| 00:10.53 | pmazer | new xorg is going stable tomorrow! |
| 00:11.43 | dooky | nope |
| 00:11.44 | dooky | lol |
| 00:12.03 | pmazer | no? |
| 00:12.08 | dooky | nope |
| 00:12.19 | pmazer | why not? |
| 00:15.10 | brailsmt | maybe they have a miracle up their sleeve |
| 00:15.34 | pmazer | miracle? |
| 00:15.40 | brailsmt | gentoo rocks |
| 00:15.41 | brailsmt | :) |
| 00:16.18 | dooky | gentoo does orck |
| 00:16.19 | dooky | ROCK! |
| 00:16.56 | pmazer | you people, so confusing |
| 00:17.02 | brailsmt | don't have the version you need of a pkg? rename an ebuild for an earlier version of the pkg and generate the digest like "ebuild <pkg> digest", and you can merge the version you need |
| 00:17.24 | dooky | poipu will be better |
| 00:17.24 | dooky | :) |
| 00:17.47 | brailsmt | like with fox |
| 00:18.53 | pmazer | when i do "ps -aux" and firefox is listed 4 times when 9.6% mem used each time, is it using 38.4% of my memory or just 9.6? |
| 00:19.49 | brailsmt | good question |
| 00:20.33 | pmazer | cause 38% of my memory would be a shit load |
| 00:21.12 | pmazer | wait.. it's listed 5 times, so that would be 48% |
| 00:21.45 | brailsmt | pmazer: add up all the memory being used... |
| 00:21.52 | pmazer | yeah |
| 00:21.52 | dooky | pmazer: no |
| 00:21.52 | brailsmt | if it is > 100% then no |
| 00:21.57 | dooky | its only using the 1 amount of memory |
| 00:22.12 | pmazer | that may explain why im using 500 MB of my 512 MB of RAM |
| 00:22.20 | brailsmt | pmazer: no |
| 00:22.29 | brailsmt | type 'free' |
| 00:22.37 | brailsmt | i bet you have a huge chunk cached |
| 00:22.49 | pmazer | Mem: 515428 466488 48940 0 31952 136780 |
| 00:22.52 | brailsmt | and cached mem is still used if it is needed |
| 00:23.03 | brailsmt | yeah, you have 136MB cached |
| 00:23.07 | pmazer | yeah |
| 00:23.10 | brailsmt | that last col |
| 00:23.19 | pmazer | what's that mean? |
| 00:23.25 | brailsmt | so it is being used, but it is available to applications if it is needed |
| 00:23.36 | brailsmt | it is caching disk i/o |
| 00:23.37 | pmazer | oh, okayu |
| 00:23.45 | brailsmt | and other commonly used slow operations |
| 00:25.13 | pmazer | oh, that might be why it goes from 300 to 500 after a day or so of use... that cache memory just builds up? |
| 00:25.15 | brailsmt | gentoo is hands down the best development platform |
| 00:25.26 | brailsmt | pmazer: yeah |
| 00:25.29 | pmazer | brailsmt, yep |
| 00:25.41 | brailsmt | it is constantly being refreshed and stuff... |
| 00:25.55 | brailsmt | i bet it is a big ole circular buffer... |
| 00:26.01 | pmazer | that makes me feel better... i thought i had a memory leak or something |
| 00:26.08 | dooky | fuck |
| 00:26.11 | brailsmt | so did I when i first saw it :) |
| 00:26.15 | dooky | i just stuck my face in the oven to smell if the ribs were done yet |
| 00:26.22 | dooky | and i got a mouthful/noseful of smoke |
| 00:26.23 | brailsmt | dooky: that was dumb |
| 00:26.23 | dooky | :( |
| 00:26.26 | brailsmt | ;) |
| 00:26.32 | dooky | lol |
| 00:26.45 | brailsmt | you could have got a steam burn |
| 00:26.50 | brailsmt | or fallen in :) |
| 00:26.56 | dooky | its only at 275, lol |
| 00:27.21 | brailsmt | nm |
| 00:27.31 | pmazer | that would still hurt like crap if you touched your face on a rack |
| 00:28.20 | brailsmt | yeah |
| 00:28.38 | Tene | dooky: yesterday I got a couple of lungulls of insecticide. |
| 00:28.40 | brailsmt | what ebuild is libxml++-1.0 in? |
| 00:28.56 | brailsmt | is a lungull a big amount? |
| 00:28.59 | brailsmt | :) |
| 00:29.06 | Tene | Yes. Yes it is. |
| 00:29.30 | Tene | also, I blame all typos on dooky. |
| 00:29.38 | brailsmt | lol |
| 00:29.44 | brailsmt | mt eoo |
| 00:29.47 | brailsmt | :D |
| 00:34.24 | pmazer | brailsmt, i think i ended up building that one without and ebuild.. was a mess |
| 00:40.55 | mastergoon | anyone here want gmail still |
| 00:41.04 | dooky | me! |
| 00:41.06 | dooky | lol |
| 00:41.26 | mastergoon | you havit lol |
| 00:43.29 | pmazer | anyone have any experience in lisp? |
| 00:48.07 | whatah | yeth |
| 00:50.24 | pmazer | would it be to my benefit to learn it? |
| 00:51.03 | whatah | a lithp ith not thomething you learn |
| 00:51.06 | whatah | heh |
| 00:51.12 | whatah | i don't know the language LISP |
| 00:51.22 | pmazer | haha |
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| 01:01.55 | brailsmt | pmazer: yes |
| 01:02.00 | brailsmt | it is to your advantage |
| 01:02.06 | brailsmt | I know scheme |
| 01:02.11 | brailsmt | which is a lot like lisp |
| 01:03.50 | brailsmt | it is odd, but worthwhile |
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| 01:19.18 | andoo | (isn't (lisp (the (language (with (thousands (of (brackets)))))))) ? |
| 01:23.21 | mastergoon | anyone here use E? |
| 01:25.03 | brailsmt | andoo: (yes)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
| 01:25.13 | brailsmt | emerge libxmlpp |
| 01:25.35 | brailsmt | if you watch it, you can see libxml relieve itself... |
| 01:25.36 | brailsmt | ;) |
| 01:26.16 | andoo | :) |
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| 01:45.23 | brailsmt | they should make portage download in a seperate thread from the compiling |
| 01:47.42 | whatah | you should patch it to do that |
| 01:47.44 | whatah | but why would you want that? |
| 01:51.50 | brailsmt | whatah: free up the network |
| 01:52.18 | whatah | ummm |
| 01:52.25 | whatah | you mean like download all the sources |
| 01:52.39 | whatah | and start compilation as soon as the first download finishes |
| 01:52.48 | whatah | so you have all your sources downloaded, even if you don't compile everything? |
| 02:07.26 | brailsmt | whatah: no, wait for the first pkg to download, then compile it, and while it is compiling continue downloading the rest of the pkgs in the background |
| 02:08.22 | brailsmt | with a semaphore it'd be trivial to add... |
| 02:08.29 | whatah | ah |
| 02:08.33 | whatah | go for it |
| 02:10.21 | brailsmt | it would make portage more robust, not to mention if you had a pkg like java that needed some user interaction for downloading, you could start a big merge, then download that pkg without killing the whole merge |
| 02:14.23 | StuLTissimus | Just do another terminal and do the command with -f |
| 02:14.28 | StuLTissimus | Fetches all the packages |
| 02:16.16 | mastergoon | and export the wget command for the one actually doing the merge to a script that waits until the file is there and then ends |
| 02:16.58 | mastergoon | FETCHCOMMAND="yourscript" emerge blah |
| 02:17.44 | squishybear | brailsmt: StuLTissimus got you |
| 02:19.50 | pmazer | squishybear, but brailsmt is talking about compiling while fetching, not just fetching first |
| 02:20.20 | squishybear | this is good point |
| 02:20.28 | squishybear | like stu said, though. |
| 02:20.33 | squishybear | start a compile |
| 02:20.36 | squishybear | and then do a -f |
| 02:20.43 | squishybear | and it should download the packages in the middle of the first compile |
| 02:20.48 | squishybear | and when it looks for them it will find them |
| 02:20.57 | squishybear | instead of redownloading |
| 02:21.06 | pmazer | true |
| 02:21.07 | dooky | brailsmt: emerge --fetchonly pkg's |
| 02:21.13 | dooky | emerge pkg's |
| 02:21.24 | squishybear | you know what's a better one? |
| 02:21.25 | pmazer | dooky, i like how you're so slow |
| 02:21.29 | squishybear | where you can do pacman -S pkgs |
| 02:21.32 | squishybear | oh wait, that's arch |
| 02:21.34 | squishybear | heh |
| 02:21.39 | dooky | pmazer: shut the fuck up |
| 02:21.41 | dooky | i just got here dumbass |
| 02:21.43 | pmazer | haha |
| 02:21.47 | squishybear | dooky: that's no excuse. |
| 02:22.37 | brailsmt | lol |
| 02:22.53 | brailsmt | dooky: that excuse only worked the first time... |
| 02:23.03 | brailsmt | not the 1234948309400th time |
| 02:23.59 | brailsmt | what is a good, simple mailer? |
| 02:24.11 | brailsmt | i have been using qmail, which is anything but simple... |
| 02:25.45 | mastergoon | postfix! :D |
| 02:26.21 | brailsmt | can i use it to send mail to the world at large? |
| 02:26.30 | mastergoon | sure |
| 02:26.37 | brailsmt | ok... |
| 02:26.37 | mastergoon | the default configuration works lol |
| 02:26.56 | brailsmt | because qmail takes hours to set up |
| 02:27.03 | mastergoon | to do what? |
| 02:27.05 | mastergoon | receive? |
| 02:27.18 | mastergoon | because postfix is just an smptd |
| 02:27.26 | mastergoon | *smtp |
| 02:27.27 | pmazer | brailsmt, are you trying to set up your own spamming company? =P |
| 02:27.28 | kp` | so is qmail |
| 02:27.35 | kp` | pmazer: lol |
| 02:27.46 | brailsmt | pmazer: no, but i prefer to send my own mail |
| 02:27.52 | mastergoon | emerge postfix; /etc/init.d/postfix start; sendmail someone@somewhere.com |
| 02:28.04 | pmazer | ah, so you're looking for an smtp server |
| 02:28.06 | mastergoon | brailsmt: a lot of people will block your mail tho ;) |
| 02:28.27 | mastergoon | for instance, im on comcast |
| 02:28.28 | brailsmt | mastergoon: does it work well with maildrop/spamassassin/etc? |
| 02:28.37 | mastergoon | brailsmt: yeah and procmail |
| 02:29.09 | pmazer | yeah, comcast blocks the smtp port |
| 02:29.24 | pmazer | or they've started to for some people, i think |
| 02:29.27 | mastergoon | yeah well i dont actually want incoming smtp so it doesnt matter |
| 02:29.28 | mastergoon | but also |
| 02:29.31 | mastergoon | spamhaus and stuff |
| 02:29.34 | mastergoon | blocks all comcast users |
| 02:29.41 | mastergoon | they block a lot of nonstatic ip holders and stuff |
| 02:30.00 | brailsmt | i am a long time procmail user, and i am going to try maildrop this time |
| 02:30.14 | pmazer | blocks @comcast.net users or comcast ips from individual smtp servers? |
| 02:30.24 | mastergoon | comcast IPs |
| 02:30.42 | brailsmt | and i haven't noticed an issue... |
| 02:30.46 | pmazer | lucky |
| 02:31.06 | brailsmt | even if i did, i could just tell it send to the smtp.mail.yahoo.com server :) |
| 02:31.11 | pmazer | though, i like my download, but not my upload... my upload is utter crap |
| 02:31.15 | brailsmt | which probably has more issues with being blocked |
| 02:31.35 | mastergoon | pmazer: yup |
| 02:31.51 | mastergoon | on a good day i get 60KB up |
| 02:32.01 | mastergoon | and it totally locks my line up to be using that much upstream bandwidth |
| 02:32.06 | brailsmt | once i get a permanent job, i am going to look at getting some hosting |
| 02:32.21 | brailsmt | mastergoon: that 60kb down or up? |
| 02:32.22 | pmazer | geez.. on a good day i get 30 KB up |
| 02:32.29 | mastergoon | brailsmt: up |
| 02:32.32 | mastergoon | i get 450 down |
| 02:32.41 | mastergoon | always |
| 02:32.44 | mastergoon | its capped at that |
| 02:32.50 | pmazer | i've gotten some 1 MB peaks |
| 02:32.56 | mastergoon | nice |
| 02:33.00 | pmazer | yep |
| 02:33.07 | mastergoon | highest i ever got was 820 |
| 02:33.09 | brailsmt | i don't know what mine is... i forgot... |
| 02:33.11 | mastergoon | that lasted a week |
| 02:33.17 | mastergoon | then i got capped down to 450 |
| 02:33.21 | pmazer | brailsmt, do you have a domain associated with your ip, or is it just brailsmt@654.874.21.5 |
| 02:33.45 | brailsmt | www.aegiswm.org, or brailsmt.is-a-geek.org, or brailsmt.homelinux.org |
| 02:33.49 | brailsmt | take your pick... :) |
| 02:34.20 | mastergoon | my connection was refused! |
| 02:34.32 | brailsmt | that'd my firewall... |
| 02:34.38 | mastergoon | lol :) |
| 02:34.40 | brailsmt | ;) |
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| 02:37.06 | squishybear | homelinux.org, eh? |
| 02:37.09 | squishybear | how much does that cost? |
| 02:37.17 | brailsmt | squishybear: free |
| 02:37.21 | brailsmt | www.dyndns.org |
| 02:37.22 | squishybear | where do you sign up? |
| 02:37.31 | mackstann | or .ath.cx |
| 02:37.38 | mackstann | or a bunch of others |
| 02:37.46 | dooky | fuck you that was the second time it happened |
| 02:37.48 | andoo | http://andoo.homeunix.org/~andoo/ |
| 02:37.49 | andoo | :) |
| 02:37.50 | dooky | i just sat down from watching tv |
| 02:37.54 | andoo | dyndns rules :) |
| 02:38.06 | mastergoon | is this the 3rd? |
| 02:38.08 | dooky | andoo: as does no-ip ! |
| 02:38.15 | andoo | dooky: yepp |
| 02:38.16 | squishybear | whoa |
| 02:38.16 | dooky | mastergoon: no, i'm not making an excuse |
| 02:38.19 | dooky | brailsmt: I'm not mad at you :) |
| 02:38.24 | squishybear | what is that you made the index.html with, andoo ? |
| 02:38.34 | squishybear | andoo: you sorta look like me. except i have darkish skin |
| 02:38.38 | squishybear | and i don't normally dwell in shadows |
| 02:38.45 | andoo | squishybear: i wrote my own indexer :) |
| 02:38.51 | andoo | just finished it |
| 02:39.00 | squishybear | kick ass |
| 02:39.06 | squishybear | it can go along with my screenshotter |
| 02:39.08 | andoo | it's the script called boa_indexer.py |
| 02:39.13 | squishybear | http://bingweb.binghamton.edu/~nzohar1/code/whatahshot |
| 02:39.30 | squishybear | together, we are unstoppable |
| 02:39.50 | andoo | :) |
| 02:40.26 | andoo | i can't read that now |
| 02:40.29 | andoo | Wed Aug 25 04:42:12 CEST 2004 |
| 02:40.34 | andoo | i'm dying |
| 02:41.03 | pmazer | im so tempted to try this lockout program |
| 02:41.08 | brailsmt | death is such a sad thing |
| 02:41.14 | brailsmt | lockout? |
| 02:41.17 | squishybear | lockout is bad news |
| 02:41.32 | squishybear | brailsmt: it was on slashdot. it locks you from using the internet and other distractions and changes your root password |
| 02:41.44 | squishybear | but it changes back on a reboot |
| 02:41.46 | squishybear | it's stupid, imo |
| 02:44.59 | andoo | ok. i'm off now |
| 02:45.01 | andoo | gn8 |
| 02:48.14 | squishybear | what's a boa indexer |
| 02:53.07 | hednod | constrictor |
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| 03:56.57 | brailsmt | this time with fox |
| 04:02.34 | StuLTissimus | Yay? |
| 04:02.41 | dooky | pown |
| 04:06.35 | brailsmt | from fox-toolkit.org: # Fixed some inconsistent names in FXThread; hopefully, this will be the last API change for 1.4. |
| 04:06.47 | brailsmt | so 1.4 release of Fox is due soon |
| 04:40.17 | hednod | not if they're anything like SWIG =p |
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| 05:14.17 | brailsmt | oh, wait... |
| 05:15.38 | brailsmt | wow, i think it works |
| 05:15.48 | brailsmt | so aegis will now create windows on a right click... |
| 05:16.01 | brailsmt | of course the window is invisible... |
| 05:16.07 | brailsmt | *sigh* |
| 05:16.33 | squishybear | haha |
| 05:16.42 | squishybear | that's impressive |
| 05:16.59 | brailsmt | aha |
| 05:17.08 | brailsmt | now i know who you are... |
| 05:17.09 | brailsmt | :) |
| 05:17.11 | whatah | yeah |
| 05:17.12 | brailsmt | gnight |
| 05:17.16 | whatah | i am t3h squishybear that lurks in the night |
| 05:17.19 | whatah | you going to bed? |
| 05:17.27 | whatah | have a good night |
| 05:22.05 | mastergoon | brailsmt: does Xnest segfault for you every time you kill aegis btw? |
| 05:22.13 | mastergoon | if you're still here :) |
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| 08:06.22 | floppyears | hi kp` |
| 08:10.29 | floppyears | hi anybody up? |
| 08:11.34 | mackstann | yeah |
| 08:11.39 | mackstann | building xorg |
| 08:11.47 | mackstann | and good lord does it take a while |
| 08:12.26 | whatah | which x.org? |
| 08:12.28 | whatah | the 6.8.0 release? |
| 08:12.44 | mackstann | whatever cvs is |
| 08:12.49 | whatah | oh |
| 08:12.52 | whatah | you shouldn't do that |
| 08:13.00 | whatah | because 6.8.0 is slated for a release really soon |
| 08:13.18 | mackstann | i think i'll be ok |
| 08:13.27 | whatah | ha |
| 08:13.36 | whatah | by scheduled for release |
| 08:13.40 | whatah | i meant i heard it was coming out today |
| 08:14.05 | mackstann | then i'm basically installing the release anyways |
| 08:14.14 | dooky | no |
| 08:14.17 | dooky | it won't be out for a while |
| 08:14.22 | dooky | its really unstable |
| 08:14.22 | dooky | lol |
| 08:15.35 | whatah | i dunno why i read otherwise |
| 08:15.39 | whatah | the article must of been wrong |
| 08:16.04 | dooky | k well if they want to release something this buggy and unstable, yay for them |
| 08:16.05 | dooky | lol |
| 08:16.26 | mackstann | url? |
| 08:16.49 | whatah | for what? |
| 08:16.56 | mackstann | the article |
| 08:16.58 | whatah | http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/soapbox/article.php?articleID=5 |
| 08:17.11 | whatah | it was just put out yesterday |
| 08:17.51 | whatah | and their release plan agrees with me |
| 08:32.12 | floppyears | mackstann: you're building xorg? I thought that you used debian? |