| 00:06.14 | *** join/#android The_PHP_Jedi (n=ThePHPJe@unaffiliated/thephpjedi/x-000002) |
| 00:17.01 | *** join/#android michaelnovakjr_ (n=michaeln@ool-18ba6e83.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 00:21.48 | TSchultz55 | hey michaelnovakjr_ |
| 00:22.29 | michaelnovakjr_ | hey |
| 00:23.46 | michaelnovakjr_ | what's up? |
| 00:25.33 | *** join/#android yakischloba (n=jake@c-24-22-170-61.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 00:27.50 | TSchultz55 | not too much |
| 00:28.19 | *** join/#android BBHoss (n=hoss@72.146.26.240) |
| 00:28.47 | TSchultz55 | hey - ever run into an issue where emulated Android just hangs when booting up? |
| 00:29.35 | TSchultz55 | red progress bar keeps going, CPU utilization at 100% and it stays that way |
| 00:29.41 | AttractiveApe | Are you running on Linux? |
| 00:30.10 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea |
| 00:30.19 | michaelnovakjr_ | its not great on linux/windows |
| 00:31.16 | TSchultz55 | yeah its happening on my Linux box |
| 00:34.53 | *** join/#android BBHoss (n=hoss@72.146.26.240) |
| 00:43.12 | TSchultz55 | any reasons as to why it happens/how to fix it? |
| 00:45.14 | romainguy_ | try to disable the audio |
| 00:45.54 | TSchultz55 | how exactly do I disable audio? |
| 00:49.23 | romainguy_ | emulator -noaudio |
| 00:49.24 | *** join/#android AttractiveApe (n=phil@office.gossamer-threads.com) |
| 00:49.56 | TSchultz55 | awesome thanks lemme try |
| 00:54.23 | TSchultz55 | hmmmm looks like its just handing on "binder_mmap: 509 ........." |
| 00:54.28 | TSchultz55 | hanging* |
| 00:55.07 | *** join/#android zhobbs (n=zach@132.245.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 00:55.34 | romainguy | then try to wipe the data |
| 00:57.04 | *** join/#android jtoy (n=jtoy@58.63.89.218) |
| 00:57.46 | TSchultz55 | alrighty |
| 00:57.47 | TSchultz55 | thanks |
| 01:00.40 | *** join/#android edcba (i=edcba@nor75-17-82-67-199-204.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 01:04.48 | *** join/#android Dougie187 (n=doug@c-68-42-59-199.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 01:13.00 | michaelnovakjr_ | whats up Dougie187 |
| 01:13.06 | Dougie187 | not too much |
| 01:13.07 | Dougie187 | you? |
| 01:15.56 | *** join/#android _avatar (n=avatar@adsl-75-55-201-217.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:41.09 | michaelnovakjr_ | eh, same old |
| 01:41.30 | Dougie187 | you get a laptop yet? |
| 01:44.43 | Dougie187 | well.. its bed time now. |
| 01:44.45 | Dougie187 | talk to you later! |
| 01:44.45 | *** part/#android Dougie187 (n=doug@c-68-42-59-199.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 01:54.10 | *** join/#android pombreda (n=pombreda@h-68-165-3-80.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 02:20.52 | michaelnovakjr_ | howdy |
| 02:21.16 | *** join/#android mickrobk (n=mickrobk@c-67-173-250-134.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 02:25.54 | TSchultz55 | hey |
| 02:26.01 | TSchultz55 | watchin WLTV on revision3 |
| 02:26.07 | TSchultz55 | live feed went dead :( |
| 02:26.39 | michaelnovakjr_ | WLTV? |
| 02:28.25 | *** join/#android BBHoss (n=hoss@65.4.26.117) |
| 02:28.28 | TSchultz55 | wine library TV |
| 02:29.39 | *** join/#android SR71-Blackbird (n=nirvana@unaffiliated/sr71-blackbird) |
| 02:32.18 | michaelnovakjr_ | ah |
| 02:32.35 | michaelnovakjr_ | figure out your emulator issue? |
| 02:41.55 | TSchultz55 | nahhh |
| 02:42.03 | TSchultz55 | it's like hit-or-miss if it loads of not |
| 02:42.37 | TSchultz55 | sometimes it just hangs forever at the red loading bar |
| 02:42.51 | michaelnovakjr_ | have you modified it at all? |
| 02:42.56 | TSchultz55 | no |
| 02:42.57 | michaelnovakjr_ | stored data? |
| 02:43.12 | michaelnovakjr_ | what distro are you using? |
| 02:43.23 | TSchultz55 | i completely overwrote the entire SDK directory fresh |
| 02:43.30 | TSchultz55 | ubuntu |
| 02:43.41 | michaelnovakjr_ | are you using eclipse? |
| 02:43.55 | TSchultz55 | both - yes and no |
| 02:44.02 | TSchultz55 | but it wont load in eclipse either |
| 02:44.04 | TSchultz55 | same thing |
| 02:44.10 | michaelnovakjr_ | i've notice the eclipse plugin is terrible |
| 02:44.30 | michaelnovakjr_ | i stopped using eclipse |
| 02:44.34 | TSchultz55 | and it turns my laptop into a flaming heap of plastic |
| 02:44.54 | michaelnovakjr_ | have you tailed the log? |
| 02:45.02 | TSchultz55 | CPU at 100% until I decide enough is enough |
| 02:45.21 | TSchultz55 | adb logcat ? |
| 02:45.25 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea |
| 02:45.33 | TSchultz55 | good idea |
| 02:45.35 | TSchultz55 | lemme try |
| 02:45.50 | TSchultz55 | sometimes it loads in 30 seconds |
| 02:45.54 | TSchultz55 | sometimes never |
| 02:46.07 | michaelnovakjr_ | i'd be curious to see the log output |
| 02:46.16 | TSchultz55 | until my laptop gets glowing nuclear radiation hot |
| 02:46.47 | f00f- | ^C |
| 02:47.09 | TSchultz55 | lemme check out logcatr |
| 02:47.09 | michaelnovakjr_ | ^C |
| 02:47.22 | f00f- | KTAARL |
| 02:47.29 | TSchultz55 | agreed |
| 02:47.34 | michaelnovakjr_ | haha |
| 02:48.47 | TSchultz55 | logcatting now |
| 02:49.41 | TSchultz55 | weird |
| 02:49.48 | f00f- | lolcat |
| 02:49.58 | TSchultz55 | this is a fresh install but i just saw it make a reference to com.ramandwhiskey |
| 02:50.06 | TSchultz55 | which is an app i made |
| 02:50.19 | f00f- | does it support org.vodka.* ? |
| 02:50.28 | TSchultz55 | i wish |
| 02:50.28 | michaelnovakjr_ | :) |
| 02:50.32 | michaelnovakjr_ | pastebin the output |
| 02:50.41 | TSchultz55 | damnit...no problems |
| 02:50.43 | TSchultz55 | booted fine |
| 02:50.46 | TSchultz55 | come onnnnnn |
| 02:50.53 | TSchultz55 | the one time i want it to fail |
| 02:50.54 | michaelnovakjr_ | do you see your app in the emulator? |
| 02:51.08 | TSchultz55 | hmmmm |
| 02:51.09 | TSchultz55 | yeah |
| 02:51.20 | TSchultz55 | i completely wiped the entire SDK dir |
| 02:51.34 | michaelnovakjr_ | run this.... |
| 02:51.40 | michaelnovakjr_ | emulator --wipe-data |
| 02:52.36 | TSchultz55 | that opened a new one |
| 02:53.21 | TSchultz55 | logcatting that one now |
| 02:55.43 | michaelnovakjr_ | if that doesn't work... i added an extra dash |
| 02:55.50 | michaelnovakjr_ | its emulator -wipe-data |
| 02:56.41 | TSchultz55 | ok thats done |
| 02:56.48 | TSchultz55 | booted again |
| 02:57.05 | TSchultz55 | but an exception about an application not responding |
| 02:57.08 | *** join/#android muthu (n=sushmu@59.92.89.234) |
| 02:57.11 | michaelnovakjr_ | which application |
| 02:58.46 | TSchultz55 | crap should have written it down |
| 02:59.11 | f00f- | com.google |
| 02:59.45 | TSchultz55 | something like that |
| 03:01.04 | TSchultz55 | but now i can see why my application is crashing now at least |
| 03:01.51 | TSchultz55 | all global libraries go into /system/lib correct? |
| 03:11.26 | *** join/#android BBHoss (n=hoss@65.4.26.117) |
| 03:17.04 | michaelnovakjr_ | anyone know if its possible to emulate a video camera source? |
| 03:20.38 | michaelnovakjr_ | around romainguy ? |
| 03:28.23 | TSchultz55 | how did the android scan application do it |
| 03:28.44 | TSchultz55 | http://scan.jsharkey.org/ |
| 03:28.59 | TSchultz55 | http://www.tomgibara.com/android/camera-source |
| 03:29.29 | TSchultz55 | but bed for me |
| 03:29.30 | TSchultz55 | night |
| 03:29.37 | muthu | gm |
| 03:51.38 | michaelnovakjr_ | goodnight |
| 03:54.58 | *** join/#android cain_22 (n=cain@cblmdm72-241-226-143.buckeyecom.net) |
| 04:26.20 | *** join/#android convivial (n=convivia@c-98-226-60-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:39.25 | f00f- | aint no love in the heart of the city |
| 04:39.31 | f00f- | nanananaaaaaaa |
| 04:41.10 | muthu | f00f-: mornin |
| 04:42.37 | f00f- | yo |
| 04:42.41 | f00f- | just checking out the app store on apple |
| 04:42.47 | f00f- | lot of shit out there |
| 04:43.36 | romainguy_ | I'm very disappointed by the games |
| 04:43.43 | romainguy_ | they are barely playable with the sensors :(( |
| 04:44.31 | muthu | looks like 500+ apps |
| 04:44.36 | romainguy_ | yep |
| 04:44.41 | romainguy_ | lots of duplicates though |
| 04:44.49 | romainguy_ | and a bunch of books |
| 04:44.58 | muthu | any gps based apps? |
| 04:45.07 | muthu | since that happens to be the new feature |
| 04:45.12 | duey | you guys got iphone3gs yet? |
| 04:45.12 | f00f- | a few |
| 04:45.26 | romainguy_ | duey: no but I upgraded my 1st gen iPhone |
| 04:45.29 | f00f- | nothing exciting as far as LBS is |
| 04:45.32 | duey | ah ok |
| 04:45.46 | muthu | anything you like? |
| 04:45.55 | f00f- | some trip planners for transit |
| 04:46.00 | f00f- | but they are metro specific |
| 04:46.04 | muthu | oh cool |
| 04:46.16 | f00f- | but nothing liek PedNav ;) |
| 04:46.24 | muthu | right!!! |
| 04:46.24 | f00f- | i'm trying to find a calendaring app |
| 04:47.03 | f00f- | man this is a wave right now |
| 04:47.09 | f00f- | i cant wait for the android equivalent of such a store |
| 04:47.14 | f00f- | we'll be riding that wave |
| 04:47.17 | f00f- | for real |
| 04:48.49 | muthu | f00f-: check your mail |
| 04:49.50 | duey | whens your compo over? |
| 04:49.52 | duey | the |
| 04:50.40 | f00f- | compo ? |
| 04:50.52 | duey | adc |
| 05:11.24 | *** join/#android ArteK (i=root@artekw.cerbero.pl) |
| 05:11.33 | *** join/#android jtoy (n=jtoy@58.63.89.218) |
| 05:18.24 | *** join/#android convivial (n=convivia@c-98-226-60-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:18.24 | *** join/#android _avatar (n=avatar@adsl-75-55-201-217.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:18.24 | *** join/#android Dralspire (n=dralspir@unaffiliated/dralspire) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:18.24 | *** join/#android naick (n=teky@cm61-18-106-243.hkcable.com.hk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:18.24 | *** join/#android cktakahasi (n=cktakaha@200.184.118.132) |
| 05:18.24 | *** join/#android thedanie1` (n=daniel@208-78-103-245.slicehost.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:22.38 | *** join/#android jerkface03 (n=jerkface@S0106000d3a2c0806.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 05:34.25 | *** join/#android duey (n=Nick@203.96.223.40) |
| 05:37.01 | *** join/#android aculich (n=aculich@c-76-24-31-156.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 06:06.36 | *** join/#android borism (n=boris@194.126.108.2) |
| 06:26.10 | *** join/#android eton_ (n=eton@ppp-58-8-240-232.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 06:47.54 | *** join/#android eton (n=eton@ppp-58-8-18-23.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 06:51.48 | *** join/#android inZane-_ (i=nemo@dslb-084-058-025-217.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 06:52.37 | *** join/#android anno^da (n=anno^da@p5B07DE7E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:53.39 | *** join/#android davidw (n=davidw@213.47.186.146) |
| 07:29.15 | *** join/#android crib (n=chris@port-195-158-167-6.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 07:36.24 | *** join/#android alex2308 (n=alex2308@daloo.de) |
| 07:36.24 | alex2308 | morning android dudez |
| 07:36.58 | davidw | 'morning |
| 07:41.50 | *** join/#android cutmasta (n=cutmasta@62.225.134.181) |
| 08:44.35 | alex2308 | whats cool -> SPLENDID |
| 08:44.37 | alex2308 | ops |
| 08:44.43 | alex2308 | i mean http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/957fa043e2a199b6# |
| 08:53.00 | davidw | alex2308, unfortunately, alien mind control rays prevent them from saying why they can't say or do anything |
| 08:58.26 | cutmasta | mornin all |
| 08:59.22 | muthu | ga |
| 09:00.34 | f00f- | muthu and his acronyms |
| 09:00.44 | muthu | haha |
| 09:00.54 | muthu | f00f-: go to sleep! |
| 09:01.29 | f00f- | what, so you can win? :P |
| 09:02.02 | alex2308 | metal hats would solve the alien mind control problem |
| 09:02.21 | muthu | f00f-: exactly ;) |
| 09:04.48 | davidw | alex2308, they interfere with the page&brin mind control device that keeps the googlers in line |
| 09:07.23 | muthu | hey davidw, what |
| 09:07.33 | muthu | how's your daughter? |
| 09:07.43 | muthu | having fun :) |
| 09:08.20 | alex2308 | davidw: found a google employe http://www.annarea.ch/thomas/bilder/knebel.jpg |
| 09:09.43 | muthu | man, thats scary |
| 09:09.55 | muthu | alex2308: that should go with a warning.. haha |
| 09:10.19 | alex2308 | hehe |
| 09:28.19 | davidw | muthu, yeah, she's yelling at the moment, but she's started smiling lots, which is nice |
| 09:29.03 | muthu | yup, it would get better |
| 10:02.02 | *** part/#android muthu (n=sushmu@59.92.89.234) |
| 10:07.37 | alex2308 | someone tell me where to apply for a job in germany |
| 10:07.55 | alex2308 | i dont know my str/weaknesses |
| 10:12.10 | *** join/#android nurdys (n=nurdys@bft33-1-88-168-253-54.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 10:13.18 | *** join/#android mxcl (n=mxcl@hq.last.fm) |
| 10:16.19 | *** join/#android eton_ (n=eton@ppp-58-8-18-23.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 10:18.48 | *** join/#android duey (n=Nick@203.96.223.40) |
| 10:29.11 | *** join/#android lindever__ (n=eton@ppp-58-8-18-23.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 10:31.32 | *** join/#android mr_daniel (n=sysrq@e177123164.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 11:11.40 | *** join/#android matt_c (n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 11:40.16 | *** join/#android eton (n=eton@ppp-58-8-18-23.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 11:48.08 | alex2308 | how do i register an intent without modifying manifest.xml? any possibility? |
| 11:48.45 | alex2308 | *intentreceiver |
| 12:43.08 | *** join/#android muthu (n=sushmu@59.92.72.67) |
| 12:44.25 | *** join/#android zhobbs_ (n=zach@mail.guardianmfg.com) |
| 13:16.59 | *** join/#android tethridge (n=tale@207.235.54.1) |
| 13:39.51 | zhobbs_ | anyone irc'ing from iphone line? :) |
| 13:42.08 | TSchultz55 | doubt they'd be in the android room ;) |
| 13:42.10 | TSchultz55 | lol |
| 13:42.22 | zhobbs_ | heh |
| 13:42.29 | cutmasta | :) |
| 13:42.52 | michaelnovakjr | i am....... |
| 13:42.55 | michaelnovakjr | not |
| 13:42.58 | TSchultz55 | lol |
| 13:43.08 | zhobbs_ | damn, 107 people in ##iphone |
| 13:43.12 | zhobbs_ | they have us beat |
| 13:43.15 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 13:43.16 | TSchultz55 | i'll be irc'ing from the bar at Penn State in a few hours |
| 13:43.22 | cutmasta | zhobbs, wait till phones come out |
| 13:43.32 | cutmasta | :) |
| 13:43.39 | cutmasta | all we be ircing from android phones |
| 13:43.39 | cutmasta | hehe |
| 13:43.42 | cutmasta | will |
| 13:43.44 | cutmasta | :) |
| 13:43.53 | zhobbs_ | cutmasta: yeah, all the linux geeks will be buying them and ircing from the shell on their phone |
| 13:44.15 | cutmasta | lol |
| 13:44.23 | cutmasta | hopefully also normal "humans" |
| 13:44.31 | cutmasta | not in #android |
| 13:44.38 | cutmasta | but perhaps in normal chats :) |
| 13:44.38 | TSchultz55 | yeah one reason I cant get into the iPhone was their SDK was more of an "after thought" |
| 13:44.55 | michaelnovakjr | its a nice SDK |
| 13:44.55 | cutmasta | i am currently testing iphone sdk |
| 13:45.04 | zhobbs_ | open source is my draw to android |
| 13:45.04 | michaelnovakjr | i have a beta account for it |
| 13:45.15 | cutmasta | to have a look from both side of the phones |
| 13:45.16 | michaelnovakjr | but it is too restrictive |
| 13:45.16 | TSchultz55 | i heard it's lacking useful features |
| 13:45.20 | TSchultz55 | yeah exactly |
| 13:46.41 | zhobbs_ | I think the iPhone is really cool though |
| 13:46.49 | zhobbs_ | can't take that away |
| 13:46.51 | TSchultz55 | it definately is |
| 13:47.08 | zhobbs_ | I was hoping to pick up a v1 for like $100, but guess that's not happening |
| 13:47.16 | TSchultz55 | as much as I love Linux and open source, I have to admit I do own a few Apple products |
| 13:47.26 | cutmasta | also |
| 13:47.30 | TSchultz55 | and enjoy using them |
| 13:47.35 | cutmasta | macbook |
| 13:47.47 | TSchultz55 | yeah macbook here as well |
| 13:47.55 | cutmasta | macbook is really good hardware |
| 13:48.04 | TSchultz55 | indeed |
| 13:48.10 | michaelnovakjr | i have a macbook pro |
| 13:48.11 | michaelnovakjr | i like it |
| 13:48.13 | cutmasta | but i love my old thinkpad |
| 13:48.18 | cutmasta | :) |
| 13:48.19 | michaelnovakjr | i have a dual boot mac/linux |
| 13:48.22 | cutmasta | yap |
| 13:48.34 | cutmasta | same here michaelnovakjr |
| 13:48.57 | cutmasta | but more and more using mac |
| 13:49.04 | cutmasta | as OS |
| 13:49.12 | cutmasta | to learn it |
| 13:49.16 | TSchultz55 | yeah my MS run stops here |
| 13:49.37 | michaelnovakjr | i still have windows on my old thinkpad |
| 13:50.15 | cutmasta | for gaming? |
| 13:50.18 | TSchultz55 | i have a WinXP Tablet that was MONEY in college. it's all I ever brought to class. Synced everything up with a Linux SVN server back at my house. |
| 13:50.38 | TSchultz55 | no books, papers, notebooks |
| 13:50.43 | michaelnovakjr | my windows computer i use for visual studio |
| 13:51.00 | michaelnovakjr | i am writing git to run natively on windows |
| 13:51.15 | TSchultz55 | thats cool |
| 13:52.36 | michaelnovakjr | indeed |
| 13:52.56 | michaelnovakjr | cutmasta what distro are you running |
| 13:52.58 | TSchultz55 | alrighty i'm driving out to PSU soon....gotta back |
| 13:53.00 | TSchultz55 | see ya |
| 13:53.05 | michaelnovakjr | later |
| 13:53.06 | TSchultz55 | pack* |
| 13:53.10 | cutmasta | michaelnovakjr, ubuntu on desktops |
| 13:53.26 | michaelnovakjr | running ubuntu on your macbook? |
| 13:53.28 | cutmasta | no time for config editing in vim anymore :) |
| 13:54.00 | cutmasta | michaelnovakjr, |
| 13:54.02 | cutmasta | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook |
| 13:54.14 | michaelnovakjr | nice |
| 13:54.18 | michaelnovakjr | i am running mandriva |
| 13:54.23 | michaelnovakjr | how's the touchpad support? |
| 13:54.23 | cutmasta | oh |
| 13:54.27 | cutmasta | never tried mandriva |
| 13:54.33 | michaelnovakjr | its pretty cool |
| 13:54.42 | cutmasta | anything very good done in mandriva which is bad done on other distros? |
| 13:54.58 | michaelnovakjr | mandriva worked out of the box on my macbookpro |
| 13:55.06 | michaelnovakjr | graphics internet sound .... |
| 13:55.25 | cutmasta | ui |
| 13:55.29 | cutmasta | michaelnovakjr, new macbook pro? |
| 13:55.34 | cutmasta | with multitouch pad? |
| 13:57.31 | michaelnovakjr | the double click feature |
| 13:57.39 | michaelnovakjr | i hate touchpads that doubleclick |
| 13:58.23 | cutmasta | yap |
| 13:58.26 | cutmasta | one lick |
| 13:58.27 | cutmasta | click |
| 13:58.31 | cutmasta | is better |
| 13:58.38 | cutmasta | and the only way :) |
| 13:58.43 | anno^da | re |
| 13:58.43 | michaelnovakjr | yyea |
| 13:58.49 | cutmasta | wb anno^da |
| 13:58.49 | anno^da | I hate touchpads at all :D |
| 13:58.53 | michaelnovakjr | its totally annoying |
| 13:59.04 | michaelnovakjr | i usually end up using an external mouse all the time |
| 13:59.13 | michaelnovakjr | how's bluetooth support? |
| 13:59.14 | cutmasta | dito |
| 13:59.20 | michaelnovakjr | are you using 8.04? |
| 13:59.22 | cutmasta | never tried the bluettoh support |
| 13:59.23 | cutmasta | hehe |
| 13:59.46 | cutmasta | 8.04 |
| 13:59.48 | cutmasta | yes |
| 13:59.50 | michaelnovakjr | rEFIt is cool |
| 14:00.03 | anno^da | Are you using Compiz Fusion ? |
| 14:00.05 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 14:00.13 | anno^da | How fast is it on the MBP? |
| 14:00.22 | michaelnovakjr | its pretty fast |
| 14:00.31 | anno^da | On my desktop here its so damn slow that it isnt much fun :D |
| 14:00.32 | cutmasta | macbook pro is fast as hell |
| 14:00.38 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 14:00.44 | michaelnovakjr | i put 2 gigs of ram in mine |
| 14:00.49 | cutmasta | 4gb here |
| 14:00.49 | cutmasta | hehe |
| 14:00.50 | anno^da | (I know that I'm writing from my MBP ;) ) |
| 14:01.00 | michaelnovakjr | i have a first gen |
| 14:01.07 | michaelnovakjr | maxes at 2 gigs |
| 14:01.11 | cutmasta | ah, ok. i got it weeks ago |
| 14:01.19 | cutmasta | the keyboard backlight |
| 14:01.21 | cutmasta | rules |
| 14:01.30 | michaelnovakjr | i am planning a dual layer burner and 500 gig hard drive in mine |
| 14:01.40 | cutmasta | michaelnovakjr, ip upgrade my harddisc |
| 14:01.44 | cutmasta | to a smaller 200gb |
| 14:01.44 | anno^da | yeah, but I'm using it more as a desktop machine :) |
| 14:01.51 | cutmasta | instead the 350gb default |
| 14:01.57 | anno^da | I've upgraded it to a 7200 RPM disk |
| 14:02.02 | cutmasta | yap |
| 14:02.08 | cutmasta | me too |
| 14:02.16 | anno^da | and the difference is very big compared to 5400 |
| 14:02.29 | michaelnovakjr | totally |
| 14:02.31 | cutmasta | and bought an external drive with firewire |
| 14:02.37 | cutmasta | to store much data |
| 14:02.39 | michaelnovakjr | yea, i have firewire too |
| 14:02.43 | michaelnovakjr | i love firewire |
| 14:02.45 | cutmasta | yes |
| 14:02.53 | cutmasta | usb wracks up the whole io |
| 14:02.57 | anno^da | Do you have NAS devices at home ? |
| 14:03.11 | cutmasta | no |
| 14:03.15 | anno^da | at the moment I'm using an firwire device as well |
| 14:03.33 | michaelnovakjr | i have a windows file server |
| 14:03.36 | anno^da | But a backup solution for all computers here would be nice |
| 14:03.45 | michaelnovakjr | and a freebsd svn/git replicated server setup |
| 14:03.54 | michaelnovakjr | and a redhat zimbra mail server at home |
| 14:04.04 | cutmasta | michaelnovakjr, zimbra :( |
| 14:04.12 | michaelnovakjr | zimbra is awesome |
| 14:04.21 | cutmasta | michaelnovakjr, you tried open-xchange ? |
| 14:04.21 | anno^da | The thing is I want it easy :). I havent much time configuring the things. |
| 14:04.22 | cutmasta | :) |
| 14:04.36 | michaelnovakjr | cutmasta, nope.. never heard of it? |
| 14:04.37 | cutmasta | anno^da, yap, this is also my way for things |
| 14:05.03 | cutmasta | michaelnovakjr, open-xchange.com |
| 14:05.07 | cutmasta | or #open-xchange |
| 14:05.15 | cutmasta | :) |
| 14:05.17 | michaelnovakjr | cool |
| 14:05.31 | cutmasta | or ask me |
| 14:05.38 | cutmasta | i work there :) |
| 14:05.44 | michaelnovakjr | oh cool |
| 14:06.09 | cutmasta | google would be a cool place to work |
| 14:06.09 | cutmasta | hehe |
| 14:06.19 | anno^da | Ahhh I was at the website and it reminded me of the cruel Flash Player for osx |
| 14:06.39 | cutmasta | hehe |
| 14:06.54 | cutmasta | michaelnovakjr, but open-xchange is more for hosters |
| 14:07.00 | cutmasta | which want multi tenant |
| 14:07.04 | anno^da | the cpu usage goes up to 80% and the fans speed up to an annoying noise |
| 14:07.22 | cutmasta | like 1and1.com |
| 14:07.42 | cutmasta | anno^da, your mbp is loud? |
| 14:07.52 | cutmasta | i never head the cpu fans |
| 14:07.56 | cutmasta | heard |
| 14:08.04 | cutmasta | until i started eclipse :) |
| 14:08.09 | cutmasta | for compiling |
| 14:08.32 | michaelnovakjr | eclipse is yucky |
| 14:08.45 | anno^da | It's hot in here :) |
| 14:08.59 | michaelnovakjr | hm i can't get the ubuntu cd to boot past the kernel on my mbp |
| 14:09.06 | cutmasta | michaelnovakjr, yap, it is |
| 14:09.11 | cutmasta | but its the default ide here |
| 14:09.12 | cutmasta | :( |
| 14:09.17 | michaelnovakjr | i see |
| 14:09.17 | cutmasta | i prefer netbeans |
| 14:09.25 | michaelnovakjr | i use the command line |
| 14:09.35 | cutmasta | for developing? |
| 14:09.38 | cutmasta | or for compiling |
| 14:09.42 | michaelnovakjr | both |
| 14:09.47 | cutmasta | i think it depends on project |
| 14:09.53 | cutmasta | for big project like open.-xchange |
| 14:09.54 | michaelnovakjr | true |
| 14:09.58 | cutmasta | ide is better way |
| 14:10.04 | cutmasta | 100000000 java files |
| 14:10.05 | michaelnovakjr | i do use ide's |
| 14:10.06 | cutmasta | and packages |
| 14:10.14 | michaelnovakjr | visual studio for example |
| 14:10.18 | cutmasta | ah |
| 14:10.21 | cutmasta | i c |
| 14:10.36 | michaelnovakjr | xcode |
| 14:12.23 | anno^da | mmmh when you say xcode I should look at objective c after the summer but dont have much experience with C/C++. How long should it take? (I like Java and Python) I'm no real coding freak. :) |
| 14:13.05 | michaelnovakjr | objective c is great |
| 14:13.15 | michaelnovakjr | if you don't know c first, i would start there |
| 14:13.28 | michaelnovakjr | it would help alot, as you can use C in Objective-C code |
| 14:14.04 | cutmasta | michaelnovakjr, i want to start with xcode |
| 14:14.10 | cutmasta | to develop sample widget for mac |
| 14:14.14 | cutmasta | just to try |
| 14:14.19 | anno^da | Ok then I will start with C again. I know C a little bit but havent done much with it. I don't know for a non coder guy like me it is easier to understand things like Python or Java. |
| 14:14.26 | michaelnovakjr | xcode is a nice ide |
| 14:14.37 | cutmasta | just click |
| 14:14.37 | cutmasta | ed |
| 14:14.42 | cutmasta | a bit in it |
| 14:14.43 | michaelnovakjr | cutmasta even doing a simple mac app would be a good start |
| 14:14.52 | cutmasta | hopefully |
| 14:15.00 | cutmasta | i only know java |
| 14:15.04 | cutmasta | and shell,perl |
| 14:15.06 | michaelnovakjr | any C? |
| 14:15.07 | cutmasta | stuff |
| 14:15.09 | cutmasta | no |
| 14:15.13 | cutmasta | never used c |
| 14:15.16 | cutmasta | in my live |
| 14:15.21 | michaelnovakjr | the interface builder is awesome |
| 14:15.26 | michaelnovakjr | wow never used C? |
| 14:15.31 | cutmasta | no |
| 14:15.33 | michaelnovakjr | did you study computers in college? |
| 14:15.47 | alex2308 | keep improving java, as it will help you later in business |
| 14:15.49 | cutmasta | nope, i just started working years ago |
| 14:15.52 | cutmasta | and learned java |
| 14:15.58 | cutmasta | while working with it |
| 14:16.17 | cutmasta | i love java, because i can write webapps |
| 14:16.19 | cutmasta | and serverapps |
| 14:16.25 | cutmasta | and so |
| 14:16.31 | alex2308 | true |
| 14:17.25 | michaelnovakjr | you can write c webservices too |
| 14:17.43 | michaelnovakjr | you can actually write webservices in like every language |
| 14:17.43 | anno^da | And guys I'd like to get a new mobile device right now. :) (after browsing through all the iPhone apps in the store :( ) |
| 14:18.00 | michaelnovakjr | are you writing an app anno^da ? |
| 14:18.18 | cutmasta | michaelnovakjr, i wrote for myself a webapp |
| 14:18.28 | cutmasta | to view my calendar and so on my movile |
| 14:18.29 | cutmasta | mobile |
| 14:18.37 | cutmasta | and to have my conbtacts all with me |
| 14:18.37 | alex2308 | michaelnovakjr you can even write it in ASM, but thats no fun |
| 14:18.55 | cutmasta | lol |
| 14:19.07 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 14:19.13 | anno^da | michaelnovakjr: just played with the SDK a little bit and have some mashup app in my head. |
| 14:19.28 | michaelnovakjr | i am looking to write a video application |
| 14:19.48 | anno^da | Yeah that would be cool. I would enjoy Miro for my mobile device. |
| 14:19.53 | anno^da | If you know Miro. |
| 14:20.59 | cutmasta | i will write an open-xchange mobile app |
| 14:21.09 | cutmasta | to have my data with me |
| 14:21.15 | michaelnovakjr | nic |
| 14:21.44 | anno^da | From my point of view someone should develope some nice UI widgets and animation. |
| 14:21.54 | cutmasta | yeah, eyecandy |
| 14:22.06 | cutmasta | like the whole iphone is |
| 14:22.20 | cutmasta | you take it your hand , just to slide |
| 14:22.24 | anno^da | thats the point. If you look at the apps in the app store. |
| 14:22.27 | cutmasta | from desktop a to b |
| 14:22.28 | cutmasta | and back |
| 14:22.33 | cutmasta | because of the nice effects |
| 14:22.35 | cutmasta | hehe |
| 14:22.37 | anno^da | they look polished |
| 14:22.46 | anno^da | every app looks polished |
| 14:22.57 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
| 14:23.03 | michaelnovakjr | they have widgets |
| 14:23.10 | anno^da | I know |
| 14:23.20 | anno^da | But the buttons look really ugly in Android. |
| 14:23.34 | michaelnovakjr | they look good on a device |
| 14:23.43 | anno^da | hmm yeah that might be. |
| 14:24.09 | anno^da | But if you look at the top 50 apps there are sooo much ugly interfaces :D |
| 14:24.36 | anno^da | (ok thats a very personal opionion) |
| 14:24.42 | anno^da | opinion |
| 14:25.04 | cutmasta | btw |
| 14:25.06 | cutmasta | http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2008/07/searching-on-iphone-can-be-fun.html |
| 14:25.11 | cutmasta | really usefull app |
| 14:25.15 | cutmasta | just search everything |
| 14:25.24 | cutmasta | local device and google at the same time |
| 14:25.30 | cutmasta | really good |
| 14:26.02 | michaelnovakjr | anno^da: i don't like the top 50 apps |
| 14:26.29 | anno^da | I like the remote app. Ok at the moment it is limited to the iTunes but an open remote app would be really nice. |
| 14:26.51 | cutmasta | for me it dont matter |
| 14:26.53 | cutmasta | if open or not |
| 14:26.54 | anno^da | michaelnovakjr: hmm yeah from my point of view there are too much "maps" applications |
| 14:26.59 | cutmasta | i just want to use it |
| 14:27.09 | anno^da | cutmasta: yeah but it has to support my player ;) |
| 14:27.14 | cutmasta | :) |
| 14:27.27 | anno^da | ok atm it is iTunes but itunes sucks :D |
| 14:30.36 | michaelnovakjr | i want a kick ass media system |
| 14:30.45 | michaelnovakjr | i want my phone to replace my ipod |
| 14:30.56 | cutmasta | yup |
| 14:31.01 | anno^da | yeah definetly |
| 14:31.02 | cutmasta | and my mavi in my car |
| 14:31.06 | cutmasta | navi |
| 14:31.14 | anno^da | I want to take my phone with me and the sound switches from one room to the next |
| 14:31.26 | anno^da | while I'm walking through them ;) |
| 14:31.27 | cutmasta | anno^da, ringtone? |
| 14:31.32 | cutmasta | or music? |
| 14:31.39 | cutmasta | should both possible |
| 14:31.43 | michaelnovakjr | ringtone... now that's a good idea |
| 14:31.44 | cutmasta | if gps is detailed enoght |
| 14:31.47 | anno^da | yeah both |
| 14:31.47 | alex2308 | l8er iphone dudez |
| 14:31.48 | alex2308 | im off |
| 14:31.53 | michaelnovakjr | have a ringtone creater on the phone |
| 14:31.54 | cutmasta | michaelnovakjr, with ringtone |
| 14:32.03 | cutmasta | this app already exists |
| 14:32.07 | michaelnovakjr | for android? |
| 14:32.11 | cutmasta | it switches your mobile profile |
| 14:32.14 | cutmasta | example |
| 14:32.18 | cutmasta | you are at home |
| 14:32.25 | cutmasta | ringtone is eminem |
| 14:32.26 | anno^da | To make it more abstract. The system follows me and not I have to follow the system :D |
| 14:32.28 | cutmasta | you are at work |
| 14:32.31 | cutmasta | no ringtone |
| 14:32.37 | cutmasta | just vibration is turned on |
| 14:32.37 | michaelnovakjr | that would be smart |
| 14:32.39 | cutmasta | automcatically |
| 14:32.42 | michaelnovakjr | i'll do it! |
| 14:32.47 | cutmasta | michaelnovakjr, it exists for android |
| 14:32.51 | anno^da | yeah |
| 14:32.55 | anno^da | it is in the top 50 |
| 14:32.55 | michaelnovakjr | is it good? |
| 14:32.59 | anno^da | dono |
| 14:32.59 | cutmasta | yap |
| 14:33.02 | cutmasta | think so |
| 14:33.04 | cutmasta | must be good |
| 14:33.05 | cutmasta | hehe |
| 14:33.10 | cutmasta | because its under the top 50 |
| 14:33.10 | cutmasta | hehe |
| 14:33.12 | cutmasta | wait |
| 14:33.20 | anno^da | michaelnovakjr: if you search for ideas look in the Openmoko Wikipedia |
| 14:33.50 | anno^da | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List |
| 14:33.57 | anno^da | So much great ideas |
| 14:34.02 | michaelnovakjr | nice |
| 14:34.21 | michaelnovakjr | just going on record as saying anything i write for android and release will be open source and free :) |
| 14:34.36 | anno^da | logged right now :D |
| 14:34.53 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 14:35.15 | anno^da | after implementing all the features in the wiki you are 70 :D |
| 14:35.22 | cutmasta | lol |
| 14:37.57 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 14:38.11 | michaelnovakjr | i'll be looking now |
| 14:38.22 | zhobbs_ | wow, that's quite a list |
| 14:39.03 | anno^da | haha yeah. I knew that it could be helpful following the Openmoko project :D |
| 14:39.20 | anno^da | (now I'm getting all the great apps by michaelnovakjr :D) |
| 14:40.07 | michaelnovakjr | i think i'm going to do the menustruation one ;) |
| 14:40.49 | cutmasta | bye all |
| 14:40.53 | cutmasta | nice weekend |
| 14:41.04 | *** part/#android cutmasta (n=cutmasta@62.225.134.181) |
| 14:42.02 | anno^da | haha michaelnovakjr |
| 14:42.26 | michaelnovakjr | that's an interesting one |
| 14:43.54 | michaelnovakjr | is it possible to emulate bluetooth in the emulator? |
| 14:44.15 | anno^da | nope it isnt |
| 14:44.45 | michaelnovakjr | damn |
| 14:45.12 | anno^da | http://code.google.com/android/reference/org/bluez/package-summary.html |
| 14:45.18 | anno^da | hmm maybe a bit :) |
| 14:49.26 | anno^da | What idea inspired you to develope an application ? |
| 14:50.05 | michaelnovakjr | i want a cool phone :) |
| 14:51.16 | anno^da | the first thing is |
| 14:51.24 | anno^da | I want a cool data plan :) |
| 14:51.38 | michaelnovakjr | i have sprint |
| 14:52.22 | anno^da | Unlimited access :) for let me say 30⬠/ month (50$ a month) |
| 14:52.41 | anno^da | like my normal DSL access right now |
| 14:53.59 | michaelnovakjr | true |
| 14:55.14 | anno^da | But thats not realistic at the moment. |
| 14:56.04 | anno^da | But if the developement goes on the network providers will downgrade to normal ISPs :) |
| 15:05.24 | *** join/#android yakischloba (n=jake@c-24-22-170-61.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 15:22.48 | *** join/#android muthu (n=sushmu@59.92.95.228) |
| 15:23.00 | muthu | who has the iphone? |
| 15:29.02 | muthu | oh, this is not #apple? ;) |
| 15:29.27 | tethridge | I want one |
| 15:29.31 | tethridge | google you suck! |
| 15:29.38 | tethridge | ah, now I feel better |
| 15:29.47 | tethridge | I'm tired of waiting |
| 15:30.09 | muthu | heard big lines waiting |
| 15:30.35 | tethridge | I'm going to wait for an android phone |
| 15:30.46 | muthu | me too |
| 15:30.55 | tethridge | I just hope the android phones deliver or I'll be in line for an iPhone |
| 15:31.28 | muthu | its still some time away |
| 15:31.48 | tethridge | probably next spring for me |
| 15:31.56 | tethridge | I currently use Sprint |
| 15:31.58 | muthu | why? |
| 15:32.05 | muthu | hmm |
| 15:32.08 | tethridge | my contract expires in Feb. |
| 15:32.25 | muthu | but get one before |
| 15:32.33 | tethridge | If I don't have an android phone from Sprint by then, then I'll probably jump ship |
| 15:32.43 | muthu | http://gigaom.com/2008/07/11/it-is-here-the-new-3g-iphone-unboxed/ |
| 15:33.11 | muthu | tethridge: you contract anyway expires, so why bother with sprint? |
| 15:33.27 | *** join/#android aculich (n=aculich@c-66-31-201-16.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 15:33.34 | tethridge | I'm not signing another contract, I'm just saying that I might stay with sprint if they have an android phone |
| 15:33.49 | tethridge | there all you can eat data plan only costs $15 for my current phone |
| 15:35.02 | tethridge | so I pay about $70 for 500 anytime minutes, nights and weekends starting at 7 and all data I want on my phone. I have a line for my wife and we share the package for that price. |
| 15:35.20 | tethridge | that's pretty cheap compared to the iPhone plans |
| 15:35.41 | tethridge | If I can just swap out my phone for an android phone I'd be happy |
| 15:41.02 | muthu | that's a great plan |
| 15:41.35 | *** join/#android matt_c (n=mcroydon@gozur.sunflowerbroadband.com) |
| 15:47.40 | *** join/#android Dralspire (n=dralspir@56-196.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 16:02.33 | *** join/#android SR71-Blackbird (n=nirvana@unaffiliated/sr71-blackbird) |
| 16:03.34 | *** part/#android muthu (n=sushmu@59.92.95.228) |
| 16:10.56 | *** join/#android AttractiveApe (n=phil@office.gossamer-threads.com) |
| 16:15.00 | *** join/#android TimRiker (n=timr@68-27-206-243.area1.spcsdns.net) |
| 16:24.57 | *** join/#android yakischloba (n=jake@rnkfoods.com) |
| 16:30.43 | *** join/#android romainguy_ (n=gfx@adsl-76-241-19-32.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 16:42.19 | *** join/#android soulreaper (i=soul@HSI-KBW-078-042-026-192.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 16:50.16 | *** join/#android eton_ (n=eton@ppp-58-8-2-204.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 17:14.04 | *** join/#android pandora-- (n=pandora-@66.238.50.126.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 17:21.50 | *** join/#android schoni (n=schoni@dslb-088-065-096-024.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:22.00 | schoni | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/3238442/ |
| 17:22.46 | *** part/#android schoni (n=schoni@dslb-088-065-096-024.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:36.07 | *** join/#android pombreda1 (n=pombreda@h-68-165-3-80.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 17:53.18 | *** join/#android romainguy_ (n=romaingu@nat/google/x-4c32100a9e0e2e3d) |
| 18:24.46 | *** join/#android BBHoss (n=hoss@adsl-230-0-204.hsv.bellsouth.net) |
| 18:31.37 | *** join/#android AttractiveApe (n=phil@office.gossamer-threads.com) |
| 18:40.47 | cain_22 | what is the eta for the android anyways? |
| 18:41.33 | f00f- | before december |
| 18:42.02 | cain_22 | think they'll make it....? |
| 18:42.24 | f00f- | they've insted tens of millions of dollars already |
| 18:42.27 | f00f- | i don't see why not |
| 18:43.10 | f00f- | *invested |
| 18:43.50 | cain_22 | heard there was problems with developing for it.... |
| 18:43.57 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
| 18:44.00 | f00f- | not really |
| 18:44.02 | michaelnovakjr | what problems? |
| 18:44.12 | f00f- | 1700+ people successfully developed apps for it |
| 18:44.18 | f00f- | it's nothing but joy :D |
| 18:44.22 | cain_22 | Don't recall, just something i read once... |
| 18:45.20 | cain_22 | what phones is it being developed for? |
| 18:45.22 | zhobbs_ | cain_22: SDK can be buggy |
| 18:45.37 | zhobbs_ | but the platform is great |
| 18:45.59 | michaelnovakjr | definitely great |
| 18:46.20 | davidw | wow: http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/5466544.jpg |
| 18:46.33 | davidw | "rainy" Oregon |
| 18:47.03 | cain_22 | heh, i just got caught in the in the rain yesterday |
| 18:47.19 | cain_22 | running that is... |
| 18:47.27 | cain_22 | nice view though... |
| 18:47.28 | f00f- | heh |
| 18:53.21 | cain_22 | whats the android based off of anways? |
| 18:53.42 | davidw | based off of? |
| 18:54.28 | f00f- | bro we need a faq |
| 18:54.33 | f00f- | too many newb questions, no offense |
| 18:54.50 | cain_22 | ouch..sorry, i'll refrain from questions...lol |
| 18:54.54 | zhobbs_ | hah |
| 18:55.11 | zhobbs_ | cain_22: http://code.google.com/android/kb/index.html |
| 18:55.12 | f00f- | cain_22: it's based on linux kernel with some open-source components but much of the environment comes from google and OHA partners |
| 18:56.48 | zhobbs_ | I thought about making a better FAQ on helloandroid.com for #android and android-* lists |
| 18:56.57 | f00f- | please do |
| 18:57.00 | f00f- | usenet style faqs |
| 18:57.09 | f00f- | that get reposted every 3 months or so |
| 18:58.20 | cain_22 | has anyone here devloped for it...? |
| 18:58.35 | michaelnovakjr | pretty much all of us |
| 19:00.11 | cain_22 | so clearly im the opposite end of the spectrum... |
| 19:01.42 | *** join/#android AstainHellbring (n=Administ@unaffiliated/astainhellbring) |
| 19:02.55 | *** join/#android zer0her0 (n=Z@64.241.37.140) |
| 19:03.24 | zhobbs_ | cain_22: you a developer? |
| 19:07.47 | cain_22 | negative...can barely wright in C... |
| 19:08.32 | yakischloba | can barely s/wright/write in english ;) |
| 19:08.41 | zer0her0 | ;) |
| 19:09.19 | f00f- | lollers |
| 19:09.43 | cain_22 | heh.. |
| 19:13.00 | cain_22 | i wanna pick programing up more...but find it difficult to find the time... |
| 19:15.36 | *** join/#android AttractiveApe (n=phil@office.gossamer-threads.com) |
| 19:20.13 | *** join/#android borism (n=boris@195-50-205-216-dsl.krw.estpak.ee) |
| 19:21.59 | zhobbs_ | cain_22: java is much easier than C |
| 19:23.13 | *** part/#android zhobbs_ (n=zach@mail.guardianmfg.com) |
| 19:26.16 | *** join/#android ken_ (n=user@84.92.70.37) |
| 19:47.14 | *** join/#android AstainZZZZZZ (n=Administ@unaffiliated/astainhellbring) |
| 19:55.15 | cain_22 | I'll keep that in mind, but I was thinking of learning perl... |
| 19:58.08 | f00f- | hahaha |
| 19:58.10 | f00f- | bro for mobile |
| 19:58.12 | f00f- | learn java |
| 19:58.17 | f00f- | or python |
| 19:58.22 | f00f- | but mostly java |
| 20:00.48 | davidw | or Hecl, of course, if you just want something simple to get started with |
| 20:05.39 | yakischloba | hmm |
| 20:05.44 | yakischloba | never seen Hecl before |
| 20:05.45 | yakischloba | cute |
| 20:06.29 | *** join/#android pombreda (n=pombreda@144.189.5.201) |
| 20:15.26 | f00f- | you still gotta fix problems with hecl |
| 20:15.32 | f00f- | regarding operators |
| 20:15.38 | f00f- | $i 10 < |
| 20:15.39 | f00f- | or whatever |
| 20:17.13 | yakischloba | Doesn't look like something I'd sink time into. |
| 20:17.49 | f00f- | i think there is value of having client-side scripting |
| 20:17.54 | f00f- | that is light-weight |
| 20:17.58 | f00f- | maybe even lighter than Lua :) |
| 20:18.05 | f00f- | but if it's not straightforward and logical, it's a no-go |
| 20:19.07 | jerkface03 | there's about a billion different basic interpreters for various mobile platforms |
| 20:19.13 | jerkface03 | doesn't get any more straightforward than basic |
| 20:20.27 | f00f- | not all of them are good |
| 20:22.14 | jerkface03 | good? basic is basic |
| 20:22.38 | jerkface03 | i'm looking at the ANSI specs for it right now |
| 20:23.21 | f00f- | basic is lame |
| 20:23.22 | f00f- | no OO |
| 20:23.30 | f00f- | not tha ti'm saying we need OO |
| 20:23.37 | f00f- | but OO notation for data structures is a must |
| 20:23.51 | f00f- | x.blah = 'jerkface' |
| 20:26.18 | yakischloba | si |
| 20:32.22 | davidw | f00f-, Hecl is extremely simple: everything is a command |
| 20:32.26 | davidw | so it's < $i 10 |
| 20:32.43 | davidw | and it's unlikely we're going to fix it, because we want to be small enough to run where other people can't |
| 20:32.49 | davidw | 'fix' it |
| 20:32.51 | davidw | it's very consistent |
| 20:33.28 | davidw | you can't get more straightforward and logical than how it's done |
| 20:34.10 | davidw | think of it as less_than($i, 10) |
| 20:35.14 | jerkface03 | lol |
| 20:35.15 | davidw | I will admit that by making it a little bit less straightforward, it might be possible to make it more human readable and similar to other languages |
| 20:35.26 | davidw | but that comes at a cost |
| 20:35.26 | jerkface03 | what do you call that again? infix operators? |
| 20:35.32 | davidw | prefix operators |
| 20:35.36 | jerkface03 | right right |
| 20:35.44 | jerkface03 | very confusing |
| 20:35.58 | davidw | well, for about 10 minutes, then you get it |
| 20:36.23 | f00f- | i see the rationale, but i think you could just implement a simple look-ahead parser |
| 20:38.35 | davidw | what I'd be more likely to do is support something smalltalk like where < is a 'method' of certain types |
| 20:38.50 | davidw | but the jury is out on that and it's not a priority at the moment |
| 20:40.28 | *** join/#android aculich (n=aculich@c-76-24-31-156.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 20:58.55 | *** join/#android convivial (n=convivia@c-98-226-60-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 20:59.37 | *** join/#android mazzen (n=mortel@u30-237.dsl.vianetworks.de) |
| 21:04.37 | *** join/#android convivial (n=convivia@c-98-226-60-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 21:16.46 | *** join/#android The_PHP_Jedi (n=ThePHPJe@65-23-223-45.prtc.net) |
| 21:27.10 | *** join/#android eton (n=eton@ppp-58-8-2-186.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 21:32.34 | *** join/#android zhobbs (n=zach@132.245.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 21:50.55 | *** join/#android The_PHP_Jedi (n=ThePHPJe@unaffiliated/thephpjedi/x-000002) |
| 22:39.11 | *** join/#android AttractiveApe (n=phil@office.gossamer-threads.com) |
| 23:06.17 | *** join/#android pebs (n=pebs@176.Red-83-56-240.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:06.30 | pebs | hi, any way of getting google android (with emulator) running on ASUS P535 (intel CPU)?? |
| 23:08.03 | *** join/#android pebs_ (n=pebs@176.Red-83-56-240.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:08.19 | *** part/#android pebs_ (n=pebs@176.Red-83-56-240.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:10.59 | *** part/#android cain_22 (n=cain@cblmdm72-241-226-143.buckeyecom.net) |
| 23:38.00 | *** part/#android AttractiveApe (n=phil@office.gossamer-threads.com) |
| 23:44.01 | *** join/#android pandora-- (n=pandora-@66.238.50.126.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 23:50.45 | *** join/#android duey (n=Nick@203.96.223.40) |
