| 00:05.28 | eighty | f00f: i have 2 emulators runnings and sending messages back and forth. |
| 00:05.38 | eighty | using gtalkservice |
| 00:05.49 | f00f- | eighty: data messages? |
| 00:05.56 | eighty | errrr... |
| 00:06.01 | eighty | text messages |
| 00:06.07 | chaosvoyager | How much effort did that take? |
| 00:06.12 | f00f- | okay that probably works, but sadly not what i need :/ |
| 00:06.20 | eighty | when you say data messages... did you mean sending objects of type not String? |
| 00:06.31 | f00f- | no i mean using sendDataMessage(jid, intent) |
| 00:06.55 | f00f- | the intent can have anything |
| 00:07.05 | f00f- | it sends it perfectly, just doesn't receve it |
| 00:07.09 | f00f- | i filed a bug |
| 00:07.10 | eighty | GTalkSession.sendDataMessage(username, getIntentToSend()); |
| 00:07.18 | f00f- | their sample doesn't even work for m5 |
| 00:07.33 | eighty | i'm using the ApiDemo sample from m5 |
| 00:07.47 | f00f- | do you receive an intent? |
| 00:07.50 | eighty | yes. |
| 00:07.51 | f00f- | in the console, adb logcat |
| 00:08.14 | f00f- | mind pasting what you see? |
| 00:08.31 | f00f- | i tried the same thing yesterday and it would not receive |
| 00:09.16 | eighty | one sec.... |
| 00:10.25 | eighty | D/gtalkSrv( 543): [DataMsgProvider] parseExtension: got (question, would you like to eat green eggs and ham?) |
| 00:10.25 | eighty | D/gtalkSrv( 543): [DataMsgProvider] parseExtension: got (poke, Hi, I am Sam.) |
| 00:10.25 | eighty | I/GTalkServiceSample( 635): [GTalkDataMessageReceiver] onReceiveIntent: Got data message, action=android.intent.action.SAMPLE_GTALK_DATA_MESSAGE, poke=Hi, I am Sam., question=would you like to eat green eggs and ham? |
| 00:10.44 | eighty | f00f: is that what you're looking for? |
| 00:10.52 | f00f- | last line |
| 00:10.55 | f00f- | yes |
| 00:11.12 | f00f- | i'll have to recheck it then |
| 00:12.24 | eighty | for each emulator, i added and removed both gmail accounts in XMPP settings. i think this registers both JIDs in the XMPP database. or something like that. :| |
| 00:12.25 | chaosvoyager | Can you access the ringtone in Android? |
| 00:12.36 | eighty | chaosvoyager: haven |
| 00:12.39 | eighty | 't tried |
| 00:13.27 | eighty | more info: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/27f4083c2c550734/95934fbec9484d3a |
| 00:13.31 | chaosvoyager | I'd expect you could, but I thought Android could do lots of things it couldn't. THX. |
| 00:13.37 | f00f- | eighty: i did it manually by editing im.db but maybe there is something weird with that |
| 00:14.01 | f00f- | i will take a look at it tonight |
| 00:15.18 | eighty | how do you access im.db? |
| 00:17.23 | f00f- | it's in /data/data |
| 00:17.27 | eighty | chaosvoyager: and yet, i think android is amazing. i think it's going to change the world. :) |
| 00:17.28 | f00f- | adb shell |
| 00:17.31 | f00f- | # sqlite3 im.db |
| 00:17.35 | f00f- | i forget the exact path |
| 00:17.47 | eighty | f00f: trying... |
| 00:18.26 | eighty | f00f: data/com.google.android.providers.im |
| 00:18.57 | romainguy_ | chaosvoyager: I'd expect you could, but I thought Android could do lots of things it couldn't. THX. << like what? |
| 00:19.09 | f00f- | yeah that's the one eighty |
| 00:19.19 | chaosvoyager | Wow, ONE developer post on ringtones. |
| 00:19.33 | f00f- | chaosvoyager: chance to win :D |
| 00:20.10 | chaosvoyager | Blah. I'll make more money using it as an application platform. |
| 00:20.39 | chaosvoyager | romainguy: accessing the incomming and outgoing audio from calls. |
| 00:21.00 | romainguy_ | ah, that one :) |
| 00:21.16 | chaosvoyager | I THINK I should be ablle to change the ringtone, but I haven't been able to verify that yet. |
| 00:22.27 | chaosvoyager | I'm also unsure if I can intercept an incomming IM/SMS to check for security data, and then send it along to the application that normally handles it. |
| 00:22.45 | f00f- | and modify it? |
| 00:22.47 | f00f- | i doubt it |
| 00:23.12 | chaosvoyager | Just read it, or delete it. |
| 00:24.51 | chaosvoyager | romainguy: and from what you said before, view management needs to be sped up a little, but I'm still unsure it it will be enough. Does Android promise th have at least the same rendering spoeed as the iPhone? |
| 00:26.02 | romainguy_ | depends on your hardware |
| 00:27.09 | chaosvoyager | Well, yes, I mean on essentially equivalent HW of course. |
| 00:28.49 | romainguy_ | I can't promise anything :) |
| 00:29.34 | chaosvoyager | Yeah, I should have used a different term. |
| 00:30.06 | eighty | is rendering speed a high priority for android |
| 00:30.37 | romainguy_ | I spent a large part of my time for the past few months just optimizing our view hierarchy |
| 00:32.55 | eighty | what kind of speedup did the optimization show. worth the few months of work? |
| 00:33.30 | romainguy_ | several x speedup |
| 00:33.44 | eighty | sweet |
| 00:37.35 | chaosvoyager | Alright, here's one of my specific concerns: With the GUI I want to implement, I do lots of transforms on groups of widgets. Not only does this need to be fact, but the event firing areas change as well (both size and function). |
| 00:38.18 | eighty | gtalkservice... so you send messages as Intent objects. can an Intent contain a custom data type? or a movie or picture or something? |
| 00:41.24 | f00f- | eighty: no just String and a few native types |
| 00:41.34 | f00f- | eighty: generic objects are not supported |
| 00:42.02 | eighty | darn. thanks f00f... i guess JSON strings are the alternative |
| 00:42.03 | f00f- | you probably want to send heavy greasy binary content to a server first as a background operation |
| 00:42.23 | chaosvoyager | Yikes, that's horrible. |
| 00:42.47 | f00f- | would you really want to clog up the XMPP connection with a huge file transfer? |
| 00:43.11 | eighty | true... |
| 00:43.33 | f00f- | or maybe they multiplex things internally |
| 00:44.26 | eighty | here's streaming media over a data connection... stream to a device? http://code.google.com/android/toolbox/apis/media.html |
| 00:44.46 | eighty | that would be cool. :) |
| 00:45.45 | chaosvoyager | err.. >_< fact=fast. |
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| 01:27.52 | chaosvoyager | Alright, the binary form of XML used in resources is WBXML, and XMLSerializer can write to it. |
| 01:28.48 | zhobbs | chaosvoyager: is there a decoder so we can decode all those xml layout files in anroid.R |
| 01:28.56 | romainguy_ | zhobbs: there is |
| 01:29.00 | romainguy_ | it's been posted on the mailing lists |
| 01:29.10 | romainguy_ | it's probably not hard to write either |
| 01:29.15 | chaosvoyager | As a matter of fact there is, it's called XMLPullParser :) |
| 01:29.51 | f00f- | ? |
| 01:30.02 | f00f- | that's just a regular XPP parser |
| 01:30.08 | f00f- | doesn't do binary unless they modded it |
| 01:30.18 | chaosvoyager | But it reads the binary Resource files. |
| 01:30.51 | chaosvoyager | ... |
| 01:31.01 | chaosvoyager | Unless that's the Resource itself... |
| 01:33.24 | zhobbs | romainguy_: can't find that post...was it recent? |
| 01:33.31 | romainguy_ | I believe so yes |
| 01:35.34 | zhobbs | bad ass: http://www.it.usyd.edu.au/~massad/project-android.html |
| 01:36.05 | chaosvoyager | blast, android.content.Resources does the reading, but what's this link... |
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| 01:59.57 | zhobbs | romainguy_: where are things like android.R.attr stored? |
| 02:00.11 | romainguy_ | in a file called attrs.xml |
| 02:00.22 | romainguy_ | I don't think it's bundled in android.jar though |
| 02:00.45 | zhobbs | no it's not... |
| 02:02.21 | zhobbs | but I'll find it :) |
| 02:04.38 | chaosvoyager | Why are you looking for it? |
| 02:05.29 | zhobbs | seems like there is a lot going on there to define styles and stuff |
| 02:05.49 | romainguy_ | everything from attrs.xml is in R.attr |
| 02:06.10 | romainguy_ | attrs.xml doesn't contain much information by itself |
| 02:07.26 | zhobbs | is everything in R.attr come from attrs.xml? |
| 02:07.35 | romainguy_ | yep |
| 02:07.39 | zhobbs | hmm |
| 02:08.47 | chaosvoyager | I often go looking for things just because I'm curious, but if I haven't found it after a certain amount of time and effort I don't care anymore, but I still look for it just because I won't let it win. |
| 02:09.11 | zhobbs | that's the spirit |
| 02:09.32 | chaosvoyager | But fiends play nasty tricks on me by getting me to search for things that don't exist. |
| 02:14.35 | chaosvoyager | You check the emulator's data? |
| 02:15.25 | zhobbs | don't have time to get side tracked :( |
| 02:16.05 | chaosvoyager | Ah :) |
| 02:17.32 | zhobbs | I could spend all night decoding and reviewing those damn xml files.... |
| 02:17.38 | zhobbs | or trying to really |
| 02:17.47 | zhobbs | or I could be productive :( |
| 02:18.03 | chaosvoyager | go with the latter. |
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| 02:22.19 | zhobbs | new sdk out |
| 02:22.38 | zhobbs | wondered why jasonchen wanted op |
| 02:22.39 | *** topic/#android by jasonchen -> Updated m5 Android SDK (m5-rc15) released: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/03/android-sdk-update-m5-rc15-released.html |
| 02:22.44 | romainguy_ | ^^ |
| 02:22.59 | jasonchen | zhobbs: am I _that_ transparent :-) |
| 02:25.04 | zhobbs | hmm, once change "1012640: Incorrect handling of BMP images." |
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| 02:25.10 | zhobbs | one change I mean |
| 02:25.33 | jasta | rc14 to rc15? |
| 02:25.47 | zhobbs | yep, just one bmp bug fix looks like |
| 02:25.59 | jasta | thats kind of strange |
| 02:26.14 | zhobbs | must have been a doozy |
| 02:27.02 | zhobbs | jasta: you seen this: http://www.it.usyd.edu.au/~massad/project-android.html |
| 02:27.10 | zhobbs | we were talking about that a few weeks back |
| 02:27.16 | jasta | no? let me look |
| 02:27.38 | jasta | niceee :) |
| 02:27.58 | jasta | i knew someone would do this eventually |
| 02:28.18 | zhobbs | only really seems to work with android.R.layout though, wouldn't go for drawable,style, etc |
| 02:28.24 | chaosvoyager | IE still allows you to run scripts hidden in images, or rather doesn't allow you to not allow you. |
| 02:28.40 | zhobbs | but maybe it can, didn't mess with it much |
| 02:29.12 | jasta | zhobbs: still, this is great |
| 02:29.12 | zhobbs | yeah, he's got a tar with all the android.R.layout files |
| 02:29.13 | jasta | saw that |
| 02:29.47 | f00f- | heh, that's like months old now ain't it :) |
| 02:30.17 | zhobbs | yeah, just found it :) |
| 02:30.39 | f00f- | yeah it was helpful for the TwoLinItemListView thingy |
| 02:30.47 | f00f- | or at least understanding the sample code |
| 02:31.00 | f00f- | i love how others do the work so we don'thave to |
| 02:31.06 | f00f- | open source mindset is great |
| 02:31.59 | zhobbs | yeah, it's pretty amazing what gets done |
| 02:32.48 | jasta | zhobbs: this guys code is terrible ;) |
| 02:33.43 | f00f- | XMLDump.java ? |
| 02:33.47 | jasta | yeah |
| 02:34.16 | f00f- | it's a quick hack |
| 02:34.33 | f00f- | oh well |
| 02:34.33 | f00f- | wait |
| 02:34.35 | f00f- | this is cheating |
| 02:34.41 | f00f- | you're doing this at run-time |
| 02:34.44 | f00f- | rofl |
| 02:35.32 | jasta | yeah, i would have preferred someone reverse engineered the format ;) |
| 02:35.38 | f00f- | it's using getXml() !!! |
| 02:35.41 | f00f- | jasta: yeah, me too |
| 02:35.51 | zhobbs | yeah, it's just getting the pul parser from Resource |
| 02:35.55 | romainguy_ | jasta: isn't it just WbXML? |
| 02:35.56 | jasta | but still, very useful |
| 02:36.21 | jasta | romainguy_: That was my earlier suspicion, but it seems not to be. Or at least, it's not correct WbXML :) |
| 02:36.21 | f00f- | 'file' it :) |
| 02:36.44 | f00f- | maybe it's in a different codepage |
| 02:36.45 | jasta | the format looks very similar to WbXML, however, which is why i think reverse engineering it should be very simple |
| 02:37.10 | zhobbs | jasta: you've tried a standard WbXML parser? |
| 02:37.13 | chaosvoyager | Heh, Firefox threw an XML parsing error when I tried to read Android's media_controller.xml |
| 02:37.24 | jasta | zhobbs: yeah, i've even tried looking at it with xxd |
| 02:37.32 | romainguy_ | chaosvoyager: the page says XMLDump does not produce valid XML yet |
| 02:37.34 | jasta | there are odd differences, and i didn't bother to explore them |
| 02:37.51 | chaosvoyager | Oh. |
| 02:38.25 | chaosvoyager | right. |
| 02:39.07 | chaosvoyager | DuH. |
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| 02:41.47 | chaosvoyager | So Resource files are sorta Android's equivalent of RAW files. Open but undocumented. |
| 02:50.40 | chaosvoyager | SQLite DBs are fairly simple and small binary files, right? |
| 02:57.37 | chaosvoyager | Before I embarras myself on the developer boards once again, does anyone know how I would change the ringtone? |
| 02:58.04 | chaosvoyager | The systemm properties only seem to deal with volume and the like. |
| 03:04.20 | zhobbs | can the emulator currently ring? |
| 03:05.41 | chaosvoyager | Honestly, I hadn't even considered that. I just assumed it could. Can't it play audio files? |
| 03:06.38 | zhobbs | yeah, can play audio... |
| 03:06.48 | zhobbs | doesn't seem like it rings when calls are coming in |
| 03:07.00 | chaosvoyager | *sigh* |
| 03:07.14 | zhobbs | there goes that idea? |
| 03:08.31 | chaosvoyager | No, this is a 'so much energy, so little progress' sigh. |
| 03:09.01 | zhobbs | I can't get the new sdk and eclipse to talk |
| 03:09.32 | chaosvoyager | Give them tiime, they have to get to know each other. |
| 03:10.05 | zhobbs | I don't think they'll ever like each other though |
| 03:10.14 | chaosvoyager | :) |
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| 07:47.33 | marvinalone | like, a textview that scrolls horizontally and always keeps the last line in view? |
| 07:47.59 | marvinalone | and by "inout |
| 07:48.03 | marvinalone | i mean input |
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| 12:25.59 | davidw | ok, this is crazy... yesterday it was 15C out, today it's snowing |
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| 16:16.12 | jasta | hmm |
| 16:16.16 | jasta | i'm conflicted this morning |
| 16:16.30 | jasta | on one hand, i have used up all my sick time until March |
| 16:16.33 | jasta | err end of March |
| 16:16.46 | jasta | on the other hand, Steven's Pass got 10" of new snow overnight. |
| 16:17.37 | zhobbs | Florida is nice, but I wish there was snowboarding |
| 16:18.46 | davidw | it's snowing here too... |
| 16:21.02 | Zer0Her0 | it's raining here |
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| 16:25.03 | jasta | its not supposed to snow the rest of the day, so going after work is kind of a crappy plan |
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| 16:52.48 | jasta | hey romain |
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| 16:55.34 | romainguy_ | yo |
| 17:01.30 | jasta | i so want to ditch work and go boarding :( |
| 17:01.45 | zhobbs | do it |
| 17:01.55 | zhobbs | not like you're going to do anything at work right? |
| 17:02.00 | jasta | my rationale is starting to move into the leap year argument |
| 17:02.08 | jasta | i just worked feb 29th for free, so they owe me, right? |
| 17:02.39 | zhobbs | hehe, interesting argument |
| 17:03.17 | davidw | what will you remember most in 10 years? |
| 17:03.43 | jasta | depends, did i get fired for taking too many sick days? beacuse i'd probably remember that more. |
| 17:03.50 | davidw | yep |
| 17:04.07 | davidw | can't figure out that one for you:-) |
| 17:04.39 | jasta | i just wish the weather would cooperate and snow today as well. then i'd dodge work at 3 or 3:30 and get some refreshed tracks |
| 17:07.11 | jasta | on another note, i don't understand the new RemoteCallbackList utility |
| 17:07.23 | jasta | what is it doing different than us just maintaining our own list? |
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| 17:07.46 | jasta | that's how i had done it before m5 and it still seems to work fine, but i suspect that there is some magic in there |
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| 17:16.02 | jasta | and i suspect that because i tried decompiling it and there is stuff in there i don't understand ;) |
| 17:16.28 | jasta | seems to be attempting thread-safety, which i wonder about. |
| 17:20.42 | jasta | or maybe not, i don't know. i'll look later. |
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| 17:54.13 | plusminus_ | Hey guys |
| 17:54.23 | plusminus_ | how to browse the /data folder using code. |
| 17:54.34 | plusminus_ | One needs administrator-privileges to do so right? |
| 17:54.57 | plusminus_ | or at least "more rights" to see the contents of /data |
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| 17:57.26 | zhobbs | plusminus_: yeah, probably need higher permissions |
| 17:57.55 | zhobbs | if you install the apk into /system/app then it will run at a higher level |
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| 18:02.55 | plusminus_ | didn't know that that is possible, thx |
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| 18:07.34 | zhobbs | well, haven't tried it with M5, but worked with M3 |
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| 19:19.11 | davidw | Cryptonimicon is, I think, one of the coolest books I've ever read |
| 19:20.18 | Zer0Her0 | hehe |
| 19:20.21 | Zer0Her0 | kind of random |
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| 19:28.01 | zhobbs | 1168 pages |
| 19:28.08 | zhobbs | pretty intense |
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| 19:29.24 | chomchom | good evening fellow Androids |
| 19:29.32 | zhobbs | howdy |
| 19:29.56 | zhobbs | davidw: sounds like a good book though, might have to check it out |
| 19:30.14 | davidw | Zer0Her0, so am I, so it's a good fit. |
| 19:30.19 | romainguy_ | it's weird, I never managed to like Neal Stephenson's book |
| 19:30.31 | romainguy_ | I read Cryptonomicon and Quicksilver and found them boring |
| 19:30.31 | Zer0Her0 | yea reminds me i still need to finish the baroque cycle or whatever that series was called |
| 19:30.32 | davidw | zhobbs, I'm rereading it, which I rarely do... |
| 19:30.58 | davidw | I would save the baroque cycle until after you've determined whether you like his writing or not |
| 19:31.14 | davidw | if you don't, it would be a colossal waste of time |
| 19:31.21 | zhobbs | I don't read a lot though, long and full of details is kinda scary |
| 19:31.39 | romainguy_ | davidw: not necessarily a waste of time |
| 19:31.40 | davidw | ah... my problem is that short books last hours |
| 19:31.55 | Zer0Her0 | oh i'm already 500 pages into quicksilver |
| 19:31.59 | davidw | romainguy, well, if it's not enjoyable, it's a *looong* read |
| 19:32.01 | Zer0Her0 | just got way busy |
| 19:32.10 | romainguy_ | davidw: I know, I didn't enjoy it :) |
| 19:32.46 | davidw | the baroque cycle doesn't even pick up until the second huge, long book:-) |
| 19:33.19 | chomchom | Since I've just entered the room I may be completely off topic, But I just read "the tipping point" by malcolm gladwell. Nice and easy read. |
| 19:34.32 | chomchom | I was recommended it from a management perspective but its really just a nice sociological break down |
| 19:35.05 | zhobbs | sounds motivational... |
| 19:35.35 | zhobbs | sounds interesting though |
| 19:35.55 | davidw | most of gladwell's stuff is "a nice and easy read" because he strings together a ton of anecdotes to flesh out his actual point |
| 19:36.15 | davidw | actually - most business books are like that, which is why I put together www.squeezedbooks.com |
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| 19:36.51 | chomchom | yeah it was certainly an easy read |
| 19:37.11 | jjt001 | hello |
| 19:37.20 | jjt001 | when's the deadline |
| 19:37.28 | zhobbs | april 14 |
| 19:37.29 | Zer0Her0 | yesterday |
| 19:37.31 | chomchom | I always find you read these management books and you come away with one thing |
| 19:37.44 | Zer0Her0 | chomchom: why did i waste time reading this? |
| 19:37.45 | Zer0Her0 | ;) |
| 19:37.54 | jjt001 | thanks |
| 19:38.02 | chomchom | The thing I came away with from that book was that sesame street rocked |
| 19:38.07 | davidw | Zer0Her0, not entirely true. A lot of them have good points... it's just that they could be summed up in about 10 pages |
| 19:39.06 | chomchom | davidW: squeezedbooks.com is a nice idea |
| 19:39.08 | Zer0Her0 | i guess |
| 19:39.21 | f00f- | you can't learn management from books, lol |
| 19:39.37 | Zer0Her0 | most of them always come across as common sense about human nature, modern society, etc. |
| 19:40.05 | chomchom | There is a lot of valuable knowledge in business books, and you would be somewhat pig headed not to think you can learn from others experience. |
| 19:40.15 | chomchom | Generally it is true they waffle on though |
| 19:40.58 | zhobbs | davidw: just FYI there is horizontal scrolling on that site if your browser isn't maximized :) |
| 19:41.52 | Zer0Her0 | perhaps i'm just surrounded by enough business people that i just look to those that hold higher positions around me and see how they fail/succeed. |
| 19:42.07 | Zer0Her0 | even look at people on my level |
| 19:43.26 | davidw | zhobbs, hrm... |
| 19:45.12 | davidw | http://www.amazon.com/review/R6J4ERKKP2AF2/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm |
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| 19:51.15 | davidw | I love it when these guys 'hack' a wiki... |
| 19:52.03 | f00f- | heh |
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| 20:09.14 | zhobbs | http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/03/announcing-apps-for-android.html |
| 20:11.25 | davidw | that was last hour's news |
| 20:11.43 | zhobbs | I know I'm slow |
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| 20:33.56 | macosxgeek | hi |
| 20:34.09 | macosxgeek | you guys think it would be possbile to run android on the iphone? |
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| 20:41.05 | zhobbs | macosxgeek: not yet, the source isn't out yet |
| 20:44.10 | macosxgeek | and the iphone bootloader neither :) |
| 20:44.16 | macosxgeek | but it is ready |
| 20:44.53 | zhobbs | well, forget android...first step is to get linux on the iPhone |
| 20:46.27 | zhobbs | once linux works on there then when the source for android is released it shouldn't be too hard |
| 20:49.02 | macosxgeek | yeah right |
| 20:49.33 | macosxgeek | so linux on ARM |
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| 21:02.39 | macosxgeek | here is something http://code.google.com/p/iphone-linux/ |
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| 21:06.57 | plusminus_ | regarding to m5-rc15: "The update doesn't change any of the Android APIs or introduce any new ones." |
| 21:07.41 | plusminus_ | so nothing changed except the one image-handling bug? |
| 21:07.56 | zhobbs | guess so...kinda strange |
| 21:08.29 | plusminus_ | I downloaded faster than i can unzip... strange world ^^ |
| 21:09.56 | plusminus_ | I'd love to see some bugs fixed :( |
| 21:12.01 | plusminus_ | but anyway nice to see fast cycles :) |
| 21:15.01 | davidw | I agree... I make a point of watching lots of bike racing :-> |
| 21:15.51 | zhobbs | nicely done |
| 21:16.10 | zhobbs | :) |
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| 21:38.27 | kurzum | textview doesnt support html? |
| 21:38.40 | zhobbs | kurzum: no, supports <b> and <i> though |
| 21:39.01 | zhobbs | kurzum: but must be a charsequence, can't be in a string |
| 21:39.25 | kurzum | aah i see, because <i> isnt recognized either |
| 21:39.40 | kurzum | thx |
| 22:14.42 | Yeggstry | does anyone else keep on getting a null pointer exception on gtalk? |
| 22:15.10 | Yeggstry | or when trying to start browser or map? |
| 22:15.25 | Yeggstry | I've just upgraded to m5-rc15 from m3-rc37a |
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| 22:19.05 | jasta | did you run emulator -wipe-data like the instructions say? |
| 22:21.04 | Yeggstry | evidently not, thanks :) |
| 22:25.16 | Yeggstry | ah that's useful |
| 22:25.36 | Yeggstry | you can go back to a previous version of the sdk with that as well? |
| 22:26.07 | jasta | yes. |
| 22:26.54 | Yeggstry | cool :) |
| 22:28.27 | Yeggstry | what's the opinion of the new skin? |
| 22:29.08 | zhobbs | I'm mixed...looks so so, but I think it'll be much more usable for touchscreen |
| 22:29.26 | Yeggstry | yeah I agree |
| 22:30.09 | jasta | it isn't their final design. |
| 22:33.12 | Yeggstry | besides, from what I've heard it can be skinned by whoever wants to change it :) |
| 22:33.26 | jasta | kind of. |
| 22:33.28 | jasta | not really. |
| 22:33.38 | jasta | where'd you hear that? |
| 22:34.00 | zhobbs | hopefully you will be able to easily create a new default theme |
| 22:36.35 | Yeggstry | I'm sure I heard them say you could change the home page when I was at the google hack in london before xmas |
| 22:36.50 | zhobbs | yeah, you can override the home screen |
| 22:37.14 | Yeggstry | ok, so not really changing the skin |
| 22:37.44 | zhobbs | it'll happen eventually |
| 22:49.33 | plusminus_ | What do americans like more, tabular or written out CVs ? |
| 23:13.29 | f00f- | neither |
| 23:13.37 | f00f- | we don't know how to read CV's |
| 23:13.44 | f00f- | but i guess tabular |
| 23:13.52 | f00f- | since it'd be more like a resume |
| 23:14.02 | f00f- | which itself is a bulleted list |
| 23:19.21 | plusminus_ | thanks resume=tabular, CV=fulltext :) |
| 23:20.31 | f00f- | more like =~ :) |
| 23:20.41 | f00f- | but i mean don't make it <table><tr><td> style |
| 23:20.45 | f00f- | just tabular-looking |
| 23:22.43 | chomchom | plusminus: if you are looking for an american job I would recommend one and a half pages of A4, well laid out with job headings and dates, underneath each of them have bullet points of your skills and responsibilities achieved from the position. I would also recommend fleshing out your linked in profile and maybe even filling out a profile on some other sites like visualcv.com |
| 23:41.30 | f00f- | we don't use A4 |
| 23:41.32 | f00f- | we use letter size |
| 23:41.52 | f00f- | make sure you do NOT send A4 |
| 23:42.02 | f00f- | even a PDF you make shouldn't be A4 |
| 23:42.12 | chomchom | really? Is that a British thing? |
| 23:42.28 | f00f- | no just a stupid american thing since we don't follow international standards :) |
| 23:42.34 | romainguy_ | another mysterious measurement in the US :)) |
| 23:43.17 | chomchom | Thats surprising and challenging since Letter size is tiny. |
| 23:43.32 | romainguy_ | ? |
| 23:43.39 | f00f- | slightly wider and shorter than A4 :) |
| 23:43.46 | f00f- | it's a fatter version :D |
| 23:44.17 | f00f- | and by letter i do NOT mean the size of an envelope |
| 23:45.10 | chomchom | In Britain it's taken as a given al CVs are in A4. Is the american size A5? Or even a standard size? |
| 23:45.36 | romainguy_ | chomchom: it's called letter size |
| 23:45.38 | romainguy_ | and it's close to A4 |
| 23:46.39 | f00f- | standard paper size here is Letter |
| 23:46.47 | f00f- | most printers accept both, but not everyone has A4 paper |
| 23:47.04 | f00f- | i should say 'no one' |
| 23:47.24 | chomchom | crazy guys |
| 23:47.52 | f00f- | tell me about it |
| 23:48.01 | f00f- | actually i like Letter over A4 |
| 23:48.02 | f00f- | we have Legal |
| 23:48.05 | f00f- | which is short and skinny |
| 23:48.12 | f00f- | probably proprtional to A4 family of page sizes |
| 23:48.22 | f00f- | generally used by legal and financial community |
| 23:48.42 | f00f- | only place i've come in contact with is in contracts and maybe bank agreements |
| 23:49.02 | f00f- | bank statements, however, are in Letter, from what i remember |
| 23:49.05 | f00f- | i don't get them anymore |
| 23:52.00 | chomchom | Completely off topic (but no more than international paper sizes), I would just like to recommend inner ear head phones. Today because of the horrendous activity in my office I was driven to go out and buy some headphones. The inner ear phones are scarily effective at shielding outside noise. It's surprising how much bass you get out of them. |
| 23:53.27 | romainguy_ | chomchom: yep :) |
| 23:53.45 | romainguy_ | but they are also annoying to wear over long periods of time |
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