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| 00:26.07 | jtoy | there are 1788 submissions??!!? holy shit |
| 00:27.31 | duey | ya |
| 00:27.48 | jtoy | where is that informatino from? is there an online page that talks about this? |
| 00:27.55 | jtoy | i guess im not winning, haha |
| 00:27.59 | duey | ya on the android blog |
| 00:28.42 | duey | i sure would not like to be a judge |
| 00:29.04 | jtoy | oh ok, ii have to go through a proxy since blogger is blocked here |
| 00:29.19 | duey | ? |
| 00:40.36 | jtoy | china |
| 00:42.17 | jtoy | is there a plave to see a bunch of submitted apps ? |
| 00:46.36 | f00f- | www.helloandroid.com jtoy |
| 00:46.39 | f00f- | is one place |
| 00:46.48 | f00f- | 15% of submissions are there or so |
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| 00:54.10 | jtoy | i should probably put mine up there |
| 00:54.58 | jtoy | how do yo utell if the app there was submitted to the contest |
| 00:55.00 | jtoy | its just a bunch of random apps |
| 00:57.26 | jasta | yawn |
| 00:59.54 | jasta | hehe, china |
| 00:59.57 | jasta | oh boy :) |
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| 01:03.33 | f00f- | jtoy: i don't know why someone would not submit an app to ADC |
| 01:04.48 | Dougie187 | Did i help you understand earlier jasta? |
| 01:17.46 | jasta | I suppose ;) |
| 01:18.33 | jasta | goes back to coding on his Android project |
| 01:18.36 | jasta | so much to do .... |
| 01:18.49 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 01:20.00 | Dougie187 | what are you working on now for it? |
| 01:22.36 | jasta | Dougie187: I'm implementing a much faster sync process |
| 01:22.44 | Dougie187 | Cool |
| 01:23.03 | jasta | A lot of the code that I submitted to the ADC was just placeholder so it would work. Now I want it to work efficiently. |
| 01:23.08 | f00f- | romainguy___: what does this mean: W/SurfaceFlinger( 509): executeScheduledBroadcasts() skipped, contention on the client. We'll try again later... |
| 01:24.43 | f00f- | ok looks like i shouldn't send too many intents |
| 01:24.58 | f00f- | 100 intents for percentage completion is a bad idea :) |
| 01:28.07 | jasta | you'll fight with your design a lot less if you implement a service. |
| 01:28.36 | f00f- | well i'm not really fighting |
| 01:28.40 | f00f- | i do have a service that does the grunt work |
| 01:28.44 | f00f- | it just needs to report progress |
| 01:28.59 | f00f- | today i'm using intents, but i'd like to use a handler |
| 01:29.00 | jasta | then use aidl |
| 01:29.13 | jasta | that's what it's for |
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| 01:34.27 | f00f- | as per your observer paradigm |
| 01:34.27 | f00f- | i didn't get Handler to work over AIDL, but maybe i need to revisit it |
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| 01:35.05 | raboof | how hackable will a typical android phone be? suppose a vcard arrives though bluetooth, can I configure what application(s) get notified about this? |
| 01:35.41 | raboof | would it be possible to remove the applications that came with the phone and replace them with (potentially hacked) open-source alternatives? |
| 01:37.01 | jasta | yes |
| 01:37.14 | jasta | this is all generally anticipated behaviour of the platform |
| 01:37.25 | jasta | though please realize that as it stands now, none of the details are finalized. |
| 01:38.56 | raboof | will probably get an openmoko or android-based phone once those start to become generally available |
| 01:40.00 | raboof | generally it seems the openmoko will be less 'fancy', but on the other hand it remains to be seen to what extent the android offerings will be 'tivoized' or otherwise closed |
| 01:40.16 | raboof | time will have to tell I guess |
| 01:41.08 | jasta | it would not be unreasonable to assume that Android will be a very hackable, open platform. |
| 01:41.24 | jasta | though if you are interested in what specifically it will be capable of, you must wait :) |
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| 04:23.22 | michaelnovakjr_ | howdy folks |
| 04:24.07 | michaelnovakjr_ | anyone have their emulator running? |
| 04:26.46 | umdk1d4 | muhaha i think i found a workaround for this dalvik bug :D |
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| 04:30.05 | michaelnovakjr_ | anyone familiar with the time setup in sqlite? |
| 04:30.11 | michaelnovakjr_ | its GMT right? |
| 04:30.17 | michaelnovakjr_ | not the local offset? |
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| 04:32.46 | muthu | Sat Apr 19 09:54:02 IST 2008 |
| 04:33.08 | michaelnovakjr_ | that is what your sqlite produces? |
| 04:33.40 | muthu | that's my shorthand for good morning |
| 04:33.44 | michaelnovakjr_ | haha |
| 04:33.51 | michaelnovakjr_ | good morning |
| 04:33.57 | muthu | mornin michaelnovakjr_ |
| 04:34.13 | umdk1d4 | darnit i cant switch screens in ssh on android |
| 04:34.20 | michaelnovakjr_ | i'll be back... low battery .... that emulator chews up my laptop battery |
| 04:34.21 | umdk1d4 | doesnt have a notion of ctrl+a |
| 04:34.50 | muthu | umdk1d4: you mean in android |
| 04:34.58 | umdk1d4 | right |
| 04:35.24 | muthu | don't think any keys are available yet |
| 04:35.33 | umdk1d4 | also screen refreshes are slooooow |
| 04:36.00 | muthu | might be an emulator problem |
| 04:36.12 | umdk1d4 | im connected to my server ssh and can resume my screen, but cant switch to other screens |
| 04:36.27 | umdk1d4 | as expected, because there really isnt a "ctrl+a" key combo on android |
| 04:36.38 | umdk1d4 | i think there is aplace to change that key seq in screen config |
| 04:36.49 | umdk1d4 | im typing all this on the emulator ;) |
| 04:36.55 | umdk1d4 | using irssi in screen |
| 04:37.13 | muthu | cool |
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| 05:49.12 | muthu | As Silicon Alley Insider noted, Google has found a way to outsource the cost of Android programming â 1,788 entries thus far, $5 million bucks, working about to about $2,800 per application. |
| 05:50.12 | muthu | people are voting for WIFI army, when they haven't submitted |
| 05:51.51 | michaelnovakjr_ | voting where? |
| 05:52.02 | muthu | in the forums |
| 05:52.09 | michaelnovakjr_ | any weatherphone votes :) |
| 05:52.23 | muthu | yeah, i'm voting it |
| 05:52.29 | michaelnovakjr_ | :) |
| 05:52.33 | michaelnovakjr_ | what's the link? |
| 05:52.42 | muthu | it would be in challenge forum |
| 05:52.44 | muthu | prediction |
| 05:53.00 | michaelnovakjr_ | oh cool |
| 05:53.38 | muthu | your url michael? |
| 05:53.53 | michaelnovakjr_ | http://code.google.com/p/weatherphone |
| 05:53.57 | muthu | ok |
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| 06:06.50 | f00f- | what is wifi army? |
| 06:06.59 | muthu | its a game |
| 06:07.12 | muthu | multi-user lbs game |
| 06:07.35 | michaelnovakjr_ | its not in the challenge? |
| 06:07.44 | muthu | no |
| 06:07.54 | michaelnovakjr_ | any reason? |
| 06:08.06 | muthu | they want a real device |
| 06:08.28 | f00f- | heh |
| 06:08.31 | f00f- | ADC 2 |
| 06:08.33 | muthu | those guys are not for challenges, they are going after the real markets |
| 06:08.44 | muthu | so focusing on iphone/symbian |
| 06:08.54 | f00f- | very good |
| 06:09.04 | f00f- | adc is great to get a jumpstart |
| 06:10.08 | muthu | right, and wifi army already has investors |
| 06:10.19 | michaelnovakjr_ | gggrrrr |
| 06:10.25 | f00f- | checks |
| 06:10.29 | michaelnovakjr_ | i doubt my app will ever get investors |
| 06:10.47 | muthu | why? |
| 06:11.01 | michaelnovakjr_ | its not a selling product |
| 06:11.05 | michaelnovakjr_ | its free |
| 06:11.25 | dueynz | muthu, investors? |
| 06:11.29 | dueynz | i thought it was a lame idea |
| 06:11.30 | f00f- | google search is free :) |
| 06:11.43 | f00f- | seriously, you go for the market |
| 06:11.44 | muthu | investors are for people with huge needs |
| 06:11.47 | f00f- | key is to get users first |
| 06:11.49 | michaelnovakjr_ | true, but advertising |
| 06:12.03 | dueynz | or people who are all talk and no action |
| 06:12.07 | muthu | some apps require heavy infrastructure to be setup |
| 06:12.08 | michaelnovakjr_ | muthu: i have huge needs once going 100% live |
| 06:12.13 | michaelnovakjr_ | that's me :) |
| 06:12.21 | muthu | no, your app must demand it |
| 06:12.28 | muthu | look at your app requirments |
| 06:12.40 | f00f- | my app pushes a LOT out to the client |
| 06:12.43 | f00f- | reduces server demands |
| 06:12.43 | michaelnovakjr_ | the server side requirements are certainly there |
| 06:12.51 | f00f- | there's somehting tobe said about thick-clients |
| 06:13.04 | f00f- | now that android supports a host of features |
| 06:13.07 | f00f- | might as well push it out |
| 06:13.12 | muthu | anyone can go searching for investors.. your choice |
| 06:13.14 | f00f- | similar problem i see with this web 2.0 garbage |
| 06:13.21 | f00f- | people try to push everything to the server |
| 06:13.26 | f00f- | which is a step in the wrong direction |
| 06:13.37 | f00f- | although it depends on the application, of course |
| 06:13.52 | muthu | right, depends on apps |
| 06:14.01 | michaelnovakjr_ | of course |
| 06:14.19 | f00f- | but people just blindly assume thin clients nowadays |
| 06:14.39 | f00f- | also, it's important to support disconnected operation |
| 06:15.00 | muthu | right in local mode |
| 06:15.21 | f00f- | yeah. with android it's easy :) |
| 06:15.27 | f00f- | got a nice SQLite database |
| 06:15.39 | michaelnovakjr_ | gotta love the nice SQLite |
| 06:15.53 | f00f- | usually yeah |
| 06:16.15 | f00f- | i'm having to revamp my O(n!) algorithm |
| 06:16.18 | f00f- | to cache SQL data upfront |
| 06:16.50 | f00f- | since i do about 100 q/min in worst case |
| 06:17.09 | muthu | f00f-: what you do? |
| 06:17.30 | f00f- | generate schedules given certain constraints and timetables |
| 06:17.45 | muthu | great |
| 06:25.31 | mihoshi | There are other choice than "on server" and "on client"... |
| 06:25.47 | muthu | mihoshi: like what? |
| 06:26.03 | mihoshi | On other client :) |
| 06:26.13 | f00f- | hah |
| 06:26.30 | michaelnovakjr_ | bluetooth ice cream man |
| 06:26.50 | f00f- | for shore |
| 06:26.51 | muthu | lol |
| 06:26.52 | mihoshi | I was thinking more about decentralised networks... |
| 06:26.55 | muthu | icecream man |
| 06:27.00 | michaelnovakjr_ | haha |
| 06:27.17 | muthu | mihoshi: can you explain |
| 06:27.19 | muthu | ? |
| 06:31.28 | mihoshi | Like torrent:) |
| 06:31.54 | muthu | right |
| 06:32.07 | mihoshi | No central server, but most client can work kinda as a server |
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| 06:32.20 | muthu | peer to peer |
| 06:33.57 | f00f- | decentralized is the way to go |
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| 08:11.43 | jasta | great, more libsyncml bugs :( |
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| 08:41.31 | ligi | re |
| 08:41.56 | muthu | hi ligi |
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| 08:42.09 | ligi | aloha muthu |
| 08:42.43 | ligi | now its weekend & i can do android stuff again ,-) |
| 08:43.00 | muthu | what do you do, normal? |
| 08:43.10 | ligi | muthu: j2me |
| 08:43.25 | muthu | hmm.. which one you like? |
| 08:43.35 | ligi | def Android |
| 08:43.39 | ligi | muthu: http://www.smart4mobile.com/ |
| 08:43.44 | muthu | cool |
| 08:44.38 | muthu | site looks great |
| 08:44.45 | ligi | thanx |
| 08:44.59 | muthu | porting to android? |
| 08:45.19 | ligi | muthu: yes - i'll generate this too |
| 08:45.26 | ligi | muthu: i have a code generator |
| 08:45.35 | muthu | woah |
| 08:45.44 | muthu | j2me to android - that would be great |
| 08:45.53 | ligi | muthu: actually its generating from xml to j2me and from xml to javascript |
| 08:46.01 | ligi | made my diploma about this |
| 08:46.08 | muthu | ok.. so xml to android then |
| 08:46.12 | ligi | yes |
| 08:46.19 | muthu | wow |
| 08:46.29 | ligi | made my own abstraction layer |
| 08:46.54 | muthu | sounds good |
| 08:46.57 | ligi | too many bugs@j2me phones -> i needed an automatism to handle this |
| 08:47.27 | muthu | hmm |
| 08:52.10 | ligi | muthu: du u code for work? |
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| 08:52.32 | muthu | i am managin my company |
| 08:52.38 | muthu | http://mobeegal.in |
| 08:52.54 | muthu | a little active in coding |
| 08:53.03 | muthu | totally part time |
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| 08:54.13 | ligi | muthu: hehe - search engine - if the google judges wanna to hear this ;-) |
| 08:54.30 | muthu | did not submit this yet |
| 08:54.42 | ligi | ah |
| 08:54.42 | ligi | k |
| 08:54.52 | muthu | did another with a friend of mine |
| 08:54.57 | muthu | a cooking app |
| 08:55.00 | muthu | :) |
| 08:55.03 | ligi | muthu: adc II ? |
| 08:55.09 | muthu | probably |
| 08:55.15 | muthu | but bigger visions for mobeegal |
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| 08:55.15 | ligi | cooking roxx |
| 08:55.20 | muthu | oh yea |
| 08:55.32 | muthu | ours must be the best cooking app submitted! |
| 08:55.56 | ligi | especialy indian food - Tandoori Chicken iss my favorite! |
| 08:56.03 | muthu | oh yeah |
| 08:56.06 | muthu | kebabs |
| 08:56.27 | ligi | ;-) |
| 08:56.33 | muthu | biriyani |
| 08:56.34 | muthu | dosa |
| 08:56.34 | muthu | roti |
| 08:56.42 | muthu | tell me one german dish, i must try |
| 08:57.01 | ligi | muthu: Bratwurst mit Sauerkraut |
| 08:57.12 | muthu | ok, i'll remember |
| 08:57.17 | muthu | bms |
| 08:57.19 | ligi | muthu: had it yesterday with my old studend kollegs |
| 08:57.30 | muthu | what is it? |
| 08:58.02 | ligi | grilling meat |
| 08:58.09 | muthu | love it |
| 08:58.20 | ligi | its getting summer here |
| 08:58.30 | muthu | want to come for that beer festival |
| 08:58.34 | ligi | so making a fire outside and put meat over it |
| 08:58.39 | ligi | muthu: dont do this! |
| 08:58.43 | muthu | yummy! |
| 08:58.51 | muthu | why? |
| 08:58.54 | ligi | muthu: you dont wanna see it |
| 08:59.04 | ligi | hates beer |
| 08:59.08 | zod | beer festival? |
| 08:59.21 | muthu | ligi: really? you don't drink? |
| 08:59.48 | ligi | muthu: may one glas of wine / day - mostly one per month |
| 08:59.57 | muthu | ok |
| 09:00.21 | ligi | muthu: thats my kind of festival: http://www.rcmovie.de/video/0e8b06d1204a171010b3/Flying-Objects-CCC-2007 |
| 09:00.56 | muthu | i know |
| 09:01.22 | muthu | you seem to be a UFO guy ;) |
| 09:01.30 | ligi | yes |
| 09:01.32 | ligi | !-) |
| 09:01.46 | ligi | i like crazy gadgeds |
| 09:01.58 | davidw | is kind of tired of beer - that's all they drink here |
| 09:02.11 | ligi | davidw: where is here? |
| 09:02.13 | muthu | davidw: what you drink? |
| 09:02.27 | davidw | wine |
| 09:02.29 | davidw | austria |
| 09:02.44 | muthu | wine is great, but we don't get decent ones in india |
| 09:02.58 | ligi | Club Mate for ever |
| 09:03.01 | ligi | !!-) |
| 09:03.05 | muthu | we have "wine shops" - selling all kinds of liquour |
| 09:03.32 | davidw | beer is nice when it's hot out |
| 09:03.36 | davidw | but it's not often hot here |
| 09:03.49 | muthu | right |
| 09:03.57 | muthu | beer is great in chennai |
| 09:04.03 | muthu | hot & humid |
| 09:04.16 | ligi | *shudder* |
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| 09:04.40 | muthu | weekend.. yay! |
| 09:04.47 | muthu | need to take my family out, first |
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| 09:36.53 | jasta | well hey that's not too bad, got the sync time down to 7m. |
| 09:37.03 | jasta | still more room for improvement though :) |
| 09:39.35 | muthu | wow, cool |
| 09:39.42 | muthu | make it 30 sec |
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| 09:45.41 | jasta | and that includes downloading the 300x300 album artwork |
| 09:45.44 | jasta | haven't even started that yet |
| 09:50.33 | jasta | well at least i have wbxml support in here now |
| 09:52.11 | davidw | have any of you guys looked at this java phone me stuff? |
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| 09:56.12 | mihoshi | jasta: Is syncing done in background? |
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| 09:59.29 | jasta | In a way :) |
| 09:59.46 | jasta | It is implemented by a service, which generally runs away from the user's attention |
| 09:59.59 | jasta | but the first time the system is installed, it will not permit you to use it until the data is synchronized |
| 10:00.31 | jasta | which is the case i'm trying to optimize. normal syncing would complete in a matter of seconds |
| 10:00.41 | jasta | and would be away from the user's attention completely |
| 10:05.17 | jasta | perfect. i got it to 5m. i'm leaving it there for a while :) |
| 10:05.35 | jasta | it was 36m before i optimized any of this ;) |
| 10:06.32 | jasta | now it's time to work on the server |
| 10:06.44 | jasta | i'd like to have a GNOME GUI built by next weekend |
| 10:09.12 | davidw | dammit.... I can't believe how screwy applets/firefox are |
| 10:09.15 | jasta | anyway, for now, sleep |
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| 14:25.54 | rhett | hola androiders |
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| 14:53.46 | ligi_ | re |
| 14:56.04 | mihoshi | Is kxml2 dom parser better than standard java one? |
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| 15:28.41 | charlls | heyo |
| 15:29.23 | charlls | just wondering, its possible, or reliable, these days to flash a different OS on a PDA/pocket PC /smartphone? |
| 15:31.09 | charlls | i want to buy a particular pda, which comes with windows mobile 6.1 professional, and i was thinking in installing android on it if possible. |
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| 15:31.40 | charlls | is this a stupid question? |
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| 15:59.48 | living_sword | how r u guys planning to earn off ur apps ? i mean r u going alone or subscribing to something like SlideME ? |
| 16:03.01 | davidw | I m makin the moneyz |
| 16:03.35 | mihoshi | I plan to attach it to resume and get a work in a sane programming company... |
| 16:05.36 | living_sword | hmm |
| 16:05.39 | mihoshi | May be Google will make some service for selling apps, btw. Like Steam... |
| 16:06.30 | mihoshi | May be somewone make a client for such service for ADC :) |
| 16:06.56 | living_sword | there r couple of those clients already |
| 16:07.13 | mihoshi | Urls, please:) |
| 16:07.15 | living_sword | i know of trackdroid , slideme and droidstor |
| 16:07.34 | mihoshi | Oh, as I expected:) |
| 16:08.29 | living_sword | there will be lots more when the phones r out |
| 16:08.36 | mihoshi | Thanks |
| 16:09.46 | mihoshi | This thing goes over the edge somewhat... Does Android really need dozens of equivalent apps? |
| 16:10.52 | living_sword | competition is always good. |
| 16:11.03 | mihoshi | Or may be Google will select some and buy, to preinstall on the Android... |
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| 16:11.32 | living_sword | i think that decision will be with HTC |
| 16:11.52 | mihoshi | HTC? |
| 16:12.26 | living_sword | they r supposed to come out with the first set of android phones. |
| 16:13.28 | mihoshi | What HTC means, exactly? |
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| 16:14.25 | living_sword | high tech computers i suppose, |
| 16:15.33 | mihoshi | Ah, HTC like in "HTC's Android Handset Coming 6 May" :) |
| 16:15.47 | living_sword | yes |
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| 16:45.28 | rhett | i'm feeling pretty good about this 1788 number |
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| 16:46.03 | ligi | rhett: ;-) |
| 16:46.09 | ligi | rhett: expected more? |
| 16:46.22 | rhett | yeah |
| 16:46.30 | rhett | i thought maybe closer to 9k |
| 16:47.02 | ligi | 9k apps is pretty much |
| 16:47.59 | ligi | rhett: what have u submitted? |
| 16:48.21 | rhett | just 1 app |
| 16:49.05 | rhett | i think we have a pretty good shot. We should really start working for the potential finalist awards though |
| 16:49.13 | rhett | i'd like to know how that is going to work out |
| 16:49.24 | ligi | ;-) |
| 16:49.48 | ligi | what kind of app? |
| 16:49.51 | rhett | did you submit some, ligi? |
| 16:50.15 | ligi | rhett: yes: http://www.mikrokopter.de/ucwiki/en/DUBwise |
| 16:51.49 | rhett | our app is secret for the time being :( |
| 16:52.10 | ligi | secret suxx sorry |
| 16:52.12 | ligi | ^^ |
| 16:52.24 | ligi | open stuff roxx |
| 16:52.27 | ligi | ;-) |
| 16:52.54 | rhett | well, we might still be open source |
| 16:53.07 | ligi | ah k |
| 16:53.11 | rhett | it depends on android's distribution model, which is secret as well |
| 16:53.17 | ligi | lol |
| 16:55.10 | ligi | rhett: can u say what type of app it is? |
| 16:56.05 | rhett | it's a specialized personal organizer |
| 16:56.17 | ligi | ah ok |
| 16:56.50 | rhett | not really a geek toy, but there is a market for it in the general population, and it doesn't exist yet |
| 16:57.06 | rhett | i doubt there was another entry that did the same thing |
| 16:57.19 | ligi | me 2 |
| 16:57.36 | rhett | haha, you don't even know the app |
| 16:57.45 | ligi | no for my app |
| 16:57.53 | ligi | that ther is no other like it |
| 16:57.54 | ligi | ^^ |
| 16:58.24 | ligi | but i think i wont get passed round #1 cuz noone can really test/use my app |
| 16:58.52 | ligi | they wont have the device |
| 16:59.17 | ligi | wonder how the enkin dudes solved this issue |
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| 18:20.12 | *** topic/#android is For those who are curious, the Challenge had 1,788 unique submissions. |
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| 18:31.06 | mihoshi | Hmm, updating title seems to be a long operation... Resource loading goes times faster, if I update status in title only once in half of second, instead of after each resource loaded. |
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| 19:51.08 | hap | any killer app released for Android yet? |
| 20:00.32 | umdk1d3 | hap: http://www.enkin.net/ is pretty cool |
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| 20:12.02 | mihoshi | umdk1d3: But is not original. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augmented_reality |
| 20:15.36 | hap | umdk1d3: looks good |
| 20:16.17 | mihoshi | Yes, impressive fake:) Just like WiFi army... |
| 20:16.55 | hap | is that fake ? |
| 20:16.57 | hap | ah too bad |
| 20:19.37 | mihoshi | There is nothing in Android API that supports reading phone's orientation. |
| 20:22.05 | romainguy | enkin was developed with external devices |
| 20:22.16 | romainguy | you even see them in the video |
| 20:22.54 | mihoshi | "About the sensors: They provide absolute values. Accelometers give a g-vector and digital compasses give magnetic north which is enough to compute heading, pitch and roll values to orientate." |
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| 20:23.47 | mihoshi | Cool if that. Let's hope Android device will have such sensors as well:) |
| 20:24.55 | umdk1d3 | true true, but you gotta admit its pretty sweet |
| 20:25.03 | umdk1d3 | and it hasnt been done on a phone before |
| 20:25.19 | umdk1d3 | very few ideas are truly original |
| 20:26.17 | michaelnovakjr | plenty ideas are original |
| 20:26.30 | michaelnovakjr | if there weren't originals who would people copy? |
| 20:26.49 | haavi | oh you're so intelligent! |
| 20:26.57 | michaelnovakjr | thanks |
| 20:27.58 | hap | me too |
| 20:28.03 | hap | i just don t have time to make videos |
| 20:28.20 | michaelnovakjr | did you write an android app? |
| 20:28.26 | hap | yup |
| 20:28.37 | hap | and it does not need external devices |
| 20:28.48 | michaelnovakjr | most don't |
| 20:29.21 | hap | mine displays 'Hello hap', but i m looking how to improve it, like print Hap with uppercase instead |
| 20:29.30 | umdk1d3 | michaelnovakjr: you like correcting people :P |
| 20:29.32 | hap | would look way better |
| 20:29.46 | michaelnovakjr | not correcting, just telling the reality |
| 20:30.28 | hap | maybe a text input for choose the name it displays would be off cool |
| 20:30.36 | umdk1d3 | out of all the android apps that weve seen, how many are just porting an idea to android, with some extra features sprinkled in? |
| 20:30.44 | umdk1d3 | *an existing idea |
| 20:31.03 | michaelnovakjr | mine application is a new idea developed on android and will be ported to other devices |
| 20:31.03 | hap | well I haven't seen a Hello application for a long time |
| 20:31.07 | michaelnovakjr | my* not min |
| 20:31.08 | michaelnovakjr | ee |
| 20:31.18 | hap | so i d say my application is not a port |
| 20:31.25 | umdk1d3 | michaelnovakjr: good for you, but im asking about all the applications weve seen in general |
| 20:31.42 | michaelnovakjr | how are we supposed to know |
| 20:31.44 | umdk1d3 | for a good random sample, say all the apps listed at http://www.helloandroid.com/ |
| 20:31.51 | hap | umdk1d3: well it s always porting an operating system, so it kind of sucks from the beginning. |
| 20:31.53 | mihoshi | Is universal emulator for tabletop games a new idea? |
| 20:31.54 | michaelnovakjr | you tell us then |
| 20:32.16 | michaelnovakjr | theres 1788 of them and less then 200 on hello android |
| 20:32.19 | hap | michaelnovakjr: isn't commercial forbidden here ? |
| 20:32.28 | michaelnovakjr | commerical? |
| 20:32.29 | mihoshi | hap: No |
| 20:32.36 | umdk1d3 | michaelnovakjr: true, but i think we can assume its an accurate sample |
| 20:32.46 | mihoshi | hap: Unless they are copyright-infrigment as well |
| 20:33.01 | hap | mihoshi: No with uppercase, how did you do that from Android ? Maybe could you help me improving my hello application |
| 20:33.05 | michaelnovakjr | assume how? there are quite a bit of NDA apps that were submitted |
| 20:33.32 | hap | leaves by the backdoor |
| 20:33.47 | umdk1d3 | michaelnovakjr: so the argument in the reverse direction, how do you know about all these NDA apps, and that they make up a good segment of those submitted? |
| 20:34.11 | michaelnovakjr | because if you were in here before the adc you'd see how many people stated their apps are ND |
| 20:34.12 | michaelnovakjr | A |
| 20:34.44 | hap | I'd like to see a way to watch streamed videos from usenet binaries (legal ones only) so I don t have to sleep on the way home |
| 20:34.47 | umdk1d3 | ...ive been in here awhile, under a diff nick most of the time |
| 20:34.49 | umdk1d3 | </argument> |
| 20:35.13 | hap | umdk1d3: me too, i used to be nicknamed 'nickserv' |
| 20:35.22 | hap | but some assholes took it over |
| 20:35.23 | umdk1d3 | ... |
| 20:35.27 | michaelnovakjr | what argument.... you asked a question.... if people had original ideas they mention them..... if not how are we supposed to speak for anyone else |
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| 20:40.10 | hap | maybe something about pr0n has not been done |
| 20:40.42 | hap | that Accelometers could finaly be used |
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| 21:36.05 | convivial | hi! |
| 21:37.16 | convivial | anyone here? |
| 21:38.10 | convivial | can I do android development using Visual Studio 2005? |
| 21:38.43 | parti | file new projecT? |
| 21:38.56 | convivial | parti: huh? |
| 21:39.35 | mihoshi | convivial: Technically you can do it in notepad as well... |
| 21:39.35 | parti | do you have vs2005? i dont but i think |
| 21:39.38 | parti | its no |
| 21:40.04 | convivial | well, google will have to provide some kind of plugin for vs2005 |
| 21:40.23 | parti | and some money for me |
| 21:40.24 | mihoshi | Is vs2005 free? |
| 21:40.39 | convivial | No |
| 21:40.53 | convivial | but Nokia provides free plugins for VS2005 |
| 21:41.34 | convivial | I don't like eclipse |
| 21:41.46 | mihoshi | Well, may be Google will, may be no. I hvane't noticed much demand before... |
| 21:42.16 | convivial | is there a sdk forum? |
| 21:42.34 | poffy__ | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/ral/603028751.html |
| 21:42.36 | poffy__ | err |
| 21:42.40 | poffy__ | wrong channel, but still funny |
| 21:43.10 | convivial | found it |
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| 21:58.30 | convivial | can an android app intercept sms messages? |
| 22:01.33 | convivial | nevermind, I found it. |
| 22:01.58 | convivial | heck, i'll just read the manual... no one here helping anyways. hoping to generate conversation and help at same time but nevermind :) |
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| 23:22.11 | mihoshi | How can I precompile a sqlite query, that returns results? SQLiteStatement doesn't have methods thatreturn Cursor... |
| 23:23.07 | mihoshi | Or it is not yet implemented? |
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| 23:26.45 | mihoshi | SQLite is amazingly gimped on Android :( No user functions, no real precompiled queries, no callbacks... |
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| 23:32.38 | duey | why do you want to precompile a query |
| 23:34.40 | mihoshi | To speed up execution |
| 23:35.13 | duey | lol? |
| 23:35.22 | duey | you are talking about minimal gains |
| 23:35.40 | mihoshi | Minimal gains, multiplied by maximal numbers |
| 23:36.01 | duey | well executing thousands of sql queries on android is hardly a good idea, precompiled or not |
| 23:36.09 | duey | rework your system |
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| 23:37.44 | mihoshi | Java is not terribly fast either... |
| 23:37.49 | duey | java is very fast |
| 23:38.07 | duey | the problem is the device is not as fast as your normal computer |
| 23:38.32 | duey | and people shouldn't need to wait for long runs of sql queries to be executed |
| 23:38.52 | duey | (which you can probably get away with on a computer) |
| 23:38.58 | mihoshi | sqlite is very fast too:) |
| 23:39.01 | duey | well |
| 23:39.04 | duey | debately |
| 23:39.07 | duey | debateable |
| 23:39.27 | duey | its not slow |
| 23:39.34 | duey | but I would not call it very fast |
| 23:41.05 | duey | last time I checked its selects were fast for indexes |
| 23:42.04 | duey | might of improved by the looks |
| 23:44.13 | mihoshi | sqlite can be good for working with data in db, instead of loading it to memory whole, and then saving back... |
| 23:45.51 | mihoshi | Like, keeping all significant game state info in a db. So you can stop app at any moment. |
| 23:48.38 | mihoshi | And if you throw in stored procs and callbacks, you can do most of data processing inside sqlite... |
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| 23:49.43 | mihoshi | Though, I agree that querying single lines are not good idea. I takes about same time for querying 1 and 100 rows (~30ms) |
| 23:57.50 | mihoshi | Great, and org.w3c.dom is broken too:( |