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| 00:48.57 | gambler | Is it harmful to drink charcoal? |
| 00:48.57 | gambler | My brita filter left some dust at the bottom of my glass. |
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| 00:51.46 | gambler | nm, The brita FAQ answers all :p |
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| 02:34.29 | plusminus_ | hey guys |
| 02:34.51 | plusminus_ | is there any possibility to get the GPS-connection strength ? (like the number of sattelites) |
| 02:35.08 | plusminus_ | just like good/medium/bad/none |
| 02:38.54 | plusminus_ | the only thign i can find are three unused constants in LocationProvider: http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/location/LocationProvider.html |
| 02:38.55 | gambler | I wish. but no. You can use location.criteria to specify when you would rather have ACCURACY_COARSE instead of ACCURACY_FINE :p |
| 02:39.18 | plusminus_ | should not be too hard to be determined ... :( |
| 02:39.58 | gambler | its driver dependent, I dont think they have developed a generic API. I want the same data for bluetooth. |
| 02:40.34 | plusminus_ | hm just realized this is maybe what I am searchign for: LocationListener.onStatusChanged |
| 02:43.38 | plusminus_ | it probably takes the 'mysterious' int from LocationProvider as status-parameter |
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| 02:44.48 | plusminus_ | am I false or did it get relatively quiet in here ? |
| 02:45.28 | gambler | hehe, engrish. :p |
| 02:45.57 | gambler | Am I wrong is a much more common idiom |
| 02:46.29 | gambler | and your not wrong. Its been very queit since jasta left to go spread the gospel of android in Ireland |
| 02:47.12 | plusminus_ | never heard "engrish" but is maybe my fault ;) |
| 02:49.02 | yakischloba | hah |
| 02:49.20 | yakischloba | everyone trying to pretend like they don't miss him |
| 02:49.44 | plusminus_ | I'm pretty exctied on the first Android ads. I hope we'll see our green robot friend ;) |
| 02:50.52 | plusminus_ | I hope t-mobile doesn't make it pink :( |
| 02:51.00 | plusminus_ | ... magenta, sorry |
| 02:51.17 | yakischloba | har |
| 02:51.36 | yakischloba | someone better tell me when this thing is comin out cause i havent been keeping track and i want one |
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| 02:53.52 | plusminus_ | there is nothing really official :( |
| 02:54.52 | yakischloba | hmm |
| 02:55.37 | Adamant | suposedly the 23rd, but it's not official |
| 02:55.56 | yakischloba | of this month? |
| 02:56.00 | Adamant | yup |
| 02:56.09 | yakischloba | hmm |
| 02:56.10 | yakischloba | doubt it |
| 02:56.22 | Adamant | that's when T-Mobile is supposed to be selling the HTC Dream |
| 02:56.38 | Adamant | which IIRC doesn't run WinMobile |
| 02:56.46 | yakischloba | si |
| 02:57.28 | unix_infidel | gambler: it's ALWAYS quiet in here. |
| 02:57.41 | Adamant | unix_infidel is in here? yay! |
| 02:58.00 | Adamant | unix_infidel: gonna write an financial app for Android? |
| 02:58.09 | unix_infidel | Adamant: wouldnt be a bad idea. |
| 02:58.11 | yakischloba | mm |
| 02:58.17 | yakischloba | has anyone gotten at least a stock ticker? |
| 02:58.26 | yakischloba | i havent seen anything |
| 02:58.46 | Adamant | a Stocks app that interfaces with Yahoo would be good |
| 02:58.52 | Adamant | that's what the iThings do |
| 02:58.54 | yakischloba | or Google Finance? |
| 02:58.59 | gambler | unix_infidel, what timezone are you in? |
| 02:59.00 | Adamant | yeah, that too |
| 02:59.10 | yakischloba | love those realtime quotes. |
| 02:59.25 | gambler | yakischloba, did you read my latest book reccomend? :p |
| 02:59.57 | yakischloba | gambler: not yet, been busy with work. I have it though |
| 03:00.24 | yakischloba | soon I'll have some time |
| 03:00.35 | gambler | cool |
| 03:01.19 | yakischloba | bed time, night |
| 03:01.34 | unix_infidel | question: if all the iphone kiddies are locked into contracts... |
| 03:01.48 | unix_infidel | what's the potential market for the android phone? |
| 03:02.06 | Adamant | everyone else |
| 03:02.24 | Adamant | seriously, some people just hate X brand of smartphone, whatever X is |
| 03:02.48 | Adamant | also Android will probably go both downmarket and upmarket of the iPhone |
| 03:03.23 | gambler | I dont know but I was pricing 3G deals here yesterday and I can get 6GB/month for $39, no contract |
| 03:03.26 | Adamant | i.e. there will be overall cheaper smartphones, and ultrafancy HTC-style phones with great screens and every goody you would want |
| 03:03.38 | Adamant | *goodie |
| 03:05.04 | gambler | what are you guys working on? I dont usually see you two here... |
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| 03:06.02 | unix_infidel | well I'm assuming you can take the top 25% of iphone owners who can afford a second phone will buy one just for kicks. |
| 03:06.07 | Adamant | gambler: nothing concrete yet. got some ideas for apps for sysadmins |
| 03:06.23 | unix_infidel | the middle 50 percent will give serious thought into it. and the bottom 25% will whine about being locked into a phone. |
| 03:06.53 | Adamant | also looking at interfacing VHLL's with Android |
| 03:07.16 | unix_infidel | so assuming that's 10 million people. what's the rest of the market look like, windows mobile and blackberry devices. |
| 03:07.20 | Adamant | dx really helps in that regard since a lot of things can compile to Java bytecode, which dx can convert to Dalvik |
| 03:07.55 | Adamant | lots of WinMo out there. Blackberry users won't use anything that isn't in Crackberry style |
| 03:08.04 | Adamant | but you can do that with Android |
| 03:08.09 | unix_infidel | of those users, what percent (not locked into a office phone) will consider buying the device. |
| 03:08.29 | Adamant | no idea, anything I could say would be very uneducated |
| 03:08.54 | unix_infidel | we're pontificating, everything is an uneducated guess here. |
| 03:09.09 | Adamant | well I mean not even a SWAG |
| 03:09.15 | Adamant | just a WAG |
| 03:09.28 | Adamant | SWAGs are useful, WAGs aren't |
| 03:10.44 | Adamant | I do think WinMobile users can be won in significant numbers. |
| 03:10.58 | Adamant | WInMobile sucks really bad but it has a huge base of software |
| 03:12.00 | Adamant | Crackberry is very well optimised for it's domain. it's got probably the best interface for bulk entering text and data on it's phones |
| 03:12.16 | Adamant | at least most of them |
| 03:13.02 | Adamant | I have a iTouch and that's one of the biggest complaints I have about it |
| 03:13.09 | Adamant | and why I'm looking into Android |
| 03:18.52 | romainguy | re |
| 03:18.54 | unix_infidel | I think what'll get people hooked on android is a applicably featured office / productivity suite. |
| 03:19.40 | Adamant | maybe. |
| 03:19.42 | unix_infidel | whether google makes it a part of google docs or an app for android that plugs into google docs remains to be seen. |
| 03:20.33 | Adamant | unix_infidel: I wouldn't be surprised if you can use Google Gears to run Google Docs |
| 03:22.10 | unix_infidel | Adamant: people are still more comfortable with the client server mindset. |
| 03:22.43 | unix_infidel | if google gears is to work, it needs to LOOK like they've just downloaded google docs spreadsheets application to their phone and are effectively connected to server for their content (which is synced locally) |
| 03:29.07 | f00f- | *yawn* |
| 03:29.30 | muthu_ | hey f00f- |
| 03:29.33 | muthu_ | how you been? |
| 03:30.18 | unix_infidel | f00f-: either currently well rested or bored at my musing. |
| 03:30.21 | unix_infidel | musings* |
| 03:30.29 | unix_infidel | ;-) |
| 03:30.54 | f00f- | muthu!!! |
| 03:31.02 | f00f- | been good man. geting lots of sleep. you? |
| 03:31.11 | f00f- | unix_infidel: yeah, relaxing actually, heating up dinner over here |
| 03:31.13 | muthu_ | i'm working on the next big thing.. |
| 03:31.20 | f00f- | :D :D |
| 03:31.24 | f00f- | some new project eh? |
| 03:31.38 | f00f- | welll we thought about our direction for about 2 weeks |
| 03:31.42 | f00f- | and we've decided to continue |
| 03:31.51 | muthu_ | great |
| 03:32.27 | muthu_ | i'm just making sure that i'm not left out when the market hits ;) |
| 03:35.50 | f00f- | you mean *the* Market ? |
| 03:35.57 | f00f- | yeah we wont have anything out there for a few months |
| 03:36.04 | muthu_ | oh yeah, THE market! |
| 03:36.16 | muthu_ | why, the market is this month |
| 03:36.54 | f00f- | market is when they release the phone |
| 03:36.56 | f00f- | which is october, no? |
| 03:37.01 | f00f- | last time i checked the rumor mill |
| 03:37.02 | muthu_ | no |
| 03:37.03 | muthu_ | sep |
| 03:37.13 | muthu_ | 23 |
| 03:37.20 | f00f- | ugh |
| 03:37.21 | f00f- | sux |
| 03:37.25 | f00f- | whatevs |
| 03:37.30 | muthu_ | is pednav ready? |
| 03:37.55 | f00f- | no, we're going to need 3 months |
| 03:38.01 | muthu_ | wow! |
| 03:38.04 | muthu_ | 3 more? |
| 03:38.05 | f00f- | have some technical/logistical challenges on the backend that we're working on |
| 03:38.11 | f00f- | yeah more or less |
| 03:38.17 | muthu_ | is it free? |
| 03:38.29 | f00f- | oh it will be free, if all goes well |
| 03:38.40 | muthu_ | then you need to bring it on fast |
| 03:38.56 | f00f- | probably going to release it when paid apps become available |
| 03:39.00 | f00f- | need to work out the timing |
| 03:39.13 | muthu_ | paid apps are a long way to go |
| 03:39.21 | muthu_ | may be in tmo stores |
| 03:39.28 | f00f- | 90 days from the point the free market opens |
| 03:39.36 | muthu_ | oh ok |
| 03:39.37 | f00f- | 90-120 maybe |
| 03:39.38 | f00f- | :P |
| 03:39.41 | unix_infidel | is the first handset definately going to be the dream? |
| 03:39.55 | muthu_ | its G1 |
| 03:40.55 | unix_infidel | hopefully the handset isnt a mechanism to get us addicted to the platform. |
| 03:41.06 | gambler | f00f-, does pednav interact with a calendar? |
| 03:41.13 | unix_infidel | so the early adopters dont get suckered into the device. |
| 03:41.33 | muthu_ | as long as android updates are seamless.. shouldn't matter |
| 03:42.08 | romainguy | you guys are interesting to read :)) |
| 03:42.13 | unix_infidel | when there are plans to release for the htc touch HD |
| 03:42.24 | f00f- | gambler: ideally, yes. |
| 03:42.57 | f00f- | gambler: but i dont see a calendar in the samples :) |
| 03:43.00 | muthu_ | its all going to pour in from end of sep |
| 03:43.40 | f00f- | muthu_: you mean the money for your app? :P |
| 03:43.54 | muthu_ | oh yeah! |
| 03:43.59 | f00f- | romain, i'm surprised there is no Calendar app |
| 03:44.00 | muthu_ | hehe.. but its free though |
| 03:44.06 | romainguy | f00f-: this is the **SDK** |
| 03:44.16 | romainguy | an SDK is not a phone |
| 03:44.22 | f00f- | there's a Calculator in your SDK! :) |
| 03:44.52 | muthu_ | and there's GMail in your SDK! :)) |
| 03:45.39 | gambler | romainguy, what else is not a phone :p |
| 03:46.12 | romainguy | muthu_: there's no Gmail in the SDK |
| 03:46.32 | muthu_ | romainguy, true.. now that i thing of it ;) |
| 03:46.38 | muthu_ | s/thing/think |
| 03:48.58 | romainguy | gambler: the SDK |
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| 03:49.19 | muthu_ | the togglebutton is buggy |
| 03:49.34 | muthu_ | when selected, the text disappears |
| 03:53.09 | muthu_ | Lehman brothers.. and what next? |
| 03:54.50 | muthu_ | ha! divide and conquer.. |
| 03:55.27 | muthu_ | is that on googlecode? |
| 03:56.07 | muthu_ | oh, i already have it :) |
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| 03:56.37 | gambler | if their buddies in washington dont bail them out. whats been happening is a disgrace |
| 03:56.56 | muthu_ | the bailing is happening.. |
| 03:57.17 | muthu_ | but its not going to stop the other failed ones |
| 03:57.30 | muthu_ | AIG is the next one in line |
| 03:58.42 | f00f- | yeah man |
| 03:58.49 | f00f- | how are the markets holding up |
| 04:00.20 | unix_infidel | why does the sdk require the full JDK when it runs on it's own custom JVM? |
| 04:00.34 | romainguy | unix_infidel: because you need a compiler |
| 04:00.44 | romainguy | and some other tools from the JDK |
| 04:05.43 | gambler | f00f-, the markets are diving today. a few more suicides in the WSJ tommorow probably |
| 04:05.59 | muthu_ | lol |
| 04:06.29 | muthu_ | no more suicides.. we are all prepared now! |
| 04:06.53 | gambler | how do you figure? |
| 04:07.08 | gambler | I heard indians dont handle the LHC too well |
| 04:07.19 | muthu_ | hehe |
| 04:07.46 | muthu_ | Rs1 a kg of rice scheme launched yesterday |
| 04:08.02 | gambler | its a crazy world. |
| 04:08.03 | gambler | whoa |
| 04:08.17 | gambler | Rs1 for a kg...how does that work |
| 04:08.56 | muthu_ | no one knows.. but the scheme launched |
| 04:09.19 | muthu_ | Rs1 is what.. 10cents? |
| 04:09.28 | muthu_ | 45Rs = 1$ |
| 04:10.12 | muthu_ | for a quarter you get 1kg of rice |
| 04:10.14 | gambler | 2c |
| 04:10.22 | gambler | according to thecalculation I just did on oanda.com |
| 04:10.29 | muthu_ | oh |
| 04:10.40 | muthu_ | yes 2c |
| 04:10.46 | muthu_ | woah! |
| 04:10.50 | gambler | maybe Ill quit my android project and start flying rice from india to japan |
| 04:10.55 | muthu_ | lol |
| 04:11.17 | muthu_ | i'm writing a rice trading android app.. hehe |
| 04:11.24 | gambler | Ill invest :p |
| 04:12.18 | muthu_ | i just need 5$ to start.. |
| 04:14.16 | muthu_ | imagine.. i take 5$ and buy all the rice |
| 04:14.30 | muthu_ | then lock myself and create android apps |
| 04:14.33 | muthu_ | wow! |
| 04:14.35 | gambler | corner the market, and jack up the price like OPEC - smart. |
| 04:14.44 | gambler | advantage: muthu |
| 04:14.48 | muthu_ | haha |
| 04:14.58 | muthu_ | man, my startup needs only 5$ loan |
| 04:15.11 | muthu_ | to sustain for the next 5 years |
| 04:15.37 | gambler | I am a 3rd world loan shark... |
| 04:15.44 | gambler | My kiva.org profile should be kicking around somewhere |
| 04:15.56 | muthu_ | gambler, do you use kiva.org? |
| 04:16.04 | muthu_ | how much have you loaned? |
| 04:16.22 | gambler | muthu_, Im one of their better customers :p |
| 04:16.33 | muthu_ | wonderful |
| 04:18.02 | gambler | yes the 3rd world becoming richer would make me very happy. I find it a fascinating place even if I am scared to go to it |
| 04:18.14 | gambler | my last trip to a 3rd world country did not go well :p |
| 04:18.23 | muthu_ | 3rd world getting richer.. is a long way to go |
| 04:18.25 | f00f- | too much gambling no doubt |
| 04:18.40 | muthu_ | gambler, you need to be prepared |
| 04:18.47 | muthu_ | the 3rd world stinks! |
| 04:19.00 | muthu_ | if you come to india, be prepared for anything |
| 04:19.44 | gambler | I was going to go last year for a big linux conf but I ended up going to china instead |
| 04:20.00 | muthu_ | mid autumn festival in china now |
| 04:20.04 | muthu_ | should be fun |
| 04:20.08 | gambler | If I come it will be in winter because Im scared of malaria |
| 04:20.21 | muthu_ | take all your shots |
| 04:20.30 | muthu_ | and drink bottled water |
| 04:20.53 | gambler | how does it work for indians, you have a natural immunity? |
| 04:20.59 | muthu_ | yup |
| 04:21.28 | muthu_ | you live in shit, you get used to it |
| 04:21.48 | muthu_ | India is a land of extremes |
| 04:22.37 | muthu_ | that's the beauty of it |
| 04:23.05 | gambler | I think india is going to do so well. whoever thought of teaching english I think that was a very smart idea. |
| 04:23.27 | muthu_ | india has the population problem |
| 04:23.41 | muthu_ | it will improve in the next 100years |
| 04:24.15 | muthu_ | hopefully! |
| 04:24.28 | muthu_ | where's jastapedia? |
| 04:24.59 | muthu_ | without jasta, this channel is just not the same |
| 04:25.14 | muthu_ | hey googs hire him, and make him this channel mod |
| 04:26.07 | romainguy | jasta moderator? |
| 04:26.07 | romainguy | no way :p |
| 04:26.13 | gambler | sing it sister |
| 04:26.15 | plusminus_ | ^^ |
| 04:26.15 | muthu_ | haha.. he'll ban everyone |
| 04:26.37 | muthu_ | romainguy, you work with hackbod? |
| 04:26.40 | romainguy | yes |
| 04:26.46 | muthu_ | what she works on? |
| 04:26.57 | romainguy | the applications layer |
| 04:27.09 | romainguy | mostly the window manager, the intents, the binder, the package manager, etc. |
| 04:27.15 | muthu_ | cool |
| 04:27.20 | muthu_ | she answers almost anything |
| 04:27.26 | muthu_ | along with megha ofcourse |
| 04:27.34 | romainguy | yes, Dianne is a very impressive engineer |
| 04:27.46 | muthu_ | romainguy, dianne, justin and you |
| 04:27.57 | muthu_ | you deserve a raise :) |
| 04:28.06 | muthu_ | shit.. add megha to the list |
| 04:28.36 | muthu_ | does the android team, take your forum participation into account? |
| 04:29.01 | plusminus_ | i assume android 1.0 is internally really close to finish? |
| 04:29.09 | muthu_ | should be |
| 04:29.16 | muthu_ | sep 23 is damn close |
| 04:29.19 | plusminus_ | did you android-devs receive some free days ? |
| 04:29.36 | plusminus_ | because you had to work day-night for the last 5 months ;) |
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| 04:30.08 | romainguy | we're treated well :) |
| 04:30.23 | muthu_ | romainguy, you keep saying that.. what does it mean? |
| 04:30.25 | plusminus_ | 24/7 back-massages |
| 04:30.32 | plusminus_ | obviously |
| 04:30.55 | plusminus_ | i've not seen a such satisfied smiley for long |
| 04:31.06 | muthu_ | autoLinks rocks! |
| 04:31.27 | plusminus_ | ? |
| 04:31.40 | muthu_ | you get all the android features for free, with autoLink=true |
| 04:31.40 | plusminus_ | is it an attribute? |
| 04:31.47 | muthu_ | yeah, in textview |
| 04:31.53 | muthu_ | web/email/call |
| 04:31.59 | muthu_ | don't even have to bother with intents |
| 04:32.15 | umdk1d3 | yea where is jasta these days? |
| 04:32.22 | muthu_ | jasta is in ireland |
| 04:32.34 | plusminus_ | muthu_: your are talking of Linkify ? |
| 04:32.37 | muthu_ | trying to find his old girlfriend |
| 04:32.41 | umdk1d3 | lol |
| 04:32.45 | muthu_ | haha |
| 04:32.58 | muthu_ | plusminus_, its called autoLink |
| 04:33.53 | umdk1d3 | interesting i wonder how it does "map" |
| 04:34.02 | umdk1d3 | looking for addresses, or geo coordinates maybe? |
| 04:34.03 | muthu_ | amazed by the kind of functionality that android provides, with so little code |
| 04:34.05 | romainguy | muthu_: it's also Linkify |
| 04:34.20 | plusminus_ | yeah, its 'the same' |
| 04:34.24 | muthu_ | oh ok |
| 04:34.25 | plusminus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.25 | plusminus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.42 | muthu_ | its so useful |
| 04:34.42 | plusminus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.11 | muthu_ | does textview handle formatting? |
| 04:35.14 | muthu_ | html that is |
| 04:35.28 | romainguy | some limited form of HTML yes |
| 04:35.37 | romainguy | things like <b>, <i>, etc. |
| 04:35.44 | muthu_ | oh.. ok |
| 04:35.51 | muthu_ | then mine should be in encoded form |
| 04:36.01 | muthu_ | because it shows as <b> |
| 04:36.25 | muthu_ | might need to decode and then set it in textview |
| 04:36.39 | donomo | how could startService() get called when the phone boots up? |
| 04:37.54 | umdk1d3 | donomo: might look at android.permission.RECEIVE_BOOT_COMPLETED |
| 04:37.59 | umdk1d3 | havent tried it tho |
| 04:38.05 | donomo | umdk1d3: i will. thx |
| 04:38.17 | muthu_ | umdk1d3, ready for launch? |
| 04:38.29 | plusminus_ | g2g guys, I feel like there might be a Market-Announcement tomorrow, but its probably just what I'll be dreaming :-P |
| 04:38.40 | muthu_ | plusminus_, might be |
| 04:38.42 | umdk1d3 | another one? |
| 04:38.44 | muthu_ | since 23 is close |
| 04:38.49 | plusminus_ | yep |
| 04:38.52 | plusminus_ | bye |
| 04:38.57 | muthu_ | bye |
| 04:38.58 | umdk1d3 | oh true, to get developers on board |
| 04:39.00 | romainguy | sweet |
| 04:39.06 | romainguy | Divide and Conquer is available |
| 04:39.15 | umdk1d3 | lol reminds me of that KDE game |
| 04:39.36 | romainguy | too bad Karl didn't keep the original name he chose for this game :) |
| 04:40.00 | plusminus_ | wohoo I love that one :) |
| 04:44.04 | muthu_ | what's the best view to show groups? |
| 04:44.24 | muthu_ | need to show title and items |
| 04:44.45 | muthu_ | a list of title and items (groups) |
| 04:44.53 | muthu_ | grid is good for items |
| 04:44.57 | muthu_ | but it doesn't take title |
| 04:45.06 | muthu_ | and no grouping in grids |
| 04:45.34 | romainguy | write your own layout |
| 04:45.41 | muthu_ | argghhh |
| 04:45.47 | gambler | weird...I just logged into kiva and there is a shortage of recipients right now |
| 04:45.51 | muthu_ | i hate writing anything on my own ;) |
| 04:46.17 | muthu_ | gambler, really? |
| 04:46.33 | muthu_ | come on! the world has not developed so fast.. |
| 04:46.37 | gambler | yah...you put up a loan and I think your probably 99% to get it funded right now |
| 04:46.49 | muthu_ | runs to kiva.org |
| 04:46.53 | muthu_ | lol |
| 04:46.57 | gambler | no totally. I dont mind donating recklessly but there are 7 total loans on the site right now |
| 05:02.04 | muthu_ | 50$/hr for android consultant.. |
| 05:04.03 | SanMehat | re: |
| 05:04.13 | romainguy | yo SanMehat |
| 05:04.20 | gambler | slt |
| 05:04.22 | SanMehat | yo romain |
| 05:04.29 | SanMehat | whats up man? |
| 05:05.00 | gdsx | moo :o) |
| 05:05.14 | romainguy | not much, trying to convince myself to finish the couple of apps I'm working on |
| 05:05.49 | gambler | gdsx, hi |
| 05:06.18 | SanMehat | nice :) |
| 05:07.00 | romainguy | how about you? feeling better? :) |
| 05:08.10 | SanMehat | yeah much :) |
| 05:08.25 | gambler | ok enough goofing off |
| 05:08.40 | gambler | puts head into books |
| 05:11.59 | muthu_ | what you reading gambler? |
| 05:20.53 | muthu_ | requestFocus is not working as expected |
| 05:21.14 | muthu_ | how to make a view grab the focus by default? |
| 05:21.28 | romainguy | requestFocus() |
| 05:21.36 | muthu_ | hmmm |
| 05:21.59 | muthu_ | multiautocomplete not getting focus |
| 05:23.26 | muthu_ | prbly some other view stealing the focus |
| 05:24.29 | muthu_ | ha! working now.. |
| 05:37.35 | gambler | muthu_ just boring technical documentation. Any good suggestions? |
| 05:38.04 | gambler | (non technical please) |
| 05:38.17 | muthu_ | i read mostly technical stuff |
| 05:39.22 | muthu_ | the last book i read was.. the davinci code |
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| 05:41.34 | bleeee | hello is anyone going to the google dev day in London today? |
| 05:41.51 | muthu_ | is that today? |
| 05:42.00 | muthu_ | just registered for the bangalore event |
| 05:42.04 | chomchom | yup |
| 05:42.24 | chomchom | its in like 3 hour |
| 05:42.24 | chomchom | s |
| 05:42.31 | muthu_ | nice |
| 05:42.35 | chomchom | I'm just installing all the stuff |
| 05:43.08 | chomchom | Me and another regular in here are giving talks, so I'm really looking forward to that |
| 05:43.23 | chomchom | Ascia is talking about android providers |
| 05:43.38 | muthu_ | wow, cool |
| 05:43.42 | chomchom | which annoyingly clashes with the google gears presentation |
| 05:44.02 | gambler | go to android providers and come back and tell us about it |
| 05:44.28 | gambler | btw what are android providers? |
| 05:44.30 | chomchom | You can just ask him yourself hes usually in here |
| 05:44.50 | chomchom | they are the sharing mechanism in android to share data between apps |
| 05:44.58 | gambler | oh content providers |
| 05:45.04 | chomchom | in a yeah |
| 05:45.10 | chomchom | I mean yeah |
| 05:46.23 | chomchom | Google Team: Will any of you be there that I will recognise from lurking in this room? |
| 05:47.43 | f00f- | londres? |
| 05:47.52 | f00f- | or where is it going down |
| 05:47.52 | chomchom | yes |
| 05:47.55 | f00f- | nice |
| 05:48.05 | f00f- | have some fish and chips on me |
| 05:48.17 | chomchom | in Wembly stadium no less |
| 05:48.27 | f00f- | cheers :> |
| 05:48.43 | chomchom | Getting the sleeper train back to Glasgow after it |
| 05:48.54 | f00f- | nice nice, i miss going to expensive conferences |
| 05:49.01 | f00f- | is this like a google i/o-type event? |
| 05:49.01 | chomchom | its free! |
| 05:49.50 | gambler | you sound like homer simpson |
| 05:50.25 | gambler | do you have to pay for google i/o ? |
| 05:51.19 | muthu_ | yes |
| 05:51.38 | gambler | how much? |
| 05:52.38 | muthu_ | 400 |
| 05:53.18 | gambler | hmm interesting. Id be more likely to go to that than a free one |
| 05:53.28 | f00f- | well just get an invite |
| 05:53.32 | f00f- | bargain, etc. |
| 05:53.36 | f00f- | say you're poor college student |
| 05:53.54 | muthu_ | f00f-, he says he wants to pay |
| 05:54.39 | f00f- | no he doesnt |
| 05:54.41 | f00f- | no one wants to pay |
| 05:54.43 | f00f- | believe me :P |
| 05:54.50 | muthu_ | gambler, wants to pay |
| 05:55.05 | gambler | no I would rather pay. the quality is better |
| 05:55.15 | umdk1d3 | "google i/o" was free last year when it was google developer day |
| 05:55.56 | muthu_ | not sure why they are charging now |
| 05:56.09 | f00f- | they realized their stock price is just speculation |
| 05:56.14 | f00f- | so they need some solid cash |
| 05:56.37 | muthu_ | goog has all the money it wants |
| 05:56.53 | f00f- | you believe that? |
| 05:57.03 | muthu_ | yeah, they make tons of money |
| 05:57.55 | chomchom | ok guys well I have to run, if anyone goes come in asking tell them that kevin mcdonagh giving the greenmap talk in streetfighter 2 at 17:00 and Carl Harroch giving the Content Providers talk around 13:00 in the main halls are looking to meet up with people from this chat room so come up and say hello! |
| 05:58.33 | gambler | gl chomchom |
| 05:58.38 | chomchom | cheers |
| 05:58.43 | muthu_ | cheers |
| 05:59.40 | gambler | It would be really nice if these Google I/O videos used VGA output instead of a camera on the projector screen. |
| 06:03.57 | Adamant | Google has to be worried about ad prices staying up if the US and world economy start going in the toliet. |
| 06:04.28 | muthu_ | a bad economy is for everyone |
| 06:04.59 | Adamant | not necessarily, some companies do better in a bad economy |
| 06:05.10 | muthu_ | which ones? |
| 06:05.24 | Adamant | for instance deep freeze refrigerator sales have gone up in the US due to increasing food prices |
| 06:05.32 | gambler | tv repair would be the canonical example |
| 06:05.37 | Adamant | muthu_: you'd have to ask a trader |
| 06:05.47 | Adamant | gambler: not enough of them left to matter |
| 06:05.54 | gambler | EXAMPLE |
| 06:06.01 | Adamant | lol, sorry :( |
| 06:06.16 | gambler | np |
| 06:06.34 | Adamant | you old folks and your fancy TV repairmen |
| 06:07.02 | Adamant | ducks |
| 06:07.18 | gambler | :p |
| 06:07.27 | gambler | no non-LCDs here |
| 06:08.20 | gambler | all my tv is webified through utorrent and windows media player sitting in my living room |
| 06:08.39 | gambler | thank god these old main stream media companies will die soon |
| 06:08.47 | Adamant | nah, they won't |
| 06:08.50 | muthu_ | who's the new media? |
| 06:08.53 | Adamant | too much good conent |
| 06:08.56 | Adamant | *content |
| 06:09.31 | gambler | muthu_, the winners are still being chosen. Id say someplace like lulu.com qualifies |
| 06:09.53 | muthu_ | pretty exciting times now |
| 06:10.26 | muthu_ | the print media will go away |
| 06:10.43 | Adamant | in it's current form |
| 06:10.49 | muthu_ | right |
| 06:10.57 | Adamant | but there will always be a market for hyperlocal news |
| 06:11.13 | Adamant | or just local |
| 06:11.25 | muthu_ | how news is delivered will change |
| 06:11.46 | Adamant | really the Internet and Web sucks crap for local stuff. BBS's were better even, which is sad. |
| 06:12.18 | f00f- | technology all sucks. i hate it |
| 06:12.24 | f00f- | never works right, etc. |
| 06:12.25 | muthu_ | hehe |
| 06:12.29 | Adamant | every OS sucks |
| 06:12.31 | gambler | oh I meant hulu btw. |
| 06:12.41 | Adamant | lulu won't do too badly either |
| 06:12.49 | Adamant | and hulu is run by NBC and a few others IIRC |
| 06:13.13 | gambler | yeah |
| 06:14.04 | gambler | clay shirky gave a really good talk about the move away from TV |
| 06:14.12 | gambler | bright fellow |
| 06:14.17 | gambler | get it on edge.org |
| 06:14.51 | f00f- | ok thanks buddy |
| 06:14.54 | f00f- | i am watching the office now |
| 06:18.37 | muthu_ | antialias font rocks |
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| 06:31.44 | muthu_ | chrome is out for linux? |
| 06:32.52 | muthu_ | http://www.codeweavers.com/services/ports/chromium/ |
| 06:33.20 | romainguy | it's just a version that runs on WINE |
| 06:33.43 | muthu_ | when's the linux version out? |
| 06:35.08 | gdsx | muthu_: "WIR" |
| 06:35.14 | muthu_ | uninstalled flock long time back.. to install chrome |
| 06:35.17 | gdsx | #chromium-linux, btw |
| 06:35.40 | muthu_ | oh cool |
| 06:35.49 | gambler | Are there any other VMs planned besides V8/JScript |
| 06:39.06 | f00f- | hahah muthu |
| 06:39.10 | f00f- | i know you were raving about flock |
| 06:39.19 | muthu_ | lol |
| 06:39.36 | muthu_ | flock crashed a few times.. and that's the end of it |
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| 08:10.33 | Adamant | it sounds like the Linux version won't be out for a good long while |
| 08:10.51 | muthu_ | yeah, looks like it |
| 08:10.52 | Adamant | they're also having trouble with the OS X version, but it's further along than Linux |
| 08:11.17 | Adamant | yeah I tried Chrome in a VM running Windows |
| 08:11.21 | Adamant | it's pretty slick |
| 08:11.35 | muthu_ | a light weight browser is what i want now |
| 08:11.38 | muthu_ | just browsing |
| 08:11.50 | Adamant | Chrome is pretty close to that, I think. |
| 08:12.06 | muthu_ | that's why i dumped flock |
| 08:12.15 | muthu_ | unfortunately a bit too fast |
| 08:12.18 | Adamant | I dunno, I'm gonna keep using Firefox until Chrome gets extensions at least. |
| 08:12.38 | muthu_ | have firefox now |
| 08:12.41 | Adamant | extensions are just too useful not to use them |
| 08:12.52 | muthu_ | firefox for dev browsing |
| 08:13.02 | muthu_ | chrome for browsing |
| 08:14.01 | Adamant | and yeah, support for more languages than just Javascript would be nice for Chrome |
| 08:14.16 | Adamant | I think the V8 VM is pretty hardwired to Javascript though |
| 08:14.24 | muthu_ | guess so |
| 08:14.44 | muthu_ | what else you looking at? |
| 08:14.50 | Adamant | yeah. being able to develop in many languages is pretty much the only reason to use Silverlight. |
| 08:14.57 | Adamant | for what? |
| 08:15.05 | muthu_ | more languages? |
| 08:15.28 | muthu_ | isn't javascript enough? |
| 08:15.33 | Adamant | eh, I'd like to be able to use a fairly arbitrary language to do client-side web apps |
| 08:15.57 | Adamant | for instance do everything in Ruby instead of Javascript |
| 08:16.27 | muthu_ | hmm.. then it gets bloated |
| 08:16.53 | Adamant | well, not if there was a standardized thing for languages to target. |
| 08:17.43 | muthu_ | browser + javascript is a nice combo |
| 08:17.46 | Adamant | most modern high level languages would map reasonably well onto a Javascript-optimized VM |
| 08:17.48 | Adamant | it is |
| 08:17.48 | tric | there is, javascript. i doubt ms will ever include ruby and such. so there is no choice anyway |
| 08:18.12 | Adamant | tric: you can't do Ruby and such in Silverlight? |
| 08:18.23 | Adamant | I thought you could do IronRuby |
| 08:20.03 | muthu_ | how to get unique id of the phone? |
| 08:21.51 | muthu_ | there is a service to call.. forgot which one |
| 08:28.50 | muthu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.52 | muthu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.01 | muthu_ | will that work? |
| 08:35.52 | muthu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.07 | muthu_ | that might work |
| 08:38.00 | tric | adamant: silverlight only works in windows, so again a problem. i doubt there will be solution in the next 5 years. |
| 08:38.23 | Adamant | tric: I have the Silverlight plugin for my Mac |
| 08:38.37 | Adamant | but I doubt they will make one for Linux |
| 08:53.53 | gambler | Is there a Groupbox kind of control in Android? |
| 08:53.56 | gambler | eg. http://www.potu.com/man/doc.trolltech.com/4.0/images/groupbox-example.png |
| 08:54.03 | gambler | (the frame) |
| 08:54.59 | muthu_ | nope |
| 08:55.53 | gambler | oh wow this is handy: http://whyandroid.com/android/tutorial/88-a-visual-guide-to-android-gui-widgets.html |
| 08:56.40 | gambler | Is that the lot? |
| 08:57.00 | muthu_ | wow, cool |
| 08:57.19 | muthu_ | whyandroid - first time hearing it |
| 08:57.24 | muthu_ | but looks like a great site |
| 08:58.41 | gambler | yep a bit of content there |
| 09:02.17 | gambler | whoa |
| 09:02.21 | gambler | droiddraw.org |
| 09:05.20 | muthu_ | nice |
| 09:11.46 | tric | wow, what a news, there is droiddraw. wow |
| 09:13.12 | muthu_ | wow wow |
| 09:13.36 | gambler | gpl too |
| 09:13.43 | gambler | code.google.com/p/droiddraw/ |
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| 09:50.12 | muthu_ | can buttons be added to gallery view? |
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| 10:48.56 | snadge | if you want to do client side code in a web browser.. javascript is the only option, unless you count flash, or java itself |
| 10:49.36 | snadge | silverlight is a neat toy and all.. but unless its free software, its essentially useless for the same reason flash is |
| 10:50.29 | snadge | except you have an even smaller userbase and no linux support at all.. fantastic ;) |
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| 12:58.20 | Dougie187 | hey yakischloba |
| 12:58.35 | Dougie187 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/16/t-mobile-to-sell-dream-starting-late-october-sez-wsj/ |
| 12:58.56 | yakischloba | mmm |
| 12:59.04 | yakischloba | peers through his bleary eyes |
| 12:59.48 | yakischloba | how annoying is it to transfer numbers between carriers? |
| 12:59.57 | yakischloba | i've never done it before |
| 13:02.56 | zhobbs | yakischloba: not that bad |
| 13:03.15 | zhobbs | probably won't take long to unlock the thing though, who knows what the full price is |
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| 13:05.24 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 13:05.31 | Dougie187 | im interested to know how much its gonna run. |
| 13:06.51 | yakischloba | zhobbs: im not on a gsm carrier anyway |
| 13:08.00 | yakischloba | Dougie187: as long as its not $500 or something I don't really care heh |
| 13:08.31 | Dougie187 | i would hope its not that much though, since the idea is there is not a license fee. |
| 13:08.41 | yakischloba | yeah |
| 13:09.00 | Dougie187 | i would be very disappointed if it was that expensive. |
| 13:09.01 | Dougie187 | lol |
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| 13:09.18 | yakischloba | isnt it speculated around 2-300? |
| 13:09.28 | Dougie187 | ionno |
| 13:09.32 | Dougie187 | i haven't heard anything |
| 13:09.39 | Dougie187 | but most of HTC's devices are around that. |
| 13:09.45 | Dougie187 | i would hope its around 200 though |
| 13:09.51 | Dougie187 | since the touch diamond is 250. |
| 13:10.03 | Dougie187 | but i guess it is mission some features that the dream has. |
| 13:11.18 | yakischloba | man waking up this early fucks with me |
| 13:11.28 | yakischloba | i do shit like try to put my phone in the microwave instead of my breakfast burrito |
| 13:12.39 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 13:12.39 | Dougie187 | i tried to put toothpaste on my hand this morning. |
| 13:12.43 | yakischloba | nice. i havent done that one yet |
| 13:12.43 | yakischloba | any day now.. |
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| 13:13.38 | Dougie187 | at least you haven't actually microwaved your phone yet though. |
| 13:14.15 | yakischloba | yeah. i was pretty damn close |
| 13:14.28 | yakischloba | dialing in the time when i realized i had the burrito in my hand |
| 13:14.36 | yakischloba | "so what the fuck is in the microwave?" |
| 13:14.40 | zhobbs | lol |
| 13:15.04 | Dougie187 | it would have been funny if you smashed the burrito in your face thinking it was the phone and you were making a call. |
| 13:15.08 | yakischloba | heh |
| 13:16.13 | Dougie187 | though, it would suck if you had already cooked it... |
| 13:17.17 | yakischloba | at least it was the work phone and not my personal phone |
| 13:17.53 | Dougie187 | true |
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| 13:19.44 | yakischloba | i have to carry it everywhere with me so sometimes i do funny stuff with it |
| 13:19.51 | yakischloba | ends up in strange places |
| 13:20.06 | Dougie187 | lol |
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| 14:35.52 | zhobbs | yeah, I want android on a Touch HD |
| 14:36.03 | Dougie187 | lol who doesnt. |
| 14:36.35 | Dougie187 | it would be rather cool. |
| 14:36.43 | Dougie187 | but we will see if it comes out like that. |
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| 14:39.21 | zhobbs | the touch hd has a similar chipset as the HTC dream...(Qualcomm MSM72XX), so maybe it'll be an easy port |
| 14:45.29 | loke__ | has there been any indications on what an off-the-shelf dream will cost? |
| 14:45.42 | loke__ | (without subscription) |
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| 14:59.58 | plusminus_ | just rumours |
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| 15:21.46 | nemik | sucks that all the new android phones are giant |
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| 15:43.24 | plusminus_ | smartphones not smallphones ;) |
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| 15:56.47 | rob-cs | hi everyone |
| 15:56.58 | zhobbs | hi |
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| 16:05.34 | plusminus_ | hi |
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| 17:02.32 | zhobbs | romainguy__: you ever worked with ActivityGroup? |
| 17:03.06 | zhobbs | I can't restart an activity after I do an LocalActivityManager.destroyActivity() on it |
| 17:08.17 | romainguy_ | no I never used it |
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| 18:10.00 | donomo | ive got Log.i("tag","msg here") in onPause,onResume,onStart,onCreate. yet i dont see anything in the eclipse console window when i run the app in the emulator. why is that? |
| 18:11.48 | umdk1d3 | donomo: it doesnt show up in the console window |
| 18:11.53 | umdk1d3 | it goes in the DDMS logcat window |
| 18:13.02 | donomo | ok i see the pulldown for 1. DDMS 2. Android. ive selected DDMS but still no log msgs |
| 18:13.11 | umdk1d3 | in DDMS is there a logcat window? |
| 18:13.19 | umdk1d3 | if its empty you might need to pick your emulator from the device list |
| 18:13.42 | umdk1d3 | *logcat tab |
| 18:13.53 | donomo | the console tab contains a DDMS header bar, then a blank white area below that. |
| 18:13.56 | jasonlee | just try adb logcat from the command line |
| 18:14.02 | jasonlee | DDMS is kinda weak anyway |
| 18:14.16 | donomo | is Log the prefered way to log status messages? |
| 18:14.24 | jasonlee | yes |
| 18:14.36 | umdk1d3 | status==pretty much only you and other developers will see it tho |
| 18:15.16 | donomo | jasonlee: i was hoping to stay in the warm fuzzy world of the IDE :) |
| 18:15.31 | umdk1d3 | donomo: imho the logcat in ddms works pretty well |
| 18:15.35 | umdk1d3 | and its color coded |
| 18:15.53 | donomo | umdk1d3: im not seeing the 'device list' |
| 18:16.01 | umdk1d3 | donomo: is this ddms in eclipse? |
| 18:16.13 | donomo | adb logcat gives some intereting info but nothing from my app :( |
| 18:16.20 | donomo | umdk1d3: yes if i understand you correctly |
| 18:17.52 | donomo | umdk1d3: the window looks like this: http://donpark.org/albums/misc/eclipse-android.png |
| 18:18.02 | umdk1d3 | OH LOL |
| 18:18.03 | umdk1d3 | okay |
| 18:18.13 | umdk1d3 | up in the upper right where it says "Java" button |
| 18:18.17 | umdk1d3 | right click and add DDMS layout |
| 18:18.35 | umdk1d3 | or wait its not a right click |
| 18:18.40 | umdk1d3 | its just the "plus" icon up there |
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| 18:19.03 | umdk1d3 | also donomo youre probably getting errors because your not calling through to super.onStart() etc |
| 18:19.05 | donomo | yeah now that i know its an eclipse perspective |
| 18:19.23 | donomo | wow, look at all those control panels. |
| 18:19.23 | umdk1d3 | but those should show up in the logcat view under the ddms perspective |
| 18:20.30 | donomo | umdk1d3: ok thanks for the help. i think this will get me back on track |
| 18:20.38 | umdk1d3 | cool :) |
| 18:23.04 | jasonlee | DDMS doesn't let you filter out stuff as well as the command line stuff does.. or at least, it didn't last time i tried.. |
| 18:24.35 | romainguy_ | it definitely does |
| 18:24.51 | donomo | i see the log msgs now. woot. |
| 18:25.27 | jasonlee | romainguy: so on the command line i can do this : adb SomeLabel:* *:S |
| 18:25.43 | jasonlee | romainguy: can i do that from DDMS? |
| 18:26.08 | donomo | it would be nice to filter out the dalvikvm messages |
| 18:26.30 | jasonlee | donomo: right, that's what i do on the command line.. |
| 18:26.42 | fadden_ | sighs |
| 18:30.37 | umdk1d3 | jasonlee: yep you can add filters, just hit the green + arrow on the logcat window |
| 18:31.03 | umdk1d3 | filters by any combination of logtag, pid, and log level |
| 18:31.17 | jasonlee | umdk1d3 : nice, didn't know that.. |
| 18:31.30 | donomo | its an inclusive filter instead of exclusive filter |
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| 18:32.07 | donomo | jasonlee: then you can filter that with more detail on the Filter: ____ field below the log window |
| 18:34.45 | donomo | wishing he had an external monitor to dedicate to the emulator |
| 18:35.57 | donomo | does it seem like there is more interest in android development since t-mobile's annoucement of a handset in Oct or Nov? |
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| 19:04.30 | km- | woo hoo @engadget |
| 19:04.47 | km- | I'm confused. Is Sep 23rd just the announcement date or the actual hardware-will-be-available date? |
| 19:05.23 | km- | I'm assuming it's just the announcement date but obviously would be happy to walk out of the store with it on 9/23 ;) |
| 19:12.17 | rob-cs | Announcment = sept 23rd, Launch = oct 20th |
| 19:12.18 | rob-cs | http://phandroid.com/2008/09/16/htc-dream-october-20th/ |
| 19:12.29 | rob-cs | of course, nothing is set in stone but thats what i would expect |
| 19:12.42 | rob-cs | i really want to know what the commercials will look like |
| 19:12.44 | rob-cs | hehe |
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| 19:36.02 | Dougie187 | so.. next tuesday huh? |
| 19:36.06 | Dougie187 | thats pretty cool. |
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| 19:59.41 | acemoo | when following this guide http://code.google.com/android/intro/installing.html#installingplugin im getting the following error when clicking apply after restarting {[2008-09-16 21:54:59 - adb]Failed to get the adb version: Cannot run program "/home/acemo/development/android/android-sdk-linux_x86-0.9_beta/tools/adb": java.io.IOException: error=13, Permission denied} what can be the problem? |
| 20:08.21 | rob-cs | OFFICIAL T-MOBILE/GOOGLE EVENT: http://phandroid.com/2008/09/16/breaking-t-mobiledream-live-event-in-nyc/ |
| 20:08.33 | umdk1d3 | yay! |
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| 20:11.44 | rob-cs | thats freakin BALLIN |
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| 20:12.26 | yakischloba | interesting. |
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| 20:23.43 | plusminus_ | hm, new york is just 300miles |
| 20:24.15 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:24.23 | Dougie187 | you can always walk there. |
| 20:25.46 | plusminus_ | not if I still would be in germany |
| 20:25.54 | Dougie187 | you could try. |
| 20:25.58 | Dougie187 | just swim across the ocean. |
| 20:26.28 | plusminus_ | that image says "invitation": http://phandroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/tmobile-event.jpg |
| 20:27.04 | plusminus_ | and it was displayed from within the emulator... |
| 20:28.22 | acemoo | when following this guide http://code.google.com/android/intro/installing.html#installingplugin im getting the following error when clicking apply after restarting {[2008-09-16 21:54:59 - adb]Failed to get the adb version: Cannot run program "/home/acemo/development/android/android-sdk-linux_x86-0.9_beta/tools/adb": java.io.IOException: error=13, Permission denied} what can be the problem? |
| 20:29.01 | plusminus_ | chmod ?!?! |
| 20:29.46 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:29.52 | Dougie187 | the obvious solution screams chmod. |
| 20:30.09 | acemoo | but i do have rights to view and modify content.. |
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| 20:48.07 | plusminus_ | did they change the screenshot ...? http://phandroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/tmobile-event1.jpg |
| 20:49.55 | plusminus_ | the middle of the lower right box looks modified.... a bit blurry, like a fake o_O |
| 20:50.09 | rob-cs | plusminus |
| 20:50.10 | umdk1d3 | true |
| 20:50.11 | rob-cs | that was me |
| 20:50.17 | umdk1d3 | they might have erased the name |
| 20:50.19 | umdk1d3 | on the invite |
| 20:50.21 | rob-cs | trigatch4 |
| 20:50.26 | rob-cs | it had an address on there |
| 20:50.47 | rob-cs | i didn't want crazy idiots to roll up thinking it was free to the public and then get blamed on the interwebz |
| 20:50.49 | rob-cs | haha |
| 20:51.04 | umdk1d3 | lol true |
| 20:51.06 | plusminus_ | ah ok |
| 20:51.08 | umdk1d3 | however, there is still a map ;) |
| 20:51.15 | rob-cs | dangit |
| 20:51.20 | umdk1d3 | :P |
| 20:51.25 | plusminus_ | rob-cs: you are from phandroid? |
| 20:51.34 | rob-cs | yeah, im usually trigatch4 on here |
| 20:51.34 | umdk1d3 | and if anything, we know that android fans are hardcore enough to decode tha tmap |
| 20:51.39 | umdk1d3 | ah |
| 20:51.39 | rob-cs | somehow my default name got changed |
| 20:51.46 | plusminus_ | where did you get the screen from? |
| 20:51.46 | umdk1d3 | rob-cs: did you get the invite personally then? |
| 20:51.53 | rob-cs | yeah they sent me an email |
| 20:51.54 | plusminus_ | umdk1d3: yeah..? |
| 20:51.54 | umdk1d3 | plusminus_: its just branding on the invite |
| 20:52.08 | plusminus_ | damn |
| 20:52.14 | umdk1d3 | its not really "in" the emulator :P |
| 20:52.27 | plusminus_ | damn i got to go hom eright now, check my mail !! |
| 20:52.40 | plusminus_ | *excited* |
| 20:52.41 | umdk1d3 | lol |
| 20:52.59 | umdk1d3 | the small print seems like its just for the press/analyusts |
| 20:53.03 | umdk1d3 | not developers at all :/ |
| 20:53.14 | umdk1d3 | but with press im sure we will get plenty of highres pics of whatever they show off |
| 20:53.20 | plusminus_ | i hope they did nto forget anddev :( |
| 20:54.11 | umdk1d3 | the invite looks electoronic, not sure if there was a paper one mailed |
| 20:54.28 | umdk1d3 | darn it, and its non transferrable |
| 20:55.02 | umdk1d3 | its interesting that the google logo isnt very prominent (or present at all) |
| 20:55.23 | umdk1d3 | "other company executives" lol |
| 20:55.28 | umdk1d3 | theyu still havent named the handset manuf |
| 20:55.40 | rob-cs | plus minus you just scared me into deleting the map now too |
| 20:55.43 | rob-cs | haha |
| 20:55.51 | umdk1d3 | dont worry ive got it archived ^.^ |
| 20:56.04 | umdk1d3 | someone said it was in new york right? |
| 20:56.31 | umdk1d3 | rob-cs: LOL you should put in ANOTHER map totally in a diff locaion |
| 20:56.32 | umdk1d3 | :P |
| 20:56.46 | rob-cs | hahaha |
| 20:57.00 | rob-cs | make it a "treasure hunt" to find the press release |
| 20:57.09 | plusminus_ | rob-cs: I didn"t I had just the link to phandroid |
| 20:57.22 | plusminus_ | because I don't have my ftp data here |
| 20:57.36 | rob-cs | not sure i understand? |
| 20:57.49 | plusminus_ | rob-csplus minus you just scared me into deleting the map now too |
| 20:58.07 | plusminus_ | but i"ve had a browser window open :-D |
| 20:58.13 | plusminus_ | saved it ;) |
| 20:58.22 | rob-cs | uhoh |
| 20:58.34 | plusminus_ | won't make it public |
| 20:58.36 | plusminus_ | ;-P |
| 20:58.38 | rob-cs | don't make me sic a robot on you |
| 20:59.01 | plusminus_ | g2g now, heck my mail. Wish me luck |
| 20:59.06 | plusminus_ | bye |
| 20:59.07 | rob-cs | goodluck |
| 21:02.20 | umdk1d3 | this looks like roughly the right neighborhood 40.759578,-73.957686 |
| 21:02.36 | umdk1d3 | but imagery doesnt line up exactly, might be an older version of maps |
| 21:21.53 | kingkung | hello |
| 21:21.54 | kingkung | ? |
| 21:22.18 | kingkung | does anybody know if Android stores SMS messages in a content provider? |
| 21:22.46 | kingkung | I have the CONTENT_URI for the SMS inbox, but it doesn't seem to have any rows/columns |
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| 21:23.23 | kingkung | hey plusminus |
| 21:23.25 | kingkung | are u there? |
| 21:24.28 | plusminus_ | yes |
| 21:26.52 | plusminus_ | i have not been invited to the announcement-event ... |
| 21:27.16 | kingkung | hello |
| 21:27.17 | kingkung | oh |
| 21:27.42 | unix_lappy | are they going to release it on the 23rd to shelves or release it to market the 23rd (aka tell people it's coming) |
| 21:28.12 | plusminus_ | just announce it (very probably) |
| 21:29.09 | kingkung | hey plusminus |
| 21:29.12 | kingkung | i had a question about SMSs |
| 21:29.41 | kingkung | first of all, does android automatically store incoming SMSs in a contentprovider? |
| 21:30.16 | kingkung | i know there's a content_uri for the SMS inbox, but it seems to be blank (no headers even) |
| 21:31.09 | plusminus_ | yes it stores |
| 21:31.28 | plusminus_ | there is one but if i remember right, the doc doesn't show it |
| 21:31.52 | kingkung | i'm just using Inbox.CONTENT_URI |
| 21:31.57 | kingkung | programatically |
| 21:32.07 | plusminus_ | yeah thats it |
| 21:32.24 | kingkung | but i'm trying to print the column headers / rows and nothing prints out |
| 21:32.55 | plusminus_ | final int messageBodyColumn = c.getColumnIndexOrThrow(Telephony.Sms.BODY); |
| 21:33.03 | plusminus_ | final String messageBody = c.getString(messageBodyColumn); |
| 21:33.09 | plusminus_ | works fine for me |
| 21:33.36 | kingkung | strange, okay i'll try that |
| 21:33.37 | kingkung | also |
| 21:33.53 | kingkung | i downloaded the SMSReceiver tut from anddev |
| 21:34.16 | kingkung | in there, u launch the main activity from an SMS wakeup |
| 21:34.19 | plusminus_ | where c is: |
| 21:34.28 | plusminus_ | final Cursor c = getContentResolver().query(Telephony.Sms.Inbox.CONTENT_URI, null, null, null, null); |
| 21:34.56 | kingkung | but what if the application is already launched? |
| 21:35.37 | kingkung | i need my SMSReceiver to know not to launch my application if it is already open; just process the SMS accordingly |
| 21:35.51 | kingkung | else, launch the app |
| 21:39.26 | plusminus_ | never had to do such, sorry |
| 21:39.34 | plusminus_ | just try what happens |
| 21:39.50 | kingkung | okay, np |
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| 21:50.08 | plusminus_ | I feel a bit fuck*d |
| 21:54.21 | plusminus_ | anyone ever heard of 'androidauthority.com' ? |
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| 21:56.38 | plusminus_ | pissed |
| 21:56.47 | plusminus_ | ... mood |
| 21:57.34 | qvark | hi, is anybody using the Theme.Light in his application? |
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| 22:12.15 | donomo | woot. got a background service to log "hello" every 5 seconds. |
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| 22:23.50 | acemoo | getting the error R.layout.main cannot be resolved right after making a new project, what am i doing wrong? o.o |
| 22:24.20 | plusminus_ | clean your project and check if the R.java appear |
| 22:25.17 | acemoo | the error does reappear |
| 22:25.30 | plusminus_ | what does the R:java contain? |
| 22:26.23 | acemoo | i dont have R.java.. only have the android jar file wich cointains the .class files |
| 22:26.38 | xavd_ | acemoo: open the console view and see the ouput of the android console |
| 22:26.58 | acemoo | xavd_: empty |
| 22:27.44 | xavd_ | go to the preferences and under Android > build switch to verbose output |
| 22:27.54 | xavd_ | then Project > Clean to force a rebuild |
| 22:28.31 | plusminus_ | acemoo: the R.java should appear in right within your project |
| 22:30.20 | acemoo | xavd_: this is the output after rebuilding http://rafb.net/p/zyj8Lv91.html |
| 22:31.06 | xavd_ | what's in the Eclipse "Problems" view? |
| 22:34.02 | acemoo | DescriptionResourcePathLocationType |
| 22:34.02 | acemoo | R.layout.main cannot be resolvedcow.javacow/src/cow/cowline 12Java Problem |
| 22:34.31 | xavd_ | that's it? |
| 22:34.50 | acemoo | yup |
| 22:35.13 | xavd_ | well that's strange |
| 22:35.42 | xavd_ | can you execute /home/acemo/development/android/android-sdk-linux_x86-0.9_beta/tools/aapt from a shell? |
| 22:36.10 | acemoo | yup |
| 22:36.49 | xavd_ | can you execute the full line from your console output? |
| 22:36.54 | xavd_ | (line 5) |
| 22:38.04 | acemoo | http://rafb.net/p/V8SJH047.html |
| 22:38.45 | xavd_ | did that create the R class? It's really strange that output wasn't in the console |
| 22:39.24 | acemoo | no |
| 22:39.45 | acemoo | what is the R class anyways? |
| 22:40.46 | xavd_ | it contains id to access resources in your code |
| 22:40.56 | xavd_ | it's created automatically from the content of the res/ folder |
| 22:41.20 | acemoo | i see |
| 22:42.07 | xavd_ | the aapt output looks complete. when I use it, it does not output anything else (but the R class is created) |
| 22:42.40 | acemoo | okay.. time for the ultimate solution... |
| 22:42.48 | acemoo | * kicks computer |
| 22:43.57 | xavd_ | there's no strange permission on the folder in which the R class would be created? |
| 22:44.07 | xavd_ | (under <project>/src/package/ |
| 22:44.15 | xavd_ | where package is the package declared in the manifest |
| 22:44.28 | acemoo | nope.. just normal folder.. read+write rights for myself, read only for others |
| 22:47.11 | xavd_ | what's your distrib? |
| 22:47.33 | acemoo | kubuntu |
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| 22:50.14 | romainguy_ | umdk1d3: how was the interview? :) |
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| 22:50.53 | xavd_ | acemoo: do you have ant installed? |
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| 22:52.11 | acemoo | nope.. lemme install |
| 22:53.12 | acemoo | that seems to work.. error is gone =) |
| 22:53.32 | acemoo | thanks alot |
| 22:53.34 | xavd_ | huh? |
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| 22:54.01 | xavd_ | I didn't ask you about it to fix the error but to try another way of figuring out what the problem was |
| 22:54.06 | xavd_ | but if it works... |
| 22:54.12 | acemoo | lol? okay.. |
| 22:55.00 | xavd_ | aapt is no way uses ant. so I don't see how it could have fixed your issue |
| 22:57.16 | acemoo | if it works it works so im happy :p |
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