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| 01:29.03 | Hyphenex | Any idea on when the Android is going to come out of beta and into production (I was kind of hoping it'd be up there competing with the iPhone around this time of year) |
| 01:29.38 | VooDooGuy | Hyphenex: From what i've read, sprint is talking about a released phone later this year |
| 01:29.52 | Hyphenex | VooDooGuy: around november then? |
| 01:29.55 | VooDooGuy | But the SDK i've played with is pretty incomplete I think. |
| 01:29.56 | Hyphenex | December? |
| 01:30.03 | VooDooGuy | I would imagine it will be this year |
| 01:30.11 | VooDooGuy | that's just my best guess though |
| 01:30.30 | Hyphenex | that'd be cool, what do you mean by sprint was releasing...? Can't we just buy phones outright with Android on them? |
| 01:30.32 | VooDooGuy | I'm chompin at the bit to start my android compatible game...so hopefully soon :-) |
| 01:30.51 | VooDooGuy | well, sprint is rumored to be the first to release a phone running android |
| 01:31.12 | Hyphenex | Ahhkay (I suppose AT&T in the US have iPhone, it makes sense) |
| 01:31.39 | VooDooGuy | but i'm sure verizon and att will be one of the last, since they have the most to lose :-) |
| 01:34.41 | Hyphenex | I'm actually an iPhone fan, but I can't get one unless I change phone providers here in Aus and go on a big expensive plan, so I plan on jumping ship :P |
| 01:35.14 | Dougie187 | VooDooGuy: some people dont even know if verizon and att will carry them, since they are not OHA members. |
| 01:35.28 | Dougie187 | and, kinda opposed to the whole "open" idea |
| 01:35.46 | Dougie187 | i have heard rumors though, both that Tmobile and Sprint will have android handsets out by the end of the year |
| 01:36.04 | Hyphenex | what about Australia!? :P |
| 01:36.16 | Dougie187 | i heard september and december, but i dont know if those are accurate anymore. |
| 01:36.34 | Dougie187 | lol does Australia have any carriers in the OHA? |
| 01:36.38 | AttractiveApe | Hyphenex: why not get an unlocked ifone then, and have it shipped in? |
| 01:37.00 | Hyphenex | AttractiveApe: from what I've read, there not going to sell the unlocked ones |
| 01:37.14 | Dougie187 | i believe there is a program to unlock them |
| 01:37.22 | Dougie187 | but you can't buy a 3g one without a plan |
| 01:37.27 | Hyphenex | That's the thing |
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| 01:38.36 | AttractiveApe | The apple store isn't going to sell them unlocked? |
| 01:38.40 | Dougie187 | no |
| 01:38.40 | AttractiveApe | That seems silly. |
| 01:38.50 | Hyphenex | and that's why I'm here in #android :P |
| 01:40.56 | VooDooGuy | and, if you read slashdot, there was an article today talking about punishing people who unlock the iphone |
| 01:40.58 | VooDooGuy | :-) |
| 01:41.16 | Hyphenex | is that the entire remote-wipe thing? |
| 01:46.18 | VooDooGuy | yeah, I think so |
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| 01:52.43 | romainguy_ | no |
| 01:52.49 | romainguy_ | the remote-wipe is for enterprise |
| 01:52.55 | romainguy_ | for instance if your phone gets stolen |
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| 02:26.11 | Hyphenex | is away: Lunchies |
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| 03:11.05 | Hyphenex | is back (gone 00:44:53) |
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| 09:58.57 | jess_ | any suggestions for laying out an object just a bit north of the center of the android screen? |
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| 12:39.12 | mne | What are the diffs between android and openmoko |
| 12:45.29 | Hyphenex | mne: everything :P |
| 12:46.52 | cutmasta | lol |
| 12:47.25 | mne | as far i know both are based on linux and are released under an open source license |
| 12:48.05 | mne | which one is the better choice on which hw runs android? |
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| 13:08.11 | buster_ | the design is completely different i think. openmoko is a complete open linux, with qt and c/c++ and whatnot. android is linux, too. but programs are based on java. i'd guess both run equally fine on hw, because that pretty much depends on linux support |
| 13:12.53 | mne | are there any out of the box fine working android-devices available? |
| 13:13.34 | Hyphenex | mne: now? don't bother |
| 13:13.38 | Hyphenex | just wait |
| 13:17.07 | buster_ | there are some development things |
| 13:17.11 | buster_ | omapzoom |
| 13:17.53 | buster_ | http://www.omapzoom.org/wiki/tiki-index.php |
| 13:17.53 | buster_ | plusminus von anddev just got one :> |
| 13:18.48 | mne | does android run on the openmoko neo hw? |
| 13:19.30 | buster_ | in a way that everything works and you can make calls? i highly doubt it |
| 13:20.07 | buster_ | android is not released yet, if you arent a developer you should just wait. if you are you can use the emulator from the sdk |
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| 13:29.17 | mne | primary i need a phone that works out of the box. |
| 13:30.53 | Hyphenex | mne: then wait |
| 13:34.37 | mne | i'm afraid but i think i have to use my nokia9500 and i surely dont buy a M$ phone |
| 13:35.26 | mne | until the perfect opensource phone is available |
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| 14:09.22 | buster_ | meh |
| 14:09.46 | buster_ | does someone have an idea on how to use the arguments to ContentResolver.query() properly |
| 14:10.00 | buster_ | the example i find always get the whole list of contacts |
| 14:10.12 | buster_ | and i want a proper where clause to only get a specific contact |
| 14:10.33 | buster_ | but that selection thingie creeps me out |
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| 15:49.06 | michaelnovakjr_1 | anyone here using a dell vostro laptop? |
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| 16:00.03 | dcordes | michaelnovakjr_1: no |
| 16:00.05 | dcordes | not me |
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| 16:22.38 | davidw | michaelnovakjr, I have a dell inspiron |
| 16:22.48 | davidw | poi e` mio, non nostro |
| 16:22.59 | davidw | silly names they try and think up |
| 16:23.21 | michaelnovakjr_1 | davidw, running linux? |
| 16:23.46 | davidw | yeah |
| 16:23.49 | davidw | ubuntu |
| 16:23.59 | michaelnovakjr_1 | nice, how's the wireless support? |
| 16:24.06 | davidw | good |
| 16:24.17 | michaelnovakjr_1 | does yours have nvidia graphics? |
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| 16:50.44 | jasta | yawn |
| 16:52.18 | jasta | romainguy_: you mentioned that you guys have a terminal apk? does it make native calls? |
| 16:53.38 | romainguy_ | I couldn't see this line |
| 16:54.54 | jasta | what? |
| 16:55.43 | romainguy_ | Colloquy has this bug |
| 16:55.49 | romainguy_ | sometimes when I join a channel I cannot see the text |
| 16:56.05 | romainguy_ | I have to force a clear display to see the next messages |
| 16:56.06 | romainguy_ | :) |
| 16:56.32 | jasta | ahh, well, my question was whether the terminal apk you mentioned required native calls through to another library on the system? |
| 16:57.27 | romainguy_ | I have no idea |
| 17:01.28 | jasta | can you check for me? i'm curious to see how/if you guys allocate a pty in java |
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| 17:05.33 | Dougie187 | good afternoon everyone |
| 17:05.40 | michaelnovakjr_1 | good afternoon |
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| 17:05.52 | Dougie187 | ohh havent talked to you in a while |
| 17:05.55 | Dougie187 | hows it going? |
| 17:06.19 | michaelnovakjr_1 | not bad, shopping for a new laptop, yourself? |
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| 17:06.28 | Dougie187 | not too bad either. |
| 17:06.32 | Dougie187 | i wish i could afford a new laptop |
| 17:06.33 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:06.38 | Dougie187 | i have mine all picked out, just need the money |
| 17:06.50 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i'm selling my old one to fund the new one :) |
| 17:07.02 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 17:07.10 | Dougie187 | my current one would go to my wife when i get a new one |
| 17:07.47 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i have a mac, but i'm just not a mac guy anymore |
| 17:07.59 | Dougie187 | lol i never was |
| 17:08.10 | Dougie187 | i only like them for imovie and idvd |
| 17:08.28 | michaelnovakjr_1 | yea, so i am shopping for a laptop to setup linux on |
| 17:08.34 | davidw | Dougie187, a new wife? |
| 17:08.40 | Dougie187 | lol no |
| 17:08.50 | davidw | oh;-P |
| 17:09.22 | Dougie187 | same one for the last 1.5 years |
| 17:09.31 | michaelnovakjr_1 | haha |
| 17:09.56 | muthu | mornin |
| 17:10.07 | michaelnovakjr_1 | afternoon |
| 17:10.25 | muthu | hey michaelnovakjr_1 |
| 17:10.57 | michaelnovakjr_1 | howdy |
| 17:11.41 | Dougie187 | im playing some TF2 recently |
| 17:11.41 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:12.13 | muthu | Dougie187: you seem to be playing a lot of games |
| 17:12.31 | michaelnovakjr_1 | what else is there to do? |
| 17:12.33 | michaelnovakjr_1 | no new sdk |
| 17:12.59 | muthu | you have a point! |
| 17:13.01 | Dougie187 | muthu: yeah im on summer break |
| 17:13.12 | muthu | going anywhere? |
| 17:13.19 | Dougie187 | nope |
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| 17:20.21 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr_1: you play alot of Halo lately? |
| 17:20.33 | michaelnovakjr_1 | a little bit |
| 17:20.40 | michaelnovakjr_1 | just bought the ps3 last week |
| 17:21.09 | michaelnovakjr_1 | bought Uncharted, haven't played it yet, but its top on my list of games to play |
| 17:21.11 | Dougie187 | yeah i remember you saying that |
| 17:21.25 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i was playing cod4 last night |
| 17:21.28 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:21.29 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 17:22.28 | davidw | you could start a company or something |
| 17:22.42 | davidw | or play with the wife... they often have some good features preinstalled |
| 17:22.54 | davidw | no need to wait for updates |
| 17:23.05 | Dougie187 | lol |
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| 17:23.12 | Dougie187 | yeah but they have a long cool down time |
| 17:23.48 | michaelnovakjr_1 | a long long cool down time :) |
| 17:24.51 | Dougie187 | and they overheat really quick |
| 17:25.00 | michaelnovakjr_1 | yea |
| 17:27.13 | jasta | my girlfriend and i's 2 year "anniversary" is today |
| 17:27.25 | Dougie187 | happy anniversary |
| 17:27.31 | Dougie187 | our 6 year is coming up |
| 17:27.34 | muthu | jasta: wow, where you going? |
| 17:28.47 | michaelnovakjr_1 | 2 years huh, she isn't bothering about a ring yet? |
| 17:30.27 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:30.35 | Dougie187 | sounds about the right time for those questions to happen |
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| 17:33.47 | jasta | no way |
| 17:34.25 | jasta | 2 years is an insufficient sample size to extrapolate data over 30 years. |
| 17:34.31 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:35.15 | Dougie187 | i know people who do it after 6 months |
| 17:36.22 | muthu | when do you actually decide to ask that question? |
| 17:36.44 | Dougie187 | shouldnt you already know? |
| 17:37.12 | muthu | i'm wondering about american folks |
| 17:37.17 | Dougie187 | ph |
| 17:37.18 | Dougie187 | oh |
| 17:37.21 | Dougie187 | when ever we want |
| 17:37.34 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i did it in two days |
| 17:37.47 | muthu | michaelnovakjr_1: tell me |
| 17:37.50 | Dougie187 | i did it.... about 3 years ago. |
| 17:37.57 | Dougie187 | like 3 years into it i guess |
| 17:37.58 | muthu | oh, 2 days |
| 17:37.58 | Dougie187 | maybe 2 |
| 17:38.13 | michaelnovakjr_1 | actually we were dating for 4 years before getting married |
| 17:38.19 | Dougie187 | yeah us too |
| 17:38.21 | muthu | 2yrs seems to be a good time to decide |
| 17:38.45 | muthu | what's this "dating" thing? |
| 17:39.05 | muthu | and how do you know each other by "dating"? |
| 17:39.14 | jasta | i wouldn't get married to my girl now until after she graduates college |
| 17:39.19 | jasta | which will be a minimum of 2 years |
| 17:40.09 | muthu | once she's out of college, will you marry? |
| 17:40.16 | jasta | maybe |
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| 17:41.02 | muthu | i have another question |
| 17:41.23 | muthu | is is ok, to date more than one at a time? |
| 17:41.31 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:41.31 | Dougie187 | no |
| 17:41.43 | Dougie187 | well i guess it depends. are you a sleeze ball or not? |
| 17:41.47 | muthu | haha |
| 17:42.01 | muthu | again wondering about the cultural issues since i'm not familiar |
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| 17:42.26 | jasta | i think you could guess that one. monogomy is not exactly an uncommon theme around the world. |
| 17:42.27 | michaelnovakjr_1 | if you are a swinger you can date as many as you want! |
| 17:42.47 | Dougie187 | lol not quite. |
| 17:42.51 | Dougie187 | swingers dont date more then one. |
| 17:42.57 | Dougie187 | they date one, just have sex with a ton |
| 17:42.57 | jasta | i saw a commercial on TV that was so awesome that i want to do it some day |
| 17:43.10 | jasta | this guy strapped a penguin to him and went hanggliding |
| 17:43.15 | michaelnovakjr_1 | haha |
| 17:43.21 | jasta | the penguin was like spreading his wings and flapping like he was flying |
| 17:43.27 | jasta | looking all over the place. he looked soooo happy :) |
| 17:43.41 | Dougie187 | haha |
| 17:43.44 | Dougie187 | thats awesoe |
| 17:43.46 | Dougie187 | awesome |
| 17:43.49 | jasta | totally. i want to do it :) |
| 17:44.19 | muthu | you can do it now |
| 17:46.52 | jasta | well it's not like it would be that simple |
| 17:46.57 | jasta | you can't just stroll into a zoo and ask to borrow one |
| 17:47.01 | muthu | haha |
| 17:47.02 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:47.14 | muthu | jasta: you should be a standup comedian |
| 17:47.16 | Dougie187 | be like, hello mr zookeeper, i would like to borrow mr. fluffy wings over there |
| 17:57.39 | jasta | muthu: right, because that's better than software engineer? |
| 17:58.14 | Dougie187 | lol |
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| 18:26.49 | Dougie187 | thunder |
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| 19:06.29 | muthu | android-challenge group is closed |
| 19:11.34 | jasta | good, it was gibberish anyway |
| 19:12.32 | michaelnovakjr_1 | yea, there's only 74 people in here, why do they need another group? |
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| 19:23.42 | jasta | there is a prize for anyone who can explain to me how I knew of this song before hearing it "for the first time" today: Tokyo Police Club - Tessellate |
| 19:23.51 | jasta | it must be in a movie soundtrack or something that i have seen |
| 19:24.02 | jasta | or maybe a cover, or a similar vocal style to something else, i dunno |
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| 19:30.38 | Dougie187 | maybe your a homo? |
| 19:30.42 | Dougie187 | thats my vote |
| 19:30.44 | Dougie187 | ;) |
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| 19:48.04 | jasta | i'm gonna take a crack at using GWT to implement a crude database wrapper for a project at work |
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| 19:49.13 | AttractiveApe | anything of note happen with your terminal emulator jasta? |
| 19:54.51 | jasta | no, i am very confused however. some engineers are claiming it allocates a UNIX98 pty, but that it does not use JNI. |
| 19:54.56 | jasta | which i feel must be a contradiction. |
| 19:56.28 | romainguy_ | from what I can see it just creates a process for sh |
| 19:56.31 | romainguy_ | but that's it |
| 19:56.36 | jasta | well that's not really a shell |
| 19:56.40 | jasta | err, a terminal |
| 19:57.11 | jasta | it would be missing a lot of functionality that way |
| 19:57.35 | romainguy_ | like? |
| 19:57.59 | jasta | like the ability to perform any termio |
| 19:58.29 | romainguy_ | for instnace? |
| 19:58.35 | jasta | ncurses drawing |
| 19:58.49 | romainguy_ | seems to work though |
| 19:59.04 | AttractiveApe | There's a shell available? |
| 19:59.16 | jasta | AttractiveApe: in existence, not available. |
| 19:59.47 | jasta | romainguy_: so how is it doing terminal emulation? does it presume to support VT100? |
| 20:00.24 | romainguy_ | it presumes to emulate a subset of xterm |
| 20:00.37 | romainguy_ | "Missing functionality: text attributes (bold, underline, reverse |
| 20:00.37 | romainguy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.50 | jasta | that is all termio. |
| 20:01.12 | romainguy_ | but it works well enough for what we have to do with it |
| 20:01.23 | romainguy_ | and we have much more important things to do than write a fully compliant VT100 term :p |
| 20:03.07 | jasta | does it even get a real shell prompt? just opening the sh process, unless otherwise modified, would detect that you do not have a controlling tty and behave as though you were invoking a script |
| 20:03.54 | jasta | you've basically got an interactive shell script interface if you can't allocate a pty. |
| 20:05.25 | jasta | with just ioctl punched through with JNI, i expect that supporting a fully functional UNIX98 shell with VT100 emulation would be very easy. |
| 20:05.25 | jasta | especially since the VT100 emulation is already done, and in a separate open source project. |
| 20:05.25 | jasta | and it would certainly be a less sucky shell that way :) |
| 20:06.25 | romainguy_ | we don't really care since we just adb shell :p |
| 20:06.28 | jasta | at any rate, i don't know that i have the energy for this anymore. maybe i'll just be good and wait for a real phone :( |
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| 20:07.05 | jasta | locked to a carrier i don't use, whee. |
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| 20:21.09 | Dougie187 | hey muthu are you around? |
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| 20:40.16 | muthu | hey Dougie187 |
| 20:43.07 | jasta | wow, GWT is impressive. |
| 20:43.17 | jasta | building my first real app right now ;) |
| 20:43.35 | jasta | replacing some lame-o MS Access thing we have here |
| 20:43.49 | zhobbs_ | yeah, GWT is a cool concept |
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| 20:44.36 | zhobbs_ | that's how I always thought web development should be |
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| 20:46.04 | jasta | diving into it deeper, they have their own RPC mechanism specifically for GWT applications |
| 20:46.16 | muthu | GWT is cool |
| 20:46.33 | jasta | while it looks somewhat non-portable and difficult to deploy in more sophisticated apps, simple things can be developed very quickly using it |
| 20:46.35 | muthu | for doing RIA for web |
| 20:47.20 | muthu | amazing that this is happening in US |
| 20:47.35 | muthu | Went to Washington Mutual in Dublin Blvd in Dublin/Pleasonton to cash Travellers Cheque. After looking at two id's for 10 min, said NO! |
| 20:52.51 | f00f- | what? |
| 20:52.53 | f00f- | how come muthu |
| 20:53.44 | muthu | yeah! |
| 20:53.44 | muthu | weird things happen here |
| 20:54.30 | f00f- | so you can't cash them? |
| 20:54.54 | muthu | not at that bank |
| 20:55.07 | muthu | passport is the only id you need |
| 20:55.16 | muthu | but that's not enough for washington mutual |
| 20:55.35 | muthu | and the manager sits behind locked closed doors |
| 20:56.22 | f00f- | i wonder what other strong ID's there could be |
| 20:56.26 | f00f- | passport is pretty definitive |
| 20:56.34 | f00f- | maybe they need two different ID's? |
| 20:57.16 | muthu | i had two |
| 20:57.19 | muthu | and showed them two |
| 20:58.05 | muthu | travellers cheque.. how hard can this be for banks?? |
| 20:58.15 | zhobbs_ | did you cash it somewhere else? |
| 20:58.28 | lammet | so.. has anyone been able to hack android to a real phone/hardware? |
| 20:58.32 | zhobbs_ | I've always hated washington mutual |
| 20:58.59 | muthu | zhobbs`: yeah i did |
| 20:59.04 | muthu | went to bank of west |
| 20:59.08 | muthu | and they did the job |
| 20:59.41 | muthu | only 1 id, and they were cool |
| 20:59.54 | muthu | washington mutual at dublin sucks! |
| 21:00.12 | zhobbs_ | w.m. wouldn't let my girlfriend deposit a check into my account |
| 21:00.16 | muthu | i told this story to the bank of west people, and they were like WTF? |
| 21:00.24 | muthu | even they couldn't believe this |
| 21:00.36 | zhobbs_ | so I gave up on them |
| 21:00.55 | muthu | right, WM is pretty bad |
| 21:01.04 | muthu | will never go there for anything |
| 21:01.29 | zhobbs_ | probably not very popular in India anyway :) |
| 21:01.50 | muthu | if you can't cash travellers cheque with proper documents you are not a bank/credit union |
| 21:02.10 | muthu | zhobbs`: looks like WM is not popular here too ;) |
| 21:04.32 | jasta | lammet: yes, many people. |
| 21:04.38 | jasta | but all with limited functionality |
| 21:04.59 | jasta | lammet: also, if you look carefully at the public SDK, you'll see that it is NOT a functional phone stack. |
| 21:05.27 | lammet | oh ok, i havnt looked at it at all ^^^ |
| 21:05.29 | jasta | all the telephony apps are crude or don't exist, so you could never "use" it. |
| 21:05.39 | f00f- | lol |
| 21:05.54 | lammet | bummer |
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| 21:06.03 | jasta | which is why i continually assert that if you are not a developer, you need to bugger off :) |
| 21:06.39 | muthu | f00f-: hot here in SF :( |
| 21:06.46 | jasta | and Google continually asserts that if you ARE a developer, you need to bugger off :) |
| 21:07.01 | f00f- | for shizzle muthu, it's pretty hot here in SJ as well |
| 21:07.26 | f00f- | so how many folks on your team now? |
| 21:07.31 | muthu | good in a way.. can walk around |
| 21:07.43 | muthu | f00f-: what do you think? |
| 21:07.56 | f00f- | 4 ? |
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| 21:09.17 | davidw | THERE HE IS! GET HIM! |
| 21:09.26 | davidw | just kidding:-) |
| 21:09.41 | muthu | f00f-: team size :) |
| 21:10.01 | f00f- | muthu: yes, what is it? |
| 21:10.09 | muthu | take a guess |
| 21:10.11 | muthu | hehe |
| 21:10.25 | f00f- | 3 |
| 21:10.25 | f00f- | 4 |
| 21:10.25 | f00f- | 5 |
| 21:10.26 | f00f- | 6 |
| 21:10.26 | f00f- | 7 |
| 21:10.37 | f00f- | i thought you added more since travis |
| 21:10.40 | muthu | 93 |
| 21:10.40 | muthu | 94 |
| 21:10.41 | muthu | 95 |
| 21:10.44 | muthu | 96 |
| 21:10.46 | muthu | 97 |
| 21:10.46 | f00f- | daym |
| 21:11.10 | muthu | we are growing like google |
| 21:11.14 | muthu | lol |
| 21:11.18 | f00f- | srs? |
| 21:12.03 | davidw | they're each going to get a dollar if they win |
| 21:12.22 | muthu | exactly |
| 21:12.34 | muthu | and are heading to the dollar tree afterwards ;) |
| 21:13.14 | f00f- | heh |
| 21:13.37 | f00f- | it must be some cooking app you're cooking up |
| 21:13.59 | muthu | it would be great |
| 21:14.48 | f00f- | so it *isn't* ? :) |
| 21:18.14 | muthu | f00f-: how's amsterdam? |
| 21:18.17 | muthu | having fun heh? |
| 21:19.03 | jasta | it just occurred to me that if you're in SF for a month, you must not be employed? |
| 21:19.22 | muthu | jasta: what you mean? |
| 21:19.34 | jasta | are you employed? |
| 21:19.45 | muthu | you want to hire me? |
| 21:20.08 | jasta | no, i just never thought about it before. is this Android thing somehow your source of revenue? |
| 21:20.26 | muthu | haha |
| 21:20.40 | muthu | are you working for INS? |
| 21:20.50 | muthu | lol |
| 21:21.32 | f00f- | HAHAHA |
| 21:21.34 | jasta | no, however that does raise another interesting question: why'd they let you in the states for a month without employment? :) |
| 21:21.37 | f00f- | muthu: i came back on sunday night |
| 21:21.40 | f00f- | it was pretty sweet |
| 21:21.51 | f00f- | i spent a few days there, also went to an LBS conference |
| 21:21.55 | f00f- | got some good ideas for my app |
| 21:22.14 | f00f- | i love amsterdam though... such a different atmosphere comapred to SF |
| 21:22.20 | f00f- | outdoor terrace cafe's and bars |
| 21:22.27 | muthu | f00f-: yeah, heard its a great fun place |
| 21:22.39 | f00f- | i used public transit all the way from the airport and whilst in downtown |
| 21:22.42 | jasta | my friend's dad lives there |
| 21:22.51 | f00f- | hop on a tram if you're too drunk to walk to the next stop, etc. |
| 21:23.03 | f00f- | but man, the bicyclists are fierce there |
| 21:23.24 | f00f- | you're almost more scared of them than cars |
| 21:23.33 | muthu | haha |
| 21:23.41 | muthu | did you go to one of the famous pubs there |
| 21:23.42 | muthu | ? |
| 21:23.54 | f00f- | dont know, i was chilling in rembrandtplain |
| 21:24.00 | f00f- | *rembrandtplain |
| 21:24.03 | f00f- | which is a night spot |
| 21:24.09 | f00f- | europe's biggest LCD display is there too |
| 21:24.15 | muthu | wow |
| 21:24.16 | f00f- | i was at a bar right underneath there |
| 21:24.19 | f00f- | dont know what it was called |
| 21:24.34 | f00f- | *rembrandtplein i meant |
| 21:24.46 | muthu | almost everything is legal in amsterdam.. is that it? |
| 21:25.19 | dmoffett | f00f did you bring anything back? :-) |
| 21:25.19 | f00f- | heh, if you mean drugs, then only light drugs |
| 21:25.19 | f00f- | everything is regulated, including prostitution |
| 21:25.29 | f00f- | but yeah, i whiffed quite a bit of marijuana there |
| 21:25.32 | f00f- | more than i was expecting |
| 21:25.36 | f00f- | dmoffett, no souvenirs :) |
| 21:25.43 | muthu | someone said US is so conservative, compared to europe |
| 21:25.45 | dmoffett | that is a good thing. |
| 21:26.08 | jasta | muthu: does that surprise you? |
| 21:26.10 | f00f- | although apparently the current gov't there is trying to crack down |
| 21:26.11 | muthu | dmoffett: the customs are pretty strict here |
| 21:26.21 | muthu | jasta: yes |
| 21:26.24 | dmoffett | Yep |
| 21:26.28 | jasta | muthu: then you don't know much about either ;) |
| 21:26.45 | muthu | i'm learning about US now |
| 21:26.50 | f00f- | rofl |
| 21:26.53 | jasta | read the first paragraph of any early American history lecture :) |
| 21:26.54 | muthu | haven't been to europe yet |
| 21:27.04 | jasta | and you should have a good understand why the US would be more conservative than Europe |
| 21:27.09 | jasta | understanding* |
| 21:27.18 | muthu | jasta: i learn a lot from you ;) |
| 21:27.22 | muthu | haha |
| 21:27.38 | muthu | prefer learning from people, than books |
| 21:27.55 | muthu | the other day was in bart with this old guy |
| 21:27.59 | muthu | man that was knowledge! |
| 21:28.21 | jasta | you do realize that people often just make things up, right? |
| 21:28.23 | muthu | we were so busy talking about india/us and the culture and everything.. it was great |
| 21:28.52 | muthu | jasta: yeah, but we weren't bullshitting.. we were talking about life |
| 21:29.07 | f00f- | lots of interesting people ride bart, if you go up on the richmond line -- 'local flavor' |
| 21:29.26 | jasta | what he means is 'bums' :) |
| 21:29.57 | muthu | lol |
| 21:30.21 | davidw | jasta, 95% of statistics are total horse shit |
| 21:31.50 | muthu | yeah numbers don't mean a thing |
| 21:33.19 | jasta | lol, he's agreeing with your statistic ;) |
| 21:34.00 | davidw | sleep time |
| 21:34.37 | jasta | i saw a public service ad on TV that said 1 in 4 of every fatal car crash involving a teenager between 16 and 19 had the driver testing positive for THC, indicating a pattern of marijuana abuse. |
| 21:35.14 | jasta | if you follow the statistic, you see that actually about 1 in 5 of every American child between 16 and 19 and at any given point would test positive for THC :) |
| 21:35.23 | muthu | jasta: davidw did not give any statistics |
| 21:35.39 | jasta | i always thought that was pretty fun :) |
| 21:35.57 | jasta | i mean, for most people, THC will be detectable a month after use. |
| 21:38.25 | jasta | hell, f00f just came back from amsterdam so he'll test positive :) |
| 21:38.55 | f00f- | well, i didn't smoke, i inhaled :) |
| 21:39.14 | jasta | do you not smoke? |
| 21:39.28 | f00f- | i'm not a smoker of any thing |
| 21:39.28 | muthu | haha |
| 21:39.38 | muthu | f00f-: so you went to the pub? |
| 21:39.40 | jasta | me neither, except when ive been drinking. |
| 21:39.54 | muthu | i hate smoking |
| 21:39.57 | f00f- | well yeah muthu |
| 21:40.03 | muthu | f00f-: good :) |
| 21:40.15 | f00f- | they have these really super small bars |
| 21:40.20 | f00f- | literally one room, maybe fits 20 people |
| 21:40.30 | f00f- | esp. near red light district |
| 21:40.33 | muthu | is it like the hookah one's here |
| 21:40.56 | f00f- | smaller, i'd say |
| 21:41.16 | f00f- | and lots of hole-in-the-wall restaurants |
| 21:41.16 | f00f- | if you want to call them that |
| 21:41.17 | f00f- | basically room+kitchen |
| 21:41.38 | muthu | yeah, heard apartments are pretty small there |
| 21:42.10 | muthu | f00f-: went around biking golden gate bridge.. that was cool |
| 21:42.56 | f00f- | nice! i've never done that. |
| 21:43.07 | muthu | what? |
| 21:43.16 | muthu | you've been living here for how long? |
| 21:43.25 | jasta | i've never been to the Space Needle :) |
| 21:43.31 | f00f- | i generally don't bike due to fear of getting creamed by a car |
| 21:43.38 | muthu | oh oh |
| 21:43.43 | f00f- | there are really no safe bike lanes here in CA |
| 21:43.44 | muthu | but i general i know |
| 21:43.52 | muthu | even i've never been to some places in chennai |
| 21:44.00 | muthu | you ignore local stuff |
| 21:44.07 | f00f- | of course, i've walked across the GG :) |
| 21:44.32 | muthu | f00f-: what's the plan for the weekend? |
| 21:45.21 | f00f- | nothig yet, are you in the city? |
| 21:45.43 | f00f- | or staying still in pleasanton |
| 21:45.55 | muthu | i went around the last 2 days |
| 21:46.01 | muthu | so staying at home |
| 21:46.06 | f00f- | ah ok |
| 21:46.15 | muthu | i can come over, if you have something good planned |
| 21:46.16 | f00f- | jasta, btw, did you go to the irish bankk while in SF? |
| 21:46.18 | f00f- | the one by china town |
| 21:46.22 | jasta | yeah |
| 21:46.35 | jasta | that place was cool. they had that confessional seating |
| 21:47.06 | muthu | yesterday walked around china town |
| 21:47.11 | f00f- | hah ok, i've never been but always curious whenever i passed it |
| 21:47.30 | jasta | i bet it's hoppin on weekends, but we were there on a Wed night of course. |
| 21:47.34 | f00f- | the entrance doesn't exacty look inviting, but then again i believe that's the idea |
| 21:47.48 | muthu | f00f-: where exactly is that? |
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| 21:47.56 | muthu | i want to go there sometimes |
| 21:48.03 | jasta | f00f-: you mean the alley? :) |
| 21:48.05 | f00f- | let me look it up |
| 21:48.10 | f00f- | jasta: yes exactly :P |
| 21:48.24 | jasta | i was too drunk to be concerned about trivial details like that. |
| 21:49.20 | muthu | what's this irish coffee thing? |
| 21:49.22 | f00f- | heh |
| 21:49.28 | f00f- | irish cream? |
| 21:49.34 | muthu | irish coffee? |
| 21:49.46 | jasta | hehe |
| 21:49.51 | jasta | depends who you ask |
| 21:49.59 | jasta | a real irishmen? whiskey and black coffee |
| 21:50.18 | muthu | right |
| 21:50.20 | jasta | some yuppy? bailey's and coffee with sugar |
| 21:50.21 | muthu | guess that's the one |
| 21:50.27 | f00f- | HAHA |
| 21:50.54 | jasta | fyi, irish coffee's are *the* drink for after snowboarding :) |
| 21:51.00 | jasta | coffees* |
| 21:51.07 | muthu | hmm |
| 21:53.55 | Dougie187 | hey muthu do the google people frequent the ADC1 room? |
| 21:54.00 | *** mode/#android [+o morrildl] by ChanServ |
| 21:54.15 | Dougie187 | well there is morrildl |
| 21:54.16 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 21:54.17 | *** topic/#android by morrildl -> <jasta> fyi, irish coffee's are *the* drink for after snowboarding :) |
| 21:54.58 | muthu | Dougie187: a few are there |
| 21:55.12 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 21:55.29 | f00f- | but this chan is definitely more bumpin than adc chan |
| 21:55.33 | muthu | morrildl: nice topic :) |
| 21:56.03 | morrildl | f00f-: there's an ADC channel? |
| 21:56.45 | muthu | morrildl: #adc1 is open |
| 21:56.58 | romainguy_ | morrildl: an email was sent to the mailing list with the details |
| 21:56.59 | morrildl | muthu: I thought about quoting jasta's line about being too drunk to be concerned, but thought that would be mean :) |
| 21:57.13 | f00f- | heh |
| 21:57.26 | f00f- | ok meeting time :X |
| 21:57.31 | morrildl | ahh :) |
| 21:57.42 | muthu | f00f-: have fun ;) |
| 21:58.57 | jasta | is that topic even funny? i don't get it? |
| 21:59.26 | morrildl | jasta: it's funny because it's random :) |
| 21:59.38 | jasta | at least you could apply my correction :) |
| 21:59.53 | morrildl | but then I'd be editorializing ;) |
| 22:00.33 | muthu | morrildl: if you look at the chat history that me and jasta were having some time back, you'll find a lot of interesting stuff to quote ;) |
| 22:02.26 | jasta | starts building the server-side part to this GWT project |
| 22:02.43 | Dougie187 | hows rhythm box? |
| 22:05.05 | jasta | it's going well, i finally got moving with the libsyncml devs and figured out how to build a featureful client with libsyncml (it's awful, but at least i have something to go on) |
| 22:05.14 | jasta | shouldn't be too long now |
| 22:05.31 | jasta | pretty busy on the weekends though, so progress is not great. |
| 22:05.55 | jasta | also, i started playing DotA again, so that is bad for productivity ;) |
| 22:06.24 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 22:06.25 | Dougie187 | of course |
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| 22:14.49 | Dougie187 | do you run WC3 in wine? |
| 22:15.04 | Dougie187 | oh, nm you have cedega right? |
| 22:18.35 | jasta | i use cedega |
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| 22:30.58 | jasta | Dougie187: do you play? |
| 22:31.08 | Dougie187 | i use to play DOTA all the time |
| 22:31.12 | Dougie187 | but i havent played it in a while |
| 22:31.18 | jasta | you should start up and play with us :) |
| 22:31.50 | Dougie187 | i have to find my cds |
| 22:32.31 | jasta | just torrent it. we don't play on b.net, we use pptp and then play "LAN" games ;) |
| 22:32.47 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 22:32.52 | duey | hamamamachi |
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| 22:45.46 | Razec | hi all |
| 22:45.57 | muthu | hi |
| 22:46.30 | duey | hi |
| 22:47.16 | muthu | duey: what's hamamamachi? |
| 22:47.21 | Razec | Friends...know where found tutorials, ebooks about android... |
| 22:47.27 | AttractiveApe | muthu: hamachi |
| 22:47.51 | muthu | AttractiveApe: is it like hi? |
| 22:48.00 | muthu | Razec: anddev.org, helloandroid.com |
| 22:48.10 | AttractiveApe | muthu: not sure what hi is :) |
| 22:48.14 | AttractiveApe | oh. |
| 22:48.14 | AttractiveApe | hi |
| 22:48.19 | AttractiveApe | as in the greeting. |
| 22:48.20 | AttractiveApe | no |
| 22:48.24 | muthu | hamachi - what's this? |
| 22:48.41 | AttractiveApe | muthu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamachi |
| 22:48.48 | muthu | oh the wiki |
| 22:48.49 | AttractiveApe | muthu: it's also a type of sushi ;P |
| 22:49.08 | muthu | went to the sushi bar the other day |
| 22:49.17 | muthu | it was so colorful |
| 22:49.22 | Razec | muthu checking now...thanks a lot |
| 22:49.27 | muthu | Razec: welcome |
| 22:49.43 | muthu | didn't try octopus though |
| 22:50.15 | AttractiveApe | muthu: what did you try? |
| 22:50.27 | muthu | fried tuna |
| 22:50.34 | muthu | crab |
| 22:50.41 | muthu | some mixed fish |
| 22:50.48 | muthu | shrimp tempura |
| 22:51.06 | muthu | actually must say, didn't try many of the good looking stuff |
| 22:51.08 | AttractiveApe | any raw tuna / salmon / clam? |
| 22:51.20 | muthu | not really |
| 22:51.24 | muthu | may be next time |
| 22:51.28 | AttractiveApe | chicken ;P |
| 22:51.37 | muthu | haha |
| 22:52.15 | muthu | its the sushi boat bar or something |
| 22:52.21 | muthu | where it comes around in the boat |
| 22:52.48 | Razec | |
| 22:52.48 | Razec | you have some application in a mobile Android |
| 22:53.12 | AttractiveApe | muthu: oh, where it's on the conveyor belt? |
| 22:53.21 | Razec | muthu some mobile |
| 22:53.27 | muthu | AttractiveApe: no, its on water |
| 22:53.34 | AttractiveApe | ah |
| 22:53.39 | AttractiveApe | I really hate those concepts ;) |
| 22:53.46 | muthu | its all trembling |
| 22:53.59 | AttractiveApe | The food could be out for an hour, any nobody would know :/ |
| 22:54.00 | muthu | and you can really wreck a boat if you are over excited |
| 22:54.12 | muthu | AttractiveApe: yeah guess so |
| 22:54.23 | muthu | but the chef was there cranking fresh stuff |
| 22:54.36 | muthu | and you can order from him direct if you want |
| 22:54.49 | muthu | Razec: helloandroid.com has all the android apps listed |
| 22:55.20 | Razec | muthu ok ;) |
| 22:55.29 | muthu | Razec: you new to android? |
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| 22:56.01 | Razec | muthu yes.. |
| 22:56.07 | muthu | ok cool |
| 22:56.11 | muthu | android is good stuff! |
| 22:57.37 | jasta | Razec: do note that the next public SDK is not set to release for quite some time, with the current one already somewhat old. |
| 22:58.02 | Razec | muthu now I'm identifying with him looking for tutorials, ebooks to start learning. |
| 22:58.11 | jasta | Razec: so if you develop anything significant you will need to invest some substantial time porting its implementation to the new version when it is launched |
| 22:58.52 | muthu | the porting must not be a big deal |
| 22:58.54 | jasta | Razec: because of this, i'd recommend waiting until that release comes to get involved. |
| 22:59.24 | muthu | i recommed build you stuff without worrying about the future sdk's |
| 23:00.42 | Razec | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.42 | Razec | Because learning is never enough |
| 23:01.05 | muthu | Razec: where you from? |
| 23:01.44 | Razec | muthu Brazil...my english much bad =) |
| 23:01.54 | Razec | sorry |
| 23:02.01 | muthu | don't worry about your english |
| 23:02.15 | muthu | it sounds good |
| 23:02.35 | Razec | jasta I believe in the android...to future.. |
| 23:03.06 | jasta | Razec: Ok, but I recommend you wait until the next release as the current one is going to be very out of date. |
| 23:03.56 | Razec | muthu android very interesting...When see my hello world...=) every change.... |
| 23:04.11 | romainguy_ | we're changing the APIs but we're not doign a rewrite from scratch either |
| 23:04.12 | muthu | Razec: android is the future |
| 23:04.24 | romainguy_ | I guess you can ask zhobbs` for instance if the migration was hard |
| 23:04.30 | romainguy_ | (hope it wasn't :) |
| 23:04.35 | muthu | Razec: android makes mobile application development easy and fun |
| 23:04.48 | muthu | migration was not hard |
| 23:04.59 | muthu | haha |
| 23:05.15 | muthu | zhobbs`: might have a different opinion ;) |
| 23:06.03 | jasta | romainguy_: you're also fixing significant bugs. do you really want to restart this discussion? |
| 23:06.25 | muthu | jasta: you busy? ;) |
| 23:06.30 | romainguy_ | it depends on what kind of application you write |
| 23:06.37 | romainguy_ | sure MediaPlayer is busted in M5 |
| 23:06.54 | romainguy_ | but as far as I can tell, a bunch of developers were able to build functional applications with it |
| 23:06.59 | jasta | points out that he can reliably crash the debugger |
| 23:07.15 | jasta | also, watch expressions were disabled in M5. |
| 23:07.26 | jasta | in fact, evaluating expressions at all doesn't work in the ADT. |
| 23:09.59 | jasta | Razec: also, i would avoid the assumption that Android is going to otherwise change the mobile industry. Google has clarified that their strategy is a subtle one, to lead by example. It may yet happen, but it will take quite some time. |
| 23:10.56 | muthu | jasta: Android will change the mobile space |
| 23:11.00 | jasta | In other words, the existing business models are expected to remain in tact when Android launches. |
| 23:11.29 | muthu | a free open mobile o/s will change the mobile market |
| 23:12.04 | Razec | really |
| 23:12.33 | muthu | Razec: what phone popular in brazil? |
| 23:13.57 | jasta | Razec: Also do realize that Google has structured the project so that carriers and manufacturers can (and will) still have their proprietary pieces. |
| 23:14.18 | jasta | For example, Google does not expect telephony drivers to be open sourced. |
| 23:14.49 | Razec | Brazil checking some models http://www.americanas.com.br/busca/smartphone |
| 23:14.57 | jasta | Also, Google has not committed to releasing source for any applications on the phone. So, it is possible that the home screne, dialer, browser, etc will all be closed as well. |
| 23:15.46 | muthu | Razec: looks like palm is pretty popular |
| 23:16.10 | muthu | jasta: Google strategy seems to be a good one |
| 23:16.28 | jasta | I agree in the sense that it is the only strategy that can work. |
| 23:16.35 | muthu | correct |
| 23:16.40 | jasta | However, it will be a very slow one to work. |
| 23:17.14 | jasta | I expect at launch time to have no surprises: the phones will be locked to a carrier, will require plans particular to Android devices, etc. |
| 23:17.33 | Razec | muthu today in Brazil...pay expensive in mobile... |
| 23:17.37 | jasta | And also will be running a large potion of closed source software. |
| 23:17.48 | muthu | Razec: agree, same thing in india |
| 23:18.34 | Razec | jasta with opensource (android).... every change.. |
| 23:19.02 | jasta | Right, every change. Hehe. |
| 23:19.23 | Razec | brothers sorry my english =) ahhha |
| 23:19.31 | jasta | I know, you're from .br :) |
| 23:20.05 | Razec | I'm learning english and ANDROID =) |
| 23:20.08 | muthu | Razec: things will change for sure |
| 23:20.30 | jasta | The system of education there does not emphasize English, we know ;) |
| 23:20.44 | Razec | yes .... |
| 23:20.47 | muthu | android can run on many devices, from dumb to smart |
| 23:20.57 | jasta | It's the same in the US *hehe, political jab* |
| 23:21.49 | jasta | muthu: Well, actually the set is well defined as those that can run Linux. |
| 23:22.04 | jasta | Which very few can currently do well. |
| 23:22.44 | jasta | Hopefully that will change relatively quickly. Android should hopefully collect a nice sampling of well-supported Linux devices, even if through tainted drivers. |
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| 23:25.36 | jasta | And realistically, tainted drivers written by the chip makers are at least likely to be of much higher quality than reverse engineered ones ;) |
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| 23:27.17 | AttractiveApe | yeah |
| 23:28.23 | jasta | The problem with proprietary drivers, though, are that the makers tend to abandon them in a very short while. Especially if there is no unified driver set. |
| 23:28.39 | jasta | So you have to do massive backporting work to get stuff to fit around the Linux version they were written against. |
| 23:28.58 | jasta | a big reason why even modern openwrt installations have to run Linux 2.4 for example. |
| 23:29.44 | AttractiveApe | iirc, openwrt runs 2.6 |
| 23:31.36 | jasta | only with certain drivers. the original devices that OpenWRT was hacked onto still must run 2.4, even in the kamikaze tree. |
| 23:31.52 | jasta | and this is because the broadcom chip is closed source, and was never updated by the manufacturer to work with 2.6. |
| 23:32.01 | AttractiveApe | ah |
| 23:32.16 | AttractiveApe | not sure what my wrt is running at home :) |
| 23:32.23 | jasta | other hardware devices, ones that use atheros or madwifi for example, use 2.6. |
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| 23:32.57 | jasta | that will certainly happen to Android as well. |
| 23:33.17 | jasta | the devices that get launched now will be replaced in a year or two, and the chipset maker will abandon the driver. |
| 23:33.38 | jasta | so if you want to use an older chip for some lower powered, cheap device you're gonna have to backport the crap out of Android kernel modifications to get recent software to run on them |
| 23:34.03 | jasta | it's the evils of the proprietary model. |
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