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| 00:22.05 | zhobbs | duvy: that looks like it might be more for the phone book |
| 00:22.13 | zhobbs | not sure if sms messages are currently stored anywhere |
| 00:33.18 | jasta | they arent. |
| 00:33.40 | jasta | the platform probably never will, some SMS application will. |
| 00:33.54 | jasta | then you'll find them in a contentprovider |
| 00:34.45 | zhobbs | jasta: you still jamming out to the same song? |
| 00:35.25 | jasta | no, i have finally changed it |
| 00:35.44 | jasta | now im listening to MGMT - Kids on repeat |
| 00:35.53 | jasta | hehe |
| 00:36.42 | zhobbs | well...I guess it's about time to start porting my app to m5 |
| 00:37.27 | zhobbs | shouldn't be too bad.. |
| 00:37.29 | jasta | hehe |
| 00:37.32 | jasta | i've already ported two apps ;) |
| 00:38.01 | zhobbs | I did 4 of the examples on my site, but been busy since |
| 00:38.09 | f00f- | ah so jasta is increasing his odds by submitting multiple apps :) |
| 00:38.17 | jasta | f00f-: No, I'm not. |
| 00:38.33 | zhobbs | I'm going to have lots of neglected eggs in lots of different baskets :) |
| 00:38.34 | jasta | I have an RSS reader in the public domain currently. I am not intending to submit it, however. |
| 00:38.52 | f00f- | hehe |
| 00:39.04 | jasta | http://android-rss.googlecode.com, and it currently does run on M5. The UI could use more updating, though. |
| 00:39.20 | jasta | My ADC project is not available publicly yet, however. |
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| 00:39.24 | jasta | That will come after round 1 is over. |
| 00:39.38 | duvy | zhobbs, Thanks. The sms messages are stored in the SIM phone book. |
| 00:41.29 | duvy | "The following code snippet demonstrates a static method to retrieve the ISimSms interface from Android:" and they list that method. I am not sure where that will go in the code so that I can use the iSms interface. |
| 00:44.59 | zhobbs | duvy: where you see that? |
| 00:45.29 | duvy | zhobbs, http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/telephony/gsm/ISms.html |
| 00:46.26 | duvy | and i want to use getAllMessagesFromSimEf() in particular. |
| 00:47.43 | zhobbs | that function returns an object that you can use gelAllMessagesFromSimEf() |
| 00:48.31 | zhobbs | damn, wonder why bundle lost putStringArray |
| 00:49.19 | duvy | I have imported the package android.telephony.gsm.* but when I try to implement the interface while defining the class (by giving - implements iSms), it cannot resolve the type |
| 00:50.13 | duvy | and I am not sure where that method to "pull" the interface from android is to be written. (along with the meaning of "retrieve the interface") |
| 00:50.13 | zhobbs | you don't want to implement iSms |
| 00:50.33 | duvy | what is the right way to go about using that interface? |
| 00:51.44 | zhobbs | via ISms.Stub |
| 00:52.06 | f00f- | ISms.Stub.asInterface(...) or something |
| 00:52.14 | zhobbs | yep |
| 00:52.18 | zhobbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.18 | zhobbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.18 | zhobbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.30 | zhobbs | ss.getAllMessagesFromSimEf(); |
| 00:52.52 | duvy | true, and where is IServiceManager defined? |
| 00:53.06 | duvy | as in is there a package which can be included? |
| 00:53.28 | zhobbs | yeah, press ctr+shit+o in eclipse |
| 00:55.29 | duvy | nothing happened |
| 00:55.50 | duvy | Says IServiceManager cannot be resolved to a type |
| 00:57.05 | zhobbs | is there an error up in your imports (maybe one with a $)? |
| 00:57.44 | zhobbs | anyone know if parcelables work with bundles? |
| 00:58.24 | duvy | zhobbs, nope, I am on Fedora eclipse if that helps |
| 00:58.43 | romainguy | zhobbs: looks like they do |
| 01:01.44 | zhobbs | romainguy: thanks |
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| 01:06.16 | duvy | zhobbs, Thanks! That shortcut was not there in Fedora eclipse but I found the option. Now it seems not to be recognizing ISimSms |
| 01:06.46 | duvy | IServiceManager got resolved fine |
| 01:07.13 | zhobbs | yeah, I see that...not sure what the deal is...might just be something wrong with the docs |
| 01:08.36 | duvy | zhobbs, Hmm, but I bet many interfaces in the documentation use the same techniques and I would not doubt the docs |
| 01:09.04 | zhobbs | hehe, I'm comfortable doubting the docs :) |
| 01:09.24 | f00f- | make sure you update your SDK jar file |
| 01:09.29 | f00f- | to be latest version |
| 01:09.34 | f00f- | (if you upgraded your SDK that is) |
| 01:09.47 | zhobbs | that's true, right click, android tools, fix project props |
| 01:10.22 | f00f- | even then it didn't do it for me, i had to update it manually |
| 01:10.32 | jasta | do you guys know if you can manage multiple cursors on an activity? |
| 01:11.04 | jasta | Ahh, looks like you can. |
| 01:12.42 | zhobbs | duvy: IServiceManager sm = ServiceManagerNative.getDefault(); |
| 01:12.42 | zhobbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.42 | zhobbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.48 | zhobbs | that works |
| 01:14.35 | duvy | zhobbs, doesn't work for me, any ideas? |
| 01:14.58 | zhobbs | what doesn't work? |
| 01:15.24 | duvy | It cannot resolve ISms |
| 01:16.26 | zhobbs | works for me with ct+sh+o |
| 01:16.27 | zhobbs | import android.telephony.gsm.ISms; |
| 01:17.38 | duvy | zhobbs, Ah it doesn't import that. Do you think it is because my sdk is older or something? |
| 01:17.51 | zhobbs | dunno |
| 01:17.55 | jasta | the eclipse plugin could be old |
| 01:18.12 | duvy | ok let me try upgrading it, thanks so far :) |
| 01:18.14 | jasta | or your project properties could be old, and referencing the old android.jar |
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| 01:21.44 | duvy | i am on m3, upgrading to m5 now. Hopefully that should solve the problem |
| 01:23.39 | duvy | zhobbs, Does getAllMessagesFromSimEf() work for you with that? Can you do a quick try? Thanks. |
| 01:23.53 | jasta | romainguy: You know how you were saying that it is important to reuse views in a listadapter to avoid unnecessary and excessive allocations? |
| 01:24.03 | jasta | romainguy: I think that you should be able to also re-use activity's in the same way. |
| 01:24.28 | jasta | that is, the views that are created in them. |
| 01:26.04 | jasta | imagine like a news reading application, where the user may open a post or a feed. they will be jumping between post list and post view screens very often, with all the overhead associated with creating new webviews and such each time. |
| 01:26.44 | jasta | it would seem to be much better if the activity had a way to dirty a view hierarchy when it stops and on next onCreate try to recall a dirty hierarchy stored somewhere. |
| 01:26.49 | jasta | or create a new one if none are available. |
| 01:27.03 | f00f- | can't you extend a View to do this? |
| 01:27.15 | romainguy | you can more or less do this with onFreeze/onResume/etc. |
| 01:27.56 | jasta | how would you? |
| 01:33.37 | zhobbs | Parcel.writeMap(Map) is marked depreciated in eclipse, but not in the docs |
| 01:33.52 | duvy | Looks like m5 breaks the XMPP service. Btw, has anybody found the location where the web browser's cookies are stored? |
| 01:34.18 | duvy | or bookmarks etc. |
| 01:34.40 | zhobbs | xmpp was renamed: http://code.google.com/android/migrating/m3-to-m5/m5-api-changes.html |
| 01:34.58 | jasta | duvy: that should be pretty obvious: /data/data/com.google.browser/databases |
| 01:35.06 | jasta | look in webview and browser.db |
| 01:35.22 | duvy | jasta, Oh! I'll check. Thanks! |
| 01:35.45 | jasta | that's how they're stored, though, not how you'd access them :) |
| 01:37.01 | f00f- | romainguy: will there be a way to set GTalk user/pass on consumer phones thru a built-in settings UI or should we handle user acct/pass in our apps? |
| 01:37.01 | romainguy | I have no idea |
| 01:37.01 | f00f- | so i should include a field for user/pass in my app? |
| 01:37.07 | jasta | i would assume that there will be something global for the phone |
| 01:37.23 | f00f- | i hope there is, since it'd be shared amongst many XMPP-enabled apps |
| 01:37.25 | jasta | but if you're trying to participate in the ADC, better assume nothing. |
| 01:37.43 | f00f- | agreed |
| 01:38.24 | duvy | jasta, so how do you go about reading them in your program? Possible? |
| 01:38.59 | jasta | duvy: I dunno, there would need to be a ContentProvider somewhere. |
| 01:39.20 | zhobbs | duvy: try searching docs/mailing lists |
| 01:39.44 | duvy | Right, I have been searching... |
| 01:40.23 | f00f- | think real hard if you actually need to access the raw cookies |
| 01:43.24 | duvy | I can't see any cookies in content provider but getting the bookmarks looks good. |
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| 01:53.57 | duvy | If SMS was not crazy enough, I cannot import android.provider.Browser either, ~sigh~ |
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| 02:09.41 | jasta | hmm |
| 02:09.47 | jasta | java.lang.IllegalAccessException: access to constructor not allowed |
| 02:10.19 | jasta | quoi? |
| 02:12.45 | jasta | seriously, what? |
| 02:12.52 | jasta | i can't figure out what the hell that means |
| 02:13.01 | jasta | i just tried calling startActivity |
| 02:14.27 | f00f- | maybe security settings? |
| 02:14.33 | f00f- | in your manifest |
| 02:14.42 | jasta | to start an activity in my own apckage? |
| 02:15.17 | f00f- | maybe it's in a private class |
| 02:15.54 | jasta | oh, weird, that was it. |
| 02:16.11 | jasta | i must have accidentally checked private when i created the class in Eclipse |
| 02:17.09 | romainguy | well, we could still instantiate it |
| 02:17.12 | romainguy | but that would be a bit rude |
| 02:17.21 | jasta | hehe |
| 02:26.03 | jasta | weird, exception browser. |
| 02:28.22 | zhobbs | I guess you can't setSelection() in a ListActivity until the list is done loading now? |
| 02:29.01 | romainguy | zhobbs: what do you mean by done loading? |
| 02:29.30 | zhobbs | I used to setSelection() shortly after setListAdapter() and it worked in M3 |
| 02:30.33 | romainguy | try to post that |
| 02:31.00 | zhobbs | actually, it's weird...it does work, just doesn't show the item as selected |
| 02:31.10 | zhobbs | but does scroll down and center the selected item |
| 02:31.18 | romainguy | ah you must be in touch mode then |
| 02:31.26 | romainguy | try to launch you app using the keyboard |
| 02:31.42 | romainguy | the next SDK should have listview focusable in touch mode by default |
| 02:32.16 | zhobbs | ok |
| 02:33.18 | zhobbs | It is a pain not having the xml for the android.R stuff...if I want to change the way one of the styles is slightly it's hard to know what to do |
| 02:36.00 | jasta | i second that |
| 02:42.30 | jasta | are there any api demos of the effect that we see used a lot in the maps applications? |
| 02:42.34 | jasta | little context popups all over |
| 02:42.51 | zhobbs | I don't think there's any map api demo |
| 02:42.58 | jasta | i dont mean the maps demo. |
| 02:43.08 | jasta | i mean the UI effects that it uses a lot of |
| 02:43.34 | jasta | like if you search and choose a single item, it opens this very nicely done context menu, partially translucent, on top of the map. |
| 02:43.42 | jasta | i'm interesting in using something like that in my application... |
| 02:43.59 | zhobbs | ahh, gotcha |
| 02:44.15 | jasta | it is a menu, or at least contains a listview |
| 02:44.23 | jasta | but its very elaborate and i like it a lot, i think it would be appropriate. |
| 02:45.05 | zhobbs | The directions is a transparent listview |
| 02:45.25 | jasta | i know that, but once you click on an item, you get something very different. |
| 02:45.38 | jasta | it's much more like the existing dialogs |
| 02:46.00 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 02:46.13 | zhobbs | Is there a way to do directions in MapView now? |
| 02:46.18 | jasta | yeah |
| 02:46.21 | jasta | err i dunno |
| 02:46.31 | jasta | thats really not what im interested in though :) |
| 02:46.37 | zhobbs | yeah, I know |
| 02:46.47 | jasta | maybe i can extend Dialog. |
| 02:48.16 | alphabeta2 | is it just me or do colors just not work out in android... |
| 02:48.36 | zhobbs | the scheme? |
| 02:49.02 | alphabeta2 | I've been fiddling for 3 days now and the relationship between the colors you set and the ones that show up seems convoluted and nonsensical |
| 02:49.46 | alphabeta2 | ex. set text color red, get dark grey. set a window with a completely transparent background tint blue, get solid black |
| 02:49.46 | jasta | well remember that it's a 16 bit server. |
| 02:49.51 | jasta | 16bpp, that is. |
| 02:50.03 | jasta | oh, that...i dunno :) |
| 02:50.13 | alphabeta2 | i dont just mean they're not perfect. they're downright backwards :( |
| 02:50.18 | zhobbs | hmm, I haven't had those problems |
| 02:50.41 | alphabeta2 | really? I'm doing the simplest layouts via xml and textColor simply doesnt do anything |
| 02:50.48 | zhobbs | I've used #aarrggbb and get what I ask for |
| 02:50.54 | alphabeta2 | setting color by code just turns out flat wrong (but at least it works) |
| 02:51.01 | alphabeta2 | by works i mean does SOMETHING |
| 02:51.02 | zhobbs | alphabeta2: what code? |
| 02:51.20 | alphabeta2 | textView.set\Color |
| 02:51.32 | zhobbs | Oh, in code? |
| 02:51.32 | alphabeta2 | *setTextColor |
| 02:51.34 | alphabeta2 | yeah |
| 02:51.54 | alphabeta2 | i use colors defined in colors.xml in #aarrggbb |
| 02:52.20 | alphabeta2 | funny thing is solid backgrounds work.. (blue background is blue background) |
| 02:52.33 | alphabeta2 | but once I add transparency it goes all out of whack |
| 02:52.48 | alphabeta2 | and anything to do with text colors turns out wrong |
| 02:53.26 | alphabeta2 | ex. I have an activity with a clear background, works ok. copy and paste the window blur/tinting from the api demo translucent_fancy, turns solid black |
| 02:53.43 | zhobbs | Are you using it like setTextColor(getResources().getColor(R.color.overlay_blue)) ? |
| 02:56.46 | alphabeta2 | haha. well THAT was dumb of me |
| 02:56.52 | zhobbs | if you just use R.color.red you'll set the color to the ID of that resource |
| 02:57.09 | alphabeta2 | but in my defense I only tried setting by code once, jsut to test if that did anything |
| 02:57.19 | zhobbs | sure sure :) |
| 02:57.32 | alphabeta2 | everything else is by xml (except the blur/tinting, but I yanked that code straight out of the demo) |
| 02:57.47 | alphabeta2 | its getting frustrating :( |
| 02:58.09 | alphabeta2 | as if the android:textColor flag simply doesnt do anything |
| 02:59.04 | zhobbs | are you using a theme? |
| 02:59.33 | zhobbs | http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=149 |
| 02:59.53 | alphabeta2 | well, that explains that... |
| 03:00.06 | zhobbs | :) |
| 03:00.11 | alphabeta2 | you've been very helpful :) |
| 03:00.26 | alphabeta2 | still baffled over the blur/tinting thing.. |
| 03:01.02 | alphabeta2 | I've also found layouts to be very clumsy at times.. |
| 03:01.36 | alphabeta2 | things like layout_centerHorizontal actually growing the container x2 |
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| 03:23.01 | duvy | There isn't any way to pull out the data from the sqlite3 databases to the host computer (from adb), or am I clearly missing something? |
| 03:23.39 | jasta | sure there is. adb pull to downloda the .db file and then just open it and use it. |
| 03:24.05 | jasta | sqlite3's db format is standard and portable. |
| 03:24.42 | duvy | jasta, Thanks. I have been thinking of ways to get the lower level data and this might be an ugly solution, but no choice |
| 03:25.05 | jasta | what? i sense that you are VERY misguided. |
| 03:26.12 | duvy | jasta, what I meant is - ideally I would want to read this in my application directly. This is not working for things like the Browser data using content providers |
| 03:26.36 | jasta | are you certain that you are not simply using it wrong? |
| 03:26.53 | jasta | perhaps you should ask on android-developers to be sure. |
| 03:27.41 | duvy | The browser class is not implemented in m3 at least. I'll port later to m5... |
| 03:30.37 | jasta | ugh |
| 03:30.54 | jasta | i'm not going to convince you to do the right thing. |
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| 04:11.42 | fgleich | are these apk packages supposed to run on any mobile phone ? |
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| 04:13.15 | Dan_U | fgleich: No, just phones using android platform |
| 04:14.04 | fgleich | is it possible to convert apk to jar format ? |
| 04:14.38 | Dan_U | I believe just change the filename to .jar |
| 04:15.17 | fgleich | thanks, I'll try that |
| 04:17.27 | jasta | fgleich: but that won't let you run it on an existing phone. |
| 04:18.41 | fgleich | why is that ? |
| 04:19.49 | fgleich | ok bbl |
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| 04:34.47 | duvy | Are there no network interfaces on the sdk? java.net.NetworkInterface.getNetworkInterfaces() throws an exception... |
| 04:36.33 | romainguy__ | re |
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| 04:39.47 | duvy | sorry? |
| 04:41.09 | romainguy__ | alphabeta2: things like layout_centerHorizontal actually growing the container x2 << I just fixed a bug about this |
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| 06:58.01 | jerkface03 | so how are keycode inputs ordered? keycodes == ascii keycodes? |
| 07:01.34 | romainguy___ | hmmm |
| 07:01.37 | romainguy___ | let me check jerkface03 |
| 07:02.33 | romainguy_ | jerkface03: they are in alphabetical order but it's not the ascii codes |
| 07:02.50 | jerkface03 | what about non-standard characters? |
| 07:06.15 | romainguy_ | like what? |
| 07:07.12 | jerkface03 | like you know |
| 07:07.29 | jerkface03 | french accent's for Es |
| 07:07.32 | jerkface03 | how are they ordered? |
| 07:07.37 | jerkface03 | http://tlt.psu.edu/suggestions/international/bylanguage/french.html |
| 07:07.57 | romainguy_ | french accents are not non-standards |
| 07:08.01 | romainguy_ | they even exist in ASCII |
| 07:08.11 | romainguy_ | (I'm French btw :) |
| 07:08.32 | romainguy_ | I don't know how our input methods are implemented unforunately |
| 07:08.44 | jerkface03 | ya but you said keycodes were ordered alphabetically, so does it go standard A,B,C,D,E, accent a grav E, accent a gu E? |
| 07:08.50 | jerkface03 | hrm k |
| 07:08.53 | romainguy_ | nope |
| 07:08.58 | romainguy_ | I just looked at KeyEvent |
| 07:09.05 | romainguy_ | and KeyEvent only contains the keycodes for physical keys |
| 07:09.22 | romainguy_ | at this point, it's only a the base 26-letters alphabet |
| 07:09.30 | romainguy_ | + a bunch of other keys like slash, dpad, etc. |
| 07:10.08 | jerkface03 | hrm k |
| 07:10.11 | jerkface03 | thx |
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| 07:14.13 | romainguy___ | jerkface03: why did you want to know this? |
| 07:14.49 | jerkface03 | curiosity mostly |
| 07:15.03 | romainguy___ | ok ^^ |
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| 08:12.30 | jerkface03 | romainguy___: is there any method provided to get the corresponding char of a keycode (when applicable)? |
| 08:13.43 | romainguy | jerkface03: I would look at EditText's input method, but I have no more details than that |
| 08:13.54 | jerkface03 | kk |
| 08:13.55 | jerkface03 | thx |
| 08:14.17 | Tobsn | http://rapidshare.com/files/74276020/Cryptography.for.Dummies.2004.upload_by_craph.rar |
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| 08:38.20 | davidw | hey dudes |
| 08:39.01 | jerkface03 | sup dave |
| 08:39.04 | romainguy | hoy |
| 08:39.59 | davidw | si`, hoy, no manana y no ayer |
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| 09:14.29 | jasta | romainguy: is it possible to write your own custom animations? |
| 09:14.37 | jasta | or rather, is it easy to do so? |
| 09:15.05 | jasta | i thought it might be neat to have an animation that winds the progress of a progressbar back to 0 |
| 09:15.22 | romainguy | jasta: yes |
| 09:15.34 | jasta | of course i could just do this with a timer and all that junk, but an animation seems like the right way to generalize |
| 09:15.36 | romainguy | jasta: look at Rotation3d.java in ApiDemos |
| 09:15.48 | jasta | ahh, beautiful, thanks |
| 09:17.42 | romainguy | note there are a bunch of animations available already |
| 09:17.51 | jasta | i know, i see them. |
| 09:17.58 | jasta | alpha, rotate, scale, and translate, yeah? |
| 09:18.02 | romainguy | yep |
| 09:18.05 | romainguy | but for instance |
| 09:18.15 | romainguy | guess how the indeterminate progress bar is animated? |
| 09:18.20 | romainguy | it uses an alpha animation :) |
| 09:18.38 | romainguy | and just translate the supplied value to a "level" passed to the backround drawable |
| 09:18.57 | jasta | hmm, interesting. |
| 09:19.28 | romainguy | but writing a custom one is very easy too |
| 09:19.50 | jasta | this system seems very powerful. i have already utilized a simple translate and alpha animation in my application |
| 09:20.00 | jasta | to kind of liven up my UI when state changes |
| 09:20.01 | romainguy | it is quite versatile |
| 09:20.13 | romainguy | the new layout animations is pretty nifty too I think :) |
| 09:20.20 | jasta | yeah, agreed |
| 09:25.55 | jasta | romainguy: if i call startAnimation on a View, will it cancel any previously animations? |
| 09:26.57 | jasta | previously running animations, I mean. |
| 09:27.55 | jasta | suppose that my view is to fade in on one event, and fade out on another. if those events fire in unusually rapid succession, i want to make sure the fade animation is consistent with what the user expects to see. |
| 09:39.33 | romainguy___ | unfortunately right now it will replace the current animation |
| 09:39.41 | romainguy___ | I would like to add a reverse() method on animations |
| 09:39.55 | romainguy___ | which would reverse the current animation from its current state |
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| 09:40.46 | jerkface03 | any of the guys have any tips on reducing the startup time for the emu? |
| 09:41.02 | jasta | never close it? :) |
| 09:41.08 | romainguy_ | jerkface03: don't close it :) |
| 09:41.17 | romainguy_ | consider yourself lucky |
| 09:41.19 | jerkface03 | will that work tho? if i relaunch in eclipse? |
| 09:41.26 | jasta | jerkface03: yes. |
| 09:41.34 | romainguy_ | when you work on the UI toolkit like me, you HAVE to restart the system for every change you make :) |
| 09:41.44 | jerkface03 | aye :) |
| 09:41.57 | romainguy_ | (and I cannot use the Eclipse plugin :) |
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| 09:46.14 | drwx | Hi I'm trying to add an application to the emulator of sdk_m5 using adb but it dont works, do you know why? |
| 09:46.48 | drwx | ./adb install app.apk |
| 09:47.06 | jasta | how could we? you haven't provided any information. |
| 09:48.19 | romainguy_ | http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/bdf965219e4f543?hl=en |
| 09:48.40 | romainguy_ | Yay, a micro benchmark with no relevant information about the context nor the data |
| 09:49.40 | jasta | Hehe. |
| 09:50.26 | jasta | You could always ask him to provide some background, although he's probably a complete idiot and won't understand what you mean. |
| 09:50.46 | romainguy_ | There are so many variables in such a benchmark |
| 09:50.56 | romainguy_ | Especially since we changed so many APIs and implementations in M5 |
| 09:50.58 | romainguy_ | Ah well |
| 09:51.06 | romainguy_ | I know for sure that the UI toolkit is a lot faster :) |
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| 09:51.58 | romainguy_ | (we draw faster screens and animations although there are twice the amount of pixels in HVGA compared to QVGA :) |
| 09:52.07 | romainguy_ | that said |
| 09:52.09 | romainguy_ | good night |
| 09:52.29 | jasta | night romain |
| 09:55.55 | drwx | are apk package compatible from sdk m3 to sdk m5? |
| 09:56.22 | jasta | in a sense, yes. the apk file format has not changed. the APIs, however, hvae changed substantially |
| 09:57.10 | jasta | i would not expect that applications written and built against m3 can be installed on m5. |
| 09:58.37 | drwx | I'm try to install this application on m5 http://davanum.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/android-just-use-smack-api-for-xmpp/ , it works on m3 but not m5 |
| 09:58.59 | jasta | great, but what did i just say? |
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| 09:59.53 | davidw | jasta, hey, do you think my old applications will install on m5? |
| 10:00.04 | jasta | hehe |
| 10:01.28 | drwx | I'm sorry my english is not perfect. So I have to rebuild this package on m5, true? |
| 10:01.53 | jasta | Yes, and you will almost certainly need to update code in multiple places. |
| 10:02.16 | jasta | Lots has changed from m3; read the overview available on Android's site. |
| 10:02.41 | drwx | hum... ok thank you |
| 10:03.36 | jerkface03 | very strange |
| 10:03.42 | jerkface03 | my view isn't getting any keyDown() events |
| 10:03.48 | jerkface03 | i wonder what i did wrong ;x |
| 10:09.01 | jerkface03 | ahh |
| 10:09.03 | jerkface03 | there we go |
| 10:09.09 | jerkface03 | i forget to set the view to be focusable |
| 10:09.43 | jerkface03 | jasta: seriously, that tip about not closing the emulator has literally shaved like a minute and a half of downtime |
| 10:09.57 | jasta | i can't believe you didn't know that |
| 10:10.25 | jerkface03 | well, you know how things can be sometimes. you end up trying everything but the most obvious |
| 10:10.35 | jasta | you actually can't install applications with the emulator offline. |
| 10:10.45 | jasta | so it would make sense that you wouldn't need to turn it off to install them :) |
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| 10:26.05 | jasta | hmm, i wonder how i can get the IMEI number of the phone |
| 10:26.18 | davidw | it's pretty easy... |
| 10:26.23 | davidw | it's just a property |
| 10:26.50 | jasta | ahh, so it is. |
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| 13:19.59 | chomchom | hello people. Its the weekend YaY! I'm going to do some android and catch up with all you lurkers that have been in here night and day all week! |
| 13:20.56 | chomchom | Look forward to sharing my app with everyone so we can all 'coo' over one another's neat ideas. |
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| 15:34.20 | chomchom | I have a question about styles. |
| 15:34.23 | chomchom | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.24 | chomchom | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.24 | chomchom | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.24 | chomchom | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.24 | chomchom | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.40 | chomchom | in the demo this is how a style is applied for a small button |
| 15:35.36 | chomchom | If I wanted to use one of the graphics for a small right/left button, but also include other styling elements such as gravity and column span, how could I do that? |
| 15:36.16 | chomchom | Because the one used in the demo is a android theme and I can't apply two styles at once? |
| 15:36.57 | chomchom | So what I'm saying is I'm unsure how to leverage the graphical buttons used in google's theme in my own theme. |
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| 15:43.06 | chomchom | I look in the styles.xml bundled with the demo and there is no mention of the android attr. So I guessed you had to set the attr field as an item in your own style like: <style name="small"> |
| 15:43.06 | chomchom | <item name="android:attr">buttonStyleSmall</item> |
| 15:43.06 | chomchom | </style> |
| 15:43.56 | chomchom | but that doesn't seem to work. As the builder complains: No resource found that matches the given name attribute: 'android:attr' value: 'id' |
| 15:46.48 | zhobbs | chomchom: android:attr is built into sdk |
| 15:47.38 | chomchom | So how do I reference that I wish to use a certain style of button in my own style? |
| 15:47.51 | zhobbs | I think you want to use a selector |
| 15:48.08 | chomchom | A selector eh? |
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| 15:48.13 | zhobbs | s |
| 15:48.15 | zhobbs | woops |
| 15:48.48 | zhobbs | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> |
| 15:48.48 | zhobbs | <selector xmlns:android="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/android"> |
| 15:48.48 | zhobbs | <item android:state_focused="true" android:state_selected="false" android:drawable="@drawable/selector_bg" /> |
| 15:48.48 | zhobbs | <item android:state_focused="true" android:state_selected="true" android:drawable="@drawable/selector_bg_selected" /> |
| 15:48.49 | zhobbs | </selector> |
| 15:50.04 | zhobbs | you stick that in your res/drawable |
| 15:50.08 | chomchom | ok, so what you are saying is that I just stick the icon graphics into my resources and then reference their drawable value in my style |
| 15:50.11 | chomchom | yeah cool |
| 15:50.18 | zhobbs | then you set android:background="@drawable/selector" |
| 15:50.32 | zhobbs | I need to write a tutorial on that cause it's 100% not documented |
| 15:51.13 | chomchom | is the idea of a selector some sort of pattern because I thought you were meaning something like java.nio.channels.Selector |
| 15:51.14 | zhobbs | and you can create more entries in the selector for different states, etc |
| 15:51.41 | zhobbs | it's a way to customize imagebuttons, buttons, listview items, etc |
| 15:51.49 | zhobbs | good luck, bbl |
| 15:52.11 | chomchom | zhobbs: cool thx for that |
| 16:07.25 | chomchom | android:background="@drawable/mybutton_background" was what I was after without realising it. |
| 16:08.26 | chomchom | and you create that as a file in the drawable folder, as Zhobbs said |
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| 18:05.13 | dobau | I am trying to do one application using android, and need make some like this <tablerow><textview /></tablerow><tablerow><textview /><textview /></tablerow> when I execute my code it show me the first textview just with 50% of the screen, is there some attr for use like colspan on html ? |
| 18:06.42 | chomchom | You assign individual entries in your table with a col like <style name="button_forwardPeriod"> |
| 18:06.42 | chomchom | <item name="android:layout_column">5</item> |
| 18:08.11 | dobau | hmm, nice |
| 18:08.14 | dobau | thanks chomchom |
| 18:08.20 | chomchom | np |
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| 18:39.13 | zhobbs | chomchom: you get the selector to work? |
| 18:39.55 | chomchom | yes and no. I got it to work for a while and then went and refactored a bit, now its messed up. |
| 18:40.10 | chomchom | I exploded the android jar to see what they were doing |
| 18:40.17 | chomchom | so now I get the gist |
| 18:41.13 | chomchom | Do you have to reference the selectors in the AndroidManifest.xml ? If so where? |
| 18:45.14 | zhobbs | no |
| 18:45.21 | zhobbs | just gotta put them in drawable |
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| 19:14.04 | chomchom | hmmm, and you declare them as: <item name="android:src">@drawable/myButton</item> ? |
| 19:17.36 | zhobbs | <item android:state_focused="true" android:state_selected="true" android:drawable="@drawable/selector_bg_selected" /> |
| 19:17.47 | zhobbs | All in a <selector> |
| 19:26.38 | chomchom | did that, but referenced the selector theme by putting <item name="android:src">@drawable/myButton</item> as the style |
| 19:27.45 | zhobbs | ok, and there is an xml file myButton.xml in res/drawable? |
| 19:28.01 | chomchom | yeah. |
| 19:28.36 | zhobbs | Now that is going to define that actual button in that selector |
| 19:28.45 | zhobbs | not an overlay on the button |
| 19:28.48 | zhobbs | or under the button |
| 19:29.09 | zhobbs | actually, sorry, that needs to be for an imagebutton |
| 19:29.28 | zhobbs | for a regular button I've only tried with android:background |
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| 19:30.18 | chomchom | that was blinking it |
| 19:30.18 | chomchom | how silly |
| 19:30.21 | romainguy_ | you cannot use a selector for android:src |
| 19:30.24 | romainguy_ | just for the background |
| 19:30.32 | chomchom | I changed it to src when I was using a single image |
| 19:31.10 | zhobbs | from the source :) |
| 19:31.19 | chomchom | Thx. I now have custom buttons. |
| 19:31.41 | zhobbs | romainguy_: you can for an ImageButton |
| 19:33.59 | chomchom | I take it we are allowed to use all the icons in the demo for our apps. It would be good if they were in a folder with the sdk instead of having to explode the jar and get them out. It would encourage use. |
| 19:36.50 | romainguy_ | zhobbs: hmm sorry, you're right |
| 19:37.19 | romainguy_ | chomchom: the icons from ApiDemos? |
| 19:37.25 | zhobbs | zhobbs: 1 romainguy_ : 38982 |
| 19:37.31 | chomchom | yeah |
| 19:37.49 | romainguy_ | zhobbs: but now reading the code I'm not sure it supports selector on its background ^^ |
| 19:38.02 | zhobbs | for imagebutton? |
| 19:38.15 | romainguy_ | chomchom: I don't think we want to encourage the reuse of the icons used in ApiDe,os |
| 19:38.17 | romainguy_ | ApiDemos |
| 19:38.27 | chomchom | Ah right |
| 19:38.53 | chomchom | Wouldn't it be a good investment to have one set of really good UI icons to give away? |
| 19:39.15 | romainguy_ | yes |
| 19:39.25 | romainguy_ | but we have other priorities right now :) |
| 19:39.40 | chomchom | Would guarantee some sort of quality of user experience |
| 19:39.42 | chomchom | yeah |
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| 19:49.44 | romainguy_ | chomchom: You know, I don't want to sound pedantic, but we do thing about that kind of stuff :) |
| 19:50.04 | romainguy_ | but before doing this, we have to get a final UI |
| 19:50.08 | romainguy_ | and make everything work :) |
| 19:50.15 | chomchom | of course man :), just making chat. |
| 19:50.20 | romainguy_ | :)) |
| 19:50.28 | romainguy_ | I guess I read the mailing list too much ^^ |
| 19:51.19 | chomchom | I'm really enjoying the mailing list as well. Get the digest every day on my iphone to poke through on the train. |
| 19:51.31 | chomchom | Nice to see such a fledgling community |
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| 19:51.46 | CubaCola | hi |
| 19:51.59 | chomchom | hello |
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| 19:53.59 | CubaCola | i own a e2831 phone & it seems android work with it; do you have any idea how could i install it on my phone ? |
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| 20:04.38 | chomchom | I think I may have found another bug. Would appreciate if someone could verify it, otherwise I'll just log it as an issue. |
| 20:05.06 | romainguy_ | chomchom: waht is it? |
| 20:06.10 | chomchom | I have a style applied to a button that specifies the android:layout_width to be something large like 150sp and that works fine |
| 20:06.56 | chomchom | put the exact same style in a tablelayout's row and it doesn't apply the size increase |
| 20:06.56 | romainguy_ | er |
| 20:06.56 | romainguy_ | you apply this style to a TableRow? |
| 20:07.12 | chomchom | no, to a button within a ro |
| 20:07.15 | chomchom | w |
| 20:07.20 | romainguy_ | ah |
| 20:07.46 | romainguy_ | TableRow will ignore that I think |
| 20:07.52 | romainguy_ | because it resizes all the items |
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| 20:08.54 | romainguy_ | romainguy_: er nope, it does not ignore that setting |
| 20:09.06 | romainguy_ | it should work |
| 20:09.33 | chomchom | should I log it as an issue or as a request? |
| 20:09.55 | romainguy_ | do you have an example I could compile and run? |
| 20:10.25 | chomchom | I could make a quick one yeah |
| 20:10.36 | romainguy_ | ok cool, can you mail it to me at romain.guy@mac.com? |
| 20:10.40 | romainguy_ | I'll take a look at it asap |
| 20:10.47 | romainguy_ | I might have fixed this issue this week |
| 20:10.47 | chomchom | cool |
| 20:24.32 | CubaCola | Is there someone from the e28 staff there ? |
| 20:27.43 | chomchom | romainguy_:thats a demo sent to you. |
| 20:27.51 | romainguy_ | thanks chomchom |
| 20:28.01 | romainguy_ | what should I be seeing? |
| 20:28.52 | chomchom | the widths of the outer buttons appear much larger than the inner buttons. The inner buttons are not affected by any width styleing values you choose to apply. |
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| 20:41.42 | chomchom | Dearie me thats annoying, going to have to resort to shims in a LinearTextLayout. All very web 1.0 :) |
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| 20:43.33 | romainguy | chomchom: are you running this sample on M3 or M5? |
| 20:44.21 | chomchom | M5 |
| 20:44.47 | romainguy | hmm weird |
| 20:45.24 | romainguy | ok I can reproduce the bug |
| 20:45.44 | chomchom | erm, cool I think :) |
| 20:45.51 | romainguy | for you :) |
| 20:46.00 | chomchom | not really :( |
| 20:47.47 | romainguy | ok I see what's going on |
| 20:47.57 | chomchom | Ok I'll log it as an issue and attatch the demo |
| 20:48.03 | romainguy | no need |
| 20:48.06 | romainguy | I'll log it myself |
| 20:48.07 | romainguy | :) |
| 20:48.14 | chomchom | ok thats great thank you |
| 20:48.28 | romainguy | It's not really a bug, it's more something I didn't think of |
| 20:48.37 | romainguy | the fix should be quite easy |
| 20:48.57 | chomchom | well... a functional bug :) |
| 20:49.08 | romainguy | ;-) |
| 20:49.12 | chomchom | But I don't suppose we should see a fix until after the submission date |
| 20:49.22 | romainguy | unless there's a new SDK since then... |
| 20:49.40 | romainguy | however, you can work around this bug if you want |
| 20:49.44 | romainguy | but that involves subclassing Button |
| 20:49.53 | chomchom | yes I would very much like that |
| 20:50.28 | romainguy | so subclass Button |
| 20:50.52 | romainguy | override the method called onMeasure() |
| 20:50.55 | romainguy | call super.onMeasure() |
| 20:51.12 | romainguy | then call setMeasuredDimension(150, getMeasuredHeight()) |
| 20:51.15 | romainguy | that should work |
| 20:51.30 | chomchom | excellent, thank you very much |
| 20:51.32 | romainguy | note that this will limit the width to 150 |
| 20:51.41 | romainguy | you might want to do Math.max(150, getMeasuredWidth()) instead |
| 20:51.48 | romainguy | that's basically what I'm adding to TableRow |
| 20:52.01 | chomchom | cool |
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| 21:01.50 | romainguy | chomchom: ok it's fixed |
| 21:02.07 | romainguy | chomchom: I just need to write a unit test and it'll be in the next SDK |
| 21:02.39 | chomchom | excellent, can't wait for that 2month development gap fill! :) |
| 21:03.00 | romainguy | :)) |
| 21:08.55 | jasta | yawn |
| 21:09.16 | jasta | romainguy: i hate to say it because you're so damn helpful, but don't you like do stuff ever? :) |
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| 21:09.31 | jasta | you're here until midnight or later most nights, then i assume you work all day? and on weekends? |
| 21:09.39 | romainguy | not really :) |
| 21:09.46 | jasta | yo udon't work all day? :) |
| 21:09.50 | chomchom | thats a bit harsh, this is his job |
| 21:09.50 | romainguy | this week has been very busy |
| 21:10.17 | jasta | fair enough :) |
| 21:12.12 | romainguy | I'd rather be doing something else but we have tons of work to do :( |
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| 21:13.29 | jasta | maybe google should hire some new folks ;) |
| 21:13.37 | romainguy | oh don't worry |
| 21:13.48 | romainguy | but there's still a lot to do :) |
| 21:18.20 | jasta | i believe you hehe |
| 21:18.46 | jasta | gotta run, going to see Jumper (oh god, I can't believe my friends talked me into this) |
| 21:19.40 | romainguy | I read the book |
| 21:19.40 | romainguy | it liked it |
| 21:19.51 | romainguy | I don't know how the movie will be though |
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| 22:07.32 | jasta | wait, i was mistaken. movie at 4 ;) |
| 22:09.08 | Tobsn | http://www.dems.gov/index.asp?Type=B_PR&SEC=%7BD68CD0B2-1442-4804-9F6B-AF67DE7FF585%7D&DE=%7BFDD09C4F-E958-4E13-A92B-179C2FAC6FEA%7D&Design=PrintView |
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| 22:11.31 | jasta | is this #politics? |
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| 22:22.09 | f00f- | how do i specify an @ sign as part of a string in a values .xml files? |
| 22:22.26 | f00f- | it's trying to interpret @domain.com as some reference like @string/xxx |
| 22:22.39 | f00f- | even @domain.com doenst work |
| 22:28.28 | romainguy | f00f-: you can put it in strings.xml and reference that string from your xml |
| 22:32.11 | jasta | that is what you should do with all your string literals, really. that way, your application can be easily internationalized. |
| 22:32.16 | jasta | i am pleased that Google thought of that :) |
| 22:33.12 | romainguy___ | in our source tree, compiling fails if your strings are not in strings.xml :) |
| 22:33.37 | jasta | very nice. most of my string literals are scattered throughout my program, but i intend to tidy up soon :) |
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| 22:53.25 | jasta | wow, my ADC project is already up to 7K loc |
| 22:53.57 | jasta | in like, a month and a half. |
| 22:54.15 | romainguy___ | writing thousands of line is not the hard part :) |
| 22:54.34 | jasta | i know, i'm just surprised i've written so much already |
| 22:54.35 | f00f- | romainguy___: that's exactly what i'm trying to do but it doesnt accept a string that starts with @ |
| 22:54.48 | romainguy___ | f00f-: in strings.xml? |
| 22:54.53 | f00f- | yes |
| 22:55.00 | jasta | oh, he's right. |
| 22:55.04 | romainguy___ | I have an example of such a thing in front of me |
| 22:55.17 | jasta | he's definitely right, i just tested it. |
| 22:55.24 | jasta | <string name="foo">@whatever</string> is an error. |
| 22:55.30 | f00f- | it says "No resource type specified (at 'blah' with value '@domain.com') |
| 22:55.48 | romainguy_ | aah |
| 22:55.48 | romainguy_ | sorry |
| 22:55.50 | romainguy_ | try this: |
| 22:55.55 | jasta | it is only an error if the @ appears at the beginning of the string |
| 22:56.02 | f00f- | right |
| 22:56.03 | romainguy_ | <string name="foo">"@mystring"</string> |
| 22:56.18 | duey | thats... |
| 22:56.20 | jasta | are you freaking serious? |
| 22:56.46 | duey | lol |
| 22:56.48 | duey | thats funny |
| 22:56.54 | jasta | that's totally messed up |
| 22:57.17 | f00f- | beautiful, it works now |
| 22:57.20 | jasta | that should be changed to have <stringref name="foo">@bar</string> |
| 22:57.57 | f00f- | ihaha |
| 22:58.03 | romainguy_ | it's just an escape mechanism |
| 22:58.10 | romainguy_ | I don't believe having a different tag would be better |
| 22:58.26 | romainguy_ | it's no worse than the good old \ escape character |
| 22:58.42 | jasta | it shouldn't even be there. you can't have a reference and a literal occupying the same logical space, with some goofy character triggering difference. |
| 22:58.56 | jasta | the difference* |
| 22:59.13 | jasta | romainguy_: It's very different in the XML scope. You can't do this crap :) |
| 22:59.26 | romainguy_ | sure |
| 22:59.28 | jasta | and in fact, it should be <stringref name="foo">bar</stringref> the @ should go away completely. |
| 22:59.33 | romainguy_ | but we do |
| 22:59.41 | romainguy_ | file a bug if you want |
| 23:00.07 | jasta | oh i will, but i haven't even put my arms down yet. |
| 23:04.50 | jasta | just did |
| 23:06.00 | jasta | romainguy_: not your bug, but i'm kind of offended by that sloppiness :) |
| 23:06.16 | romainguy_ | jasta: sure, whatever :) |
| 23:10.45 | duey | ++:D |
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