| 00:03.21 | jasta | ahh, home |
| 00:03.36 | jasta | zhobbs: i was instructed to provide my own content. |
| 00:03.47 | zhobbs | ok |
| 00:04.09 | zhobbs | wonder if I can just provide an SD card image |
| 00:04.10 | jasta | but keep in mind that you cannot distribute illegally copied music to them :) |
| 00:04.14 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 00:04.55 | jasta | i am actually planning to just take my music collection and run a script over it to replace all mp3 and ogg files with festival output saying "You are now listening to {Song} by {Artist}" over and over. |
| 00:04.55 | zhobbs | gotta find some crappy creative commons stuff or something |
| 00:05.45 | jasta | that way, they can see my music player with recognizable artists and albums, but without the actual content. |
| 00:05.59 | jasta | plus, the festival output makes it obvious that the system is "working", it's just refusing to illegaly copy music :) |
| 00:06.56 | jasta | i would be willing to share my script with you if you are comfortable waiting. that will probably be one of the last things i do, some time next week. |
| 00:09.11 | f00f- | how long are your README's going to be in pages? |
| 00:09.32 | f00f- | i doubt they'll have time to read more than 3 pages of text |
| 00:09.34 | jasta | Mine will be short. |
| 00:09.41 | jasta | Just a couple of paragraphs probably |
| 00:09.46 | jasta | I'm hoping that my app needs little introduction. |
| 00:09.46 | zhobbs | jasta: well, wouldn't be useful for my case. The mp3 player plays lyrics synced to the music so I need real songs |
| 00:10.01 | f00f- | are you going to add screenshots? |
| 00:10.06 | Stephmw | jasta: archive.org has some free music you can use |
| 00:10.15 | zhobbs | thanks though |
| 00:10.24 | f00f- | i feel my app will need some explanation or pictures to make people fully understand |
| 00:10.29 | jasta | f00f-: i might record a demo video or something and distribute it with my app actually |
| 00:10.39 | f00f- | ah good idea |
| 00:10.45 | jasta | Stephmw: it will be much better for my app if i use more conventional music. |
| 00:25.43 | Bonkers | archive.org has plenty of conventional music |
| 00:26.33 | f00f- | i think he means mainstream, eg. RIAA :) |
| 00:27.38 | Bonkers | there are live versions of plenty of RIAA bands though |
| 00:27.40 | jasta | Bonkers: i wouldn't say that the music found there fits the definition, but yes f00f is correct. |
| 00:28.04 | jasta | Bonkers: And almost none of it has rich meta data associated with it, and is therefore useless to me. |
| 00:28.20 | Bonkers | where do you get tracks with lyrics and timestamp data? |
| 00:28.41 | jasta | I was wondering that too. |
| 00:29.18 | jasta | I wonder if he's trying something more clever. That would be very tough to do with a mobile phone. |
| 00:30.34 | Bonkers | what kind of rich meta data are you looking for? |
| 00:31.01 | jasta | My project uses last.fm to generate suggestions, automatic playlists, etc. |
| 00:31.14 | Bonkers | so it just needs track name and such? |
| 00:31.39 | jasta | Yes, but last.fm must have sufficient backing data to make use of the information you submit. |
| 00:32.01 | jasta | If I use my personal collection as I intend to, then I already have a wealth of meta data built up on last.fm as I have been a user for years. |
| 00:32.35 | jasta | Plus, writing a script to replace the content of my songs would be much simpler than collecting music from that site. |
| 00:32.45 | Bonkers | right, seems like you've got the issue solved well |
| 00:33.40 | jasta | I am submitting my ADC project to Google as if it were configured for me to use. With my last.fm credentials (changed, of course, with the hope that Google does not leak them), and configured to connect to my media server. |
| 00:33.44 | Bonkers | I was only asking since I have a script taht attempts to parse setlist and tag shows from the LMA that I've used to build up quite a collection |
| 00:34.15 | Bonkers | can't you read last.fm data without credentials? or are you scrobbling also? |
| 00:34.34 | jasta | I'm scrobbling, but last.fm data I don't consider generally useful unless you have your own scrobbled data to use. |
| 00:34.49 | jasta | I mean, why do I want to auto-generate a playlist of the top 10 most popular albums i have that *OTHER* people chose? :) |
| 00:34.50 | Bonkers | right, but I'm pretty sure I can access my friends' data |
| 00:34.56 | jasta | Wouldn't it be better to generate *my* top 10? :) |
| 00:35.33 | jasta | Ahh yes, you don't need authentication for that reason. Though I do plan to take advantage of live scrobbling features. |
| 00:40.02 | jasta | wow, my project is 15K loc now :) |
| 00:40.10 | jasta | ...getting there :) |
| 00:47.48 | f00f- | wow |
| 00:48.13 | f00f- | do you like your braces on a separate line? :P |
| 00:49.05 | jasta | i do, in fact :) |
| 00:49.14 | jasta | but, my project is also much bigger than yours ;) |
| 00:51.02 | jasta | let me count non-whitespace characters... |
| 00:52.12 | f00f- | i use jlc |
| 00:52.15 | f00f- | java line counter |
| 00:52.18 | jasta | 66775 :) |
| 00:52.20 | f00f- | and i'm at about 4000 or so |
| 00:52.24 | f00f- | oh my |
| 00:52.52 | f00f- | and i thought a music player was a simple two-line job :P |
| 00:53.29 | jasta | you must not appreciate the scope of my player. |
| 00:53.41 | f00f- | i can't wait to see it |
| 00:53.53 | f00f- | you better make sure it supports crossfading |
| 00:53.56 | f00f- | and an equalizer |
| 00:53.59 | f00f- | :D |
| 00:54.00 | f00f- | please! |
| 00:54.05 | tmcneal | you guys getting anyone to test your app before submitting it? |
| 00:54.26 | f00f- | no one professional. might show it to some friends if i have the time. |
| 00:55.21 | jasta | f00f-: certainly not in the first version, but eventually sure :) |
| 00:56.20 | f00f- | great :) |
| 01:06.14 | Kraln | jlc huh |
| 01:06.50 | Kraln | where do I grab that |
| 01:12.48 | f00f- | http://www.reasoning.com/downloads/java_line_count_estimator.html |
| 01:13.01 | f00f- | linecnt.pl |
| 01:24.52 | Kraln | the most complicated thing I've ever done in java seems to be 6526 lines |
| 01:25.14 | Kraln | only 500 so far in my android ap |
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| 02:04.44 | rhett | Hey, does anyone know a good graphics artist for android? |
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| 02:06.16 | jjt001 | ayo quick question |
| 02:06.25 | rhett | ok |
| 02:06.38 | jjt001 | can anyone figure out the following logcat |
| 02:06.49 | jjt001 | one sec let me post on pastebin |
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| 02:07.56 | jjt001 | http://pastebin.com/mf806a3f |
| 02:13.43 | jjt001 | rhett? |
| 02:14.35 | jjt001 | anyone ? |
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| 02:59.53 | jasta | f00f-: why not just character count? it would be more accurate than line counting anyway |
| 03:00.02 | jasta | non-space characters, i mean. |
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| 03:03.13 | jjt001 | rhett? |
| 03:03.13 | rhett | Does our app have to work for a lot of different resolutions? |
| 03:03.16 | rhett | yeah? |
| 03:03.18 | jjt001 | http://pastebin.com/mf806a3f |
| 03:03.22 | jjt001 | check the pastebin |
| 03:03.23 | rhett | sorry, i'm on dialup |
| 03:03.34 | jjt001 | no problem |
| 03:03.51 | michaelnovakjr | wait, did you say dialup? |
| 03:04.12 | jjt001 | i got an NullPointerException when i tried to extract a location from the LocationManager |
| 03:04.18 | jjt001 | when's the deadline? |
| 03:04.35 | rhett | april 14 i think |
| 03:04.45 | rhett | yeah michaelnovakjr |
| 03:04.49 | rhett | am i missing anything? |
| 03:05.04 | rhett | also, it's thundering, so the power might go out |
| 03:05.07 | jjt001 | rhett?: everything |
| 03:05.19 | jjt001 | rhett: where are you |
| 03:05.19 | rhett | Not only that, I'm on an HP Pentium 3 |
| 03:05.22 | rhett | arkansas |
| 03:05.36 | jjt001 | ah, the South |
| 03:06.00 | michaelnovakjr | wow, have a blackberry? |
| 03:06.09 | michaelnovakjr | internet speeds aren't so bad with that on sprint |
| 03:06.13 | jjt001 | anyone know what my problem is? |
| 03:06.16 | jjt001 | http://pastebin.com/mf806a3f |
| 03:06.19 | rhett | sorry jjt001 |
| 03:06.22 | jjt001 | <>? |
| 03:06.37 | jjt001 | rhett: i excuse you |
| 03:06.57 | jjt001 | rhett: no problem |
| 03:07.09 | jjt001 | michaelnovakjr? |
| 03:07.13 | jjt001 | anyone? |
| 03:07.19 | michaelnovakjr | one sec |
| 03:07.24 | jjt001 | thanks |
| 03:07.48 | michaelnovakjr | any code snippet? |
| 03:07.55 | michaelnovakjr | null pointers can come from anywhere |
| 03:08.36 | rhett | hmm, i need a designer for my app |
| 03:08.40 | jjt001 | yeah, it's when i use a Location that i got from LocationManger.getLocation (); |
| 03:08.47 | jjt001 | rhett: try droiddray |
| 03:08.55 | rhett | nobody knows if it needs to work on a lot of different resolutions? |
| 03:08.56 | jjt001 | *droiddraw |
| 03:09.00 | rhett | jjt001, i'm not that sunk |
| 03:09.02 | rhett | thanks though |
| 03:09.16 | rhett | i mean, like background graphics and icons could really spruce it up |
| 03:09.29 | jjt001 | rhett: i see what you're saying |
| 03:09.32 | rhett | isn't android going to run on a lot of devices? |
| 03:09.46 | michaelnovakjr | jjt001 are you definitely getting a location back? |
| 03:09.53 | michaelnovakjr | it could be that throwing the exception |
| 03:09.54 | jjt001 | no i'm getting a null |
| 03:10.00 | michaelnovakjr | makes sense |
| 03:10.02 | jjt001 | yes that's it |
| 03:10.09 | jjt001 | but i can't figure out why the Location is null |
| 03:10.17 | jjt001 | it was just working a few minutes back |
| 03:10.22 | jjt001 | i haven't even changed the code |
| 03:10.33 | michaelnovakjr | anything with your network? |
| 03:10.44 | jjt001 | it shouldn't be a network problem |
| 03:10.46 | jjt001 | but no |
| 03:11.07 | michaelnovakjr | i noticed some platforms throw exceptions if it panics on the network connection |
| 03:11.21 | jjt001 | i have all the privileges set to access the gps service |
| 03:11.33 | jjt001 | michaelnovakjr: yeah, i've seen that happen |
| 03:11.47 | michaelnovakjr | hmmm, my app is going to be using gps services but i haven't coded that yet |
| 03:11.53 | michaelnovakjr | its more of a part 2 feature |
| 03:12.09 | michaelnovakjr | i have only briefly looked at the location class |
| 03:12.14 | jjt001 | michaelnovakjr: the deadline's fast approaching |
| 03:12.34 | michaelnovakjr | yea, i am not going to put the gps functionality in the challenge |
| 03:12.49 | michaelnovakjr | its not 100% necessary, its just an extra feature |
| 03:16.16 | jjt001 | michaelnovakjr: got it to work |
| 03:16.23 | michaelnovakjr | what was it? |
| 03:16.23 | jjt001 | i just restarted eclipse |
| 03:16.43 | michaelnovakjr | ah, its always good to try the simple stuff |
| 03:16.44 | jjt001 | seems like multiple instances of the emulator were running |
| 03:16.52 | michaelnovakjr | grrr... emulator! |
| 03:16.54 | jjt001 | michaelnovakjr: exactly |
| 03:17.13 | michaelnovakjr | i really hope we can test on real devices and debug on machines when the time comes |
| 03:17.16 | jjt001 | michaelnovakjr: it definitely needs to be improved soon |
| 03:17.28 | michaelnovakjr | its the one thing i like about visual studio and win mobile |
| 03:17.34 | michaelnovakjr | debugging on the phone is great |
| 03:17.42 | jjt001 | android phones are supposed to be out by Jul 08 |
| 03:17.50 | jjt001 | definitely |
| 03:17.50 | michaelnovakjr | interesting |
| 03:18.07 | michaelnovakjr | i am still having the wishful thinking of being able to install android on my current phone |
| 03:18.59 | jjt001 | some guys have actually managed to that |
| 03:18.59 | jjt001 | they posted a video on youtube |
| 03:19.16 | michaelnovakjr | its real too? |
| 03:19.22 | jjt001 | yep |
| 03:19.29 | michaelnovakjr | my friend made a fluke video of iphone software on a zune |
| 03:19.36 | jjt001 | it's definitely not an easy task, however |
| 03:19.36 | michaelnovakjr | it was pretty funny |
| 03:19.53 | jjt001 | ya there's a lot of those out there |
| 03:20.30 | jjt001 | i have to go |
| 03:20.49 | jjt001 | goodnight to all |
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| 03:53.44 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: you will not be able to, so just give up :) |
| 03:53.58 | michaelnovakjr | able to what? |
| 03:54.06 | jasta | the best we could hope for are reference handsets, which hey, google might let us have access to some if we win the first round. |
| 03:54.22 | michaelnovakjr | oh yea, the instlal |
| 03:54.38 | jasta | which they might, actually |
| 03:54.57 | jasta | it would not seem that impractical to give out 50 reference handsets, though i still doubt that they wil |
| 03:55.01 | jasta | l |
| 03:55.07 | michaelnovakjr | true |
| 03:55.17 | michaelnovakjr | service... |
| 03:55.42 | michaelnovakjr | i like the phone i have now |
| 03:55.58 | michaelnovakjr | except for battery life, it does everything i need |
| 03:56.08 | jasta | i personally would love a reference handset, but i wouldn't count on it :) |
| 03:56.18 | michaelnovakjr | haha, same here |
| 03:57.00 | michaelnovakjr | i still think the handset debugging is a must |
| 03:57.32 | michaelnovakjr | but we need a way to be able to test multiple platforms without having multiple cell accounts |
| 03:57.41 | michaelnovakjr | like gain network access via usb |
| 03:57.46 | michaelnovakjr | during debugging |
| 03:58.21 | jasta | i disagree that real handsets are necessary for development or debugging. |
| 03:58.29 | jasta | they're nice, but certainly not required. |
| 03:59.13 | michaelnovakjr | i feel the emulator doesn't give you all the possible environmental variables that are needed for testing |
| 03:59.24 | jasta | such as? |
| 03:59.28 | michaelnovakjr | or i should say thorough testing |
| 03:59.35 | michaelnovakjr | one is power consumption |
| 03:59.40 | michaelnovakjr | that is the biggest one for me |
| 03:59.42 | jasta | the only want i have is an accurate simulation of the battery. |
| 03:59.57 | jasta | though it would be easier for google to simply add that as a feature than give anyone a handset. |
| 04:00.11 | michaelnovakjr | but how accurate could you make such a feature |
| 04:00.20 | jasta | you could model a battery very accurately, actually. |
| 04:00.23 | jasta | it's been done before, in fact. |
| 04:00.31 | michaelnovakjr | for mobile devices? |
| 04:00.39 | jasta | what does that matter? |
| 04:00.47 | michaelnovakjr | just curious |
| 04:00.49 | jasta | there is not that much variety in battery technology. |
| 04:00.57 | michaelnovakjr | i hadn't done much research on it |
| 04:01.31 | jasta | you know that most battery level indicators are an estimation, right? |
| 04:01.41 | michaelnovakjr | yep |
| 04:02.04 | jasta | so how is it hard to imagine simulating the battery entirelY? |
| 04:02.31 | jasta | all that would be required would be a good model for how much power certain chips and screens use. |
| 04:02.42 | michaelnovakjr | true |
| 04:02.42 | jasta | which would be easy to produce with a thorough test. |
| 04:03.03 | michaelnovakjr | it would be a nice feature |
| 04:03.12 | jasta | yes, though it's unlikely to ever happen :) |
| 04:03.22 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 04:03.38 | jasta | truly, the main reason i'd want a reference handset is so that i could force myself to really use my app. |
| 04:03.49 | michaelnovakjr | true |
| 04:03.51 | jasta | and thus hope to discover usability problems with it |
| 04:04.06 | michaelnovakjr | i have my application running on win mobile... so i can see what daily usage is like |
| 04:04.09 | jasta | but i could just as well do that with the emulator, it's just more difficult to conjure up the motivation |
| 04:04.15 | michaelnovakjr | you find out quite a bit about the application that way |
| 04:04.35 | michaelnovakjr | it doesn't obviously do anything for other platforms |
| 04:04.50 | michaelnovakjr | but i still get an idea for the optimization that i need to work on |
| 04:06.54 | michaelnovakjr | i'll be back in a few... need to stretch |
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| 04:18.22 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, do you use subActivities? |
| 04:21.00 | jasta | not currently, though i suspect i will want to take advantage of them when my playlist manager gets more sophisticated. |
| 04:21.21 | michaelnovakjr | i am entertaining the idea as well of implementing them |
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| 05:01.40 | jasta | hmm, are MediaPlayer instances not re-usable? |
| 05:02.10 | michaelnovakjr | mediaplayer isn't all that stable is it? |
| 05:02.16 | jasta | no, not really |
| 05:02.19 | michaelnovakjr | that is the impression i get |
| 05:02.34 | jasta | it's implementation is counter-intuitive, at the very least. |
| 05:02.59 | jasta | oh i guess i have to call reset() |
| 05:21.49 | muthu | mediaplayer is so buggy |
| 05:25.39 | duey | maybe an intern did it |
| 05:26.22 | duey | emulator takes long time to load :( |
| 05:27.34 | duey | they released a new api :'(? |
| 05:29.58 | muthu | really? |
| 05:31.40 | duey | not really |
| 05:31.41 | duey | just 'd' |
| 05:34.19 | f00f- | you kidding? |
| 05:34.23 | f00f- | interns do the best work |
| 05:34.36 | duey | lol |
| 05:34.40 | duey | most of them |
| 05:34.47 | f00f- | :S |
| 05:34.54 | duey | anyway how do you tell what sdk version you got |
| 05:39.39 | duey | bugger think im running rc14 |
| 05:52.49 | muthu | m5-rc15 is the latest |
| 05:55.06 | f00f- | rc14 is good enough |
| 05:57.03 | romainguy | rc15 just fixes security bugs |
| 05:57.48 | f00f- | which any decent OS should have to keep its developers busy |
| 05:58.49 | romainguy | they were in native image decoding libraries if I remember correctly |
| 05:59.14 | f00f- | was it a buffer overflow? |
| 05:59.25 | romainguy | I don't remember |
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| 06:00.33 | sandesh | hello everybod |
| 06:00.52 | sandesh | can anyone help me on overlays |
| 06:01.34 | f00f- | they are slow, and ninepatch won't work. what's up? |
| 06:01.53 | romainguy | why wouldn't ninepatches work? |
| 06:02.50 | zhobbs | sandesh: what's the prob? |
| 06:03.12 | sandesh | i am getting a direction where my vehicle is tracking |
| 06:03.19 | f00f- | romainguy: on a map? i can't get it to activate. shouldn't it just work? |
| 06:03.23 | sandesh | but i am not getting how to mark |
| 06:03.25 | f00f- | all i see is a black border |
| 06:03.47 | f00f- | (on the image overlay itself) |
| 06:03.50 | romainguy | if you give the ninepatch drawable the proper bounds there's no reason why it wouldn't work |
| 06:04.36 | sandesh | zhobbs: |
| 06:05.29 | zhobbs | sandesh: you have to create an Overlay at the location |
| 06:06.04 | sandesh | zhobbs i created |
| 06:06.11 | sandesh | but its giving null pointe |
| 06:06.58 | zhobbs | they you're doing something wrong...debug and figure out why you're getting the NPE |
| 06:07.12 | zhobbs | s/they/then |
| 06:08.02 | sandesh | its not giving null pointer now |
| 06:08.05 | sandesh | zhobbs |
| 06:08.19 | sandesh | its just track not giving overlay |
| 06:08.24 | sandesh | can u please see d code |
| 06:08.45 | sandesh | n tell how to draw n track |
| 06:11.29 | sandesh | zhobbs |
| 06:12.06 | zhobbs | is the code in pastebin or something? |
| 06:15.10 | sandesh | no how do i do it |
| 06:15.16 | f00f- | rofl |
| 06:15.27 | zhobbs | hehe |
| 06:16.11 | sandesh | ok i have send in pastebin |
| 06:16.14 | sandesh | Zhobbs |
| 06:16.57 | sandesh | hello Zhobbs |
| 06:17.01 | sandesh | got it |
| 06:18.19 | sandesh | zhobbs:u there |
| 06:18.29 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 06:19.20 | f00f- | hahaha wtf i forgot that i have to initialize each object in the array |
| 06:19.24 | f00f- | NPE owned me |
| 06:19.40 | sandesh | i have patebin it |
| 06:19.45 | sandesh | zhobbs: |
| 06:20.02 | zhobbs | sandesh: ok...I'm going through every pastebin page trying to find it... |
| 06:20.08 | sandesh | http://pastebin.com/d7baa7fa4 |
| 06:20.13 | sandesh | see this |
| 06:20.20 | sandesh | zhobbs |
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| 06:22.12 | zhobbs | ok, so what's the question? |
| 06:23.21 | sandesh | i am not gettin a track |
| 06:23.30 | sandesh | i mean am not drawing it |
| 06:23.39 | sandesh | it just moves on |
| 06:23.44 | sandesh | without marking |
| 06:25.15 | zhobbs | so it should draw points for every point that you were at when you pressed "p" I guess? |
| 06:25.49 | sandesh | no |
| 06:25.53 | sandesh | its doing tht |
| 06:25.55 | sandesh | already |
| 06:26.13 | sandesh | i just want to draw it automatically |
| 06:26.40 | zhobbs | the code you have there is only drawing the current point plus the points in "path" |
| 06:26.51 | sandesh | http://www.anddev.org/andnav_-_android_map-routing-system-t740.html |
| 06:27.05 | sandesh | see this screencast i want to do similar things |
| 06:27.28 | sandesh | can u tell me how to draw when it moves |
| 06:30.35 | f00f- | oh no you dont |
| 06:30.38 | f00f- | wtf |
| 06:30.50 | f00f- | these fsckers put a coutndown clock up there?! |
| 06:30.59 | f00f- | that does *not* help |
| 06:31.08 | zhobbs | :) |
| 06:31.34 | zhobbs | hope you don't like sleeping |
| 06:31.59 | f00f- | well i guess now i'm neutral on that |
| 06:32.28 | sandesh | zhobbs: |
| 06:32.31 | sandesh | wat happen |
| 06:33.12 | zhobbs | sorry sandesh, not familiar with plusminus's app there. |
| 06:33.30 | sandesh | ok but atleast how to draw |
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| 06:44.55 | Hai-Fai | sandesh: I'm too lazy to read all of your writings, what exactly you want from that andnav in your app? |
| 06:45.22 | sandesh | hey hai fai i just want to mark the track |
| 06:45.34 | sandesh | i m having a gps provider |
| 06:45.40 | Hai-Fai | that routing part? "How to get from point a to b"? |
| 06:45.51 | sandesh | my track is just moving without drawing |
| 06:46.00 | sandesh | no not routing |
| 06:46.16 | sandesh | i am fetching my data from my file |
| 06:46.36 | Hai-Fai | so you want somekind of "x color line" which shows your route? |
| 06:46.43 | sandesh | yes |
| 06:46.46 | sandesh | right |
| 06:47.28 | sandesh | http://pastebin.com/d7baa7fa4 |
| 06:47.47 | sandesh | here my code |
| 06:48.19 | Hai-Fai | depends on how you have done your app.. there's 3 ways to create that mapview, and only 1 of 'em works well with that route drawing thing.. might be, that you have to change your app a bit [or a lot.. :)], but basically, it's not very hard if you're familiar with android code already |
| 06:50.07 | sandesh | k |
| 06:51.06 | sandesh | see the prob with me is tht when i call my st point function it creates the strt point |
| 06:51.26 | sandesh | and when i click nxt point it draws the track |
| 06:51.33 | Hai-Fai | unfortenately I have to go now.. but if you wait, I'll be back in 3 hrs.. then I might help you, if anyone else doesn't |
| 06:51.34 | sandesh | thts workin fine |
| 06:51.35 | sandesh | but |
| 06:51.57 | Hai-Fai | oh, so drawing works somehow already? |
| 06:52.02 | sandesh | ya |
| 06:52.10 | Hai-Fai | k, then it wont be a prob.. |
| 06:52.20 | Hai-Fai | but, I really have to go in 1minute.. =/ |
| 06:52.35 | Hai-Fai | I'm on my underwear and about to late from train =) |
| 06:52.38 | sandesh | i tried to call tht function with in it self thn it strted givin stack overflow |
| 06:52.55 | Hai-Fai | cu in few hours or so |
| 06:52.55 | Hai-Fai | bye |
| 06:53.05 | sandesh | ok will be waitn fr u |
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| 06:58.33 | duey | I am doing TextView.setText() but its not updating the view? |
| 06:59.29 | romainguy | shouldn't happen :) |
| 06:59.55 | duey | hmmm |
| 07:00.23 | duey | it works the first time i call setText() |
| 07:06.16 | duey | nm |
| 07:06.18 | duey | i screwed it up |
| 07:07.09 | duey | so you cant update a view from a different thread |
| 07:10.19 | duey | ugh |
| 07:12.18 | duey | so I have something uploading data to a server and I want to update a textview with the status of the upload |
| 07:12.38 | duey | without blocking the cancel button on the viewable activity |
| 07:13.59 | zhobbs | duey: use a Handler |
| 07:15.49 | zhobbs | duey: http://www.helloandroid.com/node/243 |
| 07:17.17 | duey | cool |
| 07:17.18 | duey | thanks |
| 07:17.21 | romainguy | duey: so you cant update a view from a different thread << no you can't |
| 07:17.28 | romainguy | at least not without using a Handler |
| 07:17.35 | duey | yeah ill use a handler |
| 07:17.38 | romainguy | or even simpler, View.post(Runnable) |
| 07:19.44 | duey | hmm |
| 07:19.47 | duey | cool |
| 07:19.51 | duey | i will try that |
| 07:20.50 | zhobbs | or Activity.runOnUIThread(Runnable) |
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| 07:22.07 | romainguy | zhobbs: in this case runOnUiThread is useless since duey knows he's not on the UI thread |
| 07:22.34 | rhett | hey romainguy, I saw you in the google groups |
| 07:22.44 | davidw | 'morning |
| 07:22.54 | rhett | boy, my app looks pretty ugly. Does anyone have examples of decent looking apps? |
| 07:22.59 | rhett | I really need a designer |
| 07:23.01 | duey | stupid mailing list rick rolled me |
| 07:23.06 | zhobbs | romainguy: Oh...I misinterpreted what runOnUIThread does I think |
| 07:23.47 | romainguy | runOnUiThread just does this: |
| 07:23.52 | romainguy | if (current thread == ui thread) |
| 07:23.54 | romainguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.56 | romainguy | else |
| 07:24.06 | romainguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.36 | zhobbs | so it would work, but if you know it's not UI thread it'd be better to use Activity.getContentView.post() ? |
| 07:25.07 | romainguy | it's not better, it's just that runOnUiThread would give you nothing you cannot do yourself |
| 07:25.08 | zhobbs | oh, getContentView doesn't exist |
| 07:25.20 | romainguy | getWindow().getDecorView() |
| 07:25.31 | zhobbs | Ah |
| 07:25.44 | romainguy | (that's what runOnUiThread uses and that's why the activity must be shown on screen for it to work) |
| 07:26.11 | romainguy | View.post() needs the View to be shown too (by shown, understand "attached to a window") |
| 07:31.35 | rhett | hey, does anyone know if our app has to support multiple resolutions or what? |
| 07:31.50 | rhett | it should work on all devices that run android? |
| 07:31.56 | zhobbs | rhett: sounds like the judges will be using HVGA-P |
| 07:32.23 | rhett | is that it zhobbs? |
| 07:33.24 | zhobbs | that's my understanding...but you might want to check the android-challege list for confirmation |
| 07:33.36 | rhett | thanks zhobbs |
| 07:33.47 | rhett | does anyone have screenshots of some good looking android apps for insipiration? |
| 07:34.25 | duey | just use native widgets |
| 07:34.37 | duey | can't stand people who theme there own guis |
| 07:34.45 | rhett | duey, but I just have a black background, it it looks kind of like ass |
| 07:35.06 | duey | you mean the black bg with lines |
| 07:35.09 | duey | or pure black |
| 07:35.16 | rhett | well, i changed it to pure black a tleast |
| 07:35.24 | duey | put it back to default :| |
| 07:35.40 | rhett | i mean, all the android apps I've seen that look that way kinda look crappy |
| 07:35.45 | rhett | the iphone apps just look so much nicer |
| 07:35.56 | rhett | you like the lines, duey? |
| 07:36.01 | duey | sure |
| 07:36.07 | duey | i think the default gui widgets look great |
| 07:36.08 | romainguy | rhett: keep your UI simple, use the default theme, that's your best bet |
| 07:36.21 | duey | and it is nice for your users to |
| 07:36.23 | romainguy | there's a team of professional UI designers constantly improving the UI |
| 07:36.35 | duey | because they get used to the consistant ui |
| 07:36.41 | romainguy | trying to stray away from the default widgets now might penalize your application later on when the UI is refreshed |
| 07:36.49 | romainguy | it also builds consistency across applications |
| 07:37.03 | f00f- | romainguy: can i request that the RadioButtons not look like omelettes? :) |
| 07:37.12 | rhett | oh, the widgets will wind up looking nicer? |
| 07:37.24 | romainguy | rhett: I didn't say "nicer" |
| 07:37.27 | duey | rhett, are you a hardcore programmer? |
| 07:37.33 | romainguy | I said there is ongoing work on the design |
| 07:37.44 | romainguy | obviously the "nicer" part is very personal :) |
| 07:37.54 | duey | programmers don't generally know what good ui looks like imo. |
| 07:38.05 | duey | some do |
| 07:38.07 | rhett | yeah, 2 of us are programmers on this one |
| 07:38.11 | romainguy | to give you an example, the striped background is gone in the next SDK |
| 07:38.19 | duey | aw |
| 07:38.21 | duey | i like it |
| 07:38.24 | rhett | oh how do ou know romainguy? |
| 07:38.29 | duey | lol |
| 07:38.36 | romainguy | rhett: because I work on the UI toolkit at Google :) |
| 07:38.40 | duey | hahaha |
| 07:38.41 | f00f- | is the glowing/faded circle effect also gone? |
| 07:38.49 | romainguy | f00f-: yes |
| 07:39.01 | romainguy | (I actually grew to like that effect) |
| 07:39.03 | duey | the spinners are interesting |
| 07:39.11 | muthu | thats good new.. lot of people hate that stripes |
| 07:39.14 | romainguy | spinners will be different in the next SDK |
| 07:39.14 | f00f- | me too |
| 07:39.30 | romainguy | there were two reasons for removing the stripes |
| 07:39.47 | romainguy | first, it made the screen look a bit too dim on the edges on actual hardware |
| 07:39.58 | rhett | oh, well, i guess I'll believe you know what you're talking about romainguy :) |
| 07:40.02 | romainguy | and it was also a source of slowdown during fast scrolling |
| 07:40.08 | romainguy | rhett: :) |
| 07:40.49 | zhobbs | romainguy: so the new background is solid? |
| 07:41.46 | romainguy | yes |
| 07:41.51 | romainguy | #FF191919 |
| 07:42.54 | zhobbs | is simple_list_item changing? |
| 07:43.08 | rhett | romainguy, so you don't think there will be much weight in the judging on adding nice icons, and background graphics, etc.? |
| 07:43.30 | jtoy | anyone working with cookies on android? |
| 07:43.35 | romainguy | rhett: To tell the truth, I have absolutely no idea |
| 07:43.41 | jerkface03 | i hope not |
| 07:43.46 | jerkface03 | my submission looks like dog shit |
| 07:43.47 | romainguy | zhobbs: no, why would it change? |
| 07:44.01 | zhobbs | romainguy: just wondering |
| 07:44.11 | muthu | the simple_list_item is plain blank |
| 07:44.18 | duey | stupid eclipse been shitting out on me all afternoon |
| 07:45.26 | muthu | but as the name suggests, its really really simple |
| 07:47.06 | rhett | http://code.google.com/android/adc_faq.html point 3 is what worries me |
| 07:47.18 | romainguy | muthu: well it provides what most lists are made of: a line of text :) |
| 07:48.15 | zhobbs | rhett: point 3? |
| 07:48.37 | muthu | yeah romain i can see that :) |
| 07:48.54 | rhett | sorry, of how things will be judged: "polish and appeal" |
| 07:48.58 | muthu | there's no point 3.. which one rhett? |
| 07:49.43 | muthu | Polish and Appeal |
| 07:49.44 | muthu | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.10 | muthu | i would say its more from a layout perspective |
| 07:50.31 | zhobbs | I hear a lot of people talk about how that point shouldn't be valid, but I think it's important |
| 07:51.07 | rhett | yeah, we spent a lot of time thinking about our layout, and I think our site is pretty nice to use |
| 07:51.08 | duey | well its probably just as equal as the other points |
| 07:51.13 | rhett | haha "site" |
| 07:51.26 | rhett | i keep thinking of this as a web app |
| 07:51.27 | muthu | ease of use is important |
| 07:52.31 | jtoy | I noticed that these classes still work: org.apache.commons.httpclient.HttpClient; |
| 07:52.43 | jtoy | as opposed to org.apache.http |
| 07:54.30 | duey | yeah im using commons |
| 07:55.12 | jtoy | there doesnt seem to be too much good documentation on using the newer api, is it ok to submit code using the commons.* stuff? |
| 07:55.28 | duey | not sure |
| 07:55.44 | duey | there was no docs on android.http or w/e it was so i didnt use it |
| 07:56.44 | jtoy | the org.apache.http stuff seems to be beta still also |
| 07:56.46 | jtoy | so that doesnt help |
| 07:57.10 | duey | its not beta... |
| 07:57.18 | duey | apache commons is stable as |
| 07:57.30 | duey | http://hc.apache.org/httpclient-3.x/ |
| 07:58.16 | jtoy | I am saying org.apache.commons is stable, but the org.apache.http is beta |
| 07:58.52 | duey | i think they are the same thing |
| 07:59.12 | duey | oh maybe not |
| 07:59.24 | jtoy | the api is totally different it seems |
| 08:00.03 | duey | na its pretty much the same |
| 08:00.41 | jtoy | so what is the proper class to use insetad of org.apache.commons.httpclient.cookie ? |
| 08:00.45 | jtoy | for example? |
| 08:01.44 | duey | http://code.google.com/android/reference/org/apache/http/cookie/Cookie.html |
| 08:02.00 | duey | they have just moved the packages around by the looks |
| 08:04.35 | jtoy | hmm, how do you find ther correspinding class? I cant find these one either: org.apache.http.httpclient.HttpClient; |
| 08:12.05 | jtoy | probably this one: org.apache.http.HttpClientConnection |
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| 08:12.05 | duey | search |
| 08:12.05 | duey | http://code.google.com/android/reference/org/apache/http/client/HttpClient.html |
| 08:12.05 | jtoy | the api is pretty different |
| 08:12.05 | jtoy | doesnt seem like import search and replace will work, a bunch of code changes, that sucks |
| 08:12.06 | duey | so whenever there is a runtime exception in my app eclipse refuses to run |
| 08:12.51 | jtoy | duey: i switched to the commandline since ecplipse sucks |
| 08:13.11 | jerkface03 | eclipse isn't too bad |
| 08:13.24 | jerkface03 | i only have to close it down and restart it maybe 5 times during a day of development? |
| 08:13.35 | jerkface03 | it's no netbeans, but it's ok |
| 08:13.58 | romainguy | IntelliJ ftw ^^ |
| 08:14.57 | jtoy | romainguy: is it ok to use the org.apache.commons.* when submitting for the m5 version? |
| 08:15.04 | romainguy | I have no idea |
| 08:15.22 | duey | jtoy, they don't see your code |
| 08:15.25 | duey | so don't worry about it |
| 08:15.33 | duey | you can select the sdk version |
| 08:15.49 | jtoy | it compiles, so i guess that means google has kept those libraries for now even though the docs says its gone |
| 08:16.25 | jtoy | im just not sure why my code compiles and runs on m5 if the docs say org.apache.commons is deprecated |
| 08:16.43 | romainguy | deprecated just means you should stop using this API |
| 08:16.50 | romainguy | it does not mean it does not compile or does not work |
| 08:17.02 | romainguy | but expect deprecated APIs to disappear before 1.0 |
| 08:17.17 | jtoy | ok, so I will use it to submit, but will upgrade the code later once there are better docs |
| 08:17.30 | jtoy | thx |
| 08:18.37 | duey | where do they say its depreciated? |
| 08:19.17 | jtoy | http://code.google.com/android/migrating/m3-to-m5/changes.html |
| 08:20.19 | duey | gay |
| 08:20.22 | duey | guess i can switch |
| 08:21.15 | muthu | rhett: where's your site? |
| 08:21.31 | jtoy | dumb java question, can I tell from javac or form my installed java if a class implements a certain interface? |
| 08:22.00 | jtoy | specifically I see that some versions of org.apache.commons.httpclient.Cookie implement serializable, and I want to know if the m5 version implements it |
| 08:23.41 | romainguy | jtoy: you can use reflection for that |
| 08:24.58 | jerkface03 | romainguy: how much slower would you say using reflections to call a methos vs normally calling a method? |
| 08:25.01 | jerkface03 | five fold? |
| 08:25.29 | romainguy | I don't remember the exact number |
| 08:25.37 | romainguy | but it's probably a lot more than that |
| 08:25.44 | jerkface03 | kk |
| 08:26.11 | romainguy | you can easily test it though |
| 08:26.43 | jerkface03 | ya i will, after i hand in my submission tonight |
| 08:27.33 | duey | early hand in? |
| 08:27.44 | jerkface03 | well, the assignment was done for a class |
| 08:27.50 | duey | ah |
| 08:27.55 | jerkface03 | and although it's missing some things i won't have time to work on it anymore |
| 08:28.04 | jerkface03 | so today is the presentation, and after teh presentation im going to chuck in it |
| 08:28.10 | jerkface03 | and focus on the rest of my finals |
| 08:28.14 | duey | mines my honours project |
| 08:28.20 | duey | so if i screw it up |
| 08:28.22 | duey | i dont get honours |
| 08:28.24 | duey | :'( |
| 08:28.32 | jerkface03 | what are you making? |
| 08:28.45 | duey | OCR on photos and then translating them into another language |
| 08:29.01 | jerkface03 | nice |
| 08:29.09 | jerkface03 | all local or do you use any remote resources? |
| 08:29.10 | jtoy | my app is really ugly, hope that doesnt matter |
| 08:29.17 | duey | remote for now |
| 08:29.31 | duey | i don't intend on using local translation |
| 08:29.37 | duey | maybe semi local ocr |
| 08:29.55 | duey | do real time overlays of text found in photos |
| 08:30.04 | davidw | uses reflection a lot in Hecl, and... yeah, some stuff is pokey, but it's not that bad |
| 08:30.05 | duey | display bounding boxes around the text as you move the camera |
| 08:30.21 | duey | so you can take the best pic for the ocr process |
| 08:30.31 | romainguy | davidw: depends on what you're doing |
| 08:30.32 | jerkface03 | that'd be neat |
| 08:30.43 | jerkface03 | you do alot of work with OCR, do you? |
| 08:30.55 | davidw | romainguy, it's not used in the core, but to access the android api's |
| 08:31.00 | duey | ~I am doing AI |
| 08:31.01 | infobot | it is my pleasure to meet you, doing AI |
| 08:31.06 | duey | wtf |
| 08:31.09 | romainguy | davidw: just remember you haven't tried on real hardware yet ;-) |
| 08:31.26 | duey | wtf is this bot |
| 08:31.30 | davidw | seeing as how I didn't want to try and write API's for everything |
| 08:31.36 | davidw | romainguy, so send me some:-) |
| 08:31.53 | romainguy | be patient :p |
| 08:32.01 | jerkface03 | duey: i didn't know ai encompassed ocr |
| 08:32.08 | davidw | romainguy, hecl without reflection runs ok, if not fast, on my nokia 3100, so I'm assuming that Hecl itself will whiz along quite nicely on android hardware |
| 08:32.13 | duey | ai is a big field |
| 08:32.16 | jerkface03 | i have a fat ai book here that ive been planning to get to |
| 08:32.28 | duey | ocr uses machine learning |
| 08:32.37 | duey | neural networks etc |
| 08:32.39 | romainguy | davidw: again, it depends on how reflection is used |
| 08:32.50 | jerkface03 | werd |
| 08:32.56 | romainguy | if reflection ends up being used in layout or drawing code paths, it's bad ^^ |
| 08:36.02 | davidw | so is that just a java thing or is it a dex thing? |
| 08:36.17 | davidw | has never really looked into reflection much because it simply doesn't exist on java me |
| 08:36.18 | romainguy | a mix of both |
| 08:36.37 | romainguy | reflection is a lot less painful on Java SE |
| 08:36.42 | romainguy | Hotspot helps a lot |
| 08:36.57 | davidw | I guess one thing I might do for common api's is to "pre reflect" them into Hecl commands |
| 08:47.57 | davidw | not until after the contest though |
| 08:50.33 | duey | hmm |
| 08:50.37 | duey | so whats up with charsets |
| 08:50.45 | duey | I am downloading stuff from the internets and its all funky |
| 09:11.07 | duey | does android not support chinese? |
| 09:26.40 | sandesh | hey i wanna draw route when it is tracking |
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| 11:55.44 | acsia | quick poll, what music do you listen to when programming android? |
| 11:56.01 | visit0r | random |
| 11:56.53 | acsia | I remember reading Bernard Weber, and in each book he puts the music he listened to while writing the book |
| 11:56.56 | acsia | quite a good concet |
| 11:56.58 | acsia | concept |
| 11:57.19 | acsia | maybe the next source control system should integrate last.fm |
| 11:57.22 | acsia | or something |
| 11:57.35 | acsia | like web 2 source control system and they you can trend |
| 11:57.50 | acsia | best music to listen to while programming .... |
| 11:57.52 | acsia | ha |
| 12:02.25 | davidw | Fishbone |
| 12:02.38 | davidw | Salsa is pretty good too |
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| 14:44.26 | sandesh | anyone in maps |
| 14:56.21 | davidw | wonders if anyone has ideas on what would make a nice countdown widget |
| 15:14.39 | acsia | a geolocalized New years countdown |
| 15:15.00 | davidw | mmm I mean what widget to use |
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| 15:19.58 | acsia | maybe a custom progressdialog |
| 15:21.48 | davidw | mmmm |
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| 15:37.32 | jasta | i broke my glasses this morning |
| 15:37.36 | jasta | now i have to go wrestle with my contacts |
| 15:37.41 | jasta | it still takes me over a half hour to get them in |
| 15:37.43 | michaelnovakjr | ouch. i hate when that happens |
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| 16:30.17 | acsia | geI am having trouble with getResourcesForApplication |
| 16:30.23 | acsia | anybody can help? |
| 16:41.10 | zhobbs | acsia: from PackageManager? |
| 16:41.45 | acsia | yes |
| 16:42.00 | acsia | I have a lot of trouble using the packagemanager |
| 16:42.02 | zhobbs | last I checked PackageManager didn't work very well...seems like they haven't figured out the permissions issues yet |
| 16:42.13 | acsia | arf... |
| 16:42.23 | zhobbs | yeah, I know it didn't work in M3 |
| 16:42.26 | acsia | would there be some permission to add for now or does it just not work |
| 16:42.51 | zhobbs | well, you might want to try installing the app in /system/app |
| 16:43.12 | zhobbs | when I was messing with packagemanager I had better results if the apk was in /system/app instead of /data/app |
| 16:43.26 | zhobbs | still couldn't really get it to work though |
| 16:43.30 | acsia | ok ok... |
| 16:43.38 | zhobbs | good luck, I gotta go |
| 16:43.40 | acsia | this is a bit of a pain |
| 16:43.42 | acsia | thx |
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| 17:09.44 | jasta | phew, finally got my contacts in :) |
| 17:10.05 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 17:10.23 | jasta | or rather, got them in and went to work :) |
| 17:28.18 | acsia | anybody been playing with packageManager except zhobbs? |
| 17:29.12 | jasta | no, sorry |
| 17:29.25 | jasta | there are a lot of gotchas in Android, though, I will say that. |
| 17:35.02 | romainguy_ | acsia: what do you want to do? |
| 17:36.31 | acsia | well I want to grab the meta-data from a provider within a different package |
| 17:36.54 | acsia | or grab an XML via a resoure given by another package |
| 17:36.58 | acsia | none seems to work |
| 17:37.16 | jasta | why do you want to do that? |
| 17:37.17 | acsia | returning null and I red that there some issues with permission so I am not sure if the problem is related |
| 17:37.59 | acsia | well I have 2 applications with the same user id, and I need to gather information on the provider from one within the other |
| 17:38.13 | acsia | so I can do dynamic class loading |
| 17:39.00 | acsia | for instance ApplicationInfo appinfo = mPkgMgr |
| 17:39.00 | acsia | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.12 | jasta | hmm |
| 17:40.09 | acsia | I tried several ways to get the metadata or xml via package manager and none seems to work |
| 17:40.31 | acsia | some methods returns something and some others just null |
| 17:40.38 | acsia | no error in logcat.... |
| 17:44.30 | acsia | for instance this does not work |
| 17:44.31 | acsia | http://pastebin.com/m4da8d7b9 |
| 17:44.58 | acsia | I can get a list of providers but not the ProviderInfo |
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| 17:51.58 | acsia | I think I fund a bug in the documentation... |
| 17:52.08 | acsia | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.17 | acsia | name should be authority afaik |
| 17:53.05 | acsia | I think I am going mental... I need a break |
| 17:55.17 | muthu | acsia :) |
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| 17:55.50 | muthu | acsia: you'll be allright.. dont worry ;) |
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| 18:21.46 | jasta | pokes morrildl |
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| 18:32.33 | bigodines | how do I add an icon into a specific position of MapView ? |
| 18:34.01 | plusminus_ | OverLay ? |
| 18:35.10 | plusminus_ | i.e.: http://www.anddev.org/the_friend_finder_-_mapactivity_using_gps_-_part_ii_-_ii-t92.html |
| 18:45.39 | bigodines | plusminus_, tnx |
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| 19:43.32 | bigodines | plusminus_, nice tutorial you wrote there! congrats! |
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| 19:51.22 | quozzle | cheers mates |
| 19:51.30 | quozzle | quick question: |
| 19:52.00 | quozzle | i'm a little fuzzy on Notification - I'd like to fire one from a ProximityAlert - but the setProxAlert takes an Intent |
| 19:52.29 | quozzle | and as far as i understand, needing an Intent means it will fire up a view and take focus? |
| 19:52.49 | quozzle | how can I just set a notification (marquee in the top status bar etc) from a ProximityAlert? |
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| 19:57.32 | quozzle | hm, perhaps NotifyingService in API Demos is the general shape of what I need |
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| 20:15.50 | michaelnovakjr | anyone use audio alerts in their apps? |
| 20:16.55 | Lede | i play rick roll when the user does something wrong |
| 20:17.29 | michaelnovakjr | is that custom? |
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| 20:37.41 | Tomasso | hello, guys, is there any way to port a j2me application to android? I read there is some j2me implementation for android called MicroEmulator, but I cant find any link to download it. Also I tried loading a jar from the android emulator and I got error, any clues on that? or any docs on that? |
| 20:43.46 | B0jangles | you can port anything you like |
| 20:43.51 | B0jangles | but no, not directly |
| 20:44.02 | B0jangles | I think somebody is working on a J2ME wrapper or something, I dunno |
| 20:44.25 | michaelnovakjr | any reason not to just write it for android? |
| 20:44.32 | michaelnovakjr | i am sure the performance would be better |
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| 20:46.18 | Tomasso | michaelnovakjr, the restriction is time :S |
| 20:46.36 | michaelnovakjr | you mean for the challenge? |
| 20:47.24 | Tomasso | no, its just a job we were required to do :S |
| 20:47.47 | Tomasso | i dont know if they are going to the chanllenge with that.. |
| 20:47.56 | michaelnovakjr | but if android is not going to be released for a while what's the rush? |
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| 21:19.12 | B0jangles | is there documentation somewhere on how to make an apk file? |
| 21:19.15 | B0jangles | can't seem to find it |
| 21:19.58 | davidw | err... the tutorial/ |
| 21:20.11 | davidw | has never really needed to remove an app... but how's it done? |
| 21:20.34 | B0jangles | Dunno...I've only ever used Run As and Debug As... |
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| 21:22.46 | zhobbs | davidw: rm the apk file from /data/app |
| 21:22.59 | davidw | really? man, tha'ts bogus:-) |
| 21:23.34 | B0jangles | Can I just grab the .apk file from /data/app/ to turn in for the Google ADC? |
| 21:23.58 | zhobbs | sure, or from your /bin folder in your project |
| 21:24.21 | B0jangles | woh, look at that |
| 21:24.22 | B0jangles | thanks |
| 21:24.49 | zhobbs | or right click on project and hit Android -> export apk or something |
| 21:25.32 | B0jangles | Excellent |
| 21:26.06 | B0jangles | Can I change the filename at all, or is it meaningful in some way |
| 21:26.07 | B0jangles | ? |
| 21:28.06 | morrildl | davidw: why is that bogus? |
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| 21:30.47 | davidw | morrildl, it'd be convenient to be able to do adb remove Foobar, or do it from the phone api |
| 21:31.03 | zhobbs | man, wish I could go to Google I/O...I'd like to go to some of those Android sessions |
| 21:31.15 | davidw | yeah, would be fun:-/ |
| 21:31.51 | morrildl | davidw: adb shell rm /data/app/Whatever.apk |
| 21:32.21 | morrildl | zhobbs, davidw: bummer :( |
| 21:33.15 | davidw | yeah, well, you may have all the cool developer things in california, but here in innsbruck we're enjoying some lovely sleet/rain and days of rain... |
| 21:33.44 | zhobbs | it's a trade-off :) |
| 21:50.07 | B0jangles | hmm, I've changed @drawable/icon.png, but it's still coming up as the Android A... |
| 21:50.14 | B0jangles | How do I change my app's icon? |
| 21:50.24 | raidfive | try giving it a different name |
| 21:50.37 | raidfive | it doesn't seem to recognize the change if you re-use the same name |
| 21:50.43 | B0jangles | ahj |
| 21:50.44 | B0jangles | ah |
| 21:50.48 | B0jangles | okay, I'll try that |
| 21:52.01 | B0jangles | Ah, that works |
| 21:52.02 | B0jangles | thanks |
| 21:54.43 | raidfive | no problem |
| 21:55.06 | raidfive | dunno if that is a bug I should report or not ... |
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| 22:11.53 | davidw | I wish there were a nice task manager associated with thing |
| 22:11.56 | davidw | the thing |
| 22:21.47 | jasta | with android? why? |
| 22:24.19 | davidw | I'm having troubles with runaway threads:-) |
| 22:24.25 | romainguy_ | davidw: it's called DDMS |
| 22:24.29 | jasta | then use DDMS |
| 22:24.45 | jasta | it can be used from within Eclipse as well. it's a perspective. |
| 22:24.48 | davidw | oops, forgot about that |
| 22:24.54 | davidw | thanks |
| 22:25.14 | jasta | the ADT plugin will also make it obvious in the debug perspective. |
| 22:25.29 | davidw | doesn't use eclipse |
| 22:25.43 | jasta | well that's no excuse not to use DDMS :) |
| 22:25.57 | romainguy_ | I use IntelliJ and DDMS :) |
| 22:26.21 | davidw | yeah, it's what I need, I'd just forgotten about it |
| 22:28.02 | jasta | romainguy_: so i'm going to I/O for sure, are you gonna be there at all? |
| 22:28.50 | romainguy_ | when is I/O? |
| 22:29.30 | romainguy_ | ah May 28 |
| 22:29.32 | romainguy_ | I'll be in France |
| 22:29.45 | romainguy_ | That sucks, I live two blocks from the Moscone |
| 22:33.24 | jasta | that does suck |
| 22:33.38 | romainguy_ | ah well, next year |
| 22:34.02 | romainguy_ | and I'm going to JavaOne early May, that will probbaly be enough conference for the month |
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| 22:34.52 | jasta | i've never been in San Francisco as an adult, I'm kind of excited. |
| 22:35.07 | michaelnovakjr | i have never been either |
| 22:35.14 | michaelnovakjr | i would love to make it out there |
| 22:36.40 | jasta | i have company at least, my buddy from loopt is going with me |
| 22:36.49 | jasta | and i'm crashing on his couch, so it's pretty cheap for me |
| 22:37.02 | michaelnovakjr | that works out |
| 22:39.10 | morrildl | one day davidw will forget about javac too, and ask "geez, it'd be nice if I could run this stuff somehow" ;) |
| 22:40.30 | morrildl | wishes everyone could come to Google IO |
| 22:40.40 | morrildl | we could have a big old IRC party |
| 22:40.48 | davidw | you use those compiler things? I just write out the binary code in ed, myself |
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| 22:41.27 | rcjsuen | Is ADT's source code online somewhere? |
| 22:41.31 | rcjsuen | (I don't mean the tarball) |
| 22:41.59 | romainguy_ | I think it is |
| 22:42.13 | romainguy_ | morrildl: Do you know if ADT's source is available? |
| 22:42.25 | morrildl | yeah ti is |
| 22:42.53 | rcjsuen | I'm not familiar with how Google Code sets up their project site, could you guys pass me a link? |
| 22:42.58 | morrildl | http://code.google.com/p/android/downloads/list |
| 22:43.11 | rcjsuen | morrildl: See above, I don't mean the tarball. |
| 22:43.26 | rcjsuen | To clarify, I meant SCM access. |
| 22:43.58 | romainguy_ | I don't think there's anything else other than the tarball |
| 22:43.59 | morrildl | rcjsuen: ahh -- the source for ADT is not currently loaded into an SCM |
| 22:44.04 | romainguy_ | What's wrong with the tarball? |
| 22:44.06 | rcjsuen | How unfortunate. |
| 22:44.15 | morrildl | the source for the kernel stuff is on a git repo |
| 22:44.19 | rcjsuen | romainguy_: I was hoping to help submit patches. I guess not then. ;) |
| 22:44.32 | rcjsuen | Is this "in the plan"? |
| 22:44.47 | morrildl | definitely, though eventually :) |
| 22:45.25 | morrildl | rcjsuen: currently the SCM system is our usual internal setup |
| 22:45.45 | morrildl | when we release the source, one of the big tasks (possibly THE biggest) will be migrating to some kind of public infrastructure |
| 22:45.50 | morrildl | we don't yet know what that will look like |
| 22:46.00 | morrildl | could be svn, could be git, etc. |
| 22:48.06 | davidw | git seems to be gaining in popularity these days |
| 22:48.20 | davidw | is pretty conservative about scm systems though |
| 22:48.48 | romainguy_ | things like git or mercurial are pretty awesome for large scale projects |
| 22:48.51 | f00f- | i wouldnt be suprised if you used something like codeville :) |
| 22:48.51 | romainguy_ | especially public ones |
| 22:50.33 | rcjsuen | morrildl: Thanks for the info. |
| 22:51.22 | morrildl | rcjsuen: np |
| 22:51.33 | davidw | uses svn these days |
| 22:51.35 | rcjsuen | I shall revisit Android when that happens then. ;) |
| 22:51.40 | morrildl | rcjsuen: thanks :) |
| 22:51.51 | morrildl | keep an eye on our blog, that will be where it's announced |
| 22:52.02 | rcjsuen | Okilydokily :) |
| 22:52.07 | rcjsuen | Have a nice weekend everyone :) |
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| 22:52.23 | morrildl | svn is nice |
| 22:52.36 | michaelnovakjr | indeed...i use svn for all my projects |
| 22:52.41 | morrildl | Ben Collins-Sussman and Brian Fitzpatrick work on Google Code Project Hosting |
| 22:52.56 | jerkface03 | anyone know wherei can find a large image of the green android? |
| 22:53.05 | jerkface03 | possibly a vector-based one? |
| 22:53.16 | morrildl | jerkface03: oddly enough, wikipedia |
| 22:53.42 | jerkface03 | osnap |
| 22:53.43 | jerkface03 | thx |
| 22:54.10 | Beryllium | is the android emulator dog-slow for anyone else? I wonder if my computer's just too slow to handle it |
| 22:54.17 | morrildl | jerkface03: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Android-logo.svg |
| 22:54.27 | jerkface03 | after this presentation im done. im going to chuck in my submission |
| 22:54.27 | jerkface03 | morrildl: got it. thanks. |
| 22:54.27 | davidw | morrildl, didn't greg stein do some of the integration between the google filesystem thing and svn? |
| 22:54.36 | davidw | that's what I recall from oscon a few years back |
| 22:54.54 | morrildl | davidw: Greg is a DAV guy, IIRC |
| 22:55.17 | morrildl | davidw: but it would be plausible that he's worked with the svn guys |
| 22:55.21 | morrildl | he's on the same general team |
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| 22:56.38 | morrildl | wishes someone would tidy up the Wikipedia page on Android |
| 22:57.20 | morrildl | I can't do it b/c I doubt Googlers editing that page would pass Wikipedia's "NPOV" muster :) |
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| 23:00.25 | duey | ill do it |
| 23:00.37 | morrildl | duey: cooooooooool |
| 23:00.42 | duey | what needs changing? |
| 23:00.49 | romainguy_ | duey: Look at the discussion page |
| 23:00.51 | morrildl | funny you should ask ;) |
| 23:00.55 | duey | Ok |
| 23:01.19 | morrildl | mostly it just reads to me like it's pretty short on facts but long on criticism |
| 23:01.29 | duey | typical |
| 23:01.32 | morrildl | yeah |
| 23:01.40 | morrildl | when wikipedia articles are good, they're really good |
| 23:01.48 | morrildl | the Symbian article looks pretty decent, for instance |
| 23:02.08 | romainguy_ | morrildl: the day I discovered how good wikipedia can be is the day when I read the French article on wheelbarrels |
| 23:02.17 | morrildl | ... |
| 23:02.20 | duey | lol |
| 23:02.25 | duey | they probably just use google translate |
| 23:02.29 | morrildl | romainguy_: I'm intrigued by your ideas, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter |
| 23:02.34 | duey | maybe you should tell the translate team to improve there stuff |
| 23:02.52 | morrildl | what IS the french word for wheelbarrow? |
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| 23:04.12 | davidw | Brouette, according to some web site with language tool features |
| 23:05.00 | morrildl | http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brouette |
| 23:05.01 | morrildl | yeah |
| 23:05.05 | morrildl | that's gotta be it all right |
| 23:05.10 | morrildl | that's........... comprehensive. |
| 23:05.31 | duey | yeah this aricle is fail |
| 23:05.45 | duey | more references than content |
| 23:05.55 | romainguy_ | morrildl: indeed, it's very comprehensive :)) |
| 23:06.17 | morrildl | duey: yeah. Do any of the references actually link to code.google.com? :) |
| 23:06.23 | romainguy_ | morrildl: the equations are scary :) |
| 23:06.36 | duey | wow wtf |
| 23:06.43 | duey | equaions on a page on wheel barrows? |
| 23:06.50 | romainguy_ | yes |
| 23:06.56 | romainguy_ | (duh, barrow, not barrel...) |
| 23:07.00 | morrildl | romainguy_: I was about to say "they're not that scary" |
| 23:07.08 | romainguy_ | morrildl: the equations themselves, no |
| 23:07.13 | romainguy_ | morrildl: but in the context... |
| 23:07.21 | morrildl | but then I realized that you were saying that it was scary they are there at all :) |
| 23:07.35 | morrildl | and then I slapped my inner physics major and told him to sit down and be quiet |
| 23:08.11 | duey | interesting ip: 75.18.134.255 |
| 23:08.16 | duey | didn't know you could have 255 |
| 23:09.45 | f00f- | duey: i've seen .0 also |
| 23:09.51 | duey | wow |
| 23:09.58 | f00f- | it's legal depending on the netmask/CIDR bits |
| 23:10.00 | morrildl | whose IP is .255? |
| 23:10.13 | duey | morrildl, it was one on the edit history |
| 23:10.17 | morrildl | ahh |
| 23:10.19 | duey | just 255 is broadcast.. |
| 23:10.31 | morrildl | the huge whiny comment on the talk page at hte bottom was me |
| 23:10.44 | morrildl | ...just by way of full disclosure :) |
| 23:10.59 | duey | yeah i figured |
| 23:11.19 | duey | im not familiar with the wikipedia rules |
| 23:11.24 | duey | can i mark an article for improvement |
| 23:11.30 | duey | who does it need to be discussed first |
| 23:11.48 | morrildl | duey: so yeah, we'll expect the Android article to be up to the same standards as the French brouette article by Monday. |
| 23:11.52 | morrildl | ;) |
| 23:11.54 | morrildl | I don't think so |
| 23:11.55 | duey | haha |
| 23:11.59 | morrildl | I think you can just edit it |
| 23:12.08 | morrildl | *I* didn't edit it because I'm hardly neutral |
| 23:12.17 | duey | yeah doesn't look good |
| 23:12.24 | duey | could edit it from home i guess |
| 23:12.31 | jerkface03 | You may not be neutral, but that doesn't mean you can't write with a NPOV |
| 23:12.43 | morrildl | yeah, but that would only make me harder to catch, not less evil |
| 23:12.52 | duey | true |
| 23:13.07 | morrildl | jerkface03: true, but there's also a specific prohibition against editing articles on your own publications/work |
| 23:13.16 | morrildl | aimed primarily at scientists, but arguably applicable to me in this case |
| 23:13.35 | morrildl | or at least, so I understand |
| 23:14.11 | davidw | I bet darth vader gave into temptation and edited his own Empirepedia article |
| 23:14.23 | morrildl | If I had to choose between doing my taxes and figuring out Wikipedia's rules, I'd pick Wikipedia, but just barely |
| 23:14.33 | morrildl | davidw: hahaha, no doubt |
| 23:14.55 | morrildl | whatever you do, don't go to wookieepedia.com |
| 23:15.05 | duey | this reads like a five year old describing what they have done |
| 23:15.06 | davidw | not messing with it sounds like a better course of action.... that's the kind of thing sites like slashdot feed on "Google caught manipulating wikipedia!!!111111" |
| 23:15.13 | morrildl | davidw: exactly |
| 23:15.20 | morrildl | duey: hahahahaha |
| 23:19.24 | duey | he neutrality and factual accuracy of this article are disputed. |
| 23:19.29 | duey | or |
| 23:19.29 | duey | The neutrality of this article is disputed. |
| 23:21.52 | duey | ok ill markit as cleanup and dicuss the rest |
| 23:27.08 | morrildl | duey: cool :) |
| 23:27.17 | duey | don't have the time to fix it atm |
| 23:27.26 | duey | 3 assignments and android :( |
| 23:27.54 | davidw | ok, sleep time |
| 23:28.25 | morrildl | davidw: see ya |
| 23:28.41 | morrildl | duey: hey, wikipedia works on many many small steps :) |
| 23:29.03 | duey | yeah |
| 23:29.08 | duey | but i agree thats a really poor article |
| 23:30.33 | morrildl | duey: thanks :) |
| 23:30.36 | morrildl | gotta run, all |
| 23:39.26 | jasta | what are we talking about? wikipedia? |
| 23:39.41 | michaelnovakjr | yes, i believe wikipedi |
| 23:39.57 | jasta | but what about it? |
| 23:40.32 | michaelnovakjr | android stuff on it i believe |
| 23:40.32 | romainguy_ | Android's article |
| 23:41.04 | jasta | oh, Wikipedia is ridiculous for any recently introduced technology |
| 23:41.54 | michaelnovakjr | pretty much |
| 23:44.36 | jasta | i wonder if we're eligible to participate in both ADC events with the same app? |
| 23:44.43 | jasta | assuming you didn't win the first time |
| 23:44.54 | michaelnovakjr | what do you mean? |
| 23:45.26 | jasta | well, if i don't win the qualifying round coming up, i wonder if i'll be able to wait until the next challenge and compete again, but this time wiht a much, much more advanced application ;) |
| 23:45.52 | michaelnovakjr | i see what you mean' |
| 23:45.53 | jasta | potentially even one that is actually used and supported by a wide community |
| 23:46.06 | michaelnovakjr | interesting |
| 23:46.12 | romainguy_ | I thought the round 2 was only for the winners of round 1 |
| 23:46.18 | jasta | because, win or not, i will develop my application to maturity. |
| 23:46.28 | romainguy_ | "The 50 entries with the highest scores in Phase 2 judging will move on to Round 2 of the Challenge where they could potentially win awards of up to $275,000 USD. The participants who submitted these 50 entries will also receive the $25,000 USD Round 1 prizes, provided they successfully complete the paperwork requirements described below." |
| 23:46.34 | jasta | romainguy_: That's for the first challenge. There are 2 challenges, each with 2 rounds. |
| 23:46.53 | romainguy_ | ah ok |
| 23:46.55 | romainguy_ | so 2 challenges |
| 23:47.01 | jasta | One that is happening now, and one that is to happen once devices are commercially available. |
| 23:47.01 | romainguy_ | first challenge with 2 rounds |
| 23:47.05 | romainguy_ | and the first round has 2 phases |
| 23:47.07 | romainguy_ | /o\ |
| 23:48.16 | jasta | well think about it, if you total those numbers (10 @ $275, 10 @ $100, and 50 @ $25), you only get 5 million. |
| 23:48.24 | jasta | Exactly half the prize money Google is giving away :) |
| 23:48.44 | romainguy_ | I'm not here to do maths ^^ |
| 23:49.08 | jasta | I'm not sure if the second challenge will have the same exact rules, but it would seem to have the same cash payout. |
| 23:49.16 | romainguy_ | looks like it |
| 23:49.27 | romainguy_ | I wish I could participate ^^ |
| 23:49.30 | jasta | regardless, my question is whether a non-qualifying submission now will disqualify future submissions in the second challenge. |
| 23:49.57 | jasta | i assume not, and therefore losing developers of this first challenge have the opportunity to reapply with an app that has like 7 more months of development on it. |
| 23:51.20 | *** join/#android Ix-Xitan (n=Mutex@78.133.61.185) |
| 23:52.24 | Ix-Xitan | hi people i have a problem i need to use RDF with Android and so i tried to use Jena API but in a normal Java program it works but when i come to use it from an android application it gives an error please any ideas ? |
| 23:53.05 | jasta | YAYY!!!!! http://blog.pocketjourney.com/ |
| 23:55.21 | jasta | such a kludgey hack, but i will probably incorporate this so my app actually works when i submit it |
| 23:55.34 | duey | romainguy_, im glad you cannot participate! |
| 23:55.58 | michaelnovakjr | why |
| 23:56.20 | duey | cause he would probably win |
| 23:56.29 | duey | bbl |
