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| 01:09.53 | jjt001 | how do i pass an object to a subactivity (via an Intent's Bundle) |
| 01:09.56 | jjt001 | ? |
| 01:10.37 | zhobbs | make it a Parcelable |
| 01:10.37 | jjt001 | anyone here? |
| 01:10.50 | jjt001 | Parcelable = interface? |
| 01:10.54 | jjt001 | ok |
| 01:11.47 | zhobbs | you make your object implement Parcelable and then you have to implement a couple functions |
| 01:11.56 | zhobbs | there is some info on the aidl docs page |
| 01:12.22 | jjt001 | actually what i want to do is pass a Collection<String> with the Intent |
| 01:12.31 | jjt001 | do i have to create a wrapper class? |
| 01:12.37 | jjt001 | or is there a simpler method? |
| 01:13.01 | zhobbs | you used to be able to add List<String> to a bundle, but I think you might have to write a wrapper now (putList is depreciated I think) |
| 01:13.15 | jjt001 | it is |
| 01:13.22 | jjt001 | ok thanks for the help |
| 01:13.32 | zhobbs | no prob |
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| 01:13.55 | zhobbs | not sure why they got rid of putList though... |
| 01:14.30 | generalhan | hey all ! |
| 01:14.40 | zhobbs | howdy |
| 01:14.54 | generalhan | anyone seen a site with sample scripts/apps written for android ? |
| 01:15.15 | generalhan | the only programming i have ever done is in VB so i want to get a feel for how this is all layed out |
| 01:15.53 | zhobbs | generalhan: http://code.google.com/android/documentation.html http://helloandroid.com http://anddev.org |
| 01:16.05 | generalhan | zhobbs: perfect ... thank you |
| 01:16.15 | generalhan | are you all currently playing around with the SDK ? |
| 01:16.23 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 01:16.31 | generalhan | how you liking it so far ? |
| 01:16.36 | zhobbs | lots of people making apps for the Developers Challenge |
| 01:16.38 | zhobbs | I like it |
| 01:17.15 | generalhan | yea i heard about the challenge ... i wish i would have heard about it a long time ago so i could have worked on something |
| 01:17.24 | generalhan | but i cant wait to see what comes of it ! |
| 01:17.41 | zhobbs | there will be another one later this year |
| 01:17.59 | zhobbs | after the first phone(s) come out |
| 01:18.49 | generalhan | any, more than rumored, information on when that will be ? |
| 01:19.14 | zhobbs | google just keeps saying "second half of year" |
| 01:19.34 | generalhan | lol, that could be July or December ! haha |
| 01:20.07 | zhobbs | yep |
| 01:21.49 | zhobbs | hopefully july, but I bet more like oct/nov |
| 01:29.05 | generalhan | i wonder how long after androids official release we will start to see formating instructions for current phones. take a phone you love already, wipe it clean, and install android ! |
| 01:32.06 | zhobbs | generalhan: it'll be pretty easy if people have already gotten linux to run on it |
| 01:34.05 | generalhan | well ... they get linux to run on the phone's OS, right? not to replace the phone's OS with linux ? |
| 01:34.42 | zhobbs | replace phone's OS with linux |
| 01:34.51 | generalhan | ohh |
| 01:34.59 | generalhan | i hadnt heard of people doing that ! |
| 01:35.31 | zhobbs | check out: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9423084269.html |
| 01:35.32 | generalhan | so they essentially lose a PHONE and gain a small computer ? |
| 01:35.51 | zhobbs | some phones might run linux and the users don't even know it |
| 01:36.05 | zhobbs | just the kernel, don't need to port any apps |
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| 01:41.42 | generalhan | wow, i cant even get this Eclipse to open for me ... i am never going to understand how to code in this ! lol |
| 01:45.24 | generalhan | ive got the SDK unpacked, point the environment variable path to the tools directory in the SDK folder ... |
| 01:46.18 | generalhan | how do i " 1. Start Eclipse" |
| 01:46.35 | zhobbs | Did you install eclipse? |
| 01:47.24 | generalhan | lol, no why would i assume that i have to install eclipse to be able to run eclipse ? |
| 01:47.30 | generalhan | pfft ... like that makes any sense |
| 01:47.33 | zhobbs | hehe :) |
| 01:48.31 | generalhan | i figured it came with the SDK package :( |
| 01:49.00 | zhobbs | no eclipse is a Java IDE, you could use a different IDE (or no IDE) with the SDK |
| 01:49.28 | generalhan | how do you use no IDE ? |
| 01:49.53 | zhobbs | you could use any text editor plus ant |
| 01:49.57 | generalhan | ohhg |
| 01:49.59 | generalhan | gotcha |
| 01:51.44 | generalhan | ok well i guess ill play with this a bit at home ... i gotta get outta this life draining place ! |
| 01:51.47 | generalhan | ... stupid work ! |
| 01:51.48 | generalhan | lol |
| 01:51.51 | generalhan | talk to you soon ! |
| 01:51.54 | zhobbs | cya |
| 01:52.07 | generalhan | thanks for the help ! |
| 02:17.39 | jasta | yawn |
| 02:17.49 | jasta | hey zhobbs |
| 02:17.51 | chomchom | Rar |
| 02:17.56 | zhobbs | hey |
| 02:18.10 | jasta | chomchom: get my note? |
| 02:18.22 | chomchom | no sorry |
| 02:18.31 | chomchom | I'll browse through the room history |
| 02:18.34 | jasta | i wrote that tab thing you were curious about |
| 02:18.38 | chomchom | sweet |
| 02:19.00 | chomchom | At the moment I just have buttons where I'll be putting the tabs |
| 02:19.11 | jasta | check out devtcg.org |
| 02:19.19 | chomchom | but they are going in there on friday, thx for that |
| 02:20.17 | chomchom | cool, I haven't seen your blog before. This is another good android link. |
| 02:20.53 | jasta | yeah, i'm releasing as demos nearly every custom widget i am creating for my ADC project |
| 02:21.11 | jasta | frankly, it's easier to design and experiment with them in a separate, small project which is then well suited to just post |
| 02:23.13 | jasta | so, new topic: who here hates that stupid new Subversion browse tool Google put up on Google COde? |
| 02:23.25 | chomchom | not me |
| 02:23.27 | jasta | The old svnweb was much nicer. |
| 02:23.31 | chomchom | I actually like it |
| 02:23.36 | zhobbs | jasta: me, because it doesn't work in opera |
| 02:23.57 | jasta | i think they should offer the old way too. it's much easier to send as links and stuff |
| 02:24.03 | chomchom | you can still browse it with any existing svn tools |
| 02:24.31 | chomchom | I just like the fact that you can quickly drill down to things in the one page |
| 02:24.45 | jasta | obviously, but still the svnweb approach was neatly suited for the web |
| 02:25.24 | jasta | like how could i post a link to a particular directory of files hosted in svn? |
| 02:25.43 | jasta | it's all ajaxy and stupid. if i click on a file to view then go back it resets the whole thing too. |
| 02:25.48 | jasta | really terrible |
| 02:26.17 | chomchom | You can still post links |
| 02:26.29 | chomchom | you just right click on the file and get the link |
| 02:26.29 | jasta | hoez/ |
| 02:26.31 | jasta | how?, i mean |
| 02:26.40 | chomchom | I just tried it there |
| 02:26.41 | jasta | i mean links to a directory |
| 02:27.02 | jasta | at the very least if they're going to do something like this they need to preserve browser history and make reliable links. |
| 02:27.28 | chomchom | Ah yeah, you can only do it on files on the right hand side |
| 02:27.49 | jasta | Right, so if I had like a samples folder I coulnd't just link to it and say "knock yourself out" |
| 02:28.38 | chomchom | So if you want to link to a directory select one of the files and then chop off everything after the dir |
| 02:28.48 | jasta | ugh, lame |
| 02:29.23 | chomchom | they could do a javascript listener for anchors in that panel and then it will support linking to dirs |
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| 02:29.36 | jasta | yeah, at least. |
| 02:29.44 | jasta | plus, everyone hates that explorer-style navigation :) |
| 02:30.11 | jasta | im just saying, they should offer the old interface as well |
| 02:30.17 | chomchom | ooh, actually you can still browse via the web interface |
| 02:30.27 | jasta | you can? |
| 02:30.30 | jasta | how? |
| 02:30.38 | chomchom | yeah just stick in the url |
| 02:30.47 | jasta | i dont know what it is? |
| 02:31.21 | chomchom | and http://apps-for-android.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ |
| 02:31.58 | chomchom | its the one they reference to download your code anonymously |
| 02:32.10 | jasta | i don't see a link to do that? |
| 02:32.22 | chomchom | go to your repo > click source |
| 02:32.25 | jasta | i mean, the link is no longer there on my projects. |
| 02:32.40 | jasta | ohhh, the svn repository |
| 02:32.47 | jasta | that's not svnweb :) |
| 02:33.01 | jasta | wait, did they even have svnweb before? i can't remember now. |
| 02:33.11 | chomchom | I never saw anything else |
| 02:34.36 | chomchom | Oh yeah, that is quite nice |
| 02:34.42 | chomchom | the svnweb, |
| 02:34.48 | jasta | yeah, it's much better than google's stupid thing :) |
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| 02:38.14 | chomchom | my girlfriend is weirdly speaking in tongues in her sleep. |
| 02:38.17 | chomchom | creepy |
| 02:38.36 | jasta | mine says really strange things |
| 02:38.41 | jasta | once, she thought she was a computer |
| 02:38.52 | jasta | and was talking about it...a lot. |
| 02:38.56 | jasta | ...in her sleep. |
| 02:39.18 | chomchom | "clings ma chopin Ma hieght, ma Height, clings ma chopin Ma hieght, ma Height" |
| 02:40.13 | poffy | http://rafb.net/p/nSCelh91.html anyone see anything wrong with that code? |
| 02:40.17 | chomchom | sometimes she laughs so hard she wakes herself and me up. The girl is nuts. |
| 02:40.30 | poffy | It's just a simple app that focuses on a user's location |
| 02:40.40 | poffy | but it gives me the null error |
| 02:41.15 | poffy | It gives me the error on getLatitude() |
| 02:41.28 | poffy | Is loc not getting the location properly? |
| 02:41.55 | zhobbs | you need to check if loc is null |
| 02:42.07 | zhobbs | also, do you have the permissions in the manifest? |
| 02:42.26 | poffy | permissions? |
| 02:42.29 | chomchom | yeah that will be it, check logcat while it's running to see if it complains |
| 02:42.44 | chomchom | using the ddms perspective |
| 02:42.56 | chomchom | put it on verbose output and look for red |
| 02:43.28 | poffy | ok |
| 02:43.35 | chomchom | <uses-permission android:name="android.permission.ACCESS_LOCATION" /> |
| 02:43.35 | chomchom | <uses-permission android:name="android.permission.ACCESS_GPS" /> |
| 02:43.36 | chomchom | <uses-permission android:name="android.permission.ACCESS_ASSISTED_GPS" /> |
| 02:43.36 | chomchom | <uses-permission android:name="android.permission.ACCESS_CELL_ID" /> |
| 02:43.52 | chomchom | stick those into your manifest |
| 02:43.55 | poffy | k |
| 02:47.03 | poffy | So, my manifest should look like http://rafb.net/p/0bpDtD28.html ? |
| 02:47.52 | chomchom | I think you put it out side the application tag |
| 02:47.58 | poffy | Did I? |
| 02:48.12 | chomchom | no, I think thats what you are supposed to do |
| 02:48.18 | poffy | ok |
| 02:49.52 | poffy | Looks like that works :D |
| 02:49.54 | poffy | Thanks a ton |
| 02:49.57 | poffy | I love #android |
| 02:50.11 | chomchom | yeah me too |
| 02:50.15 | zhobbs | that should be the new topic |
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| 03:21.26 | zhobbs | I want to store images for album art in an mp3 player on to the /sdcard...I'm just trying to figure out a good way to name the files |
| 03:21.49 | zhobbs | I was doing it by album id, but if the library gets deleted/refreshed the id will change |
| 03:22.14 | zhobbs | I was thinking of hashing the album/artist name or something... |
| 03:22.32 | zhobbs | I would use album name as filename but I'm wondering about weird characters |
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| 04:24.48 | Andrreeh | ola |
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| 04:54.56 | thedaniel` | hey folks |
| 04:55.01 | thedaniel` | good old #andorid |
| 04:55.17 | zhobbs | hello |
| 04:55.37 | thedaniel` | what would be handy, handy indeed is if someone had a nice default set of contacts with numbers and addressses everyone could use for dummy data |
| 04:55.53 | thedaniel` | maybe package it in a nice little ContactFillerUpper.apk |
| 04:55.58 | thedaniel` | anyone/ |
| 04:56.06 | thedaniel` | i don't want to have to do this myself, but i will if i have to |
| 04:56.13 | muthu | how would it work? |
| 04:56.15 | thedaniel` | i would rather have some contacts so i could do real work |
| 04:56.23 | zhobbs | isn't using contacts for anything yet |
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| 04:57.07 | thedaniel` | muthu: i think probably just a one-use app that has a bunch of contact info in a list of maps and sticks them in the contacts db when you run it |
| 04:57.26 | muthu | daniel: how many are you looking at? |
| 04:57.35 | thedaniel` | though i suppose just a sql file would do, presuming we can get at the contacts db |
| 04:57.41 | zhobbs | thedaniel`: not sure where they're stored on the filesystem, but you might be able to add a bunch of contents and pull the file |
| 04:57.43 | thedaniel` | muthu: oh, not many, a dozen |
| 04:57.52 | zhobbs | then just push it back whenever you need it |
| 04:58.04 | zhobbs | s/contents/contacts |
| 04:58.06 | thedaniel` | zhobbs: that's not a bad idea - i would imagine it's just in a sqlite db somewhere |
| 04:58.49 | thedaniel` | zhobbs: of course for my competition app i'd want to do it programatically at the same time the app DB was created to ensure the judges would have a useful bit of test data |
| 04:59.03 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 04:59.34 | muthu | yes.. creating the dependent data upfront would be good |
| 05:00.29 | muthu | its in /data/data |
| 05:01.01 | muthu | com.google.android.providers.contacts/databases/contacts.db |
| 05:01.25 | zhobbs | yeah, just found it |
| 05:02.27 | zhobbs | .tables on that DB: _deleted_people,android_metadata,people,_sync_state,calls,peopleLookup,_sync_state_metadata,contact_methods,phones |
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| 05:02.58 | muthu | cool.. quickly creating contacts is a good idea |
| 05:03.04 | muthu | you know like setting up mock data |
| 05:03.18 | muthu | no just contacts.. may be more |
| 05:03.21 | zhobbs | gotta make it as easy as possible on the judges |
| 05:03.34 | muthu | not just for the challenge.. but in general |
| 05:03.59 | zhobbs | well on a real phone you won't need to do that |
| 05:04.08 | muthu | mockdata.apk or something (setup all data.. maps, contacts etc.,) |
| 05:04.11 | muthu | only for testing |
| 05:04.18 | muthu | meaning dev env |
| 05:09.21 | thedaniel` | heh, the address book doesn't seem to have an address field |
| 05:10.01 | muthu | which table? |
| 05:10.46 | thedaniel` | i mean the Contacts app in the emulator |
| 05:11.34 | muthu | yeah looks like it |
| 05:11.35 | thedaniel` | ah, but there's a POSTAL_LOCATION_LONGITUDE in ContactMethods |
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| 05:45.55 | thedaniel` | have any of you folks worked with Contact, ContactMethod etc? |
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| 08:06.47 | raidfive | does anyone know how do change the background of an activity? I want to put a logo in the background and have other elements (TextView, ProgressBar, etc) able to be placed over this logo |
| 08:06.57 | thedaniel` | well, creating a contact wasn't as straightforward as it looked (i haven't spent all this time working on it, but a bit then and a bit now) |
| 08:07.25 | thedaniel` | insert() seems to return an Uri if it was successful and just returns null with no info if there was a problem? how..awesome |
| 08:08.00 | thedaniel` | makes friends with logcat |
| 08:08.42 | muthu | raidfive: you can set a drawable as the background |
| 08:14.04 | raidfive | nice thanks |
| 08:14.37 | raidfive | why doesn't google link their xml files ... some of their demo code is pointless without them |
| 08:20.45 | nil132 | can anybody please tell me how to create a photo slide show using image switcher |
| 08:21.12 | thedaniel` | raidfive: which xml files do you mean? |
| 08:21.20 | thedaniel` | raidfive: the stuff from android.R.layout? |
| 08:21.52 | thedaniel` | raidfive: if that's what you mean, an enterprising dude that often idles in this channel managed to decode their binary xml and put an archive of those xml files on his blog |
| 08:23.02 | thedaniel` | raidfive: if what you mean are the layouts for the sample apps, for the views that you actually see when you run the emulator, you can find those in the samples/ directory in the sdk |
| 08:23.12 | nil132 | can anybody help me out to create a photo slide show |
| 08:23.13 | thedaniel` | like, ApiDemos/res/layout et cetera |
| 08:23.42 | thedaniel` | nil132: is there example code for how to use ImageSwitcher in the ApiDemos project/ |
| 08:24.13 | nil132 | ya i have gone through it |
| 08:24.26 | nil132 | but unable to create a slide show |
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| 08:26.06 | raidfive | thedaniel`, yea I have that archive thankfully :) |
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| 08:31.10 | thedaniel` | any googlers in the house? when I try to create a ContactMethod via contentprovider, insert() returns null HOWEVER there are no SQL errors revealed in LogCat |
| 08:32.00 | muthu | do you have the permissions set? |
| 08:32.22 | thedaniel` | muthu: you know, i set the contact permissions, but i wonder if i need a ContactMethod permission! |
| 08:32.25 | thedaniel` | i bet it's that |
| 08:32.27 | thedaniel` | slaps forehead |
| 08:33.23 | nil132 | how to set an image as background? |
| 08:34.41 | muthu | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.52 | nil132 | Tab_indicator is an image ?or what? |
| 08:36.12 | muthu | its a .png file in res/drawable |
| 08:36.21 | muthu | so you can set whatever png you like |
| 08:36.24 | nil132 | ok |
| 08:36.41 | thedaniel` | muthu: hm, the docs refer to ContentProvider permissions, but suggest that SecurityExceptions will be thrown |
| 08:36.49 | nil132 | let me try n inform u |
| 08:37.14 | muthu | daniel: haven't worked with contacts yet |
| 08:37.25 | thedaniel` | muthu: well, good luck when you do ;) |
| 08:37.30 | muthu | thx |
| 08:37.44 | muthu | am staying away from the contacts for now ;) |
| 08:37.46 | thedaniel` | hopefully i'll suffer through all your problems and you can just ask me |
| 08:37.58 | thedaniel` | the sacrifices i make for #android! *sniff* |
| 08:38.01 | muthu | jasta: the android god would help us |
| 08:38.26 | nil132 | Thanku muthu it worked |
| 08:38.31 | muthu | cool nil |
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| 08:41.29 | nil132 | muthu i have one more question |
| 08:41.38 | nil132 | r u there? |
| 08:42.02 | muthu | yes nil |
| 08:42.57 | nil132 | when we run the applications provided by google the highlighte list item or photo from grid view or anything that is highlighted appears with blue colour |
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| 08:43.11 | muthu | ok |
| 08:43.31 | nil132 | and when i run my application the highlighted item appears with yellow colour |
| 08:43.48 | nil132 | whats the problem |
| 08:43.53 | muthu | i've been seeing the yellow highlite |
| 08:43.58 | muthu | where you get blue? |
| 08:44.19 | nil132 | its for the applications provided by android |
| 08:44.31 | nil132 | the demo app |
| 08:44.39 | muthu | which one? |
| 08:44.50 | nil132 | any one u run from demos |
| 08:45.49 | muthu | its all yellow for me |
| 08:47.08 | nil132 | for me its blue |
| 08:47.16 | nil132 | and what about menu items |
| 08:48.00 | nil132 | even when we just enter the ApiDemos |
| 08:48.00 | muthu | its all the same theme |
| 08:48.11 | muthu | m15-rc15 |
| 08:48.13 | muthu | that's what i run |
| 08:48.33 | nil132 | the App,Graphics,Content all appear blue when highlighted |
| 08:48.46 | nil132 | no its first version |
| 08:49.05 | nil132 | m3 |
| 08:49.14 | muthu | oh. thats why |
| 08:49.31 | nil132 | but have used the first version |
| 08:49.38 | muthu | in m5 its all yellow |
| 08:49.54 | nil132 | blue looks cool than yellow |
| 08:50.16 | nil132 | how to create a photo slide show ? |
| 08:50.21 | nil132 | do u have any idea |
| 08:50.30 | muthu | have you tried gallery? |
| 08:50.38 | muthu | its all in apidemos |
| 08:51.02 | nil132 | ya but the image is enlarged when it is clicked |
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| 08:51.41 | nil132 | i want a photo slide show with a mere click of a button or menu option |
| 08:52.16 | muthu | you can do animation |
| 08:52.51 | nil132 | do u have any idea about how can i start |
| 08:53.01 | nil132 | bcoz i have never used animation |
| 08:53.02 | muthu | what about imageswitcher? |
| 08:54.12 | nil132 | image switcher will work but if the for loop used to switch the images is put in the onCreate(Bundle)only the last image is visible |
| 08:54.38 | muthu | check out the animation.. in api demos |
| 08:55.00 | nil132 | ok |
| 08:55.08 | nil132 | thank you |
| 08:55.29 | muthu | use a viewflipper |
| 08:56.09 | nil132 | will try |
| 08:56.27 | muthu | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.58 | muthu | before that, set mFlipper.setInAnimation(AnimationUtils.loadAnimation(this, R.anim.in)); |
| 08:58.18 | nil132 | ok but how to assign image source |
| 08:58.25 | muthu | in xml |
| 08:58.53 | muthu | use <ImageView> inside <ViewFlipper> |
| 08:59.13 | nil132 | in xml |
| 08:59.50 | muthu | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.50 | muthu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:00.32 | nil132 | but if i use an array of images in my java file then how to access it using animation |
| 09:00.45 | nil132 | but then this for one image |
| 09:01.31 | muthu | you can have many images inside your flipper |
| 09:01.35 | muthu | that's just 1 example |
| 09:02.06 | nil132 | ok but all the time i have to mention different img src |
| 09:02.24 | muthu | so you would have for ex: 10 image views and view flipper would start flipping the images at the scheduled interval |
| 09:03.18 | nil132 | but in my application i m going to get images from a server |
| 09:03.42 | nil132 | so its not possible to make changes in xml file at that time |
| 09:04.10 | muthu | ok |
| 09:04.32 | muthu | i'm sure the gallery, imageswitcher, viewflipper can be used |
| 09:04.38 | muthu | check it out |
| 09:04.47 | nil132 | ok i will try |
| 09:04.57 | nil132 | thanks for ur help |
| 09:05.10 | muthu | good luck |
| 09:05.14 | raidfive | when setting the background for a view, how do I prevent it from stretching my image to fill both horz and vert ? |
| 09:05.43 | muthu | there's this fillXY attribute |
| 09:06.04 | muthu | i guess the scaleType |
| 09:06.11 | raidfive | FIX_XY? |
| 09:06.13 | raidfive | FIT |
| 09:06.19 | muthu | yes fitXY |
| 09:06.31 | muthu | that would stretch |
| 09:06.41 | muthu | you want to set the scaleType attr to something else |
| 09:06.56 | muthu | this stretches - android:scaleType="fitXY" |
| 09:07.32 | raidfive | will that mess with any other elements that are added to the view? or is it just for the background? |
| 09:07.55 | muthu | not sure |
| 09:08.46 | muthu | i'm having this funny thought |
| 09:09.22 | raidfive | damn, tried all the different ScaleTypes for ImageView and nothing :/ |
| 09:09.43 | muthu | some of the 50 winners would come say: "yeah, i did it in a day.. you know in a couple of hours when i was chatting over the phone" ;) |
| 09:10.25 | muthu | i'm taking it easy.. |
| 09:10.33 | muthu | many times i blame it on android |
| 09:11.14 | muthu | android.org costs 75k, any takers? |
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| 09:22.26 | chomchom | I can categorically state that I have spent more than a few hours on my project. No matter how crappy it will appear. So no , "I did it in a day" shenanigans from me. |
| 09:23.07 | muthu | chomchom: its going to happen |
| 09:23.29 | chomchom | Some guys are really that good though and I have no doubt they could do it in a day |
| 09:23.58 | muthu | may be a day is a overkill.. but you know a couple of days or week |
| 09:24.41 | chomchom | I have personally witnessed guys just run with an idea and do in two or three hours what would take me weeks. It's just some peoples make up. |
| 09:25.02 | chomchom | True hackers man, you gotta love 'em. |
| 09:25.07 | muthu | agree |
| 09:27.19 | chomchom | I'm getting so irrationally excited to see the top 50 apps! |
| 09:27.43 | chomchom | I hop google parades them and we can all poke about the source |
| 09:27.59 | muthu | source will not be revealed |
| 09:28.14 | davidw | they don't have to be open source |
| 09:28.30 | muthu | but with jasta magic may be you can reverse engineer ;) |
| 09:28.45 | chomchom | reallys? Thats a shame, but I'm sure there will be a great many that are |
| 09:29.22 | chomchom | I suppose its actually a really good thing to get more sceptical companies on board |
| 09:29.40 | muthu | like what? |
| 09:29.47 | muthu | or who? |
| 09:30.51 | chomchom | Like a small company run by older programmer guys who know nothing about 'the new state of play' in the software industry. |
| 09:31.06 | muthu | yeah.. hope its a mixed bag |
| 09:31.28 | muthu | i'm sure there would be a lot of discussions(ahem) over the winners |
| 09:31.34 | chomchom | They will have a very hard time parting with their source. Also I too think it's best to keep it to yourself for the very early stages |
| 09:32.07 | chomchom | Once you let it go it will be harder to change as it is under the constant critique of the world |
| 09:32.13 | chomchom | ok, gotta run to work |
| 09:32.16 | chomchom | cya |
| 09:32.19 | muthu | bye |
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| 10:59.09 | rhett | I'm going to need to work on android offline for a few days. Does anyone know how I can have a local cache of the api searchable? |
| 10:59.18 | rhett | is that possible? |
| 11:00.04 | davidw | eh? |
| 11:00.07 | davidw | it's part of the sdk |
| 11:00.13 | davidw | oh, searcheable |
| 11:00.21 | davidw | that's what grep is for:-) |
| 11:01.12 | rhett | good idea davidw , so I should just use some kind of wget miror |
| 11:01.34 | davidw | no |
| 11:01.40 | davidw | you have all the html as part of the sdk |
| 11:02.02 | rhett | ahhh "docs" |
| 11:02.04 | rhett | awesome |
| 11:02.05 | rhett | :) |
| 11:02.54 | rhett | nice of google to think of me like that :) |
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| 11:35.31 | Sophiroth | IS there anyone mentoring android projects for Google SOC? |
| 11:36.05 | davidw | is it in the list of projects? |
| 11:36.20 | Sophiroth | yeah I think so |
| 11:36.50 | davidw | I don't see it |
| 11:37.15 | Sophiroth | It must be a specific application project for Android |
| 11:37.32 | Sophiroth | If u have any better idea for an app in android u may go for it |
| 11:38.03 | Sophiroth | I think of creating a game using openGL |
| 11:38.27 | davidw | I don't see it. |
| 11:38.35 | Sophiroth | one sec |
| 11:38.37 | davidw | that sounds like the contest |
| 11:39.37 | Sophiroth | http://code.google.com/p/protobot/ |
| 11:39.38 | Sophiroth | thats is a project |
| 11:39.55 | Sophiroth | which link are you referring to? |
| 11:42.32 | davidw | http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ |
| 11:42.38 | davidw | which is what you asked about |
| 11:42.46 | davidw | I don't see 'protobot' amongst the list of organizations there |
| 11:43.03 | davidw | it could be that one of those things has something for android |
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| 11:45.47 | davidw | there's an outside chance that I could get some traction in the Tcl community for a SoC Hecl projec |
| 11:45.48 | davidw | t |
| 11:55.58 | Sophiroth | u mean to say there must be an organization which is hosting that project? |
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| 12:00.16 | davidw | Sophiroth, what is it that you want to do? |
| 12:00.20 | davidw | you're confusing me |
| 12:05.15 | Sophiroth | I want to do a game in ANDROID |
| 12:05.21 | Sophiroth | DO u get me? |
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| 12:06.20 | Sophiroth | david are u there? |
| 12:06.45 | Sophiroth | Whenever I navigate to the organization list on the Google SOC page ot shows me that no project has been currently assigned to that organization |
| 12:09.35 | davidw | if you want to write a game in Android, by all means, write a game in Android. |
| 12:10.09 | davidw | get started here: http://code.google.com/android/ |
| 12:13.19 | muthu | Google âLCBâ localised mobile category search uncovered (http://www.phonemag.com/google-lcb-localised-mobile-category-search-uncovered-031896.php) |
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| 12:14.51 | muthu | LCB - "searchless search" |
| 12:16.00 | davidw | interesting |
| 12:16.31 | muthu | yeah david |
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| 14:54.47 | rhett_ | hey jasta |
| 15:02.39 | jasta_ | hello |
| 15:02.50 | jasta_ | looks at the topic |
| 15:03.43 | jasta_ | a hitchhiker's reference? ugh, nerds :) |
| 15:04.44 | morrildl | jasta_: Apparently I am a lamer though, I guess it's actually MAY 25, not MARCH 25 |
| 15:05.08 | zhobbs | hehe, I just searched the topic and see that also |
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| 15:06.43 | morrildl | I guess you guys know what to expect on May 25 then :) |
| 15:07.40 | zhobbs | we're stuck with that topic for 2 months? :) |
| 15:08.05 | davidw | morrildl, poopy diapers |
| 15:08.22 | davidw | like every other day after early may |
| 15:08.50 | morrildl | davidw: O RLY |
| 15:09.24 | davidw | apparently |
| 15:09.46 | morrildl | Got a small baby person on the way or something? |
| 15:09.56 | davidw | yeah |
| 15:10.02 | morrildl | davidw: nice work :) |
| 15:10.06 | davidw | thanks:-) |
| 15:10.11 | jasta | i wouldn't call making babies "work" |
| 15:10.12 | morrildl | Congratulations, &c. |
| 15:10.39 | davidw | jasta, neither would I, but my wife gets offended when I tell her that it's all pretty easy |
| 15:10.54 | jasta | well that's because it's not for her |
| 15:12.04 | jasta | in other news, i just got a sort of eerie note from my boss saying that this relatively large project he just gave me is due Apr 15th first thing in the morning |
| 15:12.16 | muthu | lol |
| 15:12.18 | zhobbs | hehe |
| 15:12.27 | jasta | i can't exactly tell him that deadline really conflicts with ...another deadline. :) |
| 15:12.41 | muthu | can you suggest android? |
| 15:13.12 | zhobbs | some guy on the mailing list was saying he lost his job because he was focusing too much on his ADC project |
| 15:13.25 | muthu | oh boy |
| 15:13.31 | zhobbs | his boss said his heart wasn't into his working or something like that |
| 15:13.33 | jasta | well that guys an idiot. i haven't told my company about android at all. |
| 15:13.52 | muthu | yeah.. why he disclosed that? |
| 15:13.54 | muthu | crazy! |
| 15:14.00 | jasta | that would be a major conflict of interest |
| 15:14.25 | davidw | works for himself and unfortunately... my boss is really an asshole |
| 15:14.32 | muthu | hehe |
| 15:14.32 | zhobbs | yeah, outside projects should be kept secret |
| 15:14.58 | jasta | everyone is too naive as to think their personal time is really of no interest to the company :) |
| 15:15.36 | muthu | i guess he was working for google |
| 15:15.37 | muthu | lol |
| 15:15.46 | davidw | really? |
| 15:15.51 | muthu | no no |
| 15:15.54 | muthu | jk |
| 15:16.57 | rhett_ | hey jasta can you pm? |
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| 15:17.30 | jasta | sure |
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| 15:24.38 | jasta | anyway, if management at my company knew i was working on Android, they would probably rightly be nervous that I'd be quitting at some point looking for a career change |
| 15:24.46 | jasta | and might preemptively fire me as a result. |
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| 15:25.11 | jasta | likewise, my productivity at work has certainly declined indirectly resulting from Android because i'm just less interested in my somewhat boring job |
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| 15:25.30 | Kraln | pff |
| 15:25.39 | Kraln | I read something online about how this guy was working with a bunch of idiots |
| 15:25.47 | Kraln | and the management would announce crazy schedule changes |
| 15:26.02 | Kraln | and they'd work one day out of the week while the guy was looking at the crap code they'd done and suggesting improvements |
| 15:26.10 | Kraln | and then I realized that I worked at that place |
| 15:26.24 | Kraln | and I died a little inside. |
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| 16:03.02 | poffy | oh hey Kraln |
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| 16:11.36 | Kraln | oh hiu |
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| 16:16.20 | poffy | Kraln, are you entering the Android SUPAH-MONAY compo? |
| 16:16.42 | B0jangles | has anybody experienced ScrollView.scrollTo(x,y) not working but smoothScrollTo(x,y) working? |
| 16:16.51 | B0jangles | Does scrollTo() not function? |
| 16:17.48 | B0jangles | not that it matters too much, smoothScrollTo works well enough I guess, but it's weird that scrollTo doesn't work |
| 16:18.12 | Kraln | poffy: I've found I don't have time to complete my project, I'll toss you a pm about it later though |
| 16:18.37 | poffy | Kraln, k. I'm going to see if I can't hax something together for the deadline |
| 16:18.51 | poffy | I'm not really that close.. but I'm going to see what I can do |
| 16:19.31 | Kraln | poffy: see pm |
| 16:19.42 | poffy | I don't see it |
| 16:20.28 | Kraln | blinks |
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| 16:59.23 | jasta | yawn |
| 17:00.16 | zhobbs | I'm starting to finally wake up |
| 17:04.16 | jasta | i'm irritated that i have so much actual work to do these next few weeks |
| 17:04.22 | muthu | yo people |
| 17:04.25 | jasta | i was hoping to slack off and just spend all my energy at night on the ADC :) |
| 17:04.31 | zhobbs | jasta: same here...that's how it always happens though |
| 17:04.48 | muthu | android.org costs 75k - want em? |
| 17:04.51 | zhobbs | I know the week after april 14 I'll have NOTHING to do for my normal work |
| 17:05.13 | muthu | zhobbs really? |
| 17:05.32 | muthu | can ya all suggest me a mobile domain? |
| 17:05.38 | zhobbs | muthu: well that's just how it seems to work...extreme peaks and valleys |
| 17:05.56 | muthu | you should be working on your app, no? |
| 17:06.12 | muthu | i'm building this mobile search engine.. suggest me a domain |
| 17:06.46 | zhobbs | muthu: mobile search engine as in: search web from mobile? search web from PC for sites about mobile? |
| 17:06.59 | muthu | search stuff from mobile |
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| 17:07.12 | muthu | find people, restaurants etc., |
| 17:07.25 | jjt001 | heyo |
| 17:07.30 | jjt001 | have a quick question |
| 17:07.31 | muthu | its purely for a mobile |
| 17:07.39 | zhobbs | nowiressearch.com |
| 17:07.46 | zhobbs | that's kinda lame though |
| 17:07.59 | muthu | hmm.. interesting |
| 17:08.11 | jjt001 | zhobbs: the subactivity i'm passing an object to |
| 17:08.17 | muthu | mobeegal |
| 17:08.23 | jjt001 | can only retrieve an Intent |
| 17:08.32 | jjt001 | which in turn can only retrieve a Parcelable |
| 17:08.49 | jjt001 | and Parcelable only has a single method (a writer) |
| 17:08.57 | jjt001 | how do i retrieve data from a Parcelable? |
| 17:09.14 | jjt001 | or is there another method i should call? |
| 17:09.15 | zhobbs | you have to do more than just implement that one writer function |
| 17:09.27 | zhobbs | jjt001: http://code.google.com/android/reference/aidl.html |
| 17:09.46 | zhobbs | look down at the same "public final class Rect implements Parcelable" |
| 17:10.00 | jjt001 | ok |
| 17:10.01 | jjt001 | thanks |
| 17:10.34 | zhobbs | you have to create that public "CREATOR" as a Parcelable.Creater<Type> |
| 17:10.47 | jjt001 | that's strange |
| 17:10.57 | jjt001 | additional methods should be defined in the interface |
| 17:11.06 | jjt001 | otherwise things get confusing |
| 17:11.09 | zhobbs | jjt001: yeah, it's weird |
| 17:11.22 | jjt001 | zhobbs: thanks anyway |
| 17:11.56 | zhobbs | jjt001: yeah, but it's actually pretty easy to make an object parcelable |
| 17:12.14 | muthu | hey, i registered androidrocks.com.. yippy! |
| 17:12.34 | muthu | love androidrocks.com :) |
| 17:12.55 | zhobbs | nice |
| 17:13.39 | muthu | moboogle is taken |
| 17:14.48 | muthu | androidrocks.com would be my consulting site.. need to put some stuff there |
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| 17:29.59 | jjt001 | to load a list from a parcel, it looks like i need a ClassLoader |
| 17:30.11 | jjt001 | should i just pass in getSystemClassLoader() |
| 17:30.12 | jjt001 | ? |
| 17:30.45 | jjt001 | zhobbs: |
| 17:31.25 | zhobbs | do you just writeList(), readList()? |
| 17:32.03 | zhobbs | what's your List consist of? |
| 17:32.36 | jjt001 | yep |
| 17:32.39 | jjt001 | Strings |
| 17:32.55 | zhobbs | so writeList() and readList() isn't working? |
| 17:33.17 | jjt001 | what i'm saying is to read a list from a parcel, you need to pass in a ClassLoader |
| 17:33.30 | jjt001 | so should i just pass in ClassLoader.getSystemClassLoader ()? |
| 17:34.01 | zhobbs | no idea |
| 17:34.12 | jjt001 | i'll try this |
| 17:34.20 | zhobbs | yeah try that and let me know |
| 17:34.25 | jjt001 | it looks like the only way to obtain a legitimate class loader |
| 17:34.27 | jjt001 | will do |
| 17:34.34 | jjt001 | thanks |
| 17:38.28 | muthu | Googleâs original chef Charlie Ayers claims in a new book that much of Googleâs success comes from free beer and sushi. |
| 17:38.47 | muthu | http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Techcrunch/~3/257353681/ |
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| 17:39.09 | zhobbs | that would get me going |
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| 17:52.01 | jasta | i don't like sushi :) |
| 17:52.34 | zhobbs | I figured everyone in seattle liked sushi |
| 17:52.40 | jjt001 | zhobbs: final question |
| 17:53.11 | jjt001 | zhobbs: how can i retrieve the data from within a parcelable from the onCreate method of a subactivity? |
| 17:53.25 | jasta | zhobbs: most people do, but i don't. |
| 17:53.34 | jasta | i don't like most japanese food. |
| 17:53.50 | zhobbs | jjt001: Bundle b = this.getIntent().getExtras(); |
| 17:53.54 | f00f- | it's all about unagi |
| 17:53.54 | jasta | jjt001: you would pass it through the bundle. |
| 17:54.13 | zhobbs | jjt001: MyType var = (MyType) b.getParcelable(KEY); |
| 17:54.24 | jjt001 | ok |
| 17:54.26 | jjt001 | thanks a lot |
| 17:54.34 | zhobbs | np |
| 17:54.35 | jjt001 | i'll tell you whether the ClassLoader works |
| 17:56.22 | muthu | japanese food is so damn expensive |
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| 18:02.27 | benley | try french |
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| 18:05.40 | muthu | ok.. i couldn't resist. one more link.. bear with me |
| 18:05.45 | muthu | http://www.thefrisky.com/post/if_hillary_and_barack_had_a_baby/ |
| 18:06.24 | B0jangles | creepy |
| 18:06.37 | muthu | real creepy |
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| 18:10.54 | benley | eek |
| 18:15.51 | B0jangles | is there a way to set up arbitrary collapsible regions in Java, like there is in C#? |
| 18:18.02 | B0jangles | I guess that's a no |
| 18:19.06 | muthu | bojangles: in your ide, you mean? |
| 18:19.23 | B0jangles | no, just in my code in Eclipse |
| 18:19.35 | B0jangles | You know, like you can collapse a function... |
| 18:19.47 | B0jangles | with the little - in the left border |
| 18:19.53 | zhobbs | you can in eclipse |
| 18:20.02 | zhobbs | oh you mean arbitrary regions, don't know about that |
| 18:20.09 | B0jangles | yes, arbitrary regions |
| 18:20.11 | muthu | arbitrary.. no |
| 18:20.17 | B0jangles | in C#, you just do #region, #endregion |
| 18:20.19 | B0jangles | okay, thanks |
| 18:20.35 | zhobbs | really a function of the IDE not the language |
| 18:20.56 | B0jangles | well, yeah, but the language has to know not to parse the "#region" |
| 18:20.57 | muthu | i'm not sure if intellij does that |
| 18:24.29 | jjt001 | hello? |
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| 18:24.38 | B0jangles | er |
| 18:30.23 | poffy | Anyone see the problem with these classes? http://rafb.net/p/pDHQIJ97.html http://rafb.net/p/5Dij7e67.html |
| 18:31.06 | poffy | I want the MapActivity to start, just to test stuff out, when I open the application |
| 18:31.24 | poffy | and for some reason, it just sits there and doesn't display the map at all |
| 18:32.39 | B0jangles | Why do you start a FriendList subactivity from FriendList? |
| 18:32.55 | poffy | ahahaha |
| 18:33.07 | poffy | Wow |
| 18:33.17 | zhobbs | ;) |
| 18:33.19 | B0jangles | I guess that's it |
| 18:33.24 | poffy | No wonder starting the application started to make my computer slow done |
| 18:33.29 | B0jangles | lol |
| 18:33.42 | B0jangles | while(1){} |
| 18:33.45 | poffy | yeah |
| 18:34.11 | poffy | I looked at my log and was wondering why it kept starting the same process over and over again |
| 18:34.12 | poffy | heh |
| 18:34.12 | poffy | wow |
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| 18:34.42 | muthu | did it stop ever? |
| 18:34.49 | poffy | not till I closed my app |
| 18:35.09 | muthu | its a blank activity.. so i guess you had time |
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| 19:40.58 | chomchom | davidw: congratulations on the baby making. |
| 19:55.48 | jasta | is it wrong that i am trying to encourage my girlfriend to sign up for some graphic design courses at school so that she can create artwork for my android projects? :) |
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| 19:58.27 | marlun | Is this channel about Google Android? |
| 19:59.13 | muthu | why is it wrong? |
| 20:00.02 | jasta | muthu: i dunno, just feels selfish :) |
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| 20:02.10 | muthu | jasta: i don't think so |
| 20:02.35 | muthu | *encourage* is ok |
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| 20:57.31 | dpino | I am trying to pass an array of Integer to an Activity via an Intent, I am exploring putExtra/getParcelableArrayExtra but got nothing, which is the best way to do this, any suggestions? |
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| 21:22.29 | plusminus_ | Hey guys. |
| 21:22.49 | loic-pointgphone | hi :) |
| 21:22.50 | plusminus_ | Anyone knows whether we can expect another sdk-release before the ADC-End ? |
| 21:22.51 | chomchom | good evening! |
| 21:22.54 | plusminus_ | hi |
| 21:23.11 | plusminus_ | lol i meant not "End" but "Deadline" |
| 21:23.55 | chomchom | The google guys will know, but I certainly do not expect |
| 21:24.11 | plusminus_ | yeah its just 19 days left :( |
| 21:24.22 | chomchom | yeah I see from your count down |
| 21:24.27 | plusminus_ | ^^ |
| 21:24.28 | chomchom | nice touch |
| 21:24.41 | chomchom | how is your app coming along? |
| 21:24.52 | plusminus_ | somewhen/somewhere I promised to put a countdown there ^^ |
| 21:25.03 | plusminus_ | hm, no progress in the last 2 weeks :( |
| 21:25.12 | plusminus_ | so much to do at uniersity |
| 21:25.31 | chomchom | darn life, getting in the way. |
| 21:25.38 | plusminus_ | ^^ |
| 21:26.34 | plusminus_ | I'll add some minor features to AndNav! and then simply submit it, hoping of having a chance ^^ |
| 21:29.02 | chomchom | I think it looks pretty good, you know your way around more than most so if you can refine it better than others who have chosen to develop navigation apps I really think you have a good chance. |
| 21:29.31 | chomchom | The devil wil be in the detail in a navigator app. |
| 21:34.42 | plusminus_ | jap |
| 21:35.25 | poffy | Google needs to release a new sdk to fix animatino |
| 21:35.29 | poffy | animation |
| 21:35.40 | plusminus_ | what do you expect, hitting the Menu-Button, being in navigation-mode |
| 21:36.48 | davidw | damn... the inlaws watch way too much TV |
| 21:37.05 | plusminus_ | lol |
| 21:39.16 | plusminus_ | anyone got a snippet, how to disable the zoom-functionality on a MapView ? |
| 21:41.31 | plusminus_ | just set an OnLongPressListener ?? |
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| 21:42.37 | plusminus_ | o_O What is the difference between OnLongPressListener and OnLongClickListener ?!? |
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| 22:31.43 | plusminus_ | calling canvas.rotate(float f); in an Overlay causes really straneg behaviour. Everything gets drawn twice! |
| 22:33.35 | plusminus_ | so the everythign appears once in the place expected and the second time, rotated againg by the angle passed!!! |
| 22:33.44 | plusminus_ | this is crazy |
| 22:39.02 | mihoshi | This is ANROOOIIID! |
| 22:39.21 | plusminus_ | i so need to make a issue-submission |
| 22:39.26 | plusminus_ | this is valuable, lol |
| 22:40.07 | plusminus_ | what happens is simply impossible |
| 22:40.21 | f00f- | double buffering issues probably |
| 22:40.26 | plusminus_ | (imo) ;) |
| 22:40.58 | f00f- | plusminus_ |
| 22:41.01 | f00f- | you work with map overlays right |
| 22:41.02 | f00f- | ? |
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| 22:41.14 | plusminus_ | yes |
| 22:41.14 | f00f- | i'm having lag when scrolling around in a map |
| 22:41.20 | f00f- | i have about 6 overlays |
| 22:41.32 | plusminus_ | thats the reason maybe |
| 22:41.43 | f00f- | each 32x32 px |
| 22:41.57 | f00f- | i guess i'll have to accept it. |
| 22:42.14 | f00f- | do you know how to correctly draw ninepatch png's as overlays? |
| 22:42.23 | f00f- | that is, stretch them properly per the zoom level ? |
| 22:42.24 | plusminus_ | not done before |
| 22:43.12 | plusminus_ | my feeling is, that draw() of the Overlay gets called twice on the same bitmap, somehow... |
| 22:43.38 | jasta | f00f-: I've been ignoring quite a few of the performance problems in my app, unfortunately. I just can't imagine that they're my fault, so... |
| 22:44.19 | jasta | hopefully i will have a chance to investigate before the challenge deadline, otherwise whatever :) |
| 22:44.29 | f00f- | i was thinking of optimizing a floating point to long conversion issue, but i might just leave it be, seen as there are lots of perf issues on the map. |
| 22:44.42 | jasta | it's also difficult to tell how it will perform on physical hardware |
| 22:45.08 | f00f- | well if it's slow on the emulator, then i won't have high hopes :\ |
| 22:45.59 | jasta | i have heard quite a few reports from folks that real hardware runs much faster than the emulator under certain conditions |
| 22:46.42 | plusminus_ | yep, seems to depend highly on the hardware-setup used (not just MHz) |
| 22:46.50 | f00f- | why not just clk_speed++ for the emu... |
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| 23:27.16 | poffy | quick quick animation question |
| 23:27.25 | poffy | Apparently, they got it working somewhere |
| 23:27.52 | poffy | the docs are apparently out of date |
| 23:28.03 | poffy | I'm trying to use the new XML stuff, but it's not working |
| 23:28.04 | poffy | http://rafb.net/p/3pnG8953.html |
| 23:28.26 | poffy | Eclipse is telling me that there's an unbound prefix |
| 23:29.09 | poffy | Here's the thread, by the way, http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/90f0b250f61694c3/0fac0aba91eec37b?#0fac0aba91eec37b |
| 23:29.14 | poffy | I'm not sure if I'm missing something... |
| 23:39.36 | jasta | what a day, sheesh... |
| 23:40.09 | poffy | hm |
| 23:45.26 | poffy | I got a single frame of the animation to show up |
| 23:46.03 | poffy | http://rafb.net/p/ImEYlR96.html |
| 23:46.10 | poffy | Nothing moves, however |
| 23:47.08 | jasta | There are animation bugs around... |
| 23:47.23 | jasta | try disabling drawing cache in the view being animated |
| 23:47.30 | jasta | also, search the android issue list for similar bug reports... |
| 23:48.36 | poffy | drawing cache? How would I disable that? |
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| 23:52.37 | poffy | This problem is driving me nuts |
| 23:52.38 | poffy | blah |
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| 23:52.56 | poffy | I guess I'll have to work on it at home, later. |