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| 01:06.38 | chomchom | everyones very quiet. |
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| 01:12.46 | marvinalone | will i burn in hell if i create a thread that manipulates gui objects? |
| 01:13.23 | chomchom | I'm not a veteran in synchronisation of GUI threads |
| 01:13.35 | marvinalone | am i already in hell if i am even considering such a thing? |
| 01:13.38 | chomchom | but I'd suggest that all gui stuff take place on the one thread |
| 01:14.30 | marvinalone | chomchom: see, that's how i'm used to it. you spawn a thread and it puts messages into the gui's message queue (or, i suppose, intents). but with android, im not sure if things are still the same. |
| 01:14.37 | chomchom | I guess its just good judgement. There shouldn't be any heavy lifting done by the gui anyway |
| 01:16.20 | f00f- | you can always post a runnable |
| 01:16.22 | f00f- | new in m5 !! |
| 01:16.41 | marvinalone | f00f: woha, i'm not on m5 yet |
| 01:16.49 | marvinalone | f00f-: either way, how does that work? |
| 01:17.07 | marvinalone | f00f-: where do i post it? |
| 01:17.10 | f00f- | view.post(Runnable) or somesuch |
| 01:17.25 | f00f- | "android.view.View now lets you post a Runnable in the UI thread with the methods post(Runnable) and postDelayed(Runnable, long). This can be used as an alternative to creating a Handler in a subclass or in an application." |
| 01:17.36 | romainguy___ | marvinalone: will i burn in hell if i create a thread that manipulates gui objects? << don't do it |
| 01:17.47 | romainguy___ | at least, if you want your application to work |
| 01:18.18 | romainguy___ | marvinalone: in M3 you can just create a new Handler and post(Runnable) |
| 01:19.21 | marvinalone | it seems i should read up on the Handler stuff |
| 01:21.53 | chomchom | It's like you have listeners for clicks and gui interactions, you have handlers for the intents of Actions |
| 01:22.12 | romainguy_ | chomchom: not really |
| 01:22.24 | romainguy_ | a Handle is an interface to the event processing queue |
| 01:23.04 | chomchom | ah ok |
| 01:25.13 | f00f- | personally i love the Stub.asInterface(bleh) stuff |
| 01:25.15 | f00f- | i think it's super cool |
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| 01:31.54 | marvinalone | so ... if i'm writing a network client that keeps a connection open to a server, and might pop up various Activities because of some stuff that came in from the network ... the Android way to model that is to handle the connection in a service, and communicate with the Activities using Intents, correct? |
| 01:32.21 | f00f- | yeah, that's the way i'd do it |
| 01:32.29 | f00f- | you don't want to be bringing up UI's from the Service |
| 01:32.30 | chomchom | have a service |
| 01:32.43 | chomchom | that you can post intents to |
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| 01:33.37 | f00f- | fucking firefox |
| 01:33.47 | f00f- | why does it suck :( |
| 01:34.20 | chomchom | ! I like firefox, the memory hog that it is |
| 01:34.39 | f00f- | i hit ctrl-t and it just opened 100+ (Untitled) tabs |
| 01:35.17 | chomchom | I think thats your *cough* 'sticky' keyboard. |
| 01:35.32 | f00f- | oh my |
| 01:35.33 | f00f- | probably |
| 01:35.38 | marvinalone | oh, so the intents go both ways. service sends intent saying "X happened on the network", which may pop up a new activity, or be handled by one that's currently one screen. then the user does Y and the activity sends an intent back that says "User did Y", which the service intercepts and sends to the network |
| 01:35.51 | marvinalone | somehow i was under the assumption that services only send intents, not receive them |
| 01:36.08 | f00f- | you could, if you use a ServiceConnection then it's somewhat synchronous |
| 01:36.19 | f00f- | your ACtivity can call a func from the service |
| 01:36.25 | f00f- | it can return |
| 01:36.47 | f00f- | or it can do something like E_WOULDBLOCK (linux joke) |
| 01:36.55 | f00f- | and return an intent later with the requested info |
| 01:37.28 | f00f- | since the Service might not have the info at this time |
| 01:37.50 | marvinalone | f00f-: that makes a lot of sense |
| 01:38.37 | marvinalone | is intent dispatch quick? |
| 01:38.49 | f00f- | if it's within a process, it's just a direct function call |
| 01:38.55 | f00f- | but it still has some overhead |
| 01:39.00 | f00f- | from what i understand |
| 01:39.11 | f00f- | meant to be fairly light, though |
| 01:39.38 | marvinalone | i guess it's hard to know without any actual phones |
| 01:39.55 | f00f- | emulator should be close to actual performance |
| 01:40.09 | f00f- | damn, i just lost a folder of music |
| 01:40.12 | f00f- | due to this stupid keyboard issue |
| 01:42.30 | f00f- | i dont know why i put up with linux on the desktop |
| 01:42.38 | f00f- | i guess it's the eye candy and performance |
| 01:42.48 | f00f- | i'm sacrificing feature-completeness and stability :X |
| 01:43.07 | f00f- | my android development is ~30% more productive on linux |
| 01:43.11 | f00f- | wrt windows |
| 01:43.13 | chomchom | heh, its nice to try. You just feel like you are doing the right thing |
| 01:43.28 | f00f- | when i'm really shooting myself in the foot, multiple times |
| 01:44.14 | chomchom | I've used a few flavours of linux and there's been ups and downs but is definitely beneficial from a learning perspective. |
| 01:44.31 | chomchom | But now I have switched to osx |
| 01:44.54 | f00f- | chomchom: i'm not willing to give up just yet :) |
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| 01:58.33 | f00f- | what's the best way to share a common set of menu's across ACtivities in the same package? |
| 01:58.49 | f00f- | chomchom: you're right this was a $12 keyboard from Fry's |
| 01:59.05 | chomchom | heh |
| 02:00.33 | chomchom | a common set of menus? Abstract them out. |
| 02:01.03 | f00f- | i gues... each activity will inherit one common menu group |
| 02:01.15 | f00f- | and their checked states need to be consistent |
| 02:06.24 | chomchom | For instance you could pull out the options menu into a controller. When your Activity is created create an instance of the menu with items in it, share it between your activities and then on every activity override onCreateOptionsMenu call optionsMenu.addActivities(menu). Also you'd have to override onOptionsSelected so that would be something like optionsMenu.selected(item). |
| 02:06.55 | chomchom | Do I have to register my custom buttons with the AndroidManifest? I'm having a problem where I am getting an error inflating them and in the stack trace there is a class not found exception on the custom button. I can't find an example so could someone point me how to include the component in the manifest? Do i add it as an instrumentation or metadata? |
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| 02:33.19 | f00f- | chomchom: i was thinking of having every activity use a common IntentReceiver which would update the menu as it changes |
| 02:33.46 | f00f- | chomchom: maybe you need to use a fully qualified class name |
| 02:34.07 | f00f- | in the XML that is |
| 02:34.19 | f00f- | <com.bleh.daz.foo android:... |
| 02:37.38 | chomchom | I think that was it |
| 02:37.44 | chomchom | Got a different error |
| 02:41.56 | chomchom | Yeah a common intent receiver sounds ok to me I have a Handler that is shared, I keep all the ActivityIDs of the Intents in a static provider file as well. |
| 03:02.17 | f00f- | okay |
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| 06:56.03 | jerkface03 | anyone awake? |
| 06:58.06 | f00f- | yeah, who ain't? |
| 06:58.15 | f00f- | je ne veux pas traivailler |
| 06:58.44 | f00f- | je ne veux pas dejeuner! |
| 06:58.48 | f00f- | et puis je fume |
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| 06:59.52 | jerkface03 | do you know if doing translate(x,y); and then translate(-x,-y); is best or to save the matrix, translate, do whatever you're gonna do, and then restore it? |
| 07:00.10 | romainguy___ | it's pretty much the same |
| 07:00.19 | romainguy___ | except the save/restore is safer |
| 07:01.07 | jerkface03 | safer, but slower? |
| 07:01.11 | romainguy___ | no |
| 07:01.17 | jerkface03 | safer and faster? |
| 07:01.25 | romainguy___ | safer and pretty much the same |
| 07:01.46 | romainguy___ | a saveLayer()/restore() is very expensive |
| 07:01.53 | romainguy___ | a save/restore is just a push/pop on a stack |
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| 08:23.56 | Tommy | ? |
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| 09:37.10 | Tommy | help /motd |
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| 10:52.28 | raboof | is the expectation that there will be 'consumer' devices on which you can put a hacked version of the android stack, like openmoko? |
| 10:52.52 | raboof | or is it more likely to be installed in a 'tivoized' fashion, like the linux-powered phones today? |
| 10:58.04 | davidw | I don't think that's entirely clear yet |
| 11:06.09 | raboof | this neo freerunner thing by the openmoko guys runs on some samsung processor, so porting android to it would probably not be all that easy, right? |
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| 12:18.10 | davidw | this thing was significantly changed, eh... |
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| 13:00.23 | acsia | Anybody know how to add a non selectable view in a listView using an adapter? |
| 13:00.43 | acsia | I have been trying with public View newView(Context context, Cursor cursor, ViewGroup parent) |
| 13:00.59 | acsia | trying to add it to the parent but it fsck up my views |
| 13:01.05 | acsia | been trying this for days |
| 13:39.28 | chomchom | Isn't there a setFocusable(boolean) method? |
| 13:39.37 | chomchom | on the view? |
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| 14:05.19 | acsia | well the listAdapter has a isSelectable - returns true if it is not a separator |
| 14:05.35 | acsia | now I am not sure how to add the separator dynamically to the listView |
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| 15:21.23 | chomchom | can you have a linear layout above the tabbedView? And has anyone embedded the tabbed view yet? |
| 15:30.51 | acsia | tabbed is obsolet AFAIK |
| 15:31.02 | acsia | I would nto use tabbedVIew |
| 15:31.29 | chomchom | really? Thats a bit strange how its in the demos then |
| 15:32.12 | acsia | which one is it in the demo |
| 15:33.04 | acsia | if you try to instantiate a tabbedView in eclipse, it will tell you that you should not use it |
| 15:33.04 | chomchom | (just booting them up) |
| 15:33.29 | acsia | TabbedView can use intents as tab and I beleive that s why they changed their mind |
| 15:34.18 | chomchom | I'm actually looking at the dialler |
| 15:34.21 | chomchom | it uses tabs |
| 15:34.43 | acsia | are you talking about the tabHost? |
| 15:34.52 | chomchom | yeah maybe |
| 15:34.58 | acsia | well there are plenty of ways |
| 15:35.09 | chomchom | just enquring before I feel the pain of implementation |
| 15:35.38 | acsia | you should not use tab host AFAIk, I ve been building a tabbed system with ViewAnimator |
| 15:36.01 | acsia | you create all your tabs within a viewAnimator in XML |
| 15:36.11 | acsia | I meant tab views |
| 15:36.37 | acsia | and then you just add a bottom View with several buttons which willl let you choose which child view you want from the view animator |
| 15:40.21 | chomchom | ok, that sounds abstract enough to safe guard against future sdk changes |
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| 18:41.20 | chomchom | Just like to point out another problem, although its not a show stopper. |
| 18:41.42 | chomchom | I have two deployments of eclipse so that I can have both m3 and m5 demos to compare |
| 18:42.08 | chomchom | I have to have two deployments because the google plugin version needs to correspond with the release otherwise it complains |
| 18:43.47 | chomchom | When I boot up the emulator from within my m3 deployment of android in eclipse, when I have the other deployment with m5 installed open; The M5 deployment constantly tries and fails to connect to the emulator |
| 18:43.55 | chomchom | even when I have stopped it running |
| 18:44.16 | chomchom | which means you need to restart the m5 deployment. Not awful, just a feature to note. |
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| 18:53.19 | cutmasta | mornin |
| 18:53.40 | zhobbs | :) |
| 19:02.31 | chomchom | morning |
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| 20:41.18 | chomchom | Does plusminus hang in here? |
| 20:41.33 | chomchom | Or on any irc chats? |
| 20:42.33 | chomchom | I'd like to speak to him since he's done more than anyone in helping peeps get set up with good quick demos on anddev.org. |
| 20:56.36 | zhobbs | haven't seen him in here |
| 20:56.48 | chomchom | Shame. |
| 20:57.10 | chomchom | I'll send him an email. Tell him he'd be in good company. |
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| 21:19.19 | jasta | romainguy_: is it possible to have a name appear in the icon list on the home screen that does not match the window title when the application opens? |
| 21:19.32 | jasta | i would like to use a longer title for when the window actually opens |
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| 21:19.53 | romainguy_ | jasta: just call setTitle() in onCreate() |
| 21:20.06 | jasta | ahh, ok. |
| 21:20.06 | romainguy_ | you can even pass a resource ID |
| 21:25.30 | jasta | that's cool that you guys use inotify to watch /data/app ;) |
| 21:36.31 | jasta | hmm, there is a bit of leak there. |
| 21:36.46 | jasta | setTitle only applies after all the UI's been built and applied to the screen. |
| 21:37.00 | jasta | the window as it initially opens has the other title, set through AndroidManifest.xml |
| 21:37.39 | zhobbs | jasta: there's lots of stuff like that |
| 21:38.03 | jasta | well, hmm. |
| 21:38.13 | jasta | i'll ignore it for now. |
| 21:38.13 | zhobbs | how do you inflate a view from xml again? |
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| 21:38.29 | jasta | zhobbs: ViewInflate.inflate |
| 21:38.38 | zhobbs | jasta: thanks |
| 21:39.13 | jasta | you can get a ViewInflate reference a number of ways, too. |
| 21:39.25 | jasta | not sure which is recommended, but i use the static method ViewInflate.from(this) |
| 21:40.20 | jasta | my thought is that's just calling this.getSystemService(Context.INFLATE_SERVICE), though. |
| 21:41.34 | jasta | just decompiled and yes, that is what it does. it does however throw an exception if getSystemService returns null which is an extra nicety. |
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| 22:01.52 | zhobbs | the default list separator doesn't shrink very well... |
| 22:08.21 | zhobbs | romainguy_: I'm trying to replicate the look of in list view when I use android.R.layout.simple_list_item_1 with a simple adapter |
| 22:08.51 | romainguy_ | the default list view does not use separators but dividers |
| 22:09.15 | zhobbs | if I inflate that xml and return it as the view in my adapter it doesn't have all the padding and stuff, how do I get that info? |
| 22:09.58 | romainguy_ | it should |
| 22:10.02 | romainguy_ | here is its source: |
| 22:10.03 | romainguy_ | <TextView xmlns:android="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/android" |
| 22:10.03 | romainguy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.03 | romainguy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.03 | romainguy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.04 | romainguy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.05 | romainguy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.07 | romainguy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.36 | zhobbs | I'm doing this in my adapter's getView(...), and it looks different than using a simple adapter |
| 22:11.42 | zhobbs | ViewInflate vi = ViewInflate.from(mCtx); |
| 22:11.43 | zhobbs | TextView txt = (TextView) vi.inflate(android.R.layout.simple_list_item_1, null, null); |
| 22:11.43 | zhobbs | txt.setText(mItems.get(position)); |
| 22:11.43 | zhobbs | return txt; |
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| 23:13.56 | zhobbs | is there a way to force the currently selected row to be highlighted in touch mode? |
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| 23:25.26 | Dreadddddd | hi |
| 23:25.40 | Dreadddddd | can i start android on MSM6250? |
| 23:26.25 | zhobbs | no idea |
| 23:27.35 | Dreadddddd | gm.. |
| 23:28.01 | Dreadddddd | android can be run only on MSM7k ? |
| 23:28.05 | chomchom | There is a plusminus in the room |
| 23:28.36 | zhobbs | chomchom: you joined right after you said you were going to send email :) |
| 23:28.51 | chomchom | Actually, I did send an email |
| 23:29.41 | plusminus | ^^ hello |
| 23:30.33 | chomchom | Hello! Hey Man, did you get my email, I'm surprised not to have seen you in here before. |
| 23:30.52 | plusminus | i never knew of this irc-channel |
| 23:31.09 | plusminus | *shame on me* |
| 23:31.31 | chomchom | This is where the cool kids chill, right zhobbs? |
| 23:31.56 | zhobbs | yeah, and the slackers |
| 23:32.17 | chomchom | Honestly man, good work in putting up so many demos. You've helped a lot of peeps get up and running from nothing. |
| 23:32.33 | plusminus | thanks :) |
| 23:32.53 | plusminus | currently writing a learners-"book"... |
| 23:33.04 | plusminus | actually just a pdf but we will see. |
| 23:33.42 | *** join/#android matt_c (n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 23:33.49 | Dreadddddd | anybody lising me? -) |
| 23:35.24 | plusminus | <--not familiar with portign android. |
| 23:36.36 | zhobbs | Dreadddddd: what version of ARM does the arch you talking about have? |
| 23:37.26 | Dreadddddd | zhobbs Quallcom MSM6250(A) |
| 23:37.28 | Dreadddddd | ARM 9 |
| 23:37.48 | chomchom | I was thinking about a book as well, just for kudos. I think it was discussed briefly the other day and those that had written before wanted to put across that you would definetly be setting out to do it for the love rater than for any financial gain |
| 23:39.10 | zhobbs | Dreadddddd: I believe that the binaries for the sdk are for ARM 5 |
| 23:39.32 | zhobbs | Dreadddddd: http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 |
| 23:43.47 | Dreadddddd | zhobbs siemens sxg75.. |
| 23:43.53 | Dreadddddd | http://forum.modopo.com/diskussionen-rund-ums-modding/t-19197-ef81-qc-bqs-firmware-analyzer/page28.html |
| 23:43.56 | plusminus | you just got mail with a preview |
| 23:44.07 | plusminus | of what has been done so far. |
| 23:44.50 | zhobbs | plusminus: you going to sell it or give it? |
| 23:44.50 | Dreadddddd | port android to any benq, siemens brew mobile.. |
| 23:44.58 | plusminus | give |
| 23:45.33 | chomchom | Excellent, I'll give it the once over on the train tomorrow. |
| 23:45.34 | Dreadddddd | now we can rone any brew programs in oure devices! |
| 23:45.38 | zhobbs | Dreadddddd: sorry, don't know anything about it...you could try androidport google group |
| 23:45.39 | Dreadddddd | we hack quallcom-) |
| 23:46.02 | plusminus | If people like it, I (or maybe a "we") coudl make it more professional (my english is not goog enough for a printed book). |
| 23:46.29 | Dreadddddd | bb |
| 23:46.35 | Dreadddddd | bastards |
| 23:46.44 | plusminus | ^^ |
| 23:47.09 | Dreadddddd | -_- |
| 23:51.19 | chomchom | plusminus: It's a good start, I'm sure others in here would be happy to give you some feedback. I've put it on my phone and I'll send you an email with comments once I've given it a read. |
| 23:51.49 | plusminus | Remember it is not finsihed at all or anything!! |
| 23:51.53 | *** part/#android Dreadddddd (i=nofear@79.124.248.13) |
| 23:52.10 | chomchom | Thats cool |
| 23:54.24 | plusminus | First paragraphs are written by myself, between there is some info I cutted from Google about AndroidManifest, Resources and UI. Shortened and extra explained where I though it would be especially neccesary. I.e. added a small comparison from Android UI to Swing UI. Or XMLLaylout vs. HMTL-Code. |
| 23:54.53 | plusminus | All codes wil be syntax-highlited what is imo very useful! |
| 23:57.38 | acsia | hey plusminus, you are becoming famous in the android world. How did the business week interview work out? |
| 23:58.28 | plusminus | From page ~35 my work starts, the tutorial-stuff... Up to now just the very basic stuff but as you know tutorials already exist on anddev and placing them to the pdf with some extra words around will not be that time-expensive. |
| 23:58.42 | plusminus | ^^ thx |