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| 22:54.54 | *** topic/#android is BEHOLD - http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/09/announcing-android-10-sdk-release-1.html |
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| 23:12.38 | dmoffett | Has anyone seen a complete list of the apps that Google provides as a default? |
| 23:12.45 | dmoffett | on the G1 phone. |
| 23:15.03 | erus` | not i |
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| 23:24.05 | umdk1d3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.46 | umdk1d3 | youtube, gmail, im, calendar |
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| 23:28.58 | umdk1d3 | myfavs |
| 23:30.08 | umdk1d3 | looks like theres a normal "mail" clieint besides gmail |
| 23:30.18 | umdk1d3 | amazon mp3 store |
| 23:32.05 | unix_infidel | i wonder if microsoft will put out a exchange client. |
| 23:32.29 | umdk1d3 | why? they would let a partner prolly |
| 23:33.05 | unix_infidel | well obviously there's demand for it. someone's going to do it, might as well be them. |
| 23:33.20 | umdk1d3 | personally i think they might ignore it |
| 23:33.21 | clyde | so is there no way to sync to outlook on my desktop? |
| 23:33.27 | umdk1d3 | if they create a client, they admit that its serious competition |
| 23:33.44 | jimmygoon | what is myfavs? |
| 23:33.51 | umdk1d3 | jimmygoon: its a tmobiel thing i guess |
| 23:33.56 | unix_infidel | umdk1d3: obviously there's someone looking into it. |
| 23:34.15 | unix_infidel | at microsoft, whether they do it is the question. |
| 23:36.23 | jasta | microsoft's internal policy is to ignore android |
| 23:36.24 | jjshoe | clyde apparently if you don't mind you can through gmail, which is crappy if you ask me |
| 23:36.42 | jasta | i know this because i know several members of the windows mobile team :) |
| 23:36.57 | yakischloba | jasta: gl to them ;) |
| 23:37.16 | jasta | well i dont know, i dont think the G1 is gonna light up like the iPhone did |
| 23:37.22 | jasta | maybe a slow onslaught |
| 23:37.31 | erus` | .NET compact framework is kinda cool tho |
| 23:37.43 | jasta | erus`: you clearly haven't actually used it. |
| 23:38.00 | clyde | lol |
| 23:38.07 | erus` | i actauly have tho |
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| 23:38.19 | erus` | even managed directX mobile |
| 23:38.31 | jasta | i hated .net cf. it's useless. |
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| 23:38.35 | fadden | Try it on WinCE. |
| 23:38.42 | yakischloba | honestly how often does your irc client crash.. |
| 23:38.45 | erus` | jasta why? |
| 23:38.45 | jasta | the widget toolkit is pathetic |
| 23:38.47 | jasta | layout is pathetic |
| 23:39.05 | jasta | trying to support multiple types of devices is unfathomably difficult. |
| 23:39.27 | jimmygoon | you mean like android seeks to do :) |
| 23:39.48 | jasta | jimmygoon: android already is good at that. |
| 23:42.10 | unix_infidel | jasta: lol, that's been the microsoft way. |
| 23:42.16 | clyde | well theoretically |
| 23:42.26 | unix_infidel | stretch yourself out reaaaaally thin and support as many manuf as possible. |
| 23:42.38 | unix_infidel | even if it means poor quality and shaky support. |
| 23:42.57 | jimmygoon | Android is going to have a problem if there is a split where only some apps run on certain devices, etc |
| 23:43.21 | unix_infidel | jimmygoon: that's expected. |
| 23:43.24 | jasta | jimmygoon: no, it's not. |
| 23:43.40 | jimmygoon | :/ hm |
| 23:43.44 | jasta | android has well abstracted functionality that may not be available, and changing hardware parameters. |
| 23:43.53 | jasta | this is evident all over the platform. |
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| 23:45.13 | jimmygoon | well, yeah, I guess I kinda knew that. I just am thinking of those who get a g1, and then are left behind when the next android phone comes out, has a better proc, and then everyone develops for it... and leaves the g1 behind |
| 23:45.34 | unix_infidel | have they released an unlocked price for the g1? |
| 23:45.41 | erus` | im gonna wait awile before jumping on board. but i will |
| 23:45.56 | erus` | let all the teething problems get sorted |
| 23:45.57 | yakischloba | jimmygoon: in all likelyhood, the next android phone won't have a whole lot of anything that this one doesn't have |
| 23:46.22 | jasta | erus`: if this platform is any good, that "teething" phase will never end. |
| 23:46.39 | jimmygoon | unix_infidel, I've heard/read 400 |
| 23:46.55 | jasta | for instance, Windows Mobile is relatively stable now, with few changes from release to release. It subsequently is aging and out of touch. |
| 23:47.01 | jasta | Palm is the same. |
| 23:47.04 | jimmygoon | jasta, won't that separate it from the iphone? |
| 23:47.05 | jasta | and recently, Blackberry. |
| 23:47.10 | jjshoe | unix_infidel yes. |
| 23:47.19 | jasta | android is setting up to be a progressive, long term strategy. very unlikely its competitors. |
| 23:47.23 | jasta | so, the "teething" phase will be constant. |
| 23:47.56 | jimmygoon | curses the wifi that keeps going out |
| 23:48.10 | jasta | but that's not to say that it must be painful for developers |
| 23:48.16 | erus` | anyone know if the G1 has 3d hardware or fast software driver? |
| 23:48.27 | jasta | there are strategies to design your system to be growable and flexible as parameters change |
| 23:48.31 | jasta | hopefully google has done that |
| 23:48.38 | jasta | its my opinion that they have, but we'll see :) |
| 23:49.09 | jasta | good Linux distributions deal with this daily. the platform is very organic. |
| 23:49.15 | erus` | and when are they gonna release source for that jake port (quake) ? :) |
| 23:49.42 | jasta | you mean that mpeg they watch of quake rendered at the android resolution? :) |
| 23:50.19 | jasta | bbl, heading home |
| 23:50.19 | jjshoe | jasta :D |
| 23:50.25 | erus` | they would have done crysis if it was a video :) |
| 23:50.54 | jasta | yakischloba: woo, 99 looks nice right now ;) |
| 23:51.15 | jimmygoon | surely that wasn't really a video... was it? |
| 23:51.39 | yakischloba | jasta: hah. I still manage to avoid traffic at my new job. I take Airport way to the south end of boeing field, then cut over to east marginal. pretty quiet. |
| 23:52.37 | erus` | is inspired to remake crysis in java now |
| 23:52.54 | f00f- | oh you're also a seattler yaki? |
| 23:53.38 | yakischloba | yeah |
| 23:55.24 | yakischloba | jasta and I are frequently in very close proximity but haven't gotten around to hanging out yet |
| 23:59.37 | f00f- | ah ok |