| 00:04.01 | thedaniel` | hey folks, hoping someone could point me int he right direction re: Failure Delivering Result exception when hitting the back button |
| 00:04.18 | thedaniel` | this happens in my code, but it also happens in the tutorial Notepad app |
| 00:04.42 | thedaniel` | even just a link to relevant docs are fine, i don't mind educating myself, i just can't figure out just what the app expects |
| 00:08.50 | chaosvoyager | Wish I could help. Sorry. |
| 00:12.47 | jasta | it just occurred to me why this doesn't work as i expect. i can't have a floating point height ;) |
| 00:12.58 | jasta | i can't compute my own variance |
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| 00:21.19 | plusminus | hey guys |
| 00:21.20 | plusminus | I'm receiving a "Error broadcast null" in an IntentReceiver, after hitting the 'ahrware' "HangUp-Button". |
| 00:21.47 | plusminus | I'm calling in onFreeze() "unregisterReceiver" to the Locationamanger with the Intentreceiver causing the problem. |
| 00:22.34 | plusminus | Whats the reason for that Error ...? :( |
| 00:23.15 | plusminus | typo: 'ahrware' --> 'hardware' |
| 00:24.24 | plusminus | Exact Error Description is: "An error has occured in mypackage. Error receiving broadcast null in mypackage$myIntentReceiver@4016ca18" |
| 00:25.09 | plusminus | I know that you are not all sleeping :P |
| 00:25.43 | chaosvoyager | No, some of us are just dumbfounded :) |
| 00:26.04 | plusminus | ^^ |
| 00:26.21 | plusminus | I hope not because of my shitty english... |
| 00:27.20 | chaosvoyager | No. It's easily better than many native speakers I know. |
| 00:27.49 | plusminus | phew ;) |
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| 00:28.51 | acsia | is the loadUrl("file:///android_asset/html.html") working for webView? |
| 00:29.09 | plusminus | The Error window occurs when I can already see the homescreen. So I think that unRegisterReceiver is not correctly called or sth... (if I end my app with "normal" everything is fine) :( |
| 00:38.52 | plusminus | :'( |
| 00:39.00 | plusminus | :'-( |
| 00:39.00 | chaosvoyager | plusminus: have you tried -wipe-data? Perhaps the existing intent associations are not being changed. |
| 00:39.35 | chaosvoyager | Dude, I just figured out Android 5 minutes ago, gove me a break :) |
| 00:39.41 | plusminus | no i didn't but they didn't change since the last time I reset the emulator |
| 00:40.51 | chaosvoyager | Hmm, out of my league then. |
| 00:40.58 | plusminus | :) |
| 00:41.16 | plusminus | but -wipe-data is always a good try ;) |
| 00:41.58 | chaosvoyager | I learned that from Windows. |
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| 00:45.06 | chaosvoyager | BTW, good job with anddev.org. I'm not alone in thinking that it should get some of that Developer Challenge money. |
| 00:45.58 | plusminus | :D I don't expect that but I would really be fine... |
| 00:46.09 | plusminus | YOu think I should "submit" anddev ^^ ? |
| 00:48.52 | plusminus | I'm off guys... getting late ZzZzZzZzzzz... |
| 00:49.00 | plusminus | I'll ask that tomorrow again ;) |
| 00:49.02 | plusminus | bye |
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| 01:10.04 | chaosvoyager | How's Android's SAX performance? |
| 01:10.42 | dragor43 | seems fast to me |
| 01:11.41 | chaosvoyager | Ah, good. Wasn't sure if it was one of those things to avoid due to performance reasons. |
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| 01:14.26 | chaosvoyager | Come to think of it, I actually wonder why Android doesn't use SAX to parse Resources. DOM I can see (memory), but an XMLPullParser seems a bit limiting for future growth. |
| 01:16.09 | dragor43 | not sure about resources, but most of the XML files used in Android aren't plain-text |
| 01:16.21 | dragor43 | it's some sort of binary XML |
| 01:17.00 | dragor43 | XMLPullParser is the object which can read binary XML, so I'm guessing resources are that way too. |
| 01:17.20 | chaosvoyager | o_0 (binary) |
| 01:17.28 | chaosvoyager | huh. |
| 01:17.51 | dragor43 | yeah, if you pull an apk file out of the emulator and view it in a text editor you'll see what i mean |
| 01:18.04 | dragor43 | rather. pull the apk file out of the emulator and look at one of the layout xmls. |
| 01:18.29 | chaosvoyager | I wonder if the format is available. |
| 01:18.59 | dragor43 | there's some threads about it on the google groups. i haven't looked into it in too much detail. |
| 01:19.55 | chaosvoyager | I also wonder if the XMLPullParser used by Android is the same one available normally. I assume it is, because it's not directly documented in the Android docs. |
| 01:20.04 | dragor43 | but, I use SAX in my program to parse web services, and retrieving an parsing a reasonably sized web service response takes no more than a few seconds |
| 01:20.52 | dragor43 | for large responses it takes some time, but i don't know if that's from downloading the response or parsing it. |
| 01:20.54 | romainguy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.35 | dragor43 | romainguy_: I'm not separating the HTTP get from the parsing |
| 01:21.53 | romainguy_ | ok |
| 01:22.12 | chaosvoyager | Not in the world of SOA :P |
| 01:22.51 | chaosvoyager | Fast movements frighten the locals. |
| 01:25.47 | chaosvoyager | Though the worst case of bad use of web services was with Microsoft's robotics studio. They used SOAP, to control robots. 'Turn Left' never looked so large. |
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| 03:05.39 | f00f- | is jid_resource supposed to be null in the Im provider? |
| 03:27.33 | f00f- | it looks like gtalk is completely fucked up |
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| 03:47.45 | jasta | anyone around to test my widget? |
| 03:48.14 | romainguy_ | shoot |
| 03:48.37 | jasta | alright, let me upload it, one sec |
| 03:49.22 | jasta | http://jasta.dyndns.org/android/ |
| 03:51.54 | jasta | work ok? |
| 03:52.37 | romainguy_ | starting the emulator |
| 03:52.45 | romainguy_ | I had to find where I put my M5 SDK |
| 03:54.17 | jasta | i think i will use a custom font for the alphabet bar eventually. one that is more blocky. |
| 03:54.22 | romainguy_ | nice |
| 03:54.34 | romainguy_ | I'd be curious to try it on our current tree with the fling |
| 03:54.58 | jasta | it sections out based on the data too, so you could feed it any sorted list |
| 03:55.04 | jasta | you don't have to help it out at all |
| 03:55.23 | jasta | though i may offer that as a feature if you want to ramp up its efficiency. |
| 03:56.00 | jasta | romainguy_: doubt it would build against the current tree :) |
| 03:56.15 | jasta | if you don't give it a sorted list, though, it will probably freak out :) |
| 03:56.26 | romainguy_ | it won't build |
| 03:56.48 | romainguy_ | but I kinda know how to make it build :p |
| 03:56.57 | jasta | i'm especially curious what folks think of the default look |
| 03:57.58 | jasta | took me a long time to pick those colors and everything, sad as that may seem. |
| 03:58.27 | romainguy_ | to be blunt and honest, I think it looks bad |
| 03:58.36 | jasta | dang :) |
| 03:58.39 | romainguy_ | to be nice and polite, it is not what I would have chosen :)) |
| 03:59.43 | jasta | i picked the green because it seems that Android uses green a lot |
| 03:59.55 | jasta | i would have preferred a metal gray/light blue myself |
| 04:00.07 | jasta | but then that would look bad against the black background |
| 04:00.09 | romainguy_ | hmmm performance is not that great |
| 04:00.18 | romainguy_ | I think our next ListView will help a lot here |
| 04:00.43 | jasta | really? i can't see where a performance penalty would come from? |
| 04:01.20 | romainguy_ | we probably don't hand you the appropriate recycled view often enough |
| 04:01.24 | romainguy_ | forcing you to inflate too often |
| 04:01.33 | jasta | oh, perhaps |
| 04:02.02 | jasta | i could work around that by just inflating 27 of them when the adapter loads |
| 04:02.06 | jasta | and recycling them myself |
| 04:02.24 | jasta | but i dont care |
| 04:02.52 | jasta | i'm gonna look into the performance though to make sure that i haven't done something silly |
| 04:03.27 | romainguy_ | it's just that on the emulator a simple touch scroll feels a lot slower than on a regular list |
| 04:03.36 | romainguy_ | I should try on a prototype device |
| 04:03.36 | jasta | i thought so too, actually. |
| 04:03.58 | jasta | i could not tell if that was because i have created a very large list and there is some lingering brokenness there, or if it really was my widget |
| 04:04.13 | jasta | because i am recycling the views correctly and my lookup time is log 27 which should be quite fast. |
| 04:04.44 | romainguy_ | I'm pretty sure it's our fault |
| 04:05.03 | romainguy_ | we just don't give you the appropriate view to recycle |
| 04:05.18 | jasta | let me test. i already have a log line spitting out for every call to getView() (that may be affecting performance as well), i'll just add to it to see if the recycle attempt worked |
| 04:05.34 | romainguy_ | Log statements hurt performance :) |
| 04:05.39 | jasta | yes, i know |
| 04:05.46 | f00f- | romainguy_: do you know if gtalk data message receive is broken in m5? |
| 04:05.51 | romainguy_ | f00f-: no idea :) |
| 04:06.02 | romainguy_ | fuck you Leopard @!# |
| 04:06.09 | romainguy_ | it screwed my source tree again @!# |
| 04:06.14 | romainguy_ | that's thrice this month |
| 04:06.16 | romainguy_ | dammit |
| 04:06.17 | zhobbs | haha |
| 04:06.43 | chaosvoyager | Bad kitty. |
| 04:06.44 | romainguy_ | note: do not use a case-sensitive encrypted DMG file on an external hard drive to hold source code :) |
| 04:06.46 | jasta | romainguy_: Oh yeah, you're right. |
| 04:06.50 | jasta | conversion is unsuccessful quite often |
| 04:07.01 | romainguy_ | jasta: yeah I was afraid it was so |
| 04:07.12 | romainguy_ | jasta: it's one of our priorities for the next SDK though :) |
| 04:07.30 | jasta | it looks like it misses half the conversions in some cases |
| 04:07.32 | jasta | but it seems sporadic |
| 04:07.41 | jasta | sometimes it hits like 10 in a row |
| 04:07.45 | romainguy_ | yeah because you're doing just touch scrolling |
| 04:07.47 | jasta | then at other times it misses half or more in one scroll |
| 04:07.53 | romainguy_ | which is pretty predictable |
| 04:08.06 | romainguy_ | but with our fling scroll your misses would go up |
| 04:08.30 | romainguy_ | in the meantime you could just have your 27 separators in your own cache |
| 04:08.31 | jasta | no i mean even touch scrolling misses quite a lot |
| 04:09.02 | romainguy_ | yeah we need to do something about that |
| 04:09.15 | jasta | i suspect ViewInflate.inflate is pretty expensive too. |
| 04:09.22 | romainguy_ | it's very expensive |
| 04:09.25 | romainguy_ | hence the idea of the convertView |
| 04:09.37 | romainguy_ | but when ListView behaves correctly you get some pretty cool results |
| 04:09.51 | romainguy_ | like, as I mentioned before, 60 fps while flinging through a list of 1,000 items |
| 04:09.58 | romainguy_ | (on real hardware) |
| 04:10.35 | zhobbs | when/why does the convertView fail? |
| 04:11.12 | zhobbs | does it pass in null instead of view sometimes, or pass in unusable view? |
| 04:11.29 | jasta | romainguy_: performance also went up a lot when i removed the logging, hmm ;) |
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| 04:12.09 | jasta | zhobbs: my listview has row views of two different types |
| 04:12.17 | zhobbs | Ahh |
| 04:12.21 | zhobbs | I haven't done that yet |
| 04:12.22 | jasta | the adapter is given a view to convert in some cases that is of the wrong type for the current row |
| 04:12.26 | jasta | so it has to throw it away |
| 04:12.30 | zhobbs | I see |
| 04:13.51 | zhobbs | I've been casting convertView without any checking, etc, just making sure that wasn't a problem |
| 04:15.27 | romainguy_ | zhobbs: just an unusable view |
| 04:15.38 | romainguy_ | the problem is when you mix different kinds of views |
| 04:15.50 | jasta | i'm sad you think it's ugly :) |
| 04:15.52 | jasta | i tried so hard |
| 04:15.55 | romainguy_ | right now ListView just recycles all the views as if they were the same |
| 04:16.00 | romainguy_ | and just hands you a random view |
| 04:16.17 | zhobbs | jasta: did you release your scroller? |
| 04:16.21 | jasta | yeah |
| 04:16.26 | zhobbs | where? |
| 04:16.34 | jasta | right now, http://jasta.dyndns.org/android/ |
| 04:16.43 | jasta | just trying to get some feedback, then i will post it on my blog and the google groups |
| 04:17.45 | romainguy_ | jasta: that said, it's a cool widget that I wish we could offer in our framework |
| 04:17.54 | jasta | why can't you? |
| 04:18.02 | chaosvoyager | Don't feel bad jasta. From the sounds of it, you just followed thematic influences as opposed to perceptual. |
| 04:18.08 | romainguy_ | I am not sure and it's better for me to not know |
| 04:18.16 | romainguy_ | but as I said, it's almost guaranteed there's a patent on it |
| 04:18.29 | jasta | fuck apple, as i said before :) |
| 04:18.32 | romainguy_ | sure |
| 04:18.42 | romainguy_ | except Google would be liable :) |
| 04:19.18 | jasta | well, whatever. i bet if i improve it how i planned to it will be harder to fit into any existing patents. |
| 04:19.24 | zhobbs | I hate patents.... |
| 04:19.25 | jasta | i am planning to have it work like those visual typing keyboards |
| 04:19.39 | jasta | where as you select letters they shift aside and expose more letter choices |
| 04:19.43 | romainguy_ | jasta: I doubt you'll have any problem with it |
| 04:19.47 | zhobbs | everytime I want to start a business I get all revved up and find out that I would get sued asap |
| 04:19.50 | romainguy_ | but Google is a different matter |
| 04:19.58 | f00f- | isn't that already built-in with the new abc autocompletion thing? |
| 04:21.22 | zhobbs | jasta: just ran it, nice concept...like you said would be hard to use on a touchscreen |
| 04:21.42 | jasta | well, it's almost exactly what the iPhone has ;) |
| 04:21.52 | jasta | the only difference is that they have probably made the clickable area really huge, where i have not yet. |
| 04:22.02 | chaosvoyager | You know, I'd be willing to put a wager that every program submitted to the ADC will have a patent covering it. |
| 04:22.17 | zhobbs | chaosvoyager: I believe that |
| 04:22.44 | chaosvoyager | Well, now I know why I can't find anyone who will take that bet :P |
| 04:24.13 | f00f- | i can't wait for the next SDK release |
| 04:24.15 | chaosvoyager | Oh, and it's not comprehensive, but I've taking to observing how people use their iPhones, among the other little gadgets. Teenagers seem to have absolutely no problem using the unmagnified keyboard, and with one hand. |
| 04:24.32 | zhobbs | little fingers |
| 04:24.49 | romainguy_ | chaosvoyager: the key with iPhone's keyboard is simply to trust it |
| 04:25.05 | romainguy_ | I'm pretty sure I miss every letter I type but I very rarely need to use backspace |
| 04:25.29 | zhobbs | romainguy_: we need to see the on screen keyboard...it might end up covering up important screen area in our gui |
| 04:25.44 | chaosvoyager | ....trust...the iPhoone..... O_O |
| 04:25.58 | romainguy_ | zhobbs: what on screen keyboard? |
| 04:26.42 | zhobbs | well, I would think that a touchscreen phone like the HVGA skin would need an on screen keyboard when inputing text like the iphone |
| 04:26.54 | chaosvoyager | and zhobbs, they use their thumb, which while tiner is still the largest finger on their hands. |
| 04:27.56 | zhobbs | chaosvoyager: when I first heard about the iphone I bitched saying "I want buttons", but after using it it actually really works |
| 04:28.16 | romainguy_ | agreed |
| 04:28.47 | zhobbs | and I don't have one, but after playing with one for a couple mins I got used to it |
| 04:28.51 | chaosvoyager | I was just the opposite :) |
| 04:29.39 | chaosvoyager | It's as close to Jef Raskin's vision as I've ever seen on a device made after the '70. |
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| 04:31.58 | chaosvoyager | You know, in Japan, phone IM is so popular that kids write their school reports with them. There's even a computer keyboard designed like a phone because of this. Makes sense from a cultural standpoint, but I still find it bizzare. |
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| 04:34.02 | muthu | that makes sense |
| 04:34.39 | muthu | probably the same mobile culture would spread everywhere |
| 04:36.13 | romainguy_ | @!# Lightroom |
| 04:36.13 | jasta | http://devtcg.blogspot.com/2008/03/custom-android-list-view-widget-to.html |
| 04:36.16 | jasta | ok, there it is... |
| 04:36.36 | jasta | screenshot up there for the lazy folks :) |
| 04:37.11 | muthu | jasta: thanks |
| 04:37.52 | romainguy_ | jasta: "As an added bonus, the next SDK release for Android is said to offer a "fling" animation that will smoothly scroll the list when you use the sidebar." |
| 04:37.52 | chaosvoyager | What really amazes me is how girls manage to type so fast on a phone or sidekick without breaking a nail. Heck, I've wondered the same with those keyboard typists with REALLY long nails too. |
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| 04:38.00 | romainguy_ | no, the fling is when you fling the list with your finger :) |
| 04:44.09 | jasta | romainguy_: really? i was sure you meant something else by that. |
| 04:44.33 | jasta | i will change it, and instead implement that animation myself :) |
| 04:44.54 | romainguy_ | well since we have fling we could add the animation |
| 04:44.58 | romainguy_ | which would basically be a simulated fling |
| 04:45.42 | jasta | romainguy_: well, you really should |
| 04:46.05 | jasta | muthu: for what? |
| 04:46.05 | romainguy_ | I'm not sure whether we "really" should :) |
| 04:46.56 | muthu | jasta: for your latest opensource offerning ;) |
| 04:47.02 | duey | its a mirracle |
| 04:47.06 | duey | i am starting my project |
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| 04:48.06 | f00f- | is there some security permission i need to set to receive GTalk data messages? |
| 04:50.11 | muthu | f00f: what's the error? |
| 04:50.23 | f00f- | i'm not getting the intent |
| 04:50.28 | f00f- | no error, lack of data! |
| 04:50.41 | f00f- | D/gtalkSrv( 544): [DataMsgProvider] parseExtension: got (MyMessage, Hello, world!) |
| 04:50.44 | f00f- | is all i see on the console |
| 04:50.48 | f00f- | but it never gets delivered to my app |
| 04:51.37 | chaosvoyager | Romain returns...and Lightroom is nowhere to be found... |
| 04:52.00 | romainguy | ^^ |
| 04:52.13 | romainguy | I think Lightroom is trying to tell me it's time to upgrade to a MacPro ;-) |
| 04:52.35 | duey | yes |
| 04:52.44 | duey | my text editior did the same thing |
| 04:52.50 | romainguy | lol |
| 04:53.52 | duey | tesseract ftw! |
| 04:55.00 | romainguy | yeah I'm sure Lightroom and Photoshop would be less poopy on an 8-cores |
| 04:55.29 | duey | what have you currently got? |
| 04:55.42 | romainguy | a MacBook Pro 1st gen |
| 04:55.49 | romainguy | and a MacBook Pro 2nd gen |
| 04:55.50 | chaosvoyager | Vista is telling me I should upgrade this. Not exactly sure what it means by 'this', but I think a fling is involved. |
| 04:55.55 | duey | surely they can run them |
| 04:55.56 | romainguy | and a 4-cores Mac Pro at work |
| 04:56.01 | romainguy | duey: I wish |
| 04:56.08 | romainguy | I mean they can but it's quite painful |
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| 04:56.13 | duey | what are adobe doing? |
| 04:56.30 | romainguy | well it's mostly a combination of large screen, slow hard drive and not enough RAM :) |
| 04:56.53 | duey | /* speed up loop */ for(int i=0; i < 10000000; i++) { sleep(1); } |
| 04:57.31 | romainguy | Lightroom is actually surprisingly fast considering what it's doing |
| 04:58.05 | chaosvoyager | Technically, those Santa Rosa machines can support 8gb, though other than Dell I've yet to find a company to claim support for such. |
| 04:58.23 | chaosvoyager | But Lightroom makes heavy use of the GPU, doesn't it? |
| 04:58.36 | romainguy | it does |
| 04:58.38 | duey | is lightroom like apeture? |
| 04:58.43 | romainguy | it is |
| 04:58.47 | duey | right |
| 04:58.54 | duey | cheater |
| 04:58.56 | chaosvoyager | say so much so they do battle on the internet. |
| 04:59.19 | f00f- | <3 lightroom's zippyness at times |
| 04:59.55 | duey | photoshop 5.5 |
| 04:59.56 | duey | ftw. |
| 05:00.04 | duey | now thats fast! |
| 05:00.25 | romainguy | duey: too bad it does not support RAW files :) |
| 05:00.30 | duey | lol |
| 05:01.44 | chaosvoyager | nVidia confounds me. They claim their new mobile platform is exclusively Windows Mobile, and yet they back OpenKODE (Open GL ES, OpenVG, OpenSL, essentially an open source DirectX stack). |
| 05:02.11 | f00f- | lol |
| 05:05.04 | chaosvoyager | That's really something to watch though. I think the Khronos APIs will have a major impact on mobile devices regardless. |
| 05:09.52 | romainguy | OpenGL|ES 2 is quite nice |
| 05:11.10 | chaosvoyager | Indeed. |
| 05:12.56 | duey | i miss 2d |
| 05:13.18 | romainguy | duey: I use pixel shaders for 2D only :)) |
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| 05:16.26 | chaosvoyager | First thing I tried to do in WPF was a paint program, only to find out that I couldn't actually read and update the individual pixels, only ALL of them. |
| 05:16.55 | chaosvoyager | The WinForm bitmap was actually more functional. |
| 05:17.29 | romainguy | does it work like Flash with a display list? |
| 05:17.47 | chaosvoyager | heck, for about 2 hours, I was wondering why there were two bitmap classes that seemed to almost, but nooot quite, do the same thing. |
| 05:18.04 | chaosvoyager | Display list? |
| 05:18.58 | romainguy | well in flash if you call graphics.drawline(0, 0, 100, 100) it draws a line on screen |
| 05:19.17 | romainguy | but if later, let's say on a button event, you call graphics.drawline(200, 200, 300, 300) you end up with two lines |
| 05:19.18 | chaosvoyager | Ah, winforms does that. |
| 05:19.25 | romainguy | Flash just keeps a list of all the commands |
| 05:19.36 | chaosvoyager | The WPF, does not, if I remember. |
| 05:19.53 | romainguy | ok |
| 05:19.54 | chaosvoyager | It's just a bitmap, with global filters applied. |
| 05:23.31 | chaosvoyager | WPF wants you to describe as much as you can with XAML, which isn't really that far off from SVG, and it actually has some features I really like. And me liking anything in computing is rather rare. |
| 05:25.18 | chaosvoyager | Speaking of which, are there any plans to enrich or replace Android's XML layout/resource format before release? |
| 05:26.13 | romainguy | replace it? |
| 05:28.35 | chaosvoyager | Well, once you go past a certain number of changes... |
| 05:29.06 | romainguy | ? |
| 05:30.05 | chaosvoyager | Change enough of something and you effectively replace it (*shakes hands*), anyway, bad choice of words. |
| 05:31.53 | romainguy | I don't think we are planning on changing the XML format |
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| 05:35.43 | chaosvoyager | It's just that out of all the markup I've used for similar domains (like SVG, XAML MXML, XUL, one I forgot), I find it very limited. |
| 05:37.05 | romainguy | we have different goals than those formats |
| 05:37.30 | chaosvoyager | like what? |
| 05:37.39 | romainguy | being simple :)) |
| 05:38.21 | romainguy | what are the limitations you find in our format? |
| 05:38.57 | chaosvoyager | I think you can pull off simple and powerful. |
| 05:39.13 | romainguy | how is our format not powerful? |
| 05:44.26 | duey | My ocr is working well |
| 05:44.26 | duey | 11ick@11ickjc11ki11.c0m |
| 05:44.54 | chaosvoyager | Well first, looked something up. It does appear that Google is following the namespaces recommendation by prefacing 'android:' to every attribute, but dear lord does it make it unnecessarily verbose. |
| 05:44.56 | duey | at least it knows leet speak |
| 05:45.05 | chaosvoyager | heh, |
| 05:46.56 | duey | they better make the cameras not suck :| |
| 05:49.06 | chaosvoyager | secondly, you can't just display the scene graph without also writing Java to read the Resource and render it. The only thing I should need to write in Java are the event handlers. |
| 05:51.16 | romainguy | which is basically what you do... |
| 05:51.25 | romainguy | what resources are you reading and rendering? |
| 05:52.27 | duey | its amazing what some people write in research papers |
| 05:52.42 | duey | blabling on for a few pages about image formats |
| 05:52.44 | duey | zzz |
| 05:53.15 | chaosvoyager | heh, have to establish that tenure before they get fired somehow :) |
| 05:53.56 | duey | video formats now.. |
| 06:00.42 | chaosvoyager | romainguy: mostly layouts and drawables, why? |
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| 06:03.19 | chaosvoyager | duey: at one point there was an excellent, and I mean excellent, Flash based tutorial on the JPEG2000 format. I think I have the Flash files somewhere, but the tutorial just dissapeared off the net. |
| 06:03.57 | chaosvoyager | It's the only image format I ever thought was 'cool' |
| 06:05.47 | romainguy | I also really like Microsoft's HD Photo format |
| 06:06.45 | chaosvoyager | That's also a great format, but it's not as cool :) |
| 06:06.55 | romainguy | depends on what your purpose is :) |
| 06:07.40 | chaosvoyager | Cool has no purpose other than COOL :) |
| 06:07.49 | duey | chaosvoyager, im reading a paper on location of text within a photo |
| 06:08.06 | duey | and its got 5 papers explaining gif, tif, jpg, video |
| 06:08.11 | duey | and binary images |
| 06:08.19 | chaosvoyager | Ridiculous. |
| 06:08.29 | duey | (because people reading the paper might not know right?) |
| 06:08.47 | chaosvoyager | It distracts from the essential algorithm. |
| 06:10.08 | chaosvoyager | At least they don't cover any RAW formats. |
| 06:11.53 | duey | haha |
| 06:12.02 | duey | would RAW be easy? |
| 06:12.09 | duey | isn't it just well raw image data? |
| 06:12.19 | romainguy | duey: not quite |
| 06:12.26 | romainguy | I mean yes |
| 06:12.31 | romainguy | but from a camera sensor |
| 06:12.39 | duey | ah |
| 06:12.47 | duey | so its /really/ raw image data |
| 06:12.54 | chaosvoyager | And each camera does it differently. |
| 06:13.01 | duey | oh thats smart |
| 06:13.01 | chaosvoyager | Justr for fun. |
| 06:13.43 | romainguy | and they have crazy formats like using 12 bits per color component |
| 06:14.24 | duey | O.o |
| 06:14.32 | chaosvoyager | Well, wouldn't be so bad if they were clearer on what their formats actually LOOKED like. RAW is a bit notorious for being completely open and completely undocumented. |
| 06:14.34 | romainguy | (or 14 with newer models) |
| 06:14.39 | chaosvoyager | Just for fun |
| 06:14.49 | romainguy | well there's the DNG :) |
| 06:15.33 | chaosvoyager | Yes, there are times I cheer for my media overlords to bring order to this madness. |
| 06:16.00 | romainguy | yeah I wish I had the courage to turn all of my .cr2 to DNG |
| 06:16.02 | chaosvoyager | Wait, Google had a RAW problem recently, where the heck did I hear that? |
| 06:16.03 | romainguy | but prfffff :) |
| 06:16.38 | chaosvoyager | Yes, that may be very difficult now that Lightroom is dead. |
| 06:16.47 | romainguy | lol |
| 06:16.49 | duey | dead? |
| 06:16.54 | romainguy | it would just take a loong time :) |
| 06:17.22 | duey | emacs can do it |
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| 06:19.03 | duey | so raw stores more data than humans can see |
| 06:19.04 | duey | thats cool |
| 06:19.45 | romainguy | yes but camera sensors have a linear response |
| 06:19.56 | romainguy | so they suck with shadows |
| 06:20.25 | duey | right |
| 06:20.32 | chaosvoyager | I did not know that. |
| 06:20.37 | duey | i have negative camera knowledge |
| 06:21.13 | romainguy | chaosvoyager: yes, that's why it's easier to lose details in shadows than in highlights |
| 06:21.21 | romainguy | therefore, it's a good idea to always "expose to the right" |
| 06:21.38 | romainguy | you overexpose the image on purpose to avoid losing details in the shadows |
| 06:21.49 | romainguy | and when you process the RAW you just adjust the exposure |
| 06:22.13 | duey | i really like those images which are bluish |
| 06:23.33 | romainguy | what bluish images? |
| 06:23.55 | duey | they have a blue filter |
| 06:25.02 | duey | cant find any |
| 06:39.46 | chaosvoyager | Speaking of can't find, that's exactly what do with JPEG2000 tutorial I can't. |
| 06:40.11 | chaosvoyager | and my programatic grammar is obviously leaking into my English. |
| 06:40.45 | chaosvoyager | The paper based on it is here: http://omen.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/itiamsl/cms/upload/lehre/winter06_07/content.pdf |
| 06:42.59 | chaosvoyager | Well worth a read just to get an idea of how to explain complex concepts simply. |
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| 07:52.32 | jasta | might be time for bed for me |
| 07:52.45 | chaosvoyager | (*looks at clock*) |
| 07:52.56 | chaosvoyager | crap, yes -_- |
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| 09:01.36 | plusminus | good morning |
| 09:01.46 | romainguy | oy |
| 09:02.12 | plusminus | View.android.policy.PhoneWindow$DecorView must be attached to a window ??? |
| 09:02.33 | romainguy | you're calling runOnUiThread too early :) |
| 09:02.36 | plusminus | heard somewhere that occurs when updating a View from non GUI |
| 09:02.46 | romainguy | yep |
| 09:02.52 | romainguy | when the view is not yet showing on screen |
| 09:03.02 | romainguy | I should just get rid of the facility |
| 09:03.10 | plusminus | I'm not using runOnUIThread (just myHandler.postDelayed()) |
| 09:03.30 | romainguy | what's the complete stack trace? |
| 09:03.34 | plusminus | same issue ? |
| 09:03.49 | romainguy | what's the complete stack trace when you get this error? |
| 09:04.41 | plusminus | ERROR/AndroidRuntime(596): Uncaught handler: thread Thread-965 exiting due to uncaught exception |
| 09:04.45 | plusminus | ERROR/AndroidRuntime(596): java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: View android.policy.PhoneWindow$DecorView@403e1880 must be attached to a window |
| 09:04.49 | plusminus | ERROR/AndroidRuntime(596): at android.view.UIThreadUtilities.isUIThread(UIThreadUtilities.java:45) |
| 09:04.54 | plusminus | ERROR/AndroidRuntime(596): at android.view.UIThreadUtilities.runOnUIThread(UIThreadUtilities.java:64) |
| 09:04.58 | plusminus | ERROR/AndroidRuntime(596): at android.view.UIThreadUtilities.runOnUIThread(UIThreadUtilities.java:102) |
| 09:05.03 | plusminus | ERROR/AndroidRuntime(596): at android.app.ProgressDialog.dismiss(ProgressDialog.java:127) |
| 09:05.06 | plusminus | ERROR/AndroidRuntime(596): at org.anddev.android.andnav.ui.map.DDMap$5.run(DDMap.java:409) |
| 09:05.07 | romainguy | ah ok |
| 09:05.13 | romainguy | you're dismissing the dialog before it shows up |
| 09:05.37 | plusminus | ah ok thx |
| 09:05.51 | romainguy | hmm I should do something about this but it's not that easy to fix |
| 09:05.54 | romainguy | I've been trying already |
| 09:05.56 | romainguy | sorry for this |
| 09:06.08 | plusminus | np, I can handle this |
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| 09:06.48 | niket | is anybody there? |
| 09:07.08 | plusminus | It was just when the Driver is absolutely not driving the route suggested that the route needed to be refreshed pretty often ^^ |
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| 09:07.16 | plusminus | maybe... ;) |
| 09:08.23 | niket | Hi plusminus, I am really impressed with anddev.org site and further I need some information regarding android inbuilt application, if you know or anybody knows? |
| 09:09.11 | niket | is anybody there? |
| 09:09.11 | davidw | niket, where's there? |
| 09:09.34 | niket | I know calling toggleTraffic method led to showing traffic overlay. |
| 09:09.45 | niket | I am interested in knowing how traffic overlay functionality work in |
| 09:09.57 | niket | inbuilt map application in emulator and when we slide the map to left |
| 09:09.59 | acsia | morning |
| 09:10.08 | niket | or right, it renders the traffic accordingly. |
| 09:10.22 | plusminus | just an overlay feed from the net |
| 09:10.23 | niket | Can you help me in understanding how it shows red, yellow and green |
| 09:10.25 | plusminus | (imo) |
| 09:10.39 | muthu | any media widget available? |
| 09:10.55 | niket | color on the road showing traffic condition? How those overlay works? and how accurate |
| 09:10.57 | muthu | now don't make me really write that code :( |
| 09:11.13 | niket | is the traffic condition? I am really interested in knowing how |
| 09:11.25 | niket | traffic view works in emulator. |
| 09:12.01 | muthu | the best i can find for now is dims |
| 09:12.56 | plusminus | It seems to work in US only ^^ |
| 09:13.01 | niket | yeah |
| 09:13.56 | plusminus | yes, I think it is the traffic condition (red is probably heavy traffic-jam, yellow maybe flowing but high density...) |
| 09:14.12 | romainguy | it is |
| 09:14.30 | plusminus | ^^ |
| 09:14.33 | niket | yeah I know about those color but how it overlay on road with different color |
| 09:15.11 | niket | how to draw different colors or any mark on roads.... |
| 09:15.29 | plusminus | hm.. we can just toggle on/off... |
| 09:15.29 | davidw | "no matter how wealthy you are, stuck in traffic on 101 is stuck in traffic in 101" |
| 09:15.36 | plusminus | I don't >think< it is possible WE can change the color |
| 09:15.59 | niket | we can't .....but how it works.... |
| 09:16.11 | romainguy | davidw: so true... so true... |
| 09:16.28 | romainguy | davidw: actually traffic is pretty much the normal state of 101 ^^ |
| 09:16.34 | niket | how it overlay any line on the road...how to draw overlay on the road |
| 09:16.35 | plusminus | niket: you want to know how Overlays work at all ? |
| 09:16.53 | niket | yeah how overlay works on raod |
| 09:16.55 | niket | road |
| 09:17.28 | niket | how to determine the road line in map and draw overlay on the side of road |
| 09:17.28 | plusminus | Something like this...: http://www.anddev.org/images/tut/map/andnav/screencast.htm :P |
| 09:17.29 | davidw | yeah.... and what with not even being wealthy, it's one reason I'm hoping to avoid that area... the problem is that it's sort of a black hole for tech work:-/ it pulls you towards it, even if you're on the other side of the world |
| 09:17.30 | muthu | davidw: unless you are filthy rich that you are flying in a private jet |
| 09:17.46 | romainguy | davidw: that's what happened to me :)) |
| 09:17.55 | romainguy | muthu: nah because the airport is on 101 :)) |
| 09:17.58 | davidw | muthu, you can't go from palo alto to SF in a jet |
| 09:18.11 | muthu | ha ha |
| 09:18.18 | niket | let me check that link |
| 09:18.19 | muthu | you have a chopper, fly from your rooftop |
| 09:18.35 | plusminus | niket: I know no way to get all streets sorrounding! |
| 09:18.44 | davidw | romainguy, you're french? |
| 09:18.48 | romainguy | davidw: yes |
| 09:19.32 | davidw | ah, cool. That's a place I'd consider going. The language isn't easy, but far more legible, if nothing else, than German |
| 09:19.43 | romainguy | ahah |
| 09:19.49 | romainguy | I studied German for 8 years |
| 09:19.53 | romainguy | 6 hours a week |
| 09:19.58 | romainguy | spent a few months over there |
| 09:19.59 | plusminus | guten tag :) |
| 09:20.16 | romainguy | and today all I can say is Ich möchte gern ein bisschen Kuchen essen |
| 09:20.24 | romainguy | which is probably all I need to survive anyway :) |
| 09:20.29 | davidw | I studied it in high school, but it was completely replaced in my brain by Italian |
| 09:20.40 | plusminus | the sentence was pretty good ^^ |
| 09:20.42 | davidw | romainguy, "grosses bier, bitte" is another good one |
| 09:20.49 | romainguy | lol |
| 09:20.51 | niket | plusminus, it is really interesting....can I see the sourcecode of that application...I am interested in drawing overlay on the road |
| 09:20.52 | plusminus | :D |
| 09:21.17 | romainguy | plusminus: no matter how hard I tried to suck at it, my teachers managed to teach me a few things ;-)) |
| 09:21.51 | plusminus | romainguy: german is said to be pretty hard to understand, but I cannot imagine that :P |
| 09:21.57 | romainguy | plusminus: I was actually surprised when I spent a week there a couple of years a go for a contract job; I was able to understand most of what people were telling me |
| 09:22.07 | plusminus | niket: sorry not of the whole application (probably a adc submission) |
| 09:22.15 | romainguy | the problem was that I couldn't talk :) |
| 09:22.35 | plusminus | so its just like Latin I had at school ^^ |
| 09:22.43 | romainguy | plusminus: I did that too :) |
| 09:22.47 | plusminus | how dead can a language be... |
| 09:22.47 | romainguy | with Greek |
| 09:23.03 | plusminus | propably not better |
| 09:23.16 | romainguy | Greek has the weird alphabet :) |
| 09:23.30 | plusminus | alpha beta gamma delta.... epsilon... zeta...omega |
| 09:23.35 | romainguy | but living in California I now think I should have learned spanish :p |
| 09:23.57 | plusminus | haha |
| 09:23.59 | davidw | shouldn't be that hard, at least to read and understand some |
| 09:24.35 | plusminus | I still can remember people saying "Latin will help you everywhere in future"... |
| 09:24.46 | romainguy | plusminus: it's actually true when you speak French :) |
| 09:24.52 | davidw | I got by ok in spain, although it was weird: I speak a bit more of it than my wife does, but being Italian, she understood a bit more than me, so often I'd speak to someone, they'd respond, she'd fill in the bits I missed, I'd speak again, and so on |
| 09:24.54 | romainguy | and it's a good mental exercise I guess |
| 09:25.07 | plusminus | I know that equus is horse but... |
| 09:25.08 | acsia | and you never know, the Romans might take over again |
| 09:25.10 | romainguy | davidw: that's what my parents do with English :)) |
| 09:25.19 | plusminus | yes to concentrate on things you definitely do not want to do... |
| 09:25.46 | davidw | acsia, they have even worse traffic than 101... I don't think they'd even manage to get out of Rome |
| 09:26.01 | romainguy | davidw: that's how we avoid being invaded :) |
| 09:26.03 | acsia | lol true |
| 09:26.10 | plusminus | nevertheless French Food might become World Heritage !!! |
| 09:26.32 | plusminus | i just laughed when I heard that :D |
| 09:26.39 | romainguy | ? |
| 09:26.53 | plusminus | mom I#ll find an article... |
| 09:26.53 | davidw | Berlusconi had some mumblings about trying to 'certify' "real" italian food |
| 09:27.01 | acsia | haha |
| 09:27.13 | acsia | Berlusconi typical italian |
| 09:27.20 | davidw | honestly there is a lot of crap that tries to pass itself off as 'italian' |
| 09:27.25 | davidw | acsia, woah |
| 09:27.27 | plusminus | http://www.whytraveltofrance.com/2008/02/23/sarkozy-wants-french-food-to-have-a-unesco-world-heritage-listing/ |
| 09:27.32 | romainguy | davidw: like italian restaurants here? :) |
| 09:27.42 | romainguy | plusminus: well I don't know about that but I sure miss the food :p |
| 09:27.43 | acsia | you remember the french telling the italian that the only thing britain gave to the food industry was the mad cow disease? |
| 09:27.47 | muthu | i heard greek food is the best! |
| 09:27.58 | muthu | *heard* |
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| 09:28.05 | acsia | it was chirac telling berlusconi afair |
| 09:28.10 | plusminus | romainguy: "Moule&Frites" damn I love that !! |
| 09:28.12 | cutmasta | mornin |
| 09:28.21 | romainguy | plusminus: that's more like Belgium |
| 09:28.22 | acsia | moules frites is the best but that s belgium# |
| 09:28.32 | romainguy | but close enough ;-) |
| 09:28.38 | davidw | romainguy, if you want a decent one, Pazzia was pretty good last time I was in SF http://maps.google.com/maps?q=-&sll=37783238,-122398232&latlng=37783238,-122398232,9195357315675046883 |
| 09:28.59 | romainguy | davidw: hey, that's two blocks from were I live |
| 09:29.03 | romainguy | ah wait |
| 09:29.14 | plusminus | romainguy: It is ? They are selling it every 10 meters in the Bretagnè... |
| 09:29.36 | plusminus | <-- flabbergasted ! |
| 09:30.23 | davidw | acsia, there are a lot of smart, honest, hard working people in Italy... Berlusconi isn't 'typical'. Unfortunately, as Italian politicians go, he isn't too far from the average:-( |
| 09:30.57 | acsia | he owns half the state television and is the richest man in Italy, just does not seem right to govern |
| 09:31.01 | acsia | a bit similar |
| 09:31.09 | acsia | to russia |
| 09:31.17 | plusminus | niket: Sorry almost forgot your question.. |
| 09:31.24 | plusminus | Have a look at this: http://www.anddev.org/google_driving_directions_-_mapview_overlayed-t826.html |
| 09:31.28 | plusminus | it might help you further |
| 09:32.22 | muthu | davidw: how? |
| 09:32.41 | davidw | muthu, lots of ugly steps. I'll post it on my blog when I've got it working |
| 09:33.13 | davidw | the problem is that the package must be unique, it's not easy to replace the .xml file, and any number of other minor irritations |
| 09:33.31 | muthu | davidw: why we need this? |
| 09:33.43 | romainguy | muthu: davidw needs it :) |
| 09:33.53 | muthu | makes sense :) |
| 09:33.53 | davidw | to generate Hecl apps, of course:-) |
| 09:34.10 | davidw | I think others might find it useful though |
| 09:35.16 | acsia | I am trying to create a system wide aware app, was thinking about implementing my own context... |
| 09:35.21 | acsia | anybody done that? |
| 09:35.50 | romainguy | what do you mean by system wide aware? |
| 09:36.22 | acsia | well that I can hook into applications outside the scope of mine |
| 09:36.52 | romainguy | to do what? |
| 09:36.59 | acsia | for instance, an automatic update application |
| 09:37.30 | duey | acsia, your app would be a provider |
| 09:37.41 | duey | and other apps would connect |
| 09:37.49 | romainguy | I'm not sure we want to let you write something that can hook into any other app... |
| 09:37.57 | romainguy | Just a personal thought :) |
| 09:38.01 | duey | ^ AGreed |
| 09:38.09 | acsia | well can t I create my own context |
| 09:38.13 | davidw | damn I hate dealing with files in Java |
| 09:38.16 | acsia | and have other app use my context |
| 09:38.18 | muthu | romainguy: i'm sure you don't |
| 09:38.33 | muthu | that would be dangerous |
| 09:38.47 | romainguy | davidw: yeah I can't wait for the JSR to be ready |
| 09:38.59 | davidw | which one? |
| 09:39.02 | romainguy | JSR 203 |
| 09:43.24 | acsia | can a view be parcelable? |
| 09:43.46 | romainguy | why not save only its internal state? |
| 09:44.05 | acsia | hum |
| 09:44.19 | romainguy | I mean the one specific to your application |
| 09:47.05 | davidw | ... PrintWriter out = new PrintWriter(new BufferedWriter(new FileWriter("foo.out"))); ... this is what I'm talking about... yikes |
| 09:47.43 | romainguy | davidw: yeah but it's also extremely flexible and powerful |
| 09:47.47 | romainguy | albeit a tad annoying I admit |
| 09:47.57 | acsia | so romainguy where are you from in France?# |
| 09:48.10 | romainguy | acsia: yes |
| 09:48.29 | acsia | I mean which city |
| 09:48.40 | romainguy | I'm from Lyon |
| 09:48.41 | acsia | I am lived in Antibes |
| 09:48.52 | romainguy | sorry I read a little too quickly :) |
| 09:49.12 | acsia | and now in the US? |
| 09:49.21 | acsia | isn't it a bit late now? |
| 09:49.27 | romainguy | it's almost 2am |
| 09:49.46 | acsia | nice how many coffees? |
| 09:50.12 | romainguy | I hate coffee :) |
| 09:51.24 | acsia | I can t live without it :) |
| 09:52.49 | plusminus | its funny to see coffee-addicts without 3 cups of their brown gold in the morning ^^ |
| 09:52.57 | plusminus | they look like: o_O |
| 09:53.27 | acsia | yes I can relate to that |
| 09:54.15 | acsia | and I have 3 espressos, from my own brew of very strong beans |
| 09:54.31 | acsia | before ~I am even able to work |
| 09:55.32 | davidw | ahahahahaha |
| 09:56.09 | davidw | I can't stand coffee either. My friends in Italy don't understand that it's not Italian coffee or American coffee or whatever... it's just disgusting |
| 09:56.19 | romainguy | same thing |
| 09:56.21 | davidw | tastes like dirt |
| 09:56.24 | romainguy | yep |
| 09:59.08 | davidw | the problem with this file stuff isn't the flexibility, it's that it's a bad UI. Flexibility should be available, but not the default |
| 09:59.27 | davidw | there should be one or a few defaults for what most people want to do with something |
| 09:59.38 | romainguy | davidw: it's not really about defaults |
| 09:59.45 | romainguy | it's more about having a higher level of abstraction |
| 09:59.52 | romainguy | kinda like Python's readlines() |
| 09:59.53 | davidw | well... yes |
| 10:00.01 | romainguy | and it's what JSR 203 is about |
| 10:00.48 | davidw | Tcl does this nicely with options... set sk [socket www.google.com 80] gets you a socket. If you want to do clever things, you can pass all kinds of options in to do more advanced stuff |
| 10:01.37 | romainguy | as opposed to new Socket("www.google.com", 80)? :)) |
| 10:05.37 | muthu | are people using tcl anymore? |
| 10:05.51 | davidw | sure |
| 10:05.51 | romainguy | muthu: davidw is writing his own version :) |
| 10:06.03 | muthu | :) |
| 10:06.11 | muthu | i would love to use some "expect" |
| 10:06.25 | davidw | expect is a cool solution to an ugly problem, IMO |
| 10:06.51 | muthu | its cool |
| 10:07.03 | muthu | yes, its ugly coming to think of it ;) |
| 10:07.32 | davidw | nice applications provide APIs and don't make you interact with the user interface |
| 10:07.56 | romainguy | I just looked it up |
| 10:08.00 | romainguy | sounds very ugly indeed :) |
| 10:08.18 | romainguy | reminds me of this Java API that lets you read and write from and to telnet applications |
| 10:08.32 | romainguy | so that you can slap a modern UI on top of an old app |
| 10:09.43 | plusminus | hm when I have my app running in the emualtor. Then I just deploy again it without ending it properly before. |
| 10:10.02 | plusminus | It is pretty possible that perhaps IntentReceiver is nor properly unregistered, right? |
| 10:10.15 | plusminus | (I'm unregistering in onFreeze() |
| 10:11.01 | romainguy | I don't remember whether onFreeze() is called in that case |
| 10:11.08 | plusminus | because my app is receiving really >>old<< intents |
| 10:11.08 | romainguy | why don't you unregister it in onDestroy() too? |
| 10:13.04 | plusminus | good point. But principally onFreeze() 'should' be enough...? |
| 10:13.36 | romainguy | in that case I don't know |
| 10:13.51 | romainguy | last app I wrote was Home and it never freezes :) |
| 10:14.00 | romainguy | I unregister all the receivers in onDestroy() |
| 10:14.02 | romainguy | or maybe onStop() |
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| 10:15.22 | plusminus | kk |
| 10:15.44 | muthu | an ugly looking media widget is ready, yay! |
| 10:15.49 | plusminus | If I hit the HANGUP-Button, while my app is running I receive the following: |
| 10:15.55 | plusminus | ERROR/AndroidRuntime(6129): java.lang.RuntimeException: Error receiving broadcast null in org.anddev.android.andnav.ui.map.IGPSMapActivity$MyLocationChangedIntentReceiver@401bc3f8 |
| 10:16.19 | plusminus | If I hit "BACK" + "BACK" no problem occurs. |
| 10:16.41 | davidw | I hate answering the door here, no idea what they are saying... could be "hi, I have a million euros for you" or "I feel like kicking someone, are you available?" |
| 10:16.46 | plusminus | maybe a similar issue to not correctly unregistering g? |
| 10:16.55 | romainguy | davidw: ?? |
| 10:17.35 | davidw | romainguy, it's hard enough to hear through the speakerphone, let alone in a language I don't understand |
| 10:18.13 | romainguy | ^^ |
| 10:18.43 | muthu | 1 min coding + 1 min irc chat = killer android app ;) |
| 10:20.33 | plusminus | my gosh... I'm receiving millions(!) of the following warnings, having ended my app once with the "HANG-UP"-Button: |
| 10:21.01 | plusminus | WARN/ActivityManager(508): Failure sending broadcast Intent { action=org.andnav.intent.LOCATION_CHANGED extras=Bundle[{location=Location[mProvider=gps,mTime=1........l]}] } |
| 10:21.12 | plusminus | this looks so much like a failed unregistering :( |
| 10:23.39 | plusminus | Feels like I need a -wipe-data ^^ |
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| 10:39.46 | plusminus | Anyone also wonders why there is no route from SanFrancisco to Germany... I'm an idiot... |
| 10:47.12 | muthu | plusminus: having fun heh |
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| 10:56.24 | plusminus | btw: it works so much better after a single -wipe-data |
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| 10:58.57 | lenni_-_ | i've got a problem importing google's exercise files into eclipse. |
| 11:00.03 | lenni_-_ | it says that there is no activity name defined in androidmanifest.xml |
| 11:00.17 | plusminus | they are probably still m3 examples |
| 11:00.21 | plusminus | not updated to m5 |
| 11:00.44 | plusminus | so replace everything attribute it shows an error on with: |
| 11:00.50 | plusminus | android:name |
| 11:01.09 | lenni_-_ | should i edit androidmanifest.xml manually or wait until they get updated? |
| 11:01.14 | Smoke_Screen | or right click on Project Android Tools->Fix Proj Properties |
| 11:01.46 | plusminus | Smoke_Screen: that works for the MAnifets too ? |
| 11:02.27 | Smoke_Screen | had a problem with project looking in wrong location for lib file |
| 11:02.50 | Smoke_Screen | thought he might be having a similar prob |
| 11:03.15 | plusminus | hm yes could also eb a part of the problem. |
| 11:04.08 | plusminus | Problem: I'm posting a message to a Handler with Delay like 5 seconds. Within these 5 seconds the Activity gets closed. |
| 11:04.18 | Smoke_Screen | plusminus: Cool we site y the way. will be registering |
| 11:04.18 | plusminus | So when the RUnnable gets executed I get an Exception like "Is your Activity still running?". |
| 11:05.28 | plusminus | :) funny that so much people know my name :D |
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| 11:06.30 | Smoke_Screen | plusminus: Moderators are the Gods of the internet |
| 11:06.34 | Smoke_Screen | :) |
| 11:06.39 | plusminus | hehe |
| 11:06.51 | Smoke_Screen | should submit that to Jinx.com |
| 11:07.04 | plusminus | yes, would be fine :) |
| 11:07.17 | Smoke_Screen | © Smoke Screen 2008 |
| 11:07.35 | plusminus | ... what is the best way to kick that delayed Message out of the Handler? |
| 11:07.44 | plusminus | myHandler.removeCallbacks(myRunnable) ?? |
| 11:08.30 | acsia | plusminus, have you used geonames.org? |
| 11:09.03 | plusminus | for what purpose? |
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| 11:10.01 | acsia | lat+long to real address |
| 11:10.03 | plusminus | hm their lookup seems really good and fast :) They got a XML-APi ? |
| 11:10.26 | acsia | it looks interesting |
| 11:10.26 | plusminus | also address to lat/lng. what is more in my needs |
| 11:10.35 | acsia | yes |
| 11:11.57 | acsia | you can download their server with DB |
| 11:12.01 | acsia | ha |
| 11:12.22 | plusminus | hm ^^ how big is the file ? |
| 11:12.48 | acsia | you can choose by country |
| 11:13.04 | acsia | looks quite neat |
| 11:13.23 | acsia | I might try to port their java api to android |
| 11:13.29 | plusminus | 3.5 MB for Germany only... |
| 11:13.53 | plusminus | and it is only Citynames not Streets |
| 11:14.20 | plusminus | 17 Megs Unzipped ^^ |
| 11:14.42 | plusminus | it crashes NotePad, wohoo |
| 11:14.47 | acsia | ha |
| 11:14.59 | acsia | it usually does |
| 11:15.57 | lenni_-_ | i know its not the right channel but do you mind troubleshooting my eclipse (i won't start up) |
| 11:16.13 | lenni_-_ | i get the following error http://rafb.net/p/jA8Jd668.html |
| 11:16.25 | acsia | you won't start up? have you tried coffee or the? |
| 11:16.41 | acsia | red bull is good as well |
| 11:16.41 | plusminus | :D |
| 11:16.47 | lenni_-_ | yeah, i'll try coffee |
| 11:17.03 | acsia | I had a while ago |
| 11:17.15 | lenni_-_ | you know, i'm always so tired in the morning |
| 11:17.33 | acsia | I work in the mornings and night |
| 11:17.36 | acsia | not in between |
| 11:17.37 | plusminus | romainguy: still there ? |
| 11:17.43 | acsia | are you under ubuntu? |
| 11:17.54 | lenni_-_ | no, arch linux |
| 11:18.11 | acsia | I ve seen this error before, I think it is because you have installed another version of the JDK and system vs eclipse jdk seems to conflict |
| 11:18.22 | acsia | or something of that sort |
| 11:18.53 | lenni_-_ | hmm, that is the disadvantage of running a cutting edge distro |
| 11:19.29 | acsia | check that your env is set correctly between the user, eclipse and system |
| 11:20.10 | lenni_-_ | where is that configured? |
| 11:20.54 | acsia | which java should give you your user's |
| 11:20.58 | acsia | .bash |
| 11:21.45 | acsia | and for eclipse I beleive it is in its installation directory, /usr/bin/eclipse |
| 11:22.29 | acsia | I want a source control system, where I can input the music I listen to while programming |
| 11:22.50 | acsia | I notice a lot of difference in my concentration |
| 11:24.04 | acsia | like XP with wagner and design with a bit of jazz; and if I am getting close to a timeline I would use aphex twin or something |
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| 11:39.22 | plusminus | I'm just reading of the new Intel "Atom" CPU with 1,8GHz and just 0,6-2,5 Watts TDP :) That would lead to a kind of powerful device |
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| 11:46.37 | acsia | do you know what protected DataRequestDispatcher getDispatcher() is used for? |
| 11:46.43 | acsia | in MapActivity |
| 11:47.27 | plusminus | you can use it to query for DrivingDirections |
| 11:47.39 | plusminus | this.myDD = new DrivingDirection(from_pos, from_name, to_pos, to_name); |
| 11:47.44 | plusminus | this.getDispatcher().addDataRequest(this.myDD); |
| 11:48.45 | acsia | is there any docs on it? |
| 11:48.58 | plusminus | don't think so |
| 11:49.07 | acsia | so it would be to add the DrivingDirection to the map |
| 11:49.22 | plusminus | :) http://code.google.com/search/#p=android&q=DrivingDirection |
| 11:49.46 | plusminus | no it would just query for them. You'll have to overlay it yourself |
| 11:50.49 | plusminus | see: http://www.anddev.org/google_driving_directions_-_mapview_overlayed-t826.html |
| 11:51.28 | acsia | how did you even figure this one out :)? |
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| 12:08.43 | plusminus | found some half working lines in the google-groups |
| 12:21.15 | plusminus | I can get rid of it :( : java.lang.RuntimeException: Error receiving broadcast null in org....IGPSMapActivity$MyLocationChangedIntentReceiver |
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| 13:59.16 | lenni_-_ | okay, I got my eclipse working again but I still have the same error with the tutorial execise files: No activity name defined in /home/lenni/NotepadCodeLab/Notepadv1/AndroidManifest.xml. |
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| 14:36.38 | lenni_-_ | i had a problem with the exercise folder from the tutorial but i fixed it by editing the AndroidManifest.xml |
| 14:36.54 | lenni_-_ | i changed name:android to class. |
| 14:37.02 | lenni_-_ | Does anybody know why |
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| 15:16.42 | lenni_-_ | i'm just going through the android tutorial #1 and after I entered the contents into the notepad_list.xml file it says that |
| 15:16.43 | lenni_-_ | No resource identifier found for attribute 'id' in package 'android'Notepadv1/res/layoutnotepad_list.xml |
| 15:17.01 | lenni_-_ | and the resources aren't added to R.java |
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| 15:21.51 | zhobbs | lenni_-_: in layout files you use android:id instead of just id now |
| 15:22.14 | lenni_-_ | is that tutorial out of date? |
| 15:22.19 | zhobbs | Not sure |
| 15:22.56 | lenni_-_ | this is the line I copied into the xml file; <ListView android:id="@id/android:list" |
| 15:22.59 | lenni_-_ | > |
| 15:23.08 | zhobbs | that looks ok |
| 15:23.20 | zhobbs | missing a "/" |
| 15:23.35 | lenni_-_ | where |
| 15:23.38 | lenni_-_ | ? |
| 15:23.45 | zhobbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.22 | lenni_-_ | it doesn't end there; the xml tag goes on for a few more lines |
| 15:24.25 | zhobbs | looks like the tutorial is up to date |
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| 15:24.26 | zhobbs | ahh ok |
| 15:24.44 | zhobbs | just looked at the tutorial and it looks like it should be good to go for M5 |
| 15:25.38 | lenni_-_ | my version number is rc37a-2 |
| 15:25.52 | lenni_-_ | is that out of date? |
| 15:26.05 | zhobbs | lenni_-_: yep |
| 15:26.08 | zhobbs | need to upgrade |
| 15:26.16 | lenni_-_ | cool, i'll do that now |
| 15:26.33 | zhobbs | http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/02/android-sdk-m5-rc14-now-available.html |
| 15:26.39 | zhobbs | there is a link to instructions on there |
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| 16:03.51 | muthu | http://phandroid.com/t-mobile-stabbing-google-in-the-back |
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| 16:08.44 | acsia | lets ban T-mobile |
| 16:09.06 | zhobbs | I hope the first android phone gets unlocked fast |
| 16:09.08 | acsia | or lets make our own provider |
| 16:09.17 | zhobbs | cause I don't want to switch providers |
| 16:09.34 | acsia | how does locking work? |
| 16:09.43 | acsia | is it on the provider side? |
| 16:09.55 | zhobbs | it's on the phone, but don't know anything about it |
| 16:10.23 | acsia | well I am pretty sure you ll quickly see some hacks to go around it |
| 16:10.35 | acsia | especially if the OS is open |
| 16:10.43 | zhobbs | yeah, hopefully so |
| 16:10.50 | jasta | it's on the phone, and is completely arbitrary. the phone has just been pre-programmed to only accept a particular network ID. |
| 16:11.11 | jasta | if you insert a SIM card with a different network ID, it just arbitrarily refuses to work |
| 16:11.33 | jasta | the unlock sequence is a sort of hack to avoid the permanence of this brain-dead technical approach. |
| 16:11.37 | edcba | [17:08:58] <acsia> or lets make our own provider < Do you have some money ? :) |
| 16:11.44 | acsia | is there a boolean checkNID() in the docs? |
| 16:11.47 | acsia | :) |
| 16:12.24 | jasta | if Android phones are difficult to unlock, then we have a bigger problem. That means they are also difficult to hack, install 3rd party software, etc ;) |
| 16:12.47 | edcba | unlock ? |
| 16:13.14 | acsia | lock to a sim card |
| 16:13.15 | jasta | That would tend to suggest that Android is not as open as we all thought, specifically this portion of the phone would need to be entirely closed source. |
| 16:13.20 | jasta | Otherwise, you couldn't protect the unlock codes. |
| 16:13.38 | acsia | I suppose so |
| 16:13.40 | zhobbs | parts will be closed source i bet |
| 16:13.46 | edcba | but why would you want to unlock it ? |
| 16:13.52 | plusminus | Aw man... is there any known problem with the mock-location-provider being fed from KML ? |
| 16:13.54 | acsia | that would be up to the phone manufacturer |
| 16:13.58 | edcba | just to switch provider ? |
| 16:14.03 | acsia | yes |
| 16:14.11 | jasta | edcba: Yes, to use a provider other than the one "owning" the phone. |
| 16:14.39 | jasta | My guess, though, is that the OHA is going to pressure manufacturers to not even bother with locked phones. |
| 16:14.49 | edcba | it is required by law here that provider provides you unlock codes when you fully bought the phone anyway |
| 16:14.55 | jasta | The consumer trade-off will be that the phones don't come with a carrier subsidy |
| 16:14.55 | zhobbs | plusminus: I've noticed problems with really large kml location files |
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| 16:15.09 | muthu | its plain silly to tie a phone to a provider |
| 16:15.15 | zhobbs | edcba: where you at? |
| 16:15.20 | edcba | here it's plain illegal :) |
| 16:15.26 | jasta | muthu: Well, not so fast. Most people don't even know the "real" price of their phone. |
| 16:15.27 | edcba | france |
| 16:15.46 | edcba | here you can't tie hardware to a service |
| 16:15.51 | muthu | hmmm.. i would rather buy it |
| 16:15.54 | zhobbs | plusminus: really large kml files take a reallllly long time to process when you first launch the emulator |
| 16:16.04 | zhobbs | plusminus: you can see it processing it in logcat |
| 16:16.04 | acsia | ha the french. when is free getting into the mobile world? |
| 16:16.14 | edcba | soon i hope :) |
| 16:16.30 | edcba | but sill no news about 3G deal |
| 16:16.52 | acsia | like 10 quid unlimited download on a 8Mb band? |
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| 16:18.53 | plusminus__ | damn, my nick got owned... |
| 16:19.14 | jasta | plusminus__: Freenode lets you register your nick and kill anyone who uses it |
| 16:19.40 | zhobbs | plusminus is available |
| 16:19.47 | plusminus__ | hm... |
| 16:19.52 | plusminus__ | I should register it.. |
| 16:19.57 | plusminus__ | anyway |
| 16:20.03 | plusminus__ | I said I was requesting Updates to the Locationmanager with: this.myLocationManager.requestUpdates( |
| 16:20.31 | plusminus__ | but compared to a "hardcoded" gps-query the data is updated for 1 minute. It laggs behind o_O |
| 16:20.55 | plusminus__ | hardcoded means: "this.myLocation = myLocationManager.getCurrentLocation("gps");" |
| 16:21.36 | plusminus__ | thats leads to somewhat crazy behaviour ^^ |
| 16:25.13 | plusminus__ | the whole problem occurs just when I closed my app once before... |
| 16:25.46 | plusminus__ | So it feels like the LocationManager sends out position-updates that do not get fetched and pile up until I start my app again.. |
| 16:34.44 | zhobbs | can you unregister for updates? |
| 16:34.55 | zhobbs | probably need to unregister for updates in onPause |
| 16:37.39 | muthu | so atom to power android, nice. |
| 16:39.51 | jasta | that site seems to be extremely popular ;) |
| 16:41.38 | muthu | andev.org rules |
| 16:41.52 | muthu | i like the name |
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| 16:46.09 | acsia | just woken up? |
| 16:47.16 | jasta | i bet romain rolls into work around 11 most day s;) |
| 16:47.27 | romainguy_ | jasta: I used to |
| 16:47.36 | romainguy_ | but my girl friend makes me wake up early :p |
| 16:47.54 | jasta | hehe, mine too. but then i just go back to sleep ;P |
| 16:48.55 | romainguy_ | jasta: I still do that on the weekend :) |
| 16:51.01 | jasta | i should go to work though. i've got a meeting at 10:30am. |
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| 16:52.44 | plusminus__ | jasta: "jasta: that site seems to be extremely popular" :D |
| 16:52.59 | jasta | i'm not sure i personally agree, but it is ;) |
| 16:53.13 | plusminus__ | :P |
| 16:53.52 | plusminus__ | zhobbs: Yes I'm calling unregisterReceiver in onFreeze, onStop and onDestroy |
| 16:54.06 | plusminus__ | also calling this.myLocationManager.removeUpdates(myLocationChangedIntent); in each |
| 16:54.15 | plusminus__ | ans setting the receiver to null. |
| 16:54.30 | plusminus__ | Ill put it to onPause() also... |
| 16:55.17 | zhobbs | yeah, onPause() is when the activity loses focus, so that's the big one |
| 16:55.59 | zhobbs | actually...onFreeze() should be called anytime onPause is called... |
| 16:56.16 | zhobbs | which is kinda weird... |
| 16:57.05 | plusminus__ | ^^ yes thats weird.. onFreeze seems to exist to make us able to save data to the Bundle |
| 16:57.54 | mike1o | I have a cursor that has been finalized without asking my permission :) |
| 16:58.18 | plusminus__ | :D |
| 16:59.12 | plusminus__ | zhobbs: no improvement :( |
| 16:59.40 | plusminus__ | Error receiving broadcast null in ...MyActivity$MyLocationChangedIntentReceiver |
| 16:59.51 | plusminus__ | maybe because its an anonymous class ?? |
| 17:02.55 | plusminus__ | I'm pretty sure it is related to this Warning: |
| 17:03.00 | plusminus__ | WARN/ActivityManager(5973): Failure sending broadcast Intent { action=org.andnav.intent.LOCATION_CHANGED extras=Bundle[{location=Location[m...=null]}] } |
| 17:03.16 | plusminus__ | WARN/ActivityManager(5973): android.os.DeadObjectException |
| 17:03.18 | plusminus__ | that appears like 100x times |
| 17:03.45 | muthu | plusminus: might be an android bug |
| 17:03.56 | romainguy_ | a bug in android? |
| 17:04.02 | romainguy_ | I don't believe you! |
| 17:04.03 | romainguy_ | :p |
| 17:04.05 | plusminus__ | impossible ;) |
| 17:05.16 | plusminus__ | romainguy: any idea ? May this be related to the fact that I'm using an anonymous Object? |
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| 17:05.45 | plusminus__ | hm actually it is a private class.. but anyway o_O |
| 17:05.56 | plusminus__ | (non static) |
| 17:05.56 | romainguy_ | plusminus__: you could try to make it public static and see if that wrk |
| 17:05.59 | romainguy_ | works |
| 17:06.04 | zhobbs | your listener is private? |
| 17:06.17 | zhobbs | the receiver should be public |
| 17:06.19 | romainguy_ | but I know next to nothing about intents and receivers |
| 17:06.20 | zhobbs | I think |
| 17:06.30 | plusminus__ | public abstract class IGPSMapActivity extends MapActivity{ |
| 17:06.33 | plusminus__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.34 | plusminus__ | class MyLocationChangedIntentReceiver extends IntentReceiver { |
| 17:06.58 | plusminus__ | its not "offered" in the MAnifest |
| 17:07.13 | plusminus__ | just in onResume: this.registerReceiver(this.myLocationChangedIntentReceiver, this.myIntentFilter); |
| 17:07.31 | zhobbs | then you have to create an instance of that class right? ie, public MyLocationChangeIntentReceiver receiver = new MyLocation.. |
| 17:07.33 | plusminus__ | and in all "onXYZ" this.unregisterReceiver(this.myLocationChangedIntentReceiver); |
| 17:07.51 | romainguy_ | hmm |
| 17:07.52 | plusminus__ | yes in onResume(): this.myLocationChangedIntentReceiver = new MyLocationChangedIntentReceiver(); |
| 17:08.07 | romainguy_ | in Home I used private inner classes as intent receivers |
| 17:08.46 | plusminus__ | "onXYZ" = onFreeze / onPause / onStop / onDestroy :rolleyes: |
| 17:08.58 | plusminus__ | I feel like it is not my fault ^^ |
| 17:10.27 | plusminus__ | maybe I'll have a genious thought while eating... |
| 17:23.17 | jasta | romainguy_: what would you improve about my alphabet widget btw? |
| 17:23.41 | romainguy_ | jasta: support drag |
| 17:23.48 | jasta | in the bar? |
| 17:23.53 | romainguy_ | yes |
| 17:23.55 | zhobbs | yeah, needs drag |
| 17:24.00 | jasta | how the hell? does the iphone do this? |
| 17:24.01 | romainguy_ | so that you can jump from letter to letter quickly |
| 17:24.06 | zhobbs | and needs to magnify or show which letter selected |
| 17:24.08 | romainguy_ | hmm let me check |
| 17:24.30 | jasta | zhobbs: i thought about making it bold the letter that you are currently nearest to in the list view |
| 17:24.35 | romainguy_ | yeah iphone handles the drag |
| 17:24.41 | jasta | son of a... |
| 17:25.07 | zhobbs | drag is easy to handle |
| 17:25.13 | jasta | the drag seems really hard to do right. you'd have to compute the number of rows in each section and map a virtual progress across the letter to support that |
| 17:25.40 | jasta | because you wouldn't want it only to only start dragging once it crosses the boundary of a letter, you'd want it to react to each motion |
| 17:25.59 | jasta | and then who knows how to handle empty letters |
| 17:26.02 | zhobbs | how do you handle click currently? with onTouchEvent, or some kind of onClickEvent ? |
| 17:26.05 | romainguy_ | jasta: uh? |
| 17:26.13 | jasta | zhobbs: just an onclicklistener |
| 17:26.23 | zhobbs | for each letter? |
| 17:26.26 | jasta | yeah |
| 17:26.30 | zhobbs | gotcha |
| 17:26.31 | romainguy_ | jasta: I'm just saying you should do a selection change by listening to the MOVE touch events and not just clicks |
| 17:26.33 | jasta | though i control the entire widget |
| 17:26.44 | zhobbs | you'd have to handle onTouchEvent for the entire view |
| 17:26.49 | romainguy_ | I don't see how different it is from just reguar taps |
| 17:26.50 | jasta | romainguy_: Right, but you'd have to know where to select based on the number of rows in each section |
| 17:27.04 | romainguy_ | jasta: it's just like clicking one letter |
| 17:27.17 | jasta | so for example if the user taps E and moves to F, it would need to scroll with the same granularity that the touch screen supports |
| 17:27.27 | romainguy_ | no that's not what I'm saying |
| 17:27.44 | jasta | otherwise it'll just jerk all over the place? |
| 17:27.44 | romainguy_ | I'm saying if user taps E and moves to F, selection should just jump to F |
| 17:27.57 | jasta | that would look weird don't you think? |
| 17:28.11 | romainguy_ | that's how iPhone behaves and it works quite nicely actually |
| 17:28.20 | jasta | the list view would seem to just jerk sudden even though the user is scrolling smoothly |
| 17:28.26 | jasta | does the iPhone have that fling animation i wanted? :) |
| 17:28.38 | romainguy_ | when you jump to a letter? |
| 17:28.39 | romainguy_ | no |
| 17:28.44 | jasta | really? |
| 17:28.51 | romainguy_ | that's not that surprising |
| 17:28.56 | romainguy_ | if you are on letter A |
| 17:28.58 | romainguy_ | and click letter Z |
| 17:29.17 | romainguy_ | would you really want to see an animation go on to scroll through the whole list? |
| 17:29.57 | jasta | yes, it would scroll just like google maps does. the time of the animation is constant, so the speed adjusts itself based on the distance. |
| 17:30.11 | jasta | if you go from A to Z, it would seem to shoot across the list very rapidly |
| 17:30.18 | jasta | whereas if you go from E to F, it will be slow and smooth |
| 17:30.25 | romainguy_ | to make an animation not annoying it must last about less than 300ms |
| 17:30.25 | jasta | giving you a sense of the size of the list |
| 17:30.38 | zhobbs | it would have to fake scroll for that fast |
| 17:30.42 | romainguy_ | I'm not sure a scroll through say 2,000 items in less than 300ms would be visually effective |
| 17:30.44 | zhobbs | couldn't load all those views |
| 17:31.02 | jasta | true, a fake scroll might be the most effective |
| 17:31.03 | romainguy_ | zhobbs: it would just not show them al |
| 17:31.03 | zhobbs | romainguy_: I agree |
| 17:31.07 | romainguy_ | all |
| 17:31.19 | romainguy_ | our animations are time based |
| 17:31.25 | jasta | at 300ms, it would be jumping entire pages at a time |
| 17:31.49 | romainguy_ | if it takes 150ms to show the first 20 items then the next frame will show the middle items |
| 17:31.54 | romainguy_ | and then you'll see the last items |
| 17:32.34 | jasta | isnt this how fling will work though? if you fling the list very hard, won't it scroll many items very quickly? |
| 17:32.43 | romainguy_ | that's how it works |
| 17:32.52 | jasta | so what's the difference? |
| 17:32.59 | romainguy_ | but the fling is based on finger velocity and some friction parameters |
| 17:33.12 | romainguy_ | in practice the maximum velocity is not that high |
| 17:33.19 | jasta | hmm |
| 17:33.29 | romainguy_ | a "hard" fling lets you scroll for instance a 100 items |
| 17:33.33 | jasta | maybe compiz has just fried my brain |
| 17:33.44 | romainguy_ | (fake number, but it's not a high number) |
| 17:34.05 | romainguy_ | but as always with that kind of interaction the only thing to do is try it |
| 17:34.12 | romainguy_ | talking about it is meaningless :) |
| 17:34.17 | jasta | i will try |
| 17:34.41 | jasta | so thats your big complaint though? that i dont handle onmotionevent? |
| 17:34.50 | zhobbs | yeah, and bold/make the text larger for selected :) |
| 17:35.05 | jasta | yeah i had planned to do that one already. |
| 17:35.16 | jasta | also, i want to change the font to one more blocky and square (though not mono) |
| 17:41.37 | romainguy_ | that's my stop |
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| 18:04.10 | jasta | at work :\ |
| 18:04.52 | zhobbs | jasta: you keep irc open at home and vnc to your house? |
| 18:05.31 | jasta | i use screen |
| 18:07.37 | zhobbs | gotcha |
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| 18:08.34 | jasta | so, who should i talk to about getting a skateboarding android shirt/ :) |
| 18:08.44 | zhobbs | dan morrill |
| 18:08.48 | zhobbs | would be my guess |
| 18:09.14 | plusminus__ | I think he's not the one sitting around and packing shorts to boxes ^^ |
| 18:09.25 | plusminus__ | But if he agrees I'll take one too :) |
| 18:09.36 | plusminus__ | FYI it seems that I could solve the problem I described ~1 hour ago. |
| 18:09.51 | plusminus__ | made the private class a static one, that was it... |
| 18:10.28 | plusminus__ | I think my app deserves a app.minor++; |
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| 18:11.36 | jasta | private and static aren't exclusive, are you sure it wasn't just making it static that caused it to work? |
| 18:12.21 | jasta | or if you were accessing it from the androidmanifest, removing private and keeping static would be fine. |
| 18:13.43 | plusminus__ | I meant: "I made it static >instead< of private(protected)" |
| 18:13.59 | plusminus__ | and no, I dodn't access it from Manifest |
| 18:14.27 | jasta | that's what i meant though, static instead of private doesn't mean anything, they're not similar keywords. |
| 18:14.30 | plusminus__ | dammit, I don't express myself correctly.. |
| 18:14.37 | plusminus__ | let the code speak... |
| 18:14.43 | plusminus__ | now: static class MyLocationChangedIntentReceiver extends IntentReceiver { |
| 18:14.53 | jasta | that simply means that the class is now package-private. |
| 18:14.54 | jasta | instead of private. |
| 18:15.03 | plusminus__ | now: class MyLocationChangedIntentReceiver extends IntentReceiver { |
| 18:15.10 | jasta | and now it's package-private and not static |
| 18:15.13 | plusminus__ | argh |
| 18:15.19 | jasta | :) |
| 18:15.19 | plusminus__ | second one was "before". |
| 18:15.25 | plusminus__ | I should get some sleep! |
| 18:15.33 | jasta | so you removed static? |
| 18:15.35 | plusminus__ | Or a message... :) |
| 18:15.40 | jasta | both of those classes are package-private :) |
| 18:16.01 | plusminus__ | yes but now (first one) is static |
| 18:16.20 | plusminus__ | btw I should have said, that it is placed within a surrounding class |
| 18:16.29 | plusminus__ | public abstract class IGPSMapActivity extends MapActivity{ |
| 18:16.36 | plusminus__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.39 | plusminus__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.43 | plusminus__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.45 | plusminus__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.46 | plusminus__ | } |
| 18:17.15 | jasta | i know, because static would not be permissible otherwise ;) |
| 18:17.48 | jasta | but still, that is a package-private class. private would have also worked if you were accessing it from IGPSMapActivity |
| 18:20.20 | jasta | static in that context means that the declared class is to be instantiated separately from igpsmapactivity, as though it was in a separate file. |
| 18:27.26 | plusminus__ | 1st ^^ you're right |
| 18:27.40 | plusminus__ | 2nd yes just from inside of IGPSMapActivity |
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| 18:28.03 | plusminus__ | 3rd thats what it seems to need to work properly. |
| 18:28.25 | chaosvoyager | you fixed your problem? |
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| 18:32.10 | plusminus__ | seems to |
| 18:32.15 | jasta | plusminus__: of course it does, why would the intentreceiver be tied to the instance of the activity? |
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| 18:33.54 | acsia | would anybody have an idea on how to add several overlay to a map from different intents? |
| 18:34.09 | acsia | I mean the same intent but different intentReceiver |
| 18:34.32 | acsia | so I would broadcast an intent to overlay the map, and each activity would add its own overlay |
| 18:35.15 | acsia | I ve been struggling on the best practice. I take it that Overlay can not be bundled... |
| 18:36.29 | plusminus__ | jasta: Because it was noc accessed from outside world and always correctly unregistered. --> I thought ot would work. |
| 18:36.44 | plusminus__ | g2g |
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| 18:47.08 | zhobbs | acsia: all the receivers are in the same class? |
| 18:47.26 | acsia | well no |
| 18:47.30 | zhobbs | seems like you could just have a private overlaycontroller and add them |
| 18:47.32 | acsia | I want to make it modular |
| 18:47.44 | acsia | so I could add a 'module' |
| 18:48.11 | zhobbs | well, the MapActivity will have focus right? |
| 18:48.23 | acsia | yes |
| 18:48.50 | acsia | so I could get the focus? |
| 18:49.38 | zhobbs | so you're going to have services broadcasting the intents? |
| 18:49.53 | acsia | yes |
| 18:50.14 | zhobbs | you should probably just do an async interface instead |
| 18:50.36 | acsia | this is more of a concept stage |
| 18:50.37 | zhobbs | so your MapActivity binds to the service and then has an onOverlayAdd or onOverlayChange or something interface |
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| 18:51.49 | acsia | I was thinking about something similar |
| 18:52.33 | acsia | I think I need to play around with it a bit |
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| 19:39.57 | zhobbs | jtoy: having some probs? :) |
| 19:50.35 | chaosvoyager | Is there a way to intercept an SMS? I need an application that checks an SMS for security data before sending it through. |
| 19:51.41 | zhobbs | you can create a receiver for the android.provider.Telephony.SMS_RECEIVED |
| 19:52.01 | loic-pointgphone | check zhobbs tutorial :) |
| 19:52.11 | zhobbs | hehe, http://www.helloandroid.com/node/159 |
| 19:52.51 | loic-pointgphone | i think it fits perfectly with what you want to do |
| 19:53.09 | chaosvoyager | Ill check, but what if there are multiple receivers, and I want to stop the rest of the receivers from recieving if the SMS doesn't check out? |
| 19:53.57 | chaosvoyager | I've just read on the dev boards that something like this is 'sorta' possible, but I'm still puzzling through. |
| 19:54.43 | chaosvoyager | (* loads the tutorial *) |
| 19:57.23 | chaosvoyager | (* looks at it *) heh, that's exactly what I was trying to do, only with voice. I called it "Laaaaaase". |
| 19:58.22 | chaosvoyager | Do you think people would rather communicate through text rather than voice? I'm noticing some interesting trends. |
| 19:59.29 | loic-pointgphone | short communications = text |
| 20:00.00 | loic-pointgphone | long = ... you guessed |
| 20:00.29 | zhobbs | chaosvoyager: not sure how it's going to be handled with multiple receivers...not sure if google has figured that out yet |
| 20:00.36 | loic-pointgphone | don't know how it is in the us but here in france SMS is used a lot |
| 20:00.58 | zhobbs | it's picking up a lot in the US |
| 20:01.29 | zhobbs | we are still behind europe, but becoming more normal |
| 20:03.17 | chaosvoyager | IM and l33t is pretty much the de facto way the under 20 set communicate at this point. |
| 20:04.00 | chaosvoyager | What I find facinating is that l33t has more in common with Chinese pictographs that phonetically connected words. |
| 20:05.52 | chaosvoyager | I wonder how the Chiinese use IM. |
| 20:06.51 | f00f- | l33t ? |
| 20:06.58 | f00f- | who here communicates in that? |
| 20:07.05 | f00f- | geeks in the 90's and early 00's did that |
| 20:07.33 | f00f- | i'd say facebook and IM more so than SMS, at least in the US |
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| 20:12.47 | chaosvoyager | Alright, not l33t. What are the collective set of acronyms people use to communicate via IM called? |
| 20:13.54 | f00f- | online speak or something |
| 20:13.57 | f00f- | netspeak |
| 20:13.59 | f00f- | idk |
| 20:14.25 | zhobbs | not sur i tlk nrml in txt |
| 20:14.42 | f00f- | LOL |
| 20:14.50 | f00f- | that is just removing vowels |
| 20:14.56 | f00f- | there's a term |
| 20:14.56 | zhobbs | haha, yeah I suck at it |
| 20:15.04 | f00f- | it was probably introduced in the late 90's |
| 20:15.18 | zhobbs | 16 year olg girls are the experts |
| 20:15.24 | f00f- | although the phrases have been around since early 90's of not 80's |
| 20:15.26 | zhobbs | old* |
| 20:15.27 | f00f- | agreed |
| 20:16.52 | chaosvoyager | Like open source, it just spontaneously emerged. |
| 20:16.58 | f00f- | heh |
| 20:18.08 | chaosvoyager | I think most language happened that way, we just don't remenber :) |
| 20:18.54 | zhobbs | yeah, the net and computers and stuff probably have a pretty big impact on language/speech...it's only been around 20 years so far |
| 20:25.44 | chaosvoyager | This patent system will kill us all. |
| 20:27.20 | f00f- | i'll make sure it does |
| 20:27.44 | chaosvoyager | 0_0 |
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| 21:09.24 | jasta | yawn |
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| 21:29.42 | zhobbs | jasta: if you wanna put your tutorial on hello android I can contribute some :) |
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| 21:31.00 | zhobbs | hmm...gotta reboot router..brb |
| 21:32.16 | zhobbs | hmm..didn't even disconnect |
| 21:32.56 | chaosvoyager | It's like that call from the dead in that Twilight Zone ep. |
| 21:39.57 | jasta | zhobbs: i just wasn't originally planning to make it a tutorial |
| 21:40.08 | jasta | but perhaps i should. it's the first public example of a complex compound widget that i know of. |
| 21:40.48 | zhobbs | jasta: yeah, the problem is the more complex the harder to document as a tutorial |
| 21:42.06 | jasta | yeah, there's a flippin binary search tree in my widget :) |
| 21:42.23 | jasta | I suppose I could write "Uhh, and skip over this 300 line block." :) |
| 21:42.27 | zhobbs | yep |
| 21:42.49 | jasta | maybe i'll implement onTouchEvent first |
| 21:42.58 | jasta | or onMotionEvent, whatever it's called |
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| 22:34.03 | chaosvoyager | Who receives an onTouchEvent when multiple contact points happen at once? |
| 22:34.41 | zhobbs | I have no way of testing that |
| 22:36.30 | zhobbs | unless X would let me hook up another mouse and add a cursor? |
| 22:38.52 | Stephmw | it'll depend on the hardware+drivers... current stuff tends to average the points |
| 22:39.01 | Stephmw | so you end up with a touch somewhere in the middle |
| 22:40.52 | chaosvoyager | I suspect a working 'averaging' algorithm was one of Apple's toughest challenges. |
| 22:41.33 | zhobbs | well, the iphone is multitouch for zooming and stuff |
| 22:42.08 | chaosvoyager | Well, it's technically multitouch for everything. |
| 22:42.30 | chaosvoyager | Or can be. |
| 22:43.33 | chaosvoyager | And you can do stuff like this: http://code.google.com/p/pocketguitar |
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| 22:46.43 | zhobbs | chaosvoyager: neat |
| 22:46.50 | Stephmw | that's why I said the hardware is important... most TS hardware around just isn't capable of multitouch |
| 22:47.41 | zhobbs | iphone seems like a nice solid piece of hardware... |
| 22:47.51 | Stephmw | (shame about the software) |
| 22:47.56 | zhobbs | missing the basic stuff like 3G and gps, but that's probably coming |
| 22:48.27 | zhobbs | we'll just have to port android to it |
| 22:48.46 | chaosvoyager | Lack of GPS is a deal breaker. I could deal without the 3G for now, but not the GPS. |
| 22:49.09 | zhobbs | I want both! |
| 22:50.21 | chaosvoyager | The only touch screen producer in the OHA uses tech like on the iPhone, what are they called, Synaptics? |
| 22:50.55 | chaosvoyager | I want it all too, but I know what I can't live without :) |
| 22:52.34 | zhobbs | I have a POS razr...so I'll be happy with anything |
| 22:52.57 | Stephmw | I'm settling on my SE w880i until the fuss dies down |
| 22:53.16 | Stephmw | can't be hassled with a phone that can't make calls... been there, done that |
| 22:54.14 | chaosvoyager | Yes, strange that that feature is sometimes lacking. |
| 22:54.44 | zhobbs | I think we'll be seeing something like that XPERIA X1 : http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/03/03/sony-ericsson-says-xperia-x1-is-still-on-track-for-this-year/ |
| 22:54.54 | Stephmw | chaosvoyager: ;) I just won't use developer devices as personal phones |
| 22:55.33 | Stephmw | zhobbs: *shudder* |
| 22:55.57 | zhobbs | hehe, don't like that one? |
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| 22:56.32 | Stephmw | I saw the demo... the hardware is a tad too bulky for my tastes |
| 22:56.44 | Stephmw | I like my smartphones smart, not big |
| 22:56.55 | chaosvoyager | Stephmw: I find that confusing as I don't differentiate. All hardware to me is there to obey me. |
| 22:57.01 | zhobbs | I want some resolution for useful web browsing |
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| 22:57.32 | Stephmw | chaosvoyager: I don't want a phone that weighs me down when I'm climbing overhangs :P |
| 22:57.55 | chaosvoyager | Oh, that I understand. |
| 22:58.11 | Stephmw | my god the 9120 was a brick and a half |
| 22:58.17 | Stephmw | err |
| 22:58.19 | Stephmw | 9210 |
| 22:58.39 | chaosvoyager | Ubuntu Mobile also needs a brick to run. |
| 22:59.17 | Stephmw | yah - I'm unconvinced by trying to squeeze downwards |
| 22:59.17 | Stephmw | but it's a noble effort |
| 23:00.31 | chaosvoyager | One slick thing is the use of Clutter, which is yet another GUI framework, but a good one with bindings to pretty much everything. I evaluated it for a Python project. |
| 23:00.54 | Stephmw | Oh? I need to take a look at that |
| 23:01.53 | chaosvoyager | Uses JSON to define the layout. And I believe bindings too, but I may be mixing that up with JavaFX. |
| 23:02.18 | chaosvoyager | I was impressed at least. |
| 23:05.04 | chaosvoyager | er, 'event' bindings in the latter statement, 'language' bindings in the first. |
| 23:05.08 | chaosvoyager | I hate generic words. |
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| 23:27.01 | eighty | errr... quick question: i'm running the ApiDemos sample on my emulator... App->Service->gtalk Data Message Sender example shows an error: "The default GTalk session cannot be found". |
| 23:27.13 | eighty | is this expected? :\ |
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| 23:36.47 | f00f- | eighty: xmpp is in the shits for m5 |
| 23:37.14 | eighty | f00f: nooooooooooo |
| 23:37.29 | eighty | (said like melo dramatic movie actor) |
| 23:37.36 | f00f- | :) |
| 23:37.38 | f00f- | sad but true |
| 23:37.41 | eighty | in slow motion ;) |
| 23:37.45 | f00f- | i've dropped xmpp/gtalk support from my app |
| 23:37.53 | eighty | how are you handling p2p? |
| 23:37.55 | f00f- | specifically data messaging is broken |
| 23:38.05 | f00f- | super-specifically, reception of data messages is borked |
| 23:38.15 | f00f- | filed a bug and i'm moving on |
| 23:38.41 | eighty | so p2p is borked. meh. |
| 23:38.50 | f00f- | worked in m3 |
| 23:38.54 | f00f- | but cursoradapter is ugly there |
| 23:39.02 | eighty | garf. |
| 23:39.12 | f00f- | major shotdown for me |
| 23:39.22 | f00f- | but thankfully my app has other merits |
| 23:40.29 | eighty | well it can only get better i suppose. i'm guessing p2p is android priority defcon 1 |
| 23:45.35 | chaosvoyager | I wish I knew. |
| 23:46.16 | chaosvoyager | I really have no idea where Google is driving this thing, and I don't think it's because of clever subterfuge on their part. |
| 23:46.38 | duey | free phone |
| 23:46.44 | duey | with ads on it |
| 23:47.00 | duey | no adblock |
| 23:47.45 | chaosvoyager | Not so sure. Google got to where it is by being the only NOT annoying internet advertiser |
| 23:48.02 | duey | who said they needed to be annoying |
| 23:48.10 | duey | browse your sms |
| 23:48.15 | duey | context ads are down the bottom |
| 23:48.26 | duey | same as gmail |
| 23:49.18 | chaosvoyager | Oh those. I was thinking ads instead of dialtone. |
| 23:49.42 | chaosvoyager | Or ad ringtones. |
| 23:50.20 | f00f- | patents away |
| 23:52.20 | chaosvoyager | Probably, but I've seen things....HORRIBLE things, when advertisers get ahold of open platforms. It's because of bastards like that that I can't use Flash everywhere, because people turn it off due to ads. |
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