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| 00:10.24 | schasi | Why does a fresh project in eclipse (android plugins installed) display Hello, World! when run? |
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| 00:23.58 | f00f- | because it's a hello world project by default |
| 00:24.04 | f00f- | look at your xml |
| 00:24.07 | f00f- | layout |
| 00:24.41 | schasi | uh |
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| 00:25.04 | schasi | I don't see any Hello World in the xml file. There is something about hello world in the R.java |
| 00:25.11 | f00f- | maybe |
| 00:28.32 | schasi | You where right, that is in the layout |
| 00:28.33 | schasi | Thank you |
| 00:28.43 | schasi | you really can read, unlike me ;-) |
| 00:30.13 | yakischloba | don't give him too much credit now |
| 00:30.30 | yakischloba | hey did jasta go to ireland or w/e? |
| 00:30.37 | yakischloba | pokes jasta |
| 00:30.43 | f00f- | i think he's in the ire |
| 00:30.56 | yakischloba | yeah i figured. its been too quiet in here recently |
| 00:31.12 | f00f- | but he is listening and reading scrollback i bet :P |
| 00:31.16 | f00f- | so play nice |
| 00:31.23 | yakischloba | yeah of course |
| 00:31.52 | schasi | What do you do with android? Using it for fun, or something else? |
| 00:33.40 | f00f- | heh, i feel bad not returning phone calls to car dealers |
| 00:33.42 | f00f- | but i guess i shouldn't |
| 00:33.46 | yakischloba | bleh. I need to pick up my project again one of these days |
| 00:33.59 | yakischloba | f00f-: car deals don't give a fuck about you |
| 00:34.04 | yakischloba | s/deals/dealers |
| 00:34.10 | f00f- | yeah, so i figure |
| 00:34.39 | f00f- | schasi: fun and eventually profit |
| 00:36.31 | schasi | Nice |
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| 03:05.36 | Razec | Hi all |
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| 12:41.44 | umdk1d4 | hmm |
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| 12:42.02 | umdk1d4 | *activity |
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| 13:51.30 | Proteus | does android only support opengl es 1.0 or are more recent versions also available? |
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| 14:40.00 | mohbana | hi, is there going to be any android announcements at the london dev day? |
| 14:45.23 | umdk1d4 | eek me freaks out |
| 14:48.14 | morrildl | Proteus_: 1.0 only |
| 14:48.21 | morrildl | though we are like one function implementation away from 1.1 |
| 14:48.32 | morrildl | but we don't claim compatibility with 1.1 |
| 14:48.52 | morrildl | mohbana: no |
| 14:50.17 | mohbana | so ... is 13th the us release date? |
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| 14:56.41 | Dougie187 | ... |
| 14:56.59 | Dougie187 | where did you hear that mohbana |
| 15:01.32 | gambler | morrildl, what are the prospects for OSGi becoming part of android? |
| 15:05.27 | morrildl | gambler: we have no plans for that |
| 15:09.51 | muthu1 | morrildl: when's the market launch? |
| 15:10.24 | gambler | I think some guys have already got it working, there is just a bit of uncertainty surrounding it. |
| 15:10.35 | gambler | http://blog.luminis.nl/roller/luminis/entry/osgi_on_google_android_using |
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| 15:18.17 | mohbana | Dougie187: october 13th, that is. |
| 15:18.27 | Dougie187 | yeah, but where did you hear it? |
| 15:18.46 | zhobbs | that's what androidguys have been saying for a while |
| 15:19.05 | Dougie187 | anything official saying it though? |
| 15:19.09 | Dougie187 | or is it just rumours? |
| 15:19.10 | Proteus_ | morrildl, so if android is one function away, I should try to learn 1.1 then? |
| 15:19.19 | zhobbs | Dougie187: rumors |
| 15:19.24 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 15:19.46 | gambler | just dont use that function |
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| 15:28.14 | Proteus_ | being new to embedded graphics programming, could anyone recommend a good way to get going with opengl ES 1.0 (1.1?)? |
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| 15:52.25 | zhobbs | strange, I have a WebView, and when I animate it onto the screen I can't interact with it (seems like it's not focusable), but if I hide it and reanimate it onto the screen it works |
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| 16:06.31 | Proteus_ | also, are there any plans for adding hardware support for 3d graphics in at least the higher-end smartphones? |
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| 16:07.06 | zhobbs | I thought the chipsets mentioned in the past included 3d accel support |
| 16:07.07 | Semi-Human | hi |
| 16:07.29 | Semi-Human | um....wats goin on |
| 16:07.43 | Semi-Human | hello? |
| 16:07.50 | zhobbs | ? |
| 16:08.16 | Semi-Human | hi |
| 16:25.23 | Proteus_ | zhobbs, oh, I thought I read acceleration was no go. |
| 16:25.40 | Proteus_ | I don't think the HTC dream has it |
| 16:25.45 | zhobbs | oh, maybe |
| 16:25.53 | zhobbs | don't know |
| 16:26.03 | Proteus_ | what sort of hit do you take with software rendering? |
| 16:26.23 | zhobbs | I'm not doing anything that justifies hardware rendering I don't think |
| 16:27.54 | zhobbs | Proteus_: the Qualcomm MSM7K supports 3d acceleration, and that's what the target for the linux kernel google released I think |
| 16:27.57 | zhobbs | Proteus_: http://www.helloandroid.com/node/22 |
| 16:28.46 | zhobbs | but, I don't know if that's actually going to be in the first handset |
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| 16:34.30 | Proteus_ | I don't need to target the first phone, I just want to have an app that targets as many as possible. most of what I want to do involves audio synthesis, so it's possible I could even have a fallback interface if accelleration isn't present. |
| 16:35.36 | Proteus_ | will the goole app store help with distributing software updates or is that something we have to manage ourselves? |
| 16:36.54 | Proteus_ | and does the same go for copy protection? |
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| 19:03.52 | umdk1d4 | hmm |
| 19:04.14 | umdk1d4 | TextView.setError() only shows callouts to the top, and doesnt point correctly when the TextView is at the bottom of the window |
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| 19:16.25 | anno^da- | Oh Armstrong is coming back. I'm curious how it will work without doping :D |
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| 19:22.37 | dmoffett | Are you implying that Armstrong doped? |
| 19:24.39 | anno^da- | Well at this time I would say 90% doped. |
| 19:25.39 | anno^da- | Ullrich, Basso, Pantani etc etc |
| 19:26.09 | anno^da- | I dont believe anything from this time. They were cycling on the same doping level. |
| 19:26.41 | zhobbs | first death due to LHC: http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/sep/10end.htm |
| 19:27.01 | anno^da- | lol |
| 19:27.18 | dmoffett | I often wonder myself but there is not proof yet. |
| 19:29.37 | dmoffett | My eight year old son was disturbed as well about the LHC. Mostly he was worried that he would not get his lego for Christmas. :-) |
| 19:29.47 | anno^da- | :D |
| 19:29.51 | zhobbs | :) |
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| 19:49.40 | anno^da- | http://www.tuaw.com/2008/09/10/itunes-8-adds-podcast-controls-terms-of-service-geographic-limi/ <- Why do we have this geographical restrictions. From my point of view this kind of thinking is oudated. We have the possibility to get TV shows etc live in the whole world and after that we restrict the possibilities. |
| 19:54.46 | anno^da- | http://www.fscklog.com/2008/09/sekai-camera-re.html |
| 19:54.53 | anno^da- | Some kind of Enkin for the iPhone |
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| 20:24.09 | Dougie187 | anyone else see this? |
| 20:24.11 | Dougie187 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/10/t-mobile-to-offer-android-handset-soon-reuters-reports/ |
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| 20:30.23 | plusminus_ | noting really new... |
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| 20:33.15 | meoblast001 | hi |
| 20:33.18 | meoblast001 | i need some help |
| 20:33.29 | meoblast001 | i have world "earth" |
| 20:33.41 | meoblast001 | and scene "usa" |
| 20:33.54 | meoblast001 | and camera "vision" |
| 20:34.03 | meoblast001 | and then a model i loaded "foo" |
| 20:34.11 | meoblast001 | how do i link vision to foo? |
| 20:40.38 | plusminus_ | wtf? |
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| 20:43.45 | meoblast001 | plusminus: im trying to link a model to a camera |
| 20:43.53 | meoblast001 | but the model and camera are NOT in the same file |
| 20:44.35 | romainguy | what are you talking about? |
| 20:44.48 | meoblast001 | oops |
| 20:44.49 | meoblast001 | LOL |
| 20:44.51 | meoblast001 | wrong c hannel |
| 20:45.11 | meoblast001 | plusminus_: romainguy: very sorry.. i meant to post that in #crystalspace |
| 20:45.30 | romainguy | :) |
| 20:47.10 | meoblast001 | romainguy: i've been trying to make a game for about a month now =) |
| 20:50.37 | plusminus_ | did andsudoku in 2 days and andpipes in 3 with a friend |
| 20:51.00 | plusminus_ | g2g, bye |
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| 21:18.10 | anno^da- | I have to say that Apples Genius works pretty fine. I havent thought that it could work that well. |
| 21:18.44 | anno^da- | I'm getting to songs in my library that I would mostly step over. |
| 21:21.02 | krosaen | http://code.google.com/p/apps-for-android/source/browse/#svn/trunk/DivideAndConquer |
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| 21:21.37 | anno^da- | New app? |
| 21:21.46 | anno^da- | Do you have some screens available ? |
| 21:22.12 | romainguy | it's a really addictive game :) |
| 21:22.13 | krosaen | not yet, i'm putting together a blog post that will probably get out within a couple days |
| 21:22.14 | Miek | i love that game! |
| 21:22.23 | krosaen | but thought i'd give you all the heads up :) |
| 21:22.36 | anno^da- | great thx |
| 21:22.42 | anno^da- | Does it built at the moment ? |
| 21:23.09 | Miek | high-fives krosaen |
| 21:23.30 | krosaen | anno^da-: yes |
| 21:23.47 | krosaen | but i didn't include the build.xml that was generated via the activitycreator.py since it was specific to my machine |
| 21:24.05 | krosaen | Miek: thanks! |
| 21:24.47 | krosaen | oh yeah, you can thank romain for the icon :) i should give him props in the README for that... |
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| 21:26.50 | anno^da- | krosaen: ah ok great. I'm building it :) |
| 21:27.58 | zhobbs | me too! :) |
| 21:28.48 | zhobbs | ahh, jezzball |
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| 21:36.49 | anno^da- | Just some screen for the guys that havent built it right now. |
| 21:36.50 | anno^da- | http://img.skitch.com/20080910-1rxc2wcdcma936172h36uhxamr.jpg |
| 21:38.33 | anno^da- | ohh level 5 |
| 21:38.52 | anno^da- | I'm addicted right now :D |
| 21:38.58 | krosaen | the best i've done was level 11, during a really boring meeting :) |
| 21:39.06 | krosaen | too bad it doesn't save high scores yet |
| 21:39.15 | anno^da- | online highscores :) |
| 21:39.25 | romainguy | even better on a real phone :)) |
| 21:39.27 | anno^da- | head to head shootouts :) |
| 21:39.44 | zhobbs | anno^da-: head to head would rock |
| 21:39.51 | anno^da- | Yeah |
| 21:40.05 | zhobbs | not sure how it'd work, but it'd be cool |
| 21:40.12 | anno^da- | these are the kind of apps I'd like to see :-) |
| 21:40.41 | anno^da- | Well some kind of counter on the bottom where you can see the percentage of the enemy |
| 21:40.57 | zhobbs | yeah, I guess whoever clears the most area |
| 21:41.03 | anno^da- | And if you double tab or something like that you get an overlay of the enemy |
| 21:41.16 | zhobbs | just, on the same map, or in paralell like tetris? |
| 21:41.40 | anno^da- | Well parallel would be cool as well but it need some thinking about the rules :-) |
| 21:41.46 | anno^da- | needs |
| 21:42.12 | zhobbs | latency is probably a problem if they were on the same playing field |
| 21:43.58 | anno^da- | Yeah thats right |
| 21:44.32 | anno^da- | Well there are so much things that you could do in this field of multiplayer gaming |
| 21:45.34 | zhobbs | yeah, wish bluetooth api's were stronger, could have a lot lower latency playing games against people in bluetooth range |
| 21:45.41 | anno^da- | romainguy: Do you know if there are some graphically advanced games in developement ? |
| 21:46.04 | romainguy | anno^da-: I can't answer any question about what may or may not be in development :) |
| 21:46.42 | anno^da- | :-) ok. |
| 21:49.42 | anno^da- | Something about the LHC: http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html |
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| 21:54.21 | zhobbs | lol |
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| 21:55.51 | anno^da- | ;) |
| 21:55.57 | kingkung | hello all |
| 21:56.11 | kingkung | i have a weird problem with imagebutton and onKeyListener |
| 21:56.23 | kingkung | i have a linearlayout of imagebuttons |
| 21:56.51 | kingkung | for each image button, i set an onKeyListener to listen for RIGHT and LEFT dpad buttons |
| 21:57.18 | kingkung | when the user hits RIGHT, I want the focus to shift to the next image button in the layout |
| 21:57.47 | romainguy | krosaen: focus question for you :) |
| 21:58.02 | kingkung | but for whatever reason, focus is shifting to the view 2 VIEWS away |
| 21:58.06 | kingkung | ... |
| 21:58.16 | zhobbs | kingkung: why not let android handle the right/left focus automatically? |
| 21:58.18 | romainguy | are you doing anything in the onKeyListener? |
| 21:58.43 | kingkung | yes, i'm finding the next child in the layout and requesting focus for it |
| 21:58.51 | romainguy | why are you doing this? |
| 21:58.57 | romainguy | why don't you let Android handle this? |
| 21:59.13 | zhobbs | kingkung: that should happen automatically |
| 21:59.14 | krosaen | kingkung: if you don't handle the directional event, the framework will automatically do a focus search |
| 21:59.40 | kingkung | will it wrap? |
| 21:59.45 | kingkung | in a linear layout? |
| 21:59.57 | krosaen | for the element at the right, you could use nextFocusRight |
| 22:00.10 | krosaen | and set it to the id of the view you'd like it to go too |
| 22:00.18 | krosaen | that's the way you can override the default focus finding |
| 22:00.40 | kingkung | i do find the correct focus |
| 22:01.02 | kingkung | it's just that the same key press is detected on THAT view as well |
| 22:01.31 | zhobbs | kingkung: just look at android:nextFocus* and stop doing the onKey stuff |
| 22:01.45 | krosaen | samples/ApiDemos//res/layout/focus_2.xml |
| 22:01.49 | krosaen | is an example |
| 22:02.31 | kingkung | okay, i'll take a look |
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| 22:07.03 | Proteus | how is copy protection going to be handled with the commercial app store? That is, if it's handled by the app store at all. |
| 22:08.54 | zhobbs | Proteus: nobody knows anything besides this: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/08/android-market-user-driven-content.html |
| 22:11.12 | Proteus | that's.... disappointingly uninformative. Is there at least a date when we wil lbe told if the marketplace is more like steam or more like youtube? |
| 22:11.34 | zhobbs | initially it'll only be free apps |
| 22:11.44 | Proteus | It'd be nice to have feedback about users, simple update support, copy protection, etc. |
| 22:11.47 | Proteus | yeah, I know |
| 22:12.04 | Proteus | but _eventually_ there will be commercial apps |
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| 22:15.29 | Dougie187 | Sure, but we don't know anything about what it is going to entail. |
| 22:15.39 | Dougie187 | I think there have been conversations of a rating system in here before |
| 22:15.49 | Dougie187 | and possibly some sort of licensing scheme. |
| 22:15.54 | Dougie187 | but i dont know if thats all true or not. |
| 22:16.09 | Dougie187 | also, i don't remember who was talking about it so it might just be a bunch of crap |
| 22:19.00 | Proteus | hrmm |
| 22:19.13 | zhobbs | Is there anyway to queue up Runnable's in a Handler...but not start executing the queue until I tell the Handler to do so? |
| 22:19.56 | zhobbs | I guess I could manually do it with a List of Runnables or something...just wondering if there's a built in way |
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| 23:15.32 | fariseo | HTC touch HD, is there anything preventing it running android? |
| 23:24.37 | AttractiveApe | How would we know/. |
| 23:24.47 | AttractiveApe | The phone hasn't been released yet. |
| 23:25.01 | AttractiveApe | However, it looks like it's the same chipset as the HTC Dream, so there probably shouldn't be a problem. |
| 23:30.51 | fariseo | so once android is out, will HTC sell the same device with either android or widoze? |
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| 23:38.17 | Dougie187 | probably windows... |
| 23:38.34 | Dougie187 | they probably already have a license agreement for it |
| 23:38.50 | Dougie187 | i would personally assume it has something about this situation in it. |
| 23:41.07 | Dougie187 | but noone really knows. |
