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| 00:27.18 | Dougie187 | okokok.. so whats this about the "best buy" unlocked htc touch thing? |
| 00:34.49 | gdsx | Dougie187: we likely can't say anything. Do you have a reference, though? (I'm curious) |
| 00:35.06 | Dougie187 | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8986617&type=product&id=1218005636408 |
| 00:35.11 | Dougie187 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/07/best-buy-preps-unlocked-touch-diamond-for-retail/ |
| 00:37.31 | Dougie187 | freaking 700 bucks though, |
| 00:48.30 | squeakypants | dougie187: hahaha wow |
| 00:48.41 | Dougie187 | weird huh? |
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| 02:30.25 | plusminus_ | hey guys |
| 02:32.11 | plusminus_ | to me it seems like a bug, that on the HOME-Screen the labeltext below the icons is taken from the <activity> with MAIN/LAUNCHER-Action/Category instead of the android:label value of the <application>-tag |
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| 02:33.04 | plusminus_ | if I am wrong, what the is the android:label in the <application>-tag good for à |
| 02:33.41 | plusminus_ | ? |
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| 03:41.44 | squeakypants | how do you go to a new "window"? |
| 03:41.55 | squeakypants | like how can i open a new layout? |
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| 07:13.38 | zenob | hi, is it possible in android to turn on / off gps device from application level ? |
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| 08:23.52 | muthu | shit, didn't know you have to be a windows user to be enjoying all of the google services |
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| 09:18.33 | tric | muthu: what is missing for non windows users? |
| 09:19.06 | muthu | http://lively.com/ |
| 09:20.34 | anno^da_ | Oh guys Im starting to hate the MediaRecorder :D |
| 09:20.54 | muthu | is it working? |
| 09:21.16 | anno^da_ | Audio recording is working now but adding the files to the audio content provider isnt working properly |
| 09:21.31 | anno^da_ | Yeah I can record the audio even from the mic of my notebook |
| 09:21.36 | muthu | cool |
| 09:21.45 | anno^da_ | And I can play it with the music app. |
| 09:22.08 | anno^da_ | But after rebooting the emulator the meta information is gone. |
| 09:22.36 | muthu | is it stored in db? |
| 09:22.38 | anno^da_ | But I have added titel etc. I can see it when I play the file directly with the music app. |
| 09:22.42 | anno^da_ | Yeah it is. |
| 09:22.48 | anno^da_ | I'm playing it from the URI |
| 09:23.15 | muthu | the next time, does it disappear from db? |
| 09:23.45 | anno^da_ | Well one moment I take some screenshots. |
| 09:23.49 | anno^da_ | http://img.skitch.com/20080908-m5yaiyqh7jugcub5p5pmmna2ee.jpg <- playing |
| 09:24.31 | anno^da_ | playlist: http://img.skitch.com/20080908-rkd2s7jnc6dksftwa5xf5p9hir.jpg |
| 09:24.40 | anno^da_ | And now I'm restarting |
| 09:24.43 | anno^da_ | the emulator |
| 09:25.58 | anno^da_ | http://img.skitch.com/20080908-825exr6mcqt82dm2idkwpwa7xh.jpg |
| 09:27.20 | anno^da_ | http://img.skitch.com/20080908-jsgf8yghnkdg8241rsqyweje78.jpg |
| 09:27.30 | anno^da_ | So I dont really understand what happens :) |
| 09:27.51 | muthu | did you look in db? |
| 09:28.08 | anno^da_ | Hmm well no thats what I have to do now. |
| 09:28.14 | anno^da_ | But it is pretty wired |
| 09:28.21 | anno^da_ | With pictures everything is working well |
| 09:28.40 | muthu | might be a bug |
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| 09:44.30 | gambler | Does the mediarecorder not work? I wrote an (audio) mediarecorder app today but I havent tested it yet. |
| 09:46.37 | anno^da_ | gambler: Well it is recording fine. You can add it to the audio content provider. You can play the added file from the "recently added files" section |
| 09:46.44 | anno^da_ | in the music app |
| 09:47.06 | anno^da_ | But the file is not showing up in the Artist, Album, Title section |
| 09:47.22 | anno^da_ | even with provided meta data while adding it to the content provider |
| 09:47.42 | anno^da_ | And after restarting the emulator all of the added meta data is gone. :-) |
| 09:48.19 | anno^da_ | So well recording works. (it is bad sound quality but ok the encoder is AMR so I dont expect much from that at the moment) |
| 09:50.34 | gambler | Did you use a ContentResolver and all that? |
| 09:50.38 | anno^da_ | yeah |
| 09:50.45 | gambler | thats the limit of my knowledge |
| 09:51.23 | muthu | anno^da_: so its saved in db, then lost |
| 09:51.23 | anno^da_ | Yeah I've discussed that with Mega Joshi from the groups and the whole section "MediaRecorder" is kind of buggy. :-) |
| 09:51.35 | anno^da_ | muthu: seems so. |
| 09:51.51 | anno^da_ | Otherwise the meta data wouldnt show up when I'm playing the file directly |
| 09:51.56 | muthu | would be surprised if its in db, then lost |
| 09:52.19 | anno^da_ | I would be surprised as well. Do you know by heart where the db for the audio files is located ? |
| 09:52.47 | muthu | not by heart.. but can check with ddms |
| 09:52.57 | muthu | must be under /data/system |
| 09:54.53 | anno^da_ | hmm well it isnt there |
| 09:55.11 | anno^da_ | I'm going through all the dirs now |
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| 10:15.26 | anno^da_ | Does someone know a service that converts files from a variety of audio formats into mp3 ? |
| 10:15.41 | anno^da_ | and has something like an API |
| 10:15.46 | anno^da_ | for accessing this service |
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| 10:39.57 | zenob | hello, how can i manage curent network connection from my app ? For instance is it possible to turn of wifi and switch to gprs ? |
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| 12:03.38 | plusminus_ | wtf, is this the official android-market o_O http://androidcommunity.com/forums/androidmarket.php |
| 12:03.50 | plusminus_ | that cannot be true !! |
| 12:05.12 | plusminus_ | must be fake... |
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| 12:08.22 | plusminus_ | guess what, the author of that rumour is the author of androidcommunity itself... |
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| 13:41.56 | muthu | oy |
| 13:42.31 | muthu | is the protocol buffer used in android? |
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| 13:55.10 | gambler | no |
| 14:00.02 | muthu | gambler: what's aidl based on? |
| 14:01.44 | gambler | muthu, an independent code base. |
| 14:03.10 | gambler | I imagine its legacy before Google acquired "Android Inc." |
| 14:04.18 | muthu | oh ok |
| 14:05.51 | gambler | yep. I was really hoping at one stage it would get integrated. Very compact+efficient |
| 14:26.05 | muthu | yeah, that would be nice since they claim its super fast |
| 14:39.54 | tethridge | are you guys expecting an announcement from google today? |
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| 14:44.36 | zhobbs | tethridge: about what |
| 14:44.51 | tethridge | don't know |
| 14:45.02 | tethridge | I heard google was having an announcement today |
| 14:45.11 | tethridge | don't know what it's about |
| 14:45.17 | tethridge | nobody does, I guess |
| 14:45.39 | dims | publish your ad on the moon? :) |
| 14:45.49 | zhobbs | I have been hearing that rumor |
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| 14:46.08 | dims | just a matter of time... |
| 14:47.05 | morrildl | I don't think that would be particularly useful. The moon does't get a lot of foot traffic to see your ad ;) |
| 14:47.46 | zhobbs | Pepsi would pay |
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| 15:04.37 | muthu | what's the announcement about? |
| 15:04.55 | muthu | is it the market launch? |
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| 15:11.59 | Dougie187 | where do people hear that google is supposed to announce something today anyways? |
| 15:12.05 | muthu | then what's the announcement about? |
| 15:12.37 | muthu | is it Chrome for Linux? |
| 15:12.41 | Dougie187 | i wish. |
| 15:12.49 | muthu | Chrome on Android?? |
| 15:12.59 | Dougie187 | i thought that was already semi announced. |
| 15:13.03 | Dougie187 | not quite chrome. |
| 15:13.07 | Dougie187 | but parts of it |
| 15:13.08 | Dougie187 | or something |
| 15:13.38 | muthu | Android on PC??? |
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| 15:14.22 | mazzen | no, but the browser on android |
| 15:14.23 | mazzen | http://www.intomobile.com/2008/09/04/googles-chrome-browser-coming-to-google-android.html |
| 15:14.40 | Dougie187 | there ya go. |
| 15:15.01 | muthu | ha |
| 15:15.08 | muthu | that's old news! |
| 15:15.44 | Dougie187 | i think thats the point. |
| 15:18.38 | muthu | is gmail running on chrome? |
| 15:20.00 | cbeust | Should be pretty easy to find out... |
| 15:20.03 | zhobbs | I hope gmail works with chrome, I think that's the whole point |
| 15:20.50 | muthu | yeah, guess so |
| 15:20.57 | tethridge | announcement at 11:45 AM pacific time |
| 15:21.01 | muthu | what? |
| 15:21.07 | tethridge | only google knows |
| 15:21.09 | muthu | another one? |
| 15:21.14 | tethridge | they didn't say what it concerns |
| 15:21.57 | muthu | may be gphone |
| 15:21.58 | tethridge | obviously, I'm hoping for a, "Hey we have an android phone available for immediate purchase so our developers can be more productive!" |
| 15:22.04 | tethridge | but I'm not holding my breath. |
| 15:22.06 | tethridge | :-) |
| 15:22.13 | muthu | that's a possibility |
| 15:22.35 | muthu | developers need the devices now |
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| 15:23.39 | zhobbs | I think the moon ad is more likely though |
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| 15:23.56 | Dougie187 | me too |
| 15:23.59 | Dougie187 | im down with the moon ad idea |
| 15:24.10 | muthu | google ads for android |
| 15:24.46 | zhobbs | odds are that it's not related to android at all.... |
| 15:25.02 | muthu | zhobbs: is there an announcement? |
| 15:26.00 | muthu | may be gphone shipping worldwide? |
| 15:26.10 | Dougie187 | muthu... |
| 15:26.51 | Dougie187 | you should tape your hands to your face for 3 hours and 15 minutes. |
| 15:27.10 | Dougie187 | then come back and the "announcement" should be out. |
| 15:27.14 | muthu | haha |
| 15:27.21 | muthu | but is there an announcement? |
| 15:27.27 | Dougie187 | who knows? |
| 15:27.30 | Dougie187 | call google. |
| 15:27.34 | Dougie187 | maybe they will tell you |
| 15:27.35 | muthu | who knows is in android!! |
| 15:27.43 | Dougie187 | 1-800-GOOG-411 |
| 15:27.53 | Dougie187 | do you have that tape yet? |
| 15:27.55 | muthu | that pizza delivery was impressive :) |
| 15:28.08 | muthu | what a timing.. |
| 15:28.26 | Dougie187 | are you one of the people who falls for google's april fools jokes? |
| 15:28.50 | muthu | Dougie187: Android is close, so this is newtime |
| 15:28.56 | muthu | s/newtime/newstime |
| 15:29.04 | Dougie187 | i could just imagine you in here "OMG! They have this new super fast internet that goes through your toilet!" |
| 15:29.15 | muthu | hehe |
| 15:29.31 | Dougie187 | well you have at most 3 months to wait until android is out. |
| 15:29.34 | Dougie187 | i guess 4 actually though |
| 15:29.46 | muthu | there's only one thing i want to know |
| 15:29.54 | muthu | when does the market launch? |
| 15:30.01 | Dougie187 | does it matter? |
| 15:30.04 | muthu | yes |
| 15:30.06 | Dougie187 | is that really the biggest thing on your mind? |
| 15:30.09 | muthu | yes |
| 15:30.13 | Dougie187 | why? |
| 15:30.19 | muthu | need to plan |
| 15:30.19 | Dougie187 | wouldn't you want to know when phones were out first? |
| 15:30.24 | Dougie187 | so make one. |
| 15:30.30 | Dougie187 | and then when it comes out, you will be ready |
| 15:30.44 | muthu | as an android developer.. i'm more focused on the launch date |
| 15:30.51 | muthu | so we can polish our app and get it ready |
| 15:30.55 | Dougie187 | of the phone. or of the market? |
| 15:31.19 | Dougie187 | are you guys going to charge for your app? |
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| 15:32.13 | muthu | i'm working on a new one |
| 15:32.32 | muthu | will be free |
| 15:32.33 | Dougie187 | a new app? |
| 15:32.37 | muthu | yup |
| 15:32.40 | Dougie187 | what about cooking capsules? |
| 15:32.43 | Dougie187 | is that free? |
| 15:32.53 | muthu | donno |
| 15:33.18 | muthu | CC cannot be free |
| 15:33.30 | muthu | it takes a lot of money to produce those shows |
| 15:33.42 | Dougie187 | do you guys have an idea how much it will cost? |
| 15:33.49 | muthu | argghghghghg |
| 15:34.07 | Dougie187 | sounds expensive |
| 15:34.13 | muthu | haha |
| 15:34.54 | Dougie187 | i don't know how many people are going to be able to pay argghghghghg for it. |
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| 15:41.10 | romainguy | plusminus_: it's not a bug that Home takes the label of <activity/> since you can have several LAUNCHER activities in the same apk |
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| 15:44.39 | muthu | if you have multiple launcher activities within the same apk, do they all show up in home screen? |
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| 15:45.40 | muthu | nick muthu |
| 15:47.15 | morrildl | muthu: yes |
| 15:47.17 | anno^da_ | What is the easiest way to save an BufferedInputStream to a file ? |
| 15:47.31 | muthu | morrildl: thx |
| 15:49.02 | zhobbs | anno^da_: write bits to an OutputStream |
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| 16:07.56 | muthu | http://androidcommunity.com/forums/androidmarket.php |
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| 16:20.37 | km- | is there a download for the androidmarket yet? |
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| 16:21.59 | km- | ooh, weather channel mobile looks awesome |
| 16:23.17 | zhobbs | km-: no d/l for market yet |
| 16:23.40 | km- | drats. |
| 16:23.47 | km- | I wanna try that weather channel mobile on the emulator |
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| 17:15.03 | umdk1d4 | hmm i cant seem to use ' or " in strings.xml :/ |
| 17:15.09 | umdk1d4 | tries " |
| 17:15.58 | umdk1d4 | nope doesnt like that either |
| 17:17.32 | umdk1d4 | im trying to use them around '%s' maybe thats the issue |
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| 17:17.55 | umdk1d4 | nope it happens regardless of <string> location |
| 17:20.43 | plusminus_ | escape them |
| 17:20.52 | plusminus_ | or put " all aroudn the string |
| 17:20.55 | plusminus_ | that should work |
| 17:21.35 | plusminus_ | <string name="somestring">It |
| 17:21.47 | plusminus_ | \s a pity,/string> |
| 17:21.49 | plusminus_ | damnit |
| 17:21.52 | umdk1d4 | aha! |
| 17:22.01 | umdk1d4 | didnt think of that, and i was already escaping newlines |
| 17:22.02 | plusminus_ | <string name="somestring">It\'s a pity</string> |
| 17:22.06 | umdk1d4 | thanks :) |
| 17:22.25 | plusminus_ | i think it worked for me |
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| 17:34.07 | zhobbs | umdk1d4: saw you were quoted in that business week story |
| 17:34.28 | zhobbs | she always interviews me, but never quotes me...guess I'm not interesting enough |
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| 17:49.57 | anno^da_ | Does someone have an idea if it is possible to transcode a recorded 3GP file into MP3 on the device? (is there a possobility to get ffmpeg or sth similar on the device) |
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| 17:51.37 | anno^da_ | (because 0.9 is lacking MP3 encoding support) |
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| 19:14.45 | kingkung | hello? |
| 19:14.59 | zhobbs | hi? |
| 19:15.07 | kingkung | hi, just testing my mIRC setup |
| 19:15.23 | kingkung | hello android devs |
| 19:15.29 | zhobbs | :) |
| 19:16.02 | gdsx | kingkung: might I suggest xchat? |
| 19:16.21 | gdsx | mIRC sort of has the security record of swiss cheese |
| 19:16.29 | kingkung | ah |
| 19:16.32 | kingkung | okay |
| 19:16.52 | zhobbs | didn't realize they have xchat for windows |
| 19:17.13 | NiZoX | http://silverex.info/news/ |
| 19:18.23 | squeakypants | zhobbs: yup |
| 19:18.28 | squeakypants | i'm in it now |
| 19:18.54 | kingkung | i have a quick question, dunno if anyone can help |
| 19:19.29 | kingkung | re: listview focus |
| 19:19.55 | zhobbs | maybe, just ask |
| 19:20.10 | kingkung | i have a list of elements, and within those elements are Linkified links |
| 19:20.28 | kingkung | these links seem to grab the focus away from the actual list element |
| 19:20.40 | kingkung | so my OnClickListener becomes void for any element with a link in it |
| 19:21.25 | zhobbs | kinda a strange UI setup to have links inside list rows |
| 19:21.43 | kingkung | is there any good way to maintain this listener? so if the user touches the list element, something happens, and if he specifically touches the link within the element, it does a request? |
| 19:21.47 | kingkung | an http request |
| 19:22.09 | kingkung | why is that strange (just wondering)? |
| 19:23.05 | zhobbs | well, maybe it's not...just depends on the size of the linkified links vs the size of everything else I guess |
| 19:24.11 | kingkung | yeah, taking a list of contacts for example, you may have URLs for your contacts... |
| 19:25.34 | zhobbs | so when the user touches there you should get the onclick/onitemselect event from one of the two right? |
| 19:27.16 | kingkung | yeah |
| 19:27.22 | kingkung | if he touches the link it opens a browser |
| 19:27.39 | kingkung | if he touches anywhere else it does something else |
| 19:27.47 | kingkung | anywhere else within that list item |
| 19:27.48 | kingkung | i mean |
| 19:28.21 | kingkung | RomainGuy said there was an XML attribute that allowed a parent to inherit a child's state (and hence, focus) |
| 19:28.33 | kingkung | but i don't know what attribute he means |
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| 19:34.02 | romainguy_ | kingkung: it's in the documentation... android:addStatesFromChildren |
| 19:34.16 | romainguy_ | kingkung: is there any good way to maintain this listener? so if the user touches the list element, something happens, and if he specifically touches the link within the element, it does a request? << no |
| 19:37.21 | kingkung | hey, okay, thanks |
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| 19:43.08 | kingkung | RomainGuy, u said in a previous post that android doesn't handle embedded foci (focusable item within focusable item) well... is there something in the works, or is this going to be the way it is? |
| 19:43.43 | squeakypants | i'm not sure if this problem is with android or SQL |
| 19:44.43 | kingkung | ? |
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| 19:45.44 | squeakypants | i have an SQLiteDatabase |
| 19:45.51 | squeakypants | (gotten from getWritableDatabase) |
| 19:46.09 | squeakypants | one of the fields is "link text not null" |
| 19:46.31 | squeakypants | i tried values.put("link", link); (where link is a string containing a url) |
| 19:46.56 | squeakypants | i was rewarded with this error: |
| 19:46.57 | squeakypants | ERROR/Database(4012): Error inserting link=http://revision3.com/diggnation/feed/quicktime-small/ using INSERT INTO podcasts(link) VALUES(?); |
| 19:49.25 | zhobbs | squeakypants: missing any required fields on that table or something? |
| 19:49.53 | squeakypants | only not nulls are title and link, and I add title right after link |
| 19:50.12 | squeakypants | this is all in the ContentValues, before i do db.insert |
| 19:52.01 | squeakypants | oh do i need to do beginTransaction()? |
| 19:53.59 | kingkung | can I assume that's a no, then? |
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| 19:58.30 | squeakypants | well, putting it inside a "transaction" seems to have fixed it :) |
| 19:59.12 | kingkung | anyone else have this weird issue |
| 19:59.40 | kingkung | where if a listactivity menu has >6 items (where you have to hit "More") |
| 20:00.01 | kingkung | hitting "More" will nullify the selected item in the list? |
| 20:00.33 | squeakypants | "More"? |
| 20:00.55 | kingkung | when i have more than 6 MenuItems in my activity's menu |
| 20:01.10 | kingkung | it displays five of them on the first menu screen, and the last item is "More" with a down arrow |
| 20:03.54 | romainguy_ | argh |
| 20:03.56 | romainguy_ | this is not an issue |
| 20:04.09 | romainguy_ | selection and focus do not exist in touch mode |
| 20:04.29 | romainguy_ | you should NOT use the menu for context based actions |
| 20:14.15 | plusminus_ | will the androidmarket be opened before the t-mobile previewdevices are launched? |
| 20:14.59 | romainguy_ | nothing has been announced about devices |
| 20:17.00 | plusminus_ | not official |
| 20:17.03 | plusminus_ | lz |
| 20:17.06 | plusminus_ | ly |
| 20:17.21 | plusminus_ | maybe I was just dreaming of that... |
| 20:27.27 | squeakypants | hmm |
| 20:27.36 | squeakypants | i'm getting java.netSocketException when I try to open a URL |
| 20:27.39 | squeakypants | like to parse |
| 20:27.45 | romainguy_ | you need to request the INTERNET permission |
| 20:27.59 | squeakypants | aha, how do i do that? androidmanifest? |
| 20:28.02 | romainguy_ | yes |
| 20:28.10 | squeakypants | aha, thank you very much :D |
| 20:55.14 | kingkung | so romainguy, any chance in future versions of Android of the possibility that embedded focusable items may work as they should? |
| 20:55.53 | kingkung | i'm holding out hope. |
| 20:56.33 | romainguy_ | they do work as they should |
| 20:56.35 | romainguy_ | they get the focus |
| 20:58.30 | kingkung | i mean, any chance that the outer list item would be able to also have focus when it contains an inner focusable item? |
| 20:59.13 | kingkung | in future versions i mean |
| 20:59.45 | romainguy_ | no |
| 20:59.59 | romainguy_ | focus is on one widget at a time |
| 21:00.26 | kingkung | dammit |
| 21:00.29 | romainguy_ | enabling this would create a discrepancy between keyboard-based navigation and touch-based navigation |
| 21:00.49 | romainguy_ | (unless of course we find a nice way to do this :) |
| 21:01.03 | kingkung | i'm hoping that you do :) |
| 21:01.22 | romainguy_ | don't get your hopes too high |
| 21:01.36 | kingkung | okay, i'll try to find a way around it |
| 21:01.37 | romainguy_ | having to support touch and keyboard at the same time is a big mess |
| 21:01.48 | kingkung | i understand |
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| 22:43.47 | Dougie187 | So UK gets android phone on tmobile in november huh? |
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| 23:09.27 | snadge | Dougie187: where did you hear that? |
| 23:09.34 | Dougie187 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/08/htc-dream-coming-to-t-mobile-uk-in-november/ |
| 23:09.43 | snadge | i'll be in the UK in november.. i thought i had to wait until i was in the usa in december |
| 23:10.03 | Dougie187 | granted, its a rumour. |
| 23:10.20 | snadge | or should i wait till i get back to australia .. decisions ;) |
| 23:11.32 | snadge | i love how you can paste urls from bitchx now into firefox (when they split onto seperate lines) |
| 23:12.02 | snadge | it used to paste the newline into the address bar as well.. and break.. and you had to manually join the url back together (annoying) |
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| 23:15.37 | snadge | that article has a post in it that links to a cnet article which is offensive ;) |
| 23:16.02 | snadge | it suggests that andoid wont sell.. and that what people want is tightly integrated hardware/software ... okaaaay ;) |
| 23:29.10 | squeakypants | if i update a db that's attached to a SimpleCursorAdapter, how do i update the listview? |
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| 23:40.55 | kingkung | getListView().invalidateViews() |
| 23:41.09 | kingkung | you can only update the view through invalidating the entire listview. |
| 23:44.57 | zhobbs | I think you can update one row at a time |
| 23:45.12 | zhobbs | romainguy_: how do you update one row in a listview? just get the view for that row and invalidate it? |
| 23:47.45 | squeakypants | kingkung: thanks :) |
