| 00:00.18 | chomchom | I'll be looking for peeps to help with my project if you are interested |
| 00:00.44 | acsia | we ll c, I am in the look out as well |
| 00:01.04 | chomchom | heh, I bet everyone will be |
| 00:01.17 | chomchom | After the submission will be an excellent time to recruit. |
| 00:01.40 | acsia | after the 5th of may I would say ;) |
| 00:02.55 | chomchom | Before it even, pre empt the competition |
| 00:03.42 | acsia | sure |
| 00:04.02 | acsia | do we have a number of applied projects? or number of people working on android? |
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| 00:04.56 | chomchom | 1billion |
| 00:05.02 | chomchom | its anyones guess |
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| 00:11.34 | f00f- | bear sterns is coming out with an android banking application |
| 00:12.58 | chomchom | really? :) |
| 00:13.42 | f00f- | no, but it'd push up their stock price |
| 00:14.45 | acsia | all companies will move towards mobil application sooner or later |
| 00:15.05 | f00f- | well most already have |
| 00:15.09 | f00f- | even in the US |
| 00:15.14 | f00f- | Citibank has a J2ME app |
| 00:15.25 | f00f- | ROW is 10 years ahead of course |
| 00:15.29 | acsia | and we ll be talking around champagne glasses on the french riviera, remembering those moments before the end of the ADC |
| 00:15.31 | f00f- | but US is catching up :) |
| 00:15.37 | chomchom | I think it's the other way around. Applications are just becoming more mobile as software and hardware becomes smaller. |
| 00:15.39 | f00f- | absolutely! |
| 00:15.52 | acsia | ROW? |
| 00:16.00 | f00f- | Rest Of the World |
| 00:16.04 | acsia | ha |
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| 00:52.11 | chomchom | You still there acsia? |
| 00:52.51 | chomchom | Feel that coffee power running through your veins? |
| 00:52.53 | acsia | yep |
| 00:53.12 | acsia | nearly there |
| 00:53.55 | chomchom | you can manage another hour. |
| 00:55.12 | acsia | I will give it a try but something break in my app and I am a bit scared |
| 00:57.05 | chomchom | yeah I've had that twice tonight |
| 00:57.47 | chomchom | Theres always a few moments of, dread. Thinking that you'll never find out the problem. And then there it is. |
| 01:03.40 | f00f- | ya |
| 01:20.08 | jasta | chomchom: you lack self-confidence :) |
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| 01:33.02 | chomchom | My confidence is through the roof my friend, failure fears me. Or at least it's sick of seeing me. :) |
| 01:33.16 | jasta | whatever you say. |
| 01:33.43 | chomchom | How the app coming along jasta? |
| 01:34.09 | jasta | great, actually. i figured out a good work-around for the streaming bug in M5, so now playback actually works as the user would expect |
| 01:34.21 | chomchom | sweet |
| 01:34.22 | jasta | though it stutters when it restarts the mediaplayer |
| 01:35.08 | jasta | i'm still toying with a UI idea though. i'm thinking about making it so that when you click a song to play, and a playlist is already playing, the song will default be enqueued but a little slider will animate in indicating that the song was queued |
| 01:35.20 | jasta | then tuck away. if you press the row again, it will slide out, offering more options |
| 01:35.39 | jasta | like to play immediately, enqueue next (instead of last), remove from queue, etc. |
| 01:35.46 | jasta | just a little tray of icons basically |
| 01:36.14 | jasta | all of these options would also be available if you long click the row. but i feel like this little icon tray might be more pleasing to use. |
| 01:36.27 | chomchom | Well although I can't speak specifically about your app, I reckon the average user will expect immediate return from an action |
| 01:36.35 | chomchom | rather than having it deffered |
| 01:36.48 | jasta | right, which is why i'm using the slider bar. |
| 01:37.10 | jasta | when you click a song that gets enqueued, a bar will animate in basically saying "enqueued". pressing it again will offer more options to play now, etc. |
| 01:37.12 | chomchom | theres a "long touch" right? |
| 01:37.40 | jasta | the iPod works with instant gratification; that is, you click, you play. the problem with this approach is obvious though. if the user is listening to music already, odds are they are wanting to play the selected song NEXT, not *now*. |
| 01:37.47 | chomchom | coudl you not make it when the user puts a long touch on it you get options or you could push a ghosted image into the playlist? |
| 01:38.23 | jasta | chomchom: i'm planning to make the long click offer all the same options that the little bar offers. play now, eqneue next or last, stop, remove, etc. |
| 01:38.28 | jasta | what do you mean by ghosted image? |
| 01:38.48 | jasta | keep in mind, i'm willing to bend here. i'm struggling to think of an interface that will both work well and not be confusing. |
| 01:39.02 | jasta | this approach was just my first idea that seemed to satisfy. |
| 01:39.04 | chomchom | well for feedbacks sake when you pick up an icon on ui's usually it offers a trasparency of the thing you picked up |
| 01:39.19 | chomchom | that moves with your cursor |
| 01:39.26 | chomchom | or your finger in this case |
| 01:39.32 | jasta | i think you're imagining my app looks different than it does ;) |
| 01:39.42 | jasta | the user doesn't pick up and drag songs, at least not from this screen. |
| 01:39.46 | chomchom | yeah probably |
| 01:40.12 | jasta | if i get this one feature working right, i will be ready to record my demo video :) |
| 01:40.53 | chomchom | Yay! well stop talking.. and go do |
| 01:41.20 | jasta | i was recording it last night when i had this idea actually, and decided to sop for the chance to implement it :) |
| 01:41.25 | jasta | stop* |
| 01:41.39 | jasta | before i just had a little bubble appear with a number in it indicating the queued position. |
| 01:41.48 | jasta | that interface was very bad. |
| 01:56.07 | michaelnovakjr | aaaaahhhhhh |
| 01:56.23 | michaelnovakjr | i am getting a nullpointer exception as my app starts up now |
| 01:58.37 | morrildl | michaelnovakjr: is there more detail than that? |
| 01:59.00 | michaelnovakjr | nothing much than that |
| 01:59.20 | michaelnovakjr | i was throwing in some log calls and the onActivityResult never gets called |
| 01:59.38 | michaelnovakjr | the only thing going on in the onCreate is the setting of the content view |
| 02:03.11 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: adb logcat? |
| 02:03.26 | jasta | whenever exceptions make it up to the UI, the call stack is printed. its useful. |
| 02:05.36 | michaelnovakjr | http://pastebin.com/m31fd6595 |
| 02:05.41 | michaelnovakjr | that is my logcat |
| 02:06.54 | jasta | is your ListView empty, but specifying wrap_content for width or height? |
| 02:07.29 | michaelnovakjr | if the ListView is empty i have it set to display a label saying Nothing Here! |
| 02:08.53 | morrildl | er |
| 02:08.55 | morrildl | neat |
| 02:09.01 | michaelnovakjr | neat? |
| 02:09.15 | morrildl | ListView.java:951 is a blank line |
| 02:09.21 | michaelnovakjr | oh fun :) |
| 02:09.22 | morrildl | M3 or M5? |
| 02:09.24 | michaelnovakjr | m5 |
| 02:09.33 | jasta | rc14/15? |
| 02:10.04 | morrildl | assuming it "meant" line 950, then it's a null Adapter |
| 02:14.23 | michaelnovakjr | ListAdapter maybe? |
| 02:14.27 | morrildl | If you can get the debugger to do a breakpoint at ListView.setAdapter(ListAdapter), step into it and see if you are calling setAdapter() with null |
| 02:14.32 | morrildl | yes exactly |
| 02:14.43 | michaelnovakjr | ok |
| 02:15.02 | morrildl | setAdapter(null) is getting called, and then ListView is blowing up in onMeasure |
| 02:17.30 | morrildl | that's the only location in the class where it gets set |
| 02:17.37 | morrildl | (in setAdapter()) |
| 02:19.09 | morrildl | FWIW, that crash is fixed in current source |
| 02:19.30 | michaelnovakjr | mAdapter is null in the debugger |
| 02:19.41 | morrildl | that's the field |
| 02:20.32 | michaelnovakjr | how come its setting null? |
| 02:20.55 | morrildl | somebody somewhere is calling setAdapter(null) |
| 02:21.07 | morrildl | ...or possibly never calling setAdapter at all |
| 02:21.38 | morrildl | setAdapter() appears to be the only codepath that can set mAdapter |
| 02:21.39 | michaelnovakjr | i set the list adapter in the result method |
| 02:23.35 | jasta | sigh, why does RelativeLayout always screw everything up :) |
| 02:23.48 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 02:24.08 | michaelnovakjr | i moved the code up and I still get the null exception..... except this time the list populates :) |
| 02:24.15 | michaelnovakjr | i am going to run the debugger again |
| 02:24.39 | jasta | morrildl: got a second to help me with a couple of ui problems? |
| 02:26.59 | michaelnovakjr | wtf it works now |
| 02:27.27 | morrildl | jasta: sure |
| 02:27.53 | f00f- | do we know if the judges will be using the mouse or joystick to move around the screen? |
| 02:28.01 | jasta | morrildl: if i had a layout roughly like: |
| 02:28.24 | morrildl | f00f-: they'll be using emulators, so: mouse |
| 02:28.38 | f00f- | morrildl: ok, just that there are still the diretional buttons :) |
| 02:28.45 | f00f- | but mouse is good news indeed |
| 02:28.55 | jasta | <RelativeLayout width=fill height=wrap> <LinearLayout width=fill height=wrap> ...lots... </LinearLayout> <TextView width=wrap height=fill background=something /> </RelativeLayout |
| 02:29.15 | f00f- | but i wonder how the mouse can be used with a TimePicker :( |
| 02:29.19 | jasta | why would TextView's height seem to be contrained to the height of the drawn text and not to the height of the LinearLayout? |
| 02:30.13 | jasta | what i expected height=fill in the TextView to do would be to use the height of the LinearLayout, measured at run time, which is guaranteed to be greater than the textview by itself |
| 02:30.26 | jasta | rather, than the textviews natural height, as i would get with height=wrap |
| 02:30.46 | jasta | morrildl: thoughts? |
| 02:32.31 | jasta | if it makes any difference, TextView has layout_alignParentRight="true". The effect is that I want a sticky label to draw on the right hand side, over whatever is underneath as specified by the LinearLayout |
| 02:34.38 | romainguy__ | jasta: use alignParentTop and alignParentBottom = true |
| 02:34.55 | jasta | oh, thanks :) |
| 02:36.05 | jasta | well, now that you're here...my second question was how to create a shape drawable in code and set it to the background of anotehr view. specifically, how to set the solid fill color. |
| 02:36.21 | jasta | i tried ShapeDrawable.setColor, but it seems to have had no effect. |
| 02:36.37 | romainguy__ | just set the paint |
| 02:37.03 | jasta | of the view itself? |
| 02:37.10 | romainguy__ | no |
| 02:37.13 | romainguy__ | on the shapedrawable |
| 02:37.41 | jasta | i don't see a way to do that |
| 02:38.00 | romainguy__ | shapeDrawable.getPaint().setColor(...) |
| 02:38.06 | jasta | ahh, ok |
| 02:38.21 | jasta | wait, there is no getPaint |
| 02:38.27 | morrildl | yeah that was totally a romainguy question :) |
| 02:38.36 | romainguy__ | well there is in my version :) |
| 02:38.42 | romainguy__ | in M5 ShapeDrawable was barely started |
| 02:38.43 | jasta | hehe |
| 02:38.53 | romainguy__ | don't use a ShapeDrawable then |
| 02:39.03 | jasta | setColor does work anyway, i was just being dense. |
| 02:39.32 | romainguy__ | you could also use PaintDrawable |
| 02:40.01 | jasta | alignParentTop and Bottom seem to not have affected my other issue. |
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| 02:47.23 | jasta | romainguy__: something is unusual about this. using simply alignParentBottom=true doesn't do what i'd expect. |
| 02:47.30 | jasta | it just placed it in the top left, as though i specified no alignment |
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| 02:55.05 | Kraln | this might seem like a silly question |
| 02:55.12 | Kraln | but how does one 'deploy' an android application? |
| 02:56.50 | jasta | currently, you distribute an apk file, to be installed with adb install. |
| 02:57.29 | jasta | There is no end-user distribution mechanism currently defined by the Android platform. Expect that to change, but don't expect Google to reveal precisely how. |
| 02:58.45 | Kraln | and the apk is generated in the build process? or |
| 02:59.04 | jasta | yes, the apk is the final product of all the android build tools. |
| 02:59.19 | jasta | of the collection of them, i mean |
| 03:01.24 | jasta | romainguy__: this is interesting. using layout_centerInParent, the view is centered horizontally, then placed half way off the top edge of the rest of the layout |
| 03:02.07 | jasta | i bet this is baseline alignment |
| 03:02.26 | jasta | nope :\ |
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| 03:17.36 | chomchom | ok acxia you may sleep |
| 03:18.01 | chomchom | acsia even |
| 03:18.28 | chomchom | I will now also crawl to bed. |
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| 03:36.31 | SANiK | How the hell does one close an app on android os? |
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| 03:42.43 | jerkface03 | System.exit |
| 03:42.52 | SANiK | No no - when using the interface |
| 03:43.04 | SANiK | Apps appear as acons in a stack on the top right - is this the taskbar or history |
| 03:43.18 | michaelnovakjr | you'd have to write a method to call the System.exit |
| 03:43.36 | michaelnovakjr | then connect it to your interface |
| 03:44.00 | SANiK | heh - *sigh* - not programming anything |
| 03:44.02 | SANiK | Just using it |
| 03:44.41 | SANiK | Click the browser and then go to the home screen of the phone - the browser is still open for example |
| 03:44.46 | SANiK | And shows as an icon in the top right |
| 03:45.50 | SANiK | I'm just wondering how does one close the app (as a user) since there doesn't appear to be an 'X' button |
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| 03:49.07 | muthu | Wed Apr 9 09:11:57 IST 2008 |
| 03:50.51 | SANiK | *poke* |
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| 03:54.58 | muthu | sanik the user hits the back button |
| 03:55.15 | SANiK | The apps goes on the top right stack |
| 03:55.33 | SANiK | Now is that the app history (for reference) |
| 03:55.41 | SANiK | or is that a taskbar (currently running apps) |
| 03:56.02 | SANiK | app* |
| 03:56.23 | michaelnovakjr | history |
| 03:57.13 | SANiK | Is there a way to clear the history? |
| 03:57.51 | muthu | no |
| 03:57.56 | muthu | i don't think so |
| 03:58.06 | jasta | SANiK: why would there be? think carefully about why you'd need or want to do that. |
| 03:58.18 | jasta | or why you'd specifically want to manage the process lifecycle of running apps. isn't that the platforms job? |
| 03:59.02 | SANiK | Well true that - that's the whole point of Java's garbage collection anyways |
| 03:59.17 | muthu | android doesn't like the close button ;) |
| 03:59.20 | jasta | no, that has absolutely nothing to do with this. |
| 03:59.59 | SANiK | Yes it is - it's just a little java thing that caused an inspiration in the OS's design |
| 04:00.13 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
| 04:00.22 | SANiK | <jasta> or why you'd specifically want to manage the process lifecycle of running apps. isn't that the platforms job? << in ref. to that |
| 04:00.28 | jasta | ugh. i don't have the energy to give you the severe cluebat beating that you so clearly need. |
| 04:00.36 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 04:01.01 | SANiK | jasta, uhuh - I like how Android looks all fancy and stuff |
| 04:01.09 | SANiK | But a lot of the shit they'll have to down-right disable |
| 04:01.33 | muthu | sanik like what? |
| 04:01.42 | SANiK | muthu - transparency |
| 04:01.52 | SANiK | Or the swish-swoosh crap with the menus |
| 04:02.07 | michaelnovakjr | what are you talking about |
| 04:02.14 | SANiK | disable as in, "provide options to customize" those features |
| 04:02.18 | michaelnovakjr | they are transitions..... why would they have to be disabled? |
| 04:02.30 | muthu | hmm.. UI is a work in progress |
| 04:02.37 | SANiK | michaelnovakjr ... cause not everyone is rich and snobby as you are |
| 04:02.37 | muthu | it'll improve a lot |
| 04:02.48 | michaelnovakjr | what is that supposed to mean? |
| 04:02.51 | SANiK | maybe I have a 20 Mhz phone and not a 300 Mhz one |
| 04:03.21 | muthu | sdk is evolving.. so major improvements on the way |
| 04:03.23 | michaelnovakjr | in that case you'd need more than disabled transitions |
| 04:03.46 | jasta | the modern Linux kernel would have a hard time running on a 20MHz processor :) |
| 04:03.59 | jasta | the Dalvik VM would especially. |
| 04:04.23 | SANiK | jasta - they have a Java VM running on the GBA |
| 04:05.04 | michaelnovakjr | 20MHz is a very slow processor |
| 04:05.15 | michaelnovakjr | you'd be frustrated in a day if you could actually get it to run |
| 04:05.43 | jasta | anyway, i really gotta get back to coding or i won't be done by the 14th :) |
| 04:05.48 | SANiK | x-D |
| 04:05.51 | SANiK | What's your app? |
| 04:05.54 | jasta | later folks |
| 04:06.03 | SANiK | Ahh - no goody info =) |
| 04:06.12 | muthu | code away jasta |
| 04:06.27 | SANiK | I didn't even know about the contest till now |
| 04:06.32 | SANiK | Too late I guess |
| 04:06.49 | muthu | there's challenge II |
| 04:06.59 | SANiK | I was gonnah port this old thing I wrote which basicly allows one to select an object in a picture, and the program would back-propogate to find the "definition" of the object |
| 04:07.11 | SANiK | e.g., one highlights a picture of an apple and it'd say "apple" |
| 04:07.17 | muthu | you can still do it |
| 04:07.24 | SANiK | Useful for finding names for things one doesn't remember |
| 04:07.43 | SANiK | muthu - I program in C and the AI engine is very exhaustive |
| 04:08.02 | SANiK | It basicly creates a 3D model and keeps deforming it until a match is found with the picture |
| 04:08.37 | SANiK | After the "best" match is found - the 3D mesh is searched through a database of items to find the definition |
| 04:08.48 | muthu | wow.. cool |
| 04:08.56 | SANiK | Java is not a very ... fast language |
| 04:09.19 | SANiK | So I expect the 20 second delay would take 30 minutes on a PC compared to a 2.1 Ghz pc |
| 04:09.32 | SANiK | on a phone compared* |
| 04:09.47 | SANiK | Anyways I'm out - peacers |
| 04:11.05 | jasta | what an absolute idiot ;) |
| 04:11.17 | michaelnovakjr | definitely |
| 04:12.08 | muthu | really cool games for android - http://www.vimeo.com/875115 |
| 04:12.24 | muthu | looks faster |
| 04:12.44 | muthu | this is a winner |
| 04:16.06 | jasta | muthu: that does look nice, though i dont understand the whole "create your own game" bit. |
| 04:16.48 | muthu | yeah.. but the graphics, speed etc., are nice |
| 04:17.21 | jasta | yeah, nice work. |
| 04:17.32 | jasta | though the only game that they showed which i woul dplay is the arkanoid-type one |
| 04:17.35 | jasta | i love that game :) |
| 04:18.06 | raidfive | yea that is the only one that interested me too :) |
| 04:19.00 | jasta | i really want someone to port a super monkey ball like game where you roll the ball around with the accelerometer |
| 04:19.10 | jasta | that would be great |
| 04:19.14 | muthu | the games are pushing the limits |
| 04:19.30 | jasta | are they? |
| 04:19.53 | muthu | from an UI experience |
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| 04:33.58 | Kraln | I don't see that as a winner |
| 04:34.03 | Kraln | that's not doing anything 'new' with the platofrm |
| 04:34.12 | jasta | yeah, i have to agree. it's not that exciting. |
| 04:34.18 | jasta | seems like quality work, for sure |
| 04:34.22 | jasta | but, so what? :) |
| 04:34.46 | Kraln | yeah, nothing new |
| 04:34.56 | muthu | come on.. every app cannot do something new |
| 04:35.08 | muthu | some games needs to be picked |
| 04:35.08 | jasta | Kraln: yeah, and more importantly, it seems trivial. |
| 04:35.13 | Kraln | muthu: I don't see why not? |
| 04:35.14 | jasta | anyone could sit down and write a game. |
| 04:35.16 | muthu | so they'll pick a well done game |
| 04:35.32 | Kraln | I figure they'll pick a game that uses the location services to generate the game world based on things around the player |
| 04:35.38 | Kraln | not some hackneyed game creator thingy |
| 04:35.40 | muthu | krain: the apps needs to be appealing to end users |
| 04:35.42 | jasta | muthu: those games aren't that well done either. |
| 04:35.49 | muthu | not necessarily ground breaking and innovative |
| 04:35.53 | jasta | they're not crap, but not that well done :) |
| 04:35.55 | Kraln | muthu: I disagree. |
| 04:36.08 | Kraln | I think they need to be appealing to end users AND ground breaking/innovative |
| 04:36.09 | muthu | jasta: it looks good from what i've seen submitted for adc |
| 04:36.25 | jasta | muthu: a lot of ADC submissions that folks are showing are crap. the winners won't be crap, i'm sure :) |
| 04:36.33 | muthu | there was this other game i don't remember (car races), but it was slow |
| 04:36.44 | muthu | i |
| 04:36.50 | jasta | you know that the emulator doesn't have 3D accel right? |
| 04:36.50 | Kraln | honestly if I thought a crap game collection would win I'd port my gba/nds stuff |
| 04:36.57 | muthu | jasta: i'm submitting crap, hope they pick my crap ;) |
| 04:37.04 | jasta | what is yours again? |
| 04:37.19 | muthu | jasta: mine? |
| 04:37.23 | jasta | yeah |
| 04:37.32 | muthu | i'm doing a cooking show |
| 04:37.39 | muthu | not my idea though |
| 04:37.48 | jasta | say what? |
| 04:38.07 | muthu | yeah.. pretty boring |
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| 04:38.21 | jasta | i dont get it? a cooking "show'? |
| 04:38.31 | romainguy | re |
| 04:38.37 | Kraln | I'm working on something innovative & ground breaking - you might even say, disruptive *chuckles* |
| 04:38.39 | muthu | found a design partner through forums and we are collaborating for the ADC |
| 04:38.44 | jasta | romainguy: I never managed to make that layout we discussed earlier work. |
| 04:38.51 | muthu | krain: what's it? |
| 04:39.16 | Kraln | muthu: location aware chat services |
| 04:39.24 | muthu | the mobile search engine is something we develop for our company, but that's only due in june |
| 04:39.42 | muthu | krain: ther's tons of LBS apps |
| 04:39.46 | Kraln | LBS? |
| 04:39.50 | muthu | location based |
| 04:40.08 | muthu | mornin romain |
| 04:40.21 | muthu | location based blogging, chatting, dating |
| 04:40.22 | Kraln | sure. but as long as I stick my head in the sand I can say confidently that mine is the best |
| 04:40.31 | muthu | lol |
| 04:40.35 | muthu | that's what i do |
| 04:41.00 | jasta | i am pretty proud of how my app is developer, actually. |
| 04:41.00 | Kraln | link me to one of the lbs chatting apps? |
| 04:41.02 | muthu | jasta: yeah, cooking buddy |
| 04:41.10 | jasta | developing* |
| 04:41.19 | muthu | but my partner is so secretive and trademarked a lot of stuff ;) |
| 04:41.35 | muthu | which i find highly entertaining |
| 04:41.44 | Kraln | stuff can be trademarked without registering it ... |
| 04:41.59 | muthu | yeah |
| 04:42.19 | muthu | ideas doesn't matter anyways |
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| 04:43.17 | muthu | so my cooking show is going beat the crap out of you folks :-D |
| 04:43.20 | Kraln | do you have any links to those LBS chatting stuff? |
| 04:43.27 | muthu | elimatta.com |
| 04:43.32 | muthu | myloki.com |
| 04:43.35 | muthu | rummble.com |
| 04:43.37 | muthu | mosio.com |
| 04:44.02 | muthu | mobeegal.in (this is mine, and in development) |
| 04:44.27 | Kraln | hmm |
| 04:44.38 | muthu | loopt.com |
| 04:44.50 | jasta | one of my best friends works for loopt.com |
| 04:45.21 | muthu | verizon is offering loopt for a monthly subscription, if i remember right |
| 04:45.31 | jasta | i know ;) |
| 04:45.37 | muthu | yeah, loopt is ahead.. they were early. |
| 04:45.47 | muthu | and YCombinator helps |
| 04:46.05 | Kraln | hmm |
| 04:46.11 | Kraln | none of those are exactly what I'm offering |
| 04:46.32 | muthu | location based chat is what elimatta does |
| 04:46.36 | muthu | rummble does |
| 04:47.02 | muthu | once you find friends, then you chat |
| 04:47.13 | Kraln | I think mine looks the most like loopt |
| 04:47.29 | jasta | loopt is pretty cool, actually. i've used it many times. |
| 04:47.41 | Kraln | but I'm using IRC as the backend =) |
| 04:47.51 | muthu | interesting krain |
| 04:48.07 | muthu | jasta: yeah loopt looks cool |
| 04:48.50 | Kraln | I just gotta make sure the client is up to snuff |
| 04:49.20 | muthu | LBS is the rage |
| 04:49.23 | Kraln | I think I can get it where it needs to be by the end of the week |
| 04:49.24 | muthu | so much demand |
| 04:49.35 | muthu | and if you have something working.. you have a deal |
| 04:49.39 | Kraln | oh, it works |
| 04:49.45 | Kraln | the client is just kind of skeletal at the moment |
| 04:50.22 | Kraln | ie, it can connect to the network, see a list of channels plotted by where they are, and join channels and chat |
| 04:50.33 | Kraln | but it's sort of ugly. :-( |
| 04:51.48 | muthu | ugly doesn't matter |
| 04:52.11 | jasta | muthu: for the challenge, yes it does. |
| 04:52.18 | muthu | really? |
| 04:52.19 | Kraln | I was going to say, I'm pretty sure it does |
| 04:52.23 | jasta | muthu: yes, read the rules. |
| 04:52.25 | Kraln | that's one of the four criteria |
| 04:52.35 | muthu | hmm |
| 04:54.00 | Kraln | I'm wondering if I should generalize the client so it can function (without location services) on normal irc servers |
| 04:54.25 | Kraln | I mean it should, but it'll send a bunch of weirdo-commands |
| 04:54.31 | Kraln | that most ircds will be like "wtf?" |
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| 04:58.13 | muthu | make up your mind |
| 04:58.49 | Kraln | hmm? |
| 04:59.19 | muthu | on the LBS front |
| 04:59.29 | muthu | i'll say LBS is what people want right now |
| 04:59.49 | jasta | you're a very arbitrary person, muthu :) |
| 04:59.58 | muthu | lol |
| 05:00.32 | Kraln | well, it's about services tie-in |
| 05:00.40 | Kraln | do I want to lock the client to my server or not |
| 05:00.57 | Kraln | I'm leaning towards yes |
| 05:01.16 | muthu | krain: how does it help me, as an end user? |
| 05:01.28 | muthu | i'll be thinking more from a user pov |
| 05:01.30 | Kraln | if I lock in, end users will be presented with a consistent user experience |
| 05:01.39 | muthu | ok.. good |
| 05:01.40 | Kraln | if I don't lock in, users can use it as a general purpose IRC client |
| 05:02.17 | Kraln | I mean, the client and the server bits are MPL licensed... so if someone wants a general purpose one it'll take about three seconds to reconfigure |
| 05:02.56 | muthu | IRC on your mobile.. hmm |
| 05:03.39 | muthu | generic services doesn't excite me much |
| 05:04.02 | muthu | jasta: got some news |
| 05:04.22 | jasta | ? |
| 05:04.48 | muthu | May 6 is not going to happen |
| 05:05.05 | zhobbs | HTC confirmed it's not android related |
| 05:05.05 | jasta | i figured as much :) |
| 05:05.15 | muthu | yeah, we have confirmation now |
| 05:05.31 | zhobbs | hah, at least HTC is watching the site :) |
| 05:05.32 | Kraln | I want a sprint android phone -.- |
| 05:05.35 | muthu | i love when people give feedback |
| 05:05.52 | jasta | i think early may will have plenty of its own excitement :) |
| 05:05.56 | muthu | zhobbs: book an island, buddy.. the party is coming to town |
| 05:06.12 | muthu | oh yeah May 5.. |
| 05:06.20 | zhobbs | yeah, that will be great |
| 05:06.44 | muthu | twitter, anyone? |
| 05:06.49 | muthu | very addictive. |
| 05:07.24 | jasta | ive never used it |
| 05:07.36 | muthu | try it |
| 05:07.38 | jasta | i'm much too busy to explore it now ;) |
| 05:07.57 | muthu | but be prepared to spend (waste?) a lot of time |
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| 05:11.42 | jasta | romainguy: *sigh*, i'm so stuck :( |
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| 06:25.22 | muthu | jasta: what are you stuck at? |
| 06:25.32 | jasta | muthu: this silly relativelayout problem |
| 06:27.29 | muthu | what's the problem? |
| 06:28.07 | jasta | it just isnt laying out properly. i ignored it for now |
| 06:28.25 | jasta | man i cant believe the submission is so soon :) |
| 06:28.33 | muthu | most of the layouts needs some sort of a nesting |
| 06:29.09 | muthu | i can't wait for it to be over and done with |
| 06:29.30 | jasta | hehe, yeah i suppose :) |
| 06:36.02 | mickrobk | has anyone used softreferences in android? |
| 06:36.19 | mickrobk | they seem to been collected extremly aggressively |
| 06:36.51 | mickrobk | or if not, have a suggestion for another caching scheme? |
| 06:42.39 | romainguy___ | yes |
| 06:42.44 | romainguy___ | they are collected very aggressively |
| 06:42.47 | romainguy___ | this will change |
| 06:43.14 | mickrobk | romainguy__, thanks |
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| 06:44.19 | Evi | 'Erro! |
| 06:45.01 | Evi | Evi here... Just an aimless wanderer, come to see what the commotion is all about. There IS commotion here, right? |
| 06:45.09 | Evi | If not... there should be. |
| 06:45.19 | visit0r | commotion? |
| 06:45.48 | Evi | Yes, commotion! |
| 06:46.25 | Evi | A Disturbance in the Force, ya know? |
| 06:47.14 | jasta | You sound like a used car salesmen. |
| 06:47.21 | Evi | I should hope not. |
| 06:47.24 | Evi | Terrible people, those guys, |
| 06:47.55 | Evi | No, the goal of the Used Car Salesman is to HIDE the commotion. |
| 06:47.59 | Evi | At least I'm up-front about it. |
| 06:48.08 | jasta | can you try, like, talking less? |
| 06:48.29 | Evi | Hm. If I talked less, would the all of you talk a bit more? |
| 06:49.26 | Evi | No. See? That doesn't work. |
| 06:50.22 | Evi | Okay. I get it. Goodnight, roybots! |
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| 06:50.48 | jasta | strange fella |
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| 07:03.03 | f00f- | is excited that 95% of his app's functionality is there |
| 07:03.18 | jasta | not me hehe |
| 07:03.21 | jasta | like 60% of mine is ;) |
| 07:03.37 | jasta | i'll have the right amount for the challenge tho |
| 07:03.49 | f00f- | are you adding any extras just for kicks? |
| 07:04.03 | jasta | extras? |
| 07:04.04 | f00f- | i'd like to but i want to strike a good balance for all 4 categories |
| 07:04.13 | f00f- | like nice-to-have features that don't really add much |
| 07:04.34 | f00f- | for example: i've added things that showcase use of android platform, but don't really add to the uniqueness of my app |
| 07:04.34 | jasta | oh, no, i have several of them but those were developed a while ago :) |
| 07:04.53 | f00f- | since most LBS apps will have said features anyway |
| 07:05.32 | f00f- | mundane stuff like "show my location" in google maps mobile |
| 07:05.33 | f00f- | etc. |
| 07:05.45 | f00f- | where if follows you around as your gps/location changes |
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| 07:20.14 | invain | hi |
| 07:22.04 | davidw | 'morning |
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| 07:33.23 | rhett | deadline is coming androiders |
| 07:33.28 | rhett | hey, what is this "dream" handset? |
| 07:35.02 | Jythonroid | is there any method that can set the position of the cursor in EditText please? |
| 07:36.06 | muthu | rhett: that's the HTC android device, named Dream |
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| 07:37.20 | rhett | so, that comes out for developers in may? |
| 07:40.56 | muthu | no its not |
| 07:41.07 | muthu | it might come later |
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| 08:09.15 | chomchom | morning you crazy code guys. that was a nice game pack - http://www.vimeo.com/875115 |
| 08:09.37 | chomchom | Now I have to run to work |
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| 08:20.19 | rhett | cringes as I try to get this on dialulp |
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| 08:21.32 | rhett | nogo, i need flash 9 |
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| 09:56.13 | zod | how can i use a layout from xml for the getView() Method in adapters? |
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| 11:08.33 | acsia | finally managed to solve a bug after approx 32 hours of searching for it! |
| 11:09.06 | acsia | chomchom: u three? |
| 11:09.09 | acsia | there? |
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| 11:13.45 | nil733 | can anybody tell me as to how to put buttons for slide show on the image screen |
| 11:16.25 | nil733 | can anybody help me |
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| 11:25.24 | nil733 | can anybody answer my question |
| 11:25.49 | muthu | nil: what you want to do? |
| 11:26.18 | nil733 | i have created a photo slide show |
| 11:26.39 | nil733 | i want to put up buttons on that image screen |
| 11:26.57 | muthu | use a layout |
| 11:27.31 | nil733 | but till now for this particular application i have not used layout |
| 11:28.01 | muthu | now you want buttons, right.. so put them below the image in a layout |
| 11:29.00 | nil733 | ok |
| 11:29.02 | nil733 | but i have to set the content view to a specific layout |
| 11:29.15 | muthu | yeah set them to the layout |
| 11:29.39 | muthu | design the layout to include whatever views you want |
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| 11:30.12 | nil733 | but now when i start my application the layout is not from any xml file |
| 11:30.29 | nil733 | its directly from the java file |
| 11:30.53 | nil733 | if i set a layout from xml file it will display it first |
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| 11:31.08 | muthu | you can either load it from xml |
| 11:31.13 | muthu | or do it by code |
| 11:31.19 | nil733 | ok |
| 11:31.28 | nil733 | i will chek it out |
| 11:31.31 | nil733 | thank you |
| 11:31.36 | muthu | np |
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| 13:32.07 | acsia | HA! |
| 13:32.16 | acsia | Finally! |
| 13:32.27 | zod | muthu: how can i load a layout afterwards (for example for getView() in adapters)? |
| 13:37.33 | muthu | you can use view inflate |
| 13:41.33 | michaelnovakjr | when using view inflate how can i get the view to redraw? |
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| 13:48.36 | muthu | michael: you'll have to invalidate.. but am not sure |
| 13:48.55 | muthu | invalidate basically redraws the views |
| 13:49.16 | michaelnovakjr | hmmm... i called the invalidate but it doesn't redraw it |
| 13:50.38 | muthu | yeah i've noticed weird behaviors too |
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| 14:19.35 | hap | Yolanda: hi, are you the Yolanda I know ? |
| 14:19.59 | Yolanda | hap: no |
| 14:20.40 | hap | ok :) |
| 14:20.44 | hap | different network etc. |
| 14:22.50 | Yolanda | ... |
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| 15:13.54 | jasta | sigh |
| 15:13.57 | jasta | damn you Android :) |
| 15:14.04 | jasta | robbing me of sleep :) |
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| 15:15.05 | zhobbs | things are starting to slow down here |
| 15:16.07 | michaelnovakjr | robbing of lots of sleep |
| 15:18.52 | jasta | zhobbs: not for me really, i've gotten more aggressive this past week |
| 15:19.08 | michaelnovakjr | me too |
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| 15:19.42 | jasta | i even took Monday off work |
| 15:20.50 | zhobbs | last monday, or the 14th? |
| 15:20.57 | jasta | the 14th |
| 15:21.19 | jasta | i am going to try to submit on Sunday, but just in case i don't... |
| 15:21.27 | jasta | even if I do submit Sunday, I will be sleeping all day monday :) |
| 15:21.40 | B0jangles | will be interesting if Google |
| 15:21.43 | B0jangles | ... |
| 15:21.52 | jasta | ? |
| 15:21.54 | B0jangles | will be interesting if Google's servers go down on Monday or something |
| 15:22.01 | B0jangles | accidentally hit enter too early |
| 15:22.24 | B0jangles | ...overloaded by thousands of submissions |
| 15:22.26 | jasta | i thought of that; i assume that if registration is closed inadvertantly on the last day that they would extend it 1 day. |
| 15:22.40 | B0jangles | aye ;-) |
| 15:22.45 | jasta | but let's be realistic; *Google's* servers? really? :) |
| 15:22.49 | B0jangles | Still, I'll be submitting a day or two early |
| 15:23.07 | jasta | what's your project? |
| 15:23.16 | B0jangles | Sadly, I'm not allowed to talk about it ;-( |
| 15:23.35 | B0jangles | Though, I suppose I will be allowed to after Monday |
| 15:24.06 | jasta | who is preventing you? |
| 15:24.12 | B0jangles | my employer |
| 15:24.30 | jasta | is your app being developed by your employer or you personally? |
| 15:26.01 | B0jangles | well, I'm the sole developer, but it's an project for my employer |
| 15:26.22 | B0jangles | It's an offshoot of an existing project, so I think they see it mostly as a way to potentially get more attention |
| 15:26.23 | jasta | hmm |
| 15:26.28 | B0jangles | and potentially some money |
| 15:26.37 | jasta | i'm sorta curious why companies would be motivated to compete. |
| 15:26.57 | jasta | seems like they hand over an awful lot of power to Google for a measley $300K grand prize. |
| 15:27.04 | Tomasso | what does that R.java class mean? |
| 15:27.11 | B0jangles | jasta: how so? |
| 15:27.17 | Tomasso | and those hex values? |
| 15:27.27 | zhobbs | Tomasso: it's internal id's for resources |
| 15:27.27 | B0jangles | The ADC is advetised as "no strings attached" |
| 15:27.51 | jasta | except that you permit Google to use your name and materials for use in their marketing. |
| 15:28.00 | dpino | thought deadline was on Sunday |
| 15:28.17 | B0jangles | jasta: yeah, Google using your name and materials in their marketing is a *huge* bonus |
| 15:28.19 | jasta | dpino: it's apr 14th 11:59:59 PST. fortunately, i'm in PST :) |
| 15:29.15 | dpino | Pacific time |
| 15:29.15 | B0jangles | If you're in the sort of business where gaining public attention is a good thing, I guess |
| 15:29.15 | dpino | I am GMT +2, that gives me some extra time, but I do not think I could do much on Monday |
| 15:29.18 | jasta | B0jangles: i would suspect that business entities would want to have more control over how their product is delivered to the public, marketed, etc. |
| 15:29.31 | B0jangles | Depends on the product |
| 15:29.33 | jasta | letting a third party take it, even one like Google, seems wreckless. |
| 15:30.15 | jasta | esp since the first round is not a public launch (no user will have it yet), so you'd think a business entity would want to not market it at that time. |
| 15:30.32 | zhobbs | jasta: business who plan on distributing the app for free don't care |
| 15:30.40 | zhobbs | businesses* |
| 15:30.42 | B0jangles | Like I said, it's part of a larger product |
| 15:30.59 | B0jangles | The Android part of it is seen by my employer largely as a marketing vessel |
| 15:31.02 | jasta | also, it takes away from the possibility of being "first to market" on Android, since another entity would be able to swoop in between May 5th and the commercial launch date |
| 15:31.03 | Tomasso | zhobbs, are those ids auto generated? |
| 15:31.14 | zhobbs | Tomasso: yeah, R.java is auto generated |
| 15:31.21 | B0jangles | Having Google be a part of that marketing is a huge bonus |
| 15:31.27 | michaelnovakjr | R.java connects your java to your UI |
| 15:31.34 | Tomasso | if I add a new resource then does it refresh? |
| 15:31.39 | michaelnovakjr | and values and drawables... etc |
| 15:31.52 | Tomasso | great |
| 15:31.59 | B0jangles | For instance, (and this is not my project), say you have a Facebook-type social-networking site that nobody's heard of... |
| 15:32.06 | B0jangles | You make an Android app that interfaces with it... |
| 15:32.09 | B0jangles | Give it away free |
| 15:32.14 | B0jangles | Win the Google ADC |
| 15:32.22 | B0jangles | And suddenly people have heard of your site |
| 15:32.28 | B0jangles | You get revenue from the ads on your site |
| 15:32.31 | michaelnovakjr | i have one |
| 15:32.39 | michaelnovakjr | its called basement networking |
| 15:32.51 | michaelnovakjr | you have to be over 30 and live in your mom's basement :) |
| 15:33.32 | michaelnovakjr | as you can see i take social networking with a grain of salt |
| 15:33.56 | B0jangles | like I said, that's not my project...it's just the first similar example I could come up with... |
| 15:34.12 | michaelnovakjr | of course, its really popular stuff right now |
| 15:34.25 | michaelnovakjr | look at myspace.... its garbage now... |
| 15:34.38 | B0jangles | it was garbage before, too ;-) |
| 15:34.40 | michaelnovakjr | its not long before facebook goes with it |
| 15:35.04 | michaelnovakjr | people get bored of the same thing over and over |
| 15:35.10 | michaelnovakjr | eventually it will fade |
| 15:35.13 | B0jangles | I've never actually been to Facebook |
| 15:35.20 | michaelnovakjr | but the concept will always be there |
| 15:35.40 | michaelnovakjr | social networking of the future, as i see it, will be integrated into company products |
| 15:35.54 | B0jangles | I'm intrigued by the idea, and have written a few limited social-networking-type things, but I can't say I've used it much |
| 15:35.56 | michaelnovakjr | not really sure if there will be one big open standard |
| 15:36.32 | michaelnovakjr | but the core ideas of social networking could enhance productivity in companies if integrated into their current internal software |
| 15:36.46 | michaelnovakjr | basically work related communication management |
| 15:37.01 | B0jangles | absolutely, I think social networking can be hugely beneficial |
| 15:37.48 | michaelnovakjr | but companies like myspace and facebook aren't the long term standards |
| 15:38.05 | michaelnovakjr | they are the equivalent of rebound relationships |
| 15:38.30 | michaelnovakjr | soon enough there will be an open standard that everyone will want to adopt because it expands the arena that they can reach |
| 15:38.31 | B0jangles | It's hard to say. In some ways, I see social networking evolving further, but it's really hard to kill off sites that are first to market |
| 15:38.34 | B0jangles | Look at Ebay |
| 15:38.39 | B0jangles | or Craigslist |
| 15:39.02 | michaelnovakjr | craigslist is a good example of the core principles without all the extra crap |
| 15:39.03 | B0jangles | Shit, I could write a better Craigslist, but nobody would use it because Craigslist already has the traffic |
| 15:39.05 | zhobbs | the internet is just a big popularity contest |
| 15:39.17 | michaelnovakjr | agreed zhobbs |
| 15:40.08 | hap | I just started the eclipse thing with the Hello application, the emulator started but I only see a red thing going |
| 15:40.14 | hap | is that supposed to mean it is currently booting ? |
| 15:40.19 | B0jangles | hap: yes |
| 15:40.24 | B0jangles | hap: it takes awhile |
| 15:40.28 | hap | man it does |
| 15:40.29 | B0jangles | hap: go get a coffee or something |
| 15:40.34 | michaelnovakjr | its an emulator :) |
| 15:40.37 | hap | core 2 duo low latency here, 2gigs |
| 15:40.44 | michaelnovakjr | but once its running, leave it running |
| 15:40.50 | hap | does it emulate the slowness of what I ll get on my phone ? :) |
| 15:40.52 | michaelnovakjr | otherwise you'll waste away your life |
| 15:41.00 | hap | michaelnovakjr: ah ok i can leave it running |
| 15:41.06 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 15:41.17 | michaelnovakjr | just click run in eclipse to restart the app |
| 15:41.18 | hap | stupid question but can I get more software to play with, like the thing I see on videos |
| 15:41.23 | hap | with the browser etc |
| 15:41.32 | michaelnovakjr | hap what do you mean? |
| 15:41.38 | zhobbs | hap: no |
| 15:41.41 | hap | webkit, etc |
| 15:41.44 | hap | ah sux |
| 15:41.46 | zhobbs | you have to install the packages with "adb" |
| 15:41.59 | michaelnovakjr | hap, adb is your friend :) |
| 15:42.00 | hap | ah ok, but I can install them to have a complete environment ? |
| 15:42.12 | zhobbs | hap: ? |
| 15:42.20 | B0jangles | what do you mean by complete environment? |
| 15:42.34 | zhobbs | it comes with webkit, maps, contacts |
| 15:42.42 | zhobbs | and ApiDemos |
| 15:42.48 | michaelnovakjr | and dev tools ); |
| 15:42.56 | michaelnovakjr | ;) |
| 15:48.46 | hap | ok i did not see it, i got the complete env |
| 15:48.52 | hap | but on the video i see a bottom dock |
| 15:48.58 | hap | wihch i don t get on the emulator |
| 15:49.05 | michaelnovakjr | the interface was redesigned |
| 15:49.14 | michaelnovakjr | could be you saw the old version in the video |
| 15:50.52 | hap | ah ok |
| 15:50.58 | hap | well i liked the previous bottom dock in fact |
| 15:50.59 | hap | hehe |
| 15:51.08 | B0jangles | join the club ;-) |
| 15:51.24 | michaelnovakjr | the home screen is the hardest part of the interface |
| 15:51.39 | michaelnovakjr | i have a feeling it will be slightly different in the next release too ;) |
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| 15:52.54 | B0jangles | probably. I'm guessing it will come out pretty soon after the 14th, too |
| 15:53.02 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 15:53.43 | hap | I have to say it s pretty slick, I bought a n800 when released and i think maemo is the crappiest UI I saw for small devices |
| 15:54.41 | hap | can t wait to be able to put android on the n800 (i saw about the n810) |
| 15:54.57 | michaelnovakjr | what provider do you have? |
| 15:55.13 | hap | michaelnovakjr: what do you mean ? |
| 15:55.35 | michaelnovakjr | who do you use for your cell carrier? |
| 15:56.04 | hap | my n800 is used a brick on my desk for the last year now. Can't stand it. I bought a ipod touch and I just love it, can t leave the house without it now (emails notes etc) |
| 15:56.13 | hap | michaelnovakjr: i feel ashamed but i have no more cell phone |
| 15:56.28 | michaelnovakjr | wowee |
| 15:56.30 | hap | for the last 3 or 4 years |
| 15:56.36 | hap | but i like embed devices etc |
| 15:56.54 | michaelnovakjr | that's interesting |
| 15:56.56 | hap | maybe i ll get one if it fits the size of the ipod touch and look like the emulator |
| 15:57.10 | hap | and not like a blackberry |
| 15:57.10 | michaelnovakjr | i haven't spoken to someone without a cellphone in a long time |
| 15:57.17 | hap | well here I am ;) |
| 15:57.29 | michaelnovakjr | any reason? |
| 15:57.50 | hap | i have to say, it feels great not having one and being able to say 'no i have no cell phone number but you can reach me at my office' |
| 15:58.08 | michaelnovakjr | i rarely use mine as a phone |
| 15:58.17 | hap | well I was tired of people calling me for no reasons, I don t want a brain tumor within 20 years, and I like to feel special. |
| 15:58.24 | michaelnovakjr | i just like it for the data connection :) i tell people to email me ;) |
| 15:58.35 | hap | so do I and I fetch them at the office. |
| 15:58.49 | michaelnovakjr | i am on the move alot so it helps to have it handy |
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| 15:59.00 | hap | yeah i was thinking about a 3g usb dongle |
| 15:59.14 | hap | I have the vaio tz90 bought in tokyo and I often have it with me |
| 15:59.21 | hap | a 3g on it would do |
| 15:59.27 | michaelnovakjr | vaio as in sony? |
| 15:59.41 | hap | yes |
| 15:59.55 | hap | 1kg, best laptop i ever had |
| 15:59.55 | michaelnovakjr | ahh, i had bad luck with the vaio |
| 16:00.09 | michaelnovakjr | i use apple and freebsd |
| 16:00.16 | hap | me too, the harddrive failed, but it s a toshiba one, the laptop was easy to open |
| 16:00.28 | hap | well I wanted one but when i saw the Air i just laughed |
| 16:00.38 | michaelnovakjr | oh yea, the Air is a joke |
| 16:00.45 | michaelnovakjr | i use a macbook pro |
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| 16:00.54 | hap | mine is 1.1kg, firewire, 3 usb 2gigs of ram 160 of disk, fingerprint reader, etc |
| 16:01.07 | hap | and it has the best screen i ve even seen |
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| 16:01.14 | hap | however it costs 3k euros in France |
| 16:01.21 | hap | but 1.4 in tokyo so ... |
| 16:01.30 | hap | the pro is good but it was too heavy for my needs |
| 16:01.38 | michaelnovakjr | you could probably get it for half that in the states :) |
| 16:01.47 | hap | don t think so : |
| 16:02.05 | michaelnovakjr | our currency is pretty low |
| 16:02.17 | bilboed-tp | x61 ftw ! :) |
| 16:02.34 | bilboed-tp | worth over 2000EUR in europe, bought it for 900EUR in the states :) |
| 16:02.39 | hap | http://www.dynamism.com/tz90/main.shtml |
| 16:02.46 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 16:02.51 | hap | michaelnovakjr: see the price |
| 16:02.55 | michaelnovakjr | gotta love the good old US of A |
| 16:02.58 | hap | bilboed-tp: yeah i thought of the x61s too |
| 16:03.17 | hap | bilboed-tp: wish I had backlight keyboard or the same thing for the x61s for a ticklight |
| 16:03.35 | bilboed-tp | hap, there's a light on top of the screen :) |
| 16:03.36 | michaelnovakjr | i love backlight keyboards |
| 16:03.48 | hap | bilboed-tp: i know, that s why I was saying |
| 16:03.53 | hap | the only thing I wished i had on my vaio |
| 16:03.56 | bilboed-tp | hap, which I never use even in the dark. The keyboard is just that well designed |
| 16:04.12 | hap | well me neither but it impresses girls |
| 16:04.20 | bilboed-tp | it's a friggin laptop ! |
| 16:04.26 | bilboed-tp | find something else to impress girls :) |
| 16:04.44 | hap | well in the dark they need a bit of light to see the size of my penis |
| 16:04.47 | hap | well nevermind |
| 16:04.52 | bilboed-tp | *cough* |
| 16:05.05 | hap | else they can t beleive it |
| 16:05.11 | hap | haha sorry *leaving* |
| 16:05.31 | zhobbs | hah |
| 16:05.37 | michaelnovakjr | guess its that hard to find |
| 16:05.40 | hap | anyway Android looks like a fine thing, now I need customers to pay me to code something on it I guess. |
| 16:06.10 | hap | when is supposed to come the first phone that looks like the emulator and not blackberry like |
| 16:06.33 | michaelnovakjr | what do you mean? |
| 16:06.56 | hap | when can I buy a phone that has a large display and no keyboard |
| 16:07.00 | hap | June ? |
| 16:07.25 | michaelnovakjr | htc already makes them, and they will be supporting android, so whenever they decide on a date is when you'll be able to get one |
| 16:07.44 | hap | ok. is that the 'dream |
| 16:07.46 | hap | ? |
| 16:07.57 | hap | well let s wait then |
| 16:08.03 | michaelnovakjr | they make the touch right now that runs win mobile |
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| 16:08.57 | hap | i cant beleive how the n800 is badly designed on the software side |
| 16:09.19 | bilboed-tp | hap, yeah, sucks |
| 16:09.30 | bilboed-tp | hap, very good stack, but the end software is so shitty |
| 16:09.36 | bilboed-tp | hap, not even some PIM apps on it |
| 16:10.03 | bilboed-tp | s/end software/end-user software/ |
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| 16:10.31 | hap | bilboed-tp: well when I saw a menu like on my desk for something that has a touch screen only |
| 16:10.48 | hap | the UI is crap, no drap & drop and can t change the icons on the left easily |
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| 16:24.49 | jasta | yawn |
| 16:24.51 | jasta | at work now :( |
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| 16:43.44 | michaelnovakjr | i am exhausted |
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| 16:48.40 | hap | who works professionaly here for Android ? |
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| 16:49.31 | romainguy | I do ^^ |
| 16:50.01 | michaelnovakjr | i don't |
| 16:50.57 | michaelnovakjr | romainguy, when using the viewinflate, when modifiying the view calling the invalidate should redraw it right? |
| 16:51.00 | dpino | does anybody know how can I take a snapshot of a view? there was createBitmap but it crashes in m5 |
| 16:51.36 | romainguy | dpino: you can use setDrawingCacheEnabled(true)/getDrawingCache() |
| 16:51.51 | romainguy | michaelnovakjr: if attached to a parent, yes |
| 16:51.58 | dpino | thank you romainguy |
| 16:52.23 | michaelnovakjr | so, you have to invalidate the parent view romainguy? |
| 16:52.37 | romainguy | no |
| 16:52.48 | romainguy | but it depends on how you use ViewInflate |
| 16:53.00 | romainguy | there are versions of the inflate() methods that don't put the inflated view into a view hierarchy |
| 16:53.53 | michaelnovakjr | i pull the view by calling the getViewInflate method |
| 16:54.15 | michaelnovakjr | i can modify for example a string, and see its changed in the log but it doesn't redraw to the UI |
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| 16:55.02 | romainguy | michaelnovakjr: how do you invoke inflate() ? |
| 16:58.39 | michaelnovakjr | getViewInflate().inflate(layout, null, null); |
| 16:59.37 | romainguy | here you go |
| 16:59.40 | romainguy | your view has not parent |
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| 17:06.08 | borism | anyone got build for n810? :) |
| 17:12.41 | jasta | morning romain :) |
| 17:15.38 | jasta | hmm, i've been instantiating ViewInflate with ViewInflate.from(ctx) all this time |
| 17:15.54 | romainguy | jasta: it's the same |
| 17:15.57 | jasta | oh, ok |
| 17:16.28 | jasta | so, romain, what sort of app are you excited about on Android? :) |
| 17:16.54 | jasta | "...if you had a magic phone..." |
| 17:17.17 | romainguy | an app that would do my job :) |
| 17:17.23 | romainguy | more seriously, I don't really care about features |
| 17:17.30 | romainguy | I just want something easy to use and that looks good |
| 17:18.13 | jasta | you must have some functionality that you're hoping to see |
| 17:18.37 | davidw | "GirlFinder 1.0" |
| 17:18.40 | muthu | romain wants a cooking app ;) |
| 17:18.54 | muthu | i have that too.. dating |
| 17:18.55 | zhobbs | I hope there's not more than 10-15 social networking apps in the top 50 |
| 17:18.58 | romainguy | jasta: not really, a decent mail app and phone :) |
| 17:19.06 | jasta | zhobbs: agreed :) |
| 17:19.25 | muthu | lot of submission on social networking |
| 17:19.50 | jasta | romainguy: The mail app is pretty important to me. e-mail and maps are the two big reasons i have a smartphone. |
| 17:20.30 | zhobbs | yep, email, maps, media player and a good browser and you should be covered |
| 17:20.34 | jasta | muthu: the great thing is that i think the novelty will wear off with the judges, and a lot of the app scores will be deflated as a result. |
| 17:20.42 | zhobbs | hopefully |
| 17:21.05 | zhobbs | plus EVERY app will probably have some crappy social networking feature crowbarred in |
| 17:21.09 | muthu | social networking is the craze |
| 17:21.17 | jasta | Actually, I am developing this music player when I have never even taken advantage of the media player functionality on my smart phone. It is a feature I completely ignore. |
| 17:21.23 | muthu | google might be watching closely on those submissions |
| 17:22.03 | muthu | jasta: you can send songs to your friends? |
| 17:22.12 | jasta | muthu: No, that would be illegal. |
| 17:22.17 | muthu | share your music list? |
| 17:22.28 | acsia | jasta: last.fm? |
| 17:22.43 | jasta | muthu: yes, in the way that last.fm permits. |
| 17:22.51 | jasta | acsia: ? |
| 17:22.52 | muthu | oh cool |
| 17:23.15 | jasta | though the first round submission will contain only the core set of last.fm features i am looking for. |
| 17:23.18 | acsia | jasta: do you have last.fm integration? |
| 17:23.32 | acsia | submission of songs? |
| 17:23.32 | jasta | and even as the app expands, i will try to keep my feature set erasonably bound. i don't ever intend to have my player turn into a "last.fm client" |
| 17:23.39 | jasta | acsia: Yes, and more. |
| 17:23.45 | acsia | nice |
| 17:24.03 | jasta | Check this out |
| 17:24.13 | jasta | I will show you what inspired my project :) |
| 17:24.24 | muthu | what? |
| 17:25.03 | acsia | did you notice that nelson mandela is developing an app for android? |
| 17:25.09 | acsia | http://www.helloandroid.com/node/178 |
| 17:25.56 | muthu | lol |
| 17:25.57 | acsia | did not know you where so high up in society hobbs ;) |
| 17:26.25 | muthu | ah.. this is funny |
| 17:26.35 | jasta | actually, this blog might be private |
| 17:26.37 | jasta | http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=55882634&blogID=292739958&Mytoken=A7495834-12B2-4031-89037435D7278EE328665788 |
| 17:26.52 | acsia | indeed yes |
| 17:26.57 | jasta | damn :) |
| 17:27.01 | muthu | wow private blog.. must read |
| 17:27.25 | muthu | what? |
| 17:27.29 | muthu | open it up jasta |
| 17:27.36 | jasta | it's not my blog |
| 17:28.00 | jasta | anyway, it's a humorous blog post about my friend building his own iPhone. |
| 17:28.21 | muthu | good you drew inspiration from your friends |
| 17:28.27 | jasta | he taped his ipod to the back of his flip phone |
| 17:28.57 | jasta | humor aside, it made me realize that *IS* an iPhone. the "built-in" iPod is basically taped to it; it offers almost nothing extra despite the device now having a mobile internet connection |
| 17:29.22 | jasta | all the same restrictions of a traditionally unwired iPod came with it. even the iPod Touch now has Wi-Fi but for what? iTunes store? lame. |
| 17:29.43 | muthu | yeah steve jobs knows how to sell |
| 17:29.45 | jasta | it inspired me to design a music player that wasn't just taped to the back of a phone, but actually integrated with it. |
| 17:29.59 | muthu | woah deep |
| 17:30.08 | muthu | ** applause for jasta |
| 17:30.20 | muthu | ** awards pouring in for jasta |
| 17:30.39 | muthu | ** nobel prize for jasta |
| 17:30.42 | muthu | lol |
| 17:30.57 | muthu | jasta seriously your app will kick ass |
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| 17:31.08 | muthu | since you are drawing from real life |
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| 17:42.29 | davidw | ahahah |
| 17:49.04 | jasta | davidw: ? |
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| 18:03.58 | Bonkers | jasta: the iphone offers nothing more because AT&T doesn't want them using gobs and gobs of bandwith |
| 18:04.04 | Bonkers | you can only use the itunes store on wifi even |
| 18:04.10 | Bonkers | I'm sure 3G will be different thoguh |
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| 18:12.52 | zhobbs | jasta: so TabActivity isn't really depreciated right? |
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| 18:23.17 | acsia | zhobbs: no I don t think so |
| 18:24.47 | acsia | nice acquaintance zhobbs |
| 18:26.14 | zhobbs | acsia: ? |
| 18:26.59 | acsia | zhobbs: I suppose this is yours: http://www.helloandroid.com/node/178 |
| 18:27.12 | acsia | Bush, Zapatero, Chavez |
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| 18:27.23 | zhobbs | haha |
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| 18:27.43 | zhobbs | not mine |
| 18:28.08 | zhobbs | only about half those guys are really on my contact list on my phone :) |
| 18:28.18 | Tomasso | whats the androids middlet version? the main app ? i read an activity is just a page, a View is like a layer, and where do i write the main application? |
| 18:29.36 | davidw | Tomasso, time to hit the docs:-) |
| 18:29.37 | zhobbs | acsia: it's a screen of the CallFreq application (not mine): http://www.helloandroid.com/node/179 |
| 18:29.41 | acsia | Tomasso are you submitting anything to the ADC? :) |
| 18:30.04 | Tomasso | :$ |
| 18:30.05 | acsia | zhobbs: I know I just assume that it was yours because the user is hobbs |
| 18:30.33 | Tomasso | nono i havent done anything yet |
| 18:30.34 | Tomasso | :S |
| 18:30.34 | zhobbs | Ahhh...I post a lot of other peoples apps on there |
| 18:30.43 | Tomasso | ahahah |
| 18:30.44 | acsia | aha ok |
| 18:31.16 | acsia | BTW tomasso, you would use the activity to write your main business logic |
| 18:31.19 | zhobbs | and lots of people post their apps on there too...hopefully everyone will be posting their apps in there after the 14th |
| 18:31.24 | Tomasso | there is one guy in my corp that puts his name to source code he didnt write |
| 18:31.39 | Tomasso | ajahahahah |
| 18:31.44 | acsia | that s bad |
| 18:32.11 | Tomasso | acsia, isnt an activity just a screen? |
| 18:32.26 | Tomasso | or that is the view? |
| 18:32.55 | acsia | an activity has usually a view yes |
| 18:33.11 | romainguy___ | Tomasso: You shouldn't try to map Android's concepts to Java ME's |
| 18:33.11 | acsia | what do you want to do? |
| 18:33.51 | Tomasso | just a splash screen, that when dissappears changes the backgroud and shows a menu with images |
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| 18:34.07 | Tomasso | button images |
| 18:34.24 | zorg- | Why is the README file the hardest part .... |
| 18:35.09 | acsia | because it is written in capital letters and with no extension |
| 18:35.59 | zorg- | :) right :) |
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| 18:36.37 | muthu | http://www.pocketjourney.com/androidVideo.do |
| 18:39.34 | acsia | muthu: I am building something very similar |
| 18:39.54 | muthu | what's it acsia? |
| 18:40.39 | acsia | it is more of a container for geo located data without providing the actual data |
| 18:40.42 | chomchom | oooh |
| 18:40.56 | acsia | I use dynamic class loading and convention |
| 18:41.05 | chomchom | I like the videos |
| 18:41.06 | muthu | how's it used? |
| 18:41.08 | acsia | the dyn loading is for the map overlay |
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| 18:41.23 | chomchom | good marketing, I've totally got to get on that after I nail the basic functionality |
| 18:41.41 | muthu | yeah marketing counts |
| 18:41.44 | acsia | well it catchs a meta data tag on your provider, read some config, register the app (that I call module) |
| 18:42.06 | acsia | each time you use your module, my app register it and catch the location |
| 18:42.14 | acsia | then you have a global view of a 'place' |
| 18:42.36 | muthu | ok |
| 18:42.36 | chomchom | making the best app in the world is one thing, getting people to use it is another. |
| 18:42.45 | muthu | right |
| 18:42.53 | acsia | I actually just managed today with the class loading part so I am a bit behind :D just hope the judge will understand what my idea |
| 18:43.00 | acsia | but it looks very cool |
| 18:43.06 | acsia | your app that is |
| 18:43.12 | acsia | it scares me a bit :) |
| 18:43.22 | muthu | don't worry its not mine :) |
| 18:43.27 | chomchom | oh is that your app muthu? |
| 18:43.30 | muthu | its one of the submissions though |
| 18:43.34 | chomchom | good stuff, looks really good |
| 18:43.42 | muthu | note mine.. posted in the challenge forums |
| 18:43.46 | acsia | how do you know it is one of the submissions? |
| 18:43.48 | acsia | aha |
| 18:43.59 | chomchom | ah right |
| 18:44.14 | muthu | i'm adding it as my pick no 7 |
| 18:44.16 | muthu | :) |
| 18:44.36 | chomchom | I think that gets my pick number 1 |
| 18:44.37 | davidw | hrm hrm hrm... there's no way to programmatically set up an intent filter when an apk is loaded is there... |
| 18:44.59 | zhobbs | davidw: yeah you can |
| 18:45.10 | davidw | yeah? |
| 18:45.11 | zhobbs | and enable/disable it also |
| 18:45.12 | acsia | davidw: loaded or installed? |
| 18:45.24 | davidw | installed, I mean...loaded in the emulator |
| 18:45.29 | acsia | yes I managed |
| 18:45.45 | zhobbs | registerReceiver(updateFinishedReceiver, filter); |
| 18:45.51 | zhobbs | unregisterReceiver(updateFinishedReceiver); |
| 18:46.04 | davidw | zhobbs, yeah, but what's that called from? |
| 18:46.14 | acsia | android:scheme="package" |
| 18:46.15 | davidw | I know you can do it if your app gets kicked off |
| 18:46.24 | zhobbs | Ahhh |
| 18:46.44 | zhobbs | I see, so you want to register it without the guarentee that your app is run to set it all up |
| 18:46.53 | davidw | yeah |
| 18:47.20 | acsia | android.intent.action.PACKAGE_INSTALL? |
| 18:47.30 | acsia | on the above scheme |
| 18:47.47 | zhobbs | Hmm, is that referring to your package or any package? |
| 18:47.52 | davidw | I guess you could have a stub 'on phone startup' intent receiver than proceeds to create something else for you |
| 18:48.16 | acsia | phone boot does not work |
| 18:48.27 | acsia | permission issue |
| 18:48.44 | zhobbs | acsia: I've used BOOT_COMPLETE before |
| 18:48.55 | acsia | zhobbs: did you manage?? |
| 18:49.03 | acsia | I keep getting permission not granted |
| 18:49.08 | acsia | while I have the permission set |
| 18:49.32 | davidw | hrm hrm hrm.... think think think |
| 18:49.45 | zhobbs | is trying to remember if he's done in in M5 yet |
| 18:51.06 | davidw | I'm considering adding it to the builder stage, but that's not quite as neat and clean |
| 18:53.12 | Hai-Fai | could anyone tell me how to set progressbar to a some spectacular value? |
| 18:54.12 | jasta | spectacular? |
| 18:54.21 | B0jangles | spectacular, huh |
| 18:54.27 | zhobbs | 100? |
| 18:54.30 | B0jangles | like one zillion |
| 18:54.31 | B0jangles | ? |
| 18:54.36 | zhobbs | 150? |
| 18:54.42 | davidw | pi is pretty spectacular in its own way |
| 18:54.45 | B0jangles | my progress bar goes to eleven |
| 18:54.47 | zhobbs | e |
| 18:55.19 | jasta | Hai-Fai: perhaps you are looking for setMax, though it would be impossible to know :) |
| 18:55.31 | Hai-Fai | I did mean to set it to a value [ie. from range 1-1000 or whatever..] ie. 55/1000 |
| 18:55.45 | jasta | i just noticed something alarmigng |
| 18:55.47 | Hai-Fai | is it via setProgress? |
| 18:55.56 | B0jangles | fire alarm? |
| 18:55.58 | jasta | Hai-Fai: Yes, obviously |
| 18:56.01 | Hai-Fai | thanks |
| 18:56.07 | jasta | ProgressBar's methods are synchronized; wy? |
| 18:56.09 | jasta | why* |
| 18:56.17 | davidw | the progress bar is annoying in that you can't set the style programmatically |
| 18:56.27 | romainguy___ | jasta: for updates from background threads |
| 18:57.17 | jasta | is there magic in here that causes it to post to a handler? |
| 18:58.08 | jasta | davidw: Well, sure you can. just use setBackground() |
| 18:58.10 | romainguy___ | it doesn't post to a handler |
| 18:58.38 | romainguy___ | er |
| 18:58.40 | romainguy___ | it *does* |
| 18:58.43 | jasta | are you sure? what does postInvalidate do? :) |
| 18:59.04 | Tomasso | does the MicroEmulator for android work ? |
| 18:59.08 | jasta | romainguy___: interesting anyway, i hadn't realized you guys did this. |
| 18:59.12 | romainguy___ | postInvalidate() is not really meant for threads handling |
| 18:59.15 | jasta | is Toast also synchronized in this way? |
| 18:59.22 | romainguy___ | it's more for repainting later |
| 18:59.34 | romainguy___ | but progressbar posts a runnable |
| 18:59.38 | romainguy___ | if needed |
| 19:00.30 | jasta | i've noticed that Toast can also be used from the non-UI threads. |
| 19:01.08 | jasta | was that intentional as well? |
| 19:01.30 | muthu | adobe media player released |
| 19:02.17 | muthu | good night androids |
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| 19:02.50 | jasta | i had assumed Toast could be used in non-UI threads because it was being handled by a service somewhere, and so IPC was necessary regardless of the thread that creates and shows it. |
| 19:04.34 | jasta | man i love Android's UI framework ;) |
| 19:04.58 | Lede | jasta you android fanatic! |
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| 19:43.41 | jasta | i just looked at Toast.java, looks like I was right about the service, but wrong about the reason why it can be used from non-UI threads. |
| 19:44.15 | michaelnovakjr | what;s the reason? |
| 19:44.43 | jasta | the notification service is just a scheduler with a timer in this way |
| 19:45.08 | jasta | the reason Toast is usable by non-UI threads is that when the notification service invokes the callbacks, the views are manipulated using a posted runnable. |
| 19:45.22 | jasta | which is presumably because the service callback is happening in the binder thread, not the UI thread anyway |
| 19:46.40 | michaelnovakjr | i like threads :) |
| 19:46.59 | jasta | i am especially pleased by how beautifully android integrates with the OpenBinder. |
| 19:47.22 | michaelnovakjr | indeed |
| 19:48.19 | Tomasso | whats the fastest way to learn android and have an application working in tree days ? |
| 19:48.31 | michaelnovakjr | in tree days... never tried it |
| 19:48.36 | Tomasso | heheheh |
| 19:48.44 | benley | are those like dog years? |
| 19:48.51 | michaelnovakjr | it depends on the application |
| 19:48.57 | Tomasso | does anyone have some briefing on android, docs are huge |
| 19:49.00 | zhobbs | my app crashes a lot in debug mode |
| 19:49.00 | michaelnovakjr | i haven't written anything useful in three days |
| 19:49.04 | Tomasso | and dunno where to start from |
| 19:49.16 | michaelnovakjr | assuming you meant three days |
| 19:49.17 | zhobbs | Tomasso: tutorials at helloandroid.com, anddev.org |
| 19:49.21 | acsia | anddev.org should be a good start |
| 19:49.30 | zhobbs | Tomasso: do the official Google tutorial actually |
| 19:49.31 | acsia | lots of coffee |
| 19:49.46 | zhobbs | Tomasso: that will show you the basic idea of Activities, etc |
| 19:49.52 | michaelnovakjr | invest in coffee ;) |
| 19:50.08 | zhobbs | dump spouse/friends |
| 19:50.22 | michaelnovakjr | stock up on canned food |
| 19:51.28 | michaelnovakjr | quit your job too while you are at it |
| 19:51.54 | acsia | amphetamines and other stimulant if you can find some |
| 19:52.11 | acsia | are you gonna go for it? |
| 19:52.20 | michaelnovakjr | sounds appealing :) |
| 19:52.47 | acsia | reminds me of my uni years :) |
| 19:52.51 | mickrobk | i might suggest frozen pizza over canned food though, easier |
| 19:52.51 | michaelnovakjr | did we scare him away? |
| 19:52.55 | zhobbs | well if he wants to submit an entry for ADC at this point, amphetamines are a really good idea |
| 19:52.56 | michaelnovakjr | true |
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| 19:58.25 | Tomasso | thank you ! |
| 19:58.37 | michaelnovakjr | are you going for the challenge/ |
| 20:02.32 | jasta | lol |
| 20:02.50 | jasta | Tomasso: If you are hoping to participate in the challenge, you can forget it. There is literaly no way in 3 days you will produce a winning submission. |
| 20:03.56 | meus | jasta: so are you done? |
| 20:05.00 | Bonkers | hey, anything is possible in 3 days ;) I wrote an entire recursive ray tracer in college in 3 days |
| 20:06.03 | michaelnovakjr | the mind is different young |
| 20:07.07 | jasta | meus: Nope, but I won't be "done" after the 14th either. My app still has easily 4 more months of development left before I'm completely happy with it. |
| 20:07.33 | meus | jasta: ok, so you will not be in the challange then? or can you join even if it is not complete? |
| 20:08.03 | jasta | I will be submitting with a set of requirements I have laid out to have done by the challenge deadline. Though it is not a mature app, I feel it is deserving of the qualifying grant. |
| 20:08.17 | zhobbs | jasta: you sure you can make Toast's in a non UI thread? |
| 20:08.21 | jasta | zhobbs: Positive. |
| 20:08.56 | romainguy___ | I should take a look at the source to be sure |
| 20:09.01 | jasta | Well, mostly positive. The only gotcha I see in the code is that the view is inflated from the thread you call makeText. |
| 20:09.02 | zhobbs | I'm getting the standard "can't ... when not Looper ..." |
| 20:09.04 | romainguy___ | the fact it works doesn't mean it will always work :) |
| 20:09.12 | jasta | romainguy___: I'm reading the decompiled code :) |
| 20:09.25 | romainguy___ | jasta: aren't you not supposed to decompile the code? :) |
| 20:09.34 | romainguy___ | or supposed not to decompile the code |
| 20:09.42 | zhobbs | haha, he's getting thrown out of the challege |
| 20:09.50 | zhobbs | :) |
| 20:10.15 | jasta | romainguy___: Whatever ;) |
| 20:10.41 | B0jangles | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.44 | jasta | romainguy___: At any rate, the only part of Toast that might not be thread-safe to me would be the call to ViewInflate. |
| 20:10.55 | zhobbs | B0jangles: it's in the terms you accept to d/l |
| 20:11.02 | B0jangles | oh yeah |
| 20:11.02 | jasta | I assume that inflating views can occur in a non-UI thread, and the View then attached to the UI in a UI thread. |
| 20:11.05 | B0jangles | forgot about that |
| 20:11.32 | romainguy___ | jasta: if ViewInflate does the attach to the parent, then inflate() has to be invoked from the UI thread |
| 20:11.32 | B0jangles | I wonder why they care... |
| 20:11.45 | B0jangles | If it's going to be open sourced eventually anyway |
| 20:11.50 | zhobbs | B0jangles: they really shouldn't... |
| 20:11.55 | jasta | romainguy___: It does not. The Toast is instantiated, then viewinflate is called and the resulting view associated with the result later. |
| 20:11.58 | zhobbs | B0jangles: and probably really don't |
| 20:12.08 | jasta | romainguy___: Then, the View is posted to the UI thread and attached to the window. |
| 20:12.30 | romainguy___ | hmm |
| 20:12.34 | romainguy___ | but it also manipulates the text view |
| 20:12.36 | B0jangles | just BS from the legal dept... |
| 20:12.37 | romainguy___ | calling setText |
| 20:13.04 | jasta | but wouldn't that be safe assuming that the View is not attached yet and thus not being drawn? |
| 20:13.29 | romainguy___ | jasta: still, that doesn't mean you can manipulate it from a non-UI thread |
| 20:13.33 | romainguy___ | the rule is pretty simple |
| 20:13.35 | romainguy___ | View == UI thread |
| 20:13.59 | romainguy___ | unless we explicitly say it's safe to use form a non UI thread, don't assume you can |
| 20:14.03 | romainguy___ | even by reading the code |
| 20:14.05 | zhobbs | jasta: I'm getting: java.lang.RuntimeException: Can't create handler inside thread that has not called Looper.prepare(), at android.os.Handler.<init>(Handler.java:94), at android.widget.Toast.<init>(Toast.java:348), at android.widget.Toast.makeText(Toast.java:209) |
| 20:14.07 | romainguy___ | (which might change at any time) |
| 20:14.11 | jasta | I understand the general convention, but I suspect that in this case, it would be safe. I see your point, however. |
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| 20:15.43 | jasta | Google's ApiDemos code does this too, though. Unless services run in the UI thread? |
| 20:16.22 | romainguy___ | I don't care if you suspect it's safe, if it's not documented to be safe, it's not safe :)) |
| 20:16.45 | michaelnovakjr | need to be careful when flirting with the thread safe boundaries |
| 20:17.36 | jasta | romainguy___: Fair enough; but then is a service's main thread considered a UI thread? |
| 20:17.43 | jasta | (not the binder threads) |
| 20:17.44 | romainguy___ | I have no idea |
| 20:17.56 | jasta | Well, the ApiDemos assume that it is, I think. |
| 20:17.58 | romainguy___ | what's the ApiDemo? |
| 20:18.07 | jasta | since two services there make and show a Toast in onDestroy |
| 20:19.10 | jasta | romainguy___: AlarmService_Service and RemoteService_Service |
| 20:19.22 | jasta | or rather, RemoteService |
| 20:19.44 | romainguy___ | a Service is an ApplicationContext |
| 20:19.52 | romainguy___ | so it will run on a UI thread I believe |
| 20:20.15 | jasta | I initially was using Toast, incorrectly, from a binder thread in my service. |
| 20:20.19 | romainguy___ | yes |
| 20:20.22 | romainguy___ | it does use a UI thread |
| 20:20.28 | jasta | So I implemented a handler, and assumed that the Service ran in the UI thread. |
| 20:20.37 | romainguy___ | (really called an ApplicationThread internally) |
| 20:20.40 | jasta | Though I was not sure if that was true, or if Toast was thread-safe. That was the reason for my exploration. |
| 20:21.36 | jasta | I am invoking Toasts only in the event of unrecoverable errors, though. |
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| 20:22.04 | michaelnovakjr | question: can a service be run in another thread? |
| 20:22.07 | jasta | I assume that my software has numerous bugs at present, so I try to report them meaningfully. |
| 20:22.23 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: No, but a service could start its own thread. In that case, you'd want to use a handler as I am. |
| 20:23.09 | michaelnovakjr | yea, i have a service starting its own thread |
| 20:23.30 | jasta | romainguy___: I also assume in my applications that each service connection runs in its own BinderThread, is that true? |
| 20:23.50 | romainguy___ | no idea, ask hackbod on the mailing list |
| 20:24.14 | B0jangles | there's a mailing list? |
| 20:24.20 | zhobbs | haha |
| 20:24.33 | f00f- | i dont use a handler in a service, i just use a runnable |
| 20:24.36 | romainguy___ | B0jangles: the newsgroup, same thing |
| 20:24.36 | michaelnovakjr | i get a classnotfound exception when running through the onStart method for the Service |
| 20:24.39 | B0jangles | oh |
| 20:24.46 | f00f- | and i never could set a handler through AIDL =[ |
| 20:25.23 | zhobbs | can you use NNTP to access the mailing list?? |
| 20:28.45 | michaelnovakjr | is the mailing list big? |
| 20:29.25 | zhobbs | android-developer is pretty active |
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| 20:38.14 | jasta | romainguy___: Yikes, I was auditing my code and caught that I was using RemoteCallbackList as though it was thread-safe. |
| 20:39.34 | zhobbs | Hmmm...added TabActivity to my application and now I'm getting StackOverflowErrors |
| 20:40.56 | jasta | zhobbs: It's possible that the complexity of your view hierarchy has exceeded the stack limit Android has. |
| 20:41.05 | jasta | That happened to me already. |
| 20:41.11 | zhobbs | yeah, I think I'm there |
| 20:41.26 | zhobbs | well...that kinda sucks |
| 20:41.30 | jasta | It's especially likely if you use ViewInflate.inflate since it is typically adding an extra unnecessary layer. |
| 20:41.41 | zhobbs | that's when it breaks |
| 20:41.52 | zhobbs | and adapter that inflates each row |
| 20:41.56 | jasta | I had to adjust some parts of my code to attach the inflated views to its parent myself. |
| 20:41.58 | zhobbs | s/and/an |
| 20:42.05 | jasta | and not the outer view. |
| 20:42.09 | michaelnovakjr | i have a Runnable defined in my service... the thread is created and the run method is called. I have it call a method from the service, and it gets caught up there and doesn't finish |
| 20:42.15 | zhobbs | Ohh...that might be the prob |
| 20:42.49 | jasta | zhobbs: For example in compound controls, you would typically extend a Layout, and then still call ViewInflate.inflate |
| 20:43.02 | jasta | But your XML-defined layout is probably wrapped in its own Layout |
| 20:43.24 | jasta | So your control is a LinearLayout, which contains simply a LinearLayout (and then the rest of your view). |
| 20:44.04 | zhobbs | so extend linear layout, inflate in this linearlayout and create instances of this linearlayout to use in adapter... |
| 20:44.20 | jasta | I avoided this in certain critical cases by using ViewInflate.inflate, then looping through the yielded view's children and attaching them manually. |
| 20:44.47 | jasta | I have heard that the next SDK makes this problem go away though. |
| 20:45.14 | romainguy___ | *a* next SDK |
| 20:45.21 | zhobbs | heh |
| 20:45.29 | romainguy___ | but yes |
| 20:45.39 | romainguy___ | as of this week we have <include /> and <ViewStub /> |
| 20:46.32 | zhobbs | jasta: so when you inflate the view what are you using for parent? |
| 20:47.40 | jasta | null |
| 20:50.59 | Tomasso | how do I set up transitions between application layouts? |
| 20:51.10 | Tomasso | based on user input |
| 20:53.29 | michaelnovakjr | hey you're back :) |
| 20:53.48 | zhobbs | Tomasso: will be built into future SDK's |
| 20:54.06 | zhobbs | you can animate switching different Views with ViewAnimator, but can't animate Activities yet |
| 20:54.21 | michaelnovakjr | if you stop a service that starts a thread, when the service dies the thread dies to correct? |
| 20:55.01 | B0jangles | it dies to correct what? |
| 20:55.12 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
| 20:55.26 | michaelnovakjr | oh sorry discard the to in there |
| 20:55.41 | michaelnovakjr | or put another o, too |
| 20:56.11 | michaelnovakjr | basically if the service is shutdown the thread goes with it, right? |
| 20:56.15 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: Not necssarily. |
| 20:56.20 | jasta | necessarily* |
| 20:56.54 | jasta | If your process is still alive (for other reasons), the thread won't die. |
| 20:56.54 | michaelnovakjr | how can you make sure that it does? or is that something that i don't need to worry about? |
| 20:57.17 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: You make sure it does by stopping your thread. You can interrupt the thread and wait for it to die (using join) |
| 20:57.30 | jasta | and then in the thread itself, make sure that it responds meaningfully to the interrupt. |
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| 21:00.25 | zhobbs | jasta: how do you get the View's children? |
| 21:00.43 | jasta | zhobbs: getChildCount and getChildAt (cast it to a ViewGroup, since you know that it is) |
| 21:01.53 | zhobbs | hmm...I'm using a RelativeLayout, layout params might be tricky |
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| 21:05.47 | jasta | zhobbs: getLayoutParams() |
| 21:05.57 | jasta | or whatever the method is. |
| 21:06.19 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 21:07.37 | zhobbs | jasta: http://android.pastebin.com/m33675de8 |
| 21:08.01 | zhobbs | still get stackOverflow...maybe I'm just screwed |
| 21:09.12 | jasta | zhobbs: You may be *way* over the limit :) |
| 21:09.20 | jasta | investigate your view hierarchy to see how big it is |
| 21:09.43 | zhobbs | pretty big --- |
| 21:09.50 | romainguy___ | I made a change in post-M5 to improve that |
| 21:09.56 | jasta | btw you should use addView(child, child.getLayoutParams()); |
| 21:10.04 | romainguy___ | jasta: no |
| 21:10.08 | zhobbs | jasta: gives error |
| 21:10.09 | romainguy___ | jasta: addView(child) will do the same |
| 21:10.17 | romainguy___ | in M5 your hierarchy can be at most about 15 levels deep |
| 21:10.24 | romainguy___ | starting from the top (title bar, etc.) |
| 21:10.27 | jasta | romainguy___: Oh, nevermind then :) |
| 21:11.09 | jasta | zhobbs: You can implement your own Layouts that don't requir as much depth :\ |
| 21:11.17 | jasta | zhobbs: But I'd investigate how deep it is (through code) |
| 21:11.19 | romainguy___ | that's usually the best solution |
| 21:11.20 | jasta | so that you can find places to target |
| 21:11.26 | romainguy___ | it's also much more efficient for drawing and layout |
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| 21:22.38 | jasta | romainguy___: i never did figure out that RelativeLayout problem from last night. |
| 21:23.14 | zhobbs | well...I got rid of one level and it works now...right not the threshold |
| 21:23.25 | zhobbs | on* |
| 21:23.26 | jasta | do you have any insight? when i used layout_centerInParent for testing, it centered horizontally but then was half way off the top of the edge of the parent |
| 21:23.37 | jasta | zhobbs: My app runs right on the edge too ;P |
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| 21:28.42 | zhobbs | crap...unless I scroll my listview! stackoverflow when I scroll |
| 21:29.12 | jasta | why would you get that? is your depth increasing? |
| 21:29.21 | zhobbs | no |
| 21:29.30 | zhobbs | all the views in the list are the same |
| 21:29.36 | jasta | hmm |
| 21:29.43 | jasta | well, try reducing one more layer :) |
| 21:30.09 | zhobbs | romain said the title bar counts huh? |
| 21:43.36 | zhobbs | how do I specify an absolute height/width for a View in code? |
| 21:43.55 | zhobbs | just pass values to LayoutParams |
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| 21:57.35 | jasta | zhobbs: yeah, you lose all the unit fanciness, but i think it's just in pixels |
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| 22:14.05 | jjt001 | quick question |
| 22:14.08 | jjt001 | i have a radiogroup |
| 22:14.38 | jjt001 | once a user selects an item they cannot change all of the items in the radiogroup to unselected |
| 22:15.18 | jasta | that's because that's how radio groups are supposed to work; if you want a "None", you should add a None option. |
| 22:15.19 | jjt001 | for example, if they click a choice and later decide they don't want to mark any choices, they have no way of deselecting the entire group |
| 22:15.33 | jjt001 | jasta: how do i do that |
| 22:15.39 | jjt001 | sorry |
| 22:15.43 | jjt001 | nvr mind |
| 22:15.47 | jasta | uhm ;) |
| 22:16.02 | jjt001 | jasta: i thought you were trying to say something elese |
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| 22:23.06 | davidw | and the hacks roll on.... |
| 22:25.03 | jasta | davidw: ? |
| 22:25.26 | davidw | command line tool to insert intent receiver hack thing... |
| 22:25.30 | davidw | it's pretty ugly:-/ |
| 22:26.06 | jasta | uhhh, ok? |
| 22:27.39 | davidw | you might want to write a hecl script that acts as an intent receiver |
| 22:28.00 | acsia | davidw: so? you used the word hack twice without bursting out some code |
| 22:28.33 | davidw | I just wrote the code |
| 22:28.37 | acsia | davidw:have you submitted your hecl project already? |
| 22:28.45 | davidw | no, still tweaking it |
| 22:30.20 | acsia | is it open source? |
| 22:30.27 | davidw | yes, Apache license |
| 22:30.35 | davidw | you can get it out of svn right now |
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| 22:30.57 | davidw | I'm actually offering to split the proceeds of any winnings with people who contribute code |
| 22:31.20 | davidw | although it's pretty late at this point:-) |
| 22:31.22 | acsia | I might take a look after monday :) I am not sure it is a good idea to play with it right now |
| 22:32.33 | acsia | do you use some kind of jit compiler? |
| 22:35.54 | jasta | RelativeLayout is driving me insane :( |
| 22:36.08 | jasta | i might just extend my own Layout just to stop futzing with this thing :) |
| 22:36.14 | chomchom | I feel your pain man. |
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| 22:37.02 | davidw | acsia, no, it's just a simple interpreter |
| 22:37.46 | davidw | that's part of what makes it small |
| 22:39.18 | proq | is there a media player for android, for playing .3gp or .mov or .flv, etc. files? |
| 22:39.56 | acsia | you should check back on monday |
| 22:40.26 | John_P2 | there is a link to sample apps on the first page of dev forum |
| 22:40.31 | acsia | not sure about .mov .flv as it is proprietary afaik |
| 22:41.29 | proq | acsia: what happens on monday? |
| 22:41.54 | acsia | the google challenge deadline |
| 22:42.00 | chomchom | John_P2: which dev forum are you reffering to? |
| 22:42.32 | proq | John_P2: indeed. but nothing remotely similar to a movie player |
| 22:42.55 | acsia | you might want to join forces with tomasso if you are interested in submitting something ^^ |
| 22:43.13 | proq | John_P2: phone vendors always provide movie players with their systems |
| 22:43.44 | John_P2 | oh, the Media Sample Apps by Megha isn't what you're looking for? |
| 22:43.46 | proq | acsia: nah, I decided a month ago not to go with anything |
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| 22:44.25 | John_P2 | sample of 1) MediaPlayerTest, 2) MediaRecorder, 3) VideoViewDemo |
| 22:44.39 | chomchom | John_P2: you mentioned a dev forum, which one did you mean? |
| 22:44.44 | proq | John_P2: oh, that looks promising. thanks |
| 22:44.45 | jjt001 | is there any way to programatically deselect all of the radiobuttons in a radiogroup |
| 22:44.50 | acsia | proq: I kid, tomasso thought he could learn android in 3 day... and I definitely need some rest after this |
| 22:45.09 | John_P2 | the main google group dev forum. direct link is: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/web/media-sample-apps |
| 22:45.19 | jjt001 | would RadioGroup.unpress() |
| 22:45.20 | jjt001 | work |
| 22:45.30 | proq | acsia: well, you can learn it in three days. but unless you have something really amazing to port, 3 days isn't going to cut it :P |
| 22:45.45 | chomchom | ah the group, just checking |
| 22:46.06 | jjt001 | everyone here done with their apps? |
| 22:46.22 | acsia | nope |
| 22:46.27 | chomchom | the last 20/80 :) |
| 22:46.27 | proq | acsia: plus I signed this agreement not to work on other software with my current employer |
| 22:46.45 | jjt001 | acisa: do you know how to deselect the contents of a radiogroup |
| 22:46.52 | jjt001 | would radiogroup.unpress () work |
| 22:46.57 | romainguy___ | jjt001: no, you have to use clearCheck() |
| 22:47.07 | jjt001 | romainguy__: thanks |
| 22:47.18 | romainguy___ | read the docs... |
| 22:47.20 | acsia | proq: this is my 'free' time |
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| 22:48.46 | proq | acsia: i c |
| 22:48.54 | acsia | anybody have a good suggestion on icon sets? |
| 22:48.59 | John_P2 | I'm trying to extend a view to add functionality, but find the attribute specification via code difficult. So I'm wondering if there's a way to specify the styles in XML and "pull" it in? I'm aware of view.inflate(), but my understanding is that that gets you an instantiated view that you can set in an Activity. |
| 22:50.49 | acsia | John_P2: I don t get what you are trying to do |
| 22:51.34 | chomchom | acsia: fam fam fam is the best quality for free but they are for the web. I would reommend iconshock if you are going to pay for the icons |
| 22:51.50 | John_P2 | In other words, using XML layouts isn't sufficient for me because I wanna override some of that view's functions. So I'm extending the view. But now, I don't have the XML luxury anymore. |
| 22:51.57 | acsia | thx |
| 22:52.28 | acsia | why would you need the xml if you are doing it programmatically |
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| 22:53.09 | jasta | romainguy___: hehe, are you ignoring me? be honest ;) |
| 22:53.17 | John_P2 | because I'm having a hard time finding how to set the styles. They're not verbatim same as the XML version |
| 22:53.35 | John_P2 | plus, I already have the XML layout =) |
| 22:54.02 | acsia | John_P2: I would suggest to build as much as possible in your xml and use <view code=""> tag for the programmatical part |
| 22:54.23 | John_P2 | oh interesting. I did not know that tag. |
| 22:55.04 | acsia | afaik all the style can be set in xml or programmatically |
| 22:55.24 | acsia | that s how you would set a google map for instance in the xml |
| 22:59.13 | romainguy___ | jasta: about what? |
| 22:59.26 | romainguy___ | John_P2: you can use custom Views in XML |
| 23:00.20 | acsia | is there menu exemple in the API Demos? |
| 23:01.44 | romainguy___ | and you guys should try to always use XML |
| 23:01.59 | romainguy___ | since it lets you support different screen resolutions, orientation, languages, etc. |
| 23:03.13 | acsia | romainguy___: how would you package xml into jars so it is usable accross several apps? |
| 23:03.42 | romainguy___ | I don't think we support this yet |
| 23:04.07 | acsia | k, I ve been using java for custom components |
| 23:04.16 | romainguy___ | you can write custom components in Java |
| 23:04.22 | romainguy___ | but you can use these components from XML |
| 23:04.29 | romainguy___ | Home does exactly that for instance |
| 23:04.40 | romainguy___ | the button on the right use a custom layout called ApplicationStackLayout |
| 23:04.53 | romainguy___ | it's a Java class but it's use from XML, in layout-port and layout-land |
| 23:05.14 | davidw | cool - can we see the source code to see how it's done?:-) |
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| 23:05.17 | acsia | interesting |
| 23:05.32 | acsia | :) yes I was looking to do something similar |
| 23:05.35 | romainguy___ | davidw: I'd like to put Home as a sample in the next SDK |
| 23:05.42 | romainguy___ | I don't know if it's gonna happen though |
| 23:05.56 | romainguy___ | it'd be nice because Home demonstrates many many features of our UI toolkit |
| 23:06.06 | davidw | is still contemplating the scripting of intent receivers.... |
| 23:06.32 | romainguy___ | styles, custom attributes, custom widgets, custom adapters, animations, layout animations, text colors, etc. etc. |
| 23:06.32 | John_P2 | romainguy__: oh that makes sense |
| 23:12.59 | chomchom | yeah I agree, that would be a helpful example |
| 23:21.27 | atmishere | can we run all C in android??? |
| 23:22.39 | jasta | romainguy___: about the RelativeLayout problem I'm having. |
| 23:23.01 | jasta | the basic layout is: |
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| 23:23.57 | jasta | <Relative width=fill height=wrap> <Linear width=fill height=fill> ...stuff </Linear> <TextView width=84dip height=fill centerInParent=true /> </Relative> |
| 23:24.15 | jasta | centerInParent was used as a test, i really want alignParentRight eventually |
| 23:24.32 | jasta | anyway, the behaviour is very unusual: the TextView is centered horizontally, but placed half way off the top edge of the parent view. |
| 23:24.40 | jasta | (this is an element in a list, if that matters) |
| 23:25.09 | atmishere | can we run all C in android??? |
| 23:25.37 | jasta | what i'm trying to accomplish is to just have a right-hanging TextView that can draw over the top of whatever's under it. |
| 23:25.44 | jasta | without affecting the flow of the linearlayout |
| 23:25.58 | jasta | i have done something similar with the AlphabetBar, but that worked and this doesn't :) |
| 23:26.13 | jasta | my first thought was that this was a baseline alignment problem, but i tried shutting it off |
| 23:27.07 | romainguy___ | RelativeLayout doesn't support baseline alignment by default |
| 23:27.13 | romainguy___ | you have to use the alignBaseline attribute |
| 23:27.19 | jasta | well nevermind then. |
| 23:28.05 | jasta | i'm completely lost trying to solve this. if i set visibility=gone on the main LinearLayout, it still draws the textview half way off the edge, but it does make the total height of the row less (as i'd expect) |
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| 23:32.22 | jasta | i'm very confused :P |
| 23:33.58 | romainguy___ | it's probably because of the order in which stuff are processed in RelativeLayout |
| 23:34.07 | romainguy___ | also |
| 23:34.13 | romainguy___ | your relative layout is wrap_content |
| 23:34.18 | romainguy___ | but both the children are fill_parent |
| 23:34.29 | romainguy___ | that certainly doesn't help the relative layout compute an appropriate height |
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| 23:35.58 | jasta | hmm |
| 23:36.23 | jasta | well what can i do? :) |
| 23:36.57 | romainguy___ | just use a linearlayout with negative margins |
| 23:37.39 | jasta | hmm |
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| 23:38.01 | jasta | to just "attach" a fill_parent view to the right-hand side? |
| 23:39.23 | romainguy___ | <LinearLayout vertical> |
| 23:39.47 | romainguy___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.00 | romainguy___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.04 | romainguy___ | </LinearLayout> |
| 23:40.14 | romainguy___ | and in TextView you set the text align to right |
| 23:40.46 | jasta | well, the whole reason i want the textview to fill the parent is because i have a special background i'm attaching to it. |
| 23:41.04 | romainguy___ | then put the background on the parent |
| 23:41.38 | jasta | my end goal with this is to have a listing of tracks on an album. when the song is clicked, a bar will slide out saying "enqueued", hold for a few moments, then slide back away. |
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| 23:44.34 | jasta | actually, if you have a suggestion for a better UI, i'm all ears :) |
| 23:45.10 | jasta | i hate that ipods automatically play songs when you click them, even if the playlist is already playing. |
| 23:45.43 | jasta | so if you choose music while the playlist is active, the behaviour is to enqueue to play next, indicate that with the sliding back, then the bar will tuck away showing the enqueued position (1, 2, 3, etc) |
| 23:46.08 | jasta | if you click the row again, i want the bar to slide back out showing more options like "play now", "play next", "go to playlist", etc. |
| 23:47.02 | acsia | jasta: do you have contextual playlist? |
| 23:51.21 | chomchom | has anyone got any good tab images? |
| 23:51.59 | chomchom | Maybe I should just use the google ones, but I'm sure it's been mentioned that they'd rather we didn't use their images. |
| 23:54.27 | acsia | is that true? |
| 23:55.11 | acsia | chomchom: we meet again, if I start a company, I ll call it vampire consulting |
| 23:55.16 | acsia | because we only work at night :) |
| 23:55.27 | chomchom | man these be the hacking hours |
| 23:55.50 | acsia | I manage to solve my bug this afternoon btw |
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| 23:56.14 | chomchom | the one that you were all "argh game over man" about yeah? |
| 23:56.20 | acsia | I went to bed depressed and woke up in the same mood... really scared as my app is entirely based on that |
| 23:56.25 | acsia | yep |
| 23:56.38 | chomchom | heh |
| 23:56.39 | acsia | so back with a smile |
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