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| 15:51.25 | Kraln | heya muthu |
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| 16:55.12 | convivial | Hi |
| 16:55.21 | convivial | what's up with speech recognition? |
| 16:55.32 | convivial | is it or ain't gonna be done? |
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| 17:07.05 | convivial | hello, hello? |
| 17:10.09 | convivial | been googling for info and all I find is arguments, push backs, removal from android api and other worthless mundane crap |
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| 18:04.13 | EQU | romainguy: could you answer me for questions on the bottom of topic: http://www.anddev.org/viewtopic.php?p=7337#7337 |
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| 18:51.21 | jjt001 | hello |
| 18:51.35 | jjt001 | are any of you running servers for your android apps? |
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| 18:54.23 | jjt001 | anyone here? |
| 18:56.12 | mihoshi | Damn X.500 stole in 1988 all my great ideas I had in last month :( It's encouraging, though, that it took them 4 years to understand something, that took only a week or two for me... |
| 18:56.44 | mihoshi | jjt001: As for your questions, answers are "yes" and "technically no" |
| 19:01.54 | muthu | nick |
| 19:03.44 | muthu | /elp op |
| 19:04.35 | jjt001 | muthu: hello |
| 19:04.39 | muthu | hi |
| 19:04.51 | jjt001 | did you test my app this weekend? |
| 19:04.58 | muthu | what's your app? |
| 19:05.06 | jjt001 | the businessrate one |
| 19:05.09 | jjt001 | i sent you the apk |
| 19:05.42 | muthu | oh yes |
| 19:05.42 | muthu | i did |
| 19:05.42 | muthu | nice idea |
| 19:06.01 | jjt001 | thanks |
| 19:06.12 | jjt001 | i just found out that my sister shut down my computer this weekend |
| 19:06.20 | muthu | oh oh |
| 19:06.33 | jjt001 | so i wanted to know if any of you have servers, and if so, have seen any judges |
| 19:06.38 | muthu | make sure its not happening when the judges are in action ;) |
| 19:06.47 | muthu | the judges will probably start this week |
| 19:06.55 | jjt001 | muthu: they haven't started yet? |
| 19:07.04 | muthu | not sure |
| 19:07.14 | muthu | probably the coming week |
| 19:07.22 | jjt001 | do you know anyone with a server backing their ap |
| 19:07.24 | jjt001 | app |
| 19:07.33 | muthu | you need hosting? |
| 19:07.47 | jjt001 | no, i need to talk to someone who would know whether the judges have started |
| 19:07.56 | jjt001 | if the person kept server logs, they would know |
| 19:08.00 | muthu | talk to jasta |
| 19:08.08 | jjt001 | thanks |
| 19:08.11 | jjt001 | jasta: you here? |
| 19:08.28 | muthu | jasta will be skiing by now |
| 19:08.35 | muthu | probably away for weekend |
| 19:08.39 | jjt001 | ah, he's taking a break |
| 19:08.41 | jjt001 | good for him |
| 19:08.50 | muthu | yeah, try during the week |
| 19:09.17 | jjt001 | i'll do that |
| 19:09.34 | jjt001 | open question: anyone here running a server for their app? |
| 19:09.59 | jjt001 | muthu: so what was your app? |
| 19:10.22 | muthu | cooking |
| 19:10.28 | muthu | delivered to your mobile |
| 19:10.37 | jjt001 | recipes? |
| 19:10.41 | muthu | yes |
| 19:10.44 | jjt001 | nice |
| 19:10.54 | muthu | share recipes, shopping list etc., with friends |
| 19:10.59 | jjt001 | do you have public release |
| 19:11.01 | jjt001 | cool |
| 19:11.04 | muthu | will be soon |
| 19:11.15 | jjt001 | great |
| 19:11.32 | jjt001 | it's pretty late in chennai? |
| 19:11.39 | muthu | ooh yeah |
| 19:11.41 | jjt001 | 12:40 |
| 19:11.44 | jjt001 | PM |
| 19:11.45 | muthu | yes |
| 19:11.48 | muthu | AM |
| 19:11.55 | jjt001 | yeah, that's what i meant |
| 19:12.01 | muthu | where you work? |
| 19:12.12 | jjt001 | i'm based in u.s. right now |
| 19:12.17 | muthu | cool |
| 19:12.22 | jjt001 | i'm planning to return to kerela soon |
| 19:12.28 | muthu | great |
| 19:12.33 | muthu | http://mobeegal.in |
| 19:12.36 | muthu | that's my web |
| 19:13.02 | jjt001 | this looks broader than just cooking |
| 19:13.03 | jjt001 | ? |
| 19:13.10 | muthu | that's different |
| 19:13.16 | muthu | cooking for challenge I |
| 19:13.22 | muthu | mobeegal is my vision |
| 19:13.26 | muthu | working on it |
| 19:13.27 | jjt001 | ok i see |
| 19:14.02 | jjt001 | did you study at iit madras |
| 19:14.20 | muthu | i've been to iit but not for study ;) |
| 19:14.28 | jjt001 | ok |
| 19:14.37 | muthu | been in us for master |
| 19:14.38 | jjt001 | i'm hoping to go there |
| 19:14.43 | muthu | good |
| 19:14.55 | muthu | 10yrs in us - had fun |
| 19:15.03 | jjt001 | what college? |
| 19:15.07 | muthu | now in india - having more fun |
| 19:15.29 | jjt001 | yeah, india is doing well |
| 19:15.38 | muthu | yes |
| 19:15.50 | jjt001 | alright, i have to go |
| 19:15.54 | muthu | bye |
| 19:15.57 | jjt001 | bye |
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| 21:06.46 | jjt001 | anyone home? |
| 21:06.52 | jjt001 | hello/ |
| 21:07.14 | jjt001 | anybody? |
| 21:07.20 | jjt001 | jasta? |
| 21:07.23 | jjt001 | zhobbs? |
| 21:07.35 | jjt001 | michaelnovakjr? |
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| 21:07.44 | jjt001 | convivial? |
| 21:07.48 | convivial | hi! |
| 21:07.53 | convivial | how are you? |
| 21:07.57 | jjt001 | i'm great |
| 21:08.00 | jjt001 | what abouty you? |
| 21:08.15 | convivial | fine. |
| 21:08.23 | jjt001 | do you have a server running for your android app? |
| 21:08.29 | convivial | hey, what is up with speech recognition api? |
| 21:08.33 | convivial | no, i do not. |
| 21:08.40 | jjt001 | not yet implemented |
| 21:08.45 | jjt001 | like a lot of android libraries |
| 21:08.54 | jjt001 | hopefully by challenge 2 they will be complete |
| 21:11.03 | convivial | why was it removed? |
| 21:11.53 | convivial | stripped for cash, thinking about selling my Nokia 6630 for $600.00 |
| 21:13.42 | convivial | brb, going to garage to look for loose change to buy a $0.25 bag of chips |
| 21:15.09 | jjt001 | hah' |
| 21:15.26 | jjt001 | anyone else here running a server for their app? |
| 21:15.34 | f00f- | just an application server |
| 21:15.36 | jjt001 | ok, let me rephrase this |
| 21:15.38 | f00f- | for web services |
| 21:15.41 | jjt001 | f00f: yeah |
| 21:15.53 | jjt001 | f00f: do you know if any judges have looked at your app yet |
| 21:16.02 | jjt001 | f00f: (connected to your server) |
| 21:16.08 | f00f- | let me see |
| 21:16.15 | jjt001 | thanks bro |
| 21:17.01 | f00f- | oh fuck, fuck fuck fuck |
| 21:17.06 | f00f- | :) |
| 21:17.07 | f00f- | maybe! |
| 21:17.13 | f00f- | let me investigate |
| 21:17.16 | f00f- | access_log |
| 21:17.16 | convivial | found $0.12 !!! |
| 21:17.28 | convivial | need .15 mor |
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| 21:17.55 | jjt001 | f00f: thanks man |
| 21:17.57 | convivial | hmmm, any ideas where change may fall/hide? |
| 21:18.04 | jjt001 | f00f: that'd be great help |
| 21:18.22 | f00f- | jjt001: actually, that's wrong.. no nothing yet :X |
| 21:18.27 | f00f- | my app only makes 1 request |
| 21:18.30 | f00f- | on startup |
| 21:18.38 | f00f- | to check that its pre-bundled cached content is up to date |
| 21:18.55 | f00f- | well 1 request per startup |
| 21:18.58 | f00f- | so nothing yet |
| 21:19.37 | f00f- | i'd say this week, we see some activity though |
| 21:19.59 | f00f- | they have 2 weeks to judge them |
| 21:20.29 | jjt001 | thanks |
| 21:27.42 | convivial | it sucks to be $0.25 away from some food!!! |
| 21:29.45 | convivial | oh well screw it |
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| 21:34.22 | jjt001 | f00f: yeah, my sister shut down my server |
| 21:34.43 | jjt001 | so i was scared that i had missed some judges |
| 21:34.59 | jjt001 | f00f: so what's your app? |
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| 21:57.58 | f00f- | jjt001: http://www.helloandroid.com/node/430 |
| 21:58.18 | f00f- | you should have a backup if the server is down though |
| 22:05.20 | jjt001 | yoyoyo |
| 22:05.31 | jjt001 | sweeet man |
| 22:06.44 | jjt001 | f00f: do you have your apk publicly available |
| 22:06.50 | jjt001 | i'd like to test that out |
| 22:10.47 | f00f- | unfortunately, it's not published right now |
| 22:11.46 | f00f- | but we're definitely planning to publish it in the next month or two :) |
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| 22:29.26 | jasta | i thoguht of a heuristic that just might work to screen scrape lyrics sites with my server component... |
| 22:29.53 | jasta | i'd like to test this out some time next week :) |
| 22:31.09 | jasta | i think it might work to actually perform a google search, go to the top site, and find the largest contiguous block of text that is of the same font size, color, etc and that does not cross the boundaries of certain types of HTML tags |
| 22:41.55 | mihoshi | jasta: Is it legal-safe? |
| 22:44.52 | mihoshi | jasta: Though, browsers that shows page only partially (for example, without ads) are legal, so may be this will be legal too. But I don't think that site owners will be happy anyway, if some service leeches a lot of their content for some unknown reason. |
| 22:48.22 | jasta | Does it matter what they want? Or whether it's legal in a particular country? |
| 22:49.05 | f00f- | you seem to be concerned about not distributing illegal music though :P |
| 22:49.18 | jasta | As an open source developer, I have the luxury to ignore such obstacles :) |
| 22:49.28 | f00f- | actually, lyrics in some jursdictions have wavy rights |
| 22:49.28 | jasta | f00f-: For the challenge, I am concerned about that. |
| 22:49.41 | jasta | And for the challenge, I would not have this lyrics feature in either. |
| 22:49.42 | f00f- | in the US though, who's gonna sue you? :) |
| 22:49.50 | jasta | But the challenge doesn't represent the life of my project :) |
| 22:50.01 | f00f- | implement first, ask legal questions later |
| 22:50.07 | f00f- | yeah, definitely |
| 22:50.08 | jasta | f00f-: The RIAA, of course, but in the US software developer is covered under our first amendment right of free speech. |
| 22:50.11 | f00f- | challenge is just a good push |
| 22:50.16 | jasta | The author cannot be the target of the lawsuit, only the users. |
| 22:50.38 | f00f- | as has been shown... |
| 22:50.45 | f00f- | was the precedent set in the sony betamax case? |
| 22:50.48 | f00f- | i forget |
| 22:50.58 | jasta | Exactly, which means I'll do what I want :) If users are afraid, they don't have to turn it on. |
| 22:51.01 | jasta | It'll be an opt-in ;) |
| 22:51.20 | jasta | But I personally want this feature, and would use it often hehe |
| 22:52.24 | jasta | This is a convenient angle I can take to please end users as well, who generally don't agree with the legal dilemma of lyric distribution |
| 22:52.33 | jasta | lyrics* |
| 22:52.49 | f00f- | i rarely need lyrics |
| 22:52.50 | f00f- | in fact |
| 22:52.52 | jasta | I mean, convenient because I am an open source developer and need not fear such things :) |
| 22:52.56 | f00f- | i need reverse lookup |
| 22:52.59 | f00f- | i use lyrics to find song names |
| 22:53.12 | jasta | that would be a neat feature too ;) |
| 22:53.22 | jasta | full text indexing on them and search patterns |
| 22:53.30 | f00f- | yes! |
| 22:53.42 | f00f- | usually i plug "quoted strings" into google |
| 22:53.44 | f00f- | and it usually works |
| 22:53.51 | f00f- | but have to go through a lot of weeding out the results |
| 22:54.07 | romainguy__ | jasta: besides the lyrics, there's also the question of screen-scraping other websites |
| 22:54.29 | romainguy__ | the fact that you are an open source developer shouldn't give you the rights to abuse other people's resources :)) |
| 22:55.57 | jasta | i don't need the right, though |
| 22:56.38 | jasta | i see your point, trust me :) |
| 22:56.47 | f00f- | OSS rebels! |
| 22:59.30 | jasta | i just don't generally tolerate these sorts of obstacles. i can just happily attach it as a modular component to my project and proceed blamelessly. i am personally willing to abuse their resources, detract from their ad revenue, and copy content without right in my own country. anyone else would be free to make such a decision on their behalf :) |
| 23:00.12 | romainguy__ | That's a great attitude... |
| 23:00.21 | romainguy__ | Ah well |
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| 23:02.50 | jasta | yeah, civil protest is a good attitude. |
| 23:03.53 | jasta | the bottom line is that i am frustrated by the legal enforcement position taken by the RIAA, and am willing to demonstrate that frustration through action. |
| 23:05.51 | duey | aren't lyrics sites illegal anyway? |
| 23:05.52 | jasta | that it is illegal and heavily enforced is not sufficient argument to convince me that consumers don't deserve it as part of their purchase of the music |
| 23:06.01 | duey | double negative |
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| 23:07.36 | jasta | bbl, gotta go get my new glasses |
| 23:07.48 | f00f- | i should go and buy a new pair of shoes |
| 23:09.24 | romainguy__ | jasta: the bottom line is that i am frustrated by the legal enforcement position taken by the RIAA, and am willing to demonstrate that frustration through action. << the funny thing is to remember why the RIAA started acting like this in the first place... |
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| 23:14.15 | duey | riaa are just afraid of change |
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