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| 00:12.16 | trigatch4 | wow... google broke their silence on the Android Developer's blog to link everyone to the Google IO sessions |
| 00:12.32 | trigatch4 | thats some impressive update! i was all excited and now i'm depressed hehe |
| 00:15.22 | jasta | Romain probably went to Dan and said "What the hell have you guys been doing?" :) |
| 00:15.51 | jasta | trigatch4: oh man, it reads so insincere too! |
| 00:16.08 | trigatch4 | haha |
| 00:16.16 | jasta | and they link just generically to the I/O site, nothing particular to Android is called out |
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| 00:18.23 | jasta | what a joke ;) |
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| 04:58.25 | jasta | about to make my first commit back to five in like a month :) |
| 04:58.45 | jasta | 2 months, actually |
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| 08:09.45 | anno^da | good morning |
| 08:09.54 | anno^da | whats this channel all about ? |
| 08:13.29 | mickrobk | robots and snowsports |
| 08:13.52 | mickrobk | though i suppose if u want to get technical it's about Google's android os for cell phones |
| 08:15.01 | cutmasta | lol |
| 08:17.24 | anno^da | fine :) |
| 08:18.05 | anno^da | mickrobk: Do you know the android framework and could answer me one tiny question? |
| 08:19.28 | mickrobk | i can try :) |
| 08:21.00 | anno^da | It is something about the life cycle and I don't know if I did understand that the right way |
| 08:21.45 | sleepydroid | go on |
| 08:23.47 | anno^da | I know that I have to save the actual state of my application in the onFreeze method but I don't knwo which things I have to save by myself and which things are saved by the super onFreeze method. So let me give an example. I have a gallery that shows me some pictures. Do I have to do something different than calling super.onFreeze(ouState) in order to save the state the Gallery has at the moment the acivity loses focus? |
| 08:24.24 | anno^da | (calling this method in my overwritten onFreeze method) |
| 08:25.02 | anno^da | The thing is I don't get what I have to save by myself and what is done by the system. |
| 08:25.08 | sleepydroid | mick - do you wanna answer or shall I start? |
| 08:25.43 | mickrobk | i could guess but ive never used gallery |
| 08:25.53 | mickrobk | if u know for sure u should answer |
| 08:26.10 | sleepydroid | well - i know for probable - plus there are resources I know |
| 08:26.31 | anno^da | I take everything I get :) |
| 08:27.05 | mickrobk | we can both guess than... |
| 08:27.22 | sleepydroid | onFreeze being called means that android will remember you state and place another activity in the foreground |
| 08:28.00 | sleepydroid | your activity when it comes back to the foreground "should" be exactly as before..... |
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| 08:28.32 | sleepydroid | one sec while I pull up the diagram and then I'll link it here too |
| 08:28.36 | mickrobk | i think gallery is a view, meaning it would have no state information and you would have to save it. Activities on the other hand would rember state. (Ex if you have a map view, you can only place it in a activity that's a subclass of MapActivity, and b/c of that it remebers state) |
| 08:29.37 | anno^da | Hmm but from my point of view a Gallery also has a state. For example if the user has scrolled down ore something like that |
| 08:29.59 | sleepydroid | look at this page and the diagram |
| 08:30.01 | sleepydroid | http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/app/Activity.html |
| 08:30.18 | sleepydroid | then we will talk about where to save state |
| 08:30.29 | anno^da | yeah I know that diagramm |
| 08:30.47 | mickrobk | yea, im not saying that it doesn't have anything worth remebering, but since it's not an activity it does not recieve lifecycle events |
| 08:31.09 | mickrobk | *note* i could be wrong about it just being a view, now im going to go look |
| 08:31.19 | anno^da | Yeah but |
| 08:31.20 | sleepydroid | I save my state in onPause because thats a guarenteed callback |
| 08:31.28 | anno^da | onFreeze documentation says: "The default implementation of this method takes care of saving icicles from any views attached to your window that are configured to do this themselves. If you do not call through to this method, you will need to take care of all state saving yourself. " |
| 08:32.17 | sleepydroid | the problem is when though? |
| 08:32.27 | anno^da | thats it |
| 08:32.31 | sleepydroid | did you watch Dan Morrill's video from I/O |
| 08:32.36 | anno^da | yeah |
| 08:32.37 | anno^da | :) |
| 08:32.40 | sleepydroid | I think it was him that went over it |
| 08:33.54 | sleepydroid | he said (I think) - onPause is guarenteed - onStop and onDestroy are too late - and onFreeze just means you lose visablility (i.e. android will still have your app whole in memory) |
| 08:34.45 | sleepydroid | oh and onStop and onDestroy are not "guarenteed" |
| 08:34.49 | mickrobk | gallery is def a view, so it doesn't have any lifecycle events on it |
| 08:35.00 | mickrobk | so nothing wrt to saving state is done for you |
| 08:36.37 | sleepydroid | yeah but you must have an activity/IR/service which knows about the gallery? and in the onPause callback for that - is where I would "assume" you would need to save the state of the variables (view in this case) that cannot be re-created |
| 08:36.41 | sleepydroid | ? or? |
| 08:37.09 | mickrobk | yea, he would have to save the state of that view himself in onpause or whatever |
| 08:37.38 | anno^da | hmm but why do they write ""The default implementation of this method takes care of saving icicles from any views attached to your window" in the documentation? |
| 08:38.18 | sleepydroid | hmmmm dunno - giz link to the doc you are reading? |
| 08:38.25 | anno^da | http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/app/Activity.html#onFreeze(android.os.Bundle) |
| 08:38.31 | sleepydroid | wait a mo then |
| 08:40.06 | sleepydroid | okay - maybe it is onFreeze! ;-) |
| 08:40.23 | sleepydroid | as opposed to onPause |
| 08:40.38 | anno^da | that's what confused me. And if I have to save the state of a view it would be interesting how.. The easiest thing (that came to my mind) was to save the view in a bundle but thats not possible. Another thing is how could I test the onFreeze method. (just open some new activity?) |
| 08:40.42 | anno^da | haha yeah :-) |
| 08:40.47 | anno^da | state saving is onFreeze |
| 08:41.01 | sleepydroid | how do you test? |
| 08:41.12 | sleepydroid | i mean |
| 08:41.16 | anno^da | and data saving is onPause because it is called before killing the process |
| 08:41.17 | sleepydroid | how do you mean test? |
| 08:41.52 | anno^da | Just to see if my state has been saved. From my point of view it should be enough to start another activity |
| 08:42.19 | sleepydroid | as in a duplicate activity with the old state? |
| 08:42.24 | sleepydroid | or? |
| 08:43.21 | anno^da | yeah should work |
| 08:43.39 | mickrobk | interesting, i guess views do have hooks to save state |
| 08:43.40 | mickrobk | thats cool |
| 08:43.57 | anno^da | yeah thats the way I underrstood that |
| 08:44.30 | anno^da | they just have to mention somewhere what states are saved and what you have to do on your own |
| 08:45.03 | sleepydroid | hmmm - you have to persist anything you create.... |
| 08:45.39 | sleepydroid | if you want it that is |
| 08:45.42 | mickrobk | anno^da: yea i agree, but is it something u can't figure out just by trying |
| 08:46.09 | anno^da | at the moment it is try and error |
| 08:46.19 | sleepydroid | well you could make your app go through the life cycle |
| 08:46.24 | anno^da | yeah it is I just thought I did miss something :) |
| 08:47.05 | mickrobk | i did :), im glad i know about that now |
| 08:47.11 | mickrobk | thx |
| 08:47.23 | sleepydroid | (not sure I helped) |
| 08:47.46 | anno^da | doesn't matter I'm trying some things out now and give you feedback :) |
| 08:47.56 | sleepydroid | qn. How are you persisting those things you wish to save the state of? |
| 08:48.26 | sleepydroid | to date I've used sqLite |
| 08:48.40 | sleepydroid | but it would be interesting to hear what others use |
| 08:49.07 | mickrobk | sleepydroid, if it's super transient, like the name of the file they were working on i just put it in the bundle passed in onFreeze |
| 08:49.22 | mickrobk | else sqlite + files |
| 08:49.56 | anno^da | sleepydroid: I'm just planing at the moment and doing some research for university. I will use a SQLite DB |
| 08:50.08 | mickrobk | what school? |
| 08:50.40 | sleepydroid | and do you "whack" the bundle into sqlite whole? if you get what I mean? |
| 08:50.43 | anno^da | oh a university in Germany :) |
| 08:51.51 | anno^da | what does whack mean. I would save the bundle in the SQLite db. that's what I planned to do :) |
| 08:52.33 | sleepydroid | I suppose I mean "In one movement quickly" - couldn't think of a better word - tried |
| 08:52.43 | sleepydroid | ok - alles klar |
| 08:52.52 | anno^da | haha :) |
| 08:52.58 | anno^da | hätte ich doch gleich fragen sollen :-) |
| 08:53.06 | sleepydroid | yeah go on |
| 08:53.21 | sleepydroid | I went to a uni in germany for a year |
| 08:53.27 | anno^da | ah fine :) |
| 08:53.38 | anno^da | In which town have you been ? |
| 08:53.41 | sleepydroid | KN |
| 08:54.00 | anno^da | ah :) |
| 08:54.08 | sleepydroid | oooh 13 years ago now |
| 08:54.18 | sleepydroid | my german was shit then and worse now ;-) |
| 08:54.32 | sleepydroid | 14 years even |
| 08:54.36 | sleepydroid | *sigh* |
| 08:55.52 | sleepydroid | so which uni are you at? |
| 08:56.39 | anno^da | I'm at FH Deggendorf at the moment studying media technology |
| 08:57.28 | sleepydroid | media? good for you - straight comp sci - is a bit tiresome! |
| 08:58.43 | anno^da | Yeah it has two sides on the one hand it is a bit broad but you get a view from different perspectives. |
| 08:59.03 | anno^da | From producing music videos to programming |
| 08:59.12 | sleepydroid | true - just looked up Deggendorf - near Munchen? |
| 08:59.23 | anno^da | yeah it is |
| 09:00.11 | sleepydroid | I visited M a few times - found it very peaceful - very "rich" in architecture - never went in October thugh :-( |
| 09:01.26 | anno^da | haha yeah the October Fest but for me that I live here it is nothing special. Just some drunken people having party all night long :-) |
| 09:01.55 | sleepydroid | *sounds great* - yes I had heard that the population of M leave for October ;-) |
| 09:02.31 | sleepydroid | okay - I'm gonna toddle off and try and do some work..... |
| 09:02.37 | sleepydroid | laters |
| 09:04.45 | anno^da | have fun and cu later :) |
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| 09:05.11 | anno^da | I'm trying to sqeeze the actvity lifecycle in order to get all the information I need :-) |
| 09:06.02 | sleepydroid | have you seen this? http://blip.tv/file/958450 |
| 09:06.35 | anno^da | No haven't seen that yet |
| 09:07.17 | anno^da | But thank you |
| 09:07.17 | anno^da | I will look at it right now |
| 09:07.18 | anno^da | having watched all the videos from the IO over the last few days :) |
| 09:07.18 | sleepydroid | let me know what you think - took me ages to get the recording right |
| 09:07.30 | sleepydroid | wow yes the IO vids were "hard" being an hour long or so |
| 09:08.00 | anno^da | yeah |
| 09:08.09 | sleepydroid | ok - must dash |
| 09:08.19 | anno^da | I had to write out a lot of things so it took more than one hour for each video |
| 09:08.51 | anno^da | ah you're using Ubuntu |
| 09:08.53 | anno^da | fine :) |
| 09:09.10 | sleepydroid | yeah I have a love/hate relationship with it |
| 09:09.37 | anno^da | haha yeah |
| 09:10.10 | anno^da | at the moment I'm using OSX, it just works better for me with all the media technology applications |
| 09:10.48 | anno^da | but on my second pc I'm running Ubuntu. It is great to see the improvement that has been made through the last years |
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| 09:11.09 | sleepydroid | yeah - from what I've seen it's much better - Ubuntu media stuff is just ... way too hard |
| 09:11.29 | sleepydroid | okay - definately going now - bye - have fun |
| 09:12.40 | anno^da | :) |
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| 12:31.13 | convivial | hi |
| 12:31.23 | convivial | is android actually going to happen? |
| 12:42.44 | convivial | ? |
| 12:42.54 | convivial | is android going to happen? |
| 13:06.27 | anno^da | it is |
| 13:06.37 | anno^da | definetly going to happen |
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| 13:25.15 | trigatch4 | did you really just ask "is android going to happen?" |
| 13:27.07 | anno^da | it seems so :) |
| 13:27.14 | anno^da | whyt shouldn't it happen :D |
| 13:27.17 | anno^da | -t |
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| 14:00.02 | aliass | hi all |
| 14:00.16 | convivial | hi |
| 14:00.22 | aliass | I have a question |
| 14:00.23 | convivial | is android going to really happen? |
| 14:01.04 | aliass | does anybody read me? |
| 14:01.22 | anno^da | convivial: how often would you ask that again ? |
| 14:01.28 | anno^da | we answered that already :) |
| 14:01.29 | convivial | i read you but you didn't say antybhing |
| 14:01.35 | convivial | anno^da: until it is answered! |
| 14:01.46 | anno^da | What would you like to hear :) |
| 14:01.51 | michaelnovakjr | convivial of course it is going to happen |
| 14:01.55 | michaelnovakjr | why wouldn't it? |
| 14:01.58 | convivial | ok. |
| 14:02.00 | anno^da | I will happen. It will happen in Q4 |
| 14:02.02 | anno^da | s008 |
| 14:02.03 | aliass | I want to add a button to the menu (go to, bookmarks...) |
| 14:02.04 | anno^da | 2008 |
| 14:02.22 | michaelnovakjr | aliass, what's your question? |
| 14:02.37 | aliass | how do I add a button to android web browser menu? |
| 14:02.53 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
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| 14:02.56 | aliass | hi |
| 14:03.05 | aliass | I am using WebView |
| 14:03.08 | michaelnovakjr | what do you mean add a button to the menu? |
| 14:03.13 | aliass | well |
| 14:03.29 | aliass | the menu already has a number of buttons: go to, bookmars... |
| 14:03.41 | michaelnovakjr | yes3 |
| 14:03.42 | aliass | I want to add my own button to perform my functionality |
| 14:03.58 | aliass | something like 'my button' |
| 14:04.16 | michaelnovakjr | i am not sure there's an api for modifiying the actual phone browser |
| 14:04.24 | aliass | how can I do that? I am using webview to display web browser |
| 14:04.25 | michaelnovakjr | atleast i hope not |
| 14:04.30 | aliass | I use Webview |
| 14:04.44 | michaelnovakjr | you are using a webview in your own application? |
| 14:04.53 | aliass | yes |
| 14:05.07 | michaelnovakjr | and you want to add a button to your application menu? |
| 14:05.17 | aliass | yes :) |
| 14:05.20 | michaelnovakjr | ah i see |
| 14:05.24 | aliass | easy? |
| 14:05.42 | aliass | if so, how? |
| 14:06.17 | michaelnovakjr | http://code.google.com/android/intro/tutorial-ex1.html |
| 14:06.27 | michaelnovakjr | that is a link to an android tut with menu examples |
| 14:07.39 | aliass | oh, I see |
| 14:08.28 | aliass | I see 'creating and handling' menu options |
| 14:09.46 | michaelnovakjr | yep |
| 14:09.53 | michaelnovakjr | menus are really simple |
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| 14:17.21 | Dougie187 | hows it going michaelnovakjr? |
| 14:17.32 | michaelnovakjr | not bad you? |
| 14:17.46 | Dougie187 | not too bad. you get a lot of names in your composition book this morning on the subway? |
| 14:17.49 | michaelnovakjr | yep |
| 14:17.53 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 14:18.00 | Dougie187 | thats the way to do it. |
| 14:18.02 | michaelnovakjr | check this out www.bigbuckbunny.org |
| 14:18.45 | Dougie187 | wtf |
| 14:18.47 | Dougie187 | what is it? |
| 14:19.02 | michaelnovakjr | its an open source project |
| 14:19.06 | Dougie187 | a game? |
| 14:19.07 | Dougie187 | or what? |
| 14:19.08 | michaelnovakjr | animated movie |
| 14:20.04 | Dougie187 | ... |
| 14:20.28 | michaelnovakjr | its an animated movie created with open source software |
| 14:20.34 | michaelnovakjr | dude like shrek |
| 14:21.44 | Dougie187 | how long is it? |
| 14:22.00 | michaelnovakjr | about 10 minutes |
| 14:22.10 | michaelnovakjr | its awesome |
| 14:22.18 | michaelnovakjr | i am totally impressed |
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| 14:30.39 | Dougie187 | Lol |
| 14:30.47 | Dougie187 | that was pretty funny |
| 14:30.50 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 14:30.57 | Dougie187 | so it was made with blender i take it? |
| 14:30.57 | michaelnovakjr | that was built with Blender |
| 14:31.01 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 14:31.11 | Dougie187 | I didnt know blender was open source. |
| 14:31.42 | Dougie187 | thats pretty cool |
| 14:32.07 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 14:32.11 | michaelnovakjr | its awesome |
| 14:33.52 | Dougie187 | i like how he was a kite at the end. |
| 14:34.18 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
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| 14:37.08 | Dougie187 | you find a new laptop yet? |
| 14:37.38 | michaelnovakjr | unfortunately not |
| 14:37.45 | michaelnovakjr | but my apple has two watchers on ebay! |
| 14:37.56 | michaelnovakjr | i want a 13 inch xps |
| 14:38.50 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 14:38.55 | Dougie187 | whats it up to on ebay? |
| 14:39.07 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 14:39.08 | Dougie187 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/segas-homestar-spa-plane-arium-edition/ |
| 14:39.16 | Dougie187 | not sure if you ever watch south park. |
| 14:39.21 | Dougie187 | if you do, you might get this. |
| 14:41.00 | Dougie187 | sprint's instinct is out too |
| 14:41.01 | Dougie187 | bt |
| 14:41.02 | Dougie187 | btw |
| 14:47.23 | trigatch4 | yeah |
| 14:47.34 | trigatch4 | i can't believe the instinct is only 129.99 |
| 14:47.43 | trigatch4 | thats a steal for the quality of that product |
| 14:57.17 | zhobbs_ | samsung should release an android version of the instinct |
| 15:00.32 | Dougie187 | trigatch4: yeah but thats with a new contract, a mail in rebate, and you have to have a specific plan. |
| 15:00.39 | Dougie187 | but i guess thats comparable to the iphone |
| 15:00.56 | michaelnovakjr | apple is making $325 bucks off att with each iphone purchase |
| 15:01.08 | michaelnovakjr | and that is just for buying the phone |
| 15:01.28 | Dougie187 | and with the 3g one you cant activate it without going to an ATT store. |
| 15:01.38 | Dougie187 | the instinct you can activate it online, or on the phone. |
| 15:01.50 | Dougie187 | brb |
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| 15:05.59 | trigatch4 | the cheapest instinct contract, with unlimited data, is 69.99 |
| 15:06.13 | trigatch4 | 129.99 + 69.99 = $199.98 |
| 15:06.23 | trigatch4 | ONE PENNY less than the iphone |
| 15:06.30 | michaelnovakjr | i pay 70 with sprint for the touch |
| 15:06.31 | trigatch4 | plus you get service |
| 15:06.54 | trigatch4 | i have the verizon voyager |
| 15:07.00 | trigatch4 | there is a voyager 2 coming out for the holidays |
| 15:07.01 | Dougie187 | lol i have a $30/month plan with sprint. |
| 15:07.07 | trigatch4 | that phone with android would be SICK |
| 15:07.10 | Dougie187 | but i dont want to increase that to 70 just for the instinct |
| 15:07.31 | trigatch4 | why would you? |
| 15:07.37 | trigatch4 | you're not going to wait for android phone? |
| 15:07.52 | Dougie187 | no i will |
| 15:07.53 | trigatch4 | no point in buying it now when in the next 6 months there will be an android phone |
| 15:07.56 | Dougie187 | thats why i dont have a new phone now. |
| 15:07.58 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:07.59 | trigatch4 | unless you have multimple phones |
| 15:08.05 | michaelnovakjr | the touch will handle android nicely |
| 15:08.16 | michaelnovakjr | i'm not going to upgrade to an 'android phone' |
| 15:08.18 | Dougie187 | my wife wants a new phone too |
| 15:08.23 | Dougie187 | but we are going to wait for an android phone |
| 15:08.51 | trigatch4 | michaelnovakjr: why not? |
| 15:09.02 | trigatch4 | the revolution will leave you in the dust, my friend |
| 15:09.04 | trigatch4 | hehe ;) |
| 15:09.09 | michaelnovakjr | cause my phone will be good for it |
| 15:09.18 | trigatch4 | ah gotchya |
| 15:09.36 | michaelnovakjr | the touch will run great with android |
| 15:09.43 | Dougie187 | we will, because we havn't bought a new phone in like 3 year |
| 15:09.45 | Dougie187 | years |
| 15:10.18 | Dougie187 | we still have the original katanas. |
| 15:10.19 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:10.25 | trigatch4 | hahahhaha |
| 15:10.30 | trigatch4 | damn dude |
| 15:10.32 | trigatch4 | thats rough |
| 15:10.46 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 15:10.49 | Dougie187 | these things blow too |
| 15:10.55 | trigatch4 | there are some SICK phones coming out |
| 15:11.10 | trigatch4 | i think thats why nobody is announcing android phones |
| 15:11.15 | Dougie187 | yeah i was going to get a BB Pearl a while ago, but i figured id wait for android |
| 15:11.17 | trigatch4 | they want their phones on the market NOW to sell |
| 15:11.27 | trigatch4 | there are a bunch of better blackberries coming out |
| 15:11.31 | trigatch4 | BlackBerry Bold |
| 15:11.34 | trigatch4 | BlackBerry Javelin |
| 15:11.42 | Dougie187 | yeah the bold looks cool |
| 15:11.43 | trigatch4 | BlackBerry Thunder (touch screen) |
| 15:11.53 | trigatch4 | LG Dare touch screen on Verizon is looking really sick |
| 15:11.54 | Dougie187 | but i didnt want a BB because you have to get an extra data plan with sprint for the |
| 15:11.56 | Dougie187 | them* |
| 15:11.58 | trigatch4 | comes out June 26th |
| 15:12.01 | Dougie187 | id rather just get a smart phone |
| 15:12.05 | trigatch4 | word |
| 15:12.35 | Dougie187 | especially since my 30/month plan includes data already |
| 15:12.39 | trigatch4 | Sprint has been rumored to be bought out by T-Mobile like every other month |
| 15:12.44 | Dougie187 | data, text, picture mail. |
| 15:12.46 | trigatch4 | but Android and WiMax are gonna save them |
| 15:12.53 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 15:12.55 | trigatch4 | 2009 is gonna be a good year for sprint i think |
| 15:12.57 | Dougie187 | with clearwire |
| 15:12.59 | Dougie187 | hopefully. |
| 15:13.12 | Dougie187 | their customer service has been slowly getting better as well |
| 15:13.14 | trigatch4 | i'm happy... 3 main wireless providers isnt enough |
| 15:13.15 | trigatch4 | we' |
| 15:13.19 | trigatch4 | we're already down to 4 |
| 15:13.20 | Dougie187 | ive been with them for like 5 years now. |
| 15:13.37 | Dougie187 | and man was their service horrible before. |
| 15:13.48 | Dougie187 | i only stayed because my family is on it, and the cell service was the best i had. |
| 15:13.50 | michaelnovakjr | trigatch4, sprint needs a good year before that :) |
| 15:15.00 | trigatch4 | i live in baltimore and sprint is testing wimax in baltimore before anywhere else |
| 15:15.06 | trigatch4 | in september |
| 15:15.25 | trigatch4 | i wanna call those hoes up and see if i can test it out and review it on my site |
| 15:15.37 | trigatch4 | interviewz |
| 15:18.09 | trigatch4 | should i download 1) N.E.R.D. album or 2) Lil Wayne album? |
| 15:18.20 | trigatch4 | i need something to listen to while i'm working |
| 15:18.23 | michaelnovakjr | coldplay |
| 15:19.30 | michaelnovakjr | whatever you listen to, make it in FLAC! |
| 15:19.38 | michaelnovakjr | its an orgasm for your ears :) |
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| 15:47.37 | carl0s- | What are the changes of Andoid handsets incorporating support for Exchange Activesync, or of some sort of bridge software being created similar to Blackberry Enterprise Server, so users with Exchange mailboxes can have push email on android based handsets? |
| 15:47.43 | carl0s- | s/changes/chances |
| 15:48.25 | carl0s- | (and, probably more importantly, OTA calendar sync) ? |
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| 16:09.50 | trigatch4 | holla holla holla |
| 16:11.34 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:11.44 | Dougie187 | carl0s-: that question probably can't be answered yet. |
| 16:12.13 | Dougie187 | but you can ask romainguy_ |
| 16:12.14 | Dougie187 | he might know. |
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| 16:34.47 | carl0s- | Dougie187, OK. I just read about that Fobwhatsit thing, which sounds like it would provide the bridge, but Exchange ActiveSync by itself works well enough on Symbian devices (hate WM), and apparently iPhone 2.0 too, so it would be a nice (important to me) thing to have. Other than that I can't wait to get my hands on something. I'll be an earlier adopter for sure. |
| 16:35.15 | carl0s- | Funambol |
| 16:35.44 | michaelnovakjr | i wouldn't worry about exchange support |
| 16:35.49 | michaelnovakjr | it'll be there for sure |
| 16:36.00 | carl0s- | michaelnovakjr, As in, it'll be there, or as in it's not important to you? |
| 16:36.00 | carl0s- | ah |
| 16:36.07 | carl0s- | Super. |
| 16:36.30 | michaelnovakjr | its too much of a dependent to not be included |
| 16:36.43 | michaelnovakjr | zimbra support will be there too :) |
| 16:36.47 | carl0s- | I agree. I couldn't beleive the iPhone's didn't have it, but they have/are addressing that. |
| 16:36.58 | michaelnovakjr | iphone is a joke |
| 16:37.05 | michaelnovakjr | doesn't even come with a video camera |
| 16:37.17 | michaelnovakjr | and only 16gb? |
| 16:37.28 | carl0s- | Zimbra have closed themselves off from small businesses! I priced up their thing and it was more expensive than a whole SBS 2003 installation (5 user). That was maybe 8 months ago though. |
| 16:37.29 | michaelnovakjr | i much prefer to support android |
| 16:37.42 | michaelnovakjr | carl0s-, i run Zimbra |
| 16:37.49 | michaelnovakjr | and i don't pay a thing :) |
| 16:38.20 | carl0s- | michaelnovakjr, I'd love to run it too, but it's priced for larger companies and the open source package was too limited (as always with these commercial things that have a "community edition") |
| 16:38.36 | michaelnovakjr | what do you need that the community edition doesn't have? |
| 16:39.08 | carl0s- | can't remember :D. Probably Exchange ActiveSync, Outlook Connector? It was a while ago I looked.. |
| 16:39.31 | michaelnovakjr | any reason for exchange if you have zimbra? |
| 16:39.38 | carl0s- | oh |
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| 16:40.04 | michaelnovakjr | zimbra to me is 100 times better than exchange and pretty much covers everything |
| 16:40.07 | carl0s- | I'm being stupid. Erm, OTA wireless sync with mobile devices is what I meant. I think I was thinking that Zimbra emulated an Exchange ActiveSync server. |
| 16:40.21 | michaelnovakjr | you mean push services? |
| 16:40.24 | carl0s- | yep |
| 16:40.33 | michaelnovakjr | ah, its not that expensive |
| 16:40.41 | michaelnovakjr | i use imap which isn't bad at all |
| 16:41.09 | michaelnovakjr | push is nice, but not entirely useful to everyone |
| 16:41.09 | carl0s- | I am selling the idea of these Nokia E51s with Exchange Servers like pie. It's great, particularly from a calendaring point of view for small companies where the on-the-road guy wants his secretary to see his calendar, be able to amend it, and for it to appear on his phone. |
| 16:41.37 | michaelnovakjr | i do that now :) |
| 16:41.39 | carl0s- | I like it. Read/unread sync, sent sync, calendar sync. |
| 16:41.55 | carl0s- | I'll take another look at Zimbra open source when I get a min then ;) |
| 16:42.02 | michaelnovakjr | its a good idea |
| 16:42.10 | michaelnovakjr | plus you don't have to maintain windows servers |
| 16:42.13 | michaelnovakjr | yuck! |
| 16:42.28 | michaelnovakjr | i have windows servers for domain controlling and file serving |
| 16:42.45 | michaelnovakjr | otherwise its a bsd fleet, with the exception of the centos zimbra setup |
| 16:43.12 | carl0s- | I wholeheartedly look forward to an open source future. I have started by pushing OpenOffice to my clients where possible (where they don't need to work with existing access databases, mail merge from proprietary apps etc), so that they aren't so tied to the windows desktop. |
| 16:43.29 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 16:43.31 | michaelnovakjr | its a big plus |
| 16:43.58 | michaelnovakjr | i support windows systems, because people use them |
| 16:44.09 | michaelnovakjr | and the file serving is nice and simple |
| 16:44.14 | carl0s- | I am on Fedora here, and have been since F8s release, but my job is maintaining windows networks & desktops. |
| 16:44.18 | michaelnovakjr | i can use cifs on linux to talk to the server |
| 16:44.25 | carl0s- | yeh |
| 16:44.42 | michaelnovakjr | i'm on mandriva... wasn't a big fedora fan |
| 16:44.43 | carl0s- | I gotta go. Missus is home. Nice speaking to you :) |
| 16:44.50 | michaelnovakjr | take care |
| 16:44.53 | carl0s- | and you |
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| 16:53.10 | Dougie187 | lol i dont see how anyone is a fedora fan |
| 16:53.21 | Dougie187 | though, if its between centos and fedora i would take fedora hands down. |
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| 17:19.19 | michaelnovakjr | i don't see why you hate centos? |
| 17:19.27 | michaelnovakjr | its a good server system |
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| 17:42.16 | f00f- | hehe |
| 17:42.25 | f00f- | lots of kids run centos in prod |
| 17:42.37 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
| 17:42.48 | f00f- | people that cant choose or dont know better run RHEL in prod |
| 17:43.09 | f00f- | people that have choice usually choose debian |
| 17:43.17 | f00f- | havent heard much about SLES in prod |
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| 17:45.10 | michaelnovakjr | are you saying red hat in production is a joke? |
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| 17:46.22 | f00f- | not a joke per se |
| 17:46.27 | f00f- | usually it's mandated by ISV agreements or somesuch |
| 17:46.37 | f00f- | or some people that learned on something stick with that |
| 17:47.06 | michaelnovakjr | i don't find it to be bad |
| 17:47.13 | michaelnovakjr | zimbra runs nicely on it |
| 17:47.29 | michaelnovakjr | all my other servers are bsd though, so i'm not hardcore red hat :) |
| 17:47.56 | michaelnovakjr | except obviously the windows ones |
| 17:48.06 | f00f- | yeah |
| 17:49.49 | michaelnovakjr | f00f- did you see www.bigbuckbunny.org |
| 17:51.32 | f00f- | interesting. will check it out in a bit. |
| 17:51.37 | f00f- | going for a haircut! bbl |
| 17:51.57 | michaelnovakjr | enjoy! |
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| 17:55.41 | Dougie187 | lol i hate centos a lot because i have to use it on the desktops at work. |
| 17:55.45 | Dougie187 | and it just sucks. |
| 17:55.57 | Dougie187 | all the repos are way behind. |
| 17:56.04 | Dougie187 | hell we dont even have firefox 2.0 on them. |
| 17:56.07 | Dougie187 | we are still using 1.5 |
| 17:56.14 | Dougie187 | but they call that "Stable" |
| 17:57.33 | michaelnovakjr | damn |
| 17:57.56 | michaelnovakjr | now, i wouldn't use it for desktop that is for sure :) |
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| 18:05.21 | grub | hey, any android developers here? |
| 18:05.32 | romainguy | sue |
| 18:05.33 | romainguy | sure |
| 18:06.17 | grub | romainguy, you make apps for android? :) |
| 18:06.22 | romainguy | I make android :) |
| 18:08.04 | grub | well, I wanted to start developing or rather understanding Android. But, my skills aren't really 1337 right now :P. I got my SCJP cert some days ago, if that shows how little i know as of now. What would you suggest? where do i start? |
| 18:10.24 | romainguy | Have you visited http://code.google.com/android/ yet? |
| 18:10.51 | romainguy | You can go visit http://code.google.com/android/intro/index.html which tells you everything you need to get started and teaches you how to write your first app |
| 18:10.53 | grub | yes, actually i am reading up the "hello android" tutorial right now |
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| 18:25.26 | zhobbs_ | grub: do the official tutorial and there's also lots of tutorials at andev.org and some at helloandroid.com |
| 18:25.52 | grub | zhobbs yep just reached andev.org :) |
| 18:25.54 | grub | thanks |
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| 18:37.49 | Dougie187 | lol zhobbs |
| 18:37.53 | Dougie187 | trying to get some more hits? |
| 18:40.18 | grub | :o |
| 18:40.33 | grub | zhobbs runs andev? |
| 18:43.14 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
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| 18:43.26 | michaelnovakjr | when android comes out i'll have androidnerds.com up |
| 18:44.02 | michaelnovakjr | it'll host open source projects for android at no charge |
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| 19:01.10 | f00f- | Dougie187: stable is good =) |
| 19:10.41 | Dougie187 | f00f-: sure, but old and unsupported is not stable |
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| 19:11.56 | M|eric | are here people who are working with the android SDK? ;D |
| 19:12.04 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:12.11 | Dougie187 | not since about a month ago |
| 19:12.36 | M|eric | huh? |
| 19:12.53 | Dougie187 | not since the end of ADC Round 1 |
| 19:13.07 | Dougie187 | before that most people were. |
| 19:13.22 | Dougie187 | after that, most people stopped, until they release a new public SDK |
| 19:13.42 | M|eric | mmh... cause i have some problems... i think the documentation sucks^ |
| 19:13.49 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:13.52 | Dougie187 | let romainguy know. |
| 19:13.52 | michaelnovakjr | whats the problem |
| 19:14.11 | Dougie187 | you sure are nice michaelnovakjr. |
| 19:14.12 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:14.21 | zhobbs_ | M|eric: what's your probs? |
| 19:16.18 | M|eric | isnt there any other documentation? in my documentation it starts with the simple hello world end then with some exercises of far higher level... i mean... i can program java-applications...but i think somethings missing in the documentation... between the hello world and the exercises |
| 19:16.33 | M|eric | and |
| 19:16.37 | zhobbs_ | I disagree |
| 19:16.37 | M|eric | i mean;) |
| 19:16.45 | zhobbs_ | the official tutorial is pretty good |
| 19:16.52 | michaelnovakjr | it is |
| 19:17.05 | M|eric | the tutorial in the documentation? or youtube tutorials from google?^ |
| 19:19.18 | zhobbs_ | in the docs |
| 19:19.20 | M|eric | so you succeeded in the exercises without looking in the solutions? |
| 19:19.31 | michaelnovakjr | yes |
| 19:19.36 | M|eric | sorry for my english^^ im from germany |
| 19:20.12 | zhobbs_ | M|eric: http://code.google.com/android/intro/tutorial.html |
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| 19:27.15 | M|eric | oh lol;D now i know how i can do it.... i was trying for few hours... kk...im off... |
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| 20:17.53 | trigatch4 | michaelnovakjr lies about androidnerds |
| 20:18.11 | trigatch4 | he means to say he will abandon androidnerds and simply begin writing for phandroid starting tomorrow |
| 20:18.18 | trigatch4 | :) |
| 20:26.46 | zhobbs_ | yeah, we don't need another blog |
| 20:27.00 | zhobbs_ | just need better news on helloandroid |
| 20:31.17 | michaelnovakjr | androidnerds is NOT a blog |
| 20:31.56 | michaelnovakjr | its a development community sponsoring promotion of open source applications as well as management for the development teams |
| 20:32.43 | zhobbs_ | cool |
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| 20:39.11 | f00f- | Dougie187: true dat. |
| 20:40.47 | Dougie187 | and.. thats why i hate centos |
| 20:43.10 | f00f- | but then again you dont want something that's too updated |
| 20:43.29 | Dougie187 | but i would rather have something thats at least "up-to-date" |
| 20:43.38 | f00f- | kernel upgrade once a year is the minimum imho |
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| 20:43.45 | Dougie187 | i think i would prefer unstable alpha's then centos |
| 20:43.46 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:43.47 | f00f- | i mean, not more often |
| 20:43.55 | Dougie187 | so you mean maximum |
| 20:43.59 | f00f- | right |
| 20:44.00 | f00f- | =) |
| 20:44.13 | Dougie187 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.19 | f00f- | exactly |
| 20:44.19 | newpers | when will an android phone hit the verizon market? |
| 20:44.27 | f00f- | i only do server environments in production |
| 20:44.29 | f00f- | not desktops :) |
| 20:44.34 | Dougie187 | or something that you dont want to change a lot, like classrooms and systems that you have to administer. |
| 20:44.37 | f00f- | newpers: 2009 or later |
| 20:44.43 | f00f- | yea |
| 20:44.55 | Dougie187 | f00f-: you have heard of phones hitting verizon? |
| 20:45.09 | Dougie187 | ive only heard of tmobile and sprint. |
| 20:45.14 | newpers | same here |
| 20:45.16 | f00f- | sprint hasnt confirmed have they? |
| 20:45.26 | Dougie187 | no, but has tmobile? |
| 20:45.28 | newpers | i heard tmobile |
| 20:45.34 | newpers | i thought so |
| 20:45.35 | Dougie187 | those were the only rumours that i heard. |
| 20:45.36 | f00f- | i've talked to t-mobile, they are definitely going ahead with it |
| 20:45.44 | newpers | when? |
| 20:45.46 | newpers | any ideas |
| 20:45.50 | Dougie187 | i would assume sprint would as well, since they are in OHA |
| 20:45.52 | f00f- | yeah, before the end of the year :) |
| 20:45.57 | Dougie187 | Sprint and Tmobile should be by the end of the year |
| 20:45.59 | Dougie187 | IMO |
| 20:46.07 | Dougie187 | at least one of them will be. |
| 20:46.18 | f00f- | give it 3-4 months |
| 20:46.33 | f00f- | Sprint is in deep shit right now |
| 20:46.37 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 20:46.38 | newpers | heh |
| 20:46.38 | f00f- | not sure if they'll do android for a while |
| 20:46.46 | Dougie187 | i bet they will. |
| 20:46.50 | f00f- | althoug hesse is cleaning up shop, or trying to |
| 20:46.53 | Dougie187 | it would boost their users. |
| 20:47.02 | f00f- | they've lost so many and are still losing |
| 20:47.03 | Dougie187 | especially if it was only tmobile and sprint that had android for a while. |
| 20:47.22 | Dougie187 | sprint lost a lot because they had shitty customer service. |
| 20:47.29 | f00f- | i think android will be the most benefit to T-Mo since they still need a killer device for their 3G network |
| 20:47.34 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
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| 20:47.42 | Dougie187 | yeah they do. |
| 20:47.43 | michaelnovakjr | sprint customer service is horrible |
| 20:47.48 | Dougie187 | and sprint just came out with instinct. |
| 20:47.52 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr: its getting better though. |
| 20:48.00 | Dougie187 | it was quite a lot worse then it is. |
| 20:48.05 | newpers | i'm just happy my contract has expired |
| 20:48.05 | Dougie187 | though, ive givin up calling them |
| 20:48.05 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:48.15 | newpers | i will join the first network to release android |
| 20:48.17 | newpers | phoone |
| 20:48.17 | f00f- | i heard they're moving CS back to the states |
| 20:48.26 | Dougie187 | hopefully. |
| 20:48.36 | Dougie187 | their CS was a bunch of arrogant assholes who wouldnt listen to you. |
| 20:48.41 | f00f- | i love whenever i call ibm/lenovo support, i get some one in the midwest :P |
| 20:48.43 | Dougie187 | even if you told them exactly what was wrong. |
| 20:49.33 | michaelnovakjr | US support is good |
| 20:49.34 | Dougie187 | ive found, if you email sprints ecare department, you get far better customer support. |
| 20:50.47 | Dougie187 | hey michaelnovakjr what kinda plan do you have? |
| 20:51.00 | michaelnovakjr | unlimited data and 450 minutes |
| 20:51.06 | michaelnovakjr | i don't like talking on the phone |
| 20:51.23 | Dougie187 | how much do you pay, if you dont mind me asking. |
| 20:51.43 | newpers | i pay $78 after taxes with verizon for 800 minutes and no data plan |
| 20:51.53 | AttractiveApe | :s |
| 20:51.59 | Dougie187 | yikes. |
| 20:52.03 | newpers | exactly |
| 20:52.05 | michaelnovakjr | i pay roughly 73 a month |
| 20:52.13 | michaelnovakjr | that includes 1000 txt messages |
| 20:52.13 | Dougie187 | check this out michaelnovakjr |
| 20:52.17 | Dougie187 | www.sprint.com/sero |
| 20:52.20 | Dougie187 | login with this |
| 20:52.20 | Dougie187 | savings@sprintemi.com |
| 20:52.33 | michaelnovakjr | cool |
| 20:52.44 | Dougie187 | 30 bucks a line, 500 minutes, unlimited web/data texts and picture mail. |
| 20:52.52 | newpers | does google still have that award for the coolest android app |
| 20:53.04 | Dougie187 | lol yes? |
| 20:53.13 | Dougie187 | ADC1 Round 2 is going on right now. |
| 20:53.22 | newpers | Dougie187: thanks |
| 20:53.23 | newpers | heh |
| 20:53.28 | Dougie187 | the top 5 from ADC Round 1 have to submit in July. |
| 20:53.36 | Dougie187 | ADC2 doesnt start up until a handset is released. |
| 20:54.12 | f00f- | Dougie187: a buddy of mine shared that with me too |
| 20:54.21 | Dougie187 | the sero thing? |
| 20:54.22 | f00f- | but i just won't support non-standards compliant networks |
| 20:54.24 | f00f- | yeah |
| 20:54.31 | Dougie187 | my wife and i have it. |
| 20:54.38 | Dougie187 | and my little brother. |
| 20:54.40 | Dougie187 | its pretty sweet |
| 20:54.47 | f00f- | there's even a sprint developer program that might have a cheaper rate than sero |
| 20:54.57 | f00f- | but you need to be a dev |
| 20:54.58 | Dougie187 | we use to pay like 120 for 550 minutes shared, 300 text messages. |
| 20:55.05 | f00f- | how much do you pay monthly |
| 20:55.15 | Dougie187 | now we pay ~68 after taxes |
| 20:55.51 | f00f- | hmm.. i pay $55 for 450 min, unlimited N&W, 5000 M-to-M |
| 20:55.54 | f00f- | with att |
| 20:56.10 | Dougie187 | afaik you can't get the instinct though. |
| 20:56.11 | f00f- | i send maybe 5 texts a month |
| 20:56.17 | Dougie187 | my wife texts a lot. |
| 20:56.19 | f00f- | i buy unlocked phones |
| 20:56.30 | Dougie187 | we get unlimited M-to-M and unlimited N&W at 7pm |
| 20:56.45 | f00f- | most of my calling i do at night (for android) |
| 20:56.48 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 20:56.49 | f00f- | so i barely touch any of my 450 minutes |
| 20:56.53 | Dougie187 | same here. |
| 20:56.55 | f00f- | and plus rollover, it's insane |
| 20:56.58 | f00f- | i'll never reach the limit |
| 20:56.59 | Dougie187 | they set it up so we share 1000 minutes. |
| 20:57.02 | Dougie187 | heh yeah |
| 20:57.05 | f00f- | yeah sharing is nice |
| 20:57.08 | Dougie187 | you probably have like 2 million minutes. |
| 20:57.11 | f00f- | do oyu pay extra for it? |
| 20:57.14 | Dougie187 | nope. |
| 20:57.19 | Dougie187 | they just set it up that way. |
| 20:57.23 | f00f- | so kinda like a family plan? |
| 20:57.27 | Dougie187 | sortof. |
| 20:57.30 | Dougie187 | but its not supposed to be |
| 20:57.31 | f00f- | add line for $XX per month |
| 20:57.36 | Dougie187 | because each phone has its own plan. |
| 20:57.41 | f00f- | hm ok |
| 20:57.43 | Dougie187 | each plan is 30 bucks a month. |
| 20:57.48 | Dougie187 | sero plans can only be on 1 line. |
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| 20:57.51 | Dougie187 | afaik |
| 20:58.19 | Dougie187 | i was bitchy when my contract ended, because i was paying a ton for a whole lot of crap. |
| 20:58.34 | f00f- | yeah, i can udnerstand |
| 20:58.38 | f00f- | ooh i forgot to add |
| 20:58.42 | f00f- | i get unlimited data too |
| 20:58.44 | Dougie187 | i was paying more for 2 lines then my dad pays for 4 lines and he has more features. |
| 20:58.48 | Dougie187 | yeah. unlimited data is nice. |
| 20:59.03 | Dougie187 | i dont really use it right now, but once i get a smart phone (android) im gonna tether all the time. |
| 20:59.04 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:59.44 | Dougie187 | we were thinking about leaving sprint. |
| 20:59.56 | Dougie187 | but then i found the sero plan. and remembered sprint is in the OHA. |
| 21:00.00 | Dougie187 | so i didnt wanna leave just yet. |
| 21:00.17 | Dougie187 | luckily though, our contract is still up. so we get the discount when we get new phones. |
| 21:01.02 | f00f- | nice |
| 21:01.29 | Dougie187 | do you like ATT? |
| 21:02.01 | f00f- | yeah |
| 21:02.04 | f00f- | i like their forums and online chat |
| 21:02.07 | f00f- | very nice CS |
| 21:02.13 | Dougie187 | heh thats always good. |
| 21:02.22 | Dougie187 | they had shitty covereage where i use to live, so we didnt really even look into att. |
| 21:03.01 | f00f- | i think i get like a 20% a service discount to |
| 21:03.05 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 21:03.09 | Dougie187 | loyality? |
| 21:03.17 | Dougie187 | loyalty* |
| 21:03.20 | f00f- | no |
| 21:03.24 | f00f- | company |
| 21:04.04 | Dougie187 | cool |
| 21:04.10 | f00f- | ORIGINALLY: $39.99 |
| 21:04.10 | f00f- | MONTHLY COST: $30.79 |
| 21:04.35 | f00f- | well it's not on the taxes |
| 21:04.38 | f00f- | so it doesnt help that much |
| 21:04.41 | f00f- | only on the service itself |
| 21:05.31 | f00f- | where you at dougie ? |
| 21:05.51 | Dougie187 | like living? |
| 21:06.03 | f00f- | now in spacetime, and yes where you live |
| 21:06.26 | Dougie187 | well now in spacetime im at land market 152234 on planet 58729. |
| 21:06.29 | Dougie187 | but i live in florida |
| 21:06.32 | Dougie187 | i use to live in oregon |
| 21:06.38 | f00f- | oooh |
| 21:06.43 | Dougie187 | the ATT Cell tower in oregon use to go down all the time. |
| 21:06.49 | f00f- | i think i've mentioned i watch CSI: Miami |
| 21:07.36 | Dougie187 | they would lose coverage for weeks. |
| 21:07.36 | f00f- | oh no |
| 21:07.36 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 21:07.36 | Dougie187 | i watch CSI:Las Vegas |
| 21:07.36 | Dougie187 | and live in Tallahassee. |
| 21:07.36 | Dougie187 | so not Miami |
| 21:07.36 | Dougie187 | your a big Horatio fan? |
| 21:07.40 | f00f- | heh |
| 21:07.45 | f00f- | not in the traditional sense |
| 21:07.50 | f00f- | his moves are just hilarious |
| 21:08.04 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 21:08.08 | f00f- | "We..... have a sinking crime scene" - while putting on his shades |
| 21:08.19 | Dougie187 | do you ever watch The Soup? |
| 21:08.30 | f00f- | no, what's that? |
| 21:08.37 | Dougie187 | its a show that makes fun of other shows. |
| 21:08.40 | Dougie187 | its on E! |
| 21:08.42 | Dougie187 | tonight i believe. |
| 21:09.22 | f00f- | hm okay |
| 21:09.25 | zhobbs | the soup |
| 21:09.40 | zhobbs | that show is good |
| 21:09.58 | Dougie187 | yeah its really funny |
| 21:10.03 | Dougie187 | they make fun of horatio all the time |
| 21:10.14 | Dougie187 | i think its on tonight at like 10 |
| 21:10.16 | Dougie187 | but im not sure |
| 21:10.29 | f00f- | hahaha okay |
| 21:10.31 | f00f- | on E! ? |
| 21:10.46 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 21:10.54 | zhobbs | was "talk soup" back in the day |
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| 21:38.57 | trigatch4 | im bored |
| 21:39.03 | trigatch4 | entertain me, jesters |
| 21:43.02 | trigatch4 | i am growing impatient |
| 21:43.07 | trigatch4 | or is it inpatient? |
| 21:43.19 | trigatch4 | our outpatient... like outpatient surgery |
| 21:49.20 | jasta | impatient |
| 21:54.01 | f00f- | outpatient surgery |
| 21:56.56 | f00f- | ugh not getting any work done |
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| 22:01.08 | jasta | i am ;) |
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| 22:04.21 | trigatch4 | im not |
| 22:04.37 | trigatch4 | i am stuck in a land called procrastination and i can't get the eff out |
| 22:04.41 | trigatch4 | my mind keeps wandering |
| 22:04.53 | f00f- | i know the feeling |
| 22:04.55 | f00f- | it happens a lot on fridays |
| 22:07.07 | jasta | get off irc ;P |
| 22:07.24 | trigatch4 | well |
| 22:07.39 | trigatch4 | i am going to dinner and a movie in like 2 hours |
| 22:07.44 | trigatch4 | and i have to shower and change and stuff |
| 22:07.54 | trigatch4 | so i think i am just giving up on work for the remainder of the day/night |
| 22:13.31 | AttractiveApe | mmm, new update for the Vogue running Android jasta. |
| 22:13.54 | AttractiveApe | he mentions that the phone can charge off of usb now, so I'm intrigued if that means usb negotiation is working. |
| 22:18.13 | jasta | interesting |
| 22:19.20 | AttractiveApe | yeah, it's connecting with rndis |
| 22:19.21 | AttractiveApe | neat. |
| 22:20.54 | jasta | AttractiveApe: according to the patch, he still comments out the hsusb device |
| 22:21.14 | jasta | so either he hasn't updated it yet, or the usb controller is actually not any better supported here... |
| 22:21.43 | jasta | i've went back to working on more practical projects since i dont have the phone |
| 22:22.11 | jasta | right now, i'm fixing up libsyncml to better support client mode so that i can use it for both sides of my project |
| 22:22.20 | jasta | it technically supports client mode, but its just terrible :) |
| 22:22.32 | AttractiveApe | okay jasta |
| 22:22.46 | AttractiveApe | When the sd controller works, I'll be happy to test our your app :) |
| 22:22.54 | AttractiveApe | Any anybody elses, for that matter. |
| 22:24.00 | jasta | i still think it will crash... i think it is crashing for another reason, possibly something to do with my use of content observers... |
| 22:24.14 | jasta | i wanted to get usb working so that i could access the log. |
| 22:24.24 | jasta | and ultimately, a debugger |
| 22:27.23 | AttractiveApe | I wonder how hard it would be to run openssh, and just ssh in... |
| 22:29.33 | jasta | probably impossible. the carrier network is certainly not going to permit that ;) |
| 22:30.02 | jasta | getting alocal shell would also be possible, and pretty simple really |
| 22:30.15 | jasta | however, you'd have to interact with it on that lousy soft keyboard |
| 22:30.19 | jasta | which would be agonizing |
| 22:31.27 | jasta | what i'd do to create a shell is provide a JNI punch through to ioctl and a few other PTY functions |
| 22:31.59 | jasta | then create a real UNIX98 PTY, and lay one of the exsiting VT100 terminal emulator Java libraries on top of that |
| 22:32.09 | jasta | which would create a correct, functional shell. |
| 22:32.30 | jasta | but again, i dont want to use that with a soft keyboard ;) |
| 22:34.49 | AttractiveApe | heh |
| 22:35.14 | AttractiveApe | as for carrier network, it would be pretty easily to reverse tunnel it in. |
| 22:35.28 | AttractiveApe | As for the horrible osk, it's been fixed in the release today. |
| 22:35.29 | jasta | this, btw, would create a much better terminal app than the one romain spoke of as being developed by the android team internally |
| 22:35.34 | AttractiveApe | bit better I'd say. |
| 22:36.00 | jasta | since theirs clearly does not create a UNIX PTY, it just pumps text through bash and outputs the result |
| 22:36.01 | jasta | which is quite different than a terminal |
| 22:36.06 | AttractiveApe | yeah |
| 22:36.11 | jasta | it's still an OSK, and that still makes it bad. even using a hard keybaord on a phone to use a shell would be lame |
| 22:36.35 | jasta | i thought about creating a terminal app just so we'd have one to use on real handsets when they come out |
| 22:36.46 | f00f- | ugh |
| 22:36.50 | f00f- | better only be for developers |
| 22:36.59 | AttractiveApe | Well, it's not like you're going to do heavy work with the osk |
| 22:37.02 | AttractiveApe | just for exploring around. |
| 22:37.11 | jasta | but two thoughts occurred to prevent that work: 1) who cares? we should be able to use adb still, and 2) it would require a JNI component, and so you'd need to build it for all sorts of different platforms conceivably |
| 22:38.27 | jasta | my hope is that real devices will offer convenient features for exploring around. they must, at a minimum, support debugging |
| 22:38.49 | romainguy | "this, btw, would create a much better terminal app than the one romain spoke of as being developed by the android team internally" << first of all, you haven't used it so it's a bit difficult to judge it :), second of all it's not "being developed", it was written so we'd have a least a basic shell on the phone and that's all we need |
| 22:38.49 | jasta | and with that, a shell is not far off even if they don't provide one |
| 22:39.00 | AttractiveApe | I'm just surprised that Google isn't making developer handsets available. |
| 22:39.23 | jasta | romainguy: i don't have to use it to know exactly why it sucks. without a pty, you've got a serial interface to shell scripting. terrible. |
| 22:39.34 | jasta | also, San told me it's terrible. |
| 22:45.02 | jasta | AttractiveApe: i'm surprised by a lot of things going on lately :) |
| 22:50.00 | AttractiveApe | jasta: yeah :( |
| 22:50.18 | AttractiveApe | well, get Five working with Rhythmbox and I'll use that too jasta ;) |
| 23:02.41 | trigatch4 | everything said since i last spoke was 5 notches above my head |
| 23:03.08 | trigatch4 | out of the loop |
| 23:03.39 | f00f- | =] |
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