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| 02:03.12 | romainguy____ | re |
| 02:04.06 | Kraln | re |
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| 02:20.16 | poffy | wrrrrrry |
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| 02:42.22 | michaelnovakjr | hey jasta |
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| 03:04.40 | michaelnovakjr | quiet tonight |
| 03:06.55 | romainguy | re |
| 03:08.30 | michaelnovakjr | how's that new sdk version coming along? |
| 03:09.45 | romainguy | I need sleep :) |
| 03:10.03 | michaelnovakjr | i know that feeling |
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| 03:10.20 | romainguy | it's been months |
| 03:10.24 | romainguy | I'm tired :) |
| 03:11.39 | michaelnovakjr | i bet |
| 03:11.49 | michaelnovakjr | its gotta be one really cool project to work on |
| 03:12.45 | romainguy | it is :)) |
| 03:13.33 | michaelnovakjr | i'd like to work at google eventually, i would have applied at the end of the year, except i just got the lead developer job where i am now...... so tough choice |
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| 03:14.36 | romainguy | michaelnovakjr: applying is different from getting the job ;-) |
| 03:14.56 | michaelnovakjr | true |
| 03:14.58 | Kraln | iphone sdk is objective c |
| 03:15.03 | Kraln | pukes in his mouth more than a little |
| 03:15.09 | michaelnovakjr | i am still young |
| 03:15.16 | romainguy | What do you have against Objective-C? |
| 03:15.17 | poffy | I don't like Objective C |
| 03:15.19 | michaelnovakjr | don't know obj-c |
| 03:15.21 | poffy | but I'm considering learning it |
| 03:15.22 | michaelnovakjr | its sweet |
| 03:15.30 | romainguy | Objective-C is good |
| 03:15.32 | michaelnovakjr | i am a fan of it |
| 03:15.34 | romainguy | At least I find it really good |
| 03:15.39 | romainguy | michaelnovakjr: is that your first job? |
| 03:15.44 | michaelnovakjr | nope |
| 03:15.46 | michaelnovakjr | second |
| 03:15.48 | poffy | I attempted to learn Obj-C as my first programming language awhile ago |
| 03:15.48 | poffy | heh |
| 03:15.55 | poffy | Didn't work out very well |
| 03:16.51 | Kraln | romainguy: I don't have anything against it. I just need to wrap my mind around it |
| 03:16.55 | Kraln | it's not what I expected |
| 03:16.59 | Kraln | also, pm poffy |
| 03:17.08 | michaelnovakjr | romainguy, second job.... i am only 22 so still lots of time to work a head of me |
| 03:17.18 | romainguy | michaelnovakjr: yeah, me too :) |
| 03:17.19 | michaelnovakjr | getting the lead was pretty sweet |
| 03:17.22 | romainguy | (I'm 25) |
| 03:17.42 | romainguy | Kraln: Once you get past the original [] syntax, Objective-C is not that much different from C and Java |
| 03:17.56 | michaelnovakjr | they talk in 'messages' but its really method calss |
| 03:17.57 | michaelnovakjr | calls |
| 03:18.25 | romainguy | michaelnovakjr: well not really, because you can do other things with the notion of responders |
| 03:18.25 | michaelnovakjr | objective-c is great...... you can drop down and use straight up C anytime! |
| 03:18.30 | michaelnovakjr | true |
| 03:19.29 | Kraln | romainguy: from what I've been reading it's like lisp and c had a baby. |
| 03:19.35 | michaelnovakjr | do the judges do a clean install everytime they test an app? |
| 03:20.33 | romainguy | and Objective-C 2.0 has a GC, which is awesome |
| 03:20.39 | romainguy | except the iPhone doesn't support the GC :( |
| 03:20.43 | michaelnovakjr | totally |
| 03:20.47 | michaelnovakjr | and its opt-in!! |
| 03:20.56 | michaelnovakjr | so you can choose to use it or not |
| 03:20.56 | romainguy | it should be opt-out :p |
| 03:21.10 | michaelnovakjr | if they enabled it by default :) |
| 03:21.46 | michaelnovakjr | i wish java GC was optional |
| 03:21.57 | romainguy | no way :p |
| 03:22.20 | Kraln | java would break if the gc was optional |
| 03:22.22 | michaelnovakjr | i did finance programming.... there was a delay in execution because of it |
| 03:22.27 | Kraln | there is no language constructs to free memory |
| 03:22.36 | michaelnovakjr | tweak to the jdk fixed it :) |
| 03:23.10 | michaelnovakjr | trading software is no good if there's delays! |
| 03:23.32 | romainguy | michaelnovakjr: that was probably the application :)) |
| 03:24.23 | michaelnovakjr | i just don't see a problem with memory management |
| 03:24.29 | michaelnovakjr | i don't mind it |
| 03:24.35 | romainguy | it's just annoying |
| 03:24.36 | romainguy | and boring |
| 03:24.40 | romainguy | and the machine can do it for you |
| 03:24.41 | romainguy | so... |
| 03:24.47 | michaelnovakjr | no doubt its boring...... |
| 03:25.39 | Kraln | in the embedded space, generally a gc is too much overhead |
| 03:25.45 | Kraln | someone worked some voodoo with android |
| 03:25.48 | Kraln | =) |
| 03:26.13 | michaelnovakjr | i would actually want it on embedded devices |
| 03:26.17 | michaelnovakjr | cleans up memor |
| 03:26.25 | romainguy | well you have it :p |
| 03:26.29 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
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| 03:28.17 | michaelnovakjr | hey jasta |
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| 07:48.12 | ligi | hi all |
| 07:57.27 | muthu | hi |
| 07:57.50 | muthu | ligi: how do you greet in german? |
| 07:58.24 | muthu | vanakkam in tamil |
| 07:58.24 | ligi | muthu: Hallo is the german term |
| 07:58.28 | muthu | namaskar in hindi |
| 07:58.32 | muthu | Hallo |
| 07:58.42 | ligi | namaskar |
| 07:58.44 | ligi | ;-) |
| 07:58.50 | muthu | :) |
| 07:59.06 | muthu | you confident, about winning? |
| 07:59.19 | ligi | no |
| 07:59.33 | ligi | just wanted to shock the judges |
| 07:59.35 | ligi | ^^ |
| 07:59.44 | muthu | haha |
| 07:59.46 | ligi | increase the WTF factor |
| 08:00.02 | muthu | its cool in a way |
| 08:00.22 | ligi | just had 20 houres for the android port |
| 08:00.55 | ligi | but perhaps the concept gives me some bonus ;-) |
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| 12:59.19 | Dougie187 | morning everyone |
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| 13:03.12 | vol_ | good morning |
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| 13:31.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | morning |
| 13:33.16 | ligi_ | hi all |
| 13:36.07 | Dougie187 | morning |
| 13:36.18 | Dougie187 | man. centos 5 uses firefox 1.5 |
| 13:36.24 | Dougie187 | and 1.5 isnt supported anymore |
| 13:36.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 13:36.35 | Dougie187 | its irritating. |
| 13:36.49 | Dougie187 | freaking centos blows. |
| 13:37.08 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am running my mail server on centos, so as far as firefox and all that, doesn't really mean anything to me |
| 13:37.11 | Dougie187 | i asked the sysadmins here if they were planning on upgrading firefox to the latest stable, but they said no. |
| 13:37.13 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 13:37.18 | Dougie187 | but we have it on all the desktops here |
| 13:37.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | i prefer ubuntu for workstations |
| 13:37.23 | Dougie187 | as do i |
| 13:37.33 | Dougie187 | do ubuntu and centos talk well together? |
| 13:37.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | what do you mean? |
| 13:37.44 | Dougie187 | or i should say work* |
| 13:37.59 | Dougie187 | i guess, are there any issues that you have from having a mixed setup. |
| 13:38.05 | Dougie187 | centos servers -> ubuntu workstations |
| 13:38.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | nope |
| 13:38.43 | Dougie187 | thats cool |
| 13:39.00 | Dougie187 | i suggested to them to use ubuntu, but they are all "We have centos on the servers and dont want a mixed setup" |
| 13:39.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | not that i know of, it shouldn't make a difference what your servers are..... i mostly use solaris 10 actually... only that zimbra likes linux more |
| 13:39.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | the mailserver is the only linux server i run |
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| 13:41.21 | Dougie187 | im just irritated that we are using an unsupported version of firefox. |
| 13:41.24 | ligi_ | aloha muthu |
| 13:41.34 | muthu | ligi_: Hallo |
| 13:41.39 | michaelnovakjr__ | upgrade your firefox |
| 13:41.53 | muthu | any info on top 50? |
| 13:42.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | anyone get hit? |
| 13:43.57 | muthu | a few people are distressed in the forums |
| 13:44.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | what are they saying? |
| 13:44.18 | muthu | claiming their apps are not tested right |
| 13:44.36 | michaelnovakjr__ | i doubt that |
| 13:44.40 | muthu | hmm |
| 13:44.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | how would your users use it |
| 13:44.59 | muthu | right |
| 13:45.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | seems like bad UIs talking |
| 13:45.13 | muthu | its tricky |
| 13:46.05 | muthu | and there'll always be controversies |
| 13:46.21 | muthu | obviously everyone expects to win |
| 13:46.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | of course.... but that is why UI design is hard |
| 13:46.47 | muthu | yeah.. that's why i went with a design partner |
| 13:46.52 | muthu | hope she got it right! |
| 13:46.54 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 13:47.15 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr you had someone else on your project too right? |
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| 13:48.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | Dougie187: i had a friend come in and help out the last weekend.... basically that is what got the app ready in time :) |
| 13:49.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | there was still a lot to get through so two programmers made sense |
| 13:49.16 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: team work makes sense |
| 13:49.24 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes |
| 13:49.40 | ligi_ | right |
| 13:49.43 | muthu | you can feed of each other and get some critical feedback |
| 13:49.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | absolutely |
| 13:50.07 | Dougie187 | and 4 eyes are better than 2 |
| 13:50.15 | Dougie187 | that way you get two outlooks on the project. |
| 13:50.16 | ligi_ | but finding good team members iss hard work |
| 13:50.17 | muthu | that's why most business and teams are going to win.. than individuals |
| 13:50.30 | Dougie187 | ligi_: true |
| 13:50.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu: you'll be surprised |
| 13:51.00 | muthu | really? |
| 13:51.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | i think so |
| 13:51.12 | muthu | why? |
| 13:51.22 | ligi_ | muthu: i dont think that way - i think ( hope ) the idea counts more than thre realisation |
| 13:51.35 | ligi_ | the rest is easy to do |
| 13:51.36 | Dougie187 | i would expect it to work like that. |
| 13:51.41 | Dougie187 | I think thats why they have phases. |
| 13:51.47 | Dougie187 | they want to see good ideas to start with |
| 13:51.54 | muthu | it depends on 4 judges |
| 13:51.59 | muthu | and what they think |
| 13:51.59 | Dougie187 | and then throughout the next phases they want to see good implementation of the ideas |
| 13:52.10 | Dougie187 | but the judges should all be looking for similar things. |
| 13:52.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | they said what they wanted to see..... we definitely know its a little bit more than just the idea |
| 13:52.38 | Dougie187 | true. |
| 13:52.38 | Dougie187 | but i would think the idea would be the most important thing at this stage. |
| 13:52.42 | Dougie187 | and a decent implementation of it |
| 13:52.46 | ligi_ | michaelnovakjr__: idea + some apk to show that you know what u are doing |
| 13:52.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | if your program is a good idea but sloppy then you won't get as high of a score |
| 13:52.53 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 13:52.57 | Dougie187 | you have to present your idea well |
| 13:53.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | read the judging guidelines on the site |
| 13:53.07 | ligi_ | but polishing / bughunting will not count imho |
| 13:53.10 | michaelnovakjr__ | its pretty exact |
| 13:53.21 | Dougie187 | ill be back in a bit. i have a meeting now. |
| 13:55.57 | tomgibara | I think the judging criteria are balanced between concept and realization |
| 13:56.39 | michaelnovakjr__ | brb getting the link |
| 13:56.42 | tomgibara | Originality and Indespensibility on the one hand (concept) and Use & Polish on the other (execution) |
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| 13:59.08 | muthu | it must be the right mix |
| 13:59.15 | michaelnovakjr_2 | http://code.google.com/android/adc_judging.html |
| 13:59.24 | muthu | tomgibara: you did the mosey code, right? |
| 13:59.30 | tomgibara | I have a growing concern that the concept will carry more weight because its less effort to judge |
| 13:59.33 | michaelnovakjr_2 | that pretty much says it all |
| 13:59.35 | tomgibara | yeah, that's me |
| 13:59.40 | muthu | cool |
| 13:59.57 | muthu | tomgibara: you think your app was not tested right? |
| 14:00.35 | tomgibara | No, I can't say that, but I put a public post about it on the forums in case anyone else has had a similar experience |
| 14:00.54 | michaelnovakjr_2 | how could it not be tested right? |
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| 14:01.11 | tomgibara | I had 6hrs of server down time, but from the logs I'm pretty sure that only 2 judges logged into the test account |
| 14:01.29 | tomgibara | So I could have been unlucky and 'lost' 2 judges |
| 14:01.50 | tomgibara | but of the two that judged the app, only one judge published just one barcode |
| 14:01.53 | michaelnovakjr_2 | but that is out of the hands of google |
| 14:02.39 | muthu | tomgibara: did you have a readme, explaining how to publish bar codes? |
| 14:03.26 | tomgibara | I supplied a 5 page PDF that I made as brief as possible, but which nevertheless gave a screenshot of every activity and a small write-up |
| 14:03.36 | tomgibara | The application also has complete help |
| 14:03.45 | vol_ | Hmm. |
| 14:04.02 | vol_ | RemoteCallbackList seems to have something in beginBroadcast where it will fail if more than 23 elements are registered |
| 14:04.37 | vol_ | looking at the bytecode, at least. |
| 14:04.37 | tomgibara | As an aid, the help is also online: http://www.tomgibara.com/android/moseycode/releases/help |
| 14:04.37 | vol_ | nothing in the documentation about it, though. |
| 14:04.51 | vol_ | I see nothing in the groups, either. |
| 14:05.17 | muthu | tomgibara: why do you think the other judge did not publish a barcode? |
| 14:05.36 | tomgibara | Because every published barcode enters the moseycode repository. |
| 14:05.43 | muthu | i understand |
| 14:05.59 | muthu | but what might be the reason, the second judge did not do it |
| 14:06.39 | tomgibara | I explicitly stated in the documentation that any information submitted as part of the judging process can be removed at the request of any judge by contacting me |
| 14:07.03 | michaelnovakjr_2 | but judges aren't going to contact you :) |
| 14:07.11 | michaelnovakjr_2 | each application is just a number |
| 14:07.31 | tomgibara | Possibly I didn't do enough to promote my application for demonstration - I'm not moaning about it, but it's worth sharing experiences in case other people have had similar experiences |
| 14:08.00 | tomgibara | They can contact me if they wish since there is also reference to a complete privacy policy that includes all relevant details |
| 14:08.23 | michaelnovakjr_2 | yes, but i doubt google will let judges talk to those who submitted |
| 14:08.35 | tomgibara | Anyway, I wouldn't expect them to hesitate using an application's demo account, I just did it for thoroughness |
| 14:08.40 | michaelnovakjr_2 | the point is to be objective |
| 14:08.59 | michaelnovakjr_2 | that they should do, jasta set up a demo account and judges used it |
| 14:10.16 | tomgibara | 2 judges did use the demo account - and maybe my application is buggy. |
| 14:10.59 | tomgibara | It simply made me concious of the disparity that could exist between my expectation of the judges and their intentions. |
| 14:11.11 | muthu | tomgibara: you have pretty detailed help |
| 14:11.25 | muthu | guess judges would have got the complete picture |
| 14:11.54 | tomgibara | Yes, this was the 5th release of the application and it's always been developed for end-users, not judges, so the help's pretty complete. |
| 14:12.09 | muthu | tomgibara: i wouldn't worry too much |
| 14:12.34 | muthu | because you got the point across through help etc., |
| 14:12.45 | tomgibara | I always felt that it would be hard for Moseycode to compete since almost all the application is based around dynamically interacting with the camera |
| 14:13.04 | tomgibara | Since the judges can't do that I wasn't very confident to start with |
| 14:13.30 | muthu | tomgibara: right, so they must use their imagination |
| 14:14.04 | tomgibara | But if they just watched the video and said "yes that's a good app" then I am annoyed for all the developers who worked really hard and are having the applications compared to video demonstrations. |
| 14:14.21 | tomgibara | *the = their |
| 14:14.43 | muthu | you cannot worry about other applications though |
| 14:15.29 | tomgibara | Whether I win or lose, I want to know I did so fairly - perhaps it's because I'm an englishman :) |
| 14:15.39 | muthu | haha |
| 14:15.53 | muthu | me too, even though i'm an indian :) |
| 14:16.33 | muthu | i'll be worried about how my app was judged in all fairness, irrespective of what the judges did with other applications |
| 14:17.07 | michaelnovakjr_2 | its going to be a fair process |
| 14:17.28 | tomgibara | I think all but the toughest will harbour some nervousness about the judging. |
| 14:17.41 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i am running server side in my app and if it went down i wouldn't cry about it..... you could have wrote an app that didn't need servers :) |
| 14:17.59 | michaelnovakjr_2 | its a risk |
| 14:19.33 | tomgibara | I wrote that app I wanted to write irrespective of the ADC - and it needs a server :) |
| 14:20.04 | michaelnovakjr_2 | so does mine..... but that doesn't mean google has to worry about if its connecting or not..... that is the problem of the developer |
| 14:20.29 | michaelnovakjr_2 | they got 1788 apps |
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| 14:20.41 | michaelnovakjr_2 | its quite a bit to do in 15 something days |
| 14:20.50 | tomgibara | I agree completely |
| 14:25.29 | davidw | I want to build a company... depending on contests is a bad revenue model |
| 14:25.39 | muthu | haha |
| 14:26.34 | tomgibara | The cash and caché that come from the competition are valuable whether you have a revenue model or not. |
| 14:27.24 | muthu | tomgibara: winning the challenge would be great, but i'm not sure how many of those 50 winners will go on and start a company |
| 14:28.28 | davidw | tomgibara, *if* you win |
| 14:30.15 | tomgibara | davidw: yes, but I'm sure everyone will have at least one moment imagining it was so. |
| 14:30.30 | muthu | oh yeah, big time |
| 14:30.37 | muthu | that's the fun part |
| 14:30.51 | muthu | atleast dream that you'll win until the last moment |
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| 14:30.56 | tomgibara | The ADC definitely skewed my priorities slightly during development, in some good ways and some not so good. |
| 14:32.13 | tomgibara | davidw: do you have a revenue model in mind? |
| 14:35.40 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i have a piggy bank |
| 14:35.52 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i have about 16 cents toward the next application server |
| 14:36.09 | davidw | tomgibara, working on it:-) |
| 14:36.15 | davidw | I have too many ideas actually |
| 14:36.38 | tomgibara | haha that's the curse: too many ideas or none |
| 14:37.02 | tomgibara | 16 cents pays for a lot of open source software |
| 14:37.40 | michaelnovakjr_2 | sure, tomgibara the software isn't the problem.... its getting the hardware :) |
| 14:38.11 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i have a complete open source stack |
| 14:38.25 | muthu | michaelnovakjr_2: what's the stack you are using? |
| 14:38.44 | michaelnovakjr_2 | solaris, mysql, glassfish |
| 14:39.01 | michaelnovakjr_2 | glassfish === sun java application server |
| 14:39.25 | muthu | cool |
| 14:40.50 | michaelnovakjr_2 | solaris 10 is actually not bad compared to solaris 9 :) |
| 14:41.19 | muthu | michaelnovakjr_2: sun has this program where you can get hardware cheap |
| 14:41.30 | michaelnovakjr_2 | yea? |
| 14:41.43 | muthu | yeah |
| 14:41.49 | muthu | for small startups |
| 14:41.53 | muthu | check out their website |
| 14:41.55 | michaelnovakjr_2 | interesting |
| 14:45.07 | davidw | who buys hardware anymore? |
| 14:45.47 | muthu | davidw: you get them for free? |
| 14:45.57 | davidw | nah, hosting |
| 14:46.09 | muthu | yeah, that how we pay right? |
| 14:46.18 | davidw | yeah, but by the month |
| 14:46.24 | muthu | correct |
| 14:46.39 | davidw | and you're not buying anything, you're just renting time |
| 14:46.52 | michaelnovakjr_2 | davidw, i buy hardware |
| 14:46.54 | muthu | $9.95 with Kraln.. who can beat that? |
| 14:47.13 | davidw | michaelnovakjr, for what? |
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| 14:47.18 | michaelnovakjr_2 | muthu: i applied for it |
| 14:47.29 | muthu | michaelnovakjr_2: great.. that would be useful for you |
| 14:47.31 | michaelnovakjr_2 | davidw: i prefer to manage my own hardware. |
| 14:47.43 | davidw | what if you're on vacation or something? |
| 14:47.52 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i've got coverage :) |
| 14:47.53 | davidw | I run my own boxes.... |
| 14:48.06 | davidw | but I like them to be in a real data center |
| 14:48.54 | muthu | better to rent them out.. on the longer run |
| 14:49.31 | davidw | maybe something like Amazon's ec2 is ideal, but not *quite* yet |
| 14:49.35 | davidw | they still have a few things to fix |
| 14:50.29 | muthu | davidw: i went against amazon, after your suggestion |
| 14:50.36 | muthu | and it looked a bit complicated |
| 14:50.56 | davidw | yeah |
| 14:50.58 | davidw | it's not there yet |
| 14:51.19 | davidw | their prices are still too high as well |
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| 15:36.35 | vol_ | I'm having some trouble manually using aidl when creating my own parcelable classes, can anyone help with this? |
| 15:41.40 | vol_ | in particular, I'm just not exactly sure how I'm supposed to run aidl here |
| 15:42.02 | vol_ | I've created Foo.java and Foo.aidl in the com.bar.parcelable package |
| 15:42.14 | vol_ | there doesn't seem to be anything in the groups either |
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| 15:55.35 | michaelnovakjr_2 | you aren't supposed to create the java file |
| 15:55.52 | michaelnovakjr_2 | you write the aidl and then the java class is generated from that vol_ |
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| 16:11.36 | michaelnovakjr_2 | anyone's server been hit since yesterday? |
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| 16:26.05 | michaelnovakjr_2 | hey jasta |
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| 16:32.33 | muthu | michaelnovakjr_2: biosopher seems to have got a hit |
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| 16:42.24 | Dougie187 | man that guy likes to leave and join a lot |
| 16:44.07 | jasta | yawn |
| 16:44.33 | Dougie187 | you tired jasta? |
| 16:53.41 | jasta | always |
| 16:53.53 | Dougie187 | drink caffeine? |
| 16:54.05 | michaelnovakjr_2 | jasta, have you been hit since yesterday? |
| 16:57.08 | jasta | michaelnovakjr_2: No |
| 16:57.23 | michaelnovakjr_2 | me either |
| 16:58.52 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i wonder if they are doing something different so the top 100 can't see if they are being hit |
| 16:59.22 | michaelnovakjr_2 | you should be in atleast the top 100 jasta |
| 16:59.28 | jasta | who knows |
| 17:00.02 | vol_ | michaelnovakjr_2: I'm writing a class that implements parcelable. The AIDL docs say that I should create a java file, and an aidl stub, neither of which I should have eclipse compile |
| 17:00.32 | vol_ | am I misreading them? Do I need the aidl stub to create a parcelable file that can be used for ipc? |
| 17:00.59 | jasta | vol_: Eclipse has bugs when creating your own parcelables. The documentation, however, misses an obvious and simple work-around. |
| 17:01.58 | jasta | You just need to implement a java class implementing Parcelable, then edit the system-wide tools/framework.aidl and add: |
| 17:02.20 | jasta | err tools/lib/framework.aidl |
| 17:02.39 | jasta | parcelable foo.bar.baz.MyParcelable; |
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| 17:06.56 | vol_ | yes, this is a completely obvious workaround. |
| 17:07.29 | vol_ | thank you, though, I will look into this. |
| 17:08.06 | vol_ | also, is it possible via aidl for an interface to extend another interface? |
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| 17:20.43 | jasta | vol_: i don't know. it wouldn't seem difficult for them to have introduced that support. |
| 17:21.19 | vol_ | That's unfortunate. |
| 17:21.40 | vol_ | I figured that a good solution to my problem would be to create the three seperate interfaces, and then have a fourth interface that extended those three |
| 17:21.56 | vol_ | this way I don't have to do something silly like binding three times, but I could still expose the service in discreet parts |
| 17:22.37 | jasta | like i said, i don't know that they don't support this. |
| 17:22.42 | jasta | it would seem easy to have supported it. |
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| 17:51.49 | muthu | i thought jasta was an insider, but now people are looking at me!! |
| 17:51.58 | muthu | LOL |
| 17:52.23 | vol_ | perhaps he is faking you out |
| 17:52.38 | muthu | conspiracy going on |
| 17:52.57 | muthu | but seriously, how hard is it to figure a few things out? |
| 17:53.04 | michaelnovakjr_2 | muthu: been hit? |
| 17:53.20 | muthu | i don't have a server.. |
| 17:53.25 | muthu | played it safe ;) |
| 17:53.50 | muthu | pocketjourney got hit |
| 17:53.53 | Dougie188 | you should have had it email you when it worked. |
| 17:53.54 | Dougie188 | lol |
| 17:54.02 | Dougie188 | or emailed you when it failed. |
| 17:54.15 | jasta | bbl, gotta futz with my machine |
| 17:54.49 | muthu | Dougie188: yeah, but you know.. why? |
| 17:54.57 | muthu | it kills the suspense |
| 17:55.00 | michaelnovakjr_2 | so i am going to say i probably am not in the top 50 |
| 17:55.04 | michaelnovakjr_2 | top 100 i mean |
| 17:55.14 | dmoffett | Sorry if I am way off base here but just joined the irc. The consensus is if you have not been hit recently then you are not in the top 100 or 50? |
| 17:55.25 | muthu | nope |
| 17:55.27 | muthu | not really |
| 17:55.34 | muthu | that's what people here seem to think |
| 17:55.37 | muthu | but no one knows |
| 17:55.47 | Dougie188 | paranoid people are speculating on that. |
| 17:55.48 | dmoffett | Thanks |
| 17:55.50 | michaelnovakjr_2 | dan mentioned they are only judging the top 100 |
| 17:55.51 | Dougie188 | depends who you are talking to. |
| 17:55.52 | dmoffett | lol |
| 17:56.18 | Dougie188 | but you might not have to get hit again to get judged as part of the top 100 |
| 17:56.21 | muthu | fact is top 100 is being judged |
| 17:56.25 | michaelnovakjr_2 | true |
| 17:56.28 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i just realized that |
| 17:56.30 | Dougie188 | also. |
| 17:56.31 | muthu | right |
| 17:56.32 | dmoffett | How do you know that? |
| 17:56.37 | Dougie188 | maybe they are hitting them just for fun. |
| 17:56.42 | Dougie188 | Morrildl told us yesterday |
| 17:56.43 | muthu | haha |
| 17:57.01 | Dougie188 | maybe they are running back through some of the apps they still have access to and playing with them, instead of judging them. |
| 17:57.19 | dmoffett | Anyone get hit from google. |
| 17:57.21 | Dougie188 | truth is, noone has any idea whats going on. |
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| 17:57.36 | Dougie188 | just wait til monday and find out |
| 17:57.40 | dmoffett | our app was hit but not from google just I guess partners. |
| 17:57.49 | muthu | dmoffett: who? |
| 17:58.03 | muthu | and when? |
| 17:58.36 | dmoffett | mostly late last week. |
| 17:58.43 | dmoffett | from some of the partners. |
| 17:58.45 | muthu | what's your app? |
| 17:59.04 | dmoffett | Player for http://www.vizzvox.com |
| 17:59.32 | Dougie188 | late last week is (as far as we know) before they reduced it to top 100 |
| 17:59.34 | dmoffett | I put it together in a month so I really don't expect to win but it is till exciting and fun. |
| 18:00.07 | muthu | you stream content from vizzvox? |
| 18:00.07 | dmoffett | Cool then you don't have to worry about us. :-) |
| 18:00.08 | Dougie188 | but that doesnt mean your not in the top 100 |
| 18:00.28 | Dougie188 | unless you wanna be paranoid and think of it that way. like michaelnovakjr |
| 18:00.29 | Dougie188 | lol |
| 18:00.39 | dmoffett | I don't think they were impressed since they spent very little time in the app. |
| 18:01.07 | muthu | hmm |
| 18:01.08 | dmoffett | I am to old to be paranoid. Worry about my kid more than anything. |
| 18:01.30 | muthu | right, there's so many things to look forward to |
| 18:01.45 | muthu | actually i'll be in a dilemma if cooking wins!! |
| 18:02.09 | dmoffett | Exactly 25 or even 250 is not much if you have a good idea that can make $1.00 from milliions of users. |
| 18:02.15 | dmoffett | It would be very cool to win though. |
| 18:02.23 | dmoffett | I would call my Mom right away. :-) |
| 18:02.28 | Dougie188 | heh |
| 18:02.35 | muthu | winning would be cool |
| 18:02.39 | muthu | to brag about |
| 18:03.01 | Dougie188 | i wonder if the winners will try to beef up their teams for phase 2 |
| 18:03.15 | muthu | they might |
| 18:03.16 | dmoffett | I would even call my high school sweet heart. Of for some of you that might not be that long ago. |
| 18:03.36 | muthu | dmoffett: hope your wife dont mind ;) |
| 18:03.41 | Dougie188 | i would as well. but that is my wife. |
| 18:03.41 | Dougie188 | lol |
| 18:03.49 | muthu | Dougie188: cool |
| 18:04.03 | dmoffett | She might welcome the break. |
| 18:04.08 | Dougie188 | hah |
| 18:04.18 | Dougie188 | good luck with that one. |
| 18:04.28 | dmoffett | 20 years of bliss though. |
| 18:05.27 | muthu | dmoffett: if you don't win? |
| 18:05.28 | dmoffett | 20 years of marriage is even harder than winning adc. |
| 18:05.28 | dmoffett | Just keep tryiing. |
| 18:05.46 | muthu | how many kids? |
| 18:05.55 | dmoffett | just one for me. |
| 18:06.10 | muthu | ok.. got 2 daughters here |
| 18:06.26 | dmoffett | Cool |
| 18:06.35 | dmoffett | I wish I had 10 now. |
| 18:06.41 | muthu | yeah, i know |
| 18:06.50 | dmoffett | Thought they were a pain in the ass untiil I had one. |
| 18:06.52 | dmoffett | http://www.vizzvox.com/stories/7HxErEAAdQR9600fms |
| 18:06.57 | dmoffett | that is my boy. |
| 18:07.37 | f00f- | muthu is an INSIDER, BEWARE :) |
| 18:07.45 | dmoffett | a little shameless promotion. |
| 18:07.50 | muthu | f00f-: oh oh |
| 18:07.59 | dmoffett | works for google? |
| 18:08.03 | michaelnovakjr_2 | so muthu should start talking.... |
| 18:08.26 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i blame the irc for paranoid behavior |
| 18:08.31 | dmoffett | It's all just good fun. |
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| 18:08.43 | michaelnovakjr_2 | haha |
| 18:08.44 | dmoffett | Reading the mailing list was great fun. |
| 18:09.07 | Dougie188 | jasta have you calmed down yet? |
| 18:09.08 | michaelnovakjr_2 | they should surprise everyone and announce the winners tomorrow! |
| 18:09.11 | Dougie188 | or are you still paranoid? |
| 18:09.15 | muthu | i donno what google thinks about me |
| 18:09.34 | jasta | Dougie188: i'm uncertain, which is in between :) |
| 18:09.37 | michaelnovakjr_2 | well, you are kinda in their domain |
| 18:10.44 | muthu | dmoffett: saw your boy, cool |
| 18:10.52 | dmoffett | thank you. |
| 18:13.07 | davidw | jasta is going to be unsufferable if he wins;-) |
| 18:13.19 | Kraln | he is already unsufferable |
| 18:16.31 | muthu | will the scores be send to the participants? |
| 18:16.52 | Dougie188 | hasnt that been speculated enough? |
| 18:17.22 | Dougie188 | that question has an average refresh rate of 3 hours. |
| 18:17.32 | muthu | haha |
| 18:17.43 | michaelnovakjr_2 | hey guys just got back |
| 18:17.44 | michaelnovakjr_2 | will the scores be send to the participants? |
| 18:17.45 | jerkface03 | will the scores be send to the participants? |
| 18:17.47 | jerkface03 | lol |
| 18:17.58 | muthu | brb |
| 18:18.16 | muthu | will the scores be send to the participants? |
| 18:19.00 | michaelnovakjr_2 | there will be a fill in the blank form on google.com, this form will email your score after you fill it out. (put your score in the box)! |
| 18:19.11 | muthu | show me the box!! |
| 18:19.21 | f00f- | show me the money! |
| 18:19.25 | muthu | haha |
| 18:19.57 | muthu | morrildl: hi |
| 18:20.03 | Dougie188 | lol |
| 18:20.21 | muthu | there's only 4 days of fun left |
| 18:20.36 | Dougie188 | so some 1600 people thats true. |
| 18:20.39 | Dougie188 | maybe 1700 |
| 18:20.42 | Dougie188 | but not for 50 |
| 18:20.49 | muthu | right |
| 18:20.53 | muthu | i'll be missing |
| 18:21.07 | muthu | after may 5 |
| 18:21.09 | michaelnovakjr_2 | morrildl: is currently unavailable please leave a message and your response will arrive....... hmmm... well it will arrive some time in the future |
| 18:21.15 | muthu | haha |
| 18:21.53 | muthu | there's only 2 things i need to know |
| 18:23.09 | muthu | to set things right in the forum |
| 18:23.11 | Dougie188 | and those are? |
| 18:23.38 | muthu | 1. will scores be sent? |
| 18:24.01 | muthu | 2. is muthu really a google insider? |
| 18:24.26 | Dougie188 | my understanding of previous conversations would lead me to say 1. No, 2. Yes |
| 18:24.44 | michaelnovakjr_2 | my understanding is 1. maybe 2. possibly |
| 18:24.44 | muthu | lol |
| 18:24.44 | f00f- | #2 is really a recursive question for you muthu |
| 18:25.09 | Dougie188 | i could see 1. maybe for the losers. |
| 18:25.13 | Dougie188 | but 1. no for the winners. |
| 18:25.28 | muthu | winners don't care anyways |
| 18:26.05 | Dougie188 | but i would assume they wouldnt go through the trouble of personalizing every message to the losers. since there are way more. and that would lead me to say no |
| 18:27.48 | jerkface03 | who cares about a personal message |
| 18:27.51 | jerkface03 | i just want to know how i placed |
| 18:28.00 | michaelnovakjr_2 | they could write a mailer script that prints your score in a message like....... Sorry submission #1543 but your score was __ and that is way too low to even be looked at more than once! Actually you probably don't want to know how terribly low this score is compared to others, so with that said, try again next time! |
| 18:28.51 | Dougie188 | lol |
| 18:29.02 | jerkface03 | followed up by "loooooooooooooooooooooooooooser" |
| 18:29.14 | michaelnovakjr_2 | haha |
| 18:31.31 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i found out losers get one free search at google.com to use whenever they'd like |
| 18:31.37 | michaelnovakjr_2 | guys, it doesn't expire!!! |
| 18:31.41 | f00f- | haha |
| 18:32.07 | Dougie188 | and 50 invites to gmail |
| 18:32.18 | muthu | the number of oooo in looser can be counted to find out your rank |
| 18:32.20 | michaelnovakjr_2 | aw swwweeeeettttttt! |
| 18:32.30 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i have been waiting to get a gmail account for forever! |
| 18:32.34 | Dougie188 | i know |
| 18:32.40 | Dougie188 | they are so hard to get! |
| 18:32.41 | michaelnovakjr_2 | haha |
| 18:32.42 | Dougie188 | i hope i lose! |
| 18:32.52 | Dougie188 | (though i didnt enter so i already lost) |
| 18:33.12 | Dougie188 | but thats really just me being paranoid |
| 18:33.15 | michaelnovakjr_2 | muthu, they are going to temporarily redesign the results page to say looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooser instead of goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooogle |
| 18:33.32 | michaelnovakjr_2 | for your one free search |
| 18:33.40 | muthu | haha |
| 18:33.41 | Dougie188 | lol except the word changes when you do looooooooooooooooser.. |
| 18:33.53 | Dougie188 | unlink google |
| 18:33.57 | muthu | thats only on may 5 |
| 18:34.44 | Dougie188 | unlike* |
| 18:37.16 | dmoffett | Just like in the special olympics you are winners just for participating. :-) |
| 18:37.52 | Dougie188 | even the 50 people who made facebook apps? |
| 18:38.01 | dmoffett | lol |
| 18:39.58 | muthu | May 5 is monday |
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| 18:41.38 | muthu | anyone PHP expert here? |
| 18:41.45 | Dougie188 | ive used php before. |
| 18:41.51 | Dougie188 | not really an expert. |
| 18:42.00 | muthu | Dougie188: you know any "rule engine" in PHP? |
| 18:42.09 | muthu | just like Drools or something |
| 18:42.11 | Dougie188 | im about as anxious as you guys are to find out if you win or not to find out when i get my laptop back. |
| 18:42.12 | Dougie188 | Nope. |
| 18:42.35 | Dougie188 | though i dont know what drools is |
| 18:42.39 | muthu | anyone know rule engine similar to Drools in PHP? |
| 18:43.06 | muthu | have used Drools before, but it requires a JVM |
| 18:43.20 | muthu | Dougie188: drools is a rule engine |
| 18:43.23 | Dougie188 | http://code.google.com/p/phprulez/ |
| 18:43.23 | Dougie188 | ? |
| 18:43.34 | muthu | Dougie188: that seems to be pretty new |
| 18:44.03 | dmoffett | Anyone porting to the iPhone? |
| 18:44.29 | michaelnovakjr_2 | dmoffett: not untill the f**** at apple allow bg processes through the sdk |
| 18:45.06 | muthu | dmoffett: no, that's the last thing we'll do |
| 18:45.07 | dmoffett | Yeah I think the apple sdk is not very good at this point. |
| 18:45.44 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i am a big fan of obj-c, i am excited to get into it, but without that option i am not even going to bother |
| 18:45.59 | dmoffett | I see |
| 18:46.11 | dmoffett | NeXT guy? |
| 18:47.47 | muthu | guess i can use drools from php |
| 18:48.05 | dmoffett | I much prefer android over Apples mobil solution but I am getting paid to port my app over. |
| 18:49.12 | muthu | dmoffett: if you are paid, then you obey the master ;) |
| 18:49.32 | dmoffett | I many masters. |
| 18:49.41 | muthu | right |
| 18:49.41 | dmoffett | I think you have two your self. :-) |
| 18:49.59 | dmoffett | that you have mentioned. |
| 18:50.20 | muthu | i've mentioned two? |
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| 18:52.26 | dmoffett | I think you mentioned two daughters? |
| 18:52.54 | muthu | oh yes |
| 18:53.03 | dmoffett | ATM == Master. I look like an atm to my son. :-) |
| 18:53.09 | muthu | haha |
| 18:53.09 | Dougie188 | dmoffett: does that mean your son is an apple developer. |
| 18:53.27 | Dougie188 | he looked a bit young in that picture. |
| 18:53.57 | dmoffett | Indirectly, to feed him, I have to port to iPhone. |
| 18:54.17 | Dougie188 | heh |
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| 18:54.36 | dmoffett | I hope to start him on Ruby or Python soon though. |
| 18:54.46 | Dougie188 | not c? |
| 18:55.04 | muthu | C - he'll learn in school |
| 18:55.13 | Dougie188 | heh |
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| 19:00.47 | michaelnovakjr_2 | C is great! |
| 19:00.56 | michaelnovakjr_2 | always start with C |
| 19:01.03 | michaelnovakjr_2 | its a better way of thinking |
| 19:01.21 | f00f- | no |
| 19:01.23 | f00f- | start with assembly |
| 19:01.32 | f00f- | mov ax, 5h |
| 19:01.32 | f00f- | etc. |
| 19:01.48 | muthu | start with hardware |
| 19:02.07 | f00f- | actually even better is to start with HDL |
| 19:02.11 | f00f- | like Verilog or VHDL |
| 19:02.15 | f00f- | to really understand what's going on |
| 19:02.26 | f00f- | makes you appreciate those for loops |
| 19:02.32 | f00f- | no such thing as a for loop in hardware! |
| 19:03.11 | muthu | f00f-: guess things will change |
| 19:03.22 | muthu | probably people would start with ruby or python nowadays |
| 19:03.52 | f00f- | sad, but probably true |
| 19:04.04 | f00f- | those kinds of languages really encourage hacking imho |
| 19:04.25 | f00f- | use the right tools for the right job is my view |
| 19:04.37 | muthu | right |
| 19:04.39 | f00f- | so whatever you need to use, learn it :P |
| 19:08.30 | acsia | I say use sartre programming language |
| 19:08.54 | michaelnovakjr_2 | fortran |
| 19:08.57 | michaelnovakjr_2 | cobalt |
| 19:09.07 | acsia | http://catseye.tc/projects/sartre/doc/sartre.html |
| 19:09.08 | michaelnovakjr_2 | *o |
| 19:09.28 | acsia | quoting: "Statements in Sartre have essentially no philosophical purpose; they just are. Thus, Sartre programs are often left to define their own functions." |
| 19:09.56 | Dougie188 | fortran blows. |
| 19:10.00 | Dougie188 | everyone should forget it |
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| 19:42.30 | davidw | disagrees with the tools metaphor |
| 19:42.42 | davidw | PL's are much more complex than, say, a hammer |
| 19:42.55 | davidw | there's a good reason people try and stick with as few as possible |
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| 19:53.13 | Lede | i do everything with a spoon |
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| 20:51.45 | jasta | yawn |
| 20:56.00 | GodsMoo1 | is anybody using SimpleCursorAdapter.ViewBinder ? |
| 20:56.42 | GodsMoo1 | I've seen a lot of people extending the listAdapter |
| 20:56.58 | GodsMoo1 | but nobody has mentioned the ViewBinder |
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| 21:01.06 | jasta | GodsMoo1: i have used it numerous times. |
| 21:01.17 | jasta | and i have also extended listadapter. sometimes the ViewBinder is not what you need, sometimes it is. |
| 21:06.31 | GodsMoo1 | jasta do you have an example of how you used it? or is your app open source? |
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| 21:13.40 | jasta | well he left before i coudl answer :) |
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| 21:32.29 | Marvin_ | Hello, does someone know when exactly the 100->50 entries selection started ? |
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| 21:34.43 | jasta | Marvin_: no. |
| 21:34.48 | jasta | i mean, i don't. |
| 21:34.50 | jasta | someone does ;) |
| 21:35.06 | Marvin_ | ok :) thanks :) |
| 21:35.25 | Marvin_ | I'm fine with that answer :) |
| 21:35.32 | dmoffett | I asked earlier and I think there is a lot of guessing going on. |
| 21:35.50 | Marvin_ | yes, a lot of speculations indeed |
| 21:35.51 | dmoffett | Maybe hoping as well. :-) |
| 21:36.19 | Marvin_ | on my side I got a few hits on saturday |
| 21:36.25 | Marvin_ | and A LOT on sunday |
| 21:36.36 | dmoffett | I think it has been narrowed down to 666 and those are not going to hell. |
| 21:36.39 | Marvin_ | well... a lot more. |
| 21:36.50 | Marvin_ | :) |
| 21:37.24 | dmoffett | Cool I would think that would be a good indicator. |
| 21:37.35 | dmoffett | My application was hit but not for long. |
| 21:37.46 | dmoffett | Which I take as lack of interest. |
| 21:38.03 | dmoffett | No surprise really though. |
| 21:38.06 | f00f- | the judges are probably sick of apps already |
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| 21:42.50 | donomo | i would be. |
| 21:43.18 | donomo | "if i have to load one more buggy image viewer app i'll...." :) |
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| 22:42.58 | jasta | ugh, now i'm all stressed out about work stuff :) |
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| 23:22.11 | f00f- | very quiet in here |
| 23:22.30 | dmoffett | working on our buggy image viewer programs. |
| 23:23.03 | benley | busy causing attorney to defenestrate landlord |
| 23:23.24 | f00f- | good real-world problems :) |
| 23:23.33 | dmoffett | is there any hope the lawyer will go out as well? |