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| 02:20.16 | zhobbs | wonder if Google is going to post the apk's with the winners... |
| 02:20.31 | zhobbs | cause some commercial apps might not appreciate that... |
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| 03:44.03 | jjt009 | ayo to all |
| 03:44.05 | jjt009 | anyone home? |
| 03:44.27 | jjt009 | hellllllllooooooooo? |
| 03:44.33 | jjt009 | anyone here? |
| 03:44.37 | jjt009 | zhobbs? |
| 03:47.46 | jjt009 | holy moly |
| 04:08.39 | jjt009 | anyone home? |
| 04:08.41 | jjt009 | anyone? |
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| 07:43.59 | raidfive | does anyone know how "dip" translates into pixels? |
| 07:44.21 | raidfive | I noticed a lot of the xml ui examples use dip but when setting margins/padding in java you can only specify pixels |
| 07:45.14 | raidfive | or can you set dip values in Java? |
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| 09:25.45 | [AD]Turbo | hi there |
| 09:37.25 | jerkface03 | hi turbo |
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| 13:49.09 | rhett | hey guys |
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| 16:33.34 | acsia | I have a Uri question, what is the best way to know if it is a item or dir programmatically? |
| 16:34.53 | acsia | something like mUri.isItem? or mUri.isDir? |
| 16:35.19 | acsia | it can be done while comparing the Uri itself but isn't there a better way? |
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| 17:43.05 | acsia | anybody out there? |
| 17:51.38 | acsia | Oh no! I thing I am all alone... waking up in my bed this morning... wondering around my room, no one on IRC... this must be 28 days later... did I miss the deadline!!! |
| 17:52.04 | meus | hehe :) |
| 17:53.10 | acsia | aaa thx meus, I thought I felt craziness creeping up my brain |
| 17:53.50 | meus | hehe |
| 17:54.59 | chomchom | it has been pretty quiet in here this weekend. Everyone must have their heads down in the code. |
| 17:55.12 | acsia | i noticed that yes |
| 17:55.20 | acsia | 2 weeks!! |
| 17:55.25 | meus | ah the deadline is 31 march? |
| 17:55.32 | acsia | 14th |
| 17:55.44 | meus | ah ok :) |
| 17:56.39 | acsia | has anybody played with the instrumentation APIs yet? |
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| 18:25.43 | muthu | goooood mornin |
| 18:26.11 | zhobbs | afternoon here, though I just woke up so it's kinda like morning |
| 18:28.13 | muthu | actually night here |
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| 19:05.44 | Niacin | so android on the iPhone thats gotta hurt apple eh? :) |
| 19:06.40 | zhobbs | will be nice |
| 19:07.01 | cmw | you are correct... it *will* be nice :) |
| 19:07.11 | zhobbs | hopefully Android will get multi-touch functionality by that time |
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| 19:09.14 | pumpkin|zzz | cmw: woo |
| 19:10.11 | cmw | :p |
| 19:10.25 | cmw | i'm trying to think of a feeling better then bragging |
| 19:10.32 | cmw | or shutting na sayers down |
| 19:11.07 | cmw | but i can't .... |
| 19:11.07 | pumpkin|zzz | lol |
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| 20:36.25 | Kraln | I hear rumors of a new sdk tuesday |
| 20:36.32 | Kraln | is this confirmed anywhere? |
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| 20:53.38 | Hai-Fai | yay 2 weeks and counting |
| 20:55.00 | chomchom | yeah, although I'm far from happy with my application I have to say I'll be glad to just get it out the way and then work on it without the looming deadline. |
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| 20:55.30 | chomchom | It will also hopefully encourage a lot more conversation on android as people won't have to keep their cards to their chest any longer. |
| 20:55.56 | loic-pointgphone | true :) |
| 20:56.07 | Hai-Fai | I'm just expecting the first real device.. |
| 20:56.07 | chomchom | I'm ready for a blazing onslaught of a abuse when I get other people to look through my code. |
| 20:56.37 | Hai-Fai | code looks just as great as the coder, so don't worry darling, you wont be killed =) |
| 20:56.56 | tmcneal | wow i feel the love |
| 20:57.06 | Hai-Fai | =P |
| 20:57.26 | chomchom | :) Well I'm secure in that knowledge then. |
| 21:10.18 | Kraln | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.28 | Kraln | they're more looking at the feasibility of ideas rather than the concrete implementation |
| 21:10.53 | zhobbs | Kraln: I think both |
| 21:11.45 | zhobbs | there are 4 equally weighted categories: (1) Originality of Concept, (2) Effective Use of the Android Platform, (3) Polish and Appeal, (4) Indispensability |
| 21:12.01 | cmw | so any actual google people in here? |
| 21:12.04 | zhobbs | So you'll lose points on (3) if your app doesn't work very well |
| 21:12.09 | Kraln | zhobbs: where are you pulling that from? |
| 21:12.12 | chomchom | hmm, I think if I were a company about to launch a potentially worldwide phone platform I'd be looking for some absolutely excellent applications rather than being interested in handouts |
| 21:12.23 | zhobbs | Kraln: http://code.google.com/android/adc-submit/tandc.html |
| 21:12.29 | chomchom | I think skys the limit |
| 21:12.32 | zhobbs | cmw: there are during the week |
| 21:12.40 | Kraln | (3) Polish and Appeal - Is the application easy to use and aesthetically appealing? |
| 21:12.41 | zhobbs | cmw: not right now though |
| 21:12.43 | Hai-Fai | fact : there's plenty of coders which would do code, but they don't have ideas, so what do you think they seek more? |
| 21:12.50 | Kraln | that does not mention anything about bugs or good looking code |
| 21:13.08 | zhobbs | Kraln: well they aren't going to look at the source |
| 21:13.12 | chomchom | Speaking of which, have you seen these ones: http://www.omnigsoft.com/Android/ADC/readme.html |
| 21:13.29 | zhobbs | chomchom: yeah, they don't really work on the emulator though |
| 21:13.51 | chomchom | but they get mega kudos for their potential. |
| 21:13.57 | zhobbs | yeah, they look great |
| 21:14.40 | zhobbs | hopefully they work on the phones |
| 21:14.44 | Kraln | I would think that if you nail 1, 2, and 4 |
| 21:14.47 | Kraln | 3 isn't such a big deal |
| 21:15.12 | zhobbs | Kraln: You'll need to do well in all of them |
| 21:15.24 | zhobbs | I actually think 3 will be very important |
| 21:15.38 | zhobbs | Great demos/screenshots go a long way in the press |
| 21:15.46 | chomchom | agreed |
| 21:15.49 | Kraln | zhobbs: I disagree. Do you think google is going to ignore paradigm-changing technology because it doesn't look as pretty as it could? |
| 21:16.02 | Kraln | or because it has some ui misgivings or stumbles? |
| 21:16.30 | chomchom | no, but the whole point of offering this competition is to generate buzz |
| 21:16.50 | zhobbs | no, they won't be ignored |
| 21:17.01 | Kraln | again, I disagree. I'd say the whole point of offering the competition is to get people developing apps for their platform. |
| 21:17.10 | zhobbs | but if I had a paradigm changing app I'd put a pretty face on it to make sure I win |
| 21:17.20 | Kraln | if they get even one killer app, it validates the platform. look at gameboy -> tetris |
| 21:17.23 | chomchom | if the app looks the same as all the others in a periodical, general people are going to regard it the same way they would a new flavor of linux. |
| 21:17.35 | Kraln | zhobbs: so would I, but I'd make sure the idea is sound before getting it working |
| 21:17.58 | Kraln | I guess time will tell |
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| 21:19.03 | zhobbs | hopefully there will be enough apps submitted so that all the winners are great ideas and polished |
| 21:19.29 | Kraln | imho, the point of round 1 is to get ideas down, and the point of round 2 is to polish |
| 21:19.35 | chomchom | yeah, with so many applicants available i hope they will be stuck for choice |
| 21:20.05 | tmcneal | well in my opinion it's hard to make apps look visually appealing with the current SDK :) |
| 21:20.22 | tmcneal | the default themes on Android don't look near as good as, say, the iphone. |
| 21:20.43 | zhobbs | tmcneal: at least you can customize how everything looks (though it's not documented) |
| 21:21.07 | Kraln | zhobbs: which leads to a mishmash of conflicting ui and usage styles |
| 21:21.22 | tmcneal | yep it's true, but the documentation says you should build the UI based on a theme, not 'roll your own' visual design. |
| 21:21.37 | tmcneal | plus i'm betting that the UI will improve drastically before the release... it's just not a big priority now |
| 21:22.08 | Kraln | which points to what my entire argument has been: they're looking for fresh ideas - a 'killer app', not some commoner bs that's dressed up nice |
| 21:22.14 | tmcneal | tho i do agree.. a nice looking application is a definite plus. it shows the developer put thought and effort into the finished product |
| 21:22.31 | Kraln | hogwash. it shows the developer is good at making things pretty. |
| 21:22.44 | zhobbs | Kraln: you are assuming the judges are technical people |
| 21:23.05 | tmcneal | bottom line is, the nice UI couldn't hurt :) |
| 21:23.07 | Kraln | I'm assuming they're juding for what is going to sell the most product. |
| 21:23.08 | zhobbs | they might be a mix of non-geek / geek |
| 21:23.12 | tmcneal | a nice UI* |
| 21:23.30 | Kraln | s/juding/judging |
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| 21:33.59 | chomchom | I'm really hoping that there will be a lot of developers kind of left floating around after the submissions so I can lure them into the project I'm working on. |
| 21:34.21 | zhobbs | chomchom: what's your project? or is that still secret? |
| 21:37.12 | chomchom | Not really a secret, just eluding public criticism. |
| 21:37.29 | zhobbs | :) |
| 21:37.42 | chomchom | I'll let the cat out the bag, next week |
| 21:38.17 | cmw | tmcneal: well it's going to be pretty cool to see android running on the iPhone |
| 21:38.29 | Kraln | android runs on the iphone? |
| 21:38.32 | Kraln | :\ |
| 21:38.35 | cmw | maybe not with full hardware support... (infin gold chip etc) |
| 21:38.53 | cmw | Kraln: Linux does :) |
| 21:39.07 | Kraln | oh. pff |
| 21:39.16 | zhobbs | cmw: we don't need iPhone, hopefully first Android phone will have 3G and GPS! |
| 21:39.37 | zhobbs | 2 things the iPhone should have included (and probably will eventually) |
| 21:39.47 | Kraln | I'm holding on to my dead and dying phone so I can get the first google phone sprint offers |
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| 21:46.31 | iowahc | is this the android dev channel? |
| 21:46.37 | zhobbs | yep |
| 21:46.40 | iowahc | nice |
| 21:47.05 | iowahc | question: i installed the plugin for eclipse, but now there is a error in the package explorer |
| 21:47.11 | iowahc | im running ubuntu gutsy |
| 21:47.24 | zhobbs | what's the error? |
| 21:47.33 | iowahc | Cant create View |
| 21:48.13 | zhobbs | strange, did you restart eclipse? |
| 21:49.09 | iowahc | many times ^^ |
| 21:49.16 | iowahc | http://pastebin.com/m33dd71b8 here is the exact error |
| 21:51.27 | zhobbs | iowahc: that's weird...might want to try #eclipse |
| 21:51.41 | iowahc | ok try it |
| 21:51.42 | iowahc | thx |
| 21:52.01 | Hai-Fai | first time running it, or did it work before? |
| 21:52.46 | iowahc | it worked on a previous install, also reinstalled it, but didn't work |
| 21:53.14 | Hai-Fai | seems me like a missing feature on java.. is it eclipse java version or some other eclipse version? |
| 21:53.23 | Hai-Fai | on linux's java version works best |
| 21:53.31 | cmw | zhobbs: don't be hating :) |
| 21:54.06 | zhobbs | cmw: I'm not hating, the iPhone is awesome...and when it gets GPS/3G it's going to be really hard to beat |
| 21:54.13 | iowahc | im running sun JRE 1.6 |
| 21:54.34 | Hai-Fai | and eclipse |
| 21:54.45 | iowahc | yes |
| 21:54.53 | Hai-Fai | Eclipse Platform |
| 21:54.53 | Hai-Fai | Version: 3.3.2 |
| 21:54.54 | Hai-Fai | Build id: M20080221-1800 |
| 21:55.03 | zhobbs | iowahc: you have the JDK right? |
| 21:55.31 | iowahc | yes |
| 21:56.31 | Hai-Fai | http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/technology/epp/downloads/release/europa/winter/eclipse-java-europa-winter-linux-gtk.tar.gz if it isn't that version, I think you should try with that one |
| 21:56.36 | zhobbs | iowahc: are you installing via apt-get? I'm using kubuntu and installed it manually |
| 21:56.55 | zhobbs | because the one in apt was out of date |
| 21:57.05 | Hai-Fai | apt installs some version which doesn't have relevant packages included, so use that instead of repository version |
| 21:57.12 | iowahc | i installed Eclipse throuhg apt and JDK mannually |
| 21:57.23 | Hai-Fai | apt-get --purge remove eclipse |
| 21:57.24 | zhobbs | iowahc: try installing eclipse manually |
| 21:59.39 | Hai-Fai | oh well, now it's time to go disturb some bed bugs, nn ppl |
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| 22:11.57 | lenni_-_ | can i use html tags only in webview? |
| 22:12.59 | zhobbs | lenni_-_: you can use <b> and <i> and textview, and could probably use some kind of bullet character to make a list |
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| 23:50.46 | acsia | good night |
| 23:51.22 | DrivenMind | As anyone been able to lock the phone? I've tried the KeyguardManager, but doesn't appear to do anything. |
| 23:51.25 | DrivenMind | I noticed there was a recorded defect already |
| 23:51.43 | DrivenMind | I'd like to secure the device similar to the way you can an iphone |
| 23:51.58 | acsia | did you notice the cover? |
| 23:52.02 | acsia | the white cover? |
| 23:52.13 | *** join/#android tmcneal (n=asdf@pool-151-199-245-93.phil.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:52.14 | acsia | there s your lock |
| 23:53.11 | DrivenMind | ? |
| 23:53.24 | acsia | do you have the emulator running? |
| 23:53.29 | DrivenMind | yup |
| 23:53.44 | acsia | click and hold on the white top part and drag down |
| 23:53.53 | acsia | :) |
| 23:54.08 | acsia | well greyish |
| 23:54.21 | DrivenMind | ah |
| 23:54.23 | DrivenMind | cool |
| 23:54.33 | DrivenMind | do you know if there is a programmatic way to do that? :) |
| 23:54.36 | acsia | not as cool as the iphone but I guess that s their lock |
| 23:54.56 | acsia | no clue, I stumbled across it |
| 23:55.03 | DrivenMind | nice find |
| 23:55.09 | DrivenMind | never knew it was there |
| 23:55.10 | DrivenMind | thx! |
| 23:55.28 | acsia | not sure if it is suppose to be physical or a software lock |
| 23:56.02 | acsia | anyway time for some sleep |
| 23:56.11 | acsia | happy that I could share that ;) |
| 23:56.54 | DrivenMind | cool - take care |