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| 00:51.34 | jasta | hey phil |
| 00:51.46 | jasta | i really just want to call you malverian hehe |
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| 00:58.24 | f00f- | he just go into work |
| 00:58.28 | f00f- | slackers |
| 00:58.30 | pawalls_ | jasta, :-) |
| 00:59.44 | pawalls | chuckles.. |
| 01:05.04 | jasta | there's a chance i'll be in SF again in August. |
| 01:05.28 | jasta | bringing the whole crew with me too ;) |
| 01:10.00 | duey | riot? |
| 01:15.13 | pawalls | jasta, nice |
| 01:15.21 | pawalls | jasta, You know my number. |
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| 11:10.05 | Hai-Fai | http://www.koreus.com/video/telephone-portable-mais-popcorn.html so, you're mobilephone software developers, toast your brains ;) |
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| 13:45.50 | Dougie187 | he wants me to drive him to jacksonville on the 28th. |
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| 14:53.25 | Dougie187 | i want an android phone. |
| 14:53.32 | Dougie187 | who else wants one? |
| 14:53.32 | Dougie187 | lol |
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| 14:56.20 | michaelnovakjr | haha me! |
| 14:56.27 | michaelnovakjr | i am actually writing for the iPhone at the moment |
| 14:56.54 | michaelnovakjr | the iPhone has full bsd networking underneath obj-c |
| 14:57.03 | michaelnovakjr | c socket programming! |
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| 15:27.46 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: is it still true that you can't run in the background? |
| 15:28.25 | michaelnovakjr | yes |
| 15:28.30 | michaelnovakjr | as far as i know |
| 15:28.37 | michaelnovakjr | i got into the beta last week |
| 15:30.52 | michaelnovakjr | i'm writing an ssh client |
| 15:31.03 | jasta | i really want ssh and irc for android |
| 15:31.07 | jasta | both well written |
| 15:31.29 | AttractiveApe | me too :) |
| 15:31.30 | jasta | i want an ssh client that can run quietly in the background as well, and let you attach into it. |
| 15:31.35 | jasta | err, an irc client i mean |
| 15:31.42 | morrildl | OpenSSH should run in the Terminal app |
| 15:31.53 | morrildl | or did you mean a fancy-pants GUI version? |
| 15:32.06 | jasta | the terminal app, as i've been told, is quite terrible. |
| 15:32.14 | morrildl | eh |
| 15:32.18 | morrildl | who told you that? |
| 15:32.21 | jasta | San |
| 15:32.26 | morrildl | O RLY |
| 15:32.38 | michaelnovakjr | for the iPhone i wrote an ssh client, didn't try to mess with the phone |
| 15:32.41 | jasta | yes, and also it makes sense given that it does not allocate a pty |
| 15:32.44 | morrildl | well, it's no rxvt, but it gets the job done |
| 15:32.47 | jasta | so it probably doesn't support curses, color, etc. |
| 15:33.04 | morrildl | ahh, well true |
| 15:33.08 | jasta | which certainly is not what i'd be willing to live with when i say i want a "good client" :) |
| 15:33.14 | morrildl | if you wanted to play nethack over it, that would not be a great experience :) |
| 15:33.19 | jasta | that said, ssh can be implemented without a local terminal emulator allocating ptys |
| 15:33.23 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, but do you want a Terminal or SSH client? |
| 15:33.27 | jasta | it can allocate ptys on the remote peer, and just support VT100 happily |
| 15:33.31 | michaelnovakjr | yes |
| 15:33.37 | michaelnovakjr | that is what i'm doing with the iPhone |
| 15:33.41 | jasta | so SSH is much easier to implement. no need to punch through to ioctl on the local device. |
| 15:34.58 | michaelnovakjr | indeed |
| 15:35.13 | michaelnovakjr | jasta are you looking for a terminal for android or just an ssh client? |
| 15:35.19 | jasta | just ssh. |
| 15:35.32 | michaelnovakjr | i have plans to write one if no one beats me to it |
| 15:35.41 | jasta | i dont imagine i would ever want a terminal independent of a USB tether to a PC :) |
| 15:35.41 | michaelnovakjr | just need the new sdk to get started :) |
| 15:36.35 | jasta | with SSH, it'd be fun to open my irssi screen :) |
| 15:36.49 | jasta | so i could attach into IRC when i go to the bathroom or whatever hehe. oh yeah, i'm an addict :) |
| 15:36.56 | michaelnovakjr | haha :) |
| 15:37.10 | morrildl | shudders |
| 15:37.19 | michaelnovakjr | i was going to make a multi-protocol chat client |
| 15:37.26 | AttractiveApe | yuk |
| 15:37.30 | michaelnovakjr | aim, yahoo, msn, irc |
| 15:37.35 | AttractiveApe | screen keyboard bindings using a touchscreen? |
| 15:37.40 | jasta | i'm not so sure that a multi-protocol approach actually makes sesne for this platform. |
| 15:37.46 | michaelnovakjr | why not? |
| 15:38.03 | morrildl | always makes a point to flush loudly and make lots of noise when he hears someone talking on the phone in a bathroom |
| 15:38.08 | jasta | well, it almost makes sense to just write separate applications that interoperate through a shared service |
| 15:38.37 | michaelnovakjr | morrildl: haha |
| 15:38.41 | jasta | i dont talk on my phone in the bathroom. first of all, the person on the other end can tell. |
| 15:38.55 | jasta | because they can hear that you are an awkwardly closed space, and the acoustics are all screwed up |
| 15:39.00 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, i figured the UI would be the same for any type of chat |
| 15:39.20 | morrildl | you're endangering other people. didn't you heard about RFC4242, Microfauna Over IP? |
| 15:39.20 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: well, it's not though. IRC, for example, ought not present itself like AIM. |
| 15:39.38 | michaelnovakjr | true, pidgin opens it up like a chatroom |
| 15:39.41 | jasta | bbl, i gotta head to work |
| 15:40.09 | michaelnovakjr | it should be like an aim im though |
| 15:40.25 | michaelnovakjr | that i think is the best way to set it up on a phone |
| 15:40.33 | morrildl | wtf happened to my fonts |
| 15:40.44 | morrildl | this is the bad old days of Linux all over again |
| 15:40.44 | michaelnovakjr | they on vacation? |
| 15:40.53 | morrildl | heh |
| 15:40.55 | morrildl | maybe? |
| 15:41.03 | morrildl | they're definitely cutting corners, slacking off |
| 15:41.16 | michaelnovakjr | what linux distro? |
| 15:41.20 | morrildl | (got a new box, can't figure out why FF isn't antialiasing) |
| 15:41.34 | morrildl | Ubuntu-derived |
| 15:41.39 | michaelnovakjr | FF3? |
| 15:41.42 | morrildl | yeah |
| 15:41.46 | jasta | FF obeys fonts.conf, which is controlled by both GNOME and KDE font settings. |
| 15:41.55 | jasta | so just make sure that in either, hinting is set to high |
| 15:41.58 | morrildl | well, it SHOULD you mean |
| 15:42.09 | jasta | well, depending on how it was compiled, yes. |
| 15:42.29 | morrildl | ...which is what I am wondering |
| 15:42.41 | morrildl | what I didn't say is that it was derived from Dapper |
| 15:42.47 | morrildl | and the stock FF3 won't run on it |
| 15:43.04 | morrildl | so they have a local build against some ancient GTK 2.6 that Dapper runs |
| 15:43.14 | jasta | morrildl: easy way to tell that |
| 15:43.18 | jasta | ldd, look for fontconfig :) |
| 15:43.48 | morrildl | also I should mention that it's some fonts, not all |
| 15:44.17 | jasta | oh, well that's likely to be freetype not compiled with the fuck-patents defines :) |
| 15:44.19 | michaelnovakjr | how come Dapper? |
| 15:44.28 | morrildl | jasta: heh |
| 15:44.45 | jasta | Debian, some time ago, decided that they should not observe US patents that are inconvenient. |
| 15:44.49 | morrildl | michaelnovakjr: because they haven't finished the corp respin on Hardy yet |
| 15:44.50 | jasta | Ubuntu followed ;) |
| 15:45.09 | jasta | to the best of my knowledge, most Linux distros just ignore inconvenient patents ;) |
| 15:45.16 | morrildl | heh |
| 15:45.30 | jasta | of course they claim it's because they aren't actively enforced and yada yada |
| 15:45.38 | jasta | but it's not hard to tell it's really because they are seriously inconvenient :) |
| 15:45.55 | michaelnovakjr | morrildl: ah |
| 15:47.11 | morrildl | on my Eee I just run Hardy |
| 15:47.29 | michaelnovakjr | how do you like the Eee |
| 15:48.05 | morrildl | I ran Eeedora for a while (because I hate .deb as a packaging format, and am a Red Hat guy of the 0ld sk00l) but I have had to admit that basically Fedora is just over now. It's all about Ubuntu |
| 15:48.51 | morrildl | michaelnovakjr: it's fun :) I can't hack on it, though |
| 15:49.01 | morrildl | It's pretty nice to carry around the house & stuff |
| 15:49.05 | michaelnovakjr | nice |
| 15:49.09 | michaelnovakjr | I am using Mandriva |
| 15:49.17 | michaelnovakjr | i dual booted it on my macbook pro |
| 15:51.29 | morrildl | heh, nice |
| 15:51.34 | morrildl | brb |
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| 15:52.45 | jasta | i was initially a redhat guy |
| 15:53.00 | jasta | but i switched to debian just a couple of years after that |
| 15:53.07 | michaelnovakjr | i like mandriva... it has worked out of the box on everything i put it on |
| 15:57.29 | jasta | i'm going on a kayaking tour of the san juan islands for my birthday this weekend :) |
| 15:57.49 | jasta | 2 day trip, stopping off at the tour guide companies private island for camping the first night |
| 15:57.52 | jasta | pretty sweet :) |
| 15:58.27 | michaelnovakjr | nice! |
| 15:59.01 | jasta | company's* |
| 15:59.06 | jasta | yeah, im excited |
| 15:59.17 | jasta | i leave for the islands tonight, start kayaking tomorrow morning |
| 15:59.50 | michaelnovakjr | that's awesome |
| 15:59.54 | michaelnovakjr | kayaking is fun |
| 16:00.18 | jasta | ive never really done it |
| 16:00.49 | michaelnovakjr | its definitely fun |
| 16:01.49 | jasta | i once canoed 3 miles in the puget sound at midnight, though. |
| 16:02.16 | jasta | to blake island: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=blake+island&sll=47.67502,-122.300524&sspn=0.006516,0.011523&ie=UTF8&ll=47.552896,-122.513008&spn=0.104502,0.184364&z=12&iwloc=addr |
| 16:02.38 | jasta | that was probably one of the most absurdly dangerous things ive ever done |
| 16:02.46 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 16:02.50 | jasta | there's a ferry line that runs through there, and the last boat runs 45 minutes after we launched. |
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| 17:04.11 | jasta | http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/msg/be2930538d39eff9 |
| 17:04.12 | jasta | interesting |
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| 17:18.07 | michaelnovakjr | so wifi is not in the first release huh |
| 17:18.37 | jasta | http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/5/some_android_apps_that_didn_t_win_the_developer_challenge_goog_ |
| 17:18.44 | jasta | interesting, i didnt see that get posted |
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| 17:19.03 | jasta | got a bunch of referrers from there on my google code page |
| 17:20.43 | michaelnovakjr | nice, you've got a high listing |
| 17:25.58 | jasta | http://www.hometheaternetwork.com/autoHTN.php -- that app looks nice and practical too |
| 17:26.19 | muthu | yeah, the home control app - that looked sleek and useful |
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| 17:28.54 | jasta | i'd like to see an app like bemused come out. |
| 17:29.21 | jasta | but is layered above the transport, so it could work over Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, GPRS/EDGE/UMTS, etc. |
| 17:30.10 | muthu | wow, a shoe based phone |
| 17:30.12 | muthu | that would be cool |
| 17:30.20 | jasta | what? |
| 17:30.45 | muthu | a phone in your shoe |
| 17:30.53 | jasta | right, where'd you see that? |
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| 17:30.57 | muthu | with accelrometer and stuff |
| 17:31.44 | muthu | http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/t/c600d8fe1145113f |
| 17:34.27 | muthu | http://tech.nocr.at/tech/google-employees-get-special-toilets/ |
| 17:34.29 | muthu | woah |
| 17:34.38 | muthu | how spoiled are those folks ;) |
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| 17:40.26 | romainguy_ | yeah the toilets are pretty weird at Google |
| 17:42.55 | jasta | what, really? |
| 17:43.26 | romainguy_ | yeah, with the remote to adjust the water spray (pressure, temperature) and the seat (temperature) |
| 17:46.15 | jasta | you've gotta be kidding me |
| 17:46.31 | romainguy_ | no |
| 17:46.42 | romainguy_ | the link muthu posted shows the remote |
| 17:46.44 | jasta | that is so utterly ridiculous |
| 17:47.03 | romainguy_ | yes but a warm seat is actually nice :) |
| 17:49.36 | muthu | i would rather prefer a regular one |
| 17:50.04 | muthu | romainguy_: is every one of them like that? |
| 17:50.16 | romainguy_ | no, not all of them |
| 17:50.21 | romainguy_ | depends on the building |
| 17:50.32 | muthu | ok, then it should be fine |
| 17:51.30 | muthu | romainguy_: any plan on a India developer day? |
| 17:51.38 | romainguy_ | I have no idea |
| 17:51.42 | muthu | come over to chennai, i'll show you around |
| 17:51.45 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:51.47 | romainguy_ | I'd love to |
| 17:51.52 | Dougie187 | he will introduce you to all the hookers. |
| 17:51.57 | Dougie187 | ;) |
| 17:52.02 | muthu | Dougie187: grow up dude |
| 17:52.08 | Dougie187 | im kidding. |
| 17:52.08 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:52.14 | AttractiveApe | I thought it was funny :/ |
| 17:52.19 | Dougie187 | i heard something about some place in india on conan the other day |
| 17:52.28 | muthu | oh yeah, there's all kind of places |
| 17:52.31 | muthu | you get everything |
| 17:52.54 | muthu | just like any other place in the world |
| 17:53.09 | Dougie187 | Some guy was saying, "Come here and Ill show you to all the ladies!" |
| 17:53.17 | Dougie187 | "oh wait, your married? maybe not then" |
| 17:53.30 | muthu | there's this infamous red light district |
| 17:54.10 | muthu | an india trip would clean your soul |
| 17:54.21 | dmoffett | Man I need that. |
| 17:54.26 | jasta | but dirty every other part of you :) |
| 17:54.26 | muthu | then when you get back you'll start appreciating your life and family more than ever |
| 17:54.30 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:54.35 | muthu | true, its dirty |
| 17:54.40 | muthu | and chaotic |
| 17:54.44 | muthu | that's the beauty of it |
| 17:54.44 | Dougie187 | your soul might be clean, but your junk will have every std imaginary. |
| 17:54.54 | muthu | haha |
| 17:55.02 | muthu | i'm saying come on a visit |
| 17:55.08 | muthu | then run away after a while |
| 17:55.11 | muthu | :) |
| 17:55.14 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:55.21 | Dougie187 | Do you belly dance muthu? |
| 17:55.34 | dmoffett | Let's hope not. |
| 17:55.42 | Dougie187 | hes not a bad looking fellow. |
| 17:56.01 | muthu | hehe |
| 17:56.03 | dmoffett | I guess if you are into that kind of thing. |
| 17:56.25 | Dougie187 | maybe his wife is. |
| 17:56.32 | jasta | there are a few places in the world that i honestly don't believe i'll ever willingly go |
| 17:56.42 | dmoffett | Of course he has stayed in SF quite a while. |
| 17:56.42 | jasta | Mexico and India are both on that list. |
| 17:57.01 | jasta | i've heard so many horror stories of friends going to india and it being just miserable. |
| 17:57.02 | muthu | jasta: that's why you would never grow up |
| 17:57.31 | dmoffett | I am pretty sure Jasta does not want to grow up. :-) |
| 17:57.37 | Dougie187 | lol i dont. |
| 17:57.43 | Dougie187 | growing up is for losers. |
| 17:57.44 | muthu | lol, yeah Dougie187 too |
| 17:57.54 | muthu | Dougie187: and jasta: they are some pair! |
| 17:58.05 | jasta | every person i know going to India was sick for a week |
| 17:58.06 | Dougie187 | in opposite corners of the US |
| 17:58.20 | Dougie187 | just make yourself an iron stomach |
| 17:58.32 | jasta | and 2 of my female friends that have gone reported being repeatedly groped on public transit and in crowded lines |
| 17:58.32 | Dougie187 | Doesnt india have that river... |
| 17:58.35 | Dougie187 | that people bathe in? |
| 17:58.45 | muthu | lol |
| 17:59.02 | muthu | Dougie187: you mean we all bathe in a river? |
| 17:59.05 | muthu | haha |
| 17:59.12 | muthu | India is diverse man |
| 17:59.14 | Dougie187 | no, there was some famour river. |
| 17:59.16 | muthu | you see all extremes |
| 17:59.19 | Dougie187 | famous river. |
| 17:59.22 | Dougie187 | and people bathe in it. |
| 17:59.25 | Dougie187 | in this big city. |
| 17:59.30 | jasta | muthu: the extremes of human behaviour would make for a very unwelcoming place. |
| 17:59.37 | Dougie187 | but its like the dirtest river in the world as well. |
| 17:59.41 | Dougie187 | it has sewage in it and stuff. |
| 17:59.57 | muthu | jasta: agree, its not fully developed and civilized |
| 17:59.59 | muthu | that's the fact |
| 18:00.04 | jasta | what's the attraction, even? |
| 18:00.05 | Dougie187 | so people bathe in poop... |
| 18:00.13 | Dougie187 | i thought it was in india. |
| 18:00.14 | Dougie187 | but im not sure. |
| 18:00.25 | Dougie187 | i heard about it a long time ago. |
| 18:00.29 | muthu | jasta: the attraction is to experience the opposites |
| 18:00.34 | jasta | there are lots of places in southeast asia for example that are horrible and undeveloped, but still have a lot of natural beauty and charm. india has...? :) |
| 18:00.41 | muthu | what? |
| 18:00.51 | muthu | india has the most beautiful places in the world |
| 18:01.06 | muthu | visit kerela |
| 18:01.07 | muthu | goa |
| 18:01.21 | muthu | everystate has its own magical charms |
| 18:01.30 | muthu | and its not stereotyped like here |
| 18:01.48 | muthu | as i told you before, even i am a foreigner in india |
| 18:02.25 | jasta | i remain unconvinced. |
| 18:02.29 | jasta | i hear you, it just sounds awful. |
| 18:02.34 | jasta | where you believe it is great. |
| 18:02.39 | muthu | its not for everyone |
| 18:02.41 | jasta | Mexico and India, I'm telling you :) |
| 18:02.50 | jasta | sucky, miserable places |
| 18:02.52 | muthu | jasta: you'll be safe here.. don't leave |
| 18:03.03 | Dougie187 | Mexcio doesnt sound great. |
| 18:03.13 | jasta | i've got tentative plans for Thailand in 2009 |
| 18:03.14 | Dougie187 | Only if you want cheap booze. |
| 18:03.17 | jasta | now that will be fun |
| 18:03.21 | dmoffett | Jasta: you said the same about Utah, Have you traveled outsite your home town? |
| 18:03.25 | Dougie187 | I hear Thailand is nice. |
| 18:03.40 | jasta | dmoffett: Yes, many times. I've been to quite a few places in the US and Canada. |
| 18:03.46 | muthu | Utah is a beautiful place |
| 18:03.47 | Dougie187 | dmoffett: but seriously... Utah doesnt have anything. thats like saying you want to go to Wyoming |
| 18:04.06 | dmoffett | Really? |
| 18:04.07 | Dougie187 | Both places are incredibly lame. |
| 18:04.08 | jasta | Utah has a general religious climate that is very unwelcoming, as well. |
| 18:04.08 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 18:04.15 | dmoffett | How bout Lake Powell? |
| 18:04.26 | dmoffett | Zion National Park? |
| 18:04.28 | Dougie187 | there are nice lakes almost anywhere. |
| 18:04.32 | dmoffett | Arches Nation Park? |
| 18:04.41 | muthu | I would love to go to Utah |
| 18:04.43 | dmoffett | Canyon lands Nation Park? |
| 18:04.43 | Dougie187 | I havent been to those national parks. but what is awesome in them? |
| 18:04.47 | muthu | looks like a fabulous place |
| 18:04.53 | dmoffett | Look it up on the internet. |
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| 18:05.01 | dmoffett | Moab Utah? |
| 18:05.07 | Dougie187 | muthu: I would say, you can see any of the benefits of Utah in other states. that have better things in them as well. |
| 18:05.08 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:05.17 | dmoffett | Mountian biking mecca? |
| 18:05.18 | muthu | Dougie187: no |
| 18:05.20 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:05.27 | Dougie187 | no? |
| 18:05.30 | Dougie187 | but you havent been there? |
| 18:05.44 | dmoffett | Snowbird Utah |
| 18:05.47 | muthu | i would love to |
| 18:05.49 | dmoffett | Alta, |
| 18:05.52 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:05.53 | jasta | I'm not going to claim that there isn't charm to be found everywhere. |
| 18:06.01 | muthu | wow.. the utah list keeps growing |
| 18:06.01 | dmoffett | Some of the best skiing in the world. |
| 18:06.07 | jasta | But there's a reason why the population desnity is miserably low in these places. |
| 18:06.11 | jasta | Apart from their niches, there is nothing. |
| 18:06.20 | Dougie187 | jasta: im not claiming that either, im just saying that the charms there can be found anywhere in that area. |
| 18:06.23 | dmoffett | Driest powder known. |
| 18:06.26 | muthu | jasta: population? come on! |
| 18:06.29 | jasta | Backwards social problems are more prominent than natural beauty :) |
| 18:06.46 | muthu | social problems are everywhere |
| 18:06.47 | dmoffett | Give me a break. |
| 18:06.51 | muthu | you can't run and hide from them |
| 18:07.05 | Dougie187 | dmoffett: afaik Aspen is more well know for skiing then Utah |
| 18:07.09 | jasta | muthu: I'm talking about a very particular kind in Utah :) |
| 18:07.21 | muthu | jasta: what's that? |
| 18:07.29 | jasta | Extremely severe religious intolerance |
| 18:07.38 | dmoffett | That is bullshit. |
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| 18:07.46 | dmoffett | Mormans are fine. |
| 18:07.54 | dmoffett | I deal with them all the time. |
| 18:07.57 | jasta | Hehe, is it? My mom's girlfriend is mormon. |
| 18:08.00 | Dougie187 | ... not fundamentalist mormons. |
| 18:08.03 | jasta | Lived her entire life in Utah |
| 18:08.21 | jasta | And her family won't speka to her, and she's excommunicated from the churhc. Her friends told her never to return. |
| 18:08.23 | Dougie187 | but fundamentalist anythings arnt good. |
| 18:08.26 | jasta | Sooooooo :) |
| 18:08.29 | dmoffett | There are crazy people in any religion. |
| 18:08.38 | muthu | right |
| 18:08.39 | Dougie187 | Like that community in texas. |
| 18:08.43 | muthu | crazy people are everywhere |
| 18:08.50 | dmoffett | That like saying I know this guy Jasta and all nerds are assholes. |
| 18:08.53 | jasta | dmoffett: Yes, and they are well concentrated in Utah :) |
| 18:08.58 | muthu | lol |
| 18:09.38 | jasta | Also, we have an office in Meridian, ID that I've visited several times. That place scares the hell out of me. |
| 18:09.45 | muthu | commenting about something without experiencing firsthand is plain wrong |
| 18:10.00 | Dougie187 | ... muthu, ive been to utah. |
| 18:10.16 | muthu | how long Dougie187? |
| 18:10.17 | dmoffett | I bet you have met many mormans and did not know it. |
| 18:10.27 | Dougie187 | well i was there for a week just last year. |
| 18:10.31 | Dougie187 | and ive driven through it many times. |
| 18:10.37 | jasta | dmoffett: Only because I didn't say anything but "howdy" :) |
| 18:10.43 | muthu | a week is not enough |
| 18:10.52 | muthu | to understand people and culture |
| 18:10.53 | Dougie187 | lol, sorry i didnt have a month to waste. |
| 18:10.58 | muthu | hehe |
| 18:11.02 | dmoffett | Just like any group of people they have freaks. |
| 18:11.05 | Dougie187 | muthu, in the us, you dont need to study the people and culture. |
| 18:11.24 | muthu | Dougie187: In US there are different kinds of people and culture |
| 18:11.29 | Dougie187 | yes, |
| 18:11.34 | Dougie187 | but you dont need to study them. |
| 18:11.43 | Dougie187 | especially if thats not what you are interested in. |
| 18:11.55 | muthu | that shows you don't have a clue about people |
| 18:11.59 | jasta | I appreciate what you both are trying to say, I just simply don't agree that these subcultures are being represented by their "crazy" outliars. |
| 18:12.00 | muthu | and you are generally prejudiced |
| 18:12.00 | Dougie187 | ... |
| 18:12.08 | jasta | I believe, in fact, that the generalized stereotypes have significant merit. |
| 18:12.22 | jasta | And I've seen them manifested enough times to reasonably operate on that belief. |
| 18:12.23 | Dougie187 | like rednecks in the south. |
| 18:12.45 | jasta | Yes, if you're in Texas, don't go around blabbing about your gay friends and how much you like Barack Obama, for example. |
| 18:12.56 | jasta | If you're in Seattle, don't do the opposite :) |
| 18:13.06 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 18:13.18 | jasta | It's because the manifestations of these stereotypes are real, and common. |
| 18:13.20 | Dougie187 | hell theres this segragated town about an hour north of me. |
| 18:13.21 | Kraln | you know |
| 18:13.23 | jasta | And there is reason to act on that. |
| 18:13.24 | Kraln | in austin |
| 18:13.28 | Kraln | that's just not true |
| 18:13.50 | Dougie187 | muthu: go to the northeast |
| 18:13.51 | muthu | jasta: you can't just say texas |
| 18:13.55 | Dougie187 | go visit new england. |
| 18:14.03 | Dougie187 | and pennsylvania |
| 18:14.05 | muthu | i've met a lot of great people in texas |
| 18:14.13 | muthu | the nicest people i've ever met are in houston |
| 18:14.16 | muthu | where i lived for sometime |
| 18:14.21 | jasta | muthu: Yes, I can. Because I didn't say all Texans are something, I said that you just should think about where you are, and what stereotypes surround you. |
| 18:14.28 | Dougie187 | i find that incredibly hard to believe muthu |
| 18:14.34 | jasta | And don't go around advertising contentious ideas that are likely to offend in that area. |
| 18:14.35 | muthu | Dougie187: that's true |
| 18:14.48 | Dougie187 | noone in texas was incredibly nice when i was there. |
| 18:14.50 | muthu | compare to the bayareans here.. i would say the texans are great! |
| 18:14.55 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:14.59 | Dougie187 | your in a big city. |
| 18:15.06 | Dougie187 | i guess if you compare big cities. |
| 18:15.19 | Dougie187 | and SF people are generally not known for their friendlyness. |
| 18:15.32 | muthu | SF is strange, isolated and alone |
| 18:15.43 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:15.52 | Dougie187 | i like how our conversations are always arguments over places. |
| 18:16.13 | muthu | different locations, different people, different culture |
| 18:16.15 | muthu | that's the point |
| 18:16.23 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 18:16.36 | Dougie187 | but you hardly ever go visit somehere because of the people |
| 18:16.39 | Dougie187 | its usually the locations |
| 18:16.43 | muthu | yes, you do |
| 18:16.43 | Dougie187 | you want to see something |
| 18:16.49 | Dougie187 | not experience the people. |
| 18:16.53 | muthu | its a combination |
| 18:16.57 | muthu | which wins |
| 18:16.58 | Dougie187 | i disagree |
| 18:17.09 | Dougie187 | i have never gone on a vacation to hang out with locals. |
| 18:17.17 | dmoffett | I think a lot of people visit Thailand for the people. |
| 18:17.37 | dmoffett | At least that is what I hear. :-) |
| 18:17.44 | muthu | oh yeah |
| 18:17.50 | Dougie187 | i would think that would happen after they go there first to visit the country. |
| 18:18.02 | Dougie187 | ive never heard of anyone going to thailand for the people to begin with |
| 18:18.05 | Dougie187 | but they go back for the people |
| 18:18.19 | muthu | that's why its places + people |
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| 18:18.35 | Dougie187 | lol i feel like your grasping |
| 18:18.41 | muthu | weight them both, and you would be wiser |
| 18:18.46 | muthu | pure location is bullshit |
| 18:19.14 | dmoffett | Dougie187: it was a joke. Thailand is know for sex tours. However, I don;t have first hand experience. |
| 18:20.18 | muthu | so anyone visit chennai, let me know |
| 18:20.51 | dmoffett | will do |
| 18:21.22 | muthu | cool |
| 18:22.08 | Dougie187 | lol dmoffett you mean, you have never heard of people going to Thailand for people? |
| 18:22.44 | dmoffett | Can't say that I really know anyone that has been to Thailand. |
| 18:22.49 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:22.49 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 18:22.55 | Dougie187 | i had mormon friends who went |
| 18:22.57 | Dougie187 | first on a mission. |
| 18:23.04 | Dougie187 | but then moved there because of the people |
| 18:23.09 | dmoffett | Cool |
| 18:24.41 | muthu | http://www.flickr.com/photos/barackobamadotcom/2616114282/ |
| 18:26.39 | Dougie187 | the funny part about the us. |
| 18:26.51 | Dougie187 | is most of the time the stereotypes are right for cultures |
| 18:27.09 | Dougie187 | they might not be as extreme as the stereotypes. |
| 18:27.15 | muthu | look outside the stereotypes |
| 18:27.20 | muthu | stereotypes are for dummies |
| 18:27.27 | Dougie187 | how many places have you been in the US muthu? |
| 18:27.47 | muthu | a few |
| 18:27.53 | Dougie187 | like 4? |
| 18:28.12 | muthu | more than that |
| 18:28.16 | Dougie187 | like 10? |
| 18:28.26 | muthu | yeah, what's the point? |
| 18:28.53 | Dougie187 | well you just keep talking like you know a lot about the people in the US |
| 18:29.16 | muthu | nope, i just said keep your minds open |
| 18:29.27 | Dougie187 | my mind is open, but its not what im looking for. |
| 18:29.31 | Dougie187 | i dont care how the people act anywhere. |
| 18:29.42 | muthu | and don't believe the stereotypes, that you hear from the media |
| 18:29.42 | Dougie187 | thats not important to me. |
| 18:29.51 | muthu | for example |
| 18:29.52 | Dougie187 | lol, its not what you hear from the media. |
| 18:29.52 | muthu | India |
| 18:30.11 | muthu | people would go into this stupid little stereotype that had been created by the media |
| 18:30.22 | Dougie187 | i dont even have a stereotype for india. |
| 18:30.23 | muthu | look outside that |
| 18:30.24 | Dougie187 | actually |
| 18:30.35 | Dougie187 | i dont know what indian people are like. |
| 18:30.50 | muthu | as david was saying, freaks are everywhere |
| 18:30.51 | Dougie187 | i think the only stereotype that I have ever heard actually, is that a lof of them have call center jobs. |
| 18:31.08 | Dougie187 | they get our outsourced tech-support work. |
| 18:31.16 | Dougie187 | i think thats the only stereotype ive heard. |
| 18:31.43 | muthu | that's what i said, there more to a place than stereotypes |
| 18:32.02 | Dougie187 | especially since this stereotype is about work. |
| 18:32.07 | Dougie187 | that doesnt tell you anything about the place. |
| 18:32.18 | Dougie187 | but im saying, stereotypes aren't what would keep me from going somewhere. |
| 18:32.35 | Dougie187 | granted, if the stereotype is that my wife would get groped by everyone, i can almost gaurentee that i would never go there with her. |
| 18:32.48 | Dougie187 | unless murder is legal there. |
| 18:32.51 | muthu | that's not true |
| 18:33.07 | Dougie187 | but for me its enough that one person has had that experience. |
| 18:33.16 | Dougie187 | i wouldnt want to subject my wife to that. |
| 18:33.25 | muthu | i can understand |
| 18:33.30 | muthu | but that's not common |
| 18:33.47 | Dougie187 | but i bet you could tell the person that it happened to that same thing and she would never go back still. |
| 18:33.55 | Dougie187 | and i thought last time we had this conversation about that you said it does happen. |
| 18:34.36 | muthu | its like saying, i'll be mobbed if i walk downtown pretty late.. |
| 18:34.52 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:34.58 | muthu | you can have bad experiences anywhere |
| 18:35.08 | Dougie187 | or like saying you will run into a scary ass homeless person on the subway |
| 18:35.18 | muthu | right |
| 18:35.24 | Dougie187 | but that happens all the time. |
| 18:35.27 | muthu | its everywhere around |
| 18:35.36 | Dougie187 | i dont know a statistic on getting mobbed though |
| 18:35.41 | muthu | being informed when we go to a new place, is the wise thing to do |
| 18:35.45 | Dougie187 | yeah, and those are things i try to avoid. |
| 18:36.03 | muthu | when bill gates, to guy kawasaki, to seth godin to all of the billionaries can visit india |
| 18:36.06 | muthu | what's the problem? |
| 18:37.00 | muthu | and then here's this Dougie187 and jasta who say, Bill gates is stupid for visiting india |
| 18:37.02 | muthu | lol |
| 18:37.11 | Dougie187 | lol i never said that. |
| 18:37.19 | Dougie187 | i never said anyone was stupid for visiting india. |
| 18:37.24 | Dougie187 | if people want to visit india go for it. |
| 18:37.25 | Dougie187 | i dont care. |
| 18:37.29 | Dougie187 | im just saying i probably wont. |
| 18:37.44 | muthu | cool, but all i say is good and bad exists everywhere |
| 18:38.18 | Dougie187 | yeah i understand that. |
| 18:38.33 | Dougie187 | and i avoid as much bad as i can |
| 18:38.34 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:39.17 | muthu | yeah, that's what everyone does |
| 18:41.01 | muthu | people are the same all over the world |
| 18:41.13 | muthu | that's the truth |
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| 18:47.37 | Dougie187 | So you guys got awesome plans for this weekend? |
| 18:50.30 | muthu | oh yeah |
| 18:50.46 | muthu | my plan is to packup and leave :) |
| 18:50.55 | Dougie187 | oh yeah your out of here soon |
| 18:50.58 | Dougie187 | you excited? |
| 18:51.12 | muthu | big time |
| 18:51.18 | muthu | can't wait to see my family back home |
| 18:51.23 | Dougie187 | lol you ever going to go on a month trip again? |
| 18:51.45 | muthu | there's no place like home! |
| 18:51.45 | muthu | Dougie187: nope, 15 days is just right |
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| 18:51.54 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 18:52.12 | muthu | if its a month trip, it will be with my family |
| 18:52.38 | muthu | need to do some shopping today |
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| 19:35.03 | jasta | muthu: i'm going kayaking around the san juan islands this weekend |
| 19:35.12 | jasta | its my birthday present from my girl |
| 19:35.14 | muthu | wow! |
| 19:35.25 | muthu | you have a great girlfriend then.. |
| 19:35.44 | muthu | have fun |
| 19:36.31 | jasta | 2 full days, camping on the expedition company's island |
| 19:36.37 | jasta | im stoked |
| 19:36.54 | muthu | jasta: get married :) |
| 19:36.58 | michaelnovakjr | ha |
| 19:37.02 | michaelnovakjr | wait trust me |
| 19:37.05 | jasta | yeah, ha. |
| 19:37.28 | michaelnovakjr | no need to hand over your manhood yet :) |
| 19:37.39 | jasta | i'm not getting married until it becomes financially advantageous to do so |
| 19:37.44 | anno^da | :D |
| 19:37.54 | jasta | and since i make an order of magnitude more than my girlfriend now, it's not time. ;) |
| 19:38.03 | muthu | haha |
| 19:38.09 | muthu | money is not everything |
| 19:38.15 | jasta | money is all marriage is about. |
| 19:38.28 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 19:38.40 | jasta | marriage in the US forms a binding legal and financial entity. that is the only functional effect. |
| 19:38.43 | muthu | money is a small part of our life |
| 19:38.55 | anno^da | true true |
| 19:39.01 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, the only recognized effect |
| 19:39.06 | muthu | yeah, but you can have all sort of contracts |
| 19:39.16 | muthu | you can keep the finance seperate, if you want |
| 19:39.23 | jasta | muthu: no, you can't. |
| 19:39.30 | michaelnovakjr | yea, you definitely can't :) |
| 19:39.38 | michaelnovakjr | ask the guys who are divorced |
| 19:39.40 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 19:39.42 | jasta | you can try to protect certain assets, but not everything. |
| 19:39.49 | jasta | and even then, you can only _TRY_ to protect them. |
| 19:39.55 | muthu | really |
| 19:39.58 | jasta | yes. |
| 19:40.03 | muthu | i thougt, there's something that you can sign |
| 19:40.03 | michaelnovakjr | yea, in the end you'll pay her salary |
| 19:40.14 | jasta | for example, if you want to leave your wife out of your will as a beneficiary, you must have her signature. |
| 19:40.25 | michaelnovakjr | hah |
| 19:40.40 | muthu | correct |
| 19:40.42 | jasta | if she refuses, you have no legal option. |
| 19:40.47 | muthu | celebrities do that a lot |
| 19:40.51 | muthu | to keep their money safe |
| 19:40.56 | jasta | celebrities lose millions a lot in failed marriages. |
| 19:41.13 | jasta | prenuptial agreements are actually quite weak and limited. most people have no idea what the real text of these are. |
| 19:41.25 | muthu | yeah, prenups |
| 19:41.28 | jasta | btw, if you're curious: http://www.sea-quest-kayak.com/sea-kayaking-washington-kayak-seattle.htm -- that's my trip. |
| 19:41.30 | muthu | that's what i was saying |
| 19:41.35 | dmoffett | Jasta: have you checked the common law marriage? You might already be married. :-) |
| 19:41.36 | michaelnovakjr | lesson learned: marry a celebrity |
| 19:41.41 | muthu | lol |
| 19:41.46 | muthu | jasta already married! |
| 19:41.49 | jasta | dmoffett: The common law marriage is also VERY weak. It can be trivially defeated. |
| 19:41.59 | dmoffett | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage |
| 19:42.03 | jasta | But even according to commonlaw, i'm not married. I've only been with her for 2 years. |
| 19:42.13 | dmoffett | Yeah I have no idea. |
| 19:42.21 | muthu | how many years for common law? |
| 19:43.07 | muthu | Lindt Chilli |
| 19:43.07 | jasta | muthu: differs from state to state, and most states dont even have it |
| 19:43.10 | muthu | hmm.. yummy |
| 19:43.27 | muthu | jasta: how about seattle? |
| 19:43.37 | jasta | washington, the state in which i live, does not have it. |
| 19:43.37 | yakischloba | jasta: san juans will be beautiful right now |
| 19:43.48 | jasta | yakischloba: no kidding, it's supposed to be in the 70s and 80s this weekend |
| 19:43.55 | yakischloba | jasta: its gorgeous right now |
| 19:43.59 | yakischloba | jasta: where do you live at? |
| 19:44.03 | jasta | Seattle |
| 19:44.09 | yakischloba | same here ;) |
| 19:44.16 | jasta | really? no kidding. |
| 19:44.29 | yakischloba | yeah. I live on Capitol Hill and work down in the SODO area. |
| 19:44.29 | jasta | which neighborhood, if you don't mind? |
| 19:44.38 | yakischloba | and you? |
| 19:44.41 | jasta | nice, i live in Ravenna and work SODO as well. |
| 19:44.54 | yakischloba | Hah. where in sodo? I'm at 6th & S Massachusetts |
| 19:45.05 | jasta | wow, 7th and Michigan |
| 19:45.08 | yakischloba | hahaha |
| 19:45.12 | yakischloba | i could throw a rock at you |
| 19:45.15 | jasta | hehe |
| 19:45.57 | yakischloba | thats exaggerating really but. you're only 2 miles or so south i'd figure |
| 19:46.10 | jasta | you must have some arm :) |
| 19:46.24 | jasta | yeah, wow, that's incredible :) |
| 19:46.24 | yakischloba | yeah lots of jerking off at work all day. |
| 19:46.35 | jasta | how long you been in Seattle? |
| 19:46.50 | yakischloba | all my life. I grew up on Bainbridge Island (and actually lived in the San Juans as well when I was a baby) |
| 19:47.10 | jasta | i grew up in Renton, then Port Orchard, moved to Seattle 3 years ago |
| 19:47.20 | jasta | lived in the U District at first, which was insane. |
| 19:47.27 | yakischloba | somehow I had it in my head that you were a socal guy, I don't know why I thought that. |
| 19:47.34 | yakischloba | yeah I can't stand that area. I'd never even consider it |
| 19:47.46 | jasta | well, i kind of fell into it. long story. |
| 19:47.50 | jasta | i didnt know what i was getting into :) |
| 19:48.00 | yakischloba | I'm actually looking to move to a quieter area right now, capitol hill is getting out of hand, both in price and population. |
| 19:48.10 | jasta | yakischloba: i have friends in socal, and was at I/O so i was there not too long ago... |
| 19:48.31 | yakischloba | that musta been it. |
| 19:48.45 | jasta | yeah, i actually looked at capitol hill last year before i renewed at my current place |
| 19:48.52 | jasta | didn't seem like a good fit |
| 19:49.07 | jasta | also, you can't beat the deal i've got goin on... |
| 19:49.13 | yakischloba | When the weather is nice like this, you can barely walk down the sidewalk, let alone find a seat in a restaurant or bar |
| 19:49.21 | jasta | i rent a 3000 sq ft house with 3 friends for $2160/mo :) |
| 19:49.58 | jasta | yeah, my next destination is probably going to be Wallingford or Fremont |
| 19:50.09 | jasta | i love the north side :) |
| 19:50.47 | jasta | yakischloba: so what's your involvement with Android? you're new to this channel, right? |
| 19:51.29 | yakischloba | I pay 735 for an itty bitty studio. I don't know what I was thinking really. my lease is up in September and I'll be looking for something cheaper (or bigger) |
| 19:52.04 | jasta | my friend just moved to Pioneer Square and found an enormous studio for only $1K/mo |
| 19:52.12 | jasta | it's impressive |
| 19:52.34 | jasta | recently remodeled kitchen too |
| 19:52.40 | yakischloba | I've been lurking for 2-3 months. When Android was fresh and new I got excited about learning Java so I could write Android apps but so far I haven't found the time. Not to mention I realized I have no idea what kind of app I would write |
| 19:52.57 | jasta | i learned Java for Android as well |
| 19:53.11 | yakischloba | yeah there are some gorgeous spaces down in that area. Of course they come at the sacrifice of living in the middle of downtown and a clubbing area. |
| 19:53.11 | jasta | it's a more interesting language than i initially realized. |
| 19:53.39 | michaelnovakjr | be careful on how much credit you give java :) |
| 19:53.44 | anno^da | haha :) |
| 19:53.50 | jasta | yakischloba: downtown isn't my scene. i probably got 6 months at a time before i even go there for any reason :) |
| 19:54.01 | jasta | go* |
| 19:54.31 | jasta | although his studio is close to Fado's, so i'm jealous about that :) |
| 19:54.33 | yakischloba | jasta: its pretty familiar to me since I used to take the ferry to/from Bainbridge all the time but I find little reason to go there anymore |
| 19:54.42 | yakischloba | Fado's? |
| 19:55.06 | jasta | nice irish pub and eatery |
| 19:55.11 | yakischloba | gotcha |
| 19:55.14 | jasta | it's basically the only worthwhile place in all of pioneer square |
| 19:55.46 | yakischloba | heh. I just turned 21 a few weeks ago and haven't had much desire to go exploring yet. |
| 19:56.10 | jasta | i turn 25 sunday :( |
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| 19:56.18 | yakischloba | getting old :) |
| 19:56.21 | pawalls | jasta, ancient. |
| 19:56.51 | jasta | yakischloba: are you in school still? |
| 19:56.54 | jasta | or at all? |
| 19:57.12 | yakischloba | No. I dropped out of HS and community college years ago. |
| 19:57.25 | jasta | oh yeah me too hehe |
| 19:58.02 | jasta | what do you do? |
| 19:58.27 | yakischloba | I displayed great ability on the computer when I was younger. I took a CCNA course though community college and thought I wanted to do that, but eventually I burned out and lost interest in the field completely |
| 19:58.37 | Dougie187 | jasta, i didnt know you dropped out of hs |
| 19:58.58 | Dougie187 | lol that sounds like a resume. |
| 19:59.04 | yakischloba | I had some stupid jobs and then ended up getting a job here working in the warehouse for minimum wage just because I needed a job |
| 19:59.06 | jasta | i didn't really drop out, that implies some gesture |
| 19:59.14 | yakischloba | then I just drifted back into the computer deal |
| 19:59.28 | michaelnovakjr | i just gave up :) |
| 19:59.42 | jasta | i didnt have enough credits to graduate for whatever reason and so was like "well, ok, sure." and never went back |
| 19:59.44 | michaelnovakjr | i get lazy when not challenged :) |
| 19:59.57 | yakischloba | We're a natural foods distributor...so I do a bunch of weird stuff. |
| 20:00.25 | Dougie187 | from highschool? |
| 20:00.27 | jasta | yakischloba: you should def. apply yourself some ;) |
| 20:00.29 | jasta | Dougie187: yeah. |
| 20:00.36 | Dougie187 | did you get a GED? |
| 20:01.15 | jasta | no, i later learned that nothing in life requires a high school diploma. |
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| 20:01.22 | jasta | the only people who check are mcdonalds. |
| 20:01.31 | michaelnovakjr | and google :) |
| 20:01.33 | jasta | going to community college, which i did, doesn't require one. |
| 20:01.51 | jasta | and so i actually have higher education than high school, without ever completing it. |
| 20:01.58 | michaelnovakjr | interesting |
| 20:01.59 | jasta | which must somehow transcend taht |
| 20:02.23 | michaelnovakjr | its bill gates 'last' official day at microsoft |
| 20:02.27 | jasta | but at any rate, if nobody suspects you don't have one, no one checks. |
| 20:02.36 | jasta | and no one expects a software engineer not to have one :) |
| 20:02.50 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 20:02.52 | jasta | most high schools have such lame record keeping too that you could just seem outraged and claim they lost it |
| 20:03.00 | jasta | and again, if you were a software engineer, everyone would probably believe you. |
| 20:03.26 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:03.32 | jasta | colleges also don't require them. you can skip high school, get an AA, and transfer to a 4 year school without difficulty |
| 20:03.35 | Dougie187 | but then in relaity you dont have any integrity. |
| 20:03.48 | Dougie187 | because you are lying to your employer about having credentials that you in fact, don't have. |
| 20:04.07 | jasta | so this group of people who "skipped" high school because they were smart are institutionally the same as drop-outs ;) |
| 20:04.09 | Dougie187 | lol the without difficulty is all dependant on your grades with your AA |
| 20:04.30 | jasta | Dougie187: no, because you don't have to lie. again, no one will ask a software engineer if he graduated high school. |
| 20:04.56 | jasta | it's unlikely to ever cross an interviewers mind :) |
| 20:05.07 | yakischloba | jasta: yeah I try. its hard for me to get better at what I want to do while I have a bunch of other responsibilities and interruptions. |
| 20:05.09 | jasta | and it's such an assumed low benchmark that nobody even puts it on a resume |
| 20:05.27 | jasta | yakischloba: if you want my advice, i recommend using your personal time. |
| 20:05.36 | yakischloba | jasta: I do that as well. |
| 20:05.59 | jasta | Dougie187: my life looks very strange on paper :) |
| 20:06.10 | yakischloba | jasta: unfortunately I've worked myself into a financial situation that requires me to work more than I would otherwise :( |
| 20:06.30 | michaelnovakjr | i have noticed that no one cares about formal education if you sound smart |
| 20:06.35 | jasta | yakischloba: well, step #1 is moving out of an expensive capitol hill house ;) |
| 20:06.37 | michaelnovakjr | basically its can you program or not |
| 20:06.44 | yakischloba | jasta: yeah. Waiting on that lease :) |
| 20:06.46 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: no, they care, they just don't often know to ask. |
| 20:07.13 | michaelnovakjr | where i am now all they cared about was seeing apps i had developed |
| 20:07.24 | michaelnovakjr | and where i was before was like that too |
| 20:07.28 | jasta | i think a lot of people care arbitrarily, but they've developed this snooty sense of superiority which wouldn't permit them to question the education of someone they'd otehrwise believe to be a colleague |
| 20:07.45 | jasta | so, again, nobody asks you ;) |
| 20:08.55 | jasta | but if you reveal that detail, it usually will hurt your credibility. |
| 20:09.00 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 20:09.03 | michaelnovakjr | for sure |
| 20:09.50 | yakischloba | jasta: its not too bad though. My job is laid back. Provided my responsibilities are taken care of, I'm free to pursue just about anything. |
| 20:10.13 | yakischloba | jasta: I just have more free-work time some weeks than others. |
| 20:10.43 | jasta | yakischloba: sounds like complacence ;) |
| 20:11.12 | jasta | i have a job like that now, and i'm frustrated by it. ready to move on, for sure. |
| 20:11.31 | yakischloba | jasta: It is, I can't deny that. I'm in my comfort bubble and I'm being a pussy about moving on. |
| 20:12.01 | jasta | i have felt fortunate because i have ambition. without it, i'd be in a very bad place right now ;) |
| 20:12.02 | yakischloba | jasta: I've made some progress as far as that recently though, so I think the end of my time here is not too far off. |
| 20:12.10 | yakischloba | hah |
| 20:12.26 | yakischloba | I have some ambition as well but sometimes it feels like its not enough. |
| 20:12.37 | yakischloba | Really its just me being lazy |
| 20:12.48 | jasta | well, there's a right way and a wrong way to be lazy. |
| 20:13.25 | jasta | the wrong way is watching tv. the right way is exploring a way to use a skill you like to replace a task you don't. |
| 20:13.35 | jasta | ;) |
| 20:13.41 | yakischloba | yup :) |
| 20:13.49 | yakischloba | IMO if i'm not moving forward I might as well be moving backwards |
| 20:14.20 | yakischloba | I felt so ahead when I was a bright young lad that I stopped caring to excel and now I've been left in the dust ;) |
| 20:15.10 | jasta | you could always use your smarts to figure out how to really abuse the crap out of the broken society in which you live. |
| 20:15.23 | jasta | make way more money than you deserve, for example. |
| 20:15.25 | yakischloba | heh |
| 20:15.41 | yakischloba | I'd be happy making _as much_ money as I deserve |
| 20:16.08 | jasta | and what would that be? |
| 20:16.54 | yakischloba | I'm not confident putting a price on my time, but its more than the $13.50 an hour I'm trickling in right now. |
| 20:17.42 | jasta | i'd say so. |
| 20:17.50 | jasta | but i think it's a good idea to try putting a price on it. |
| 20:17.57 | michaelnovakjr | definitely |
| 20:17.59 | jasta | it might make your goals feel unreasonably low. |
| 20:18.00 | yakischloba | It is. |
| 20:19.43 | jasta | well you think about it :) |
| 20:19.47 | yakischloba | heh |
| 20:19.59 | jasta | i gotta start thinking about getting to the store and getting ready for this trip this weekend |
| 20:20.40 | jasta | not that i know anything, but i'm betting the mobile industry is going to explode in the next 10 years, and a lot of people are going to get jobs at salaries they clearly don't deserve. |
| 20:20.44 | jasta | you could be one of them ;) |
| 20:20.56 | yakischloba | I gotta start thinking about getting my administrative garbage done for the day so I can settle in and write some code. |
| 20:21.04 | yakischloba | yeah I'm hoping I'm not too far behind the curve right now. |
| 20:21.38 | jasta | You're not at all. In fact, not going to college, you're still somewhat ahead of it. |
| 20:22.10 | yakischloba | I'm just having a hard time weighing my options and thinking about what I really want to do. Right now I have so much variety in my little IT world that I never get bored. I'm not sure if sitting down and grinding out code for 50 hours a week is something I could/want to do. |
| 20:22.42 | yakischloba | I could move into some zZz sysadmin job right now for something like twice what I make now, but I'm scared of getting even more apathetic. |
| 20:22.56 | jasta | yakischloba: I really surprised myself these past 5 months working on Android |
| 20:23.23 | jasta | well, before Google decided that their "do no evil" mantra was really a button they could conveniently remove at times :) |
| 20:23.27 | jasta | but anyway |
| 20:23.44 | yakischloba | haha. |
| 20:24.08 | jasta | For the ADC, I was working about 20-30 hours a week for 5 months. Didn't feel like a whole lot of time when I thought about it. |
| 20:24.18 | jasta | but then, i cranked out over 20k loc in a language I just learned :) |
| 20:24.37 | jasta | you know, much of it is probably absolute garbage, but still. |
| 20:25.01 | yakischloba | yeah. The programming I've been working with recently (wxruby gui toolkit) have been far more gratifying than I expected. |
| 20:25.12 | jasta | 20-30 hours on top of my day job, of course. |
| 20:25.26 | michaelnovakjr | ruby is garbage |
| 20:25.28 | yakischloba | I know |
| 20:25.40 | yakischloba | I'm embarrassed to mention it in this channel so please spare me. |
| 20:25.46 | michaelnovakjr | its all good |
| 20:26.01 | jasta | what's to be embarrassed about? We're all using Java for crying out loud :) |
| 20:26.05 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 20:26.14 | michaelnovakjr | excellent point |
| 20:26.19 | jasta | Hell, one of my favorite languages is Perl. I have no shame. |
| 20:26.36 | michaelnovakjr | C is still my favorite language |
| 20:26.51 | romainguy_ | wxRuby? |
| 20:27.00 | Dougie187 | C is mine too! |
| 20:27.00 | romainguy_ | are these bindings for the wxWindows toolkit? |
| 20:27.04 | Dougie187 | c++ is decent too |
| 20:27.05 | jasta | It's just good to be cranking out code, really. It's good to be producing something that can support you, whether it's emotionally, financially, or whatever. |
| 20:27.09 | yakischloba | It seems to have provided me with some level of intuitive understanding thats allowed me to start understanding other languages, whereas before I was totally clueless and had given up numerous times trying to learn. |
| 20:27.22 | yakischloba | romainguy: ruby bindings for wxWidgets. |
| 20:27.30 | romainguy_ | ah yes the name changed to wxWidgets |
| 20:27.31 | yakischloba | romainguy_: cross-platform |
| 20:27.38 | romainguy_ | I know wxWidgets |
| 20:27.44 | romainguy_ | it's one of the worst UI toolkits I've ever used |
| 20:27.48 | romainguy_ | :) |
| 20:27.54 | yakischloba | well then it'll fit well with ruby won't it. |
| 20:27.55 | yakischloba | ;) |
| 20:27.59 | jasta | i agree with romain, though, but don't take that as discouragement |
| 20:28.25 | romainguy_ | it's like Tk, I don't understand how this toolkit can still be around |
| 20:28.27 | romainguy_ | :) |
| 20:28.31 | yakischloba | heh. every time I think I've found something that I'm capable of creating something useful with.. |
| 20:28.32 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 20:28.45 | jasta | romainguy_: well, unlike Tk, it did solve an interesting problem even if it did it poorly |
| 20:28.49 | romainguy_ | yakischloba: that said you can create some pretty good stuff with it |
| 20:28.50 | jasta | Tk is truly the greater mystery. |
| 20:28.55 | michaelnovakjr | yakischloba: look at OS X programming |
| 20:29.24 | jasta | romainguy_: it's like GNU autotools. It solved a hard problem poorly, but it's the best we've got. |
| 20:29.52 | yakischloba | michaelnovakjr: one of the main reasons I went with wxWidgets is because its cross-platform :( |
| 20:30.05 | romainguy_ | jasta: it's true for Tk, but wx has no reason whatsoever to even exist :) |
| 20:31.27 | jasta | romainguy_: Well, it's reasoning is the same as SWT |
| 20:31.38 | romainguy_ | they had reasons for SWT at the time |
| 20:31.40 | romainguy_ | but nowadays... |
| 20:31.49 | michaelnovakjr | jasta you don't like autotools? |
| 20:31.51 | romainguy_ | (that doesn't explain why they created such an awful API though :) |
| 20:31.58 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: no, i think they're both great and terrible at the same time. |
| 20:32.09 | michaelnovakjr | haha, i know what you mean |
| 20:32.22 | jasta | it's confusing as hell and very awkward. it took a long time to learn. but i'm thankful it exists, none-the-less. |
| 20:32.34 | michaelnovakjr | agreed |
| 20:32.40 | jasta | romainguy_: you don't think SWT is relevant these days? |
| 20:32.59 | romainguy_ | Swing is fast/faster and GPL'd |
| 20:33.13 | romainguy_ | and SWT has some very weird limitations |
| 20:33.15 | jasta | well, the problem that's being attempted is native widgets. |
| 20:33.22 | romainguy_ | and way too many inspirations from Win32 |
| 20:33.25 | f00f- | i'd say SWT is faster by visual comparisons |
| 20:33.32 | romainguy_ | f00f-: actually it's not |
| 20:33.45 | romainguy_ | f00f-: especially since Swing is hardware accelerated on Windows |
| 20:33.47 | michaelnovakjr | http://www.userfriendly.org/ |
| 20:33.48 | f00f- | by my eyes, it is |
| 20:33.59 | jasta | wow, you guys wanna see something weird |
| 20:34.06 | jasta | google for java swing on google images |
| 20:34.10 | jasta | romain especially, do that ;) |
| 20:34.34 | romainguy_ | ahah |
| 20:34.37 | romainguy_ | I like the first picture :)) |
| 20:34.38 | jasta | Romain's my hero |
| 20:34.43 | jasta | hehe |
| 20:35.25 | yakischloba | lol. |
| 20:35.37 | Dougie187 | hey michaelnovakjr did you get a new laptop yet? |
| 20:35.38 | jasta | even i don't know if i'm being patronizing. >;) |
| 20:36.04 | jasta | romainguy_: i did that query to demonstrate that non-native widgets look like hell. then i got your app ;) |
| 20:36.46 | michaelnovakjr | Dougie187: noep |
| 20:36.47 | michaelnovakjr | nope |
| 20:36.51 | michaelnovakjr | i really want to though |
| 20:36.54 | Dougie187 | anytime soon? |
| 20:37.02 | michaelnovakjr | yea real soon |
| 20:37.32 | romainguy_ | jasta: I admit that GTK's support in Swing is pretty bad :( |
| 20:37.41 | jasta | romain: i love these photos you take on your blog. you've got a real talent for this. |
| 20:37.55 | romainguy_ | thanks |
| 20:38.02 | michaelnovakjr | Dougie187: i was trying to dump mine too |
| 20:38.04 | Dougie187 | you still looking at the dell? |
| 20:38.12 | Dougie187 | decide not to do that now? |
| 20:38.13 | michaelnovakjr | i was looking at the xps |
| 20:38.18 | Dougie187 | yeah i remember |
| 20:38.21 | michaelnovakjr | i can't get rid of it! |
| 20:38.21 | Dougie187 | the M1330 |
| 20:38.23 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:38.24 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 20:38.24 | jasta | like that peacock photo |
| 20:38.28 | jasta | what the hell, right? |
| 20:38.43 | jasta | i dont even understand what i'm seeing, but it's gorgeous |
| 20:38.52 | Dougie187 | i think im gonna get my R61e soon too |
| 20:38.54 | romainguy_ | jasta: to be honest I have no idea how I managed this one |
| 20:39.07 | romainguy_ | jasta: it was taken in broad daylight |
| 20:39.17 | jasta | it would have to be, as i assumed |
| 20:39.21 | jasta | because they wouldnt let you in the zoo otherwise |
| 20:39.26 | romainguy_ | lol |
| 20:39.35 | romainguy_ | well... when you really want a picture... :) |
| 20:39.53 | jasta | man, i dont know about zoos in ca, but the wodland park zoo by my house is like fort knox |
| 20:40.04 | jasta | theres a 14 foot barbed wire fence all around |
| 20:40.09 | Dougie187 | sooo i guess people just came out with the coolest usb hubs in the world. |
| 20:40.15 | jasta | with nothing to grab onto. you'd need a grappling hook :) |
| 20:40.39 | romainguy_ | jasta: in France I got locked up in the zoo a few times |
| 20:40.42 | Dougie187 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/27/video-darth-vader-usb-hub-fulfills-your-dork-destiny/ |
| 20:40.45 | romainguy_ | in Lyon the zoo is in a huge park |
| 20:40.58 | romainguy_ | and when they close the gates, too bad for you if you're sitll inside |
| 20:42.14 | jasta | most zoos around the world are like that, i think. my brother said in belize the zoo is really just a fence around *you* as you walk through |
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| 20:43.19 | michaelnovakjr | Dougie187: i want one |
| 20:44.04 | Dougie187 | aren't they cool? |
| 20:44.04 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:44.04 | Dougie187 | they move too |
| 20:45.35 | michaelnovakjr | why are they only in japan!?! |
| 20:47.13 | jasta | really? you have to ask that? :) |
| 20:47.26 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 20:47.36 | michaelnovakjr | i know i know, it was more just disappointment |
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| 20:50.33 | Dougie187 | hey michaelnovakjr let me know when you get your laptop |
| 20:50.36 | Dougie187 | i wanna know how it is. |
| 20:50.45 | michaelnovakjr | ok |
| 20:51.35 | Dougie187 | is that the one you are going to get though?. |
| 20:51.39 | Dougie187 | or are you still shopping? |
| 20:51.54 | michaelnovakjr | i almost certain |
| 20:51.59 | michaelnovakjr | i am * |
| 20:52.07 | michaelnovakjr | sorry, don't mean to sound like a caveman :) |
| 20:52.25 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:52.27 | Dougie187 | it haoppens. |
| 20:52.30 | Dougie187 | happens. |
| 20:52.40 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 20:53.15 | Dougie187 | any timeline for your splurge? |
| 20:53.37 | michaelnovakjr | not sure |
| 20:53.51 | Dougie187 | i want to get mine asap. |
| 20:53.58 | Dougie187 | but i probably wont get it until at least july 15th. |
| 20:56.57 | michaelnovakjr | didn't you just get yours back? |
| 20:57.55 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 20:58.04 | Dougie187 | but this one is going to become my wifes. |
| 20:58.09 | Dougie187 | and im going to get a new one |
| 20:58.13 | michaelnovakjr | i see' |
| 20:58.14 | Dougie187 | with a discrete graphics card. |
| 20:58.25 | Dougie187 | hopefully so i can do a little CUDA programming |
| 20:58.36 | Dougie187 | but also hopefully so games will run better in wine |
| 20:58.37 | michaelnovakjr | i like nvidia |
| 20:58.38 | f00f- | what is CUDA |
| 20:58.52 | Dougie187 | CUDA is a language to run code on nvidia GPUs |
| 20:59.26 | Dougie187 | you can do a lot of SIMD stuff |
| 20:59.32 | Dougie187 | thats primarily what it is good for |
| 20:59.38 | Dougie187 | like blocked matrix multiply |
| 20:59.48 | Dougie187 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA |
| 21:00.10 | f00f- | oh nice |
| 21:00.24 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 21:00.43 | Dougie187 | it lets you basically just pump data to the gpu and have the gpu manipulate it and send it back |
| 21:00.51 | Dougie187 | and the gpu is incredibly fast with this. |
| 21:01.11 | Dougie187 | but its really only useful for like, linear algebra stuff |
| 21:01.58 | f00f- | nice |
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| 21:02.17 | f00f- | the usual gpu paradigm is to use it as a tool |
| 21:02.24 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 21:02.26 | f00f- | where now you want to push execution logic into it |
| 21:02.32 | Dougie187 | yup |
| 21:02.40 | Dougie187 | we have a GPU cluster here actually |
| 21:03.21 | Dougie187 | its like 8 machines with 2 or 3 8800s in them |
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| 21:04.11 | f00f- | not bad |
| 21:04.37 | f00f- | can you make some patches for MySQL that use CUDA to accelerate R-tree indexes and geospatial search KTHX |
| 21:04.52 | Dougie187 | i dont know. |
| 21:04.54 | f00f- | i wonder if that data structure can be used optimally in a GPU |
| 21:05.08 | Dougie187 | possibly. |
| 21:05.46 | Dougie187 | i know a professor here who is using CUDA to generate CVTs |
| 21:05.56 | Dougie187 | but he does it in an odd way |
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| 21:06.44 | f00f- | CVT for cars? |
| 21:06.53 | f00f- | nissan has a few models out |
| 21:06.58 | f00f- | CVT isbecomng more and more popular |
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| 21:07.33 | Dougie187 | lol Not not CVT for car |
| 21:07.43 | Dougie187 | Centroidal Voronoi Tesselation. |
| 21:07.49 | f00f- | ooooooooooooh |
| 21:07.53 | f00f- | that's pimp |
| 21:07.56 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 21:07.58 | f00f- | i was reading up on voronoi's the other day |
| 21:08.02 | f00f- | thinking maybe i need to implement it myself |
| 21:08.05 | Dougie187 | Voronois are awesome |
| 21:08.16 | Dougie187 | if you need some help i have some matlab code to do one. |
| 21:08.22 | Dougie187 | do you know what method you might use? |
| 21:09.39 | f00f- | well i was just exploring, but i was thinking population-based distribution |
| 21:09.58 | f00f- | mind you i just stumbled on this |
| 21:10.07 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 21:10.22 | Dougie187 | people used it in japan to place mail drop off boxes |
| 21:10.26 | f00f- | ideally would like to use it for LBS |
| 21:10.37 | f00f- | not only for POI's but also tracking people |
| 21:10.42 | Dougie187 | to see the optimal distribution of drop off boxes. |
| 21:11.25 | f00f- | heh, "drop off boxes" - is that a joke? |
| 21:11.26 | f00f- | :) |
| 21:11.32 | Dougie187 | lol no. |
| 21:11.45 | Dougie187 | i went to a seminar on it. |
| 21:11.56 | Dougie187 | we use weighted CVTs in our research |
| 21:12.04 | Dougie187 | to make a mesh for the ocean |
| 21:12.09 | Dougie187 | or land |
| 21:12.26 | f00f- | right |
| 21:12.43 | f00f- | stuff i've been glancing at: |
| 21:12.46 | f00f- | http://www.geodyssey.com/papers/dobbs92.html |
| 21:12.49 | f00f- | http://www.geodyssey.com/tutorial/tc06.html |
| 21:13.10 | Dougie187 | well if you want some methods for making a CVT look at Lloyds method |
| 21:13.16 | Dougie187 | or the Probablistic Lloyds method |
| 21:17.02 | Dougie187 | well i am out now. |
| 21:17.04 | Dougie187 | so ill be back later |
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| 21:27.32 | jasta | man i'm excited for this weekend |
| 21:28.39 | morrildl | jasta: you mean Gay Pride weekend? |
| 21:28.46 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 21:29.01 | michaelnovakjr | he has a girlfriend |
| 21:30.17 | jasta | morrildl: well sure i guess, i strongly support gay and lesbian rights. |
| 21:30.31 | jasta | is that supposed to be insulting? |
| 21:30.34 | morrildl | well, I'll probably be at the parade, so I didn't mean it like that :) |
| 21:31.01 | jasta | i bet you will ;) |
| 21:31.16 | morrildl | (the gay-marriage-in-CA thing is in big in the news here) |
| 21:31.44 | morrildl | apparently there's a huge number of weddings going on today, as people get married for Gay Pride Weekend |
| 21:31.51 | jasta | i'm joking though, the gay pride parades are generally anti-social and counter-productive. |
| 21:31.58 | morrildl | really? |
| 21:32.06 | morrildl | I've never been to one |
| 21:32.27 | jasta | oh yeah, they're terrible. lude and illegal sexual conduct is common place, independent of sexual orientation. |
| 21:32.57 | jasta | naked men and women walking around and crap. has nothing to do with gay pride or rights, it's just sort of an excuse for a lot of people to be sexually deviant. |
| 21:33.34 | jasta | and it overshadows the good that people are trying to accomplish from those sorts of events |
| 21:34.15 | romainguy | it's this week end? |
| 21:34.29 | jasta | very stereotypical too. |
| 21:34.45 | romainguy | living on Market is awesome, I can take pictures of all the events form my window :) |
| 21:35.03 | michaelnovakjr | that must cost a pretty penny |
| 21:36.01 | jasta | morrildl: what do you suppose the odds are that the gay marriage thing will be overturned? |
| 21:36.30 | jasta | i'd heard that there was quite an uproar and they got it on the public ballot |
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| 21:37.56 | morrildl | jasta: I mean I haven't been following the details of the gay-marriage decision |
| 21:38.02 | jasta | if anyone was paying attention, earlier today i admitted that my mom was a lesbian. so obviously i hear a lot about this :) |
| 21:38.11 | morrildl | heh :) |
| 21:38.32 | yakischloba | faggot lover! |
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| 21:38.57 | jasta | and i already know yakischloba must be joking because he lives in capitol hill |
| 21:39.20 | yakischloba | ;) |
| 21:40.06 | jasta | yakischloba: hey, are you going to the block party this year? |
| 21:40.09 | morrildl | had gotten as far as "/ban yak" |
| 21:40.35 | yakischloba | haha. sorry morrildl I'll refrain in the future. |
| 21:40.35 | jasta | morrildl: yakischloba lives in a part of Seattle that is almost rare to see straight couples :) |
| 21:40.43 | morrildl | heh :) |
| 21:40.57 | morrildl | yakischloba: well, at least put a ;) on the end so I know ;) |
| 21:41.01 | jasta | and on top of that, Seattle is extremely progressive on the gay and lesbain front |
| 21:41.19 | yakischloba | jasta: I don't think so. I'm not much for big events like that, the block party is usually off the hook. |
| 21:41.32 | jasta | yakischloba: yeah, but these guys will be there: |
| 21:41.36 | jasta | http://www.myspace.com/theairbornetoxicevent |
| 21:41.38 | jasta | and they are awesome |
| 21:41.41 | pawalls | ";)" is the new "bless his heart" |
| 21:41.53 | yakischloba | hmm |
| 21:42.50 | pawalls | jasta, You know.. I kinda enjoy the old naked people. They seem to be a cornerstone of the SF counter-culture. |
| 21:43.06 | jasta | yeah, i'm sure thye are, but it still has nothing to do with gay pride. |
| 21:43.23 | pawalls | jasta, I think it's going a bit far to say nudity is "lude" and "sexually explicit" |
| 21:43.43 | jasta | yeah, but there's lude and sexually explicit behaviour as well :) |
| 21:44.00 | jasta | but i need not go any further than to say there are naked people, because thats illegal |
| 21:44.21 | pawalls | Yes, and legality is the last word on morality :-P |
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| 22:02.17 | jasta | pawalls: i'm just saying it's not a great way to get your point across |
| 22:02.26 | jasta | we're gay, deal with it, and also this naked guy who has nothing to do with being gay! |
| 22:02.38 | jasta | anyway, i gtota run |
| 22:02.43 | jasta | ferry time |
| 22:08.32 | yakischloba | cya jasta |
| 22:08.48 | yakischloba | have a fun trip |
| 22:08.55 | f00f- | where is he going |
| 22:09.04 | yakischloba | san juans |
| 22:09.12 | f00f- | puerto rico? |
| 22:09.22 | yakischloba | washington ;) |
| 22:09.27 | f00f- | okay :) |
| 22:09.29 | f00f- | never heard of it |
| 22:09.39 | yakischloba | a group of islands somewhat near seattle. |
| 22:09.49 | yakischloba | pretty nice area |
| 22:11.11 | f00f- | one day i shall visit washington area |
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