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| 02:15.16 | michaelnovakjr | howdy |
| 02:15.20 | michaelnovakjr | looks empty |
| 02:16.45 | michaelnovakjr | yep definitely empty :) |
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| 02:22.32 | dmoffett | Yeah it is very quiet. |
| 02:22.41 | michaelnovakjr | how's it going? |
| 02:22.51 | dmoffett | Pretty well and you? |
| 02:22.54 | michaelnovakjr | good good |
| 02:23.04 | dmoffett | Feeling better now that there is a date? |
| 02:23.05 | michaelnovakjr | getting sms weatherphone ready for friday am release |
| 02:23.09 | michaelnovakjr | yes :) |
| 02:23.10 | dmoffett | Cool |
| 02:23.18 | michaelnovakjr | and distracted, so that helps too |
| 02:23.20 | dmoffett | I will sign up once you give out the info. |
| 02:23.28 | michaelnovakjr | awesome :) |
| 02:24.29 | dmoffett | Not being up on sms, do I pay when I receive or sent sms or both? |
| 02:24.42 | michaelnovakjr | its usually both |
| 02:24.48 | michaelnovakjr | but different costs i believe |
| 02:24.49 | dmoffett | Maybe it depends on the plan I guess. |
| 02:25.00 | michaelnovakjr | there's unlimited ones out there |
| 02:25.09 | michaelnovakjr | i pay 5 bucks for a bunch |
| 02:25.21 | dmoffett | It seems with Android we should be able to have a service that does not cost money for the user. |
| 02:25.52 | michaelnovakjr | weatherphone won't cost the user..... it uses the data connection |
| 02:25.59 | michaelnovakjr | also is more accurate that way |
| 02:26.10 | dmoffett | How does that work? |
| 02:26.14 | dmoffett | or can't you say? |
| 02:26.31 | dmoffett | I understand if you don't want to tell. |
| 02:26.41 | michaelnovakjr | basically it directly phones home uses some nifty web service architecture i wrote |
| 02:26.56 | michaelnovakjr | there's no medium to go through |
| 02:27.02 | dmoffett | So basically polling from the phone? |
| 02:27.03 | michaelnovakjr | other than the network of course :) |
| 02:27.14 | michaelnovakjr | yes.... i am building in push services too :) |
| 02:27.21 | dmoffett | Cool |
| 02:27.29 | michaelnovakjr | so the user can choose |
| 02:27.34 | dmoffett | I looked into multcast but I think that is impractical. |
| 02:27.52 | dmoffett | seems like multicast is not supported. |
| 02:27.58 | michaelnovakjr | not that i have seen |
| 02:28.13 | dmoffett | For your app multicast might not be suitable. |
| 02:28.29 | dmoffett | I have an idea where multicast would be sweet. |
| 02:28.42 | dmoffett | but I guess sms is the only way these days. |
| 02:28.46 | michaelnovakjr | i have a really quick search time with the current setup |
| 02:29.07 | michaelnovakjr | so the phone is operating for very long at all during the check |
| 02:29.21 | michaelnovakjr | is not * |
| 02:29.33 | dmoffett | I see. |
| 02:29.53 | dmoffett | so can a service hold a connection for long periods of time? |
| 02:30.08 | dmoffett | if the network is good? |
| 02:30.20 | dmoffett | I am testing all this now for myself. |
| 02:30.30 | michaelnovakjr | probably, but its not a good idea |
| 02:30.36 | michaelnovakjr | radio will kill the battery |
| 02:30.41 | dmoffett | Kills the battery? |
| 02:30.46 | dmoffett | right |
| 02:30.47 | michaelnovakjr | drains |
| 02:30.52 | dmoffett | I see. |
| 02:30.54 | dmoffett | interesting. |
| 02:31.00 | dmoffett | Polling seems right then. |
| 02:31.01 | michaelnovakjr | the radio actually goes down when not in use |
| 02:31.14 | michaelnovakjr | that is a standard in mobile device |
| 02:31.15 | michaelnovakjr | s |
| 02:31.30 | dmoffett | I see. |
| 02:32.03 | dmoffett | sms makes a lot of sense then. |
| 02:32.44 | michaelnovakjr | sure, its not the most reliable but it will reach the most people |
| 02:33.39 | dmoffett | I wonder if an android device listens on a socket if the radio stays up? |
| 02:34.39 | michaelnovakjr | i would assume so |
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| 03:42.24 | michaelnovakjr | hey there morrildl |
| 03:42.41 | Kraln | I might be visiting google hq in nyc |
| 03:42.46 | michaelnovakjr | ooo |
| 03:42.49 | michaelnovakjr | i'm in nyc |
| 03:43.01 | Kraln | nyc is a big place. =p |
| 03:43.07 | michaelnovakjr | indeed |
| 03:43.12 | Kraln | can I have your apartment when you die? |
| 03:43.21 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 03:43.57 | Kraln | actually, only if you live on cpw below 100th st. |
| 03:44.25 | michaelnovakjr | well |
| 03:44.29 | michaelnovakjr | aren't we fancy |
| 03:44.57 | Kraln | I used to live in brooklyn heights. |
| 03:45.03 | Kraln | nothing fancy about me =) |
| 03:45.06 | michaelnovakjr | i live in brooklyn |
| 03:45.13 | Kraln | where abouts |
| 03:45.17 | michaelnovakjr | bensonhurst |
| 03:45.22 | michaelnovakjr | i work downtown manhattan |
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| 03:46.43 | Kraln | ah, cool |
| 03:46.47 | Kraln | you know where cadman plaza is? |
| 03:46.59 | michaelnovakjr | yep |
| 03:47.01 | Kraln | I lived off of jay and johnson. |
| 03:47.06 | michaelnovakjr | by the brooklyn bridge |
| 03:47.08 | Kraln | yep |
| 03:47.12 | michaelnovakjr | cool |
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| 04:54.00 | bdjnk | Is anyone around who can answer a question about installing .apk files? |
| 04:55.04 | Kraln | how about you ask the question |
| 04:55.07 | Kraln | and if anyone is around |
| 04:55.09 | Kraln | they'll answer it! |
| 04:55.13 | bdjnk | I am using adb install [packagename].apk |
| 04:55.39 | bdjnk | and when looking into /data/app with adb shell I can see the file there |
| 04:56.00 | bdjnk | but the application doesn't show up in the emulator menu |
| 04:56.08 | bdjnk | even after a restart |
| 04:58.13 | bdjnk | I have gotten the hello, world application running by using eclipse with the android plugin. |
| 04:58.41 | bdjnk | but so far none of a dozen apk files show up at all. |
| 05:01.32 | bdjnk | Nobody has the faintest idea what the issue could be? |
| 05:03.03 | bdjnk | Kraln? Anybody? The foggiest of notions would help. |
| 05:03.18 | f00f- | run the adb whatever |
| 05:03.20 | f00f- | push or osmething |
| 05:03.21 | f00f- | i dunno |
| 05:03.23 | f00f- | it's pretty foggy |
| 05:03.27 | bdjnk | nice |
| 05:03.32 | bdjnk | that was pretty foggy |
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| 05:03.39 | f00f- | the com.blah.App/com.blah.App.MainSreen {} |
| 05:03.42 | f00f- | curly brace thingy |
| 05:03.44 | f00f- | that's it. |
| 05:03.46 | f00f- | </foggy> |
| 05:04.36 | muthu | mornin fellas |
| 05:05.22 | bdjnk | In which time zone? |
| 05:05.41 | Kraln | its 1am here |
| 05:06.02 | bdjnk | Righto, NY. |
| 05:06.07 | muthu | yeah early morning |
| 05:06.08 | Kraln | GMT-5 |
| 05:06.17 | Kraln | I'm actually in washington metro area |
| 05:06.52 | muthu | any news? |
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| 05:07.30 | chadkouse | zhobbs: are you up ? |
| 05:07.50 | muthu | chadkouse: do you run a company? |
| 05:08.56 | Kraln | news is you owe me money :-D |
| 05:09.05 | Kraln | <3 |
| 05:09.23 | muthu | lol |
| 05:09.25 | muthu | big time |
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| 05:09.32 | muthu | sure Kraln |
| 05:09.35 | bdjnk | Hey f00f. The adb push you mentioned is not going to help me, because adb install is just push with a predefined destination. |
| 05:09.36 | chadkouse | muthu: ? |
| 05:09.51 | muthu | chadkouse: do you a have a startup? |
| 05:09.58 | chadkouse | muthu: yeah |
| 05:10.05 | muthu | which one? |
| 05:10.09 | Kraln | who doesn't have a startup |
| 05:10.13 | muthu | haha |
| 05:10.15 | chadkouse | haha really... |
| 05:10.18 | muthu | true, everyone does |
| 05:10.20 | chadkouse | TuneWiki |
| 05:10.34 | muthu | how many employees? |
| 05:10.49 | bdjnk | f00f-: and adb install is doing what it is supposed to do. |
| 05:10.49 | chadkouse | can I ask why you are asking ? |
| 05:11.28 | muthu | i'm asking to get to know you |
| 05:12.17 | bdjnk | f00f-: It is the emulator which seems to be failing to give installed applications the menu shortcuts which they need |
| 05:12.26 | muthu | chadkouse: lol |
| 05:12.30 | muthu | i know |
| 05:12.41 | muthu | i run a company in chennai |
| 05:12.43 | chadkouse | muthu who are you ? |
| 05:12.45 | muthu | http://mobeegal.in |
| 05:12.59 | muthu | right now i'm focusing on android |
| 05:13.06 | muthu | hope it brings me some work |
| 05:13.08 | muthu | cool |
| 05:13.42 | chadkouse | cool -- We're all just waiting on the DEVICES! |
| 05:13.52 | muthu | right |
| 05:13.59 | muthu | and the results!! |
| 05:15.13 | chadkouse | yep |
| 05:15.19 | chadkouse | people still think it's coming Friday ? |
| 05:15.29 | chadkouse | I got another hit from a judge tonight... |
| 05:15.40 | muthu | yeah guess its friday |
| 05:15.53 | muthu | chadkouse: looks like your app is getting some love from the judges ;) |
| 05:16.06 | chadkouse | yeah either that or they're laughing at it. |
| 05:16.18 | chadkouse | "look at this peice of crap... Jim, get in here.. look at this.. hahahh!" |
| 05:16.27 | muthu | i don't think so |
| 05:16.33 | chadkouse | yeah probably not. |
| 05:16.45 | muthu | they don't have time to do that |
| 05:16.51 | muthu | they are busy evaluation the real stuff |
| 05:17.12 | chadkouse | anyone seen Zach around lately ? |
| 05:17.18 | muthu | is it similart to jasta player? |
| 05:17.23 | chadkouse | I guess I can just email him.... |
| 05:17.31 | muthu | i'm in the hunt for zhobbs.. he's missing |
| 05:17.56 | chadkouse | no I wouldn't say so... maybe in appearance.. jasta's player is all about remote media... we're dealing with local media currently... remote is coming.. |
| 05:18.07 | muthu | cool |
| 05:18.21 | chadkouse | allright well I'm outta here. |
| 05:18.30 | muthu | bye |
| 05:21.10 | chadkouse | see ya.. good luck |
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| 05:33.07 | muthu | jasta michaelnovakjr__ Dougie ligi f00f- |
| 05:33.11 | muthu | what's happening? |
| 05:33.33 | muthu | dmoffett: davidw |
| 05:34.06 | f00f- | not much man, reading up on distributed service architectures |
| 05:34.22 | f00f- | http://highscalability.com/amazon-architecture |
| 05:34.26 | f00f- | interesting site |
| 05:34.37 | muthu | cool |
| 05:34.38 | f00f- | look at all the big players' backends |
| 05:34.51 | muthu | any common traits? |
| 05:35.04 | f00f- | lots of memcached love |
| 05:35.16 | muthu | wonderful link |
| 05:35.24 | f00f- | i'm looking to start writing a distributed architecture |
| 05:35.26 | muthu | i have Kraln supporting me |
| 05:35.29 | f00f- | or try to find something to start playing with |
| 05:35.29 | muthu | so.... ;) |
| 05:35.33 | f00f- | hehe |
| 05:36.02 | muthu | f00f-: what's you day job? |
| 05:37.41 | f00f- | muthu: i work on cross-platform database tools |
| 05:37.51 | muthu | where? |
| 05:37.55 | duey | <3 memcached |
| 05:38.02 | muthu | duey: hi |
| 05:38.06 | duey | hi |
| 05:38.19 | f00f- | here in the valley, for a database company :) |
| 05:38.19 | muthu | memchached is part of apache right |
| 05:38.35 | f00f- | it's a standalone thing |
| 05:38.38 | muthu | f00f-: oh, a valley database company.. haha |
| 05:38.51 | muthu | valley is filled with db companies |
| 05:39.07 | f00f- | yeah, they come and go :) |
| 05:39.08 | muthu | but does apache provide native integration? |
| 05:39.17 | f00f- | i'm not sure about that |
| 05:39.23 | f00f- | memcached is more of an app-level integration |
| 05:39.34 | muthu | right |
| 05:39.36 | f00f- | to cache database (or any) queries |
| 05:39.43 | f00f- | to avoid hitting the db |
| 05:39.59 | muthu | you can use it from php? java? |
| 05:40.23 | f00f- | yeah i think they provide client libraries in many languages |
| 05:40.33 | muthu | great |
| 05:41.20 | duey | muthu, its like a hashtable |
| 05:41.28 | muthu | duey: that's it |
| 05:41.29 | duey | but you are not gurenteed that the data is available |
| 05:41.40 | duey | so basically you have set/get operations |
| 05:41.53 | muthu | duey: you use them? |
| 05:41.56 | duey | sure |
| 05:42.20 | muthu | good> |
| 05:42.23 | duey | very |
| 05:42.24 | muthu | ? |
| 05:42.31 | muthu | great |
| 05:42.51 | duey | its only of use if you have high db load and can isolate queries or data objects that can be cached though |
| 05:43.47 | muthu | ok |
| 05:43.58 | muthu | who doesn't have high db load these days? |
| 05:44.05 | duey | startups :)! |
| 05:44.15 | muthu | haha |
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| 06:55.12 | varjag | re |
| 06:55.17 | varjag | mm.. so friday |
| 06:55.24 | muthu | yup |
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| 07:09.54 | varjag | oh the suspense |
| 07:10.12 | muthu | atleast now, we know its friday |
| 07:10.17 | muthu | it was terrible yesterday |
| 07:13.00 | varjag | true |
| 07:13.36 | varjag | my app requires no network connectivity or servers |
| 07:13.43 | varjag | so lots of frustration |
| 07:13.53 | varjag | at least you guys know when your servers hit :) |
| 07:14.39 | duey | varjag, we also know when we are out of the compo :) |
| 07:15.27 | varjag | yea.. so it's double edged i guess |
| 07:15.32 | muthu | right |
| 07:15.41 | muthu | if you don't have the servers, you can live in a dream |
| 07:15.46 | muthu | atleast until friday |
| 07:15.48 | varjag | hehe |
| 07:15.58 | varjag | i still hope for coffee mug :) |
| 07:16.03 | muthu | haha |
| 07:16.27 | duey | send out tshirts |
| 07:16.29 | duey | that would be neat |
| 07:17.11 | Lede | good morning |
| 07:17.21 | muthu | Lede: morning |
| 07:17.24 | muthu | how are you today? |
| 07:17.37 | Lede | i have a semi boner and need to go to the bathroom |
| 07:17.46 | muthu | oh shit |
| 07:18.05 | Lede | hm, i just hit enter didnt i |
| 07:18.12 | davidw | ... |
| 07:18.15 | duey | lol |
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| 07:28.51 | varjag | pah, adc forum gets really bitter |
| 07:29.04 | varjag | google, we want free prozac |
| 07:29.06 | muthu | its been bitter for sometime |
| 07:29.14 | muthu | the waiting kills us |
| 07:29.44 | varjag | i have bad feeling it will get only worse after announcements |
| 07:30.07 | muthu | oh yeah |
| 07:30.15 | muthu | how else to vent? |
| 07:30.57 | varjag | well.. like real men do - get drunk in a pub and start a fistfight |
| 07:31.00 | varjag | :p |
| 07:31.11 | muthu | lets get it on! |
| 07:31.16 | muthu | hehe |
| 07:32.14 | duey | its going to be great fun reading them after the annocements |
| 07:32.48 | muthu | the moderators would be busy |
| 07:33.59 | duey | is it moderated? |
| 07:34.31 | muthu | every forum is moderated |
| 07:35.07 | duey | i think the web viewable google groups are moderated |
| 07:35.12 | varjag | for every *wee i won* there'll be three *your app suck* posts :) |
| 07:35.33 | duey | id personally be very quiet if i won |
| 07:35.38 | muthu | yeah, it would be more thrashing the winners |
| 07:35.48 | muthu | duey: you'll be announced |
| 07:35.52 | duey | oh sure |
| 07:35.59 | duey | but they can have all the names |
| 07:36.03 | duey | still cant contact me |
| 07:36.09 | muthu | haha |
| 07:36.10 | duey | (easily) |
| 07:36.25 | muthu | we know who you are ;) |
| 07:36.32 | duey | :( |
| 07:36.36 | duey | hides |
| 07:36.39 | muthu | hehe |
| 07:36.47 | muthu | lol |
| 07:36.55 | muthu | count on me to do the BREAKING news on you!! |
| 07:36.55 | iamnotduey | ssh |
| 07:37.03 | iamnotduey | haha |
| 07:37.26 | muthu | any movie buffs here? |
| 07:37.28 | duey | you are going to be busy writing 50xBreaking news posts |
| 07:37.40 | muthu | duey: only 1 |
| 07:37.51 | muthu | congratulating.. and it will be short |
| 07:39.05 | duey | ive got complete writers block |
| 07:39.09 | duey | trying to write areport |
| 07:39.14 | duey | and nothing is happening! |
| 07:39.20 | muthu | that happens |
| 07:39.29 | duey | due tomorrow :( |
| 07:39.39 | muthu | start typing.. it will happen |
| 07:39.43 | duey | only got 5 pages done and im not happy with it |
| 07:39.57 | muthu | how many pages? |
| 07:41.41 | duey | 4-8 |
| 07:41.49 | duey | need one more |
| 07:42.05 | duey | (1 of my 5 pages is a titlepage) |
| 07:42.57 | muthu | write it |
| 07:43.12 | muthu | first draft just write the words |
| 07:44.17 | duey | heh i have red "MORE" text all over the place |
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| 08:04.04 | bdjnk | I have a problem getting apk files to fully install. |
| 08:04.11 | bdjnk | I am using adb install [packagename].apk |
| 08:04.34 | muthu | what's the problem? |
| 08:04.35 | bdjnk | and when I look in /data/app with adb shell I can see the file is put there |
| 08:04.44 | bdjnk | but the application doesn't show up in the emulator menu |
| 08:04.56 | bdjnk | even after a restart |
| 08:05.00 | muthu | emulator -wipe-data |
| 08:05.02 | muthu | try that |
| 08:05.26 | bdjnk | righto, off to try |
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| 08:12.29 | bdjnk | all that emulator -wipe-data seems to do is replace the current data folder with the default one |
| 08:12.49 | bdjnk | programs installed afterwards are still not showing up in the menu |
| 08:12.54 | bdjnk | muthu. |
| 08:12.55 | muthu | then do adb install |
| 08:12.55 | davidw | a good alternative to waiting around for the ADC: having a baby:-) |
| 08:13.07 | bdjnk | yes |
| 08:13.15 | muthu | davidw: have you got yours? |
| 08:13.27 | davidw | yeah |
| 08:13.32 | muthu | cooool! |
| 08:13.36 | duey | is it out ?! |
| 08:13.37 | davidw | infact I need to run off to the hospital now |
| 08:13.40 | muthu | congrats new dad :) |
| 08:13.44 | duey | cool |
| 08:13.49 | muthu | boy or girl? |
| 08:13.51 | duey | would be double cool if you won adc |
| 08:14.46 | bdjnk | muthu: I used adb install and the apk files end up in /data/app but they don't show up in the menu. |
| 08:14.55 | davidw | it's a girl |
| 08:14.56 | bdjnk | Even after a reboot of the emulator |
| 08:14.59 | duey | what sdk are you using |
| 08:15.03 | Lede | davidw: nice, good luck! |
| 08:15.11 | muthu | davidw: wonderful, cute little daughter |
| 08:15.27 | duey | congrats on not getting any sleep for the next year |
| 08:15.32 | muthu | bdjnk: hmm |
| 08:15.39 | muthu | logcat showing anything? |
| 08:15.42 | davidw | hehehe |
| 08:16.43 | muthu | name her 'luckydroid' :) |
| 08:17.18 | duey | :\ |
| 08:17.40 | bdjnk | muthu: And here I show my absolute ignorance: what is logcat and how do I use it? (I am running the latest sdk in windows xp sp2) |
| 08:17.49 | duey | do you use eclipse |
| 08:18.26 | davidw | http://padovachronicles.welton.it/articles/2008/05/08/helen-carolina-welton |
| 08:18.43 | bdjnk | I have got eclipse installed with the android plugin thing. |
| 08:19.14 | bdjnk | In fact when I create a hello, world app and run it, it does show up in the menu |
| 08:19.36 | muthu | davidw: cute |
| 08:19.39 | muthu | have fun |
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| 08:42.12 | muthu | lol |
| 08:42.18 | muthu | have a great idea for a post |
| 08:43.40 | Lede | what is it |
| 08:44.02 | muthu | Lede: i'll post soon.. watch out in http://helloandroid.com |
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| 09:42.38 | varjag | mm.. adc forum is better than soap opera |
| 09:43.10 | muthu | you want real drama, check this out: |
| 09:43.12 | muthu | http://www.helloandroid.com/node/545 |
| 09:43.16 | muthu | lol |
| 09:49.15 | varjag | hehe |
| 09:51.51 | muthu | hope people find it funny |
| 09:52.01 | varjag | well |
| 09:52.10 | varjag | at this point you'll get flamed no matter what you say |
| 09:52.14 | muthu | haha |
| 09:52.17 | muthu | i know |
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| 13:41.22 | muthu | wake up droids |
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| 14:04.01 | michaelnovakjr__ | yamn |
| 14:04.10 | michaelnovakjr__ | yawn |
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| 14:37.17 | vol_ | I have an array of ints, arrayOne, and a smaller subset of ints arrayTwo |
| 14:37.28 | vol_ | I want to get all of the ints that are in arrayOne and not arrayTwo |
| 14:37.36 | vol_ | how do I do this in something better than n^2 time? |
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| 14:40.27 | ligi | vol_: do u do it multiple times on one array tuple ? |
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| 14:41.00 | ligi | ah no ok |
| 14:41.03 | ligi | on the 2. read |
| 14:41.04 | ligi | ^^ |
| 14:42.02 | ligi | hm - then i think there's not much u can do |
| 14:42.07 | ligi | you have to compare |
| 14:42.31 | vol_ | ah, they're sorted come to think of it |
| 14:42.34 | vol_ | so it's not that hard |
| 14:42.35 | vol_ | nevermind |
| 14:43.17 | ligi | ah presortet - then ther should be some trix to do |
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| 14:46.04 | vol_ | yeah |
| 14:46.18 | vol_ | iterate through both arrays at once |
| 14:46.27 | vol_ | it turns into 2n |
| 14:46.29 | vol_ | well |
| 14:46.31 | vol_ | n*m |
| 14:46.32 | vol_ | er |
| 14:46.34 | vol_ | n+m |
| 14:47.04 | Lede | holy shit, you can figure out the run time cost in your head? |
| 14:47.35 | ligi | i had to learn this too once |
| 14:47.39 | ligi | but long ago |
| 14:47.41 | ligi | ^^ |
| 14:47.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | same here |
| 14:47.52 | ligi | now just estimate whats better - no calcing |
| 14:47.52 | vol_ | uh... |
| 14:48.01 | vol_ | I didn't figure it out, I guessed. |
| 14:48.05 | vol_ | but I'm pretty sure I'm right |
| 14:48.10 | michaelnovakjr__ | how about recursively |
| 14:48.17 | ligi | vol_: think so too |
| 14:48.54 | Lede | i was thinking of a divide and conquer approach aswell |
| 14:48.55 | ligi | vol_: perhaps you can break @ arr1.leghth-found==arr2.length and save some more time |
| 14:49.12 | vol_ | it definately won't be the same that way |
| 14:49.16 | vol_ | this is ipc stuff |
| 14:49.26 | vol_ | so even if they're equivolent they're almost certain to not be the same object |
| 14:49.38 | vol_ | basically, I'm registering a list of things to generate a callback on |
| 14:49.49 | vol_ | and then I have a remove method that provides a list of things I no longer want a callback on |
| 14:49.53 | vol_ | the ints are id vals |
| 14:50.05 | vol_ | autogenerated and sequentially incrementing |
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| 14:51.08 | ligi | i should sleep a bit - thinking issnt really working anymore |
| 14:51.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | good idea |
| 14:51.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | you'd be surprised how walking away ends up making the problem stare you in the face |
| 14:51.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | except when rested you actually see it! |
| 14:52.56 | Lede | i also recommend drinking horse urine, it's rich in omega-3 acids |
| 14:53.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | i do every morning |
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| 14:53.19 | Lede | :) |
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| 16:49.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | real quiet today |
| 16:50.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | should have set this topic weeks ago :) |
| 16:50.14 | muthu | are you serious? |
| 16:50.27 | muthu | have you checked the forums? |
| 16:50.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | i meant here its quiet |
| 16:50.35 | muthu | HOT! |
| 16:51.01 | muthu | its quiet here, agree |
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| 16:52.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | so when do you think they'll announce it ;) |
| 17:01.21 | muthu | haha |
| 17:01.25 | muthu | May 9 |
| 17:01.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | 1 hour 59 minutes |
| 17:01.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 17:01.56 | muthu | what? |
| 17:01.59 | muthu | 1 day.. |
| 17:02.18 | michaelnovakjr__ | well, also 1 hour and now 58 minutes |
| 17:06.00 | Lede | really? |
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| 17:08.08 | michaelnovakjr__ | till noon |
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| 17:13.08 | morrildl | *sigh* |
| 17:13.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | what's up |
| 17:14.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | tired morrildl |
| 17:19.11 | muthu | morrildl: hi |
| 17:19.13 | muthu | tired? |
| 17:21.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | maybe he fell asleep at his desk |
| 17:21.49 | muthu | what happened? |
| 17:21.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | ? |
| 17:22.07 | muthu | morrildl: did you say something? |
| 17:22.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | *sigh*... that was it... calm down there its ok :) |
| 17:22.31 | muthu | haha |
| 17:22.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | someone's a bit jumpy :) |
| 17:22.43 | muthu | :) |
| 17:23.24 | muthu | after the results, i'm taking off for 2 months |
| 17:23.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | nice |
| 17:23.33 | muthu | not going to visit the forums, channels etc., |
| 17:23.40 | muthu | just sit back and relax |
| 17:23.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | interesting |
| 17:23.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | is that win or lose? |
| 17:24.06 | muthu | lose would make it easier |
| 17:24.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | you mean win would? |
| 17:24.22 | michaelnovakjr__ | $25K |
| 17:24.30 | muthu | win - you want to check the channels for p2 |
| 17:24.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | true |
| 17:24.46 | muthu | lose, you can just disappear |
| 17:24.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | or code in silence :) |
| 17:24.52 | muthu | haha |
| 17:26.09 | Lede | 19:22 < muthu> morrildl: did you say something? |
| 17:26.11 | Lede | lol! |
| 17:26.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 17:26.35 | Lede | sssh, i can hear him type! |
| 17:26.41 | muthu | lol |
| 17:26.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | ooooo |
| 17:26.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | its coming >>>>>>>>> |
| 17:26.55 | michaelnovakjr__ | ::gas:: |
| 17:28.21 | Lede | i'm turning crazy, i actually want to lose |
| 17:28.27 | Lede | ._o |
| 17:29.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
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| 17:42.04 | jasta | yawn |
| 17:42.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | whats up |
| 17:44.10 | jasta | i'm nervous that i got no hits since last Sunday :) |
| 17:44.18 | jasta | thats not good, methinks |
| 17:44.41 | muthu | jasta: zhobbs had done a media player like you |
| 17:44.49 | jasta | no, he had done a media player |
| 17:44.51 | jasta | not like mine |
| 17:45.04 | muthu | right its a bit different |
| 17:45.34 | muthu | it doesn't do remote sync |
| 17:45.42 | muthu | its only local |
| 17:45.56 | jasta | his unique feature is that it accesses lyrics |
| 17:46.09 | muthu | correct |
| 17:57.39 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta i got last hit when you did |
| 17:57.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | last sunday i got hit and that was it |
| 17:57.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | nothing since then |
| 17:59.38 | jasta | yeah |
| 17:59.44 | jasta | oh well, i'm okay with not winning |
| 17:59.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | same here |
| 17:59.55 | michaelnovakjr__ | but it could mean our apps were cool! |
| 18:00.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | its a toss up |
| 18:00.06 | jasta | but, i'm not okay with a bunch of stupid apps winning. ones that never even get used. |
| 18:00.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | i don't think you can go by server testing... i believe morrildl confirmed that |
| 18:00.40 | jasta | i'm happy to share the stage withs tupid apps, but if i get beat out completely by 50 lame piece of crap things, iw ill be really pissed :) |
| 18:00.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
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| 18:01.37 | jasta | i think thats a fair attitude :) |
| 18:01.46 | michaelnovakjr__ | indeed |
| 18:02.59 | jasta | im still going to go ont o produce and release my app for android devices |
| 18:03.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | as you should, its a kick ass app |
| 18:03.18 | jasta | so if it ends up being that mine is a much bigger hit than most of the ADC winners, then we can rest assured that the judges are idiots |
| 18:03.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 18:03.32 | jasta | and not waste time with ADC II :) |
| 18:03.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | very true |
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| 18:04.09 | flip | hi |
| 18:04.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am still hoping to get the sms service out the door tomorrow.... i just hate website designing |
| 18:04.32 | jasta | anyway, off to work |
| 18:04.36 | jasta | then Minus the Bear tonight, woooo! :) |
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| 18:04.51 | flip | total newbie question --- is there a phone in exsistance that runs android? even w/ modification |
| 18:05.32 | jasta | flip: kinda not really |
| 18:05.39 | jasta | none that work as phones |
| 18:05.44 | michaelnovakjr__ | Minus the Bear!! |
| 18:05.57 | jasta | except those that google employees have |
| 18:06.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | http://darwen.us/darrell/blographics/070403zb.jpg |
| 18:06.08 | flip | ah ok |
| 18:06.18 | flip | jasta: so as an app device yes;; but doesnt dial or anything yet? |
| 18:06.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | not really flip |
| 18:06.42 | flip | ok cool enough |
| 18:06.44 | michaelnovakjr__ | we use the emulator |
| 18:06.55 | flip | does the 'emulator' that i see screenshots w/ come in the SDK? |
| 18:07.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes |
| 18:07.10 | michaelnovakjr__ | the emulator is included with the sdk |
| 18:07.13 | flip | i see rumors on phandroid of a phone w/ tmobile end of year |
| 18:07.24 | flip | so i guess ill play w/ the SDK and keep using my bberry :F |
| 18:07.26 | flip | thanks man :) |
| 18:07.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | htc also says that |
| 18:07.32 | flip | htc? |
| 18:07.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | htc is going to be making an android phone later this year |
| 18:08.14 | flip | i never even heard of htc until just now |
| 18:08.15 | flip | :) :) |
| 18:08.20 | flip | looking at their site now |
| 18:08.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | they have some cool devices |
| 18:09.09 | flip | ya ya --- i mean i heard of the dash and the wing |
| 18:09.13 | flip | i just never heard the name htc |
| 18:09.17 | flip | i think my friend had a dash |
| 18:09.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | i have a touch, just dont like winmo |
| 18:10.05 | flip | i have a blackberry curve |
| 18:10.10 | flip | winmo is nearly unuseable for me |
| 18:10.24 | flip | and im pretty half decent w/ java dev... so i wanted to play w/ droid |
| 18:10.29 | flip | but i wanna run it on a phone to lol |
| 18:11.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | totally..... for dev work the emulator is good enough for now |
| 18:11.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | you can atleast have the app running and then tweak it when you have a test device |
| 18:11.48 | flip | does the OS itself start in the emulator? like the 'home screen' i guess i would say |
| 18:11.58 | flip | <-- still deosnt nkow alot about android |
| 18:12.08 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes |
| 18:14.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | emulator has some basic stuff on it |
| 18:15.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | you can simulate stuff for testing as well |
| 18:15.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | there's a lot about the emulator at http://code.google.com/android |
| 18:15.41 | flip | mi downloading the SDK right now |
| 18:15.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | cool |
| 18:16.12 | flip | anyone know what the prelim specs for the HTC device is going to be? |
| 18:16.14 | flip | storage etc |
| 18:19.50 | jasta | no, its all just wild speculation |
| 18:19.58 | flip | oh ok |
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| 19:23.16 | michaelnovakjr__ | its refreshing to start working on a new idea for android |
| 19:33.07 | jasta | what are you working on? |
| 19:40.44 | Lede | i was planning to write something else after the ADC, a benchmarking tool for android phones |
| 19:40.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | not sure yet jasta, working on an idea :) |
| 19:40.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | fill in the gap that is bound to come from crappy apps |
| 19:41.11 | Lede | which tests both CPU and the GPU (or atleast the opengl performance) on the phones |
| 19:41.41 | Lede | because i bet a lot of people would like to see benchmarks for phones |
| 19:42.12 | Lede | but that idea is pretty much vapor |
| 19:42.23 | Lede | unless someone is reading this and does it faster then me |
| 19:43.48 | Lede | besides, we will need to wait and see how many phones will use android as their operating system |
| 19:44.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | true |
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| 20:01.24 | jasta | i want to write lots of things, but i dont want to start any of them until this project is mature |
| 20:02.14 | jerkface03 | what else are you planning on doing? |
| 20:06.28 | Lede | jasta: same here |
| 20:07.32 | jasta | i've mentioned a few of them before |
| 20:07.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | i like the ex-girlfriend one |
| 20:07.51 | jasta | an app to guard you against overusage of your plan, things like that |
| 20:08.04 | jasta | also, i want to write a solitaire game pack :) |
| 20:08.13 | jasta | generalize card game engine |
| 20:08.17 | jasta | generalized* |
| 20:16.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | i want to write a cooking app |
| 20:17.55 | jasta | wow, GLADE has gotten way less sucky since i last used it |
| 20:18.05 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: thats what muthu wrote, apparently, but he hasn't shown anyone |
| 20:19.55 | michaelnovakjr__ | mine's different |
| 20:20.00 | michaelnovakjr__ | it'll actually cook you something :) |
| 20:21.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta, what do you use to code in when working on GTK apps? just a text editor and glade? or do you use an IDE? |
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| 20:35.43 | jasta | well, i havent done GTK development in years |
| 20:35.50 | jasta | this time around i'm using a text editor and glade |
| 20:35.54 | jasta | i used to use a text editor only :) |
| 20:35.54 | michaelnovakjr__ | cool |
| 20:36.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 20:36.02 | jasta | though, vim is the text editor |
| 20:36.11 | jasta | so i guess you couldnt really call that just a text editor |
| 20:36.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea, i am an emacs fan |
| 20:36.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | although vim is cool |
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| 20:39.57 | f00f- | LOL |
| 20:40.06 | f00f- | everytime someone mentions vim or emacs |
| 20:40.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | they are really cool |
| 20:40.24 | michaelnovakjr__ | i like simple |
| 20:40.25 | f00f- | someone always has to promote one or the other |
| 20:40.36 | michaelnovakjr__ | and/or the other :) |
| 20:40.36 | f00f- | i agree, i use one of them. |
| 20:40.51 | varjag | michaelnovakjr__, you can't like both :) |
| 20:40.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | why not |
| 20:41.00 | varjag | it's a law of universe |
| 20:41.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | ? |
| 20:41.41 | f00f- | well put. |
| 20:41.53 | varjag | also, you called emacs simple :p |
| 20:41.54 | michaelnovakjr__ | f00f-: law of universe or the ? |
| 20:42.05 | f00f- | both |
| 20:42.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | varjag: it is simple |
| 20:42.56 | varjag | C-x C-b ], quick :p |
| 20:43.17 | varjag | is an emacs user actually |
| 20:43.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | HAHA |
| 20:45.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | i actually prefer visual studio over anything |
| 20:45.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | cause its lame |
| 20:48.15 | Lede | f00f-: there also always some that need to join in and mention they use nano or pico |
| 20:48.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | nano! |
| 20:48.31 | Lede | holyshit |
| 20:48.39 | Lede | there is also always someone* |
| 20:48.46 | michaelnovakjr__ | nano! |
| 20:49.20 | Lede | sets michaelnovakjr__ login shell to emacs |
| 20:49.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | lok |
| 20:49.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | lol |
| 20:49.36 | michaelnovakjr__ | nano is pretty simple |
| 20:49.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | i don't mind it |
| 20:49.49 | Lede | yeah it's simple |
| 20:50.27 | Lede | the first time i tried to use emacs i needed to reboot because i couldnt figure out how to exit it (there was no X server running and i was pretty much new to linux) |
| 20:50.46 | f00f- | Lede: same here man |
| 20:50.49 | f00f- | cant exit the shit |
| 20:52.44 | Lede | man, one more day |
| 20:53.08 | Hai-Fai | vim or nano! |
| 20:53.23 | Hai-Fai | =P |
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| 20:54.22 | f00f- | vim for the win. period. |
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| 21:03.46 | varjag | vim is a modal editor |
| 21:03.50 | varjag | it has two modes |
| 21:03.56 | varjag | beep, and ruin everything |
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| 21:11.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | nano is pretty tight |
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| 21:23.14 | dmoffett | Are you running vim on the Android emulator. |
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| 21:35.50 | zhobbs | twiddles thumbs waiting for results |
| 21:46.17 | Hai-Fai | yeah, sad, it's already 45minutes over midnight and no results so far.. |
| 21:47.15 | poffy | Only 4:47 PM on Thursday, here |
| 21:54.46 | jasta | only google's time matters, which is 3pm Thursday. |
| 21:55.05 | poffy | heh |
| 21:55.39 | Lede | points at topic |
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| 22:05.00 | cutmasta | mornin |
| 22:05.02 | cutmasta | :) |
| 22:06.57 | Lede | yeah technically it is morning |
| 22:07.31 | Lede | but i rather sleep now then have breakfast at 12:07 AM |
| 22:07.39 | Lede | x) |
| 22:08.13 | cutmasta | i will do so too :) |
| 22:17.25 | cutmasta | bye all |
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| 22:33.40 | coderjjt009 | anyone here? |
| 22:33.48 | coderjjt009 | any news about the results |
| 22:34.38 | jasta | ponders how to use libsexy with GLADE |
| 22:34.59 | coderjjt009 | jasta: so no hits? |
| 22:35.04 | jasta | nope, whatever |
| 22:35.13 | coderjjt009 | dude, it's cool |
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| 22:35.19 | coderjjt009 | i think the judges got it wrong |
| 22:35.25 | coderjjt009 | hopefully people like enkin didn't win |
| 22:35.26 | umdk1d3 | mmmm friday :) |
| 22:35.27 | jasta | still, whatever |
| 22:35.54 | umdk1d3 | wait coderjjt009 whats wrong with enkin? |
| 22:36.02 | coderjjt009 | it's freaking useless |
| 22:36.04 | umdk1d3 | stumbles into convo in progress :P |
| 22:36.22 | umdk1d3 | hmm i disagree |
| 22:36.25 | coderjjt009 | it's all looks and no practical functionality |
| 22:36.29 | coderjjt009 | jasta will second me on this |
| 22:36.45 | umdk1d3 | picture all your favorite futuristic movies where we have "marked-up" worlds |
| 22:36.50 | umdk1d3 | like live HUD's |
| 22:37.06 | umdk1d3 | theres a reason the millitary uses HUDs--they work ;) |
| 22:37.13 | coderjjt009 | i guess, but i can't really see myself using it |
| 22:37.24 | umdk1d3 | how many times do you get disoriented in a city |
| 22:37.33 | umdk1d3 | pull out your phone and see things marked up in the distance |
| 22:37.35 | coderjjt009 | well, i don't live in the city |
| 22:37.38 | umdk1d3 | "oh the airport is that way" |
| 22:37.44 | coderjjt009 | yeah, true |
| 22:37.50 | coderjjt009 | i guess certain people would find it useful |
| 22:38.01 | umdk1d3 | true, most of the other stuff was "meh" |
| 22:38.06 | umdk1d3 | like google earth on android |
| 22:38.13 | coderjjt009 | yeah |
| 22:38.16 | umdk1d3 | that was obvious and not extremely innovative |
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| 22:38.27 | coderjjt009 | right |
| 22:38.37 | coderjjt009 | umdk1d3: your server got any hits? |
| 22:38.41 | jasta | i really would just prefer to wait for the results and not talk about it :) |
| 22:39.03 | umdk1d3 | coderjjt009: since when? ;) |
| 22:39.11 | coderjjt009 | may 4? |
| 22:39.30 | coderjjt009 | phase 2 timeframe i mean |
| 22:39.37 | umdk1d3 | my app only used a server if the user chose to |
| 22:39.37 | coderjjt009 | yeah, so may 4 is right |
| 22:39.47 | coderjjt009 | what was it? |
| 22:39.49 | umdk1d3 | so i havent seen any hits :/ |
| 22:39.57 | umdk1d3 | keeps irc and irl ident separate ;) |
| 22:40.08 | coderjjt009 | what's your app? |
| 22:40.37 | coderjjt009 | x,ccc, c,ccmxxx,zzzmmmzz,,,zzmz,,zmz,zmz,zmz,zmz,zmz,zmz,zmz,zmz,zmz,zmz,zmz,z |
| 22:40.52 | coderjjt009 | sorry |
| 22:41.51 | umdk1d3 | well the app is tied to my irl ident ;) |
| 22:42.29 | umdk1d3 | but it made http://www.anddev.org/must_see_android_challenge_submissions-t1746.html |
| 22:44.29 | jasta | my app isn't listed there ;) |
| 22:44.48 | coderjjt009 | elimatta? |
| 22:44.54 | coderjjt009 | hmm? |
| 22:45.10 | coderjjt009 | some of the apps on there aren't too great |
| 22:45.43 | coderjjt009 | in terms of ingenuity |
| 22:45.49 | umdk1d3 | true true |
| 22:45.56 | coderjjt009 | is yours elimatta? |
| 22:46.27 | umdk1d3 | im just trying to figure out what the other ~1500 projects are that somehow arent being publcly announced |
| 22:46.54 | jasta | there are lots of developers who couldn't give a shit about all these stupid android web pages |
| 22:46.55 | umdk1d3 | i mean yea its the authors choice, but thats a huge unknown |
| 22:47.06 | jasta | and android-challenge is complete drivel, so i am not surprised most people avoided it |
| 22:47.19 | jasta | i posted ONCE to android-challenge, and folks have mostly forgotten that mine even exists |
| 22:47.22 | jasta | except in here |
| 22:47.25 | umdk1d3 | lol @ google group |
| 22:47.42 | umdk1d3 | of course they could make fun of irc in the same way :P |
| 22:47.55 | jasta | android-developers is great and useful |
| 22:48.25 | jasta | but android-challenge is embarrassing. |
| 22:48.43 | coderjjt009 | umdk1d3: wait, so which app is yours on the page? |
| 22:48.46 | coderjjt009 | what's the name? |
| 22:49.23 | umdk1d3 | ... |
| 22:51.06 | jerkface03 | I hope the results come out tmrw |
| 22:51.19 | coderjjt009 | umdk1d3: you didn't confirm whether it was elimatta? |
| 22:51.24 | jerkface03 | but I suspect that they won't |
| 22:54.17 | jasta | jerkface03: ditto. |
| 22:54.37 | jasta | i'm making a ton of progress on my server component though |
| 22:54.43 | jasta | i'm getting very excited about this project coming together |
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| 22:56.16 | coderjjt009 | hey guys, quick question |
| 22:56.20 | coderjjt009 | is judging definitely complete? |
| 22:56.34 | coderjjt009 | i need to turn off my server for an operating system upgrade, but was unsure whether i should do so.. |
| 22:57.22 | jasta | i am certain it is, but i would still leave your server up :) |
| 22:57.36 | coderjjt009 | jasta: why? |
| 22:57.47 | jasta | what if one of the 50 is found to be disqualified, and you are #51? :) |
| 22:57.48 | Lede | imagine getting removed from the top 50 the last moment .. |
| 22:58.28 | coderjjt009 | but if was 51, i wouldn't be judged again, i would just be moved up to slot 50 |
| 22:58.38 | jasta | maybe, maybe not: just leave it up. |
| 22:58.51 | jasta | when the winners are announced, shut it down. |
| 22:58.52 | coderjjt009 | ok, but i'm itching to see the new version of ubuntu |
| 22:58.59 | coderjjt009 | 8.04 |
| 22:59.04 | coderjjt009 | sounds like it'll be awesome |
| 22:59.35 | jerkface03 | prepare to be disappointed |
| 23:01.13 | coderjjt009 | jerkface03: why? |
| 23:04.47 | jasta | i have it installed, it's not that special |
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| 23:04.56 | jasta | though, compiz-config has been improved a LOT |
| 23:04.58 | jasta | that's nice |
| 23:11.24 | umdk1d3 | mmm gentoo <3 |
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| 23:29.20 | f00f- | i was on the bleeding edge of compiiz earlier so no big changes |
| 23:29.31 | f00f- | one noticeable change is that the file browser in gnome |
| 23:29.38 | f00f- | has small thumbnails for image files |
| 23:30.14 | f00f- | which i've been waiting for years on |
| 23:30.33 | f00f- | lots of updates in the past few days though |
| 23:30.41 | f00f- | makes me think they prematurely released something |
| 23:33.04 | jasta | thats how it always goes, though |
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