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| 01:33.49 | pinPoint | hey |
| 01:34.15 | pinPoint | when is this android planned for release and will it work on blackberrys? |
| 01:36.33 | zhobbs | Second half of year, maybe never on RIM |
| 01:40.06 | pinPoint | 2008? |
| 01:40.11 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 01:40.12 | pinPoint | zhobbs: on what phones then? |
| 01:40.22 | zhobbs | pinPoint: TBA |
| 01:40.29 | pinPoint | ohmg! |
| 01:40.39 | pinPoint | why never on RIM? |
| 01:41.01 | zhobbs | probably be a pain in the ass...and I don't think RIM will support it |
| 01:42.29 | pinPoint | can gooogle create a hack to bust the RIM os out? |
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| 01:44.02 | zhobbs | pinPoint: google won't be doing stuff like that...that's up to you |
| 01:44.57 | pinPoint | zhobbs: alright. Put next to each other. RIM OS vs ANDROID.... who is the likely candidate to win? |
| 01:45.33 | zhobbs | who knows...the best candidate doesn't always win |
| 01:45.59 | pinPoint | which will be the inovative os? |
| 01:46.49 | zhobbs | I don't know anything about RIM...never even used a blackberry before |
| 01:47.02 | zhobbs | I've never even had a smart phone :) |
| 01:48.07 | zhobbs | I just like android because it's open source (eventually) and there's no limitations on what you're allowed to do (hopefully) |
| 01:48.32 | zhobbs | for example on iPhone it's against the terms of the SDK to use the GPS to give directions to a location |
| 01:49.06 | pinPoint | what! |
| 01:49.19 | pinPoint | to get directions is illegal? why? |
| 01:49.44 | pinPoint | so iphone might be a likely candidate of the android? |
| 01:49.46 | zhobbs | probably made a deal with someone |
| 01:50.02 | zhobbs | no, htc will def have a phone out in the fall |
| 01:52.00 | pinPoint | i assume that the sdk also has a simulator so you can test the applications? |
| 01:52.23 | zhobbs | yep |
| 01:52.32 | zhobbs | helloandroid.com/apps |
| 01:54.37 | pinPoint | so the entire base is free/opensource? |
| 01:54.43 | pinPoint | not just the SDK |
| 01:55.12 | zhobbs | http://code.google.com/android/documentation.html |
| 01:55.20 | zhobbs | http://code.google.com/android/kb/index.html |
| 02:06.48 | jasta | pinPoint: well, none of it's open source yet |
| 02:07.05 | jasta | but yes, it's anticipated that the platform itself will be open source, although none of the relevant drivers and google apps will be |
| 02:28.28 | romainguy_ | pinPoint: i assume that the sdk also has a simulator so you can test the applications? << Android comes with an emulator, not a simulator |
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| 02:37.31 | pinPoint | romainguy_: whats the difference? |
| 02:37.52 | romainguy_ | the Android emulator emulates an ARM CPU |
| 02:38.02 | romainguy_ | a simulator just runs on your computer's CPU |
| 02:38.05 | romainguy_ | (basically) |
| 02:38.20 | romainguy_ | so in brief, the simulator runs much much much much faster than a real cell phone |
| 02:38.30 | romainguy_ | while the emulator runs about at the same speed |
| 02:38.42 | romainguy_ | (slower if you have a machine not very powerful) |
| 02:43.40 | pinPoint | ARM CPU? thats the same as RIM's cpu |
| 02:43.43 | pinPoint | strong arm |
| 02:43.58 | jasta | ARM processors are very common in the cell phone market. |
| 02:44.19 | jasta | so common that i doubt i've even had a cell phone that didn't have one. |
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| 02:55.25 | pinPoint | oh |
| 02:55.37 | pinPoint | so its safe to say, there is a chance rim will be involved? ;P |
| 02:57.27 | romainguy_ | ?? |
| 02:57.37 | romainguy_ | the ARM CPU is in many devices |
| 02:57.50 | romainguy_ | it's in the GameBoy Advance, it doesn't mean Nintendo is involved :)) |
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| 03:04.20 | trigatch4 | whattup peoples |
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| 03:13.46 | trigatch4 | has this place been really quietly lately or do i just come in when everyone is sleeping? |
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| 03:16.28 | zhobbs | trigatch4: it's quiet |
| 03:20.38 | trigatch4 | hmm |
| 03:20.40 | trigatch4 | wonder why |
| 03:25.37 | zhobbs | no motivation for developers right now...challenge is over and no phones are out |
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| 04:09.54 | trigatch4 | zhobbs: yet there are dozens of people in the chan |
| 04:09.58 | trigatch4 | all idling i guess |
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| 08:43.24 | sleepydroid | hi guys |
| 08:43.42 | sleepydroid | I published a new screencast yesterday |
| 08:44.04 | sleepydroid | it's for beginners (naturally) and the subject is Intents |
| 08:44.31 | sleepydroid | to see it goto sleepydroid.blogspot.com and follow the IntentDemo link |
| 08:44.36 | sleepydroid | thanks |
| 08:45.01 | sleepydroid | ps - feedback is very welcome - positive or negative just drop me an email |
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| 12:52.25 | Dougie187 | FF download day is today! |
| 12:55.57 | Zba_Phy | but FF3 is not out |
| 13:01.18 | Dougie187 | not till 10 am PDT |
| 13:07.16 | Dougie187 | brb |
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| 13:32.12 | sleepydog_androi | FF is? |
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| 13:39.05 | zhobbs_ | sleepydog_androi: firefox |
| 13:41.29 | sleepydog_androi | oohhh |
| 13:41.36 | sleepydog_androi | hi zacc |
| 13:41.53 | sleepydog_androi | zach even |
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| 16:46.47 | jasta | morning folks |
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| 17:09.47 | f00f- | ff3 is hog |
| 17:09.48 | f00f- | nothing new |
| 17:09.49 | f00f- | move along |
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| 17:12.20 | romainguy | ff3 is the new Mozilla :) |
| 17:12.25 | romainguy | (big and bloated? :) |
| 17:12.46 | f00f- | i'm still drooling about opera 9.50 |
| 17:13.00 | f00f- | although i like ff3's recent history when you cant bother to remember the url |
| 17:13.42 | zhobbs_ | f00f-: opera 9.5 rocks |
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| 17:16.42 | Dougie187 | lol getfirefox.com is rather slow |
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| 17:30.54 | muthu | is firefox 3 out? |
| 17:32.34 | Dougie187 | supposedly |
| 17:32.40 | Dougie187 | but i cant even get to getfirefox.com |
| 17:32.47 | Dougie187 | it was supposedly released at 10am PDT |
| 17:32.54 | Dougie187 | which was about 30 minutes ago |
| 17:33.08 | Kraln | they invited the internet to rape them |
| 17:33.14 | Dougie187 | yeah i know |
| 17:33.14 | Kraln | and then they got suprised when they got raped. |
| 17:33.14 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:33.45 | Dougie187 | like a million people said they would download it. |
| 17:34.33 | Dougie187 | that equals, complete ownage of servers. |
| 17:35.29 | Dougie187 | i bet you can update it through RC3 though, to get the full version. though everything says its exactly the same as rc3 |
| 17:35.52 | f00f- | i just installed opera 9.5 on my windows machine |
| 17:35.54 | f00f- | sexy |
| 17:36.16 | muthu | flock seems to be good too |
| 17:37.08 | f00f- | it seems like garbage |
| 17:37.26 | muthu | hehe |
| 17:37.37 | f00f- | its coming out of AT&T ? |
| 17:37.39 | f00f- | is what i heard |
| 17:37.52 | f00f- | we dont need yet another browser |
| 17:37.58 | muthu | flock is there for a while |
| 17:38.02 | muthu | its a social browser |
| 17:38.08 | romainguy | flock is based on Gecko anyway |
| 17:38.35 | f00f- | confuse the market with more names more fragmentation |
| 17:38.44 | romainguy | or just gives more choice |
| 17:38.48 | romainguy | how is that confusing the market? |
| 17:38.58 | romainguy | as long as it does not introduce yet another rendering engine to support... |
| 17:39.07 | muthu | i use flock |
| 17:39.22 | muthu | its the same as firefox |
| 17:39.36 | muthu | but all your social networks bundled |
| 17:40.38 | zhobbs_ | I've been a life long opera fanboy |
| 17:40.54 | Kraln | I like opera 9.5 |
| 17:41.39 | f00f- | kraln how is your chat app going |
| 17:42.51 | Kraln | someone actually emailed me about it today |
| 17:42.59 | Kraln | they want to make the user experience more pleasant |
| 17:43.18 | f00f- | is poffy sitll with you |
| 17:43.26 | Kraln | yes |
| 17:44.16 | muthu | Kraln: if you make the UI more simple and easy to use, that can be a good IRC client for android |
| 17:44.24 | Dougie187 | im a fan of firefox |
| 17:45.19 | Dougie187 | i dont think i would try flock, just because i dont give a crap about social networks |
| 17:45.20 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:45.45 | Kraln | muthu: rgr. |
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| 17:48.44 | cutmasta | Http/1.1 Service Unavailable |
| 17:48.45 | cutmasta | haha |
| 17:48.48 | cutmasta | nice mozilla |
| 17:49.00 | Dougie187 | heh yeah |
| 17:49.05 | Dougie187 | its been that way for about 45 minutes. |
| 17:49.05 | f00f- | server too busy? |
| 17:49.11 | f00f- | flush your dns buddy |
| 17:50.19 | cutmasta | forgot the www |
| 17:50.24 | cutmasta | www.mozilla.org is working |
| 17:50.25 | cutmasta | normal |
| 17:53.10 | Dougie187 | hey guys, using find in linux how do you search recursively all directories for a word? |
| 17:53.31 | f00f- | find | grep blah |
| 17:53.48 | Dougie187 | ... |
| 17:53.50 | f00f- | grep --recursive biatch /home |
| 17:53.51 | f00f- | etc. |
| 17:53.56 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 17:53.58 | zhobbs_ | "find -name blah*" or something |
| 17:54.13 | zhobbs_ | grep will look in files |
| 17:54.16 | f00f- | i can never remember find's args so i use the cheap way ^^ |
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| 18:27.14 | Dougie187 | lol http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/?p=downloadday has svn conflicts. |
| 18:29.19 | Dougie187 | <<<<<<< .mine ======= >>>>>>> .r15918 |
| 18:29.19 | Dougie187 | is at the top |
| 18:29.30 | Dougie187 | ohhh, they fixed it. |
| 18:29.31 | Dougie187 | just now |
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| 18:33.34 | RPStudent2009 | Hello. |
| 18:34.35 | Dougie187 | hello |
| 18:34.40 | RPStudent2009 | is there anyone here who is familiar with the linux kernelmaking process? |
| 18:34.50 | RPStudent2009 | or with porting android to devices? |
| 18:35.02 | Dougie187 | yes, no? |
| 18:35.12 | RPStudent2009 | ok great! |
| 18:35.23 | f00f- | makemakemake |
| 18:35.30 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 18:48.22 | Dougie187 | i got it! |
| 19:01.10 | zhobbs_ | wow, what a contest: |
| 19:01.10 | zhobbs_ | http://gizmodo.com/5016996/gizmodos-iphone-sdk-app-contest |
| 19:08.59 | RPStudent2009 | you know how the linux part of the android kernel has been posted already? |
| 19:09.32 | RPStudent2009 | if I wanted to compile the kernerl for use on a pre-existing platform, how would I compile it for an embedded device? |
| 19:09.56 | Dougie187 | no idea. |
| 19:11.02 | RPStudent2009 | crap... |
| 19:11.13 | Dougie187 | i dont think many people know, if anyone does. |
| 19:11.16 | RPStudent2009 | doesn anyone in here know how to compile linux kernel for embedded devices? |
| 19:14.35 | f00f- | just compile it |
| 19:14.36 | f00f- | just do it |
| 19:14.46 | f00f- | get a cross compiler |
| 19:14.58 | f00f- | and if the kernel version is available for that arch good |
| 19:15.00 | f00f- | else, get a patchkit |
| 19:15.02 | f00f- | or write one |
| 19:15.06 | f00f- | we need more details, etc. |
| 19:15.37 | RPStudent2009 | okay, I'll start from the beginning. |
| 19:16.24 | RPStudent2009 | I am a student in a science & technology program, for my science fair project, I would like to test android on different pre-existing platforms. |
| 19:16.25 | jasta | yawn |
| 19:16.42 | Kraln | RPStudent2009: it's not fully open sourced yet |
| 19:16.44 | Kraln | gfl. |
| 19:17.20 | RPStudent2009 | I understand that, that's why I'm asking about linux in general, because I need to know in what direction to go when the source is released. |
| 19:17.39 | RPStudent2009 | and in the mean time I am playing around with Purple Labs Linux, but I cant compile it to run. |
| 19:17.46 | RPStudent2009 | that's why I need help. |
| 19:19.09 | jasta | RPStudent2009: have you started with Google or with IRC? |
| 19:19.40 | jasta | f00f-: http://androidguys.com/2008/06/17/andy-rubin-shows-off-talks-android/ -- seen this? |
| 19:19.44 | jasta | the new icons at the top look like hell :) |
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| 19:22.28 | RPStudent2009 | I began with google... |
| 19:22.40 | RPStudent2009 | I've done all the research I can, |
| 19:23.10 | RPStudent2009 | I've installed fedora core 9 on this computer under a virtual machine to assist me in compiling the kernel once I figure out how... |
| 19:23.26 | jasta | so you looked at how to cross compile the linux kernel for a particular platform/arch? |
| 19:23.40 | RPStudent2009 | no. |
| 19:23.45 | RPStudent2009 | where can I find that? |
| 19:23.50 | jasta | google. |
| 19:23.55 | RPStudent2009 | hmm..... |
| 19:24.02 | jasta | but if you are new to Linux in general then you're going about this project all wrong. |
| 19:24.22 | RPStudent2009 | what do you mean? |
| 19:25.34 | jasta | well, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 19:25.35 | f00f- | jasta: veyr interesting. |
| 19:26.10 | zhobbs_ | jasta: I think this is interesting "There are 20 default applications loaded with Android including GMail, Google Maps, and a program that allows you to view all YouTube clips." |
| 19:26.35 | zhobbs_ | 20 default apps |
| 19:26.47 | jasta | yeah, but how many of those will be trivial? :) |
| 19:26.52 | jasta | i dont think there will be surprises there. |
| 19:26.56 | RPStudent2009 | I am trying to port a linux platform to existing hardware, android if at all possible, but if the source isn;t released in time, Purple Labs Linux |
| 19:27.08 | zhobbs_ | jasta: just would be nice to see some previews of some of them |
| 19:27.10 | jasta | they will integrate with their online services, yes. there will be a picasa app, a gmail app, a reader app, etc. |
| 19:27.13 | jasta | duh :) |
| 19:27.58 | zhobbs_ | if they have "gmail" app, but not an "email" app I'll be pissed |
| 19:28.07 | RPStudent2009 | LMAO!!!! |
| 19:28.18 | RPStudent2009 | true stuff, but I have a gmail so I wont be too mad. |
| 19:28.30 | jasta | zhobbs_: i think they are going to make a lot of dumb decisions like that, honestly. |
| 19:28.55 | zhobbs_ | that'd be serious bs |
| 19:29.00 | jasta | but just find some goofy way to integrate POP/IMAP or something into GMail, all hackish like :) |
| 19:29.35 | zhobbs_ | corporate users need imap |
| 19:29.57 | f00f- | remember, operators will rebrand all of this |
| 19:30.10 | f00f- | you may only see a couple of google apps |
| 19:30.23 | RPStudent2009 | true |
| 19:31.08 | RPStudent2009 | that's the saddest part though, because operators will end up rewriting half the stuff anyway, and then it'll be a struggle between user intent, and the corporate agends. |
| 19:31.25 | RPStudent2009 | *agenda. |
| 19:32.29 | zhobbs_ | that's why we'll have a cool stripped down android distro |
| 19:33.04 | RPStudent2009 | wait....we? who are you? ;) |
| 19:33.29 | zhobbs_ | well, you can help if you want |
| 19:33.42 | jasta | when it all comes down to it, i think the main "win" for Android will be the developer tools, not the phone itself. |
| 19:33.53 | Dougie187 | hey jasta |
| 19:33.55 | Dougie187 | hows it going. |
| 19:34.02 | jasta | it really might end up being a totally mediocre phone experience without developers adding onto it. |
| 19:34.24 | jasta | Dougie187: pretty good |
| 19:34.27 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 19:34.37 | Dougie187 | i had a cool idea for an app |
| 19:34.37 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:35.13 | jasta | yeah? |
| 19:35.36 | Dougie187 | yeah gimme a sec and ill pm you the description. |
| 19:35.45 | jasta | it's secret? |
| 19:35.51 | Dougie187 | eh. |
| 19:35.56 | Dougie187 | i think its a good idea. |
| 19:35.59 | Dougie187 | and it seems easy. |
| 19:36.01 | Dougie187 | so ionno |
| 19:36.06 | zhobbs_ | doesn't Android seem like a really ambitious product? a product they can't really just slap "beta" onto like they do with all their other products...I think this will be an interesting test for google |
| 19:36.15 | Dougie187 | but it owuld be an added feature to the electric fence |
| 19:36.20 | zhobbs_ | I'm excited to see how it turns out |
| 19:36.23 | jasta | zhobbs_: yeah, and i don't think initially they will succeed. |
| 19:36.28 | jasta | honestly, i don't. |
| 19:36.41 | zhobbs_ | I have doubts, but I hope it works out |
| 19:36.47 | jasta | if the launch goes off "end of '08" like we've been told, it will stumble out of the gate for sure. |
| 19:37.09 | jasta | but, ultimately, as i said if the platform bolsters the best dev experience, and a capable phone platform to run apps, then it will get dev attention |
| 19:37.10 | zhobbs_ | jasta: I agree...I have a feeling the reviews will be "so-so" |
| 19:37.10 | RPStudent2009 | I just hope they release the source before Aug. 29. |
| 19:37.28 | zhobbs_ | RPStudent2009: hmm, doubt it |
| 19:37.42 | f00f- | source is already out for te kernel |
| 19:37.45 | f00f- | has been out for months |
| 19:37.56 | jasta | yeah, in fact, the kernel git tree for android is public |
| 19:38.07 | RPStudent2009 | wait...I thought that was the SDK, not the kernel. |
| 19:38.17 | jasta | the SDK itself is not open sourced |
| 19:38.19 | f00f- | source for the SDK hasn't been released yet buddy |
| 19:38.26 | f00f- | kernel is all you need |
| 19:38.29 | jasta | but the kernel is, and had to be. it would be a GPL violation for it not to be. |
| 19:38.34 | f00f- | add a userland like busybox and you're ready to roll |
| 19:38.51 | f00f- | it' sjust like any other embedded device running linux |
| 19:38.53 | jasta | yeah, but the Android kernel tree is largely modifications to support the Android platform itself, not just Linux |
| 19:39.05 | jasta | there is no reason to run the Android kernel on a phone unless you intend to bring the platform up too |
| 19:39.21 | jasta | lots of things like openbinder, a redesigned OOM killer, etc. why would you need that to just boot Linux on a phone |
| 19:39.50 | f00f- | just compile it and go, if it works good :) |
| 19:39.59 | f00f- | i havent looked at the changes myself |
| 19:40.15 | f00f- | but i suspect there is an init that gets called |
| 19:40.22 | f00f- | i mean you're going to just mess around with it anyway |
| 19:40.26 | f00f- | you wont be doing anything serious with it |
| 19:40.37 | jasta | the kernel doesn't contain init, f00f. |
| 19:40.42 | f00f- | it calls init |
| 19:41.20 | jasta | yeah, but my point is the Android kernel tree is pointless without the Android stack. Why not just check out 2.6.x and load it up on a phone if your only goal is to run Linux? |
| 19:41.31 | f00f- | cause it's boring :) |
| 19:41.39 | jasta | the android kernel itself is just as boring without the stack. |
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| 20:03.24 | EA2009 | so how would I go about getting the kernel |
| 20:04.33 | donomo | EA2009: you might check out openmoko.org |
| 20:04.52 | EA2009 | for the android kernel? |
| 20:05.06 | donomo | EA2009: for linux on cellphones (not android related) |
| 20:05.28 | EA2009 | openmoko isn;t up my alley, it's too open, if that makes sense. |
| 20:05.57 | donomo | grins |
| 20:08.49 | jasta | EA2009: git.android.com |
| 20:09.02 | jasta | or something like that, android.org maybe |
| 20:10.58 | EA2009 | yeah, I've been to this GIT branch before, but I dont know how to download the kernel. |
| 20:11.39 | f00f- | just git it over |
| 20:11.49 | f00f- | you'll have to compile it |
| 20:12.29 | jasta | EA2009: then read a tutorial on git. |
| 20:15.01 | zhobbs_ | EA2009: http://code.google.com/p/android/downloads/list |
| 20:15.32 | muthu | 20 default apps |
| 20:15.34 | muthu | wow! |
| 20:15.55 | muthu | i'm not sure how many they plan to bundle among top 20 winners |
| 20:16.24 | muthu | anyone know how many default apps iphone has? |
| 20:16.46 | zhobbs_ | muthu: I'd be surprised if any adc apps made official bundle via google (maybe via OEM's) |
| 20:16.58 | muthu | right |
| 20:17.18 | muthu | or the carriers |
| 20:17.45 | muthu | not sure how many will get picked up though |
| 20:18.32 | EA2009 | I'm confused. |
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| 20:20.44 | EA2009 | which one should I download? |
| 20:26.08 | jasta | EA2009: android-msm is the branch you probably want. |
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| 20:32.52 | EA2009 | not ftom GIT, from android.google.com |
| 20:32.59 | EA2009 | because I dont know how to use GIT |
| 20:33.33 | zhobbs_ | EA2009: you're planning on trying to port it to a device? |
| 20:35.30 | f00f- | if you don't know how to use git or don't care to learn, you should just not try |
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| 20:41.16 | Razec | hi all |
| 20:42.39 | EA2009 | I do care to learn, but I need someone to show me how. |
| 20:42.55 | EA2009 | yes I am planning on porting it. |
| 20:43.13 | EA2009 | zhobbs_: I am planning on porting it. |
| 20:46.10 | EA2009 | hello |
| 20:47.08 | muthu | EA2009: can you google and find out about git? |
| 20:47.49 | jasta | EA2009: you realize that just compiling it is the simplest step in porting to an existing device. by a very wide margin. |
| 20:48.07 | jasta | the hardest step is figuring out the GPIOs, IRQs, etc. |
| 20:48.17 | jasta | actually, not even, the hardest is analyzing the MMU dumps... |
| 20:49.36 | zhobbs_ | jasta: apparently the hardest step is d/l'ing the tar file and extracting it |
| 20:49.41 | zhobbs_ | or grabbing from git |
| 20:51.21 | EA2009 | yeah, please, for the love of God, explain all that. |
| 20:56.31 | jasta | EA2009: are you kidding me? do you know how long that would take to explain to you how to reverse engineer device drivers and code them up for Linux? |
| 20:57.18 | jasta | You've got reading to do before you can even begin your work :) |
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| 21:12.04 | EA2009 | thanks, can you give me an idea of where to begin? |
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| 21:16.42 | jasta | EA2009: well, google "how to compile the linux kernel" |
| 21:16.49 | jasta | then google, "how to cross-compile the linux kernel" |
| 21:17.13 | jasta | then google, "cross-compile android linux kernel" :) |
| 21:18.11 | jasta | now you've got an ARM-compiled kernel which can be booted by HaRET on a compatible device. |
| 21:18.41 | jasta | the HTC Vogue, Kaiser, and a few other devices can run the kernel now. |
| 21:18.49 | jasta | though there is limited supported for other pieces |
| 21:19.32 | jasta | though do realize that there is a significant investment to learn how to do this sort of hacking. |
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| 22:08.18 | f00f- | Dougie187: what do you smoke? |
| 22:08.39 | Dougie187 | nothing. |
| 22:08.45 | Dougie187 | i have bad allergies. |
| 22:08.47 | Dougie187 | and asthma |
| 22:08.52 | muthu | f00f-: you smoke? |
| 22:09.00 | Dougie187 | what do you smoke? |
| 22:09.48 | f00f- | nah, i'm no smoker |
| 22:09.51 | f00f- | i only inhale because i have to |
| 22:10.06 | f00f- | sup muthu, nah, but i'll happily do shots of vodka with you |
| 22:10.18 | muthu | haha |
| 22:10.23 | Dougie187 | why do you ask? |
| 22:10.32 | f00f- | just your name.... |
| 22:10.37 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 22:10.39 | f00f- | reminds me of ... i dont know what |
| 22:10.45 | f00f- | let's smoke a dougie? |
| 22:10.45 | f00f- | i dont know |
| 22:10.46 | Dougie187 | sublime? |
| 22:10.50 | Dougie187 | oh |
| 22:10.52 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 22:10.54 | Dougie187 | i smoke fools |
| 22:10.56 | Dougie187 | like that |
| 22:10.58 | f00f- | haha |
| 22:11.18 | Dougie187 | and PABs |
| 22:11.23 | Dougie187 | i smoke them all the time. |
| 22:11.28 | Dougie187 | and scouts in Team Fortress 2 |
| 22:12.18 | f00f- | oh okay, i really know what you're talking about there. |
| 22:12.31 | Dougie187 | lol |
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| 22:18.06 | Dougie187 | Diablo 2 has a new patch that allows the game to be run without a cd for those interested. |
| 22:19.13 | jasta | blech. |
| 22:19.21 | jasta | i hate those types of games. |
| 22:19.33 | f00f- | diablo |
| 22:19.36 | f00f- | damn that was years ago |
| 22:19.37 | f00f- | decades in fact |
| 22:19.39 | jasta | rewarding losers :) |
| 22:19.42 | jasta | just like WoW |
| 22:20.32 | f00f- | just give me mario on android |
| 22:20.34 | f00f- | that's all i ask |
| 22:20.52 | f00f- | it's been out for JavaScript for ages now |
| 22:21.23 | Dougie187 | Lol |
| 22:21.26 | Dougie187 | i love Diablo 2. |
| 22:21.30 | Dougie187 | i cant get into WoW though |
| 22:22.14 | Dougie187 | i think its cool that blizzard is putting no-cd stuff into games now, and allowing you to play without having a legit cd |
| 22:22.41 | Dougie187 | new sc2 screenshot as well. http://www.shacknews.com/screenshots.x?gallery=10074&game_id=4110&id=121288 |
| 22:25.24 | jasta | Dougie187: it's frankly silly that more companies don't adopt that attitude. |
| 22:25.31 | jasta | old games are played at like lan parties and stuff |
| 22:25.38 | jasta | everyone probably at one point or another owned it, lost it, forgot about it |
| 22:25.44 | jasta | and pull it out to play with friends for nostalgic purposes |
| 22:25.54 | jasta | stupid to require a cd key. no one in their right mind is going to buy a game that old anyway :) |
| 22:26.03 | jasta | you'd just hastle with pirating or give up. |
| 22:26.37 | jasta | though i did go back and buy quake3 a couple of years ago. i felt overcome with guilt that it was my favorite game for years and years without ever legally purchasing it :) |
| 22:30.57 | f00f- | nice jasta, good to see you paying |
| 22:31.10 | f00f- | you're not all open source =) |
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| 23:04.17 | jasta | f00f-: my affinity for open source grew out of my total joblessness when i first started programming. i have money these days, and am not just generally cheap :) |
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| 23:52.08 | Dougie187 | hey jasta you around yet? |