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| 01:44.01 | trigatch4 | I can't wait until Google publishes the list of all 50... |
| 01:48.07 | living_sword | it will be surprising |
| 01:49.08 | living_sword | i dont think they'll have 50 apps to list |
| 01:50.19 | trigatch4 | really? |
| 01:50.33 | trigatch4 | some people will keep their apps under wraps... secret? |
| 01:51.21 | trigatch4 | it would make sense to do so since a big corporation could take the idea and throw a ton of funding behind it, bring a more polished version to market and put funding into promotion as well |
| 01:51.28 | trigatch4 | it will be interesting though for sure |
| 01:51.54 | living_sword | yeah |
| 02:12.36 | jtoy | i never got a rejection letter! |
| 02:13.41 | living_sword | in one thread it was said to send a mail to android-support@gmail.com |
| 02:24.50 | jtoy | thanks, i jusdt emailed them asking to send me my failure email, ahhaah |
| 02:32.12 | duey | :? |
| 02:32.15 | duey | @gmail? |
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| 03:38.05 | jasta | yawn |
| 03:38.06 | jasta | hey duey |
| 03:38.58 | duey | hi |
| 03:40.29 | jasta | i'm tidying my app to release the source very soon |
| 03:51.53 | jasta | man i am very curious to see what the new SDK brings... |
| 03:51.56 | jasta | they have been working for months |
| 03:58.39 | duey | i reckon they have been boozing and not getting any work done |
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| 04:23.39 | romainguy__ | duey: I wish |
| 04:24.55 | Kraln | probably boozing AND getting work done |
| 04:28.43 | trigatch4 | haha... you'll know if they announce it as: Anadaeroisd SDKSS RC 141242141 |
| 04:54.37 | Kraln | Android SSSS |
| 04:54.41 | Kraln | android SSSSSSSSSSSDDDD |
| 04:54.44 | Kraln | andoird sdk |
| 04:54.48 | Kraln | and fuck you for asking |
| 04:54.50 | Kraln | ;lol |
| 04:56.46 | jerkface03 | stop violating my virgin ears with all your profanity |
| 05:00.41 | trigatch4 | maybe you should be virginears03? |
| 05:01.20 | jasta | i saw Cloud Cult in Portland last night and they were so unbelievably awesome |
| 05:01.32 | jasta | i've seen them a couple of times and this last show was just incredible |
| 05:03.00 | jasta | probably one of my top 5 favorite shows |
| 05:03.23 | jasta | up there with a Minus The Bear show last year, and a Death Cab / Stars show two years ago |
| 05:12.07 | jerkface03 | what? |
| 05:12.11 | jerkface03 | man this song is great |
| 05:12.12 | jerkface03 | it's about pancakes |
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| 06:50.39 | |_LinK_| | Beryllium, really |
| 06:50.58 | |_LinK_| | ty |
| 06:52.43 | Beryllium | you're welcome :) |
| 06:53.39 | Beryllium | I think Android will be coming on a wide range of devices, so it may be possible to get one for less than an iPhone, when they eventually are announced |
| 06:55.02 | |_LinK_| | how much is an iPhone? |
| 06:55.15 | |_LinK_| | here is expensive... is more cheap I import one than buy here |
| 06:55.20 | Beryllium | I forget, they don't sell them here in Canada yet. 400 to 600 dollars US, I think. |
| 06:55.44 | |_LinK_| | wow |
| 06:56.06 | |_LinK_| | 1020 here |
| 06:56.21 | |_LinK_| | 680 - 1020 |
| 06:56.33 | |_LinK_| | damn.... |
| 06:56.47 | Beryllium | but many android devices will probably cost less than that |
| 06:57.13 | |_LinK_| | until they come to brazil will take much time |
| 06:57.37 | |_LinK_| | (if it isn't released in usa yet) |
| 06:57.37 | Beryllium | indeed |
| 06:57.40 | Beryllium | anyway, bedtime :) |
| 06:57.54 | |_LinK_| | yes |
| 06:57.59 | |_LinK_| | c ya |
| 06:58.06 | |_LinK_| | I will be here at morning |
| 06:58.17 | |_LinK_| | (at morning? in morning? on morning?) |
| 06:58.29 | Beryllium | "in the morning" |
| 06:58.55 | Beryllium | or, sometimes, "tomorrow morning" |
| 06:59.26 | |_LinK_| | ty... I never know when I may use IN, ON and AT |
| 06:59.43 | |_LinK_| | but it is fine |
| 06:59.48 | |_LinK_| | the people understand me auuhahuahuaUHa |
| 06:59.52 | |_LinK_| | c ya people |
| 06:59.53 | Beryllium | I just spent the last week in Mexico with most people speaking spanish .... and I don't speak a word of it. So I know the feeling. :) |
| 07:00.04 | |_LinK_| | ty Beryllium |
| 07:00.11 | |_LinK_| | ahuhauhuahuahuAhua |
| 07:00.24 | Beryllium | well, okay, that's not entirely true - I know "gracias" ... :) |
| 07:00.26 | |_LinK_| | speak a seconde language give me some type of agony |
| 07:00.37 | |_LinK_| | second* |
| 07:00.57 | |_LinK_| | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh as vezes dá uns surtos e preciso falar português aHUhuahuahuauha |
| 07:01.11 | |_LinK_| | sometimes I need speak portuguese |
| 07:01.25 | |_LinK_| | spanish r0x |
| 07:01.46 | |_LinK_| | castellano |
| 07:01.47 | Beryllium | "donde esta la bano" ... or is it el bano? heh |
| 07:02.15 | |_LinK_| | bano I never heard |
| 07:02.41 | Beryllium | well, it has an accented "n" that I didn't want to futz around with typing :) |
| 07:02.58 | Beryllium | anyway, most travel guides say it's the spanish way of saying "bathroom" or "restroom" |
| 07:03.39 | |_LinK_| | ahhhh |
| 07:03.41 | |_LinK_| | baño |
| 07:03.56 | Beryllium | that's t he one |
| 07:04.09 | |_LinK_| | for us that speak latin languages the "nasal sound" is natural |
| 07:04.11 | Beryllium | I'd h ave had to use Alt-02xx |
| 07:04.18 | |_LinK_| | ñ sounds equal nh |
| 07:04.30 | Beryllium | "ban-yo" is how I'd pronounce it |
| 07:04.51 | |_LinK_| | here we use "banho" to "take a shower" |
| 07:05.03 | |_LinK_| | and the bathroom is banheiro here |
| 07:05.14 | Beryllium | makes more sense that way, IMHO |
| 07:05.18 | |_LinK_| | nh and lh are very used |
| 07:05.30 | Beryllium | anyway, sleep! :) buenas noches |
| 07:05.37 | |_LinK_| | aHUaHUaHU buenas |
| 07:05.42 | |_LinK_| | hasta la vista |
| 07:05.57 | |_LinK_| | yo estarei acá cuando amaneceres |
| 07:06.15 | |_LinK_| | c ya aUHaHUAHUHUuah |
| 07:06.16 | |_LinK_| | t+ |
| 07:07.50 | |_LinK_| | and only for curiosity... |
| 07:08.00 | |_LinK_| | Beryllium here is Berílio |
| 07:08.14 | |_LinK_| | with i acute |
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| 07:15.30 | nil936 | my class extends ImageView and I want to place a few buttons on it.How can i do that |
| 07:15.52 | nil936 | can anybody please help me |
| 07:17.39 | nil936 | is there naybody to help me |
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| 07:47.23 | living_sword | any1 thinks google will meet monday's deadline to publish winner's list ? |
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| 10:05.01 | muthu1 | duey: you there? |
| 10:05.18 | duey | yes |
| 10:05.32 | muthu1 | are you busy with exams? |
| 10:05.42 | duey | no |
| 10:05.43 | duey | hons |
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| 10:06.01 | muthu1 | can you give me your email? |
| 10:06.08 | muthu1 | will send you some message |
| 10:06.30 | duey | see pm |
| 10:06.36 | muthu1 | ok |
| 10:06.43 | muthu1 | thx |
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| 10:08.57 | muthu1 | send a message, check it out |
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| 10:11.17 | muthu1 | cool |
| 10:11.24 | duey | yeah so |
| 10:11.32 | muthu1 | np |
| 10:11.42 | duey | im already behind on my hons |
| 10:11.46 | duey | dont think it would be wise |
| 10:11.49 | muthu1 | yeah do that |
| 10:11.59 | duey | maybe next adc |
| 10:12.03 | muthu1 | sure |
| 10:12.16 | muthu1 | 2 is always waiting :-) |
| 10:12.27 | duey | yep |
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| 13:09.08 | Dougie187 | Good morning everyone |
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| 13:19.20 | Dougie187 | blackberry made an ADCish fund. |
| 13:20.27 | muthu1 | Dougie187: yeah, that's cool |
| 13:21.18 | Dougie187 | 150m |
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| 15:13.24 | AhtiK | Dougie187: yep, and there's a 100m iPhone-only start-up fund |
| 15:13.42 | AhtiK | Dougie187: aka iFund |
| 15:13.53 | Dougie187 | yeah i heard about that one |
| 15:13.56 | Dougie187 | just not about the rim one |
| 15:14.10 | michaelnovakjr__ | i was surprised at the new rim phone |
| 15:14.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | i expected a bit more from them |
| 15:14.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | for one some form of touch screen should have been on that phone |
| 15:21.40 | jasta | yawn |
| 15:31.29 | Dougie187 | hey michaelnovakjr |
| 15:31.33 | Dougie187 | i made a new halo map |
| 15:31.33 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:31.37 | Dougie187 | its for a cops and robbers game |
| 15:31.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | sweet |
| 15:31.46 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 15:31.48 | Dougie187 | its pretty cool |
| 15:32.00 | michaelnovakjr__ | that sounds like an interesting game |
| 15:32.03 | Dougie187 | its got a ton of hiding spots in it |
| 15:32.07 | Dougie187 | basically, its infection |
| 15:32.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | nice |
| 15:32.12 | Dougie187 | and theres one zombie (a cop) |
| 15:32.18 | Dougie187 | and he can't die |
| 15:32.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | same map as before? |
| 15:32.25 | Dougie187 | but he has no radar and is invisible |
| 15:32.25 | Dougie187 | no |
| 15:32.27 | Dougie187 | its a new oe |
| 15:32.28 | Dougie187 | one |
| 15:32.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | cool |
| 15:32.45 | Dougie187 | it takes a bit of cooperation from the non-zombies though |
| 15:32.53 | Dougie187 | basically if he finds you, you have to follow him to jail |
| 15:32.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | meeting... be back |
| 15:33.02 | Dougie187 | and then your team mates can save you from jail if they are fast. |
| 15:33.02 | Dougie187 | ok |
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| 16:08.36 | jasta | morning romain |
| 16:10.16 | romainguy | yo |
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| 16:13.38 | jasta | so is the next SDK release supposed to be huge or what? :) |
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| 16:14.23 | romainguy | you'll see when it's released |
| 16:14.43 | dmoffett | jasta: I think there are a lot wondering about that. If it is huge though Google may wait until after phase II. |
| 16:14.57 | dmoffett | I hope not though. |
| 16:15.26 | jasta | that would be cutting it pretty close to commercial launch, i'd think |
| 16:15.46 | dmoffett | true, I have no idea. |
| 16:16.10 | dmoffett | I just hope the latest is faster. |
| 16:16.12 | jasta | judging from discussions, the list of changes must be staggering |
| 16:16.37 | jasta | dmoffett: well, QEMU is pretty slow more so than the framework |
| 16:16.42 | romainguy | all I can say is that we have a few API changes and a few new features :)) |
| 16:16.44 | dmoffett | iPhone emulator is very fast compared to Android emulator. Who knows that that means though? |
| 16:16.45 | jasta | qemu runs everything slow ;) |
| 16:17.00 | jasta | the iphone emulator probably is not an emulator at all. |
| 16:17.05 | romainguy | dmoffett: it depends so much on your host... the emulator is faster than actual devices on my machines |
| 16:17.15 | romainguy | dmoffett: iPhone has a *simulator* |
| 16:17.18 | romainguy | not an emulator |
| 16:17.33 | romainguy | it makes a huge difference |
| 16:17.34 | dmoffett | Good news. |
| 16:17.40 | dmoffett | Cool |
| 16:17.52 | dmoffett | Kind of freaked me out. |
| 16:18.05 | dmoffett | I have to support both iPhone and Android. |
| 16:19.14 | dmoffett | romainguy: What kind of machines are you running? |
| 16:19.20 | dmoffett | I may get a new machine soon. |
| 16:19.26 | romainguy | a MacBook Pro 2nd gen and a MacPro 4-cores at work |
| 16:19.33 | romainguy | and the new MacPro 8 cores at home |
| 16:19.43 | dmoffett | must be nice. |
| 16:19.49 | romainguy | it is very nice :) |
| 16:20.00 | dmoffett | 30 inch display? |
| 16:20.06 | romainguy | yes |
| 16:20.10 | dmoffett | sweet |
| 16:20.18 | romainguy | + a 24" at work :)) |
| 16:20.22 | romainguy | (we're spoiled) |
| 16:20.30 | dmoffett | nice |
| 16:20.39 | dmoffett | That is my setup as well. |
| 16:21.15 | dmoffett | I have one of the slower Mac Pros though. |
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| 17:29.56 | jasta | it occurs to me that the gap in time between we saw the release of m3 and m5 is less than the gap since m5. |
| 17:30.15 | jasta | it's been *3* months since the last significant release (m5-rc15 doesn't count) |
| 17:30.55 | zhobbs` | yeah, I was hoping for an update right after the deadline |
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| 17:57.20 | jasta | virusexperts.com? lol |
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| 18:21.48 | sYskk | Anyone here knows if there exists a "mobile browser" that extends javascript in order to give access to mobile devices features such as GPS tracking |
| 18:22.11 | sYskk | i know i can do that kind of stuff with android but was wondering if i could leave everything at the web layer |
| 18:22.24 | michaelnovakjr__ | doubt it |
| 18:23.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | that could be a big security disaster |
| 18:23.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | me != javascript |
| 18:23.11 | sYskk | not really if implemented properly |
| 18:23.26 | sYskk | just like flash allows an application to use the client's webcam but it asks first |
| 18:24.18 | f00f- | perhaps you should approach the Opera folks? |
| 18:24.42 | sYskk | right |
| 18:27.27 | sYskk | I guess Opera is the most popular mobile browser ? |
| 18:27.45 | f00f- | one could say so, but i don't know if it is true |
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| 18:35.36 | sYskk | ok cool |
| 18:36.00 | vol_ | opera is pretty popular |
| 18:36.09 | vol_ | though apparently mozilla is making firefox mobile? |
| 18:36.28 | warcaptain | minimo |
| 18:36.48 | vol_ | also, most browsers have been purposefully moving AWAY from letting JS affect the browser's environment |
| 18:37.01 | vol_ | with the exception of stuff like signed scripts running from the local machine |
| 18:38.47 | jasta | I wonder if Google would be willing to selectively post certain "honorable mentions"... |
| 18:39.07 | vol_ | "Absolute worst entry" |
| 18:39.30 | vol_ | "Inclusion of server communication apparently only to determine whether judges were viewing it" |
| 18:39.40 | vol_ | "The shocker" |
| 18:39.44 | vol_ | \\,/ |
| 18:40.20 | f00f- | heh |
| 18:40.33 | f00f- | when are they publishing the list?!! |
| 18:40.39 | Dougie187 | Lol |
| 18:40.40 | jasta | i know that at least a handful of google employees had their top picks that didn't make it |
| 18:40.47 | jasta | would be nice if they could still toss those apps a bone |
| 18:41.06 | jasta | f00f-: if you assumed today, you obviously haven't been following the Android team's track record :) |
| 18:41.41 | f00f- | perhaps their PR folks are better than their SDK folks |
| 18:41.48 | Dougie187 | hah |
| 18:42.01 | Dougie187 | perhaps. |
| 18:42.05 | Dougie187 | or, perhaps they are the same people |
| 18:42.17 | f00f- | jekyll & hyde :) |
| 18:44.45 | f00f- | jasta: thought about RIM's VC fund? |
| 18:45.01 | f00f- | probably a bit different from iFund but is it worth it? |
| 18:45.52 | jasta | no, blackberry sucks. |
| 18:46.06 | jasta | i really am not a mercenary here. i genuinely liked android, and wanted to support specifically this platform |
| 18:46.54 | f00f- | okay |
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| 18:47.13 | Dougie187 | jasta: rims fund isnt only for blackberries |
| 18:47.22 | Dougie187 | rim would pay you to develop an app for android |
| 18:47.31 | jasta | why on earth would they do that? |
| 18:47.47 | Dougie187 | to "push the community forward" |
| 18:47.49 | Dougie187 | or something like that |
| 18:47.54 | jasta | that's ridiculous |
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| 18:48.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta, the mobile industry makes absolutely no sense at this point in time |
| 18:48.13 | Dougie187 | thats what engadget reported at least. |
| 18:48.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | there's all this potential and no one knows what to do with it |
| 18:49.20 | f00f- | just gotta take it an run |
| 18:49.30 | zhobbs` | didn't someone say there was a nokia widget contest or something also? |
| 18:49.46 | f00f- | yeah |
| 18:49.50 | f00f- | deadline was friday |
| 18:50.03 | zhobbs` | what was the name of it? |
| 18:50.07 | f00f- | only 10,000 EUR or osmething |
| 18:50.09 | f00f- | let me look |
| 18:50.15 | f00f- | it should be on Forum Nokia |
| 18:50.25 | zhobbs` | ok |
| 18:51.46 | Dougie187 | here jasta: http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/12/rim-launching-150-million-vc-fund-for-mobile-apps/ |
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| 18:52.44 | jasta | yeah i read it. |
| 18:52.54 | jasta | i dont think engadget reporting this and not RIM is very credible |
| 18:54.07 | Dougie187 | http://www.blackberrypartnersfund.com/pressrelease.html |
| 18:54.53 | Dougie187 | The BlackBerry Partners Fund is a $150 million venture capital fund being formed to focus on applications and services for the BlackBerry platform and other mobile platforms including mobile commerce (payments, advertising, retailing and banking), vertical and horizontal enterprise applications, communications, social networking, location-based applications and services (navigation and mapping), media and entertainment, and lifestyle and person |
| 18:55.17 | Dougie187 | is that a bit more credible? |
| 18:55.25 | f00f- | zhobbs`: Cash award of 15,000 Euros for the Global Web Runtime (WRT) and Flash Lite Winner |
| 18:55.31 | f00f- | but i cant find it anymore |
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| 18:56.52 | zhobbs` | f00f-: ok, just trying figure out if google was the first in this string of mobile app contest/funding promotions |
| 18:57.26 | f00f- | not really, other guys have been doing it for years |
| 18:58.02 | f00f- | most of the nokia ones are PR stuff, and more recently prizes for their new platforms |
| 18:58.05 | f00f- | web runtime, flash lite, etc. |
| 18:59.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | i just want to know where the love for open source is in all of this? |
| 18:59.38 | Dougie187 | lol i havent seen any. |
| 18:59.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | me either |
| 18:59.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | and it is very disappointing |
| 18:59.54 | Dougie187 | speaking of open source. i thought the last line in the last ADC blog post was funny. |
| 18:59.57 | f00f- | you won't see much right now, it'll take some time |
| 19:00.03 | Dougie187 | or.. ironic at least. |
| 19:00.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | i have come to the conclusion i won't use any software that is not open source for android |
| 19:00.25 | Dougie187 | "The real winners, however, are the consumers who will benefit from the work of these talented developers." |
| 19:00.36 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha yea |
| 19:00.47 | Dougie187 | after the conversation last week, i believe this is a load of crap |
| 19:00.48 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:00.54 | michaelnovakjr__ | indeed |
| 19:01.19 | Kraln | my application was open source ;-( |
| 19:01.36 | michaelnovakjr__ | Kraln..... i tip my hat to you |
| 19:01.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | did you win? |
| 19:02.06 | Dougie187 | i wonder how many open source projects did win |
| 19:02.19 | jasta | from the look of it, not very many |
| 19:02.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'll write an open source equivalent to any closed source app for android |
| 19:02.38 | jasta | that's an awesome strategy :) |
| 19:02.46 | jasta | knock them all off one-by-one :) |
| 19:02.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | hell yea....... keep it open all the way up the stack |
| 19:03.16 | Kraln | michaelnovakjr: unfortunately, no |
| 19:03.21 | jasta | i am a bit surprised that Google did not impose at least some requirements on the apps submitted |
| 19:03.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | Kraln, figures |
| 19:03.37 | Kraln | michaelnovakjr: I was apparently top 100, though |
| 19:03.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 19:03.56 | jasta | woo for the bottom 1688! *raise the roof* |
| 19:04.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | hell yea! |
| 19:04.24 | michaelnovakjr__ | you didn't hear... success rate starts at the bottom |
| 19:04.36 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:05.21 | jasta | i'm not even sure what to do with all my fame and success. i might make a badge for my blog to display proudly just how mediocre i am ;) |
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| 19:05.36 | michaelnovakjr__ | hell yea! |
| 19:05.36 | f00f- | haha |
| 19:05.37 | Dougie187 | thats a great idea jasta |
| 19:05.51 | Dougie187 | make it wood colored. |
| 19:05.56 | jasta | fake wood |
| 19:05.58 | Dougie187 | yup |
| 19:06.03 | Dougie187 | not even good enough for bronze |
| 19:06.06 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 19:06.18 | jasta | i'll have the fake wood peeling off too |
| 19:06.22 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 19:06.33 | Dougie187 | and make it plastic underneath |
| 19:06.46 | Dougie187 | like a gray plastic |
| 19:07.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | i love the....... 'i can't tell you what i am developing.... its super secret G-14 classified material' |
| 19:07.47 | Dougie187 | i dont think there is an issue keeping it closed source during the competition, but after the fact i would think they should be open. |
| 19:07.53 | Dougie187 | during you dont want someone to steal your idea. |
| 19:07.56 | jasta | i was never secret about my idea because i am confident that i can implement it better than any of these money grubbing zombies competing in the ADC. |
| 19:07.57 | Dougie187 | and make the same app but better. |
| 19:08.02 | jasta | and i am remain confident. |
| 19:08.17 | Dougie187 | i think you should resubmit to adc2 jasta. |
| 19:08.19 | Dougie187 | same with michaelnovakjr |
| 19:08.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | companies shouldn't have been allowed to compete, unless they are a non-profit open source entity |
| 19:08.30 | Dougie187 | just try to improve your apps before then |
| 19:08.35 | jasta | Dougie187: Well see, here's the thing... |
| 19:08.45 | jasta | I am wanting to get a job at one of the OHA members. |
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| 19:08.52 | jasta | And do Android dev professionally |
| 19:08.57 | Dougie187 | ohh |
| 19:08.59 | Dougie187 | so if you release it |
| 19:09.02 | Dougie187 | then you can put it on your resume |
| 19:09.05 | jasta | If I attain that goal, I would then be inelligible to release for the ADC2. |
| 19:09.05 | zhobbs` | I applied at moto and never heard back |
| 19:09.31 | Dougie187 | true. |
| 19:09.41 | zhobbs` | android is fun to code for though |
| 19:09.43 | Dougie187 | well, if you dont attain that goal. then dump it into ADC2 |
| 19:09.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | Dougie187, i am going to make a facebook plugin so when theres a tornado 200 feet from you, you'll be able to blog it.... maybe that will get the attention of those OHA stupid assess |
| 19:09.55 | Dougie187 | Nice. |
| 19:10.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | :: very sarcastic :: |
| 19:10.12 | Dougie187 | oh man, it made me upset when i saw "Social Networking" in the list of apps that won on the ADC blog. |
| 19:10.29 | Dougie187 | that was disappointing. |
| 19:10.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea, i'd love to track my friends..... |
| 19:10.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | because i have nothing better to do with my life |
| 19:11.05 | Dougie187 | .someone made a game. |
| 19:11.10 | Dougie187 | for your and your friends. |
| 19:11.11 | Dougie187 | with gps |
| 19:11.17 | Dougie187 | ionno how it works. |
| 19:11.23 | Dougie187 | but they give a basic overview of it. |
| 19:11.38 | Dougie187 | "I've also seen applications that connect people during emergency situations" |
| 19:11.44 | Dougie187 | i wonder who they are talking about |
| 19:12.01 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea |
| 19:12.16 | michaelnovakjr__ | someone who stole my idea and made it 'social network friendly' |
| 19:12.20 | Dougie187 | here is the thing i was talking about "One developer even turned a real city block into a playing field where gamers can role-play and chase after villains." |
| 19:12.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 19:12.36 | Dougie187 | thats not helpful. |
| 19:12.41 | Dougie187 | or useful for that matter. |
| 19:12.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | how does that make me want to use that app? |
| 19:12.53 | Dougie187 | i know, |
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| 19:13.25 | Dougie187 | hey michaelnovakjr__ here is an idea. |
| 19:13.46 | Dougie187 | Make a script or something, maybe a facebook app, that when there is a tornado it writes it to peoples walls. |
| 19:13.51 | Dougie187 | because a lot of people have sms from that. |
| 19:14.06 | Dougie187 | so they would get an sms message saying, Theres a tornado! (From your facebook wall) |
| 19:14.10 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 19:14.18 | Dougie187 | then its a free SMS tool for you. |
| 19:14.40 | ligi | hi all - is the list of the 50 out somewhere? |
| 19:14.43 | Dougie187 | just figure out how to write to someones wall with a script. |
| 19:14.48 | Dougie187 | ligi: not that we know of |
| 19:14.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | has facebook gotten that dumb? ..... why not just stream your cellphone camera to facebook |
| 19:15.05 | rhett | anything new? |
| 19:15.12 | Dougie187 | haha |
| 19:16.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | you can be like, hey guys taking a shit..... oh remember when i had starbucks early this morning.... must be that |
| 19:16.17 | Dougie187 | Lol "For privacy reasons, we will publish entrants' names without their consent." |
| 19:16.22 | Dougie187 | thats a comment on the ADC blog. |
| 19:16.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 19:16.46 | michaelnovakjr__ | seriously says that exactly? |
| 19:16.49 | Dougie187 | then he says that he meant Not publish |
| 19:16.50 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 19:16.55 | Dougie187 | " David McLaughlin (Android Advocate) said... To address these comments, yes, we will be publishing the results of the top 50, pending the winner's opting-in. For privacy reasons, we will publish entrants' names without their consent. |
| 19:16.55 | Dougie187 | Toadi: Android has already arrived and the massive response to thiscontest -- hundreds of truly great quality apps -- has shown us howstrong the platform already is! To answer your un-asked question, thefirst Android handsets will be available in the second half of 2008. 10 May, 2008 20:58 David McLaughlin (Android Advocate) said... Clarifying my last (quick) comment. It should have said we will *not* publish entrants' names without their |
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| 19:17.24 | michaelnovakjr__ | can someone say..............................proof read? |
| 19:17.43 | Dougie187 | i thought dan said winners already opt-in |
| 19:17.47 | Dougie187 | they just need the losers to opt-in too |
| 19:18.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | nope |
| 19:18.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | the losers are just on page 23 while the winners get page 1! |
| 19:18.53 | Dougie187 | oh, i thought he said that last week. he said something about in the Ts and Cs it says if you win they have the right to publish your name and apps name |
| 19:18.55 | Dougie187 | or something like that |
| 19:19.08 | f00f- | we'll soon know :D |
| 19:19.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | they should revoke apps that don't allow that now |
| 19:19.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | i mean come on...... this is the open handset alliance.... you are clearly breaking the alliance! |
| 19:19.54 | Dougie187 | it would be funny if they were like, oh you won but you wont let us publish your name? Sorry you lose then |
| 19:20.00 | Dougie187 | haha |
| 19:20.19 | Dougie187 | (click the un-ally button) |
| 19:20.28 | Dougie187 | (i never clicked allied victory) |
| 19:20.49 | Dougie187 | a little bit of SC fun there. |
| 19:21.57 | Dougie187 | winners have to release their names. |
| 19:21.59 | Dougie187 | "Affidavit of Eligibility, Publicity Release, and Payment Information -- Each participant will need to sign an affidavit confirming their eligibility to receive a prize and a release for Google to use your name in connection with your Entry. Also, we'll need certain information in order to actually complete payment of the prize money." |
| 19:22.06 | Dougie187 | well i guess if they want their 25k |
| 19:24.55 | Dougie187 | hey michaelnovakjr are you gonna get on halo tonight? |
| 19:25.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea, most likely.... i'll be on around 10:30-11 eastern time |
| 19:25.58 | Dougie187 | ok, i probably wont be on then. |
| 19:26.18 | michaelnovakjr__ | got some stuff going on after work tonight |
| 19:26.19 | Dougie187 | thats a bit late for me, i have to go to bed around 9:30 so my wife can wake up at 6:30 |
| 19:26.21 | Dougie187 | cool |
| 19:26.31 | Dougie187 | well maybe sometime later this week I can show you cops and robbers. |
| 19:26.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | definitely |
| 19:26.44 | Dougie187 | its freaking sweet |
| 19:26.48 | Dougie187 | and would be really fun with a lot of people |
| 19:26.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | sounds like a fun game |
| 19:27.12 | Dougie187 | ohh i just got an idea! |
| 19:27.15 | Dougie187 | how to make it more fun! |
| 19:27.16 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 19:27.43 | Dougie187 | we wanted a way so if you kill a robber they spawn in the jail. |
| 19:27.51 | Dougie187 | so ill make the non-zombies the cops. |
| 19:27.55 | Dougie187 | and then the zombies will be the robbers. |
| 19:28.00 | michaelnovakjr__ | nice |
| 19:28.00 | Dougie187 | so i will have to change stuff around |
| 19:28.05 | Dougie187 | and the cops will be invincible |
| 19:28.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | that sounds like a good idea |
| 19:28.09 | Dougie187 | and move fast. |
| 19:28.17 | Dougie187 | then if you kill a zombie they will just respawn |
| 19:28.24 | Dougie187 | because if you kill a person they turn into a zombie |
| 19:28.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | cool |
| 19:28.52 | Dougie187 | you've played infection before right? |
| 19:28.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea |
| 19:29.01 | Dougie187 | cool |
| 19:31.46 | michaelnovakjr__ | its good stuff |
| 19:31.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | put a few snipers in there :) |
| 19:33.05 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:33.09 | Dougie187 | no. that ruins it |
| 19:33.17 | Dougie187 | and theres no grenades. |
| 19:33.21 | Dougie187 | right now theres only shotguns |
| 19:33.24 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha, oh thats good |
| 19:33.24 | Dougie187 | and the cops have a grav hammer |
| 19:33.29 | Dougie187 | so they can get out of jail |
| 19:33.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | that sounds god |
| 19:33.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | good |
| 19:33.41 | Dougie187 | its freaking cool though |
| 19:33.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | i like shotty's too |
| 19:33.44 | Dougie187 | im really happy with the map |
| 19:33.50 | Dougie187 | and the robbers do like no damage |
| 19:33.54 | Dougie187 | but the cops dont have radars. |
| 19:33.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | sweet, which one is it based on? |
| 19:33.59 | Dougie187 | and they are semi-invisible |
| 19:34.02 | Dougie187 | foundry |
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| 19:34.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | coool |
| 19:34.20 | Dougie187 | its like a giant maze |
| 19:35.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | swee |
| 19:35.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | t |
| 19:35.47 | Dougie187 | its really cool |
| 19:35.57 | Dougie187 | i made this other map for CTF |
| 19:36.04 | Dougie187 | oh you played that one |
| 19:36.08 | Dougie187 | its harder then hell to win. |
| 19:36.08 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:36.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea |
| 19:36.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | that was a hard one |
| 19:36.34 | Dougie187 | i like that map too |
| 19:37.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | me too |
| 19:39.14 | Dougie187 | man i wanna go home now |
| 19:39.15 | Dougie187 | and fix up that map |
| 19:39.16 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:39.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 19:42.15 | Dougie187 | its gonna be so cool |
| 19:42.15 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:42.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am excited to play it |
| 19:42.37 | Dougie187 | the only way the cop can die is if he gets assassinated. |
| 19:42.46 | Dougie187 | then the game would be over. |
| 19:42.50 | Dougie187 | i hope my new idea works. |
| 19:42.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | nice |
| 19:42.57 | Dougie187 | i dont know what the max number of zombies you can make is |
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| 19:45.24 | Dougie187 | i think its going to have to be 50-50 |
| 19:45.27 | Dougie187 | for cops and robbers |
| 19:45.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | not less cops? |
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| 19:45.42 | Dougie187 | i cant. |
| 19:46.02 | Dougie187 | for zombies you can only have it start with 25%, 50%, or 1-15 |
| 19:46.07 | Dougie187 | and the zombies are the robbers |
| 19:46.19 | Dougie187 | but if you kill a cop they will turn into a zombie |
| 19:46.24 | Dougie187 | which i guess is a plus |
| 19:46.39 | jasta | pops in at a weird time |
| 19:46.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 19:46.53 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:47.17 | Dougie187 | jasta you should go get an xbox 360 and halo 3 so you can play cops and robbers with us |
| 19:47.42 | Dougie187 | its gonna be fun! |
| 19:48.12 | jasta | i cant stand halo |
| 19:48.13 | zhobbs` | heh, I haven't fired up halo 3 in a while...haven't heard of that |
| 19:48.14 | jasta | and i dont own an xbox |
| 19:48.25 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 19:48.27 | Dougie187 | im making it |
| 19:48.29 | Dougie187 | i made a map for it |
| 19:48.33 | Dougie187 | and im making a gametype for it |
| 19:48.42 | Dougie187 | its gonna be freaking awesome |
| 19:49.05 | zhobbs` | that's cool |
| 19:49.26 | Dougie187 | maybe when we play you can come join us. |
| 19:49.29 | Dougie187 | whats your gamertag? |
| 19:50.16 | Dougie187 | mines Dougie2187 |
| 19:50.22 | Dougie187 | some d-bag took Dougie187 |
| 19:50.29 | zhobbs` | chronic6k I think |
| 19:50.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | iamPrisonMike |
| 19:50.51 | zhobbs` | I suck though |
| 19:51.00 | jasta | lol |
| 19:51.04 | jasta | prison mike, nice |
| 19:51.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | zhobbs` is that because you play cod4 |
| 19:51.17 | Dougie187 | you dont have to be good to win cops and robbers |
| 19:51.18 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta, haha.... one of my favorite episodes |
| 19:51.28 | Dougie187 | its like tag, with shotguns |
| 19:51.33 | zhobbs` | michaelnovakjr__: cod 4 is awesome, I suck at that too though |
| 19:51.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | i constantly play cod4 |
| 19:52.00 | jasta | is so fucking excited for StarCraft II |
| 19:52.05 | Dougie187 | ive been playing halo a lot recently because i like to make maps now. |
| 19:52.08 | Dougie187 | Yeah SC2 is gonna rock |
| 19:52.17 | Dougie187 | i wish they would make it for linux though |
| 19:52.28 | zhobbs` | will need a PC upgrade to play any new PC game |
| 19:52.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | try and Wine it |
| 19:52.40 | Dougie187 | i will when it comes out |
| 19:52.47 | Dougie187 | if not i will have to devote a windows partition to it |
| 19:53.09 | jasta | i love that SC2 has the carrier |
| 19:53.12 | jasta | i thought for sure theyd remove it |
| 19:53.18 | jasta | that is the most bad-ass unit ever ;) |
| 19:53.32 | Dougie187 | heh yeah |
| 19:53.38 | Dougie187 | and the mother ship looks freaking awesome. |
| 19:53.40 | zhobbs` | I was really into C&C3 for like 3 weeks when if first came out |
| 19:53.58 | zhobbs` | that's how I am...I get really into a game for a month and then never play it again |
| 19:54.31 | Dougie187 | zhobbs`: i just added you to my friends list |
| 19:54.35 | jasta | i'm glad they removed the "hero" concept from SC2. |
| 19:54.41 | jasta | WarCraft III was so stupid because of that |
| 19:54.44 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:54.48 | Dougie187 | i liked wc3 for that. |
| 19:54.51 | Dougie187 | but its ok without it too |
| 19:54.53 | jasta | no way, totally lame |
| 19:55.04 | Dougie187 | wc3 wasnt very good without it. |
| 19:55.07 | Dougie187 | you cant play dota. |
| 19:55.08 | zhobbs` | Dougie187: ok...I just moved and am trying to get the home theater setup for internet...so I'm offline right now |
| 19:55.12 | jasta | thats because wc3 wasnt very good |
| 19:55.16 | Dougie187 | thats fine. |
| 19:55.17 | Dougie187 | so am i |
| 19:55.24 | Dougie187 | i just did it on live.xbox.com |
| 19:55.25 | zhobbs` | bought a cheap router and need to put dd-wrt on it to use as a bridge |
| 19:55.32 | jasta | boo dd-wrt |
| 19:55.33 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 19:55.35 | jasta | openwrt is the way to go |
| 19:55.49 | zhobbs` | oh yeah? I just hear more about dd-wrt |
| 19:55.55 | jasta | boo ;) |
| 19:55.57 | zhobbs` | I'll have to take a look at openwrt |
| 19:56.07 | jasta | the only sucky thing about openwrt is that they removed the web GUI |
| 19:56.18 | jasta | though it does make sense. the web gui is stupid, and takes up tons of space on the device |
| 19:56.18 | zhobbs` | heh, I'll stick with dd-wrt :) |
| 19:56.29 | jasta | they replaced it with a very simple /etc/config structure |
| 19:56.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 19:56.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | i like that idea :) |
| 19:56.57 | Dougie187 | thats pretty cool |
| 19:57.03 | Dougie187 | i have never used either |
| 19:57.06 | jasta | yeah, the configuration is very nice and easy, actually. they pre-process all your /etc/config stuff into actual configuration for the device |
| 19:57.10 | Dougie187 | i always just use linksys' default thing |
| 19:57.24 | jasta | so the /etc/config set up is very simple, there's even a simple qos config file in there |
| 19:57.51 | jasta | i love openwrt. i put shorewall on it, and have a full-featured, advanced linux firewall |
| 19:58.14 | jasta | i'm hoping to setup multi-ISP support soon. gonna use both DSL and Cable together |
| 19:58.21 | jasta | BitTorrent will be unreal ;) |
| 19:58.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | i have dsl and cable |
| 19:58.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | just not together |
| 19:58.39 | zhobbs` | nice |
| 19:58.47 | jasta | also i want to do program the front button on the router to automatically convert one of the circuits to "gaming only" |
| 19:59.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | good idea.... that way it kills other traffic |
| 19:59.09 | jasta | so it'll dedicate all gaming traffic to dsl, and all other traffic to cable |
| 19:59.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | reduces the stupid lag |
| 19:59.41 | jasta | it's easy to do too, you just need to restart shorewall and simulate RST on all the existing connections |
| 20:01.02 | zhobbs` | anyone use TorrentFlux? |
| 20:01.11 | Dougie187 | nope. |
| 20:01.33 | zhobbs` | I put that on my fileserver and I love it...don't have to have BT eating CPU on my desktop |
| 20:02.26 | jasta | i used to bittorret on my fileserver, but it was terrible on performance |
| 20:02.34 | jasta | bittorrent atop a software RAID5 is BAAADDD :) |
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| 20:03.15 | jasta | my desktop has three internal HDDs, one for linux, one for vmware/windows, and one as a large tmp data drive. torrenting under that set up works great. |
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| 20:11.54 | Dougie187 | k im out guys |
| 20:11.55 | Dougie187 | see ya later |
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| 20:24.13 | jasta | romainguy_: do you know if a GUI builder is coming to Android at some point? |
| 20:24.17 | jasta | just a wrapper aorund the XML files? |
| 20:25.34 | jasta | also, have you considered adding a spacing layout attribute that simply sets packed components a certain distance apart without using padding on those individual widgets |
| 20:25.49 | romainguy_ | it's called the margin on linearlayout |
| 20:25.59 | jasta | like if you had a horizontal linear layout with a few buttons, it would be nice to be able to set margin or padding on the linearlayout, then spacing for each of the buttons. |
| 20:26.17 | jasta | i thought margin was spacing for the widget it is being specified on? |
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| 20:26.39 | romainguy_ | ah I see what you mean |
| 20:26.51 | jasta | I mean a way to space all of the children without specifygin margin or padding on each of them |
| 20:27.45 | romainguy_ | we never met a case where we would need such a feature, so no |
| 20:28.08 | jasta | really? i have ran into it on nearly every layout i've created |
| 20:28.59 | jasta | it's never a requirement since you could always accomplish the effect another way, but it is IMO an important nicety |
| 20:29.16 | romainguy_ | it is a nicety |
| 20:29.23 | romainguy_ | but I wouldn't qualify it as important |
| 20:30.33 | jasta | what about a nicety to specify padding/margin trbl with a single attribute? |
| 20:30.38 | jasta | like CSS has |
| 20:31.12 | jerkface03 | counterstrike source |
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| 21:19.27 | romainguy | youc an specify padding as a single attribute already |
| 21:19.37 | romainguy | and margin too since recently |
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| 21:32.43 | jasta | really? |
| 21:32.51 | jasta | how? |
| 21:33.07 | jasta | Oh, I meant different padding for each of top, right, bottom, and left. |
| 21:33.33 | jasta | as in android:padding="10dip 4dip 10dip 4dip", or even android:padding="10dip 4dip" |
| 21:33.44 | romainguy | ah |
| 21:33.45 | romainguy | no :) |
| 21:33.59 | jasta | i realize that may not work well with your current generalizations, but that is also an important nicety :) |
| 21:34.22 | romainguy | It is also very confusing |
| 21:34.34 | romainguy | Nothing tells you what the numbers are |
| 21:34.49 | romainguy | I personally never remember the order :) |
| 21:34.52 | jasta | except that you know it's trbl, like many other tools use. |
| 21:34.56 | zhobbs | romainguy: I forget the order too |
| 21:35.12 | romainguy | jasta, except that Android uses l, t, r, b |
| 21:35.22 | jasta | where do you use that? |
| 21:35.22 | romainguy | and Swing for instance uses t, l, b, r |
| 21:35.30 | romainguy | method parameters for instance |
| 21:35.36 | romainguy | for padding, layout, etc. |
| 21:36.05 | jasta | trbl has the best mnemonic, though. it ordres like a clock from the top. |
| 21:36.07 | jasta | orders* |
| 21:37.01 | jasta | you also dodged my question about a GUI builder. |
| 21:37.02 | jasta | ;) |
| 21:37.21 | romainguy | but it doesn't make sense when you think about the geometry of views... |
| 21:37.24 | jasta | i'm beginning to reverse my hastey conclusion that GUI builders are broken and wrong |
| 21:37.48 | jasta | hasty too |
| 21:40.05 | zhobbs | DroidDraw |
| 21:40.48 | jasta | i would much prefer a tool that integrates with the other build tools better |
| 21:41.45 | zhobbs | jasta: there's a tool to do live previews on the emulator from DroidDraw...still not the same, but maybe useful |
| 21:43.01 | zhobbs | DroidDraw is GPL...I haven't really used it though |
| 21:43.09 | zhobbs | I'm find with hand coding the xml... |
| 21:43.13 | zhobbs | fine* |
| 21:44.28 | romainguy | the problem with DroidDraw is that it has to recreate our layout behaviors |
| 21:47.07 | f00f- | droiddraw is utter garbage |
| 21:47.14 | f00f- | we started with that, but best to do everything by hand |
| 21:49.03 | zhobbs | I wonder if any dev tools made top 50 |
| 21:49.06 | zhobbs | probably not |
| 21:49.23 | f00f- | there should have been a per category priz |
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| 21:56.59 | jasta | there basically was... |
| 21:57.26 | zhobbs | that reminds me...where's the list |
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| 22:43.07 | jasta | zhobbs: did you really think it would happen today? :) |
| 22:43.58 | duey | has it not happened |
| 22:44.09 | jasta | of course not :) |
| 22:44.14 | duey | lolol |
| 22:44.24 | duey | maybe to many people didnt say yes in the spreadsheet |
| 22:44.27 | jasta | and then, the next date that google throws out, just add a few days to it |
| 22:44.30 | jasta | and then we'll know. |
| 22:44.54 | f00f- | heh |
| 22:44.57 | f00f- | deadline was 9am today |
| 22:54.22 | zhobbs | morrill is probably so beat up from the results friday and the email beatings he probably took all weekend |
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| 23:12.11 | duey | zhobbs, i steal think they are boozing on the job |
| 23:12.14 | duey | still* |
| 23:13.01 | f00f- | google has more happy hours and beerfests than any other company in the valley |
| 23:13.08 | f00f- | every friday is a beerbong session |
| 23:14.16 | zhobbs | wtf, why don't I work there?!? |
| 23:14.54 | f00f- | cause you would ruin the company with your bartending skills |
| 23:15.14 | zhobbs | hah |
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| 23:26.32 | jasta | i have a two story beer bong at my house that wraps around the stairs |
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| 23:27.25 | f00f- | oh the pressure |
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