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| 00:44.56 | Dougie187 | good evening |
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| 05:08.47 | anno^da | someone here knowing how to do a GET request over HTTPS from Android. HTTP works fine but HttpClient gets no response over HTTPS |
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| 05:53.55 | jasta | anno^da: i haven't tested this, but in general if you could avoid using HTTPS you should |
| 05:54.29 | jasta | https has an encryption layer, which is very expensive for mobile devices |
| 05:56.53 | anno^da | yeah jasta I know but I have to use HTTPS in order to access the delicious API |
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| 05:57.17 | anno^da | The basic authentication works fine now by the way. |
| 05:57.23 | anno^da | (with normal HHTP) |
| 05:57.27 | anno^da | HTTP |
| 05:57.42 | anno^da | Thats what I have for the HTTPS: http://rafb.net/p/ho7n5a34.html |
| 05:58.32 | anno^da | ah wrong url |
| 05:58.34 | anno^da | http://rafb.net/p/eeLR8g16.html |
| 06:10.12 | anno^da | ahh and why cant there be a strict convention with the naming of the classes: One time it is DefaultHttpClient and the other time we have BasicNameValuePair *grr* |
| 06:11.46 | romainguy__ | how are they different? |
| 06:12.11 | anno^da | Default - Basic |
| 06:12.19 | anno^da | Or not ? |
| 06:12.46 | romainguy__ | these two words have different meanings |
| 06:12.59 | romainguy__ | but if you feel strongly about it go complain to Apache :) |
| 06:13.56 | anno^da | :D |
| 06:14.16 | anno^da | not really |
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| 07:25.19 | anno^da | romainguy: got an idea for that problem: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/508b1292dbb150cf/ae2b3c6608c56c24 ? I'm having the same problem with it. |
| 07:25.35 | romainguy | I have no idea |
| 07:25.38 | romainguy | never used HttpClient |
| 07:25.47 | romainguy | all I know is that it went through numerous updates and fixes after M5 |
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| 07:26.29 | anno^da | hmm ok. Thank you. |
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| 08:08.27 | alex2308 | morning #android |
| 08:10.15 | f00f- | 'morn |
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| 10:16.54 | anno^da | romainguy: I got the groups topic working now. :) Ah a great feeling for a java noob like me. |
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| 11:02.56 | alex2308 | @Poll: seen and used |
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| 12:00.42 | plusminus_ | gday |
| 12:01.29 | plusminus_ | can we change the text-orientation of textView ? i.e. that it gets rotate it by 90° that it appears vertically |
| 12:02.53 | anno^da_ | plusminus_: Have you ever used some HTTPS connection with the HttpClient4 ? |
| 12:06.18 | plusminus_ | dunno ^^ |
| 12:06.42 | anno^da | gut gut :) |
| 12:07.04 | anno^da | schade :-) |
| 12:08.25 | plusminus_ | ;) |
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| 12:09.46 | anno^da | Then I have to hope that there will be a SDK Update on the 5th of August for the public. :-) |
| 12:13.32 | plusminus_ | ................. |
| 12:13.37 | alex2308 | the germans taking over :-) |
| 12:14.23 | anno^da | ;) |
| 12:14.40 | plusminus_ | btw: http://www.anddev.org/andpipes/ |
| 12:17.10 | zhobbs_ | plusminus_: nice, is it open source? |
| 12:17.28 | plusminus_ | hm no |
| 12:17.43 | plusminus_ | but we will see... |
| 12:18.28 | plusminus_ | as we maybe want to sell it for like $1, making it OpenSource is not the best choice |
| 12:20.40 | zhobbs_ | gotcha |
| 12:21.26 | plusminus_ | ? |
| 12:22.07 | zhobbs_ | I mean, I understand |
| 12:22.19 | plusminus_ | kk |
| 12:24.05 | alex2308 | but it is made in java, right? |
| 12:24.38 | alex2308 | how can you protect it from beeing disassembled? |
| 12:27.12 | plusminus_ | I don't |
| 12:28.38 | alex2308 | ic, so its open source |
| 12:28.47 | plusminus_ | .... |
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| 12:29.13 | alex2308 | :D |
| 12:29.52 | alex2308 | its one of the facts why my university group decited NOT to use java |
| 12:32.41 | plusminus_ | hmhmhm |
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| 13:19.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | we should make all android software open source.... i mean really.... what's the point |
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| 13:31.09 | alex2308 | i like money, so i'd prefer selling software |
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| 13:32.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | screw that |
| 13:33.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'll make an open source alternative to any closed source profitable software released |
| 13:33.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | from earlier conversations i guess there's already one to make :) |
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| 13:34.33 | alex2308 | good luck |
| 13:34.46 | alex2308 | as if openoffice killed ms office |
| 13:35.00 | michaelnovakjr__ | it didn't but there sure is an alternative |
| 13:35.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | and with android being open source.... i have a feeling the idea will catch on quicker |
| 13:35.18 | alex2308 | ms office is still selling pretty good, i guess even better than oo |
| 13:35.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | its all a matter of opinion.... i use oo on win, mac and linux |
| 13:36.00 | michaelnovakjr__ | the point is to have a free alternative |
| 13:36.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | open source and android are buzzwords... as soon as some people see a price tag they'll start looking around |
| 13:36.40 | alex2308 | i have to pay bills, i really wouldnt give away anything for free |
| 13:36.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | especially when they can download a software manager filled with open source software |
| 13:36.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | i have bills too |
| 13:37.00 | michaelnovakjr__ | a whole lot of them |
| 13:37.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | that is why i have a job that pays me :) |
| 13:37.27 | alex2308 | why not make more money with android apps :) |
| 13:37.35 | alex2308 | btw, many ppl are scared by opensource apps |
| 13:37.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | because i am i big open source fan |
| 13:37.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | alex2308: obviously not the people who will use android |
| 13:38.02 | alex2308 | i am too, i steal code, use it in my closed source apps :D |
| 13:38.08 | alex2308 | true |
| 13:38.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | that is kinda illegal |
| 13:38.16 | michaelnovakjr__ | but ok |
| 13:38.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | or i should say under what license |
| 13:38.45 | alex2308 | hard to prove |
| 13:38.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | under GPL you have to re release the portion you used, not the whole app though |
| 13:39.14 | alex2308 | BSD ofc, best license ever |
| 13:39.39 | michaelnovakjr__ | do you use linux? |
| 13:39.55 | alex2308 | use would be the wrong word |
| 13:39.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | not only am i writing free software |
| 13:40.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'm offering subverision/git and trac space to open source android projects for free |
| 13:40.22 | alex2308 | i know how to use it, i even have it installed on second partition, but i dont use it |
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| 13:41.39 | michaelnovakjr__ | well i hope closed software has a painful death on android |
| 13:41.49 | michaelnovakjr__ | you want to write closed software write for the iPhone |
| 13:42.22 | alex2308 | i would, but i dont speak objective-c |
| 13:42.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | its not hard |
| 13:43.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | over at apple, its all about restriction... |
| 13:44.06 | alex2308 | sure, and i hate apple, but still, i could sell my apps |
| 13:44.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | do you have a job? |
| 13:44.55 | alex2308 | y |
| 13:45.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | i still don't know why you expect writing software for android will pay the bills |
| 13:45.40 | alex2308 | i just want something in return |
| 13:45.50 | alex2308 | this is how business works, you know? |
| 13:45.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am fully aware |
| 13:46.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | i write software for a living in a place that is closed source |
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| 13:47.10 | michaelnovakjr__ | if i write something cool for android i get to use it on my phone.... already a big plus... so then i'll release the source and apk for free so others can have the same |
| 13:47.24 | michaelnovakjr__ | look at jasta's five.... that is open source and its a killer app |
| 13:49.09 | f00f- | go to sleep |
| 13:49.22 | michaelnovakjr__ | sleep? now? |
| 13:49.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | where are you f00f-? |
| 13:49.35 | f00f- | home |
| 13:49.46 | michaelnovakjr__ | what part of the world? |
| 13:49.54 | f00f- | california |
| 13:50.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | ah, yea... its 10am where i am |
| 13:50.16 | michaelnovakjr__ | ...new york |
| 13:50.36 | alex2308 | i dont know jastas five. but i know, if my app is cool, someone will pay for it and i will see money. thats how my brain works. thats how most brains work. thats how business works :) |
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| 13:50.55 | michaelnovakjr__ | you really just don't understand |
| 13:51.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | http://code.google.com/p/five |
| 13:51.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | you can release your app, but i can release a competing one that is free and open source |
| 13:51.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | not saying it would automatically be better |
| 13:51.54 | michaelnovakjr__ | but it a free alternatie |
| 13:52.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | it would be a free alternative |
| 13:52.14 | alex2308 | i'd still sell mine and make money. get a better car than you do and laugh :D |
| 13:52.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | eh, i drive a $47K car |
| 13:52.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | i like it just fine :) |
| 13:52.45 | alex2308 | ah, seen this app. its looks really pretty. although i dont use my phone as mp3 player |
| 13:53.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | a lot of people do and will when they see that and the amount of space they can have on a phone |
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| 13:54.27 | alex2308 | i dont use it because of battery life |
| 13:54.58 | zhobbs_ | alex2308: I would use Five sitting at my desk at work with phone on charger |
| 13:54.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | battery life on my phone is excellent |
| 13:56.04 | alex2308 | zhobbs_ why not use laptop/desktop? |
| 13:56.15 | alex2308 | battery life isnt quite good on my phone |
| 13:56.24 | michaelnovakjr__ | with a phone the music is everywhere |
| 13:56.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | on a computer you'd have to have the music on more than one....if you listen at home and at work |
| 13:56.49 | michaelnovakjr__ | or use last.fm :) |
| 13:56.54 | zhobbs_ | alex2308: I currently sit at my desk and listen to ipod, but bitch because I forget to re-sync it and can't listen to my new stuff |
| 13:57.10 | michaelnovakjr__ | alex2308: why are you interested in android if you don't even like the core concept? |
| 13:57.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | or i should say don't understand it |
| 13:58.44 | alex2308 | michaelnovakjr__ true. didnt think about that, bc i mainly listen to streams/mixtapes |
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| 13:59.38 | alex2308 | michaelnovakjr__ work+personal interest in mobile scene |
| 14:00.08 | michaelnovakjr__ | what interested you? |
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| 14:01.59 | alex2308 | possibilities |
| 14:02.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | ? |
| 14:02.39 | alex2308 | new phones like iphone, limo phones, openmoko and android phones are very powerfull |
| 14:02.57 | alex2308 | especially when loaded with gps, wifi etc. |
| 14:03.23 | alex2308 | location based services and all this "new" stuff is very interessting |
| 14:03.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | i meant why android? |
| 14:04.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | if you are against the open source concept? |
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| 14:04.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | why not use the iPhone |
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| 14:07.04 | alex2308 | as i said, dont speak objective-c |
| 14:07.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | are you a programmer? |
| 14:07.35 | alex2308 | yes (still a bad one) |
| 14:07.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | a language is a language.... thats no excuse for not using a langugae |
| 14:07.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | programming concepts are similar across the board |
| 14:09.31 | alex2308 | sure, but why should i learn a new one if i can use a language i already know |
| 14:10.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | wow, that is sure a lazy excuse |
| 14:10.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | well, good luck selling android software.... you're gonna need it |
| 14:11.25 | alex2308 | haha, ok, if you think so |
| 14:11.36 | michaelnovakjr__ | have you ever written a program before/ |
| 14:12.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | please post your app when its ready... i'll enjoy writing this open source alternative the most :) |
| 14:13.04 | alex2308 | you really LOVE the open source idea, do you |
| 14:13.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | of course, why not |
| 14:16.25 | alex2308 | i just dont see the benefits of giving away my stuff for free |
| 14:16.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | are you writing apps that you are personally interested in? |
| 14:18.34 | anno^da | Sorry I would call that in german "charakerlos" to steal code. It tells me a lot about the character of a person. |
| 14:18.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | anno^da: who was that directed to? |
| 14:18.56 | anno^da | alex2308 |
| 14:19.07 | anno^da | ;) |
| 14:19.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | open source is a great concept |
| 14:19.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | you should research it a bit more alex2308 |
| 14:19.44 | alex2308 | im stealing open source code for 6 years now :) |
| 14:20.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | ass |
| 14:20.24 | alex2308 | a lot of people do |
| 14:20.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | like i said, i'm going to enjoy crushing your app |
| 14:20.34 | alex2308 | its just that im talking about it |
| 14:21.19 | alex2308 | then i better not tell you about it hehe |
| 14:21.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | well, when it comes out we'll see it :) |
| 14:21.36 | anno^da | sound kind of childish |
| 14:21.49 | michaelnovakjr__ | and since you said your a bad programmer i doubt it will take long to recreate |
| 14:22.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | i hate people that say i don't like open source, and yet half their project is open source code |
| 14:23.24 | anno^da | michaelnovakjr__: dont care about them. They wont even stop open source software. |
| 14:23.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | greed is the evil part |
| 14:23.42 | alex2308 | i didnt say that i dont like it |
| 14:23.48 | alex2308 | damn i love, free codebase :) |
| 14:23.54 | alex2308 | i just wont release my shit open source |
| 14:24.09 | anno^da | The problem is that you understand nothing about open source software. |
| 14:24.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | exactly |
| 14:24.20 | anno^da | Nothing about licences. |
| 14:24.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | you certain fit the greedy label very well |
| 14:25.07 | yakischloba | and the little kid label |
| 14:25.09 | alex2308 | there is no business modell behind flower power open source |
| 14:25.13 | yakischloba | who is this clown |
| 14:25.24 | anno^da | haha no business model |
| 14:25.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | flower power open source..?? |
| 14:25.41 | anno^da | SUNs not making any money no ? :P |
| 14:25.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | dude Redhat, Novell, Dell... the list goes on |
| 14:25.55 | alex2308 | are they making money with open source? no |
| 14:25.55 | michaelnovakjr__ | Zimbra, Alfresco ... |
| 14:26.17 | yakischloba | If you have to hide your code to sell your product then it must suck |
| 14:26.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 14:26.45 | yakischloba | Oh wait, or because you stole it from someone else and didn't give them proper credit. |
| 14:26.46 | anno^da | are they making money with open source? no <- haha thats what I meant with you knowing nothing about open source |
| 14:26.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | exactly |
| 14:27.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | there are plenty of companies whos business has open source at the core |
| 14:27.15 | jota-_ | i can tell you the name of someone who has made more money with open source software than youll preobably ever make... linus torvalds |
| 14:27.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | well... |
| 14:28.00 | michaelnovakjr__ | linus is employed as a programmer... i don't think he's accepted money for linux |
| 14:28.29 | alex2308 | and i dont believe he is rich |
| 14:28.34 | alex2308 | lets take bill gates |
| 14:28.38 | jota-_ | i believe he has like 20 millon worth os red hat and other companies stock |
| 14:28.51 | alex2308 | he sold software he didnt write. closed source. think he made some money... |
| 14:29.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | i write closed source software at work too |
| 14:29.14 | jota-_ | (the stock was GIVEN to him by the companies, he didnt buy it) |
| 14:29.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea |
| 14:29.29 | yakischloba | alex2308: If all you want is money, why are you doing this? Why don't you sell cocaine or something? |
| 14:29.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | so that is sort of the samething :) |
| 14:29.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | or go to the iPhone |
| 14:30.00 | yakischloba | Why do lazy greedy people take such a hard road |
| 14:30.14 | yakischloba | Use your head and you wouldn't have to work if you don't want to |
| 14:31.38 | alex2308 | yakischloba i did when i was young |
| 14:32.17 | yakischloba | and then you realized you'd rather steal other people's hard work for a living? |
| 14:32.24 | anno^da | (a troll is dancing around in here ... :) ) |
| 14:32.26 | yakischloba | what a revelation |
| 14:32.54 | alex2308 | i realised software is great because you can copy it million times without ressources and sell it million times |
| 14:34.04 | yakischloba | We've got a big thinker here |
| 14:34.04 | anno^da | And why are you working for the Deutsche Telekom if its so easy to make millions with copying of software :D |
| 14:35.07 | alex2308 | im still working on the millions (first million) :D |
| 14:35.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | its gonna suck when your software doesn't sell |
| 14:35.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | well for you that is |
| 14:36.34 | anno^da | michaelnovakjr__: Do you have some experience in using HttpClient(4) with HTTPS ? |
| 14:36.50 | jasta | anno^da: android uses httpclient 3.x |
| 14:36.59 | anno^da | not really |
| 14:37.09 | anno^da | at the moment it is a mix of both |
| 14:37.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | what is your issue? |
| 14:37.17 | anno^da | as I realized the last two days |
| 14:37.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | i saw some stuff on the list but i didn't sit to look closely at it |
| 14:38.57 | anno^da | I dont even get an easy GET request working. HTTP works just fine with the HttpClient(4) but HTTPS dont. I could give you some peace of code I have at the moment. |
| 14:39.16 | anno^da | And I dont really know if it is my fault or a bug. :) |
| 14:39.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | pastebin it |
| 14:43.28 | anno^da | http://rafb.net/p/laUMaN24.html I'm not really code in programming but hmm I don't get the error. As a result Logcat tells me: "ERROR/DELICIOUS(1040): IO E: Get result failed The target server |
| 14:43.28 | anno^da | failed to respond-null " |
| 14:43.47 | anno^da | -code +good |
| 14:45.54 | anno^da | The same code works perfectly with a HTTP based API. So I dont know. I found something about bugs in the implementation of some certificates in the Google Groups. But well I dont even get a certificate error. |
| 14:45.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | you obviously have a null somewhere |
| 14:46.15 | anno^da | yeah the result from the server is null. Or not ? |
| 14:46.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'd try spitting the values of everything as its processing |
| 14:46.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | or use the debugger to find out what part is null.... that'll certainly shed some light on what's going on |
| 14:47.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | you'll know what part is failing |
| 14:47.37 | anno^da | Yeah the part that is failing is this one: HttpResponse resp = client.execute(get); |
| 14:48.04 | anno^da | resp is null after executing the HTTP GET method |
| 14:48.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | if some of the values above are bad that could be causing the error |
| 14:48.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | that's why you should check them |
| 14:49.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | be back in a few |
| 14:49.55 | anno^da | yeah I will go playing tennis now. I'm looking at it later on again. Thank you for your answers. |
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| 14:58.24 | jasta | hmm, i dont feel well this morning |
| 14:59.59 | yakischloba | But its about to be another gorgeous day! :( |
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| 15:00.58 | jasta | of working :) |
| 15:01.19 | yakischloba | hah. I just think about the bike ride afterwards. |
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| 15:48.44 | jasta | ok, off to work. |
| 15:48.45 | jasta | lame :( |
| 15:51.00 | davidw | bogus |
| 15:51.49 | jasta | some day i hope to retire and just spend my days hacking on open source projects :) |
| 15:51.56 | jasta | i miss being 16 :) |
| 15:52.01 | davidw | that's kind of my dream too |
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| 16:13.41 | f00f- | off to bed. |
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| 16:33.48 | jasta | yawn |
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| 16:57.49 | AttractiveApe | waves to jasta |
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| 17:14.50 | jasta | hello :) |
| 17:15.03 | jasta | AttractiveApe: i'm curious to get a test with an SD card that is not throwing tons of I/O errors ;0 |
| 17:15.22 | AttractiveApe | pfft, I'll get around to it :) |
| 17:16.46 | AttractiveApe | Give me a bit, busy morning it looks like. |
| 17:17.48 | jasta | hehe, ok :) |
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| 18:00.01 | jasta | i could've been, portland isn't so far from me |
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| 18:12.01 | jasta | nevermind, i think i found it. the kernel source for m5-rc14 is still as a tarball on the project page |
| 18:12.13 | jasta | i gotta figure out how the binder driver in this differs from the android-msm-2.6.25 branch |
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| 18:16.59 | jasta | actually, i have a question already. |
| 18:17.44 | jasta | are both drivers/binder/* and drivers/android/binder.c relevant? neither seem to depend on the other. and drivers/binder doesn't even have a Kconfig |
| 18:17.59 | jasta | which tells me it isn't even being used? |
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| 19:36.32 | anno^da_ | so back from the tennis court :) |
| 19:42.15 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: interesting |
| 19:42.42 | jasta | i just confirmed that under the android-msm-2.6.25 branch, off which Martin's build is based, there is no Android Binder IPC driver present. |
| 19:42.54 | jasta | This is consistent with the log lines we observed as well. |
| 19:43.14 | jasta | I think this might be the silver bullet. I'm chekcing with Martin to see if this is in fact the case with his build. |
| 19:45.00 | michaelnovakjr__ | hm |
| 19:45.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta, Binders gone? |
| 19:45.39 | jasta | not intentionally, no. |
| 19:45.46 | jasta | it's just missing from this branch, and it's what Martin used. |
| 19:45.59 | jasta | without the binder, i'm surprised the f'n thing even boots, so i might be wrong about the build he's using. |
| 19:46.07 | jasta | but as i said, the logcat we saw supports this. |
| 19:46.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea, and my app run |
| 19:46.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | ran* |
| 19:46.26 | jasta | I just shot him an e-mail |
| 19:46.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | i wonder if maybe there's a failsafe at the java level? |
| 19:46.39 | jasta | well, does your app utilize a remote service? |
| 19:46.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea |
| 19:46.45 | jasta | or does the service run in the same process space as the app? |
| 19:46.55 | michaelnovakjr__ | its defined as a remote service |
| 19:46.57 | jasta | you have to explicitly make it a remote service.... |
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| 19:47.19 | jasta | not sure, but i just pulled down android-msm-2.6.25 and it's pretty clear to be missing. |
| 19:47.29 | jasta | and his patch does not introduce it. |
| 19:47.34 | jasta | let me check the changelog on this branch |
| 19:47.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | <service android:name=".LogProcessor" android:process=":remote"> |
| 19:47.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 19:48.03 | jasta | yup. |
| 19:48.04 | jasta | look at this: |
| 19:48.15 | jasta | http://git.android.com/?p=kernel.git;a=commit;h=a2b47a2a08b86ef762222c2f2c19ea6a7594e8de |
| 19:48.22 | jasta | look at the date of the commit. |
| 19:48.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | jul 4 |
| 19:49.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | way after the emulator |
| 19:49.05 | jasta | although Martin claimed to use the branch from July 7th, hmmmm |
| 19:49.23 | jasta | but this makes no sense, because there's no drivers/android/binder.c |
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| 19:49.28 | jasta | i just git'd it. there's only a pmem.c |
| 19:49.46 | jasta | find -name "binder*" reveals nothing in the git branch i just pulled down. |
| 19:50.02 | AttractiveApe | What about a grep -lir 'binder' * |
| 19:50.14 | jasta | hang on, let me verify i got the right branch. |
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| 19:53.48 | AttractiveApe | michaelnovakjr__: I don't suppose you use virtualbox on your Ubuntu machine, do you? |
| 19:54.19 | morrildl | jasta: sorry, I know jack about the kernel stuff |
| 19:54.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | AttractiveApe: no i don't... should I? |
| 19:55.16 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: yeah, i'm looking at this right. that commit was not in the android-msm-2.6.25 branch merge. |
| 19:55.54 | AttractiveApe | michaelnovakjr__: damn, shoots my theory down about that being the cause of my instablilty. |
| 19:56.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | hm, i wonder if you diff the Binder change and apply it it'll work..... might be other dependencies.... i'd say the latter is more likely |
| 19:56.03 | jasta | well, 'll just wait to see what Martin says to confirm his build |
| 19:56.24 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: you wouldn't want to, we have to use the binder drive from m5-rc14, which you can download the kernel they used on the android google code page |
| 19:56.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | ah, so that is missing correct? |
| 19:57.18 | jasta | yeah, even if he did include the binder driver from the main branch, it would be the wrong version |
| 19:57.25 | jasta | i'm looking at the commit now |
| 19:57.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | i see |
| 19:57.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | was there a reason for using a more updated kernel? |
| 19:58.39 | jasta | yeah, he devised most of his driver work on newer changes in the git tree |
| 19:58.43 | jasta | like the SD/SDHC support |
| 19:58.48 | jasta | he just backported it from their code |
| 19:58.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | oh ok |
| 19:59.59 | jasta | but as i said, we'll wait to hear from Martin on this. i can't even hardly figure out which tree he really used. |
| 20:00.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea, i've been plugging away at the file browser |
| 20:00.39 | michaelnovakjr__ | i figured i'll get the browse functionality working and then we can dive into the modifying contents functionality |
| 20:00.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'm setting up two views.... a list view and a grid view |
| 20:02.21 | jasta | d'oh, i checked out the wrong branch ;) |
| 20:02.30 | jasta | but still, the binder driver has been updated. |
| 20:02.33 | jasta | and that is not good |
| 20:02.47 | jasta | i will work on building a new kernel with the right binder version |
| 20:02.51 | jasta | would you be available to test if i do? |
| 20:03.14 | AttractiveApe | Me? |
| 20:03.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | I have a device.... i can test as well |
| 20:04.03 | AttractiveApe | has lost his exclusive status. |
| 20:04.04 | AttractiveApe | pouts. |
| 20:04.18 | michaelnovakjr__ | oh you still have it :) |
| 20:04.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'm just a backup |
| 20:04.31 | AttractiveApe | heh :) |
| 20:04.41 | AttractiveApe | anyways, I'm fscking the memcard right now |
| 20:04.46 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'm working on the file browser |
| 20:04.58 | jasta | AttractiveApe: you if you want :) |
| 20:05.55 | AttractiveApe | According to the XDA thread, dzo/martin made another kenel update. |
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| 20:08.18 | jasta | AttractiveApe: where? |
| 20:08.23 | jasta | link? |
| 20:08.34 | AttractiveApe | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265 |
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| 20:11.12 | jasta | that's a link to the original isn't it? |
| 20:11.38 | AttractiveApe | He updated the file on the server. |
| 20:11.59 | jasta | which file, when? |
| 20:12.04 | AttractiveApe | http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/zImage |
| 20:12.29 | jasta | but why would we assume this update means he forward ported the old binder.c? |
| 20:12.39 | AttractiveApe | I'm not |
| 20:12.43 | AttractiveApe | I'm just downloading to find out |
| 20:12.48 | jasta | i doubt it :) |
| 20:13.23 | AttractiveApe | Oh well, I'm doing it while I fsck the filesystems |
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| 20:16.43 | jasta | setting up to build the kernel... |
| 20:18.12 | AttractiveApe | yay, no nasty errors this boot. |
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| 20:47.56 | jasta | sigh, cant build his patches |
| 20:48.44 | AttractiveApe | :( |
| 20:48.49 | jasta | ugh, missing files? |
| 20:49.37 | jasta | well, cute. that stops me dead. |
| 20:49.59 | jasta | continues manually reviewing the binder.c patches |
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| 20:59.42 | jasta | this patch from M5-RC14 binder.c to current android-msm-2.6.25 is huge |
| 20:59.59 | jasta | i'm pretty confident this would be a big problem if the newer one was included with the older userspace. |
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| 21:07.04 | jasta | i wish i could see the userspace side of it, though :) |
| 21:09.25 | jasta | BINDER_CURRENT_PROTOCOL_VERSION bumped from 5 to 6 |
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| 21:20.57 | jasta | pokes michaelnovakjr__ |
| 21:26.37 | mikez5 | Hi San |
| 21:27.46 | SanMehat | mikez5: hey dude |
| 21:28.07 | ttuttle | mikez5, SanMehat: greetings |
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| 21:30.29 | JustAdam | Hi, San! |
| 21:30.49 | ttuttle | JustAdam: ohai |
| 21:32.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | hey jasta |
| 21:34.29 | jasta | so, i can't build a new kernel myself because martin's patches don't include android_keyboard_fs.c |
| 21:34.41 | jasta | but regardless, i'm confident now he built with the wrong binder driver. |
| 21:34.55 | jasta | as i said, the protocol version bumped from 5 to 6, and he used 6. |
| 21:35.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | interesting |
| 21:35.16 | michaelnovakjr__ | on a lighter note..... the file browser is looking nice |
| 21:36.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | few more things to work on with the layout...... |
| 21:36.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'll be back in about an hour |
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| 21:43.12 | jasta | hmm. is there a /dev/binder on the running device? |
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| 21:47.23 | djsiegel | Can anyone help me get the HelloAndroid app up and running in Eclipse using Scala? |
| 21:48.01 | jasta | djsiegel: Maybe, but I don't think any of us have experience using Scala (or Scala on Android). |
| 21:48.36 | djsiegel | Well, if you know Eclipse and Android, you'll probably be able to help me out. |
| 21:48.38 | jasta | AttractiveApe: can i get another logcat collected from you with a working SD card? |
| 21:48.54 | jasta | djsiegel: ok, then shot. |
| 21:48.55 | jasta | shoot* |
| 21:49.20 | djsiegel | So,here's the tutorial from the scala project: http://www.scala-lang.org/downloads/targets/android.html |
| 21:49.34 | djsiegel | I think I'm just confused about all the project settings. |
| 21:53.39 | djsiegel | In project settings, java build path, I clicked my scala project in the Project tag, and added the scala-library(-src).jar in Libraries |
| 21:54.03 | djsiegel | but my HelloAndroid class complains that it cannot find my scala classes. |
| 21:56.06 | jasta | that seems right to me. |
| 21:56.55 | djsiegel | Yeah... :) |
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| 22:02.17 | jasta | got a response from martin about the build |
| 22:02.20 | jasta | proceeding with a new patch... |
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| 22:12.28 | jasta | got the kernel built, yay |
| 22:13.43 | jasta | err, spoke too soon. the 2.6.23/M5-RC14 binder.c exploded. *fixing* |
| 22:14.36 | yakischloba | you're on a roll today jasta. |
| 22:15.05 | jasta | ok, now it's built. with the binder driver implementing version 5 of their protocol |
| 22:15.09 | jasta | someone please fire this up :) |
| 22:15.15 | jasta | i dont have a device handy today |
| 22:19.55 | jasta | http://jasta.dyndns.org/android/zImage-20080721-vogue -- this includes martin's patch against current android-msm-2.6.25 with the forward ported binder driver. |
| 22:21.17 | jasta | d'oh, ahng on :) |
| 22:21.58 | jasta | ok, updated :) |
| 22:22.01 | jasta | now go get it :) |
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| 22:28.05 | AttractiveApe | want me to grab that, jasta? |
| 22:28.09 | jasta | yes, please. |
| 22:28.26 | AttractiveApe | kk |
| 22:28.29 | jasta | and fire up the logcat too |
| 22:28.35 | jasta | but dont use jasta.dyndns.org this time |
| 22:29.34 | AttractiveApe | your dns isn't resolving |
| 22:29.48 | AttractiveApe | odd, work DNS servers are being queer. |
| 22:29.49 | AttractiveApe | nevermind |
| 22:30.44 | AttractiveApe | hmmm, that's actually not working |
| 22:30.52 | AttractiveApe | jasta: can you email me that please? |
| 22:31.06 | jasta | use oh yeah, shoot |
| 22:31.08 | jasta | ok, hang on |
| 22:31.12 | jasta | just use my IP address ;) |
| 22:31.16 | jasta | 75.165.30.37 |
| 22:31.21 | jasta | dyndns is being lame |
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| 22:31.38 | Dougie187 | Good evening |
| 22:31.39 | jasta | use that for the logcat as well, i'll go set up the server now |
| 22:32.16 | jasta | done :) |
| 22:32.20 | jasta | Dougie187: hola. |
| 22:32.37 | AttractiveApe | downloading :) |
| 22:33.02 | AttractiveApe | What's the md5sum for zImage jasta? |
| 22:33.08 | AttractiveApe | well, your zImage |
| 22:33.32 | jasta | 170b36e3ea39d9e727c865427dd5c57a zImage |
| 22:33.58 | AttractiveApe | great, thanks |
| 22:34.29 | jasta | its important that you fire up the logcat tool too. i need to verify that it stops complaining now :) |
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| 22:35.09 | AttractiveApe | kk, booting now |
| 22:35.54 | AttractiveApe | Hmm, your kernel broke things |
| 22:35.58 | AttractiveApe | sd controller doesn't work |
| 22:36.06 | jasta | that's what i had feared. hang on, let me rebuild. |
| 22:36.13 | jasta | martin mentioned his diffs were a mess, and he just fixed them |
| 22:36.18 | jasta | like 1m ago :) |
| 22:36.28 | jasta | so 1s, gonna rebuild with the updated ones |
| 22:36.57 | AttractiveApe | kk |
| 22:37.38 | jasta | yeah, lots of changes it looks like :) |
| 22:44.22 | jasta | hang on :) |
| 22:44.36 | AttractiveApe | Yeah, I have work to keep me busy ;p |
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| 22:50.22 | djsiegel | Hey, I'm trying the contact list w/ calling tutorial (http://www.kluit.com/blog/index.php?/archives/10-Android-Example-A-contact-list-+-using-the-Phone.html) and I can't see any names in my list. I get the correct number of rows, but I suppose my CursorAdapter is not upholding the mapping. |
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| 22:51.20 | djsiegel | My code: http://paste2.org/p/50878 |
| 22:51.20 | djsiegel | Can someone help me figure out why names are not being displayed? |
| 22:51.21 | tomgibara | rotary-dial - yes, does that make me old? |
| 22:52.30 | tomgibara | Does anyone know of a way of specifying a custom typeface via layout XML? |
| 22:55.09 | musique | djsiegel: probably you're text color is white? i.e. white on white == nothign shown |
| 22:57.04 | jasta | AttractiveApe: building now. |
| 22:57.17 | jasta | eep, vogue-*.c has lots of warnings/errors ;) |
| 22:57.27 | jasta | but they look to me like he was just being lazy |
| 22:58.18 | jasta | dangit hehe, yeah, this will fix SDHC support. |
| 22:58.21 | jasta | martin just commented: |
| 22:58.26 | jasta | What you have should work but I have made a few changes to the SD driver since |
| 22:58.27 | jasta | then so it probably doesn't support SDHC cards. |
| 22:58.44 | AttractiveApe | bah. |
| 22:59.36 | jasta | almost done building |
| 22:59.42 | jasta | its a surprisingly large kernel build for a mobile device :) |
| 23:01.14 | jasta | http://75.165.30.37/android/zImage-20080721.2-vogue |
| 23:01.15 | AttractiveApe | So it's not going to support my sdhc card? |
| 23:01.25 | jasta | no, it will, i just repatched. |
| 23:01.36 | jasta | his diff he posted online was old (didnt have SDHC support), but he just updated it for me . |
| 23:01.45 | jasta | and i just rebuilt for you |
| 23:02.02 | AttractiveApe | yay |
| 23:02.13 | AttractiveApe | k, sec |
| 23:02.17 | AttractiveApe | scheduled maint time |
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| 23:10.12 | jasta | pokes michaelnovakjr__ |
| 23:10.22 | djsiegel | musique, no my BG is not white |
| 23:15.35 | jasta | ok, im gonna wander off since no one is around to test this kernel. |
| 23:15.59 | jasta | ill be back in a bit (fyi, my remotelogcat server is up if anyone wants to pipe me something with the kernel running) |
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| 23:21.04 | eike | look here : http://geld-fuchz.1x.to/ |
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| 23:22.52 | morrildl | nickserv should have a mechanism to report spammers |
| 23:24.09 | duey | irc should have spam detection |
| 23:25.02 | jasta | then no one could talk :) |
| 23:25.17 | duey | lol |
| 23:25.47 | duey | captcha for irc |
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| 23:56.19 | jasta | pokes AttractiveApe and michaelnovakjr__ |