| 00:13.05 | ViciousM | Can someone report this for me? |
| 00:13.29 | Dessy2 | report what? |
| 00:13.34 | ViciousM | [BoOm]: 6 ; whatever.: 3 |
| 00:13.38 | ViciousM | that ;) |
| 00:14.20 | Dessy2 | +- 32 |
| 00:14.50 | ViciousM | ..eh? |
| 00:20.05 | gubot | New news from gumatches: Mar 28 00:13 => [BoOm]:6, whatever.:3 |
| 00:21.02 | Dessy2 | why eh? |
| 00:25.32 | ViciousM | +-32? |
| 00:25.52 | Winny | ..yeah? |
| 00:25.54 | Dessy2 | [BoOm] 1014 1046 |
| 00:25.54 | Dessy2 | whatever. 1119 1087 |
| 00:26.10 | Dessy2 | 1 score is old score |
| 00:26.22 | Dessy2 | if i calcualte is taht 32 :P |
| 00:30.03 | ViciousM | ah, I see |
| 01:00.19 | gubot | New news from gumatches: Mar 28 00:50 => Inexorable Crazy Fiends:8, [phagozytose]:2 |
| 01:28.13 | gubot | New news from gumatches: Mar 28 01:27 => [phagozytose]:9, Inexorable Crazy Fiends:4 |
| 02:06.17 | gubot | New news from gumatches: Mar 28 02:04 => Inexorable Crazy Fiends:7, [phagozytose]:4 |
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| 02:46.03 | gubot | New news from gumatches: Mar 28 02:39 => Inexorable Crazy Fiends:3, [phagozytose]:0 |
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| 03:44.28 | gubot | New news from gumatches: Mar 28 03:44 => Inexorable Crazy Fiends:7, Major League Gaming:4 |
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| 11:59.39 | whodaman | ello |
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| 12:51.14 | whodaman | Dessy2, ping |
| 12:51.38 | Dessy2 | whioda? |
| 12:51.40 | Dessy2 | whoda? |
| 12:52.07 | whodaman | PM |
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| 14:54.28 | gubot | New news from gumatches: Mar 28 14:47 => Devillainators:5, whatever.:4 |
| 15:23.43 | gubot | New news from gumatches: Mar 28 13:30 => Enough Is Enough!:7, Devillainators:5 |
| 15:49.13 | whodaman | Dessy, ping nochmal :P |
| 19:01.54 | whodaman | So if people would like to share their opinion: http://www.gamesunited.de/ib/index.php?act=ST&f=18&t=13952 |
| 19:02.20 | KyleVE | wonder if the school board's blocked that |
| 19:02.33 | KyleVE | yay, nope |
| 19:04.00 | whodaman | hehe |
| 19:04.48 | KyleVE | Good luck findnig a server ibn\\n Ausatrailia |
| 19:04.59 | KyleVE | the cheapest dedi there is like 150$ |
| 19:05.27 | KyleVE | god this KB sucks |
| 19:05.30 | KyleVE | it's tiny |
| 19:06.18 | whodaman | KyleVE, you realize that there are already servers up, dedicated in australia |
| 19:06.27 | whodaman | a new one went up 2 days ago |
| 19:07.09 | whodaman | I'm trying ti arouse some awareness |
| 19:07.27 | KyleVE | the problem is also lag would be reversed |
| 19:07.31 | KyleVE | we'd all have 250 |
| 19:07.39 | KyleVE | and the one austrialian person would be lower |
| 19:08.30 | whodaman | duh |
| 19:08.42 | whodaman | But there's gotta be a place where they have something lower than 100ms |
| 19:09.01 | whodaman | I'd never play the league if my lag was constantly in the range of 200-400 |
| 19:09.27 | KyleVE | But there are what? 3 players from there? |
| 19:09.29 | ts | whodaman: Guess why there are not many australian players |
| 19:09.40 | whodaman | Precisely ts |
| 19:09.48 | whodaman | KyleVE, THAT'S out point |
| 19:09.52 | ts | Even the americans have big problems |
| 19:09.59 | whodaman | Who plays a game when you can't even shoot somebody? |
| 19:10.04 | ts | All servers at west coast... |
| 19:10.05 | KyleVE | The main reason peolpe don't join leagues also, is the fact that they think they'll be crushed instantly |
| 19:10.23 | ts | they are all gone. now only east coast is left |
| 19:10.41 | KyleVE | I think it would arouse more interest if we had a "trainer" league or something |
| 19:10.43 | whodaman | not true |
| 19:10.59 | whodaman | KyleVE, I play even though I get crushed or got crushed |
| 19:11.07 | KyleVE | Sure, you're one person |
| 19:11.12 | whodaman | No... |
| 19:11.25 | KyleVE | Most people I talk to about joining go "its for pros" |
| 19:11.34 | KyleVE | and they don't even consider it |
| 19:11.43 | whodaman | there are plenty of people who manage to have fun even though they get ownd by the good guys |
| 19:11.55 | whodaman | KyleVE, so you've asked already BZ playing people? |
| 19:12.03 | KyleVE | indeed |
| 19:12.33 | whodaman | Then they've gotten the wrong impression |
| 19:12.47 | whodaman | There are so many kind players in the league ready to help out new guys |
| 19:13.10 | KyleVE | but they don't KNOW that |
| 19:13.15 | whodaman | tell them. |
| 19:13.40 | KyleVE | I've asked on MW many times "does anyone here want to play in GU?" and I get "NO!" |
| 19:14.00 | KyleVE | "too advanced", "its too competetive" |
| 19:14.51 | whodaman | Those people aren't afraid of that, they're more or less too lazy to get into it |
| 19:15.29 | KyleVE | You see, that is the magority of BZ players today |
| 19:15.40 | KyleVE | have you ever spent time on a public server (not GU-related)? |
| 19:15.49 | whodaman | sure... |
| 19:16.08 | whodaman | And no, that's not really the majority |
| 19:16.09 | KyleVE | 80% of the players we have now are 13 year olds that think they're l33t |
| 19:16.49 | whodaman | Well, when people DO get introduced, we need to get them into the right mentality |
| 19:17.25 | whodaman | I mean, somebody starts BZ for the first time, they go to "Find Servers" and if the first thing they find there is an awesome hix (gu-related) public server with tons of good and bad people on there |
| 19:17.37 | whodaman | They wont realize that they're already playing with the best |
| 19:17.52 | KyleVE | heh |
| 19:18.04 | whodaman | But new guys don't even have the option of experiencing that at the moment |
| 19:23.06 | whodaman | Get people in early, they wont get out ;) |
| 19:24.14 | whodaman | If teams didn't they had to crush the bad ones 10:0, those guys wouldn't think it's so incredibly hard |
| 19:25.55 | ViciousM | whoda: most people who play bzflag aren't really serious about playing it competitively |
| 19:26.12 | whodaman | That's why league exist. |
| 19:26.34 | whodaman | Classmates of mine said they'd think it would suck if you couldn't be in a team and get points etc |
| 19:26.47 | whodaman | for some it's the only way the whole game makes sense |
| 19:27.14 | ViciousM | When I started, I didn't care about joining a league. I wanted to play own time, for however long I wanted to, without it being rated/scored upon |
| 19:28.17 | whodaman | friends of mine were bored to death while watching be play on MoFo, when I then played a match they couldn't get enough of it |
| 19:28.47 | ViciousM | well, okay. But how many people is that? 5? 10? |
| 19:28.59 | whodaman | Not even. |
| 19:29.05 | whodaman | But how many play in the leagues? |
| 19:29.17 | whodaman | Isn't it a lot if you suddenly had 3 new active people? |
| 19:29.38 | ViciousM | Registered, maybe 100-200. But again, I wouldn't say most people are serious about it. |
| 19:29.58 | ViciousM | 50-75 people worldwide play the GU league regularly, I would say |
| 19:30.04 | whodaman | Exactly |
| 19:30.12 | whodaman | 5 is a lot in that scale. |
| 19:30.35 | whodaman | We need something like the old [pino] - a lot of encouraged beginners that get better _together) |
| 19:30.37 | ViciousM | which compared to the thousands of unregistered people who just go to misslewar and whatnot is nothing |
| 19:31.09 | ViciousM | Trouble is, teams like that are hard to keep together |
| 19:31.22 | whodaman | Indeed, some progress faster than others |
| 19:31.37 | ViciousM | some players find another game they like better, you'll never see them again |
| 19:32.14 | whodaman | True true, but after you've gone through that process maybe 2-3 times with a team of 5 people, you have ~15 active and ambitious players |
| 19:32.59 | ViciousM | possibly, but look at pino; they've transformed into a team that wants to win, not a team that wants to help newer players, imo |
| 19:33.12 | whodaman | ViciousM, I said OLD pino |
| 19:33.18 | whodaman | New pino is something....different |
| 19:33.23 | ViciousM | oh-sorry |
| 19:33.25 | ViciousM | didn't read that |
| 19:33.37 | whodaman | I mean, benji 13 and Gorak are great players these days |
| 19:33.45 | whodaman | they were the biggest noobs back then |
| 19:33.55 | whodaman | but everyone in that team was at the same level |
| 19:34.56 | ViciousM | There've been tons of teams created in the last year or so, but how many have lasted until now? Not many, because most of their players aren't serious |
| 19:35.38 | ViciousM | I can't find any, actually |
| 19:35.46 | whodaman | Teams change |
| 19:35.48 | whodaman | Players saty |
| 19:35.50 | whodaman | *stay |
| 19:35.56 | whodaman | :) |
| 19:36.05 | whodaman | Which means, new players... |
| 19:36.18 | whodaman | a team like old pino wont last longer than ~9 months |
| 19:36.32 | whodaman | They'll get good, if they're serious about it then other teams will invite them |
| 19:36.48 | ViciousM | Well, there's another thing, teams are created and deleted nearly every week. It could get confusing for someone just starting out |
| 19:37.16 | whodaman | I thought about bringing that into the post |
| 19:37.25 | whodaman | It doesn't exactly mirror stability... |
| 19:37.30 | ViciousM | someone's on one team today, tomorrow, different callsign, different team |
| 19:37.42 | whodaman | That's gotta stop |
| 19:38.27 | ViciousM | then you get the highly competitive people who only care about winning |
| 19:38.45 | ViciousM | that doesn't help the newer players either |
| 19:39.08 | whodaman | True fact, good teams need to stop wanting to crush the new guys |
| 19:39.22 | whodaman | It wont lead anywhere really |
| 19:39.32 | whodaman | Good teams can _make_ it close |
| 19:39.52 | ViciousM | but then again, people don't like doing that |
| 19:40.03 | ViciousM | gets boring if you know what I mean |
| 19:40.13 | whodaman | Not really |
| 19:40.22 | whodaman | when we match bad teams we try and make it 4:3 |
| 19:40.33 | ViciousM | Well, for some people, they just try and murder them every time |
| 19:40.49 | whodaman | This is what I mean, everyone is responsible for new blood |
| 19:40.50 | ViciousM | we lost 18-0 once |
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| 19:41.05 | whodaman | links lost 24-0 |
| 19:41.09 | benji_13 | hi |
| 19:41.11 | whodaman | yo |
| 19:41.15 | whodaman | we're discussing the post |
| 19:41.23 | ViciousM | But there we go, do we really want new players? |
| 19:41.24 | ViciousM | hey |
| 19:41.30 | whodaman | ViciousM, well, one server would bring some stability I think |
| 19:41.41 | whodaman | Of course we want them, how will the league survive? |
| 19:41.45 | benji_13 | ViciousM, you didnt get our point. |
| 19:41.52 | benji_13 | We even made an example. |
| 19:41.54 | whodaman | You always think people like orbit will be around? |
| 19:42.00 | benji_13 | Remember soccer?` |
| 19:42.01 | whodaman | He's already busy with life |
| 19:42.11 | KyleVE | People will join if they want to |
| 19:42.12 | whodaman | orbit leaves, another needs to enter |
| 19:42.19 | KyleVE | you can't convnice them to do anything |
| 19:42.25 | whodaman | Right attitude |
| 19:42.25 | ViciousM | One server wouldn't work. We need two or three, at minimum. |
| 19:42.41 | whodaman | ViciousM, were you around during bzflag0.gamesunited.de days? |
| 19:42.46 | benji_13 | ViciousM: In past it worked too. |
| 19:42.49 | whodaman | One server - one gathering point |
| 19:42.53 | whodaman | People know where to go |
| 19:43.00 | whodaman | Why would we need so many? |
| 19:43.11 | benji_13 | ViciousM: It seems like you don't know how cool it was at this server |
| 19:43.21 | whodaman | KyleVE, and your wrong, you can convice people to give it a couple of shots |
| 19:43.28 | ViciousM | I was, but people in America get bad lag to there, like me |
| 19:43.32 | KyleVE | No, I'mt not wrong. |
| 19:43.34 | benji_13 | KyleVE: sure, but we can give to opportunity |
| 19:43.37 | ViciousM | then what? we just leave? |
| 19:44.07 | whodaman | KyleVE, you are :) You can convicnce people. |
| 19:44.08 | ViciousM | Or we keep playing, then get cussed at because we cheating because we're using our lag to an advantage? That doesn't help new players to the game. |
| 19:44.20 | whodaman | ViciousM, why is it that people only play on bzf:54 and 55? |
| 19:44.22 | KyleVE | whodaman: people will belive and do what they want |
| 19:44.30 | whodaman | They wont |
| 19:44.34 | ViciousM | only? |
| 19:44.34 | whodaman | You can influence |
| 19:44.40 | KyleVE | You can TELL them thing, but making them believe itis another thing |
| 19:44.54 | benji_13 | making them believe what? |
| 19:45.02 | whodaman | Trust me, if every person would make their own decisions we'd be a lot better off |
| 19:45.17 | whodaman | And what does believing have to do with this topic? |
| 19:45.26 | KyleVE | he |
| 19:45.28 | KyleVE | h |
| 19:45.36 | whodaman | That's not the answer |
| 19:46.17 | gubot | New news from gumatches: Mar 28 19:45 => Enough Is Enough!:6, [ForestForce]:3 |
| 19:46.23 | benji_13 | Its proven now that these servers we have now are not being as cool as this only server was |
| 19:46.31 | KyleVE | You need to make them believe it is worth it to join the league. |
| 19:46.37 | KyleVE | Most people do not believe it is worth it. |
| 19:46.45 | KyleVE | You will usually not be able to change this opinion. |
| 19:46.47 | ViciousM | People who play bzflag have very short attention spans, most of them. Most people don't want to sit down for 30+ minutes to play a game that doesn't even mean anything. |
| 19:46.52 | whodaman | KyleVE, How wrong |
| 19:46.55 | whodaman | That's the whole point! |
| 19:46.56 | benji_13 | KyleVE: Do you remember my former team [pinozytose]? |
| 19:47.12 | KyleVE | benji_13: special situation |
| 19:47.13 | whodaman | ViciousM, lol, now your insulting players? |
| 19:47.16 | whodaman | It's not |
| 19:47.21 | benji_13 | KyleVE: I was searching members, I found them on bzflag0. |
| 19:47.21 | whodaman | it was HOW it was supposed to be |
| 19:47.24 | KyleVE | ViciousM: exactly |
| 19:47.26 | ViciousM | Insulting? No, I'm stating the facts. |
| 19:47.35 | benji_13 | KyleVE they weren't even registered on bzbb |
| 19:47.51 | whodaman | No? |
| 19:48.04 | whodaman | How do good people come around then? |
| 19:48.13 | whodaman | KyleVE, so many people just join the first server in the list and play |
| 19:48.18 | whodaman | they don't care what, where and how |
| 19:48.22 | whodaman | they just join the fist one there |
| 19:48.25 | ViciousM | Exactly. |
| 19:48.26 | KyleVE | You're proving my point |
| 19:48.28 | KyleVE | and ViciousM |
| 19:48.30 | KyleVE | 's |
| 19:48.38 | whodaman | Yeah, get ONE public server up and running |
| 19:48.42 | ViciousM | they don't care about the match, they don't care about the team score. |
| 19:48.43 | whodaman | and people will join THERE |
| 19:48.44 | KyleVE | Peolpe do not WANT to join a league, they do not WANT a commitment |
| 19:48.57 | whodaman | If people enjoy public |
| 19:48.58 | KyleVE | they want to join a server, play for 10 min, and league |
| 19:49.00 | whodaman | they might want more |
| 19:49.01 | ViciousM | They want to play a game, where they can do what they want, WHEN they want to. |
| 19:49.04 | whodaman | You need to influence them |
| 19:49.15 | ViciousM | Easier said than done. |
| 19:49.15 | whodaman | let them INTO the community |
| 19:49.22 | whodaman | Which is again our point |
| 19:49.42 | ViciousM | Try to convince some 15 year old to play on this server because I said so? |
| 19:49.48 | KyleVE | You want to start a GU crusade, go right ahead? |
| 19:49.55 | KyleVE | It's going to be a wasted effort |
| 19:49.56 | benji_13 | KyleVE: bzflag0 showed something else. People were playing there for far more than 10mins. |
| 19:49.56 | whodaman | a GU crusade? |
| 19:50.07 | whodaman | ViciousM, we wont have to |
| 19:50.15 | whodaman | We need to convince people to join |
| 19:50.16 | KyleVE | let people go with the floqw |
| 19:50.17 | ViciousM | and why is that whoda? |
| 19:50.20 | KyleVE | flow* |
| 19:50.36 | KyleVE | if they want to join, they can join |
| 19:50.40 | ViciousM | So telling people how to join the GU league is going to cause the league to become more popular? |
| 19:50.50 | whodaman | telling them how? |
| 19:50.54 | whodaman | Were trying to make it easy |
| 19:51.01 | KyleVE | you seem to be forgetting most players now are kids, with a really short attention span, and frankly not the kind of person I want in a league] |
| 19:51.03 | ViciousM | ..what? |
| 19:51.21 | whodaman | KyleVE, you want in the league |
| 19:51.26 | whodaman | How is this about you? |
| 19:51.30 | whodaman | People can learn |
| 19:51.36 | whodaman | Look at yourself on the forums when You were 13 |
| 19:51.41 | KyleVE | I never said it was about me |
| 19:51.47 | KyleVE | You're drawing cnoslusions again |
| 19:51.50 | ViciousM | whodaman: gues how old I am. |
| 19:51.52 | benji_13 | KyleVE, ViciousM: you don't understand our suggestion. thats senseless to discuss. |
| 19:51.54 | whodaman | ViciousM, 14 |
| 19:51.58 | ViciousM | whodaman: 13. |
| 19:52.05 | whodaman | ok, and? |
| 19:52.22 | whodaman | KyleVE, No, you said "not the kind of person I want in a league" |
| 19:52.26 | whodaman | They can mature |
| 19:52.30 | whodaman | they WILL mature |
| 19:52.32 | KyleVE | haha |
| 19:52.36 | ViciousM | not all people WILL mature |
| 19:52.40 | KyleVE | yeah |
| 19:52.45 | ViciousM | only some |
| 19:52.48 | whodaman | Majority |
| 19:52.55 | KyleVE | not really |
| 19:53.07 | benji_13 | post you statement on forum please |
| 19:53.07 | ViciousM | they'll change all right, maybe in 5 years or so |
| 19:53.18 | KyleVE | bbl, band |
| 19:53.23 | whodaman | oh no |
| 19:53.26 | benji_13 | btw: |
| 19:53.27 | ViciousM | but will the league be here in 5 years? |
| 19:53.28 | whodaman | We need to be open minded, that's all |
| 19:53.36 | whodaman | ViciousM, if we don't get more guys to join, no |
| 19:53.44 | whodaman | BZFlag has been going for 10+ years |
| 19:53.45 | benji_13 | ViciousM: the league will be dead in 5 years if there wont be new players. |
| 19:54.00 | ViciousM | Yes. Trouble is, there are no more players. |
| 19:54.07 | whodaman | False |
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| 19:54.13 | benji_13 | sigh. |
| 19:54.23 | whodaman | Look at suchti, Stolly, SpecialK, Kingnic |
| 19:54.28 | benji_13 | whoda, es ist sinnlos. sie haben kein plan von der genialität |
| 19:54.28 | whodaman | all new people. |
| 19:54.37 | ViciousM | that's 3 in what? 3 months? |
| 19:54.45 | Mike__ | yes |
| 19:54.45 | ViciousM | I've never seen them on any server, ever. |
| 19:54.48 | whodaman | ViciousM, Do you understand how this works? |
| 19:55.03 | ViciousM | ? |
| 19:55.06 | whodaman | They need to get into this |
| 19:55.13 | whodaman | People don't go "kk I join kthxbai" |
| 19:55.15 | whodaman | It takes time |
| 19:55.22 | ViciousM | This conversation is going in circles... |
| 19:55.28 | whodaman | this is about getting people in a consistent rate |
| 19:55.34 | ViciousM | People don't WANT to get into this |
| 19:55.38 | ViciousM | generally |
| 19:55.47 | benji_13 | wanna let me talk a bit? |
| 19:55.54 | ViciousM | I know I didn't, when I started out |
| 19:55.58 | benji_13 | without stating a comment? |
| 19:56.00 | whodaman | And why exactly is that? Aren't we doing something wrong? |
| 19:56.07 | whodaman | ViciousM, but you ARE now |
| 19:56.09 | whodaman | How so? |
| 19:56.11 | ViciousM | No, I just wasn't interested |
| 19:56.13 | whodaman | You got into it |
| 19:56.22 | whodaman | see? |
| 19:56.23 | ViciousM | FYI, I stopped playing for about 3 years |
| 19:56.29 | ViciousM | didn't join right away |
| 19:56.38 | whodaman | You don't get it |
| 19:56.40 | benji_13 | may I get some attention? |
| 19:56.42 | ViciousM | joined because people I knew were on there |
| 19:56.43 | whodaman | it took me 2 years to join |
| 19:56.52 | whodaman | Exactly our point |
| 19:56.59 | whodaman | they will want to join if we make it interesting |
| 19:57.09 | benji_13 | ViciousM, you said the people DONT want to join a league. |
| 19:57.10 | ViciousM | And how are you going to do that? |
| 19:57.26 | benji_13 | right? |
| 19:57.33 | ViciousM | I said, most people don't want to. Correct. |
| 19:57.59 | ViciousM | It's too much of a hassle |
| 19:58.01 | benji_13 | When there was bzflag0 there were a lot of ppl who played on it. league players and other players. |
| 19:58.13 | benji_13 | Every day. |
| 19:58.16 | ViciousM | Okay, but I think it's too late now. |
| 19:58.36 | ViciousM | Little late on the draw, mofo, badger's, and bzflagr are too popular |
| 19:58.42 | benji_13 | There was for example "zzz". He played a lot and was quite good. |
| 19:58.50 | whodaman | They were popular back then too, ViciousM |
| 19:58.54 | benji_13 | I asked him to join my team, he didnt know what Im talking about |
| 19:59.16 | ViciousM | I'm saying that it's a losing battle |
| 19:59.28 | whodaman | It's not |
| 19:59.30 | whodaman | You didn't want to |
| 19:59.31 | whodaman | but joined |
| 19:59.33 | whodaman | I didn't want to |
| 19:59.45 | ViciousM | No matter how hard you try, you can't make people join. They'll join if they want to |
| 19:59.45 | whodaman | Winny had to go "join the GU League :)" about 10 times |
| 19:59.48 | QuantumT1m | I remember the days of bzflag0 |
| 19:59.53 | QuantumT1m | that's how I got into gu |
| 19:59.56 | whodaman | thanks QuantumT1m |
| 19:59.57 | *** mode/##guleague [+v QuantumTim] by ChanServ |
| 19:59.58 | benji_13 | SEE |
| 20:00.02 | whodaman | Exactly that's the mentality |
| 20:00.09 | whodaman | not "WE CANT GET THIS TO HAPPEN TO WAY" |
| 20:00.11 | benji_13 | you dont know what we experienced! |
| 20:00.14 | benji_13 | on that server |
| 20:00.14 | ViciousM | You tell me to jump off a cliff, I won't do it unless I want to. |
| 20:00.26 | benji_13 | you dont know what we are talking about, and thats why you dont give it a chance. |
| 20:00.28 | ViciousM | and if I don't want to, I'm not going to do it. |
| 20:00.28 | QuantumTim | I used to play hepcat, pillbox (same server on rotation iirc) and gu |
| 20:00.32 | whodaman | death is NOT joiing the gu league |
| 20:00.45 | whodaman | sighs |
| 20:00.48 | benji_13 | ViciousM: the point is not to get you into the league, dont take it wrong. |
| 20:00.48 | whodaman | ViciousM, but you did |
| 20:00.51 | QuantumTim | and registered so I could play in a fm one time |
| 20:00.52 | whodaman | and why did you? |
| 20:00.56 | ViciousM | I did because I wanted to. |
| 20:01.02 | whodaman | See? |
| 20:01.02 | ViciousM | Is it really that hard? |
| 20:01.02 | *** join/##guleague Mike_____ (n=chatzill@c-98-194-159-246.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 20:01.05 | whodaman | and something got you? |
| 20:01.06 | ViciousM | See what? |
| 20:01.16 | whodaman | It's not hard |
| 20:01.20 | whodaman | You're proving othing |
| 20:01.22 | whodaman | Nothing* |
| 20:01.35 | whodaman | except that your just as easy to convince as any other person |
| 20:01.37 | ViciousM | When I registered, I thought that gu.bzleague.com was the official registration site |
| 20:01.41 | QuantumTim | ViciousM: I didn't set out join a league |
| 20:01.44 | ViciousM | I registered there |
| 20:01.46 | ViciousM | first |
| 20:01.51 | whodaman | ok, and? |
| 20:01.52 | ViciousM | before I went to my.bzflag.org/bb |
| 20:01.56 | QuantumTim | I got to know the players on bzflag0, and then decided to give it a go |
| 20:02.05 | whodaman | See ViciousM? |
| 20:02.07 | ViciousM | No one convinced me, I did it by myself |
| 20:02.10 | ViciousM | See what? |
| 20:02.14 | benji_13 | QT, do you like our suggestion? on forum? |
| 20:02.15 | ViciousM | What do you mean, see? |
| 20:02.15 | QuantumTim | joined up with Fusion, who were a new team at the time, and starting matching |
| 20:02.15 | whodaman | ugh |
| 20:02.21 | QuantumTim | hmm, link? |
| 20:02.25 | whodaman | forum post |
| 20:02.30 | benji_13 | http://www.gamesunited.de/ib/index.php?s=fadc924f0f5384e20865c726e7160a7d&showtopic=13952 |
| 20:02.34 | whodaman | ViciousM, He joined the one and ONLY public server |
| 20:02.36 | whodaman | and guess what |
| 20:02.40 | QuantumTim | ty |
| 20:02.41 | whodaman | OH! He liked it???????!?!?!?! |
| 20:02.46 | whodaman | And joined? |
| 20:02.53 | whodaman | What if we make OTHERS like QuantumTim like it? |
| 20:03.05 | whodaman | It's your and our responsibility it can happen. |
| 20:03.20 | QuantumTim | these days it's very rare that a public server is near the top of the list |
| 20:03.29 | QuantumTim | everyone is either offi'ing or watching |
| 20:03.30 | whodaman | Because we have around 15 |
| 20:03.33 | ViciousM | So you're going to walk up to quol, and Winny, and tell them, "You know what, we think your servers are destroying the league. Could you take them down?" |
| 20:03.33 | QuantumTim | or sometimes a fm |
| 20:03.38 | whodaman | and everyone is spread out |
| 20:03.48 | benji_13 | QuantumTim: right, see our forumpost |
| 20:03.48 | ViciousM | what do you mean, others? |
| 20:03.56 | whodaman | ViciousM, no, we're trying to get something better going |
| 20:04.05 | ViciousM | better? |
| 20:04.20 | whodaman | Have you read the full forum post? |
| 20:04.26 | whodaman | Better as in, fresh blood |
| 20:04.43 | ViciousM | Trust me, what percent of bzflag players are going to go out and practice dodging, shooting and jumping daily so they can get better in a virtual game? |
| 20:04.53 | ViciousM | I have read it in its entirety. |
| 20:05.00 | QuantumTim | ViciousM: you don't need to shut them down, maybe have different ones running at different times of day |
| 20:05.03 | whodaman | You're missing the point |
| 20:05.08 | whodaman | We're not forcing anyone to join |
| 20:05.21 | ViciousM | It sure sounds like you want to. |
| 20:05.28 | QuantumTim | or even, I don't know how feasible this is, have one name that points to a different actual server at different times of day |
| 20:05.37 | whodaman | Were trying to create the awesomeness of bzflag0 |
| 20:05.41 | whodaman | unregged noobs |
| 20:05.46 | whodaman | playing with great people |
| 20:05.50 | whodaman | Everyone just having fun |
| 20:05.56 | whodaman | ViciousM, you've not read the post |
| 20:06.03 | whodaman | actually |
| 20:06.06 | benji_13 | ViciousM, you said you stopped playing gu? |
| 20:06.08 | whodaman | not understood it |
| 20:06.10 | ViciousM | whodaman: I have. Twice. |
| 20:06.29 | whodaman | QuantumTim, simplicity is key |
| 20:06.40 | ViciousM | Unregistered people are already going other places. |
| 20:06.41 | whodaman | why was bzflag0 so successful? |
| 20:06.50 | whodaman | But we can stop them |
| 20:06.53 | whodaman | from going other places |
| 20:07.02 | whodaman | By making our place the place to be ;) |
| 20:07.09 | whodaman | It's in our hands |
| 20:07.12 | ViciousM | Easier said than done, again. |
| 20:07.13 | whodaman | ViciousM, it'll work, trust me |
| 20:07.13 | QuantumTim | whodaman: yes, so if we can get bzflag0.gamesunited.de to point to, say bzf in our afternoon / evening, then have it go to quols later on |
| 20:07.17 | benji_13 | ViciousM, you said you stopped playing gu? |
| 20:07.22 | ViciousM | No, I don't believe it will. |
| 20:07.27 | ViciousM | benji_13: huh? |
| 20:07.31 | whodaman | ViciousM, what do we have to lose? |
| 20:07.37 | QuantumTim | that way, people see a constant name, but later on that lag might be better for US people |
| 20:07.39 | benji_13 | didnt you?` |
| 20:07.40 | whodaman | QuantumTim, That wont work as domains can't just switch |
| 20:08.03 | QuantumTim | whodaman: I know, but maybe if there's a way to add support in the game for forwarding of some kind |
| 20:08.04 | whodaman | I don't think they can switch the DNS settings every couple of hours |
| 20:08.04 | benji_13 | QuantumTim: but nice idea |
| 20:08.05 | ViciousM | whodaman: Hours of my life sitting on a server so that there will be a chance some noobs will join the GU league? |
| 20:08.17 | whodaman | ViciousM, hours? |
| 20:08.20 | whodaman | You don't get it |
| 20:08.25 | whodaman | good idea, though QuantumTim |
| 20:08.28 | benji_13 | ViciousM YOU DONT GET WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT |
| 20:08.29 | whodaman | that's what we're looking for |
| 20:08.34 | whodaman | ViciousM, You join |
| 20:08.36 | whodaman | 10+ others go |
| 20:08.39 | ViciousM | How are you going to get a server "The Place to Be" if no one is there? |
| 20:08.39 | whodaman | You leave |
| 20:08.45 | whodaman | and the other ones continue |
| 20:08.50 | whodaman | good go |
| 20:08.51 | whodaman | *god |
| 20:08.55 | benji_13 | ViciousM: read the post again |
| 20:09.02 | ViciousM | I don't need to. |
| 20:09.03 | benji_13 | they join automatically! |
| 20:09.04 | ViciousM | I understand it. |
| 20:09.10 | benji_13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.11 | whodaman | You just contribute 10 mins of your time |
| 20:09.11 | QuantumTim | if we had one main server, and people connect to it, but there was a way for it to tell people's bz clients to connect somewhere else |
| 20:09.20 | QuantumTim | sort of like and HTTP 303 |
| 20:09.22 | QuantumTim | *an |
| 20:09.27 | whodaman | ViciousM, no offense, but read it again, you're not making sense |
| 20:09.31 | ViciousM | I don't want to. Why should I waste ten minutes of my life? |
| 20:09.32 | benji_13 | "Just recently benji and I joined links-clan 5154 and within minutes the server had 10+ players, using superflags and capturing the team flags. Moreover a lot of these people playing were players we'd never seen before." |
| 20:09.54 | whodaman | ViciousM, then you shouldn't participate in this conversation any longer |
| 20:10.02 | whodaman | "don't want to waste time" |
| 20:10.09 | whodaman | Then leave, we're not forcing you :0 |
| 20:10.11 | whodaman | :) |
| 20:10.14 | whodaman | as stated before |
| 20:10.15 | ViciousM | Alright. Forget it. You guys start up your little server and see what happens. You do know how hard it is to start a server to get popular? |
| 20:10.16 | whodaman | not forcingg |
| 20:10.26 | whodaman | It's not |
| 20:10.33 | ViciousM | It is. |
| 20:10.35 | benji_13 | ViciousM: give us two-three weeks. |
| 20:10.36 | whodaman | We have the best map ever done in BZFLag |
| 20:10.44 | ViciousM | But people don't know that. |
| 20:10.54 | ViciousM | Frankly, players like flags |
| 20:10.54 | benji_13 | They will experience :) |
| 20:10.55 | whodaman | QuantumTim, do you understand and partly agree with us in a couple of things in the post? |
| 20:11.02 | whodaman | Yeah |
| 20:11.04 | whodaman | SUPERFLAGS |
| 20:11.06 | ViciousM | they like guided missles and lasers and whatnot, they look cool |
| 20:11.09 | whodaman | You did NOT READ THE POST |
| 20:11.17 | whodaman | la la la la |
| 20:11.19 | ViciousM | omfg this is too annoying |
| 20:11.23 | benji_13 | right. |
| 20:11.25 | ViciousM | god |
| 20:11.29 | benji_13 | ViciousM: |
| 20:11.36 | ViciousM | cya-this is enough |
| 20:11.47 | whodaman | Ask me again how old you are |
| 20:11.49 | QuantumTim | whodaman: definitely |
| 20:11.55 | whodaman | It wasn't too hard to guess after this conversation |
| 20:12.07 | benji_13 | QuantumTim: you like the idea? |
| 20:12.10 | whodaman | QuantumTim, nice. |
| 20:12.17 | QuantumTim | benji_13: yes |
| 20:12.20 | ViciousM | So you've gone down to insulting me? That's good. That'll bring players to the league. |
| 20:12.33 | QuantumTim | also, having V and A etc is quite nice |
| 20:12.37 | whodaman | ViciousM, no, but you should just try and be a little more open minded |
| 20:12.39 | ViciousM | I'm sure you're not much older |
| 20:12.46 | QuantumTim | because it means worse players can be a challenge for good players |
| 20:12.54 | whodaman | QuantumTim, yep |
| 20:12.55 | benji_13 | QuantumTim: write an answer to our post! |
| 20:12.56 | QuantumTim | when I started getting good, I used to go on and avoid the flags |
| 20:13.05 | QuantumTim | so noobs were still tought to kill |
| 20:13.06 | benji_13 | right! |
| 20:13.10 | whodaman | yay |
| 20:13.11 | ViciousM | I'm being as open minded as I can about something that is going to be near impossible to do |
| 20:13.25 | whodaman | why did bzflag0 work? |
| 20:13.25 | QuantumTim | they scoot around with V, and I have to work harder to get a good score |
| 20:13.26 | benji_13 | ViciousM: Just give it a try, ok? |
| 20:13.36 | whodaman | that's what we ask? |
| 20:13.42 | whodaman | Give us a chance |
| 20:14.07 | whodaman | QuantumTim, the more good players agree with this, the better are chances will be |
| 20:15.15 | benji_13 | QuantumTim: yes, right it down if you agree to what we said! |
| 20:15.29 | QuantumTim | yes I will write it down :p |
| 20:15.34 | QuantumTim | I'm replying now |
| 20:15.50 | benji_13 | nice, thanks. |
| 20:17.46 | whodaman | benji_13, reload |
| 20:17.48 | whodaman | I added |
| 20:27.19 | QuantumTim | whodaman: benji_13: posted =) |
| 20:27.23 | whodaman | woo |
| 20:27.23 | whodaman | nice |
| 20:27.28 | whodaman | ~QuantumTim++ |
| 20:28.13 | QuantumTim | ooh, and it's my first post, it seems |
| 20:28.25 | QuantumTim | even though I registered just over a year ago now :s |
| 20:28.54 | benji_13 | QuantumTim: gj! |
| 20:28.57 | QuantumTim | heh, I see you registered for the occasion, whodaman :p |
| 20:29.06 | whodaman | QuantumTim, indeed |
| 20:29.09 | whodaman | well |
| 20:29.14 | whodaman | the lamers FINALLY approved the account |
| 20:29.19 | whodaman | since december -.- |
| 20:34.17 | benji_13 | someone goes with me to dest:54? |
| 20:34.25 | benji_13 | Is someone going with me* |
| 20:35.12 | whodaman | Sure |
| 20:36.26 | QuantumTim | yup, see you there |
| 20:50.07 | whodaman | Dessy, ping |
| 20:50.25 | Dessy | pong, whoda |
| 20:50.32 | whodaman | komm mal 5154 Dessy |
| 20:58.34 | gubot | New news from gumatches: Mar 28 20:49 => [pinozytose]:6, Inexorable Crazy Fiends:4 |
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| 21:28.36 | gubot | New news from gumatches: Mar 28 21:24 => [pinozytose]:6, Inexorable Crazy Fiends:3 |
| 21:38.37 | gubot | New news from gumatches: Mar 28 21:34 => [phagozytose]:7, T42:4 |
| 21:38.42 | benji_13 | ViciousM, are you here? |
| 21:43.30 | *** part/##guleague benji_13 (n=benji_13@p3EE04AB0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:32.34 | AHA | Dessy, ping |
| 22:33.11 | Dessy | aha, pong |
| 22:33.35 | AHA | do you have a couple of minutes? |
| 22:38.44 | gubot | New news from gumatches: Mar 28 22:33 => [No Skill Attached]:5, T42:3 |
| 23:08.46 | gubot | New news from gumatches: Mar 28 23:02 => T42:4, The Dark Side:3 |
| 23:10.20 | whodaman | yay |
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| 23:28.20 | gubot | New news from gumatches: Mar 28 23:26 => [pinozytose]:5, BattleZoneBrothers (BZB):4 || Mar 28 22:50 => [pinozytose]:4, BattleZoneBrothers (BZB):3 |
| 23:29.09 | whodaman | :o |
| 23:29.23 | whodaman | cloose |