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| 00:07.25 | jasta | sigh |
| 00:07.26 | AttractiveApe | pokes jasta |
| 00:07.28 | jasta | i want to test this befor ei leave todya |
| 00:07.30 | jasta | ahh, you are here! |
| 00:07.46 | AttractiveApe | sorry, mega busy :P |
| 00:07.57 | jasta | too busy for me? for shame :) |
| 00:08.05 | AttractiveApe | For you? Never. |
| 00:08.06 | AttractiveApe | sec. |
| 00:08.16 | jasta | it should support SDHC now |
| 00:08.20 | AttractiveApe | What's the md5sum of the most recent copy? |
| 00:08.42 | jasta | 5ec726a3e444d2a2e9db8a21b0511ec2 arch/arm/boot/zImage |
| 00:09.14 | AttractiveApe | great |
| 00:09.28 | jasta | its at a diff url, i changed the filename |
| 00:09.38 | jasta | http://75.165.30.37/android/zImage-20080721.2-vogue |
| 00:09.38 | AttractiveApe | yeah, I got it |
| 00:09.50 | jasta | thats the address i need you to logcat too as well. do you still have remotelogcat? |
| 00:10.35 | AttractiveApe | yeah, it should be there |
| 00:10.36 | AttractiveApe | booting |
| 00:10.45 | AttractiveApe | memcard mounted, congrats. |
| 00:10.52 | AttractiveApe | Looking the android screen |
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| 00:11.42 | jasta | nice :) |
| 00:11.48 | jasta | i need the logcat output ;) |
| 00:11.55 | AttractiveApe | k, connected remotely. |
| 00:11.57 | AttractiveApe | See me? |
| 00:11.58 | jasta | thats the most important thing of all here ) |
| 00:12.09 | jasta | it seems like you have an old version of the logcat utility :\ |
| 00:12.25 | AttractiveApe | sigh |
| 00:12.47 | jasta | yeah, its unreadable output. the old version didn't fucking put the LFs in the output |
| 00:12.58 | AttractiveApe | k |
| 00:13.02 | AttractiveApe | will fetch it |
| 00:13.03 | AttractiveApe | sec. |
| 00:13.04 | jasta | do you know what the name of the file is? maybe we can overwrite it with the downloader |
| 00:13.14 | jasta | remember we have to overwrite the same filename |
| 00:13.46 | jasta | http://android-random.googlecode.com/files/RemoteLogger0.03.apk -- this is the newest, that doesnt have the LF issue. |
| 00:13.58 | jasta | the downloader will let you write /data/app/RemoteLogger.apk if you need. |
| 00:14.27 | AttractiveApe | huh, I hope that didn't break my usb microsd cardreade.r |
| 00:14.45 | jasta | what did't? |
| 00:14.54 | AttractiveApe | Apparently not. |
| 00:15.03 | AttractiveApe | The shell on it fell of, circuitry is exposed. |
| 00:15.08 | AttractiveApe | off* |
| 00:16.31 | AttractiveApe | syncing to the memcard... |
| 00:16.47 | jasta | btw, i may need to create a small binary for you to load to check something about /dev/binder |
| 00:16.57 | jasta | i have a suspicion that it's not being created correctly. |
| 00:17.12 | jasta | do you know for sure that it's part of system.img? i don't think its being created by the init scripts. |
| 00:17.17 | jasta | i think it needs to just be on disk. |
| 00:17.33 | AttractiveApe | I don't know, I can look. |
| 00:18.14 | jasta | err, it wouldnt be part of system.img, duh |
| 00:18.17 | jasta | it would be in the initrd |
| 00:18.22 | AttractiveApe | Connected. |
| 00:18.24 | AttractiveApe | See me? |
| 00:18.48 | jasta | yup :) |
| 00:19.06 | jasta | whoa, what di dyou just do? :) |
| 00:19.10 | AttractiveApe | k loading five sync |
| 00:19.22 | jasta | oh :) |
| 00:19.24 | jasta | that went mental hehe |
| 00:19.30 | AttractiveApe | hah |
| 00:19.38 | AttractiveApe | probably might be an idea to compress the log output |
| 00:19.48 | AttractiveApe | hmmm |
| 00:19.56 | AttractiveApe | Five Sync is not responding. |
| 00:19.57 | AttractiveApe | boo. |
| 00:20.20 | jasta | compression would cost too much cpu |
| 00:20.35 | AttractiveApe | See anything in the logs as to why it died? |
| 00:20.46 | jasta | yeah |
| 00:21.11 | jasta | E/dalvikvm( 437): Unable to extract+optimize DEX from '/data/app/five-client-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.apk' |
| 00:21.27 | jasta | then ClassNotFoundException, and croak. |
| 00:21.34 | jasta | try running it again. |
| 00:21.37 | jasta | just to see what it repeats. |
| 00:22.09 | AttractiveApe | k, did |
| 00:22.47 | jasta | it hung again, i assume? |
| 00:23.19 | jasta | well ok, this is odd. the binder protocol mismatch lines are gone now. but what remains: |
| 00:23.24 | jasta | I/runtime ( 437): Binder driver not found. Processes not supported. |
| 00:23.34 | jasta | D/dalvikvm( 436): NOTE: loadClass 'android.os.BinderNative' 0x40018968 threw an exception |
| 00:24.21 | jasta | i'm looking for anything in the log to help us, hang on |
| 00:24.21 | AttractiveApe | Ah. |
| 00:25.20 | jasta | ? |
| 00:25.26 | AttractiveApe | ? |
| 00:25.29 | AttractiveApe | I'm not doing anything. |
| 00:25.42 | jasta | ok, android.os.BinderNative is supposed to do that. |
| 00:25.44 | jasta | that's good, at least. |
| 00:25.57 | jasta | but the Binder driver not found message still has me confused. what is it looking for that isn't being provided ..... |
| 00:26.59 | jasta | AttractiveApe: do me a favor, fire up the http downloader |
| 00:27.10 | AttractiveApe | done |
| 00:27.23 | jasta | it hung didnt it? |
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| 00:27.29 | AttractiveApe | yeah |
| 00:27.33 | michaelnovakjr_ | howdy |
| 00:28.12 | jasta | AttractiveApe: something is fucked here. what did you possibly change here that is causing DexOpt to fail where it was previoulsy succeeding? |
| 00:28.31 | AttractiveApe | hmmm |
| 00:29.01 | AttractiveApe | I re-grabbed his zip earlier today...maybe the files were updated? |
| 00:30.34 | jasta | well, we had this issue earlier as well, remember. |
| 00:30.37 | jasta | you couldnt even open five music |
| 00:30.44 | AttractiveApe | Well, that was in Five Music |
| 00:30.47 | jasta | is it maybe the SDHC card? |
| 00:30.47 | AttractiveApe | Client always worked. |
| 00:30.51 | AttractiveApe | Nope. |
| 00:30.54 | jasta | yeah, but the symptom was the same in the log. |
| 00:30.57 | AttractiveApe | It's run from there fine. |
| 00:31.15 | jasta | try rebooting it. lets not use logcat this time. |
| 00:31.22 | jasta | just to experiment. |
| 00:31.27 | michaelnovakjr_ | jasta, where's the stuff at? |
| 00:31.28 | AttractiveApe | k, rebooting |
| 00:31.33 | michaelnovakjr_ | i can test too |
| 00:31.42 | michaelnovakjr_ | i don't have sdhc card |
| 00:31.44 | jasta | michaelnovakjr_: http://75.165.30.37/android/zImage-20080721.2-vogue |
| 00:31.49 | michaelnovakjr_ | cool |
| 00:32.09 | jasta | the log makes no sense. dexopt is clearly failing. |
| 00:32.16 | jasta | but that seems to be a new issue we never had before |
| 00:32.17 | jasta | so i dont get it |
| 00:33.51 | AttractiveApe | k |
| 00:34.00 | AttractiveApe | Httpdownloader runs now |
| 00:34.16 | AttractiveApe | As does Five Sync |
| 00:34.17 | jasta | and five-client? |
| 00:34.23 | jasta | *curious* |
| 00:34.37 | jasta | coudl logcat somehow be affecting this? maybe its a problem with Zygote? |
| 00:35.26 | michaelnovakjr_ | jasta do i have to rename your image |
| 00:35.31 | AttractiveApe | Resyncing based on your IP, not your dyndns... |
| 00:35.33 | jasta | michaelnovakjr_: or edit default.txt, yeah |
| 00:36.00 | jasta | AttractiveApe: try the whole thing without using logcat. and when you close Five Sync, back out of it. |
| 00:36.01 | AttractiveApe | yeah |
| 00:36.05 | jasta | dont just go home. |
| 00:36.15 | AttractiveApe | And Five Music worked till I selected the Album, then crashed. |
| 00:36.51 | jasta | ok. |
| 00:36.59 | jasta | force it close |
| 00:37.08 | jasta | then fire up logcat, back out of it, and we'll try this again |
| 00:37.30 | AttractiveApe | How do you force something closed? |
| 00:38.00 | jasta | use the back button, which is i think left |
| 00:38.07 | jasta | that will ensure onStop is called |
| 00:38.15 | jasta | and hopefully it's destroyed. |
| 00:38.25 | jasta | there's a dev setting to force it destroyed, which i think is on on that image |
| 00:39.40 | AttractiveApe | grrr, seriously |
| 00:39.45 | jasta | what? |
| 00:39.48 | AttractiveApe | make logcat remember the last IP entered. |
| 00:39.53 | jasta | hehe, i will. |
| 00:39.58 | AttractiveApe | See me on the log server? |
| 00:39.59 | jasta | i didn't write it though, but i will :) |
| 00:40.04 | jasta | no, i dont. |
| 00:40.26 | jasta | 75.165.30.37, did you typo? |
| 00:40.27 | AttractiveApe | meh, fuck this |
| 00:40.28 | AttractiveApe | I'll reboot. |
| 00:40.41 | AttractiveApe | Phone was acting 'weird' |
| 00:40.47 | jasta | if you reboot, go ahead and fire up logcat first, and lets test my theory that logcat somehow fucks up all the other apps |
| 00:41.14 | jasta | i'm still irritated that it claims the binder driver cant be found when it first boots |
| 00:41.43 | michaelnovakjr_ | i'm booting up |
| 00:42.33 | michaelnovakjr_ | jasta want me to run a test for you? |
| 00:42.39 | AttractiveApe | yes, you do it. |
| 00:42.45 | AttractiveApe | See if it's my setup or something. |
| 00:42.56 | michaelnovakjr_ | jasta what's your server listening on? |
| 00:43.08 | AttractiveApe | 75.165.30.37 |
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| 00:43.53 | michaelnovakjr_ | jasta, got anything coming in from my device? |
| 00:44.42 | jasta | yeah |
| 00:44.54 | michaelnovakjr_ | where's your five apk? |
| 00:44.56 | jasta | it seemed to die mid-line though |
| 00:45.01 | jasta | oh no its just relaly slow |
| 00:45.15 | jasta | michaelnovakjr_: your phone is much slower than AttractiveApe's :) |
| 00:45.31 | michaelnovakjr_ | my service isn't that great here |
| 00:45.37 | michaelnovakjr_ | where's your five apk? |
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| 00:45.51 | AttractiveApe | heh, my phone /should/ be using evdo reva, pretty speedy. |
| 00:46.20 | jasta | michaelnovakjr_: i don't have it handy. AttractiveApe, can you e-mail it to him? |
| 00:46.32 | michaelnovakjr_ | not up online anywhere? |
| 00:46.44 | jasta | doubt it |
| 00:47.02 | AttractiveApe | sec |
| 00:47.19 | jasta | make sure to not send him the one that hardcodes, as it would use jasta.dyndns.org :) |
| 00:47.26 | jasta | which is offline now because dyndns.org are cunts |
| 00:47.36 | michaelnovakjr_ | jasta, anything interesting come up in the logcat? |
| 00:47.43 | jasta | its still sending it to me :) |
| 00:47.51 | michaelnovakjr_ | oh buy |
| 00:47.53 | michaelnovakjr_ | boy! |
| 00:47.53 | jasta | its like going at 20 bytes per second |
| 00:47.59 | AttractiveApe | oh. |
| 00:48.54 | AttractiveApe | michaelnovakjr_: http://www.dufault.info/CABs/ |
| 00:49.18 | jasta | AttractiveApe: his logcat does look different than yours. yours threw up a ton of crazy dex errors. |
| 00:49.21 | jasta | his doesn't. |
| 00:49.29 | jasta | wonder what that could be about |
| 00:49.41 | jasta | are you sure this sd card of yours isnt broken or breaking? :) |
| 00:49.42 | michaelnovakjr_ | thanks AttractiveApe |
| 00:50.51 | michaelnovakjr_ | which files? |
| 00:51.00 | michaelnovakjr_ | the snapshot ones? |
| 00:51.11 | jasta | yeah, five*.apk |
| 00:51.14 | jasta | the snapshots |
| 00:51.18 | michaelnovakjr_ | ok |
| 00:51.55 | jasta | christ, your phone still has not finished uploading the logcat |
| 00:52.06 | jasta | just went through the init of the battery service |
| 00:52.33 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea, it is really slow |
| 00:52.35 | jasta | i'm gonna head home guys, i cant be at work too late tonight :) |
| 00:52.43 | michaelnovakjr_ | its not like this all the time |
| 00:52.54 | michaelnovakjr_ | jasta, going to be on later? |
| 00:53.20 | jasta | yeah ill be here |
| 00:53.31 | SanMehat | peace jasta :) |
| 00:53.38 | michaelnovakjr_ | cool |
| 00:57.51 | AttractiveApe | seeya jasta |
| 00:57.57 | AttractiveApe | my memcard is fine >:| |
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| 01:13.49 | michaelnovakjr_ | AttractiveApe: does android suck down on your battery? |
| 01:14.37 | AttractiveApe | heh, not too muc |
| 01:14.45 | AttractiveApe | but I keep mine charged regularly. |
| 01:16.46 | michaelnovakjr_ | i wiped my phone back to the default last week, and my battery life has been much much better |
| 01:17.11 | michaelnovakjr_ | i didn't have anything on it to begin with, but something obviously changed |
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| 01:18.13 | Dougie187 | heh, you have android running on your touch michaelnovakjr_? |
| 01:18.27 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea |
| 01:18.52 | michaelnovakjr_ | bluetooth between linux and my win mobile works |
| 01:18.59 | Dougie187 | nice |
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| 01:20.10 | AttractiveApe | michaelnovakjr_heh, you'll have to show me how you did that, I didn't get it to work. |
| 01:20.23 | AttractiveApe | michaelnovakjr_have you done any firmware updates on your Vogue, gps unlocks, etc? |
| 01:20.23 | michaelnovakjr_ | a restore? |
| 01:20.28 | michaelnovakjr_ | nope |
| 01:20.31 | AttractiveApe | no, bluetooth |
| 01:20.32 | michaelnovakjr_ | just a clean restore |
| 01:20.36 | michaelnovakjr_ | oh |
| 01:20.44 | michaelnovakjr_ | i'm running ubuntu on a macbook pro |
| 01:21.01 | AttractiveApe | You mean you did a hard reset on your Vogue?? |
| 01:21.13 | AttractiveApe | Are you running Windows Mobile 6, or 6.1? |
| 01:21.20 | michaelnovakjr_ | 6 |
| 01:21.26 | AttractiveApe | :/ |
| 01:21.27 | michaelnovakjr_ | have they released 6.1? |
| 01:21.45 | michaelnovakjr_ | for previous devices that is.... i know new devices ship with it |
| 01:22.05 | AttractiveApe | There is ROMs from various places that you can use to upgrade. |
| 01:22.18 | michaelnovakjr_ | have you tried it? |
| 01:22.18 | AttractiveApe | It's really nice to unlock the GPS in the phone though, really handy. |
| 01:22.21 | AttractiveApe | yes |
| 01:22.34 | michaelnovakjr_ | sweet, i heard battery life improved |
| 01:22.37 | AttractiveApe | I upgraded the bootloader, radio, and the Windows Mobile install, all of it :p |
| 01:23.08 | michaelnovakjr_ | nice |
| 01:23.40 | AttractiveApe | michaelnovakjr_: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=48 |
| 01:24.29 | michaelnovakjr_ | sweet thanks |
| 01:24.40 | michaelnovakjr_ | i'm writing a flac player for win mobile |
| 01:24.50 | michaelnovakjr_ | all of the ones out there cost money |
| 01:26.07 | AttractiveApe | michaelnovakjr_ http://picard.exceed.hu/tcpmp/test/ |
| 01:26.22 | AttractiveApe | tcpmp is one of the best, download the plugin for flac too. |
| 01:26.38 | AttractiveApe | there's a v0.8 beta someplace, don't remember where |
| 01:27.24 | michaelnovakjr_ | sweet |
| 01:27.33 | AttractiveApe | http://www.badongo.com/file/4055874 is for 0.81 |
| 01:28.14 | michaelnovakjr_ | thanks |
| 01:28.19 | AttractiveApe | np |
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| 02:38.22 | michaelnovakjr_ | jasta **ping |
| 02:38.33 | jasta | hiya |
| 02:38.53 | michaelnovakjr_ | how's it going |
| 02:38.59 | jasta | good :) |
| 02:39.25 | michaelnovakjr_ | i had to reboot the device, once i did that network was faster |
| 02:39.45 | michaelnovakjr_ | i'm almost done with the browser part of Glance |
| 02:40.28 | jasta | so i take it five still failed for you too? |
| 02:40.54 | michaelnovakjr_ | i can try it now.... do you have a server running? |
| 02:41.07 | jasta | yes, at my ip |
| 02:41.31 | jasta | the UI doesnt work quite right (i assume a larger resolution), but you can get around it by just using the dpad to position to the OK button off screen |
| 02:41.34 | jasta | and hitting it |
| 02:41.41 | michaelnovakjr_ | booting back up android now |
| 02:41.49 | michaelnovakjr_ | i was playing with Glance on the device |
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| 02:46.58 | f00f- | just get a real device |
| 02:47.22 | jasta | huh? |
| 02:48.56 | michaelnovakjr_ | ? |
| 02:49.31 | AttractiveApe | Oh, they aren't out. |
| 02:49.36 | AttractiveApe | I see what you did there, that was funny. |
| 02:49.47 | michaelnovakjr_ | :) |
| 02:51.21 | michaelnovakjr_ | synchronizing ** |
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| 02:59.17 | michaelnovakjr_ | did martin write the sms app? |
| 03:01.00 | AttractiveApe | yeah |
| 03:01.33 | yakischloba | Whats the goal of what you guys are working on? Just to further android functionality on touch/vogue? |
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| 03:01.49 | michaelnovakjr_ | hm, not sure if it an sms.apk bug or android one ..... but the notifications don't go away when you pull up a message |
| 03:02.00 | yakischloba | I've been watching all the details but I missed the bigger picture if there is one ;) |
| 03:02.02 | AttractiveApe | michaelnovakjr_yeah, annoying isn't it. |
| 03:02.17 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea, i've been getting sms messages while test |
| 03:02.19 | michaelnovakjr_ | in |
| 03:02.30 | michaelnovakjr_ | yakischloba: its pretty interesting |
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| 03:02.41 | michaelnovakjr_ | working on a device and emulator is very very different |
| 03:02.48 | yakischloba | michaelnovakjr_: it sounds like it |
| 03:03.16 | yakischloba | michaelnovakjr_: is this using a kernel that google put together to run on their test hardware and happens to run on your phones? |
| 03:03.26 | AttractiveApe | Correct. |
| 03:03.31 | yakischloba | gotcha |
| 03:03.37 | michaelnovakjr_ | the kernel code is available at git.android.com |
| 03:03.39 | yakischloba | But you guys are working on driver stuff? |
| 03:03.49 | AttractiveApe | The hardware the HTC Dream is using, is very similar to the Vogue in terms of chipset. |
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| 03:09.17 | yakischloba | I see no commit for a while. Is it abandoned? |
| 03:09.34 | michaelnovakjr_ | ? |
| 03:09.44 | yakischloba | the kernel |
| 03:10.53 | AttractiveApe | no, they're just hiding the recent source like they're hiding the dk. |
| 03:10.55 | AttractiveApe | *sdk |
| 03:11.06 | yakischloba | oh. |
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| 03:11.55 | AttractiveApe | anyways, I'm heading out. ttyl all. |
| 03:12.02 | michaelnovakjr_ | later |
| 03:12.03 | yakischloba | cya. |
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| 03:46.58 | jasta | yawn |
| 03:47.09 | yakischloba | good evening |
| 03:50.02 | muthu | mornin |
| 03:50.20 | f00f- | what's going on folks |
| 03:50.21 | yakischloba | or mornin ;) |
| 03:50.26 | yakischloba | hah |
| 03:50.32 | yakischloba | all those on the other side of the world are rising |
| 03:51.06 | f00f- | indeed |
| 03:52.05 | duey | so romainguy romainguy_ romainguy__ romainguy___ romainguy____ romainguy_____ having a multiple personality day? |
| 03:52.15 | romainguy_____ | just like every day |
| 03:53.04 | duey | seems to of multiplied |
| 03:56.52 | gambler | those logouts are from looking at porno |
| 03:57.22 | gambler | __________________________________________________________________________________________________ |
| 03:59.12 | yakischloba | lol |
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| 04:11.24 | muthu | lol |
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| 07:28.12 | alex2308 | morning rotary-dialer dudez |
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| 11:24.56 | plusminus_ | gday |
| 11:25.19 | anno^da_ | morsche / good morning everybody |
| 11:25.31 | plusminus_ | how to get the layout_width/height-XML of a View inside its XML-constructor? |
| 11:25.34 | plusminus_ | i thought of : |
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| 11:25.37 | plusminus_ | StyledAttributes a = ctx.obtainStyledAttributes(attrs, android.R.styleable.View); |
| 11:25.49 | plusminus_ | a.getInt(android.R.styleable.View_??????, -1); |
| 11:26.08 | plusminus_ | but there is nothign like "width" or "height" |
| 11:26.32 | plusminus_ | just background, id, paddding, etc.. |
| 11:26.57 | plusminus_ | muthu: hi |
| 11:32.11 | muthu | hi |
| 11:33.01 | plusminus_ | do you know how to get the layout_width/height-XML of a View inside its XML-constructor? |
| 11:33.09 | plusminus_ | my idea was sth like: |
| 11:33.10 | plusminus_ | StyledAttributes a = ctx.obtainStyledAttributes(attrs, android.R.styleable.View); |
| 11:33.14 | plusminus_ | a.getInt(android.R.styleable.View_??????, -1); |
| 11:33.51 | plusminus_ | (its just the most simple view: public class MyView extends View { |
| 11:34.14 | muthu | you mean in code? |
| 11:34.18 | plusminus_ | yes |
| 11:34.49 | muthu | is there no methods to get them? |
| 11:35.09 | muthu | i mean there must be something in View, right? |
| 11:35.16 | muthu | like getHeight()... |
| 11:35.27 | muthu | oh the layout |
| 11:35.40 | plusminus_ | oh not that but: getLayoutParams().height |
| 11:35.45 | plusminus_ | coudl work... |
| 11:35.59 | muthu | yeah.. its coming from layout params |
| 11:42.35 | plusminus_ | raises inflateException :( ... |
| 11:43.56 | muthu | hmm |
| 11:44.53 | plusminus_ | maybe its somewhere in the "inflateParams" that are passed to this constructor... |
| 11:45.30 | muthu | are you getting or setting? |
| 11:45.37 | plusminus_ | just getting |
| 11:45.45 | plusminus_ | I don't even know what kind of generic it uses... (its just "Map") |
| 11:45.48 | plusminus_ | CELL_HEIGHT = getLayoutParams().height; |
| 11:47.26 | plusminus_ | according to the docs it should hide within "attrs": --> "The attributes of the XML tag that is inflating the view." |
| 11:47.36 | plusminus_ | great |
| 11:52.10 | plusminus_ | gotcha |
| 11:52.25 | plusminus_ | for(int i = 0; i < attrs.getAttributeCount(); i++) |
| 11:52.26 | plusminus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.31 | muthu | cool |
| 11:52.51 | muthu | if you have a debugger.. it would be easy to find out :) |
| 11:52.52 | plusminus_ | this way sucks a bit... but i don't mind |
| 11:53.01 | plusminus_ | ^^ |
| 11:53.10 | muthu | really digg through the variables.. and see what they hold |
| 11:53.39 | plusminus_ | unfortunately they don't come in as they are written down in the xml-file... |
| 11:53.39 | muthu | you run eclipse debug, right? |
| 11:53.52 | muthu | yeah, the docs are not always upto date |
| 11:54.14 | plusminus_ | no, i mean: |
| 11:54.24 | muthu | yeah, i got you.. |
| 11:54.28 | plusminus_ | <org.anddev.andsudoku.apk.views.SudokuView |
| 11:54.33 | plusminus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.36 | plusminus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.40 | plusminus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.44 | plusminus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.48 | plusminus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.54 | plusminus_ | and the code above returns: |
| 11:55.19 | plusminus_ | attrs[0]: center_horizontal |
| 11:55.23 | plusminus_ | DEBUG/ANDSUDOKU_DEBUGTAG(1557): attrs[1]: @drawable/gamefield_background_color |
| 11:55.29 | plusminus_ | attrs[2]: 2px |
| 11:55.33 | plusminus_ | attrs[3]: 115px |
| 11:55.37 | plusminus_ | attrs[4]: 115px |
| 11:55.44 | plusminus_ | so its more or less random ^^ |
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| 11:56.00 | muthu | isn't there an attr object? |
| 11:56.34 | plusminus_ | yes there is |
| 11:57.18 | plusminus_ | thats what I'm using in the loop |
| 11:58.00 | muthu | there should be an easy way |
| 11:58.14 | muthu | or just note down the index |
| 12:00.23 | plusminus_ | got one: |
| 12:00.25 | plusminus_ | String width = attrs.getAttributeValue("http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/android", "layout_width"); |
| 12:00.40 | plusminus_ | works fine |
| 12:00.57 | muthu | great |
| 12:01.33 | muthu | your 1$ strategy is great |
| 12:01.49 | muthu | but make sure there's a wide variety of apps to choose from |
| 12:01.50 | plusminus_ | ;) we'll see if it works |
| 12:01.54 | muthu | it will |
| 12:01.57 | muthu | variety is the key |
| 12:02.12 | plusminus_ | just making a "sudoku app in a day" |
| 12:02.12 | muthu | the more, the better |
| 12:02.19 | muthu | yeah, just simple apps |
| 12:02.23 | muthu | all little things |
| 12:02.42 | plusminus_ | ... just got a incredible idea: |
| 12:02.47 | plusminus_ | AndLIGHT !!! |
| 12:02.52 | plusminus_ | just a white screen |
| 12:02.55 | plusminus_ | for 1$ |
| 12:02.56 | plusminus_ | :-D |
| 12:02.58 | muthu | woah! |
| 12:02.59 | muthu | haha |
| 12:03.00 | muthu | lol |
| 12:03.08 | muthu | hey!! |
| 12:03.08 | plusminus_ | :-D |
| 12:03.15 | muthu | and then glow it in different colors |
| 12:03.21 | muthu | that would be cool |
| 12:03.40 | muthu | these are the apps that are going to sell |
| 12:03.47 | muthu | keep it simple |
| 12:03.54 | muthu | but have tons of them |
| 12:03.55 | plusminus_ | i'm really excited what the """Google-Market/Appstore""" will be like |
| 12:04.06 | muthu | yeah |
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| 12:27.14 | gambler | Im staking out HelloWorld.apk right now |
| 12:27.19 | gambler | I called it...no takebacksies |
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| 12:40.45 | anno^da_ | I will do a SOS light :) |
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| 12:48.44 | muthu | light is cool |
| 12:49.29 | anno^da_ | Yeah :) |
| 12:49.37 | anno^da_ | or some easy to setup alarm clock |
| 12:49.44 | anno^da_ | clocks |
| 12:50.50 | muthu | all those simple little utilties |
| 12:50.53 | muthu | are going to fly |
| 12:52.35 | anno^da_ | Sure. If you look at the iPhone. You can get 20 radio apps in the store |
| 12:52.45 | anno^da_ | every app is playing ONE single radio station :P |
| 12:53.01 | michaelnovakjr__ | fly muthu? |
| 12:53.28 | anno^da_ | they will be sold very often thats what he wanted to say right ? |
| 12:53.50 | anno^da_ | If you look at the ringtone industry. It is a mess :P |
| 12:53.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | sold? |
| 12:54.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'll make those apps for free |
| 12:54.18 | anno^da_ | In general not talking about myself. |
| 12:54.42 | anno^da_ | People are spending money on every crappy app |
| 12:54.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | trust me anything you'll have to pay for will have a free alternative |
| 12:55.30 | anno^da_ | That's right but if you look at the ringtone industrie. Everyone could get them for free. |
| 12:55.45 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: don't make it free |
| 12:55.51 | anno^da_ | But what are they doing? - Buying it for 1 euro in a shop :P |
| 12:55.51 | muthu | sell it for 1$ |
| 12:55.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | screw that muthu |
| 12:56.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'll make any app free and open source |
| 12:56.13 | muthu | you make it opensource |
| 12:56.13 | anno^da_ | :D |
| 12:56.19 | muthu | you also fund yourself |
| 12:56.27 | muthu | opensource need not be charity |
| 12:56.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | i don't need to fund myself |
| 12:56.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | i have a job |
| 12:56.45 | muthu | ok |
| 12:56.47 | anno^da_ | But you cant make the ringtones open source without having the rights to them :p |
| 12:57.01 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'm talking about apps |
| 12:57.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | ringtones are messy |
| 12:57.09 | anno^da_ | :) |
| 12:57.22 | michaelnovakjr__ | why muthu you are going to sell that cooking app? |
| 12:57.26 | anno^da_ | I know that they are crapp but people buy them. |
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| 12:57.52 | muthu | cooking app is not mine |
| 12:57.55 | muthu | i don't control that |
| 12:58.17 | muthu | lets take mobeegal |
| 12:58.24 | muthu | i'll have a free and a paid version |
| 12:58.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | why? |
| 12:58.37 | muthu | why earn money? |
| 12:58.50 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: that's the way the world works |
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| 12:58.58 | muthu | you have a free and a $$ version |
| 12:59.02 | muthu | that's a good compromise |
| 12:59.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | you do realize that you'll have free competition for everything |
| 12:59.12 | muthu | oh yeah |
| 12:59.14 | muthu | bless them |
| 12:59.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | its going to be hard to make money on android with all the free open source software that will be available |
| 12:59.47 | muthu | if people cannot make money out of android.. |
| 12:59.51 | muthu | android will be dead!! |
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| 12:59.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | dude, what are you talking about |
| 13:00.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | it won't be dead |
| 13:00.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | android itself is free and open source |
| 13:00.48 | muthu | yes, that's the way it should be |
| 13:01.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | and so should all of the software |
| 13:01.22 | alex2308 | but still people are selling software |
| 13:01.28 | alex2308 | like plusminus_ and muthu and me |
| 13:01.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | and it won't work |
| 13:01.31 | alex2308 | hehe |
| 13:01.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | i will personally write competing applications |
| 13:01.45 | alex2308 | as muthu said, it works fine with ringtones and other platform |
| 13:01.47 | muthu | there's no free opensource in top 50 |
| 13:01.52 | muthu | everyone is selling |
| 13:02.01 | michaelnovakjr__ | because you people are greedy |
| 13:02.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | trust me when people see a nice free app and yours.... why would they pay? |
| 13:02.42 | alex2308 | dunno, why does everyone use ms office and windows? |
| 13:02.48 | alex2308 | why do people buy ringtones? |
| 13:02.53 | alex2308 | why do people buy wallpapers? |
| 13:02.59 | alex2308 | why do people buy games? |
| 13:03.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am talking about applications |
| 13:03.21 | alex2308 | like ms office |
| 13:03.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | not everyone uses ms office |
| 13:03.43 | muthu | people are paying |
| 13:03.47 | muthu | look at iphone app store |
| 13:03.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | iphone is a piece of shit |
| 13:04.00 | muthu | there's a lot of people who prefer paid apps |
| 13:04.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | its closed completely |
| 13:04.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu don't be an ass |
| 13:04.19 | muthu | small developers have made 50 to 100k in no time |
| 13:04.24 | muthu | with iphone app store |
| 13:04.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | you are getting the pleasure of working on an open source platform |
| 13:04.34 | anno^da_ | michaelnovakjr__: But why are you writing closed apps at work ? |
| 13:04.39 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: you don't understand business |
| 13:04.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu, its open source software |
| 13:04.48 | alex2308 | anno^da_ because he is greedy |
| 13:04.51 | muthu | you are young.. you'll grow up :) |
| 13:05.04 | alex2308 | muthu: same thing i told him yesterday :) |
| 13:05.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu, i have never charged for my own software |
| 13:05.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu: alex2308 and never will |
| 13:05.29 | muthu | i know.. if you are happy with that |
| 13:05.31 | muthu | great |
| 13:05.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'll be your competition |
| 13:05.43 | muthu | haha |
| 13:05.48 | anno^da_ | michaelnovakjr__: But why are you writting closed apps at work ? |
| 13:05.49 | muthu | how can you compete with everyone? |
| 13:05.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | anno^da_: because that is not my choice |
| 13:06.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 13:06.15 | anno^da_ | I would say because you have to live from something. |
| 13:06.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu: i already have a head start with your apps |
| 13:06.50 | anno^da_ | And what are the things you live from? Is it love ? :P |
| 13:06.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | anno^da_: again, not my choice.... you could easily go and work for a living and program your own stuff on the side |
| 13:07.09 | anno^da_ | I would say it is something in the middle between alex2308 and you. |
| 13:07.09 | alex2308 | anno^da_ love and peace *flower power* |
| 13:07.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | if you want to charge for software go write for the iphone and win mobile |
| 13:07.46 | muthu | life is a balance |
| 13:07.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | don't plague android with this bullshit |
| 13:07.56 | muthu | lol |
| 13:08.18 | alex2308 | dont buy them if you dont like em |
| 13:08.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | i won't, i write my own and release them for free |
| 13:08.35 | alex2308 | but leave people selling whatever they like to sell whereever they like to sell it |
| 13:08.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | you'd fit right in over in the iphone sector |
| 13:09.01 | alex2308 | good luck rewriting every single app that gets released and sold |
| 13:09.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'm not the only one who's going to be doing that :) |
| 13:09.25 | muthu | haha.. i don't know how michaelnovakjr__ thinks its possible |
| 13:09.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | there will be way more free open source software than you think |
| 13:09.36 | alex2308 | i really dont care if you do |
| 13:09.40 | muthu | there'll be thousands of apps... |
| 13:09.57 | alex2308 | some people will use the free apps, some will buy my apps, i will get money for it, you will get .. nothing. its really ok for me |
| 13:10.54 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'll get the apps for my phone |
| 13:11.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | alex2308: if you really think android is going to solve your financial problems you are in for some trouble |
| 13:11.40 | muthu | what?? |
| 13:12.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | i can't imagine what your app would be like since you call yourself a bad programmer that can't even learn objective-c |
| 13:12.30 | alex2308 | its just some extra income, i got my main income |
| 13:13.09 | alex2308 | dont you worry, i will steal some good code from some open source hippy :) |
| 13:14.14 | muthu | haha |
| 13:14.42 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: alex2308 is planning to make money out of your free software! |
| 13:15.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | you people really are a bunch of fucking greedy assholes |
| 13:15.32 | anno^da_ | I would say it has to be something in the middle of both. alex2308s choice is just cheracterless. |
| 13:15.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | especially those who use linux |
| 13:15.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | oh, i'll use all the free software in the world but charge people for mine |
| 13:16.17 | anno^da_ | He is doing something illegal but he doesnt care and that tells us everything about his character. |
| 13:16.26 | alex2308 | nice. you start evolving business thinking |
| 13:17.12 | anno^da_ | But thats how business works. Selling your character for some money. |
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| 13:17.35 | plusminus_ | ... interesting conversation ... |
| 13:17.39 | anno^da_ | I don't mind if he would work on his own apps and making them closed. |
| 13:18.03 | anno^da_ | But stealing (illegally) from other apps hmm yeah thats characterless. |
| 13:18.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | i just think selling software on android really defeats its purpose |
| 13:18.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | its meant to level the playing field in the cellphone industry |
| 13:19.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | like i said want to see software.... win mobile and iphone do it all the time |
| 13:19.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | if you can only program in java..... well, thats pretty bad |
| 13:21.57 | plusminus_ | shame on everybody that's not able to code objective-C |
| 13:22.56 | plusminus_ | you are loosers ! |
| 13:23.47 | anno^da_ | plusminus_: I don't think thats what he wanted to say. It is just the arrogant view of alex2308 saying "oh well I'm too stupid to do anything so I will steal it" |
| 13:23.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | i didn't say that |
| 13:23.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | i meant if you can't learn it |
| 13:24.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | a language is a language |
| 13:25.19 | plusminus_ | sry, i should have read more careful |
| 13:26.03 | alex2308 | anno^da_ i didnt say that im too stupid. michael said that. i just countered that in an elegant way :) |
| 13:26.06 | plusminus_ | but that was what the last lines sounded like |
| 13:26.18 | michaelnovakjr__ | alex2308: you said it yesterday |
| 13:26.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | you said you're a bad programmer and that is why you steal open source software and use it in closed source projects |
| 13:27.07 | alex2308 | i just dont reinvent the wheel |
| 13:27.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | that's bullshit |
| 13:27.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | if you use open source code you should re-release that portion |
| 13:28.07 | anno^da_ | thats it |
| 13:28.20 | anno^da_ | and thats why you dont understand anything about open source software |
| 13:28.55 | anno^da_ | If you use open source software thats no problem. BUT you have to give credit to the folks that have written this peace of software. And that is done by the licence. |
| 13:29.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | exactly |
| 13:29.21 | alex2308 | depending on the license |
| 13:29.30 | anno^da_ | Yeah definetly. |
| 13:30.11 | anno^da_ | But even under the Apache licence you have to give credit. (you dont have to open source your code but you have to give credit) |
| 13:30.34 | alex2308 | i steal only from bsd license |
| 13:31.10 | michaelnovakjr__ | i find that hard to believe |
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| 13:33.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | i can't believe you'd admit you steal from someone |
| 13:33.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | you are a complete ass |
| 13:34.07 | gambler | emotion. Interesting to see a free software advocate describe unattributed plagiarism as stealing. |
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| 13:34.29 | anno^da_ | michaelnovakjr__: people that are offering code under the BSD licence want their code to be used with opensource BUT with closed source software as well. ;) |
| 13:34.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | gambler: if you scroll up you'll see he has admitted it |
| 13:34.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | anno^da_: credit should be given where credit is due |
| 13:35.33 | anno^da_ | Yeah sure. I dont deny that. |
| 13:35.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | i know :) |
| 13:36.09 | gambler | I know...But isn't part of the free software movement that thoughts/algorithms/poetry/writing are different from physical goods? |
| 13:36.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | i just think one of the best things about android is the open mentality |
| 13:36.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | so i don't see the need to mix closed source profit software in the mix |
| 13:37.05 | gambler | Im not condoning license violation or anything just being slightly provocative because the discussion thus far seems wanting... |
| 13:37.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | there's plenty of other platforms that do that really good :) |
| 13:37.17 | alex2308 | you cant stop people from selling/buying apps |
| 13:37.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | nope, but i certainly will provide a free alternative |
| 13:37.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | especially to your apps alex2308 |
| 13:38.05 | alex2308 | ill sell them under a different name them |
| 13:38.07 | gambler | I for one will be GPLing all my libraries....so I can charge proprietary vendors that link to them...bwhahahaha 0wned |
| 13:38.09 | alex2308 | :D |
| 13:38.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | alex2308: nice try... but it won't work..... |
| 13:40.25 | alex2308 | lets go create the android-store. the android counterpart of the app store :) |
| 13:41.34 | alex2308 | andstore.net and andstore.org still free |
| 13:41.50 | anno^da_ | It will definetly work. :) And there will always be closed source and open source apps side by side. What I don't like about the open source software movement is the ideologic thinking. From my point of view it is all about licencing. And everyone has the choice. |
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| 13:42.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | i understand anno^da_ but why target android knowing its open source? |
| 13:42.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | you aren't writing anything that someone else cant.... |
| 13:43.33 | alex2308 | what do we care if its open source or not |
| 13:43.38 | alex2308 | we are business people |
| 13:43.39 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: so all the linux apps must be free? |
| 13:43.46 | anno^da_ | Because perhaps it will be more open not only from the open source stand point but also from the standpoint of installing apps, removing apps, accessing the internet, developing for the plattform and so on |
| 13:44.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | alex2308: you aren't business people. you are a programmer |
| 13:44.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | or are you a suit trying to be a programmer> |
| 13:44.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu: do you use linux? |
| 13:44.48 | anno^da_ | I will sell my music under the creative commons licence but I dont mind if Sony sells their commercial stuff under a closed thing. |
| 13:45.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | anno^da_: sure, i don't mind either.... but android itself is an open platform |
| 13:45.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | if you want to sell software why not wrie it for another platform? |
| 13:45.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu: do you use linux? |
| 13:46.38 | alex2308 | we are thinking like business people, btw im plaing on doing my MBA |
| 13:46.52 | anno^da_ | I understand your point. Contributing open software to an open plattform. |
| 13:47.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | that is my point... |
| 13:47.09 | yakischloba | Open doesn't mean you can't make any money |
| 13:47.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | if it wasn't an open platform i wouldn't care as much |
| 13:47.24 | muthu | linux is a great example |
| 13:47.29 | muthu | where people make tons of money |
| 13:47.31 | anno^da_ | Yeah definetly yakischloba . |
| 13:47.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu do you use linunx? |
| 13:47.44 | yakischloba | you can offer a subscription-based component, etc |
| 13:47.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | ye |
| 13:47.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | s |
| 13:47.55 | michaelnovakjr__ | but you should open up your system |
| 13:48.24 | michaelnovakjr__ | subscriptions are different, those usually require maintenance on some servers.... |
| 13:48.43 | alex2308 | some people really dont like the idea of opening their system |
| 13:48.50 | alex2308 | or giving away their code |
| 13:48.55 | alex2308 | or giving it away for free |
| 13:49.06 | anno^da_ | I like the licencing of the following book. ( http://commonsware.com/Android/index.html ) It has a closed licence but after selling 4000 books it will be creative commons. Thats fine for me. |
| 13:49.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | so why are they using an open platform alex2308? |
| 13:49.13 | yakischloba | Its not like everyone that releases an open source app is going to get it stolen |
| 13:49.29 | yakischloba | Pretty sure you can still go and sell your app in an app store if its open source? |
| 13:49.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes, under certain licenses yes |
| 13:49.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | but its still open |
| 13:49.53 | alex2308 | michaelnovakjr__ just because its licesing model is easy |
| 13:50.07 | yakischloba | Its pretty unlikely that someone is just going to cruise the app store and heist your code and re-brand it |
| 13:50.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | so you'll reap the benefits and turn around and say f u to the community |
| 13:50.24 | yakischloba | If your app was there first, and its better, why would anyone go with the fraud? |
| 13:50.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | yakischloba: alex2308 would |
| 13:50.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | he stated that is what he does |
| 13:50.54 | yakischloba | yeah but hes obviously no good at putting out apps |
| 13:51.05 | yakischloba | so his rip-offs will suck theoretically right? |
| 13:51.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | true |
| 13:51.19 | yakischloba | and he doesn't care about them, so he probably won't offer updates etc |
| 13:51.38 | muthu | open or closed |
| 13:51.41 | muthu | the best will win |
| 13:52.07 | yakischloba | if he ripped off my app and stole 5% of my sales for a month it wouldn't really be a big deal IMO. Not to say that I agree with what hes doing. |
| 13:52.08 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu you didn't answer my question....... do you use linux? |
| 13:52.13 | alex2308 | the thing isnt that we dont understand open source, the point is that michael doesnt understand closed source/selling apps |
| 13:52.20 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: me using linux, the whole world knows ;) |
| 13:52.22 | anno^da_ | muthu: thats right. |
| 13:52.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu, i don't..... |
| 13:52.43 | muthu | f8 |
| 13:52.46 | anno^da_ | It will win for the business standpoint at the beginning. |
| 13:52.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | do you pay for any software on that machine? |
| 13:52.56 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: we have had this linux talk before, you forgot! |
| 13:53.00 | anno^da_ | But in the end the open source systems will be better. |
| 13:53.26 | muthu | i'm all for open source btw |
| 13:53.30 | alex2308 | do you know why companies dont use open source? |
| 13:53.36 | muthu | that doesn't mean you should not be paid |
| 13:53.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | do you donate to open source then muthu? |
| 13:54.14 | yakischloba | alex2308: because they're fucking greedy like you ;) |
| 13:54.33 | anno^da_ | Oh I've worked for the Deutsche Telekom and had to deal with crappy InternetExplorer and crappy windows. (even with crappy Outlook) So I dont understand why they are using that crap. |
| 13:54.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | anno^da_: lots of places are getting away from it |
| 13:55.06 | anno^da_ | I know that and it is a good thing. |
| 13:55.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu, you don't like answering my questions huh? |
| 13:55.19 | muthu | haha |
| 13:55.25 | anno^da_ | Even our small village is porting to Linux. |
| 13:55.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | absolutely |
| 13:55.39 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: you just don't understand the different business models |
| 13:55.42 | muthu | all of them can co exist |
| 13:55.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu, so do you donate to open source that you use since you believe you should be paid for the software? |
| 13:55.59 | alex2308 | anno^da_ we still use that crappy IE hahaha |
| 13:56.21 | anno^da_ | alex2308: I know that and it is something I really laugh about. |
| 13:56.36 | alex2308 | most people installed firefox portable |
| 13:56.42 | anno^da_ | Using that non standard crap is something I will never understand. |
| 13:57.10 | anno^da_ | Sure you can install that but the standard is holly IE. |
| 13:57.30 | muthu | open source exists to be reused |
| 13:57.39 | alex2308 | IE6 (!) :D |
| 13:57.46 | anno^da_ | :p |
| 13:58.10 | alex2308 | but outlook is great, i really like it |
| 13:58.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | wow muthu you are quiet when asked questions you can't answer huh? |
| 13:58.41 | anno^da_ | But I have to agree with muthu there are different models and they are ok if the respect licences. |
| 13:58.50 | anno^da_ | if they ... |
| 13:59.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | the problem with muthu's theory is that he said he uses open source software but thinks that you should be paid for it..... |
| 13:59.31 | anno^da_ | Open source software is NOT about being paid or not paid. |
| 13:59.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | if that is the case muthu must have donated to some project before right? |
| 13:59.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | anno^da_: i'm quoting what muthu said |
| 13:59.59 | muthu | woah! |
| 14:00.06 | muthu | i'm not against open/free software |
| 14:00.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | so based on that response it would make sense he's donated before right? |
| 14:00.13 | muthu | and i'm also not against commercial software |
| 14:00.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu you said open source software should be paid for..... so have you donated to any before? |
| 14:01.03 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: there's commercial open source software, do you know that? |
| 14:01.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes |
| 14:01.14 | muthu | and people are getting paid to develop such open source software |
| 14:01.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | examples....... muthu? |
| 14:01.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | which are you referring to? |
| 14:01.48 | muthu | there's many |
| 14:02.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | do you have an example that comes to mind? |
| 14:02.17 | alex2308 | why not start a poll. who will be writing free/opensource/commercial/... software? |
| 14:02.45 | alex2308 | michaelnovakjr__ the OO team gets paid |
| 14:03.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | is OO free and open? |
| 14:03.10 | muthu | look at all the commercial linux distros |
| 14:03.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu, there's atleast one freely available for every distro |
| 14:03.40 | muthu | yeah, that's the point |
| 14:03.43 | muthu | they can co-exist |
| 14:03.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | i didn't say they couldn't, but the point is they are OPEN |
| 14:04.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | OPEN and FREE are different terms |
| 14:04.06 | muthu | yes |
| 14:04.11 | muthu | open + free |
| 14:04.16 | muthu | open + commercial\ |
| 14:04.22 | muthu | closed + free |
| 14:04.25 | muthu | closed + commercial |
| 14:04.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu, the point is that the open and free model will certainly be big on android..... so why not join the effort |
| 14:05.39 | muthu | you have something going on? |
| 14:06.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | ? |
| 14:06.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | what do you mean? |
| 14:06.46 | muthu | i mean, a specific open and free android project somewhere? |
| 14:07.03 | alex2308 | there goes my poll: http://www.anddev.org/viewtopic.php?p=9419 |
| 14:07.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | androidnerds.com will be a bunch of free and open source software |
| 14:07.41 | alex2308 | andstore.org will be a bunch of commercial software |
| 14:08.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | .org huh |
| 14:08.13 | yakischloba | hah |
| 14:08.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | what an ass |
| 14:08.22 | yakischloba | deception at every corner with this guy |
| 14:09.11 | muthu | is androidstore available? |
| 14:09.17 | muthu | that's a good domain to book |
| 14:09.29 | alex2308 | .com is gone |
| 14:09.32 | alex2308 | unfortunatelly |
| 14:09.40 | alex2308 | androidnerds.org is still free thoug |
| 14:09.47 | muthu | yeah, everything would be taken |
| 14:09.49 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'm hoping that enough people will be interested in the androidnerds.com model and will join up |
| 14:10.02 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: yeah, why not? |
| 14:10.28 | plusminus_ | what is the androidnerds.com model ? |
| 14:10.34 | plusminus_ | is the page yours ? |
| 14:10.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes |
| 14:10.47 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: will have ads on them!! |
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| 14:11.05 | alex2308 | its the "bomb dropping model" - drop your app there and get nothing in return |
| 14:11.19 | plusminus_ | maybe you should start working on it ... right now ? Instead of blaming others... |
| 14:11.29 | plusminus_ | alex2308: :-D |
| 14:11.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am working on it |
| 14:12.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu i won't have ads |
| 14:12.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | plusminus_: i have been working on it |
| 14:12.47 | plusminus_ | if you weren't using some of the words you recently used, I'd say you are a saint. |
| 14:13.00 | michaelnovakjr__ | what do you mean by saint? |
| 14:13.21 | plusminus_ | the perfect person |
| 14:13.24 | alex2308 | a priest |
| 14:13.28 | plusminus_ | yep |
| 14:13.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | its not about being perfect |
| 14:13.34 | alex2308 | or another holy person |
| 14:13.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | its about supporting what you use |
| 14:13.50 | alex2308 | ms windows? |
| 14:14.06 | plusminus_ | michaelnovakjr__: What do you think about MS Vista ? |
| 14:14.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | if you use it most pay for it :) |
| 14:14.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | i have a machine with it at work |
| 14:14.39 | michaelnovakjr__ | and i paid for it |
| 14:14.42 | plusminus_ | but what do you think of it? |
| 14:14.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | its not the greatest thing in the world |
| 14:15.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | i find it less user friendly that XP |
| 14:15.33 | plusminus_ | i think its so much better |
| 14:15.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea? |
| 14:16.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | what do you like about? |
| 14:16.18 | plusminus_ | I got it on my laptop and it crashed only ~ 4-5 times, because ASUS released no Graphics-Driver for my machine (had XP before) |
| 14:17.00 | alex2308 | its much more secure, but has lots of bugs |
| 14:17.01 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea, a few companies aren't making XP drivers though...... only Vista.... i know someone who couldn't go back because no XP drivers were available |
| 14:17.45 | gambler | I have 2 vista licenses and 1 XP license here im not using which is criminal since I just paid for XP MCE. And even more criminal that XBMC is a superior free app |
| 14:18.14 | plusminus_ | argh I want the Android-Debugger work !! |
| 14:18.15 | gambler | vista is the biggest pile of steaming crap i have ever seen |
| 14:18.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | plusminus_: do you use linux? |
| 14:18.29 | muthu | plusminus_: the debugger not working? |
| 14:18.44 | plusminus_ | from time to time :( |
| 14:18.49 | plusminus_ | @both ;) |
| 14:19.32 | plusminus_ | michaelnovakjr__: Let me give you an example why I don't like it. |
| 14:19.48 | plusminus_ | Programs do fucking what they want. |
| 14:19.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | on linux you mean? |
| 14:20.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | or windows? |
| 14:20.14 | plusminus_ | i.e. 'nano' you save a file with "STRG+O" ...... WTF !!!?!?!? |
| 14:21.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | that's nano though :) |
| 14:21.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | there's gedit |
| 14:21.42 | alex2308 | there's vim |
| 14:21.56 | plusminus_ | there's vi |
| 14:22.06 | plusminus_ | its like beng raped, imo |
| 14:22.18 | plusminus_ | being |
| 14:22.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | those are older apps though.... there's quite a few nice editors |
| 14:22.47 | alex2308 | my linux crashed more often than my vista and xp together. but i dont blame it. im much more experienced with windows than linux. guess its my fault. |
| 14:23.22 | plusminus_ | muthu: I often have to kill adb.exe to get the debugger and LogCat back working :( |
| 14:23.44 | michaelnovakjr__ | i have had that problem on windows before plusminus_ |
| 14:23.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | when i was using eclipse that is |
| 14:24.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | i don't use eclipse anymore |
| 14:24.20 | plusminus_ | ? |
| 14:24.21 | muthu | plusminus_: hmm, might be buggy |
| 14:24.37 | plusminus_ | waiting for the debugger to attach.................................... |
| 14:24.49 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea. i had that problem |
| 14:25.32 | plusminus_ | michaelnovakjr__: Back to the Open/Closed question..: |
| 14:25.46 | plusminus_ | I'd like to open my source so others cna learn from it, but |
| 14:26.10 | gambler | I have a question for the experts on this channel...does anyone know of a server software like DNS but for non-DNS records? { eg. features caching, global-namespace, scalable } (no DNS TXT entries won't do) |
| 14:26.17 | plusminus_ | I don't like to see them copying my code and profiting from it not even leayving an attribution |
| 14:26.34 | muthu | plusminus_: i can bet, that all of the 1788 apps benefitted from anddev.org |
| 14:26.56 | alex2308 | gambler a proxy? |
| 14:27.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | plusminus_: look at jasta's app.... |
| 14:27.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | that's open source |
| 14:27.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | and quite a nice app |
| 14:27.35 | plusminus_ | I should add a "If you use any of the code on anddev, you agree to the 'ALL YOUR CODE BELONGS to PLUSMINUS'-License" to the Page-Footer |
| 14:27.36 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: why then you are not joing jasta app? |
| 14:27.38 | gambler | alex2308, an actual server |
| 14:27.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu what do you mean? |
| 14:27.53 | plusminus_ | which is jastas app ? |
| 14:28.02 | alex2308 | its an mp3 player |
| 14:28.04 | gambler | alex2308, do you get where im coming from |
| 14:28.06 | plusminus_ | five ? |
| 14:28.19 | muthu | yes |
| 14:28.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes |
| 14:28.37 | alex2308 | gambler no |
| 14:28.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | and muthu, i plan on joining on it when its reasonable to develop again |
| 14:28.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | right now i am writing hack apps for android on the vogue |
| 14:29.30 | plusminus_ | "hack apps" ? |
| 14:30.16 | alex2308 | he is trying to get android running on the htc vogue |
| 14:30.22 | gambler | alex2308, GET com.sun.java.StringTemplate->Methods (returns list of StringTemplate Methods)...I know this doesnt exist. Im looking for existing software to implement something like this. |
| 14:30.52 | alex2308 | gambler no idea, sry |
| 14:31.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | plusminus_: android runs on a vogue.... so i'm writing a few apps to play around with on it |
| 14:31.27 | plusminus_ | alex2308: thx |
| 14:31.36 | michaelnovakjr__ | nothing too crazy |
| 14:31.59 | plusminus_ | do you have m5 running? |
| 14:32.01 | plusminus_ | or m3 ? |
| 14:33.14 | alex2308 | i think its m5 running on the vogue |
| 14:33.30 | alex2308 | but its not running of the rom, its inside an emulator called haret |
| 14:34.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | m5 |
| 14:34.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | it has data, phone, browser and sms working |
| 14:34.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/ |
| 14:34.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | that's the page for the guy who made it happen |
| 14:34.59 | plusminus_ | what about gps ? |
| 14:35.04 | alex2308 | it doesnt work for my htc touch diamond :/ |
| 14:35.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | i haven't tried it |
| 14:35.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'll be back in a bit |
| 14:35.25 | alex2308 | did someone write an email app? |
| 14:35.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | alex2308: i'm writing one |
| 14:35.44 | michaelnovakjr__ | and a slightly more functional sms app |
| 14:35.56 | plusminus_ | more functional than ? |
| 14:35.56 | alex2308 | nice |
| 14:36.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | plusminus_: the one thats on the image for vogue |
| 14:36.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | the guy who got it running wrote a really simple sms app to send and receive.... |
| 14:36.33 | plusminus_ | I started a SMS-Compression app but stopped as I saw that the SMS-Tables are not accessible o_O |
| 14:36.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | plusminus_: there will definitely be a standard one when android's released |
| 14:37.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'm writing one to make sms easier while playing around on the vogue |
| 14:37.24 | plusminus_ | yes but as thers no newer SDK we cannot know. |
| 14:37.44 | muthu | when's the next sdk? |
| 14:38.25 | plusminus_ | 2010 maybe |
| 14:38.32 | plusminus_ | ;) |
| 14:38.42 | alex2308 | i might get hands on the current sdk :) |
| 14:39.13 | muthu | the petition has garnered some votes |
| 14:39.18 | plusminus_ | O_O you live in darmstadt, right? where exaclty :-D |
| 14:39.35 | plusminus_ | muthu: 128 already |
| 14:39.57 | plusminus_ | not even spammers... lol |
| 14:41.03 | alex2308 | i life in frankfurt, i work in darmstadt |
| 14:41.08 | alex2308 | t-online allee |
| 14:41.32 | alex2308 | but i think i cant talk about it. its a t-mobile internal |
| 14:41.50 | spykid | Haha alex2308 now you have a lot of new friends :D |
| 14:42.04 | alex2308 | i dont get it? |
| 14:42.15 | muthu | alex2308: you have new sdk? |
| 14:42.23 | alex2308 | no |
| 14:42.40 | muthu | what's tmobile internal? |
| 14:43.19 | plusminus_ | he works for them and might be able to work with it, as T-Mobile is on the OHA, right? |
| 14:43.22 | alex2308 | internal, meaning i cant/wont talk about it |
| 14:43.28 | spykid | T-Mobile is a OHA member and when they prepare the rollout... |
| 14:43.29 | alex2308 | right plusminus_ |
| 14:43.38 | muthu | oh, i didn't know that |
| 14:43.51 | plusminus_ | you might accidentially send a copy to me... |
| 14:43.52 | muthu | i mean, alex2308 working for tmobile |
| 14:44.13 | plusminus_ | just like the " Final SDK build available (84853) deadline extended to Tuesday, August 5 "-Mistake :-D |
| 14:44.27 | alex2308 | lol sure |
| 14:44.46 | NiZoX | wtf ? final SDK ? |
| 14:44.48 | spykid | plusminus_: I think we will get hands on it in the next 6 weeks |
| 14:45.02 | muthu | alex2308: if i have an app, can you put it on tmobile store? |
| 14:45.16 | alex2308 | lol no |
| 14:45.32 | alex2308 | damnit, i should come back with different nick or else i will get spammed |
| 14:45.42 | plusminus_ | "in the next 6 weeks" so its been ~ 6months :( |
| 14:45.46 | spykid | alex2308: Lot of new friends |
| 14:45.48 | plusminus_ | sorry, but thats really poor |
| 14:45.52 | alex2308 | spykid now i get it |
| 14:46.16 | spykid | plusminus_: Grow up |
| 14:46.21 | muthu | cool.. i'll go with google store then ;) |
| 14:46.23 | plusminus_ | ? |
| 14:46.42 | alex2308 | what about androidnerds.org ? |
| 14:47.10 | muthu | what's special about it? |
| 14:47.22 | alex2308 | nothing |
| 14:48.08 | muthu | then what's the use? |
| 14:48.52 | alex2308 | nevermind |
| 14:49.19 | muthu | haha |
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| 14:56.56 | jasta | yawn |
| 14:58.00 | alex2308 | I have a lot of experience with the whole computer thing you know, emails, sending emails, receiving emails, deleting emails, I could go on. |
| 14:59.37 | spykid | It crowd |
| 15:01.03 | alex2308 | best |
| 15:02.12 | alex2308 | im off |
| 15:02.28 | alex2308 | l8er closed source dudez |
| 15:02.38 | alex2308 | l8er open source dudez, too |
| 15:03.21 | jasta | "l8er"? "dudez"? |
| 15:03.30 | jasta | rolls his eyes |
| 15:03.45 | anno^da_ | haha jasta I was starting to write the same |
| 15:03.59 | spykid | He's german and cool ;) |
| 15:05.00 | anno^da_ | german yeah :). But even more he is a troll. |
| 15:05.42 | jasta | spykid: what has he done that's cool? |
| 15:07.42 | spykid | jasta: He thinks talking like this is acting cool |
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| 15:07.55 | muthu | he works for tmobile |
| 15:07.58 | muthu | and thinks he's cool |
| 15:08.15 | jasta | does he work at a kiosk? :) |
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| 15:08.49 | muthu | lol |
| 15:08.57 | muthu | guess he runs androidnerds |
| 15:09.15 | jasta | whats that?> |
| 15:09.27 | muthu | not another android site ;) |
| 15:09.56 | jasta | Running and Android news site must be real easy anyway. There hasn't been any news on the platform like, ever. |
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| 15:12.28 | jasta | i can recap the last 9 months pretty easily: Android announced; shortly after SDK released. Android challenge announced. M5 SDK update. Android challenge winners selected. Launch date confirmed at Q4 2008. |
| 15:12.48 | muthu | http://yooryoo.com/2008/07/the-rumors-were-true-the-gphone-revealed/ |
| 15:12.49 | anno^da_ | You forgot the IO |
| 15:12.50 | anno^da_ | :) |
| 15:13.08 | jasta | Was I/O newsworthy? |
| 15:13.23 | anno^da_ | Hmm ok. |
| 15:13.23 | anno^da_ | :) |
| 15:13.35 | anno^da_ | For the developers it was kind of newsworthy. |
| 15:13.59 | anno^da_ | But ok for the normal folks it want. But even the SDK is not important for the normal folks. |
| 15:14.02 | jasta | I'm a developer, and I don't agree :) |
| 15:14.08 | jasta | It was fun, but not newsworthy :) |
| 15:14.17 | anno^da_ | :) |
| 15:14.32 | anno^da_ | ok I wont argue with you in that point :D |
| 15:14.33 | jasta | We got to see a device running briefly, which was nice. But actually, it didn't look much different than when we got to see that on the initial YouTube videos. |
| 15:15.02 | jasta | I am certain I/O was much more productive for engineers interested in other products. Not Android. :) |
| 15:15.51 | anno^da_ | Yeah but the conference talks about Dalvik was for example interesting for me. There was nothing about it in the docs. (and I'm no real developer :) ) |
| 15:15.51 | jasta | The appropriate response from a massive developer conference would have been details on the developing platform, the SDK, launch, etc. |
| 15:16.28 | jasta | anno^da_: The Dalvik talk revealed nothing useful that a seasoned developer wouldn't already know. |
| 15:16.57 | anno^da_ | Yeah for you but not for a non seasoned developer :) |
| 15:17.57 | jasta | True, it was catering to a different audience. |
| 15:18.08 | anno^da_ | Yeah thats what I meant. |
| 15:18.13 | jasta | Well, I still had a positive feeling leaving the conference. |
| 15:18.20 | jasta | So I guess I won't knock it any more :) |
| 15:22.04 | anno^da_ | I'm just here feeding michaelnovakjr__ and you with new application ideas. :) (thinking again about a remote for my Squeezecenter :D) |
| 15:44.16 | jasta | doesn't work that way. |
| 15:44.43 | jasta | a lot of folks make that mistake, but generally, the appeal of open source is working on your OWN ideas. that's what makes it different from a day job. |
| 15:44.56 | anno^da_ | I'm trying that at the moment. ;) |
| 15:45.22 | anno^da_ | And it is a lot of fun even if I#m not that good in programming. |
| 15:46.13 | anno^da_ | Perhaps being not that good in programming was a reason why the IO was interesting to me |
| 15:46.26 | anno^da_ | (the videos of the IO) |
| 15:48.44 | anno^da_ | And thats the reason why I will write my own remote app and michaelnovakjr__ can use it and hate it for not being that perfect. :-D |
| 15:49.27 | anno^da_ | But even as a non programmer you can attribute other things like docs or comments on the UI or usability things. |
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| 16:25.28 | jasta | yawn |
| 16:26.13 | anno^da_ | Oh cdbaby is offering mp3 downloads. Now they have to switch to FLAC and everything is perfect. :) |
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| 16:29.49 | jasta | jams to the FOALS as he gets ready for work |
| 16:31.24 | anno^da | jams to UPROOT his latest catch at cdbaby |
| 16:37.41 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: let's go ahead and try to get a log of Five crashing. |
| 16:37.44 | jasta | will you be around? |
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| 17:30.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | anno^da: why would i hate it? |
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| 17:51.51 | zhobbs_ | this is a very important app that we'll need for android: |
| 17:51.52 | zhobbs_ | http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/ibeer_gets_the_lager_on_the_iphone.php |
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| 17:54.25 | sayers | zhobbs, hahaha |
| 17:54.34 | sayers | I'm currently developing basic GUI apps ;S |
| 17:57.15 | zhobbs_ | sayers: ahh, so you're learning android? |
| 17:57.26 | sayers | yep |
| 17:57.28 | sayers | I love it! |
| 17:57.33 | sayers | I just started and it's a very nice SDK |
| 17:57.47 | sayers | Almost finished porting one of my old java applications to it |
| 17:58.44 | zhobbs_ | sounds good |
| 17:58.55 | zhobbs_ | it is a cool SDK...just can't wait for the phones |
| 17:59.19 | sayers | zhobbs_, what phones will use it? |
| 17:59.56 | zhobbs_ | well, HTC, Samsung, and Motorolla are all in the OHA |
| 18:00.04 | zhobbs_ | the rumor is that HTC will be the first to market |
| 18:00.36 | sayers | hm |
| 18:00.42 | sayers | the HTC looks like android's emu |
| 18:00.43 | plusminus_ | zhobbs I'm just thinking of how they made iBeer... is the "beer" a video or what... |
| 18:00.56 | sayers | plusminus_, probably a graphic that uses accelermoters |
| 18:01.01 | sayers | or that'd be the coolest |
| 18:01.08 | romainguy___ | plusminus_: it doesn't look that good when you play that "game" :) |
| 18:01.13 | sayers | would require a lot of liquid physics |
| 18:01.50 | zhobbs_ | plusminus_: I was wondering the same thing, would be hard to make one that really looked good |
| 18:02.26 | zhobbs_ | romainguy___: any apps in the app store impress you? |
| 18:03.22 | zhobbs_ | I wish I had an iphone...was hoping to snatch up a cheap first gen model...but they're still expensive |
| 18:03.34 | sayers | Why would you want one |
| 18:03.51 | sayers | SWEET OMG MY APP WORKS |
| 18:03.55 | sayers | is so happy! |
| 18:04.27 | zhobbs_ | congrats :) |
| 18:04.40 | zhobbs_ | get it ready for ADC II |
| 18:04.51 | sayers | ? |
| 18:05.15 | zhobbs_ | sayers: http://code.google.com/android/adc.html |
| 18:05.15 | sayers | I need to change the content panel it's in to scroll view |
| 18:05.52 | sayers | zhobbs_, If you knew what the application was :) |
| 18:05.58 | zhobbs_ | google is giving away $5 M for ADC I, and another $5 M for ADC II sometime in '09 |
| 18:06.02 | zhobbs_ | ha, what is it? |
| 18:06.06 | sayers | It |
| 18:06.11 | sayers | here let me get my description |
| 18:07.50 | sayers | zhobbs_, it's called rate a girl and here is the descp. "Rate a girl is a fun little Teen Linux Lounge project which is meant to make describing the qualities of said girl a lot easier, it works by taking input and sending a integer as output. That output can be compared to see who is the best." |
| 18:08.26 | anno^da | michaelnovakjr__: Well I'm not really good in programming so the remote could be very crappy at the beginning. But I'm doing my best. And it will be open source. :) |
| 18:08.54 | zhobbs_ | sayers: hah, is it like hotornot.com or something? |
| 18:09.54 | sayers | zhobbs_, no it's for when you are around friends trying to rate how decent a girl is worth dating or not perhaps, and instead of taking a few minutes describing all their feats you can just use Rate a Girl and tell them the output. |
| 18:10.25 | AttractiveApe | That's kind of simple :/ |
| 18:10.39 | zhobbs_ | seems simple enough |
| 18:10.43 | sayers | Yep |
| 18:10.59 | sayers | It took me 2 hours to figure out the API and get it into code form on the phone |
| 18:11.09 | sayers | So I say the api is very nice. |
| 18:14.14 | zhobbs_ | Carrier's worst fears: "With AIM available in the iPhone's App Store, you can now send and receive SMS messages without paying for a plan or individual messages. First, download AIM onto your iPhone, then start it up. If you want to send a text message to (617) 555-1212, just send a new IM to +16175551212. You should receive a confirmation message from AOL saying your message has been sent, and the user can reply and you'll receive it on your phone as |
| 18:17.26 | yakischloba | I saw that too a couple days ago. Thats absurd. They're worried that people with $50+ data plans are going to drop their $5 SMS plan? What a joke |
| 18:18.03 | yakischloba | or are iPhone plans somehow different than normal data and SMS plans? |
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| 18:31.02 | sayers | yakischloba, hahaha |
| 18:31.05 | sayers | every penny counts to them |
| 18:31.27 | AttractiveApe | arpu must go up. average revenue per unit. |
| 18:31.48 | yakischloba | Meet a girl at a bar: "Hey uhh so heres my phone number but you'll have to hit me up on AIM if you want to txt" |
| 18:32.42 | sayers | haha |
| 18:32.51 | yakischloba | I dropped my data plan because my MotoQ sucks IMO but it'll be a long time before I drop SMS. |
| 18:33.14 | sayers | SMS is very popular |
| 18:33.34 | sayers | I perfer to not talk to people I know at all but |
| 18:33.35 | yakischloba | Yeah. and if they think people are going to stop using it to haggle around with AIM they're crazy. |
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| 18:34.14 | yakischloba | Maybe I'd use AIM to talk to the 5 or 10 people I know with smartphones |
| 18:34.27 | yakischloba | and then I'd still need SMS for the rest of the world |
| 18:34.33 | AttractiveApe | I'd rather just get free unlimited texting. |
| 18:34.41 | sayers | I'd use AIM to talk to people I usually talk to |
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| 18:44.53 | jasta | yawn |
| 18:46.39 | f00f- | ditto that |
| 18:47.12 | sayers | How do I do the long notification shown in the api demos? |
| 18:47.47 | romainguy___ | look at the source code of the ApiDemos :) |
| 18:47.49 | jasta | what long notification? |
| 18:47.51 | romainguy___ | There's a constant for that |
| 18:47.53 | sayers | which is where romainguy |
| 18:47.59 | jasta | sayers: it's distributed with the SDK |
| 18:48.02 | romainguy___ | in the SDK |
| 18:48.24 | sayers | Ah! |
| 18:48.24 | jasta | sayers: i think you're referring to Toast's btw. just look them up as romain said. |
| 18:48.26 | sayers | thanks |
| 18:48.31 | f00f- | Toast.LONG or osmehting |
| 18:49.57 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: did you get that log? |
| 18:50.07 | sayers | Why name it toast... |
| 18:50.46 | jasta | like in mortal kombat? :) |
| 18:51.08 | zhobbs_ | sayers: cause it "pops up" I think |
| 18:52.10 | sayers | I have no idea what the resID for toast is |
| 18:53.41 | jasta | sayers: when you see a res ID like that, it is likely a convenience for the system to lookup a string resource from strings.xml |
| 18:54.02 | jasta | you need not use that convenience, but do realize that placing your strings in strings.xml does make it possible to localize your app. |
| 18:54.06 | jasta | whereas hardcoding them in the application does not. |
| 18:54.18 | sayers | jasta, ah, so I could enter null |
| 18:54.26 | sayers | O my gosh! I don't have to restart android each test. |
| 18:54.32 | jasta | sayers: there are multiple methods in Toast.makeText |
| 18:54.35 | jasta | look at them all. |
| 18:54.55 | jasta | and read the documentation, please. |
| 18:55.35 | plusminus_ | bye |
| 18:58.30 | sayers | jasta, well on a less negative "read the doc == boring :) " note I got the toast to show up. |
| 18:59.07 | jasta | sayers: Talking to you will get very boring for me if you don't read them, though. |
| 18:59.38 | sayers | Atleast I ask very specific questions :) and only one thus far |
| 19:03.36 | zhobbs_ | sayers: you don't need to restart the emulator each time you tun |
| 19:03.38 | zhobbs_ | run* |
| 19:03.51 | sayers | yeah, I just found that out |
| 19:03.55 | sayers | I wish I knew that earlier :) |
| 19:10.56 | jasta | a lot of folks are confused by that, apparently. |
| 19:11.06 | jasta | i never was, it seemed obvious to me. but meh :) |
| 19:13.58 | sayers | jasta, Haha :) well I was underestimating the awesomeness |
| 19:14.04 | sayers | better to do that :) |
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| 19:14.23 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: *poke* |
| 19:15.51 | michaelnovakjr_ | hey |
| 19:16.03 | michaelnovakjr_ | hey AttractiveApe |
| 19:17.10 | michaelnovakjr_ | hey jasta |
| 19:17.19 | jasta | did you create that log? |
| 19:17.35 | jasta | the problem we were having with AttractiveApe's environment was that we couldn't replicate the hanging application when using the logcatter. |
| 19:17.41 | jasta | instead, the app just wouldn't open. |
| 19:17.54 | michaelnovakjr_ | hm, |
| 19:18.01 | jasta | did you have different results? |
| 19:18.08 | michaelnovakjr_ | i would like to know how he's got a good data connection |
| 19:18.39 | jasta | possibly just his service area is providing different coverage, which the phone better supports. |
| 19:18.50 | jasta | for example, perhaps he is getting EVDO Rev A service and you are not. |
| 19:19.01 | jasta | but it doesn't matter. if you sync five-client once you don't need to again |
| 19:19.12 | jasta | and five-music doesn't need a network connection (it'll crash before it gets that far) |
| 19:19.42 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea, but to get the logcat out to my machine.... |
| 19:20.26 | jasta | oh that's true :) |
| 19:20.50 | jasta | if only we had USB working :( |
| 19:20.53 | michaelnovakjr_ | oh, wait i forgot....i kept a connection on windows mobile side open and it worked a lot better last night |
| 19:21.14 | jasta | oh yeah. that's what the PPP settings fix, btw. |
| 19:21.19 | jasta | they permit the device to dial the connection itself |
| 19:21.23 | jasta | instead of just hijacking an active one |
| 19:21.47 | jasta | (how it hijacks a PPP session from HaRET is a mystery to me, though) |
| 19:21.50 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea, i just have to figure out what the ppp settings are supposed to be |
| 19:22.33 | jasta | call sprint, ask for a level 2 tech |
| 19:22.57 | michaelnovakjr_ | they give the information? |
| 19:23.00 | AttractiveApe | yawns |
| 19:23.05 | michaelnovakjr_ | howdy |
| 19:23.13 | AttractiveApe | hey all. |
| 19:23.33 | michaelnovakjr_ | AttractiveApe: do you have sprint? |
| 19:24.00 | AttractiveApe | no |
| 19:24.10 | AttractiveApe | I'm in west Canada, so I have Telus. |
| 19:24.24 | jasta | that could also be the issue :) |
| 19:24.30 | AttractiveApe | My phone has an evdo reva connection in WinMo, not sure about Android. |
| 19:24.33 | jasta | sprint's network may operate differently :) |
| 19:24.34 | michaelnovakjr_ | hm, i'm trying to get my connection to stay up |
| 19:24.46 | jasta | i had trouble with the touch i used as well |
| 19:24.50 | michaelnovakjr_ | but i get like 30 seconds of network every so often |
| 19:24.51 | jasta | network wouldn't stay up for more than about 5 minutes |
| 19:25.13 | AttractiveApe | heh, I don't have that problem |
| 19:25.25 | AttractiveApe | I removed the ppp setline in my default.txt, since I don't know what I need for Telus |
| 19:25.43 | AttractiveApe | and my data connection seems to work fine, I don't even need to prime it, since I have push email setup. |
| 19:25.44 | michaelnovakjr_ | hm, you just commented it out? |
| 19:25.48 | AttractiveApe | yes |
| 19:25.52 | michaelnovakjr_ | interesting.... |
| 19:27.14 | michaelnovakjr_ | i'm giving that a try |
| 19:31.14 | michaelnovakjr_ | is the code for the wireless available? |
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| 19:34.21 | djsiegel | I'm getting this notorious "Your content must have a ListView whose id attribute is android.R.id.list" exception and I can't figure out why. Here's my layout -- I'm trying to run a tabhost demo -- http://paste2.org/p/51216 |
| 19:35.27 | djsiegel | I read that I need to s/@+id/@android:id but that doesn't seem to work. |
| 19:35.48 | romainguy___ | first of all you need a ListView if you use a ListActivity |
| 19:35.58 | romainguy___ | apparently here you don't need/want a ListActivity |
| 19:35.58 | jasta | djsiegel: you need a listview, obviously. |
| 19:35.58 | djsiegel | Ah, that makes perfect sense. |
| 19:36.01 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea |
| 19:36.01 | romainguy___ | so use Activity instead |
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| 19:36.27 | michaelnovakjr_ | it looks for android:list as the id if you use a ListActivity |
| 19:36.43 | djsiegel | ok, I see |
| 19:36.59 | djsiegel | yeah, I changed my activity to subclass Activity instead and it works (sort of) |
| 19:37.01 | djsiegel | thank you |
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| 19:37.33 | djsiegel | Does anyone know of a better tab demo> |
| 19:37.45 | djsiegel | Or where I can find the source of the default android contacts application? |
| 19:38.03 | romainguy___ | it's not available yet |
| 19:39.18 | djsiegel | ok, thank you |
| 19:42.29 | jasta | djsiegel: i had createda pretty advanced tab demonstration |
| 19:42.44 | jasta | http://devtcg.blogspot.com/2008/03/advanced-tab-activity-demo.html |
| 19:43.00 | jasta | it's perhaps a little more than you were looking for though. |
| 19:43.50 | michaelnovakjr_ | jasta glance is coming along |
| 19:44.24 | AttractiveApe | Does it run nicely on the Vogue, michaelnovakjr_? |
| 19:44.29 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea |
| 19:44.45 | michaelnovakjr_ | i am testing it on there now |
| 19:45.08 | jasta | michaelnovakjr_: yeah, i scoped it out a bit today |
| 19:45.22 | jasta | you need to use an adapter filter, though. |
| 19:45.25 | michaelnovakjr_ | i need to add a few more things just to the browser its |
| 19:45.27 | jasta | so you can type to narrow large lists |
| 19:45.55 | michaelnovakjr_ | i want to fix the icons so they are correct |
| 19:46.10 | michaelnovakjr_ | and disable the back btn when at the parent directory |
| 19:46.26 | michaelnovakjr_ | i committed a slightly more updated version like 20 minutes ago |
| 19:50.25 | michaelnovakjr_ | :) |
| 19:50.38 | michaelnovakjr_ | espn autorefresh.... keeps my connection alive |
| 19:53.13 | AttractiveApe | via the browser? |
| 19:53.30 | michaelnovakjr_ | via IE |
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| 19:57.56 | AttractiveApe | pocket IE, you mean? |
| 19:58.05 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea |
| 19:58.08 | AttractiveApe | ah, k |
| 19:58.19 | AttractiveApe | try that from within Android |
| 19:58.54 | michaelnovakjr_ | good idea |
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| 20:43.50 | anno^da | jasta: I got a question about your TabActivity example. I've just tried to add one Tab. Is it right that I just have to add one activity with the name e.g "Four" and add the name to the Array? Or do I have to change something in addition? |
| 20:45.18 | anno^da | Because I get four tabs now but after clickling on the fourth tab I get a null pointer exception. But the Four.java including the activity content is available and I don't really get the reason why. |
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| 20:48.57 | jasta | anno^da: is the activity declared in your manifest? |
| 20:49.24 | jasta | also, look at adb logcat to see the call stack of the exception. it will reveal more information to you about what you've done wrong. |
| 20:51.02 | anno^da | ah thats it :( sorry for that. |
| 20:51.26 | anno^da | I forgot to decalre it shame one me :/ |
| 20:52.03 | anno^da | But thank you. Just missed this point. |
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| 20:52.41 | jasta | Please heed my suggestion about adb logcat. using this output will help you quickly resolve a wide range of problems when developing on Android. |
| 20:52.55 | jasta | I typically have it open in another window all the while I'm testing. |
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| 20:53.53 | jasta | and I use Log.d calls from within my application to monitor state occassionally while I'm developing. Though don't spend too much time trying to make that type of debugging work for you. If it doesn't work to initially solve the problem, fire up a real debugger and set breakpoints. |
| 20:54.17 | anno^da | Yeah I will do that. I have the Logcat output open normally looking for my Tags . |
| 20:54.17 | jasta | Though do note that because of bugs in the current SDK, watch points and expressions will NOT work correctly from within the Eclipse plugin. |
| 20:54.55 | anno^da | Ok thank you for your advices. |
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| 21:01.31 | f00f- | i still haven't used a debugger for my app |
| 21:01.36 | f00f- | stacktraces usually fix the problem |
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| 21:03.48 | anno^da | But Jasta I like your clean style for the UI. |
| 21:05.13 | f00f- | pics? |
| 21:05.15 | f00f- | oh five |
| 21:05.15 | f00f- | right |
| 21:05.57 | anno^da | Mmh even the tabs are nice. I know that from the technical point of view it is not that much. But its clean and just nice. |
| 21:06.19 | anno^da | When I look at the Top50 apps there are soooo crappy UIs :D |
| 21:07.18 | f00f- | like our UI |
| 21:07.27 | anno^da | what have you done ? |
| 21:07.56 | f00f- | PedNav |
| 21:07.59 | f00f- | it's an ugly pos |
| 21:08.41 | anno^da | Yeah the screens look nice. |
| 21:08.51 | anno^da | http://www.routeme2.com/products/pednav/ |
| 21:08.53 | anno^da | right ? |
| 21:08.56 | f00f- | yeah |
| 21:09.00 | anno^da | Great. |
| 21:09.18 | f00f- | glad you like it, hopefully they will improve slightly |
| 21:09.24 | f00f- | we only put the best screens on the site |
| 21:10.16 | anno^da | :) |
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| 21:14.43 | anno^da | So and for now I'm saying goodbye. Thanks for your help guys. |
| 21:16.08 | anno^da | likes to add. If someone knows how to access HTTPS site through the HttpClient(4) drop me a message. :-) I'm still searching. |
| 21:21.51 | jasta | anno^da: UI is not my specialty, but I'm glad you like what I've put together. |
| 21:22.52 | anno^da | The thing is most people tend towards doing too much UI. Mostly if they are not so skilled. |
| 21:23.29 | anno^da | There are often too much icons, too much color, color that dont get together and so on. |
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| 21:31.55 | f00f- | anno^da: HTTPS access is an issue i've heard |
| 21:32.11 | f00f- | anno^da: so too bad if you're developing a banking app :/ |
| 21:33.01 | anno^da | Hmm not really just accessing the delicious API |
| 21:33.09 | sayers | if I use droid draw, how do I move the edit text field below the label, instead of it stacking |
| 21:33.09 | anno^da | and it is not possible :/ |
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| 21:40.09 | jasta | sayers: none of us here use DroidDraw i don't think. |
| 21:40.23 | jasta | and its not officially supported by anyone here, so... :) |
| 21:40.29 | sayers | hehe |
| 21:40.40 | sayers | Well, I guess you all are mad programmers ;) |
| 21:40.48 | jasta | mad? |
| 21:40.49 | sayers | Not that the XML creation is TOO hard |
| 21:40.54 | sayers | good. |
| 21:41.08 | sayers | I just find GUI development difficult and it takes a lot of time for me. |
| 21:41.13 | jasta | I don't think we're *all* good programmers at all ;) |
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| 21:41.36 | jasta | But all I meant to say was that if you use DroidDraw, don't expect much help from us. |
| 21:41.47 | jasta | Or from anyone, really. I'd just craft the XML yourself. |
| 21:42.02 | sayers | Yeah, I will as I get better, for now this is a good tool |
| 21:42.12 | sayers | I modify the XML's at the moment, but i don't hand write them just yet. |
| 21:44.07 | jasta | Suit yourself. |
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| 21:49.33 | f00f- | droiddraw is a waste of time |
| 21:49.37 | f00f- | if it's not perfect, it's not worth it. |
| 21:49.55 | f00f- | very few gui builders can chown hand-coded layouts |
| 21:54.06 | jasta | f00f-: do you know if you need to use a multithreaded connection manager with HttpClient in order to share references to executed methods between threads? |
| 21:54.32 | jasta | I'm assuming the correct behaviour for terminating a blocking reading thread is to just invoke releaseConnection on the method being read from |
| 21:54.36 | jasta | But I'm not sure if that's thread safe. |
| 21:54.48 | jasta | I assumed it was in all my earlier programers, but it just popped into my head that I should confirm :) |
| 21:55.29 | jasta | that is, the main UI thread would call method.releaseConnection() while the reading thread is busy reading method.getResponseBodyAsInputStream. |
| 21:55.41 | jasta | obviously that would be bad if method is not thread-safe using the default connection manager. |
| 21:56.22 | f00f- | jasta: wow, that i dont know about that, once you consume the content, i dont know what happens |
| 21:56.30 | f00f- | I actually need to keep an HttpResponse object around |
| 21:56.43 | f00f- | i wonder if it'll persist after i consume the response body |
| 21:56.49 | f00f- | not sure about threads though |
| 21:57.03 | jasta | f00f-: i'm referring to when you want to specifically cancel the request. |
| 21:57.10 | jasta | whilst the reading thread is busy. |
| 21:57.13 | f00f- | oh |
| 21:57.26 | jasta | such as for example in onStop/onDestroy() or from the cancel handler of a progressdialog. |
| 21:57.40 | jasta | you could be lazy and just let it dangle there still connected |
| 21:58.05 | jasta | but but that would require very special care not to create race conditions, so its worth it to avoid them correctly |
| 22:01.14 | jasta | -but* :) |
| 22:01.34 | jasta | i read on the httpclient docs that it's "fully thread-safe" when using a multithreaded connection manager |
| 22:01.43 | jasta | but it makes no claim as to what the default connection manager is. |
| 22:01.50 | jasta | i can assume it's partially thread-safe, but thread-safe in this way? hmm. |
| 22:02.41 | jasta | romainguy___: do you know? |
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| 22:15.43 | Dougie187 | Good Evening |
| 22:19.24 | jasta | sup |
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| 22:53.57 | djsiegel | Can someone tell me how to access resources from other apps -- for example, is the address book application available somewhere? |
| 22:54.47 | djsiegel | Gah -- I meant, is the address book icon available? |
| 22:55.15 | f00f- | uh |
| 22:55.20 | f00f- | use a ContentProvider |
| 22:55.28 | f00f- | would that work for your requirement? |
| 22:58.08 | djsiegel | Maybe... |
| 22:59.51 | jasta | the address book will be provided using the contacts provider. |
| 22:59.53 | jasta | so use that. |
| 23:00.01 | jasta | and it's available now, even. check the ApiDemos that utilize it. |
| 23:02.29 | djsiegel | no, jasta, I want the icon |
| 23:02.35 | djsiegel | just the address book icon |
| 23:02.51 | romainguy___ | you can use the package manager for that |
| 23:02.51 | jasta | what icon? |
| 23:03.29 | djsiegel | So, when you launch Android's default contacts program |
| 23:03.37 | djsiegel | it has two tabs -- contacts and Favorites |
| 23:03.42 | djsiegel | I want to use those icons |
| 23:03.52 | djsiegel | I'm guessing I cannot |
| 23:04.15 | romainguy | romainguy___: you can use the package manager for that |
| 23:05.35 | f00f- | cloning is not allowed. |
| 23:08.44 | jasta | djsiegel: as romain said, the package manager can access those resources for you |
| 23:08.56 | jasta | there's another way to extract them, but i'd rather not tell you what it is :) |
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| 23:32.20 | djsiegel | Ok, I've found the drawable I want with getPackageManager ().getDrawable ("com.google.android.contacts", 0x7f020015, null) |
| 23:32.32 | djsiegel | But I feel like that is not very reliable |
| 23:33.20 | romainguy___ | WIth the package manager you can ask for the resources of com.google.android.contacts |
| 23:33.29 | romainguy___ | then you can ask for the id of a specific resource |
| 23:33.37 | djsiegel | Ah, ok. |
| 23:33.44 | romainguy___ | for instance com.google.android.contacts:drawable/app_icon |
| 23:33.48 | romainguy___ | and then get its Drawable |
| 23:33.50 | romainguy___ | note however that: |
| 23:34.05 | romainguy___ | 1. it can break if names change (the package names have changed after M5 for isntance) |
| 23:34.07 | romainguy___ | 2. it's very slow |
| 23:34.09 | Kraln | romainguy: should let me have the source to dalvik so I can compile it for iphone |
| 23:34.20 | Kraln | :-D |
| 23:34.40 | romainguy___ | The iPhone SDK license does not allow you to do this I believe |
| 23:34.52 | romainguy___ | at least that's what I gathered by reading news about the SDK |
| 23:35.11 | Kraln | not from what I saw- it said if you're doing FOSS stuff you just have to abide by the FOSS license |
| 23:35.21 | romainguy___ | that's not the issue |
| 23:35.38 | Kraln | oh, which clause was it then? |
| 23:35.43 | romainguy___ | my understanding is that the license explicitly forbids to write interpreters/VMs |
| 23:35.49 | romainguy___ | I don't know, I haven't read the license |
| 23:36.33 | Kraln | oh yeah, you're right |
| 23:36.40 | Kraln | that's clause 3.3.2 :-/ |
| 23:36.47 | romainguy___ | :( |
| 23:36.48 | f00f- | lame |
| 23:36.59 | f00f- | i need a JVM on the iPHone |
| 23:40.43 | davidw | I talked to Steve, and while he was really tempted by having Hecl on the iPhone, I guess the business needs outweighed it... |
| 23:41.17 | Kraln | you know |
| 23:41.21 | Kraln | that precludes emulators, too. |
| 23:41.30 | Kraln | so I guess no nintendo emulator from me |
| 23:44.43 | davidw | sleep time for me....ciao |
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| 23:49.08 | AttractiveApe | Yeah, that's probably the reasoning. |
| 23:49.42 | djsiegel | So, I've been learning android for a couple days now, and reading documentation wasn't working so I'm going to clone the contacts application. I'm using Tango/GNOME icons and they look so much better than the default theme icons... |
| 23:57.53 | romainguy___ | they might but they look different from the rest of the system :( |
| 23:58.39 | f00f- | davidw: steve is an idiot |
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