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| 00:01.28 | eighty | zhobbs: can you recommend a lighter format? or you mean just create a format that works? |
| 00:02.06 | zhobbs | not really...some people were saying json, but I don't know anything about it |
| 00:02.45 | f00f- | eighty: not really. the parser will grok if you try to send a raw XML stanza over gtalk data |
| 00:03.07 | f00f- | eighty: in addition, it will grok if you try to send escaped XML either using entity escaping or CDATA sections |
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| 00:03.17 | eighty | f00f: grok bad. thanks for da tip. |
| 00:03.28 | f00f- | it really depends on how complex/hirearchical your data will be |
| 00:03.33 | eighty | right |
| 00:03.45 | f00f- | i'm just sending comma-delimited key/value pairs right now, so it's pretty linear for now |
| 00:03.54 | f00f- | so i use the intent.putString("x", "y") |
| 00:03.54 | eighty | i'm thinking RPC via gtalk :) |
| 00:03.56 | f00f- | or whatever it is called |
| 00:04.03 | eighty | heh |
| 00:04.15 | f00f- | yeah, they don't support much except double, float, int, String i guess |
| 00:04.16 | f00f- | :D |
| 00:04.40 | eighty | how does gtalk address the device you want to message? |
| 00:04.56 | f00f- | by their JID |
| 00:05.04 | f00f- | ie. Google Talk username |
| 00:05.11 | eighty | right :) |
| 00:05.17 | eighty | (had == hand) |
| 00:05.30 | f00f- | if it's done correctly, you should be able to address specific instances too |
| 00:05.33 | f00f- | like a resource |
| 00:05.43 | f00f- | foo@gmail.com/home |
| 00:05.45 | f00f- | foo@gmail.com/work |
| 00:05.45 | f00f- | etc. |
| 00:06.11 | eighty | whoa... like the data a ContentProvider exposes? |
| 00:06.28 | f00f- | not really, just specific Jabber resources |
| 00:06.32 | eighty | oh |
| 00:06.35 | eighty | right |
| 00:06.36 | f00f- | if a user is logged in from their phone and the home machine |
| 00:06.44 | eighty | right right |
| 00:07.08 | f00f- | because, if it's implemented as other jabber/xmpp servers are, the resource with the highest priority (ie. the one that logged in most recently), will get hte messages |
| 00:07.21 | f00f- | so you might *need* to address a specific resource |
| 00:07.28 | f00f- | such as their android device for your app to work :D |
| 00:07.34 | eighty | yep |
| 00:07.35 | eighty | :) |
| 00:07.37 | f00f- | that's one thing people haven't really talked about yet |
| 00:08.10 | f00f- | but you're trying to expose ContentProviders over data messaging? |
| 00:08.28 | eighty | i'm trying to see if that's possible, yeah |
| 00:08.49 | f00f- | that would be pretty cool |
| 00:08.52 | eighty | i want a RemoteContentProvider that can "connect" to another device |
| 00:09.07 | f00f- | maybe you'd have to implement a generic ContentProvider using reflection ... |
| 00:09.36 | f00f- | actually reflection might not be supported on android |
| 00:10.20 | eighty | will investigate |
| 00:31.37 | eighty | does using jxta (https://jxta.dev.java.net) with android make sense? are they compatible? |
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| 04:39.21 | romainguy___ | re |
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| 04:52.30 | muthu | good morning |
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| 05:54.00 | sandesh | hello goodmorning |
| 05:54.41 | sandesh | so did anyone tried importing any other maps in android other than google maps |
| 06:08.56 | sandesh | hey anybosy in maps or gis project????????????????????? |
| 06:09.11 | sandesh | anybody.... there |
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| 07:25.02 | sandesh | hello |
| 07:25.17 | sandesh | answer me any developer in maps |
| 07:26.06 | marvinalone | what does bindService() return? |
| 07:26.50 | romainguy_ | marvinalone: according to the documentation : "If you have successfully bound to the service, true is returned; false is returned if the connection is not made so you will not receive the service object." |
| 07:27.49 | marvinalone | am I looking at the wrong documentation? |
| 07:28.05 | romainguy_ | http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/content/Context.html#bindService(android.content.Intent,%20android.content.ServiceConnection,%20int) ? |
| 07:28.38 | marvinalone | I was looking at the one for ApplicationContext |
| 07:28.47 | romainguy_ | it just implements this abstract method |
| 07:28.58 | marvinalone | ah |
| 07:29.14 | marvinalone | is there a way to get more detailed information when your bindService fails? |
| 07:30.18 | sandesh | marvinalone |
| 07:30.22 | sandesh | can u help me |
| 07:30.35 | sandesh | romainguy |
| 07:30.51 | marvinalone | sandesh: i doubt it, since i know very little about this |
| 07:30.56 | marvinalone | sandesh: i can try though |
| 07:31.23 | sandesh | romainguy seems to be advanced |
| 07:31.28 | sandesh | i m begineer in android |
| 07:31.43 | sandesh | want to import openlayer map in android |
| 07:31.57 | sandesh | i m having js library for openlayers |
| 07:32.38 | marvinalone | does the android browser not execute javascript? |
| 07:33.39 | sandesh | i want to do it through application |
| 07:33.53 | sandesh | import android.os.Bundle; |
| 07:33.53 | sandesh | import com.google.android.maps.MapActivity; |
| 07:33.53 | sandesh | public class mapviewer extends MapActivity { |
| 07:33.53 | sandesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.53 | sandesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.56 | sandesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.58 | sandesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.00 | sandesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.02 | sandesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.04 | sandesh | } |
| 07:34.08 | sandesh | this is default google map for android |
| 07:34.17 | marvinalone | woha, there is probably a pastebin fir this stuff |
| 07:34.17 | sandesh | i want openlayer map instead |
| 07:34.49 | sandesh | pastebin? |
| 07:35.00 | romainguy_ | sandesh: romainguy seems to be advanced << I actually work on Android |
| 07:35.13 | sandesh | ok romainguy |
| 07:35.17 | sandesh | u worked on maps |
| 07:35.26 | romainguy_ | nope |
| 07:35.34 | sandesh | but can u help me |
| 07:35.37 | marvinalone | sandesh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastebin |
| 07:35.47 | romainguy_ | sandesh: depends on what you need :) |
| 07:36.04 | sandesh | i m having js library with me of open layers |
| 07:36.38 | sandesh | i want to import openlayer map in android through application |
| 07:36.48 | sandesh | instead of google map |
| 07:38.33 | marvinalone | sandesh: i know nothing about MapActivity, but i would guess that you can't do that. Chances are that there is a browser activity or view that you could use that can run your javascript |
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| 07:42.01 | marvinalone | romainguy_: so i'm a bit at a loss with this. bindActivity returns false and I have no idea why |
| 07:42.09 | romainguy_ | I don't know either :) |
| 07:43.18 | marvinalone | romainguy_: where do i look to find out what's wrong? is there a different call i can make, or a list of common things that make bindService fail, or something like tyhat? |
| 07:46.52 | romainguy_ | marvinalone: You should ask your question on the mailing list |
| 07:49.15 | marvinalone | ah, that's a good idea. i'll join there. |
| 07:49.27 | romainguy_ | sorry, I work on the UI toolkit :) |
| 07:50.44 | marvinalone | ah, that's why jasta was all over you yesterday :-) |
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| 07:51.51 | romainguy_ | marvinalone: ? |
| 07:53.28 | marvinalone | i was lurking when you were talking to jasta about configuring the listview to show music in the right way |
| 07:54.21 | romainguy_ | ah yes |
| 07:54.34 | marvinalone | either way, i got it fixed. evidently i suck at paying attention to sample xml |
| 07:55.24 | romainguy_ | ^^ |
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| 11:51.32 | sandesh_ | hello there |
| 11:51.35 | sandesh_ | android |
| 11:51.47 | muthu | any media player widget with ready to go play, stop, pause, forward, rewind etc.,? |
| 11:51.58 | sandesh_ | muthu |
| 11:52.10 | muthu | hi sandesh |
| 11:52.11 | sandesh_ | tell me where to put my html page in android |
| 11:52.16 | sandesh_ | is it in asset |
| 11:52.25 | muthu | you can put in asset |
| 11:52.27 | muthu | or raw |
| 11:52.42 | sandesh_ | wht abt JS |
| 11:53.49 | muthu | yeah same way |
| 11:54.13 | sandesh_ | muthu i want to open javascript web page in android how do i do ti |
| 11:54.35 | sandesh_ | through application |
| 11:54.43 | muthu | you can use the browser |
| 11:54.56 | sandesh_ | no through my application |
| 11:55.10 | muthu | http://web_address |
| 11:55.11 | muthu | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.38 | muthu | look at list of intents in the docs |
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| 12:39.35 | kurzum | hey im wondering is there a way to clone a view? |
| 12:40.54 | kurzum | basically what i wanna do is create a xml layout, and then be able to add it dynamically to other view groups |
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| 13:48.57 | muthu | romain: are you there? |
| 13:53.24 | dims | it's around 6:00 AM on the west coast... |
| 13:53.32 | muthu | hi dims |
| 13:53.37 | muthu | good to know ;) |
| 13:53.44 | muthu | what are you doing so early? |
| 13:54.11 | muthu | your examples rock! |
| 13:56.02 | dims | muthu: am on the west coast |
| 13:56.57 | kurzum | is it possible to have a relative layout in a linear layout? |
| 13:57.20 | kurzum | im getting an illegal layout params exception... |
| 14:00.13 | muthu | kurzum: i guess you should be able to |
| 14:00.22 | Smoke_Screen | anybody know if anyone is working on a Android BitTorrent client for the Developer Challenge? |
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| 14:04.09 | kurzum | yeah but it doesnt work... i have a relative layout with WRAP_CONTENT, WRAP_CONTENT relative layout params, but adding it to a linear layout throws an exception... |
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| 14:16.55 | acsia | Kurzum. you need to add more into the layout for RL |
| 14:17.07 | acsia | like align_parent_top |
| 14:17.12 | acsia | and right or left |
| 14:17.18 | acsia | otherwise it doesn't work |
| 14:18.20 | kurzum | i figured it out already, but still im wondering if theres a way to clone a view? |
| 14:18.32 | acsia | what do you mean? |
| 14:18.46 | acsia | can you just use viewinflate? |
| 14:19.02 | acsia | so you could use it accross your app |
| 14:19.29 | kurzum | well if you have a layout with some views in your xml file, shouldnt it be possible to just load it and add it dynamically to other view groups? |
| 14:20.07 | acsia | well yes |
| 14:20.55 | kurzum | yes but if you just add it youd add a reference to the original view gorup and not a copy |
| 14:20.57 | acsia | (groupview)gp.add((LinerLayout) viewinflate(R.layout.viewid)) |
| 14:21.01 | acsia | somwthing along those lines |
| 14:21.35 | kurzum | ah viewinflate! |
| 14:21.51 | kurzum | i guess thats exactly what i need |
| 14:21.53 | kurzum | thanks a lot :) |
| 14:22.26 | acsia | np :) I was looking for the same answer a month ago over here so I just pass on the knowledge |
| 14:24.05 | kurzum | thats the spirit :P |
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| 14:28.06 | android00 | hey, new day new challenge ^^ okay I took my time and understand now the IRemoteService, the problem is now...it binds to the service, thats fine, but how do I start the service now? |
| 14:29.00 | acsia | do I senss a TV-B-Gone :D |
| 14:43.21 | android00 | kk I fixed it..its working..thx jasta for your help yesterday :-) it was yesterday a little bit to much, but now its working! |
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| 16:07.17 | jasta | android00: you start by defining an interface that includes a way to start work. |
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| 16:08.04 | jasta | again, you are starting the service when you bind to it, so you have to think about the service at two layers. |
| 16:08.21 | jasta | Android sees it as started when you connect to it, but you can view it simply as "waiting to be started". |
| 16:08.39 | kurzum | does findViewById work with inflated views? |
| 16:08.43 | jasta | Then, you can invoke some method on the service to make it start doing work. Android doesn't know the difference between your idle service and your active one. |
| 16:08.49 | jasta | kurzum: Yes, of course. |
| 16:09.25 | kurzum | strange, because it returns null for a view defined in the inflated view... |
| 16:09.50 | zhobbs | kurzum: I've used it with inflated views before |
| 16:10.02 | kurzum | then im doing something wrong :) |
| 16:10.08 | jasta | yup ;) |
| 16:10.17 | zhobbs | android:id vs id maybe? |
| 16:10.22 | kurzum | nope... |
| 16:10.52 | kurzum | the inflated view does not need to be setContentView'd right? |
| 16:10.59 | jasta | nope |
| 16:11.34 | jasta | as a quick test, you could just recursively scan the returned view and print getId on each view |
| 16:11.40 | kurzum | all im doing is, im inflating a view (this works), then im calling findViewById on that view |
| 16:11.44 | jasta | and make sure that it is as you expect it to be |
| 16:11.56 | android00 | I implemented the IRemote into my activity and my service...the service starts and runs, but the connection has an issue...just trying to find the problem....because the ServiceConnection method disables/enables buttons, but this doesnt happen.. |
| 16:12.24 | jasta | android00: serviceconnection is insufficient to determine if your service is busy in this model. |
| 16:12.25 | kurzum | im dynamically adding it to a layout and it displays correctly as defined |
| 16:12.37 | jasta | android00: you have stopped short of implementing the critical next part of this design. |
| 16:12.38 | zhobbs | kurzum: ViewInflate vi = ViewInflate.from(mCtx); |
| 16:12.38 | zhobbs | LinearLayout row = (LinearLayout) vi.inflate(R.layout.radio_row, null, null); |
| 16:12.38 | zhobbs | TextView txt = (TextView) row.findViewById(R.id.radio_text); |
| 16:13.57 | android00 | what do you mean with that? |
| 16:14.43 | kurzum | exactly, im just using getViewInflate, getting the inflated view and adding it to another view group works, only viewViewById returns null, and the id definately exists |
| 16:17.25 | kurzum | ah nevermind :) another statement on the same line throws the exception and i automatically assumed its findViewById |
| 16:17.27 | kurzum | sry :) |
| 16:20.32 | jasta | findViewById doesn't throw an exception |
| 16:20.34 | jasta | it just returns null |
| 16:23.51 | kurzum | yep and if you try to do something with the return value it returns a nullpointerexception |
| 16:24.01 | kurzum | throws* |
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| 16:41.01 | android00 | ok the example does bindServic(new Intent(IRemoteService.class.getName()),mConnection,..) thats not working in my program... instead I use bindService(new Intent(Avtivity.this,Service.class),mConnection,...) the second one starts the service but the mConnection enables/disables the buttons,sets Text and thats not done...so I guess there is an Issue....I guess you know excatly whats wrong |
| 16:43.36 | jasta | android00: why do you insist on ignoring information that you need? |
| 16:43.50 | jasta | i told you, the connection state is not going to tell you if the service is started or not |
| 16:44.24 | android00 | man... you say something and I dont understand it...so I am not ignoring... |
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| 16:45.11 | jasta | so if i tell you something that you dont understand, what are you doing with it? |
| 16:45.31 | android00 | is this really a question? |
| 16:45.40 | jasta | are you asking follow-up questions or reading documentation until you do understand it? or are you simply pretending it was irrelevant? |
| 16:46.00 | android00 | what do you do if say this to you: 0234234 ... I guess nothing, because you dont understand the sense... |
| 16:46.08 | jasta | i ask you what you mean |
| 16:46.28 | jasta | does that not seem obvious to you? |
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| 16:47.06 | android00 | just keep it simple for me....you know :-) |
| 16:47.11 | jasta | no, i don't know. |
| 16:48.17 | jasta | do you believe that the information i'm giving you is wrong? |
| 16:48.21 | jasta | or not relevant? |
| 16:49.33 | android00 | i told you, the connection state is not going to tell you if the service is started or not .... you mean the onServiceConnected() method? but why is it working in the IRemote Example? |
| 16:50.02 | jasta | it isn't "working" for the RemoteService example, because the RemoteService is not attempting to solve the same problem as you. |
| 16:50.14 | jasta | you are trying to determine if your service is busy performing work, right? |
| 16:51.00 | jasta | onServiceConnected() only determines if the service is present, but is insufficient to learn if the service is performing work or is idle. |
| 16:51.03 | android00 | no I just copied the IRemote into my Service and Activtivity and there is an issue |
| 16:51.28 | jasta | obviously there is, because you've wrecklessly plowed through code you don't understand without stopping to try. |
| 16:52.20 | jasta | i told you many times already that you must implement a service interface which describes more precisely the concept of work that your service has, and then you can safely connect and bind and ask the service what's going on, and let you observe what it's doing. |
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| 16:52.56 | jasta | therefore, the services "start" state is irrelevant to you. you can bind to it when the activity starts without affecting its behaviour |
| 16:53.37 | jasta | but if you think you can ignore that extra service interface layer then you are wrong, and you will never make it work correctly. |
| 16:54.16 | jasta | you, for some unknown reason, assumed that you could simply ignore parts of the conversation you didn't understand, and have now probably wasted half a day. |
| 16:56.19 | jasta | bbl, work |
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| 17:23.38 | jasta | hey romain |
| 17:23.52 | jasta | i meant to follow-up about an issue i was pondering the other day... |
| 17:23.53 | jasta | you around? |
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| 17:24.30 | romainguy__ | jasta: what issue? |
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| 17:25.49 | jasta | when you have an activity which logically belongs to a database item (like editing a contact), is there a recommended practice for managing the case of row delete, row change, etc? |
| 17:26.20 | romainguy__ | I have no idea :) |
| 17:26.35 | jasta | Currently in my application I have deployed a managed cursor to set a sort of header text view, even though i expect that the data is unlikely to ever change or go away, it is possible. |
| 17:26.39 | romainguy__ | long time since I've done any CRUD |
| 17:27.15 | jasta | for example, if while the user is on the screen, the background service starts synchronizing and decides to delete the row, when my activity is resumed, it will detect this through its managed cursor and simply call finish |
| 17:27.24 | jasta | but perhaps that is a jolting respond from the user's perspective |
| 17:28.02 | jasta | i thought about extending it by even having a content observer on the managed cursor which would then let me finish() immediately upon the row deletion |
| 17:28.04 | romainguy__ | ah ok I see what you mean |
| 17:28.14 | jasta | but again, that would seem even more jolting |
| 17:28.26 | romainguy__ | could you display a message to warn the user? |
| 17:28.40 | jasta | also, the data could potentially change (they could edit tags, and the artist name change slightly), but is uppose that will be less alarming to the user. |
| 17:28.56 | jasta | romainguy__: right, i could do anything of course, but i'm looking to Google for maybe some recommended practices. |
| 17:29.00 | romainguy__ | also, what is the likelihood of such an event ? |
| 17:29.21 | romainguy__ | hop my bus arrived |
| 17:29.22 | romainguy__ | sorry |
| 17:29.25 | jasta | unlikely, but certainly possible. |
| 17:40.30 | romainguy | re |
| 17:41.53 | jasta | hmm |
| 17:42.26 | jasta | romainguy: so, any thoughts? |
| 17:42.39 | romainguy | I would say don't bother about it |
| 17:42.46 | jasta | i'm trying to come up with a general strategy through my app. |
| 17:42.58 | jasta | like for example, if an activity gets called with a content url |
| 17:43.03 | jasta | what to do if that query fails to return any rows? |
| 17:43.14 | jasta | that is a much more likely case if you don't handle the first one... |
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| 17:43.28 | jasta | the user might have left the app running looking at an artist or album and never return to it for days, long after they delete it |
| 17:43.39 | jasta | then when they go back if they click on any item that won't exist, an activity will get spawned and then what? |
| 17:43.52 | jasta | i think it seems bad to have the app just appear to ignore them |
| 17:44.13 | jasta | would it be possible to finish() an activity and display a Toast while the activity is leaving? |
| 17:44.29 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 17:44.47 | jasta | that seems like the best way to handle each case. |
| 17:45.07 | jasta | if a row disappears mysteriously, should just finish and throw up a Toast with some humorous dialogue :) |
| 17:45.25 | jasta | that way if they arent paying attention to their phone, they wont even care what you did |
| 17:45.29 | acsia | has anybody see disreptancy between windiows and linux ? |
| 17:45.29 | jasta | it will just seem like "cleanup" |
| 17:45.41 | jasta | acsia: Uhm, quite a few? :) |
| 17:46.01 | acsia | I have an app with that does not finish() on windows... |
| 17:46.05 | acsia | and plays fine on linux |
| 17:46.08 | acsia | ... |
| 17:46.15 | jasta | what? |
| 17:46.20 | acsia | I ve been struggling for days |
| 17:46.42 | jasta | you have probably called finish() outside the UI thread, which would have unpredictable results. |
| 17:46.53 | acsia | hum.. |
| 17:47.01 | jasta | does that sound like a possibility? |
| 17:47.56 | acsia | well I have a onKeyDown and in there, I call the finish() on my main application |
| 17:48.05 | jasta | onKeyDown is in the UI thread |
| 17:48.06 | acsia | the problem might be related to threads |
| 17:48.23 | jasta | how do you mean on your main application, though? |
| 17:48.23 | acsia | before quiting, I kill the thread |
| 17:48.50 | acsia | on linux it is all good, in windoes, I need to click twice to make it work |
| 17:48.57 | jasta | are you calling any UI methods at all on the non-UI thread? |
| 17:49.31 | zhobbs | acsia: very strange |
| 17:49.33 | acsia | well have you played with the CameraPreview exemple? |
| 17:49.42 | jasta | no |
| 17:50.07 | acsia | it uses surface view and another thread to update the surface |
| 17:50.18 | acsia | but the finish is completely outside... |
| 17:50.23 | acsia | this is killing me |
| 17:50.34 | acsia | oh well, do you think google uses windows or linux :D |
| 17:50.49 | zhobbs | both |
| 17:51.03 | acsia | it is such a pain, I had it nearly finish within linux and just wanted to give it a try on windows |
| 17:51.04 | jasta | acsia: the problem is not related to windows versus linux, i assure you. |
| 17:51.15 | zhobbs | did you debug and see if the keypress is registering in windows? |
| 17:51.26 | jasta | it is merely an illusion that one shows the problem and the other doesn't. you have a concurrency problem certainly. |
| 17:51.35 | acsia | I have not, I just installed really quickly to see if it worked ok |
| 17:52.11 | zhobbs | cause if it's calling finish() then yeah jasta's prolly right, if it's not maybe it could be an emulator bug |
| 17:52.14 | jasta | the thing is, misuse of concurrency is not guaranteed not to work, it's only not guaranteed to work :) |
| 17:52.41 | acsia | haha |
| 17:53.07 | acsia | I will go over my code again, try to hack it a bit |
| 17:53.37 | jasta | acsia: Check that the onKeyDown listener is actually firing. If there is an emulator bug, it would definitely be at that layer. |
| 17:53.41 | jasta | That is, at the device input layer. |
| 17:54.02 | jasta | Not at any layer above the kernel. |
| 17:54.25 | zhobbs | or could be some kind of touchmode v non touch mode bug or something... |
| 17:54.40 | jasta | yeah, but that bug wouldn't be observed by changing the platform |
| 17:54.42 | zhobbs | but that would probably happen on both emulators |
| 17:54.45 | zhobbs | right |
| 17:54.48 | acsia | o well, so I need to setup a windows box with eclipse... |
| 17:55.03 | jasta | no you wouldn't |
| 17:55.11 | jasta | apk files are portable dummy ;) |
| 17:56.11 | zhobbs | yeah, but to debug might need eclipse |
| 17:56.18 | acsia | clearer in eclipse |
| 17:56.34 | jasta | printf debugging will work just fine on this one. just test that the finish() method is definitely being called. |
| 17:56.46 | jasta | (that onKeyDown is being fired implicitly) |
| 17:56.54 | jasta | and if it is, then you know your bug is concurrency. so fix it :) |
| 17:57.06 | jasta | if not, then you can reasonably assume there is some goofy bug in the windows device input layer |
| 17:57.47 | jasta | i suspect you are manipulating the UI in your worker thread somewhere :) |
| 17:58.30 | jasta | also, you might try ripping out the functionality in question and trying to reproduce it in a simple test case. that way we could review your code ;) |
| 17:59.51 | acsia | yes... I did that previously and posted on anddev |
| 18:00.02 | zhobbs | http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/29/iphone-software-development-to-be-locked-down-by-apple/ |
| 18:00.04 | acsia | but that was a while ago when my code was working |
| 18:01.07 | acsia | let me just refactor the code a bit |
| 18:03.41 | jasta | zhobbs: hehe |
| 18:04.36 | zhobbs | that's pretty lame if true |
| 18:07.00 | jasta | zhobbs: not hard to imagine. |
| 18:07.01 | jasta | Apple sucks ;) |
| 18:07.20 | jasta | apple is so arrogant |
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| 18:35.08 | eighty | errr... anyone know the gtalk character limit for a message? |
| 18:35.45 | jasta | is there one? |
| 18:35.58 | jasta | i would assume it would just fragment for you |
| 18:36.02 | eighty | mmm... well, gtalk in gmail has a limit |
| 18:36.24 | eighty | jasta: that would be cool if it partitions |
| 18:36.31 | jasta | it should |
| 18:37.27 | eighty | coo :) |
| 18:39.24 | jasta | but it might not |
| 18:39.25 | jasta | :_) |
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| 18:41.17 | muthu | jasta: any luck with tabhost? |
| 18:41.33 | jasta | didn't implement it yet, not quite there yet. |
| 18:41.57 | muthu | i'm stuck at showing a list for two tabs |
| 18:42.11 | muthu | i mean i have two tabs, and want a listview for both of them |
| 18:42.12 | jasta | i'm using it to provide a flexible main interface for locating music, having a tab host that lets you pick through various criteria, by album, by artist, by recently listened, by recently added |
| 18:42.20 | jasta | i'm not sure how it will look with 4 tabs though |
| 18:42.35 | muthu | tabs looks good |
| 18:42.39 | muthu | except for the view management |
| 18:42.42 | muthu | a bit cumbersome |
| 18:42.55 | muthu | since its only one activity |
| 18:43.34 | jasta | tabhost can have multiple activity's actually |
| 18:43.39 | jasta | each tab could represent its own activity |
| 18:43.53 | jasta | or it could just be a view, it's up to you |
| 18:44.11 | jasta | i am implementing my interface to have separate activity's, though. |
| 18:44.38 | muthu | correct |
| 18:44.51 | muthu | you have to code a bit for that ;) |
| 18:45.48 | muthu | can you add views to tabspec directly? |
| 18:46.26 | jasta | dunno, haven't really investigated much yet |
| 18:46.28 | muthu | i guess the tabspec is only the tab buttons |
| 18:46.30 | jasta | probably will this weekend though |
| 18:46.48 | muthu | ok.. androids dont like tabs i guess |
| 18:46.54 | muthu | no examples |
| 18:47.12 | morrildl | muthu: tabs were removed for a while, then they came back |
| 18:47.23 | morrildl | we thought they were going away completely which is why we wrote no docs for them |
| 18:47.32 | morrildl | they came back, but they have no docs yet :) |
| 18:47.39 | muthu | morrildl: thanks for clarifying |
| 18:47.53 | muthu | the tabs go against the design |
| 18:48.46 | muthu | the end users love tabs :) |
| 18:50.07 | muthu | listview and tabs - the deadly combo! |
| 18:53.04 | morrildl | muthu: "ListView + Tabs: The one-two punch of UX" |
| 18:53.45 | muthu | ha ha |
| 18:57.33 | android00 | @jasta: I have read now the interface how to, have looked into the IRemoteService Example and cant find how this example(RemoteServiceBinding) starts the RemoteService, maybe you can tell me which command starts this service? |
| 18:58.18 | morrildl | android00: Services are started automatically when they are needed |
| 18:58.47 | morrildl | Binding to a service will cause the system to start it, if it's not already running |
| 18:58.50 | jasta | android00: I told you that you have to define your own concept of "started". that is why i keep referring to "doing work" versus "being started" |
| 18:59.22 | android00 | how do i define my own concept of "started"? |
| 18:59.34 | jasta | think of starting your service as instantiating it, you must then provide an interface to make it do work. |
| 19:00.07 | jasta | that interface can be whatever you please. i even gave you an example interface you could implement. |
| 19:00.31 | android00 | I implementet this interface |
| 19:00.39 | jasta | no you didn't |
| 19:00.49 | android00 | then tell me how I can do it |
| 19:01.30 | jasta | tell me what you don't understand first |
| 19:02.08 | android00 | I have the aidl files in my package -> creates two java files |
| 19:03.51 | android00 | my activity binds with bindService(new Intent(IMyServices.class.getName(),mCOnnection,...) |
| 19:04.40 | android00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.01 | android00 | because I bind to IMyServices |
| 19:05.53 | zhobbs | You bind to a service, and then the service uses an interface to communication with the activity. The interface is what you create with AIDL |
| 19:06.11 | jasta | This is used by the remote service example too. |
| 19:06.59 | jasta | android00: BTW, there is a difference between the service itself and the interface defined in the AIDL files. The service is an overall implementation of what those interfaces are trying to accomplish. |
| 19:07.01 | zhobbs | also, you don't need getName(), just use MyService.class |
| 19:07.19 | zhobbs | You don't bind to an interface |
| 19:07.28 | android00 | yes but the examples does |
| 19:07.38 | jasta | android00: You're not much of a programmer, are you? |
| 19:08.19 | jasta | You seem to only want to copy and butcher code rather than thoughtfully analyze your requirements and the APIs you have in front of you. |
| 19:08.55 | jasta | Do you recognize that there is a problem with that approach? |
| 19:09.09 | zhobbs | Ahh, I see that the example does bind by interface name |
| 19:09.14 | muthu | jasta: really? ;) |
| 19:09.19 | android00 | its not necessary to develop the same thing again |
| 19:09.40 | muthu | any media widget available? |
| 19:09.49 | muthu | so i can hack it and make my own :) |
| 19:10.22 | android00 | @zhobbs: yes and thats what I dont understand, where comes thes service into game? |
| 19:10.33 | jasta | android00: It is necessary that you understand the APIs Android provides and how conceptually you would accomplish your goals. |
| 19:11.30 | zhobbs | android00: because you implement the Stub for your Interface in your service class |
| 19:11.32 | jasta | Your overall approach is wrong here, and you'll never learn to do this well until you change that. |
| 19:12.09 | jasta | Before you write any code, try to figure out the relationship between an activity, a service, and the interfaces generated by aidl files. |
| 19:12.11 | android00 | I just want to write to test example and not being a pro in programming android... |
| 19:12.44 | jasta | android00: Your intentions are irrelevant. You must understand what conceptually you need before you can implement it. |
| 19:13.17 | jasta | Mutating existing code hoping that it will just happen to work as you expect is futile. Stop doing that. |
| 19:13.25 | zhobbs | jasta: to be fair, I've worked with lots of programmers that lack that skill :) |
| 19:13.43 | jasta | Me too, but they're useless retards. |
| 19:14.06 | muthu | ha ha |
| 19:14.13 | android00 | yes the Service Creates the Stub...hm... |
| 19:14.27 | jasta | Thankfully in this setting, we can confess it to them. It's much harder when they share an office with you :) |
| 19:14.47 | jasta | android00: The service doesn't create the stub, the aidl generator does. |
| 19:14.54 | muthu | may be you can ask them to check out the #android channel |
| 19:14.58 | jasta | The service implements one of those interfaces, though. |
| 19:15.11 | jasta | Perhaps many of them, evenn. |
| 19:15.12 | jasta | even* |
| 19:16.02 | jasta | But for your case, it need only implement one. |
| 19:16.03 | muthu | jasta: how to implement the media tracker bar |
| 19:16.13 | jasta | Hmm? |
| 19:16.37 | zhobbs | muthu: horizontal progressbar? |
| 19:16.47 | muthu | yeah some sort of a progress bar |
| 19:16.54 | muthu | what's the best way to update? |
| 19:16.58 | jasta | a progress bar is implemented with a progress bar. |
| 19:17.00 | zhobbs | from thread |
| 19:17.15 | muthu | riht |
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| 19:17.34 | jasta | muthu: Can you maybe actually tell us what you're talking about? :) |
| 19:17.49 | muthu | jasta: i donno what it's called |
| 19:17.54 | jasta | Me neither, so describe it |
| 19:18.08 | jasta | what function does this thing perform? :) |
| 19:18.24 | muthu | zhobbs: help me, what is that damn thing called? |
| 19:18.35 | muthu | i call it the tracker |
| 19:18.55 | zhobbs | do you want to be able to move it? |
| 19:19.04 | muthu | yeah you should |
| 19:19.11 | zhobbs | very easy: http://www.helloandroid.com/node/250 |
| 19:19.53 | android00 | bindService(new Intent(IMyServices.class.getName(),mConnection,...) whats the difference to bindService(new Intent(MyActivity.this,MyService.class,mConnection,...) |
| 19:20.06 | zhobbs | just create subclass of ProgressBar and then override onTouchEvent |
| 19:20.11 | muthu | zhobbs: i'm check it out |
| 19:20.12 | muthu | thx |
| 19:22.28 | zhobbs | android00: good question...not sure why you would bind by interface name, couldn't an interface be used in multiple different services? |
| 19:22.44 | muthu | zhobbs: that looks like a progress bar update |
| 19:22.54 | muthu | which is fine.... |
| 19:23.13 | muthu | ok cool |
| 19:23.32 | android00 | the example does it..... i mean bind to my class works...but the interface does transmit any data between the activity and service... |
| 19:23.39 | zhobbs | muthu: you can change it graphically somehow, only prob is romainguy is the only guy who knows how :) |
| 19:23.49 | jasta | oh, you mean a slider? |
| 19:24.06 | android00 | i just cant figure out how the example works... which thing calls RemoteService.java (the service) ... i cant find this... |
| 19:24.12 | jasta | Google has a slider in the maps app :) |
| 19:24.19 | jasta | it's something to do with a level-based drawable |
| 19:24.24 | jasta | but who knows how to change it at all |
| 19:24.37 | jasta | android00: I told you to quit looking at code. |
| 19:24.43 | jasta | Code isn't going to help you understand this |
| 19:25.27 | android00 | for me its easier to understand code, the sentences what to do...because i dont know what to do then |
| 19:25.33 | jasta | You need to conceptually understand what it is that you need to implement before you can implement it. If I explain it one more time will I be wasting my time? |
| 19:25.45 | jasta | android00: It isn't easier because you don't understand shit. |
| 19:25.57 | zhobbs | android00: is english your first language? |
| 19:26.00 | muthu | android00: you said it was all working |
| 19:26.02 | android00 | no |
| 19:26.04 | muthu | what happened? |
| 19:26.25 | muthu | android00: i saw you sending vote of thanks to jasta :) |
| 19:26.35 | android00 | i thought its working... |
| 19:26.39 | jasta | He barely listened to me. |
| 19:26.50 | jasta | He just picked out pieces that were convenient for him and ran with it. |
| 19:26.57 | muthu | ha ha |
| 19:27.00 | jasta | Now he has a kludgy mess and still doesn't understand what I told him to do. |
| 19:27.14 | android00 | but then i saw that the activity binds to the service, but not in that way i need |
| 19:27.24 | zhobbs | android00: what does your service do? |
| 19:27.24 | jasta | But instead of ask questions about it, he just happily continues on assuming that he can make his code work if he randomly changes things. |
| 19:27.37 | jasta | to assume* |
| 19:28.59 | android00 | the service just starts some network things which are working fine but the activity needs to talk to the service |
| 19:29.44 | zhobbs | you familiar with debugging? Do you ever reach your ServiceConnection.onServiceConnected()? |
| 19:29.46 | android00 | man there is 1 little issue why it isnt working....you wont tell me this...instead you want me to understand the whole processing the android does.... |
| 19:30.24 | android00 | no it doesnt reach this code, because this code changes some Buttons from enabled to disabeld |
| 19:30.34 | android00 | and this doesnt happen |
| 19:31.36 | jasta | android00: Your issue is that you utterly refuse to understand that bindService will start your service is started, and so you must NOT implement your network activity in the service's onStart() method. |
| 19:31.37 | zhobbs | well, if you want to zip the project up and email I'll take a quick look, but it's kinda hard to debug over irc |
| 19:32.15 | jasta | will ensure your service is started, I meant. |
| 19:32.15 | android00 | jasta: i am not stupid! |
| 19:32.15 | jasta | android00: I know you're not, but you are trying to learn in a profoundly stupid way. |
| 19:32.37 | jasta | Compounded by your unwillingness to realize that. How many freaking hours have you spent on this problem? |
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| 19:33.11 | android00 | aehm i dont know... 5h? |
| 19:33.22 | jasta | Using a different approach, I implemented what you are trying to in just about an hour. Do you think maybe it's time for a different approach? |
| 19:33.52 | jasta | I had no advantage you did not have; I didn't write Android, I had to learn how it was supposed to work just as you do. |
| 19:35.25 | android00 | you are a professionell programmer, I am not... its not a week since I started with android.... I can understand code but if you say do this do that, that doesnt help me...because i dont know how to implement into my programm |
| 19:35.57 | jasta | Ugh. |
| 19:36.01 | jasta | You are so frustrating I want to scream. |
| 19:36.10 | jasta | Stop making excuses for yourself. |
| 19:36.16 | android00 | thats why i am looking at code and understand the whats the code doing... |
| 19:36.27 | jasta | Alright, forget it. Figure it out on your own. |
| 19:36.57 | jasta | Or perhaps one of these #android folks will just do it for you. |
| 19:37.05 | jasta | That way, you'll never have to learn. Perfect. |
| 19:37.33 | android00 | you say things something like "fruit."... after you said this, you want me to tell you the color.... |
| 19:37.58 | jasta | Shut up |
| 19:38.47 | android00 | i appreciate that you want me to help, but if u dont explain it in an easy way, how can i understand it? |
| 19:38.57 | android00 | to help me |
| 19:39.00 | jasta | Stop talking to me |
| 19:39.55 | zhobbs | lol |
| 19:40.34 | android00 | tz.... its like school.... if the teacher cant explain things in an easy way how can the children understand it.....tzzzzz |
| 19:42.19 | muthu | lol |
| 19:50.19 | acsia | ok the finish() happens, I can get back to the calling Activity but the view is not refreshed... |
| 19:50.24 | acsia | I am going mental |
| 19:50.30 | acsia | and this is still with R3 |
| 19:50.38 | acsia | and surfaveview was removed |
| 19:51.07 | acsia | i think it is enough for today |
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| 20:21.22 | f00f- | upgrade |
| 20:21.25 | f00f- | that's all i can say |
| 20:21.28 | f00f- | but it'll be a pain :D |
| 20:28.18 | android00 | if someone can tell me which command the Service starts (RemoteService.java) from the RemoteServiceBinding.java example that would be awesome |
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| 20:28.33 | f00f- | i'm goingout to lunch |
| 20:28.54 | Lede | shalom |
| 20:28.56 | Lede | hi |
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| 23:26.24 | jasta | interesting, i never knew about java's >>> operator. |
| 23:26.51 | jerkface03 | what is that again? unsigned shift? |
| 23:27.00 | jasta | basically |
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