| 00:03.15 | whatah | how would i go about checking out the aegis code? |
| 00:03.35 | whatah | i can't see anyway to do it on the project page |
| 00:03.55 | pmazer | aegis.thegraveyard.org |
| 00:04.01 | pmazer | go to Getting Aegis |
| 00:04.07 | whatah | rodger that |
| 00:04.38 | whatah | does cairo support pseudo transparency? |
| 00:04.47 | pmazer | we're not using cairo anymore |
| 00:04.50 | whatah | oh |
| 00:04.52 | pmazer | im not sure about that |
| 00:05.22 | whatah | what are you guys using now? |
| 00:05.37 | pmazer | i think some of the screenshots ive seen have been pseudo transparent, though |
| 00:05.39 | pmazer | Fox |
| 00:05.42 | dooky | Fox |
| 00:05.49 | whatah | oooooh, nice |
| 00:05.56 | whatah | i was looking at fox a little while ago |
| 00:06.03 | pmazer | www.fox-toolkit.org |
| 00:06.07 | dooky | cairo has no documentation |
| 00:06.09 | dooky | so yeah |
| 00:06.11 | pmazer | yeah |
| 00:06.13 | dooky | pmazer: do you do much work on aegis? |
| 00:06.32 | pmazer | dooky: i think ive commited 1 line to fix compile? lol |
| 00:06.40 | dooky | lmao |
| 00:06.42 | dooky | just learning then? |
| 00:06.48 | pmazer | yep |
| 00:06.49 | whatah | fuck, i ripped my hand opening an 'easy open' soda bottle with a bottle cap |
| 00:06.58 | pmazer | lol, u okay? |
| 00:07.00 | whatah | i hate those glass bottles and their screw off caps |
| 00:07.07 | whatah | erm, yeah, just in pain |
| 00:07.18 | whatah | my palm has it's skin ripped off in like 3 places |
| 00:07.27 | pmazer | whatah where do they still have glass soda bottles? |
| 00:07.33 | whatah | you can always get them |
| 00:07.42 | whatah | my girl bought some when she came up at the local walmart |
| 00:07.49 | whatah | of course, i am in a hicktown |
| 00:07.58 | whatah | but, i'm sure in cities, you can get them too |
| 00:08.05 | whatah | i never had a problem finding in NYC |
| 00:08.26 | pmazer | ah, okay, i guess ive just never looked |
| 00:08.30 | whatah | yeah |
| 00:08.37 | pmazer | does it taste better in glass or something? |
| 00:08.46 | whatah | i don't know |
| 00:08.52 | whatah | but they put weird tasting ones in glass |
| 00:08.57 | whatah | i have 'orange n' cream' |
| 00:09.28 | whatah | ok, doing the svn checkout dance now |
| 00:09.59 | pmazer | dude, you can order dublin dr peppers online for $15 for 24 and that price includes shipping! |
| 00:10.04 | pmazer | kick ass :) |
| 00:10.09 | whatah | that's a pretty good price |
| 00:10.31 | pmazer | whatah u know what dublin dr peppers are? |
| 00:10.36 | whatah | negative |
| 00:10.59 | pmazer | heh |
| 00:11.14 | pmazer | the only dr pepper bottling company that still uses only pure sugar |
| 00:11.19 | pmazer | so good.... |
| 00:11.30 | whatah | diabetes type II, here comes pmazer |
| 00:12.06 | whatah | it says you are a lead dev. on aegis, but you only wrote 1 line of code? |
| 00:12.06 | whatah | nice |
| 00:12.35 | pmazer | whatah: ah, sorry dude... |
| 00:12.40 | whatah | eh? |
| 00:13.06 | pmazer | whatah: oh, nvm, lol |
| 00:14.44 | pmazer | whatah: heh, im trying to learn to code this stuff, and i always know what's going on, and i do a lot of random stuff |
| 00:16.51 | whatah | right |
| 00:16.57 | whatah | well, if you can point me somewhere to start coding |
| 00:16.59 | whatah | that would be kinky |
| 00:17.26 | pmazer | heh, i would look over the code first :) |
| 00:17.35 | whatah | it's what i am doing |
| 00:18.02 | pmazer | and probably wait for brailsmt to code a little bit of the Fox stuff since he knows how he wants it to all fit together |
| 00:18.29 | pmazer | (how much do 24 packs of can soda cost in a grocery store?) |
| 00:19.22 | whatah | um |
| 00:19.31 | whatah | i would guess like 6 - 9$ |
| 00:19.39 | whatah | but i have no clue, really |
| 00:21.13 | pmazer | aww, damn, i just found out that it's $15 including packaging... shipping is another $10.. pff |
| 00:21.50 | whatah | bwahaha |
| 00:25.50 | whatah | that's what you get for your sugar induced craze |
| 00:27.53 | pmazer | yeah |
| 00:28.24 | whatah | right, so, i am reading through this code |
| 00:28.27 | whatah | interesting style |
| 00:29.53 | whatah | ugh, my bathroom smells like a dead fetus crawled outta some girl and then puked in there |
| 00:31.33 | dooky | kickass |
| 00:31.41 | whatah | no, it's not |
| 00:31.56 | whatah | oh, and i washed my hands, it turns out cuts hurt alot more when soap gets in them |
| 00:34.35 | pmazer | yeah, but they're less likely to get infected |
| 00:42.13 | whatah | pmazer: help me for a sec? i don't see where the code goes after the run() statement in aegis.cpp |
| 00:43.21 | whatah | it calls create(), i don't see what that does, and then it calls FXApp::run() |
| 00:43.32 | whatah | which i am guessing is the Fox Widgets drawer |
| 00:48.03 | pmazer | hmm.. i haven't looked at the newest version yet.. lemme see |
| 00:50.41 | pmazer | im guessing that's just a rough draft of the FX version... |
| 00:51.08 | whatah | i see |
| 00:51.14 | whatah | i don't know where the create() bad boy is either |
| 00:52.10 | pmazer | yeah, Aegis is a subclass of FXApp whereas it should be a subclass of FXRootWindow |
| 00:52.26 | pmazer | whatah: i don't think it's there... have you tried compiling? |
| 00:52.32 | whatah | i did 'scons' |
| 00:52.35 | whatah | it worked fine |
| 00:52.46 | whatah | then i did a make |
| 00:52.46 | pmazer | hmm |
| 00:52.48 | whatah | also worked |
| 00:52.59 | pmazer | you don't have to do a make with scons |
| 00:54.38 | pmazer | im guessing create is a function in FXApp |
| 00:54.58 | pmazer | yep! |
| 00:55.39 | whatah | ah, well, it is using namespace std |
| 00:55.50 | whatah | i am not too familiar with this, but i didn't notice that |
| 00:55.51 | pmazer | create creates the actual app and run runs the event loop |
| 00:55.58 | whatah | um |
| 00:55.59 | whatah | ok |
| 00:56.11 | whatah | why's it call create() without a scope but run with? |
| 00:56.31 | pmazer | so that run doesn't run recursively |
| 00:56.34 | whatah | hmmm, taglist is pretty nice |
| 00:56.43 | whatah | the vim plugin, that is |
| 00:57.06 | whatah | fixing this up, that way it is easier to read through all this code |
| 00:57.41 | pmazer | Aegis is a subclass of FXApp so since create isn't overwritten, it doesn't need a scope |
| 01:02.27 | whatah | damn, that means i have to go looking for FXApp.cpp |
| 01:02.54 | pmazer | do you have Fox installed? |
| 01:02.58 | whatah | roger that |
| 01:03.13 | pmazer | find / -name 'FXApp.cpp' |
| 01:03.14 | pmazer | ? |
| 01:03.20 | whatah | i know where it is |
| 01:03.25 | pmazer | oh, oaku |
| 01:03.27 | pmazer | okay |
| 01:03.34 | whatah | hrm |
| 01:03.37 | whatah | i only have the .h files |
| 01:04.09 | whatah | this FXApp.h is a monster |
| 01:04.51 | pmazer | oh yeah... Fox is just a library, no .cpp files |
| 01:05.48 | whatah | yeah |
| 01:05.55 | whatah | hmmm, now i need to remember how to use those thingies in vim |
| 01:06.04 | whatah | i forget what they are called |
| 01:06.15 | whatah | they can show and hide code, sorta like a tree |
| 01:06.33 | whatah | folds! |
| 01:09.11 | mackstann | there should be implementation files |
| 01:09.21 | mackstann | that's a mighty big library to stuff completely into headers |
| 01:09.35 | mackstann | if you download the full source of fox, it should have the .cpp files |
| 01:35.42 | whatah | right |
| 01:36.02 | whatah | i don't think they stuff it into headers? they might use .o files? |
| 01:36.11 | mackstann | eh? |
| 01:36.12 | whatah | dynamically linked libraries |
| 01:36.16 | whatah | i guess? |
| 01:36.17 | mackstann | .so probably |
| 01:36.21 | whatah | sorry. so |
| 01:36.26 | mackstann | .so for dynamic, .a for static |
| 01:36.35 | whatah | right |
| 01:37.00 | mackstann | some small libraries can just all be stuffed into headers, and then you don't need to link with them |
| 01:37.24 | whatah | interesting |
| 01:38.31 | whatah | fox kinda reminds me of amiga OS |
| 01:38.33 | whatah | on it's default |
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| 03:46.41 | whatah | so, i turn in my cs project and i get an 80 cause it doesn't compile on some outdated PoS machine |
| 03:46.50 | whatah | er, rather, it segfaults |
| 03:46.52 | whatah | but it works fine for my comp. |
| 03:54.42 | pmazer | lol |
| 03:54.54 | pmazer | what machine didn't it compile on? |
| 03:55.08 | pmazer | (segfault, rather) |
| 03:55.34 | whatah | hmmm |
| 03:55.37 | whatah | a sun station |
| 03:55.47 | whatah | gcc 3.3 |
| 03:55.57 | whatah | i don't know what it is, but somehow i implemented my bucket sort kinda weirdly |
| 03:56.04 | whatah | so i had to reimplement, but i was so pissed off |
| 03:56.18 | floppyears | whatah: why don't you use gdb ? |
| 03:56.18 | whatah | especially since i spent a good long time doing this project and deserve a 100 |
| 03:56.21 | whatah | i did |
| 03:56.25 | whatah | i don't need it |
| 03:56.29 | whatah | it was a problem in the coding |
| 03:57.21 | pmazer | im out, night |
| 03:57.40 | whatah | good night |
| 03:58.04 | mackstann | do you have access to the machine? |
| 03:58.08 | whatah | yeah |
| 03:58.15 | whatah | i can't install or uninstall |
| 03:58.17 | whatah | all i can do is ssh in |
| 03:58.21 | whatah | or walk down and get physical access |
| 03:58.22 | mackstann | test test test |
| 03:58.30 | whatah | i didn't think to test on it |
| 03:58.37 | whatah | because all my other programs have worked fine on it before |
| 03:58.42 | mackstann | you will now! haha |
| 03:58.46 | whatah | yeah |
| 03:58.53 | whatah | especially after i got an 80 |
| 03:58.58 | mackstann | bill clinton is a fucking pimp |
| 03:59.03 | mackstann | i love that man |
| 03:59.22 | whatah | haha |
| 03:59.23 | whatah | yeah |
| 03:59.36 | whatah | mackstann: yeah, the more i read intp the more i felt that's what i am |
| 03:59.49 | mackstann | whatah: there are more proper tests which are like 50 questions |
| 03:59.50 | whatah | mackstann: however, i don't know if that's a good thing or not |
| 04:00.00 | mackstann | the one i gave was quick and dirty |
| 04:00.07 | mackstann | but pretty accurate |
| 04:00.22 | whatah | i like t3h quick and dirty |
| 04:00.23 | mackstann | there are four axes and you're basically one or the other |
| 04:00.35 | mackstann | but the longer test will tell you how developed you are in each of the 4 axes |
| 04:00.40 | mackstann | percentage-wise |
| 04:00.44 | whatah | kinky |
| 04:01.05 | whatah | got a link? |
| 04:01.25 | mackstann | http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=115659&cid=9796330 |
| 04:01.27 | mackstann | read that first |
| 04:01.31 | mackstann | oh man that's funny shit |
| 04:01.40 | mackstann | http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp |
| 04:02.00 | whatah | the jung typology one? |
| 04:02.30 | mackstann | eh? |
| 04:02.40 | mackstann | the /. link is funny |
| 04:03.20 | whatah | oh |
| 04:03.39 | whatah | hyriand: museek has finally made it to my repo |
| 04:08.24 | whatah | hmmm |
| 04:08.27 | whatah | that one told me i am INTP |
| 04:08.51 | mackstann | what percentages? |
| 04:09.18 | whatah | well |
| 04:09.25 | whatah | i didn't really think all the questions through and what i really do |
| 04:09.27 | whatah | so i did quick answers |
| 04:09.33 | mackstann | ah |
| 04:09.37 | whatah | introverted 67, intuitive 11, thinking 44, perceiving 78 |
| 04:09.55 | whatah | but i think there were several questions which i mis answered, cause i didn't both to take the time to think about it |
| 04:10.06 | whatah | i am wondering if i leave out answers, will that be better than answering wrongly |
| 04:12.05 | mackstann | 89 100 89 67 |
| 04:12.06 | mackstann | that's me |
| 04:12.20 | whatah | nice |
| 04:12.42 | whatah | what do the big numbers mean? |
| 04:12.58 | mackstann | how developed you are in that attribute |
| 04:13.08 | mackstann | like i am very strong with intuitive thinking, apparently |
| 04:13.11 | whatah | several of the questions i am not sure about, like i don't know that much about me |
| 04:13.13 | whatah | intuitive |
| 04:13.17 | whatah | what's that mean, again? |
| 04:13.28 | mackstann | you get hunches a lot |
| 04:13.31 | whatah | oh |
| 04:13.32 | whatah | hmm |
| 04:13.36 | whatah | i get those when coding |
| 04:13.36 | mackstann | you don't need things to be obvious |
| 04:13.42 | whatah | right |
| 04:13.43 | whatah | hmmm |
| 04:13.46 | whatah | i don't know if i do that or not |
| 04:14.00 | mackstann | "an instinctive knowing" |
| 04:14.03 | mackstann | dict says |
| 04:14.06 | whatah | right |
| 04:14.11 | whatah | i am introverted |
| 04:14.13 | whatah | apparently |
| 04:14.20 | mackstann | you don't always act the same as your type |
| 04:14.24 | whatah | heh |
| 04:14.24 | whatah | nice |
| 04:14.35 | mackstann | your type is how your brain really works, on the inside so to speak |
| 04:14.42 | mackstann | some people learn to act differently on the outside |
| 04:15.04 | mackstann | a lot of introverts learn to act like extroverts, because extroverts are idealized |
| 04:15.14 | mackstann | so introverts get the idea that they're not as good |
| 04:15.26 | mackstann | http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2003/03/rauch.htm |
| 04:15.29 | mackstann | you might want to read that |
| 04:15.31 | mackstann | it's amazing |
| 04:20.40 | whatah | reading it now |
| 04:21.42 | whatah | i like it |
| 04:21.51 | whatah | it is good, all too much i get 'are you ok?' when i am thinking |
| 04:22.33 | mackstann | extroverts seem to interpret a serious expression as a bad expression |
| 04:37.11 | dooky | I'm absolutely insane, does that mean I'm an extrovert? |
| 04:39.22 | whatah | dooky: yes |
| 04:39.43 | dooky | kickass |
| 04:39.50 | dooky | brb, restarting X bitches |
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| 07:04.33 | Tene_ | When I took a jung test, I had low enough scores in all the attributes for them to be almost meaningless |
| 07:04.46 | Tene_ | I think one of them was an eleven, and thenI got three 4s, or something like that |