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| 00:15.23 | jasta | if Dougie comes by looking for me, tell him ill be back in about20m |
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| 00:27.12 | muthu | http://www.montana.edu/cpa/news/nwview.php?article=6005 |
| 00:27.22 | muthu | wow, 150 job offers |
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| 01:50.56 | jasta | hello |
| 01:56.27 | Razec | jasta..whats up |
| 01:59.46 | jasta | not much |
| 02:05.31 | Razec | =( |
| 02:09.57 | jasta | ? |
| 02:14.51 | Razec | jasta Whats use to design menu and fields to android? droid draw? |
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| 17:12.12 | michaelnovakjr | pretty quiet in here |
| 17:16.18 | zhobbs_ | *crickets* |
| 17:16.55 | michaelnovakjr | how's it going? |
| 17:17.22 | zhobbs_ | good |
| 17:17.28 | zhobbs_ | you? |
| 17:17.42 | michaelnovakjr | not bad |
| 17:18.07 | michaelnovakjr | still trying to get rid of my macbook pro |
| 17:18.39 | zhobbs_ | intel? |
| 17:18.57 | michaelnovakjr | yep |
| 17:19.03 | zhobbs_ | how old, how much you want? |
| 17:19.12 | zhobbs_ | what size, etc |
| 17:19.31 | michaelnovakjr | its a 2.16 core duo, 2GB ram, 100GB hard drive, 15.4 inch glossy screen |
| 17:19.38 | michaelnovakjr | i'm asking now for 1300 |
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| 17:20.33 | michaelnovakjr | its in great shape, i'm getting rid of it because I am looking to get a 13 inch linux laptop |
| 17:21.26 | zhobbs_ | when did you buy it? |
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| 17:21.47 | michaelnovakjr | 06 i believe |
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| 17:22.00 | michaelnovakjr | got the original box too :) |
| 17:22.10 | michaelnovakjr | i'm anal about my computers |
| 17:22.32 | zhobbs_ | does ubuntu run well on it? |
| 17:22.41 | michaelnovakjr | in vmware sure |
| 17:22.50 | michaelnovakjr | that is actually what I was running |
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| 17:23.02 | michaelnovakjr | ubuntu 8.04 in vmware fusion |
| 17:24.00 | zhobbs_ | hmm, I should probably upgrade my desktop first |
| 17:24.06 | zhobbs_ | even though mylaptop is on it's last legs |
| 17:24.19 | michaelnovakjr | what kind of laptop do you have? |
| 17:24.23 | zhobbs_ | dell |
| 17:24.36 | michaelnovakjr | what's your desktop? |
| 17:24.41 | zhobbs_ | screen has vertical lines in it, keys are falling off, etc |
| 17:24.45 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 17:24.57 | michaelnovakjr | i've got one of those.... my old thinkpad is like that |
| 17:25.02 | zhobbs_ | home built athlon 2 Ghz... |
| 17:25.21 | zhobbs_ | I was looking at getting a quad core intel for the desktop |
| 17:25.42 | michaelnovakjr | my desktop i built too, i put an athlon x2 dual core, like a 2.8 with 4gb ram |
| 17:25.51 | michaelnovakjr | i am holding out for the amd quads |
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| 17:26.07 | michaelnovakjr | the one I have now is fast so I can afford to wai |
| 17:26.07 | michaelnovakjr | t |
| 17:28.04 | michaelnovakjr | so yea, I am looking to get a 13in. xps with mandriva |
| 17:28.16 | michaelnovakjr | i don't use the mac side very much if at all |
| 17:28.53 | zhobbs_ | built this wishlist 2 weeks ago, came down $250 already: |
| 17:28.53 | zhobbs_ | http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=7683151 |
| 17:29.11 | zhobbs_ | that's what I was thinking about for my desktop |
| 17:29.32 | zhobbs_ | hmmm, mobo is gone |
| 17:29.38 | zhobbs_ | that's why it came down!! :) |
| 17:31.14 | michaelnovakjr | what kind of board are you going to put in it? |
| 17:31.29 | michaelnovakjr | 8800 GT is a good graphics choice |
| 17:31.58 | michaelnovakjr | how come not looking at the xeon? |
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| 17:33.14 | zhobbs_ | don't know :) |
| 17:34.02 | michaelnovakjr | my board will support 16gigs of ram |
| 17:38.34 | zhobbs_ | actually, I can get one of these for $229 through a friend: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115026 |
| 17:39.52 | zhobbs_ | I just gotta take a bunch of online intel sessions/games |
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| 17:45.06 | michaelnovakjr | damn |
| 17:45.16 | michaelnovakjr | that's one expensive chip |
| 17:45.39 | michaelnovakjr | how do you get one for $229 and why wouldn't you! |
| 17:45.55 | michaelnovakjr | i'm not a hardcore intel fan and i would certainly do that |
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| 17:53.22 | zhobbs_ | yeah, I'm going to try to get that |
| 17:53.42 | zhobbs_ | intel hooks up retail people, and he works at circuit city |
| 17:56.08 | Dougie187 | hey michaelnovakjr, do you pay for mandriva? |
| 17:56.50 | Dougie187 | i guess i mean the powerpack thing. |
| 17:57.03 | michaelnovakjr | Dougie187: nope |
| 17:57.12 | Dougie187 | have you ever tried it? |
| 17:57.18 | michaelnovakjr | mandriva? |
| 17:57.26 | Dougie187 | no the powerpack |
| 17:57.29 | michaelnovakjr | oh nope |
| 17:57.30 | Dougie187 | http://www.mandriva.com/en/product/mandriva-linux-powerpack |
| 17:57.32 | michaelnovakjr | just mandriva |
| 17:57.49 | michaelnovakjr | didn't look into the powerpack, i'm happy with mandriva |
| 17:58.00 | Dougie187 | are you doing one or free? |
| 17:58.02 | michaelnovakjr | the screenshot i sent yesterday is my mandriva machine |
| 17:58.06 | Dougie187 | yeah |
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| 17:59.01 | Dougie187 | Which version are you running? |
| 17:59.06 | Dougie187 | One or Free? |
| 17:59.14 | michaelnovakjr | Mandriva One |
| 18:00.01 | Dougie187 | Ill download it and try out the live cd |
| 18:00.14 | michaelnovakjr | sweet, i am using the xfce cd |
| 18:00.23 | michaelnovakjr | the default is kde |
| 18:00.30 | Dougie187 | yuck.. |
| 18:00.30 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:00.33 | Dougie187 | im not a kde fan |
| 18:00.34 | michaelnovakjr | i found the xfce link on google |
| 18:01.41 | michaelnovakjr | ftp://download.tuxfamily.org/mcc/xfcelive/i586/int/ |
| 18:07.07 | Dougie187 | ive only tried xfce once. |
| 18:07.09 | Dougie187 | it was pretty cool. |
| 18:07.16 | Dougie187 | i always thought about switching to xubuntu |
| 18:07.25 | Dougie187 | i take it you enjoy xfce? |
| 18:07.38 | michaelnovakjr | yes i do |
| 18:08.00 | Dougie187 | what do you like about it over gnome? |
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| 18:10.29 | michaelnovakjr | its fast |
| 18:10.31 | Dougie187 | lol why doesnt ubuntu change the default media played from totem to mplayer |
| 18:10.32 | Dougie187 | or vlc? |
| 18:10.44 | michaelnovakjr | no idea :) |
| 18:10.56 | michaelnovakjr | customizing was really easy too |
| 18:11.06 | michaelnovakjr | as you can see it does look like a particular distro |
| 18:11.09 | Dougie187 | did you ever try xubuntu? |
| 18:11.48 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 18:11.56 | michaelnovakjr | guy i work with uses it too |
| 18:12.09 | michaelnovakjr | he likes it |
| 18:12.16 | michaelnovakjr | he's running 7.10 though |
| 18:12.22 | Dougie187 | did you like xubuntu? |
| 18:12.43 | michaelnovakjr | yea, i've just found ubuntu in general to be a bit buggy |
| 18:12.53 | Dougie187 | with what? |
| 18:12.54 | michaelnovakjr | i've tried kubuntu, ubuntu, xubuntu |
| 18:13.07 | jasta | yawn |
| 18:13.15 | michaelnovakjr | my browser would not start, media player wouldn't have sound, terminal would freeze |
| 18:14.05 | Dougie187 | thats no good. |
| 18:14.09 | Dougie187 | ive never had those issues. |
| 18:15.51 | michaelnovakjr | yea, i've heard it happen to some people but not others |
| 18:16.14 | michaelnovakjr | package management in ubuntu is far superior than any other distro i think |
| 18:16.49 | Dougie187 | is mandriva debian based? |
| 18:17.29 | michaelnovakjr | nope |
| 18:18.15 | Dougie187 | whats it based on? |
| 18:20.58 | jasta | RedHat, i thought |
| 18:21.23 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 18:21.26 | michaelnovakjr | it uses rpms |
| 18:21.37 | Dougie187 | so you use yum? |
| 18:21.44 | michaelnovakjr | rpmdrake |
| 18:21.52 | Dougie187 | lol is it better then yum? |
| 18:21.57 | michaelnovakjr | i think so |
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| 18:22.03 | Dougie187 | ok. |
| 18:22.04 | michaelnovakjr | i was never a fan of yum |
| 18:22.06 | Dougie187 | because yum sucks balls |
| 18:22.11 | Dougie187 | its slower then anything. |
| 18:22.16 | Dougie187 | its really good for searching |
| 18:22.27 | Dougie187 | but it is slower then crap for installing and updating |
| 18:22.35 | michaelnovakjr | synaptic is awesome |
| 18:22.45 | Dougie187 | if apt-cache could search as good as yum it would be amazing. |
| 18:22.52 | Dougie187 | apt-get is really fast though |
| 18:23.04 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 18:24.15 | michaelnovakjr | i use compiz-fusion on the xfce too |
| 18:24.36 | Dougie187 | thats cool |
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| 18:25.13 | michaelnovakjr | and emerald to get my theme |
| 18:25.36 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 18:25.47 | f00f- | ugh |
| 18:26.04 | michaelnovakjr | ugh? |
| 18:26.29 | Dougie187 | lol i bet hes a redhat fan. |
| 18:27.40 | f00f- | piss off |
| 18:27.41 | f00f- | i'm a debian guy |
| 18:27.46 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 18:27.49 | f00f- | although as of late |
| 18:27.52 | f00f- | i am pissed off at debian |
| 18:27.55 | f00f- | dude to their openssl patches |
| 18:28.03 | f00f- | i've lost trust for debian security team |
| 18:28.06 | Dougie187 | i have been noticing those as well |
| 18:28.14 | f00f- | i mean ptaching that shit |
| 18:28.17 | f00f- | it's complete bullshit |
| 18:28.19 | Kraln | is silly. |
| 18:28.23 | f00f- | people that have no clue about openssl |
| 18:28.26 | f00f- | shouldn't be allowed to maintain it |
| 18:28.29 | f00f- | (on debian side i mean) |
| 18:29.15 | Dougie187 | write them a letter |
| 18:29.38 | f00f- | sell me a stamp and a bong |
| 18:29.52 | Dougie187 | ask muthu hes close to you |
| 18:30.10 | f00f- | heh |
| 18:30.23 | Dougie187 | hell hed buy you a bong. |
| 18:30.34 | Dougie187 | with that 25k hes sitting on |
| 18:30.39 | michaelnovakjr | he's got time on his hands |
| 18:30.42 | muthu | what 25k? |
| 18:30.43 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 18:30.48 | michaelnovakjr | stuck in san fran :) |
| 18:30.51 | Dougie187 | ~10 days to kill |
| 18:30.52 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:31.01 | muthu | haha, spend all my money now |
| 18:31.05 | Dougie187 | you guys can go down to fillmore street and smoke with all of them |
| 18:31.08 | muthu | broke! |
| 18:31.19 | f00f- | he's just pissing the money away |
| 18:31.32 | Dougie187 | you get me that laptop yet muthu? |
| 18:31.33 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:31.40 | muthu | Dougie187: too late |
| 18:31.45 | Dougie187 | :( |
| 18:31.46 | muthu | every cent had been pissed off ;) |
| 18:32.16 | Dougie187 | ok, well you have to buy f00f- a stamp and a bong so he can write a letter to the maintainers of openssl |
| 18:32.33 | Dougie187 | and complain about the recent increase of patches they have been creating |
| 18:32.37 | muthu | f00f-: has a lot of money left |
| 18:32.43 | f00f- | :D |
| 18:32.47 | f00f- | oh you do? |
| 18:32.57 | Dougie187 | lol. do you guys have access to each others bank accounts or something? |
| 18:33.02 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 18:33.11 | f00f- | trust me, you dont want access to my account |
| 18:33.16 | Dougie187 | you guys arnt dating are you? |
| 18:33.23 | muthu | hehe |
| 18:33.24 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 18:33.30 | f00f- | ok Dougie187, go smoke a bong, cause that's where i draw the line |
| 18:33.32 | f00f- | NOT FUNY |
| 18:33.39 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:33.42 | muthu | lol |
| 18:33.48 | Dougie187 | everyone else likes it. |
| 18:33.57 | muthu | Dougie187: don't count me |
| 18:34.16 | Dougie187 | (02:33:24 PM) muthu: hehe and (02:33:42 PM) muthu: lol = muthu likes it. |
| 18:34.32 | muthu | i just take it easy, i'm a wise man! |
| 18:34.40 | Dougie187 | two laughs withing 20 seconds of each other. |
| 18:34.43 | Dougie187 | within* |
| 18:34.48 | f00f- | loo |
| 18:35.15 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 18:36.33 | muthu | hey, friendfeed is cool |
| 18:36.41 | Dougie187 | what is that? |
| 18:37.02 | michaelnovakjr | probably another dumb social site |
| 18:37.23 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:37.28 | Dougie187 | where you feed your friends. |
| 18:37.31 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 18:37.36 | Dougie187 | you give them fish food |
| 18:37.37 | michaelnovakjr | food stamps |
| 18:37.39 | Dougie187 | and watch them grow |
| 18:37.52 | Dougie187 | then you can take your friends. and fight other peoples friends |
| 18:38.02 | Dougie187 | who ever has the most friends at the end of the fight wins |
| 18:38.10 | michaelnovakjr | i would probably lose :) |
| 18:38.25 | f00f- | last.fm ! |
| 18:38.26 | f00f- | fail |
| 18:38.32 | Dougie187 | maybe its an RSS Feed Site. where it sends you a list of friends that you have currently. |
| 18:38.38 | Dougie187 | just in case you forget |
| 18:38.53 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 18:39.22 | michaelnovakjr | or its a feed site that sends you emails to make you look like you have friends even when you don't! |
| 18:39.34 | Dougie187 | heh maybe |
| 18:39.36 | michaelnovakjr | its a feed of other people's emails :) |
| 18:40.11 | Dougie187 | "Hey Michael, I hope we get to play with your PS3 later today -Bob" |
| 18:40.35 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 18:40.39 | muthu | friendfeed is another social networking site |
| 18:40.43 | Dougie187 | you get like 30 emails like that |
| 18:40.46 | muthu | but built by former googlers |
| 18:40.52 | muthu | so looks kinda neat |
| 18:40.53 | michaelnovakjr | muthu, thanks for clearing that up :) |
| 18:40.57 | Dougie187 | what isnt built by former googlers? |
| 18:41.03 | michaelnovakjr | msn |
| 18:41.08 | muthu | haha |
| 18:41.11 | muthu | yahoo |
| 18:41.15 | muthu | apple |
| 18:41.15 | Dougie187 | i bet they claim to have at least one former googler. |
| 18:41.29 | Dougie187 | but the word former googler is vague. |
| 18:41.30 | michaelnovakjr | why would you leave google? |
| 18:41.36 | Dougie187 | it could just be someone who use to use google. |
| 18:41.40 | michaelnovakjr | unless you mopped the floors? |
| 18:41.42 | muthu | lot of people have left google |
| 18:41.52 | Dougie187 | change from searching with google to yahoo. |
| 18:41.59 | muthu | michaelnovakjr: if you had made your money, then you move |
| 18:42.01 | Dougie187 | "Im a former Googler!" |
| 18:42.05 | michaelnovakjr | flac is an orgasm for your ears :) |
| 18:42.11 | muthu | FF is becoming huge |
| 18:42.37 | michaelnovakjr | **sprinkles salt** |
| 18:42.53 | Dougie187 | man. i hope social networking dies off in the next decade or so. |
| 18:42.59 | muthu | nope |
| 18:43.01 | michaelnovakjr | me too |
| 18:43.04 | michaelnovakjr | i hate it |
| 18:43.05 | muthu | that's the next thing |
| 18:43.05 | Dougie187 | there is enough social networking out there. |
| 18:43.10 | muthu | like what? |
| 18:43.14 | Dougie187 | its the most irritating thing in the whole world. |
| 18:43.18 | michaelnovakjr | dude it already is the thing |
| 18:43.23 | michaelnovakjr | now that thing needs to die |
| 18:43.24 | Dougie187 | facebook and myspace are all people need. |
| 18:43.31 | Dougie187 | although myspace is more for stalkers. |
| 18:43.41 | muthu | linkedin is good |
| 18:43.53 | cybereagle | linkedin got me my job |
| 18:43.54 | Dougie187 | none of them are good muthu. |
| 18:43.58 | Dougie187 | i hate to say it. |
| 18:44.05 | muthu | Dougie187: there's value in them |
| 18:44.09 | Dougie187 | did any of you guys ever use orkut? |
| 18:44.15 | muthu | may be you don't know how to use them |
| 18:44.16 | michaelnovakjr | value??????? |
| 18:44.18 | Dougie187 | Not when you have 8000 different social networks |
| 18:44.22 | Dougie187 | There is value to 1 |
| 18:44.35 | Dougie187 | 1 has use. |
| 18:44.44 | Dougie187 | that way you can connect and see all the people you use to know. |
| 18:44.46 | cybereagle | i really am not in to social networking, i've been "social networking" on the internet for over a decade just fine without them lol. i suppose they are decent for the less geeky |
| 18:44.50 | Dougie187 | and keep in touch with your friends easily. |
| 18:44.57 | cybereagle | that said, linkedin got me my job, so it has "worth" in some sense lol |
| 18:45.04 | cybereagle | i havent used it much since then though... |
| 18:45.11 | muthu | right |
| 18:45.17 | f00f- | linkedin is really good for contacts |
| 18:45.18 | muthu | that's the value in social networks |
| 18:45.41 | Dougie187 | muthu: thats the value in a social network. |
| 18:45.43 | cybereagle | linkedin is more of a professional networking site. if it stays that way i'll like it ok. the rest though, i have no use for them. i get them, i just have no use for them |
| 18:45.50 | Dougie187 | thats like saying its a good idea to have 100 roladex's on your desk |
| 18:46.04 | muthu | Dougie187: you don't want a choice? |
| 18:46.04 | michaelnovakjr | i have a roladex |
| 18:46.06 | Dougie187 | 100 roladex's that each have 10 people in them. |
| 18:46.10 | Dougie187 | No. |
| 18:46.14 | michaelnovakjr | and it doesn't spit ads at me like myspace |
| 18:46.16 | Dougie187 | im not using them for their features. |
| 18:46.36 | muthu | different SN for different use |
| 18:46.37 | Dougie187 | you use them to stay connected with your previous contacts and to easily find people you are looking for. |
| 18:47.00 | muthu | Dougie187: you can't just have one |
| 18:47.02 | Dougie187 | lol, when i have kids. im going to blacklist myspace from our house. |
| 18:47.06 | Dougie187 | i dont want them getting stalked. |
| 18:47.07 | michaelnovakjr | hell yea |
| 18:47.09 | Dougie187 | muthu: yes you can. |
| 18:47.10 | michaelnovakjr | i already have! |
| 18:47.13 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 18:47.15 | cybereagle | maybe i9'm just an anti social geek (hah, maybe) but i want to avoid most of my old friends at this point... |
| 18:47.20 | Dougie187 | I kinda wanna blacklist it for my wife |
| 18:47.20 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:47.26 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 18:47.38 | f00f- | CTRL-FREAKS |
| 18:47.41 | muthu | cybereagle: you avoid old friends, are you making new ones? |
| 18:47.51 | cybereagle | well obviously lol |
| 18:47.59 | muthu | ha! |
| 18:48.00 | Dougie187 | why the hell would you use a social networking tool to make new friends? |
| 18:48.00 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 18:48.05 | Dougie187 | thats like going on match.com to find friends. |
| 18:48.07 | michaelnovakjr | exactly!! |
| 18:48.22 | muthu | the whole idea of SN is to make new friends |
| 18:48.22 | michaelnovakjr | it such a bad idea |
| 18:48.25 | cybereagle | i think you misunderstand.. i dont use sn sites |
| 18:48.26 | cybereagle | lol |
| 18:48.26 | muthu | and connect with your old friends |
| 18:48.29 | f00f- | different purposes, etc. |
| 18:48.35 | Dougie187 | every time i get a friend request from someone i dont know i say "Hey i dont know who the F you are, leave me alone!" |
| 18:48.38 | Dougie187 | and i deny it |
| 18:48.41 | michaelnovakjr | muthu if i don't talk to old friends its for a reason |
| 18:48.54 | muthu | you can do that in SN too |
| 18:49.06 | muthu | you don't have to add everyone |
| 18:49.12 | Dougie187 | I dont add anyone. |
| 18:49.14 | muthu | you use it the way you want it |
| 18:49.14 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:49.15 | Dougie187 | thats my policy. |
| 18:49.28 | Dougie187 | i only add people who i have met in person and try to add me first. |
| 18:49.50 | michaelnovakjr | muthu at the end of the day it doesn't matter how many friends you have on myspace |
| 18:49.55 | cybereagle | yeah, i get all that. but when it comes down to it, all the functions i'd use i simply already have in real life anyway. sure that may change some day, but for now, i'm good without it |
| 18:50.22 | Dougie187 | cybereagle: exactly. you can write your friends info in an address book and call them if you need to. |
| 18:50.23 | muthu | SN if you use it correctly, can add a lot of value to your life |
| 18:50.26 | Dougie187 | or write them an email. |
| 18:50.32 | michaelnovakjr | its an excuse for the public to waste countless hours reading about their friends instead of actually hanging out with them!!! |
| 18:50.33 | Dougie187 | muthu: no. im sorry. but you are wrong. |
| 18:50.44 | muthu | nope |
| 18:50.47 | cybereagle | a lot of the people i know are geeky types who i've kept in touch with online way before SN sites anyway. not everyone is like me, plenty of regular joes get a lot of good use of of SN i'm sure |
| 18:50.50 | Dougie187 | SN does not add any value to your life. |
| 18:51.06 | michaelnovakjr | it wastes your life away |
| 18:51.07 | muthu | people make career out of SN |
| 18:51.13 | Dougie187 | so what? |
| 18:51.20 | cybereagle | peopel make a career out of lots of things, that doesnt mean its good or bad lol |
| 18:51.24 | michaelnovakjr | and those people will not have jobs in a few years when it all blows over |
| 18:51.26 | Dougie187 | it doesnt add any value to their lives. |
| 18:51.41 | cybereagle | well i disagree that it will "blow over" |
| 18:51.52 | cybereagle | as much as i personally dont want it, looots of people really do |
| 18:51.55 | Dougie187 | I dont think it will blow over, i just hope to god it blows over. |
| 18:51.55 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:52.03 | michaelnovakjr | i think it will |
| 18:52.07 | f00f- | i dont see anything wrong with it |
| 18:52.10 | michaelnovakjr | myspace is already feeling it |
| 18:52.12 | f00f- | if you dont like it just ignore it |
| 18:52.12 | Dougie187 | i really hope it does. |
| 18:52.15 | muthu | if you don't get SN, you are not really seeing the future |
| 18:52.23 | michaelnovakjr | i think that is the main reason for their redeisgn |
| 18:52.32 | michaelnovakjr | muthu, say what?!? |
| 18:52.42 | Dougie187 | muthu: SN is just an over stimulated address book. |
| 18:52.44 | muthu | (00:03:34) muthu: if you don't get SN, you are not really seeing the future |
| 18:52.47 | cybereagle | myspace just didnt move with the times. facebook and others probably have a lot more features and slicker systems that facebook. plus, its fashion. its not "cool" to have a myspace account now lol |
| 18:53.02 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 18:53.11 | Dougie187 | facebook i didnt hate at first. becuase it was restricted to college campuses. |
| 18:53.14 | michaelnovakjr | i just can't get over the muthu statement of not seeing the future |
| 18:53.18 | Dougie187 | myspace i have hated all along because it was anyone. |
| 18:53.24 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr: yeah i know... |
| 18:53.28 | muthu | michaelnovakjr: get over it, SN is the future |
| 18:53.33 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:53.37 | michaelnovakjr | muthu where's your crystal ball? |
| 18:53.40 | Dougie187 | muthu: how is SN the future? |
| 18:53.45 | muthu | right in front of me |
| 18:53.59 | michaelnovakjr | mobility is the future |
| 18:54.10 | michaelnovakjr | i don't care about anyone else shit but my own |
| 18:54.20 | muthu | mobility + SN |
| 18:54.24 | Dougie187 | i want to know how SN is the future. |
| 18:54.29 | michaelnovakjr | i want to get my information when i need it, not if my friend is taking a shit while blogging |
| 18:54.35 | muthu | haha |
| 18:54.38 | cybereagle | its just like real life. people fall into different social niches. there's always been mainstreams and undergrounds. the mainstream are clearly loving SN and all it brings, the underground types use less general, more specific, more unusual groupings that are ultimately the same but just dont identify as SN |
| 18:54.47 | AttractiveApe | SN? |
| 18:54.54 | Dougie187 | AttractiveApe: Social Networking |
| 18:55.06 | michaelnovakjr | AttractiveApe apparently its the future |
| 18:55.10 | AttractiveApe | ah. |
| 18:55.13 | cybereagle | its the present to be honest |
| 18:55.21 | cybereagle | you dont have to like it, but there it is lol |
| 18:55.24 | michaelnovakjr | i will agree with that |
| 18:55.26 | muthu | cybereagle: exactly |
| 18:55.27 | michaelnovakjr | it is the present |
| 18:55.29 | Dougie187 | cybereagle: The mainstream is not loving SN because of what it brings, they are loving it because it provides them a means of wasting time. |
| 18:55.33 | michaelnovakjr | but i don't think its the future |
| 18:55.45 | muthu | the mainstream needs entertainment |
| 18:55.47 | Dougie187 | I dont think its the future either. |
| 18:55.48 | muthu | SN provides it |
| 18:55.52 | Dougie187 | it feels like a fad to me. |
| 18:55.52 | cybereagle | the mainstream are getting out of SN what geeks got out of the internet in the early days. just SN makes it easier for people |
| 18:55.57 | michaelnovakjr | it is a fad |
| 18:56.03 | Dougie187 | its like the jeffersons. |
| 18:56.06 | muthu | geeks might not like SN |
| 18:56.10 | muthu | which is understandable |
| 18:56.11 | cybereagle | time and time again i see people getting excited over "new" things which are really just newer easier ways to do things i've done for years lol |
| 18:56.12 | Dougie187 | or friends. |
| 18:56.13 | michaelnovakjr | what ever happened to chia pets? |
| 18:56.17 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:56.20 | cybereagle | that doesnt make them bad things, i just get less excited over them ;) |
| 18:56.23 | Dougie187 | chia pets are the future michaelnovakjr |
| 18:56.27 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 18:56.34 | f00f- | cha cha cha cha cha CHIIAAA! |
| 18:56.34 | muthu | SN on your mobile |
| 18:56.41 | f00f- | been there done that |
| 18:56.43 | Dougie187 | SN will not be on my mobile. |
| 18:56.44 | michaelnovakjr | screw SN!! |
| 18:56.45 | Dougie187 | sorry. |
| 18:56.53 | muthu | SN will be on every school kids phone |
| 18:56.55 | Dougie187 | muthu: your like an SN hitler |
| 18:56.57 | michaelnovakjr | i don't need my friends video blog on my phone |
| 18:57.00 | Dougie187 | not my kids. |
| 18:57.08 | muthu | its like TV\ |
| 18:57.10 | muthu | TV |
| 18:57.10 | Dougie187 | well.. first off my kids arn't getting phones until they can drive. |
| 18:57.23 | Dougie187 | second. they aren't using it to check facebook or myspace. |
| 18:57.26 | michaelnovakjr | muthu definitely not like TV |
| 18:57.38 | muthu | Dougie187: you can't control your kids as you think you can |
| 18:57.39 | Dougie187 | muthu: if you want to relate it to anything, its like a TV show. |
| 18:57.42 | muthu | they are smarter than you |
| 18:57.53 | Dougie187 | muthu: No they are not. because they don't exist. |
| 18:57.58 | muthu | lol |
| 18:58.00 | michaelnovakjr | muthu, social networking is a bloated forum |
| 18:58.15 | Dougie187 | muthu: also, saying SN is like TV is basically saying its a fad. |
| 18:58.25 | muthu | SN is just like real life, more exciting though |
| 18:58.43 | Dougie187 | its like a reality tv show. |
| 18:58.46 | michaelnovakjr | wait |
| 18:58.53 | michaelnovakjr | did you say sn is more exciting than life? |
| 18:59.01 | muthu | Dougie187: and michaelnovakjr: you need to really try them before talking about them |
| 18:59.04 | cybereagle | SN is kind of like real life. but its not more exciting. thats where preference comes in. thats ultimately asll we all disagree on here |
| 18:59.06 | muthu | try friendfeed |
| 18:59.08 | Dougie187 | muthu: i have. |
| 18:59.29 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr: its more exiting because you get to pretend you have more friends then you really do! |
| 18:59.33 | michaelnovakjr | hah |
| 18:59.44 | f00f- | asl asl asl |
| 18:59.46 | muthu | you interact and colloborate |
| 18:59.54 | muthu | with friends all over the world |
| 18:59.55 | michaelnovakjr | i don't get how something virtual is better than real life? |
| 19:00.09 | michaelnovakjr | that is disturbing |
| 19:00.12 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:00.12 | Dougie187 | i know |
| 19:00.21 | Dougie187 | "I dont need friends, i just need a facebook account!" |
| 19:00.33 | michaelnovakjr | yea, let's go have a facebook party |
| 19:00.41 | muthu | exciting in the sense about the possibilities of interacting and collaborating with your network |
| 19:00.53 | f00f- | ooh aah |
| 19:01.07 | f00f- | so what's the moral of the story folks? |
| 19:01.15 | michaelnovakjr | muthu i have the possibility to meet lots of different people on the subway every morning |
| 19:01.19 | michaelnovakjr | doesn't mean i do :) |
| 19:01.23 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:01.31 | muthu | michaelnovakjr: that's not your network |
| 19:01.39 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
| 19:01.43 | Dougie187 | you go up to people on the subway. "Hello Kind sir, would you mind if I wrote your name in my book of friends?" |
| 19:01.45 | michaelnovakjr | i like cbs |
| 19:01.50 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 19:02.04 | muthu | Dougie187: that's a silly example |
| 19:02.05 | michaelnovakjr | my composition notebook nonetheless! |
| 19:02.16 | f00f- | muthu: of course it's his network |
| 19:02.23 | f00f- | it's the network of "people who ride the subway with me in the morning" |
| 19:02.28 | f00f- | anything can be a network |
| 19:02.31 | muthu | f00f-: no |
| 19:02.31 | Dougie187 | "Just so you know, its not a real book of friends. Its just people I consider to be my friends, it doesnt mean you have to be my friend so if you dont want to you dont have to. just let me write your name down" |
| 19:02.43 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 19:03.08 | muthu | Dougie187: no one lets you be your friend if they don't have to |
| 19:03.33 | michaelnovakjr | i just think its overrated |
| 19:03.38 | Dougie187 | lol im kidding muthu, im playing off of michaelnovakjr's comment to consider his network the subway. |
| 19:03.43 | Dougie187 | and michaelnovakjr: it is overrated. |
| 19:04.01 | michaelnovakjr | why is facebook worth so much money? |
| 19:04.09 | michaelnovakjr | its all based on potential |
| 19:04.19 | Dougie187 | I think facebook at the beginning was a decent idea. |
| 19:04.21 | muthu | michaelnovakjr: what you talking about? |
| 19:04.28 | muthu | you know how much money facebook makes? |
| 19:04.34 | michaelnovakjr | facebook makes money on advertising |
| 19:04.44 | Dougie187 | how they only allowed college students access to it. that way its like a networking site for work and stuff. |
| 19:04.45 | michaelnovakjr | you can sign up for fre |
| 19:04.48 | Dougie187 | but now its not that anymore. |
| 19:05.19 | Dougie187 | its just dumb |
| 19:05.23 | Dougie187 | SN blows. |
| 19:05.30 | michaelnovakjr | my mom has facebook |
| 19:05.42 | michaelnovakjr | its to keep in touch with all the ex-husbands |
| 19:05.51 | Dougie187 | I would rather go out to dinner with friends and hang out with them for a couple of hours then stare at my friends list on facebook for hours. |
| 19:05.56 | Dougie187 | lol michaelnovakjr. |
| 19:06.05 | Dougie187 | she must have a lot to need facebook for it. |
| 19:06.17 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 19:06.28 | michaelnovakjr | lots of facebook marriages |
| 19:06.34 | Dougie187 | I could see people using one social networking app for a while. |
| 19:06.40 | michaelnovakjr | :: its better than the real thing! :: |
| 19:06.48 | Dougie187 | but theres simply no need to have thousands of different SN sites. |
| 19:06.52 | Dougie187 | haha |
| 19:07.09 | f00f- | take a look at OpenSocial some of its concepts |
| 19:07.28 | michaelnovakjr | networking is a good idea |
| 19:07.35 | michaelnovakjr | if there is a productive point to it |
| 19:08.00 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 19:08.10 | Dougie187 | but most of them get abused by creepy ass stalkers |
| 19:08.22 | Dougie187 | and you get people who use them to pick on people. |
| 19:08.54 | michaelnovakjr | that is why a restrictive network is the way to go |
| 19:09.02 | michaelnovakjr | you work for microsoft then you are in the microsoft network |
| 19:09.06 | michaelnovakjr | and no one else is |
| 19:09.12 | michaelnovakjr | except others from microsoft |
| 19:09.15 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 19:09.29 | michaelnovakjr | and you talk about productivity not who scored with a hooker the night before |
| 19:09.46 | michaelnovakjr | project collaboration, not social hanky panky |
| 19:09.58 | Dougie187 | what bar to meet at on friday |
| 19:10.09 | michaelnovakjr | that is acceptable |
| 19:10.14 | michaelnovakjr | it promotes real human contact |
| 19:10.31 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:10.54 | michaelnovakjr | now muthu that is NETWORKING! |
| 19:10.57 | michaelnovakjr | and that is the future! |
| 19:11.24 | michaelnovakjr | not social networking |
| 19:11.52 | f00f- | i think proactive networking is going to be the next thing |
| 19:12.03 | f00f- | that is, from the perspective of the network |
| 19:12.20 | michaelnovakjr | f00f-: you mean productive networking? networking with a purpose? |
| 19:12.28 | f00f- | no |
| 19:12.32 | f00f- | i mean proactive |
| 19:12.53 | michaelnovakjr | what is your definition of proactive? |
| 19:12.58 | f00f- | "ask not what you can do for your network, but what your network can do for you" |
| 19:13.24 | f00f- | so merely transitioning the social network into a tool or utility |
| 19:13.25 | michaelnovakjr | hm, wouldn't it be the other way around? |
| 19:13.29 | f00f- | which suggest things for you |
| 19:13.31 | f00f- | nope |
| 19:13.34 | f00f- | i dont care about networks |
| 19:13.38 | f00f- | i want it to do things for me |
| 19:13.43 | f00f- | i dont want to be checking it constantly for updates |
| 19:13.45 | michaelnovakjr | but you would need to contribute something |
| 19:13.51 | f00f- | i want to be updated myself according to my interests, etc. |
| 19:13.55 | f00f- | yes, indeed |
| 19:14.02 | f00f- | and a set of wants from your side |
| 19:14.11 | f00f- | if each user contributes, then the nettwork can do the work for you |
| 19:14.19 | f00f- | including discovery and sharing |
| 19:14.19 | michaelnovakjr | yes |
| 19:14.35 | f00f- | there's a lot of noise to wade through on today's social nets |
| 19:14.36 | michaelnovakjr | amazon is becoming quite the master at that |
| 19:14.59 | f00f- | if you can decrease the noise, then you can have a much more vibrant and useful platform |
| 19:15.24 | michaelnovakjr | yes, but that would mean having a purpose |
| 19:15.38 | f00f- | what having a purpose? |
| 19:15.51 | michaelnovakjr | the network |
| 19:15.56 | michaelnovakjr | and what it provides you |
| 19:16.18 | f00f- | everything has a purpose |
| 19:16.45 | michaelnovakjr | and i hate web browsers! |
| 19:16.56 | f00f- | and then there were none. |
| 19:17.07 | michaelnovakjr | i don't want to interact with a web browser for complicated 'web apps' |
| 19:18.10 | michaelnovakjr | not everything has a purpose |
| 19:18.21 | michaelnovakjr | unless you consider wasting time to be a purpose |
| 19:18.28 | f00f- | depends on the objective but i see where you are coming from |
| 19:18.33 | f00f- | i dont think it's entirely justified |
| 19:19.30 | f00f- | lunch, bbl |
| 19:19.35 | michaelnovakjr | enjoy! |
| 19:20.04 | Dougie187 | either way. i hate the current state of SN |
| 19:20.19 | michaelnovakjr | me to |
| 19:20.20 | michaelnovakjr | o |
| 19:32.28 | jasta | of SN? |
| 19:33.34 | michaelnovakjr | social networking? |
| 19:50.24 | jasta | oh |
| 19:50.28 | jasta | facebook's pretty cool though |
| 19:50.48 | jasta | also, socila networks are the sort of thing you can ignore if you'd like. |
| 19:54.57 | michaelnovakjr | yea, i do a lot of ignoring |
| 19:55.47 | trigatch4 | holy crap |
| 19:55.52 | trigatch4 | there are people talking in here! |
| 19:56.07 | jasta | not about android |
| 19:56.09 | trigatch4 | last few times ive been it was library silent |
| 19:56.30 | trigatch4 | i just joined facebook like 2 days ago |
| 19:56.41 | trigatch4 | i hate social networks mostly because its 1 more thing to waste my time |
| 19:56.44 | muthu | trigatch4: is it useful to you? |
| 19:56.54 | trigatch4 | i think it might be useful at some point |
| 19:56.57 | trigatch4 | networking... |
| 19:57.04 | trigatch4 | or if i randomly want to get in touch with somebody |
| 19:57.59 | trigatch4 | but for example, my friend just started a business that offers bus trips to the beach and she (i dont think this was through facebook) emailed everyone she knows telling them about her business |
| 19:58.06 | trigatch4 | social networking, for things like that, is priceless |
| 19:58.14 | trigatch4 | her business is already booming and it really kicked off momentum |
| 19:58.20 | trigatch4 | brb, coffee :) |
| 19:58.38 | michaelnovakjr | muthu seems to think social networking is better than real life |
| 19:58.47 | michaelnovakjr | i am convinced he's a robot |
| 19:58.51 | jasta | it might be better than his real life. |
| 19:58.56 | michaelnovakjr | hah |
| 19:58.57 | michaelnovakjr | a |
| 19:59.02 | muthu | i didn't say its better |
| 19:59.41 | muthu | trigatch4: good, its indeed priceless |
| 20:00.03 | trigatch4 | hahahah |
| 20:00.11 | trigatch4 | muthu you must play 2nd life hahhahaha |
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| 20:00.38 | muthu | how's 2nd life? |
| 20:00.42 | muthu | that's something i didn't try |
| 20:00.45 | trigatch4 | retarded |
| 20:00.54 | muthu | haha |
| 20:00.59 | muthu | lot of business are there |
| 20:01.09 | trigatch4 | i decided to sign up one day when i was bored and flew around the lame ass laggy planet for 10 minutes until i wanted to kick my screen in |
| 20:01.21 | trigatch4 | then i wanted to like, buy some random shit from a store and he said i needed money |
| 20:01.25 | trigatch4 | i was like, "how do you get money" |
| 20:01.35 | trigatch4 | the answer? you gotta work at a store, like i'm doing |
| 20:01.39 | trigatch4 | ummm |
| 20:01.55 | muthu | yeah.. you need to explore |
| 20:01.55 | trigatch4 | so you waste your time working at a fake store, in a fake world, to make fake money to buy fake things? |
| 20:02.01 | trigatch4 | basically.. fuck that |
| 20:02.04 | muthu | no, you get real money |
| 20:02.23 | muthu | you can change the linden dollars to real dollars |
| 20:02.43 | trigatch4 | or how about i spend my time making real dollars in real life |
| 20:03.01 | trigatch4 | 2nd life COULD be cool if it wasn't so retarded |
| 20:03.03 | muthu | people make money out of 2nd life |
| 20:03.05 | trigatch4 | the concept is cool |
| 20:03.17 | muthu | by building stores etc., |
| 20:03.21 | trigatch4 | yeah but you have to realize 2nd life claims to have 235423592572598723592735235987r32052 members or players or something |
| 20:03.29 | muthu | yeah its huge |
| 20:03.30 | trigatch4 | and 99.9% of them are people like me |
| 20:03.43 | trigatch4 | who tried it for 27 seconds, barfed, and forgot it existed |
| 20:03.48 | muthu | i have an account, i don't bother using it |
| 20:03.54 | trigatch4 | good |
| 20:03.56 | trigatch4 | don't |
| 20:03.57 | muthu | the problem is they need credit card info and such |
| 20:04.04 | trigatch4 | they are dumb |
| 20:04.18 | trigatch4 | android has the potential to make a game that blows 2nd life out of its lame little water |
| 20:04.23 | trigatch4 | Wifi army |
| 20:04.25 | trigatch4 | shit like that |
| 20:04.37 | trigatch4 | the concept of 2nd life is cool |
| 20:04.38 | muthu | what happened to wifi army? |
| 20:04.44 | trigatch4 | nothing |
| 20:04.48 | trigatch4 | they are developing for iphone |
| 20:04.57 | trigatch4 | because android has too many setbacks |
| 20:05.05 | trigatch4 | they said they would port it over once it is complete |
| 20:05.17 | muthu | right |
| 20:05.25 | trigatch4 | look at GTA4 |
| 20:05.29 | michaelnovakjr | port? |
| 20:05.39 | michaelnovakjr | that's a complete re-write not port |
| 20:05.42 | muthu | guess goog is having fun with enkin :) |
| 20:05.46 | trigatch4 | well im not a developer |
| 20:05.48 | trigatch4 | so i wouldnt knwo |
| 20:05.50 | trigatch4 | :) |
| 20:06.00 | michaelnovakjr | one's obj-c the other is java |
| 20:06.08 | michaelnovakjr | enkin blows!!!!!!!! |
| 20:06.12 | trigatch4 | well, rewriting for android then |
| 20:06.19 | trigatch4 | why does enkin blow? |
| 20:06.27 | michaelnovakjr | its completely useless |
| 20:06.31 | trigatch4 | and what does google have to do with enkin? |
| 20:06.32 | muthu | the IO keynote guess used enkin |
| 20:06.59 | trigatch4 | brb |
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| 20:11.33 | trigatch4 | back, yeah so 2nd life is a waste of life and so i'll cease talking about it |
| 20:12.10 | muthu | no |
| 20:12.29 | muthu | there's a lot of people using it to make money |
| 20:20.06 | zhobbs_ | lots of people make money off WoW |
| 20:20.27 | muthu | there's money to be made, everywhere |
| 20:20.40 | muthu | if only you are open :) |
| 20:22.50 | trigatch4 | there may be money to be made on it |
| 20:23.05 | trigatch4 | there is also money to be wasted on it |
| 20:23.10 | trigatch4 | and time, for that matter |
| 20:24.05 | michaelnovakjr | so muthu why aren't you a millionare then? |
| 20:24.18 | muthu | will be soon |
| 20:24.21 | muthu | working on it |
| 20:24.27 | trigatch4 | me too |
| 20:24.44 | michaelnovakjr | yea me too |
| 20:24.44 | trigatch4 | you'll be a millionaire sooner if you write articles for phandroid |
| 20:24.47 | trigatch4 | god told me so |
| 20:24.50 | muthu | haha |
| 20:24.57 | michaelnovakjr | androidnerds.com! |
| 20:25.03 | muthu | ha.com |
| 20:25.07 | muthu | lol |
| 20:25.29 | muthu | i would, but there's nothing to write about now |
| 20:25.36 | michaelnovakjr | wow |
| 20:25.45 | michaelnovakjr | there really isn't anything to write about if muthu says t |
| 20:25.46 | trigatch4 | androidnerds.com is a parking page |
| 20:25.50 | michaelnovakjr | i know |
| 20:25.52 | michaelnovakjr | i own it |
| 20:26.08 | trigatch4 | you gonna put something up? |
| 20:26.14 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 20:26.18 | muthu | hey, where's the best place to do shopping? |
| 20:26.25 | trigatch4 | don't do that, it takes a lot of effort |
| 20:26.29 | trigatch4 | just join my ranks |
| 20:26.30 | trigatch4 | ;) |
| 20:26.40 | trigatch4 | shopping as in? |
| 20:26.50 | trigatch4 | i'll have a yard sale if you want to buy some shit |
| 20:27.19 | michaelnovakjr | if someone wants to buy androidnerds.com for $1300 i am all ears :) |
| 20:27.26 | trigatch4 | HA! |
| 20:27.30 | trigatch4 | like thats gonna happen |
| 20:27.43 | trigatch4 | i was offered a couple thousand for androidforums.com but turned it down |
| 20:28.26 | michaelnovakjr | i say $1300 because i need a new laptop :) |
| 20:28.32 | trigatch4 | hahahaha nice |
| 20:29.03 | trigatch4 | jon stewart on comedy central mentioned a domain name i thought was a joke, but i went to it and it exists |
| 20:29.13 | trigatch4 | i think it might be the longest domain name that actually has content |
| 20:29.19 | trigatch4 | http://icantbelievethatibarackobamahavetodealwiththisshit.com/ |
| 20:29.42 | trigatch4 | I Can't Believe That I, Barack Obama, Have to Deal With This Shit |
| 20:29.48 | trigatch4 | there you go, less hard on the eyes |
| 20:29.57 | michaelnovakjr | jeeze |
| 20:31.24 | muthu | trigatch4: when's the yard sale? |
| 20:31.51 | trigatch4 | what do you want to buy? |
| 20:31.56 | f00f- | loo |
| 20:32.00 | muthu | what you have? |
| 20:32.02 | muthu | f00f-: haha |
| 20:32.26 | michaelnovakjr | i have a macbook pro i'm selling for $1300 |
| 20:32.36 | zhobbs_ | trigatch4: some guy writing a book named "Hello, Android" made an offer to let me continue to contribute to helloandroid.com if I gave it to him |
| 20:32.47 | zhobbs_ | I passed |
| 20:34.13 | muthu | zhobbs_: how much he offered? |
| 20:34.27 | zhobbs_ | nothing |
| 20:34.35 | muthu | ha, what a deal! |
| 20:34.36 | zhobbs_ | he literally asked me to give him the domain |
| 20:34.36 | michaelnovakjr | good choice |
| 20:34.46 | romainguy | I got the contrary for my book |
| 20:34.58 | romainguy | somebody who owned filthyrichclients.com offered it to me for free without me even asking |
| 20:35.05 | muthu | wow |
| 20:35.06 | zhobbs_ | nice |
| 20:35.26 | muthu | yeah, if you have a domain and you are not doing anything |
| 20:35.30 | zhobbs_ | he owns helloandroid.net and org |
| 20:35.53 | Kraln | michaelnovakjr: what generation macbook pro? |
| 20:35.53 | f00f- | nice |
| 20:35.56 | Kraln | what size screen, etc |
| 20:36.05 | trigatch4 | Hello, Android? |
| 20:36.16 | michaelnovakjr | 2.16 core duo with 2 gigs of ram and 100gb hard drive.... 15.4 inch screen glossy |
| 20:36.28 | trigatch4 | you should register the domain, FuckOffAndroid and direct it to the domain he buys for his shitty book |
| 20:36.29 | Kraln | under applecare? |
| 20:36.46 | michaelnovakjr | didn't get the extended on it |
| 20:36.59 | trigatch4 | why do you need a new lappy? |
| 20:37.00 | Kraln | sorry not interested then =.= |
| 20:37.04 | zhobbs_ | trigatch4: his book: http://pragprog.com/titles/eband/hello-android |
| 20:37.08 | trigatch4 | or you just WANT one |
| 20:37.27 | michaelnovakjr | apple care only lasts three years anyway |
| 20:37.32 | f00f- | my new book "Goodbye, Android!" should be out in a few weeks |
| 20:37.36 | muthu | its ed |
| 20:37.49 | michaelnovakjr | i've never had the thing serviced... its a warhorse |
| 20:38.02 | f00f- | lol, workhorse? |
| 20:38.02 | zhobbs_ | muthu: yeah, met him at IO |
| 20:38.09 | muthu | i missed him |
| 20:38.23 | muthu | i missed a lot of folks |
| 20:38.53 | f00f- | who are we talking about? |
| 20:38.53 | trigatch4 | you met Ed B. at IO, the guy who demanded your domain? |
| 20:39.20 | zhobbs_ | he kinda pisses me off that he took that title...helloandroid.com has been around since like 5 hours after android was announced |
| 20:39.29 | zhobbs_ | trigatch4: yeah |
| 20:39.29 | trigatch4 | yeah |
| 20:39.32 | trigatch4 | so has phandroid ;) |
| 20:39.41 | trigatch4 | zhobbs you really shouldn't be mad |
| 20:39.44 | muthu | zhobbs_: but why you didn't register .net |
| 20:39.44 | f00f- | trigatch4: you from phandroid? |
| 20:39.45 | trigatch4 | you should be happy |
| 20:39.50 | trigatch4 | you'll get more traffic and exposure for it |
| 20:39.52 | trigatch4 | yeah i run phandroid |
| 20:40.03 | trigatch4 | who cares about the .net |
| 20:40.13 | zhobbs_ | yeah, will get traffic as a result I guess |
| 20:40.17 | trigatch4 | if someone registers it and builds it, the .com will get more traffic |
| 20:40.32 | trigatch4 | people type in .com out of habit |
| 20:40.45 | trigatch4 | so what did you say to eachother at Google IO, zhobbs_ |
| 20:41.11 | zhobbs_ | trigatch4: nothing really |
| 20:41.24 | trigatch4 | i would be embarrassed to talk to you, if i was him |
| 20:41.32 | zhobbs_ | he keeps trying to get me to be a tech reviewer for his book |
| 20:41.33 | trigatch4 | i mean really, what an idiot |
| 20:41.53 | muthu | ed, i guess own another domain |
| 20:41.58 | muthu | planetandroid.com |
| 20:41.59 | trigatch4 | yeah |
| 20:42.00 | trigatch4 | http://planetandroid.com/ |
| 20:42.04 | trigatch4 | its retarded |
| 20:42.19 | trigatch4 | it just uses all the content from other android sites and reposts it as his own |
| 20:42.26 | trigatch4 | at least he provides a link back |
| 20:42.31 | trigatch4 | but, its still retarded |
| 20:42.51 | f00f- | trigatch4: nt really, i like it, it's a no BS version of all your guys' sites |
| 20:42.54 | f00f- | good aggregation of blogs :D |
| 20:43.01 | f00f- | text-only ftw! |
| 20:43.02 | muthu | correct |
| 20:43.08 | muthu | you get the rss from there |
| 20:43.14 | muthu | you can read all android news |
| 20:43.22 | f00f- | usually i have that one open and i hit F5 every couple of days |
| 20:43.34 | muthu | zhobbs_: give me a story line |
| 20:43.37 | trigatch4 | its still retarded |
| 20:43.39 | muthu | i want to write something for HA |
| 20:43.40 | trigatch4 | he does no work |
| 20:43.44 | zhobbs_ | muthu: sure |
| 20:43.59 | muthu | its been a while |
| 20:44.37 | trigatch4 | i mean really, i could set up the same damn thing in a matter of about 1 hour |
| 20:44.49 | trigatch4 | its a gray area he's sitting in |
| 20:44.56 | muthu | guess he's smart |
| 20:45.57 | trigatch4 | he provides links back for each article and general "blog roll" links with RSS subscriptions on the right |
| 20:46.09 | trigatch4 | thats the only reason i don't really care |
| 20:46.15 | trigatch4 | at least he is sourcing the shit |
| 20:46.19 | f00f- | yeah for shore |
| 20:46.27 | trigatch4 | even if its just ripping others |
| 20:46.59 | trigatch4 | muthu: he is not smart. if he was, he would join you and all your buddies who makes lots of monies on the 2nd lifes |
| 20:47.06 | trigatch4 | hehe jk ;) |
| 20:47.34 | muthu | ed, is more like a media guy |
| 20:47.40 | muthu | if i understand right |
| 20:47.52 | trigatch4 | as opposed to what? |
| 20:47.55 | trigatch4 | a developer? |
| 20:48.03 | trigatch4 | thats what i am |
| 20:48.39 | muthu | like you |
| 20:48.51 | muthu | not sure, might be a developer |
| 20:48.56 | muthu | since he has an android book out |
| 20:49.49 | trigatch4 | yeah... makes sense |
| 20:50.12 | trigatch4 | i just find it really shitty that he would demand helloandroid.com |
| 20:50.16 | zhobbs_ | he has a GWT book out I guess |
| 20:52.26 | f00f- | http://youtube.com/watch?v=RjTu0jhqqPE |
| 20:53.27 | muthu | jasta: are you there? |
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| 20:53.56 | trigatch4 | f00f: they look like they are from Zack's next website, HelloPhotoshop.com |
| 20:54.10 | jasta | yes |
| 20:54.59 | f00f- | heh |
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| 20:56.34 | zhobbs_ | trigatch4: damn, helloiphone.com is taken |
| 20:56.47 | trigatch4 | everything is taken these days |
| 20:56.56 | trigatch4 | gotta be QUICK! |
| 20:57.06 | trigatch4 | or get left with something like.... |
| 20:57.16 | trigatch4 | MyiPhoneIsNeaaaat.info |
| 20:57.34 | zhobbs_ | I almost bought iphonesdkforums.com |
| 20:57.37 | zhobbs_ | it was available |
| 20:57.38 | f00f- | i gotta get in on some of that .mobi action |
| 20:57.50 | trigatch4 | i still think .mobi is idiotic |
| 20:57.55 | f00f- | dont whois on verisign or register.com |
| 20:58.03 | f00f- | they'll autoreg whois queries that yield no domain |
| 20:58.09 | trigatch4 | just have your website determine if the viewer is coming from a mobile device and redirect them to m.yoursite.com |
| 20:58.24 | f00f- | m.<whatever> is universal |
| 20:58.31 | trigatch4 | i use domaintools.com |
| 20:58.34 | f00f- | i wonder if .mobi will catch on |
| 20:58.39 | trigatch4 | it wont |
| 20:58.41 | trigatch4 | .tv might |
| 20:58.48 | f00f- | .tv has |
| 20:58.52 | trigatch4 | eh |
| 20:58.54 | trigatch4 | has for tech people |
| 20:58.58 | trigatch4 | not for the general public |
| 20:58.58 | f00f- | nah |
| 20:59.00 | f00f- | seen ads on tv |
| 20:59.02 | f00f- | thus caught on |
| 20:59.24 | trigatch4 | i could make a website called YouAreDumbAndFat.tv and sell diet pills through TV ads |
| 20:59.28 | trigatch4 | doesn't mean it has caught on |
| 20:59.42 | zhobbs_ | it means you'd be rich |
| 20:59.49 | trigatch4 | or an idiot |
| 20:59.53 | trigatch4 | and i might be an idiot |
| 20:59.58 | trigatch4 | but lets keep that between the folks here |
| 21:00.06 | trigatch4 | :) |
| 21:00.42 | trigatch4 | did anybody here meet Vincent Nyugen from AndroidCommunicty? |
| 21:02.15 | f00f- | bro |
| 21:02.32 | f00f- | we're saying the .tv domain has caught on in the broadcast market |
| 21:02.39 | f00f- | *TLD |
| 21:02.55 | f00f- | whether or not a particular domain catches on is anyone's gues |
| 21:03.01 | f00f- | a few TV networks are already using .tv |
| 21:07.04 | trigatch4 | damn, didnt know that |
| 21:07.53 | f00f- | www.tnt.tv uses it as their primary site |
| 21:07.58 | f00f- | www.tbs.tv redirects |
| 21:08.26 | trigatch4 | yeah |
| 21:08.39 | trigatch4 | .tv is actually meaningful or has the potential to provide meaning |
| 21:08.43 | trigatch4 | i guess .mobi does too |
| 21:08.55 | trigatch4 | but it simply doesn't make sense to me since browsers can detect your device |
| 21:09.15 | f00f- | well .mobi implies a mobile-only thing |
| 21:09.18 | f00f- | or mobile-related thing |
| 21:09.57 | f00f- | www.louvre.museum |
| 21:09.58 | muthu | .mobi did not pick off |
| 21:10.27 | f00f- | www.ibm.jobs |
| 21:10.47 | trigatch4 | yeah |
| 21:11.04 | trigatch4 | but you have to understand the cases in which they are used properly are the exception and not the rule |
| 21:11.21 | trigatch4 | most companies would just get louvremuseum.com or.org or just louvre.com |
| 21:11.43 | trigatch4 | most businesses will just have a jobs or careers section at jobs.company.com or company.com/jobs |
| 21:11.54 | f00f- | right so these are useful for exclusive sites |
| 21:12.08 | trigatch4 | i agree that the museum one could be good |
| 21:12.14 | trigatch4 | depending on what the process is of obtaining one |
| 21:12.32 | trigatch4 | just like if you go to a .gov or .edu you know that it WILL be government or education and not spam |
| 21:12.35 | trigatch4 | (for the most part) |
| 21:12.45 | f00f- | right |
| 21:13.17 | f00f- | .aq Antarctica Defined as per the Antarctic Treaty as everything south of latitude 60°S. |
| 21:13.20 | f00f- | nice |
| 21:13.54 | trigatch4 | link me to that list |
| 21:14.04 | trigatch4 | please |
| 21:14.20 | f00f- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains |
| 21:14.37 | f00f- | .fm Federated States of Micronesia Used for some radio related websites outside Micronesia. |
| 21:14.41 | f00f- | i see some .fm usage |
| 21:14.47 | f00f- | like energy here in the bay area |
| 21:14.52 | trigatch4 | yeah i see some here too |
| 21:14.54 | f00f- | i'veheard it a few times they mention to visit their .fm site |
| 21:15.02 | trigatch4 | want to know the most brilliant one ever? |
| 21:15.30 | trigatch4 | Cameroon has .cm and some millionaire bought the rights to the entire extension |
| 21:15.34 | trigatch4 | .cm is a typo of .com |
| 21:15.38 | f00f- | rofl |
| 21:15.43 | f00f- | that's fucked up |
| 21:15.45 | trigatch4 | so people make a typo and get to a landing page |
| 21:15.48 | trigatch4 | and click on an ad |
| 21:15.51 | trigatch4 | and he gets paid |
| 21:15.53 | trigatch4 | fucking sick |
| 21:16.06 | trigatch4 | go to any regular domain and then .cm and you'll see |
| 21:16.34 | muthu | wow, that might be a bit overboard |
| 21:16.44 | f00f- | ugh |
| 21:16.47 | f00f- | .la Laos (Currently being marketed as the unofficial domain for Los Angeles). |
| 21:16.48 | trigatch4 | overboard? |
| 21:16.52 | f00f- | i've seen that also a few times |
| 21:17.00 | muthu | .com for .cm |
| 21:17.01 | trigatch4 | i bet he is making millions of dollars a year on that .cm stuff |
| 21:17.12 | muthu | really? |
| 21:17.17 | trigatch4 | i saw an article about how he had tripled his investment in like 1 month |
| 21:17.29 | muthu | man.. unbelievable |
| 21:17.33 | trigatch4 | most briliant purchase ever |
| 21:17.43 | trigatch4 | i had a few .la for awhile |
| 21:17.47 | trigatch4 | i have one .sc |
| 21:17.52 | trigatch4 | myrtle-beach.sc |
| 21:17.59 | f00f- | .su former Soviet Union Still in use |
| 21:18.00 | f00f- | wow |
| 21:18.01 | trigatch4 | gonna make a site about myrtle beach, south carolina |
| 21:18.05 | f00f- | they actually got TLD back then |
| 21:18.10 | trigatch4 | even though the hyphen kills it |
| 21:18.11 | f00f- | yeah 80's not surprised |
| 21:18.27 | trigatch4 | i just read that there are officially more .cn domains in use than .nets |
| 21:18.30 | trigatch4 | pretty crazy |
| 21:18.55 | f00f- | check out the xn- TLD's |
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| 21:20.04 | f00f- | heh, www.nic.su times out but the trace comes near: 25 223 ms 319 ms * MSK-KIAE-Relarn-9.relarn.ru [194.226.29.5] |
| 21:20.20 | f00f- | russian version of Internet2/CalREN i guess |
| 21:20.46 | f00f- | .tk Tokelau Also used as a free domain service to the public. |
| 21:20.49 | f00f- | heh i remember that |
| 21:20.54 | f00f- | <whatevr>.tk = free |
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| 21:21.20 | muthu | really, interesting |
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| 21:25.54 | f00f- | heh, i cant believe i'm reading the wikipedia entry for the US |
| 21:26.00 | trigatch4 | some manufacturers need to start announcing (or leaking) their android phones |
| 21:27.05 | f00f- | "The resulting mix of cultures may be characterized as a homogeneous melting pot or as a pluralistic salad bowl in which immigrants and their descendants retain distinctive cultural characteristics." |
| 21:31.58 | trigatch4 | dude... how bored r u |
| 21:39.56 | trigatch4 | and #android is back to library status |
| 21:40.06 | trigatch4 | how short lived the revival was |
| 21:41.15 | jasta | there was no revival. we still aren't talking about Android :P |
| 21:41.34 | jasta | speaking of though, shouldn't f00f and muthu be doing a lot more coding than talking these days? |
| 21:42.36 | f00f- | i haven't started coding android yet :O |
| 21:42.41 | f00f- | major backend stuff going on |
| 21:42.48 | f00f- | making mine a little dumber client |
| 21:43.56 | trigatch4 | why more coding these days? |
| 21:44.37 | trigatch4 | jasta: is your tirade against the evil Android empire finally wearing off or are you still bitter? |
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| 22:06.01 | trigatch4 | zhobbs: you around? |
| 22:07.36 | zhobbs | trigatch4: what's up? |
| 22:11.33 | trigatch4 | you have any analytics type stuff installed on helloandroid? |
| 22:11.40 | zhobbs | yeha |
| 22:12.01 | trigatch4 | curious what type of traffic you're getting ;) |
| 22:12.12 | zhobbs | you first :0 |
| 22:12.46 | trigatch4 | anywhere between 500 and 1500 a day |
| 22:12.54 | trigatch4 | been around 900/day for the past week |
| 22:13.06 | zhobbs | uniques? |
| 22:13.12 | trigatch4 | uhhh lemme check |
| 22:13.56 | f00f- | hobbs give back the money! you can run an android site and win?! :P |
| 22:14.01 | f00f- | *cant |
| 22:14.18 | zhobbs | :) |
| 22:14.32 | trigatch4 | looks like it |
| 22:14.34 | trigatch4 | about that |
| 22:14.38 | trigatch4 | 900 uniques a day or so |
| 22:14.56 | trigatch4 | wondering how i'm doign compared to other android sites |
| 22:15.15 | zhobbs | I get about 500 uniques a day |
| 22:15.19 | trigatch4 | its weird because android hasnt really caught on to the public yet, most people still don't know what android is |
| 22:15.22 | zhobbs | but I haven't been posting much news |
| 22:15.28 | trigatch4 | yeah |
| 22:16.27 | trigatch4 | well, would you entertain the idea of me making a guest post on your site? and you could make a guest post on mine? plug our own websites and try to share some readership/exposure? |
| 22:16.38 | grndslm | only people who know about android are those who read digg/reddit/slashdot/etc |
| 22:16.52 | trigatch4 | grndslm, i'd agree with you there |
| 22:16.59 | trigatch4 | mainstream journalists are still calling it the gphone |
| 22:17.02 | trigatch4 | how retarded |
| 22:17.15 | grndslm | yea, that's the MSM for ya, tho... |
| 22:17.27 | zhobbs | trigatch4: well, not sure about just "guest post", but I'm looking to work out a solution to my lack of news |
| 22:17.37 | grndslm | when is android 1.0 gonna come out? anybody have any insight there? |
| 22:18.31 | f00f- | about 2.5 weeks grndslm |
| 22:18.34 | trigatch4 | i've kind of got my hands full with phandroid as it is, i'm looking for writers over here myself... so i wouldn't be able to write articles for both if thats what you're suggesting |
| 22:18.41 | trigatch4 | grndslm: 4th quarter |
| 22:19.00 | trigatch4 | probably right in time for the holidays |
| 22:20.08 | zhobbs | trigatch4: I was talking to android guys to syndicated some of their news on my site (hand pick certain stories, and they would have a "powered by androidguys" type of logo next to their stories) |
| 22:20.12 | grndslm | oh man, i might have to buy this gigabyte M528 with ubuntu mobile on it ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76NviXg_1g4 ) to tide me over for a "gPhone" |
| 22:21.11 | f00f- | there is no gPhone |
| 22:21.37 | trigatch4 | zhobbs: those guys make me laugh... we got into somewhat of a "flame war" over a few things. i'm not big fans of them but... why do you need permission to run their articles? planetandroid is doing the same thing. |
| 22:22.28 | zhobbs | well, it was going to be a partnership...where they would ask us to write stories for them about technical matters, etc |
| 22:23.00 | zhobbs | they are very non-technical |
| 22:23.16 | trigatch4 | if you did that you would disappoint me severely, they are my interwebz rivals haha |
| 22:23.39 | zhobbs | I met Vicent from androidcommunity.com, he's a real pro |
| 22:23.54 | zhobbs | he had all that IO stuff posted within minutes |
| 22:24.02 | trigatch4 | their site isn't really android anymore... its stupid.... somehow they worked out getting the samsung instinct in advanced and did the most pitiful unboxing on the planet. what a waste of time. |
| 22:24.09 | zhobbs | he owns slashgear.com |
| 22:24.11 | trigatch4 | i bet sprint wishes they could have that handset back |
| 22:24.23 | trigatch4 | yeah, vincent called me the other day |
| 22:24.23 | zhobbs | trigatch4: right, which is why I would hand pick them |
| 22:24.45 | trigatch4 | he also owns phonemag.com, samsungomnina.com, a shitload of different websites mobile oriented |
| 22:25.06 | zhobbs | yeah, he's got a pretty good business going |
| 22:25.21 | trigatch4 | i'm trying to get to where he is |
| 22:25.25 | trigatch4 | thats my goal |
| 22:25.36 | zhobbs | I'm not a very good blogger...which is why after round 2 I'll be getting back to tutorials and improving the app DB |
| 22:25.48 | zhobbs | trigatch4: what other sites do you run? |
| 22:26.10 | trigatch4 | ummm... don't want to disclose all of them |
| 22:26.21 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 22:26.24 | trigatch4 | but my other "big" long-term project is http://MobileRoar.com |
| 22:26.49 | zhobbs | I don't like posting news...I need to find someone that does |
| 22:26.57 | trigatch4 | well |
| 22:26.59 | trigatch4 | the issue there is.. |
| 22:27.09 | trigatch4 | why would someone want to post news on their own site |
| 22:27.09 | zhobbs | and I want the news geared more towards developers also |
| 22:27.12 | trigatch4 | and then rewrite it for you? |
| 22:27.27 | trigatch4 | you and me both |
| 22:27.27 | zhobbs | well, I wouldn't expect that |
| 22:27.57 | zhobbs | I'll just keep pumping tutorials...and when there's "real" news I'll try to cover it |
| 22:28.05 | Dougie187 | hey jasta, you around? |
| 22:28.09 | zhobbs | (and I probably won't do anything until after 7/28) |
| 22:28.23 | trigatch4 | yeah.... i don't see how you could possibly have time to write news AND work onyour stuff |
| 22:28.25 | trigatch4 | thats insane |
| 22:29.48 | zhobbs | trigatch4: currently doing 40 hrs real job + 20 hrs android dev / week |
| 22:30.12 | trigatch4 | gotchya |
| 22:30.53 | Dougie187 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/19/study-finds-that-were-all-arrogant-jerks-can-probably-fix-its/ |
| 22:31.06 | zhobbs | trigatch4: how much money have you made off blogging? |
| 22:31.08 | trigatch4 | yeah i saw that |
| 22:31.20 | trigatch4 | zhobbs... i build websites Full Time |
| 22:31.33 | zhobbs | for clients though right? |
| 22:31.33 | trigatch4 | most of my sites are built using blog technology but aren't blogs per se |
| 22:31.37 | trigatch4 | no for myself |
| 22:31.47 | zhobbs | hm |
| 22:31.52 | zhobbs | you have editors? |
| 22:31.58 | trigatch4 | its only me, man |
| 22:32.01 | trigatch4 | i'm a 1 man team |
| 22:32.23 | zhobbs | so you can pay rent with ad revenue? |
| 22:32.26 | trigatch4 | hopefully by the end of 2008, start of 2009, i'll be able to hire 1 full time programmer and 2 part time content writers/editors |
| 22:32.33 | trigatch4 | yeah i pay the rent with revenue |
| 22:32.40 | zhobbs | cool |
| 22:32.42 | trigatch4 | i do have 1 client currently who i charge 2k a month |
| 22:32.51 | trigatch4 | but that just started in june |
| 22:33.14 | zhobbs | helloandroid.com has made $140 in ad revenue :) |
| 22:33.19 | zhobbs | almost can cover the hosting |
| 22:33.26 | trigatch4 | nice |
| 22:33.28 | zhobbs | well, almost can cover 3 months of hosting |
| 22:33.33 | zhobbs | hah |
| 22:34.21 | trigatch4 | i don't make any money on phandroid really |
| 22:34.25 | trigatch4 | i don't expect to |
| 22:34.39 | trigatch4 | when the phones start getting announced and come out maybe |
| 22:34.40 | zhobbs | helloandroid was just an experiment for me... |
| 22:34.50 | trigatch4 | id say a successful one |
| 22:34.54 | trigatch4 | you do a nice job |
| 22:35.00 | trigatch4 | and it fills a niche |
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| 22:35.06 | trigatch4 | your niche is a bit different than mine |
| 22:35.10 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 22:35.17 | trigatch4 | like you said, you are more for developers i am more for consumers |
| 22:35.38 | trigatch4 | but we'll be competing in one area soon... the application database |
| 22:35.42 | trigatch4 | ;) |
| 22:35.53 | trigatch4 | brb bathroom |
| 22:36.21 | zhobbs | android will probably have a higher developer per capita than iphone |
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| 22:53.11 | trigatch4 | damnit |
| 22:53.16 | trigatch4 | i gotta go to my girlfriends |
| 22:53.22 | trigatch4 | i'll be back in a few hours |
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