| 00:00.14 | jasta | or the fact that inflating views in a custom layout adds an extra layer in your view hierarchy that is unnecessary, making it likely to hit the call stack limit on the emulator and thus limits the depth of your layout to 8 or 9 layers. |
| 00:00.14 | jasta | in some cases fewer logical layers. |
| 00:00.40 | jasta | my program in particular works around nearly every bug in that list. |
| 00:00.54 | jasta | i assume there are numerous other bugs that impact other programs in areas i don't use. |
| 00:01.02 | jasta | anyway, i'm off. going to the airport. |
| 00:05.11 | f00f- | oh, you're leaving SF? |
| 00:06.26 | f00f- | well i agree most if not all what you said above |
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| 06:45.31 | jasta | so lame |
| 06:45.41 | jasta | this crap hotel charges $12.75/day for internet |
| 06:45.48 | jasta | and it's only ~800kbit up and down |
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| 06:52.37 | duey | jasta, thats pretty fail |
| 06:53.18 | duey | no annoucements |
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| 08:24.25 | tobe002 | hi guys |
| 08:25.26 | tobe002 | a question has anyone use the Android SDK in ubuntu... |
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| 13:33.43 | Dougie187 | still no announcement. |
| 13:33.45 | Dougie187 | :( |
| 13:34.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | fsck them |
| 13:34.24 | Dougie187 | And I/O starts today. |
| 13:34.36 | Dougie187 | so i doubt there will be an announcement until friday at the earliest now. |
| 13:34.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea |
| 13:34.51 | Dougie187 | though Dan will probably be held hostage by Jasta until the announcement gets made. |
| 13:35.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 13:36.09 | Dougie187 | I wonder if I/O is going to be cool. |
| 13:36.16 | Dougie187 | Do they have one every year? or is this the first? |
| 13:36.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | i can't remembe |
| 13:36.46 | michaelnovakjr__ | if it is cool, i'll probably go next year |
| 13:38.55 | Dougie187 | i bet Dan will get maimed by questions durring his sessions |
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| 15:05.33 | umdk1d3 | rawr |
| 15:05.41 | umdk1d3 | im in line at googleio |
| 15:05.46 | umdk1d3 | anyhone else here |
| 15:08.49 | raboof | did this 'big announcement' everyone was talking about lately come yet? |
| 15:08.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | no |
| 15:19.34 | umdk1d3 | rawr long lines |
| 15:19.43 | umdk1d3 | looooong lines are looooong |
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| 15:53.42 | cutmasta | is away (away) |
| 15:53.47 | umdk1d3 | kk |
| 15:53.54 | umdk1d3 | eating breakfadt |
| 15:54.01 | umdk1d3 | yumm coffee |
| 15:54.12 | umdk1d3 | hey ill be on this during the keynote |
| 15:54.17 | umdk1d3 | in about an hour |
| 15:54.24 | umdk1d3 | ill keep all ya'l updated |
| 15:54.30 | umdk1d3 | on teh new annoincwement |
| 15:54.35 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 15:54.39 | umdk1d3 | stpuid kebordf lol- |
| 15:54.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | if they have a new announcment |
| 15:55.05 | umdk1d3 | they migght |
| 15:55.10 | umdk1d3 | hgave az handset |
| 15:55.14 | umdk1d3 | :D |
| 15:55.49 | Dougie187 | id be more interested in the SDK announcement. personally |
| 15:56.05 | inZane-_ | hey guys |
| 15:56.16 | Dougie187 | hi |
| 15:56.36 | inZane-_ | is it possible that the layout params get lost when inflating from an xml file? |
| 15:56.47 | Dougie187 | im not the guy to ask. |
| 15:57.10 | inZane-_ | hehe ok |
| 15:57.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | they aren't going to have a handset |
| 15:57.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | they can't even get a good sdk out! |
| 15:57.21 | inZane-_ | LinearLayout container = (LinearLayout) vi.inflate(R.layout.message_view, null, null); |
| 15:57.25 | inZane-_ | addView(container); |
| 15:57.41 | inZane-_ | i always get an exception |
| 15:57.54 | inZane-_ | "Child must already have layout params set" |
| 15:58.47 | inZane-_ | there are definitely layout params for every view int he xml file |
| 15:59.15 | inZane-_ | addView(container, new LayoutParams(LayoutParams.FILL_PARENT, LayoutParams.WRAP_CONTENT)); works fine |
| 15:59.40 | inZane-_ | well, addView(container); should also work fine since there are layout params in teh xml |
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| 16:07.20 | umdk1d3 | rawr |
| 16:07.29 | umdk1d3 | in teh main hall |
| 16:07.35 | umdk1d3 | second row :D |
| 16:16.55 | umdk1d3 | rawr |
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| 16:22.22 | jasta | lame.... |
| 16:22.32 | Dougie187 | ? |
| 16:22.40 | jasta | had to waste a bunch of time this morning getting a charger for my phone |
| 16:22.45 | jasta | so i missed breakfast ;) |
| 16:23.09 | Dougie187 | bust |
| 16:24.18 | umdk1d3 | interenet is dewad |
| 16:24.21 | umdk1d3 | toomany pp'l |
| 16:24.37 | jasta | umdk1d3: what time does the keynote start? |
| 16:24.45 | jasta | i'm in my hotel waiting for my phone to get a decent charge |
| 16:25.12 | Dougie187 | probably 9:30 |
| 16:25.23 | jasta | probably, thats when registration and breakfast ends |
| 16:25.31 | Dougie187 | when are Dans sessions? |
| 16:25.38 | jasta | dunno, but i will probably skip them |
| 16:25.46 | jasta | i plan to skip all the introductory android sessions in favor of other topics |
| 16:25.52 | Dougie187 | your not going to go harrass him? |
| 16:25.58 | jasta | oh i will harrass him |
| 16:26.01 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:26.02 | jasta | just not while he's presenting ;) |
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| 16:27.59 | jasta | i am so incredibly close to the convention center, i could be there in like 2 minutes i think |
| 16:28.57 | jasta | btw, the address numbers in this city make no sense :) |
| 16:28.58 | Dougie187 | hopefully otherwise you will probably miss the keynote |
| 16:29.13 | jasta | 747 Howard St. is between 4th and 5th st. |
| 16:29.19 | jasta | Dougie187: the keynote is like an hour and a half long |
| 16:29.32 | jasta | umdk1d3: hey, are there power outlets all over? |
| 16:30.02 | jasta | i desperately need my phone to be charged :) |
| 16:30.24 | jasta | hmm, i'm not sure if i want to bring my laptop or not |
| 16:30.32 | jasta | kinda don't feel like lugging it all around |
| 16:32.00 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:32.40 | umdk1d3 | thnere iis ppower yeaz |
| 16:32.45 | umdk1d3 | net is dead tho |
| 16:33.31 | jasta | alright, my phone's got enough juice now, i'm taking off |
| 16:33.41 | Dougie187 | see ya |
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| 16:39.40 | umdk1d3 | yay ssh is kinda working |
| 16:40.20 | umdk1d3 | kindalol |
| 16:40.20 | umdk1d3 | kindromainguy you at io |
| 16:40.59 | romainguy | nope |
| 16:41.03 | romainguy | I'm in France :) |
| 16:41.10 | umdk1d3 | aww net here sucks lol |
| 16:41.35 | umdk1d3 | i type and it comes thru like 5mins laterlol- |
| 16:42.03 | umdk1d3 | were measuring bandewidth in bytes per seclol |
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| 16:46.48 | umdk1d3 | ooh its starting |
| 16:48.00 | umdk1d3 | rawr kkeynote |
| 16:48.08 | umdk1d3 | the place is packed |
| 16:48.23 | umdk1d3 | pl'l standing ikn back |
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| 16:51.24 | umdk1d3 | haha |
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| 16:51.32 | umdk1d3 | pcjj is sitting next to me |
| 16:53.35 | pcjjman | Salutations um |
| 16:54.12 | umdk1d3 | keynote is focusong on app engine so far |
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| 17:01.28 | pawalls-io | jasta, ping |
| 17:03.58 | Dougie187 | hes at io |
| 17:04.01 | Dougie187 | and didnt take his comp |
| 17:04.22 | pawalls-io | Heh. |
| 17:04.44 | pawalls-io | He gave me his # yesterday but I was on IRC from my laptop and didn't add it to my phone :) |
| 17:05.03 | umdk1d3 | lol |
| 17:05.11 | umdk1d3 | they are demoing myspace |
| 17:05.22 | umdk1d3 | :/ |
| 17:07.28 | umdk1d3 | ooh android is next up |
| 17:07.29 | pcjjman | Yay, myspace is done. |
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| 17:08.57 | umdk1d3 | yay android iiks next |
| 17:09.29 | umdk1d3 | hes setting up and justifying android |
| 17:09.46 | AttractiveApe | At the conference? |
| 17:09.52 | umdk1d3 | yea |
| 17:10.57 | umdk1d3 | ooh android demo |
| 17:11.11 | AttractiveApe | show :( |
| 17:11.27 | umdk1d3 | lol pcjj nwill take pix |
| 17:11.40 | AttractiveApe | I have a test build that I can run on my phone -- pretty cool |
| 17:12.29 | umdk1d3 | public sdk based? |
| 17:12.48 | pcjjman | It's actually on a real Android device. |
| 17:12.48 | umdk1d3 | demo |
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| 17:13.20 | umdk1d3 | ooooohh new sdk |
| 17:13.23 | umdk1d3 | yay |
| 17:13.28 | umdk1d3 | it looks very sexy |
| 17:15.00 | umdk1d3 | VERRY sexy |
| 17:15.17 | umdk1d3 | will post pix in a few mins |
| 17:15.52 | umdk1d3 | grand prix is google mobile web emgoine |
| 17:15.58 | umdk1d3 | named grand prix |
| 17:16.05 | umdk1d3 | ointernal name prolly |
| 17:17.13 | umdk1d3 | hes syowong a 3g connectedd phone |
| 17:17.36 | umdk1d3 | ooh talking about ev challwnge |
| 17:18.26 | umdk1d3 | they have compass |
| 17:18.28 | umdk1d3 | in phone |
| 17:18.36 | umdk1d3 | for streetview |
| 17:18.40 | umdk1d3 | compasssss |
| 17:19.26 | pcjjman | As you turn the phone Street View rotates as well. |
| 17:20.07 | umdk1d3 | spix being uplolazededc as we spoeak |
| 17:20.37 | ligi | umdk1d3: url? |
| 17:20.43 | ligi | *wannasee* |
| 17:21.33 | AttractiveApe | ah, neat |
| 17:21.39 | AttractiveApe | yes, public sdk based. |
| 17:21.57 | AttractiveApe | works too, can make calls and surf the web on it, google maps, etc. |
| 17:22.01 | umdk1d3 | comoong soon |
| 17:22.09 | umdk1d3 | uploading tol flickr rite nhopw |
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| 17:25.10 | pcjjman | Pictures uploading.... |
| 17:25.20 | umdk1d3 | stupid flivckr lol |
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| 17:29.04 | romainguy | how's the keynote? |
| 17:29.29 | pcjjman | http://picasaweb.google.com/pcjjman/GoogleIO2008KeynoteAndroidPhotos |
| 17:29.31 | umdk1d3 | its oaky |
| 17:29.35 | umdk1d3 | yyyyyaaaaaayayyy |
| 17:29.41 | umdk1d3 | pholtoz of ne ap'ik |
| 17:29.47 | umdk1d3 | at link;a above |
| 17:29.54 | umdk1d3 | hit it yallll lol |
| 17:29.58 | romainguy | ha sweet |
| 17:30.02 | romainguy | they showed the new Home screen |
| 17:30.26 | AttractiveApe | hmmm |
| 17:30.29 | AttractiveApe | what phone are they using? |
| 17:30.37 | umdk1d3 | someonw should set topic oll |
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| 17:30.48 | romainguy | has been working hard on the new Home screen :) |
| 17:31.03 | pcjjman | Nice job romain. |
| 17:31.09 | umdk1d3 | ooh romain bloox good ;) |
| 17:31.28 | umdk1d3 | someohne needz to blog these pisx |
| 17:47.13 | umdk1d3 | meh |
| 17:47.34 | umdk1d3 | rest has talked about appengine and web tool-kit now |
| 17:49.49 | umdk1d3 | runniong low on coffee |
| 17:56.35 | umdk1d3 | talking about open slocia- |
| 17:56.51 | umdk1d3 | opensocial |
| 17:58.48 | umdk1d3 | so i asuume jasta will be in teh android sessins |
| 17:59.35 | Dougie187 | no |
| 17:59.41 | Dougie187 | he said he was going to skip them for other sessions |
| 17:59.48 | umdk1d3 | ahh |
| 18:00.03 | umdk1d3 | yea im hitting most of the aapp engiuine ones today |
| 18:00.20 | umdk1d3 | net works okay now djuroing keynote |
| 18:00.28 | umdk1d3 | but it was horrid earlierr |
| 18:00.37 | umdk1d3 | definete ujnusable |
| 18:00.38 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:01.04 | umdk1d3 | idk wat jasta l-ooks like tho lol |
| 18:01.15 | Dougie187 | im looking for a pic |
| 18:01.17 | Dougie187 | so you can see |
| 18:01.22 | umdk1d3 | ooh thx |
| 18:01.24 | Dougie187 | but you can hear his voice on his Five video |
| 18:01.36 | Dougie187 | it might be on last.fm |
| 18:01.39 | Dougie187 | if you can find his account |
| 18:01.53 | umdk1d3 | a pic would be awsome as net is slown here still |
| 18:02.34 | Dougie187 | http://www.last.fm/user/jasta/ |
| 18:02.36 | umdk1d3 | also be sure to sprread that picasa pix from earlier |
| 18:02.42 | umdk1d3 | blogemw or wsomethin |
| 18:03.01 | Dougie187 | thats him |
| 18:03.51 | Dougie187 | i sent those pics to engadget |
| 18:05.02 | umdk1d3 | awesome |
| 18:05.06 | Dougie187 | Hey umdk1d3 was that phone the HTC dream? |
| 18:05.19 | umdk1d3 | idk he kept it very zoomed close |
| 18:05.24 | umdk1d3 | coulds nsee it |
| 18:05.32 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 18:05.38 | Dougie187 | and your in the second row right? |
| 18:05.46 | Dougie187 | because i just read this. |
| 18:05.48 | Dougie187 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/28/google-demos-the-htc-dream-at-i-o-conference/ |
| 18:05.49 | umdk1d3 | yea on left |
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| 18:07.22 | umdk1d3 | doug thanx for sxending |
| 18:07.27 | Dougie187 | np |
| 18:07.34 | umdk1d3 | hopeful-ly they up it fast |
| 18:07.39 | Dougie187 | yeah i know |
| 18:07.46 | Dougie187 | they will put a video up which will be cool |
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| 18:08.24 | umdk1d3 | they kept iit well guarded tho |
| 18:08.28 | umdk1d3 | so couldnt see much |
| 18:08.34 | Dougie187 | true |
| 18:08.41 | Dougie187 | i dont know how they could know its the dream. |
| 18:08.52 | umdk1d3 | yea lol |
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| 18:12.23 | Dougie187 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/28/google-demos-the-htc-dream-at-i-o-conference/ |
| 18:12.24 | Dougie187 | video |
| 18:13.17 | Dougie187 | its mainly just the compass |
| 18:13.56 | umdk1d3 | yay |
| 18:14.41 | Dougie187 | i dont see how they know its the dream. |
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| 18:20.24 | umdk1d3 | yay ssh still worx |
| 18:20.52 | umdk1d3 | im in android sessn |
| 18:20.54 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 18:20.58 | Dougie187 | lemme know what its about |
| 18:20.59 | umdk1d3 | will try rgabbing pix |
| 18:21.01 | Dougie187 | k |
| 18:21.14 | umdk1d3 | idk if they will have more sdk stuff |
| 18:21.20 | umdk1d3 | newer opix that is |
| 18:21.21 | Dougie187 | hopefully they will. |
| 18:21.43 | umdk1d3 | me chex camera |
| 18:23.34 | umdk1d3 | bah my nokia is refusing to take pix |
| 18:23.48 | Dougie187 | maybe you should snag one of those dreams |
| 18:23.49 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:24.56 | pcjjman | umd, let me know if anything exciting happens in the Android session |
| 18:25.12 | Dougie187 | what session are you in pcjjman? |
| 18:25.18 | pcjjman | Python |
| 18:25.24 | Dougie187 | cool |
| 18:25.47 | pcjjman | Are you at IO Dougie? |
| 18:25.52 | Dougie187 | nope :( |
| 18:26.00 | Dougie187 | just following all the cool stuff from it. |
| 18:26.14 | Dougie187 | do you guys know if this is their first I/O? |
| 18:26.18 | Dougie187 | or did they have one last year too? |
| 18:26.25 | pcjjman | They had a Developer's Conference. |
| 18:26.32 | pcjjman | Same sort of shindig, different name. |
| 18:26.34 | Dougie187 | oh ok |
| 18:26.50 | umdk1d3 | oh haha |
| 18:27.06 | umdk1d3 | ell jason jsut said that they wolnt do any new sdk stufvfv |
| 18:27.12 | umdk1d3 | in thnis session at least |
| 18:27.20 | Dougie187 | bust |
| 18:27.21 | umdk1d3 | pcjj yhow life |
| 18:27.25 | pcjjman | Did your session start already? |
| 18:27.30 | umdk1d3 | does wireless seem beeter |
| 18:27.34 | umdk1d3 | nopeno tyes |
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| 18:28.10 | pcjjman | Somewhat. |
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| 18:28.22 | pcjjman | Less laggy, still really bad bandwidth. |
| 18:28.28 | umdk1d3 | lol |
| 18:28.40 | umdk1d3 | they might upgrade somewhat fr tomorrow |
| 18:28.42 | pcjjman | I can actually see the first couple letters in my message before I send it. |
| 18:28.45 | pawalls-io | umdk1d3, did you post those pictures from the keynote? :) |
| 18:28.47 | pcjjman | Hopefully. |
| 18:28.52 | umdk1d3 | lol |
| 18:28.58 | Dougie187 | pawalls-io: http://picasaweb.google.com/pcjjman/GoogleIO2008KeynoteAndroidPhotos |
| 18:29.08 | Dougie187 | and http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/28/google-demos-the-htc-dream-at-i-o-conference/ |
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| 18:29.13 | umdk1d3 | ooh hney other ppl at iop |
| 18:29.36 | umdk1d3 | pawalls-io: you in a session |
| 18:29.56 | Dougie187 | pawalls-io you know what jasta looks like right? |
| 18:30.14 | volmarias | angry |
| 18:30.17 | volmarias | the answer is angry |
| 18:30.24 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:30.30 | Dougie187 | depends what hes doing and where he is |
| 18:30.34 | Dougie187 | if hes drunk. i doubt it |
| 18:30.54 | umdk1d3 | angry loll |
| 18:31.09 | Dougie187 | if hes at an android session, most likely. |
| 18:31.22 | umdk1d3 | android session is packed |
| 18:31.59 | pcjjman | Python is as well. |
| 18:32.06 | pcjjman | We have people lined up along the walls. |
| 18:32.08 | umdk1d3 | hehe pcjj |
| 18:32.23 | umdk1d3 | pcjj its not that bad here |
| 18:32.41 | pcjjman | AC is the most scarce thing here. |
| 18:32.59 | umdk1d3 | haha |
| 18:33.05 | umdk1d3 | imglad i has phone |
| 18:33.09 | pawalls-io | pcjjman, welcome to california |
| 18:33.12 | Dougie187 | i bet jasta is in the python one |
| 18:33.33 | pawalls-io | Dougie187, he gave me a ring.. he was on the way to the android one. |
| 18:33.41 | Dougie187 | ohhh |
| 18:33.44 | pawalls-io | However, now I'm crunched into a row and there is no escape! ;-) |
| 18:33.44 | Dougie187 | he went? |
| 18:33.55 | Dougie187 | he said he wasnt going to go to the android ones. |
| 18:34.04 | Dougie187 | that liar. |
| 18:34.04 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:34.47 | pawalls-io | Why else would he come? |
| 18:34.48 | umdk1d3 | haha |
| 18:35.00 | umdk1d3 | im in frontrow left of android sessn |
| 18:35.02 | Dougie187 | maybe he is insterested in the other stuff? |
| 18:35.03 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 18:35.33 | pawalls-io | I never considered jasta as a big OpenSocial fan. |
| 18:35.45 | Dougie187 | yeah me either. |
| 18:35.48 | umdk1d3 | i should try finding him |
| 18:35.52 | Dougie187 | though i didnt know the other session was about OpenSocial |
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| 18:39.16 | umdk1d3 | will jasta have irc at today |
| 18:39.21 | Dougie187 | no |
| 18:39.24 | Dougie187 | he didnt take his laptop with him |
| 18:39.31 | Dougie187 | its at his hotel |
| 18:39.45 | umdk1d3 | hmm ill try looxing for him |
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| 18:39.58 | umdk1d3 | ooh |
| 18:40.04 | umdk1d3 | someone from io |
| 18:40.19 | umdk1d3 | dmofwhat sessn you in |
| 18:41.50 | Dougie187 | dmoffett are you at IO? |
| 18:42.38 | umdk1d3 | yea |
| 18:42.45 | umdk1d3 | he has stsn net connect |
| 18:42.46 | dmoffett | umdk1d3: yes |
| 18:42.59 | dmoffett | I am in the drinking dr pepper session |
| 18:43.06 | umdk1d3 | l-oooool |
| 18:43.16 | dmoffett | going to the Guido seession next |
| 18:43.21 | umdk1d3 | ug net laaaaagy again |
| 18:43.26 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:43.44 | umdk1d3 | we irc ppl shouldmeetup |
| 18:44.10 | dmoffett | any asshats out there? |
| 18:44.26 | umdk1d3 | o.o |
| 18:44.39 | Dougie187 | havent seen one in a while |
| 18:45.17 | dmoffett | so I guess Jasta has been pretty quite. |
| 18:45.21 | dmoffett | quiet |
| 18:45.38 | Dougie187 | he didnt take his laptop with him to IO. |
| 18:45.42 | Dougie187 | its at his hotel |
| 18:45.56 | umdk1d3 | we shlould go steal it lol |
| 18:46.09 | dmoffett | I half expected him to jump up when they claimed Android was fully open source during the keynote |
| 18:46.17 | umdk1d3 | looool |
| 18:46.40 | Dougie187 | that would have been entertaining |
| 18:46.40 | umdk1d3 | we leaked sdk pix |
| 18:46.50 | umdk1d3 | from keynote |
| 18:48.37 | pcjjman | The Python speaker is referencing Tufte |
| 18:48.47 | umdk1d3 | awesome ll |
| 18:49.01 | umdk1d3 | is it the guy who wrote python? |
| 18:49.11 | pcjjman | I'm not sure. |
| 18:49.12 | umdk1d3 | did ya bring ur book today lol |
| 18:49.18 | pcjjman | I didn't catch his name at the beginning. |
| 18:49.25 | pcjjman | Phooey, I didn't. |
| 18:49.37 | umdk1d3 | aww |
| 18:49.46 | umdk1d3 | does he have german accent |
| 18:49.58 | umdk1d3 | thick |
| 18:50.35 | dmoffett | Guido Van Rossum is the author of Python. |
| 18:51.05 | dmoffett | I think he is Dutch? |
| 18:51.11 | umdk1d3 | ahh |
| 18:54.16 | dmoffett | I would have worn my first annual python developer conference t-shirt but it would have shown my man boobs. |
| 18:54.35 | umdk1d3 | lol |
| 18:55.00 | pcjjman | Yes he does. |
| 18:55.15 | pcjjman | Have an German accent. He presented last year at GDC as well... |
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| 18:59.21 | umdk1d3 | ooh questions |
| 19:00.03 | Dougie187 | i bet jasta asks one |
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| 19:11.18 | umdk1d3-io | going to find lunch |
| 19:14.06 | pcjjman-io | Where are you? |
| 19:14.15 | pcjjman-io | umd |
| 19:31.27 | umdk1d3-io | lol |
| 19:31.42 | umdk1d3-io | pcjj im in sessn |
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| 19:38.46 | umdk1d3-io | kk in django sessn nolw |
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| 20:05.07 | umdk1d3-io | rawr |
| 20:05.17 | umdk1d3-io | django sessn is sloooow |
| 20:06.37 | umdk1d3-io | im gonna go hang out outside for awile |
| 20:08.15 | pcjjman-io | That boring? |
| 20:10.09 | umdk1d3-io | well |
| 20:10.23 | umdk1d3-io | itsxs just stuff im not interested in |
| 20:10.28 | umdk1d3-io | hwos ur sesn |
| 20:10.48 | umdk1d3-io | hes goin over lolts of tedious details |
| 20:11.11 | umdk1d3-io | ouch |
| 20:11.26 | umdk1d3-io | appengine doesnt do fulltext search |
| 20:13.11 | pcjjman-io | Not bad. Really quick overview of python. |
| 20:14.23 | umdk1d3-io | whichhone are you in |
| 20:14.44 | pcjjman-io | Room 8 |
| 20:15.05 | umdk1d3-io | second half of python? |
| 20:15.08 | pcjjman-io | Painless Python for Proficient Programmers Part I |
| 20:15.10 | pcjjman-io | I |
| 20:15.12 | pcjjman-io | Yep. |
| 20:15.18 | umdk1d3-io | ahh yea |
| 20:15.30 | pcjjman-io | What are you thinking for next session? |
| 20:15.32 | umdk1d3-io | im gonna go fimnd a job lol |
| 20:16.15 | pcjjman-io | for all jobs if salary > 100000 apply |
| 20:16.28 | umdk1d3-io | lol maaaaybe |
| 20:16.45 | umdk1d3-io | gotta doit in p'ython |
| 20:16.56 | umdk1d3-io | using lambda fn :P |
| 20:17.12 | pcjjman-io | The intarweb is so much faster now. |
| 20:17.20 | umdk1d3-io | agrred |
| 20:17.34 | umdk1d3-io | i saw ppl running aroujd with cisco accesspts |
| 20:17.53 | umdk1d3-io | we should snatchone lol |
| 20:17.58 | pcjjman-io | If someone drops one pick it up. |
| 20:17.59 | pcjjman-io | lol |
| 20:18.17 | umdk1d3-io | so i didnt fiond jasta |
| 20:18.27 | pcjjman-io | I'm thinking I'm going to hit the Android session next. |
| 20:18.30 | umdk1d3-io | i thought i sawhim |
| 20:18.39 | umdk1d3-io | mayyybe /me loox |
| 20:18.41 | umdk1d3-io | brb |
| 20:19.56 | umdk1d3-io | ouch my batt might notol make it thru day |
| 20:20.07 | pcjjman-io | Propietary charger? |
| 20:20.16 | umdk1d3-io | nah |
| 20:20.19 | umdk1d3-io | nokia |
| 20:20.20 | pcjjman-io | USB? |
| 20:20.29 | umdk1d3-io | ohlol not that easy |
| 20:23.39 | pcjjman-io | Wow, Python just got a lot cooler. It's named after Monty Python.... |
| 20:24.35 | Dougie187 | why? |
| 20:25.10 | pcjjman-io | why what? |
| 20:25.18 | Dougie187 | why is it named after monty python |
| 20:25.23 | pcjjman-io | He didn't specify why. |
| 20:25.26 | Dougie187 | oh |
| 20:25.40 | Dougie187 | thats an odd thing to name something after. |
| 20:26.01 | pcjjman-io | from wiki: An important goal of the Python developers is making Python fun to use. This is reflected in the origin of the name (after the television series Monty Python's Flying Circus), in the common practice of using Monty Python references in example code, and in an occasionally playful approach to tutorials and reference materials.[60] For example, the metasyntactic variables often used in Python literature are spam and eggs, instea |
| 20:27.42 | Dougie187 | hmm |
| 20:27.49 | Dougie187 | interesting |
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| 20:41.32 | pcjjman-io | @jeff: Sean Campbell just tried to steal my laptop |
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| 20:42.56 | pcjjman-io | umd, grab any free swag in the middle area for me before it's gone |
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| 20:56.21 | plusminus_ | omg, the new android-version from googleIO is sugar-sweet !! |
| 20:56.35 | plusminus_ | I wish I could have gone there |
| 20:56.40 | plusminus_ | :'( |
| 21:01.56 | plusminus_ | btw: http://www.anddev.org/impressive_preview_to_the_next_sdk_version_at_google_io-t2205.html |
| 21:05.08 | Dougie187 | it looks pretty sweet |
| 21:05.12 | Dougie187 | i wish i could play with it |
| 21:05.12 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 21:14.24 | Dougie187 | lol i also wish they would set a date for handset release |
| 21:16.21 | plusminus_ | 2nd half this year... |
| 21:16.27 | Dougie187 | i know |
| 21:16.29 | Dougie187 | i mean a date |
| 21:16.35 | Dougie187 | like August 28th |
| 21:16.37 | Dougie187 | or something like that |
| 21:16.41 | plusminus_ | probably New Years Eve ;) |
| 21:16.46 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 21:17.39 | pcjjman-io | If they are thinking in terms of quarters, it could even be 09. |
| 21:17.52 | pcjjman-io | *fiscal* |
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| 21:34.44 | Dougie187 | ionno |
| 21:34.56 | Dougie187 | i would have thought they would add fiscal year in there. |
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| 21:36.26 | f00f- | who else is at google i/o today? |
| 21:36.42 | Dougie187 | jasta pawalls umdk1d3-io pcjjman-io |
| 21:36.46 | Dougie187 | dmoffet |
| 21:36.54 | Dougie187 | i think thats it. |
| 21:36.57 | Dougie187 | afiak |
| 21:37.01 | Dougie187 | afaik* |
| 21:37.06 | f00f- | where are they |
| 21:37.21 | Dougie187 | pcjjman-io is on here. |
| 21:37.22 | Dougie187 | ask him |
| 21:37.28 | Dougie187 | jasta doesnt have his laptop |
| 21:37.32 | f00f- | pcjjman-io |
| 21:37.33 | Dougie187 | pawalls is gone for now. |
| 21:37.36 | f00f- | pcjjman-io: you there |
| 21:37.46 | f00f- | do they know each other? |
| 21:37.56 | f00f- | i'm at this android talk |
| 21:38.02 | f00f- | nice technical details |
| 21:38.10 | Dougie187 | i know pcjjman-io and umdk1d3-io were sitting next to each other during the keynote |
| 21:38.13 | f00f- | about the underlying details |
| 21:38.16 | Dougie187 | umdk1d3-io has been looking for jasta |
| 21:38.26 | Dougie187 | havent heard from jasta since this morning |
| 21:38.29 | f00f- | hmm ok |
| 21:38.35 | Dougie187 | but i know he and pawalls were trading phone calls earlier |
| 21:38.40 | Dougie187 | both were at the last android session |
| 21:38.57 | f00f- | ok well i'll be at the android fireside chat |
| 21:39.10 | Dougie187 | ill let them know if i see them |
| 21:39.15 | f00f- | err |
| 21:39.20 | Dougie187 | do you know what jasta looks like? |
| 21:39.40 | plusminus_ | btw: just released a new version of AndNav! |
| 21:40.06 | f00f- | yeah |
| 21:40.11 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 21:40.15 | f00f- | i mean i can spoit him in a crowd |
| 21:40.26 | f00f- | nice plusminus_ ! |
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| 21:41.04 | f00f- | yeah i'll probably be in the google gears for mobile app talk |
| 21:41.17 | f00f- | "underneath the covers at google" sounds cool too! |
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| 21:41.41 | Dougie187 | it sounds like its pretty cool to be there |
| 21:41.44 | plusminus_ | Info on new Version: http://www.anddev.org/viewtopic.php?p=8493#8493 |
| 21:41.47 | Dougie187 | theres dmoffett you can ask where he is |
| 21:42.05 | pcjjman-io | Yo |
| 21:42.08 | f00f- | hey |
| 21:42.10 | f00f- | where you at |
| 21:42.17 | f00f- | we need to have ameetup of the irc folks |
| 21:42.20 | pcjjman-io | I'm as well. Where are you in the rom? |
| 21:42.24 | f00f- | back |
| 21:42.25 | dmoffett | Level 3 on the bean bags |
| 21:42.33 | f00f- | oh yo're there? |
| 21:42.39 | f00f- | which bean bag area? |
| 21:42.41 | f00f- | i'll move there now |
| 21:43.16 | dmoffett | Level 3 bean bag area near pool tables. |
| 21:43.22 | f00f- | kk |
| 21:43.22 | f00f- | cu |
| 21:43.42 | dmoffett | I am wearing a black coat sitting against a pole. |
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| 21:49.58 | Dougie187_ | how are the session pawalls-io? |
| 21:50.15 | plusminus_ | cu |
| 21:50.17 | f00f- | dmoffett: are you wearing glasses? :) |
| 21:50.22 | dmoffett | yes |
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| 22:10.28 | umdk1d3-io | im in the security sxessn |
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| 22:14.44 | pcjjman-io | @umd you're at the secure collab session talking about lolcats? |
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| 23:20.06 | romainguy | re' |
| 23:20.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | ? |
| 23:21.03 | duey | hi |
| 23:21.12 | duey | IO on today? |
| 23:21.14 | romainguy | cool demos from Google I/O :)) |
| 23:21.22 | duey | you at IO? |
| 23:21.26 | romainguy | no |
| 23:21.30 | romainguy | in France :) |
| 23:21.39 | duey | lol |
| 23:21.48 | duey | not close at al |
| 23:22.31 | volmarias | So, I need to make a business case to a technical audience that we should create our product for android. Can anyone suggest things that I should emphasize/mention? I've never actually written a business case before. |
| 23:22.54 | Dougie187 | what is your product? |
| 23:22.57 | volmarias | For that matter, I'm new to the mobile development market, so I'm not sure what things are "oh thank god they did this" level of goodness |
| 23:23.05 | volmarias | CoPilot personal navigation |
| 23:23.11 | volmarias | like tomtom, but for cellphones and such |
| 23:23.25 | Dougie187 | well. |
| 23:23.43 | Dougie187 | it would add another level of usefulness to a cell phone |
| 23:23.53 | volmarias | well yes, but they know that. |
| 23:24.00 | volmarias | we already have a product for other cellphones |
| 23:24.05 | Dougie187 | since most people have cell phones anyways, they could get this instead of the tomtoms. |
| 23:24.12 | Dougie187 | especially if it is cheaper. |
| 23:24.16 | volmarias | no |
| 23:24.20 | volmarias | sorry |
| 23:24.23 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 23:24.29 | volmarias | I'm making the business case that we should develop copilot on android |
| 23:24.36 | volmarias | rather than devoting time/resources on other products |
| 23:24.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | didn't one of the top 50 apps do this? |
| 23:24.44 | volmarias | we already have copilot for windows mobile |
| 23:24.52 | volmarias | about half of them did, but not what we do. |
| 23:25.09 | volmarias | driving directions, routing w/o access to the webwebs, poi information, 3d, etc |
| 23:25.42 | raboof | so what they want to know is whether it'll pay back the effort |
| 23:25.49 | volmarias | pretty much |
| 23:25.53 | raboof | so they want to see a nice long list of OHA members |
| 23:25.58 | volmarias | to be personally honest I'm not entirely convinced |
| 23:26.08 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 23:26.13 | Dougie187 | well why are you making a case? |
| 23:26.16 | volmarias | in that whatever we put out, telenav may already beat us to it |
| 23:26.23 | volmarias | because it's doing this, or working on some horrible webservice stuff |
| 23:26.31 | Dougie187 | well. |
| 23:26.31 | volmarias | Android programming, C++ ugly internals. |
| 23:26.35 | volmarias | Android programming, C++ ugly internals. |
| 23:26.36 | Dougie187 | act like your convinced then |
| 23:26.36 | volmarias | hmm... |
| 23:26.51 | volmarias | right |
| 23:27.03 | volmarias | what I'm asking is, since other people probably have experience developing for other mobile phones |
| 23:27.10 | volmarias | what did google get incredibly right w/ android? |
| 23:27.12 | Dougie187 | well these will mainly be the two OS's for smart phones, (granted these BB but that doesnt count) |
| 23:27.24 | raboof | ok, so if telenav is a competitor, tell 'm why your product will be more successful |
| 23:27.29 | Dougie187 | The "open-ness" (dont ask what i mean or ill laugh) |
| 23:27.35 | volmarias | I know what you mean :P |
| 23:28.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | hahaha |
| 23:28.11 | volmarias | I mean more along the lines of "the location based management is 3 lines of code and you're done" |
| 23:28.13 | raboof | anything related to openness (i.e. ability to read OSM maps) will give you a probably advantage over competitors in the android market |
| 23:28.23 | volmarias | OSM? |
| 23:28.28 | raboof | openstreetmap |
| 23:28.33 | volmarias | ... we create our own maps. |
| 23:28.59 | raboof | just pitching ideas here |
| 23:29.04 | volmarias | yeah, I appreciate it |
| 23:29.20 | Dougie187 | I would say, this way you would cover all of the main OS's on smartphones. |
| 23:29.20 | volmarias | anyway, I'm looking more along the lines of "it's incredibly easy to debug compared to phones xyz" |
| 23:29.27 | Dougie187 | to broaden the audience. |
| 23:29.29 | volmarias | ugh, that's actually a poor argument to make |
| 23:29.41 | volmarias | due to the effectiveness of our blackberry beta |
| 23:29.50 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 23:29.50 | volmarias | which is to say the high number of "it made my device lock up" bug reports |
| 23:30.03 | volmarias | which we actually found and fixed (threading deadlock) |
| 23:30.59 | volmarias | it's not the worst argument. |
| 23:31.23 | volmarias | really, I want to convince them "if you assign 5 developers to this for a year, you'll have a reasonable return" |
| 23:31.36 | volmarias | ideological arguments are a poor tack to make, as well as anything that says we can one up a competator |
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| 23:32.27 | volmarias | so, I'm looking more along the lines of "ddms is a huge leap over traditional methods of debugging/emulators" |
| 23:32.50 | volmarias | I'm asking because I don't really have other cellphone dev experience, aside from some time spent developing for the blackberry (argh) |
| 23:33.09 | volmarias | aside from hearing my officemate scream obscenities at symbian, I don't know how good or bad things are compared to android |
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