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| 20:33.02 | tomgibara | I can't be certain, but I think that the phone process started chewing up all of the emulated processor time |
| 20:33.24 | tomgibara | I got a dialog offering to kill the process |
| 20:33.38 | ttuttle | Any word on the SDK? |
| 20:33.44 | SanMehat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.46 | ttuttle | Oh. |
| 20:33.48 | ttuttle | SanMehat: lol |
| 20:33.51 | umdk1d3 | haha |
| 20:33.54 | SanMehat | B E H O L D! |
| 20:33.59 | herriojr | so, to get apps installed on the vogue, I just stick all the files I get from http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/ on an sd card, right? |
| 20:34.05 | ttuttle | Didn't I tell you guys Google wasn't lying? :-P |
| 20:35.12 | morrildl | tomgibara: phone process is often shorthand for "something the system went haywire" |
| 20:35.13 | herriojr | I don't need to unpack the filesystem onto the sdcard |
| 20:35.28 | morrildl | tomgibara: we've fixed a lot of those, don't worry about it too much unless it's easily reproducible |
| 20:35.36 | tomgibara | morrildl: sure |
| 20:36.13 | herriojr | nvm |
| 20:36.29 | chomchom | http://pastebin.com/meebab1e can everyone else see a youtube and welcome activity bookmark on their homesceen? |
| 20:37.32 | AttractiveApe | herriojr: I'd wait a bit, Martin is probably going to be doing some new things. |
| 20:38.09 | AttractiveApe | jasta: how did your crappy blog get #1 for the keyword 'android vogue'? |
| 20:38.39 | ttuttle | SanMehat: /me is soooooooo happy. |
| 20:38.46 | SanMehat | ;) |
| 20:39.19 | jasta | AttractiveApe: almost certainly because i linked to martin and more succinctly discussed it. |
| 20:40.29 | AttractiveApe | jasta: how does a CDMA phone have GPRS? |
| 20:41.18 | jasta | did i write that? |
| 20:43.01 | romainguy__ | chomchom: these are Browser bookmarks |
| 20:43.33 | jasta | romainguy__: so, i have an architectural question for you about the music app |
| 20:43.46 | romainguy__ | shoot |
| 20:44.19 | jasta | romainguy__: when you load say the home screen and it shows that you are currently playing a song (or it doesn't if you're not), how is this working to hide that the UI could have been presented before it knew this question? |
| 20:44.29 | jasta | i phrased that goofy i guess. |
| 20:44.39 | romainguy__ | yes it's a bit obscure :) |
| 20:44.54 | jasta | what i mean is, does it bind and then wait for the player service connection before it presents any UI at all? |
| 20:45.08 | romainguy__ | you mean the first screen in the music app? |
| 20:45.32 | jasta | or any of the screens. obviously there is some service that tells it what's going on. what song is playing, etc. |
| 20:45.38 | jasta | it hooks that info into all of the screens |
| 20:45.44 | jasta | but it can't know that in onCreate() |
| 20:45.50 | jasta | it has to bind to a service, then some time later it knows that info |
| 20:45.55 | jasta | so what is the policy for how to handle that in the UI? |
| 20:46.07 | romainguy__ | it does bind to a service in onCreate() |
| 20:46.13 | jasta | it was a big dilemma i had with five. since each activity has to make this connection, it seemed to make the UI feel slow to do this. |
| 20:46.26 | jasta | romainguy__: right, but the basic UI needs to have the service connected before it can present anything, right? |
| 20:46.44 | davidw | thing takes forever to boot...hope it's just the first time |
| 20:46.53 | romainguy__ | davidw: yes |
| 20:46.54 | jasta | so in onCreate(), what does it draw? does it hide everything, then show it all when the service is connected? |
| 20:46.58 | romainguy__ | no |
| 20:47.04 | jasta | or rather, what does it setup to draw. |
| 20:47.04 | romainguy__ | it shows everything but the now playing at the bottom |
| 20:47.14 | davidw | romainguy, hope real phones are faster/better at managing expectations |
| 20:47.19 | romainguy__ | and that gets displayed when the service callsback with a status |
| 20:47.19 | jasta | romainguy__: and so the UI just changes before the user can notice? |
| 20:47.27 | romainguy__ | yes |
| 20:47.28 | romainguy__ | in this case |
| 20:47.36 | romainguy__ | worst case, the UI updates a little bit later |
| 20:47.37 | romainguy__ | and that's fine |
| 20:47.40 | jasta | because it doesn't seem like it does that. |
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| 20:47.47 | jasta | i just watched it after trying to force the app closed |
| 20:47.57 | jasta | the whole UI faded in with that screen at the bottom |
| 20:48.11 | romainguy__ | and yet that's what the code seems to be doing |
| 20:48.17 | jasta | scratches his head |
| 20:48.23 | jasta | because Five always seemed to have a noticable delay |
| 20:48.38 | romainguy__ | davidw: what do you mean? |
| 20:48.41 | jasta | not long, but like a fraction of a second and the UI would just flip to show something it learned from the service |
| 20:49.04 | jasta | like the artist/songs screen would have the same. it shows an icon next to the currently playing song |
| 20:50.15 | romainguy__ | apparently the music player keeps the service connction in a static field |
| 20:50.31 | romainguy__ | so if the process is still around, but the activity is killed, it must be very fast |
| 20:50.38 | ttuttle | Ooh, it's got the pulsating Android -D |
| 20:50.40 | ttuttle | *=D |
| 20:51.35 | jasta | romainguy__: ohhhhhhh |
| 20:51.39 | ttuttle | Ooh, and the Alarm Clock supports as many alarms as you want ;-) |
| 20:51.49 | davidw | romainguy, I mean that if I buy a new phone and it sits there for a minute the first time I turn it on, I'm going to react "oh...hrm" |
| 20:51.52 | romainguy__ | jasta: it keeps a Map<Context, Service> |
| 20:52.08 | romainguy__ | davidw: wait & see :) |
| 20:52.16 | umdk1d3 | ooh nice long list of pretty backgrounds ^.^ |
| 20:52.36 | jasta | romainguy__: that never occurred to me for some reason. i always associated the life of the activity with the life of the app |
| 20:52.46 | romainguy__ | jasta: several of our apps use the same technique |
| 20:52.48 | jasta | obviously that's not right though |
| 20:52.50 | romainguy__ | look at samples/Home |
| 20:52.56 | romainguy__ | it stores a bunch of things in static field |
| 20:52.58 | romainguy__ | fields |
| 20:53.03 | romainguy__ | for instance to make rotations faster |
| 20:53.09 | jasta | this is the type of stuff that is really helpful to know about |
| 20:53.14 | jasta | what google apps commonly do to solve these problems |
| 20:53.18 | jasta | that are not otehrwise too obvious |
| 20:53.38 | romainguy__ | also we have a new API on Activity that lets you send an Object to your future self |
| 20:53.54 | romainguy__ | it's pretty cool to keep data around easily when the activity is restarted |
| 20:54.15 | jasta | romainguy__: so why would there be a map of context to service? is that in case multiple instances of the same activity come up? |
| 20:54.16 | umdk1d3 | sends chocolate m+ms to myself next week |
| 20:54.30 | romainguy__ | jasta: I have no idea, that's just the way it's implemented |
| 20:54.35 | romainguy__ | there's surely a good rason :) |
| 20:54.39 | umdk1d3 | Exception: Can't serialize com.hersheys.chocolate |
| 20:54.48 | jasta | hmm. |
| 20:54.56 | jasta | romainguy__: anyone you could ask? i'm curious... |
| 20:55.51 | umdk1d3 | ooh romainguy__ was that list-separator-background exposed in android.R? /me goes to peek through for use with listSeparatorTextViewStyle |
| 20:56.11 | ttuttle | romainguy__: If I hold down send, it redials. |
| 20:56.19 | ttuttle | romainguy__: Is that the intended behavior? |
| 20:56.35 | romainguy__ | ttuttle: send? where? |
| 20:56.40 | ttuttle | romainguy__: The green key. |
| 20:56.45 | ttuttle | romainguy__: With the phone on it. |
| 20:56.54 | romainguy__ | in the SDK yes |
| 20:57.05 | romainguy__ | umdk1d3: hmm it should be |
| 20:57.07 | romainguy__ | let me check |
| 20:57.07 | jasta | this is an interesting approach in general to use static fields for this stuff. |
| 20:57.10 | ttuttle | romainguy__: Okay. |
| 20:57.17 | romainguy__ | jasta: you have to be careful though |
| 20:57.18 | jasta | i hadn't though tof this really |
| 20:57.23 | jasta | romainguy__: of course |
| 20:57.28 | ttuttle | jasta: Are you having fun yet? |
| 20:57.31 | jasta | you don't want context-specific stuff lingering. |
| 20:57.33 | romainguy__ | if your static fields keep a reference to the Context, you will leak the entire activity and all its Views |
| 20:57.39 | romainguy__ | again, look in samples/Home |
| 20:57.43 | jasta | i am right now |
| 20:57.45 | romainguy__ | were it keeps Drawables in a static |
| 20:57.52 | romainguy__ | it looks innocent but that can leak everything |
| 20:58.22 | ttuttle | romainguy__: Also, will the beta SDK be posted on http://code.google.com/p/android/downloads/list ? |
| 20:58.30 | romainguy__ | ask morrildl |
| 20:58.35 | ttuttle | morrildl: ^^ |
| 20:58.55 | romainguy__ | umdk1d3: try style="?android:attr/listSeparatorTextViewStyle" |
| 20:59.02 | romainguy__ | might have made it in a later build though |
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| 20:59.08 | umdk1d3 | awesome ^.^ /me tries |
| 20:59.51 | jasta | romainguy__: i'm glad you guys decided to open source the home app. that was a good move. |
| 21:00.01 | jasta | even if it is the olld one |
| 21:00.04 | jasta | old* |
| 21:00.10 | romainguy__ | the new one will be open sourced with the rest |
| 21:00.18 | umdk1d3 | romainguy__: that style works perfectly ^.^ |
| 21:00.20 | romainguy__ | even though the code is much much much more complicated |
| 21:00.33 | romainguy__ | it's easy to grasp the old Home quickly |
| 21:00.34 | ttuttle | romainguy__: /me is so happy. |
| 21:00.45 | jasta | hmm, apps must be signed...... |
| 21:00.51 | ttuttle | jasta: Really? |
| 21:01.06 | jasta | yes. look up the upgrading section |
| 21:01.09 | jasta | in the new docs |
| 21:01.16 | romainguy__ | yes but they are signed by the developers |
| 21:01.19 | dsmcl | yes, but they can be self-signed |
| 21:01.32 | ttuttle | jasta: == dsmcl. Just to make sure it's the same app. |
| 21:02.02 | tomgibara | romainguy__: When the media player is active, it appears in the notifications list under "Ongoing", is that label supplied by the system or is it just applied by the app? |
| 21:02.13 | ttuttle | tomgibara: system |
| 21:02.15 | romainguy__ | it's a system category I believe |
| 21:03.02 | jasta | tomgibara: look at the new notification docs |
| 21:03.04 | jasta | the app can specify it there |
| 21:03.20 | ttuttle | http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/app/Notification.html#FLAG_ONGOING_EVENT |
| 21:03.29 | tomgibara | thx |
| 21:03.47 | chomchom | I like how on the home screen, the little handle turns into a trash can when you hold down on a widget |
| 21:03.58 | SanMehat | chomchom: romainguy++ |
| 21:04.02 | ttuttle | == SanMehat |
| 21:04.11 | ttuttle | SanMehat++ romainguy__++ etc... |
| 21:04.15 | SanMehat | awwwww |
| 21:04.15 | tomgibara | The home screen is terrific - You can really see the software abstractions coming together to make a UI that allows customization but remains simple |
| 21:04.16 | ttuttle | Also interns++ ;-) |
| 21:04.21 | SanMehat | yes interns++ |
| 21:04.24 | ttuttle | =D |
| 21:04.35 | romainguy | tomgibara: I can't wait to see what kind of shortcuts you guys will come up with :)) |
| 21:04.49 | romainguy | the new Home screen was a breeze to write thanks to the intents |
| 21:04.52 | romainguy | these things are awesome |
| 21:05.13 | ttuttle | Also, try "adb -e shell top". |
| 21:05.52 | chomchom | I don't like how the android manifest editor seems to be broken on adt |
| 21:06.08 | ttuttle | chomchom: Real programmers edit their manifests by hand. (All of mine were edited using vim1) |
| 21:06.11 | ttuttle | *vim!) |
| 21:06.16 | ttuttle | ;-) |
| 21:06.30 | tomgibara | romainguy: That's the power of Naming |
| 21:06.49 | romainguy | tomgibara: it's a bit more than that but yes :) |
| 21:06.57 | ttuttle | Anyone try top? |
| 21:08.15 | jasta | romainguy__: when would we want to (or not want to) use FEATURE_OPENGL? |
| 21:08.24 | tomgibara | Not really, all the power of abstraction is achieved by naming and then referencing the name - in one form or another |
| 21:08.36 | romainguy | jasta: never, it unfortunately got removed afterwards |
| 21:08.39 | tomgibara | variables, URLs, files etc. |
| 21:08.52 | jasta | uhh ok |
| 21:08.56 | ttuttle | romainguy: Perhaps there should be a post-beta-SDK changelist for important bits like that ;-) |
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| 21:09.02 | anno^da_ | morrildl: I'm getting the multipart things now to work. :-) |
| 21:09.02 | chomchom | yeah its handy to see all the processes via top |
| 21:09.03 | romainguy | tomgibara: in this case Home also relies on the ability to put icons etc. in intents |
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| 21:09.11 | ttuttle | chomchom: I wrote top ;-) |
| 21:09.55 | tomgibara | romainguy: yes, as properties under specific names by any chance? |
| 21:10.01 | romainguy | yes |
| 21:10.04 | romainguy | look in the Intent class |
| 21:10.05 | tomgibara | :) |
| 21:10.16 | chomchom | kudos to you then ttuttle |
| 21:10.19 | ttuttle | chomchom: thanks ;-) |
| 21:10.51 | ttuttle | chomchom: I also wrote vmstat. |
| 21:11.10 | ttuttle | chomchom: And some other cool utilities that aren't in the SDK yet. |
| 21:12.02 | chomchom | ;) I'm sure they are awesome |
| 21:12.09 | SanMehat | they are except for the bugs |
| 21:12.11 | SanMehat | j/k |
| 21:12.12 | SanMehat | :) |
| 21:13.03 | tomgibara | Customizing the home app is so much more usable and useful than the iPhone equivalent |
| 21:13.50 | herriojr | hey, has anyone installed on the verizon vogue? |
| 21:15.02 | tomgibara | Usability suggestion: When dragging an app icon out of the application list (which is fairly easy to do by accident), it would be useful if the trashcan popped up, otherwise there's no simple way of cancelling the action |
| 21:17.16 | jasta | herriojr: no, but i suspect this will not work right. |
| 21:17.19 | herriojr | or rather, has anyone had luck with a cdma vogue? |
| 21:17.20 | jasta | the latest SDK, that is. |
| 21:17.27 | jasta | lots of the apps depend on rotating the screen to reveal a keyboard |
| 21:17.53 | herriojr | so, would it be better if I purchased a sprint one? |
| 21:17.59 | romainguy | tomgibara: yeah but you might think that this would uninstall/remove the app forever |
| 21:18.04 | romainguy | so we decided against it |
| 21:18.07 | herriojr | or AT&T if they carried it |
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| 21:18.54 | herriojr | you said the vogue has no issues other than the keyboard, right? |
| 21:19.16 | chomchom | When I start up the adb with my app I am getting this error: "Installation error: INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_MANIFEST_MALFORMED" Shouldn't it be flagged in the manifest editor then? There are no errors that I can see, I'm error free in my compilations otherwise. |
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| 21:19.33 | herriojr | when I try and start android, it just goes to the command prompt due to failure |
| 21:19.37 | jasta | herriojr: no, but as i said this new SD Kcreates lots of problems for the vogue running android :) |
| 21:19.48 | herriojr | hmm, ok |
| 21:20.02 | herriojr | which phone works best with it? |
| 21:20.13 | herriojr | and which SDK are you citing? |
| 21:20.22 | jasonchen | herriojr: whatever phones come new to market later this year :-) |
| 21:20.48 | herriojr | ok, which sdk version was working fine with the vogue? |
| 21:20.59 | tomgibara | romainguy: What about popping up a "cancel" symbol (say a circle with a line through it)? |
| 21:21.27 | romainguy | no |
| 21:21.40 | romainguy | we tried many things :) |
| 21:21.45 | herriojr | does anyone still have an m5 build lying around? |
| 21:22.13 | herriojr | I downloaded the build off of http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/, but it wouldn't boot |
| 21:22.54 | AttractiveApe | herriojr: what error did you get? |
| 21:23.43 | herriojr | let me look again |
| 21:24.22 | herriojr | first, I don't know what the ppp username/password need to be for verizon, I can't find it |
| 21:24.23 | tomgibara | romainguy: When the development is open-source, I look forward to being able to read the changelogs and internal lists, and stop pestering you with things you've already tried or fixed :) |
| 21:24.30 | romainguy | :)) |
| 21:25.01 | herriojr | can I just place all the files on the sd card, or do I need to place them on the phone? |
| 21:25.46 | herriojr | maybe I can't, I'll try and transfer it |
| 21:28.45 | herriojr | also, do I need to place the system and data file in the root of the sdcard, or can I have them in a folder on the sdcard? |
| 21:31.46 | chomchom | herriojr: http://code.google.com/android/download_previous.html |
| 21:31.53 | chomchom | You can still get the other builds |
| 21:32.14 | chomchom | But I would try and take the hit now |
| 21:33.00 | chomchom | Is no one else seeing a: Installation error: INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_MANIFEST_MALFORMED upon trying to push the app onto android? |
| 21:33.30 | herriojr | does anyone know what the ppp username and password are for verizon, I can't find them? |
| 21:33.46 | herriojr | all I see is to leave them blank, but will haret accept that? |
| 21:33.52 | herriojr | or zImage rather? |
| 21:34.50 | herriojr | it doesn't seem to want to mount the sd card |
| 21:35.14 | chomchom | Ah, it seems that the manifest editor in adt does not work until you enter a 'shared user id' |
| 21:37.18 | tomgibara | It's a pity that when a homescreen is full, you don't get to choose another one - too complex I guess |
| 21:38.40 | herriojr | [ 0.000000] Unknown boot option 'ppp.username=mobile@...` |
| 21:38.46 | romainguy__ | tomgibara: yes |
| 21:38.52 | romainguy__ | you can also simply long press an empty space to add something |
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| 21:38.59 | herriojr | Welcome to Vogue Linux |
| 21:39.01 | romainguy__ | that's the preferred way of adding something |
| 21:39.04 | Dougie187 | Good Afternoon |
| 21:39.19 | tomgibara | I discovered that long press - it seemed the obvious thing to try |
| 21:40.44 | herriojr | also, it says that /bin/sh can't find tty |
| 21:40.46 | xavd | chomchom: what does logcat says when you try to install? |
| 21:41.34 | tomgibara | The cropping controls are easy to use and make adding a wallpaper extremely easy, is the required wallpaper size exposed by the home application, for the picture app to know, or is that cropping being done by the home app itself? |
| 21:41.38 | chomchom | I can't run it now, as the aapt is stopping me now that the manifest editor has kicked in |
| 21:41.42 | chomchom | Anyone have a quick fix for replacing textAlign attributes in the styles? > "ERROR: No resource found that matches the given name attribute: 'android:textAlign' value: 'id'. <item name="android:textAlign">center</item>" |
| 21:41.55 | xavd | chomchom: there's a lot of things that the build system (and aapt in general) does not check. so you coud put values in some manifest attributes, that are compiled but generate an error on install/runtime |
| 21:42.07 | romainguy__ | chomchom: gravity |
| 21:42.30 | romainguy__ | tomgibara: there's a wallpaper service that's told by Home what size of wallpapers it wants |
| 21:42.41 | romainguy__ | then the cropping app queries the service to know what size the wallpaper should be |
| 21:42.45 | chomchom | ah gravity |
| 21:43.02 | tomgibara | romainguy__: Is this documented? |
| 21:43.15 | romainguy__ | not really, but it should be for 1.0 :) |
| 21:43.15 | herriojr | then I get a command promplt |
| 21:43.20 | chomchom | romainguy__:thx |
| 21:43.34 | cutmasta | bye all |
| 21:43.39 | cutmasta | have fun with new release |
| 21:43.42 | romainguy__ | tomgibara: fwiw, cropping is done by the Pictures app |
| 21:43.45 | chomchom | nighty |
| 21:43.53 | romainguy__ | note that Home is perfectly capable of handling pretty much any wallpaper size |
| 21:43.55 | herriojr | I get /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 21:43.57 | romainguy__ | it will try to do what's right |
| 21:44.12 | tomgibara | romainguy__: I wouldn't expect anything less ;) |
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| 21:45.13 | romainguy__ | anyway, the current recommended wallpaper size is 640x480 in HVGA |
| 21:47.08 | tomgibara | I apologies to anyone on this channel who had a hand in it, but I have to say that I loathe the contacts app, specifically the new/edit contact activity |
| 21:48.06 | Dougie187 | hey romainguy__ you guys should make a vim plugin. |
| 21:48.20 | romainguy__ | Dougie187: I don't think so :) |
| 21:48.25 | Dougie187 | :( |
| 21:48.36 | romainguy__ | we have to leave things to do to the community :p |
| 21:48.47 | tomgibara | :) |
| 21:49.05 | romainguy__ | tomgibara: what's wrong with the contacts app? (I'm not talking about new/edit) |
| 21:50.03 | tomgibara | romainguy__: we have to leave things to do to the community :p << Like producing some decent ringtones? |
| 21:50.14 | chomchom | I quite like th ebig blockiness of it |
| 21:50.21 | romainguy__ | tomgibara: this is just the SDK |
| 21:50.24 | chomchom | of the contacts app |
| 21:50.27 | romainguy__ | it's not a phone |
| 21:50.37 | chomchom | Looking forward to running this on a real phone |
| 21:51.24 | Dougie187 | has jasta been in since the beta has been released? |
| 21:51.45 | tomgibara | romainguy: Well, perhaps my understanding of the boundaries is wrong, but I just mean specifically the add/edit contact which seems to comprise the bulk of its functionality |
| 21:52.13 | romainguy__ | what don't you like about it? |
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| 21:52.35 | tomgibara | Also, I'm really not convinced by the necessity of going to the menu to add a new contact, that's one of the tasks I always want to do in a hurry |
| 21:52.53 | chomchom | Dougie187: yes |
| 21:53.02 | chomchom | believe it or not he was quite happy |
| 21:53.03 | Dougie187 | Whatd he say? |
| 21:53.05 | Dougie187 | thats good. |
| 21:53.26 | Dougie187 | im downloading it now. |
| 21:53.29 | Dougie187 | gotta check this out. |
| 21:54.30 | tomgibara | in the contacts activity I don't like the way that the save button scrolls off screen, I don't like the way that the ringtone comes between the fields and "More Info", I don't think there's enough space given to the contents of the fields |
| 21:54.41 | romainguy__ | ok |
| 21:54.48 | romainguy__ | sending that feedback to the Contacts guy :) |
| 21:55.40 | chomchom | Dougie187: > |
| 21:55.42 | chomchom | 08:54 jasta yes, i will lift a lot from this, actually |
| 21:55.42 | chomchom | 08:54 jasta it is all the best practice stuff that i was begging for :) |
| 21:55.42 | chomchom | 08:54 jasta i can't design UIs well hehe |
| 21:56.04 | Dougie187 | nice. |
| 21:56.39 | romainguy__ | tomgibara: try in landscape mode to see if it works better |
| 21:56.58 | tomgibara | romainguy__: I appreciate that a lot of thought will have gone into the contacts, but I can honestly say that I find pretty much everything in the interfaces easily intelligible except for that app. |
| 21:57.28 | Dougie187 | romainguy__: you should send a slap across the face along with the feedback. |
| 21:57.37 | romainguy__ | tomgibara: I understand |
| 21:57.40 | romainguy__ | Dougie187: ?? |
| 21:57.48 | Dougie187 | its a joke. |
| 21:57.55 | chomchom | I think a lot of his UI 'nice to haves' are included |
| 21:57.55 | romainguy__ | slaps Dougie187 |
| 21:58.02 | Dougie187 | i guess the french people dont get jokes? |
| 21:58.03 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 21:58.11 | romainguy__ | Dougie187: just the funny ones |
| 21:58.18 | Dougie187 | thanks. |
| 21:58.32 | chomchom | throws large trout into the crowd <FISH FIGHT!> |
| 21:59.48 | tomgibara | romainguy__: The space for the fields is better, but the other comments stand (personal preferences though they are) |
| 21:59.58 | chomchom | slaps Dougie187 with a huge really wet, smelly trout |
| 21:59.58 | romainguy__ | ok |
| 22:00.39 | Dougie187 | i appreciate it. |
| 22:03.20 | jham | tomgibara: Did you like the M5 contacts better? |
| 22:04.02 | tomgibara | I honestly can't recall |
| 22:04.11 | tomgibara | I'll fire up the emulator and see |
| 22:08.53 | chomchom | Is the guy that wrote the "busy coders" android book in here?: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Busy-Coders-Guide-Android-Development/dp/0981678009/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219097259&sr=1-10 |
| 22:12.19 | tomgibara | jham: I certainly find it clearer, but then again it doesn't expose all of the functionality of 0.9. Fewer visible options just mean that I 'feel' more comfortable using it. |
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| 22:15.27 | steventroughtons | Any generous Android developer fancy tutoring an iPhone dev in the ways of android sdk 0.9? |
| 22:17.06 | steventroughtons | I offer karma++ ? =) |
| 22:20.32 | f00f- | oh my 194 errors.... worse than last time :P |
| 22:22.17 | chomchom | steventroughtons: Well we are all here to answer your questions! So we'll all help you |
| 22:23.54 | steventroughtons | That's nice of you ;) How would I put an image as a background and then draw the rest of the UI from the xml file on top of that? |
| 22:25.49 | chomchom | You can set a background image to fill the background of the LinearLayout with setBackground() |
| 22:25.59 | chomchom | programatically |
| 22:26.11 | steventroughtons | right sounds simple enough |
| 22:26.22 | chomchom | put the image in your res/drawable/ folder |
| 22:26.28 | steventroughtons | programatically ? how would I access the LinearLayout from my code? |
| 22:27.19 | steventroughtons | and can I use PNGs? or are there strict image requirements |
| 22:27.24 | chomchom | In fact you can do it in the xml I think something like android:background=â@android:drawable/emptyâ |
| 22:27.28 | jasta | steventroughtons: you can use findViewById to locate it, assuming that you gave it a name. |
| 22:27.41 | steventroughtons | lets give this a go, 1 sec |
| 22:27.45 | jasta | or rather, gave it an android:id |
| 22:29.10 | SanMehat | back |
| 22:29.39 | steventroughtons | No resource found that matches the given name (at 'background' with value '@android:drawable/s-bg-leather.png') |
| 22:29.41 | steventroughtons | ouch |
| 22:29.51 | steventroughtons | did I miss some key step? |
| 22:29.53 | f00f- | drop the .png |
| 22:29.56 | steventroughtons | ok |
| 22:29.59 | romainguy__ | the android: prefix is for system resources |
| 22:30.08 | romainguy__ | in your app sue @drawable/thefilenamenoextension |
| 22:30.09 | xavd | - isn't allowed |
| 22:30.29 | xavd | since the name of your png will become a java variable you can't use characters that aren't allowed in java |
| 22:30.39 | steventroughtons | res/drawable/s-bg-leather.png: Invalid file name: must contain only [a-z0-9_.] |
| 22:30.42 | steventroughtons | ha, how silly =P |
| 22:30.45 | steventroughtons | renames image |
| 22:32.04 | f00f- | oh so . would work, interesting |
| 22:33.10 | steventroughtons | Oh aye, now it looks pretty |
| 22:33.16 | steventroughtons | It worked, thanks guys =) |
| 22:33.36 | chomchom | tell me your scottish steventroughtons |
| 22:33.36 | steventroughtons | How would I set an inset left/right on my text box? |
| 22:33.41 | steventroughtons | Irish ;) |
| 22:33.43 | steventroughtons | close |
| 22:33.53 | chomchom | darn |
| 22:34.19 | chomchom | was on the verge of finding another local android dev |
| 22:34.38 | steventroughtons | http://www.imagebam.com/image/bd7a2111468211 |
| 22:34.49 | steventroughtons | Yes. WinNuke. Yes I suck =P |
| 22:35.12 | steventroughtons | And Ireland is local enough, eh? =) |
| 22:35.36 | chomchom | not local enough to Glasgow I'm afraid |
| 22:36.31 | chomchom | A lot of these guys are in America |
| 22:36.50 | steventroughtons | Ok this is gonna sound major stupid - but what IRC server are we on? I followed a Google link and it opened some java chat |
| 22:36.50 | chomchom | surprisingly few euro stars |
| 22:36.55 | steventroughtons | I want to load it up in Colloquy |
| 22:36.57 | chomchom | freenode |
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| 22:37.10 | chomchom | #android |
| 22:37.28 | steventroughtons | hold on, I'll switch |
| 22:38.21 | steventroughtons | port 6667? |
| 22:40.10 | chomchom | yes |
| 22:40.21 | chomchom | I'm on server 216.165.191.52:6667 |
| 22:40.24 | steventroughtons | that just makes me wonder why it wont connect |
| 22:41.44 | steventroughtons | ok wtf, Colloquy isn't being helpful |
| 22:41.54 | steventroughtons | sorry about the noobishness |
| 22:43.04 | chomchom | I use one called snak which is nice |
| 22:43.23 | steventroughtons | irc.freenode.net right? |
| 22:43.47 | dmoffett | that is what I use with Colloquy |
| 22:44.00 | steventroughtons | weird, it aint connecting here |
| 22:44.24 | duey | lol omg at topic |
| 22:44.34 | duey | jasta will be happy |
| 22:44.58 | jasta | i've already been tearing through it. |
| 22:45.05 | chomchom | Its funny how thats the first thing everyone thinks of! |
| 22:45.07 | jasta | i'm mostly ahppy, but there is a big thorn in my side... |
| 22:45.13 | chomchom | oop... |
| 22:45.18 | duey | jasta, they copied your idea? |
| 22:45.19 | jasta | if my app wasn't Five, i'd be ecstatic ;) |
| 22:45.40 | jasta | duey: no, i am the most pleased by their music app. this will help me basically just steal their whole UI :) |
| 22:45.45 | jasta | because i'm apparently very uncreative |
| 22:45.49 | duey | <3 |
| 22:46.03 | jasta | but the MediaPlayer hasn't been sufficiently extended to make Five possible efficiently |
| 22:46.04 | duey | decompile it rename it to five and rebuild |
| 22:47.03 | steventroughtons | here guys I'll be back as soon as I can. Wanna continue convo. thanks chomchom |
| 22:47.16 | jasta | duey: not sure how to proceed, really... |
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| 22:49.10 | gambler | whee new sdk |
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| 22:49.18 | steventroughtons | HURRAH |
| 22:49.19 | steventroughtons | I made it |
| 22:49.26 | steventroughtons | had to disconnect from the web irc client first |
| 22:49.30 | steventroughtons | what bollox |
| 22:50.24 | duey | has the round 2 compo winners been annouced? |
| 22:50.36 | jasta | they say they will announce Q4 |
| 22:50.37 | chomchom | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.51 | jasta | chomchom: well, they implemented a Music player |
| 22:51.01 | jasta | seems to work pretty nicely too. i plan to lift a lot of UI stuffs from it |
| 22:53.35 | steventroughtons | ok quick Q for those crazy enough to help me - how do i position my <EditText> ? I want it to be at the bottom of screen |
| 22:53.46 | romainguy__ | swetland: it depends :)) |
| 22:53.48 | jasta | but i just don't know if i have the energy to hack this MediaPlayer stuff one more time |
| 22:54.28 | romainguy__ | steventroughtons: what else will you put on the screen? |
| 22:55.01 | steventroughtons | @romainguy__ possibly nothing, I haven't thought about it yet. To match my iPhone app there will be nothing but the input field |
| 22:55.04 | steventroughtons | (and bg image) |
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| 22:55.34 | chomchom | steventroughtons: you might want something like <android:gravity>center |
| 22:56.14 | steventroughtons | center? |
| 22:57.12 | romainguy | steventroughtons: then you can simply do this: |
| 22:57.15 | romainguy | <FrameLayout> |
| 22:57.17 | romainguy | <EditText> |
| 22:57.21 | romainguy | </FrameLayout> |
| 22:57.29 | romainguy | and on your EditText, use android:gravity="bottom" |
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| 22:58.25 | chomchom | or you can do it in your activity via setGravity(int gravity) |
| 22:58.42 | steventroughtons | the framelayout key makes the app 'quit unexpectedly' |
| 22:58.42 | romainguy_ | although it's not how you should do it :) |
| 22:58.45 | steventroughtons | will try the gravity |
| 22:58.58 | romainguy_ | oops |
| 22:59.01 | romainguy_ | android:layout_gravity |
| 22:59.05 | romainguy_ | not android:gravity |
| 22:59.06 | romainguy_ | sorry |
| 23:00.11 | xavd | just use the layout editor to make sure you use the proper attribute/value ;) |
| 23:00.17 | romainguy_ | hehe |
| 23:00.20 | romainguy_ | xavd++ |
| 23:00.25 | chomchom | imy aidl files are still generating code that throws throws android.os.RemoteException and imports android.os.RemoteException |
| 23:00.25 | steventroughtons | layout editor? :P |
| 23:00.33 | xavd | steventroughtons: are you using eclipse? |
| 23:00.41 | steventroughtons | no, commandline, on OS X |
| 23:00.48 | chomchom | but its complaining they do not exist |
| 23:00.51 | xavd | well there's your problem ;) |
| 23:01.00 | steventroughtons | <FrameLayout> btw causes a crash |
| 23:01.20 | romainguy_ | that was a skeleton |
| 23:01.27 | romainguy_ | you need to specify the layout_width and layout_height |
| 23:01.30 | romainguy_ | on every widget |
| 23:01.36 | steventroughtons | oh do you? sucky |
| 23:01.49 | steventroughtons | last beta i used, i couldnt use integer values for the height/width |
| 23:01.52 | steventroughtons | is that still there? |
| 23:01.58 | romainguy_ | you can |
| 23:02.00 | jasta | you don't want to do that in the general case. |
| 23:02.02 | romainguy_ | but you need to specify the unit |
| 23:02.09 | romainguy_ | 230dip or 162px for instance |
| 23:02.09 | steventroughtons | oh, so px ? |
| 23:02.13 | steventroughtons | i get it |
| 23:02.16 | romainguy_ | but usually we use wrap_content and fill_parent |
| 23:02.28 | jham | fill_parent is your friend for that FrameLayout example |
| 23:02.29 | romainguy_ | note that dip is better (it stands for device independent pixels) |
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| 23:03.02 | steventroughtons | android:layout_gravity="bottom" isn't working |
| 23:03.10 | steventroughtons | the EditText still stays up top |
| 23:03.13 | romainguy_ | what's your XML? |
| 23:03.51 | steventroughtons | http://pastie.org/255332 |
| 23:04.09 | romainguy_ | ouch |
| 23:04.10 | romainguy_ | no no :)) |
| 23:04.16 | steventroughtons | :D |
| 23:04.21 | romainguy_ | the top level widget should be FrameLayout |
| 23:04.23 | romainguy_ | not LinearLayout |
| 23:04.24 | steventroughtons | it's nice being a Noob again ;-) |
| 23:04.29 | romainguy_ | and android:layout_gravity should be on EditText |
| 23:04.54 | steventroughtons | ahso, lets try this |
| 23:05.28 | steventroughtons | oic, that works :D |
| 23:05.50 | steventroughtons | OK ! now, how would i make the edittext's width the parent width - 10 ? |
| 23:06.32 | romainguy_ | just give the parent a paddingLeft and a paddingRight of 5dip |
| 23:06.57 | steventroughtons | why the parent? what if i only want the edittext to have padding |
| 23:07.20 | romainguy_ | because padding is an inside inset |
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| 23:08.45 | steventroughtons | http://www.imagebam.com/image/04f16511469442 |
| 23:08.47 | steventroughtons | i'm getting there ;) |
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| 23:08.53 | steventroughtons | thanks a lot guys for putting up with me |
| 23:08.56 | romainguy_ | np |
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| 23:09.48 | steventroughtons | so this ui xml stuff is quite interesting |
| 23:10.04 | dmoffett | As opposed to IB I guess. :-) |
| 23:10.05 | steventroughtons | it's like avalon (dare I say it) |
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| 23:10.13 | romainguy_ | yes kinda |
| 23:10.15 | steventroughtons | yeah IB is a whole different thing |
| 23:10.29 | romainguy_ | except we don't support canvas drawing in the XML, unlike WPF |
| 23:10.38 | romainguy_ | you can however create pretty complex drawables in XML |
| 23:10.46 | chomchom | Is anyone else having problems with their aidl files generating incorrectly? Or at least generating with exceptions? |
| 23:11.11 | chomchom | All mine are generating with "throws android.os.RemoteException" |
| 23:11.20 | chomchom | and then complaining it doesn;t exist |
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| 23:12.26 | steventroughtons | just before I go and try to code it, can I override the android:background on an EditText the same way? |
| 23:12.34 | romainguy_ | steventroughtons: yes |
| 23:12.43 | steventroughtons | that's cool enough |
| 23:12.48 | romainguy_ | note that background drawwables are state based |
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| 23:13.03 | steventroughtons | so you set for mousedown, mouseup, etc? |
| 23:13.04 | romainguy_ | the default background uses different images based on the state: focused, window_focused, enabled, etc. |
| 23:13.20 | romainguy_ | mousedown is called pressed |
| 23:13.30 | steventroughtons | ok I understand |
| 23:13.30 | romainguy_ | you can look in View for a list of states |
| 23:13.38 | steventroughtons | 'look in View'? :P |
| 23:13.49 | romainguy_ | the documentation of the class called View |
| 23:13.52 | steventroughtons | i'm sticking to commandline + ant here :P |
| 23:13.59 | steventroughtons | docs are on the android site yeah? |
| 23:14.02 | romainguy_ | yes |
| 23:14.10 | romainguy_ | you should really use the Eclipse plugin :) |
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| 23:14.21 | steventroughtons | I can't stand IDEs in general :) |
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| 23:14.32 | romainguy_ | your loss ;) |
| 23:14.37 | chomchom | Its not a competition for who is hardest up steve |
| 23:14.45 | chomchom | These tools help! |
| 23:15.04 | steventroughtons | Means I have to install nasty java shit on top of my OS :D |
| 23:15.14 | steventroughtons | sure it helps |
| 23:15.24 | romainguy_ | well you have ant installed already |
| 23:15.30 | steventroughtons | but I dont fancy using Eclipse as opposed to a mac native ide |
| 23:15.44 | steventroughtons | it's like offering me to run something through X11 :P |
| 23:15.47 | romainguy_ | you should give it a try |
| 23:15.54 | romainguy_ | no, Eclipse doesn't need X11 |
| 23:16.10 | steventroughtons | yes but it's the same 'concept' :P running something abhorrent to the native OS :P |
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| 23:16.23 | chomchom | I'm using eclipse but you've also got the option of intelliJ or netbeans |
| 23:16.27 | romainguy_ | steventroughtons: sure, but it helps get the job done a lot more easily |
| 23:16.35 | romainguy_ | anyway, that's your call |
| 23:16.38 | steventroughtons | I'm kinda guessing as a beginner I should learn what's actually happening before I go to an IDE |
| 23:16.46 | morrildl | hey SanMehat |
| 23:17.25 | xavd | steventroughtons: that's the opposite I think. Some of the custom editors help you not have to figure out what to put in the XMLs. As you get better you can use the XML view and hand code them if you prefer. |
| 23:17.31 | chomchom | I'd say you'll learn faster by working top down at your own pase |
| 23:17.48 | chomchom | pace even, funny I was having this discussion the other day with a new guy |
| 23:17.49 | dmoffett | I really dislike IDEs but Eclipse is the first one that I have learned to like. I understand if you have been using xcode which is really bad. |
| 23:17.59 | chomchom | really really bad |
| 23:18.08 | steventroughtons | Xcode I love, it works the way I want it |
| 23:18.16 | dmoffett | Ouch |
| 23:18.20 | steventroughtons | ;) |
| 23:18.27 | steventroughtons | I'm an obtuse sort of guy |
| 23:18.33 | dmoffett | I must be doing something wrong then. |
| 23:18.55 | romainguy_ | I don't like Xcode either ^^ |
| 23:19.05 | romainguy_ | it's more like a basic text editor than an IDE to me :) |
| 23:19.19 | steventroughtons | has google mentioned anything about using C/C++ code in Android except 'you can't' btw? :) |
| 23:19.38 | dmoffett | emacs rules but Eclipse has enough to get me by. |
| 23:19.49 | romainguy_ | steventroughtons: not for version 1.0 |
| 23:19.49 | steventroughtons | @romainguy_ not true, Xcode + IB are apple's secret weapons :) how there's so many quite cool mac apps |
| 23:19.49 | gambler | morrildl, (reading changelog) if no no bluetooth in android 1.0...when? |
| 23:20.14 | romainguy_ | steventroughtons: IB is great, but Xcode is really lacking for an IDE, especially compared to Eclipse/NetBeans/IntelliJ |
| 23:20.15 | dmoffett | Like Numbers? ;-) |
| 23:20.25 | romainguy_ | but you don't really have a choice when it comes to Objective-C anyway ;-) |
| 23:20.35 | dmoffett | IB rocks but xcode is very weak. |
| 23:20.41 | morrildl | gambler: probably 1.1 |
| 23:20.58 | steventroughtons | :D |
| 23:21.04 | gambler | :S |
| 23:21.09 | dmoffett | emacs, gdb work find on OSX. |
| 23:22.12 | steventroughtons | before this gets too OT, is there any way to have 'placeholder' text in an EditText ? |
| 23:22.25 | romainguy_ | yes |
| 23:22.28 | romainguy_ | it's called the hint |
| 23:22.33 | romainguy_ | android:hint="blah blah" |
| 23:22.38 | ttuttle | is soooooooo happy! |
| 23:22.40 | steventroughtons | android:hint="Enter IP Address" |
| 23:22.42 | steventroughtons | I see |
| 23:22.43 | steventroughtons | nice :D |
| 23:22.49 | romainguy_ | (it's in the docs and in the Eclipse plugin as well :p) |
| 23:23.00 | steventroughtons | Pff, I can't read :P |
| 23:23.28 | steventroughtons | can i set a matte colour instead of a :background? |
| 23:24.02 | xavd | the eclipse tooltip for this field says "reference or color" ;) |
| 23:24.09 | romainguy_ | steventroughtons: yes |
| 23:24.18 | romainguy_ | android:background="#ffff0000" for red for instance |
| 23:24.25 | romainguy_ | you can also reference named colors |
| 23:24.28 | steventroughtons | very html |
| 23:24.32 | romainguy_ | like @android:drawable/white |
| 23:24.36 | steventroughtons | wait, does that mean I can only use 216 colours? :P |
| 23:24.46 | romainguy_ | :p |
| 23:25.00 | romainguy_ | background can also refer to images or XML that describe drawables |
| 23:25.39 | steventroughtons | oh but that overrides the view's default drawing |
| 23:25.42 | steventroughtons | oh dont like that |
| 23:25.58 | steventroughtons | how would I draw the colour *underneath* the default style? |
| 23:26.08 | steventroughtons | ie. a [super drawRect:] in cocoa |
| 23:26.16 | romainguy_ | you'll have to write code |
| 23:26.21 | romainguy_ | or create an XML drawable with layers |
| 23:26.28 | trigatch4 | romainguy_ no bluetooth 2.0 until v1.1.... does that mean the first Android Devices will launch without BlueTooth support? |
| 23:26.30 | steventroughtons | alright, no biggie, haven't yet got to the coding stage :D |
| 23:26.44 | romainguy_ | trigatch4: no that means, there's no public API to access bluetooth from apps, that's all |
| 23:26.51 | trigatch4 | gotchya |
| 23:26.53 | romainguy_ | steventroughtons: you can use XML to create layered backgrounds |
| 23:31.05 | steventroughtons | there's some nasty banding in the emulator - is that just an emulator issue? |
| 23:31.09 | steventroughtons | crud, noone would know i guess |
| 23:31.28 | romainguy | cell phones use screens that render colors in 565 format again |
| 23:31.40 | romainguy | so if you use subtle gradients without dithering, you will get banding |
| 23:31.48 | steventroughtons | I was using a matte grey :) |
| 23:32.25 | steventroughtons | 565 is the bane of my life, I spent a long time getting the iPhone doom port rendering at rgb888 |
| 23:32.29 | steventroughtons | ha |
| 23:33.32 | steventroughtons | is there an on-screen KB btw? or are all android devices supposed to have a hardware keyboard |
| 23:35.28 | jasta | steventroughtons: there wasn't with any previous releases, probably not this one either. |
| 23:35.39 | jasta | android is clearly building incrementally. to focus on one device in particular at a time |
| 23:35.58 | steventroughtons | sure, i understand |
| 23:36.13 | jasta | puts on Dropkick Murphys - I'm Shipping Up To Boston and starts coding |
| 23:36.26 | steventroughtons | Ok, probably my last Q for this eve :) how do I get an EditText to perform code after i hit return? |
| 23:36.27 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 23:36.44 | jasta | steventroughtons: set a key listener |
| 23:37.00 | jasta | there may even be an activate event that gets registered, not sure. |
| 23:37.13 | jasta | but remember, this isn't a computer. users aren't very likely to push enter keys ;) |
| 23:37.29 | steventroughtons | oh so i should start writing code now? :P i was getting happy with xml :P |
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| 23:45.29 | steventroughtons | wow the android api guide is hurting my eyes |
| 23:45.37 | steventroughtons | a splurge of html links :P |
| 23:46.30 | steventroughtons | so, since i'm new to this - do i need to subclass an EditText to use onKeyDown, or what? |
| 23:46.40 | romainguy_ | you can |
| 23:46.44 | romainguy_ | or you can put a key listener |
| 23:46.51 | steventroughtons | how does that go/ |
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| 23:47.31 | steventroughtons | setKeyListener () |
| 23:47.46 | romainguy_ | no |
| 23:47.49 | romainguy_ | setOnKeyListener() |
| 23:48.35 | steventroughtons | so myEditText.setOnKeyListener(myListener) ? |
| 23:48.52 | romainguy_ | yes |
| 23:49.08 | steventroughtons | so, for |
| 23:49.09 | steventroughtons | android:id="@+id/edit" |
| 23:49.12 | jasta | steventroughtons: very little of Android's design requires subclassing to work. |
| 23:49.13 | steventroughtons | what should i have inside the quotes |
| 23:49.19 | jasta | just as a tip |
| 23:49.28 | steventroughtons | to name my edittext appropriately |
| 23:50.10 | steventroughtons | +id/edit doesnt sound like much of a name :P |
| 23:50.34 | jasta | steventroughtons: @+id/foo creates a new id named foo |
| 23:50.47 | steventroughtons | this is in my xml now |
| 23:50.48 | morrildl | should know better than to try and type faster than jasta |
| 23:50.48 | jasta | available as R.id.foo from R.java |
| 23:50.51 | steventroughtons | <EditText android:id="@+id/edit" |
| 23:50.57 | steventroughtons | ok i get it |
| 23:51.14 | steventroughtons | so, |
| 23:51.15 | steventroughtons | <EditText android:id="@+id/nukerfield" |
| 23:51.25 | steventroughtons | R.id.nukerfield.setOnKeyListener(); |
| 23:51.29 | steventroughtons | would be that |
| 23:51.35 | steventroughtons | how do I do a self? |
| 23:51.37 | morrildl | steventroughtons: @id/foo is a reference to an ID that must already exist, or it is an error. @+id/foo creates the ID for use by other things |
| 23:51.39 | steventroughtons | setOnKeyListener(self) |
| 23:52.00 | steventroughtons | ok i'm getting there :D |
| 23:52.06 | steventroughtons | is self a valid java term? |
| 23:52.14 | steventroughtons | </noob> |
| 23:52.16 | morrildl | steventroughtons: in JAva it is 'this' |
| 23:52.19 | xavd | no, findViewById(R.id.foo). then cast into proper class then setOnKeyListener() |
| 23:52.28 | morrildl | hi, xavd |
| 23:52.29 | yakischloba | steventroughtons: EditText myNukerField = (EditText) findViewById(R.id.nukerfield); myNukerField.onWhatever...; |
| 23:52.43 | jasta | steventroughtons: dude, look at the examples. this is ridiculous. |
| 23:52.44 | xavd | hey morrildl |
| 23:52.53 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 23:52.54 | steventroughtons | oi :P |
| 23:52.59 | yakischloba | yeah honestly why has there been a tutorial going on in here for 4 hours |
| 23:53.01 | Dougie187 | you have a short temper lately jasta. |
| 23:53.17 | jasta | steventroughtons: IRC is not an Android IDE. |
| 23:53.23 | yakischloba | i usually try to figure it out myself before asking questions |
| 23:53.24 | steventroughtons | you got anything better to talk about? :P |
| 23:53.40 | jasta | steventroughtons: yes, something much more exciting happened today than you choosing to learn Android. |
| 23:53.53 | steventroughtons | you have the stage, fire away :D |
| 23:54.14 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 23:54.31 | chomchom | Thats what this room is for after all, no one has to answer him :) |
| 23:54.35 | Dougie187 | whats new jasta? |
| 23:54.41 | romainguy_ | jasta: steventroughtons: IRC is not an Android IDE. << it's a place where we answer questions about Android |
| 23:54.42 | jasta | Dougie187: with the SDK or with me? |
| 23:54.54 | Dougie187 | with you. |
| 23:55.13 | Dougie187 | the SDK has been all around. |
| 23:55.17 | jasta | not much i suppose. i'm updating my solitaire game. we'll see how right i was that a solitaire game can't possibly be that affected by the new API :) |
| 23:55.18 | dmoffett | I was picking up some things as well. |
| 23:55.24 | morrildl | yeah as I recall I set this channel up, so I guess I get to say what it's for ;) |
| 23:55.41 | yakischloba | romainguy_: Is this really necessary though? All of this elementary stuff is covered. Conversation pollution O_O |
| 23:55.56 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 23:56.22 | romainguy_ | yakischloba: if somebody has questions, we try to answer them |
| 23:56.29 | f00f- | write a FAQ, put a link to it in the topic. |
| 23:56.40 | Dougie187 | true dat. |
| 23:56.53 | ttuttle | supports hand-holding, as long as it's not interrupting something. |
| 23:57.09 | yakischloba | I'd rather hear about the new SDK than watch the docs be re-written question by question. shrug. |
| 23:57.12 | Dougie187 | lol... ttuttle your opinion doesnt count. your an intern. |
| 23:57.22 | yakischloba | Dougie187: so mean ;) |
| 23:57.23 | romainguy_ | yakischloba: well, nobody else was asking questions |
| 23:57.26 | ttuttle | Dougie187: :( |
| 23:57.26 | Dougie187 | ;) |
| 23:57.31 | romainguy_ | Dougie187: he *was* an intern, even worse :p |
| 23:57.34 | ttuttle | Dougie187: /me had *so* much fun this summer. |
| 23:57.45 | yakischloba | just a has-been ;) |
| 23:57.47 | Dougie187 | I had a friend who was a google intern too. |
| 23:57.51 | romainguy_ | ttuttle: I recall you mostly talked a lot :p |
| 23:57.55 | ttuttle | romainguy_: Heh. |
| 23:57.56 | ttuttle | romainguy_: Yeah. |
| 23:57.56 | steventroughtons | seriously you can't expect someone to be interested in a new platform if asking for help in irc results in this :P |
| 23:57.56 | Dougie187 | haha. |
| 23:58.09 | romainguy_ | steventroughtons: don't listen to them :) |
| 23:58.11 | ttuttle | steventroughtons: Pay no attention to the complaints. |
| 23:58.16 | steventroughtons | I'm not ;) |
| 23:58.20 | yakischloba | steventroughtons: Google wants you to ;) |
| 23:58.21 | steventroughtons | I'm busy coding |
| 23:58.22 | steventroughtons | haha |
| 23:58.22 | ttuttle | steventroughtons: Good. Android is awesome. |
| 23:58.35 | chomchom | pins his friendly hand-holding button to his lapels |
| 23:58.37 | ttuttle | is, of course, biased on teh issue ;-) |
| 23:58.42 | morrildl | well, we trained the intern well. |
| 23:58.44 | morrildl | ;) |
| 23:58.49 | ttuttle | =D |
| 23:58.49 | romainguy_ | I don't know |
| 23:58.54 | romainguy_ | he's still very talkative :) |
| 23:58.59 | ttuttle | romainguy_: That never goes away. |
| 23:58.59 | yakischloba | honestly though, 95% of questions are answered here http://code.google.com/android/reference/ |
| 23:59.06 | ttuttle | romainguy_: My teachers have been trying since first grade. |
| 23:59.13 | ttuttle | romainguy_: What makes you think IRC can pull it off? |
| 23:59.15 | Dougie187 | its like you whipped him with an android whip. |
| 23:59.26 | jasta | does simply upgrading the ADT plugin not work? do i have to reinstall it? |
| 23:59.35 | chomchom | you can upgrade |
| 23:59.35 | xavd | upgrading should work |
| 23:59.39 | romainguy_ | jasta: ask xavd |
| 23:59.51 | jasta | it doesn't. when i go to window -> prefs and click android i get: |
| 23:59.59 | steventroughtons | @yakischloba the reference is detrimental to my eyesight :P a lot of blue text just thrown onto a web page |