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| 08:35.10 | cutmasta | mornin |
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| 09:44.19 | davidw | romainguy, I can't disable buttons - is that a known thing? |
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| 13:10.40 | benley_ | I guess it is chinese new year |
| 13:10.42 | benley_ | gah, ww |
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| 14:17.17 | chomchom | hello, could someone help me clarify the difference between Bundle and shared preference use? Am I right in saying that Bundles should always be used when passing values to an activity, whereas shared preferences should be used for values shared throughout the application; not just for one activity in particular? |
| 14:17.47 | chomchom | I ask because the Demo in the Demo apps with android does not make a clear distinction in implementation. |
| 14:20.45 | chomchom | It demonstrates the passing of a value to a sub activity through the use of shared prefs rather than the bundle |
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| 14:22.51 | skicson | My understanding is that shared preferences are used for persistence whereas the bundle is used for passing values to an activity. hadn't seen that demo. |
| 14:23.55 | chomchom | The one for redirection |
| 14:24.01 | chomchom | uses the shared prefs |
| 14:24.19 | chomchom | but there is none that create a new bundle and then put a mappable value in it |
| 14:28.23 | skicson | the only demo that i remember seeing use a bundle was in the onFreeze in order to reset when the onResume occurs. |
| 14:28.54 | chomchom | yeah, thats pretty activity specific as well |
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| 15:56.31 | chomchom | Has anyone been using any good tools they could recommend developing their android application? |
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| 16:02.00 | cutmasta | chomchom, the sdk? |
| 16:02.06 | cutmasta | eclipse plugin? |
| 16:02.12 | cutmasta | netbeans plugin? |
| 16:04.01 | chomchom | yeah these are all good, theres also an intelliJ plugin |
| 16:04.57 | chomchom | but I mean like in your every day work environment, if there is anything else you find quite handy |
| 16:04.57 | chomchom | just curious, making conversation |
| 16:05.01 | cutmasta | i understand |
| 16:05.28 | chomchom | I use SQLite Database Browser to verify the data in the SQLite DB. Thats quite handy |
| 16:05.43 | cutmasta | yap, good idea |
| 16:06.20 | chomchom | Also I use the a library called sqlitejdbc to run unit test against the created DB entries |
| 16:06.37 | chomchom | also handy |
| 16:08.02 | chomchom | have you got any extra little tools you use? |
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| 17:35.12 | mike1o | are javadocs available for android java APIs? |
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| 17:39.50 | davidw | mike1o, apparently the docs are javadocs |
| 17:39.58 | davidw | just munged in terms of the template/formatting |
| 17:40.31 | mike1o | I know but I I wanted something that would be compatible with eclipse... |
| 17:40.39 | morrildl | Fun Android Fact: all contents on http://code.google.com/android except for the package/class reference are actually generated by a doclet |
| 17:40.51 | morrildl | mike1o: what's missing? |
| 17:41.08 | mike1o | I can link that online docs to eclipse? |
| 17:41.28 | morrildl | The plugin should handle it |
| 17:41.37 | morrildl | is there a class that is missing JavaDocs? |
| 17:42.00 | mike1o | no I didn't mean to say that :) |
| 17:44.03 | mike1o | using android_sdk_linux_m3-rc37a/docs/reference as javadocs won't show me the documentation when I hover over android methods of classes :9 |
| 17:44.41 | zhobbs | mike1o, works for me |
| 17:44.52 | zhobbs | mike1o, I didn't have to do anything...I guess the plugin did it for me |
| 17:44.53 | davidw | morrildl, yeah: android.telephony.Phone :-> |
| 17:44.57 | mike1o | then I probably need to set some stuff up |
| 17:45.38 | morrildl | mike1o: well, no, you shouldn't have to if you are using our Eclipse plugin |
| 17:45.49 | morrildl | davidw: indeed :) |
| 17:45.59 | mike1o | oh yeah.. morrildl it doesn't work just for some methods... |
| 17:47.00 | davidw | morrildl, actually, all I care about is getting the number of the current (outgoing in this case) call, hopefully that will be addressed at some point |
| 17:47.29 | mike1o | nope actually it doesn't work only for my classes ... oops... sorry guys... I need to drink more coffee |
| 17:47.41 | morrildl | davidw: you mean android.telephony.IPhone ? |
| 17:49.24 | zhobbs | no docs for android.app.IActivityManager |
| 17:49.31 | davidw | morrildl, no, I'm interested in the other stuff like Phone, PhoneFactory, GSMPhone, Connection, or whatever else it takes to get the current call information |
| 17:50.02 | davidw | I actually managed to get makeDefaultPhones() working by killing the phone app, but that's pretty useless for real apps |
| 17:50.37 | davidw | and actually that's not a pressing need... my client understands that it's not supported right at the moment |
| 17:51.32 | morrildl | davidw: er, you can kill the phone app? |
| 17:51.37 | morrildl | from code, or from adb/ddms? |
| 17:52.09 | davidw | from adb shell, don't worry:-) |
| 17:52.15 | morrildl | davidw: phew :) |
| 17:52.30 | morrildl | There is a PhoneStateIntentReceiver |
| 17:52.36 | davidw | morrildl, know offhand what restarts the phone app? |
| 17:52.51 | morrildl | davidw: not sure, it should be restarted by the system watchdog |
| 17:52.58 | davidw | that got me curious too, although it's not really relevant to what I'm doing |
| 17:53.16 | morrildl | Phone and Home are the only 2 "special" processes that the system won't kill and tries to keep running |
| 17:53.20 | mike1o | morrildl, actually Im.Contacts doesn't have any javadocs says here |
| 17:53.33 | zhobbs | morrildl, you know if streaming video will be included in the next sdk? |
| 17:53.52 | morrildl | zhobbs: in what form? you mean in the MediaPlayer stuff? |
| 17:53.57 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 17:54.15 | mike1o | morrildl, I guess cause it's only a content provider and not really a class/interface etc. |
| 17:54.16 | morrildl | not sure |
| 17:54.28 | morrildl | that's harder to tell from an API delta report :) |
| 17:54.44 | morrildl | mike1o: probably |
| 17:55.52 | davidw | wow, this sucks...someone copied the calendar event reminder and made it into a spam template:-( |
| 17:55.52 | morrildl | so the telephony stuff changed |
| 17:56.00 | morrildl | there's some GSM stuff in there now |
| 17:56.07 | morrildl | davidw: where? |
| 17:56.18 | davidw | morrildl, google calendar, not the phone stuff |
| 17:56.29 | morrildl | do you mean in the Group? |
| 17:56.45 | morrildl | oh wiat, you mean someone's spamming your calendar? |
| 17:57.32 | davidw | someone sent me an email that looks exactly like a calendar event message... I did report phishing, hopefully those get investigated |
| 17:58.09 | davidw | it was a good enough fake that it took me a few seconds to figure out what was going on |
| 17:59.12 | davidw | anyway...irrelevant, it just surprised me... |
| 18:00.04 | mike1o | morrildl, i was wondering Im.Contacts.AVATAR_CONTACT ... what kind of data format is it? |
| 18:00.41 | morrildl | davidw: ahh... that's lame |
| 18:00.46 | morrildl | definitely report it |
| 18:00.51 | morrildl | mike1o: not sure |
| 18:01.47 | morrildl | mike1o: actually I am not even sure which class you're referring to |
| 18:02.05 | mike1o | morrildl, it's a content provider |
| 18:02.27 | mike1o | actually it's a srting constant containing an uri |
| 18:02.31 | davidw | introspection is cool |
| 18:02.34 | morrildl | Contacts is, yes |
| 18:02.55 | morrildl | What do you mean by Im.Contacts? |
| 18:04.03 | mike1o | sure... |
| 18:04.13 | mike1o | Im.Contacts.AVATAR_CONTACT |
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| 18:05.21 | mike1o | could be Im.Avatars.CONTENT_URI also... |
| 18:07.34 | morrildl | mike1o: what is "Im"? |
| 18:07.52 | mike1o | instant messenger ? |
| 18:08.00 | zhobbs | for xmpp right? |
| 18:08.05 | mike1o | yup |
| 18:08.11 | morrildl | what is the full package name? |
| 18:08.38 | mike1o | Im.Contacts.AVATAR_CONTACT ? |
| 18:08.45 | mike1o | Im.Contacts |
| 18:08.55 | mike1o | or Im.Avatars |
| 18:10.20 | mike1o | actually I was trying to load Im.Avatars.DATA in to an imageview... but that didn't work out too well... I think I might have to write an adapter |
| 18:11.34 | morrildl | mike1o: that isn't a package name though |
| 18:11.44 | morrildl | I don't know what class you're talking about |
| 18:13.12 | mike1o | it's probably not a class but a content URI... don't tell I have to read the xmpp specifications :( |
| 18:13.36 | morrildl | well, I mean that as far as I can tell, that class doesn't even exist :) |
| 18:13.49 | morrildl | where are you seeing it? |
| 18:17.11 | mike1o | in eclipse I type "Im" and then I press ctrl-space and I get a list of stuff... |
| 18:17.32 | mike1o | oops... |
| 18:17.45 | mike1o | it's android.provider.Im |
| 18:17.47 | mike1o | actually |
| 18:17.59 | mike1o | my mistake |
| 18:25.34 | mike1o | but it's weird cause it doesn't appear in here http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/provider/package-summary.html |
| 18:31.07 | morrildl | ahh |
| 18:31.15 | morrildl | If it's not in the reference docs, it doesn't exist |
| 18:31.24 | morrildl | That is, it's an internal system class |
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| 18:41.11 | mike1o | morrildl, so how am I supposed to find get info about it? |
| 18:42.19 | morrildl | mike1o: you aren't :) |
| 18:42.22 | morrildl | you aren't supposed to use it |
| 18:42.28 | morrildl | It's not a public supported API |
| 18:42.34 | mike1o | oops :) |
| 18:42.48 | morrildl | If a class has "poor" JavaDocs, that means it's just poor docs |
| 18:43.09 | morrildl | If a class has no JavaDocs at all that means it's non-public/unsupported |
| 18:43.40 | morrildl | We are working on a way to strip those classes from android.jar so they don't appear in Eclipse either |
| 18:45.52 | davidw | mike1o, google for dexdump :-) |
| 18:46.19 | mike1o | Did you mean: hexdump ? |
| 18:46.31 | davidw | no |
| 18:47.02 | mike1o | ok :-) |
| 18:47.14 | davidw | you can also use javap to get at the stuff in android.jar and see what things look like, although of course it's all unsupported and might change |
| 18:47.35 | davidw | but it's fun if you like to poke and prod at things and see what they do |
| 18:49.40 | davidw | wife says it's time to fix dinner....later:-) |
| 18:50.25 | mike1o | tnx davidw |
| 18:51.08 | mike1o | this is like reverse engineering |
| 18:52.59 | benley | more like forensic pathology :) |
| 18:54.55 | benley | actually, nevermind. wrong channel. |
| 18:55.06 | benley | again. |
| 18:59.46 | davidw | mike1o, yeah... so don't depend on it, it's just for fun |
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| 20:19.25 | *** topic/#android by morrildl -> Android: These are the droids you're looking for. |
| 20:19.36 | morrildl | nah, too markety-sounding |
| 20:19.41 | *** topic/#android by morrildl -> These are the droids you're looking for. |
| 20:19.46 | morrildl | better |
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| 20:21.13 | michaelnovakjr | howdy |
| 20:22.47 | michaelnovakjr | ::looks empty:: |
| 20:24.00 | zhobbs | howdy |
| 20:24.10 | michaelnovakjr | hey |
| 20:24.28 | michaelnovakjr | i am curious about media streaming on android? does it exist? |
| 20:25.10 | michaelnovakjr | more specifically audio |
| 20:26.35 | zhobbs | I don't think it works very well |
| 20:26.40 | zhobbs | or at all maybe |
| 20:26.52 | zhobbs | might be able to get rtsp audio only working |
| 20:28.20 | michaelnovakjr | interesting...its only an added feature, not an absolute must luckily |
| 20:29.40 | michaelnovakjr | whens the deadline for the challenge first round |
| 20:30.36 | zhobbs | apr 14 |
| 20:30.48 | michaelnovakjr | good stuff |
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| 20:35.11 | jasonlee | morridl: whens the signup page for the Boston event going to be available? |
| 20:35.55 | morrildl | jasonlee: that's an excellent question |
| 20:36.12 | morrildl | unfortunately Azhar is out of the office until tomorrow, and only she has the answer :) |
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| 20:36.56 | jasonlee | morrildl: but it's for sure on the 23rd right, no chance of it changing.. |
| 20:37.46 | morrildl | jasonlee: Yup! |
| 20:38.43 | jasonlee | cool, i'll go ahead and buy my plane tickets then |
| 20:39.14 | jasonlee | morrildl: oh, and btw, i emailed you a picture of us in front of the cylon from the campfire, hope you got it. |
| 20:41.52 | davidw | wha? that sounds entertaining |
| 20:43.44 | jasonlee | yeah, the campfire was cool, i hope they do it again.. |
| 20:45.03 | zhobbs | there was a cylon at the campfire? |
| 20:46.23 | jasonlee | yep: http://jasonhudgins.blogspot.com/2008/01/android-campfire.html |
| 20:46.47 | jasonlee | i'm the fat dude on the right =) |
| 20:47.07 | davidw | "a simulated campfire" ? sounds californian;-) |
| 20:48.05 | jasonlee | it was some backlit colored fabric that was being blown around by a fan or something..i didn't look at it too closely |
| 20:48.08 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 20:49.04 | davidw | jasonlee, so what are you working on that you're completely open about? |
| 20:49.45 | jasonlee | I'm working on an app that tells you what your standing next to |
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| 20:49.58 | michaelnovakjr | jasonlee, ? |
| 20:50.08 | davidw | *what* you're standing next to? |
| 20:50.11 | davidw | not who? |
| 20:50.16 | jasonlee | yep.. |
| 20:50.17 | davidw | how so? |
| 20:50.24 | xbit | i hope i know what i'm standing next to |
| 20:50.37 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 20:50.45 | michaelnovakjr | talk about really not having to think at all |
| 20:51.14 | jasonlee | haha, i love saying it like that, but more specifically, it references web resources, so if your standing next to a statue of an important figure, it will open up the wikipedia page (or any arbitrary web page) about that person.. |
| 20:51.32 | jasonlee | geographic relevance if you will |
| 20:51.40 | michaelnovakjr | thats a big database! |
| 20:51.44 | davidw | jasonlee, that's pretty cool... I had thought about that myself... get the location coordinates, and fetch the relevant wikipedia page |
| 20:52.17 | jasonlee | yeah, we bootstrapped our service with wikipedia, but the app (which i'm going to give out for free) will let anyone make their own geo-bookmarks |
| 20:52.28 | jasonlee | thus the database drows on itself, noway i could put all that data in myself.. |
| 20:52.36 | michaelnovakjr | true |
| 20:53.01 | jasonlee | nobody has come out and told me it was a dumb idea yet |
| 20:53.18 | davidw | it's not |
| 20:53.32 | davidw | (well, since I had it too, I tend to think not;-) |
| 20:54.21 | jasonlee | the app is almost finished, but now that they extended the deadline, i'm thinking about doing another one for the contest.. |
| 20:54.26 | davidw | morrildl, romainguy: setEnabled(false) with buttons doesn't seem to... "work" - I looked in the bug list, but didn't see anything. Is it a known issue? |
| 21:09.24 | morrildl | davidw: yeah that's known and long-fixed |
| 21:09.38 | morrildl | It probably isn't in the external tracker |
| 21:13.50 | davidw | ah ok, cool |
| 21:13.54 | davidw | I figured as much |
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| 21:28.29 | zhobbs | are ImageViews focusable? |
| 21:32.59 | zhobbs | hmmm, I probably have to create a custom imagebutton view |
| 21:41.59 | zhobbs | hmmm...actually might be able to control how a selected image looks via a theme... |
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| 23:46.31 | HalfShell | Hello everyone. |
| 23:47.12 | zhobbs | hello |
| 23:53.48 | HalfShell | how are you doing today zhobbs? |
| 23:54.19 | HalfShell | I have a question about bluetooth in Android if anyone here knows about that... |