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| 00:29.51 | jasta | that stupid CDATA bug is really pissing me off now. |
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| 03:05.53 | zhobbs | anyone know how to access the wallpapers on the system? |
| 03:11.39 | jasta | not off hand. they're probably in a content provider somewhere. |
| 03:23.59 | zhobbs | you think google would care if I figured out a way to convert all those binary xml files in the system apk's to test xml and published the results? |
| 03:24.10 | zhobbs | s/test/text |
| 03:24.21 | jasta | what does it matter if Google cares? |
| 03:24.52 | zhobbs | well, wondering about the copyright laws on "decompilation" |
| 03:24.53 | jasta | all this material is released under the Apache 2 license, which permits you to do with it as you please. |
| 03:25.08 | zhobbs | hmm, is it really apache 2 yet? |
| 03:25.12 | jasta | Yes, it is. |
| 03:26.32 | zhobbs | interesting...so for closed source apk's I guess it might be illegal |
| 03:27.03 | jasta | No, because aapt is the program which transforms XML into the binary XML format. |
| 03:27.18 | jasta | A closed source APK would still be using aapt for that transformation, and therefore the license of aapt is the only relevant one. |
| 03:28.11 | zhobbs | this post makes it seem like you might be able to get some an XMLPullParser from some of the android.R.* xml files at least |
| 03:28.16 | zhobbs | http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/f09c146dba6f5fd |
| 03:29.18 | jasta | You could, but it might be just as easy to reverse engineer the format itself. |
| 03:29.33 | zhobbs | yeah, that's what I was thinking...that way it would work for any apk |
| 03:29.53 | jasta | brb, gotta run into work (boo, forgot to do something over the weekend) |
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| 03:44.05 | jerkface03 | BitmapFactory correctly distingushes between different file types? or does it only take in a bitmap file? |
| 03:44.34 | zhobbs | should work with other file types |
| 03:46.30 | jerkface03 | by default png is fully supported? |
| 03:46.47 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 04:37.29 | jasta | back |
| 04:38.02 | jasta | jerkface03: png is what Google uses throughout Android, afaict. |
| 04:38.23 | jasta | but BitmapFactory certainly supports a wide range of formats. |
| 04:49.47 | jasta | hmm, does anyone know how to reliably work around the aidl parser bug in eclipse? |
| 04:50.10 | jasta | no matter what i do, it keeps thinking that it should be generating the java files, even though I've generated them manually and refreshed the project |
| 04:51.06 | jasta | how do you make it think it does not need to update them? |
| 04:58.43 | zhobbs | it scrolls to center an item even if all items are visible |
| 05:01.09 | romainguy__ | zhobbs: it's been changed in the next SDK |
| 05:02.23 | jasta | i've heard that's coming soon; like, this month? |
| 05:02.29 | jasta | i'm starting to get really frustrated with all these bugs |
| 05:02.32 | romainguy__ | you'll know when it's out |
| 05:02.56 | jasta | gah |
| 05:03.18 | jasta | at least do you know how to work around the aidl bug for now? |
| 05:03.35 | jasta | it wasn't causing me trouble until just recently but i can't figure out what i had done to magically work around it |
| 05:03.52 | romainguy | I don't know anything about AIDL |
| 05:04.47 | jasta | zhobbs: i had been operating on the mid-feb assumption... |
| 05:05.49 | romainguy | zhobbs: You'll know when it's out :) |
| 05:07.59 | zhobbs | yep, looking forward to it |
| 05:09.07 | jasta | ah ha, figured out how to make it think teh generated aidl interfaces are correct. |
| 05:09.30 | jasta | all you have to do is rm -f them, refresh the project, generate them manually, then refresh just the portion of the project that contains the aidl files |
| 05:09.34 | jasta | and it works |
| 05:09.57 | zhobbs | that's all? :) |
| 05:10.19 | jasta | well, it was a lot of voodoo to figure that out :) |
| 05:12.38 | jasta | hmm wait, the error popped right back in again |
| 05:12.39 | jasta | what the hell |
| 05:13.43 | jasta | oh wait, i have an idea. |
| 05:14.56 | zhobbs | romainguy: for the default listview selector what kind of drawable do you use to create that 3d/gradient type of look? |
| 05:15.40 | romainguy__ | a png file |
| 05:15.57 | romainguy__ | but you can also use a shape drawable |
| 05:16.05 | romainguy__ | for instance: |
| 05:16.07 | romainguy__ | <shape xmlns:android="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/android"> |
| 05:16.07 | romainguy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.07 | romainguy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.07 | romainguy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.07 | romainguy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.08 | romainguy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.10 | romainguy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.12 | romainguy__ | </shape> |
| 05:16.50 | zhobbs | thanks |
| 05:16.52 | romainguy__ | (this will draw a rounded rectangle) |
| 05:17.05 | romainguy__ | (actually not rounded since the corners radius is 0) |
| 05:18.06 | romainguy__ | there are several types of shapes |
| 05:18.16 | romainguy__ | for instance you can create a ring (cf. the progress indicator) |
| 05:18.17 | romainguy__ | <shape android:shape="ring" |
| 05:18.17 | romainguy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.18 | romainguy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.56 | zhobbs | so <shape> without android:shape is rectangle |
| 05:19.13 | romainguy__ | yeah, the default shape is a rectangle |
| 05:20.48 | romainguy__ | you can also do oval and line |
| 05:21.49 | romainguy__ | and inside the <shape/> tag you can put a <gradient/>, a <solid/> (obviously to fill with a solid color), a <storke/>, a <corners/> (for rectangle shapes), a <size/> and a <padding/> |
| 05:22.09 | zhobbs | cool, thanks...this xml/drawable stuff seems really powerful |
| 05:22.13 | romainguy__ | yeah |
| 05:22.40 | romainguy__ | a great example is the circular progress bar |
| 05:23.07 | romainguy__ | which is a <layer-list/> drawable |
| 05:23.15 | romainguy__ | made of a background PNG |
| 05:23.26 | romainguy__ | with a ring shape on top of it that has a sweep (or angled gradient) |
| 05:23.41 | romainguy__ | and on top of that there's a rotate drawable which contains an image (the white particle) |
| 05:25.49 | jasta | teehee, wrote a wrapper for aidl to make the Eclipse plugin work :) |
| 05:26.21 | zhobbs | nice, mind sharing how you did it? |
| 05:26.51 | zhobbs | I'm going to be working on a project pretty dependent on services in a week or two |
| 05:27.54 | jasta | sure, but it's very simple. |
| 05:27.59 | zhobbs | o |
| 05:28.00 | zhobbs | ok |
| 05:40.26 | jasta | alright, i generalized it if you're interested. |
| 05:40.46 | zhobbs | ok |
| 05:42.11 | zhobbs | you want to email it to me, or is it pasteable? |
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| 05:46.21 | jasta | zhobbs: i'm posting it to my blog, hang onm. |
| 05:46.23 | jasta | on* |
| 05:46.27 | zhobbs | k |
| 05:47.12 | jasta | http://devtcg.blogspot.com/2008/02/android-eclipse-plugin-aidl-bugs.html |
| 05:50.53 | zhobbs | nice, thanks |
| 05:51.56 | jasta | this is to work around the bug that makes it impossible to import your own custom AIDL interfaces to implement asynchronous services |
| 05:52.26 | jasta | it's easy to work around using ant because you can just change the invocation of aidl to include the appropriate -I |
| 05:52.39 | jasta | but using eclipse is really frustrating with this bug |
| 05:52.52 | zhobbs | gotcha |
| 06:06.18 | zhobbs | romainguy__: can I define text color for selected items in a ListView? |
| 06:06.45 | romainguy__ | zhobbs: in the item itself, yes |
| 06:06.51 | romainguy__ | it's not ListView's job |
| 06:07.47 | zhobbs | right. in the item how can I differentiate between focused/not focused? |
| 06:08.18 | romainguy__ | the item does not become focused, but selected |
| 06:08.46 | zhobbs | ok, can I specify text color for selected/not selected? |
| 06:08.52 | romainguy__ | yep |
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| 06:12.07 | zhobbs | found it TextView selectedTextColor |
| 06:12.24 | romainguy_ | in M3, yes |
| 06:12.37 | zhobbs | hehe |
| 06:14.02 | romainguy_ | you |
| 06:14.04 | romainguy_ | gngn |
| 06:14.07 | romainguy_ | you'll see :) |
| 06:24.14 | jasta | you're such a tease ;) |
| 06:33.17 | romainguy_ | jasta: I don't want to spoil the fun :p |
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| 06:36.09 | jasta | great, the XML parser also can't handle "? |
| 06:36.14 | jasta | what the hell |
| 06:38.38 | zhobbs | do my id's in the layouts have to be unique accross all of the layouts? |
| 06:38.52 | romainguy_ | zhobbs: no |
| 06:39.20 | jasta | findViewById is a recursive search up from the caller through to its parents. it returns the first matched id. |
| 06:39.32 | jasta | so, as romainguy_ said, no :) |
| 06:39.55 | jerkface03 | whens the next sdk scheduled to be rlsed? |
| 06:39.57 | jerkface03 | does anyone know? |
| 06:40.06 | zhobbs | hehe |
| 06:40.12 | romainguy_ | jasta: it's a search down to the children actually |
| 06:40.28 | jasta | romainguy_: Really? From the top-most parent? |
| 06:40.37 | romainguy_ | no, from the caller |
| 06:40.55 | jasta | Oh, of course. That makes much more sense than what I said. |
| 06:40.59 | romainguy_ | :) |
| 06:41.07 | romainguy_ | yeah, the other way around would not be that useful |
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| 06:44.06 | jasta | I hope handset manufacturers pull their heads out of their asses and integrate standard audio output jacks into their smartphones. |
| 06:44.21 | jasta | with amplifiers that can produce decent sound on larger systems. |
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| 07:22.20 | jerkface03 | Does ninepatch actually stretch the edges? or does it just output the images intended for the edge continously until the end? |
| 07:22.36 | jerkface03 | because the documentation says that the edges are scaled |
| 07:22.39 | jerkface03 | but that doesn't sound right |
| 07:27.34 | romainguy_ | jerkface03: ? |
| 07:27.42 | romainguy_ | what do you call the edges? |
| 07:27.54 | jerkface03 | well, the edges, not the corners |
| 07:28.01 | romainguy_ | yes, they are stretched |
| 07:28.18 | romainguy_ | the whole purpose of a ninepatch is to stretch parts of the image |
| 07:28.31 | jerkface03 | wouldn't that distort the edges? |
| 07:28.51 | romainguy_ | jerkface03: do they look distorted on screen? :) |
| 07:29.08 | romainguy_ | all of the default widgets in Android are drawn with ninepatches |
| 07:29.27 | jerkface03 | well, depending on what's getting displayed? |
| 07:29.39 | romainguy_ | it's up to you to create a ninepatch that work |
| 07:29.41 | jerkface03 | romainguy: it's not that computationally intensive to stretch images like that? |
| 07:29.47 | romainguy_ | but believe me, ninepatches work really well |
| 07:30.00 | romainguy_ | it can be intensive |
| 07:30.10 | romainguy_ | but there are optimizations done |
| 07:30.40 | jerkface03 | hrm k |
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| 08:13.37 | jerkface03 | romainguy: do you know where I could find information on the 9-patch format? especially what needs to be passed in as the byte []chunk parameter in the NinePatch constructor? |
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| 12:51.39 | fcarvalho | http://unlimitededition.wordpress.com/2008/02/08/arm-android-prototype-next-week/ |
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| 15:29.56 | benley | http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/feb08/02-11RobinAcquisitionPR.mspx?rss_fdn=Press%20Releases |
| 15:32.49 | mike1o | "Founded in 1975, Microsoft (Nasdaq “MSFT”) is the worldwide leader in software, services and solutions that help people and businesses realize their full potential." :) |
| 15:34.27 | skicson | that's just what I was saying the other day when my copy of Vista froze for the 1000th time. |
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| 16:48.06 | zhobbs | hopefully |
| 16:48.16 | zhobbs | nothing good so far |
| 16:48.39 | jasta | i hear that a new prototype handset is being unveiled to the public today? |
| 16:50.38 | zhobbs | that some old QVGA-L prototype: http://gizmodo.com/354849/android-hands+on-video-its-fast-its-still-not-there |
| 16:50.43 | zhobbs | same* |
| 16:51.08 | zhobbs | and an NEC dev board running android with some weird UI: http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/11/google-attacks-android-at-mobile-world-congress/ |
| 16:51.33 | jasta | oh. |
| 16:54.49 | zhobbs | this phone is made by HTC, hopefully we see something like this with android: http://gizmodo.com/354853/video-first-hands-on-sony-ericssons-xperia-x1 |
| 16:56.47 | jasta | i don't think we need to make cell phones with those large slide-out keyboards. |
| 16:56.52 | jasta | instead, we should just breed humans with smaller fingers. |
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| 18:28.22 | jasta | a new google employee? :) |
| 18:30.32 | sushmu | what's the name? |
| 18:36.36 | morrildl | who, dsm? |
| 18:36.45 | morrildl | Yeah, he's on the same team I am |
| 18:36.48 | dsm | hi |
| 18:36.49 | dsm | yeah |
| 18:36.54 | morrildl | he's actually been here before :) |
| 18:36.55 | dsm | not really new, just haven't logged into irc in a while |
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| 18:48.59 | jasta | morrildl: what team is that? |
| 18:49.14 | benley | the "hang out on irc instead of doing real work" team |
| 18:49.16 | benley | ;-) |
| 18:49.25 | morrildl | benley: guilty as charged :( |
| 18:49.28 | morrildl | ;) |
| 18:49.42 | morrildl | jasta: we are Developer Advocates |
| 18:49.51 | morrildl | I prefer to call us evangineers :) |
| 18:50.01 | jasta | sounds like interns :) |
| 18:50.21 | zhobbs | morrildl: you have CS or business/marketing background? |
| 18:50.36 | benley | what zhobbs is asking is, |
| 18:50.39 | benley | "Are you bozos?" |
| 18:50.43 | jasta | hehe |
| 18:51.23 | morrildl | zhobbs: BS in physics and CS, MS in CS |
| 18:51.29 | morrildl | well, for me at least |
| 18:51.39 | zhobbs | nice |
| 18:51.41 | dsm | bs in math, ma in communication,culture,technology |
| 18:51.51 | dsm | typically developer advocates have a technical background, though |
| 18:51.55 | morrildl | Indeed |
| 18:52.23 | jasta | what do developer advocates do? |
| 18:52.30 | morrildl | most companies would call us "evangelists", but since we are Google and almost every position has some flavor of eng in it, I call it evangineer :) |
| 18:52.33 | jasta | because it seems like maybe you guys grossly overpaid for your education :) |
| 18:55.49 | edcba | jasta: hopefully i am underpaid at work :) |
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| 18:57.16 | benley | meh |
| 18:57.20 | jasta | edcba: Are you a "developer advocate" as well? I'm intrigued by this title. |
| 18:57.24 | jasta | it seems like a do-nothing gig :) |
| 18:57.54 | edcba | dunno what is developper advocate |
| 18:58.01 | edcba | i am developper |
| 18:58.12 | jasta | Ahh, well, then you're probably not underpaid :) |
| 18:58.14 | zhobbs | marketing google technologies to techies I would say |
| 18:58.41 | edcba | i'm underpaid for a developper and i don't work for google :) |
| 18:59.42 | jasta | software engineers have it so easy, though. it's hard to complain. |
| 19:00.17 | jasta | the job is cake, usually, flexible hours, and great pay. i find that if you complain, most people will punch you in the teeth. |
| 19:00.44 | edcba | yes but that's not a reason to give the money to your bosses that do less than you :) |
| 19:01.16 | jasta | well, they dress nicer than you :) |
| 19:01.24 | edcba | ok good point |
| 19:01.54 | edcba | but i could do the same job elsewhere earning much |
| 19:02.07 | edcba | and i don't know why i say that to you lol |
| 19:02.26 | edcba | we don't really care |
| 19:03.25 | jasta | i'm just saying, it's hard to complain. in most major metropolitan US cities, software engineers average a salary twice as high as the national average. |
| 19:03.52 | jasta | that's not insignificant. |
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| 19:21.11 | morrildl | jasta: a developer advocate means that we help developers actually use our stuff |
| 19:21.36 | morrildl | jasta: the product eng teams launch the product, we help & encourage developers to actually use it |
| 19:21.49 | morrildl | and also we relay feedback to the product eng teams |
| 19:22.25 | zhobbs | morrildl: that NEC demo is the new UI? ( http://www.engadget.com/photos/google-attacks-android-at-mobile-world-congress-1/634512/ ) ? |
| 19:22.40 | morrildl | zhobbs: yes |
| 19:23.29 | zhobbs | hmm, is much of the background visible on the hvga models? 4 icons would almost take the whole screen |
| 19:23.39 | zhobbs | for hvga-l |
| 19:23.57 | Lede | a developer advocate is an AETCC |
| 19:24.27 | Lede | (Artificial Entity That Creates Communities) |
| 19:25.03 | Lede | morrildl: proof it! |
| 19:25.05 | Lede | :P |
| 19:25.11 | morrildl | Hmm |
| 19:25.16 | morrildl | I do have a hard time passing the Turing Test |
| 19:28.02 | zhobbs | morrildl: there's a list of tracks in one of those NEC photos, is there an mp3 player built in now? |
| 19:31.55 | zhobbs | going to have to start waterboarding these developer advocates :) |
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| 20:12.56 | romainguy | zhobbs: on HVGA the new UI can show almost 30 icons |
| 20:13.45 | zhobbs | hmm, but can show much fewer if I want right? |
| 20:14.07 | romainguy | it shows all of the installed apps |
| 20:14.14 | romainguy | if you have fewer apps that can fit on screen, then yes |
| 20:15.23 | zhobbs | can you hide any if you want? |
| 20:15.32 | zhobbs | (I'm asking cause my app manipulates the wallpaper) |
| 20:15.52 | romainguy | see the button at the bottom right of the screen? |
| 20:15.56 | romainguy | it shows/hides the list of apps |
| 20:16.01 | zhobbs | gotcha |
| 20:16.07 | zhobbs | sounds good |
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| 21:29.41 | morrildl | There is a column on the right of "favorite" apps |
| 21:30.02 | morrildl | these are your specifically-selected favorites, plus as many least-recently-used apps |
| 21:36.13 | f00f- | when is the new sdk coming out? |
| 21:36.15 | f00f- | this week or next week? |
| 21:36.26 | morrildl | f00f-: soon |
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| 21:41.30 | f00f- | perfect. i don't suppose there will be another one before mid-april? |
| 21:42.00 | morrildl | We expect there to be |
| 21:42.15 | morrildl | I would be more specific but if I am and for some reason we slip the date, then that's bad form :) |
| 21:42.30 | f00f- | i understand, i'm just concerned about features |
| 21:43.26 | f00f- | there are some that we would like to use but that aren't present in the current release |
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| 21:45.09 | f00f- | but definitely excitement is building to see other ADC entries :) |
| 21:45.22 | f00f- | do you know if there are plans to support one-to-many XMPP data messaging? |
| 21:45.47 | f00f- | or is it already supported in groupchats? |
| 21:46.35 | davidw | f00f-, like which features? |
| 21:47.20 | davidw | I don't know how completely it's against the contest rules and other things, but you can sometimes find interesting things by decompiling the .jar... Of course, even if it doesn't break any rules, there's no guarantee it will keep working if it's not official |
| 21:47.33 | davidw | (and even then I think they're still likely to change a thing or two in the near future) |
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| 21:51.03 | f00f- | so far only: official Bluetooth support (with L2CAP access) and the new CursorAdapter |
| 21:51.20 | f00f- | right, that's why official support seems better in the long-run |
| 21:51.25 | zhobbs | I'd like to see non gtalk xmpp support |
| 22:11.56 | jasta | i'm so convinced that an SDK release is happening very soon. |
| 22:12.02 | jasta | :) |
| 22:15.33 | jasta | like, this week. |
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| 22:33.21 | Yeggstry | jasta: there was a bit in the interview on the bbc website I saw earlier |
| 22:33.28 | Yeggstry | i believe it said tomorrow |
| 22:34.01 | Yeggstry | http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_7230000/newsid_7238900?redirect=7238965.stm&news=1&bbwm=1&bbram=1&nbwm=1&nbram=1&asb=1 |
| 22:34.16 | Yeggstry | apparently its on youtube as well |
| 22:34.46 | Yeggstry | youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_6K9B490EA |
| 22:34.51 | edcba | YouTube - Rich Miner on Google Android |
| 22:36.05 | Yeggstry | so soon (TM) :) |
| 22:36.42 | f00f- | laggy video |
| 22:36.55 | Yeggstry | its done on an N95 |
| 22:37.32 | f00f- | i have an N95 and i shoot better |
| 22:37.35 | f00f- | might be youtube conversion |
| 22:37.43 | f00f- | it seems to stall every 2 seconds for me, hmm |
| 22:38.30 | zhobbs | works ok for me |
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| 22:39.38 | zhobbs | he says at the show tomorrow we're launching a refresh of the sdk |
| 22:40.00 | zhobbs | interesting... |
| 22:40.37 | skicson | who are the partners that are displaying their stuff? why wasn't I invited?????? :-P |
| 22:40.49 | zhobbs | hehe, exactly |
| 22:44.08 | zhobbs | The refresh of the SDK he mentioned I think is just the NEC demo, not a release I guess...and he says tomorrow monring, but it was posted yesterday |
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| 22:58.48 | davidw | morrildl, it would be cool if there were a little web app to manage 'my submissions' |
| 23:00.02 | morrildl | davidw: I agree :) |
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