| 00:01.13 | jerkface03 | what exactly are you classifying/ |
| 00:03.40 | jjt001 | jerkface03: huh"/ |
| 00:03.49 | jjt001 | jerkface03: you have a server rrunning>? |
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| 00:03.59 | jerkface03 | I was talking to duey |
| 00:04.05 | jjt001 | ok |
| 00:04.07 | jjt001 | sorry |
| 00:04.07 | jerkface03 | and now i don't |
| 00:04.10 | jerkface03 | no* |
| 00:04.25 | duey | jerkface03, if an image contains a person or not |
| 00:04.32 | jjt001 | duey: your server have hits? |
| 00:04.37 | Dougie187 | what algo are you using? |
| 00:04.38 | duey | not recently |
| 00:04.44 | jjt001 | when was your last? |
| 00:04.45 | jerkface03 | orly? |
| 00:04.47 | duey | local binary patterns and grayscale histograms |
| 00:04.54 | jerkface03 | what if the person was actually a manokin? |
| 00:05.00 | duey | april 28? |
| 00:05.15 | jjt001 | yep, same here |
| 00:05.17 | jjt001 | intersting |
| 00:05.25 | jjt001 | some dudes were reporting hits on android-channel |
| 00:05.29 | jjt001 | but it was only one or two guys |
| 00:05.45 | jerkface03 | 80% isn't that great you know, if you had a gun turret using your algorithm, 20% of the time the turret wouldn't fire on anyone! |
| 00:05.55 | duey | jerkface03, yeah i know |
| 00:05.59 | duey | but its great for me |
| 00:06.03 | duey | considering its just an assignment |
| 00:06.10 | jjt001 | warbaby: yeo |
| 00:06.10 | jerkface03 | sounds hot tho |
| 00:06.12 | jerkface03 | send me the code |
| 00:06.32 | duey | running the experiment for scene classifcation |
| 00:06.36 | duey | 15 different scenes |
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| 00:06.47 | duey | mountains, buildings etc |
| 00:06.55 | duey | got 77% last time |
| 00:07.00 | duey | hope i get 80+ :d |
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| 00:10.40 | Dougie187 | What kinda algo are you using duey? |
| 00:10.43 | Dougie187 | PCA LDA? |
| 00:11.04 | duey | for the machine learning part im using SMO (small vector machine) |
| 00:11.11 | duey | and also random forests |
| 00:11.18 | Dougie187 | oh ok |
| 00:11.45 | Dougie187 | you should look into pca lda stuff |
| 00:11.48 | Dougie187 | it works pretty well |
| 00:11.55 | Dougie187 | Lots of linear algebra though |
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| 00:12.02 | Dougie187 | i take it your in college? |
| 00:12.06 | duey | yeah |
| 00:12.06 | Dougie187 | for machine learning.. |
| 00:12.08 | duey | but im using weka |
| 00:12.08 | Dougie187 | undergrad? |
| 00:12.21 | Dougie187 | you can use matlab too |
| 00:12.30 | duey | well i come from the uni that creates weka |
| 00:12.34 | duey | so that would be a bad move :) |
| 00:12.36 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 00:12.56 | Dougie187 | there is a group in my dept here that uses weka as well |
| 00:13.12 | duey | yeah im in the ml group here |
| 00:13.19 | Dougie187 | my for my applied computational science lab we had to do a PCA LDA lab on face detection |
| 00:13.46 | duey | i think most people use haar features for face detection |
| 00:13.55 | Dougie187 | i just know about the lab |
| 00:14.02 | Dougie187 | otherwise i dont know a whole lot about face detection |
| 00:14.06 | duey | ah ok |
| 00:14.08 | Dougie187 | or image classification |
| 00:14.39 | duey | well right now i wish i had 100 machines to run this stupid thing on because it takes 30 minutes to run on mine :( |
| 00:17.34 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 00:17.37 | Dougie187 | it happens |
| 00:17.50 | duey | 78.8% |
| 00:17.52 | duey | ah well |
| 00:17.55 | duey | thats pretty decent |
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| 00:27.14 | jasta | has anyone noticed that the iphone sdk has been getting more updates than android's? |
| 00:27.17 | jasta | that seems kind of wrong :) |
| 00:27.50 | donomo | ha |
| 00:28.22 | donomo | is hoping the htc touch diamond secretly has an android port |
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| 00:52.54 | jasta | donomo: it is really sexy, isn't it? :) |
| 01:00.20 | dmoffett | the iPhone sdk update breaks my app each time. |
| 01:00.49 | dmoffett | and to play back audio is pretty crazy on the iPhone. |
| 01:01.02 | dmoffett | Much better on Android. |
| 01:02.19 | f00f- | android sdk updates also break apps, so not much worse |
| 01:02.26 | jasta | really, because the MediaPlayer is totally fucking broken in Android |
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| 01:18.40 | dmoffett | Really |
| 01:19.03 | dmoffett | I had to jump through some hoops but I was able to mix sounds a play back audio. |
| 01:19.24 | dmoffett | I have been coding for a day on iPhone sdk and still have not finsihed. |
| 01:20.04 | dmoffett | No idea on video though. |
| 01:20.58 | jjt001 | dmoffett: your server have any hits/ |
| 01:21.08 | dmoffett | No |
| 01:21.18 | jjt001 | dmoffett: you have a server? |
| 01:21.22 | dmoffett | yes |
| 01:21.26 | jjt001 | no hits at all? |
| 01:21.42 | dmoffett | We did in the first round of course. |
| 01:21.48 | jjt001 | oh, ok |
| 01:21.52 | jjt001 | what's your app? |
| 01:22.05 | dmoffett | a player for VizzVox.com |
| 01:22.42 | dmoffett | Once the results are announced we plan to release the apk for other to use in their apps. |
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| 01:23.14 | dmoffett | We did not expect to win really. |
| 01:23.27 | dmoffett | the app itself does not really have a wide appeal. |
| 01:24.16 | dmoffett | We only started work in Feb. |
| 01:24.50 | jjt001 | ok |
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| 01:27.00 | dmoffett | One thing that helped with mediaplayer was a reset with each new sound to be played. |
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| 01:27.54 | dmoffett | There was still an occasional pop but I think the pop came when something took time away from the emulator on OSX. |
| 01:29.02 | dmoffett | Considering the Android app was downloading media from the net while playing a sound track and voice over we were happy with the results. |
| 01:29.20 | dmoffett | Mixing audio on iPhone seems to be quite a challenge for now. |
| 01:33.38 | dmoffett | Just in case you are interested: |
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| 01:33.57 | dmoffett | that code seemed to do well for playing audio back. |
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| 01:51.30 | jjt001 | so my understanding is nobody on this channel has received a hit in the last two days? |
| 01:51.50 | dmoffett | correct for me. |
| 01:52.21 | jjt001 | i think jasta may have, but he hasn't told me |
| 01:52.24 | jjt001 | jasta: you here? |
| 02:16.32 | michaelnovakjr | jjt001: hits mean absolutely nothing |
| 02:17.21 | michaelnovakjr | dan confirmed this himself.... you don't need to have your server hit to be considered for the top slots |
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| 02:18.04 | jjt001 | michaelnovakjr: i actually don't find that entirely true |
| 02:18.41 | jjt001 | this top 100 judging is supposed to be pretty intense, and i can't imagine a top 50 app being so quickly looked at that its server is not even hit |
| 02:18.48 | jjt001 | that just doesn't make sense to me |
| 02:19.43 | michaelnovakjr | if the judge likes the idea of the app they may not need to hit your server to test it |
| 02:19.49 | michaelnovakjr | certainly that is the case for my app |
| 02:20.21 | michaelnovakjr | mine was hit and tested but that doesn't mean anything |
| 02:20.52 | michaelnovakjr | jjt001: that is not my understanding.... that is exactly what was said |
| 02:21.10 | jjt001 | michaelnovakjr: was yours hit within the last two days/ |
| 02:21.21 | michaelnovakjr | no |
| 02:21.33 | jjt001 | yeah, i guess you could be right |
| 02:21.57 | jjt001 | but think what a great idea an app has to based around to have judges completely trust its UI, server, etc. |
| 02:22.04 | michaelnovakjr | http://www.helloandroid.com/node/532 |
| 02:22.07 | michaelnovakjr | that is the statement |
| 02:22.12 | jjt001 | remember, performance is also a large part of the criteria |
| 02:22.28 | jjt001 | yeah, i've seen it |
| 02:22.36 | michaelnovakjr | so what's confusing about it |
| 02:22.48 | jjt001 | i guess that's applicable for some apps that "did well" |
| 02:22.55 | michaelnovakjr | he stated that some of those crying about no server hits scored well |
| 02:22.56 | jjt001 | but not necessarily for the top 50 |
| 02:23.12 | jjt001 | "did well" does not necessarily (and probably doesn't) equal top 50 |
| 02:23.15 | michaelnovakjr | Judges are just as likely to say "this is cool, I don't need to see any more" as they are to say "this is so uncool, I don't need to see any more." |
| 02:23.37 | jjt001 | i guess |
| 02:23.40 | michaelnovakjr | they are pretty much telling you tailing your logs doesn't actually give you an idea |
| 02:23.50 | michaelnovakjr | just that you are being looked at |
| 02:23.54 | jjt001 | well, i'll just hope and pray then |
| 02:24.00 | jjt001 | no, but one thing is for sure |
| 02:24.02 | michaelnovakjr | that is really all we can do |
| 02:24.09 | jjt001 | people getting hits right now are definitely in the top 100 |
| 02:24.19 | jjt001 | at least people who haven't distributed their apks |
| 02:24.35 | michaelnovakjr | sure, but that doesn't mean that there are 100 people seeing server hits |
| 02:24.45 | jjt001 | clearly some apps don't have servers |
| 02:25.01 | michaelnovakjr | i would see those as possible tie breakers or maybe apps that need further testing |
| 02:25.19 | jjt001 | hmm...you're probably right |
| 02:25.19 | michaelnovakjr | when they decided the top 100 i'm sure some were decided already :) |
| 02:25.38 | jjt001 | actually, i think all the phase 1 scores were discarded |
| 02:25.41 | jjt001 | according to dan |
| 02:25.42 | michaelnovakjr | there's probably apps out there that are just that good that testing was a waste of the judges time |
| 02:25.51 | jjt001 | so all apps in top 100 were equal at start of phase2 |
| 02:26.08 | michaelnovakjr | equal to a point :) its not hard to spot a really kicking app |
| 02:26.21 | jjt001 | right, the idea isn't everything though |
| 02:26.24 | michaelnovakjr | and if that's the case the judge might spend time on two apps that are really close |
| 02:26.35 | jjt001 | if i had a really crappy implementation of a great idea, would i win? |
| 02:26.43 | michaelnovakjr | its possible |
| 02:26.51 | michaelnovakjr | you could have submitted a proof of concept |
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| 02:27.02 | jjt001 | was that acceptable? |
| 02:27.08 | michaelnovakjr | which is a 'hey we can do it, its a great idea and we are developing it' |
| 02:27.13 | jjt001 | i thought you needed an app.. |
| 02:27.15 | michaelnovakjr | it was an option on the form |
| 02:27.16 | jjt001 | an actually apk |
| 02:27.19 | michaelnovakjr | well, yes |
| 02:27.28 | michaelnovakjr | an actual apk can be a proof of concept |
| 02:27.37 | michaelnovakjr | proof is hard evidence it works |
| 02:27.43 | jjt001 | yeah, i see what you're saying |
| 02:27.48 | michaelnovakjr | but might not be feature full or completely ready |
| 02:27.57 | jjt001 | that's the case for almost everyone |
| 02:28.01 | michaelnovakjr | they basically showed the idea is real and they can do it |
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| 02:28.22 | michaelnovakjr | to a point, i saw some really involved apps |
| 02:28.30 | jjt001 | have you seen duo? |
| 02:28.32 | michaelnovakjr | i know mine wasnt :) |
| 02:28.33 | michaelnovakjr | nope |
| 02:28.40 | jjt001 | you should check it out |
| 02:28.48 | jjt001 | it's similar to enkin |
| 02:28.55 | jjt001 | in the fact that it has a lot of eye candy |
| 02:28.58 | michaelnovakjr | i don't think enkin is real |
| 02:29.01 | jjt001 | but it's generating a lot of interest |
| 02:29.10 | jjt001 | there's a video of it though |
| 02:29.14 | michaelnovakjr | its one of those.... i'll believe it when i see it |
| 02:29.24 | michaelnovakjr | theres also a video of a zune with iphone software on it online |
| 02:29.29 | jjt001 | with really precise gps data, i think it's doable |
| 02:29.33 | michaelnovakjr | and someone using it as a touch screen |
| 02:29.48 | jjt001 | lots of algorithms sure, but i think accuracy could be high (in camera mode i mean_ |
| 02:29.50 | michaelnovakjr | precise gps data..... how can you demo that in the emulator? |
| 02:29.58 | jjt001 | no in the video |
| 02:30.05 | jjt001 | the guy had an external chip |
| 02:30.20 | michaelnovakjr | i think its doable, but is it scalable |
| 02:30.33 | michaelnovakjr | some really great ideas hit a brick wall when you try to scale them up |
| 02:30.36 | jjt001 | hmm...but that's a side matter |
| 02:30.47 | michaelnovakjr | depends on your app |
| 02:30.57 | michaelnovakjr | my app needs to scale otherwise its not really all that useful |
| 02:31.12 | jjt001 | but if the judges grade on scalability, then they have to grade on UI qaulity, etc. |
| 02:31.18 | jjt001 | what we were talking about before |
| 02:31.23 | jjt001 | idea vs. implementation |
| 02:31.46 | michaelnovakjr | true, which is the judges choice |
| 02:32.00 | michaelnovakjr | there's no way to tell what each judge prefers |
| 02:32.04 | jjt001 | right |
| 02:32.10 | michaelnovakjr | that is until the results come out :) |
| 02:32.16 | jjt001 | has jasta gotten any hits? |
| 02:32.18 | jjt001 | recently |
| 02:32.23 | michaelnovakjr | hasn't said anything |
| 02:32.28 | jjt001 | then i guess not |
| 02:32.32 | jjt001 | or he's pretty modest |
| 02:32.52 | michaelnovakjr | i doubt the latter |
| 02:32.58 | jjt001 | i agree |
| 02:33.07 | jjt001 | but his is pretty involved to test out |
| 02:33.13 | jjt001 | you have to sign up, etc. |
| 02:33.16 | jjt001 | i believe |
| 02:33.23 | michaelnovakjr | my app would save lots of lives and be a help to the community as a whole.... doesn't mean i'll win :) |
| 02:33.44 | michaelnovakjr | i am actually preparing for not winning |
| 02:33.45 | jjt001 | true |
| 02:33.53 | jjt001 | of course, everyone has to do that |
| 02:33.57 | jjt001 | you can't expect to win |
| 02:34.01 | michaelnovakjr | exactly |
| 02:34.22 | michaelnovakjr | i would love to release my features this week as a test program |
| 02:34.29 | michaelnovakjr | only due to scaling issues with hardware |
| 02:34.37 | jjt001 | servers? |
| 02:34.45 | michaelnovakjr | yea, need more :( |
| 02:34.54 | jjt001 | i'm using my home computer as a server |
| 02:35.03 | michaelnovakjr | i have ibm servers running the show |
| 02:35.08 | michaelnovakjr | but only a few |
| 02:35.12 | jjt001 | nice, you've invested a lot |
| 02:35.17 | michaelnovakjr | indeed |
| 02:35.18 | jjt001 | alright g2g |
| 02:35.22 | jjt001 | nice talking to you |
| 02:35.30 | michaelnovakjr | same here, good luck! stay sane! |
| 02:35.35 | jjt001 | you too |
| 02:35.40 | michaelnovakjr | thanks |
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| 03:34.21 | jasta | lol, people on the android groups are idiots :) |
| 03:36.46 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 03:37.19 | jasta | i feel bad for morrildl for feeling obliged to respond :) |
| 03:37.20 | michaelnovakjr | if their apps are like them we might be looking good :) |
| 03:37.43 | jasta | i saw one app a while ago that really had me scratching my head |
| 03:37.45 | michaelnovakjr | what's the stupid question of the hour now? |
| 03:37.55 | jasta | it had a very elaborate UI, to the point that i was stunned. |
| 03:38.04 | jasta | the amount of work involved must have been staggering |
| 03:38.16 | jasta | and yet, the app itself made no sense. it also was very hard to use. |
| 03:38.29 | michaelnovakjr | i am excited! i have sms services up for weatherphone! |
| 03:38.32 | jasta | like, it had you editing HTML fron an Android text widget. |
| 03:38.42 | michaelnovakjr | huh? |
| 03:38.43 | jasta | hang on let me find the link |
| 03:38.55 | michaelnovakjr | wow, why would anyone want to type html on a phone? |
| 03:39.08 | michaelnovakjr | i barely want to do it on a computer :) |
| 03:39.21 | jasta | right, it was so strange |
| 03:39.26 | jasta | because the app itself was *HUGE* |
| 03:39.35 | jasta | i mean the guy clearly put a LOT of energy into it |
| 03:39.45 | michaelnovakjr | damn |
| 03:40.04 | jasta | but the UI was totally crazy. he designed the whole thing like it was a mediocre web app |
| 03:40.15 | jasta | im trying to remember the name |
| 03:42.47 | jasta | you know i honestly dont remember enough about this app to find it |
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| 03:42.58 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 03:43.18 | convivial | hi |
| 03:43.44 | michaelnovakjr | howdy |
| 03:45.30 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, the sms service i setup allows users to opt for txt messaging for low powered devices |
| 03:46.40 | dmoffett | Do you have to use a commercial service to send sms? |
| 03:47.14 | michaelnovakjr | no i run my own servers |
| 03:47.33 | dmoffett | thank you. |
| 03:47.42 | michaelnovakjr | i want to put it through extensive testing |
| 03:47.56 | michaelnovakjr | my initial testing were excellent |
| 03:48.00 | michaelnovakjr | was * |
| 03:48.40 | dmoffett | So the server knows how to sms to each service provider? |
| 03:48.57 | michaelnovakjr | yep |
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| 04:03.10 | michaelnovakjr | dmoffett: i am gearing up to release the test version of sms friday |
| 04:03.29 | michaelnovakjr | the server system is in tact and running the services, just getting the website ready to register users |
| 04:04.22 | dmoffett | If you are looking for testers I can spare some time at night and on the week ends. |
| 04:04.48 | michaelnovakjr | well, as far as testers go, its going to be released and users can sign up to get warnings on their phones |
| 04:05.10 | dmoffett | Cool |
| 04:05.11 | michaelnovakjr | the server system has been load tested and tested for accuracy already |
| 04:07.36 | Kraln | michaelnovakjr: cool |
| 04:07.49 | michaelnovakjr | i'm excited for it |
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| 05:38.32 | warcaptain | hey |
| 05:38.37 | jasta | hi |
| 05:38.45 | warcaptain | so i have a question |
| 05:38.53 | jasta | shoot |
| 05:39.00 | warcaptain | i want to get a new cell phone.. i hate my old 5 year old verizon phone |
| 05:39.09 | warcaptain | i want to switch to a GSM carrier.. i want a smartphone |
| 05:39.18 | warcaptain | preferably the T-Mobile Wing |
| 05:39.21 | jasta | you are in the wrong channel, buddy. |
| 05:39.30 | warcaptain | no no wait |
| 05:39.41 | warcaptain | i want to use an android phone though |
| 05:39.45 | jasta | ok, but if you start trolling i'll just ignore you |
| 05:39.52 | warcaptain | ... trolling? |
| 05:39.56 | warcaptain | im just explaining my question |
| 05:40.23 | muthu | warcaptain: android phone only in 2nd half of 2008 |
| 05:41.21 | warcaptain | but one is coming out? |
| 05:41.27 | muthu | oh yeah |
| 05:41.33 | jasta | many are, and you don't know anything about them. and neither do we. |
| 05:41.37 | jasta | that's why you're in the wrong channel. |
| 05:41.47 | warcaptain | what channel should i be in then/ |
| 05:41.57 | jasta | go buy an iphone. |
| 05:42.03 | muthu | oh oh wait |
| 05:42.06 | muthu | don't do it |
| 05:42.12 | muthu | buy an android phone, in fall |
| 05:42.26 | warcaptain | i imagine itll be out on T-Mobile? |
| 05:42.36 | muthu | vodafone? |
| 05:43.04 | warcaptain | verizon? |
| 05:43.27 | muthu | may be in US yes |
| 05:43.38 | warcaptain | really? |
| 05:43.43 | warcaptain | verizon isnt even a part of the OHA |
| 05:43.50 | warcaptain | i wanted to leave verizon :( |
| 05:44.10 | jasta | verizon will probably not release an android phone |
| 05:44.21 | jasta | but we don't know, so again, you can't make this decision with information you have now. |
| 05:44.25 | muthu | jasta: who's doing it in US? |
| 05:44.33 | muthu | arghh.. i'm confused here |
| 05:44.41 | muthu | sorry, yeah vodafone is bringing iphone |
| 05:44.56 | warcaptain | verizon is going to get an iphone? |
| 05:44.57 | warcaptain | i doubt it |
| 05:45.05 | warcaptain | i imagine the other GSM places would get it first |
| 05:45.08 | muthu | warcaptain: vodaphone for iphone |
| 05:45.13 | muthu | in europe and asia |
| 05:45.22 | warcaptain | oh sorry im talking about USA |
| 05:45.36 | warcaptain | how is europe cell phones? |
| 05:45.40 | warcaptain | as cheap and over priced as in USA? |
| 05:46.25 | muthu | overpriced |
| 05:46.26 | muthu | very |
| 05:46.35 | muthu | in india atleast |
| 05:46.58 | muthu | iphone $500 for 2G |
| 05:47.16 | jasta | wait for the 3G version in june, then |
| 05:47.35 | jasta | or buy some lame windows mobile phone. that, at least, will give you an appreciation for android when it does come out ;) |
| 05:47.36 | muthu | jasta: apple dumps the 2G in india |
| 05:47.39 | muthu | so you can get your 3G |
| 05:48.20 | jasta | but you're the only one involved in this conversation that lives in india, so why would that matter? |
| 05:48.31 | muthu | true |
| 05:50.43 | warcaptain | so wait until november? |
| 05:50.51 | warcaptain | thats so far away.. will it be worth it? |
| 05:51.02 | muthu | yes |
| 05:51.04 | warcaptain | or should i just get a windows mobile phone now and wait 2 years for an awesome android phone to come out |
| 05:51.12 | muthu | wait until fall |
| 05:51.16 | muthu | it'll be worth it |
| 05:51.20 | muthu | a lot |
| 05:51.54 | jasta | when muthu says yes, do realize that he means "I THINK" yes. |
| 05:52.02 | muthu | haha |
| 05:52.14 | jasta | what information do you suppose we have that you do not? |
| 05:52.32 | jasta | actually, it's a good idea to prefix "I THINK" to everything he says ;) |
| 05:52.43 | muthu | jasta: i've repeatedly proven to you i am always right |
| 05:52.53 | jasta | false |
| 05:52.58 | muthu | true |
| 05:53.43 | jasta | i do believe you in this particular case, of course |
| 05:53.50 | muthu | thanks |
| 05:53.57 | muthu | you've seen the light then ;) |
| 05:54.03 | jasta | but it's still a good idea to occassionally remind the folks you're talking to that you are giving opinions, and not facts. |
| 05:54.20 | jasta | well, why on earth would i waste my time developing for a platform that i personally thought was going to fail? |
| 05:54.38 | muthu | yeah why would you do that? |
| 05:54.41 | jasta | the point is, i made that decision based on all the same information warcaptain has, but he obviously arrived at a more skeptical and reserved conclusion. |
| 05:54.54 | muthu | warcaptain: is more of an end user |
| 05:54.59 | warcaptain | definitely |
| 05:55.08 | muthu | he wants something in his hands now |
| 05:55.12 | jasta | he seems more like a troll, actually |
| 05:55.15 | warcaptain | -_- |
| 05:55.18 | muthu | haha |
| 05:55.40 | jasta | he approached us wanting our opinions installed into his brain, which is ridiculous. |
| 05:55.49 | muthu | lol |
| 05:55.55 | warcaptain | eh |
| 05:55.58 | muthu | guess he wanted some suggestions |
| 05:56.01 | warcaptain | no i wanted to see if you knew something i didnt |
| 05:56.10 | jasta | warcaptain: we don't. |
| 05:56.11 | muthu | warcaptain: you are in the right place |
| 05:56.18 | muthu | wait for the GPhone |
| 05:56.23 | muthu | you'll be happy you did |
| 05:56.39 | jasta | we do have a LOT of unsubstantiated rumors, most of which were generated by muthu ;) |
| 05:56.55 | muthu | jasta: can you tell the world, a rumor that i spread? |
| 05:56.56 | warcaptain | do you think the cost would be subsidised by the carrier? |
| 05:57.04 | warcaptain | like.. would i need to sign a contract? |
| 05:57.04 | muthu | i report facts |
| 05:57.07 | jasta | warcaptain: we have no idea. |
| 05:57.23 | muthu | warcaptain: the GPhone will be cheaper |
| 05:57.28 | muthu | and more functional |
| 05:57.32 | jasta | trust me, we have very limited details about the roll out of this platform. all that we know which you don't is the innards of the API and framework. |
| 05:58.13 | warcaptain | because the TMobile Wing I could get for free |
| 05:58.44 | warcaptain | so unless the "gphone" (your word not mine) was subsidised with new contracts i wouldnt lose out if i changed now. |
| 05:59.35 | jasta | right, but as i said, we do not have this information. |
| 05:59.42 | jasta | nor do we have any information about the platform roll out. |
| 05:59.51 | jasta | or how it will interact with the carriers, what phones will be available, etc. |
| 06:00.38 | warcaptain | ok |
| 06:00.38 | jasta | that said, after google announces the winners to the ADC, then you will have some idea what the phone will be capable of and can then decide if it's worth it for you. |
| 06:00.48 | warcaptain | oh really its worth it to wait |
| 06:00.54 | warcaptain | and if theres no way i can have my cake and eat it too.. ill wait |
| 06:01.20 | jasta | i don't see how you have magically come to a conclusion without receiving any additional information |
| 06:01.41 | warcaptain | to the conclusion about wanting to wait for an android phone? |
| 06:01.43 | muthu | warcaptain: wait until gphones are out |
| 06:01.47 | jasta | warcaptain: yes. |
| 06:02.13 | warcaptain | jasta: the new information i got was that one is coming out this year |
| 06:02.26 | jasta | well that you could have found reading the android web page. |
| 06:02.37 | jasta | if you haven't already, read the android FAQ. |
| 06:03.15 | jasta | my general advice to you, though, is to just ignore android until it has had more time to bake. |
| 06:03.27 | muthu | jasta: are the results out today? |
| 06:03.32 | muthu | May 7? |
| 06:03.39 | jasta | i really doubt it, based on what Dan has said. |
| 06:03.50 | muthu | he's making a joke about dates.. |
| 06:03.57 | muthu | which means May 9 is my guess |
| 06:04.00 | jasta | Dan said that the results are to be in from the judges by Wed, then some legal proceedings, then the announcement. |
| 06:04.13 | jasta | so tomorrow seems like a real long shot |
| 06:04.23 | muthu | right |
| 06:04.44 | jasta | honestly, with the pattern this whole thing has taken i wouldn't be surprised if we had to wait until next fuckin Monday :) |
| 06:04.52 | muthu | nope |
| 06:04.56 | muthu | may 9 - final |
| 06:05.01 | jasta | which is really crazy, because we have to get our asses in gear if we win! |
| 06:05.09 | muthu | when phase II due? |
| 06:05.13 | jasta | less than 60 days to submit for round 2! |
| 06:05.16 | jasta | the end of June |
| 06:05.20 | muthu | jun 30? |
| 06:05.27 | jasta | yeah |
| 06:05.36 | muthu | ok.. so like 50 days |
| 06:06.45 | jasta | i can't speak for everyone of course, but i would be surprised if i was able to bring my app to maturity even by then. |
| 06:06.54 | jasta | i would need time AFTER the challenge to get it ready to launch even still |
| 06:07.09 | muthu | right |
| 06:07.16 | muthu | anyway you don't have the device |
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| 06:07.20 | jasta | though i'm hoping to open source my app this weekend. hopefully i can get some poor suckers to help me code :) |
| 06:07.32 | muthu | that would be a great idea |
| 06:07.42 | muthu | you can attract some real good developers |
| 06:07.51 | jasta | the only reason i haven't so far is because there's bits that are hard coded |
| 06:08.00 | jasta | and obviously that would confuse people. |
| 06:08.21 | jasta | up until a week ago, the path to the music that the server scans was hard-coded hehe |
| 06:08.31 | muthu | 20 out of 50 right |
| 06:08.38 | jasta | so i basically have to fix all that then write up a quick little "here's how to get it running" and i can show off the source |
| 06:08.55 | muthu | cool |
| 06:09.14 | jasta | the server makes a little systray icon now ;) |
| 06:09.17 | jasta | it's great. |
| 06:09.29 | muthu | wow, you are really polishing it now |
| 06:09.49 | jasta | well think about the timeline here |
| 06:10.00 | jasta | these people don't have nearly as much time as they are assuming. |
| 06:10.09 | muthu | correct |
| 06:10.12 | jasta | i mean, when the phone launches your app needs to be mature and ready to go. |
| 06:10.21 | muthu | that's still some time to go |
| 06:10.26 | jasta | bringing an app from an idea to a mature, stable piece of software is a LOT of work |
| 06:10.29 | muthu | but the PII deadline will be near |
| 06:10.32 | jasta | more work than prototyping it. |
| 06:10.45 | jasta | i think a lot of the developers in the ADC are very inexperienced. |
| 06:10.54 | muthu | how so? |
| 06:11.02 | jasta | i'm sure many of them are very talented, but i doubt many of them have experience with product lifecycle :) |
| 06:11.17 | muthu | why? |
| 06:11.33 | jasta | well, just a lot of chatter about polish not being important, and how it's really just about a prototype. |
| 06:11.59 | muthu | thats for the challenge |
| 06:12.09 | jasta | unless you've really taken a significant project through to maturity, it would be easy to think the prototype and proof-of-concept is the hardest, most time consuming part. |
| 06:12.22 | jasta | but it isn't, ever ;) |
| 06:12.40 | muthu | implementation is important |
| 06:12.45 | muthu | but i feel enough time is available |
| 06:12.54 | muthu | since the devices are only late in fall |
| 06:12.56 | jasta | muthu: right, but the challenge just coincides with a real product lifecycle. I mean, challenge aside, you still have to have an app that is ready to go :) |
| 06:13.07 | muthu | jasta: nov |
| 06:13.10 | muthu | not now |
| 06:13.11 | jasta | like i said, a lot of folks underestimating how hard it is to take a project through to maturity |
| 06:13.26 | jasta | ...i've done it twice ;) |
| 06:13.32 | muthu | cool |
| 06:13.41 | muthu | real experience counts |
| 06:13.49 | muthu | a lot |
| 06:14.28 | jasta | there's all sorts of stuff that inexperienced developers miss. |
| 06:14.43 | muthu | like what? |
| 06:14.45 | jasta | like, for example, documentation. |
| 06:15.04 | muthu | yeah docs |
| 06:15.19 | jasta | putting together a web site to let people access it, creating a community around it all. |
| 06:15.33 | jasta | documenting the project itself, and if its open, the code. |
| 06:16.12 | jasta | polishing all the UI, removing everything temporary, but still leaving enough logging and shit in that if someone comes to you and says "IT BROKE!" you can figure out why. |
| 06:16.24 | jasta | because, trust me, that will happen. |
| 06:16.29 | muthu | right |
| 06:16.54 | muthu | by that time hopefully you have a company |
| 06:17.18 | jasta | i am getting the feeling that most of the ADC contestants are not going on to start a company around their apps. |
| 06:17.50 | jasta | myself included |
| 06:17.50 | muthu | depends |
| 06:17.53 | muthu | on what your product is and who the audience are |
| 06:18.34 | jasta | i realize that, but i'm just saying that i doubt that will be the common case. |
| 06:18.46 | jasta | at any rate, creating a company introduces a whole new set of challenges. |
| 06:18.54 | jasta | and very time consuming ones indeed |
| 06:19.03 | muthu | yup |
| 06:19.13 | muthu | call me |
| 06:19.14 | jasta | it would certainly be hard to establish a successfully operating company in under 6 months while simultaneously preparing your only product for commercial launch |
| 06:19.17 | muthu | i'll run your company |
| 06:19.19 | muthu | hehe |
| 06:19.35 | jasta | but these are all things inexperienced folks do not see ;) |
| 06:19.52 | muthu | jasta: you'll be surprised how many winners are actually doing it |
| 06:20.11 | jasta | i dont think i will be |
| 06:20.18 | jasta | even still, im sure a lot of folks will try, and most will fail. |
| 06:20.33 | muthu | in starting a company? |
| 06:20.47 | jasta | another folly of the young ;) |
| 06:20.50 | jasta | yeah |
| 06:21.00 | jasta | establishing a successful, profitable company is very hard work indeed. |
| 06:21.14 | muthu | indeed! |
| 06:21.14 | jasta | and it usually takes a LONG time and a lot of hard work. |
| 06:21.21 | jasta | it doesn't just poof into existence because you have a need for it |
| 06:21.32 | muthu | how did google happen? |
| 06:21.57 | jasta | with a lot of time and hard work, i'm sure. |
| 06:22.06 | jasta | a significant personal investment on the part of both of its founders. |
| 06:22.12 | muthu | passion |
| 06:22.44 | jasta | are you just speaking rhetorically? |
| 06:23.05 | muthu | is foremost |
| 06:23.10 | jasta | what? |
| 06:23.26 | muthu | i just coined a word, for what you were describing |
| 06:23.39 | muthu | Long time, hard work.. |
| 06:23.42 | muthu | passion! |
| 06:23.54 | jasta | uhm, that word already exists muthu. |
| 06:24.18 | muthu | really? |
| 06:24.20 | muthu | lol |
| 06:24.29 | jasta | you're a strange fellow |
| 06:24.37 | muthu | strange? come on |
| 06:24.46 | muthu | you called me insane |
| 06:24.52 | muthu | then an idiot |
| 06:24.59 | muthu | then a fool |
| 06:25.02 | muthu | now strange |
| 06:25.18 | muthu | i'm not sure what you'll call me tomorrow |
| 06:25.22 | muthu | ???? |
| 06:26.14 | jasta | i did not call you an idiot ;) |
| 06:26.15 | muthu | :-) |
| 06:26.24 | jasta | but you are insane, foolish, and strange ;) |
| 06:26.30 | muthu | jasta: you must have called everyone an idiot atleast once |
| 06:26.39 | muthu | that much i know |
| 06:26.40 | jasta | they make sense to coexist, too |
| 06:27.00 | muthu | i've seen it many times on this channel, you calling people idiots |
| 06:27.18 | muthu | hehe |
| 06:27.19 | jasta | my apologies? i have a short fuse. |
| 06:27.26 | muthu | kidding |
| 06:27.55 | jasta | it's mostly IRC. if idiots could fly, IRC would be an airport. |
| 06:28.03 | muthu | haha |
| 06:29.10 | jasta | i just get frustrated responding to poorly developed thoughts. |
| 06:29.36 | muthu | if you engage with them |
| 06:29.45 | muthu | there might be something useful you can learn |
| 06:29.46 | muthu | may be |
| 06:30.05 | jasta | i would only learn to ignore them. but that is something useful i could learn :) |
| 06:30.26 | jtoy | i didnt get notified yet!!! |
| 06:30.31 | jasta | if it pleases you, i will try to keep my tongue more civil. |
| 06:30.41 | jasta | really, i can do it hehe |
| 06:31.14 | jasta | jtoy: Google is taking their sweet time. We don't really have a good idea when they will be announcing. Probably this week though. |
| 06:31.18 | jasta | Maybe Friday? Bleh. |
| 06:34.00 | f00f- | done any coding lately jasta? |
| 06:34.19 | jasta | not as much this week. but some. |
| 06:34.50 | jasta | i'm hoping to code Friday and Sunday. |
| 06:35.01 | jasta | but the girlfriend and mother's day may get in the way :) |
| 06:35.36 | jasta | why do you ask? |
| 06:35.40 | f00f- | haha, certainly |
| 06:36.05 | f00f- | i just want to gauge potential top submissions' Phase II preparedness :) |
| 06:36.28 | jasta | oh i have certainly had my eye on round 2. |
| 06:36.32 | jasta | i see it coming ;) |
| 06:36.53 | muthu | the phase II folks will get a device |
| 06:37.12 | jasta | remember to add "I THINK" ;) |
| 06:37.17 | f00f- | muthu: your crystal ball has proven right many times, right? |
| 06:37.19 | muthu | i think |
| 06:37.22 | muthu | haha |
| 06:37.40 | muthu | f00f-: the crystal ball is always right |
| 06:37.49 | jasta | i can't listen to this drivel :) |
| 06:37.53 | jasta | i am gonna go to bed |
| 06:37.59 | jasta | night folks |
| 06:38.01 | f00f- | haha |
| 06:38.04 | f00f- | take it easy, nite |
| 06:38.04 | muthu | gn |
| 06:39.14 | muthu | http://www.flickr.com/photos/dalmaer/2470678951/ |
| 06:39.20 | muthu | just 1 screen? |
| 06:39.26 | muthu | must have been a terrible demo |
| 06:39.53 | f00f- | rofl |
| 06:40.58 | muthu | guess it was a quick hack |
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| 07:42.19 | cutmasta | mornin |
| 07:44.38 | jerkface03 | hie |
| 07:44.54 | jerkface03 | it's wednesday and there's still no results up |
| 07:45.07 | jerkface03 | who wants to start an adc intifada with me? |
| 07:46.15 | cutmasta | lol |
| 07:46.31 | cutmasta | jerkface03, good idea |
| 07:46.39 | cutmasta | but as always in software business |
| 07:46.50 | cutmasta | decisions take always longer than planned |
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| 09:14.49 | ligi | hi everyone |
| 09:15.38 | muthu | hey |
| 09:15.57 | ligi | it's may 7 !-) |
| 09:16.58 | muthu | oh yes |
| 09:17.00 | muthu | waiting... |
| 09:17.38 | ligi | muthu: look into your spam folder |
| 09:17.55 | cutmasta | muthu, did not find any time yesterday |
| 09:19.00 | cutmasta | but i found time to change the logo on androidportal |
| 09:19.24 | ligi | cutmasta: nice |
| 09:19.55 | cutmasta | ligi, hopefully the google lawyers will not stress me because i used their logo |
| 09:20.06 | ligi | cutmasta: i dont think so |
| 09:20.12 | ligi | its publicity for them |
| 09:20.14 | ligi | imho |
| 09:20.22 | ligi | but i'm no lawyer |
| 09:20.27 | cutmasta | yes, but trademarks are trademarks |
| 09:20.28 | cutmasta | imho |
| 09:20.29 | cutmasta | :) |
| 09:20.35 | cutmasta | i know this from my comp |
| 09:21.06 | ligi | cutmasta: but i would put the android label on the banner to the top - now its mixed with the navigation links |
| 09:21.21 | ligi | hard to read |
| 09:21.48 | cutmasta | i removed it |
| 09:22.35 | ligi | nt nav? |
| 09:22.41 | ligi | the nav i mean |
| 09:23.44 | ligi | it would be cool when the google folks would tell the (1788-100) that they lost |
| 09:24.36 | ligi | dont knowing exactly that u lost iss a hard time |
| 09:24.37 | cutmasta | ligi, i removed the "news about blalala" |
| 09:24.50 | ligi | cutmasta: k |
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| 09:24.58 | cutmasta | for me its fine |
| 09:25.00 | cutmasta | or not? |
| 09:25.15 | ligi | yes |
| 09:25.59 | ligi | morrildl: news about the timing? |
| 09:26.32 | cutmasta | ligi, morrildl is away since 10 hours |
| 09:26.42 | ligi | so wake him up |
| 09:27.24 | ligi | i'm 99% sure that i'm out - butt i wanna eleminate the 1% |
| 09:27.37 | ligi | this 1% is decreasing my productivity |
| 09:27.39 | cutmasta | shakes morrildl , wake up ! |
| 09:27.42 | cutmasta | ;) |
| 09:29.35 | ligi | cutmasta: der iss bestimmt bei dem geschwätz der anwälte eingeschlafen - das kann dauern |
| 09:31.14 | cutmasta | hehe |
| 09:31.29 | cutmasta | somebody knows howto activate rss feed in wordpress? |
| 09:31.46 | ligi | never used wordpress |
| 09:32.08 | ligi | but there is a feed on ur portal |
| 09:32.11 | ligi | http://www.android-portal.com/feed/atom/ |
| 09:32.45 | cutmasta | ups |
| 09:32.46 | cutmasta | ok |
| 09:32.47 | cutmasta | :) |
| 09:32.49 | cutmasta | thx |
| 09:32.54 | cutmasta | did not know |
| 09:32.58 | ligi | ^^ |
| 09:33.10 | ligi | allready subscribed |
| 09:33.11 | ligi | ^^ |
| 09:34.14 | ligi | whats the time in the google HQ? |
| 09:35.52 | tomgibara | ligi: 2:35am |
| 09:36.04 | ligi | tomgibara: thanx |
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| 11:38.43 | muthu | people get hit as of today, as per the forums |
| 11:38.54 | zhobbs | one of my apps did |
| 11:39.02 | muthu | zhobbs: man, where were you? |
| 11:39.05 | muthu | congrats! |
| 11:39.13 | zhobbs | haha |
| 11:39.19 | zhobbs | working full time blows |
| 11:39.22 | muthu | really, we were all searching for you |
| 11:39.34 | zhobbs | I know |
| 11:39.34 | muthu | is it 1 out of 2? |
| 11:39.43 | zhobbs | I don't know about the other |
| 11:39.51 | muthu | cool, are you in florida now? |
| 11:39.54 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 11:40.00 | muthu | great |
| 11:40.17 | muthu | so the judges are working the deadlines heh? |
| 11:40.28 | zhobbs | yeah, guess so |
| 11:40.42 | muthu | are the results out today? |
| 11:40.57 | zhobbs | who knows, sometime this week though |
| 11:41.10 | zhobbs | ok....gotta go to work :) |
| 11:41.27 | zhobbs | I'll post a story about one of my submissions later today |
| 11:41.45 | muthu | cool |
| 11:41.46 | muthu | do it |
| 11:41.54 | zhobbs | android.tunewiki.com |
| 11:42.14 | zhobbs | cya |
| 11:42.17 | muthu | oh great |
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| 12:30.32 | Dougie187 | Good morning |
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| 12:37.33 | muthu | mornin |
| 12:38.47 | Dougie187 | how are you muthu? |
| 12:38.59 | ligi | namaskar muthu |
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| 12:42.27 | muthu | namaskar ligi |
| 12:42.33 | muthu | good donomo |
| 12:42.36 | muthu | good Dougie187 |
| 12:42.43 | Dougie187 | thats good |
| 12:46.07 | Dougie187 | whats new today? |
| 12:46.50 | muthu | nothin |
| 12:46.51 | muthu | same old |
| 12:46.55 | muthu | waitin |
| 12:47.04 | Dougie187 | sounds like a party |
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| 13:18.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | woohooo... did someone say party! |
| 13:19.44 | poffy | no |
| 13:20.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | Dougie187: sounds like a party |
| 13:20.44 | Dougie187 | yes i did |
| 13:20.46 | Dougie187 | Party! |
| 13:20.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 13:20.57 | poffy | You can have your parties |
| 13:20.58 | Dougie187 | dont take away my thunder poffy |
| 13:21.05 | poffy | I have to go take a math final |
| 13:21.07 | poffy | :| |
| 13:21.13 | Dougie187 | that sounds like a party as well |
| 13:21.23 | poffy | Oh yes, quite |
| 13:21.25 | convivial | yes and hi |
| 13:23.49 | michaelnovakjr__ | SMS services from weatherphone go live on friday, would people not sign up for the service if they had to pay 99 cents once you think? |
| 13:25.21 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: yes, they'll sign up |
| 13:25.29 | muthu | those living in rough weather atleast |
| 13:25.49 | michaelnovakjr__ | that is what i figured, in the end the 99 cents will help provide better service |
| 13:26.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'm excited for this service |
| 13:26.42 | Dougie187 | I would think 99 cents wouldnt be too much |
| 13:26.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | and that's only to sign up, its not monthly or yearly |
| 13:27.02 | Dougie187 | you will have to find a way to advertise your service |
| 13:27.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes |
| 13:27.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | this is more of a soft launch, making it available with a few announcements, i want to see how that goes |
| 13:28.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | the services are complete, just finishing up the website for it |
| 13:28.49 | Dougie187 | so they are strictly sms now? |
| 13:28.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | this part of the service |
| 13:29.00 | Dougie187 | no cell application yet |
| 13:29.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am working on various applications for win mobile, blackberry, (iphone this summer), etc. But for those with simple phones the SMS option seems the best fit |
| 13:29.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | simple not overkill |
| 13:30.00 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 13:30.00 | michaelnovakjr__ | and of course android has one :) |
| 13:30.05 | Dougie187 | of course |
| 13:30.09 | Dougie187 | thats the main interest |
| 13:30.10 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 13:30.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes |
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| 13:30.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | android's version will be the most innovative |
| 13:32.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | the server side software is very scalable and very efficient so the initial push can support 100,000 |
| 13:33.18 | Dougie187 | thats pretty cool |
| 13:33.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | and it covers all zip codes in the United States |
| 13:34.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am looking to support international locations once the systems are running. |
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| 13:35.26 | Dougie187 | are international locations as easy as US locations? |
| 13:36.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | at first glance not really, but i am going to work hard to make it happen, especially in areas prone to weather disasters. |
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| 13:46.58 | convivial | away reading... |
| 13:47.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | reading? |
| 13:49.03 | ligi | michaelnovakjr__: the result email ^^ |
| 13:49.12 | ligi | its May 7. |
| 13:49.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | good one |
| 13:49.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | May 7 was just another prediction |
| 13:49.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | not official |
| 13:50.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | and plus, its still only 7 in cali |
| 13:50.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
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| 14:41.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | quiet |
| 14:42.46 | muthu | very quiet |
| 14:43.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 14:45.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | 1 hour and 15 minutes .... |
| 14:47.52 | morrildl | michaelnovakjr__: for what? |
| 14:48.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | till its 9 in california :) |
| 14:48.15 | morrildl | okay, that is a true statement |
| 14:48.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 14:48.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | lunchtime for me :) |
| 14:49.30 | muthu | morrildl: is it coming out today? |
| 14:51.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | it will arrive precisely when it is intended to, not early and not late :) |
| 14:51.20 | muthu | haha |
| 14:51.38 | muthu | that's the standard droid response |
| 14:51.41 | morrildl | muthu: I'm not sure, I did get the blue throbbing thing on my Wii, but I haven't had time to check and I didn't think the indy-developer "WiiWare" channel was coming out this soon |
| 14:51.52 | morrildl | at least, I assume that's what you were asking about |
| 14:52.11 | muthu | morrildl: lately you are having too much fun ;) |
| 14:52.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) see there you go, no you can sleep soundly |
| 14:52.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | now you can ** |
| 14:52.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | i totally would too :) |
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| 14:54.29 | muthu | its coming today |
| 14:54.39 | chadkouse | what is ? |
| 14:54.57 | muthu | chadkouse: can you guess? |
| 14:55.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | flying pigs !! |
| 14:55.08 | michaelnovakjr__ | damn i knew it |
| 14:55.10 | muthu | lol |
| 14:55.14 | chadkouse | hmm... |
| 14:55.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | flying pigs are real! |
| 14:55.19 | chadkouse | end of the world ? |
| 14:55.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'm going to tell my mommy, be back! |
| 14:56.07 | muthu | any winners got any email? |
| 14:56.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | i did |
| 14:56.28 | chadkouse | I was hit by a judge in Spain about 7 hours ago... |
| 14:56.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | but i won a free towel |
| 14:56.32 | chadkouse | are you sure it's coming today ? |
| 14:56.42 | muthu | chadkouse: really? |
| 14:56.44 | chadkouse | yeah |
| 14:56.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | ::server hits mean nothing:: |
| 14:56.52 | muthu | ok.. so the judging is still on |
| 14:57.06 | chadkouse | i'd say so. |
| 14:57.13 | chadkouse | I've been hit every day since 5/3 |
| 14:57.46 | muthu | impressive |
| 14:57.51 | chadkouse | well.. they could mean ::something:: |
| 14:57.59 | chadkouse | it means someone is looking at our app... |
| 14:58.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | sure it definitely means that :) |
| 14:58.16 | chadkouse | heh |
| 14:58.17 | muthu | chadkouse: what's your app? |
| 14:58.22 | chadkouse | they could be laughing at it. |
| 14:58.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 14:58.31 | chadkouse | "dude.. look at this... what a piece of crap" |
| 14:58.45 | chadkouse | "send this to Rico in spain.. he's gotta see this..." |
| 14:58.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | like.... hey man check this out..... come look come look......... hahahahahahahahaha! |
| 14:59.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | what is your app? |
| 14:59.40 | chadkouse | it's a media player |
| 15:00.00 | michaelnovakjr__ | what kind? |
| 15:00.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | standard audio/video? |
| 15:00.08 | chadkouse | all porn |
| 15:00.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | sweeet |
| 15:00.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | no wonder you have been getting hits! |
| 15:00.34 | chadkouse | heh.. no it's kinda standard... with some stuff that nobody else has ever done before added in.. |
| 15:01.01 | michaelnovakjr__ | ::quickly doing the competitive app:: |
| 15:01.17 | muthu | what kind of stuff added? |
| 15:01.23 | chadkouse | Zach helped us write it... well really it's more like we helped him... he did most of the heavy lifting |
| 15:01.31 | muthu | ohhh got it |
| 15:01.38 | muthu | you have a website? |
| 15:01.51 | chadkouse | yeah but I don't really want to give out too much... |
| 15:02.02 | muthu | why?> |
| 15:02.13 | chadkouse | I dunno... |
| 15:02.19 | chadkouse | paranoid I guess |
| 15:02.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | of what people liking it and using it? |
| 15:02.43 | chadkouse | haha.. true... |
| 15:03.02 | muthu | i understand |
| 15:03.50 | chadkouse | but yeah I don't know if the results are coming today... |
| 15:03.55 | chadkouse | I'm sure they still COULD be |
| 15:04.05 | chadkouse | but I'm leaning towards tomorrow or Friday |
| 15:04.39 | muthu | probably may 9 |
| 15:04.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | may 7 may 7 may 7 |
| 15:05.10 | muthu | may 777 |
| 15:05.23 | chadkouse | may 2077 |
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| 15:05.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | may 7 |
| 15:05.33 | chadkouse | Hey jasta |
| 15:05.40 | chadkouse | sorry I never got back with you |
| 15:05.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | oooo the competition |
| 15:06.10 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: ? |
| 15:06.23 | jasta | chadkouse: it's OK, no big deal. |
| 15:06.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | media player v. media player |
| 15:06.58 | jasta | i wouldn't look at it that way |
| 15:07.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'm in a busting chops mood today :) |
| 15:07.28 | chadkouse | heh |
| 15:08.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | one of those long nights |
| 15:11.10 | jasta | i'm just gonna go to work on time and do my job today :) |
| 15:11.16 | chadkouse | hah... |
| 15:11.22 | chadkouse | not me! |
| 15:11.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea that's a tough task |
| 15:11.48 | jasta | it's the only way to distract myself from this lame wait. |
| 15:12.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | ::very lame wait:: |
| 15:12.23 | chadkouse | heheh. |
| 15:12.51 | chadkouse | I had actually put it out of my mind since we submitted until like may 5th.. since then - i'm with you in the lame wait |
| 15:13.22 | muthu | this week goog actually destroyed the productivity of 1788 teams |
| 15:13.24 | michaelnovakjr__ | my emacs is looking up at me and smiling.... haven't touched it in like an hour! |
| 15:18.22 | jasta | your emacs sounds like its replaced your girlfriend |
| 15:18.22 | michaelnovakjr__ | 42 minutes |
| 15:18.36 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta, in recent days... |
| 15:18.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | releasing on friday :) |
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| 15:30.51 | davanum | looks like the JavaFX on Android is dead in the water - http://www.infoq.com/news/2008/05/javaone08day1 |
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| 15:35.06 | living_sword | i think Sun isnt interested right now |
| 15:36.28 | muthu | typical of sun |
| 15:36.44 | living_sword | the fact that they showed it at JavaOne shows theres a life for JavaFX on android |
| 15:36.54 | living_sword | just not yet |
| 15:37.04 | muthu | only if they proactively push it |
| 15:37.32 | living_sword | they've left it to the community i think |
| 15:38.10 | muthu | yeah, not sure if fx is good |
| 15:38.15 | muthu | anyone used it? |
| 15:39.02 | muthu | sun should be happy that android using java |
| 15:39.09 | muthu | and not crib abut j2me thing |
| 15:40.38 | living_sword | j2me would be too small for android |
| 15:40.59 | muthu | goog made the decision |
| 15:41.23 | muthu | for whatever reason |
| 15:41.40 | muthu | atleast they picked java |
| 15:52.31 | jasta | yawn |
| 15:52.52 | muthu | jasta: getting work done? |
| 15:52.56 | jasta | not really |
| 15:53.06 | muthu | hehe |
| 15:53.13 | muthu | will not happen |
| 15:53.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | that is why they should get the damn announcement over with alreay |
| 15:53.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | already |
| 15:53.56 | muthu | agree |
| 15:54.05 | Dougie187 | msn is saying obama got the nomination for democrats |
| 15:54.07 | Dougie187 | fyi |
| 15:54.16 | muthu | wow, obama won? |
| 15:54.17 | muthu | cool |
| 15:54.22 | jasta | that would be excellent |
| 15:54.33 | muthu | thought clinton would somehow make it |
| 15:54.44 | Dougie187 | msn is saying that obama won. |
| 15:54.48 | Dougie187 | i dont think its certain yet |
| 15:54.53 | Dougie187 | but thats what they say |
| 15:54.57 | jasta | if clinton was elected president, we would have the same 2 families running the US for over 24 years. |
| 15:55.10 | muthu | 24? |
| 15:55.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | McCain!! |
| 15:55.16 | muthu | oh right |
| 15:55.20 | dmoffett | McCain |
| 15:55.22 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:55.41 | muthu | clinton would have been a tough opponent for mccain |
| 15:55.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | obama has the equivalent muscle of a fairy |
| 15:56.19 | Dougie187 | i think too many people are scared of clinton |
| 15:56.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | and after the clinton-bush national security disasters we need someone who isn't afraid to take preventive action |
| 15:57.00 | muthu | clinton has more experience |
| 15:57.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | what experience? |
| 15:57.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | she has no foreign policy experience at all |
| 15:57.40 | jasta | i enjoy obama's take on political experience. |
| 15:57.54 | michaelnovakjr__ | and if she tried to tie that in with her husband's..... well we all know his experience internationally |
| 15:58.44 | muthu | its going to be tough for obama |
| 15:58.47 | muthu | against mccain |
| 15:58.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | honestly, if we needed to plan another attack i would be all for it..... i'd rather us be the ones attacking than someone else |
| 15:59.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | we screwed that up in the 90's and we paid a terrible price |
| 15:59.33 | muthu | michaelnovakjr that doesn't work long run |
| 15:59.35 | jasta | what the hell are you talking about? |
| 15:59.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | the number of times clinton had the opportunity to capture bin laden |
| 16:00.10 | michaelnovakjr__ | the CIA operations scrapped 4 times |
| 16:00.16 | michaelnovakjr__ | at the last minute |
| 16:00.17 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: bush senior sold him weapons. |
| 16:00.27 | jasta | and gave him CIA training |
| 16:00.37 | jasta | and all his associates, too |
| 16:00.44 | michaelnovakjr__ | i don't support him either. I think all three are responsible |
| 16:00.56 | jasta | i don't think any of them are individually responsible. |
| 16:01.01 | michaelnovakjr__ | clinton called off an attack because the saudi prince was with him |
| 16:01.06 | muthu | always on war is not going to help you in the long run |
| 16:01.24 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu, true... but if you know something is coming you better make damn sure you stop it |
| 16:01.38 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: how on earth could you know that something was coming? |
| 16:01.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | The intelligence was there |
| 16:01.55 | muthu | yeah no way |
| 16:01.56 | jasta | no, it wasn't. |
| 16:02.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | are you kidding..... the FBI and CIA both had intelligence |
| 16:02.18 | jasta | if you interpret what is known now and balance it against what was known then, you MIGHT be able to conclude that we knew it all before hand. |
| 16:02.24 | michaelnovakjr__ | the FAA was testing the airport security in 1999 because of threats |
| 16:02.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | we didn't know it all |
| 16:02.40 | jasta | but no one had the benefit of knowing what they know now. |
| 16:02.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | but we didn't act on what we did know |
| 16:03.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | the FAA said that in 99 the security checkpoints were a joke |
| 16:03.14 | jasta | theyre a joke now, btw. |
| 16:03.19 | chadkouse | hehe... look what waiting for the results has brought us to people! |
| 16:03.21 | chadkouse | fighting! |
| 16:03.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | and are we doing anything about it |
| 16:03.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 16:03.38 | jasta | a couple of years ago, at a major international airport, a DEER wandered onto the tarmac. |
| 16:03.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | its sad |
| 16:04.08 | michaelnovakjr__ | someone in a trench coat looking all shady doesn't get searched but the little old lady in a walker does |
| 16:04.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | tell me how that is going to catch something |
| 16:04.33 | muthu | michaelnovakjr now its all paranoid |
| 16:04.50 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: it isn't, which is precisely my original point |
| 16:05.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | but we can't actually do anything because of the rights |
| 16:05.17 | jasta | no one thing is responsible for this happening. a long history of very bad foreign policy, coupled with an unstable nation caused 9/11. |
| 16:05.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | if i have nothing to hide why would i car |
| 16:05.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | e |
| 16:05.36 | jasta | going to war and hurting our image around the world is not helping that. |
| 16:05.49 | muthu | i love the way people have freedom in US |
| 16:05.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | well, jasta :) we aren't at "war" |
| 16:05.57 | jasta | uh, yes we are. |
| 16:06.03 | chadkouse | let's not forget that really a group of like 20 pretty awful people is what really caused 9/11 |
| 16:06.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | war was declared over in 2003 |
| 16:06.10 | michaelnovakjr__ | this is an occupation |
| 16:06.14 | jasta | lol |
| 16:06.14 | muthu | but sadly now its being trampled on |
| 16:06.18 | jasta | that was just political strategy |
| 16:06.39 | michaelnovakjr__ | well, the difference between a war and an occupation is that the place is still standing |
| 16:06.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | we are playing cops over there |
| 16:07.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | all because of politics |
| 16:07.23 | Dougie187 | man im pumped that i started a politics fight |
| 16:07.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 16:07.30 | Dougie187 | How bout ADC guys? |
| 16:07.33 | jasta | Dougie187: i'm really, really not. |
| 16:07.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | politics are what is killing more lives |
| 16:07.45 | jasta | politics are such a difficult topic because, really, everyone is wrong. |
| 16:07.46 | Dougie187 | are the results out yet? |
| 16:07.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea obama won :) |
| 16:08.00 | Dougie187 | true dat jasta. just everyone thinks they are right |
| 16:08.02 | muthu | lol |
| 16:08.26 | chadkouse | my point was overlooked. |
| 16:08.32 | chadkouse | cest la vie |
| 16:08.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | we took over iraq without breaking a sweat... |
| 16:08.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | that was military action |
| 16:09.02 | Dougie187 | anyways |
| 16:09.04 | Dougie187 | so. |
| 16:09.05 | muthu | michaelnovakjr but look at the after effects |
| 16:09.07 | Dougie187 | hows weatherphone michaelnovakjr |
| 16:09.08 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes |
| 16:09.16 | muthu | see where the oil prices are now |
| 16:09.18 | Dougie187 | you are releasing sms stuff soon right? |
| 16:09.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | the after effects are due to poor management |
| 16:09.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | Dougie187: yes, friday is the release |
| 16:09.36 | Dougie187 | nice. that sound fun. |
| 16:09.40 | Dougie187 | how bout you muthu |
| 16:09.43 | Dougie187 | hows your cooking app? |
| 16:09.48 | Dougie187 | and plans for improvement? |
| 16:09.52 | muthu | lots of plan |
| 16:09.56 | chadkouse | zhobbs: are you there ? |
| 16:09.57 | muthu | but need to know if that won |
| 16:09.58 | jasta | muthu: something worth pointing out about oil prices is that since it is not a renewable source of energy, you should expect that the prices can ONLY go up. |
| 16:10.01 | jasta | regardless of politics. |
| 16:10.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta, true true true! |
| 16:10.21 | jasta | it's simple economics. a dwindling supply coupled with a steady and slowly increasing supply. duh. |
| 16:10.29 | jasta | err increasing demand* |
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| 16:10.39 | chadkouse | i say send em all the way up and let's get a new type of power source |
| 16:10.45 | muthu | and the increasing demand in china, india.. |
| 16:10.51 | jasta | it frustrates me when people complain that gas prices continue to rise. well, OBVIOUSLY! |
| 16:11.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | i can't wait for new energy sources |
| 16:11.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am a fan of innovation, so its an interesting topic |
| 16:11.32 | Dougie187 | who wants to have a party? |
| 16:11.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | i like what spain is doing with wind power |
| 16:11.35 | Dougie187 | lets have a party. |
| 16:11.38 | dmoffett | Complain about the profits of Exxon. |
| 16:11.49 | jasta | also, increasing gas prices should hopefully make it clearer to people that you shouldn't live an hour and a half away from your place of employment :) |
| 16:11.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 16:12.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | or drive down the block to get milk |
| 16:12.09 | chadkouse | that's only for people who have to drive to workk |
| 16:12.09 | dmoffett | I live 15 feet from my work place. :-) |
| 16:12.11 | Dougie187 | you guys want to have a party? |
| 16:12.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | you have legs.... use them! |
| 16:12.15 | chadkouse | :) |
| 16:12.27 | Dougie187 | i dont think you guys are taking to my party idea |
| 16:12.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 16:12.41 | muthu | now scientists have found water can be used to drive your cars!! |
| 16:12.50 | Dougie187 | not water. Hydrogen |
| 16:12.59 | muthu | yeah from water |
| 16:13.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | how about fruit loops? |
| 16:13.11 | Dougie187 | well you can get hydrogen from a lot of places. |
| 16:13.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | or candy corn? |
| 16:13.28 | muthu | michaelnovakjr that's already there |
| 16:13.30 | Dougie187 | I mean hell. |
| 16:13.33 | jasta | actually, mythbusters demonstrated that just about anything with calories can be used to power things. |
| 16:13.33 | muthu | oil from food |
| 16:13.37 | Dougie187 | theres a scientist who made a car run on garbage |
| 16:13.40 | jasta | mythbusters made a rocket out of salami |
| 16:13.50 | vol_ | that's awesome |
| 16:13.50 | Dougie187 | Good ol' Dr. Emmett Brown |
| 16:13.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | mmmm salami |
| 16:14.30 | Dougie187 | whos gonna google that name first? |
| 16:14.36 | jasta | which is not surprising, considering that food does have potential energy (duh) |
| 16:15.00 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta is right on today :) |
| 16:15.29 | chadkouse | flux capacitor ? |
| 16:15.34 | Dougie187 | i can power a rocket out of baking soda and vinegar |
| 16:15.37 | Dougie187 | Hell yeah |
| 16:16.11 | Dougie187 | flux capacitors are awesome. right chadkouse |
| 16:16.23 | Dougie187 | they are the way to the future |
| 16:16.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | so any announcement? |
| 16:16.49 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: no, i havent seen dan in here since monday either |
| 16:16.55 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 16:16.56 | Dougie187 | he was here yesterday |
| 16:17.02 | Dougie187 | jerkface scared him away though |
| 16:17.02 | jasta | i bet those bastards wont have it done until friday |
| 16:17.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | he was here earlier.... cracking jokes |
| 16:17.24 | jasta | i cant believe they are really going to background check the winners to make sure they arent terrorists |
| 16:17.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | they should do it today because its just a really good idea |
| 16:17.30 | jasta | that sounds like a joke, right? |
| 16:17.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 16:17.39 | muthu | jasta: that's a joke |
| 16:17.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | i bet that is already don |
| 16:17.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | ee |
| 16:17.45 | muthu | so the results will be out today |
| 16:17.51 | jasta | muthu: thats what i thought, but he kept saying it in several places |
| 16:18.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | you do go through legal depts, but they should do it while the 100 are being tested |
| 16:18.04 | jasta | and then it seems to me like something you'd expect some mega corporation to actually do |
| 16:18.08 | Dougie187 | lol was "Not a Terrorist" in the qualification material? |
| 16:18.22 | michaelnovakjr__ | Dougie187: in fewer words |
| 16:18.24 | muthu | what background check? |
| 16:18.26 | muthu | its silly |
| 16:18.27 | jasta | Dougie187: well, i think there was an eligibility clause |
| 16:18.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes |
| 16:18.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | the legal team determines that jasta |
| 16:18.41 | jasta | which said your government must find you eligible to receive this prize |
| 16:18.46 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes |
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| 16:18.50 | Dougie187 | Ok then |
| 16:18.50 | jasta | and i guess in the US that means not blowing things up |
| 16:18.55 | michaelnovakjr__ | you bet |
| 16:18.59 | Dougie187 | i use to blow up sobe bottles. |
| 16:19.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | sshhh |
| 16:19.04 | Dougie187 | does that make me non-elligible? |
| 16:19.08 | jasta | i like to blow up small camping propane tanks |
| 16:19.14 | jasta | any of you guys want to see? |
| 16:19.17 | Dougie187 | sure |
| 16:19.30 | jasta | http://jasta.dyndns.org/snow_camping_dec_07/boom.avi |
| 16:19.50 | jasta | (fyi, i am not in the video, i am behind the camera) |
| 16:19.56 | Dougie187 | i dont know if i can play this. |
| 16:19.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | i can see it now, Dougie187 and jasta win google prize only to be arrested by US Government and labeled non-eligible |
| 16:20.00 | Dougie187 | almost no videos play on this computer |
| 16:20.05 | Dougie187 | because its centos and centos blows |
| 16:20.23 | jasta | no mplayer? |
| 16:20.29 | Dougie187 | nope |
| 16:20.30 | Dougie187 | only totem |
| 16:20.34 | Dougie187 | and no plugins for totem either |
| 16:20.35 | jasta | i encoded it with xvid |
| 16:20.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | you can get mplayer |
| 16:20.39 | Dougie187 | no i cant. |
| 16:20.43 | Dougie187 | its not in the repos we have |
| 16:20.49 | Dougie187 | these comps are locked down |
| 16:21.26 | muthu | spring and google, heh |
| 16:21.47 | jasta | oh, also: |
| 16:21.53 | jasta | http://jasta.dyndns.org/snow_camping_dec_07/molotov.avi |
| 16:21.57 | jasta | yeah, thats a good one :) |
| 16:22.07 | Dougie187 | what ever is hosting these is hella slow |
| 16:22.18 | jasta | it's my home computer |
| 16:22.23 | jasta | so just wget them |
| 16:22.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes! wget |
| 16:22.50 | Dougie187 | you wget them |
| 16:22.53 | Dougie187 | ..pfft. |
| 16:22.55 | Dougie187 | tell me what to do |
| 16:22.58 | Dougie187 | ... |
| 16:22.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | dude wget |
| 16:23.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | is cool |
| 16:23.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | i started helping on that project :) |
| 16:23.15 | Dougie187 | so is grep, but im not shoving that down your throat |
| 16:23.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | grep is cool too |
| 16:23.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | couldn't work without it |
| 16:23.36 | Dougie187 | my point exactly |
| 16:23.48 | Dougie187 | now drop the wget shenanigans. |
| 16:23.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 16:24.15 | jasta | is my hosting really that slow that it hasn't even finished downloading by now? |
| 16:24.24 | Dougie187 | 30 kb/s |
| 16:24.29 | Dougie187 | it just finished. |
| 16:24.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | 60 |
| 16:24.34 | Dougie187 | but i cant play it |
| 16:24.35 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:24.40 | jasta | i have 896kbit up or whatever :) |
| 16:27.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | they should give the announcement at noon |
| 16:27.55 | jasta | there's just no way that'll happen :) |
| 16:28.15 | muthu | it will happen as soon as dan get to it |
| 16:28.37 | jasta | well if the scores aren't even due until some time today/tonight... |
| 16:28.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | i have been beyond unproductive during business hours this week :) |
| 16:29.15 | jasta | me too, it's getting ridiculous |
| 16:29.15 | muthu | this week is a wreck |
| 16:29.26 | muthu | insane |
| 16:29.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | even a message saying ....... no not today guys might make me slightly productive today |
| 16:29.31 | Dougie187 | noon where? |
| 16:29.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | pacific |
| 16:29.47 | Dougie187 | so in 2.5 hours? |
| 16:29.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 16:30.34 | muthu | i'm sure it will be announced when we least expect it |
| 16:31.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | like at 11:33:32 am pst |
| 16:31.26 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:31.32 | ligi | muthu: when could this be? we're expecting it every moment .. |
| 16:31.40 | Dougie187 | when everyone is asleep |
| 16:32.11 | muthu | when we go out to lunch |
| 16:32.13 | muthu | hehe |
| 16:32.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | when everyone's on the crapper |
| 16:32.37 | muthu | ha more like it |
| 16:32.54 | jasta | i like reading e-mails on the toilet |
| 16:32.55 | muthu | and then you run out to check your mail |
| 16:33.10 | michaelnovakjr__ | that'll be cool in an interview |
| 16:33.14 | muthu | oh, then its not happening then |
| 16:33.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | so where were you when you found out? |
| 16:33.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | cleaning up after the thai food at lunch :) |
| 16:33.36 | muthu | lol |
| 16:33.42 | jasta | guys, i really dont think its gonna be today :) |
| 16:33.47 | jasta | maybe tomorrow, but not today |
| 16:33.49 | muthu | why? |
| 16:34.00 | muthu | ha! |
| 16:34.19 | jasta | i just dont see that being the case. the judges arent likely to submit early :) |
| 16:34.25 | jasta | just like we werent :) |
| 16:34.41 | muthu | if the judge is expect to turn in today |
| 16:34.55 | muthu | i'll say he would have completed by yesterday |
| 16:35.05 | Dougie187 | maybe the policitcal fight was better. |
| 16:35.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 16:35.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | it'll be today! |
| 16:35.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | i feel it in my stomach |
| 16:35.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | oh wait.... just gas |
| 16:35.34 | ligi | but the 1788-100 sould be clear .. why not give this info to the crowd? |
| 16:35.34 | jasta | no it wont |
| 16:35.53 | muthu | ligi: then the excitement is lost |
| 16:35.56 | jasta | i personally don't want to know that i was in the top 100 but got cut. |
| 16:36.03 | jasta | that would be soooo lame :) |
| 16:36.16 | jasta | it'd be like google telling you "awww, bummer, you were totally #51." |
| 16:36.16 | muthu | why cut off the remaining 1688 from the fun? |
| 16:36.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | but if you are in the top 100 you could just go to the bar now and drink it all away |
| 16:36.39 | michaelnovakjr__ | my luck tells me i could be 51 |
| 16:36.39 | jasta | actually, i already got really smashed on monday, i dont want to again |
| 16:36.46 | michaelnovakjr__ | or 1789 |
| 16:36.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | not really sure |
| 16:37.01 | jasta | i told my friends they could expense the drinking if i win :) |
| 16:37.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 16:37.10 | muthu | woah i'm your friend jasta |
| 16:37.23 | muthu | where's the party? |
| 16:37.26 | jasta | the original plan was that i would find out on Monday, then we'd go out and it would either be drinks on me or drinks for me |
| 16:37.42 | ligi | lol |
| 16:37.43 | muthu | haha |
| 16:37.58 | jasta | bbl |
| 16:38.11 | muthu | jasta: wait |
| 16:39.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | i would just like confirmation that its not going to be today |
| 16:39.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | that's al |
| 16:39.35 | muthu | its today |
| 16:39.46 | muthu | unless something terrible happened |
| 16:39.55 | michaelnovakjr__ | define terrible |
| 16:39.58 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:40.08 | michaelnovakjr__ | cause i see it as anything other than the results |
| 16:41.05 | muthu | terrible is anything that doesn't let the results come out |
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| 16:41.18 | ligi | muthu: lawyers? |
| 16:41.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | morrildl !!! results no go today? |
| 16:41.37 | muthu | yeah something like that |
| 16:41.41 | muthu | lawyers.. judges |
| 16:42.52 | muthu | are we doing software? or crime?? |
| 16:43.27 | ligi | morrildl: or even partial results ( e.g. for those who are definetly out ) |
| 16:43.44 | muthu | lets start a revolt! |
| 16:44.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | that's like ants climbing the empire state building |
| 16:45.14 | muthu | may be the results are out |
| 16:45.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea right |
| 16:45.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | holy crap! |
| 16:45.56 | ligi | *?* |
| 16:46.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | i was saying holy crap what bs :) |
| 16:46.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | 2 hours and 14 minutes |
| 16:47.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | 2 hours and 13 minutes |
| 16:47.19 | Dougie187 | hah |
| 16:47.29 | Dougie187 | +/- 2 days |
| 16:47.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | not everyone posts their margin of error :) |
| 16:47.53 | Dougie187 | like weathermen |
| 16:47.56 | muthu | crap the best of the minds can really turn into junkyard sometimes |
| 16:47.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 16:48.20 | muthu | michaelnovakjr you are in talks with weathermen? |
| 16:48.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | nope |
| 16:49.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | we should find morrildl, i mean we are all computer nerds.... could it really be that hard? |
| 16:49.41 | jasta | actually, i know someone that works in his office |
| 16:49.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | i bet he is at work |
| 16:49.48 | jasta | i could just have him walk over and ask ;) |
| 16:49.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 16:50.11 | muthu | jasta: what are you waiting for? |
| 16:50.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'd say he is at work |
| 16:50.15 | ligi | jasta: do it |
| 16:50.15 | muthu | call him |
| 16:50.17 | ligi | go go go |
| 16:50.19 | jasta | i would love to see the look on his face if some stranger at Google walked up to Dan and said "jasta sent you a privmsg." |
| 16:50.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 16:50.49 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:50.56 | muthu | hey, romain guy fiddling with applets |
| 16:51.05 | muthu | http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-05-2008/jw-05-applets.html |
| 16:51.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | his reaction would be.... damn irc |
| 16:51.27 | muthu | jasta: do it |
| 16:51.31 | muthu | we'll get some info |
| 16:51.34 | muthu | dan will be game for it |
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| 16:51.39 | jasta | nah |
| 16:51.44 | jasta | i am just very certain that it wont be today so |
| 16:51.53 | muthu | how are you certain? |
| 16:52.39 | jasta | call it skepticism |
| 16:52.58 | muthu | you being certain that its not coming out makes me certain the results are today |
| 16:52.59 | jasta | today would be the earliest possible that we would reasonable expect the announcement |
| 16:53.14 | jasta | it just seems too good to be true. google is all about disappointing us ;) |
| 16:53.16 | michaelnovakjr__ | announcement |
| 16:53.24 | muthu | right |
| 16:53.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | announcement: another announcement will follow soon :) |
| 16:53.57 | jasta | reasonably*, i meant |
| 16:54.52 | Dougie187 | i wonder if i will find out that my laptop is fixed before you find out who won the ADC |
| 16:55.11 | Dougie187 | still not yet. |
| 16:55.12 | Dougie187 | :( |
| 16:56.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am way to antsy |
| 16:57.03 | Dougie187 | no offense guys/ |
| 16:57.08 | Dougie187 | but im gunnin for muthu to win |
| 16:57.18 | jasta | why? |
| 16:57.25 | Dougie187 | because he said he would buy me a new laptop if i won |
| 16:57.29 | jasta | lol |
| 16:57.31 | Dougie187 | i mean if he won |
| 16:59.34 | muthu | WON!!! |
| 16:59.40 | muthu | YOHOOHOHHO!! |
| 17:00.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | shut up :) |
| 17:00.25 | muthu | hehe |
| 17:00.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | i lost |
| 17:01.07 | muthu | shut up :) |
| 17:01.16 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 17:01.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | but seriously, i lost |
| 17:01.32 | muthu | how you know? |
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| 17:01.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | trust me, i know |
| 17:01.49 | muthu | you mean, server hits?> |
| 17:02.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | ha, i haven't had a server hit since a week from sunday |
| 17:02.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | not going by that |
| 17:02.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | i just don't think i won |
| 17:03.19 | muthu | anything can happen |
| 17:03.25 | muthu | people who think they've won |
| 17:03.29 | muthu | may be surprised too |
| 17:03.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | well, yea pigs fly |
| 17:03.36 | dmoffett | I think there are a lot of good ideas that will not win. |
| 17:03.52 | muthu | yeah possible |
| 17:03.59 | ligi | michaelnovakjr__: would be a nice post to the callenge group topic:"I'm out" - would confuse a lot of people |
| 17:04.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 17:04.38 | dmoffett | There will be some debatable winners. |
| 17:04.56 | muthu | there'll be controversy |
| 17:04.58 | muthu | for sure |
| 17:05.03 | muthu | which is part of any challenge |
| 17:05.35 | dmoffett | There are judges not stop watches. |
| 17:06.22 | dmoffett | The real winners imo will be the app my Mom has to have on her phone. |
| 17:06.34 | dmoffett | or my wife for that matter. |
| 17:06.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | ah, morrildl.... nothing for today? |
| 17:06.51 | muthu | dmoffett: how about cooking? |
| 17:06.58 | dmoffett | I love food. |
| 17:07.03 | ligi | ^^ |
| 17:07.09 | dmoffett | Can we see your app? |
| 17:07.39 | muthu | my captain decides that :-) |
| 17:08.06 | ligi | oh captain my captain |
| 17:08.17 | muthu | right now she is busy patenting all her cooking ideas!!!1 |
| 17:08.28 | Kraln | muthu: should I start charging you yet? |
| 17:08.42 | muthu | Kraln: hold on buddy |
| 17:09.04 | muthu | but tell me when you want to really start |
| 17:09.33 | muthu | Kraln: really soon |
| 17:09.38 | Kraln | cause honestly, you should be already being charged. =p |
| 17:09.45 | muthu | lol |
| 17:09.52 | Kraln | we both know it |
| 17:09.56 | muthu | give me some leeway for this poor dude |
| 17:10.06 | Kraln | I've even given you tech support! |
| 17:10.14 | muthu | Kraln: you rock |
| 17:10.22 | muthu | hold on for this week |
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| 17:11.51 | muthu | you can start charging me as soon as i get my 25k :-) |
| 17:12.07 | dmoffett | I would like to know of the top 50 which ones will make money or even last 3 years. That will be interesting and reflect how valid the contest is at finding viable software companies. |
| 17:12.22 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 17:12.28 | muthu | dmoffett: true, the judging criteria will be watched |
| 17:12.37 | muthu | there'll be postmortems |
| 17:12.39 | michaelnovakjr__ | i need to get away from the computer! this suspense is killing me |
| 17:13.22 | dmoffett | Like you I am very tense even though I a pretty sure I am out of the top 100. |
| 17:13.24 | muthu | Kraln: how's your IRC stuff going on |
| 17:13.38 | muthu | dmoffett: what's your app? |
| 17:13.51 | dmoffett | player for vizzvox.com |
| 17:14.02 | muthu | arghhh |
| 17:14.06 | muthu | keep forgetting |
| 17:14.23 | Dougie187 | go play some halo michaelnovakjr |
| 17:14.32 | dmoffett | Krain: will you take questions on irc ? |
| 17:14.38 | Kraln | muthu: my irc stuff is going well |
| 17:14.54 | Kraln | I think I'm actually going to design some chat middleware that people can integrate into their games, programs, etc |
| 17:15.06 | muthu | Kraln: do that |
| 17:15.09 | muthu | we might need something |
| 17:15.15 | muthu | i'm using xmpp/jabber for now |
| 17:15.21 | Kraln | jabber is balls. |
| 17:15.24 | Kraln | coughs |
| 17:15.28 | Kraln | wait |
| 17:15.29 | Kraln | no |
| 17:15.36 | muthu | haha |
| 17:15.47 | dmoffett | balls != good? |
| 17:15.52 | Kraln | <xml spec=crap><user=kraln><action>coughs</action></user></xml> |
| 17:16.09 | Kraln | imagine if tcp/ip was as verbose as xml |
| 17:16.16 | muthu | Kraln: what would you use instead of xml? |
| 17:16.42 | Kraln | muthu: for what, chat? either binary protocol or delimited fields with commands |
| 17:17.02 | Kraln | the former being smaller than the latter |
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| 17:17.22 | rhett | no annoucements today :( |
| 17:19.12 | ligi | rhett: the day iss not over yet |
| 17:19.55 | Kraln | its not even noon in mountain view |
| 17:20.43 | jasta | there is WbXML, too. |
| 17:20.56 | jasta | which is quite compact if you utilize a WbXML code page as well |
| 17:21.35 | chadkouse | jasta did you get my privmsg ? |
| 17:22.05 | jasta | no, hang on, i just noticed it now |
| 17:24.39 | rhett | jasta, how are you feeling about your app? |
| 17:24.45 | jasta | meh |
| 17:24.50 | rhett | does your phone home? |
| 17:25.11 | jasta | yeah, and i havent gotten any hits in a while |
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| 17:25.17 | rhett | i should have just put some code in my app to have it ping one of my servers |
| 17:25.58 | jasta | iw ill say that even if i don't win, my app will be significant for the android platform. |
| 17:26.18 | jasta | i have no intentions of stopping or slowing down. |
| 17:27.44 | Kraln | I'm shifting the focus of my application |
| 17:28.00 | Kraln | it will also be signficant, and provide significant services on android, blackberry, and iphone... |
| 17:28.01 | jasta | and i am confident that i will see a significant user base once launched. |
| 17:28.09 | Kraln | sees jasta |
| 17:28.23 | rhett | I think morrildl said that the judges' scores were due back today, so I would expect an annoucement tomorrow or friday |
| 17:28.28 | jasta | but the ADC is less predictable than that :) |
| 17:28.30 | Kraln | waves his hands mysteriously: "You want to purchase webhosting" |
| 17:28.54 | jasta | Kraln: no, i don't think my app could avoid legal troubles if it was hosted intermediately. |
| 17:29.07 | Kraln | I meant, just for your site/community |
| 17:30.52 | jasta | oh, that will be hosted on google code for at least a while :) |
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| 17:33.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | geez google is quiet today |
| 17:33.47 | muthu | very quiet |
| 17:33.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | not even a blog post saying haha we know and you dont :) |
| 17:34.00 | jasta | i bet the SDK is coming soon too ;) |
| 17:34.02 | muthu | does dan have a blog? |
| 17:34.08 | muthu | why's he not blogging? |
| 17:34.30 | muthu | jasta: you've been saying this for sooo long! |
| 17:34.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | even romainguy__ ducked into hiding it seems |
| 17:34.45 | romainguy__ | I was busy working |
| 17:34.50 | romainguy__ | and now I am at JavaOne |
| 17:35.10 | michaelnovakjr__ | oh cool |
| 17:35.55 | jasta | muthu: well honestly, the lack of noise about the SDK surprises me much more than the ADC |
| 17:36.08 | rhett | when do we expect a new SDK? |
| 17:36.10 | muthu | the sdk will come with the results |
| 17:36.14 | jasta | in 6 months, we have seen 3 significant releases? |
| 17:36.24 | rhett | oh you know everything somehow muthu |
| 17:36.24 | muthu | so the janta can be happy atleast with the new sdk |
| 17:36.42 | muthu | rhett: haha |
| 17:36.48 | muthu | just follow me for a while |
| 17:36.51 | muthu | you'll understand |
| 17:36.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta, are they giving away money with the sdk? |
| 17:37.18 | rhett | I wonder if phase 1 round 2 will require the new sdk |
| 17:37.26 | muthu | yes |
| 17:37.44 | michaelnovakjr__ | it requires you to write a new app |
| 17:37.55 | michaelnovakjr__ | and if it isn't as good as the first they take back your $25K |
| 17:38.20 | muthu | haha |
| 17:38.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | so don't spend it on the life size deathstar just yet :) |
| 17:40.08 | michaelnovakjr__ | http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/04/adc-results-announced-november2009.html |
| 17:41.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | i lost |
| 17:41.52 | Dougie187 | i already put a down payment on my deathstar though. |
| 17:42.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | hope you have another really good idea then :) |
| 17:42.19 | Dougie187 | I dont know.. |
| 17:42.29 | Dougie187 | i am brain dead now, all i can think about is my deathstar |
| 17:42.32 | Dougie187 | and how much i love it |
| 17:43.11 | Dougie187 | i could easily cross the line with this, but i think i will stop here |
| 17:43.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 17:45.48 | muthu | OUT! |
| 17:46.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | out of where? |
| 17:46.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | your mind? |
| 17:46.27 | muthu | tendulkar out |
| 17:46.29 | muthu | in cricket |
| 17:46.31 | muthu | hehe |
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| 17:51.55 | michaelnovakjr__ | aah morrildl, where are you? |
| 17:52.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | at least monday we knew it wasn't happening |
| 17:52.46 | michaelnovakjr__ | today, well that is just mean!! |
| 17:53.09 | ligi | michaelnovakjr__: perhaps he is writing the result mails |
| 17:53.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | ::wishful thinking:: |
| 17:53.29 | muthu | he's putting the final touches |
| 17:53.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 17:54.12 | ligi | BUT PERHAPS WE SHOULD BE LOUDER |
| 17:54.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | grabbing my mega-phone |
| 17:54.28 | ligi | RESULTS |
| 17:54.30 | ligi | NOW |
| 17:57.08 | michaelnovakjr__ | morrildl |
| 17:58.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | morrildl |
| 17:59.02 | jerkface03 | are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? |
| 17:59.22 | jerkface03 | michaelnovakjr__: time to start a violent riot? |
| 17:59.22 | muthu | show us the results |
| 18:00.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | getting out my riot gear |
| 18:00.32 | ligi | jerkface03: no violence please |
| 18:00.42 | muthu | let there be blooooood |
| 18:00.47 | ligi | but riot iss ok |
| 18:00.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 18:01.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | knock knock morrildl |
| 18:01.45 | ligi | MORRIDL |
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| 18:03.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | 57 minutes |
| 18:03.20 | jerkface03 | lets all /notice him at the same time |
| 18:03.31 | ligi | 3 |
| 18:03.32 | ligi | 2 |
| 18:03.32 | ligi | 1 |
| 18:03.34 | ligi | notice |
| 18:03.47 | jerkface03 | lol |
| 18:04.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | uh, didn't work |
| 18:04.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 18:05.11 | ligi | on adc II i'll write an apk which spyes on the judges - and sell infos before they come from google - would be worth more than the 25.000 |
| 18:05.24 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:05.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | grinning |
| 18:06.11 | ligi | scanning the judges pc for *adc*results*.* |
| 18:06.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | hurry up! |
| 18:06.17 | muthu | haha |
| 18:06.30 | ligi | what would jo pay for this info? |
| 18:06.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | shouts out to morrildl |
| 18:07.52 | ligi | shouts too |
| 18:08.19 | muthu | hey, i was out like 2 secs.. any new news? |
| 18:08.25 | Lede | lol |
| 18:08.33 | jerkface03 | it's out |
| 18:08.35 | jerkface03 | check the website |
| 18:08.37 | jerkface03 | SYKE |
| 18:08.44 | Lede | F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5! |
| 18:08.44 | michaelnovakjr__ | jerkface! |
| 18:10.26 | Lede | "Due to lack of quality in the submissions we have decided to cancel the ADC." |
| 18:10.37 | Lede | yay \o/ |
| 18:10.41 | ligi | Lede: LoL |
| 18:11.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | morrildl ... morrildl |
| 18:12.00 | ligi | so i'll leave the office now and fly home - expecting results when i come home !-) |
| 18:12.03 | ligi | cya all |
| 18:12.18 | jerkface03 | don't go |
| 18:14.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | i need to walk away |
| 18:14.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am going crazy and doing no work |
| 18:15.10 | muthu | michaelnovakjr you are not alone |
| 18:15.53 | rhett | yeah, i wish there was a way to know if we're at least in the top 100 |
| 18:16.09 | rhett | michaelnovakjr__ is your app phoning home? |
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| 18:26.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am ready now morrildl |
| 18:32.25 | f00f- | i think morrildl is working hard to get the results to us since morrildl believes in quick results to contests and morridl can't wait to tell us who placed in the top 50, isn't that right morrildl? :) |
| 18:32.51 | muthu | good night folks |
| 18:33.00 | muthu | let me know if the results are out :) |
| 18:33.06 | f00f- | nn |
| 18:36.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am going to lose it before finding out these results |
| 18:36.18 | michaelnovakjr__ | or maybe i have already lost it |
| 18:37.10 | f00f- | i lost and i need to regain it |
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| 18:43.08 | michaelnovakjr__ | 17 minutes |
| 18:44.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | 15 minutes |
| 18:45.42 | f00f- | expecting something at noon? |
| 18:46.00 | f00f- | how about we do a countdown every hour until the results are announced |
| 18:46.46 | tomgibara | It's surely unlikely that the results will be announced today if the judges are only reporting their scores today. |
| 18:47.15 | tomgibara | but I wish they would |
| 18:47.49 | tomgibara | even though my rational brain hemisphere knows I've not won, the irrational half won't listen |
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| 18:56.44 | michaelnovakjr__ | 4 minutes |
| 18:57.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | 3 minutes |
| 18:57.19 | _Marvin_ | ? |
| 18:57.56 | _Marvin_ | My grand mother lastname is Novak :) |
| 18:58.54 | michaelnovakjr__ | two minutes |
| 18:58.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | oh yea? |
| 18:59.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | one minute!! |
| 19:00.03 | _Marvin_ | ok it's noon in california, that's what you are saying? :) |
| 19:00.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | lift off!!! |
| 19:00.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha yes |
| 19:00.36 | michaelnovakjr__ | 3 hours |
| 19:01.33 | _Marvin_ | :) nice try |
| 19:01.39 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 19:01.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | my bet is 3 pm |
| 19:02.09 | f00f- | i'll place multiple bets, every hour |
| 19:02.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 19:02.28 | _Marvin_ | we should change the channel title to : Release the winner list or alse the kitten gets it :) |
| 19:02.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | 3pm, enough time to get the scores and tally them up |
| 19:02.44 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes!! |
| 19:02.52 | f00f- | maybe the deadline was to have them in by EOB today? |
| 19:03.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | i would say no |
| 19:03.10 | f00f- | and legal is always slow |
| 19:03.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | so the channel title will be: Release the winner list or alse the legal team gets it |
| 19:03.59 | f00f- | sounds good |
| 19:04.29 | _Marvin_ | EOB ? Explanation of Benefit ? :) End Of Block? Essence Of Beauty? :) |
| 19:04.34 | f00f- | loo |
| 19:04.36 | f00f- | end of business |
| 19:04.40 | _Marvin_ | ha :) |
| 19:04.43 | _Marvin_ | thx:) |
| 19:05.16 | _Marvin_ | It looks like testing was done really until yesterday |
| 19:05.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | maybe yesterday was the last day..... i mean shit or get off the pot |
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| 19:05.59 | _Marvin_ | a full day to do double check ratings and build the list tomorrow is legal .... well. |
| 19:06.01 | f00f- | heh |
| 19:06.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | na.... today 3pm pst |
| 19:06.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | or maybe even 4pm pst |
| 19:06.35 | _Marvin_ | :) |
| 19:06.42 | _Marvin_ | 6pm? |
| 19:06.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'd say 3pm pst sounds better |
| 19:06.49 | f00f- | PDT, to be fully clear |
| 19:07.04 | f00f- | don't give them an hour of wiggle room :P |
| 19:07.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | maybe i meant pst :) |
| 19:07.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 19:11.34 | rhett | you think today michaelnovakjr__? |
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| 19:12.41 | ligi | re re results? |
| 19:12.57 | f00f- | if not today, definitely tomorrow, no joke |
| 19:13.19 | ligi | f00f-: source? |
| 19:14.23 | f00f- | ligi: my left brain & muthu's median date point |
| 19:14.37 | ligi | lol |
| 19:15.14 | rhett | ok, if you actually read what morrildl said, he said judges scores were due in today, and judges are from all sorts of countries, so who knows what they think "today" is |
| 19:15.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | released |
| 19:15.29 | rhett | my prediction is late thurs/friday |
| 19:15.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | morrildl: |
| 19:17.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | morrildl morrildl morrildl mor |
| 19:17.33 | f00f- | man, it's getting pumped up in here |
| 19:17.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea |
| 19:17.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | monday at least we knew it wasn't happening |
| 19:18.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | so it was more disappointment.... but now its pure hype |
| 19:18.18 | rhett | it's because muthu told everyone it woudl be today |
| 19:18.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | damn muthu |
| 19:18.32 | rhett | and we all want to believe him |
| 19:18.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | i want to unplug his computer |
| 19:18.50 | f00f- | well he does have the loser post up on hello android |
| 19:18.55 | f00f- | `we are all losers` |
| 19:19.02 | f00f- | so it's comforting to know it so early |
| 19:19.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | a little confirmation on the date wouldn't hurt |
| 19:19.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | 2 hours and 41 minutes |
| 19:20.38 | _Marvin_ | ok guys, I suggest we create a super contest |
| 19:20.45 | _Marvin_ | about the final release of the list |
| 19:21.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | may 32, 2008 |
| 19:21.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | that is my pick |
| 19:21.18 | _Marvin_ | and of course nobody from google of afiliated companies can participate :) |
| 19:21.40 | _Marvin_ | the grand prize would be... uuuh..the kitten |
| 19:21.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | dead or alive? |
| 19:22.10 | _Marvin_ | I like kittens ;) so I would say alive :) |
| 19:22.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | cool |
| 19:22.33 | _Marvin_ | it's a grand prize... you may then decide if the kitten gets it or not :) |
| 19:22.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 19:23.08 | _Marvin_ | ok my best guess is tomorrow noon |
| 19:23.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | damnit |
| 19:23.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | google should just tell us when |
| 19:23.36 | michaelnovakjr__ | its not like its a surprise |
| 19:23.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | we know they are going to announce it |
| 19:24.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | atleast everyone wouldn't be going completely crazy |
| 19:24.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | puts an emphasis on completely |
| 19:24.38 | f00f- | folks, it was all a joke. |
| 19:24.41 | f00f- | there was no contest. |
| 19:24.44 | _Marvin_ | you got some hit on your server ? |
| 19:24.45 | f00f- | it just a dog and pony show. |
| 19:25.11 | f00f- | i never got a hit, i'm pretty much fscked. |
| 19:25.16 | _Marvin_ | explain this to us f00f |
| 19:25.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 19:25.36 | f00f- | morrildl mentioned one app that didn't work out |
| 19:25.39 | f00f- | or something to that effect |
| 19:25.41 | f00f- | i bet it was mine :/ |
| 19:26.05 | _Marvin_ | ho, what was doing your app? |
| 19:26.11 | f00f- | i always mess up some mundane little detail |
| 19:26.33 | f00f- | _Marvin_: just some LBS stuff |
| 19:26.52 | Dougie187 | you guys are crazy |
| 19:27.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes we are |
| 19:27.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am not ashamed to admit i am crazy right now |
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| 19:28.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | i would love to know where morrildl is hiding |
| 19:29.13 | f00f- | is taking a lunch break from all this lunacy |
| 19:29.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 19:30.24 | _Marvin_ | when you think about it, rating 1788 application, it's huge |
| 19:30.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes, and they were down to 100 last week |
| 19:31.10 | _Marvin_ | maybe the hardest part is this 100->50 phase |
| 19:31.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | its definitely the hardest par |
| 19:31.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | t |
| 19:31.53 | _Marvin_ | they technicaly have to remove one good app out of 2 good app |
| 19:32.13 | _Marvin_ | maybe some choices are difficult make... dunno |
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| 19:38.51 | rhett | so, I imagine nothing changed in the past 4 minutes? |
| 19:41.23 | _Marvin_ | nope |
| 19:41.36 | _Marvin_ | the kitten was adopted by f00f |
| 19:41.55 | jasta | yawn |
| 19:43.12 | jasta | can we just shrug this off until the winners are announced? |
| 19:43.24 | Lede | no! |
| 19:43.26 | jasta | please? |
| 19:43.33 | Lede | makes more posts on the forum |
| 19:43.49 | Lede | :o) |
| 19:44.42 | *** mode/#android [+o morrildl] by ChanServ |
| 19:44.45 | *** topic/#android by morrildl -> Visit us at http://code.google.com/android/. Or else f00f's kitten gets it. |
| 19:45.00 | rhett | whoa, did morrildl just do something? |
| 19:45.05 | _Marvin_ | agreed jasta, but it was funny playing with the cat though |
| 19:45.26 | _Marvin_ | haha :) |
| 19:45.30 | jasta | That topic seems dirty ;) |
| 19:45.37 | Lede | morrildl evolved and is trying to learn tail whip |
| 19:45.45 | Lede | but he can't learn any more moves |
| 19:45.52 | Lede | remove one move to learn tail whip? |
| 19:46.00 | poffy | yes |
| 19:46.16 | poffy | Remove Fissure |
| 19:46.23 | Lede | which move: irc, develop, eat, sleep |
| 19:46.28 | poffy | sleep |
| 19:46.41 | Lede | morrildl unlearned sleep and learned tail whip! |
| 19:47.08 | rhett | please tell us if we are at least top 100 ... :( |
| 19:47.10 | Lede | *pokemon town music* |
| 19:47.35 | rhett | i'm seriously unable to do anything until these results are announced |
| 19:48.07 | morrildl | is a Steel and Fight type |
| 19:48.19 | rhett | morrildl, tell us something! |
| 19:48.22 | rhett | please! |
| 19:48.43 | jasta | argh, just drop it :) |
| 19:48.47 | jasta | please, we'll all feel better |
| 19:49.40 | rhett | well, phone-home apps know if they're top 100. Shouldn't non-phone-home apps be allowed to know that too? |
| 19:49.45 | _Marvin_ | The first one to give a name to the cat could win a few points ... ;) |
| 19:49.58 | jasta | rhett: he isn't going to tell you anything :) |
| 19:50.48 | jasta | morrildl: so, how's life anyway? :) |
| 19:50.57 | jasta | how was absinthe and guitar hero, even? |
| 19:51.31 | _Marvin_ | jasta: can we just shrug this off until tomorrow? :) |
| 19:51.58 | jasta | no, until the announcement :) |
| 19:52.11 | Lede | which is friday |
| 19:52.25 | Lede | right morrildl? :P |
| 19:53.20 | morrildl | jasta: you know, I actually went home, started to read my copy of Make, and just passed out |
| 19:53.25 | morrildl | ....without the absinthe I mean |
| 19:53.39 | jasta | what's make? |
| 19:53.45 | rhett | make magazine |
| 19:53.49 | morrildl | yes, that |
| 19:53.56 | rhett | o'reilly publishing |
| 19:54.20 | jasta | ohh, neat |
| 19:54.38 | rhett | yeah, like half my friends have written articles for that |
| 19:55.21 | rhett | maybe I should subscribe |
| 19:55.34 | rhett | oh gosh this channel is so useless until we get the results |
| 19:55.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'm tired now |
| 19:55.56 | jasta | maybe we should all just /part? |
| 19:56.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | it would be nice to know they aren't coming out today? |
| 19:56.24 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:56.29 | Dougie187 | and your still going. |
| 19:56.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) yep |
| 19:56.36 | rhett | hey, so seriously, what's a good way to refresh a view based on keypad input? |
| 19:56.51 | rhett | I used the trick that lunarlander uses, and it takes a lot of cpu |
| 19:57.03 | _Marvin_ | what trick? |
| 19:57.05 | rhett | they optimized the cpu by just updating the area around the lander |
| 19:57.24 | _Marvin_ | oh |
| 19:57.53 | Dougie187 | you play any halo yet michaelnovakjr? |
| 19:57.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | not yet |
| 19:58.03 | Dougie187 | you should |
| 19:58.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | i was working on my stuff last night |
| 19:58.07 | Dougie187 | it would get your mind off |
| 19:58.12 | Dougie187 | this adc stuff |
| 19:58.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | doubt it |
| 19:58.17 | Dougie187 | it totally would |
| 19:58.18 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am officially nuts |
| 19:58.21 | Dougie187 | you would be focused on killing people |
| 19:58.23 | Dougie187 | yeah i knew that |
| 19:58.25 | Dougie187 | last week |
| 19:58.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 19:58.35 | Dougie187 | no info on my laptop still |
| 19:58.40 | Dougie187 | lol its driving me nuts. |
| 19:58.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | it actually messes with my game |
| 19:58.50 | Dougie187 | hah |
| 19:58.53 | Dougie187 | did you play COD? |
| 19:58.55 | Dougie187 | and lose? |
| 19:59.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | i stink at CoD... all the more reason to release the results! |
| 19:59.02 | rhett | _Marvin_, protected void onDraw(Canvas canvas) {...invalidate(); canvas.restore()}; |
| 20:00.40 | Dougie187 | you should work on something else to calm your nerves. |
| 20:00.40 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:00.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am, i am working on nagging |
| 20:01.05 | morrildl | we are chasing down the last few scores now, so it won't be today :( |
| 20:01.17 | Dougie187 | you have your answer michaelnovakjr |
| 20:01.19 | poffy | Tomorrow? :O |
| 20:01.22 | rhett | thanks for the info morrildl ! |
| 20:01.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | can you smack those judges over the head morrildl |
| 20:01.25 | morrildl | Possibly it will be tomorrow, but I expect Friday |
| 20:01.27 | poffy | Next week? :O |
| 20:01.31 | poffy | Next month? |
| 20:01.32 | morrildl | would definitely enjoy doing so ;) |
| 20:01.37 | rhett | holycow, real info! |
| 20:01.43 | morrildl | No, results will be out this week |
| 20:01.44 | michaelnovakjr__ | morrildl, good man! |
| 20:01.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | fine gentleman sir! |
| 20:02.02 | Dougie187 | how many scores are you waiting on? |
| 20:02.13 | morrildl | but given the choice between bonking someone on the head (however gratifying), and sleeping, I think I would sleep |
| 20:02.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | probably one dumbass judge |
| 20:03.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | its always usually 1 in these cases |
| 20:03.22 | Dougie187 | weren't they supposed to put the list of judges up somewhere? |
| 20:03.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | its a luck thing :) |
| 20:03.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | with names and addresses |
| 20:03.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 20:03.35 | Dougie187 | so you could mail them chocolates and your submission id number? |
| 20:03.41 | rhett | i guess they can't tell us if we're top 100, because then we could use that to advertise our app or something saying "We were top 100 in the ADC, blah blah blah" |
| 20:03.45 | poffy | I was planning on doing that :( |
| 20:03.55 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 20:03.59 | Dougie187 | sending a hooker. |
| 20:04.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 20:04.09 | Dougie187 | with chocolates |
| 20:04.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | edible arrangements :) |
| 20:04.31 | poffy | chocolate hooker? |
| 20:04.31 | Dougie187 | that way if they dont want the hooker they can take the chocolates. |
| 20:04.35 | Dougie187 | there ya go |
| 20:05.08 | poffy | Strange images... |
| 20:05.18 | Dougie187 | hey does someone want to go to toshiba's depot and fix my laptop for me? and then mail it back? |
| 20:05.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | morrildl, we can certainly chase down the remaining judges for you :) free of charge |
| 20:05.31 | Dougie187 | it would be greatly appreciated. |
| 20:05.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha Dougie187, should have gotten a mac! |
| 20:05.55 | Dougie187 | lol yeah you have roughly 80 insane people sitting here, blood thirsty |
| 20:06.00 | Dougie187 | eh, i dont like macs |
| 20:06.05 | morrildl | Dougie187: we plan to put the list up once judging is over. We don't want people bribing the judges while judging is still ongoing. ;) |
| 20:06.09 | Dougie187 | i cant get past the single click |
| 20:06.11 | jasta | hmm |
| 20:06.18 | jasta | did i just hear morrildl say that we get nothing this week? |
| 20:06.26 | Dougie187 | no he said it would be this week |
| 20:06.28 | Dougie187 | he expects friday |
| 20:06.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 20:06.30 | Dougie187 | but possibly tomorrow |
| 20:06.30 | morrildl | jasta: no, on Friday |
| 20:06.37 | jasta | oh, there was a comma :) |
| 20:06.53 | jasta | that's what i expected, actually |
| 20:06.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | by friday he means in a few minutes |
| 20:07.05 | Dougie187 | true, it is friday in california |
| 20:07.33 | jasta | we really have no choice but to assume we won and keep working |
| 20:07.37 | jasta | because round 2 is right around the corner :) |
| 20:07.44 | Dougie187 | when is round two due? |
| 20:07.56 | jasta | june 30th |
| 20:08.02 | Dougie187 | jeez |
| 20:08.08 | Dougie187 | and it has to be completely unique?! |
| 20:08.09 | jasta | yeah, exactly :) |
| 20:08.10 | Dougie187 | (j/k) |
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| 20:08.28 | morrildl | "It's always Friday in California" |
| 20:08.37 | morrildl | (brought to you by the California State Tourism Board) |
| 20:09.01 | michaelnovakjr__ | morrildl, with round 2 coming up, you should announce the top 100 |
| 20:09.08 | michaelnovakjr__ | and emphasize the one who is 51 |
| 20:09.45 | jasta | is excited to go to I/O |
| 20:09.53 | jasta | but i'm curious what this after hours at Google business is all about :) |
| 20:10.38 | Dougie187 | morrildl: then that renders your previous comment about when results would be release usless. |
| 20:10.43 | Dougie187 | because every day is going to be friday for you |
| 20:10.50 | Dougie187 | so of course they would be released on friday. |
| 20:10.53 | Dougie187 | even if it was tomorrow |
| 20:10.55 | Dougie187 | or next week. |
| 20:12.04 | morrildl | wow |
| 20:12.08 | morrildl | I had not even thought of that |
| 20:12.32 | morrildl | Are you guys... like, waiting for something? |
| 20:12.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes morrildl |
| 20:12.43 | morrildl | ;) |
| 20:12.50 | _Marvin_ | ok, who wants the kitten .. |
| 20:12.51 | _Marvin_ | :) |
| 20:12.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | been awake since monday |
| 20:13.43 | rhett | too bad muthu isn't hear to make some really annoying "BREAKING" blog post about the friday announcement |
| 20:13.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 20:13.50 | rhett | and I can't spell here |
| 20:14.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | that is why morrildl should release the top 100 now......... that way muthu can't get it only seconds after |
| 20:14.15 | Dougie187 | Lol |
| 20:14.35 | Dougie187 | i like how everyone knows muthu |
| 20:14.48 | jasta | not surprising, he talks a lot |
| 20:14.52 | jerkface03 | so what happend? |
| 20:14.53 | Dougie187 | hes like the one person everyone knows |
| 20:14.54 | michaelnovakjr__ | hha |
| 20:14.56 | jerkface03 | results are here? |
| 20:14.56 | _Marvin_ | ok who wants to get the first post in the challenge forum? :) |
| 20:14.59 | Dougie187 | you lost jerkface03 |
| 20:15.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | jerkface03: yes |
| 20:15.02 | Dougie187 | you got 53rd place |
| 20:15.03 | jerkface03 | awesome. |
| 20:15.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | morrildl will confirm with you |
| 20:15.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | off to the bat cave! |
| 20:15.24 | Dougie187 | he said he sent you a private message |
| 20:15.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | adios |
| 20:15.59 | morrildl | yeah, we're going nto announce all scores via IRC |
| 20:16.08 | jerkface03 | whatever, just HURRY UP |
| 20:16.11 | ligi | morrildl: great |
| 20:16.21 | morrildl | you have a registered Freenode account, and if you aren't present when we try and notify you, you lose ;) |
| 20:17.11 | jerkface03 | morrildl: seriously though are you going to have results up by tonight? |
| 20:17.18 | jerkface03 | or is this going to span out for another 3 days? |
| 20:18.41 | rhett | morrildl, predicts friday |
| 20:18.51 | _Marvin_ | "<morrildl> Possibly it will be tomorrow, but I expect Friday" |
| 20:19.13 | jerkface03 | k |
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| 20:19.34 | jerkface03 | and when friday comes around he'll say he didn't tell us WHICH friday |
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| 20:19.50 | ligi | morrildl: but seriously the group of the 1788-100 iss fixed now - can't u informe us? |
| 20:19.55 | jerkface03 | it's all apart of his master plan |
| 20:19.58 | jerkface03 | to make us wait |
| 20:21.00 | rhett | hey, can we just make that the channel topic, morrild expects friday? |
| 20:23.01 | _Marvin_ | or next week more likely ;) |
| 20:23.31 | _Marvin_ | he said friday, let's asusme it's going to be friday... |
| 20:24.16 | _Marvin_ | but...: "<morrildl> No, results will be out this week" |
| 20:24.22 | _Marvin_ | so.... |
| 20:25.14 | jerkface03 | exactly. |
| 20:25.31 | _Marvin_ | lol |
| 20:25.42 | *** topic/#android by morrildl -> Results expected on Friday. If you know what I'm talking about, there you go. If not, never mind. |
| 20:26.22 | _Marvin_ | :) perfect |
| 20:27.14 | jasta | morrildl: how annoying is all this, honestly? |
| 20:27.19 | Lede | morrildl: will people with the same name as terrorists get notified? |
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| 20:31.49 | f00f- | really, it's only a problem if you win |
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| 20:35.42 | jerkface03 | you better hope your name isn't osama binladen |
| 20:36.28 | f00f- | i usually get flagged at airports, so hopefully google doesn't use the FBI Terrorist Screening Database |
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| 20:39.13 | edcba | f00f- of course you got flagged, you *are* a terrorist :) |
| 20:41.23 | f00f- | i only do acts of code terrorism |
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| 21:55.02 | jjt009 | morrildl: hello |
| 21:55.23 | jjt009 | how are things going with the judging? |
| 21:55.29 | jjt009 | have the top 50 been decided? |
| 21:55.45 | jjt009 | and the remaining two days will just be used for legal stuff? |
| 21:56.12 | Lede | .. |
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| 21:56.28 | jjt009 | i was trying to send a pm to morrill |
| 21:56.33 | jjt009 | but i changed my nick instead |
| 21:56.35 | jjt009 | hjmm |
| 21:56.50 | Lede | nice excuse! |
| 21:56.54 | jjt009 | Lede: what's up |
| 21:57.02 | jjt009 | ok, fine, i aspire to work at google |
| 21:57.04 | Lede | nothing is up |
| 21:57.08 | jjt009 | NOT |
| 21:57.24 | Lede | i want to work at google for free |
| 21:57.33 | jjt009 | google is shize |
| 21:57.41 | jjt009 | it's tight |
| 21:57.56 | jjt009 | michaelnovakjr: got any hits? |
| 21:58.00 | jjt009 | anyone got any hits? |
| 21:58.15 | jjt009 | Lede: can you see if you get my pm |
| 21:58.15 | duey | na |
| 21:58.25 | jjt009 | duey: huh? |
| 21:58.31 | duey | oh |
| 21:58.38 | duey | i thought that was a general got any hits call |
| 21:58.41 | Lede | jjt009: if you have trouble sending pm's make sure you are registered with NickServ and identified |
| 21:58.51 | jjt009 | Lede: how do i do that? |
| 21:58.58 | duey | /msg nickserv help |
| 21:59.00 | jjt009 | duey: you got any within last two days? |
| 21:59.04 | duey | nope |
| 21:59.06 | duey | im out:D |
| 21:59.10 | Lede | /msg nickserv register <your nick> <password> |
| 21:59.13 | jjt009 | duey: no prob man, so am i |
| 21:59.30 | jjt009 | it's hard to win when you're against such great opponents |
| 21:59.38 | jjt009 | and people who've worked constantly for six months |
| 21:59.43 | duey | i am predecting there are going to be some very pissed off people |
| 21:59.57 | duey | jjt009, its going to be worse if a heap of cheesy apps win |
| 22:00.08 | duey | which i suspect might happen |
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| 22:00.27 | duey | but its all good |
| 22:00.38 | duey | i was allways aiming for adc2 |
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| 22:03.41 | jjt009 | ya, definitely man |
| 22:03.42 | jjt009 | i want real devices |
| 22:03.46 | duey | yep |
| 22:03.56 | jjt009 | actually, one of my current projects is trying to get android onto a razr |
| 22:04.03 | jjt009 | or any other device |
| 22:04.19 | jjt009 | android comes with all the initrd files and stuff, so it should be bootable |
| 22:04.26 | jjt009 | it will just take some effort to get it to work |
| 22:04.37 | duey | im thinking i might have to switch to iphone because i need to demo this project in front of 100 people and i dont have a device |
| 22:05.09 | duey | could just port it to n95 i guess that might be easier |
| 22:05.33 | coderjjt009 | true |
| 22:05.41 | coderjjt009 | can you check if you get my pm |
| 22:05.43 | coderjjt009 | one sec |
| 22:07.17 | coderjjt009 | did you get it? |
| 22:07.19 | duey | yes |
| 22:07.24 | coderjjt009 | cool |
| 22:07.29 | coderjjt009 | thanks |
| 22:07.58 | coderjjt009 | so do you think i could get android onto a real device? |
| 22:08.11 | duey | umm |
| 22:08.15 | duey | not sure |
| 22:08.32 | coderjjt009 | i guess it would require the proper architecture |
| 22:08.34 | coderjjt009 | probably arm |
| 22:08.34 | duey | i guess if you knew the inner workings of the device you are porting to it might be possible |
| 22:08.51 | coderjjt009 | yeah, if only i had an htc or another arm phone |
| 22:09.06 | coderjjt009 | i'll probably have to write drivers |
| 22:09.42 | duey | you looked in android-internals ? |
| 22:09.50 | coderjjt009 | yeah, a few messages |
| 22:09.55 | coderjjt009 | i should look a bit more |
| 22:12.23 | Lede | hey romainguy__ and morrildl what is it that google expect from the developers to do with the prize money? |
| 22:12.40 | Lede | just wondering.. |
| 22:15.06 | duey | Lede, anything they want |
| 22:15.11 | duey | invest in yahoo! |
| 22:15.34 | Lede | heh |
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| 22:54.59 | Dougie187 | Hello crazy people |
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| 23:04.24 | Lede | hello normal guy |
| 23:06.12 | Dougie187 | hows it going? |
| 23:10.59 | Lede | everything is going as planned... hehe |
| 23:11.21 | Lede | slowly starts to laugh like a maniac |
| 23:11.30 | Dougie187 | ... |
| 23:15.05 | jasta | i'm very curious if we will be able to communicate arbitrary data to Android devices via GTalk from an external system |
| 23:15.21 | jasta | does anyone know if this is currently possible? |
| 23:15.33 | Dougie187 | try it |
| 23:16.03 | jasta | i wouldn't know where to even begin. the interface you see from GTalk currently is just XMPP, which would not be capable of sending arbitrary data |
| 23:16.21 | jasta | but it does seem that GTalk has been extended on Android to support much more |
| 23:16.42 | jasta | ideally, i'd like to be able to use GTalk to alert devices when new content is available from the server |
| 23:16.50 | jasta | so that they could connect back and synchronize |
| 23:17.06 | jasta | but i can't see how that would work currently |
| 23:17.12 | jasta | perhaps i will harrass them about this at Google I/O |
| 23:17.53 | duey | people might be able to send executable code |
| 23:19.50 | jasta | uhh, i should hope not |
| 23:20.18 | mickrobk | jasta: it's possible, and u can send arbitrary data, just do new string(bytes[]) and send that |
| 23:20.21 | jasta | they have seemed to extend GTalk from Android's perspective to support passing intents and craap. |
| 23:20.24 | jasta | crap* |
| 23:20.36 | Lede | craap! |
| 23:20.39 | Lede | well |
| 23:20.42 | Lede | time for sleep here |
| 23:20.49 | Lede | ->sleep(Inf); |
| 23:20.52 | jasta | mickrobk: yeah, but that will show up like a message from the devices perspective. |
| 23:20.55 | mickrobk | but theres a bunch of bugs in the current implementation surrounding it, it ends up being pretty hackish |
| 23:20.55 | jasta | not data. |
| 23:21.13 | mickrobk | oh, yea ur right about that |
| 23:21.27 | jasta | that's what i'm really asking. how can i interact with those extensions. |
| 23:21.32 | jasta | from outside of Android |
| 23:21.38 | Dougie187 | hey jasta. |
| 23:21.46 | Dougie187 | gtalk has extensions of XMPP though |
| 23:21.49 | Dougie187 | its not just XMPP |
| 23:21.58 | Dougie187 | cuz XMPP can't do voice |
| 23:22.06 | jasta | yes, but Android further extends GTalk, with new Android-specific pieces. |
| 23:22.31 | Dougie187 | but couldnt you write something to take advantage of the extensions? |
| 23:22.39 | Dougie187 | like a pidgin plugin |
| 23:22.40 | Dougie187 | or something |
| 23:26.21 | Dougie187 | no? |
| 23:26.22 | Dougie187 | bad idea? |
| 23:53.51 | Kraln | I wonder if the telephony parts of android are JTAPI |
| 23:53.55 | Kraln | that'd be too convienient |
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