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| 00:32.21 | jasta | ahh, home |
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| 01:15.04 | _avatar | i have a listview whose items are a horizontal linear layout: [button1][textview][button2]. when the row is focused via the dpad i want button1 to gain focus (this works). when the right dpad button is pressed i want button2 to gain focus. whats the best way to do this? i've tried setting button1's "nextFocusRight" to button2's id, but that doesn't appear to work. |
| 01:16.16 | jasta | well, maybe this interface just isn't the right thing to use in general. |
| 01:16.43 | jasta | what do the buttons control? |
| 01:17.50 | _avatar | 2 different operations to the selected item on the row. (sorry, i'm being deliberately vague because i'm under NDA) |
| 01:17.53 | _avatar | heh |
| 01:17.59 | jasta | (btw, i don't know how to change the focus behaviour, i'm just thinking that it isn't a very good interface) |
| 01:18.27 | _avatar | hrm. |
| 01:18.42 | jasta | one thought would be to have one behaviour when the item is clicked, and a context menu when the user long clicks. |
| 01:19.53 | romainguy__ | _avatar: have you setItemsCanFocus(true)? |
| 01:20.01 | _avatar | romainguy__: yeah, i do. |
| 01:20.12 | _avatar | oops, i left out a bit of information |
| 01:20.31 | _avatar | when i press right the focus does change, but it focuses [button2] in the first item in the listview |
| 01:20.41 | _avatar | (regardless of which item is currently selected) |
| 01:21.27 | romainguy__ | ah, this is just a bug in the focus algorithm |
| 01:21.33 | romainguy__ | we changed it recently |
| 01:21.37 | romainguy__ | it should fix your problem |
| 01:22.00 | _avatar | great, thanks :) |
| 01:22.58 | _avatar | i assume the release date of the new SDK is still unknown? i haven't read anything, but admit I haven't been following this channel much the past couple days. |
| 01:24.01 | romainguy__ | nothing announced yet |
| 01:25.58 | _avatar | ok, thanks |
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| 02:51.41 | jasta | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.53 | jasta | it makes me think that multiple events can fire at once |
| 02:52.17 | michaelnovakjr | i just dumped my win mobile phone! |
| 02:52.22 | jasta | for what? |
| 02:52.39 | michaelnovakjr | i went back to my blackberry.... win mobile lasted less than two months |
| 02:52.59 | jasta | i've been using windows mobile for the past 2 years, actually |
| 02:53.14 | michaelnovakjr | the battery life was awful |
| 02:53.20 | jasta | i have, until recently, defended it as the least sucky smartphone platform. |
| 02:53.27 | michaelnovakjr | i was charging the phone 3 times a day |
| 02:53.37 | jasta | which phone? |
| 02:53.38 | michaelnovakjr | the phone itself is nice... i just rely on good battery life |
| 02:53.42 | michaelnovakjr | htc touch |
| 02:53.55 | jasta | i hated that phone :) |
| 02:54.05 | michaelnovakjr | i don't like the keyboard |
| 02:54.08 | jasta | i have a moto q9h, which is still imo one of the best smartphones out there. |
| 02:54.10 | michaelnovakjr | terrible design |
| 02:54.25 | Kraln | jasta: the gf has a moto q |
| 02:54.28 | Kraln | she likes it |
| 02:54.38 | michaelnovakjr | i had the first moto q |
| 02:54.41 | jasta | there are two moto q's, the original and q9. and then there are lots of variations of the q9. |
| 02:54.47 | jasta | the q9h is the only good one :) |
| 02:54.56 | Kraln | ah. |
| 02:54.56 | michaelnovakjr | yea the original was bad |
| 02:54.59 | Kraln | is that sprint? verizon? |
| 02:55.12 | michaelnovakjr | the original was only on verizon |
| 02:55.17 | jasta | the best thing about the q9h is the keyboard. it is truly superb, i have gotten to 30wph with it! |
| 02:55.21 | jasta | wpm* |
| 02:55.34 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: the q9h is on AT&T. |
| 02:55.38 | michaelnovakjr | i was gonna say.. 30 words per hour :) |
| 02:55.50 | jasta | 30wph would be more like other smartphones ;P |
| 02:55.55 | Kraln | ah, at&t is full of fail. -.- |
| 02:55.58 | michaelnovakjr | yea.... like the touch |
| 02:56.19 | jasta | but, still, i am desperately hoping that the HTC design for Android will knock my phone down :) |
| 02:56.27 | michaelnovakjr | same here |
| 02:56.43 | jasta | i have put a lot of eggs in this basket. i really hope the manufacturers don't fuck it all up. |
| 02:56.57 | jasta | HTC is one of those companies that makes me nervous. They have, in the past, created some really fabulous designs. |
| 02:57.07 | jasta | They've also created a disproportionately large number of terrible designs. |
| 02:57.30 | jasta | like pretty much all of their bulky pocket pc phones of late. |
| 02:58.07 | jasta | i hate to say it, but i suspect motorola and samsung will create better android handsets. |
| 02:58.11 | jasta | but won't be first to the table. |
| 02:58.40 | jasta | i will probably buy them all though. i'm going to just casually collect expensive android handsets for at least the first 6 months ;) |
| 02:59.21 | Kraln | I'd love a samsung one |
| 02:59.34 | Kraln | big touch screen, then with a slide-out qwerty |
| 02:59.37 | Kraln | that's my ideal phone |
| 02:59.43 | jasta | that's what HTC is set to produce first. |
| 02:59.59 | Kraln | one with a bit touch screen and a slide-out qwerty? |
| 03:00.02 | Kraln | big* |
| 03:00.06 | michaelnovakjr | not a fan of slide out keyboard |
| 03:00.10 | jasta | have you seen the leaked photo of what is very probably the HTC Dream? |
| 03:00.14 | Kraln | no :-( |
| 03:00.29 | jasta | Kraln: hang on then |
| 03:00.45 | jasta | http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/04/20/htc-spy-shot-reveals-handful-of-new-phones/ |
| 03:01.13 | jasta | the bottom row contains 3 of the same phone. that phone is believed to be the HTC Dream, the first handset to run Android. |
| 03:01.18 | jasta | or at least, a prototype of it. |
| 03:01.40 | Kraln | wow, that's like exactly what I wanted |
| 03:02.11 | jasta | this is based on speculation stemming from designs submitted to the FTC which originally specified WinMo, but then later retracted that and did not replace it with anything |
| 03:02.23 | jasta | and those handsets in the photo look very, very similar to those design specs. |
| 03:02.32 | jasta | so, the rumor mill is pegging it as the HTC Dream, the Android phone. |
| 03:02.41 | Kraln | I hope I can get it on sprint =) |
| 03:05.22 | jasta | if true, i have a complaint about the keyboard already :) |
| 03:05.38 | jasta | the purely rectangular design just doesnt work well. it should be angled. |
| 03:05.59 | jasta | so that your thumb doesn't need to bend so much while using it |
| 03:06.46 | Kraln | hmm, true |
| 03:07.32 | jasta | i admit though i like the idea of a fully keyboard and touch screen |
| 03:07.45 | jasta | i suspect that will work well if applications are designed to take advantage of it. |
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| 03:08.04 | jasta | most apps could be designed to work nicely with just the touch screen, with just a few requiring you pull the keyboard out |
| 03:08.40 | jasta | anyway, enough speculation. i want to take this ride in one step at a time; first up, who wins the ADC? :) |
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| 03:42.07 | michaelnovakjr | :) wireless music to my xbox 360 on ubuntu.... eat that microsoft! |
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| 04:23.32 | michaelnovakjr | yawn |
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| 04:33.15 | jasta | ditto |
| 04:33.21 | jasta | just about to wrap up coding for the night |
| 04:33.31 | jasta | almost got a successful test of my shiny new inotify support |
| 04:35.23 | michaelnovakj1 | nice :) |
| 04:36.00 | jasta | yeah, it's a big part of the puzzle, but relatively easy to do now that all my framework is in place |
| 04:36.18 | jasta | the next big part is the GNOME, Windows, and OS X UI. |
| 04:36.32 | michaelnovakj1 | :) |
| 04:36.33 | jasta | i'm really praying that someone will write the Windows and OS X parts for me :\ |
| 04:36.41 | michaelnovakj1 | i am an OS X programmer |
| 04:37.04 | michaelnovakj1 | and a windows programmer.... although i don't advertise that often :) |
| 04:37.04 | jasta | ...i'm listening ;) |
| 04:37.49 | jasta | the UI portion of the server would be very small. basically just some basic configuration for UPnP, choosing a username/password, and some type of wizard or whatever to let you pick where your music is. |
| 04:38.06 | jasta | s/basically// |
| 04:38.12 | michaelnovakj1 | haha |
| 04:38.15 | jasta | stupid bot |
| 04:38.18 | michaelnovakj1 | that doesn't sound so bad |
| 04:38.34 | jasta | yeah, the UI portion of the server is very light. there's just not that much for it to configure. |
| 04:38.44 | michaelnovakj1 | you already wrote logic for scanning the desired directory? |
| 04:38.49 | jasta | duh :) |
| 04:38.50 | michaelnovakj1 | or is that included |
| 04:39.02 | michaelnovakj1 | haha, i wasn't sure if you had some demo setup for the challenege |
| 04:39.07 | jasta | the engine itself is portable, written using GLib. |
| 04:39.12 | michaelnovakj1 | sweet |
| 04:39.18 | michaelnovakj1 | you said it was C right? |
| 04:39.20 | jasta | and it works. it could be released now. |
| 04:39.21 | jasta | yeah. |
| 04:39.24 | michaelnovakj1 | :) |
| 04:39.39 | jasta | it doesn't have a UI and prior to 2 days ago, no inotify support which made it kind of pointless |
| 04:39.49 | jasta | but the latter at least is coming together now hehe |
| 04:40.08 | jasta | previously i had to stop and start it to get it to sense changes. though it does that correctly. |
| 04:40.15 | jasta | is capable of determing if files have been moved, deleted, etc. |
| 04:40.32 | jasta | and it tracks those changes. it doesn't just force the phone to refresh its entire database each time a change occurs. |
| 04:40.41 | michaelnovakj1 | nice |
| 04:40.49 | jasta | so its otherwise very functional already |
| 04:40.53 | michaelnovakj1 | i can help you with the server ui wizards for win and mac if you need it |
| 04:41.03 | jasta | which is why i was a bit disappointed i couldn't really show it off the judges |
| 04:41.06 | jasta | for the judges* |
| 04:41.23 | jasta | I'm hoping that if I make it to round 2, they will be more open to letting me provide a real server. |
| 04:41.34 | jasta | since there will only be 50 people competing |
| 04:41.49 | michaelnovakj1 | yea |
| 04:41.57 | jasta | i would also need a windows UI at that point, sigh |
| 04:42.11 | michaelnovakj1 | i could do that as well.... i program C# |
| 04:42.16 | jasta | i plan to do the GNOME UI myself, but I just have no experience at all writing code on Windows |
| 04:42.36 | jasta | i do have experience writing projects that port very gracefully to Windows, however. |
| 04:43.23 | michaelnovakj1 | gracefully is good :) |
| 04:44.27 | jasta | well if you're interested, i'll approach you when the project is ready to expand to other platforms |
| 04:44.46 | jasta | i'd really appreciate the help :) |
| 04:45.18 | michaelnovakj1 | no problem, let me know when you'd like to do the Mac UI and Win UI and i'll gladly help out |
| 04:45.40 | jasta | cool, thanks |
| 04:45.47 | michaelnovakj1 | no problem |
| 04:46.07 | jasta | hopefully i will have some prize money to share hehe |
| 04:46.16 | jasta | but if not, i'll still need it ;P |
| 04:46.23 | michaelnovakj1 | of course :) |
| 04:48.10 | jasta | crosses his fingers and runs another inotify test |
| 04:49.09 | jasta | segfault, woo :) |
| 04:49.42 | michaelnovakj1 | fun |
| 04:50.04 | jasta | simple omission, moving on ;) |
| 04:55.07 | michaelnovakj1 | i'm excited i can stream music to my xbox from my linux computer! |
| 04:55.23 | jasta | hooray, the inotify code works! |
| 04:55.29 | michaelnovakj1 | nice! |
| 04:55.33 | jasta | time to pay attention to my girlfriend :) |
| 04:55.38 | michaelnovakj1 | haha |
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| 05:50.56 | muthu | http://kara.allthingsd.com/20080422/twitter-down-scobles-knickers-in-knots/ |
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| 08:33.50 | muthu | anyone know a linux tool to draw architecture diagrams, screenshots etc., |
| 08:33.56 | muthu | i'm on FC8 |
| 08:34.28 | duey | neat someone tested my app |
| 08:34.36 | muthu | really? |
| 08:34.55 | muthu | ok, so the results will be out soon |
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| 08:47.15 | davidw | did you guys see this thing: |
| 08:47.38 | davidw | http://www.enkin.net/ |
| 08:47.53 | davidw | is so screwed |
| 08:48.20 | duey | ? |
| 08:48.21 | muthu | oh yes |
| 08:48.23 | muthu | why? |
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| 11:20.27 | varjag | re |
| 11:21.19 | ligi | hi varjag |
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| 12:41.23 | Dougie187 | heh, i love that topic. |
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| 13:11.12 | acsia | morning |
| 13:19.22 | michaelnovakjr__ | morning |
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| 13:48.44 | ligi | evening |
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| 13:55.15 | Dougie187 | How is everyone doing on this fine morning? |
| 13:55.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | just dandy, yourself? |
| 13:55.58 | AstainHellbring | is waiting for a server to be delivered |
| 13:56.20 | Dougie187 | Pretty good |
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| 15:32.50 | darkbalder | hello davidw |
| 15:33.00 | davidw | hi |
| 15:33.15 | davidw | ah... hi, I got your email... |
| 15:33.42 | darkbalder | what do you think man? |
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| 15:34.41 | davidw | I can talk via skype, no problem... it might be tough finding a time of day that works though |
| 15:35.52 | darkbalder | do you speak spanish? |
| 15:36.11 | davidw | nope, I'm answering your email with my information |
| 15:36.26 | darkbalder | thanks I shal read up |
| 15:36.57 | davidw | there |
| 15:37.00 | davidw | sent |
| 15:38.28 | darkbalder | XD |
| 15:40.07 | darkbalder | if you can send me the hours that you have "free" for your conference |
| 15:40.19 | darkbalder | is for our schedule |
| 15:40.35 | darkbalder | Ecuador is GMT -5 |
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| 15:42.05 | davidw | ah that's not that bad |
| 15:42.24 | davidw | so it's 11:42 there |
| 15:44.14 | darkbalder | where are you working? |
| 15:45.43 | davidw | I have my own company |
| 15:47.16 | davidw | www.dedasys.com - which is just me |
| 15:51.59 | darkbalder | you are in living in austria?? |
| 15:52.10 | darkbalder | now here is 10:52 |
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| 15:56.45 | davidw | darkbalder, ah... ok so no daylight savings, which makes since, being on the 'ecuador':-) |
| 15:56.53 | davidw | yeah I live in Austria |
| 15:57.04 | davidw | so that's 7 hours difference |
| 16:02.28 | darkbalder | 7 hours! wow |
| 16:03.28 | davidw | well, it's not a problem - I can do a presentation in the morning your time |
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| 16:17.02 | vol | Is there a way to vary the touch screen pressure using the emu? |
| 16:19.54 | darkbalder | davidw, the conferences begin at 8h00 am |
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| 16:20.56 | darkbalder | we can adapt to your schedule, is better do yo think so? |
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| 16:21.48 | darkbalder | say me what time you prefer please |
| 16:35.35 | darkbalder | i'll back |
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| 17:29.28 | jasta | so, about the enkin thing. |
| 17:29.45 | muthu | what about it? |
| 17:29.50 | jasta | am i missing something or does this app not seem as great as everyone is saying? i mean, how would you use this crud? |
| 17:30.07 | muthu | its pure innovation |
| 17:30.10 | jasta | you pull up your phone's camera and pan around to find where things are instead of just looking at a map? |
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| 17:30.27 | jasta | a map isn't more intuitive, but it sure is easier to use. |
| 17:30.37 | muthu | it just cool |
| 17:30.40 | muthu | and people like it |
| 17:30.44 | jasta | right, but it's *just* cool, right? |
| 17:30.56 | muthu | yeah |
| 17:31.09 | jasta | i mean, does anyone actually think that they would ever practically take advantage of this for any reason? |
| 17:31.32 | jasta | especially considering it will require GPS in order to work. so if you have a map and GPS and still can't figure out where you're going...what the hell is wrong with you? |
| 17:31.47 | muthu | its a great shortcut |
| 17:31.57 | muthu | i dont have to type or feed anything |
| 17:32.01 | jasta | but is it though? to me, it seems clumsy to use. |
| 17:32.16 | muthu | tourists would love them |
| 17:32.24 | jasta | intuitive, but awkward. it's obvious how you would use it, but it would be lame to have to hold your camera up and walk around with it in front of you |
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| 17:33.05 | jasta | muthu: Why would they though? tourists would love GPS and a map. but why is this extra piece necessary? |
| 17:33.26 | jasta | i really just don't get it i guess. it's very innovative and looks like it was quite challenging to do. but that alone is insufficient to make it useful. |
| 17:33.48 | jasta | in fact i think it is a classic example of overengineering. it's *less* useful than a simpler tool: a map. |
| 17:33.59 | muthu | think about the current alternates |
| 17:34.07 | davidw | jasta, ah, but is it sufficient to *win the contest* ? |
| 17:34.23 | jasta | the current alternatives are google maps with GPS, which are amazing together. |
| 17:34.27 | muthu | enkin WILL win |
| 17:34.35 | muthu | no doubt |
| 17:34.48 | jasta | davidw: Well that isn't what I'm talking about. It can win, I don't care. But what the hell is the point of the tool outside of the challenge? |
| 17:35.17 | davidw | jasta, it's pretty cool, I think... the fact that they got this thing working that marries the camera to the map in real time is pretty neat |
| 17:35.35 | jasta | Again, I'm sure it represents an impressive challenge that the developers had to solve. But why did they solve it? |
| 17:35.57 | jasta | Can anyone say it is something they'd like to practically use to find a destination? |
| 17:35.58 | muthu | yes |
| 17:36.13 | muthu | everyone with a camera and gps will use it |
| 17:37.03 | jasta | So you're saying folks would find it easier to open google maps, search for their destination, then turn on the camera and pan occassionally to navigate to their destination? |
| 17:37.04 | muthu | every tourist atleast |
| 17:37.27 | muthu | what? |
| 17:37.47 | muthu | you just open your camera and shoot |
| 17:37.56 | jasta | No, you have to pin a location on a map first. |
| 17:38.01 | jasta | Otherwise it does nothing. |
| 17:38.07 | davidw | I could totally see using something like that, in, say, Rome |
| 17:38.14 | davidw | it has tons of stuff to see and go to |
| 17:38.22 | jasta | So you already would have to do the labor of opening the map, which at that point you have your GPS position and the location of your destination. You have already solved your problem! |
| 17:38.24 | davidw | jasta, in the current version |
| 17:38.42 | davidw | you could presumably load up a file with a list of things to see |
| 17:38.46 | muthu | oh the extra steps |
| 17:38.55 | muthu | probably will be eliminated |
| 17:39.14 | jasta | how could it be eliminated? how would you pick a destination? |
| 17:39.34 | davidw | crowdsource it! |
| 17:39.49 | jasta | i suppose, but then why couldn't you just load that information in to google maps? |
| 17:40.33 | jasta | let me just go out on a limb and say i will be very surprised if this idea takes off with anyone, anywhere. it's a great, novel innovation, and seemingly a solid implementation, but i say that it is entirely unnecessary. |
| 17:40.45 | muthu | its really useful to see the map info overlayed with the real thing |
| 17:40.52 | jasta | it doesn't introduce a better solution. it introduces merely a different one. |
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| 17:41.12 | davidw | jasta, you might be right that as a general purpose app it never takes off, but I'm sure there are niches where it would be great |
| 17:41.14 | davidw | tourism for instance |
| 17:41.17 | jasta | muthu: Useful how? The only thing it does for you is help you determine which way is north, which you can do by simply moving around in one direction and watching GPS |
| 17:41.19 | davidw | self guided outdoor tour |
| 17:41.27 | davidw | and you know what you're looking at |
| 17:41.52 | muthu | right |
| 17:41.53 | jasta | And for that matter, how does it know which way is North while you're standing still? |
| 17:42.03 | jasta | It must be faking it |
| 17:42.46 | jasta | Which already makes me feel like the app would suck to use. It would ask you to wander aimlessly for a moment before it can show you where things are, even if you might otherwise be able to read a map. |
| 17:42.47 | muthu | no |
| 17:43.01 | muthu | i don't think they're faking it |
| 17:43.15 | jasta | then how would it know which way is North? GPS doesn't tell you your orientation. |
| 17:43.31 | muthu | its coupled with accelerometer |
| 17:43.33 | jasta | the only way it can be used to determine cardinality is if you walk around for a minute. |
| 17:43.40 | jasta | muthu: the accelerometer doesn't tell you north either. |
| 17:44.06 | jasta | the only thing that would tell you which way is north is a fucking compass :) |
| 17:44.45 | muthu | i'm looking for an article |
| 17:45.03 | muthu | let me find it for yo |
| 17:45.17 | jasta | ok, but it seems pretty obvious to me. there is no utility inside of android for determining cardinal direction other than observing your GPS coordinates changing over time. |
| 17:45.25 | muthu | http://androidguys.com/2008/04/19/developer-spotlight-series-9/ |
| 17:45.59 | muthu | what other people did and how we could be different in some way. So I think we’ve pretty much succeeded. Enkin uses GPS, 3D graphics via OpenGL ES, video from the camera, the orientation sensors, and several web services taking advantage of always-on internet. |
| 17:46.17 | jasta | muthu: how does that answer my question? |
| 17:46.33 | jasta | when you first open the application and you pick a destination. it simply can't work until you walk around for a minute. |
| 17:46.50 | jasta | unless it has been tracking your location all along, prior to its use. |
| 17:47.11 | jasta | which would be awfully wasteful on the battery, just to determine which way is North :) |
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| 17:48.59 | jasta | well, call me a skeptic anyway. i'm predicting this application will go nowhere past the ADC. |
| 17:49.10 | muthu | come on jasta |
| 17:49.13 | muthu | that's a sure winner |
| 17:49.17 | muthu | in top 5 |
| 17:49.23 | jasta | not even to a niche market. nobody will find this better than a map and gps. |
| 17:49.38 | jasta | muthu: and maybe it is, but it will go nowhere past the ADC, like i said. |
| 17:49.56 | jasta | and especially if they try to put a business model on top of it they will kill the whole thing. even free it's a hard sell. |
| 17:50.27 | muthu | they'll be bought by google |
| 17:50.41 | jasta | extremely unlikely |
| 17:51.27 | muthu | or one of the OHA members |
| 17:51.38 | jasta | even less likely from the OHA members. |
| 17:51.48 | muthu | the mobile carriers will love them |
| 17:52.00 | muthu | http://www.pehub.com/article/articledetail.php?articlepostid=11638 |
| 17:52.06 | mihoshi | Btw, what is relation between OHA and Open Mobile Alliance? |
| 17:52.13 | jasta | not a chance. the carriers will only like applications that make people feel like they need to buy a data connection. |
| 17:52.20 | jasta | because that's their next big market to attack. |
| 17:52.36 | muthu | yeah with enkin, i want a onways on gps |
| 17:53.08 | jasta | that doesn't require a data connection. but again, google maps is an application that makes people want a data connection. |
| 17:53.13 | jasta | e-mail is an app that does this. |
| 17:53.34 | jasta | some gimmicky tourist app that frankly has no advantage over traditional maps? not a chance. |
| 17:53.54 | jasta | nobody is going to think that is so compelling that they must rush out and buy an android phone with GPS. ask any joe blow off the street you'd like. they won't get it. |
| 17:54.08 | jasta | err, android phone with a data connection, i meant :) |
| 17:54.31 | muthu | lol |
| 17:54.38 | muthu | man you are in a mood today |
| 17:54.42 | jasta | remember, data connections in most of the tarket markets for Android are $30/mo USD or more. So if you want a killer app that speaks to the customer it has to be worth that amount of money for the carriers to care about it. |
| 17:55.29 | jasta | but, i'm happy to digress and patiently wait for the fallout of all this android business. |
| 17:55.55 | jasta | i'll eat my words if Enkin is the next big marketting push and everyone is drooling at the mouth to get it. but it just ain't gonna happen :) |
| 17:56.18 | muthu | hmm that no one knows |
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| 17:56.21 | jasta | it's a great demonstration of a great idea that has absolutely no use to anyone. |
| 17:57.09 | jasta | even my girlfriend can finally manage to navigate using my cell phone now that i have GPS. and she can barely (and i mean barely) read a map. |
| 17:57.57 | muthu | maps is not enough |
| 17:58.50 | muthu | innovation doesn't care what people are comfortable with today |
| 17:59.20 | muthu | it will find you a new comfort for tomorrw |
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| 18:00.36 | jasta | sure, but do you actually suppose that enkin is that? is it actually more comfortable to use? |
| 18:00.43 | jasta | does it work better? easier? more sensibly? |
| 18:00.50 | jasta | or is it just more novel? |
| 18:01.20 | muthu | put it this way, its a new way of using maps |
| 18:01.50 | jasta | yes, it is. |
| 18:02.00 | jasta | and that was just my argument if you were paying attention. |
| 18:02.15 | jasta | is it anything *more* than a new way? is it better, easier, more sensible? or just new? |
| 18:03.10 | Marvin_ | you have to hop your device up in the air to look at things. |
| 18:03.20 | Marvin_ | hop=hold |
| 18:03.24 | jasta | i say not. this is a classic example of overengineering. the simpler tool (a map) works best. |
| 18:05.08 | benley | demands a shrubbery |
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| 18:08.45 | muthu | jasta: suggest me a tool for drawing design diagrams |
| 18:09.33 | romainguy__ | muthu: OmniGraffle |
| 18:09.51 | muthu | is it linux? |
| 18:09.57 | romainguy__ | no |
| 18:10.01 | muthu | oh oh |
| 18:10.06 | muthu | know you guys use mac |
| 18:10.17 | muthu | i'm running FC8 |
| 18:10.25 | benley | dia? |
| 18:10.34 | jerkface03 | muthu: ArgoUML? |
| 18:10.43 | jerkface03 | OpenOffice Draw? |
| 18:11.05 | muthu | yeah |
| 18:11.12 | Marvin_ | On linux: Sketch.. ? |
| 18:11.20 | Marvin_ | http://linuxfocus.org/English/November1999/article120.html |
| 18:11.38 | muthu | wanted to know which one is widely used |
| 18:11.58 | muthu | umbrello is in my system |
| 18:12.05 | muthu | OO draw is available |
| 18:13.24 | muthu | dia, poseidon |
| 18:13.29 | muthu | argo |
| 18:15.16 | muthu | arghhh.. design diagrams |
| 18:15.24 | jerkface03 | i thought poseidon was based off of argo? |
| 18:15.27 | jerkface03 | just use oo |
| 18:15.32 | muthu | ok |
| 18:15.35 | muthu | oo rules! |
| 18:15.52 | jerkface03 | yep, i use it for everything other than docx |
| 18:16.03 | jerkface03 | but i'm sure it'll be able to read it soon |
| 18:16.44 | muthu | yes OO keeps me happy in linux |
| 18:16.59 | muthu | and can send it in .doc for those paranoids |
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| 18:38.33 | jasta | documents should be transmitted in PDF if you ask me :) |
| 18:40.07 | muthu | right, that's what people ask for thankfully |
| 18:40.12 | mihoshi | Can someone recommend a good resource about Java optimization? |
| 18:40.25 | jasta | why specifically about Java? |
| 18:41.11 | romainguy__ | http://code.google.com/android/toolbox/performance.html |
| 18:41.13 | mihoshi | jasta: Because I know enough about language-unspecific optimization:) |
| 18:41.48 | mihoshi | jasta: Well, not enough, but at least significiantly more than about Java-specific optimization |
| 18:42.03 | mihoshi | romainguy__: Woo, thanks! |
| 18:42.11 | jasta | well, the resource romain pointed to is a good baseline for Android development specifically |
| 18:42.28 | jasta | although many of the important points there can be taken generically and applied to any language. |
| 18:43.06 | romainguy__ | jasta: except that in Java it can depend on the VM itself |
| 18:44.00 | jasta | yes, can and does, but even in the introduction it mentions two very general strategies ;) |
| 18:44.20 | jasta | and i'd say those are the most significant :) |
| 18:44.42 | romainguy__ | the most important thing is to avoid unnecessary memory allocations |
| 18:44.46 | romainguy__ | that helps a lot |
| 18:45.14 | jasta | also a very good strategy for most languages and runtime systems. allocations and copies are _usually_ expensive :) |
| 18:45.47 | romainguy__ | actually allocations in Java SE are not expensive at all |
| 18:46.11 | romainguy__ | what's costly is to run the GC |
| 18:46.20 | romainguy__ | especially since it stops the world |
| 18:46.57 | jasta | well, the most generally efficient GC strategies still suffer from excessive allocations, even though the damage is deferred to another time. |
| 18:47.50 | jasta | regardless, it's never a bad idea to avoid _unnecessary_ allocations and copies. |
| 18:48.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | Java GC is terrible |
| 18:48.36 | romainguy__ | michaelnovakj1: no, it's not |
| 18:48.38 | jasta | in certain situations it can even improve readability of your code as it is no longer moving in directions not ultimately useful to the task at hand. |
| 18:49.51 | muthu | which one of the android apps for ADC you guys really love - pick one. |
| 18:49.58 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: actually it's been shown that in some circumstances an efficient GC engine can outperform humans. Humans tend to be too lazy :) |
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| 18:52.22 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta, that is true, but sometimes it also can cause slight delays in execution and therefore hinder performance of an app |
| 18:52.29 | jasta | romainguy__: i do have a few specific concerns about the android-specific guide. specifically, some of this looks like a glaring deficiency of the Dalvik VM and should presumably be fixed at some point. |
| 18:52.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | nasdaq had that sort of issue with trading software |
| 18:52.42 | romainguy__ | jasta: like what? |
| 18:52.43 | jasta | like, why would it be advantageous to cache field lookups? |
| 18:52.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | i think if GC was opt in then it would be better |
| 18:53.48 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: there are many different GC strategies, you know. sometimes it is a good idea to choose one explicitly. |
| 18:54.18 | mihoshi | What Java lacks is constructing objects on stack. In C++ you can cut a lot of memory allocation with that. |
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| 19:00.46 | jasta | romainguy__: do you know? |
| 19:01.11 | romainguy__ | because local variables are on the stack? |
| 19:01.45 | davidw | IIRC, Erlang has per-process GC |
| 19:01.52 | jasta | but the lookup performance should be the same either way. |
| 19:01.55 | davidw | Erlang is super cool for that kind of thing, but sucks at a lot of other stuff |
| 19:02.54 | jasta | the location of the variable should be determined using O(1) whether on a local stack or as a class member. i am not certain if that is true in other VMs, but it seems intuitive that it should be? |
| 19:08.55 | f00f- | jasta: seen any hits to your server yet? |
| 19:12.13 | mihoshi | romainguy__: Ah, yes, because a lot of temp data can be used ob stack instead of in heap. |
| 19:20.42 | mihoshi | mourns absent of javax.naming in Android. So cute classess... |
| 19:23.22 | mihoshi | Luckily it is not hard to include them manually... javax.naming.Name is great for uri-s |
| 19:26.29 | jasta | f00f-: no, not since the devs were playing |
| 19:26.47 | mihoshi | Btw, should only code in a product be a GPL, if it uses some GPL source, or all artwork/music/etc too? |
| 19:27.28 | jasta | mihoshi: what? |
| 19:28.36 | jasta | if you've been tainted by the GPL, then only the derivatives must be released under the GPL. If that doesn't include your atwork, you need not release it. |
| 19:29.06 | jasta | However in the spirit of openness, I would still encourage you to release the artwork under an open license such as the CC. |
| 19:31.12 | mihoshi | jasta: But how can I make money from it then? :) |
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| 19:34.19 | mihoshi | And what if artwork/etc is distributed as a separate apk? |
| 19:34.59 | jasta | Well consider this: can you profit from it? :) |
| 19:35.32 | mihoshi | Hope so:0 |
| 19:35.34 | mihoshi | :) |
| 19:35.42 | jasta | Like I said, the artwork is not implicitly tainted by the GPL just because your code is. It may be tainted for other reasons, but not that. |
| 19:36.10 | jasta | But it makes little sense to distribute the functional part of your project under the GPL and not the artwork associated with it unless that artwork is in some way significant to the application's usability. |
| 19:36.16 | jasta | If it is, then perhaps you can derive a business model from it. |
| 19:36.31 | jasta | But you'll look like a douchebag if you're wrong ;) |
| 19:37.23 | jasta | btw, profiting from mobile software and services is currently very difficult. it is certainly black magic to succeed. |
| 19:38.02 | davidw | according to DHH, it's easy: you just have to set a price |
| 19:38.07 | jasta | DHH? |
| 19:38.45 | davidw | the rails dude |
| 19:38.58 | mihoshi | Rails? |
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| 19:39.15 | davidw | http://www.justin.tv/hackertv/97862/DHH_Talk__Startup_School_2008 |
| 19:39.22 | jasta | davidw: well, he's probably wrong anyway, not knowing specifically what he's talking about. |
| 19:39.33 | davidw | mihoshi, live under a rock, or what?:-) |
| 19:39.37 | jasta | most companies have thus far drastically overestimated consumer spending in this market and have closed shop as a result. |
| 19:40.06 | davidw | I was being a bit sarcastic... he's prone to hand waving about how simple things are |
| 19:40.14 | jasta | the quality of the software has traditionally been very low and the prices, in the consumer mind, too high. |
| 19:40.33 | jasta | so mihoshi, unless you are actually different, don't bother; you'll fail :) |
| 19:40.59 | mihoshi | Then what's the point of making mobile apps? |
| 19:41.01 | jasta | instead, make users happy and just release your software open. first let's build consumers confidence that mobile software can be good, then you can worry about how to capitalize from that. |
| 19:41.47 | mihoshi | I plan to release it free anyway, but I hope to profit from add-ons |
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| 20:29.52 | jasta | mihoshi: what's your idea? |
| 20:30.58 | jasta | i just got back to my desk, and am troubled by your previous comment |
| 20:31.13 | jasta | "then what's the point...?" -- do you regard profit as the only reason to produce? |
| 20:31.24 | mihoshi | jasta: Tabletop game engine. |
| 20:32.16 | mihoshi | jasta: No, but it is a way to get more time for it. Instead of wating time on getting money elsewhere. |
| 20:32.20 | jasta | i believe that given Android's climate, any simple game or game engine is unlikely to be profitable anyway. the market will be flooded by quality, though simple, free games. |
| 20:34.27 | mihoshi | jasta: Sure it will:) |
| 20:34.53 | jasta | do you have any logic to explain your position? |
| 20:35.55 | jasta | right now the mobile game industry is highly profitable. simple games can fetch sometimes up to $20 and are very easy to install on phones through bundled carrier services. but do you see that trend continuing in the wake of increasingly open platforms such as Android? |
| 20:37.19 | SUSaiyan | god i hope not? |
| 20:37.26 | mihoshi | jasta: There will be always people with money to spend, if you give them good excuse enough for that. |
| 20:37.58 | jasta | mihoshi: Yes, but that fact alone doesn't mean your application will be profitable. You're describing that profitability is possible, not that you will be profitable. |
| 20:38.31 | jasta | And right here you already have one individual not engaged in this dialog who doesn't want to see the current market continue as-is. |
| 20:39.13 | jasta | I think you'd be hard pressed to find consumers who would. So platforms like Android are bringing a lot of pressure to change the market quite radically, sucking away all that low-hanging fruit that used to exist before. |
| 20:39.59 | mihoshi | jasta: There always will be people that will not pay for something they don't really need. And there is a lot things that people don't need. |
| 20:40.04 | SUSaiyan | not that i was ever going to spend 20 bucks on a simple game anyway |
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| 20:40.39 | jasta | mihoshi: Yes, but again, you are not describing your profitability. Merely profitability in general. |
| 20:40.40 | SUSaiyan | that and my current phone is just a phone and i cant install games on it |
| 20:40.53 | jasta | Perhaps you'd like to pair your own ideas with the current and future market trends and see how you fair? Not well, I'd say. |
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| 20:41.05 | convivial | hi! |
| 20:41.28 | SUSaiyan | hello |
| 20:41.30 | jasta | hello |
| 20:43.04 | convivial | can emu generate call events? |
| 20:43.11 | SUSaiyan | yes |
| 20:43.19 | SUSaiyan | you can telnet into the emulator |
| 20:43.21 | jasta | mihoshi: I personally intend to create a small collection of games that I have always wanted to see on my mobile. I assume many people are also thinking like me: what's a few days worth of my time to have something simple I've always wanted? |
| 20:43.25 | convivial | what other kind of events can it generate? |
| 20:43.27 | jasta | convivial: you can also use DDMS to do this. |
| 20:43.37 | convivial | coolies |
| 20:43.57 | jasta | convivial: changing data and voice connectivity, sending sms messages, that's about it. there are other third party tools that can do more, like simulate camera, accelerometer, etc. |
| 20:44.08 | jasta | i assume that functionality is coming to ddms as well. |
| 20:44.10 | mihoshi | jasta: Well, idea is like that - simple tabletop games will be free (and easily constructed by players themselves), complex ones with a lot of artwork and AI will be sold for money. |
| 20:44.15 | convivial | jasta what are they called? |
| 20:44.35 | jasta | convivial: i don't know, google it. |
| 20:44.44 | jasta | mihoshi: Well, good luck. You'll fail, but good luck anyway :) |
| 20:44.54 | jasta | Perhaps you could hope to fail slowly or something. |
| 20:46.00 | mihoshi | jasta: Right now I'm concentrating on making quality product. What I will do with that afterwards - we'll see:) |
| 20:46.32 | mihoshi | jasta: Btw, do you have ideas how not to fail? |
| 20:46.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | mihoshi: don't do it :) |
| 20:46.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | then you are guaranteed not to fail :) |
| 20:46.54 | jasta | Well, you could not try. That would certaily eliminate the possibility :) |
| 20:47.11 | f00f- | you will all fail unless you paypal me $1,000,000 |
| 20:49.09 | jasta | More seriously, just assume that there's no low-hanging fruit in the emerging market. Your app sounds very simple, and it would be difficult to fetch a profit from it. Unless you're willing to discuss in greater detail what extensions you will provide to make money, I can't offer any concrete suggsetions. |
| 20:49.40 | jasta | Also it's important to remember that failure is an option, and does happen. Just because you're ambitious doesn't mean you will succeed :) |
| 20:50.13 | f00f- | werd |
| 20:50.14 | mihoshi | Well, extension like turn-based strategy game, or collectible-like card game. |
| 20:50.20 | f00f- | mihoshi: it's hard to make money off simple game engines |
| 20:50.28 | jasta | It would be a good idea to probe the market *before* doing your development. Figure out what will sell, instead of just produce something and assume it will. |
| 20:50.29 | f00f- | two or three will succeed, and once they have the market |
| 20:50.32 | f00f- | everyone else will fail. |
| 20:51.11 | jasta | If even two or three. |
| 20:51.58 | jasta | mihoshi: That said, there's a much simpler and IMO better way to approach this problem. |
| 20:52.12 | jasta | Don't bother profiting on small projects: just release them for free and be happy with what notoriety you get from them :) |
| 20:52.28 | jasta | It's way less stressful and chasing profit hehe |
| 20:52.43 | jasta | -and, +than |
| 20:52.51 | f00f- | you working on any for-profit apps jasta? |
| 20:52.54 | f00f- | just curious |
| 20:53.08 | jasta | Nope. My strategy is far more devious ;) |
| 20:53.25 | f00f- | hehe |
| 20:53.36 | jasta | No, not really. I'm just trying to enter the mobile industry, and I figured I'd write my dream app as a way to learn specifically the Android platform and get my feet wet a bit. |
| 20:54.56 | jasta | Prior to Android and the iPhone, I had been turned off by the stagnation of the industry as a whole. All the platforms were the same old recycled junk, no one seemingly could break through and change the game, ... |
| 20:55.26 | mihoshi | but is your app different? |
| 20:55.29 | jasta | The iPhone started a ball rolling and Android came along to really follow through with it. The pattern of change has excited me enough to finally want to explore the industry a bit more, professionally. |
| 20:56.07 | jasta | mihoshi: I'm not selling my app. I meant enter the industry as a software engineer, not an entrepeneur. |
| 20:56.20 | jasta | entrepreneur, what a weird word to spell :) |
| 20:57.02 | f00f- | yeah i'm really excited about it as well |
| 20:57.22 | f00f- | going to pre with android, and looking at possibilities for j2me, which are lame compared to android's base feature set |
| 20:57.32 | jasta | I dunno, I figure brushing up my Java significantly and tackling a hip new platform should put me in a decent position to launch a new career. And it satisfies my personal goals because I really wanted to write my app anyway. |
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| 20:59.20 | mihoshi | Same for me, I guess. But I don't to throw away other options too. |
| 20:59.58 | jasta | I just wouldn't invest energy in hoping to profit on such a large unknown. It just doesn't sound smart to me :) |
| 21:01.49 | jasta | Your ambitions seem too low anyway. What is your high mark, making a modest profit from a simple project? Come on, at least be a visionary if you're going to pioneer into an unknown, changing market ;) |
| 21:02.24 | jasta | As a side-note, I used to know this guy who started his own web consulting company way back in the day and he used to distribute business cards that had his title listed as "Senior Visionary". I loved that ;) |
| 21:03.39 | f00f- | hahaha |
| 21:03.42 | f00f- | thatis awesome |
| 21:03.48 | f00f- | did he make it big? |
| 21:05.27 | jasta | Not huge, but he's still in business today so I think he's done alright. |
| 21:05.43 | f00f- | nice |
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| 21:06.03 | jasta | oh yeah here it is |
| 21:06.05 | jasta | it's even on his page: |
| 21:06.11 | jasta | http://topfunky.com/ -- look in the bottom right :) |
| 21:06.23 | jasta | he actually is a talented dude. i'm not surprised he's done well. |
| 21:06.48 | jasta | oh wow, he's even changed his company a bit. a publisher of sorts now. |
| 21:06.54 | f00f- | hahaha nice! |
| 21:08.44 | jasta | i worked for him a long time ago, before he started all of this. he was a great boss. |
| 21:10.30 | mihoshi | jasta: If you are asking, mine ambition is to undermine P2B model in information technologies:) |
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| 21:21.20 | convivial | Hi! |
| 21:21.20 | convivial | does anyone have any good tutorial web site, or sites? |
| 21:21.37 | f00f- | what |
| 21:21.40 | f00f- | about? |
| 21:21.47 | f00f- | www.google.com - great tutorials |
| 21:23.52 | _avatar | i'm creating a control that can optionally display a drawable as an icon. i'd like to be able to specify the drawable's name in an xml layout file, as an attribute, e.g. <view ... iconId="@drawable/icon" ... />. should i be using Resource.getIdentifier() to determine the resource ID for a drawable if I only know its name? |
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| 21:25.46 | jasta | _avatar: look at ApiDemos, they do this. |
| 21:25.52 | jasta | they have a LabelView that has some custom attributes |
| 21:26.10 | _avatar | specifying custom attributes isn't the problem, its figuring out the resource id from the attribute. |
| 21:26.30 | _avatar | or are you saying there's an example of looking up a resource id from a resource name in the api demos? |
| 21:26.34 | jasta | oh, sorry i don't know then. |
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| 21:26.45 | jasta | _avatar: no i just half read your question, sorry |
| 21:26.49 | _avatar | ah :) |
| 21:29.12 | jasta | ugh, salesmen |
| 21:29.17 | jasta | you wouldn't believe the question i just got asked |
| 21:29.37 | jasta | "which way does the CD go in? shiny side up or down?" |
| 21:29.44 | _avatar | ... |
| 21:30.30 | jasta | i don't even know who this guy is. i think he's in here for an interview today or something |
| 21:31.57 | jasta | oh my god now i just overheard him saying "sorry, i'm very technologically challenged especially when it comes to technology" |
| 21:32.53 | _avatar | that's the worst thing to be technologically challenged with.... technology. |
| 21:33.24 | jasta | he talks really slow too. maybe i shouldn't make fun, he might actually be mentally challenged hehe |
| 21:33.38 | mihoshi | _avatar: Is resource name in a string form? |
| 21:33.56 | jasta | oh wait no, he just said he's from Peachtree City, Georgia. He's not handicapped, he's just from the south. |
| 21:34.03 | _avatar | mihoshi: it is. e.g. "@drawable/icon" |
| 21:34.34 | _avatar | i tried using mContext.getResources().getIdentifier("@drawable/icon", null, null); but it always returns 0. |
| 21:34.46 | mihoshi | _avatar: You can just use reflection over R class. I did. Don't know other options... |
| 21:35.27 | _avatar | ah. hrm. that may be what I have to do. wonder what the runtime cost for something like that is. |
| 21:35.28 | jasta | i wouldn't do that |
| 21:35.35 | _avatar | may be better to just set explicity via function call |
| 21:35.38 | jasta | there is an efficient way, i'm certain of that. |
| 21:35.44 | jasta | hang on, let me look. |
| 21:35.49 | jasta | anything to get you to avoid reflection :) |
| 21:35.58 | mihoshi | jasta: Probably .getIdentifier(0, but with correct args:) |
| 21:37.09 | jasta | uhm, did you read the documentation for getIdentifier? |
| 21:37.12 | jasta | it spells it out pretty clearly |
| 21:37.20 | _avatar | yeah |
| 21:37.39 | _avatar | package:type/entry for the first parameter, second two are optional. |
| 21:38.21 | _avatar | heh, oh. i guess i need a package name? :P |
| 21:39.01 | mihoshi | And likely without @ |
| 21:39.26 | jasta | yes, it says to not use the "@" |
| 21:39.26 | _avatar | yeah, i tried it with and without the "@" without specifying a package name. |
| 21:39.52 | jasta | i would recommend using getIdentifier(null, "drawable", "icon"); |
| 21:39.53 | _avatar | does "@" mean default package name? if so perhaps i should parse it as such |
| 21:40.27 | _avatar | ugh, not "default package name" but "project package name." |
| 21:42.09 | romainguy__ | _avatar: @ means you are using a reference |
| 21:42.51 | _avatar | ok, so, getIdentifier("icon", "drawable", "my.package.name"); appeared to work |
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| 21:43.07 | jasta | err i meant "icon", "drawable", null :) |
| 21:44.34 | _avatar | romainguy__: thanks for clearing that up. i remember reading that now. |
| 21:44.58 | _avatar | at least, i think i remember reading it. *sigh* it's been a long day. |
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| 21:48.17 | jjt009 | heylo |
| 21:48.46 | jjt009 | anyone gotten logs of judge usage yet? |
| 21:49.22 | jasta | nope |
| 21:49.32 | jjt009 | jasta: you have a server? |
| 21:49.36 | jasta | yup |
| 21:49.40 | jjt009 | ok |
| 21:49.48 | jjt009 | cause i got a hit and my server crashed |
| 21:49.55 | jjt009 | i don't know if it was one of my friends or a judge |
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| 21:50.40 | jjt009 | do you know if multiple judges will rate each app? |
| 21:51.07 | jjt009 | jasta? |
| 21:51.53 | jasta | there will be a panel of 4 judges for each app |
| 21:52.01 | jasta | err, that's not what i meant :) |
| 21:52.28 | jjt009 | hmm? |
| 21:52.34 | jasta | err maybe it is, my brain isn't working well. |
| 21:53.03 | jjt009 | so there will be a panel of four judges? |
| 21:53.04 | jjt009 | ok |
| 21:53.25 | jjt009 | i'm trying to communicate with morrill |
| 21:53.31 | jjt009 | he's pretty hard to reach |
| 21:53.32 | jasta | the judges will be split into panels of 4, and then the etnries distributed into those panels |
| 21:53.39 | jasta | so every app will be reviewed by only 4 of the 100 judges. |
| 21:53.50 | jjt009 | right |
| 21:53.59 | jjt009 | any suggestions on how to reach dmorrill |
| 21:54.00 | jjt009 | ? |
| 21:55.55 | jasta | and each panel will only have like 100 apps. or whatever the math works out to be. |
| 21:56.06 | jasta | i am in his same time zone, so i have no problem reaching him :) |
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| 21:56.38 | jasta | but you can try e-mailing him. i suspect his address is morrildl@google.com though i don't know that for sure. |
| 21:56.42 | jasta | you may be able to find it with some sluething ;) |
| 21:57.51 | duey | :| |
| 21:57.59 | jasta | i'm wanting to see the list of judges. they are set to announce who they are. |
| 21:58.04 | jasta | duey: ? |
| 21:58.34 | jjt009 | i'm in is his time zone as well |
| 21:58.39 | jjt009 | i live in san jose, ca |
| 21:58.40 | duey | lol |
| 21:58.47 | jjt009 | you living in CA? |
| 21:58.57 | jasta | no, just his same timezone :) |
| 21:59.06 | jjt009 | what state are you in? |
| 21:59.13 | jasta | WA |
| 21:59.21 | jjt009 | awesome |
| 21:59.32 | jasta | yes, completely :) |
| 21:59.36 | jjt009 | so at what times is he usually available? |
| 21:59.43 | jjt009 | starbucks headquarters |
| 22:03.38 | jjt009 | jasta: you still here? |
| 22:03.52 | jjt009 | i'm trying to send a pm to dan right now |
| 22:03.59 | jjt009 | he's not responding |
| 22:09.13 | jjt009 | jasta: quick question |
| 22:09.26 | jjt009 | do you think all of the judges will review the app on the same day? |
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| 22:19.11 | jjt009 | anyone here? |
| 22:19.21 | jjt009 | patoche: hello |
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| 22:27.39 | jjt009 | borism: hello |
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| 22:34.05 | borism | aloha |
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| 23:24.20 | mihoshi | Does String.intern() take O(n) or O (log n) time? |
| 23:29.32 | vol | hello |
| 23:37.11 | vol | I'd guess O(n) |
| 23:40.10 | f00f- | does it matter? |
| 23:40.20 | f00f- | jjt009: no |
| 23:40.22 | f00f- | they wont |
| 23:40.25 | f00f- | review on the same day |
| 23:40.32 | f00f- | they got a bit less than 2 weeks left |
| 23:40.38 | f00f- | 1.5 i'd say |
| 23:40.56 | f00f- | checks access_log yet again |
| 23:41.24 | f00f- | nothing. |
| 23:42.47 | jjt009 | f00f: that's weird, because i think i got a judge today |
| 23:42.58 | jjt009 | my server crashed, anyway |
| 23:43.01 | jjt009 | maybe it was one of my friends |
| 23:43.31 | f00f- | i hope my shit wasnt disqual'd |
| 23:43.40 | f00f- | did you reverse the ip? |
| 23:44.14 | jjt009 | f00f: huh? |
| 23:44.24 | f00f- | to verify where it came from |
| 23:44.27 | f00f- | your buddy or a judge |
| 23:44.34 | jjt009 | how do i do that? |
| 23:44.42 | f00f- | dig -x <ip> |
| 23:44.45 | f00f- | reverse DNS it |
| 23:44.48 | f00f- | do a trace to it |
| 23:44.49 | jjt009 | ah ok |
| 23:44.54 | jjt009 | one sec |
| 23:44.56 | f00f- | or even just plug it into whois |
| 23:45.02 | jjt009 | right |
| 23:45.04 | jjt009 | let me try |
| 23:45.18 | f00f- | although i believe some judges will be doing stuff from home |
| 23:46.51 | jjt009 | you using eclipse? |
| 23:47.26 | jjt009 | i started a new server after the old one crashed and i'm not sure exactly where to find the terminated console outputs |
| 23:47.37 | f00f- | yeah |
| 23:47.45 | f00f- | oh i dont use eclipse for servers |
| 23:48.05 | jjt009 | ok, you know where to find terminated console output? |
| 23:49.51 | f00f- | ... in the Console tab ? |
| 23:49.54 | f00f- | sorry i don't know |
| 23:50.00 | jjt009 | yeah, it's not there |
| 23:50.08 | f00f- | perhaps there is a log file in your workspace somewhere |
| 23:50.17 | jjt009 | yeah, i'll look through it |
| 23:51.06 | jjt009 | nope nothing |
| 23:51.39 | jjt009 | and i don't have my router set up for logging |
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| 23:59.27 | benley | http://www.intomobile.com/2008/04/23/t-mobile-usa-confirms-theyll-offer-android-device-by-year-end.html |
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| 23:59.41 | benley | (old news?) |