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| 01:04.45 | jasta | yawn |
| 01:17.50 | Kraln | yawns on jasta |
| 01:21.26 | jasta | today i officially don't feel like working on my android project at all |
| 01:21.47 | jasta | grabbed a cold beer when i got home from work and i'm not doing anything at all :) |
| 01:22.55 | Kraln | I feel that |
| 01:23.06 | f00f- | i should do that |
| 01:23.56 | jasta | i told myself i'd take a week off when the first round deadline was over and i didn't even take a day |
| 01:24.02 | jasta | now it's caught up to me ;) |
| 01:24.29 | Kraln | fwiw I'm being flooded by GSoC Emails |
| 01:25.45 | jasta | interesting, stumbled across Robert Love's name again today. i didnt know he wrote inotify |
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| 03:31.38 | morrildl | graar |
| 03:33.53 | duey | be happy |
| 03:35.41 | Kraln | morrildl: pieved the gsoc people stole your thunder? =) |
| 03:35.50 | morrildl | they did? |
| 03:36.22 | morrildl | but no, they can HAVE my thunder, and welcome to it ;) |
| 03:36.32 | Kraln | =) |
| 03:36.56 | Kraln | having a hell of a time with those laptops? |
| 03:40.07 | morrildl | Kraln: nah, they're not our problem anymore, now they belong to Shipping :) |
| 03:41.02 | Kraln | :-) |
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| 03:44.08 | Kraln | morrildl: so you've had a chance to relax a bit? |
| 03:45.17 | morrildl | heh |
| 03:45.27 | Kraln | haha not really huh |
| 03:45.30 | morrildl | more like "be sick without the world burning down" rather than "rest" :) |
| 03:45.53 | Kraln | oh hey, can I ask you something in private message? |
| 03:47.08 | Kraln | unrelated to adc, but very related to android and pr |
| 03:51.47 | Kraln | well, can't hurt |
| 04:00.35 | jasta | morrildl: is Google still planning to meet the May 5th date or was that just a placeholder anyway? |
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| 04:02.16 | morrildl | jasta: it's still the plan |
| 04:02.39 | jasta | doesn't give the judges a lot of time. do each of the 100 have to review all 1800 submissions? |
| 04:03.02 | morrildl | each submission gets a panel of 4 judges |
| 04:03.12 | morrildl | ends up with each judge needing to review around 75 apps |
| 04:03.23 | jasta | ahh, that doesn't seem too tough |
| 04:03.26 | morrildl | heh |
| 04:03.37 | jasta | randomly chosen panels? |
| 04:03.41 | morrildl | well the program has to restart the emulator with a -wipe-date every time |
| 04:03.45 | morrildl | jasta: of course :) |
| 04:04.10 | jasta | cryptographically strong? :) |
| 04:04.14 | jasta | hehe, jk |
| 04:04.57 | morrildl | heh |
| 04:05.06 | morrildl | well, I seeded the RNG with current time |
| 04:05.10 | morrildl | ...in nanos |
| 04:05.36 | jasta | i saw on the judges page that you guys say you're announcing the names of the judges? |
| 04:05.41 | jasta | or at least something about them |
| 04:05.53 | jasta | is that going to happen soon? |
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| 04:24.56 | romainguy | hey molkko |
| 04:25.14 | romainguy | gngn |
| 04:25.17 | romainguy | hi morrildl :)) |
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| 04:26.06 | morrildl | jasta: yes that is the plan |
| 04:26.20 | jasta | excellent |
| 04:26.21 | morrildl | (not that I'm idle IMing with people and surfing stupid web sites or anything) |
| 04:26.28 | jasta | prepares a basket of fruit and candy ;) |
| 04:26.48 | muthu | morrildl: that's exactly what i do everyday |
| 04:27.03 | muthu | hehe |
| 04:27.07 | morrildl | hehehe |
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| 04:28.01 | jasta | i am really enjoying the server part of my project. implementing a dbus system service and integrating inotify now :) |
| 04:28.11 | jasta | (started the branch of my project which is not to be portable) |
| 04:28.13 | jjt009 | hey guys |
| 04:28.40 | jasta | hello |
| 04:28.41 | jjt009 | if my project takes data that already exists on the web and pools it into one simple application, it is useful |
| 04:28.45 | jjt009 | ? |
| 04:29.02 | jjt009 | specifically, my app is a business rate program |
| 04:29.02 | jasta | how could we answer that question generically? |
| 04:29.18 | jjt009 | i know that things like yelp and local.yahoo.com already exist |
| 04:29.45 | jasta | perhaps you should step back for a minute ans ask yourself: will I get use out of this application? |
| 04:29.55 | jasta | if yes, then you have your answer at least on a small scale :) |
| 04:30.20 | jasta | if no, best not to write it. |
| 04:30.20 | jjt009 | but my application pools data from all of these sites together and adds it to its own database data |
| 04:30.22 | jjt009 | and then displays this to the user |
| 04:30.23 | muthu | who will use it? |
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| 04:30.47 | jjt009 | what i'm asking is, the same functionality already exists in web services that exist on webpages |
| 04:31.00 | jjt009 | muthu: i'm trying to figure that out |
| 04:31.04 | muthu | oh oh |
| 04:31.06 | jjt009 | muthu: i know i would |
| 04:31.06 | michaelnovakjr | ah web services |
| 04:31.15 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 04:31.27 | muthu | jjt009: first find out who your users are |
| 04:31.36 | muthu | then do something they'll love |
| 04:31.41 | jasta | hey michael |
| 04:31.45 | michaelnovakjr | hey |
| 04:32.16 | jjt009 | it kind of does what an phone email client does...it gives the user the ability to avoid using the browser |
| 04:33.12 | jjt009 | so would that be considered repetitive or convenient? |
| 04:33.17 | jjt009 | that's what i'm trying to hit at |
| 04:33.21 | Kraln | muthu: I see no further mails from you -.- |
| 04:33.35 | jasta | jjt009: I am having a hard time understanding why you need us to answer that for you. |
| 04:33.54 | jjt009 | jasta: i'm just looking for opinions |
| 04:34.15 | jjt009 | why? the answer isn't too obvious |
| 04:34.47 | jasta | isn't it? isn't it easy to determine if you like one interface better than another? |
| 04:35.19 | Kraln | hmm, sleep time |
| 04:35.30 | muthu | Kraln: hey bud |
| 04:35.46 | Kraln | take your time, no rush |
| 04:35.58 | muthu | i need to have something to roll out |
| 04:36.05 | muthu | before taking up the server space |
| 04:36.08 | muthu | its coming soon.. |
| 04:36.37 | jjt009 | jasta: true |
| 04:37.07 | jjt009 | open question: so would a business rate application be something that you would use? |
| 04:37.22 | jasta | i mean, one interface would presumably have very high latency compared to the other. do you suppose users like to wait for things or would they prefer data instantly available? |
| 04:37.31 | jasta | jjt009: No, not at all. Sounds silly :) |
| 04:37.40 | muthu | jjt009: i don't see a compelling use case |
| 04:38.14 | michaelnovakjr | what is a business rate? |
| 04:38.38 | jjt009 | michaelnovakjr: rating businesses you have visited and searching for highly rated ones when you need to go somewhere |
| 04:38.42 | jjt009 | essentially |
| 04:39.09 | jasta | can't you think of something more useful than that to build? :) |
| 04:39.15 | michaelnovakjr | why not do a better business bureau app then? |
| 04:39.30 | michaelnovakjr | don't make users rate the businesses :) get the data from somewhere else |
| 04:39.47 | jjt009 | jasta: no, i already built it |
| 04:40.01 | jasta | adn you can't tell if you like the interface more than going to a web page? |
| 04:41.22 | muthu | jjt009: nobody will be able to tell you whether your app is great, except you |
| 04:41.48 | jasta | i suppose it speaks volumes if you aren't even sure that you find it useful or superior to what already exists ;) |
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| 04:46.49 | jjt009 | jasta: i guess it was a more general question than i made it seem? |
| 04:46.57 | jjt009 | it's not about my interface |
| 04:47.14 | jjt009 | i guess i see what you're saying |
| 04:47.38 | jjt009 | and i think my application would be useful, but then again my assumptions could be very wrong |
| 04:47.42 | jjt009 | that's why i asked |
| 04:47.50 | jjt009 | feedback from other people is always useful |
| 04:48.05 | jjt009 | muthu: i'm talking about the app that i sent you |
| 04:49.15 | jjt009 | anyone here? |
| 04:55.07 | muthu | jjt009: yeah saw your app |
| 04:55.20 | jjt009 | muthu: so what did you think? |
| 04:56.10 | muthu | it might be useful in finding out for example, restaurants |
| 04:56.21 | jjt009 | yeah, that's the whole point |
| 04:56.27 | jjt009 | finding restaurants, hotels, whatnot |
| 04:56.30 | muthu | you need to narrow it down |
| 04:56.42 | jasta | is it integrated with maps? |
| 04:56.47 | michaelnovakjr | i'm sure zagat's is going to write an app |
| 04:56.49 | jasta | because doesn't google maps also offer this data? |
| 04:56.59 | muthu | i think so |
| 04:57.03 | jjt009 | yes, google maps offers the data |
| 04:57.13 | jasta | seems like thats the best way to get at it, too |
| 04:57.21 | jjt009 | but then the user has to access the browser and experience slower performance, etc. |
| 04:57.46 | jasta | google maps doesn't require the browser |
| 04:58.08 | jjt009 | oh, the google maps on the phone? i don't think so |
| 04:58.15 | jasta | well, it could. google has the data. |
| 04:58.17 | muthu | jjt009: you can make this only for your friends |
| 04:58.21 | jjt009 | at least not currently implemented |
| 04:58.25 | muthu | a mini social network, where you share your rating |
| 04:58.35 | jasta | oh, enough of the social crap :) |
| 04:58.35 | jjt009 | muthu: that's like kudostar |
| 04:58.43 | jjt009 | not really what i was thinking |
| 04:58.47 | muthu | ok |
| 04:59.15 | muthu | i would not worry about people doing it already |
| 04:59.19 | jjt009 | so what do you mean by narrowing? |
| 04:59.34 | jjt009 | just restaurants or something similar? |
| 04:59.40 | jjt009 | wouldn't that reduce functionality? |
| 04:59.59 | muthu | i do a mobile search engine |
| 05:00.04 | muthu | i face similar problems |
| 05:00.08 | muthu | what's the scope? |
| 05:00.21 | michaelnovakjr | too much info sometimes is not good |
| 05:00.26 | michaelnovakjr | the user gets lost in it |
| 05:00.30 | muthu | right |
| 05:00.46 | jjt009 | michaelnovakjr: true |
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| 05:00.54 | jjt009 | muthu: scope? |
| 05:01.06 | testando | Hi!!! |
| 05:01.10 | jjt009 | hello |
| 05:03.02 | testando | I´m starting with Android. And right now, I´m studing how to desing UI in XML |
| 05:03.22 | jjt009 | cool |
| 05:03.45 | testando | could anybody explain to me, how it works: android:layout_height="wrap_content" |
| 05:04.09 | testando | if I put this value "wrap_content" |
| 05:04.38 | testando | In a widget´s atribute |
| 05:04.48 | jasta | in a nutshell, it means that the view is to be as big as necessary, not as big as possible. |
| 05:05.07 | testando | humm |
| 05:05.08 | testando | nice |
| 05:05.17 | testando | thanks a lot jasta |
| 05:05.43 | jasta | this is contrasted with fill_parent, in which the view is to match the size of its parent for the specified attribute. |
| 05:06.23 | jasta | or a specific dimension, such as 32px. there are other layout options as well, but they aren't specified this way. |
| 05:06.34 | testando | yes... I got it to fill_parent! =D |
| 05:06.51 | jasta | for example, layout_weight is often what you want when you wish to have a view to grow to take up as much remaining space as possible |
| 05:06.52 | testando | ok! thank you very much |
| 05:07.40 | testando | I´m doing some examples here |
| 05:07.49 | testando | but the emulator is too slow |
| 05:10.30 | jjt009 | agreed |
| 05:10.50 | jasta | as romain said, you want the emulator to be slow ;) |
| 05:12.11 | jjt009 | jasta: i just checked, maps doesn't have that functionality |
| 05:12.25 | jasta | perhaps you should add it when the source becomes available? :) |
| 05:13.32 | jjt009 | i don't if google is accepting contributions from open source devs |
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| 05:13.52 | jasta | huh? |
| 05:14.13 | jjt009 | sorry, add word "know" between "don't" and "if" |
| 05:14.17 | jasta | if google releases the source, they don't have much choice, do they? |
| 05:14.27 | jjt009 | jasta: actually, they do |
| 05:14.28 | jasta | under the Apache License, they give up that control |
| 05:14.36 | jasta | jjt009: Actually, they don't. Read the license. |
| 05:15.05 | jjt009 | yeah, but cell carriers and makers aren't going to put non-google versions of android on their phones |
| 05:15.10 | jjt009 | that's what i'm certain of |
| 05:15.24 | jasta | What gives you that certainty? |
| 05:15.40 | jjt009 | i'm pretty sure i read it somewhere |
| 05:15.52 | muthu | expect customized android versions |
| 05:15.55 | jasta | If Google stubbornly refuses quality, stable contributions from the community, what would prevent other members of the OHA from side-stepping them? |
| 05:16.14 | jjt009 | nothing |
| 05:16.20 | jasta | furthermore, why would Google release the source code if they intended no one to contribute to it? |
| 05:16.35 | jjt009 | to say their code is open source |
| 05:16.37 | jjt009 | for the glory |
| 05:16.43 | michaelnovakjr | huh what? |
| 05:17.00 | jjt009 | michaelnovakjr: you have a direct connection to the net? |
| 05:17.10 | jasta | jjt009: Do we need to bring out the lart ray or will you kindly put your brain back in order. |
| 05:17.28 | jasta | -. +? |
| 05:17.31 | jasta | ;) |
| 05:17.47 | jjt009 | we'll see |
| 05:17.52 | jjt009 | maybe i'm wrong |
| 05:17.58 | jjt009 | that's just the feeling i get |
| 05:19.16 | muthu | jjt009: people are actively booting android on custom devices |
| 05:19.51 | jjt009 | custom versions are not mainstream |
| 05:19.55 | muthu | there are atleast a few small players who are working on android devices |
| 05:20.04 | muthu | mainstream.. oh right |
| 05:20.07 | jjt009 | i'm talking about google adopting contributions into their official releases |
| 05:20.23 | testando | why not |
| 05:20.40 | muthu | they'll follow the standard opensource practices |
| 05:20.53 | jjt009 | svn. commits? |
| 05:21.05 | testando | maybe |
| 05:21.23 | jjt009 | that will be a first for google.. |
| 05:22.18 | romainguy__ | what about Guice or GWT? |
| 05:22.37 | jjt009 | romainguy__: GWT? |
| 05:22.59 | romainguy__ | http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/ |
| 05:23.05 | jjt009 | o, right |
| 05:23.09 | jjt009 | that's open source |
| 05:23.14 | jjt009 | hey, i didn't know that |
| 05:23.40 | jjt009 | but google has hired devs working on the project, right? |
| 05:24.07 | romainguy__ | uh? |
| 05:24.18 | jjt009 | GWT, i mean |
| 05:24.33 | romainguy__ | you mean Google has employees working on it? |
| 05:24.46 | testando | yes |
| 05:25.03 | romainguy__ | just as I am an employee working on Android, yes |
| 05:25.46 | muthu | a lot of phase I submitter have said, they'll be moving on to iphone if they don't win |
| 05:25.48 | testando | I think he means Google´s employees working on GWT |
| 05:26.05 | jjt009 | muthu: that's a big port |
| 05:26.12 | muthu | right |
| 05:26.23 | muthu | and don't see the logic really |
| 05:26.41 | jjt009 | going from platform-specific java apis to objective c |
| 05:26.45 | jjt009 | that's quite difficult |
| 05:26.57 | muthu | and what does it buy you? |
| 05:27.13 | jjt009 | currently released platform and a stable userbase |
| 05:27.16 | muthu | if your app sucks on emulator, it would suck big time on a real device ;) |
| 05:27.19 | jjt009 | good things, sure |
| 05:27.47 | muthu | hmm |
| 05:28.15 | romainguy__ | muthu: not necessarily |
| 05:28.19 | romainguy__ | it depends on so many factors... |
| 05:28.29 | romainguy__ | (if you're talking about performance that is :)) |
| 05:28.44 | muthu | no, i'm not talking about performance |
| 05:28.52 | romainguy__ | ah, ok then :) |
| 05:29.14 | muthu | either you have faith in your app, or you don't |
| 05:29.26 | muthu | moving from one platform to the other is not going to help |
| 05:30.07 | muthu | may be the developers want some closure |
| 05:31.17 | muthu | android activity is picking up in india, btw |
| 05:33.02 | muthu | romainguy_: autoswitching between modes is tackled for next release? |
| 05:33.51 | romainguy__ | between what modes? |
| 05:33.57 | muthu | touch/key |
| 05:34.04 | romainguy__ | what do you mean by autoswitching? |
| 05:34.16 | muthu | its been documented in issue tracker |
| 05:34.29 | romainguy__ | what do you mean by autoswitching? |
| 05:34.46 | muthu | it requires an extra click if you want to switch from key to touch or viceversa |
| 05:34.57 | romainguy__ | and that's the way it is |
| 05:35.16 | jasta | really, that's on purpose? |
| 05:35.22 | muthu | in the tracker, it says its been worked on for improvement |
| 05:35.38 | jjt009 | muthu: so assuming my database contained all of maps.google.com's and local.yahoo.com's information, would you use it? |
| 05:35.39 | romainguy__ | because there were bugs in the support for touch mode in several components, most notably listview |
| 05:35.41 | romainguy__ | but that's the way it works |
| 05:35.55 | jjt009 | muthu: over maps.google.com or local.yahoo.com themselves? |
| 05:36.08 | muthu | jjt009: why should i use yours? |
| 05:37.05 | jjt009 | muthu: faster than using a browser, data from fellow android users, data from a multitude of sites |
| 05:37.15 | jjt009 | simple ui |
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| 05:37.49 | muthu | jjt009: whether people will use your app is a million dollar question |
| 05:38.02 | jjt009 | muthu: i know, but what about you? |
| 05:38.15 | jjt009 | if you needed to find a restaurant in a new town, for example |
| 05:38.32 | muthu | if you are providing an alternate for google, you better be damn good about it |
| 05:38.52 | jjt009 | google ratings |
| 05:39.04 | jjt009 | of which there aren't many |
| 05:39.10 | jjt009 | that's why a phone app would be so useful |
| 05:39.15 | jjt009 | so much easier to rate |
| 05:39.29 | jjt009 | who wants to go to a site and waste time rating a business? |
| 05:40.07 | muthu | jjt009: are you doing it fulltime? |
| 05:40.14 | jjt009 | nope |
| 05:40.21 | jjt009 | i'm still in high school |
| 05:40.29 | muthu | ok |
| 05:40.39 | muthu | then just do it |
| 05:40.55 | jjt009 | but if i was fulltime? |
| 05:44.55 | jjt009 | alright got to go |
| 05:44.59 | jjt009 | bye everyone |
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| 05:55.08 | muthu | is there a channel where the google founders hang out? |
| 05:55.19 | muthu | hehe, need to touch base with them ;) |
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| 06:12.54 | jerkface03 | maybe #google |
| 06:13.07 | muthu | jerkface03: nah |
| 06:13.20 | muthu | don't think they would be hanging out in public forums |
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| 07:10.40 | muthu | jtoy: you know any? |
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| 07:24.33 | Lede | jasta won all 50 |
| 07:25.06 | muthu | plus challenge II |
| 07:29.53 | davidw | ehehehh |
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| 09:10.28 | ligi | re |
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| 09:53.40 | muthu | yeah, looks great |
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| 14:57.17 | jasta | yawn |
| 14:58.08 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 14:58.11 | Dougie187 | you waking up the room? |
| 14:59.32 | jasta | i suppose |
| 15:00.50 | Dougie187 | lol |
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| 15:37.49 | Dougie187 | the room sure is quite in the morning |
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| 15:40.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | very quiet |
| 15:41.42 | *** mode/#android [+o morrildl] by ChanServ |
| 15:42.01 | *** topic/#android by morrildl -> I have it on authority that the channel is too quite, especially in the morning. Make some noise! |
| 15:42.26 | morrildl | would help if I could spell |
| 15:42.31 | *** topic/#android by morrildl -> I have it on authority that the channel is too quiet, especially in the morning. Make some noise! |
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| 15:44.44 | Dougie187 | lol |
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| 15:47.18 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha, morrildl how's the sdk coming! |
| 15:47.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | i have a timing issue i have to resolve in my application |
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| 15:51.02 | Dougie187 | I like that he made the topic that the channel is too quiet. |
| 15:51.08 | Dougie187 | thats what i call action |
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| 15:52.06 | ligi | NOISE |
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| 15:55.39 | jasta | yeah really, where is that new SDK? :) |
| 15:55.44 | jasta | i thought we'd be getting it like apr 15th :) |
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| 15:56.06 | jasta | like ya'll were just waiting for the challenge deadline to pass |
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| 16:07.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha jasta that is what i thought |
| 16:08.31 | jasta | i guess i'd better head into work |
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| 16:08.36 | jasta | i'll futz with inotify later |
| 16:09.04 | muthu | YO MO JO! |
| 16:11.47 | muthu | Google MyLocation seems interesting |
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| 16:29.06 | Kraln | tings muthu with an email |
| 16:29.39 | poffy | pokes Kraln |
| 16:30.18 | Kraln | oof. that tickles |
| 16:32.05 | muthu | Kraln: got your mail |
| 16:32.09 | muthu | checking it |
| 16:32.42 | muthu | centos 4 or 5? which you suggest? |
| 16:33.27 | Kraln | its up to you. five is obviously the most recent, but there's not a huge amount of difference for a vps |
| 16:34.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | 5 |
| 16:34.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | i use 5 with no complaints |
| 16:34.22 | muthu | ok |
| 16:35.16 | jasta | centos? lol :) |
| 16:35.52 | muthu | jasta: what? |
| 16:35.56 | muthu | not good? |
| 16:36.02 | Dougie187 | it blows |
| 16:36.04 | Dougie187 | use ubuntu |
| 16:36.20 | muthu | Kraln: you have ubuntu? |
| 16:36.50 | jasta | muthu: RedHat-based distros are miserably deficient. If you want my opinion anyway :) |
| 16:37.16 | muthu | i use fc8.. so |
| 16:37.34 | jasta | have you tried Ubuntu? |
| 16:37.44 | muthu | when comparing between fc & ubuntu 2 yrs back.. ubuntu crashed |
| 16:37.52 | muthu | then went with fc6about:myworld |
| 16:38.00 | jasta | you know that ubuntu and fc use the same software, right? :) |
| 16:38.22 | muthu | yeah but it matters what gets bundled and how |
| 16:38.31 | Kraln | muthu: I have no idea why you'd want ubuntu on a server, but I can get it, yes |
| 16:38.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha, i run my mail server on centos and it works great |
| 16:38.42 | jasta | I'd recommend Debian for the server. |
| 16:38.44 | Kraln | centos is redhat enterprise linux without the support contract. |
| 16:38.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | as far as for desktop i use Ubuntu |
| 16:38.51 | muthu | Kraln: yes i know |
| 16:39.00 | muthu | just checking |
| 16:39.12 | jasta | RedHat is just so sloppy |
| 16:39.15 | jasta | even the enterprise version |
| 16:39.25 | jasta | very poor quality work goes into it |
| 16:39.28 | Kraln | jasta: that's an opinion, and it's not one the majority shares |
| 16:39.41 | muthu | centos is pretty widely used and stable |
| 16:39.46 | Dougie187 | fc8 isnt too bad |
| 16:39.49 | Dougie187 | centos blows though |
| 16:40.02 | muthu | had no problems with fc so far |
| 16:40.05 | muthu | it just works |
| 16:40.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | my mail server never gives me a problem |
| 16:40.11 | Kraln | I'd like to see some centos haters give some examples |
| 16:40.16 | Kraln | other than 'it blows' |
| 16:40.22 | Dougie187 | ubuntu just works better. |
| 16:40.22 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:40.29 | Dougie187 | well i use it at school |
| 16:40.30 | Kraln | yeah, like THAT is an argument |
| 16:40.33 | Dougie187 | and it crashes all the time |
| 16:40.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | ubuntu is just as buggy |
| 16:40.39 | Kraln | oh, I see, so you fail at using it so it must suck! |
| 16:40.44 | michaelnovakjr__ | i constantly have my machine freeze on me |
| 16:40.44 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:41.02 | Kraln | you know, most system instability is hardware related |
| 16:41.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | i wouldn't want my server freezing |
| 16:41.14 | Dougie187 | well we have a vast range of hardwares |
| 16:41.20 | Kraln | michaelnovakjr: my server and everything running on it doesn't freeze |
| 16:41.24 | jasta | the system freezing is not likely the fault of the distro, is what i was mentioning before. |
| 16:41.52 | jasta | it is more likely X and/or it's drivers, Linux and/or it's drivers, or hardware. |
| 16:42.24 | muthu | Kraln: so i should sign up with google checkout? |
| 16:42.30 | Dougie187 | i have just found that it is buggier and less responsive then my ubuntu system |
| 16:42.31 | jasta | what is the distro's fault, however, is a very poor package management system, poorly maintained and inflexible dependencies, etc. |
| 16:42.38 | Dougie187 | also it is a pain to admin. |
| 16:42.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'd say just run solaris :) |
| 16:42.47 | Dougie187 | and yum is slow to resolve dependencies. |
| 16:42.49 | Dougie187 | haha |
| 16:42.49 | jasta | and that would be RedHat's deficiency ;) |
| 16:42.56 | Kraln | muthu: that's the ideal, yes |
| 16:42.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | my mail server is my only non-solaris server |
| 16:43.08 | muthu | i eval centos 2 yrs back and liked it |
| 16:43.22 | Dougie187 | have you evaled ubuntu> |
| 16:43.23 | Dougie187 | ? |
| 16:43.34 | Dougie187 | i use to use Fedora core too |
| 16:43.45 | Dougie187 | but when i was trying it it had no support for wireless cards |
| 16:43.54 | Dougie187 | then i switched to ubuntu and my wifi just worked. |
| 16:43.54 | jasta | dpkg and apt represent a major improvement over rpm and yum. There's no doubt about that. |
| 16:43.59 | Dougie187 | so ive stuck with it since |
| 16:44.20 | Kraln | jasta: and emerge > apt |
| 16:44.23 | Dougie187 | Of course, if you really like centos, and you dont like yum you can always install apt on it |
| 16:44.24 | Kraln | and ports > emerge |
| 16:44.29 | Kraln | this is a religious discussion |
| 16:44.36 | Dougie187 | lol yes it is. |
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| 17:16.07 | jasta | i didn't back down because i think ports > emerge > apt, but because i had work to do :) |
| 17:16.34 | jasta | also, the absurdity of that statement speaks for itself, i think :) |
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| 17:16.59 | jasta | hehe, sorry, i'm just baiting ;) |
| 17:18.17 | pandora-- | mmm nightcrawlers |
| 17:21.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | long live windows server 2003!! |
| 17:21.45 | jasta | grr, i hate gcc4's new default when headers are missing |
| 17:23.41 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:25.35 | jasta | why in the hell would i want it to ignore headers it can't find? do i think that the headers are magically unnecessary? ugh. |
| 17:30.32 | muthu | Kraln: is it billed at the end of month? |
| 17:36.54 | muthu | Kraln: website again, sorry missed it |
| 17:39.11 | muthu | anyone remember.. its not rimuhosting |
| 17:43.17 | muthu | is it something like kajunet ?? |
| 17:43.57 | muthu | iPhone SDK lacks mapping function (Android doesnât of course) - http://blog.pocketjourney.com/ |
| 17:44.35 | Kraln | muthu: it's billed whenever you want it to be billed. is now good? |
| 17:45.31 | muthu | yeah lets do it |
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| 17:47.38 | Kraln | muthu: let me set you up with the vps. when you get it set up how you want, we can start billing |
| 17:47.46 | muthu | great |
| 17:50.51 | Kraln | finds you an ip |
| 17:50.56 | muthu | cool |
| 17:51.14 | Kraln | 38.105.84.198 sound good? |
| 17:51.26 | muthu | i dont know |
| 17:52.02 | muthu | all i care is its a public IP right? |
| 17:53.07 | Kraln | it is, yes |
| 17:53.50 | muthu | when users all around the world, hits the server - it must be available.. thats all. |
| 17:54.57 | Kraln | gotcha. =) |
| 17:55.44 | muthu | have an important date coming.. early next week. so need to get it up and running before that |
| 17:57.50 | Kraln | gotcha |
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| 17:58.23 | muthu | lot of releases scheduled anyways |
| 17:58.52 | muthu | Kraln: would you be the point of support? |
| 17:59.24 | Kraln | I am one of many |
| 17:59.58 | muthu | ok..i'll bug you anyways if something is wrong |
| 18:09.52 | Kraln | of course =) |
| 18:10.08 | Kraln | anything you want installed by default (other than yum?) |
| 18:10.11 | muthu | cool |
| 18:10.25 | muthu | you have my requirements? |
| 18:10.34 | muthu | Apache latest |
| 18:10.37 | muthu | PHP latest |
| 18:10.44 | Kraln | yeah. quite honestly, that's something you should set up yourself |
| 18:11.03 | muthu | why? |
| 18:11.11 | Kraln | I have no idea what your requirements are, and the default configurations may not apply. |
| 18:11.20 | muthu | ok |
| 18:11.29 | muthu | give me the info |
| 18:11.32 | Kraln | yep |
| 18:11.53 | muthu | thx |
| 18:12.32 | muthu | got it |
| 18:12.49 | muthu | yes please |
| 18:13.26 | muthu | oh that was your suggestion.. great |
| 18:17.19 | Kraln | muthu: I'm not going to restrict your bandwidth |
| 18:17.32 | muthu | wow, great |
| 18:17.38 | Kraln | just expect to be renegotiating with me if you greatly exceed what's reasonable. |
| 18:17.45 | muthu | oh yes |
| 18:17.54 | muthu | that's the whole reason going with you |
| 18:18.01 | Kraln | as I said, I'm going to get dinged for about $15/mbit in overages |
| 18:18.04 | Dougie187 | what are you guys working on? |
| 18:18.13 | Kraln | Dougie187: I'm selling him vps hosting |
| 18:18.21 | Dougie187 | cool |
| 18:29.41 | muthu | Kraln: thanks, just login and checked |
| 18:29.49 | muthu | will set it up in the coming weeks |
| 18:29.52 | Kraln | k |
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| 18:31.37 | muthu | if any issues, we'll email you with the problem |
| 18:31.56 | muthu | most of the setup will happen, during IST daytime |
| 18:32.03 | Kraln | if you email support@digitaldomainmd.com it'll buzz the entire support staff |
| 18:32.12 | muthu | cool |
| 18:32.19 | muthu | noting down.. forgot your website |
| 18:32.28 | Kraln | (its the second half of that email) |
| 18:32.51 | muthu | ok |
| 18:37.56 | f00f- | Kraln: is selling VPS hosting now? |
| 18:38.30 | Kraln | Yes, I still have space available. |
| 18:39.50 | f00f- | gimme a quote on 100 GB/mo transfer, 256 MB RAM |
| 18:46.16 | Kraln | gives muthu a dirty look |
| 18:46.19 | Kraln | f00f-: sure, one sec |
| 18:46.23 | muthu | lol |
| 18:46.55 | muthu | Kraln: good night, time to bed. |
| 18:46.59 | f00f- | nite muthu |
| 18:47.11 | muthu | nite f00f- |
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| 18:47.34 | Kraln | f00f-: let me check on the memory |
| 18:47.43 | f00f- | ok |
| 18:48.14 | Kraln | looks like about $15/mo |
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| 18:48.56 | f00f- | not bad |
| 18:50.55 | Kraln | I'd say its pretty good =) |
| 18:51.31 | f00f- | what's the host? |
| 18:52.18 | Kraln | huh? me |
| 18:52.33 | Kraln | my machines are in the cavtel datacenter in washington, dc |
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| 19:36.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | Kraln whats your datacenter rent like? |
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| 19:49.03 | Kraln | michaelnovakjr: nonexistant |
| 19:49.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | how so? |
| 19:54.23 | Kraln | if I explained to your my competitive differentiation, I wouldn't have it, now would I? |
| 19:58.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | uh sure |
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| 20:01.52 | Kraln | I've already said too much |
| 20:02.02 | Kraln | curious about colo? |
| 20:10.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | i was curious as to what it costs to get space at one |
| 20:20.57 | Kraln | depends on who you know and what datacenter. if you're looking to colo I could come up with a price |
| 20:22.40 | davidw | Kraln, what happens when your server takes a dive and you're off on vacation? |
| 20:23.13 | Kraln | davidw: if (one) of my (multiply redundant) servers takes a dive and I am off on vacation, one of my other support staffers will respond |
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| 20:44.54 | zorg- | Do I have to make some noise to save the channel? :) |
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| 20:46.26 | zorg- | Personaly I'm catching up with my work... at work and my life at home... |
| 20:46.47 | vol_ | I've got an issue trying to update the UI of an activity based on responses sent via IPC |
| 20:46.54 | zorg- | but nobody cares in fact :) |
| 20:47.12 | vol_ | I've created a handler to dispatch messages from the thread that's doing the IPC into the thread that's doing the UI |
| 20:47.25 | vol_ | except that the handler does not stick to just one thread |
| 20:47.40 | vol_ | (it runs first on the ui thread, then later on when ipc happens it runs on the ipc thread) |
| 20:47.48 | vol_ | has this happened to anyone else? am I doing this wrong? :\ |
| 20:47.53 | zorg- | you should create the handler once in the right thread |
| 20:47.57 | vol_ | I have. |
| 20:48.19 | zorg- | mmmh... |
| 20:48.21 | vol_ | I've created a handler, and I explicitly test it by sending a junk message (which I handle correctly) in onStart |
| 20:48.37 | vol_ | later, I send that same handler a message from a method that gets called via IPC |
| 20:48.42 | vol_ | and the handler runs in the wrong thread |
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| 20:50.14 | vol_ | if you'd like, I can zip everything up and host it for testing |
| 20:50.17 | zorg- | what method are you calling to send your message ? |
| 20:51.05 | vol_ | I've created a convenience method: void handle(int notification) { Handler h = mHandler; Message msg = h.obtainMessage(notification); h.dispatchMessage(msg); } |
| 20:51.26 | vol_ | mHandler is the member handler reference for that class |
| 20:51.35 | vol_ | (the activity, not service) |
| 20:52.36 | zorg- | use sendMessage |
| 20:52.54 | zorg- | not dispatchMessage |
| 20:52.56 | vol_ | I'll try that, thanks |
| 20:53.17 | vol_ | oh shoot |
| 20:53.22 | vol_ | ha. damnit, now I see the problem |
| 20:53.27 | zorg- | :) |
| 20:53.45 | vol_ | well, now I feel like an idiot, after posting a "zomg shit is broken" thread on the newsgroups. |
| 20:53.54 | zorg- | you technically "received" your message in the thread calling "dispatchmessage" |
| 20:54.48 | zorg- | that's ok, the point is to make your stuff working. |
| 20:55.20 | vol_ | :) |
| 20:55.27 | zorg- | glad it helps |
| 20:55.39 | vol_ | it does, time to test it out |
| 20:55.57 | zorg- | it will work :) |
| 20:56.20 | vol_ | Now, since I have your ear, I'm using the plugin for eclipse. Occasionally, LogCat will show no log messags. Is this a known issue, do you know? |
| 20:56.37 | zorg- | I have that sometimes... |
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| 20:57.03 | zorg- | reselect the emulator instance in DDMS perspective |
| 20:57.24 | zorg- | or go in a terminal and type adb logcat, this doesn't fail |
| 20:57.50 | vol_ | reselecting the emu doesn't seem to ever work |
| 20:57.52 | zorg- | sometimes switching views (by clicking on tabls in eclipse bring back logcat |
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| 20:58.05 | zorg- | ok, then restart eclipse |
| 20:58.47 | vol_ | that's what I end up doing, I was just hoping there was a faster way |
| 20:58.48 | vol_ | ho hum |
| 20:58.55 | zorg- | maybe you typed something in the filter fild without knowing it |
| 21:00.43 | zorg- | in eclipse for instance I can't specify a sdcard image, no matter what I do in launch configurations... I always end up lanching the emulator by hand, and it works fine. |
| 21:01.19 | zorg- | btw despite the little things like that, eclipse plugins are just GREAT and are saving us a lot of time. |
| 21:02.01 | vol_ | yeah |
| 21:02.03 | zorg- | hey vol_, did sendMessage worked ? |
| 21:02.15 | vol_ | well, not quite. I noticed a couple other issues. |
| 21:02.35 | vol_ | for example, I had overwritten dispatchMessage instead of handleMessage |
| 21:02.40 | zorg- | cool, you move forward then, great! |
| 21:02.55 | vol_ | yes! |
| 21:03.05 | vol_ | today is not entirely going my way |
| 21:03.34 | zorg- | I would override handleMessage |
| 21:03.43 | vol_ | yes, I would to, and I just have. |
| 21:04.10 | vol_ | and I just restarted eclipse. |
| 21:04.13 | vol_ | and it just told me adb is down. |
| 21:04.28 | zorg- | you are on vista? |
| 21:04.28 | vol_ | and to restart eclipse. |
| 21:04.28 | vol_ | sigh |
| 21:04.32 | vol_ | no, xp32 |
| 21:05.42 | zorg- | did you submit by april 14th? |
| 21:06.01 | vol_ | I submitted nothing! |
| 21:06.10 | vol_ | mostly because I only just started doing android programming |
| 21:06.20 | zorg- | ok, so you do stuff for challenge 2 then? |
| 21:06.23 | vol_ | I recently switched jobs, and my manager decided that maybe this android stuff is hip and cool |
| 21:06.32 | vol_ | so, I'm still kind of getting up to speed with android |
| 21:06.35 | zorg- | it is, definitely :) |
| 21:06.49 | zorg- | and tell your boss he is too :) |
| 21:07.27 | vol_ | yeah |
| 21:07.31 | vol_ | my new boss is pretty awesome |
| 21:07.38 | vol_ | my old boss was as well but on the whole I'll take the new one |
| 21:07.49 | zorg- | :) |
| 21:07.59 | vol_ | success! |
| 21:08.06 | zorg- | yeeehaa |
| 21:08.09 | zorg- | ;) |
| 21:08.10 | vol_ | (mostly) |
| 21:08.19 | vol_ | my service kill call is broken but whatever |
| 21:08.24 | vol_ | that was on purpose |
| 21:09.50 | zorg- | my boss is an adept of micro and deceptive management :) |
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| 21:12.20 | vol_ | yeah, at my last job, my boss was awesome, but the owner was a dick |
| 21:12.26 | vol_ | my boss practiced kissing down and kicking up |
| 21:12.38 | vol_ | which he got away with because the owner just couldn't afford to lose him |
| 21:12.56 | zorg- | :) ok, time to go to bed, glad I helped you in some ways, see you. and checkout Marvin if you don't know it http://marvin.lpontier.com/ |
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| 23:43.20 | jasta | sigh, im getting sick |
| 23:43.55 | duey | vitamins ! |
| 23:44.52 | jasta | don't tell me you're one of those people that thinks taking 20x your normal recommended dose of vitamin C the very day that symptoms starts will ward off sickness |
| 23:45.06 | jasta | because those people are idiots :) |
| 23:46.44 | duey | nono normal vitamin c dose |
| 23:46.52 | duey | just a super multi vitamin |
| 23:46.58 | duey | if other people around me start getting sick |
| 23:47.54 | jasta | a healthy immune system is something that develops and works on a scale much wider than simply a few days. this is wel known. |
| 23:48.19 | duey | oh sure |
| 23:48.50 | duey | but having to fight off the bugs uses up minerals |
| 23:48.58 | duey | and you might not be replacing htem |
| 23:49.09 | duey | i dont agree with the tards who take vitamins every day |
| 23:49.17 | jasta | well* |
| 23:49.17 | jasta | so ramping up your vitamin intake days before you believe you'll be getting sick is entirely ineffective in all cases. |
| 23:49.17 | jasta | not to mention once you begin feeling symptoms it's already too late. |
| 23:49.26 | jasta | taking vitamins every day is much less retarded than what you're describing |
| 23:49.57 | duey | jasta: even if you are sick, you are using minerals so you need to replace them right? |
| 23:50.14 | jasta | Yes, which is why your doctor tells you to drink lots of fluid, specifically water. |
| 23:50.40 | jasta | But it isn't curing you, or even reducing your symptoms. |
| 23:51.00 | duey | i find i recover faster |
| 23:51.02 | duey | but thats me |
| 23:51.23 | jasta | yes, but you haven't studied this scientifically where others have. |
| 23:51.57 | duey | taking vitamins/minerals is only useful if you dont have enough |
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| 23:52.28 | jasta | yes, obviously. |
| 23:53.14 | jasta | but getting sick doesn't represent an insufficient vitamin intake. a long standing pattern of frequent sickness, might, however. |
| 23:53.31 | duey | yes i would agree |
| 23:53.53 | jasta | so then why did you yell vitamins when i said i was getting sick? :) |
| 23:54.30 | jasta | there's just no stopping it now; i will get sick, and i will get better at some point. |
| 23:54.37 | duey | because you might recover faster |
| 23:54.44 | jasta | sleeping and drinking water is, at present, the most effective recovery method. |
| 23:55.51 | jasta | large doses of any particular vitamin or regiment of vitamins are not well known to affect the common cold. |
| 23:56.09 | jasta | you're more than welcome to try to prove me wrong, but i suspect you will not find any scientific studies to the contrary, else you would find members of the medical community changing their advice. |