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| 00:15.52 | ksiomelo` | does anyone know if it is possible to change the options menu layout? |
| 00:16.59 | ksiomelo` | I want a vertical menu, not that hz menu with large buttons (it is hiding some functions of my app when appears) |
| 00:17.08 | ksiomelo` | :P |
| 00:17.18 | chomchom | yeah that happens to me too |
| 00:18.09 | ksiomelo` | do you have any work around? |
| 00:19.09 | chomchom | nope sorry, just sympathising, not really worrying about it right now |
| 00:19.28 | chomchom | you could try in the mean time specifying a different order |
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| 00:27.36 | chomchom | Dan_U: your apps look really great. I wish I was in the position to release mine for some user stress testing, but I can't until I tie the screens together under the new UI. If you choose to make any amendments can you make a resubmission? |
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| 00:31.25 | chomchom | Dan_U: also, when I tried to make an account with the same username on all 5 of the sites they complained that there was already an account under my name |
| 00:31.34 | chomchom | which I'm guessing is mine |
| 00:31.54 | Kuja | attacks poffy |
| 00:34.11 | chomchom | Dan_U: you may want to check the error logs for finddroid and traveloid as I got errors creating accounts for both of them |
| 00:34.34 | chomchom | may be connected to me incrementing my username by one for each site |
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| 00:47.32 | poffy | Kraln, pm doesn't work since I haven't registered this nick |
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| 01:02.37 | ksiomelo` | chomchom: he is using the same user table for all app, I saw it somewhere I could'n find now |
| 01:02.44 | ksiomelo` | *apps |
| 01:02.58 | chomchom | yeah I guessed as much |
| 01:03.47 | jasta | heading home... |
| 01:03.50 | ksiomelo` | I am working on 2 apps, but they are very 'delayed' since I begun just a month ago |
| 01:03.53 | ksiomelo` | =( |
| 01:04.26 | ksiomelo` | how many apps are you planning to submit? |
| 01:04.46 | chomchom | me? I'm working on just one :) |
| 01:07.05 | tauren | i'm just starting with android as of today. |
| 01:07.27 | tauren | i'm assuming there is no possible way to get up to speed in time to submit something. |
| 01:07.40 | tauren | how long did it take you guys to get up to speed to actually be productive? |
| 01:07.50 | chomchom | theres no telling what you could do |
| 01:08.01 | ksiomelo` | hahaha I am still not productive |
| 01:08.07 | tauren | well, i program java for a living, so i'm comfortable with that |
| 01:08.42 | ksiomelo` | tauren: depending on your application, it could take less time |
| 01:08.47 | chomchom | Its taken me a while but everyone has their strengths, I reckon you could definitely get an app together in a month |
| 01:08.52 | tauren | but i do mostly web apps. although i do use component based systems, so i'm familiar with the concepts used by android |
| 01:08.54 | ksiomelo` | what are you planning to do, more or less? |
| 01:09.18 | chomchom | I'm a java programmer as well and found it to be a very easy platform |
| 01:09.25 | tauren | i'm toying with some ideas, trying to figure out which would make the most sense time-wise. |
| 01:09.49 | tauren | dealing with location-awareness mostly. |
| 01:09.54 | chomchom | Strip it down to the most basic thing and then make it really stand out at that thing |
| 01:10.11 | ksiomelo` | hmm I can tell you that client-server communication can be a headache.. |
| 01:10.17 | tauren | what kinds of apps are others doing? Has anyone shared their ideas? |
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| 01:10.26 | tauren | I saw the athena site a while ago. |
| 01:10.38 | chomchom | There are a lot of location based social networking apps |
| 01:10.45 | ksiomelo` | I am doing a location based social network for media distribution |
| 01:10.48 | ksiomelo` | indeed |
| 01:10.52 | tauren | mine would not be social networking persay. |
| 01:10.54 | ksiomelo` | hehe |
| 01:10.59 | tauren | per-say? is that a word? |
| 01:11.07 | chomchom | If you could think of something that isn't to do with social networking that might be a novelty |
| 01:11.27 | tauren | ok |
| 01:11.28 | ksiomelo` | chomchom: hahaha agreed |
| 01:11.47 | tauren | so most everything you've heard of so far is dealing with social aspects? |
| 01:11.58 | ksiomelo` | yep.. |
| 01:12.00 | chomchom | yes very much so |
| 01:12.40 | tauren | i saw some stuff about games too. but i'm not interested in that path at this time. |
| 01:12.55 | chomchom | oh yeah there is a really exciting game coming out |
| 01:12.58 | tauren | most of my concepts definitely involve client-server stuff. |
| 01:13.17 | ksiomelo` | there's a cool app database at http://www.helloandroid.com/apps?sort=desc&order=Rating |
| 01:13.19 | tauren | ksiomelo`: so client-server stuff is difficult? |
| 01:13.21 | chomchom | I think that is where the real power of these apps lie yes |
| 01:13.46 | tauren | sweet. thanks for the link! |
| 01:13.52 | ksiomelo` | tauren: it depends on the kind of information you're dealing |
| 01:14.08 | tauren | what about streaming video to a server? anyone working with that? |
| 01:14.19 | ksiomelo` | in my case I had to use objects streaming, video streaming etc |
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| 01:14.58 | ksiomelo` | tauren: do you mean, files? or real time video? |
| 01:15.20 | tauren | ksiomelo`: real time video would be best, but I suppose files might work. |
| 01:16.22 | ksiomelo` | this is my intention too, there's a guy who is implementing RTSP for android, and it's definitely not easy |
| 01:16.23 | tauren | also, does anyone know if the android platform has the horsepower to do speech recognition? |
| 01:17.02 | tauren | ksiomelo`: where do i find out more about what this guy is doing? |
| 01:17.27 | tauren | http://groups.google.com/group/android-challenge/browse_thread/thread/f9535ee9df9c6be6/73a4a8d5e9135ee6?lnk=raot |
| 01:17.32 | tauren | is that what you are referring to? |
| 01:17.43 | ksiomelo` | hmm.. I really dont know what would be the device specs., but for the challenge, running on a computer is fine |
| 01:17.57 | tauren | ok, good to know. |
| 01:18.19 | tauren | my other though is to stream audio to a web service, to the speech recognition there, and send back results. |
| 01:18.28 | tauren | s/though/thought/ |
| 01:20.11 | ksiomelo` | tauren: you should try send a file first, rather than trying the real time streaming |
| 01:20.26 | tauren | yes, of course! ;) |
| 01:22.03 | ksiomelo` | the guy implementing rtsp for android is from my group, we will upload de code to the community as soon as we finish! |
| 01:22.20 | tauren | ahh, that's cool. |
| 01:22.41 | tauren | i look forward to seeing what your group has done. good luck! |
| 01:22.49 | ksiomelo` | but I am not sure if it will be fine until the challenge deadline |
| 01:22.59 | ksiomelo` | thanks :) |
| 01:24.02 | tauren | ksiomelo`: so are the client-server headaches you refer to mostly when dealing with larger objects? |
| 01:24.21 | tauren | or is any client-server communication a headache? |
| 01:25.56 | ksiomelo` | yes, larger objects takes too much processing time |
| 01:26.06 | ksiomelo` | i am using the xml-rpc for android |
| 01:26.16 | ksiomelo` | someone in the group has posted |
| 01:26.38 | ksiomelo` | it works fine |
| 01:26.54 | tauren | ok, good to know. |
| 01:27.15 | ksiomelo` | but passing just a small image through it takes much more time than the normal |
| 01:27.24 | tauren | One more thing. If I really want to jumpstart into this fast, what are the resources I should look at most? |
| 01:27.28 | tauren | the android forums? |
| 01:27.54 | tauren | the google android site obviously, but are there other websites? |
| 01:27.56 | chomchom | get used to searching the groups and anddev.org |
| 01:28.09 | tauren | anddev.org... ok, didn't know about that one. thanks! |
| 01:28.17 | ksiomelo` | yes, definitely |
| 01:28.18 | f00f- | RTSP is easy; it's RTP that's the tough one :P |
| 01:29.49 | ksiomelo` | dont know what does "tough" mean.. looking in a english-portuguese dictionary.. |
| 01:29.57 | ksiomelo` | ehehe |
| 01:30.06 | f00f- | difficult to do UDP |
| 01:30.07 | f00f- | demuxing |
| 01:30.09 | f00f- | packetization |
| 01:30.09 | f00f- | etc |
| 01:30.29 | ksiomelo` | oh yes |
| 01:30.32 | ksiomelo` | right |
| 01:31.28 | tauren | thanks guys, you've been very helpful. |
| 01:31.42 | tauren | i'm encouraged to jump in and see what i can accomplish by the 14th |
| 01:31.48 | f00f- | i'm doing LBS |
| 01:31.57 | chomchom | go! go! go! |
| 01:31.58 | tauren | of course, my taxes might not get done on time if I do that! |
| 01:32.00 | f00f- | i was thinking of making an iPhone-like SMS app |
| 01:32.04 | chomchom | make something interesting |
| 01:32.19 | chomchom | taxes shmaxes |
| 01:32.20 | f00f- | but i need to finish my LBS one first |
| 01:33.15 | tauren | i have many ideas... just have to decide which one to concentrate on. |
| 01:33.22 | tauren | with so little time. |
| 01:36.54 | f00f- | pick the most unique novel idea. |
| 01:37.12 | tauren | oh yeah, one more question... so there is no bluetooth support yet, right? |
| 01:37.25 | f00f- | there is |
| 01:37.26 | f00f- | org.bluez.* |
| 01:37.34 | f00f- | havent tried myself |
| 01:38.02 | tauren | ok. i'll look into that. does that mean you could use an actual bluetooth device with the emulator? |
| 01:38.08 | tauren | or would it just be emulating a device? |
| 01:38.28 | chomchom | pick the idea you can best implement in the time. A unique novel idea is otherwise known as a fad without a great implementation. Rather make something useful. |
| 01:38.49 | tauren | chomchom: good point |
| 01:39.15 | tauren | is there a text-to-speech implementation that you are aware of? can the emulator product sound? |
| 01:39.24 | tauren | s/product/produce/ |
| 01:40.59 | f00f- | no TTS |
| 01:41.04 | f00f- | check some open-source one |
| 01:41.09 | f00f- | like festival |
| 01:41.17 | f00f- | but java-only is a limitation in performance |
| 01:41.35 | f00f- | tauren: i bet you can use a bluetooth socket on the host |
| 01:41.45 | f00f- | as in a tty proxy or similar |
| 01:41.46 | f00f- | interface |
| 01:41.53 | tauren | f00f- that would be cool if i could |
| 01:43.19 | f00f- | tauren: http://freetts.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 01:43.45 | tauren | f00f-: cool, thanks. |
| 01:44.25 | tauren | can the emulator produce sound? |
| 01:44.33 | tauren | Like playing an audio file? |
| 01:44.43 | zhobbs | tauren: yeah |
| 01:44.46 | f00f- | yes |
| 01:44.59 | tauren | ok, good. i asumed it could. |
| 01:45.13 | tauren | ok, enough talk. I'll go start messing with it all then. |
| 01:45.26 | tauren | thanks for all your help! |
| 01:47.11 | f00f- | aight bro |
| 01:47.19 | f00f- | good luck, but don't win. |
| 01:47.32 | tauren | ;P |
| 01:48.04 | tauren | i'm sure i won't... |
| 01:48.18 | chomchom | No win! |
| 01:48.34 | tauren | but the next challenge i will! |
| 01:48.38 | tauren | ;) |
| 01:48.50 | chomchom | No, this one, win this one! |
| 01:49.45 | chomchom | I'm sure f00f's mighty app can stand to the competition |
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| 01:49.54 | tauren | well, we'll just see. i'm sure all you that have been working with it for months now deserve to win |
| 01:50.47 | chomchom | Well hard work will 'win' no matter what. So we're all going to win /cue cheese* |
| 01:51.05 | tauren | are there any stats on how many apps have been submitted? |
| 01:51.13 | chomchom | No sadly |
| 01:51.30 | f00f- | chomchom: i am very excited about my app. |
| 01:51.32 | chomchom | I'm sure google will be hot off the mark come the submission date |
| 01:51.33 | f00f- | i need to simplify though |
| 01:51.37 | f00f- | 6 icons on main screen |
| 01:51.38 | tauren | figures. i wouldn't expect them to share that. |
| 01:51.41 | chomchom | f00f: me too |
| 01:52.47 | tauren | crap. gotta run and get my daughter. chat later guys. thanks again! |
| 01:52.56 | chomchom | bye |
| 01:53.12 | f00f- | ciao |
| 01:53.55 | chomchom | did you see Dan_U's ? hes got a slick interface |
| 01:56.17 | f00f- | his website? |
| 01:56.26 | f00f- | it was ugly, but got any screenshots of the android UI ? |
| 01:56.41 | chomchom | no, his application. you can download the application |
| 01:56.50 | f00f- | mind taking sceens for me |
| 01:56.56 | f00f- | i dont have an emulator on this machine |
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| 01:57.46 | chomchom | gah, guess you'll have to wait until you get home and download it to give it a whirl |
| 01:57.54 | f00f- | hahaha |
| 01:57.56 | f00f- | come on bro |
| 01:57.59 | f00f- | i'd do the same for you |
| 01:58.06 | chomchom | http://uler3161.freeweb7.com/athena/help.php |
| 01:58.13 | chomchom | screenies at the bottom |
| 01:58.30 | f00f- | thx |
| 02:00.13 | f00f- | nice |
| 02:00.16 | f00f- | wonderful |
| 02:00.31 | chomchom | 'wonderful' :) |
| 02:00.45 | f00f- | has some flaws, but a nice concept, i like the alerts |
| 02:00.46 | zhobbs | chomchom: are you and Dan U teamed up? |
| 02:00.57 | f00f- | definitely best i've seen to date |
| 02:01.09 | chomchom | no, I don't know the guy apart from him being in this room |
| 02:02.11 | zhobbs | is he giving you hosting or are you the author traveldroid, hey taxi, etc? |
| 02:02.30 | chomchom | ! heh |
| 02:02.36 | zhobbs | oh wait, are you the author of Athena? |
| 02:03.06 | chomchom | no, just like to see credit going where its due. I don't know him they are all strictly his work |
| 02:03.11 | zhobbs | hehe, sorry was confused for a sec :) |
| 02:06.05 | zhobbs | Dan U seems to be keeping busy with all these apps |
| 02:06.20 | f00f- | how many apps does he have? |
| 02:06.44 | zhobbs | 4 I guess |
| 02:06.49 | f00f- | any good |
| 02:06.53 | f00f- | athena chowns so far |
| 02:07.18 | zhobbs | there are links to them all at the bottom of this page: http://uler3161.freeweb7.com/traveloid/index.php |
| 02:07.25 | chomchom | 5 athena, hey taxi!, findroid, traveloid and datelocate |
| 02:07.37 | chomchom | I like the hey taxi idea |
| 02:09.50 | f00f- | yeah |
| 02:10.03 | f00f- | probably wouldn't work as a business model though |
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| 02:10.14 | f00f- | few taxis are independent anymore |
| 02:10.32 | chomchom | depends where you live |
| 02:10.45 | f00f- | tru |
| 02:13.45 | ksiomelo` | good concepts indeed, the basic infrastructure was the same for all apps |
| 02:14.02 | f00f- | yeah i saw |
| 02:14.03 | f00f- | :P |
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| 02:16.21 | ksiomelo` | I wouldn't mind if I get the 10th place in the challenge :P |
| 02:16.50 | jasta | 10th place is $300K, so, who would? |
| 02:17.28 | ksiomelo` | hhehehe (I was being ironic ;)) |
| 02:17.42 | jasta | I don't mean to seem pretentious, but I strongly doubt that anyone just "slapping together" a project will win the challenge. |
| 02:17.49 | f00f- | it's not 300k |
| 02:17.54 | f00f- | you mean Phase II |
| 02:17.57 | f00f- | for 275k ? |
| 02:17.57 | ksiomelo` | 275 |
| 02:17.58 | jasta | If you haven't been developing for months, and aren't passionate about your project, you just won't win. |
| 02:18.03 | f00f- | unless they upped it :> |
| 02:18.05 | jasta | f00f-: It's $275K + the $25K qualifying prize. |
| 02:18.12 | f00f- | righto |
| 02:18.25 | jasta | Thus, if you are in the top 10 you will receive $300K. |
| 02:18.43 | f00f- | makes sense |
| 02:18.52 | zhobbs | I don't think there will be an order 1-10, it'll just be a group of 10 apps |
| 02:19.03 | f00f- | yea |
| 02:19.14 | jasta | zhobbs: well, maybe not that they release to us |
| 02:19.17 | jasta | but it will exist. |
| 02:19.33 | zhobbs | the way it's judged is that 10 judges get 5 apps each and they pick their number one ($275k) and their number two ($175 I think?) |
| 02:19.51 | f00f- | oh |
| 02:19.56 | jasta | how do you know that? |
| 02:19.59 | zhobbs | I think that's how I remember it working when I read the T&S |
| 02:20.09 | f00f- | zhobbs has a (wo)man on the inside |
| 02:20.26 | jasta | btw, that would seem like very unfair judging to me. |
| 02:20.42 | zhobbs | yeah, you could get in a weak group... |
| 02:20.49 | jasta | since you're at the whim of just 1 judge, and not the full 10. it's only 50 apps, after all. it would not take much for each of them to weigh in. |
| 02:20.51 | zhobbs | let me look at the terms again to see if I got it right |
| 02:21.02 | jasta | i don't believe it says that anywhere, however. |
| 02:21.22 | f00f- | but |
| 02:21.23 | f00f- | remember |
| 02:21.32 | f00f- | we have time to improve between 1st and 2nd prizes? |
| 02:21.36 | f00f- | as in 'phases' |
| 02:21.37 | zhobbs | nope, I'm wrong |
| 02:21.39 | f00f- | we get like a month |
| 02:21.43 | f00f- | to submit for improvement? |
| 02:21.51 | jasta | more than a month, actually. it's apr 14 to jun like 30th or something. |
| 02:21.54 | zhobbs | not sure where I dreamed that up |
| 02:22.10 | f00f- | right |
| 02:22.10 | f00f- | so |
| 02:22.12 | f00f- | what is the point |
| 02:22.16 | zhobbs | "Using these criteria, the Judges will evaluate each Entry and give it a score. The ten (10) Entries with the highest scores will be determined to be a potential "First Place Entries" and will receive the First Place Grants described below. The ten (10) Entries with the next highest scores will be deemed to be the potential "Second Place Entries" and will receive the Second Place Grants described below." |
| 02:22.18 | jasta | what is the point of what? |
| 02:22.22 | f00f- | just say waht we will improve? |
| 02:22.26 | f00f- | 1 month ain't enough time |
| 02:22.54 | jasta | it's 90 days, and that is enough time to take a somewhat rough app and polish it into something nicer. |
| 02:23.11 | jasta | it is not, however, enough time to take a miserably incomplete app and transform it into quality. |
| 02:23.12 | f00f- | might need some good polish then |
| 02:23.35 | jasta | i think you all are assuming that Google is willing to accept barely functional "proof-of-concept" apps for the qualifying round. |
| 02:23.40 | jasta | I don't see that happening at all. |
| 02:23.55 | jasta | Especially if you look at the judging criteria. Proof of concept does not score high on that list. |
| 02:24.00 | f00f- | i didn't say that |
| 02:24.00 | zhobbs | they won't if they don't have to...I would think there might be 50 polished apps |
| 02:24.03 | f00f- | PoC's will die |
| 02:24.11 | jasta | PoC? |
| 02:24.18 | f00f- | there *will* be 50 working apps/prototypes |
| 02:24.29 | jasta | oh, proof-of-concept, yes. |
| 02:24.31 | f00f- | i mean, even jasta's app might make it into the 50 :) |
| 02:24.51 | zhobbs | hehe |
| 02:24.56 | jasta | why would you say that? |
| 02:25.28 | f00f- | i've seen your knowledge; applied to an app it might even win :D |
| 02:26.10 | jasta | you seemed to suggest that jokingly. |
| 02:26.39 | zhobbs | will anyone go out on a limb and say their app will def. place? |
| 02:27.07 | f00f- | i will |
| 02:27.12 | f00f- | my app will place |
| 02:27.23 | jasta | zhobbs: If they did, it proves to us their hubris, nothing more. |
| 02:27.36 | f00f- | or maybe a novel concept/idea :) |
| 02:28.03 | chomchom | f00f is like, redefining computing |
| 02:28.15 | jasta | But how does that help you rule out the possibility that it does not impress the judges, or that it is not in the top 50 according to their criteria? |
| 02:28.17 | f00f- | well, let's not get ahead of ourselves now :) |
| 02:28.21 | chomchom | you'll pick up the phone and you mind will just like, explode |
| 02:28.30 | f00f- | welll i have their 4 criteria in mind |
| 02:28.36 | f00f- | code freeze on 1st april |
| 02:28.40 | f00f- | so i'm working hard until then |
| 02:28.57 | f00f- | only stopship fixes then |
| 02:29.10 | jasta | f00f-: What is your full name? |
| 02:30.29 | zhobbs | My app is in QA right now |
| 02:30.43 | zhobbs | well one of them |
| 02:30.55 | jasta | well, dinner time. |
| 02:30.55 | f00f- | jasta: i'd like to remain anonymous for now, if you don't mind. |
| 02:31.00 | f00f- | enjoy :) |
| 02:31.13 | jasta | I'm curious to prove that f00f- doesn't win, but I cannot do so unless we have his name :) |
| 02:32.22 | f00f- | gimme a few |
| 02:32.24 | f00f- | & |
| 02:32.45 | zhobbs | he'll be in here bragging if he wins :) |
| 02:34.03 | chomchom | man, if I even get a whiff of a mention you'll hear me from where ever you are sitting; be you in your favorite winter retreat, or at your gran's eating biscuits. |
| 02:38.21 | chomchom | even if its from a blog I have to start in order to get a mention. |
| 02:49.53 | jasta | zhobbs: I know, but even then we wouldn't be able to verify he is who he says he is :) |
| 03:04.48 | chomchom | night guys. |
| 03:06.15 | zhobbs | cya |
| 03:06.49 | chomchom | crawls into bed cringing at the thought of ironing his shirt at 8:40am |
| 03:10.17 | jasta | libsoup's documentation seems to leave a big hole where "tidying up" should go. |
| 03:10.34 | jasta | apparently i'm not closing HTTP connections when i'm done with them, but the documentation actually skips the section of cleanup entirely |
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| 03:33.05 | f00f- | hahaha chomchom |
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| 03:53.57 | muthu | mornin hoopy frood |
| 04:08.54 | jasta | hey muthu |
| 04:10.31 | muthu | hi jasta |
| 04:11.06 | muthu | i'm so excited about android.. i'm all set to grab a few domains |
| 04:11.29 | jasta | hehe, ok? |
| 04:12.17 | muthu | registered androidrocks.com |
| 04:21.11 | zhobbs | muthu: I need some help on HelloAndroid.com :) |
| 04:21.23 | muthu | tell me zhobbs |
| 04:21.59 | zhobbs | I don't like new posting...so if you are good at writing and it would be something you'd be interested in I'm looking for some hlep |
| 04:22.05 | zhobbs | news posting* |
| 04:22.13 | muthu | sure |
| 04:22.26 | muthu | i'll post some |
| 04:23.41 | zhobbs | muthu: I pm'd you |
| 04:24.06 | muthu | did you see my reply? |
| 04:24.11 | zhobbs | nope |
| 04:24.13 | zhobbs | strange |
| 04:24.17 | muthu | hmmm |
| 04:24.21 | jasta | you have to registry on freenode to send privmsg |
| 04:24.54 | muthu | zhobbs.. send me your gmail on pm.. i'll add to buddies |
| 04:24.55 | zhobbs | muthu: means you probably need to /msg NickServ |
| 04:25.24 | zhobbs | sent |
| 04:25.34 | muthu | ok |
| 04:28.15 | muthu | did you get email? |
| 04:28.21 | zhobbs | oh you emailed? |
| 04:28.28 | zhobbs | I thought you were going to Gtalk me |
| 04:28.34 | muthu | i did both |
| 04:28.39 | zhobbs | hmm |
| 04:28.52 | muthu | oh.. the email failed |
| 04:29.04 | zhobbs | yeah, that's not an email account, just gtalk |
| 04:29.27 | zhobbs | if you wanna email me it's hobbs@helloandroid.com |
| 04:29.31 | muthu | ok add me: muthu.ramadoss@gmail.com |
| 04:43.59 | muthu | finally found a domain for my next gen kick ass mobile search engine |
| 04:44.21 | B0jangles | nextgenkickassmobile.com? |
| 04:46.04 | muthu | ooh i like it |
| 04:46.24 | muthu | mine is: oohiwantit.com |
| 04:46.26 | jasta | zhobbs: you picked up helloandroid.com as your main e-mail domain? |
| 04:46.49 | zhobbs | jasta: for android related things yeah, but my main is zach@zta-tech.com |
| 04:47.49 | zhobbs | why you ask? |
| 04:48.13 | jasta | just thought that was weird at first |
| 04:49.08 | muthu | ok here it is: tell me if you folks like it |
| 04:49.19 | muthu | mobeegal.com |
| 04:52.40 | muthu | no one like it eh? |
| 04:52.50 | zhobbs | it's a search site? |
| 04:52.57 | muthu | that's the plan |
| 04:53.08 | muthu | we are building a mobile search engine |
| 04:53.13 | jasta | it uhh, looks like a squatted domain |
| 04:53.21 | muthu | registred today |
| 04:53.46 | muthu | the product will hit only later this year |
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| 04:58.52 | Kraln | mobeegal? |
| 04:59.02 | Kraln | fail for not following tenets of english |
| 04:59.02 | muthu | yup |
| 04:59.09 | muthu | ha ha |
| 04:59.12 | Kraln | mobigal = win |
| 04:59.23 | Kraln | mobeegal = fail |
| 04:59.25 | muthu | someone took it already |
| 04:59.38 | jasta | it sounds like a weird combination of mobile and beagle, the freedesktop.org search tool |
| 04:59.46 | muthu | oh yeah! |
| 04:59.58 | jasta | ...which nobody uses. |
| 05:00.03 | muthu | lol |
| 05:00.19 | muthu | i thought about a lot of names |
| 05:00.28 | muthu | finally settled on this even though mobigal was taken |
| 05:00.50 | muthu | and now in fact i like this more |
| 05:00.54 | Kraln | how about mowbli? |
| 05:01.11 | muthu | is it available.. |
| 05:01.20 | jasta | what does the domain name matter? |
| 05:01.30 | muthu | it matters a bit |
| 05:01.31 | Kraln | I like to use psychicwhois when I'm coming up with domains |
| 05:01.34 | jasta | google.com is a stupid name, frankly. |
| 05:01.38 | jasta | and look how well it did. |
| 05:01.48 | Kraln | jasta: but it follows the tenets of english |
| 05:01.50 | jasta | microsoft is also a stupid name. |
| 05:01.51 | Kraln | gugle.com would have failed |
| 05:01.57 | muthu | google.. is a great name for search |
| 05:01.57 | jasta | Kraln: there's gogle.com :) |
| 05:01.58 | Kraln | as would have gewgle |
| 05:02.28 | jasta | muthu: yahoo.com too. that is pretty stupid |
| 05:02.42 | muthu | yahoo, google etc., are great for search |
| 05:02.42 | Kraln | kraln.com is pretty stupid |
| 05:02.55 | muthu | msn live sux |
| 05:02.57 | jasta | made even more stupid by the fact that everyone has that lame "yahoo!" sound associated with the search engine. |
| 05:03.11 | muthu | yeah.. its all about the sound |
| 05:03.24 | jasta | and how stupid it is? |
| 05:03.30 | muthu | for search, the sound matters |
| 05:03.38 | jasta | well if that's what you're going for, mobeegal sure does sound stupid |
| 05:03.45 | muthu | yup |
| 05:03.52 | muthu | that's what i was looking for :) |
| 05:03.59 | jasta | and actually, for search, the efficiency and effectiveness of the tool matters. more than the name. |
| 05:04.20 | muthu | oh yeah |
| 05:04.29 | muthu | the story matters |
| 05:04.34 | muthu | as does the props! |
| 05:04.37 | jasta | no, it doesn't. your brain is fried. |
| 05:04.53 | muthu | may be |
| 05:05.14 | muthu | because of the crazy combinations i was working for the name |
| 05:05.26 | Kraln | muthu: have you tried psychic whois? |
| 05:05.32 | muthu | no krain |
| 05:05.35 | muthu | let me check |
| 05:07.34 | muthu | ok.. it gives you the existing domains |
| 05:07.45 | muthu | autocompletion |
| 05:34.55 | jasta | wonders where UTF-8 breaks down in his app |
| 05:35.07 | jasta | server supports it, sqlite3 supports it, meta data format supports it, ... |
| 05:35.10 | jasta | glares at Android |
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| 05:41.33 | niket | Hi, I am new to ANdroid....I want to know what is the command to run andorid app without running from eclipse but just using cmd |
| 05:41.52 | zhobbs | you install it with "adb install <file>" |
| 05:42.01 | zhobbs | then run it from the menu on the emulator |
| 05:42.18 | niket | what would be <file> |
| 05:42.28 | zhobbs | a *.apk file |
| 05:42.35 | niket | ok |
| 05:42.39 | niket | let me try |
| 05:44.13 | niket | where does this apk file form? |
| 05:44.19 | niket | which location |
| 05:45.42 | zhobbs | do you have an apk file? |
| 05:45.52 | niket | ok I got that...I saw in bin |
| 05:45.55 | niket | let me try now |
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| 05:50.07 | jasta | niket: you can also build the apk file using ant or any other build tool youre comfortable with |
| 05:54.20 | sandesh | does anyone know where can i get android phone |
| 05:54.32 | sandesh | i want to run my application on live mobile |
| 05:54.36 | zhobbs | sandesh: nope |
| 05:54.43 | sandesh | y noooooooooooooo |
| 05:54.44 | sandesh | i want |
| 05:54.50 | sandesh | zhobbs |
| 05:54.55 | niket | thanks zhobbs and jasta for instant help...it worked...jasta, which build tool u suggest...is it ant or maven |
| 05:55.10 | sandesh | niket |
| 05:55.13 | sandesh | u know |
| 05:55.21 | jasta | zhobbs: Do you ever have trouble using the Eclipse debugger on Android code? |
| 05:55.36 | jasta | i never am able to make the "Expressions" view work right. everything tells me: |
| 05:55.57 | jasta | "Evaluations must contain either an expression or a block of well-formed statements" |
| 05:56.05 | sandesh | jasta |
| 05:56.08 | sandesh | tell me |
| 05:56.21 | zhobbs | jasta: yeah, I've gotten the expressions box to work |
| 05:56.28 | sandesh | where can i get mobile |
| 05:56.37 | sandesh | android compatible mobile |
| 05:56.38 | jasta | zhobbs: is there some special trick or is my installation somehow messed up? |
| 05:56.51 | zhobbs | is your expression a string? |
| 05:57.08 | jasta | it evaluates to one |
| 05:57.20 | jasta | i just want to see the result of foo.getString("bar") |
| 05:58.09 | zhobbs | jasta: hold on, let me try it again |
| 06:00.51 | jasta | let me test it outside of android... |
| 06:02.11 | zhobbs | jasta: I'm getting the same error, I haven't done it in a long time so maybe it's an issue with the newer sdks? |
| 06:02.26 | zhobbs | but I've done it with android before |
| 06:02.29 | jasta | maybe, i seem to recall doing it with earlier SDKs |
| 06:02.39 | jasta | but i have noticed i cant make it work with M5, but it's all subjective. |
| 06:02.50 | jasta | my memory is all fuzzy about this :) |
| 06:02.58 | jasta | but it is really, really frustrating that i can't make it work :\ |
| 06:03.06 | jasta | i can't use conditional breakpoints because of this |
| 06:04.51 | jasta | sure enough, it works without Android involved |
| 06:05.15 | jasta | that is most uncool |
| 06:05.42 | zhobbs | yep |
| 06:05.45 | jasta | posts an issue |
| 06:06.29 | jasta | which version of m5 do you run? |
| 06:07.16 | jasta | i still run rc14 |
| 06:09.10 | zhobbs | I'm on rx15 |
| 06:09.13 | zhobbs | rc15 |
| 06:10.51 | jasta | sigh, instead of a watch expression i actually have to put an expression in my code and break on its truth path |
| 06:10.57 | jasta | llammmme |
| 06:12.44 | zhobbs | yeah, that's a pain...and you have to do something with it or it will never be evaluated |
| 06:13.24 | jasta | i submitted an issue |
| 06:13.49 | jasta | http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=547 |
| 06:15.22 | jasta | please comment that you are also experiencing this problem :) |
| 06:15.36 | jasta | hopefully that will raise it on their priority list :) |
| 06:16.48 | jasta | come to think of it, i am not able to examine some local variables as well |
| 06:16.56 | jasta | it doesnt show them as having members |
| 06:17.13 | jasta | and that the value is null when it isn't |
| 06:17.26 | jasta | weird, what is going on here |
| 06:17.56 | zhobbs | like I said you have to do something with it or it won't store it |
| 06:18.03 | zhobbs | I've had that happen before |
| 06:18.48 | zhobbs | like if you say "int i = 0; doSomething(i);" and never use i again i will never really be used |
| 06:19.08 | zhobbs | I think it just optimizes it to doSomething(0); |
| 06:19.45 | jasta | yeah im aware of opting out variables, but that is not whats happening here |
| 06:20.00 | zhobbs | I updated the issue btw |
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| 06:20.24 | jasta | thanks |
| 06:33.05 | muthu | Why Android Rocks in India? - http://www.helloandroid.com/node/325 |
| 06:34.09 | zhobbs | hmm |
| 06:35.40 | jasta | lol, that last paragraph makes me laugh |
| 06:36.00 | muthu | good |
| 06:36.03 | jasta | is that your ideal use case? |
| 06:36.04 | muthu | i win!! |
| 06:36.21 | muthu | there's many |
| 06:36.51 | jasta | it speaks volumes about how unlike your culture is to mine :) |
| 06:37.00 | muthu | yes |
| 06:37.22 | f00f- | i like it muthu |
| 06:37.23 | muthu | the gap is wide |
| 06:37.39 | f00f- | i really need to start to think about asian markets in general |
| 06:37.40 | muthu | glad you like it f00f |
| 06:37.55 | muthu | oh great.. |
| 06:37.59 | muthu | that's the whole idea |
| 06:38.08 | muthu | there's tons of potentials outside the grown markets |
| 06:38.22 | f00f- | absolutely. the mobile plays such a larger role in day-to-day things, i think. |
| 06:38.28 | muthu | yup |
| 06:38.39 | muthu | imagine, everyone in india has a mobile |
| 06:38.50 | muthu | from the poorest poor to the rich |
| 06:38.57 | f00f- | and they probably don't just for communication? |
| 06:39.01 | f00f- | +use |
| 06:39.12 | muthu | right now its communication primarily |
| 06:39.36 | muthu | it will change.. when we open up broadband, technology etc., |
| 06:40.27 | muthu | the last paragraph |
| 06:40.43 | muthu | was a result of my conversation with a mobile company |
| 06:41.14 | muthu | so there exists such real use cases in india |
| 06:46.44 | thedaniel` | ha muthu, that's a great article |
| 06:47.01 | muthu | thx daniel |
| 06:55.47 | sandesh | muthu |
| 06:55.56 | sandesh | where can i get android phone |
| 06:56.08 | jasta | sandesh: there is no such thing presently available in the market. try back in 6 months. |
| 06:56.16 | muthu | its coming soon :) |
| 06:56.21 | sandesh | any duplicates |
| 06:56.28 | jasta | whatever you mean, no. |
| 06:56.33 | sandesh | pdas |
| 06:56.36 | sandesh | xdas |
| 06:56.42 | jasta | sandesh: search android-internals |
| 06:57.06 | sandesh | wats internals |
| 06:57.15 | jasta | google that word. |
| 06:57.21 | jasta | android-internals |
| 06:58.18 | tauren | anyone played with droiddraw? |
| 06:58.48 | jasta | yeah, i dont like it |
| 06:58.53 | tauren | just playing with it now. |
| 06:59.04 | jasta | it's not flexible, and will lead to layouts that don't port well. |
| 06:59.11 | tauren | but i can't figure out how to delete something... |
| 06:59.18 | jasta | (which is the problem that plagues nearly every tool of its kind) |
| 06:59.32 | tauren | yeah, not going to spend much time on it. just exploring... |
| 07:04.10 | duey | omg how do i start an activity!!!111111 |
| 07:04.21 | jasta | uhh |
| 07:04.43 | jasta | ...startActivity()? :) |
| 07:04.53 | duey | lol |
| 07:04.59 | duey | that takes an intent |
| 07:05.04 | jasta | yes, it does. |
| 07:05.14 | jasta | and you must use an intent to start an activity. |
| 07:08.54 | jasta | yay, figured out the UTF-8 problem |
| 07:09.28 | jasta | it was at the HTTP layer, due to HttpClient using the encoding charset from the response, when libsyncml at the server did not specify a charset for the response. |
| 07:09.35 | jasta | so HttpClient defaulted to ISO8859-1 |
| 07:18.52 | duey | well that was easy |
| 07:19.01 | jasta | what was? |
| 07:19.06 | duey | creating an activity |
| 07:19.28 | jasta | have you actually not worked with android yet? you seemed like an #android regular. |
| 07:19.41 | duey | ive read the docs a thousand times |
| 07:19.51 | duey | and done single activity stuff |
| 07:19.57 | jasta | and yet had no idea how to perform such a basic task? |
| 07:20.20 | duey | most of my project doesn't involve android |
| 07:20.27 | duey | android is just the gui |
| 07:20.28 | jasta | what's your project? |
| 07:20.37 | duey | photo based ocr and translation |
| 07:20.50 | jasta | oh that's right, i remember that. pretty cool actually. |
| 07:21.23 | jasta | tricky to implement well, though. |
| 07:21.38 | duey | for now its just webservice'd |
| 07:21.42 | jasta | especially on Android, which currently has no camera emulation :) |
| 07:22.07 | f00f- | ADC judges will be testing on HVGA ... |
| 07:22.13 | duey | yeah so all i need to do is create a gui that reads a list of images (as the cameradevice isn't working properly yet) and display a view of translation options and then displays the result |
| 07:22.14 | f00f- | is that a guarantee? |
| 07:22.20 | jasta | i actually had thought about that project a short while ago. are you going to try to overlay the translated text onto the original image? |
| 07:22.25 | jasta | f00f-: Yes, I would say so. |
| 07:22.41 | duey | jasta, maybe not the text |
| 07:22.55 | jasta | that would be very cool ;) |
| 07:22.58 | duey | i still have my doubts if any android phone will be powerful enough |
| 07:23.06 | duey | definately overlaying bounding boxes |
| 07:23.14 | duey | real-time, at least when the camera works |
| 07:23.26 | duey | this will allow the user to get a good angle on the photo |
| 07:23.31 | jasta | i assumed you would be offloading to a server-based work-horse? |
| 07:23.36 | duey | yep |
| 07:23.44 | duey | but ultimate goal is on device |
| 07:23.50 | jasta | so why wouldnt the phone be powerful enough to take and send a picture and receive some text? |
| 07:23.59 | duey | oh right |
| 07:24.08 | duey | thats possible |
| 07:24.13 | duey | but in "realtime" |
| 07:24.22 | duey | as in moving the camera around |
| 07:24.22 | jasta | why would you try to move it to the device? the translation is going to require a separate service surely |
| 07:24.39 | duey | yeah |
| 07:24.48 | duey | this is one of the issues to be sorted out |
| 07:25.09 | duey | but you see, if you are roaming in another country |
| 07:25.17 | duey | you might not have internet access on your phone |
| 07:25.22 | jasta | oh, real-time is probably not going to happen. instead, you might try narrowing down your parameters to get a good read and try to perform very crude, partial analysis on the fly |
| 07:25.28 | jasta | to recommend to the user when the angle on the text "looks" right. |
| 07:25.38 | duey | i can do real time bounding boxes |
| 07:25.49 | duey | that calculation is pretty trivial |
| 07:26.02 | jasta | well i understand the access limitation, but you must appreciate that porting the translation engine to the phone just will never work. |
| 07:26.11 | jasta | translation databases are *enormous* |
| 07:26.24 | duey | yeah, i am going to be using a translation webservice for now |
| 07:26.32 | duey | but i was more thinking a crude translation database |
| 07:26.44 | jasta | but i just can't conceive of being able to move away from that even in the next decade. |
| 07:26.50 | duey | indeed |
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| 07:27.16 | jasta | perhaps the better thing to happen is for wireless carriers to pull their head out of their ass and offer better roaming features for tourists :) |
| 07:27.23 | duey | yep |
| 07:27.50 | jasta | im going to Ireland in September and am actually hoping to use my cell phone there. it's quad-band, and maybe there is some way to get a temp sim card or something, I don't know |
| 07:28.22 | rwhitby | jasta: just buy a cheap pre-paid gsm phone there, and throw away the phone bit. |
| 07:28.34 | duey | well i assume if you live in europe you can travel around on the same carrier |
| 07:28.42 | jasta | duey: i do not, i live in the states. |
| 07:29.04 | rwhitby | jasta: that's what I do when I travel from Australia to the states. |
| 07:29.07 | duey | maybe you could travel to canada and translate some french ;) |
| 07:29.32 | jasta | i've never been to the french part of canada. the best provinces are English speaking anyway :) |
| 07:29.52 | f00f- | buying a local SIM card is cheaper if you're going to make a few calls regularly |
| 07:30.10 | f00f- | international roaming with your US carrier will be cheaper if you only intend to make a few minutes worth of calls total. |
| 07:30.13 | jasta | i'm really hoping to have data access while i'm there, for google maps. |
| 07:30.17 | jasta | but i dont know how expensive that will be |
| 07:30.46 | duey | come to nz, you can get prepay data access for the cheap fee of $10/mb |
| 07:30.57 | jasta | lol |
| 07:31.01 | jasta | insane :) |
| 07:31.02 | duey | serious |
| 07:31.08 | duey | load up google |
| 07:31.12 | duey | "oh shit there goes $1" |
| 07:31.31 | thedaniel` | my theory on that is that packets are sent from japan over a single copper wire |
| 07:31.38 | jasta | anyway folks, i gotta retire for the night |
| 07:31.42 | duey | cya |
| 07:31.47 | zhobbs | good night |
| 07:31.52 | thedaniel` | or fired across the pacific to the switches in LA with a giant cannot |
| 07:31.53 | jasta | goin to tahoe tomorrow too, so you wont be seeing much of me until monday :) |
| 07:31.54 | thedaniel` | *cannon |
| 07:34.22 | f00f- | enjoy! |
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| 08:15.31 | thedaniel` | i suppose i'd be pushing my luck to hope there's someone in here that knows what permission I need to set to create ContactMethods |
| 08:27.34 | muthu | daniel: if there's permission to be set, it would be listed in docs |
| 08:27.44 | muthu | there's only read/write contacts |
| 08:28.18 | thedaniel` | muthu: so contactmethod is off limits? |
| 08:30.19 | muthu | guess so |
| 08:30.25 | thedaniel` | muthu: this is what i do - http://pastebin.com/d5674d98b - and it returns null (mCR is a contentresolver) |
| 08:30.40 | muthu | let me check |
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| 08:39.39 | muthu | where is ContactMethods? |
| 08:39.44 | muthu | defined that is |
| 08:40.57 | thedaniel` | muthu: it is in android.provider.Contacts.People.ContactMethods |
| 08:43.58 | muthu | must be permission issue.. probably they haven't opened it up yet |
| 08:44.18 | thedaniel` | muthu: that is what i feared |
| 08:44.30 | muthu | post it to the group.. you might get confirmation |
| 08:44.31 | thedaniel` | i will probably just replicate that table in my app's db then |
| 08:44.49 | thedaniel` | muthu: i'd be the third one to discuss contactmethod |
| 08:44.55 | thedaniel` | muthu: and none of the others got a reply either X{ |
| 08:44.56 | thedaniel` | er |
| 08:44.57 | thedaniel` | XP |
| 08:45.10 | muthu | hmmm.. strange |
| 08:46.09 | thedaniel` | muthu: not so strange, i've often found that issues i encounter have been ignored on the list |
| 08:46.37 | muthu | then may be it works? |
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| 10:55.38 | zombi | how to get android prototype............to test the applications live |
| 10:55.43 | zombi | plz help |
| 11:00.20 | davidw | 1) get a job at Google |
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| 11:03.17 | zombi | any other means |
| 11:03.25 | sandesh | zombi |
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| 11:04.36 | davidw | zombi, work for one of the companies building android phones |
| 11:04.48 | davidw | or 3) hack a device to run android |
| 11:05.00 | sandesh | davidw |
| 11:05.13 | zombi | any other ways i can get tht device |
| 11:05.36 | sandesh | davidw wher t get device |
| 11:05.41 | sandesh | which device |
| 11:05.55 | sandesh | any duplicates where android application runs |
| 11:06.27 | sandesh | davidw hack a device u mean ? |
| 11:08.52 | zombi | sandesh even i want the same thing wht u want |
| 11:09.04 | zombi | android prototype |
| 11:09.15 | sandesh | ya device tht runs my application |
| 11:09.18 | sandesh | i wanna test |
| 11:09.25 | zombi | even me |
| 11:09.39 | sandesh | so where to get |
| 11:09.48 | zombi | tht wht i asked |
| 11:09.49 | sandesh | heard of any duplicates |
| 11:09.53 | sandesh | ? |
| 11:09.59 | zombi | wht duplicates |
| 11:09.59 | sandesh | wat david is saying |
| 11:10.14 | sandesh | hack a device? |
| 11:10.19 | sandesh | wht is he saying |
| 11:10.29 | zombi | he is like work for google ,hack device ,.............. |
| 11:10.38 | zombi | wht r u plannin to do |
| 11:10.56 | sandesh | i want to run my project |
| 11:11.06 | zombi | i am about to send my resume to google |
| 11:11.39 | sandesh | so can google provide |
| 11:11.39 | sandesh | ? |
| 11:12.11 | sandesh | i m a student |
| 11:12.16 | zombi | ya why not its their product |
| 11:12.26 | sandesh | n wanna give live demo to college |
| 11:12.32 | sandesh | ya i know |
| 11:12.33 | zombi | me too |
| 11:12.45 | sandesh | ur from |
| 11:12.50 | sandesh | where r u |
| 11:13.17 | zombi | asia |
| 11:13.25 | sandesh | where in |
| 11:13.28 | sandesh | i m in india |
| 11:13.53 | zombi | k tell me u got any break through in launching ur app in android |
| 11:14.05 | sandesh | ya |
| 11:14.08 | sandesh | wat abt |
| 11:14.09 | sandesh | u |
| 11:14.13 | sandesh | wat r u doing |
| 11:14.16 | sandesh | wat project |
| 11:14.32 | zombi | gui fr android |
| 11:14.52 | sandesh | ok |
| 11:15.01 | sandesh | so its working on emulator |
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| 11:33.56 | zombi | sandesh chk this link http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080212.wgtandroid0212/BNStory/PersonalTech/home |
| 11:34.31 | sandesh | zombi whts tht |
| 11:34.38 | zombi | chk tht out bro |
| 11:35.30 | sandesh | ya |
| 11:36.17 | zombi | u got any suggestion how t o go about it |
| 11:37.01 | sandesh | na |
| 11:37.39 | sandesh | it was in feb 11 |
| 11:37.43 | sandesh | exhibition |
| 11:38.33 | sandesh | zombi |
| 11:40.20 | zombi | ya |
| 11:40.32 | zombi | any other later news u have |
| 11:40.38 | zombi | thn send me |
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| 13:36.38 | mumrah | is this the chan for Google's mobile OS? |
| 13:36.50 | muthu | yes |
| 13:37.27 | mumrah | what is the possibility that android will be able to be loaded onto ____ device? |
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| 13:42.01 | mumrah | basically, i'd really love to see android on my samsung i617 |
| 13:46.44 | muthu | its coming soon |
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| 16:16.18 | donomo | looks around for lion-o |
| 16:17.54 | poffy` | hey muthu, did you get that email of yours confirmed yet? |
| 16:26.37 | donomo | any new hardware gossip? the HTC Dream rumor is getting old. |
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| 16:39.15 | jasta_ | donomo: yeah, quite a bit of new gossip |
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| 16:39.27 | jasta_ | Android is scheduled to release the first handset at the end of April now. |
| 16:39.33 | B0jangles | ! |
| 16:39.40 | jasta_ | no, i'm kidding. just wanted to start rumors. |
| 16:39.40 | B0jangles | I thought nothing was expected until 2008 |
| 16:39.43 | B0jangles | oh |
| 16:39.46 | B0jangles | lol |
| 16:39.52 | B0jangles | man, that would be a buggy handset |
| 16:39.58 | jasta | yeah, no kidding ;0 |
| 16:40.22 | B0jangles | s/2008/2009 |
| 16:40.24 | muthu | 5 more days.. |
| 16:40.32 | B0jangles | until? |
| 16:40.32 | jasta | muthu: 5? |
| 16:40.44 | muthu | for the next release |
| 16:40.54 | B0jangles | there's a next release? |
| 16:40.58 | muthu | yes |
| 16:41.04 | B0jangles | how significant? |
| 16:41.14 | B0jangles | it's not as major as m3 to m5, I hope |
| 16:41.33 | B0jangles | completely redesigning my interface wasn't fun |
| 16:41.39 | mike1o | I though it was coming out on wednesday |
| 16:41.55 | davidw | hrmm.... |
| 16:42.10 | davidw | mike1o, next Tuesday |
| 16:42.11 | muthu | tuesday |
| 16:42.20 | mike1o | ok |
| 16:42.26 | jasta | where are you guys getting this info? |
| 16:42.35 | jasta | because i gotta admit, i was tryingt o start that rumor too :) |
| 16:42.36 | davidw | jasta, you missed a great conversation in AOLBonics |
| 16:42.45 | jasta | what? |
| 16:43.19 | muthu | did i not tell you about the email? |
| 16:43.30 | jasta | no? |
| 16:43.32 | muthu | got it yesterday, from one of the google folks |
| 16:43.41 | jasta | which one? why? |
| 16:43.49 | muthu | about a major functionality in the next release |
| 16:44.02 | jasta | why did you get it? |
| 16:44.07 | muthu | initially i thought it was FLASH |
| 16:44.14 | davidw | oh I got one too, Dan says my phone should show up in a few weeks, they ship next Tuesday to selected developers |
| 16:44.21 | muthu | yes david |
| 16:44.25 | muthu | you are right |
| 16:44.45 | muthu | jasta: i'm surprise you didn't get one |
| 16:44.58 | davidw | "phone" - it's a development device, so it's nothing you'd want to carry around to look cool with like an iphone |
| 16:45.51 | jasta | oh you guys suck |
| 16:46.00 | davidw | still though, it'll be nice to run it on real hardware |
| 16:46.46 | jasta | but seriously, are there real substantiated rumors that a new SDK is coming out soon? |
| 16:46.47 | muthu | but i don't believe about the promised functionality |
| 16:47.05 | muthu | SDK is out, next tuesday |
| 16:47.16 | jasta | i don't believe you now :) |
| 16:47.16 | muthu | with 1 BIG feature |
| 16:47.41 | B0jangles | I hope it's smell-o-vision |
| 16:48.06 | jasta | btw, i haven't seen romain in here in a while. |
| 16:48.11 | jasta | i wonder if he got sick of us ;) |
| 16:48.20 | muthu | he's working on the release |
| 16:49.01 | davidw | more likely his boss got sick of us;-) |
| 16:49.14 | jasta | hehe, yeah |
| 16:49.52 | B0jangles | I was wondering if they were here in any official capacity, or just hanging out... |
| 16:50.13 | jasta | i'm pretty sure it was officially sanctioned that they were here |
| 16:50.14 | davidw | just hanging out |
| 16:50.19 | B0jangles | lol |
| 16:50.36 | davidw | sanctioned, allowed... I'm sure of it |
| 16:51.11 | jasta | and Romain especially was extremely helpful, which I'm sure all of the developers are encouraged toward. |
| 16:51.40 | jasta | and many of them are officially monitoring android-dev, so...IRC is not a big stretch. |
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| 17:22.11 | morrildl | jasta: romain is traveling out of the country this week |
| 17:33.16 | jasta | oh, damn |
| 17:33.25 | jasta | i thought we were getting a release :) |
| 17:34.50 | zhobbs | I've been wondering where he's been |
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| 17:49.12 | morrildl | heh |
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| 19:30.55 | taure1 | i've read conflicting reports in the forums of the audio recording capabilities of the emulator. Does anyone know if I can record audio to a file for sure? |
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| 20:54.51 | acsia | hello |
| 20:55.04 | acsia | I am back! |
| 20:56.32 | acsia | anybody managed to pass a bitmap via a bundle? |
| 21:01.08 | f00f- | create a bitmap |
| 21:01.12 | f00f- | maybe using a BitmapFactory |
| 21:01.15 | f00f- | and just pass the ref |
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| 21:14.23 | zhobbs | acsia: Bitmap is parecelable |
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| 23:31.53 | jasta | hmm, every 9 patch i create seems to come out looking weird and stretched :\ |
| 23:32.09 | jasta | even when i think i am intentionally avoiding that |
| 23:43.12 | f00f- | jasta: do you know if i can use 9 patches as map overlays? |
| 23:43.17 | f00f- | as in, stretch them |
| 23:45.29 | jasta | no, i dont know |
| 23:47.30 | acsia | zhobbs: I get a null pointer when I try to extract the Bitmap and the bundle is empty |
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