| 00:00.07 | f00f- | year end |
| 00:00.08 | f00f- | heh |
| 00:00.13 | f00f- | who's coming out with it year end |
| 00:00.28 | f00f- | 2009Q1 first |
| 00:00.42 | benley | why do you say that? |
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| 00:10.58 | jjt009 | anyone want to test my app? |
| 00:12.02 | jjt009 | f00f: u? |
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| 00:12.41 | jjt009 | Kraln: hi |
| 00:13.25 | Kraln | hi |
| 00:14.39 | jjt009 | would you like to test my app? |
| 00:14.48 | Kraln | my sdk actually got erased in a system crash |
| 00:14.51 | Kraln | so, while I would, I can't |
| 00:15.03 | jjt009 | thanks for your help and sarcasm |
| 00:15.13 | Kraln | I'm entirely serious |
| 00:15.17 | Kraln | I just recovered my laptop |
| 00:15.26 | Kraln | and the sdk was in teh downloads folder, which I don't back up |
| 00:15.48 | jjt009 | you can just tell me you don't want to |
| 00:16.30 | Kraln | but that would be lying. |
| 00:16.48 | jjt009 | dude, i tested out androidchat for you |
| 00:17.05 | Kraln | dude. the android sdk is not on this machine right now |
| 00:17.15 | jjt009 | hahahahhahah |
| 00:17.20 | jjt009 | ok i believe you |
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| 00:19.34 | f00f- | link to your app jjt009 |
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| 00:22.26 | jjt009 | one sec |
| 00:22.54 | f00f- | notr .apk |
| 00:22.56 | f00f- | just description |
| 00:30.13 | jjt009 | f00f: one sec |
| 00:30.25 | jjt009 | let me get a link to the app |
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| 00:48.05 | jjt009 | poffy: hello |
| 00:48.10 | jjt009 | poffy: how are things going |
| 00:48.37 | jjt009 | anyone here want to test out my android application |
| 00:49.18 | f00f- | not really |
| 00:49.28 | poffy__ | Hullo |
| 00:49.44 | f00f- | poffy: kraln just lost all your code |
| 00:50.07 | poffy | It should be on google code... |
| 00:50.23 | jjt009 | f00f: it'll only take 1 minute |
| 00:50.32 | jjt009 | i just need to see if my networking works |
| 00:50.34 | f00f- | i'll give you a year |
| 00:50.37 | f00f- | -) |
| 00:50.56 | jjt009 | seriously? thanks |
| 00:51.00 | jjt009 | lolz |
| 00:52.02 | jjt009 | f00f: i can test yours |
| 00:52.27 | f00f- | when it comes out, definitley. |
| 00:52.53 | jjt009 | :) |
| 00:52.55 | jjt009 | hahah |
| 00:53.13 | jjt009 | so have you had anyone test it for you? |
| 00:58.38 | f00f- | not professionals |
| 00:58.41 | f00f- | just people on my team |
| 00:58.53 | f00f- | i dont have any UX/UI people |
| 00:59.03 | jjt009 | what did you make |
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| 01:02.18 | f00f- | pednav |
| 01:17.36 | jasta | jjt009: can't you tell if networking works? |
| 01:18.30 | jasta | f00f-: so, what do you suppose are the odds that someone submitted an app for rc14 that exploits the image handling buffer overflow and hijacks the host machine |
| 01:18.39 | jasta | potentially altering the judging process hehe |
| 01:18.49 | jasta | i thought about it, for the record. |
| 01:19.40 | f00f- | jasta: to be honest i think they'll just run it on rc15 and only run it on rc14 if there are issues. |
| 01:19.54 | f00f- | since that's the only diference, the bug fix. right? |
| 01:20.14 | jasta | yeah |
| 01:20.24 | jasta | i dunno though, the process is heavily automated |
| 01:20.58 | f00f- | do you think they'll -wipe-data after each entry judged? |
| 01:21.20 | jasta | yes, i know they will |
| 01:22.01 | jasta | i mean, morrildl said so :) |
| 01:22.47 | f00f- | hehe |
| 01:22.57 | f00f- | i haven't received any hits to my web server |
| 01:23.02 | f00f- | i wonder if the judges are slacking |
| 01:23.06 | jasta | me neitherd |
| 01:23.08 | jasta | neither* |
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| 01:31.13 | jjt009 | zhobbs: ehlo |
| 01:31.28 | zhobbs | hello |
| 01:31.44 | jjt009 | do know if the judges have started |
| 01:32.28 | zhobbs | no idea, I wonder how many apps each judge has to review |
| 01:32.49 | zhobbs | cause may 5th is sneaking up |
| 01:33.00 | f00f- | 60 tops |
| 01:33.05 | f00f- | or so |
| 01:33.15 | jjt009 | f00f: you know how i could contact morrill? |
| 01:33.19 | jjt009 | he's pretty hard to reach |
| 01:33.25 | jjt009 | he's not responding right now |
| 01:33.32 | f00f- | he's probably busy |
| 01:33.34 | f00f- | just leave him a msg |
| 01:34.12 | zhobbs | f00f-: you could email him, his email address is on mailing list |
| 01:34.23 | zhobbs | probably gets lots of emeails though |
| 01:34.27 | f00f- | i dont need to zhobbs |
| 01:34.38 | zhobbs | oh, jjt009 then :) |
| 01:36.07 | jjt009 | ya, i've sent him an email |
| 01:42.30 | zhobbs | jasta: still no demo video? |
| 01:45.02 | jasta | no i suck |
| 01:45.15 | jasta | i've just been too lazy :) |
| 01:45.16 | zhobbs | ha |
| 01:45.22 | zhobbs | yeah, understandable |
| 01:45.51 | jasta | i still want to make onei just simply haven't |
| 01:46.11 | f00f- | i thought of porting my android app to Java ME yesterday |
| 01:46.28 | f00f- | i installed latest J2ME Polish then just kind of stopped. |
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| 01:47.29 | jasta | i don't intend to port my app anywhere. if it becomes popular, i hope others will do it for me. |
| 01:47.34 | zhobbs | I'm developing a windows mobile app at work and it makes me realize that android is pretty nice |
| 01:47.36 | jasta | if it doesn't, then it apparently isn't cool enough to justify ports anyway |
| 01:47.53 | jasta | windows mobile is miserable :) |
| 01:48.04 | f00f- | a bit different for commercial folks |
| 01:48.06 | jasta | it's better to write the apps in C++ |
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| 02:16.02 | jasta | zhobbs: otoh, i've got inotify support in the server now ;) |
| 02:16.05 | jasta | that's a pretty big step |
| 02:16.28 | jasta | at this point, it's only major deficiency is that it doesn't have a UI |
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| 05:00.37 | jasta | you've gotta be kidding me |
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| 05:01.21 | f00f- | heh |
| 05:01.46 | jasta | taglib opens the file in write mode always, so i enter an infinte loop trying to process files because my hook is to check for changes on IN_CLOSE_WRITE |
| 05:02.00 | jasta | llllaaaammmeee |
| 05:07.17 | f00f- | sux! |
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| 05:16.37 | jasta | my only options seem to be patch taglib or check for IN_MODIFY and flag that for IN_CLOSR_WRITE |
| 05:16.43 | jasta | which would be very inefficient :\ |
| 05:21.06 | f00f- | hm |
| 05:21.23 | f00f- | i am thinking of using a workflow-enabled CMS |
| 05:21.35 | f00f- | i have my own XML/XSL system but it's not advanced |
| 05:21.43 | f00f- | i'm thinking of evaluating Bricolage |
| 05:21.51 | f00f- | looks nice, web server agnostic so it seems |
| 05:22.02 | muthu | which platform? |
| 05:22.03 | f00f- | i like automatic static content generation |
| 05:22.14 | f00f- | well linux will be the host, etc. |
| 05:22.28 | muthu | ok |
| 05:22.46 | f00f- | since i need other people to be able to add content easily |
| 05:22.56 | f00f- | news/press releases, pages, etc. |
| 05:23.01 | f00f- | and be formatted correctly :) |
| 05:23.14 | muthu | yeah formatting matters |
| 05:23.33 | f00f- | i looked at Apache Lenya before |
| 05:23.37 | f00f- | but it's pretty heavy |
| 05:23.46 | muthu | hmm.. any php based? |
| 05:23.54 | f00f- | not sure |
| 05:24.00 | f00f- | i'm trying to stay away from dynamic ones |
| 05:24.06 | muthu | oh ok |
| 05:24.09 | f00f- | people like Drupal a lot |
| 05:24.11 | f00f- | which is php |
| 05:24.14 | muthu | right |
| 05:25.58 | f00f- | oh wow |
| 05:26.04 | f00f- | About.com created Bricolage! |
| 05:26.11 | f00f- | and they know a thing or two about CMS :) |
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| 05:29.07 | f00f- | ah damn |
| 05:29.12 | jjt009 | hmm |
| 05:29.13 | jjt009 | ? |
| 05:29.13 | f00f- | only supports postgresql |
| 05:29.18 | f00f- | and they claim it doesnt run on apache2? wtf? |
| 05:29.57 | f00f- | just great |
| 05:30.02 | f00f- | this whole thing is written for mod_perl |
| 05:30.14 | f00f- | see |
| 05:30.17 | jasta | porting from mod_perl to mod_perl2 isn't that hard |
| 05:30.21 | jasta | i wonder why they wouldn't have done it? |
| 05:30.27 | f00f- | a great product otherwise, except these little things make it unpopular |
| 05:30.32 | jasta | it's barely any effort at all. changing a fe wnames here and there. |
| 05:30.58 | f00f- | last release was march 14th, so project isn't dead at least |
| 05:32.32 | f00f- | jasta: perhaps they have support in apache2 :) |
| 05:32.41 | f00f- | they probably neglected to update the website |
| 05:34.29 | jasta | it's some effort, but not much. not that much semantics changed, really. mostly just straight forward improvements too. |
| 05:35.05 | f00f- | i'm really bummed at no mysql support though :/ |
| 05:35.52 | f00f- | but seeing as it's only a content management (and not delivery) system, i can see setting up pgsql just for this |
| 05:36.16 | f00f- | since it won't be a dealbreaker if it goes down... |
| 05:36.20 | muthu | pgsql should be fine |
| 05:36.22 | f00f- | all stuff is persisted to the fs and any changes |
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| 05:40.31 | f00f- | rofl |
| 05:40.43 | f00f- | their quickstart installation for the impatient is 600 lines of text long |
| 05:41.06 | muthu | hmm.. then must he really good |
| 05:41.13 | muthu | *be |
| 05:42.17 | f00f- | downloading the vmware image to evaluate it |
| 05:42.18 | duey | that guy complaining about iphone sdk annoys me |
| 05:42.23 | f00f- | dont want to waste my time for now |
| 05:42.24 | duey | talk about lazy |
| 05:42.53 | muthu | who? |
| 05:43.01 | duey | you rpelied to it |
| 05:44.03 | muthu | oh yeah |
| 05:44.26 | muthu | he has a nice app - pocketjourney |
| 05:44.49 | raidfive | looks like judges have started messing with my app :) |
| 05:45.00 | duey | raidfive, it could be just the testers |
| 05:45.13 | raidfive | true |
| 05:45.25 | muthu | I'm curious which of the Android applications you've peeked at you thought were the most interesting and also which ones you thought did the most to capture the promise of the operating system. |
| 05:45.35 | muthu | any takers? |
| 05:45.51 | duey | none |
| 05:45.56 | muthu | hehe |
| 05:45.58 | duey | :P |
| 05:46.03 | duey | jastas is neat |
| 05:46.09 | duey | i haven't really had a good look |
| 05:46.10 | muthu | most interesting - enkin |
| 05:46.11 | duey | been far tobusy |
| 05:46.19 | f00f- | enkin definitely is up there |
| 05:46.24 | f00f- | that impressed me th emost so far |
| 05:46.26 | muthu | most promising - commandro |
| 05:46.31 | f00f- | but they've been at it for years |
| 05:46.36 | muthu | right |
| 05:46.39 | duey | i liked calculator |
| 05:47.01 | muthu | some real nice utils were submitted |
| 05:47.44 | muthu | jasta: since you don't like enkin |
| 05:47.53 | muthu | what's your most intersting and promising app? |
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| 05:50.28 | jasta | duey's, so far |
| 05:51.14 | jasta | hehe, i wrote that before i read that he commented on mine actually :) |
| 05:51.47 | duey | haha |
| 05:52.06 | duey | enkin looks neat |
| 05:52.10 | jasta | i also really liked this one i saw last week which was basically a way to organize a community around folks taking similar classes in college |
| 05:52.11 | duey | might of been over done though |
| 05:52.44 | jasta | but i can't remember all of what it did or anything hehe |
| 05:53.08 | jasta | muthu: i'm just concentrating on practical things that i think people will find a use for. that aren't just new for the sake of being new. |
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| 05:59.12 | muthu | yup, the college apps were neat |
| 06:01.29 | pandora-- | hey hey guys |
| 06:02.54 | muthu | pandora--: mornin |
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| 06:28.23 | muthu | http://www.parallelkingdom.com/ |
| 06:28.28 | muthu | that is going to be HUGE |
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| 06:34.06 | muthu | wow enkin! |
| 06:34.38 | muthu | love those guys |
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| 06:57.11 | pandora-- | muthu: I love the idea with that |
| 06:57.26 | muthu | oh yes |
| 06:58.01 | muthu | and the kind of work they have done is amazing - hardware + software |
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| 07:05.45 | f00f- | ok so bricolage might be too advanced for what i need |
| 07:05.46 | f00f- | :/ |
| 07:09.38 | muthu | what about the about.com thingy |
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| 08:53.05 | davidw | sheez is ant ugly |
| 08:53.19 | muthu | butt ugly! |
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| 11:03.35 | muthu | Kraln: hey buddy |
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| 11:36.57 | Hai-Fai | any news according to andy phone? |
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| 12:45.44 | papick | hi |
| 12:45.48 | papick | anyone here? |
| 12:45.55 | muthu | papick: hi |
| 12:46.04 | papick | hi |
| 12:46.11 | papick | running android first time on myc |
| 12:46.12 | papick | mac |
| 12:46.35 | muthu | what's the problem? |
| 12:46.43 | papick | I am not getting adb shell to understand my statements |
| 12:46.46 | papick | I get the shell |
| 12:46.50 | papick | I type in the command |
| 12:46.57 | papick | nothing happens |
| 12:47.05 | papick | .help |
| 12:47.07 | papick | .help; |
| 12:47.09 | papick | nothing |
| 12:47.18 | Hai-Fai | adb shell = linux terminal |
| 12:47.23 | Hai-Fai | nothing more |
| 12:47.40 | ligi | papick: e.g. type ls |
| 12:47.44 | muthu | adb shell help is in the sdk docs |
| 12:48.01 | ligi | muthu: but not .help - or am i wrong |
| 12:48.08 | ligi | muthu: hi btw ;-) |
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| 12:48.17 | Dougie187 | Good Morning everyone |
| 12:48.23 | muthu | ligi: hi |
| 12:48.26 | papick | I am trying adb shell sqlite3 ... |
| 12:48.36 | ligi | Dougie187: good evening |
| 12:48.39 | muthu | Dougie187: good evening |
| 12:48.42 | papick | goog afternoon |
| 12:48.44 | papick | good |
| 12:48.53 | Dougie187 | Heh |
| 12:48.58 | papick | I want to set proxy settings into the db |
| 12:49.01 | Dougie187 | How is everyone doing so far? |
| 12:49.16 | muthu | we were being quiet |
| 12:49.41 | Dougie187 | eh it happens. |
| 12:49.51 | papick | http://openhandsetmagazine.com/2007/11/tips-howto-connect-android-emulator-behind-proxy/ |
| 12:49.52 | ligi | papick: when params then escape via " " |
| 12:49.52 | muthu | after phase1 its been quiet |
| 12:49.57 | papick | thats what I am trying |
| 12:49.58 | Dougie187 | the new ubuntu is supposed to come out today. |
| 12:50.08 | muthu | what version? |
| 12:50.22 | Dougie187 | 8.04 |
| 12:50.28 | Dougie187 | Hardy |
| 12:50.44 | muthu | is it worth to upgrade? |
| 12:51.01 | Dougie187 | im not sure yet. |
| 12:51.07 | Dougie187 | ill let you know after i upgrade |
| 12:51.14 | muthu | thx |
| 12:51.23 | muthu | no hurry |
| 12:51.24 | papick | ligi: what params? |
| 12:51.29 | muthu | since i'm using FC8 :-) |
| 12:51.34 | ligi | papick: sqlite3 ... |
| 12:51.40 | ligi | papick: the ... part |
| 12:51.52 | papick | ligi: I did, nothing happens either |
| 12:52.02 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 12:52.04 | papick | the shell starts |
| 12:52.09 | Dougie187 | FC8 isnt bad at all. |
| 12:52.11 | muthu | papick: give it the db name |
| 12:52.13 | papick | I can type .help, as suggested |
| 12:52.17 | Dougie187 | i have some of those at work and they are good |
| 12:52.19 | muthu | FC8 is fine |
| 12:52.22 | Dougie187 | way better then FC5 |
| 12:52.25 | Dougie187 | or FC4 |
| 12:52.27 | muthu | not sure how it compares with Ubuntu |
| 12:52.36 | Dougie187 | me either anymore. |
| 12:52.37 | muthu | it was so close for me |
| 12:52.41 | papick | adb shell "sqlite3" "/data/data/com.google.android.providers.settings/databases/settings.db" |
| 12:52.46 | papick | this wors |
| 12:52.48 | muthu | 2 yrs back eval'd FC6 and Ubuntu |
| 12:52.49 | papick | works |
| 12:52.51 | Dougie187 | but i have used ubuntu since FC4 or FC5 because FC didnt have wifi |
| 12:52.52 | papick | I get the shell |
| 12:53.21 | muthu | Dougie187: right, am not using wifi |
| 12:53.32 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 12:53.35 | muthu | may be that's why i'm not bothered |
| 12:53.37 | Dougie187 | that was the hitch for me |
| 12:53.37 | Dougie187 | oh |
| 12:53.42 | Dougie187 | any my wacom stuff |
| 12:53.44 | papick | but any sql statement I enter, any command, it carriage returns but nothing more |
| 12:53.51 | Dougie187 | i have a tablet and it worked out of the box in ubuntu |
| 12:54.01 | muthu | yeah i heard that |
| 12:54.21 | muthu | ubuntu just works - like windows |
| 12:54.38 | muthu | FC might need some tweaking for hardware |
| 12:54.57 | Dougie187 | yeah |
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| 13:01.14 | Hai-Fai | [15:54:21 ] < muthu>ubuntu just works - like windows <-- I'm not sure to cry or what.. when Windows did start to work? |
| 13:01.26 | muthu | lol |
| 13:01.41 | muthu | i mean plug n play |
| 13:01.47 | Hai-Fai | plug n pray |
| 13:01.51 | muthu | haha |
| 13:01.56 | Dougie187 | ubuntu is out now. |
| 13:02.05 | muthu | breaking!! |
| 13:02.18 | Hai-Fai | I didn't like their way to create stuff, tried in on version 5.04 or similiar |
| 13:02.52 | muthu | majority are using either ubuntu or FC |
| 13:03.00 | Hai-Fai | I've been using debian since 3.0 as my primary os, windows is on dualboot but I just boot to update it once a month or so :) |
| 13:03.16 | muthu | ah, couldn't resist updating windows huh |
| 13:03.33 | Hai-Fai | hah |
| 13:03.53 | Hai-Fai | just have to see if something great appears, but nothing so far =) |
| 13:04.10 | Hai-Fai | might be sp3 helps something out, but dunnoh if it's so |
| 13:04.47 | muthu | you on vista? |
| 13:06.54 | Hai-Fai | me? |
| 13:07.12 | muthu | yes |
| 13:07.19 | Hai-Fai | meaning? have I tried it or am I using it? |
| 13:07.29 | muthu | your windows? |
| 13:07.37 | Hai-Fai | xp (sp3 on next week) |
| 13:07.37 | muthu | is it xp or vista? |
| 13:07.40 | muthu | ok |
| 13:07.57 | Hai-Fai | but like I told, once a month only for updating virusdatabase etc. =) |
| 13:08.22 | muthu | got it |
| 13:09.01 | Hai-Fai | nice ;) |
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| 13:09.17 | Hai-Fai | running any new projects on andy? |
| 13:20.45 | Lede | tried |
| 13:21.05 | Lede | but ill just wait for the results to come in |
| 13:21.45 | Lede | so i can either continue that what i started or start something else |
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| 13:23.04 | muthu | Lede: what's the other option? |
| 13:24.16 | Hai-Fai | to start a new project and have a GREAT software @ autumn =) |
| 13:25.45 | Lede | muthu: rob a bank |
| 13:25.57 | muthu | Android does that? ;) |
| 13:26.02 | Lede | it will! |
| 13:26.03 | Hai-Fai | possibly |
| 13:26.23 | Hai-Fai | have to find out some rfid examples =P |
| 13:28.11 | muthu | if someone submitted that how would the judges react? |
| 13:28.21 | muthu | hehe |
| 13:28.32 | Dougie187 | lol they would use it |
| 13:28.36 | muthu | lol |
| 13:28.38 | Dougie187 | and then disqualify the submitter |
| 13:28.39 | muthu | exactly! |
| 13:28.53 | muthu | judges are missing.. |
| 13:29.13 | Dougie187 | do you guys find out who the judges are? |
| 13:29.22 | muthu | no |
| 13:29.32 | muthu | its classified |
| 13:29.37 | Dougie187 | bust |
| 13:33.02 | Lede | i bet they look like the judges in final fantasy xii |
| 13:33.14 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 13:34.58 | muthu | Apple ships 2.29 million Macs; Enterprises eye iPhone - http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8592&tag=nl.e539 |
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| 13:35.42 | Lede | yeah i read that |
| 13:36.07 | Lede | what i wonder is what caused this |
| 13:36.19 | muthu | marketing |
| 13:36.27 | Lede | or vista? |
| 13:36.34 | muthu | hehe |
| 13:36.40 | muthu | yeah its vista |
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| 13:47.12 | muthu | 1. Enkin |
| 13:47.15 | muthu | 2. Commandro |
| 13:47.20 | muthu | 3. ParallelKingdom |
| 13:47.37 | ligi | muthu: are teh winners out now? |
| 13:47.49 | muthu | ligi: they're my top 3 |
| 13:49.01 | Lede | i saw this really fake and not fun game once |
| 13:49.05 | Lede | i forgot the name |
| 13:49.23 | Lede | it was like this first person shooter with your camera or something |
| 13:49.54 | Lede | everything else i have seen was pretty good |
| 13:53.16 | muthu | wifiarmy? |
| 13:54.24 | Lede | yeah that one |
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| 14:27.06 | muthu | any news on the SDK release? |
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| 14:27.56 | muthu | morrildl: Apr 25 is a nice date.. if you are waiting for good times to release ;) |
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| 14:34.49 | muthu | morrildl: when's the next SDK coming? |
| 14:34.53 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 14:34.59 | Dougie187 | someones a bit impatient |
| 14:35.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am too |
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| 14:35.30 | muthu | that would freshen up the droids |
| 14:35.51 | muthu | couldn't believe the google folks are waiting on it |
| 14:36.23 | muthu | YO MO JO |
| 14:39.04 | muthu | Here's 10 tips for Android developers to become productive - http://www.helloandroid.com/node/519 |
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| 14:42.19 | edcba | muthu: what if you don't have svn :) |
| 14:42.29 | muthu | then cvs it ;) |
| 14:43.01 | muthu | if you really don't have version control, hope you are using linux! |
| 14:43.44 | muthu | and hope you never use 'rm -rf *' !! |
| 14:43.59 | edcba | no just rm -rf /* |
| 14:44.02 | edcba | more efficient |
| 14:44.08 | muthu | lol |
| 14:44.12 | muthu | you are safe then |
| 14:44.44 | muthu | edcba: at what point did you tell yourself enough is enough :) |
| 14:44.49 | edcba | but i don't see how checking code into svn boosts your productivity |
| 14:45.06 | muthu | it will over time |
| 14:45.10 | davidw | edcba, by not having to rewrite your code when you screw up |
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| 14:45.21 | muthu | exactly |
| 14:45.37 | edcba | i never screw up ;) |
| 14:45.37 | davidw | or by not having to try and remember what the hell the code looked like last week when it actually worked, before you embarked on a big change that you now realize was wrong |
| 14:46.03 | muthu | yes, developers cannot live without version control |
| 14:46.11 | edcba | i always check in before doing major changes :) |
| 14:46.22 | muthu | yeah we know |
| 14:46.40 | muthu | edcba: at what point did you tell yourself enough is enough? |
| 14:47.00 | muthu | this is a puzzle for you to solve |
| 14:47.01 | edcba | enough of ? |
| 14:47.05 | muthu | and answer me correctly |
| 14:47.07 | edcba | hmm ok |
| 14:47.10 | edcba | wait |
| 14:47.38 | muthu | take your time.. tick tick tick.... |
| 14:48.16 | edcba | i think i already read that puzzle but don't remember :/ |
| 14:48.42 | muthu | its only for you |
| 14:49.04 | muthu | only you know the answer |
| 14:49.53 | edcba | no i don't see |
| 14:50.11 | muthu | its about your nick |
| 14:50.14 | muthu | haha |
| 14:50.38 | muthu | you could've gone the distance |
| 14:50.38 | edcba | yes i supposed that but F point doesn't seems a good awnser to me |
| 14:50.44 | muthu | lol |
| 14:51.24 | edcba | in fact |
| 14:51.38 | edcba | when the symmetry broke |
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| 14:52.06 | muthu | wow |
| 14:52.11 | muthu | i can see that.. |
| 14:52.26 | muthu | you are a genius! |
| 14:52.46 | edcba | i originally planned abcde but it has been taken then thinking a bit more i took edcba since i like reversing |
| 14:53.14 | muthu | this is a good lesson to learn |
| 14:53.22 | edcba | futhermore abcde & edcba are not well indexed by search engines |
| 14:53.44 | muthu | so you can stay anon |
| 14:54.04 | edcba | so it was really a thought nickname |
| 14:54.21 | muthu | no kidding |
| 15:10.50 | Kraln | muthu: hi. |
| 15:10.58 | muthu | hi |
| 15:11.31 | muthu | i think you gave more disk space.. thx |
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| 15:19.21 | jasta | my nick came from that i used to drink a lot of josta cola when i was 12 |
| 15:19.50 | muthu | how many? |
| 15:20.53 | jasta | what? |
| 15:21.10 | Lede | over 9000 |
| 15:22.46 | muthu | kola? |
| 15:25.30 | jasta | what are you talking about? |
| 15:26.37 | Dougie187 | how many colas did you drink? |
| 15:26.48 | Dougie187 | i believe is the question he was asking |
| 15:27.02 | muthu | correct. |
| 15:30.03 | jasta | i dont drink soda anymore |
| 15:30.18 | Dougie187 | back when you were 12 |
| 15:30.21 | Dougie187 | and you got the nickname. |
| 15:30.28 | Dougie187 | thus continuing your discussion above. |
| 15:30.33 | muthu | lol |
| 15:30.33 | Dougie187 | about how you drank a lot of soda |
| 15:30.44 | muthu | jasta needs an interpreter |
| 15:30.53 | Dougie187 | yes |
| 15:30.54 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:31.14 | Dougie187 | hes use to python |
| 15:31.16 | Dougie187 | and ruby |
| 15:31.25 | muthu | haha |
| 15:31.34 | muthu | perl |
| 15:31.35 | muthu | lol |
| 15:31.55 | Kraln | or erlang. |
| 15:32.02 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 15:33.23 | poffy | Erlang <3 |
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| 15:52.13 | mihoshi | needs interpreter too... |
| 15:58.36 | jasta | well how the hell can I answer the question you intended to ask? |
| 15:58.39 | jasta | it makes no sense |
| 16:02.31 | Dougie187 | lol... what? |
| 16:02.57 | Dougie187 | how does it not make sense? |
| 16:08.36 | vol | Here's a question. I use setContentView(int) to inflate my main view, then later I use setContentView(view) to set a custom view (A ListView). I want to, when selecting an item in the listview, to return to the original view without going through the trouble of inflating it again. Is there a way to get a reference to the current view to store it for later? |
| 16:09.09 | vol | inflating it, setting member references + listeners, etc. |
| 16:09.45 | vol | The android tutorial launches a seperate activity just to do this, but frankly this feels rather heavyweight for what is a simple dialog. |
| 16:11.41 | romainguy | there are advantages to launch a sub activity |
| 16:11.54 | romainguy | for instance, the user is able to press back to return to the previous screen |
| 16:12.05 | vol | I suppose this is true. |
| 16:12.36 | vol | though this is something I've been looking at for a while in any event |
| 16:12.36 | romainguy | and the only way to get a reference to the view you set with setcontentview is to use findViewById |
| 16:12.44 | vol | ah, good idea. |
| 16:12.45 | romainguy | tis means your inflated view must have an id though |
| 16:12.51 | vol | hadn't thought of that |
| 16:13.09 | vol | thanks! |
| 16:13.09 | romainguy | but you should just use a subactivity |
| 16:13.18 | vol | ok, I think I will. |
| 16:13.28 | vol | it should make my code a little cleaner too |
| 16:19.04 | jasta | morning romain |
| 16:19.12 | romainguy | hi |
| 16:19.49 | jasta | i wrote a little tool for Windows Mobile that uses my real media server to test realistic performance of the system on actual hardware |
| 16:20.10 | jasta | hehe, works even better than i expected :) |
| 16:20.48 | jasta | it looks like the buffer time is about 2-3 seconds on my 3G windows mobile phone :) |
| 16:21.56 | Kraln | that's usable |
| 16:22.11 | Dougie187 | sounds pretty sweet |
| 16:22.21 | romainguy | you just need to test how long the phone can stay up while doing this :p |
| 16:22.30 | jasta | romainguy: hehe, yes, yes ;) |
| 16:22.55 | jasta | i'm hoping that for most users, the common case after much usage will be to load media from the storage card |
| 16:23.00 | jasta | so the battery drain wouldn't be too insane |
| 16:23.14 | Kraln | decoding video or audio is a pretty big drain |
| 16:23.28 | Kraln | regardless of storage |
| 16:23.38 | jasta | yes, but the wireless radio is a bigger drain |
| 16:24.14 | Kraln | cpu pegged at 100% strikes me as a larger drain than the transmitter |
| 16:25.04 | jasta | in my tests with the emulator, simply decoding music has used between 20-30% cpu inside the emulator. |
| 16:25.28 | jasta | simply downloading content and storing it to the card currently uses 100% cpu, though that strikes me as a problem with the emulator. |
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| 16:31.38 | jasta | Kraln: i mean, the iPhone claims something really high like 24 hours of audio playback |
| 16:31.42 | jasta | with a talk time of 8 hours |
| 16:31.51 | jasta | which tells me decoding audio is very light on the hardware indeed |
| 16:31.55 | Kraln | that's because the iphone mp3 player has two arm chips dedicated to decoding mp3. |
| 16:32.00 | jasta | especially compared to the gsm radio |
| 16:32.04 | Kraln | and the mp3 decoder is written in assembly |
| 16:32.09 | Kraln | and optimized for the two arm cores |
| 16:32.25 | Kraln | what are you using to play the music for android? native calls - or? |
| 16:32.31 | jasta | and does that seem unreasonable for android to do? |
| 16:33.04 | jasta | i am using the MediaPlayer, of course, which is a native so on the Android stack. |
| 16:33.07 | Kraln | jasta: not unreasonable, but android devices are 'phones first' which would lead me to believe they are mostly SoC solutions which would not have a separate coprocessor for audio decoding |
| 16:33.10 | jasta | presumably written in C or C++ |
| 16:33.29 | Kraln | or, that most of them are |
| 16:33.30 | jasta | what makes you think they're "phones first"? |
| 16:34.04 | Kraln | what makes you think they're going to include hardware on every android based phone to lengthen battery time when decoding media? |
| 16:34.13 | Dougie187 | even if they are "phones first" though, that doesn't mean they it couldnt have a coprocessor. |
| 16:34.22 | Dougie187 | it might not be on all hardware. |
| 16:34.27 | Dougie187 | it could just be on some. |
| 16:34.36 | Kraln | that's what I'm saying |
| 16:34.49 | jasta | Kraln: if media playback is a desirable consumer feature to sell phones, then manufacturers, chipmakers, and developers are likely to respond to that. |
| 16:34.50 | Kraln | (good) mp3 decoding is particularly expensive |
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| 16:35.09 | Kraln | I mean, you can do integer mp3 decoding, but it sounds off. |
| 16:35.17 | Dougie187 | It might not be on all phones. it might just be on the more expensive ones. |
| 16:35.23 | Kraln | anyway, I have to run for a bit |
| 16:35.27 | Kraln | I'll be back |
| 16:35.31 | jasta | Dougie187: which would be perfectly fine, i'd think. |
| 16:35.41 | jasta | consumers can appreciate that some phones will run certain programs better than others. |
| 16:35.42 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 16:35.44 | Dougie187 | totally. |
| 16:35.48 | jasta | especially since marketting forces them to understand that. |
| 16:35.53 | Dougie187 | not everyone is going to want to use your app anyways. |
| 16:35.56 | jasta | one phone gets marketted as a media jukebox, the other doesn't. |
| 16:36.13 | jasta | Dougie187: Exactly |
| 16:36.28 | jasta | i think the market will show adequate support for my application, at any rate. |
| 16:37.15 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 16:37.25 | Dougie187 | i mean everyone is not going to use every app that comes out of the GDC |
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| 16:37.48 | Dougie187 | and some apps might require more expensive hardware to preform efficiently. |
| 16:37.55 | michaelnovakjr__ | ADC** |
| 16:38.31 | jasta | also the nice thing about my app is that most people wouldn't really need to listen to music for such an extended duration that they'd drain a full battery. my guess is that prolonged listening like on a long drive you'd just plug it into your car's battery. |
| 16:38.41 | jasta | i mean, i have to do that with my iPod right now anyway |
| 16:38.48 | Dougie187 | sorry. ADC |
| 16:39.28 | Dougie187 | i hope someone has a teathering app |
| 16:39.33 | Dougie187 | or that its a built in feature. |
| 16:39.50 | jasta | i suspect it will be a built in feature. The Linux USB and networking stack would make this very easy |
| 16:40.01 | Dougie187 | that would be sweet. |
| 16:40.25 | Dougie187 | im probably going to wait to get a new phone until android is out, because i want to be able to teather to linux pretty easily. |
| 16:40.32 | Dougie187 | tether.. |
| 16:40.36 | Dougie187 | again i keep misspelling it. |
| 16:40.51 | jasta | i'm excited for all the end-user applications that will be coming with Android |
| 16:41.04 | jasta | we might even finally get a decent desktop mobile tool for Linux :) |
| 16:41.11 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 16:41.16 | jasta | to explore the phone, install software, etc. |
| 16:41.26 | jasta | right now i use freaking vmware with my windows mobile phone |
| 16:41.45 | Dougie187 | one thing i guess im not certain of. is lets say you have an android phone. and you decide there is a feature you want but are missing. then you should be able to write an app for it and put it on your phone right? |
| 16:42.25 | jasta | yes, it's been explicitly stated that this will be possible. |
| 16:42.29 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 16:42.31 | Dougie187 | just making sure. |
| 16:42.37 | jasta | and that any user can install any app they choose, regardless of carrier intervention, signing, etc. |
| 16:42.46 | Dougie187 | yeah. thats what i though |
| 16:42.47 | Dougie187 | thought |
| 16:42.57 | jasta | which is very unlike any mainstream mobile platfor. |
| 16:42.59 | jasta | platform* |
| 16:43.12 | Dougie187 | totally |
| 16:43.40 | Dougie187 | i was looking into get a bb pearl instead of waiting because those have tethering for linux. |
| 16:43.47 | Dougie187 | but im thinking ill wait |
| 16:43.50 | jasta | to me it seems pretty clear that google's strategy is to transform the mobile industry into something a little more familiar to them. specifically, transform it into the desktop PC and broadband markets. |
| 16:43.52 | Dougie187 | because id rather have android. |
| 16:44.18 | yakischloba | I'm also waiting. This is everything I've been waiting for for years ;) |
| 16:44.24 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 16:44.37 | Dougie187 | I guess T-Mobile confirmed they will have an Android based phone out this year |
| 16:44.54 | Dougie187 | i just have to wait for a sprint one now. |
| 16:44.59 | jasta | i can't believe it's really right around the corner. google must be cranking out code like we can't imagine |
| 16:45.18 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 16:45.22 | jasta | i am certain that what they've publicly released is barely a glimpse of what they've been up to |
| 16:45.26 | Dougie187 | When do they start judging the ADC? |
| 16:45.32 | jasta | Dougie187: any day now |
| 16:45.43 | yakischloba | Whats the latest on when phones are supposed to hit the market? Pretty soon right? |
| 16:45.45 | Dougie187 | do they let you know when they start? or just when they finish? |
| 16:45.57 | jasta | morrildl claims the laptops have left his office destined to the judges as of like friday of last weeek |
| 16:46.00 | jasta | week* |
| 16:46.06 | jasta | yakischloba: end of '08, so not that soon |
| 16:46.08 | Dougie187 | the only time frame i have heard was september. |
| 16:46.15 | Dougie187 | september and december. |
| 16:46.19 | Dougie187 | but not till ADC is over. |
| 16:46.22 | Dougie187 | at least |
| 16:46.31 | jasta | Dougie187: they won't let you know unless you win, and they will let everyone know on the same day. |
| 16:46.45 | Dougie187 | Oh, so they won't tell you if you loose? |
| 16:46.48 | yakischloba | Gotcha. Well hopefully some carrier will start providing data services at a reasonable price between now and then. |
| 16:46.49 | jasta | unlikely |
| 16:46.55 | Dougie187 | thats disappointing. |
| 16:47.00 | Dougie187 | i hate it when people do it. |
| 16:47.07 | jasta | it will be obvious, don't you suppose? |
| 16:47.08 | Dougie187 | i think its more important to let them know then the people who did win |
| 16:47.15 | Dougie187 | sure if they hang out in here. |
| 16:47.24 | jasta | if on may 5th the community is buzzing with folks who got e-mailed about their winnings and you didn't get an e-mail... |
| 16:47.38 | Dougie187 | but its like not calling someone who didnt get a job. |
| 16:47.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | your email probably isn't broken |
| 16:47.55 | Dougie187 | they are sitting by their phone.... waiting.. and they never hear |
| 16:48.00 | jasta | Dougie187: it'll be obvious. |
| 16:48.12 | jasta | if the day is over and you didn't get an e-mail, you can stop waiting, you didn't win :) |
| 16:48.13 | Dougie187 | yeah. as long as they come in here and talk to everyone else. |
| 16:48.19 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 16:48.23 | jasta | Dougie187: all the online sites will be buzzing about i ttoo |
| 16:48.29 | jasta | i bet it'll make it to digg, slashdot, etc. |
| 16:48.32 | Dougie187 | true. but i would expect them to send out emails to everyone. |
| 16:48.43 | Dougie187 | its not like it would be that hard. |
| 16:48.57 | jasta | it's just not necessary |
| 16:49.00 | michaelnovakjr__ | they will post it on their blog |
| 16:49.00 | jasta | not at all |
| 16:49.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | and send the winners a telegram |
| 16:49.19 | jasta | Dougie187: remember, less than 3% of the submissions will win. |
| 16:49.40 | Dougie187 | true. but you wouldnt like an email stating that you didnt win, but your app was still really cool? |
| 16:49.45 | Dougie187 | and they thank you for entering and stuff? |
| 16:49.54 | morrildl | Everyone will be notified whether they win or lose |
| 16:49.54 | Dougie187 | not that they havent already. |
| 16:49.59 | Dougie187 | Ok |
| 16:50.00 | jasta | Dougie187: why would i? it would just be boiler plate crap. |
| 16:50.04 | jasta | they might have hated my app, i don't know |
| 16:50.08 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha jasta exactly |
| 16:50.14 | morrildl | It's the least we can do, these are people who bothered to submit apps for our platform which isn't even released yet :) |
| 16:50.24 | michaelnovakjr__ | that is like an insult.... 'hey you are cool but your app isn't!! |
| 16:50.25 | Dougie187 | Awesome. |
| 16:50.29 | Dougie187 | Glad to hear it. heh |
| 16:50.31 | jasta | morrildl: fair enough, but it will still be boiler plate crap, no? :) |
| 16:50.50 | morrildl | jasta: I'm not promising anything, but we might do a mail merge. ;) |
| 16:50.56 | jasta | it's not like you're going to give the winners anything useful. |
| 16:50.59 | Dougie187 | i would have been surprised if you didnt let the people who didnt win know too. |
| 16:51.08 | michaelnovakjr__ | i would prefer a new sdk over a sorry email :) |
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| 16:51.10 | jasta | err the losers* |
| 16:51.17 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: ditto :) |
| 16:51.21 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:51.40 | jasta | "Sorry, you didn't win, but get to work on this new SDK you lame-o." |
| 16:51.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 16:52.25 | jasta | what i'm wondering is if they will write up something particular for each of the winners |
| 16:52.32 | Dougie187 | are most of the projects done by one person? |
| 16:52.34 | jasta | it would not be unreasonable to personally address each of the 50 |
| 16:52.49 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta, i agree |
| 16:52.51 | jasta | Dougie187: impossible to tell. |
| 16:52.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | that would make it interesting |
| 16:53.12 | Dougie187 | what would you think they would say in those personal emails though? |
| 16:53.20 | Hai-Fai | any ideas when new sdk will be out? |
| 16:53.39 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 16:53.42 | Dougie187 | i love hearing that question |
| 16:53.48 | Dougie187 | it gets asked all the time and never answered. |
| 16:53.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | Hai-Fai: the day its released :) |
| 16:53.59 | jasta | Dougie187: now that i think about it it's obvious they won't personalize it. |
| 16:54.08 | jasta | because you'd then be in competition with each other, so they couldn't give you ideas or suggestions |
| 16:54.16 | Dougie187 | I would think they wouldnt want to give anything to the winners, |
| 16:54.19 | jasta | it could potentially give you an unfair edge to win the second round, or make them liable if you don't. |
| 16:54.19 | Dougie187 | just see what they can come up with |
| 16:54.22 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 16:54.45 | jasta | so you're right, all they should give you is $25K :) |
| 16:54.50 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 16:54.51 | jasta | that's all the encouragement you should need hehe |
| 16:54.58 | Dougie187 | of course |
| 16:55.14 | Dougie187 | once you get that. you can stay up for days on your excitement writing code for the next round |
| 16:55.16 | Hai-Fai | if they only gave you 25k then everyone with a working software should get it =) |
| 16:55.27 | jasta | Dougie187: i've been writing code for the next round already :) |
| 16:55.42 | Dougie187 | yeah but its not really just for the next round. thats because you want your app even if you loose |
| 16:55.44 | jasta | not that i'm assuming i won, i'm just assuming that the launch is still coming ;) |
| 16:55.49 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 16:55.56 | Dougie187 | you want to be able to use your app no matter what |
| 16:56.02 | Dougie187 | im sure there are groups that are only in it for the money. |
| 16:56.10 | Hai-Fai | I just want phones, no matter of anything else.. |
| 16:56.13 | Dougie187 | and those groups probably wont write anything until they hear they won |
| 16:56.32 | jasta | Dougie187: i doubt groups like that will win, honestly. |
| 16:56.43 | Dougie187 | I know. |
| 16:56.48 | Dougie187 | But it could happen. |
| 16:56.51 | jasta | it's hard to be creative when all you've got is money on the brain |
| 16:56.55 | Dougie187 | and you know there are groups like that out there |
| 16:57.29 | Dougie187 | jasta: you use ubuntu right? |
| 16:57.35 | jasta | Ubuntu and Debian, yeah |
| 16:57.40 | Dougie187 | you upgrade to hardy yet? |
| 16:57.44 | jasta | no, not yet |
| 16:57.54 | Dougie187 | im getting the iso right now. |
| 16:57.57 | Dougie187 | its taking forever though |
| 16:57.58 | jasta | so far it hasn't harrassed me about it yet :) |
| 16:58.03 | Dougie187 | he |
| 16:58.03 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 16:58.07 | Dougie187 | its asked me already |
| 16:58.13 | jasta | i assume it will some time today |
| 16:58.14 | Dougie187 | but im just going to do a clean install |
| 16:58.20 | jasta | why? that's stupid ;) |
| 16:58.23 | Dougie187 | everyone on the forums says a lot has changed. |
| 16:58.35 | Hai-Fai | that's no reason =P |
| 16:58.45 | Dougie187 | because i figure it cleans up my system. gets rid of crap that i dont use anymore and forgot about |
| 16:58.53 | Hai-Fai | that's a reason =) |
| 16:58.54 | jasta | if the release is worth a damn then their dist-upgrade script will work precisely as it should |
| 16:59.09 | Dougie187 | also its the end of a semester, so i need to get rid of my class files from this term. |
| 16:59.16 | Dougie187 | they are all backed up of course, but i dont want them on here anymore |
| 16:59.29 | jasta | i can't stand reinstalling any operating system. that's actually part of the reason i like linux distributions hehe |
| 16:59.30 | Dougie187 | heh last time dist-upgrade f'ed up my suspend |
| 16:59.37 | Dougie187 | I love reinstalling |
| 16:59.42 | Dougie187 | though i got use to it with windows |
| 16:59.42 | Hai-Fai | I usually scratch up my debian system once a year at max just because all of those tests and unnecessary programs and crap I don't remember anymore where I used 'em |
| 16:59.42 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:00.01 | Dougie187 | i use to reinstall my windows once a year |
| 17:00.06 | Dougie187 | and damn was that a hassle... |
| 17:00.06 | davidw | ew |
| 17:00.14 | Hai-Fai | I used to format c: my windows =P |
| 17:00.17 | Dougie187 | i had to make a list of what programs were installed. |
| 17:00.22 | davidw | reinstalling is bogus |
| 17:00.31 | Dougie187 | back up all the files. |
| 17:00.35 | Dougie187 | it took liked 4 hours. |
| 17:00.41 | Dougie187 | luckily ubuntu is a lot faster. |
| 17:00.47 | Dougie187 | only about an hour once i have the cd |
| 17:00.48 | Hai-Fai | use symantec ghost or similiar, it's easier |
| 17:01.02 | jasta | i think that is totally absurd to reinstall :) |
| 17:01.12 | Hai-Fai | I made a backup .iso of my debian, reinstall takes 10minutes top with all necessary programs and shit |
| 17:01.26 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 17:01.27 | jasta | the only reason i still use Debian on my home computer is because I installed it 5 years ago and I have no reason to reinstall :) |
| 17:01.30 | Dougie187 | ghost is awesome. |
| 17:01.31 | davidw | Debian was *designed* to be in-place upgradeable |
| 17:01.44 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 17:01.45 | Hai-Fai | and it is |
| 17:01.51 | davidw | jasta, and I bet that if you looked for cruft, you would find very little |
| 17:02.02 | Hai-Fai | my server has been running few years without touching it |
| 17:02.14 | jasta | yes, but that's probably because i know a _lot_ about Linux and Debian in particular ;) |
| 17:02.35 | Dougie187 | yeah ive only been using ubuntu for a few years. |
| 17:02.38 | Dougie187 | since dapper |
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| 17:02.44 | Hai-Fai | well that smell in the air is something familiar.. |
| 17:02.46 | Dougie187 | 06 i think that was. |
| 17:03.10 | Hai-Fai | I started with debian '00 about |
| 17:03.29 | jasta | i bet in my entire tour using Linux on my home machines I've only installed it 4 times. |
| 17:03.44 | jasta | and that's a decade of usage |
| 17:03.53 | Hai-Fai | well, actually reinstalling has nothing to do with your knowledge |
| 17:04.36 | jasta | RedHat first, used that until it imploded on its suckiness, installed Debian, reinstalled once when I got all new hardware (including HDD), then i've installed 1 server and have maintained it running Debian since installation. |
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| 17:05.37 | Dougie187 | yeah i used red hat first too |
| 17:05.42 | Dougie187 | wifi took me 2 months to get set up |
| 17:05.45 | Hai-Fai | =D |
| 17:05.52 | Dougie187 | then used ubuntu and it worked great with my wifi and wacom. |
| 17:05.54 | Dougie187 | used it since |
| 17:05.57 | davidw | has been a part of Debian since 1997 |
| 17:05.58 | Hai-Fai | it was times when desktop usage wasn't mainstream |
| 17:06.20 | davidw | although I don't maintain any packages any more... |
| 17:06.25 | jasta | i use Ubuntu at work, and generally recommend Ubuntu over Debian, but at home I have no problem with Debian whatsoever :) |
| 17:06.30 | Hai-Fai | so, someone still does use windows right uh |
| 17:06.45 | davidw | I use Ubuntu these days too |
| 17:06.48 | Hai-Fai | I don't like ubuntu's ideology |
| 17:06.50 | jasta | in fact i generally regard both Debian and Ubuntu maintainers as wise and correct disciples : |
| 17:06.54 | davidw | I think they get some things right that Debian doesn't |
| 17:06.57 | Hai-Fai | they just messed up lots of things I like in debian basically |
| 17:07.13 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 17:07.31 | Hai-Fai | but hey, that's why ppl do have opinions =) |
| 17:07.40 | Dougie187 | i have never seen people use debian or ubuntu in a production environment before though. |
| 17:07.49 | Hai-Fai | I use it daily =) |
| 17:07.51 | Dougie187 | both the school im in and the school i was in before used red hat. |
| 17:07.55 | Dougie187 | rhel and centos |
| 17:08.08 | jasta | i use Debian on our servers at work. |
| 17:08.25 | davidw | Dougie187, the last business I was at used Ubuntu for our servers, and for all desktops as well, even the people who answered the phones |
| 17:08.27 | Hai-Fai | but that's something when we do see any linux at real work, like it seems nowdays |
| 17:08.40 | muthu | is ubuntu good for servers? |
| 17:08.44 | davidw | muthu, yeah |
| 17:08.50 | Hai-Fai | somethings unfortenately just are way too difficult to do or even impossible with linux's |
| 17:08.52 | Dougie187 | i keep trying to get the people who maintain the systems here to change from centos to ubuntu. |
| 17:09.04 | davidw | muthu, I like the fact that I can run the exact same code on my desktop that's on the server |
| 17:09.09 | davidw | which makes testing stuff a breeze |
| 17:09.16 | davidw | anyway, dinner time |
| 17:09.20 | muthu | cool |
| 17:09.21 | Hai-Fai | enjoy your meal |
| 17:09.22 | Dougie187 | have a good meal |
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| 17:10.45 | jasta | Dougie187: basically it boils down to whether or not you want to cater to your poorly chosen sysadmin or not :) |
| 17:10.53 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 17:11.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | i have a good sysadmin |
| 17:11.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | me! |
| 17:11.07 | Dougie187 | i like how all of the sysadmins here have ph.d.'s in physics. |
| 17:11.15 | jasta | if you use RedHat, you can cater to him since it's the bare minimum he'll be expected to know. |
| 17:11.38 | jasta | otherwise if he's actually worth a damn, you should be able to throw just about any UNIX variant at him and he can figure out how to make it work for you heeh |
| 17:11.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | that is the way it should be |
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| 17:12.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta, unfortunately there are a lot of dumb people in computers |
| 17:12.11 | jasta | i, for example, haven't used RedHat since that brief time as a teenager. i could probably walk into the RHCE test lab and pass with flying colors, however. |
| 17:12.36 | Hai-Fai | I think this channel might change it's idealogy in near future to linux helpdesk =) |
| 17:12.36 | muthu | are the other linux flavors, that much different? |
| 17:12.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | **kernel** **kernel** |
| 17:13.11 | jasta | muthu: Not really. The greatest differences between distros is inferiority :) |
| 17:13.32 | Hai-Fai | muthu: on desktop usage minimally, some made few changes, but on server based things almost everythings similiar [except updating with package management system] |
| 17:13.42 | muthu | right |
| 17:14.02 | jasta | Basically the only difference is the ideology of the packaging community. |
| 17:14.03 | muthu | googlers use mac though |
| 17:14.09 | jasta | And in that case, Debian totally wins :0 |
| 17:14.17 | Hai-Fai | 2-0 |
| 17:14.20 | jasta | muthu: googlers, iirc, use whatever they want. |
| 17:14.42 | Dougie187 | my iso is finally done downloading |
| 17:14.49 | Hai-Fai | enjoy your installation |
| 17:14.53 | Hai-Fai | I'm off to shower |
| 17:15.09 | muthu | jasta: mac pro is given to googlers |
| 17:15.40 | jasta | muthu: i believe you are misinformed. i am pretty confident they are offered a choice assuming that the choice makes since given their job function. |
| 17:15.58 | muthu | they are given a mac |
| 17:16.01 | muthu | and a thinkpad |
| 17:16.04 | jasta | for example, i'm sure android engineers can work on whatever platform they choose. |
| 17:16.07 | Dougie187 | id take the thinkpad. |
| 17:16.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | most places are given a choice..... unless software ties you to a certain platform |
| 17:16.19 | muthu | i don't know what the thinkpad runs though |
| 17:16.27 | Dougie187 | put what ever you want on it |
| 17:16.35 | muthu | right |
| 17:17.01 | muthu | one 30" monitor or two 24" |
| 17:17.02 | jasta | muthu: right? that disproves what you said :) |
| 17:17.22 | jasta | you said "googlers use mac", but they don't exclusively use macs. |
| 17:17.25 | muthu | jasta: they get both mac and thinkpad |
| 17:17.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | why not just have morrildl or romainguy confirm that muthu |
| 17:17.38 | jasta | why on earth would they get both? |
| 17:17.51 | muthu | because they are google |
| 17:18.04 | jasta | ok, well, where'd you get this data from then? |
| 17:18.10 | jasta | because it sounds like you just made it up |
| 17:18.29 | muthu | oh no |
| 17:18.32 | muthu | facts |
| 17:18.32 | jasta | maybe they have the option to have two laptops if they want, but i doubt they just "give" it to you assuming you'll want it. |
| 17:18.42 | jasta | muthu: facts derived from what? you making it up? |
| 17:18.50 | muthu | i post everything here |
| 17:18.55 | muthu | only you don't read it |
| 17:19.07 | jasta | can somebody please help me figure out what this guy is babbling about? |
| 17:19.16 | muthu | hehe |
| 17:19.24 | yakischloba | calm ;) |
| 17:19.25 | morrildl | I'm more curious how he knows that |
| 17:19.30 | morrildl | ;) |
| 17:19.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | i = 0; i >=1; i++ |
| 17:19.37 | muthu | there you have it. |
| 17:19.51 | muthu | morrildl: i have my sources :) |
| 17:20.32 | yakischloba | so all the guys that use macs just have a thinkpad sitting in their closet? |
| 17:20.35 | jasta | morrildl: how he knows what? the you guys get to have either a thinkpad or a mac pro? |
| 17:20.51 | jasta | or allegedly, i mean :) |
| 17:21.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta, what he really means is while(1) { babble = true; } |
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| 17:21.41 | jasta | bah, i'm done with this conversation |
| 17:21.49 | mumrah | hey will android be able to go on a Samsung i617 |
| 17:21.52 | jasta | muthu is, yet again, off his rocker. |
| 17:21.58 | Dougie187 | without any answers? |
| 17:21.59 | jasta | muthu: Probably not, no. |
| 17:21.59 | yakischloba | LoLuMaD?!?!?! |
| 17:21.59 | muthu | ah come on |
| 17:22.04 | yakischloba | heh |
| 17:22.07 | muthu | you got confirmation!! |
| 17:22.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | mumrah: nobody knowns |
| 17:22.12 | jasta | err mumrah, I meant. |
| 17:22.16 | muthu | and you still don't believe |
| 17:22.18 | muthu | ? |
| 17:22.22 | jasta | i got confirmation? |
| 17:22.27 | Dougie187 | he didnt confirm. |
| 17:22.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | i didn't see it |
| 17:22.30 | muthu | is morrildl fake? |
| 17:22.34 | Dougie187 | he was waiting for you to say where you heard it from. |
| 17:22.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | who :) |
| 17:22.39 | mumrah | what devices has it been confirmed to work with? |
| 17:22.42 | jasta | morrildl didn't confirm that you were correct muthu. |
| 17:22.46 | michaelnovakjr__ | mumrah: none. |
| 17:22.46 | jasta | he neither confirmed nor denied. |
| 17:22.50 | morrildl | thought he did... |
| 17:22.57 | muthu | there again!! |
| 17:23.03 | mumrah | weak |
| 17:23.19 | jasta | morrildl: well you didn't hehe |
| 17:23.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | mumrah: what do you want? it hasn't been released yet! |
| 17:23.24 | mumrah | google people get a thinkpad /or/ and macbook pro btw |
| 17:23.41 | jasta | /or/ and? |
| 17:23.48 | mumrah | lol |
| 17:23.51 | mumrah | yes |
| 17:23.51 | mumrah | or and |
| 17:23.53 | jasta | is this some parallel universe that nobody communicates properly? |
| 17:23.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | how about and/or ? |
| 17:24.01 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 17:24.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta, we reached the end of the universe |
| 17:24.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | android is the mothership |
| 17:24.23 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: Yeah I think so. I don't like the view. |
| 17:24.27 | muthu | there's a lot of intersting google tidbits |
| 17:24.29 | Dougie187 | lol well jasta had a hard time answering a simple question earlier. |
| 17:24.40 | Dougie187 | so i dont think he is one to complain about communication. |
| 17:24.48 | muthu | yup |
| 17:24.52 | jasta | Dougie187: Because it made no sense. How can I answer the question: "How much cola did you drink?" |
| 17:24.54 | muthu | jasta is out of his mind today |
| 17:24.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | when i was a kid i drank 12.0000231 liters of soda a month |
| 17:25.06 | muthu | lol |
| 17:25.09 | Dougie187 | Lol you were saying that you got the nickname for drinking a lot of cola. |
| 17:25.16 | Dougie187 | so you should have an idea of how much a lot is. |
| 17:25.17 | jasta | Since I was 12? Jeez, I don't know, 2000 cans? |
| 17:25.31 | Dougie187 | in what time span? |
| 17:25.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | ***estimate |
| 17:25.32 | Dougie187 | a year? |
| 17:25.35 | jasta | If instead he meant how much did I typically drink on a particular scale, then I could answer. |
| 17:25.46 | jasta | But he asked some bonehead question in a stupid way, so I couldn't answer. |
| 17:25.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | 12 months three days and two hours Dougie187 |
| 17:25.49 | Dougie187 | how much did you drink per day on average? |
| 17:25.55 | Dougie187 | There ya go. |
| 17:26.02 | jasta | Dougie187: Now that's a question I can answer. Do you see the difference? |
| 17:26.04 | muthu | i asked how many kola u drank? |
| 17:26.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | Dougie187: do you work for cola? |
| 17:26.16 | mumrah | this is the google mobile os channel, right? |
| 17:26.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | mumrah: its the end of the universe |
| 17:26.27 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: My head is literally going to explode. |
| 17:26.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 17:26.36 | Dougie187 | I do not work for cola. |
| 17:26.46 | Dougie187 | peanuts. possibly. |
| 17:26.49 | Dougie187 | not cola though |
| 17:26.51 | jasta | Normally heads exploding is not possible, but since this is the edge of the known universe, I suspect it can happen |
| 17:26.54 | muthu | do koala drink cola? |
| 17:27.10 | muthu | jasta drank koala! |
| 17:27.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | whats koala.... is that something on the android mothership? |
| 17:27.14 | Dougie187 | you dont have to answer that jasta. |
| 17:27.24 | muthu | lol |
| 17:27.26 | Dougie187 | its a bear. |
| 17:27.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | did someone write a soda dispensing application, since we hit the end of the universe and there's no going back! |
| 17:27.53 | jasta | btw, I wish I could have a red panda for a pet. |
| 17:28.44 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: hehe, i put an easter egg in my app but it turns out the version i submitted to the judges it didn't quite work as it was supposed to |
| 17:28.48 | jasta | but i tried, anyway. |
| 17:28.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 17:28.59 | jasta | all the music the judges download has been re-encoded with festival so that it's legal, right? |
| 17:29.16 | jasta | well, there was supposed to have been a song in there by the artist GLaDOS that sang the lyrics to the song at the end of the portal game |
| 17:29.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes |
| 17:29.19 | jasta | using festival |
| 17:29.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 17:29.34 | Dougie187 | Lol |
| 17:29.36 | Dougie187 | Still Alive. |
| 17:29.38 | jasta | but it didn't work because i didn't include an album, and i forgot that songs not tethered to an album don't work for the dummy version sent to the judges hehe |
| 17:29.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | i wrote a new android app :) |
| 17:29.38 | Dougie187 | that would be sweet |
| 17:30.00 | jasta | i was really disappointed when i realized that hehe |
| 17:30.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | its a stupidity detector..... voice activated.... if you say something stupid it tasers you |
| 17:30.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | no way to turn it off...... |
| 17:30.30 | jasta | it must be a real drain on battery |
| 17:30.37 | Dougie187 | haha |
| 17:30.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | only if you are stupid :) |
| 17:32.32 | Dougie187 | i bet muthu would drain the battery a lot. |
| 17:32.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 17:32.39 | muthu | haha |
| 17:32.49 | muthu | i wrote an app btw |
| 17:32.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | soda meter? |
| 17:33.01 | Dougie187 | i did not. |
| 17:33.05 | Dougie187 | thought i wish i had. |
| 17:33.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | zaappp!! |
| 17:33.18 | jasta | you could've been part of all this mind-numbing excitement. |
| 17:33.19 | Dougie187 | lol |
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| 17:33.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 17:33.27 | Dougie187 | i know |
| 17:33.33 | Dougie187 | its like a party everyday |
| 17:33.35 | jasta | was i being sarcastic? i honestly can't tell. |
| 17:33.36 | Dougie187 | but only after 11:30 am here |
| 17:33.53 | Dougie187 | well. |
| 17:33.54 | michaelnovakjr__ | later than that depending on where you are |
| 17:33.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | zaaappppp |
| 17:33.58 | Dougie187 | i think it is about time to reinstall my laptop |
| 17:34.06 | Dougie187 | since i got my ubuntu cd burnt now. |
| 17:34.17 | muthu | new version? |
| 17:34.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | you're slow.... i am already using it :) |
| 17:34.29 | muthu | what's it called.. fart? |
| 17:34.38 | muthu | i know someone mentioned it today |
| 17:34.41 | Dougie187 | ... |
| 17:34.48 | Dougie187 | hardy |
| 17:34.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | heron |
| 17:34.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | hardy heron |
| 17:34.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | zaaapppppp |
| 17:35.11 | muthu | oh yes |
| 17:35.13 | muthu | hardy |
| 17:40.16 | michaelnovakjr__ | zapp hardy heron |
| 17:43.33 | Dougie187 | i should be back in about an hour |
| 17:43.36 | Dougie187 | have fun everyone |
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| 17:57.41 | muthu | any SDK release soon? |
| 17:58.02 | Hai-Fai | haha |
| 17:58.14 | muthu | Hai-Fai: you don't expect it huh |
| 17:58.29 | Hai-Fai | I asked it earlier =) |
| 17:58.41 | Hai-Fai | and no-one has answer to it, so we'll be waiting |
| 17:58.52 | muthu | the droids keep it secret |
| 17:59.02 | Hai-Fai | unfortenately yes |
| 17:59.10 | muthu | which don't make sense |
| 17:59.37 | muthu | if i'm in charge of android development |
| 17:59.43 | muthu | things would be different |
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| 18:00.05 | muthu | now i would do a release |
| 18:00.13 | muthu | to keep the developers busy |
| 18:01.07 | Hai-Fai | =P |
| 18:01.24 | muthu | morrildl: where are you? |
| 18:04.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | he is manning the mothership, the droid army is ready to fight off the numerous times a day they get asked 'whens the next sdk coming out' |
| 18:05.10 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: why is that a secret? |
| 18:05.49 | donomo | anyone got android loaded on their HTC TyTy II? |
| 18:05.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | if they said muthu it wouldn't be a secret anymore |
| 18:06.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | donomo: it is not available for phones yet! |
| 18:06.37 | muthu | donomo: there were some ports tried |
| 18:06.39 | donomo | michaelnovakjr__: http://www.intomobile.com/2008/04/12/htc-tytn-ii-can-run-android.html |
| 18:07.24 | donomo | better link, with video http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/load_up_android_on_your_tilt.html |
| 18:13.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | ok, donomo, that is not official |
| 18:13.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | that is what we like to call a 'hack' |
| 18:14.11 | donomo | thank you, captain obvious. :) |
| 18:14.37 | donomo | maybe someone here has a tilt phone |
| 18:15.58 | donomo | michaelnovakjr__: its an interesting hack, isnt it? |
| 18:16.35 | morrildl | muthu: chillaxin' with Dick Cheney at an undisclosed location ;) |
| 18:16.46 | muthu | haha |
| 18:16.56 | morrildl | I am at work |
| 18:17.07 | muthu | ok, when's the next sdk? |
| 18:17.22 | morrildl | as soon as I can get to it :) |
| 18:17.30 | muthu | then get to it soon ;) |
| 18:17.38 | morrildl | that is the goal |
| 18:17.50 | davidw | morrildl, I suppose you've been *sleeping* and *eating* again... |
| 18:17.52 | muthu | this is the best time to release |
| 18:18.04 | morrildl | davidw: Yes, and I have to make a shameful confession |
| 18:18.10 | morrildl | last night I played metroid Prime 3 for 2 hours. |
| 18:18.28 | muthu | good to relax |
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| 18:19.03 | muthu | morrildl: all applications tested? |
| 18:19.30 | morrildl | muthu: you mean the judging? they are being judged, yes |
| 18:19.41 | muthu | yeah, judging - is it over? |
| 18:19.47 | morrildl | not yet |
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| 18:19.51 | morrildl | lots of apps to judge |
| 18:19.59 | muthu | 1788 to be exact |
| 18:20.02 | muthu | :) |
| 18:20.12 | donomo | just loading 1788 apps would take a long time |
| 18:20.13 | morrildl | is familiar with the number |
| 18:20.39 | morrildl | ...since the "golden se" is on my hard drive :) |
| 18:20.42 | donomo | roll a 1788-sided dice and delare a winner. |
| 18:20.45 | morrildl | golden set even |
| 18:20.53 | morrildl | donomo: don't tempt me |
| 18:21.06 | muthu | may5 is the party right? |
| 18:22.44 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am hoping my app wins, otherwise its pretty much not going to get off the ground because it needs money :) |
| 18:23.03 | muthu | why it needs money? |
| 18:23.10 | michaelnovakjr__ | lots of server side hardware |
| 18:23.16 | michaelnovakjr__ | its a big system |
| 18:23.31 | muthu | the media files right |
| 18:23.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | mine is the weatherphone |
| 18:23.40 | muthu | weatherphone |
| 18:23.49 | michaelnovakjr__ | indeed |
| 18:23.54 | muthu | yes remembered |
| 18:24.16 | michaelnovakjr__ | to be useful, it needs to be able to support millions of users |
| 18:24.18 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: did you look for investors? |
| 18:24.22 | michaelnovakjr__ | nope |
| 18:24.33 | Lede | my app is an embrasement, that is why i won't tell anyone |
| 18:24.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | no idea where to look |
| 18:24.41 | muthu | Lede: what's it? |
| 18:24.54 | Lede | i will tell if i win |
| 18:25.12 | muthu | is it a cooking show? |
| 18:25.14 | muthu | hehe |
| 18:26.10 | muthu | oh oh |
| 18:26.17 | Lede | guess more! |
| 18:26.43 | muthu | i think i got the right answer |
| 18:27.41 | Lede | <insert onomatopoeic for wrong> |
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| 18:27.54 | muthu | then tell me |
| 18:28.07 | Lede | i can't! it's so bad, it's top secret |
| 18:28.17 | muthu | if its secret i can understand |
| 18:28.28 | muthu | but don't feel bad |
| 18:30.31 | Lede | muthu: did you submit something? |
| 18:30.44 | muthu | yes, a cooking app |
| 18:31.02 | Lede | ok |
| 18:31.12 | Lede | i remember you telling me about it now |
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| 18:31.22 | Dougie187 | And... im back |
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| 18:36.36 | Dougie187 | What... |
| 18:36.42 | muthu | Dougie187: how's hardy? |
| 18:36.44 | Dougie187 | google toolbar is not compatible with firefox 3 beta 5.. |
| 18:36.46 | Dougie187 | its pretty cool |
| 18:36.55 | Dougie187 | they have better touchpad support built into it |
| 18:37.01 | muthu | great |
| 18:37.06 | muthu | anything else you notice? |
| 18:37.43 | Dougie187 | Not as of yet. |
| 18:37.54 | Dougie187 | though im playing super smash bros while i play with it as well |
| 18:40.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | i like hardy |
| 18:40.35 | muthu | any major updates? |
| 18:40.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | seems pretty stable |
| 18:40.45 | muthu | http://www.itgalary.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=828&PID=1407#1407 |
| 18:41.23 | Dougie187 | im kinda pissed that the google toolbar doesnt work though |
| 18:41.38 | Dougie187 | it bums me out |
| 18:41.39 | muthu | hardy comes with ff beta? |
| 18:41.42 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 18:41.46 | Dougie187 | 3beta5 |
| 18:41.51 | muthu | why? |
| 18:41.53 | muthu | is it stable? |
| 18:42.02 | Dougie187 | ionno |
| 18:42.07 | Dougie187 | ask the developers. |
| 18:42.22 | muthu | the developers seem to be happy |
| 18:42.28 | muthu | the users suffer! |
| 18:42.30 | Dougie187 | im gonna downgrad firefox |
| 18:42.37 | Dougie187 | downgrade. |
| 18:42.54 | Dougie187 | some of the multiverse repos are hanging now. |
| 18:42.57 | Dougie187 | also. |
| 18:43.02 | Dougie187 | so i cant install flash right now |
| 18:43.05 | Dougie187 | but thats not a huge deal |
| 18:43.50 | muthu | oh oh |
| 18:43.55 | muthu | seems you have some problems |
| 18:44.53 | Dougie187 | eh its not like a huge issue right now |
| 18:44.58 | Dougie187 | cept firefox 3 beta 5 |
| 18:45.02 | Dougie187 | ubuntu is working great |
| 18:45.08 | Dougie187 | and beta 5 would be cool cept google toolbar |
| 18:45.32 | muthu | its bleeeding edge |
| 18:46.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | you can install the firefox 2.0 package on 8.04 if needed |
| 18:48.35 | muthu | Apple has decide to dump all its old iphone stocks in India |
| 18:48.38 | Dougie187 | thats what im trying to do |
| 18:48.50 | muthu | for a cool $700! |
| 18:49.02 | muthu | this is not 3G mind you.. |
| 18:50.18 | muthu | that's one reason for me to hate apple |
| 18:51.16 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr: do you know how to install the old firefox? |
| 18:52.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | its in the package manager |
| 18:53.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | or |
| 18:53.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | on the shell tyep sudo apt-get install firefox-2 |
| 18:53.54 | Dougie187 | nice ok |
| 18:53.54 | Dougie187 | thanks |
| 18:54.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | no problem |
| 19:01.37 | muthu | good night |
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| 19:08.19 | Dougie187 | man are the ubuntu repos slow today. |
| 19:08.20 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:08.23 | Dougie187 | i bet they are getting hammered |
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| 19:16.24 | mihoshi | Anyone used AssetManager class? |
| 19:19.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | anyone get this: emulator-tcp-5555 disconnected! Cancelling 'org.weatherphone.android.WeatherPhone.WeatherPhone' launch! |
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| 19:48.50 | jasta | sigh |
| 19:49.04 | jasta | how come nobody knows anything about networking? |
| 19:52.59 | Kraln | what do you need to know? |
| 19:53.08 | Kraln | or are you expressing discontent at the world in general |
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| 19:53.55 | jasta | the latter |
| 19:54.47 | Kraln | ah. |
| 19:54.49 | jasta | i sent a note to the makers of that barracuda spam fireawll thing to kindly point out that their latest firmware has a bug when interacting with greylisted servers |
| 19:55.05 | Kraln | and what'd you get back? nothing? form letter not addressing your concern? |
| 19:55.40 | jasta | instead, they retorted with the logic that since barracuda is an industry leading product that i must be mistaken and it is in fact my e-mail server, which does not have a barracuda device, which is the problem. |
| 19:56.08 | jasta | so i called their tech support and tried to report it as a bug that way |
| 19:56.23 | jasta | asked to be escalated to some dude that finally answered with "Hello? What?" |
| 19:56.55 | jasta | and when i tried to explain that the SMTP code 450 should be a temporary failure that should be retried he just kind of sat there idly on the other end of the phone waiting for me to tell him what to say or something |
| 19:57.10 | jasta | until he finally responded that he doesn't think there's an issue with barracuda's firmware |
| 19:57.52 | jasta | despite it being so incredibly obvious. he wasn't willing to test their product, either. |
| 19:58.21 | jasta | if the relay tries to send a message to a server which responds 450 Mailbox unavailable, it will permanently reject the message, not send a bounce notice to the user, but never retry. |
| 19:58.39 | jasta | their logging shows it as a "Fatal SMTP server configuration error." |
| 19:58.55 | jasta | despite it being mentioned very clearly in the SMTP documentation as a temporary failure demanding a retry. |
| 19:59.59 | jasta | i also experienced this same type of ridiculous behaviour when i tried to get a router replaced at Qwest which had the fatal TCP window scaling bug as documented here: |
| 20:00.03 | jasta | http://lwn.net/Articles/92727/ |
| 20:00.25 | jasta | ultimately they told me that it must be my equipment (DSL modem, which they provided) which was the problem and sent me a new one. |
| 20:00.46 | jasta | which of course did nothing, since i had already done all the work necessary to find the EXACT router that had the bug! |
| 20:00.54 | jasta | i could point it out to them by fucking name and they wouldn't just go look at it |
| 20:01.08 | jasta | it would've been easier to break into the building and destroy it with a hammer |
| 20:03.14 | jasta | in fact, i have never had a positive reaction from any supposed network or IT professional i've ever dealt with, anywhere. |
| 20:07.53 | benley | but you're not bitter. |
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| 20:09.03 | jasta | it's just ridiculous. there's so little accountability in this industry. programmers, system administrators, ...they all can get away with such ridiculous, shoddy work. |
| 20:15.11 | Kraln | which is why I sell hosting |
| 20:15.19 | Kraln | I can't stand idiots in control |
| 20:15.33 | Kraln | so, I only ever have to deal with the bandwidth provider, the rest is me |
| 20:16.32 | Kraln | quite frankly I just don't trust anyone else to do it right |
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| 20:27.03 | f00f- | jasta: i agree. it is so sad. and it's hard to change it :( |
| 20:27.22 | f00f- | protocol violators should die. |
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| 20:40.09 | f00f- | i think T-Mobile here in the US is poised for a play |
| 20:40.20 | f00f- | they don't have 3G, but perhaps Google may partner with them |
| 20:40.42 | f00f- | they're now saying they'll have an Android device in their lineup |
| 20:40.45 | f00f- | by year's end |
| 20:41.57 | Kraln | that doesn't help me |
| 20:42.02 | Kraln | I get the best coverage with sprint |
| 20:42.37 | Kraln | tmobile has very good customer service in the USA though |
| 20:44.40 | Dougie187 | yeah i read that they were planning to have an android on out by the end of the year |
| 20:44.57 | Dougie187 | i have sprint as well, and sprint is supposed to have a device as well, just no timeline on it. |
| 20:45.06 | Dougie187 | sprints customer service blows though |
| 20:45.34 | f00f- | i'm quite happy sprint's stock, even though i dont have their service :) |
| 20:46.16 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 20:46.18 | Dougie187 | i have their service. |
| 20:46.25 | Dougie187 | cell service is pretty good |
| 20:46.29 | Dougie187 | never had a horrible problem with it. |
| 20:46.37 | Dougie187 | but customer service is the worst thing i have ever had to deal with |
| 20:46.38 | Dougie187 | ever. |
| 20:46.54 | f00f- | so i hear |
| 20:47.28 | Dougie187 | heh |
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| 20:56.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | sprint sucks |
| 20:57.12 | f00f- | meetings suck! |
| 20:58.00 | Dougie187 | i enjoy a good meeting now and then |
| 20:58.53 | Kraln | their customer service is terrible |
| 20:58.59 | Kraln | which is why I have employee customer service |
| 20:59.03 | Kraln | which is still terrible |
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| 23:10.46 | jasta | i'm guessing that the next SDK release is going to be *huge* :) |
| 23:10.53 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 23:10.56 | Dougie187 | you mean you are hoping |
| 23:11.00 | jasta | this is the longest break between releases yet by a long shot |
| 23:11.21 | Dougie187 | by *huge* do you mean in content? or in size? |
| 23:11.32 | jasta | content |
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| 23:12.11 | Dougie187 | we shall see |
| 23:12.36 | Dougie187 | i got hardy up an running |
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| 23:34.00 | Dougie187 | jasta: how is phase two coming along? |
| 23:35.21 | jasta | phase two? |
| 23:35.28 | jasta | of my evil plan, or the other thing? |
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| 23:49.44 | f00f- | how is hardy heron |
| 23:49.48 | f00f- | is it out yet Dougie187 ? |
| 23:50.13 | f00f- | ubuntu puts out a fair amount half-baked releases |
| 23:53.50 | f00f- | still no hits |