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| 00:10.36 | yakischloba_ | jasta: ATE is pretty good |
| 00:31.32 | jasta | damn right |
| 00:31.50 | jasta | zhobbs: it sucks just as much as it does in windows |
| 00:45.25 | michaelnovakjr_ | use epiphany with flash |
| 00:45.32 | michaelnovakjr_ | works better than firefox on linu |
| 00:45.33 | michaelnovakjr_ | x |
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| 00:50.24 | michaelnovakjr_ | what res is good for app icons in android |
| 00:51.09 | romainguy_ | 48x48 |
| 00:51.12 | romainguy_ | at least |
| 00:51.23 | michaelnovakjr_ | cool |
| 00:51.32 | michaelnovakjr_ | is that what size you use romainguy? |
| 00:53.29 | romainguy_ | michaelnovakjr_: it's the size I display apps icons at in the Home screen |
| 00:53.39 | michaelnovakjr_ | ok cool |
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| 01:13.19 | Dougie187 | Good evening. |
| 01:19.26 | michaelnovakjr_ | howdy |
| 01:19.38 | Dougie187 | hows it going? |
| 01:19.47 | michaelnovakjr_ | good good, you? |
| 01:19.53 | Dougie187 | pretty good |
| 01:19.55 | Dougie187 | guess what i got |
| 01:20.01 | michaelnovakjr_ | thinkpad? |
| 01:20.23 | Dougie187 | yup |
| 01:20.25 | Dougie187 | it came today |
| 01:20.29 | michaelnovakjr_ | sweet |
| 01:20.55 | Dougie187 | its pretty sweet |
| 01:20.57 | Dougie187 | im on it right now |
| 01:21.04 | michaelnovakjr_ | linux? |
| 01:21.13 | Dougie187 | yup |
| 01:21.15 | Dougie187 | ubuntu |
| 01:21.19 | michaelnovakjr_ | nice |
| 01:21.55 | Dougie187 | i found out the keyboard is spill proof. |
| 01:22.02 | Dougie187 | you can dump water on it and it has drains |
| 01:22.03 | Dougie187 | two of them |
| 01:22.04 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 01:22.19 | michaelnovakjr_ | haha |
| 01:26.02 | michaelnovakjr_ | romainguy_ still around? |
| 01:26.06 | romainguy_ | yes |
| 01:26.19 | michaelnovakjr_ | i can have a grid view of views right? |
| 01:26.25 | romainguy_ | er yes |
| 01:26.30 | michaelnovakjr_ | :) |
| 01:26.46 | michaelnovakjr_ | i'm a little rusty with android, its been awhile since i have even looked at code |
| 01:27.25 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 01:27.31 | Dougie187 | what made you pick it back up? |
| 01:27.39 | michaelnovakjr_ | boredom |
| 01:27.49 | michaelnovakjr_ | and i'm playing around with the HTC Touch |
| 01:27.56 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 01:27.56 | Dougie187 | you should play diablo 2 with jasta and me |
| 01:28.05 | michaelnovakjr_ | computer? |
| 01:28.12 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 01:28.37 | michaelnovakjr_ | i whipped up a quick remote logger so i can see the log output in realtime |
| 01:28.45 | michaelnovakjr_ | from the phone that is |
| 01:46.08 | Dougie187 | have you ordered a new laptop yet michaelnovakjr_? |
| 01:47.13 | michaelnovakjr_ | not yet |
| 01:47.23 | michaelnovakjr_ | still happy with the macbook pro |
| 01:47.37 | michaelnovakjr_ | i will before the end of the year |
| 01:49.27 | Dougie187 | thats cool |
| 01:49.34 | Dougie187 | this one is pretty awesome so far. |
| 01:49.36 | Dougie187 | im loving it |
| 01:51.15 | michaelnovakjr_ | sweet |
| 01:51.20 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea i like thinkpads |
| 01:57.19 | Dougie187 | the only thing that i would say i dont like about it is the trackpad is so close to the edge. |
| 01:57.30 | Dougie187 | but thats not a huge issue. especially since you have the trackpoint. |
| 01:57.38 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea, i like the trackpoint |
| 01:57.45 | michaelnovakjr_ | i loath trackpads |
| 01:57.53 | Dougie187 | i changed the tip of the trackpoint to the concave one too |
| 01:57.56 | Dougie187 | its awesome |
| 01:58.03 | michaelnovakjr_ | as a matter of fact i have a wireless mouse hooked up to my laptop right now ;) |
| 01:58.03 | Dougie187 | i have been using it a lot more then i thought i would |
| 01:58.09 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 01:58.17 | Dougie187 | i have one that i play games with |
| 01:58.26 | Dougie187 | but if im not playing games they i would rather not have one. |
| 02:00.11 | michaelnovakjr_ | i am using the bluetooth mightymouse |
| 02:00.18 | michaelnovakjr_ | works great with linux |
| 02:10.54 | Dougie187 | im trying to get a package called tpctl to work. |
| 02:11.06 | Dougie187 | but i dont know if im going to get it to work correctly. and i havent really tried yet. |
| 02:11.15 | michaelnovakjr_ | what is it exactly? |
| 02:11.54 | Dougie187 | its like a controller for some thinkpad specific things. like touch to click on the trackpoint |
| 02:12.04 | Dougie187 | and some other things. |
| 02:12.23 | Dougie187 | i found a package too that makes the led light blink when you get a message in thinkpad. |
| 02:12.23 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 02:12.29 | michaelnovakjr_ | sweet |
| 02:13.27 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 02:13.33 | Dougie187 | i didnt install it yet but its in the repos |
| 02:13.40 | Dougie187 | im just trying to get everything else set up |
| 02:14.12 | michaelnovakjr_ | nice |
| 02:14.18 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea, its a process |
| 02:14.30 | Dougie187 | yeah |
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| 02:46.55 | jasta | michaelnovakjr_: hey, i'll help with the file manager if you want |
| 02:46.55 | jasta | just give me something tod o :) |
| 02:46.56 | michaelnovakjr_ | :) |
| 02:47.07 | jasta | is it called glance? |
| 02:47.11 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea |
| 02:47.23 | michaelnovakjr_ | i am figuring out the best way to arrange the layout |
| 02:47.43 | michaelnovakjr_ | i was thinking either a folder icon, app icon, or file icon depending on the type |
| 02:47.49 | michaelnovakjr_ | with the name underneath |
| 02:47.57 | jasta | why not just do a list with icons on the left? |
| 02:48.09 | jasta | that correspond to the type of file |
| 02:48.10 | michaelnovakjr_ | could do that too |
| 02:48.19 | jasta | that would be the simplest interface |
| 02:48.25 | michaelnovakjr_ | i had envisioned a gridview |
| 02:48.32 | michaelnovakjr_ | but listview works |
| 02:48.40 | michaelnovakjr_ | and is a wee bit easier :) |
| 02:49.18 | michaelnovakjr_ | if you want... we can split the layout and file level work |
| 02:49.21 | jasta | it'll need to have most of its interface in a long click though |
| 02:49.32 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea |
| 02:49.32 | jasta | sure :) |
| 02:49.34 | jasta | brb |
| 02:49.40 | michaelnovakjr_ | wanna do the UI? |
| 02:49.42 | michaelnovakjr_ | ok |
| 03:03.52 | yakischloba_ | you are making a file manager for android? |
| 03:03.58 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea |
| 03:04.02 | yakischloba_ | cool |
| 03:04.12 | yakischloba_ | sounds useful..im surprised no one has needed one yet |
| 03:04.16 | michaelnovakjr_ | working on a few apps to mess around with on the touch |
| 03:04.41 | michaelnovakjr_ | i believe there was an m3 one, but it was more or less a demo if i understood correctly |
| 03:05.03 | yakischloba_ | how are people running android on their phones? with haret or some other bootloader? |
| 03:05.25 | michaelnovakjr_ | haret |
| 03:05.34 | michaelnovakjr_ | you have a vogue/touch? |
| 03:05.37 | yakischloba_ | and is it functional/stable? |
| 03:05.39 | yakischloba_ | no neither |
| 03:05.52 | michaelnovakjr_ | its well, you know.... |
| 03:06.02 | michaelnovakjr_ | its not bad, but not alot of functionality |
| 03:06.11 | yakischloba_ | yeah. Does calling and SMS work? |
| 03:06.11 | michaelnovakjr_ | you can make calls on it and send txt messages |
| 03:06.14 | yakischloba_ | oh |
| 03:06.18 | michaelnovakjr_ | use the browser |
| 03:06.28 | yakischloba_ | Is it slow? |
| 03:06.41 | michaelnovakjr_ | its cell speeds |
| 03:06.53 | michaelnovakjr_ | the browser is nice |
| 03:07.36 | yakischloba_ | Is it a more useful testbed than the emulator? |
| 03:07.47 | michaelnovakjr_ | still testing that theory out |
| 03:07.57 | michaelnovakjr_ | as far as getting a feel for the UI sure |
| 03:08.01 | yakischloba_ | yeah of course |
| 03:08.14 | yakischloba_ | whats boot time like? |
| 03:08.15 | michaelnovakjr_ | just a few things behave differently |
| 03:08.32 | michaelnovakjr_ | i haven't updated to the latest software but i have heard its much quicker |
| 03:08.43 | michaelnovakjr_ | i heard a bit faster than the emulator |
| 03:09.12 | michaelnovakjr_ | i'm updating my device tonight |
| 03:09.23 | michaelnovakjr_ | i wrote a remote log viewer for it |
| 03:09.29 | yakischloba_ | hmm. Is it stable enough that anyone is using it as their daily phone? |
| 03:09.32 | michaelnovakjr_ | so i can get logcat on my machine |
| 03:09.46 | michaelnovakjr_ | if you don't use your phone for much :) |
| 03:09.56 | michaelnovakjr_ | no email and battery and time don't update |
| 03:09.57 | yakischloba_ | heh |
| 03:10.01 | yakischloba_ | gotcha |
| 03:10.10 | michaelnovakjr_ | its fun to mess around with though |
| 03:10.20 | michaelnovakjr_ | it is certainly going to be a killer phone |
| 03:10.57 | yakischloba_ | yeah. I watched a couple vids a long time ago of google folks playing around with devices. |
| 03:11.09 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea, i love it |
| 03:11.22 | michaelnovakjr_ | i haven't seen an email clients floating around.... have you? |
| 03:11.36 | yakischloba_ | None, but I have barely peeked at anyones apps. |
| 03:11.38 | michaelnovakjr_ | other than the obvious gmail client |
| 03:12.13 | yakischloba_ | So is this just an image from the SDK that the emulator uses or something? |
| 03:12.20 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea |
| 03:12.30 | michaelnovakjr_ | it apparently is running a much more up to date kernel |
| 03:12.54 | michaelnovakjr_ | which i think might have some undesired results as far as the userspace is concerned |
| 03:13.05 | yakischloba_ | What is? the emulator? |
| 03:13.13 | michaelnovakjr_ | the haret devices |
| 03:13.46 | yakischloba_ | oh. are people compiling their own kernels then? |
| 03:13.48 | michaelnovakjr_ | the kernel is in the git repo |
| 03:13.58 | michaelnovakjr_ | git.android.com |
| 03:14.17 | michaelnovakjr_ | there's also an elf compiler for linux |
| 03:14.27 | michaelnovakjr_ | i've ran a few elementary C apps in the emulator |
| 03:14.34 | yakischloba_ | hm |
| 03:14.57 | michaelnovakjr_ | not sure what security precautions google will take though |
| 03:15.13 | michaelnovakjr_ | right now there's not much :) |
| 03:15.42 | yakischloba_ | So the kernel work is public despite the SDK not |
| 03:15.56 | michaelnovakjr_ | that is the impression i got |
| 03:16.49 | yakischloba_ | Has anyone gotten it to boot natively on a device? |
| 03:17.03 | yakischloba_ | I mean I've seen pics and stuff but |
| 03:17.06 | yakischloba_ | any projects? |
| 03:17.25 | michaelnovakjr_ | not that i know of |
| 03:17.29 | michaelnovakjr_ | i was going to try it |
| 03:17.41 | michaelnovakjr_ | but it would be hard with some of the hardware |
| 03:18.00 | michaelnovakjr_ | and since the interface isn't all that complete battery life would be a mere guess |
| 03:18.16 | michaelnovakjr_ | bootstrapping from winmo isn't too bad though |
| 03:19.15 | michaelnovakjr_ | you writing anything? |
| 03:20.15 | yakischloba_ | I had an idea for an app and I jumped in and started learning but I've been on a mini-vacation this week |
| 03:20.51 | michaelnovakjr_ | cool, you're the one who's new to java right? |
| 03:20.51 | yakischloba_ | I intended to spend a great part of it doing android stuff but it hasn't turned out that way |
| 03:20.55 | yakischloba_ | yeah |
| 03:21.01 | michaelnovakjr_ | java is interesting |
| 03:21.11 | yakischloba_ | I like it so far |
| 03:21.15 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea |
| 03:21.27 | yakischloba_ | coming from your most-hated (ruby,) its not really that different. Just more structured. |
| 03:21.37 | michaelnovakjr_ | :) |
| 03:21.44 | yakischloba_ | which I'm finding to be nice. |
| 03:22.29 | michaelnovakjr_ | what i recommend is starting out with simple yet useful apps |
| 03:22.37 | michaelnovakjr_ | even if they already exist |
| 03:22.43 | yakischloba_ | ehh yeah. I'm never good at holding myself back doing that ;) |
| 03:22.51 | yakischloba_ | I'm the type to jump in over my head at every opportunity hah |
| 03:23.05 | michaelnovakjr_ | i'm the same wya |
| 03:23.57 | yakischloba_ | So far I just have to check on syntactic differences of Java occasionally...its the Android stuff that kinda holds me up. Its a lot to take in at first. |
| 03:24.44 | michaelnovakjr_ | true |
| 03:24.55 | michaelnovakjr_ | syntax wise... damn is there a difference :) |
| 03:25.07 | michaelnovakjr_ | java is a strict type language |
| 03:25.11 | yakischloba_ | or at least it is for me because I haven't worked with a big SDK like this before |
| 03:25.18 | michaelnovakjr_ | ruby, well... they make up their own rules :0 |
| 03:25.24 | yakischloba_ | heh yeah |
| 03:25.26 | yakischloba_ | I keep thinking like |
| 03:25.41 | yakischloba_ | wait, this is gonna be a string now but...am I fucked if I need it to be an int later?.. |
| 03:25.46 | yakischloba_ | ;) |
| 03:26.02 | michaelnovakjr_ | you can create an Integer class like.... |
| 03:26.29 | michaelnovakjr_ | Integer intClass = new Integer( stringVal ); ... then to get a primitive int you can do intClass.intValue(); |
| 03:26.51 | yakischloba_ | cool |
| 03:27.05 | michaelnovakjr_ | its a bit of work just to get a primitive type but... |
| 03:27.14 | michaelnovakjr_ | it works |
| 03:27.17 | yakischloba_ | we don't have primitive types in ruby ;) |
| 03:27.21 | michaelnovakjr_ | :) |
| 03:27.47 | yakischloba_ | heh. So anyway, its just a matter of remembering to do stuff like that (declare types) |
| 03:27.52 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea |
| 03:27.57 | yakischloba_ | the syntax differences don't bother me at all really, i barely notice |
| 03:28.09 | michaelnovakjr_ | i never remember language specifics |
| 03:28.22 | michaelnovakjr_ | i always have the docs window handy |
| 03:28.34 | yakischloba_ | yeah. I keep it up at all times. and about 15 android docs windows. |
| 03:28.43 | michaelnovakjr_ | i remember the basics but I use quite a few languages on a regular basis and well I have a crappy memory |
| 03:29.48 | yakischloba_ | hehe |
| 03:31.24 | jasta | yeah |
| 03:32.07 | michaelnovakjr_ | howdy |
| 03:32.34 | yakischloba_ | yeah its been a lot to take in but I just kind of sit back and let it soak in. stuff like content providers and the magical R.java have confused me a little but I think i'm getting the hang of it |
| 03:32.46 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea, that's all Android specific stuff |
| 03:32.58 | michaelnovakjr_ | that had me stumped when i started |
| 03:33.08 | yakischloba_ | heh |
| 03:33.18 | romainguy_ | michaelnovakjr_: Integer intClass = new Integer( stringVal ); ... then to get a primitive int you can do intClass.intValue(); << no you don't have to do this |
| 03:33.33 | romainguy_ | auto unboxing will give you the primitive :) |
| 03:33.42 | romainguy_ | or you can use directly Integer.parseInt() |
| 03:33.45 | yakischloba_ | in ruby we say intClass.to_s |
| 03:33.51 | michaelnovakjr_ | ah yes parseInt |
| 03:34.13 | romainguy_ | yakischloba_: doesn't that convert an int to a string? |
| 03:34.25 | michaelnovakjr_ | yes |
| 03:34.25 | yakischloba_ | Oh we're going the other way I forgot. |
| 03:34.25 | michaelnovakjr_ | :) |
| 03:34.26 | yakischloba_ | string.to_i |
| 03:34.30 | yakischloba_ | there. |
| 03:34.44 | michaelnovakjr_ | ah, that's what documentation is for :) |
| 03:35.04 | michaelnovakjr_ | i write myself quite a few notes because of my memory |
| 03:36.06 | michaelnovakjr_ | i have to remember the java at work is terrible.... so coming home to program android should be good java... that way i dont lose my mind |
| 03:36.41 | yakischloba_ | so if I have different java files, does the 'package' declaration make sure they all get 'require'd (as we would say in ruby)? (at least in the context of android and eclipse) |
| 03:36.55 | jasta | yakischloba_: let me caution you for a moment. |
| 03:37.04 | yakischloba_ | jasta: shoot |
| 03:37.05 | romainguy_ | yakischloba_: require is import in Java |
| 03:37.07 | jasta | do not learn a language in terms of another. it will destroy your abilities. |
| 03:37.19 | yakischloba_ | Ok ok. |
| 03:37.29 | yakischloba_ | Does it make sure that everything gets together? |
| 03:37.40 | michaelnovakjr_ | if the package declaration is at the top yes |
| 03:37.43 | jasta | Languages are rarely designed in terms of another, and so you should not learn them that way. |
| 03:38.01 | yakischloba_ | forgets ruby |
| 03:38.10 | jasta | For example, in this sense, require is not import. Require is a runtime directive, import is not. |
| 03:38.39 | michaelnovakjr_ | each file you want in the package should have the package declaration at the top. |
| 03:38.44 | michaelnovakjr_ | brb switching computers |
| 03:39.23 | yakischloba_ | Ok. So for example if I had a separate file for my data access stuff, putting the package declaration at the top would ensure that it gets put together with everything else? |
| 03:40.04 | romainguy_ | yakischloba_: you should go read a tutorial about Java |
| 03:40.10 | yakischloba_ | romainguy_: Thanks ;) |
| 03:40.17 | romainguy_ | no seriously |
| 03:40.25 | romainguy_ | we can't just teach you the basics of Java right here :) |
| 03:40.53 | yakischloba_ | I wasn't asking you to. Sorry I brought it up ;) |
| 03:40.57 | muthu | yakischloba_: android is pretty easy once you know java basics |
| 03:41.23 | yakischloba_ | shuts up |
| 03:41.29 | romainguy_ | yakischloba_: that's not what I meant :) |
| 03:41.35 | romainguy_ | we'd be happy to help |
| 03:41.43 | romainguy_ | but you'll learn faster and better with a good tutorial/book |
| 03:42.54 | yakischloba_ | I'd ask in #java if I had a Java question. I don't know quite how that came up but it was not intentional. I wouldn't expect anyone here to help me with anything. |
| 03:44.09 | yakischloba_ | I was just shooting the shit with michaelnovakjr. I'll keep it on topic from now on. |
| 03:54.01 | michaelnovakjr__ | its all good, we were just discussing java |
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| 12:37.53 | Dougie187 | Good morning. |
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| 13:57.31 | TSchultz55 | hey |
| 13:57.39 | TSchultz55 | has anyone been following http://git.android.com/?p=kernel.git;a=summary |
| 13:57.50 | TSchultz55 | to check up on latest Android progress? |
| 14:01.50 | TSchultz55 | not so much the SDK but the kernel |
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| 16:55.27 | dmoffett | Good Morning! Great day to get out on the Hobie Cat! |
| 16:56.03 | muthu1 | dmoffett: howdy! |
| 16:56.22 | dmoffett | Is this the real Muthu or a wanna be? |
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| 18:17.42 | yakischloba | mornin |
| 18:21.19 | anno^da | Google is going to blow the doors off of the industry and turn carriers into dumb pipes for delivering data. <- haha hopefully this will happen. :) |
| 18:21.23 | anno^da | http://androidguys.com/2008/07/19/trying-to-unring-a-bell/ |
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| 18:27.57 | yakischloba | Wouldn't that be nice |
| 18:30.42 | anno^da | haha the interview that was taken down is still in the Google cache |
| 18:30.53 | anno^da | http://74.125.39.104/search?q=cache:iwKsSV-Rb9cJ:androidguys.com/2008/07/14/talking-android-with-sprints-manager-of-mobile-devices/+Talking+Android+With+Sprint%E2%80%99s+Manager+of+Mobile+Devices&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=de&client=firefox-a |
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| 18:38.42 | anno^da | Open access (building a device to work on a network without requiring a carrierâs consent) is not a practical reality (yet). This is not a technical limitation, itâs a business one. <- How I hate that business bullshit ah :( |
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| 18:42.02 | yakischloba | OpenMoko is setting a good precedent I think |
| 18:43.11 | yakischloba | If someone had a stable phone running android I'd gladly pay god knows how much to avoid carrier tampering and lock-in |
| 18:43.36 | anno^da | Definetly |
| 18:44.05 | anno^da | The problem is that the US market is totally different to the european market |
| 18:44.23 | yakischloba | It'll be interesting to see where they go..They're a long ways off but have had an outstanding amount of interest and support come out recently with their latest handset |
| 18:44.31 | anno^da | Do you know if it is possible in the us to get a unbranded mobile ? |
| 18:44.54 | romainguy__ | anno^da: unlocked you mean? |
| 18:45.01 | yakischloba | You can buy 'unlocked' handsets |
| 18:45.25 | yakischloba | such that you can use any carrier |
| 18:45.44 | anno^da | Hmm romainguy yeah I would say there is a difference. In Germany you have a lot of branded devices but no device is locked. (except the iPhone) |
| 18:46.10 | romainguy | what do you call branded? |
| 18:47.05 | anno^da | Having the brand of for example T-Mobile on the hardware of the device. Or having keys assigned to special functions. |
| 18:47.23 | romainguy | ah yes |
| 18:47.28 | romainguy | when you buy the phone subsidized |
| 18:47.41 | anno^da | In Germany I can go to the Noka store and have nothing of that. |
| 18:48.22 | romainguy | in France you can do the same |
| 18:48.22 | anno^da | Yeah |
| 18:48.22 | romainguy | in the US I've never seen that |
| 18:48.22 | anno^da | Really? |
| 18:48.22 | romainguy | yes |
| 18:48.22 | anno^da | You cant buy a Nokia device in the store? |
| 18:48.28 | anno^da | Sold by Nokia. :) |
| 18:48.30 | romainguy | nope |
| 18:48.32 | Kraln | nope |
| 18:48.34 | anno^da | Wow. |
| 18:48.39 | Kraln | carriers have us by the balls here |
| 18:48.43 | anno^da | :/ |
| 18:48.45 | romainguy | if you get your phone with Verizon you don't even have a SIM card |
| 18:48.56 | anno^da | Thats what I mean by difference in the US market |
| 18:49.02 | romainguy | I used to think carriers where harsh in Europe, they're nothing compared to the US |
| 18:49.03 | anno^da | compared to the european market. |
| 18:50.05 | anno^da | So you cant access the network from phones that are not "unlocked" for the network? |
| 18:50.06 | jasta | well, let's clarify one point. |
| 18:50.28 | jasta | by "store" you mean brick and mortar. you can still usually buy unsubsidized devices online, even from US stores. |
| 18:50.40 | anno^da | But? |
| 18:50.44 | Kraln | verizon and sprint (and us cellular) are CDMA - no sim cards, no phone portability |
| 18:50.51 | Kraln | sprint won't activate a phone without a sprint logo printed on it |
| 18:50.54 | romainguy | jasta: I've never seen unsubsidized phones in stores so far :( |
| 18:51.04 | romainguy | (and I mean, not online) |
| 18:51.09 | Kraln | romainguy: microcenter sells ubsubsidized gsm phones |
| 18:51.12 | Kraln | brick and mortar |
| 18:51.16 | jasta | my friend buys exclusively Nokia world phones from Amazon, and activates them on T-Mobile. |
| 18:51.38 | Kraln | I need to find an inexpensive gsm modem and a cheap prepay sim card so I can make tracking beacons |
| 18:51.57 | anno^da | (Now I can understand why everyone laughed at me telling that I can buy HTC devices without a lock) |
| 18:52.22 | anno^da | Has T-Mobile SIM cards in the us ? |
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| 18:52.45 | Kraln | yes, t-mobile runs gsm in the us |
| 18:54.46 | anno^da | ah |
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| 18:55.20 | anno^da | Now I understand all the questions in the Openmoko mailing list :) |
| 18:55.41 | anno^da | if the us guys can use the FIC Feeruner |
| 18:56.28 | anno^da | I had just our market in mind where I buy the Freeruner in Asia put my Sim card from a discounter in it and have access to the network. |
| 18:56.49 | Kraln | they like to nickel and dime us. |
| 18:57.10 | Kraln | luckily I found a few inventive ways to screw sprint and get a great deal regardless |
| 18:57.33 | jasta | points out that Android is unlikely to change this landscape directly. |
| 18:59.06 | Kraln | I can't wait for either an android phone on sprint, or a decent phone phone. |
| 18:59.26 | jasta | why don't you just buy an unsubsidized cheap phone to wait for android? |
| 18:59.38 | anno^da | I can't wait for a HTC phone with Android and not from a carrierer :) |
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| 19:02.33 | jasta | well, the truth is, i have no idea what's going to happen when android launches. |
| 19:02.48 | jasta | i dont even know that they are targetting other markets. probably will, but ...? |
| 19:05.07 | anno^da | They will target other markets than the US market something different wouldn't be that intelligent. Or why shouldnt they target othe markets? The thing is what do you mean by targeting. If HTC sells Android phones you can buy them from arround the world. |
| 19:07.11 | jasta | anno^da: well, HTC doesn't really get that luxury depending on the deals they make with the carriers. |
| 19:07.25 | jasta | but my point is, we just don't know ;) |
| 19:07.32 | anno^da | Yeah thats right. |
| 19:09.56 | anno^da | The thing is that you are coming from the situation on the us market where carrierer are very strong and locked down. Where carrieres sell (in the most cases) the mobile devices. Im coming from the european or german view where mobile devices are sold in every discounter without a plan from a carrier. |
| 19:10.40 | anno^da | So in the european market the carrieres are close before getting just the access point to the network. |
| 19:10.49 | jasta | anno^da: right, but thats what i meant by markets. |
| 19:11.05 | anno^da | Yeah I understand your view or your point. |
| 19:15.13 | anno^da | And I know that HTC has to work together in the US with the carriers. But that must not keep them from selling devices with Android on their own for the european market. Thats why I dont understand why Android should just concentrate on the us market. |
| 19:15.44 | jasta | me neither, but i dont understnad anything theyve done |
| 19:15.50 | anno^da | :) |
| 19:15.53 | jasta | so i'm going to stop guessing :) |
| 19:16.03 | anno^da | haha its fun ;) |
| 19:16.15 | anno^da | but not all day long :) |
| 19:17.32 | anno^da | just leaning back and listening to a great album of Dispatch |
| 19:33.55 | anno^da | How late is it in the US right now ? |
| 19:34.03 | anno^da | (in the areas you live :) ) |
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| 19:50.31 | jasta | 1pm PST |
| 19:50.41 | anno^da | ah |
| 19:50.46 | jasta | or, PDT technically |
| 19:50.48 | jasta | GMT-7 |
| 19:50.51 | anno^da | :) |
| 19:55.20 | haavi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.23 | haavi | PST PDT |
| 19:55.36 | haavi | MTFS |
| 19:57.10 | haavi | Here's it's MITZSIRTMIMA |
| 19:57.56 | haavi | FU U F US F PPL |
| 20:07.15 | haavi | GAY |
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| 21:07.16 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: you there? |
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| 22:04.30 | jasta | yawn |
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| 23:01.52 | jasta | err |
| 23:01.59 | jasta | oops ;) |
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