| 00:06.19 | jasta | ponders Cursor notifications for a moment |
| 00:06.38 | jasta | i don't think i have implemented something correctly here. |
| 00:07.08 | jasta | it seems that a query for a particular content uri gets notified any time an insert happens on a number of other, unrelated content uris. |
| 00:07.49 | jasta | and so my list is constantly trying to redraw itself even though data is being inserted for some other content that just so happens to be implemented in my same content provider |
| 00:08.38 | jasta | and upon examination of my code, it would seem that i don't even properly notify of changes that happen to the general content uri being queried |
| 00:08.55 | jasta | i am always calling notifyChange(newUriJustInserted, null), not the base uri. |
| 00:09.14 | jasta | maybe i should separate this out into a simpler control scenario and observe how notifications really work |
| 00:10.25 | jasta | zhobbs: you know anything about this system? |
| 00:10.57 | zhobbs | jasta: nope |
| 00:11.13 | poffy | zhobbs |
| 00:11.16 | poffy | Found the problem :) |
| 00:11.34 | poffy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.53 | jasta | looks like i am using the content provider in a manner consistent with how google uses it |
| 00:12.22 | jasta | why wouldn't you just write 38897605? |
| 00:14.26 | tmcneal | i think he's just testing conversion to 1E6 format |
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| 00:35.31 | poffy | Yeah |
| 00:35.43 | poffy | I wouldn't use 38897605 in my real app |
| 00:35.53 | poffy | I'm trying to just get some basics here |
| 00:36.08 | poffy | Module by module |
| 00:36.29 | poffy | Android does a great job at making it easy to break projects into modules |
| 00:36.31 | poffy | with Activities |
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| 01:54.41 | chomchom | lol at the android case mod: http://cgi.ebay.com/Google-Android-Themed-Custom-PC-Case-Mod_W0QQitemZ270220156381QQihZ017QQcategoryZ179QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 01:55.07 | chomchom | a great present for close friends or family. |
| 01:55.23 | zhobbs | yeah I saw that earlier |
| 01:55.30 | zhobbs | pretty funny |
| 01:56.37 | chomchom | Hes got a construction page as well: http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/03/15/android-construction/ |
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| 02:36.54 | tmcneal | i saw on some website that someone pulled all the xml layout files used in google's android apps and put it in some zip file somewhere. |
| 02:37.11 | tmcneal | anyone hear about this? and happen to know where i can get it? i remember seeing it mentioned on some website but i forget where now |
| 02:39.34 | zhobbs | tmcneal: yeah jasta did it...let me find url |
| 02:40.00 | zhobbs | tmcneal: http://devtcg.blogspot.com/2008/03/tool-to-read-android-binary-xml-files.html |
| 02:42.01 | tmcneal | sweet, thanks! |
| 02:42.19 | zhobbs | yeah, just broke it out a second ago to peek at some selectors |
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| 03:06.33 | raidfive | does anyone know how to change your applications icon? I replaced the icon.png in /drawable but it didn't seem to do anything |
| 03:09.10 | zhobbs | you can specify it in <application > with android:icon="@drawable/whatever" |
| 03:10.59 | raidfive | yea I have @drawable/icon and the image is icon.png |
| 03:11.17 | raidfive | I'm wondering if for some reason it is using the old icon because the name hasn't changed |
| 03:11.49 | zhobbs | yeah, dunno...I'm sure if you change it it'll work |
| 03:12.04 | raidfive | yea that was the issue it seems |
| 03:12.05 | tmcneal | i noticed sometimes it takes awhile for changes in images to take effect |
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| 04:41.44 | raidfive | is it possible to open the options menu on application startup? |
| 04:43.10 | raidfive | I was looking at Activity.openOptionsMenu() but I'm not sure where it is appropriate to call it |
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| 06:16.02 | raidfive | :( no MapActivity demo? |
| 06:24.06 | jasta | hmm, i wonder where Android's attributes are defined? as in, ?android:attr/textAppearanceLarge |
| 06:37.38 | raidfive | Point() - Constructs a Point with the given latitude and longitude, measured in microdegrees (degrees * 1E6). |
| 06:38.24 | raidfive | are these expected lat/lon values the same as Location.getLatitude() * 0x1E6 ? |
| 06:42.32 | raidfive | ah got it ... that isn't a hex value :P |
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| 06:46.34 | rhett_ | hola androiders |
| 06:47.28 | jasta | hello |
| 06:48.10 | rhett_ | anything new jasta ? |
| 06:48.19 | rhett_ | so, is this media player thing your main app? |
| 06:48.26 | jasta | yes |
| 06:51.48 | rhett_ | So, are we going to see things like NES emulators for android? |
| 06:51.55 | rhett_ | like the one that exists for the hacked iphone |
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| 06:52.05 | rhett_ | hey Smoke_Screen |
| 06:52.16 | jasta | i don't see why not, especially since there are quite a few open source NES emulators that run on Linux |
| 06:52.28 | rhett_ | but i don't think they're in java, does that matter |
| 06:52.29 | rhett_ | ? |
| 06:52.34 | jasta | why would it? |
| 06:53.02 | rhett_ | i don't know what sort of access you have to the phone, does everyone have root? |
| 06:53.03 | jasta | all you'd have to do is write some glue between java and the nes engine and UI. |
| 06:53.33 | rhett_ | I don't understand how the whole android api works yet, and what sort of "glue" that would take |
| 06:53.34 | Smoke_Screen | howzit |
| 06:53.43 | jasta | rhett_: Not much. |
| 06:53.54 | rhett_ | Hey Smoke_Screen are you working on a app for he contest? |
| 06:54.09 | raidfive | jasta, do you know if there is a way to open the options menu when you first startup your application? |
| 06:54.20 | Smoke_Screen | rhet_: not gonna have my app ready |
| 06:54.25 | jasta | raidfive: No, sorry. |
| 06:54.32 | raidfive | no prob |
| 06:54.40 | rhett_ | that's a shame Smoke_Screen , maybe you can submit a best effort |
| 06:54.44 | Smoke_Screen | developing an app for my Final Year project |
| 06:55.06 | rhett_ | I'd really like to see google award money to people developing libraries to help apps |
| 06:55.38 | Smoke_Screen | I'm developing a BitTorrent library, I'd love some money :) |
| 06:55.56 | jasta | i doubt a bittorrent library would win even on its merit. |
| 06:56.08 | rhett_ | why jasonchen ? |
| 06:56.11 | rhett_ | oops jasta |
| 06:56.12 | jasta | it's pretty trivial, and not especially innovative as they are looking for. |
| 06:56.21 | Smoke_Screen | true |
| 06:56.52 | rhett_ | i don't know what kind of innovation they are looking for, but I really have not seen any android apps yet that are too impressive |
| 06:57.03 | rhett_ | the skypop stuff on youtube is kinda neat |
| 06:57.28 | rhett_ | kinda obvious though |
| 06:57.46 | muthu | hey qik.com looks impressive |
| 06:58.03 | jasta | rhett_: i would assume that most folks working on the ADC are not intending to release any public details of their project until at least round 1 is over. |
| 06:58.20 | muthu | video streaming from mobile to the web, that's qik! |
| 07:00.21 | rhett_ | yeah, that's kiind of nerveracking, I assume the competition will be much stiffer for round 2, but it would be nice to know how many decent apps there already are |
| 07:00.41 | muthu | definitely more than 50 |
| 07:00.52 | muthu | i'm seeing a lot of cool apps around me |
| 07:00.56 | muthu | all worthy of winning |
| 07:01.05 | rhett_ | Basically, my app just uses the standard view widgets, and I'm interacting with the content list, etc. |
| 07:01.30 | rhett_ | I'm figuring out how to do the subactivity stuff tonight make the back button work correctly |
| 07:01.54 | rhett_ | yeah, it would be nice to be around that kind of environement muthu, are you working at a company where people are developing stuff? |
| 07:02.05 | rhett_ | "contact list" |
| 07:02.35 | muthu | rhett.. yes we are developing apps for android |
| 07:02.54 | rhett_ | the stuff on http://www.anddev.org/ is not too impressive visually |
| 07:04.29 | jasta | That's because the site is designed as a collection of small tutorials and examples, not as a generall useful, distributale product. |
| 07:04.39 | jasta | distributable* |
| 07:05.48 | raidfive | why do all the demos on youtube have a different android ui than the sdk? |
| 07:06.28 | raidfive | the video I was just watching was posted about a month ago so it doesn't seem like it is an outdated version of the os |
| 07:06.29 | jasta | The SDK and UI have changed over time; most significantly from M3 to M5. |
| 07:06.42 | jasta | raidfive: Where is the video? |
| 07:06.49 | raidfive | how long ago was M5 released? I started with M5 |
| 07:07.06 | raidfive | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oZGbR71lDk |
| 07:07.28 | jasta | that is definitely M3. |
| 07:07.31 | raidfive | also, they show a camera application which isn't present in the sdk |
| 07:07.42 | jasta | raidfive: Google has much code that they have not released. Much. |
| 07:08.01 | rhett_ | I am still looking to hire a short term consultant to help us, if anyone know an android developer with some free time |
| 07:08.13 | raidfive | is that just because the code isn't ready yet? or what? |
| 07:08.37 | jasta | raidfive: Probably. But perhaps they also are not wanting to spill all their secrets just yet. |
| 07:09.18 | raidfive | I guess ... but a camera application isn't too secret :) |
| 07:22.00 | jasta | i would suspect that nearly every app they write will tie into their online services in some way |
| 07:22.14 | jasta | so they may have quite a few innovative tricks in every application you previously thought to be plain and boring. |
| 07:22.27 | jasta | for example, maybe the camera app integrates nicely with picasaweb? |
| 07:40.51 | jasta | lately i've been getting very curious how android styles things. specifically, where are the attrs and styles.xml files for the framework? |
| 07:41.03 | jasta | i want to design my own TabWidget style, but I have no idea what TabWidget's default style is. |
| 07:42.10 | jasta | I know that it's ?android:attr/tabWidgetStyle, but how was that defined? what attributes are possible and how would i extend them? |
| 07:42.17 | jasta | or write my own entirely taht satisfies? hmm. |
| 07:43.49 | jasta | i suspect that the definitions in our own applications would be through res/values/styles.xml, but why can't i find that information in Android's distribution for the base frameworK? |
| 07:47.11 | jasta | i would expect it to be in /system/framework/framework-res.apk, but it isnt |
| 07:47.26 | muthu | jasta: is there a styles.xml |
| 07:47.32 | jasta | no, i cant find one |
| 07:47.35 | jasta | and have been looking quite a lot |
| 07:48.12 | muthu | yeah for a progress bar for example, you'll have to set vertical/horz style |
| 07:48.54 | muthu | i'll look at R.styleable |
| 07:49.04 | jasta | i am wondering if perhaps this resources.arsc format contains the magic. |
| 07:49.18 | muthu | yeah.. that should be the one |
| 07:49.24 | jasta | easy way to test is uppose. *extracting ApiDemos.apk* |
| 07:49.53 | muthu | hope they make the xml's public at the very least |
| 07:50.00 | jasta | Yup, sure enough. |
| 07:50.07 | muthu | had a nice lunch btw :) |
| 07:50.37 | jasta | I wonder how difficult it would be to reverse engineer the resources.arsc format now. |
| 07:50.56 | muthu | you can do it jasta! |
| 07:51.07 | muthu | work some perl magic |
| 07:51.47 | jasta | I'm curious if it's similar to the format I already reversed |
| 07:51.56 | jasta | which took only about 6 hours to fully discover |
| 07:52.25 | muthu | i wonder why they are not making the xml's public |
| 07:52.32 | jasta | yeah, that's really stupid. |
| 07:52.45 | muthu | agree |
| 07:52.45 | jasta | it's so hard to figure out how they are doing things. |
| 07:53.07 | muthu | yeah.. and we know its in the docs |
| 07:53.19 | muthu | the next time you can't see it.. very tough to navigate |
| 07:55.03 | jasta | i like the style system, and would like to take advantage of it well to reduce code size and improve reusability, but it is hard to do so when it is so mysterious :) |
| 07:55.23 | jasta | anyway, there's no doubt about it. this information is defined in resources.arsc |
| 07:55.33 | muthu | cool |
| 07:56.36 | jasta | that said, i do not initially recognize this format *at all* |
| 07:59.25 | jasta | it's kind of a big file |
| 07:59.57 | jasta | I may take a crack at this tomorrow. |
| 08:00.03 | jasta | This would be very useful information to have. |
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| 08:00.25 | muthu | will be useful |
| 08:01.08 | jasta | I had the thought to investigate this when I decided to use TabHost/TabWidget to implement some part of my music player interface but I don't really want the semantics of the TabWidget as it's being utilized currently. |
| 08:01.11 | thedaniel` | hm, how can i unit-test something that requires a Context to be passed in? |
| 08:01.21 | jasta | I want more of a bottom row of buttons to switch my views, like the iPhone's music app |
| 08:01.36 | thedaniel` | they don't seem to have public constructors, and the testcase runs in its own world separate from the app |
| 08:01.37 | muthu | tabhost is complicated |
| 08:01.38 | jasta | thedaniel`: Instrumentation is an option, though I have not looked into it myself. |
| 08:01.42 | thedaniel` | jasta: thx |
| 08:01.42 | muthu | i would not use them |
| 08:01.53 | jasta | muthu: What's complicated about it? |
| 08:02.12 | muthu | its just that.. doesn't naturally fit into the android design |
| 08:02.21 | muthu | afaik the tab activity is broken |
| 08:02.23 | jasta | Seems to fit quite well for me? |
| 08:02.44 | muthu | if you can have separate activities working though |
| 08:02.55 | jasta | the activitygroup concept is a bit weird at first, but not hard to get your head around. |
| 08:03.38 | jasta | anyway, i think its appropriate to re-use this, and it looks like i could make it suit my purposes by merely extending TabWidget and using a different default style. |
| 08:03.53 | jasta | but i have no idea how to define the style ;P |
| 08:03.58 | jasta | so, ...here i go ;) |
| 08:06.08 | muthu | what tab style are you talking about? |
| 08:06.23 | jasta | the default style of the TabWidget. ?android:attr/tabWidgetStyle |
| 08:08.14 | muthu | there's not tabwidgetstyle |
| 08:08.27 | muthu | there's a tab selector, tab color |
| 08:08.29 | jasta | Yes there is |
| 08:08.46 | muthu | where you see it? |
| 08:08.49 | jasta | it's defined in android.R.attr.tabWidgetStyle, and it's the default style for the TabWidget. |
| 08:09.37 | muthu | oh yeah |
| 08:13.08 | muthu | i guess tabselector and tabcolor are the two attrs you can set |
| 08:15.20 | jasta | but that still doesn't tell you what the default style is. |
| 08:16.56 | muthu | hmm.. that's coming from R and we don't have the source |
| 08:17.15 | muthu | ok.. we are back to where we started |
| 08:18.24 | jasta | i'm looking at the resources.arsc format now ;) |
| 08:18.30 | jasta | i am going to tackle this tomorrow |
| 08:18.35 | muthu | ok |
| 08:18.42 | jasta | it's starting to reveal itself already. i can see the string table and the basic layout is the same... |
| 08:18.47 | muthu | i'm not sure where i got the progress bar style from |
| 08:18.57 | muthu | very similar.. but was able to get the style values |
| 08:19.09 | jasta | the only bit that looks different is the actual format of the document (which might make it pretty tough to figure out, unfortunately) |
| 08:20.36 | jasta | what immediately strikes me as odd is that every document in values/ (strings, ids, attrs, etc) all are contained in the same string table. |
| 08:20.49 | jasta | but there is clearly a separate string table elsewhere |
| 08:20.56 | jasta | so this format must be capable of specifying multiple documents in one |
| 08:21.37 | jasta | oh wait a minute |
| 08:21.49 | jasta | and every single one of them has <resources> at the root. |
| 08:22.19 | jasta | i bet you anything that this is just an arbitrary namespacing. |
| 08:22.39 | jasta | i should test if you can put your strings in arrays and styles in colors, etc. |
| 08:22.43 | jasta | and it'd still work |
| 08:22.57 | muthu | i guess it will |
| 08:25.23 | jasta | so i wonder if this is just one big document then. |
| 08:26.52 | jasta | well, i should get to bed. family shiz in the morning. |
| 08:30.01 | thedaniel` | sleep well jasta |
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| 10:44.34 | mihoshi | Is there a way to get list of tables oin SQLite db? |
| 10:45.33 | rhett_ | mihoshi, if you're connected to the database, I assume it's whatever the standard sqlite query is, something like show tables; |
| 10:47.02 | mihoshi | ERROR/AndroidRuntime(1861): Caused by: android.database.sqlite.SQLiteException: no such table: show, while compiling: SELECT COUNT(*) FROM (show tables) |
| 10:47.30 | mihoshi | I used: cursor = db.rawQuery("show tables;", null); |
| 10:53.47 | mihoshi | "show tables" is not working in adb sqlite either :/ |
| 10:54.10 | mihoshi | "show tables;" -> SQL error: near "show": syntax error |
| 10:56.22 | mihoshi | Oh, show tables is not available in sqlite at all. |
| 10:56.43 | mihoshi | SELECT name FROM SQLITE_MASTER where type=table gives the list of tables :) |
| 10:58.16 | rhett_ | there you go :) |
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| 13:32.37 | tmcneal | it's funny, things I think will take half a day to code take one hour, and things I think will take 10 minutes to code take an hour and a half :p |
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| 18:43.22 | yeonhoo | hi |
| 18:44.47 | yeonhoo | i saw android demo video from youtube and a machine used to presention seems to be LG ks20. |
| 18:46.45 | yeonhoo | is it ks20? because im wondered its possible to install linux on ks20. |
| 18:48.55 | haavi | url? |
| 18:52.29 | Lede | haavi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
| 18:54.44 | o3u | it's a bit thicker then the iphone |
| 19:02.19 | ersi | than :) |
| 19:03.22 | o3u | sorry mom |
| 19:04.27 | ersi | no worries, *pulls chin* |
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| 21:12.39 | rhett | does anyone know if people will be using these devices without touchscreen? |
| 21:12.56 | rhett | if using a touch screen, will it require a stylus? |
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| 23:40.23 | jasta | man, i am struggling with a strange concurrency problem in my service. this sucks. |
| 23:40.33 | jasta | i did not realize the complexity of the binder threads at first :) |
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| 23:44.17 | jasta | i am having to go back and redesign quite a lot of this code ;P |
| 23:45.36 | davidw | erlang & actor style concurrency +1 |
| 23:48.27 | jasta | one thing that is still puzzling me, though, is why Thread.join is pausing the app with 100% cpu utilization here? |
| 23:49.25 | jasta | the thread appears to die, but join never returns. |
| 23:49.38 | jasta | there were numerous concurrency errors on my part, but most of those should be fixed now |
| 23:49.48 | jasta | or rather, all of them should be. |
| 23:51.06 | jasta | sure enough, i just attached to it. the thread its waiting on is dead, but it's still stuck in join. |