| 00:00.10 | jasta | or rather, not without making a new system image, which locked phones certainly can't do |
| 00:00.10 | chouman82 | oh so i can't replace the incoming call screen then? |
| 00:00.19 | jasta | romain mentioned some concessions they had to make for 1.0 not being as flexible as they originally wanted |
| 00:00.27 | f00f- | ok, but romain did say they published the Home source code |
| 00:00.27 | f00f- | ah ok |
| 00:00.32 | jasta | chouman82: that is my understanding yes. |
| 00:00.48 | chouman82 | but i can replace the dialing screen though |
| 00:00.54 | jasta | yes. |
| 00:01.03 | chouman82 | got it |
| 00:01.05 | chouman82 | well |
| 00:01.07 | chouman82 | too bad |
| 00:01.14 | jasta | again, that is my understanding. you might want to find a more authoritative source to ask before you abandon your project |
| 00:01.30 | chouman82 | well that's just a small part |
| 00:01.36 | chouman82 | but it would be cool if i can do it |
| 00:01.48 | kingkung | we're not abandoning our project don't worry :) |
| 00:01.59 | kingkung | but f00f do you know where the list of system services are? |
| 00:02.03 | kingkung | located |
| 00:02.20 | jasta | you can find all of the ones you can interact with in Context. |
| 00:02.27 | jasta | getSystemService() documentation will point you to the list, I think. |
| 00:02.31 | donomo | jasta: i would trust your 'understanding' more than some google engineers' 'facts'. :) |
| 00:03.18 | donomo | (nothing against google engineers, im just sayin :) |
| 00:04.07 | jasta | kingkung: what is your project if you dont mind disclosing? |
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| 00:07.40 | kingkung | we're doing a next-gen address book |
| 00:09.50 | jjshoe | if you want it to be next gen let me add my own key/value pairs :D |
| 00:10.13 | kingkung | huh? |
| 00:10.22 | jjshoe | windows mobile shows you 87 places you can enter info |
| 00:10.30 | jjshoe | let me enter info, and mark what type it is |
| 00:10.32 | jjshoe | and only show those |
| 00:10.37 | jjshoe | don't show me 85 blank possible entries |
| 00:10.40 | kingkung | ah |
| 00:10.41 | kingkung | okay |
| 00:10.50 | jjshoe | but, additionally, if you don't have a key defined that I want, I should be able to create it |
| 00:10.50 | kingkung | what customized types would you enter? |
| 00:10.54 | jjshoe | like for ex. Smells |
| 00:11.05 | kingkung | ha |
| 00:11.06 | kingkung | sure |
| 00:11.15 | jjshoe | kingkung minor, but I've had uses for it :D |
| 00:11.25 | kingkung | we will think about that :) |
| 00:11.31 | jjshoe | for ex. if I'm at a buisness event, and I want to put in where we met |
| 00:11.37 | kingkung | that's actually very easy to implement |
| 00:11.39 | kingkung | oh ic |
| 00:11.52 | kingkung | like a Notes field |
| 00:11.58 | kingkung | but self-defined |
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| 00:12.06 | jjshoe | right |
| 00:12.08 | jjshoe | exactly |
| 00:12.29 | jjshoe | like, think of all the im protocols out there, etc. |
| 00:13.30 | f00f- | allow third party apps to contribute info and to access |
| 00:13.57 | jjshoe | f00f- that too |
| 00:14.01 | f00f- | i daresay the platform/default contact provider MUST support it |
| 00:14.47 | jjshoe | think ldap :P |
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| 00:18.37 | donomo | what part of the project directory tree does the .aidl file go? |
| 00:22.22 | gdsx | donomo: [unhelpful] inside |
| 00:23.40 | donomo | heehee |
| 00:24.06 | xavd | donomo: in the source tree. Your aidl file should be starting by "package com.foo.project..." it should be in the matching package folder |
| 00:25.29 | donomo | ah ok |
| 00:29.46 | donomo | cool. i made KlassService.aidl and eclipse is running the auto-generator to make KlassService.java |
| 00:31.58 | donomo | writing java in eclipse rockorz really hard :) |
| 00:44.35 | ttuttle | SanMehat: ping |
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| 01:32.00 | csaunders322 | hello |
| 01:32.05 | ttuttle | csaunders322: hello |
| 01:32.28 | csaunders322 | I'm trying to learn how to use android, and my Hello, Android app will not work. |
| 01:32.36 | ttuttle | csaunders322: What seems to be the problem? |
| 01:32.50 | csaunders322 | The emulator simply boots up and does not display the text |
| 01:32.57 | ttuttle | csaunders322: Did you open the app? |
| 01:33.07 | csaunders322 | where do they get placed? |
| 01:33.15 | ttuttle | csaunders322: In the home screen, hopefully? |
| 01:33.25 | ttuttle | You might need to adb push your app to the emulator. |
| 01:33.32 | csaunders322 | hmm |
| 01:33.54 | ttuttle | Honestly I'm not quite familiar with how third-party devs get apps on the device, as I've always been building as part of the OS image ;-) |
| 01:34.15 | csaunders322 | that may be it actually... I hope it is o_O |
| 01:34.27 | ttuttle | csaunders322: If you can find an .apk, adb push it. |
| 01:34.34 | ttuttle | Er, adb -e push. |
| 01:38.08 | csaunders322 | ahhh |
| 01:38.13 | csaunders322 | adb install :D |
| 01:38.16 | ttuttle | Oh, yeah. |
| 01:38.23 | ttuttle | forgot, adb push expects lax filesystem permissions. |
| 01:38.56 | csaunders322 | I'm quite interested in this platform... at first though, just getting the hello world seemed kinda tricky |
| 01:39.21 | ttuttle | Yeah, the learning curve is a little high, but it flattens out once you've got the toolchain set up, as it's just Java, except with an awesome API. |
| 01:39.33 | wastrel | i am installing eclipse |
| 01:40.00 | ttuttle | wastrel: A sad but common situation. |
| 01:40.15 | wastrel | ttuttle: you prefer not to use an ide? |
| 01:40.18 | ttuttle | wastrel: Nope. |
| 01:40.24 | wastrel | vi and some build scripts |
| 01:40.27 | ttuttle | wastrel: I hacked on Android for a summer, and never touched an editor except vim. |
| 01:40.29 | ttuttle | wastrel: Yep! |
| 01:40.55 | wastrel | well i would go that route but i am a novice developer and think an ide would be helpful |
| 01:41.05 | ttuttle | wastrel: Oh, IDEs are helpful. |
| 01:41.15 | ttuttle | wastrel: But make sure you have an idea of what's going on under the hood. |
| 01:41.17 | wastrel | i am sure i will miss vi |
| 01:41.20 | ttuttle | wastrel: Heh. |
| 01:41.24 | wastrel | i hate using GUI editors |
| 01:41.30 | wastrel | takes so long to move around the file |
| 01:41.30 | ttuttle | wastrel: You can always use vi to edit your Java files, and then just use Eclipse for the Android tools. |
| 01:41.52 | wastrel | hrm i'd lose the code inspection and function lookup stuff i'm hoping is going to make me less useless |
| 01:42.01 | ttuttle | Oh, true. |
| 01:42.04 | csaunders322 | I used to hate IDE's as well... but once you get used to how they work, you barely have to move your hands from the keyboard |
| 01:42.52 | csaunders322 | the only complaint I have about eclipse though is the large memory foot-print |
| 01:43.17 | ttuttle | csaunders322: Yeah. |
| 01:43.20 | ttuttle | csaunders322: And it takes ages to start. |
| 01:43.56 | csaunders322 | yep |
| 01:44.16 | csaunders322 | where I work we use Eclipse, combine that with tomcat and boom, all your memory is gone :( |
| 01:45.05 | wastrel | we have a lot of java developers at work |
| 01:45.13 | wastrel | they have 4gb minimum of rams |
| 01:45.36 | wastrel | they use eclipse and some use tomcat poor dears |
| 01:45.48 | ttuttle | wastrel: Ouch. |
| 01:45.55 | csaunders322 | haha! I wish we had that, only have 2 gigs. Which seems like enough, but for an enterprise app its really bad |
| 01:46.15 | wastrel | some of them have to run eclipse in emulation heh |
| 01:46.21 | wastrel | vmware, eclipse, ie |
| 01:46.27 | wastrel | doing web development/testing |
| 01:46.35 | csaunders322 | yeah |
| 01:56.07 | csaunders322 | part |
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| 02:25.08 | Adamant | Eclipse is pretty awful. |
| 02:25.21 | Adamant | I think it also has a tendency toward memory leaks |
| 02:25.31 | wastrel | well it is written in java |
| 02:25.42 | Adamant | you can be doing nothing with it and it's memory consumption will grow significantly |
| 02:26.07 | Adamant | wastrel: it's not so much the software as the memory leaks |
| 02:26.23 | Adamant | Eclipse is a pretty good IDE, but the memory leaks are annoying |
| 02:26.44 | Adamant | and you can do memory leaks in pretty much any language, sadly. |
| 02:33.59 | unix_infidel | question is how easy is it to write bad java. |
| 02:34.15 | dmoffett | Eclipse has worked pretty well for me on OSX. I prefer emacs etc but some of the eclipse features have been addictive. Real time savers. I have not noticed Eclipse to be especially slow. My machine has 3gigs of ram which is pretty healthy. I am kind of new to Eclipse though. |
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| 02:35.07 | dmoffett | The easiest way to make a mess in almost any language is start using lots of threads. :-) |
| 02:35.12 | unix_infidel | dmoffett: well i'd wager OS X has better memory management than XP anyday. |
| 02:35.45 | unix_infidel | (and I dont have a preference either way) |
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| 02:35.48 | dmoffett | XP? Shame on you. :-) |
| 02:36.25 | wastrel | why not just use winmo if you love windows so much |
| 02:36.27 | wastrel | ;] |
| 02:38.56 | unix_infidel | 21:35 < unix_infidel> (and I dont have a preference either way) |
| 02:40.32 | Adamant | dmoffett: that happened to me on OS X. I only have 2gigs of RAM, I need to upgrade to 4gigs sometime. |
| 02:40.57 | unix_infidel | Adamant: most computers can really only use around 3GB. |
| 02:41.10 | dmoffett | Yeah I am goiing to add another 3Gigs soon. |
| 02:41.28 | Adamant | unix_infidel: it's an x86-64 running Leopard, it should have no problem with it |
| 02:41.40 | unix_infidel | ahh, good times. |
| 02:41.44 | dmoffett | I have not noticed a slow down with the current app but sometimes on an app I have not touched in while get paged out. |
| 02:41.53 | Adamant | I know WinXP is crippled that way on a regular x86 |
| 02:42.09 | unix_infidel | Adamant: desktop? |
| 02:42.21 | Adamant | laptop |
| 02:42.23 | Adamant | MBP |
| 02:42.28 | Adamant | unfortunately 4 gigs is the hard limit |
| 02:42.42 | Adamant | I'd love to put in 8 gigs if I could |
| 02:44.03 | wastrel | i have 3 gigs |
| 02:44.06 | wastrel | on my ubuntu |
| 02:44.17 | wastrel | i'd have to enable PAE for more than that or go to 64bit |
| 02:44.26 | wastrel | i think this laptop only does 4 total |
| 02:45.04 | unix_infidel | i would put more than 3GB on this thinkpad...but virtual machines cant thread the VM processes to more than one core. |
| 02:45.19 | unix_infidel | so any virtual machine i'd run would be a minimalist one anyway. |
| 02:45.56 | gdsx | notes that on Linux, a machine with 4 GB can only use ~3.2GB anyway (for a process) |
| 02:46.28 | gdsx | and probably ~3.2GB for all processes also (it should work that way, though I haven't thought through it) |
| 02:47.05 | unix_infidel | gdsx: right, most laptops have a 4GB limit (realistically) |
| 02:47.20 | wastrel | my wife's is 2 |
| 02:47.28 | unix_infidel | (newer, should've said) |
| 02:48.25 | illuminum | what does 3 megapixels translate to in resolution |
| 02:50.55 | benley | 2048x1536 |
| 02:50.58 | unix_infidel | illuminum: about 2048*1546 |
| 02:51.02 | unix_infidel | bah! |
| 02:51.54 | benley | cheated and just looked at a photo coming off of the phone instead of doing the math |
| 02:52.54 | unix_infidel | apparently, math is for chumps...apparently unix_infidel is a chump. |
| 02:53.07 | unix_infidel | ;-) |
| 02:55.16 | illuminum | i just placed an order for amazon and google stock. amazon is going to kill itunes. google is going to kill both apple and microsoft. that's my gut instinct. |
| 02:55.48 | unix_infidel | illuminum: use covestor for putting your money where your mouth is. |
| 02:55.54 | illuminum | there's no way companies that play the old paradigm divide-and-conquer proprietary game can save themselves from extinction |
| 02:56.41 | illuminum | checking out covestor, first time i've heard of it |
| 02:58.22 | illuminum | seriously -- just look at this screenshot: http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/23/amazon-6-million-drm-free-songs-on-t-mobile-g1/ |
| 02:58.34 | illuminum | does that not scream "itunes is dead" |
| 02:58.57 | Adamant | illuminum: actually no, it doesn't. |
| 02:59.04 | wastrel | can you buy itunes songs right from the iphone? |
| 02:59.09 | Adamant | yes. |
| 02:59.24 | wastrel | does it require wifi? |
| 02:59.25 | Adamant | people also still buy iPods and will continue to buy them |
| 02:59.31 | Adamant | wastrel: not sure |
| 02:59.38 | illuminum | amazon is going to establish a market leadership position very quickly, and its service value propositions and brand value propositions are going to solidify its state for a long time |
| 02:59.51 | wastrel | drm is bad |
| 02:59.59 | illuminum | adamant they will continue but that is myopic |
| 02:59.59 | benley | it's not like people are going to stop using itunes because this exists |
| 03:00.03 | illuminum | over time they won't |
| 03:00.05 | benley | amazonmp3 has been around for a long time already |
| 03:00.08 | illuminum | because vendor lock-in is bad |
| 03:00.13 | illuminum | and people will realize that sooner or later |
| 03:00.13 | benley | itunes has some drm-free stuff available |
| 03:00.20 | rufus5 | wow that amazon service looks nice |
| 03:00.23 | Adamant | I would be more interested as to Amazon's prospects with the Kindle and stuff like AWS |
| 03:00.36 | _avatar | benley: true, but amazon has more DRM free music, and its generally cheaper |
| 03:00.44 | illuminum | i think we'll see a lot of android apps that leverage amazon web services |
| 03:00.44 | benley | yeah, seems to be |
| 03:00.47 | wastrel | yeah it's nice that amazon has drm free music it's too bad their ebooks are drm'd |
| 03:00.53 | illuminum | and i think that amazon is going to take its kindle platform to the android too |
| 03:00.56 | benley | illuminum: that would be cool |
| 03:00.59 | benley | both of those |
| 03:01.01 | illuminum | amazon is going to be the #1 brand name on the android platform |
| 03:01.02 | Adamant | illuminum: I would be surprised |
| 03:01.02 | dmoffett | I use iTune to find music and then but it on Amazon. |
| 03:01.03 | illuminum | i guarantee it |
| 03:01.24 | illuminum | i'm studying amazon right now, I'm both an accountant and a gnu fan boy |
| 03:01.28 | Adamant | dmoffett: you'll do that until iTunes has all DRM-free music |
| 03:01.36 | Adamant | then there's no reason to use Amazon |
| 03:01.42 | wastrel | do you use gnucash? |
| 03:01.43 | dmoffett | You are right the is the real reason. |
| 03:02.00 | wastrel | i don't use itunes because i have linux |
| 03:02.05 | wastrel | also i don't listen to music |
| 03:02.25 | illuminum | adamant you are wrong 1000 times over |
| 03:02.31 | illuminum | but only time will prove who is right |
| 03:02.35 | illuminum | just mark my words |
| 03:02.47 | Adamant | right now the majors are trying to punish Apple by licensing DRM free stuff to other companies and trying to let other companies get more marketshare |
| 03:03.10 | Adamant | but if Apple can force or pressure the majors to also give them DRM free music |
| 03:03.20 | Adamant | why buy from Amazon? |
| 03:03.23 | illuminum | the world is flat adamant, any company that uses drm or closed systems is bound to fail |
| 03:03.23 | dmoffett | Still Apple has gained market share. |
| 03:03.37 | Adamant | illuminum: Amazon uses DRM for it's books |
| 03:03.56 | _avatar | Adamant: iTunes doesn't have variable pricing. ;) |
| 03:04.05 | Adamant | Apple can at least use the argument the majors have pushed it to use DRM |
| 03:04.20 | Adamant | Amazon built Kindle from the bottom up and it has DRM |
| 03:04.40 | wastrel | publishers want drm |
| 03:04.44 | illuminum | hmmm |
| 03:05.06 | illuminum | so the challenge is in convincing publishers to drop drm before open sharing kills them |
| 03:05.34 | illuminum | i think amazon as a company has its head in the right place but as you said the publishers/vendors are another issue |
| 03:07.08 | Adamant | also, drop the GNU fanboy stuff if you're going to be a investor. the truth is socially nasty business models make money all the time, otherwise "sin" stocks wouldn't do so well overall. You can not invest in companies that you think are evil, but don't assume their "evil" competitors won't eat their lunch. |
| 03:07.32 | illuminum | i think a lot of the infrastructure for the killer apps that will evolve on the android is going to be supported by amazon web-service/infrastructure |
| 03:07.44 | Adamant | illuminum: why not GAE? |
| 03:07.56 | Adamant | I'm sure Google will push that and even put hooks in for it? |
| 03:07.56 | wastrel | what's gae? |
| 03:07.59 | wastrel | ah |
| 03:08.04 | Adamant | Google App Engine |
| 03:08.14 | illuminum | that's where i feel you're wrong adamant |
| 03:08.28 | illuminum | i think we're simply in transition |
| 03:08.51 | illuminum | companies that used the lockout strategies before or trying desperately to salvage their markets |
| 03:09.08 | illuminum | but they will fail when open platforms hit the critical mass point where there is no reversal |
| 03:09.17 | illuminum | which is inevitable |
| 03:09.20 | Adamant | except Apple's stock price is doing great based on such a strategy. |
| 03:09.45 | illuminum | well what percentage of people still use windows--people are stupid but the inevitable will happen |
| 03:09.52 | illuminum | and it will happen sooner rather than later |
| 03:10.14 | wastrel | windows is bad |
| 03:10.20 | Adamant | the markets can stay "irrational" longer than you can stay solvent. |
| 03:11.27 | illuminum | ok well we'll see |
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| 03:14.30 | wastrel | i'm writing my first java program |
| 03:14.30 | illuminum | i hope they stay irrational long enough for me to invest more in IT companies that will dominate the next generation |
| 03:14.30 | wastrel | hello android :] |
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| 03:16.29 | muthu | jambalaga |
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| 03:21.28 | wastrel | i like the peole who complain that the android logo isn't humanoid enough to be classified an android |
| 03:21.32 | wastrel | it's a robo |
| 03:21.34 | wastrel | t |
| 03:21.42 | wastrel | hey my hello android worked! |
| 03:21.52 | wastrel | i can follow detailed instructions |
| 03:22.08 | gdsx | wastrel: did it break after it started working? ;o) |
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| 03:26.33 | muthu | i want my G1 |
| 03:32.24 | muthu | can someone fedex? |
| 03:36.30 | wastrel | you send me $1000 USD |
| 03:36.40 | wastrel | i will get you a g1 - might take a little while |
| 03:36.58 | muthu | if i have 1000D i'll buy it myself |
| 03:37.24 | muthu | hehe |
| 03:38.34 | ulmen | i can fedex you a g1 right now, but you have to pay upfront |
| 03:38.42 | muthu | sure |
| 03:38.57 | ulmen | also i can get you viagra and a longer penis |
| 03:39.02 | muthu | SHIT |
| 03:39.08 | muthu | get me that!!!! |
| 03:39.21 | muthu | who cares about G1? |
| 03:39.40 | muthu | ulmen: how many have you sold? |
| 03:39.41 | muthu | lol |
| 03:40.23 | ulmen | oh i just came up with the idea, so you could be customer #1 |
| 03:40.24 | DannyB | if you sent me 10000 |
| 03:40.28 | DannyB | i'll send you a g1 |
| 03:40.57 | muthu | shit, money talks |
| 03:42.02 | muthu | US is a flight away.. dudes.. chillax |
| 03:51.45 | ulmen | theese taxes i'd have to pay for importing one kind of kill the great euro->usd exchange rates |
| 03:53.00 | muthu | the wall st fiasco is scaring people away from banks |
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| 04:06.16 | ulmen | i hope the $400 unlocked offer is not a pain to actually purcase in the end, so i can get my grandpa to send me one |
| 04:06.30 | ulmen | somehow i never thought about importing one until you came up with it =) |
| 04:06.39 | muthu | yeah, its a good option |
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| 04:32.07 | umdk1d3 | mmmm |
| 04:32.13 | umdk1d3 | rolls into channel |
| 04:34.53 | ttuttle | umdk1d3: greetings |
| 04:35.42 | umdk1d3 | =D |
| 04:35.50 | umdk1d3 | reads up on android blogs |
| 04:36.14 | wastrel | $400 unlocked eh |
| 04:36.17 | wastrel | you could just use it as a pda |
| 04:37.07 | wastrel | palm tx is $300 new |
| 04:37.41 | donomo | wastrel: im seriously considering that. |
| 04:37.44 | donomo | wifi still works |
| 04:38.51 | ttuttle | The Palm TX should be cheaper. |
| 04:40.05 | ulmen | gsm would also work with any other carrier in the us, wouldn't it? |
| 04:40.42 | swetland | well any other gsm based carrier |
| 04:40.59 | swetland | not gonna get you very far on sprint, for example |
| 04:41.22 | muthu | if its unlocked, you can use any sim |
| 04:41.32 | swetland | note: G1 will do gprs/edge on ATT, but not 3G (different bands) |
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| 04:42.13 | wastrel | i'm on verizon right now. |
| 04:42.20 | summatusmentis | ugh |
| 04:42.28 | summatusmentis | is never going back to VZW |
| 04:48.28 | ttuttle | swetland: hey! |
| 04:48.40 | ttuttle | wastrel: oh, I'm sorry. |
| 04:49.35 | swetland | heya |
| 04:49.38 | swetland | how goes? |
| 04:49.42 | ttuttle | swetland: awesome |
| 04:49.53 | ttuttle | swetland: I'm taking operating systems. It's a lot of fun. |
| 04:51.34 | summatusmentis | I wish my school offered an operating systems course |
| 04:53.17 | wastrel | i should have been a cs major :p |
| 04:53.38 | muthu | i should have been a hollywood major! |
| 04:54.08 | summatusmentis | wastrel: what's your major? or what was your major? |
| 04:54.15 | wastrel | biology |
| 04:54.32 | summatusmentis | I guess my school does offer a generic systems course, so might be sort of the same thing |
| 04:54.36 | summatusmentis | wastrel: ah |
| 04:55.25 | umdk1d3 | muthu: i saw mary ann earlie today |
| 04:55.34 | umdk1d3 | had a question for ya ;) |
| 04:55.34 | muthu | where? |
| 04:55.41 | umdk1d3 | somewhere lol ;) |
| 04:55.45 | muthu | haha |
| 04:56.03 | umdk1d3 | but yea was wondering if you were doing anything special to get local store locations |
| 04:56.11 | umdk1d3 | or if it was just a single database somewhere |
| 04:56.32 | muthu | that's the challenging part.. |
| 04:56.50 | muthu | where to get content and how is still something i'm looking at |
| 04:56.57 | muthu | there's always google local |
| 04:57.19 | muthu | but not sure, if google TOS lets us use that info |
| 04:57.27 | muthu | commercially that is |
| 04:57.31 | umdk1d3 | :( |
| 04:57.40 | muthu | on the long run.. |
| 04:57.48 | muthu | the ideal thing would be to maintain your own db |
| 04:58.01 | muthu | so we don't run into legal issues |
| 04:58.38 | muthu | in the short run.. |
| 04:58.38 | muthu | planning to use google |
| 04:58.38 | umdk1d3 | okay cool |
| 04:58.47 | umdk1d3 | i ended up building my own db |
| 04:58.52 | muthu | that's the right thing |
| 04:58.56 | umdk1d3 | some of their stuff might work tho |
| 04:59.03 | umdk1d3 | "groceries near x,y" |
| 04:59.05 | muthu | yeah, mix n match |
| 04:59.15 | muthu | but generate content and put it in your db |
| 04:59.55 | muthu | umdk1d3: how come you lost to shopsavvy ;) |
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| 06:00.01 | monteslu | what's the difference between g1 black, and "with google(TM) black" ? |
| 06:00.09 | monteslu | about to order |
| 06:04.09 | tric | gdsx: thanks for asking and the reply. seems like the 1.0 emu has several bugs. :( |
| 06:05.13 | gdsx | tric: np |
| 06:05.20 | monteslu | anyone? If I don't order now, tmobile's site is likely to go tits up again |
| 06:09.12 | romainguy_ | monteslu: I have a black g1 |
| 06:09.17 | romainguy_ | it says "with Google" on the back |
| 06:09.24 | romainguy_ | so I have no idea what you're talking about :) |
| 06:10.48 | summatusmentis | romainguy_: I don't suppose you can say anything about the sprint device with android can you? |
| 06:10.54 | monteslu | romainguy_, there's two different black ones available on the tmobile site |
| 06:10.58 | summatusmentis | (slap me :)) |
| 06:11.04 | romainguy_ | summatusmentis: I honestly don't know anything about a Sprint Android device |
| 06:11.04 | monteslu | both are black, and only show the front of the phone |
| 06:11.13 | summatusmentis | romainguy_: haha, ok |
| 06:11.14 | monteslu | i guess the "with google" means the logo on the back? |
| 06:11.20 | romainguy_ | I guess |
| 06:12.10 | monteslu | you'd think they'd mention that somewhere |
| 06:12.21 | summatusmentis | romainguy_: I suppose as a dev, you only need a device, doesn't matter who it's with |
| 06:12.48 | muthu | i'll get google black |
| 06:13.13 | monteslu | muthu, I think so too. And just in case it means there's another feature, they cost the same :) |
| 06:13.22 | muthu | yeah |
| 06:13.33 | umdk1d3 | avail in 200% more colors than the iphone!! <OHSNAP> |
| 06:13.55 | summatusmentis | umdk1d3: uhh... no? |
| 06:13.57 | monteslu | yeah, even a zune matching color :) |
| 06:14.03 | summatusmentis | iPhone you can get in black and white? |
| 06:14.13 | umdk1d3 | orly? i didnt know they had more than one |
| 06:14.19 | f00f- | will they have it in brown *shudder* |
| 06:14.20 | monteslu | they have 3 |
| 06:14.27 | umdk1d3 | monteslu: its not the horrid zune brown tho |
| 06:14.35 | umdk1d3 | its more of a dark tan |
| 06:14.39 | summatusmentis | or, they're supposed to be able to get it in white |
| 06:14.46 | monteslu | black, brown, and "with google(TM) black" |
| 06:14.58 | monteslu | no white listed on the site right now |
| 06:15.13 | umdk1d3 | hmm the default activity background color isnt exactly #000 |
| 06:15.14 | monteslu | the brown looks like it has a white keyboard |
| 06:15.21 | umdk1d3 | that must be google(tm) black ;) |
| 06:15.43 | monteslu | cool, #111 is way cooler than #000 |
| 06:15.49 | monteslu | I've always said that |
| 06:15.54 | romainguy_ | umdk1d3: it's #ff191919 |
| 06:16.01 | tric | romainguy: are you _sure_ all retail devices have development support like adb access, or is yours maybe some cool pre retail google device? |
| 06:16.11 | romainguy_ | mine is a retail device |
| 06:16.20 | romainguy_ | but again, you're not root |
| 06:16.34 | monteslu | does anyone knoe if the SDK's browser has the same javascript interepreter as whats on the g1? |
| 06:16.37 | monteslu | and renderer |
| 06:16.40 | romainguy_ | for instance in DDMS you cannot see the list of processes, only the processes that have debug enabled in the manifest |
| 06:16.49 | umdk1d3 | romainguy_: looool so *thats* Google(tm) black |
| 06:16.56 | monteslu | I'm curious if the browser can handle dojo and svg |
| 06:17.00 | romainguy_ | monteslu: the SDK ships the same bits as the device |
| 06:17.01 | tric | np, i dont need root, but adb install would help alot. and wow, even debugging on real device. |
| 06:17.08 | monteslu | romainguy_, awesome. thanks |
| 06:17.21 | romainguy_ | tric: some debugging tools might not work |
| 06:17.29 | romainguy_ | for instance hierarchyviewer won't :( |
| 06:17.36 | tric | romainguy: you connect it via usb and have to configure adb and tools somehow, will it be or is it documented somewhere? |
| 06:17.49 | romainguy_ | there's nothing to configure |
| 06:17.58 | romainguy_ | you go in settings, enable development over USB |
| 06:18.05 | romainguy_ | the plug it in and start adb or DDMS |
| 06:18.05 | romainguy_ | that's it |
| 06:18.15 | tric | oh, ok |
| 06:18.20 | monteslu | ordered |
| 06:18.39 | tric | i think ill ask some us guy to order it aswell ;) |
| 06:18.42 | umdk1d3 | wonders what their order counter looks like |
| 06:18.52 | umdk1d3 | they are still taking preorders i guess |
| 06:19.54 | tric | we really need a .eu "dev" version. this us market thing first sucks |
| 06:20.44 | romainguy_ | it does suck |
| 06:20.55 | romainguy_ | but it's not as simple as just selling the device in europe |
| 06:21.06 | romainguy_ | putting a cell phone onto the market is a lot of work |
| 06:21.12 | romainguy_ | and I'm not talking about engineering |
| 06:21.35 | tric | hehe, for me (and devs) it is. we only need the device and prolly dont care about contracts |
| 06:21.49 | romainguy_ | it's not just about contracts |
| 06:21.55 | f00f- | market is a fickle |
| 06:22.07 | romainguy_ | a device needs to be approved to use the radio waves for instance |
| 06:22.19 | f00f- | lol |
| 06:22.22 | tric | ok, disable the radio! i really dont need it, hehe |
| 06:22.41 | romainguy_ | still need approval if the radio chips is inside :) |
| 06:22.42 | f00f- | the god of RF grants you permission |
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| 06:42.58 | monteslu | does the android browser not support SVG? |
| 06:43.06 | monteslu | i can't get dojo to draw with it |
| 06:45.48 | buster | why dont you browse to some .svg file on the web and find out? :o |
| 06:46.01 | buster | wikimedia has some svgs |
| 06:47.13 | romainguy_ | monteslu: it doesn't |
| 06:47.45 | romainguy_ | it might support the Canvas API though |
| 06:48.45 | monteslu | it doesn't |
| 06:48.48 | monteslu | this sucks |
| 06:48.52 | buster | btw. i'm trying to find out how to power some j2me app to android. is someone familiar with this? i have a request, some JSRs thatshould work but no clue of j2me and those JSRs |
| 06:48.55 | monteslu | i shoulda checked before ordering :( |
| 06:49.10 | romainguy_ | monteslu: why don't you write a native app instead? :) |
| 06:49.19 | romainguy_ | or wirte an SVG viewer |
| 06:49.29 | monteslu | romainguy_, no way. It should be built into the browser |
| 06:49.39 | monteslu | seriously. iphone can handle it |
| 06:49.56 | romainguy_ | ah |
| 06:50.07 | romainguy_ | honestly, SVG was not a priority for 1.0 |
| 06:50.09 | buster | iphone != android ;) |
| 06:50.11 | monteslu | i want to just write crossplatform webapps |
| 06:50.37 | monteslu | buster, i realise that |
| 06:50.47 | umdk1d3 | hmm |
| 06:51.06 | monteslu | dojo with svg output has some huge potential |
| 06:51.13 | umdk1d3 | whats the best way to opena raw resource? |
| 06:51.21 | monteslu | its like java.awt in javascript |
| 06:51.34 | romainguy_ | monteslu: no, the Canvas API is like java.awt in JavaScript :p |
| 06:51.35 | monteslu | gui toolkit and an event model |
| 06:51.45 | romainguy_ | ah |
| 06:51.47 | romainguy_ | yes that :))) |
| 06:51.54 | umdk1d3 | im using Uri uri = Uri.parse("android.resource://com.example.myapp/raw/my_resource"); but it doesnt like me |
| 06:52.04 | romainguy_ | umdk1d3: look at Context.getResources() |
| 06:52.12 | romainguy_ | there are methods to open raw resources |
| 06:52.32 | monteslu | romainguy_, you are refereing to the dojox gfx canvas? |
| 06:52.42 | romainguy_ | no I'm referring to <canvas/> |
| 06:54.17 | monteslu | there's some IP controversy with that |
| 06:54.27 | romainguy_ | how so? |
| 06:54.55 | monteslu | apple claims ownership |
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| 06:55.11 | romainguy_ | I should have figured that out :)) |
| 06:55.24 | monteslu | it might not be an issue |
| 06:55.33 | monteslu | but SVGs are an open standard |
| 06:55.49 | romainguy_ | and it's quite different from <canvas/> |
| 06:55.55 | monteslu | yeah |
| 06:56.02 | romainguy_ | SVG has its own share of issues |
| 06:56.10 | umdk1d3 | ooh ouch, only uncompresses up to 1mb |
| 06:56.12 | monteslu | though each would potentially solve the issues I'm looking at |
| 06:56.13 | romainguy_ | and never really took off |
| 06:56.19 | umdk1d3 | 09-26 06:47:28.499: DEBUG/asset(353): Data exceeds UNCOMPRESS_DATA_MAX (3757803 vs 1048576) |
| 06:56.24 | monteslu | SVG is doing ok |
| 06:56.28 | umdk1d3 | goes to split up files |
| 06:56.38 | monteslu | it works on all popular desktop browsers |
| 06:56.39 | romainguy_ | monteslu: I can't even remember the last time I saw a web site that was using SVG :) |
| 06:56.56 | monteslu | romainguy_, you just didnt notice the cool stuff is using it :) |
| 06:57.07 | romainguy_ | yeah right :) |
| 06:57.41 | monteslu | seriously |
| 06:57.42 | romainguy_ | I am serious |
| 06:57.47 | monteslu | its not like the browsers bark svg alert at you |
| 06:57.51 | monteslu | they just render the stuff |
| 06:58.55 | monteslu | heck, even good desktop managers like kde use it now |
| 06:59.35 | romainguy_ | don't they just render the SVG into bitmaps and then just use the bitmaps? |
| 06:59.40 | romainguy_ | and isn't it just for icons? |
| 06:59.43 | romainguy_ | and isn't it just KDE? |
| 07:00.43 | monteslu | osx too :) |
| 07:01.08 | monteslu | the implemenation might just be converting them to bitmaps |
| 07:01.14 | monteslu | on the browsers i mean |
| 07:01.55 | romainguy_ | where does Mac OS X use SVG? |
| 07:02.22 | monteslu | doesn't it use it for icons? |
| 07:02.26 | romainguy_ | not at all |
| 07:02.27 | monteslu | I'm not an osx guy |
| 07:02.29 | monteslu | really? |
| 07:02.33 | monteslu | they're bitmaps? |
| 07:02.33 | romainguy_ | they use a set of bitmaps |
| 07:02.41 | romainguy_ | an icon is made of several bitmaps: |
| 07:02.51 | romainguy_ | 16x16, 32x32, 48x48, 96x96, etc. |
| 07:02.53 | monteslu | how do they scale so cleanly? |
| 07:02.56 | romainguy_ | up to 512x512 |
| 07:02.59 | monteslu | the fishey stuff |
| 07:03.02 | romainguy_ | they just pick the closest one |
| 07:03.05 | romainguy_ | and scale that guy |
| 07:03.11 | monteslu | that's kinda hackish |
| 07:03.16 | romainguy_ | if you scale by less than a factor of 2, the quality is great |
| 07:03.18 | romainguy_ | no it's not |
| 07:03.24 | romainguy_ | it's called mipmapping in games :) |
| 07:03.39 | monteslu | sure, but not raster logo type stuff should all be math |
| 07:03.43 | romainguy_ | and it actually gives you much better results than scaling vectors (like SVG) at small sizes |
| 07:05.35 | monteslu | I still dont see the reason to exclude it from the android browser |
| 07:05.49 | romainguy_ | we just didn't have time |
| 07:06.02 | f00f- | os x uses postscript for their display or something |
| 07:06.06 | monteslu | but isn't the code in chrome? |
| 07:06.08 | f00f- | some vector stuff |
| 07:06.12 | f00f- | svg or not, same thing |
| 07:06.13 | romainguy_ | especially given how little SVG there is on the web |
| 07:06.22 | romainguy_ | f00f-: er, no, that's different |
| 07:06.31 | f00f- | resolution independence |
| 07:06.35 | romainguy_ | monteslu: Android's browser is not Chrome |
| 07:06.36 | umdk1d3 | hmm i wonder if there is a way to open a raw file as a sqlitedb |
| 07:06.43 | romainguy_ | f00f-: Mac OS X is not fully resolution independent yet |
| 07:06.47 | romainguy_ | they are still struggling with it |
| 07:06.51 | romainguy_ | it's a difficult task :(( |
| 07:06.52 | f00f- | oh |
| 07:07.07 | monteslu | romainguy_, i know, but i understand they share a great deal of code |
| 07:07.16 | romainguy_ | no, just WebKit |
| 07:07.29 | umdk1d3 | might have to copy it to an actual file outside of apk first, but that makes sense because you mgith want to openWritable |
| 07:09.21 | f00f- | you could always bundle the sqlite driver |
| 07:09.27 | f00f- | but would probably be slower than the built-in sqlite |
| 07:09.32 | f00f- | which i *hope* is native-optimized |
| 07:10.07 | romainguy_ | it is |
| 07:10.24 | f00f- | yay for JNI? |
| 07:10.31 | romainguy_ | :) |
| 07:11.01 | monteslu | romainguy_, so any chance that svg could be on the map for a 1.1 ? |
| 07:11.13 | romainguy_ | I highly doubt it |
| 07:11.19 | romainguy_ | but I have no insight on this :) |
| 07:11.25 | monteslu | that's very unfortunate |
| 07:11.26 | monteslu | both cases |
| 07:11.54 | monteslu | is there a suggestion box, or something like that? |
| 07:12.02 | romainguy_ | the bug tracker |
| 07:12.08 | romainguy_ | but there's already a RFE for SVG support |
| 07:12.22 | monteslu | cool. So i could just add stuff and plead my case on that? |
| 07:12.28 | romainguy_ | if you wish |
| 07:12.34 | monteslu | i do |
| 07:12.45 | swetland | also, it'll all be open source, so somebody could go ahead and implement it and then push for it to be part of the base platform |
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| 07:13.27 | monteslu | chrome will be too right? |
| 07:13.42 | monteslu | i could take the code from one and try and wedge it into the other? |
| 07:14.20 | swetland | chrome already is |
| 07:15.11 | monteslu | ahh, thought it was still coming. Cool |
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| 07:17.25 | monteslu | just tested my dojox gfx stuff in chrome. Works fast on an AMD X2 6000+ :) |
| 07:17.40 | monteslu | would probably run fast on a g1 too |
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| 07:27.34 | monteslu | romainguy_, if you need something to read to help you get to sleep |
| 07:27.43 | monteslu | oops, cut and paste |
| 07:28.38 | monteslu | http://svgopen.org/2008/papers/63-How_Ajax_Changes_the_Game_for_SVG/ |
| 07:30.45 | monteslu | android is even mentioned in that |
| 07:32.45 | monteslu | Don't get me wrong, I love writing in Java. I think I'll be writing a few android-specific apps myself, but I also want to do some cross platform ajax apps with rich GUIs |
| 07:32.54 | monteslu | and there's no way I'm touching flash to do that |
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| 08:32.40 | anno^da_ | Oh I like the Android G1 experience. Even in the starter guide are typing errors. :/ |
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| 08:37.24 | buster | did you ever see manuals for taiwanese phones with proper translations? :p |
| 08:40.32 | anno^da_ | :D |
| 08:41.44 | anno^da_ | Well ok but it is another proof for a not real professionel start. I dont know. The press conference, the trailers. Nothing really good and what I would expect from a shiney start. |
| 08:42.14 | anno^da_ | Does anybody know if you can share data between Android and other phones via Bluetooth ? |
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| 08:49.13 | buster | not yet |
| 08:49.46 | buster | they postponed the bluetooth api because of some design issues witht he bluetooth stack, iirc |
| 08:50.19 | tomgibara | Should we avoid calling commit() on an preference Editor from the UI thread? |
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| 08:52.50 | anno^da_ | Hmm I've done it several times tomgibara but I dont really know if we should avoid it. |
| 08:53.21 | tomgibara | Me too, but it's only just occured to me that it's probably doing IO |
| 08:53.49 | tomgibara | The question is whether the framework does the dirty work of moving the writes in commit off the calling thread |
| 08:54.22 | tomgibara | we need the source - I can't wait |
| 08:55.44 | anno^da_ | Yeah that would be interesting. |
| 08:55.53 | anno^da_ | Hmm well you have to wait :-) |
| 08:56.03 | anno^da_ | Or directly get it out of the UI thread. |
| 08:56.24 | tomgibara | There are just so many questions you can answer yourself when you have the source |
| 08:56.49 | anno^da_ | Yeah I know. |
| 08:57.01 | anno^da_ | What was the expected date? Q4? |
| 08:57.08 | tomgibara | yeah |
| 08:57.18 | anno^da_ | Q4 2008 - Source code released .. ok |
| 08:57.46 | anno^da_ | Have you ported your app to 0.9 / 1.0 tomgibara? |
| 08:58.49 | tomgibara | Moseycode, not yet - I've done most of the work, but changes in the camera apis have convinced me that there's nothing useful left to do now on the client until I own a device |
| 08:59.01 | tomgibara | I've been producing several other apps too though |
| 08:59.23 | anno^da_ | Ok yeah thats true. At the moment you just get that useless data stream from the cam right ? |
| 08:59.37 | anno^da_ | (the nice google guy picture :-) ) |
| 08:59.58 | tomgibara | I never used it, because I wrote some code to bypass it with a webcam and TCP/IP |
| 09:00.06 | anno^da_ | What are you working on? If I'm allowed to ask. |
| 09:00.58 | tomgibara | I've been producing a game called "Daisy Chase" to practice using View animations mainly (you can be much more over the top in Game UIs) - nothing terrific, just a simple |
| 09:01.36 | tomgibara | And I've been working on an app where I've focused on keeping things ultra simple |
| 09:02.17 | tomgibara | My aim was to produce the smallest useful app I could think of, I'm keeping quiet on that because I might decide to sell it |
| 09:02.49 | tomgibara | I've also been helping to get the Cooking Capsules application ready |
| 09:03.19 | anno^da_ | Ah great. |
| 09:03.32 | anno^da_ | I'm curious about the ultra simple app :-) |
| 09:04.15 | tomgibara | Well it's not earth shattering, but since I'm planning to open source Moseycode, and give away the game, I thought I'd try selling something too! |
| 09:04.58 | anno^da_ | Yeah I thought about that too. I will mix up things. Something free and something paid. (and perhaps later on open source it) |
| 09:05.11 | buster | mh, if i want to start some game for android (i have some freetime and boredom this weekend :p ). how would i start? use a <view> or <surfaceview> in the layout.xml or do i append my custom view class to the existing somehow? :F |
| 09:05.39 | tomgibara | I recommend a surface view and then a thread to render to it |
| 09:05.58 | tomgibara | But you may want to use an OpenGL surface for better performance |
| 09:06.18 | buster | mh, probably.. |
| 09:06.30 | tomgibara | I couldn't because I was using Path rendering, but if the performance is too poor I may need to change things. |
| 09:07.32 | buster | how do i get an opengl surface? |
| 09:07.57 | tomgibara | Just look at the sample activities |
| 09:09.12 | buster | ah, the apps-for-android stuff? |
| 09:09.46 | tomgibara | buster: No the API Demos that come with the SDK |
| 09:10.11 | buster | oh yes :) |
| 09:10.13 | buster | thanks |
| 09:12.26 | buster | http://pics.nase-bohren.de/macmini.jpg :P |
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| 09:22.20 | anno^da_ | http://www.biggu.com/ <- this app grows more and more even the UI looks polished now. |
| 09:23.58 | buster | yep <3 |
| 09:26.35 | anno^da_ | Thats one of my most have apps :D |
| 09:26.44 | anno^da_ | -most +must :D |
| 09:38.01 | anno^da_ | Someone from Google her that can address this issue: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/4b3e7a099931beb9# |
| 09:45.40 | tric | anno^da: well, google dev in here said a) we can set g1 to dev mode and even use adb install and remote debugging using most usual tools |
| 09:46.13 | tric | and b) there is a setting in g1 (which is missing in emulator, bug is filed) to allow install from different websites |
| 09:46.27 | anno^da_ | ah ok. |
| 09:46.58 | tric | BUT, maybe even if they claim they own a retail phone, ours will be more retail (restricted). who knows |
| 09:47.28 | tric | the dev mode would be cool, i really wanna have one to try and test |
| 09:48.52 | anno^da_ | Well I wouldnt buy a phone where I am not able to test. So I don't think they will restrict it so much. But ok we know the carriers. :-) |
| 09:49.04 | tric | well: 08:17:00 < fn~romainguy_> monteslu: the SDK ships the same bits as the device |
| 09:49.26 | tric | this cannot be true, cause when you press settings in current 1.0 emu, there is no settings activity |
| 09:49.52 | tric | i really doubt htc/tmobile will ship the device with this bug. |
| 09:52.22 | anno^da_ | The next interesting thing will be the availability of hardware looking at the upcoming ADC II |
| 09:53.17 | swetland | the SDK ships *nearly* the same bits as the device |
| 09:53.24 | swetland | probably 95% overlap |
| 09:53.42 | anno^da_ | It would be an unfair challenge. Devs with hardware competing against developers without hardware. I dont know. |
| 09:53.58 | swetland | on the production TMO G1 devices, app install via web and via adb / eclipse plugin are support. They must first be enabled via settings. |
| 09:54.36 | anno^da_ | swetland: Perhaps some Google Dev advocat could confirm that in the Groups. |
| 09:54.40 | swetland | the development tools you use with the emulator work with real hardware pretty much identically |
| 09:54.57 | anno^da_ | Because there are now 3 threads with rumours about that topic. |
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| 09:55.35 | swetland | I tried to reply to that thread. Not entirely sure where my post went. |
| 09:55.44 | swetland | I'm sure somebody will clear it up in any event |
| 09:56.39 | tric | anno: i would more trust a tmobile documentation telling me i can install from everywhere and supporting dev before spending 400$ |
| 09:56.43 | anno^da_ | Ah great. Because rumours are not that good. Especially if they make it to the first blogs. :-) |
| 09:57.25 | tric | swetland: 100% cant be true, cause romainguy told use we are unable to get a root shell on g1, sadly |
| 09:58.15 | swetland | as I said, "pretty much identically". There are some minor differences. |
| 09:58.37 | swetland | But at the end of the day, you can install and debug apps, etc, in the same way you can with the emulator |
| 09:58.55 | swetland | most of the tools for that predated the existence of the emulator. adb originally *only* talked to real hardware |
| 10:00.01 | tric | well, when i plugin a real device and of course have emu and sdk installed, where will adb install <apk> put my apk? ;) |
| 10:00.18 | swetland | it will give you an error |
| 10:00.25 | swetland | because you didn't specify which to talk to |
| 10:00.44 | swetland | same thing if you have multiple devices plugged in at once |
| 10:01.32 | tric | ah, never noticed the "-s <serial number>" flag ;) |
| 10:01.34 | swetland | you can specify device (-d) or emulator (-e) or a specific target by serial number (-s ...) |
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| 10:01.53 | swetland | -d and -e cover the common case where you only have one of each |
| 10:02.57 | tric | .o(ok, so finally someone get me one device now! ;)) |
| 10:03.45 | anno^da_ | Well tric import one for me as well ;) |
| 10:04.15 | tric | hehe, well. we have a .us guy, i only need someone who pays, and ill have to wait till end of october :( |
| 10:05.12 | anno^da_ | Great so here we have the main importer for G1s in Germany :-) |
| 10:07.08 | tric | haha |
| 10:11.27 | anno^da_ | Is there some profile management in the default android os? (havent installed 1.0 for some reasons at the moment) |
| 10:11.57 | tric | profile for? |
| 10:12.11 | anno^da_ | Well profiles for settings like: office, home, etc |
| 10:12.19 | anno^da_ | like in every phone os we know :P |
| 10:12.21 | tric | not that i discovered, as i said, there are no settings but the development settings available |
| 10:12.40 | tric | seems like they missed to include it into emu |
| 10:13.00 | anno^da_ | Well I havent seen it in the videos from the G1 covering the settings menue |
| 10:15.10 | anno^da_ | Because if that isnt available we have the next thing about normal consumers will complain. Since this is a feature my 8 years old Nokia 3330 has :-) |
| 10:15.56 | anno^da_ | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_3310 <- haha history :) |
| 10:18.38 | swetland | http://code.google.com/android/adc_gallery/app.html?id=25 |
| 10:19.24 | swetland | given that they can do that, I suspect one could build any number of fancy settings profile things |
| 10:19.50 | tric | hmm, but there is no simple default included? |
| 10:20.28 | tric | given i have to tell my mom how to install apps, dont think she will ever do such thing as install ;) |
| 10:20.37 | swetland | I don't think there's a profiles thing in 1.0 (kinda unfortunate, I really liked the time-based settings we had in hiptop) |
| 10:20.58 | tric | oh. normal consumers will complain |
| 10:21.07 | swetland | people will complain about any number of things |
| 10:21.20 | swetland | and some set of those things will be fixed in future releases |
| 10:21.34 | swetland | and some set of those things will be addressed by third parties |
| 10:22.02 | anno^da_ | swetland: The point is that a normal consumer will never pay for a feature every cheap phone os has. |
| 10:22.30 | anno^da_ | I know that there is Locale but basic profile management is such a basic thing. |
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| 10:23.37 | anno^da_ | It is ok to leave features for third parties but not the most basic ones. |
| 10:23.42 | swetland | 1.0 is what it is. There are things there that I wouldn't have expected in the first release and certainly there will be things not there that people want. |
| 10:23.53 | anno^da_ | True. |
| 10:24.29 | swetland | at some point you have to ship and take care of stuff in follow-on versions or with third party apps |
| 10:24.34 | swetland | otherwise you never ship |
| 10:25.55 | anno^da_ | Yeah thats true. But customers wont forget that the os is missing some of the most basic features they know from their handsets. (profiles, video playback/recording, data exchange via BT) |
| 10:26.15 | anno^da_ | They are used to them since 10 years. |
| 10:26.36 | anno^da_ | Ok 10 years is too much. |
| 10:27.32 | anno^da_ | I understand what you mean but I'm curious if the customers will accept that. |
| 10:28.18 | swetland | I think there will be many factors that decide if this product or the platform is successful |
| 10:28.33 | swetland | I'd be surprised if lack of settings profiles in 1.0 would be the thing that killed it ^^ |
| 10:29.09 | swetland | but hey, I'm a kernel engineer, I am hardly an expert on what average phone buyers (or average smartphone buyers) want or what they consider a deal breaker |
| 10:29.14 | tomgibara | Personally I hate profiles |
| 10:29.51 | tomgibara | I think they are a feature that has been copied from phone to phone without thinking about their actual practical utility |
| 10:34.17 | anno^da_ | Well tomgibara but a lot of people are used to them. I know that this features wont kill the platform. I'm just curious about some of these features missing. |
| 10:35.19 | anno^da_ | It is just the experience I'm getting after reading through thousands of comments throughout the whole blogs, news pages etc. A lot of the people are complaining about these things. |
| 10:35.54 | tomgibara | I acknowledge that my dislike of profiles is quite personal: I just keep forgetting to switch them back. I half had an idea that perhaps everyone was as forgetful as me. |
| 10:36.35 | anno^da_ | :D |
| 10:36.46 | anno^da_ | So Locale is the thing for you :-) |
| 10:37.04 | anno^da_ | Switching profiles automatically based on your location. |
| 10:37.11 | tomgibara | I've always been skeptical of that... for a start GPS is a power drain and secondly IBM have a patent on it |
| 10:37.20 | anno^da_ | Thats true. |
| 10:37.39 | anno^da_ | The power drain is the the thing I'm worried about. |
| 10:38.12 | anno^da_ | There are a lot of GPS enabled apps that come to my mind but they will suck the phones battery to zero in quite a countable time. |
| 10:38.13 | tomgibara | I'm not clear on how apps access the GPS if it isn't active. |
| 10:38.27 | anno^da_ | You can get the last known location. |
| 10:38.49 | tomgibara | Does the app have to explicitly switch it on, or does it come on when an app requests location updates |
| 10:38.56 | anno^da_ | Or you can ask for your current location. Which takes some time. And you get a callback after it is available. |
| 10:39.41 | anno^da_ | If the GPS is available already it wont take that long to get the current location. |
| 10:39.54 | anno^da_ | If it is not available it will take some time to get it on. |
| 10:40.09 | tomgibara | I know, I've used the APIs quite a bit, what I'm not clear on is does an application or user need to enable the GPS first |
| 10:40.50 | anno^da_ | Thats a good question. I would expect him not to have it enabled. |
| 10:42.05 | anno^da_ | But well yeah I'm not sure about that. |
| 10:42.22 | anno^da_ | I've also just used the API in 0.9 |
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| 15:07.01 | slux | hi |
| 15:07.14 | slux | someone have allready a G1 t-mobile phone? |
| 15:07.32 | jasta | plenty of people, but no one outside of the OHA |
| 15:08.15 | tale_ | I'd love to have android on this: http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/samsung-spits-out-second-8-megapixel-mobile-christens-it-pixon/ |
| 15:08.44 | tale_ | the lack of buttons would probably be a problem |
| 15:09.00 | wastrel | what's oha |
| 15:09.17 | tale_ | open handset alliance |
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| 15:09.50 | wastrel | it's interesting that phones are turning into pda's |
| 15:09.59 | wastrel | that thing looks like my t|x |
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| 15:10.17 | wastrel | after all the pda's turned into blackberrys |
| 15:16.09 | tale_ | no wifi, so maybe I don't want it after all |
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| 15:18.25 | Dougie187 | wastrel: your argument is rather circular |
| 15:19.40 | benley | SO IS YOUR MOM LOL KEKEKEKEKE |
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| 15:20.38 | Dougie187 | thank you for bringing out the 12 year old in all of us. |
| 15:20.48 | Dougie187 | and reminding us of starcraft. |
| 15:20.53 | wastrel | i'm just talking about looks |
| 15:21.13 | ttuttle | benley: ... |
| 15:21.16 | Dougie187 | im just saying how you said phones are turning into pdas now, but its funny how the pda turned into the blackberry |
| 15:21.37 | Dougie187 | if pdas were blackberries, that would imply that phones are turning into blackberries. |
| 15:21.41 | wastrel | right - apple newton, palm pilot, palm - tablets - big touchscreens. |
| 15:21.53 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 15:21.58 | wastrel | then blackberry and smartphones took over and everything had a small square screen and a keyboard |
| 15:22.08 | wastrel | now iphone is turning everything into the tablet agani. |
| 15:22.37 | wastrel | g1 is best of both worlds, big tablet screen and a nice keypad. |
| 15:22.45 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 15:22.48 | Dougie187 | like the touch pro |
| 15:22.57 | Dougie187 | that is a sweet looking phone too, but its pretty fat |
| 15:22.57 | wastrel | it has a couple of deficiencies hardware wise but i'm very happy with it. |
| 15:23.05 | wastrel | meh i have a palm tx in my pocket. |
| 15:23.13 | wastrel | and a crappy flipphone in the other |
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| 15:46.25 | SanMehat | morning |
| 15:47.28 | cbeust_ | yo |
| 15:48.43 | SanMehat | hey cbeust_ whats shaking |
| 15:49.05 | jasta | strange that some apps use the white theme and others use the dark theme |
| 15:49.06 | jasta | i dont like that |
| 15:49.26 | SanMehat | i like cheese |
| 15:49.38 | cbeust_ | What a small world, I like cheese too. |
| 15:49.44 | SanMehat | wow! |
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| 16:34.21 | jasta | http://support.t-mobile.com/knowbase/root/public/tm30235.pdf -- this gives the most information about apps we've seen to date :) |
| 16:37.50 | jasta | so i've noticed there's no visual voicemail :( |
| 16:38.00 | benley | didn't apple patent the shit out of that or something? |
| 16:38.08 | jasta | let me guess, AT&T/Apple has a patent? |
| 16:38.16 | benley | lunches |
| 16:38.41 | summatusmentis | VZW is supposed to be implementing visual voicemail too |
| 16:39.10 | ttuttle | jasta: I believe it's patented, yes. |
| 16:39.14 | jasta | why dont thye at least offer voicemail as e-mail, that aint patented |
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| 16:39.23 | jasta | then we can write an app to manage them all the same |
| 16:40.32 | romainguy_ | jasta: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=45756&topic=1565&hl=en |
| 16:40.36 | romainguy_ | here's some part of it :) |
| 16:41.04 | ttuttle | Nice. |
| 16:44.58 | jasta | well, how does this work with your t-mobile voicemail? |
| 16:45.06 | jasta | and is this supported in Android? |
| 16:45.22 | ttuttle | jasta: Does T-Mobile == Google Talk? |
| 16:46.30 | jasta | well then how is that even helpful? |
| 16:46.43 | ttuttle | jasta: It's not, for T-Mobile voicemail. |
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| 16:47.12 | summatusmentis | just that the technology is already sort of there |
| 16:47.12 | jasta | romainguy_: so, there you have it, that's not helpful :) |
| 16:47.26 | romainguy_ | that's why I said "here's some part of it" |
| 16:48.55 | jasonlee | romainguy_: you're on vacation aren't you? |
| 16:49.06 | romainguy_ | I am |
| 16:49.19 | jasonlee | everytime i make it out to google your on vacation =( |
| 16:49.33 | romainguy_ | ) |
| 16:49.42 | Cedric2 | That can't be a coincidence |
| 16:50.41 | jasonlee | cedric: i suspect it's not, everytime i'm at google it's for some kind of event or conference.. |
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| 16:51.24 | f00f- | 10th anniversary celebrations eh? |
| 16:54.20 | ttuttle | romainguy_: Oh man, this is so exciting. |
| 17:00.16 | chouman82 | quick question, a service dies when the activity's (that started the service) onFinish() is called right? |
| 17:00.49 | ttuttle | chouman82: I don't think so. The service keeps running in the background -- that's the point. |
| 17:00.56 | ttuttle | chouman82: You'd have to explicitly stop it, I think. |
| 17:01.21 | chouman82 | oh ok |
| 17:01.27 | chouman82 | so if the activity is done |
| 17:01.50 | chouman82 | we'll have to start the activity again and then stoped the service from there? |
| 17:02.40 | ttuttle | chouman82: Yes. |
| 17:02.47 | chouman82 | alright i'll try it oug |
| 17:02.48 | chouman82 | out |
| 17:02.49 | chouman82 | thanks |
| 17:02.53 | ttuttle | chouman82: It might help if you explain what you're trying to do -- what the activity and service are for. |
| 17:06.08 | chouman82 | well i wanted to have a customized InCallScreen |
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| 17:08.42 | ttuttle | chouman82: Good luck ;-) |
| 17:08.45 | chouman82 | haha yea |
| 17:08.56 | ttuttle | chouman82: I don't think that's possible right now. |
| 17:09.07 | chouman82 | yea i know |
| 17:09.31 | chouman82 | that's why i was thinking that i'll use a service to have the PhoneStateListener |
| 17:09.45 | chouman82 | and then just have another screen that pops up on top of the regular screen |
| 17:09.46 | ttuttle | chouman82: So you'll just monitor the phone state and display it? |
| 17:09.51 | chouman82 | yea |
| 17:09.51 | ttuttle | chouman82: What's it going to show? |
| 17:10.07 | chouman82 | just a screen with more info about the caller perhaps |
| 17:10.19 | ttuttle | chouman82: Ah. |
| 17:10.34 | ttuttle | chouman82: Lemme check something. |
| 17:10.36 | chouman82 | still working on the idea but just want to figure out if it's possible |
| 17:11.56 | ttuttle | This gives me an idea. |
| 17:12.03 | chouman82 | ? |
| 17:12.14 | chouman82 | wat is it? |
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| 17:35.49 | jasta | chouman82: this is not a good idea what you're trying to do here |
| 17:36.22 | jasta | you want to wait until android has this functionality properly supported |
| 17:36.56 | jasta | or, actually, until you have an unlocked phone and you can just hack a replacement call screen apk |
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| 17:41.37 | saraneya | progress bar is not working as expected |
| 17:43.59 | jasta | can you elaborate? |
| 17:44.21 | summatusmentis | not showing progress >_> |
| 17:44.35 | jasta | ProgressBar definitely does that. |
| 17:44.45 | jasta | perhaps you need to set it to a determinate state. |
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| 17:46.04 | saraneya | progress bar doesn't show immediately |
| 17:46.20 | saraneya | there's this blank screen shown.. |
| 17:46.44 | jasta | this is not a fun game we're playing here. |
| 17:47.15 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:47.29 | kingkung | saraneya, you have to make sure the invisibility property is set to "off" |
| 17:47.43 | kingkung | i think it's defaulted to "on" |
| 17:47.59 | jasta | kingkung: no you don't, its default visible. |
| 17:48.05 | jasta | it's* |
| 17:48.25 | jasta | saraneya: perhaps you didn't call setContentView, but that's the only guess i'm willing to make. show us code, explain more, or bugger off. |
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| 17:49.56 | kingkung | jasta: okay, but i'm going with my invisibility theory |
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| 17:51.24 | saraneya | nope |
| 17:51.31 | saraneya | its about threads |
| 17:52.04 | saraneya | setcontentview is called |
| 17:52.08 | saraneya | then a service |
| 17:52.11 | jasta | we can't help you without more information or code. period. |
| 17:53.06 | saraneya | ok.. let me download eclipse |
| 17:53.48 | jasta | what does that have to do with your problem? |
| 17:54.47 | saraneya | why a progress bar is not shown? |
| 17:54.50 | kingkung | cuz he hasn't written any code yet |
| 17:54.58 | kingkung | so he needs to download eclipse to do so |
| 17:55.20 | saraneya | its showing only after the service returns |
| 17:56.26 | jasta | saraneya: are you actually looking for help or just talking to yourself? |
| 17:57.05 | saraneya | jasta: heard you are the android king |
| 17:57.43 | saraneya | i call setcontentview and progress bar in create |
| 17:57.46 | yakischloba | lolcano |
| 17:57.52 | jasta | oh my god, i'm going to strangle this guy |
| 17:57.58 | saraneya | but it doesn't show up until the service returns |
| 17:58.08 | jasta | bbl, lunch |
| 17:58.14 | yakischloba | perfect |
| 17:58.19 | kingkung | i think u should download eclipse first |
| 17:59.07 | saraneya | good idea |
| 17:59.17 | saraneya | kingkung: what ide you use? |
| 18:01.17 | benley | vim! |
| 18:05.49 | lesceil | jasta: LOL |
| 18:12.52 | saraneya | benley: get a life |
| 18:13.23 | saraneya | if you are programming in vim you are effed up |
| 18:14.03 | Cedric2 | vi is a radioactive editor: you should never use it for more than a few minutes at a time or it will damage your brain forever |
| 18:14.28 | benley | saraneya: I am programming in vim |
| 18:15.01 | saraneya | benley: do you want to repeat what i said? |
| 18:15.06 | Cedric2 | I consider myself a vi power user and I use a lot of shortcuts that probably very few vi users use, but nobody should be editing Java in it |
| 18:15.07 | f00f- | i swear by vim, but i'll only allow it for quick edits |
| 18:15.11 | f00f- | do not write products using it |
| 18:15.20 | Cedric2 | foof++ |
| 18:15.21 | benley | I've been using it for a decade or so, I'm too brainscarred to use any other editor anymore |
| 18:15.49 | saraneya | vi and emacs are fine |
| 18:15.53 | jasta | i use Eclim, if anyone is curious |
| 18:15.54 | saraneya | but come on! |
| 18:16.40 | saraneya | eclime? |
| 18:16.40 | jasta | saraneya: also, here you are unable to muster up a sensible dialog telling us what we, established engineers, should be using. |
| 18:16.56 | saraneya | where the hell are you living jasta ? |
| 18:17.12 | saraneya | in a cave? |
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| 18:17.21 | Cedric2 | It's simple, really: no matter how productive you think you are in Java with emacs or vi, Eclipse or IDEA will make you more productive |
| 18:17.29 | jasta | actually, in a major center of software development in the US. |
| 18:17.46 | jasta | Cedric2: Again, I use Eclim. |
| 18:17.59 | saraneya | jasta: loser! |
| 18:18.04 | saraneya | try a real ide |
| 18:18.21 | jasta | lol, who is this guy? |
| 18:18.39 | yakischloba | har |
| 18:18.42 | ralfz | jasta, who are you? |
| 18:19.06 | saraneya | major center of software development in the US |
| 18:19.10 | saraneya | hahahahahaha |
| 18:19.40 | jasta | ralfz: well, in this ocntext, one of the major active members of the Android community. |
| 18:19.55 | Cedric2 | jasta, you forgot "... irc channel" |
| 18:20.15 | jasta | did i? |
| 18:20.20 | ralfz | jasta, what's your app? |
| 18:20.21 | saraneya | jasta: did you participate in adc? |
| 18:20.24 | jasta | ralfz: five.googlecode.com |
| 18:20.30 | saraneya | WHAT? |
| 18:20.40 | saraneya | fiftyfive? |
| 18:21.00 | saraneya | don't you have a better name? |
| 18:21.05 | fadden | Houston, we have a troll. |
| 18:21.06 | ralfz | jasta, "Five is currently for M5" ??! |
| 18:21.22 | jasta | ralfz: i'm rewriting it to 1.0 |
| 18:21.30 | saraneya | jasta: |
| 18:21.33 | jasta | lots of stuff has cahnged which fundamentally changed my strategy for release |
| 18:21.36 | saraneya | jasta: WTF is 5? |
| 18:22.07 | saraneya | name it as 5B |
| 18:22.43 | saraneya | 5 bozos! |
| 18:23.27 | saraneya | checking out 55.. |
| 18:23.43 | jasta | ralfz: the MediaPlayer class, for example, is _very_ broken. To the point that it is unlikely specialized streaming apps like mine will be possible. |
| 18:23.59 | saraneya | SHIT!! |
| 18:24.06 | jasta | the workarounds necessary are staggering, and even they don't solve all the problems. |
| 18:24.18 | ralfz | jasta, there's a mediaplayer class? (just trolling :-p) |
| 18:24.25 | saraneya | jasta: WTF is this? |
| 18:24.51 | saraneya | WTH is 5? |
| 18:24.55 | saraneya | does it work?? |
| 18:26.21 | saraneya | i knew it wouldn't work.. coz you couldn't answer a simple question |
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| 18:28.43 | saraneya | jasta>ralfz: well, in this ocntext, one of the major active members of the Android community. |
| 18:28.48 | saraneya | rofl |
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| 18:30.43 | Dougie187 | saraneya: can you read? |
| 18:31.39 | saraneya | Dougie187: can you write? |
| 18:31.46 | saraneya | jasta>saraneya: also, here you are unable to muster up a sensible dialog telling us what we, established engineers, should be using. |
| 18:31.58 | saraneya | OMG!! |
| 18:32.11 | saraneya | effin funny! |
| 18:32.23 | saraneya | established?? |
| 18:32.24 | AttractiveApe | jasta has his moments. |
| 18:32.34 | saraneya | lol |
| 18:33.51 | Dougie187 | ... |
| 18:34.38 | saraneya | Doggie: are you brave enough to say something? |
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| 18:34.50 | pawalls | Wow.. some impressive trolling here today. |
| 18:34.57 | Dougie187 | totally. |
| 18:35.25 | ulmen | just don't feed him anymore |
| 18:35.33 | Dougie187 | lol deal. |
| 18:36.12 | saraneya | ulmen: who the F are you? |
| 18:36.22 | ralfz | bah noise... :) |
| 18:36.25 | Dougie187 | the number of trolls grows proportionally to the public knowledge of the product. |
| 18:36.54 | saraneya | ulmen: have you contributed anything? |
| 18:36.58 | saraneya | anything at all? |
| 18:37.56 | hagna | so anyway I'm trying the button example and it crashes, but where is the reason for the crash? Pardon my newbness please. |
| 18:38.19 | hagna | this is on eclipse and the example is the one listed in the API docs |
| 18:38.31 | benley | saraneya: have you? |
| 18:38.47 | Dougie187 | benley: ... dont even start... |
| 18:38.49 | ulmen | benley: just don't respond... |
| 18:38.50 | benley | hehehe |
| 18:38.56 | saraneya | hohoho |
| 18:39.05 | Dougie187 | take it into a pm... |
| 18:39.18 | saraneya | benley: if you are capable, answer hagna |
| 18:39.44 | hagna | uh |
| 18:39.56 | saraneya | hu |
| 18:40.04 | rabelais | is there an accelerometer on the G1? I have found speculation about this, but not a clear spec about it |
| 18:40.22 | saraneya | rabelais: yes, compass and accelerometer |
| 18:40.22 | summatusmentis | there was a video of someone showing an app that used it, so I assume so |
| 18:40.28 | Cedric2 | rabelais: Yes there is |
| 18:40.28 | AttractiveApe | rabelais: there is, however none of the current apps utilize it.. |
| 18:40.41 | rabelais | thank you :) |
| 18:40.46 | saraneya | doggie jasta and ulment |
| 18:40.47 | AttractiveApe | I think the compass integration is awesome. |
| 18:40.52 | saraneya | get the hell out of here |
| 18:40.58 | Dougie187 | In the london dev day they showed it |
| 18:41.04 | Dougie187 | the guy wrote that app with the blue dot. |
| 18:41.20 | AttractiveApe | SanMehat: could you step up, please? |
| 18:41.27 | saraneya | ok doggie seem to be responding |
| 18:42.17 | jasta | hehe, my brother's kids came into the office today and have shattered productivity :) |
| 18:42.20 | AttractiveApe | Nevermind, I just ignored him. |
| 18:42.34 | AttractiveApe | jasta: hah. Of you, or everyone? |
| 18:42.36 | AttractiveApe | How old? |
| 18:42.39 | Dougie187 | i think thats what most people did. |
| 18:42.45 | jasta | AttractiveApe: 2 and a new born |
| 18:42.53 | AttractiveApe | Heh, fun. |
| 18:42.56 | jasta | AttractiveApe: of everyone :) |
| 18:42.58 | saraneya | kids are fun |
| 18:43.05 | jasta | every girl on the second floor is over there hehe |
| 18:43.10 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:43.25 | Dougie187 | too bad you have a girlfriend then. |
| 18:43.37 | Dougie187 | snag one of them and take a walk through the park. |
| 18:43.42 | jasta | no, that's not too bad. |
| 18:43.44 | Dougie187 | its like a puppy but 100 times better.. |
| 18:43.45 | jasta | trust me :) |
| 18:43.53 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:43.59 | Dougie187 | i guess not. |
| 18:44.03 | Dougie187 | you could be in my brother's boat. |
| 18:44.10 | saraneya | WTF is this? |
| 18:44.10 | Dougie187 | he can't find a girl to save his life. |
| 18:44.16 | Dougie187 | but then again, its probably his own fault. |
| 18:44.18 | AttractiveApe | jasta needs the current girlfriend, otherwise he'll just go to jail. :P |
| 18:44.20 | saraneya | is this android channel? |
| 18:44.36 | saraneya | Why the heck is jasta talking about his gf here? |
| 18:44.41 | Dougie187 | or move to ireland. |
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| 18:45.17 | saraneya | ireland? |
| 18:45.24 | saraneya | no shit!@ |
| 18:45.40 | jasta | bbl, goin to lunch with the little ones |
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| 18:46.08 | saraneya | jasta: how many lunch you eat? |
| 18:49.25 | saraneya | good.. |
| 18:49.28 | saraneya | the trolls are off |
| 18:49.58 | saraneya | i'm trying to show a progress bar.. but its not visible immediately |
| 18:50.36 | saraneya | only after the service returns.. the progress bar shows |
| 18:51.05 | saraneya | there's this blank black screen until the service returns |
| 18:51.09 | saraneya | any ideas? |
| 18:53.23 | saraneya | hmmm |
| 18:53.29 | saraneya | so this is the losers channel?. |
| 18:53.46 | saraneya | no one knows anything about android here? |
| 18:53.53 | benley | nobody but you, obviously |
| 18:54.15 | saraneya | benley: can you even comprehend my problem/ |
| 18:54.19 | ulmen | benley: don't respond. |
| 18:54.25 | saraneya | oh oh |
| 18:54.34 | saraneya | ulmen: where the hell are you hiding? |
| 18:54.41 | saraneya | and suddenly popup |
| 18:54.42 | Cedric2 | saraneya: are you posting the update on a Handler? |
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| 18:55.04 | saraneya | Cedric2: no, its a regular activity |
| 18:55.15 | saraneya | i do the progress update oncreate |
| 18:55.34 | saraneya | onresume, i bind to the service |
| 18:56.15 | saraneya | it looks like the progress update thread never catches up with the main thread |
| 18:57.14 | saraneya | when i start the activity.. the blank screen shows up until the service returns |
| 18:57.22 | saraneya | then all the ui stuff shows up |
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| 18:58.36 | saraneya | i tried with a callback.. |
| 18:59.21 | saraneya | but the dumb blank screen always shows up until the service returns |
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| 19:02.24 | Cedric2 | saraneya: that's why I was asking you about Handler |
| 19:02.34 | Cedric2 | if you're not familiar with this class, look at its doc |
| 19:02.42 | saraneya | thx |
| 19:02.53 | saraneya | i know romain had this usertask.. |
| 19:03.01 | Cedric2 | you typically want to post UI updates with mHandler.post(... Runnable) |
| 19:03.14 | saraneya | may be that should do the trick.. |
| 19:03.25 | Cedric2 | Yes you can use this too, you can find it in the PhotoStream source |
| 19:03.36 | saraneya | ok |
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| 19:04.09 | saraneya | i'm surprise oncreate doesn't draw the view immediately |
| 19:05.05 | f00f- | it has to exit |
| 19:05.46 | saraneya | f00f-: what? who has to exit? |
| 19:06.20 | Cedric2 | You want onCreate to run fast |
| 19:06.31 | hagna | so when I comment out button.setOnClickListenenr(new clicker()); the program runs, but when it's uncommented it dies with "program not responding" force quit? |
| 19:06.32 | Cedric2 | and you want UI updates to happen exclusively on the EDT |
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| 19:07.43 | SanMehat | AttractiveApe: ping |
| 19:08.10 | saraneya | the main thread is the EDT |
| 19:08.14 | saraneya | so what's the problem? |
| 19:08.42 | AttractiveApe | SanMehat: pong. |
| 19:11.06 | saraneya | jasta: doggie: and uglymen |
| 19:11.10 | saraneya | good night |
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| 19:15.07 | mpardo | can you attach contextual data to a Notify object? |
| 19:15.22 | mpardo | for consumption later by an activity |
| 19:16.14 | hagna | just following the simple button example is not working well. here's the code http://rafb.net/p/qJSc0Y46.html |
| 19:17.04 | mpardo | hanga: that link for me??? |
| 19:17.25 | hagna | mpardo: well if you want to help it is. I didn't have an answer for you though sorry |
| 19:17.34 | mpardo | ah ok |
| 19:17.42 | mpardo | what do you need help with |
| 19:17.53 | Cedric2 | No reason this code should crash, what is the exception exactly? |
| 19:18.03 | Cedric2 | is button null by any chance? |
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| 19:18.07 | hagna | Cedric2: oh good |
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| 19:18.42 | mpardo | well if the resource is not in ur main.xml then yes |
| 19:19.06 | Cedric2 | Hence my question, it's the only thing I can think of |
| 19:19.14 | Cedric2 | findByViewID is not finding your button |
| 19:19.37 | hagna | Cedric2: The application hell there has stopped unexpectedly. Please try again. |
| 19:19.57 | hagna | eclipse autocompleted R.id.ok |
| 19:20.01 | Cedric2 | Yes but the logcat Yes but what does logcat say? |
| 19:20.06 | Cedric2 | but what* |
| 19:20.27 | hagna | is that some window in my perspective? |
| 19:20.53 | mpardo | you need to debug, not run |
| 19:21.24 | mpardo | F11 for pc |
| 19:21.32 | mpardo | command + F11 for mac |
| 19:22.04 | mpardo | if you don't see log cat then add the view in eclipse |
| 19:22.09 | mpardo | logcat* |
| 19:23.52 | hagna | yeah I see it |
| 19:24.39 | mpardo | when your app crashes scroll all the way down in the message window to see the exception |
| 19:24.52 | hagna | 09-26 19:24:37.695: WARN/WindowManager(53): Continuing to wait for key to be dispatched |
| 19:25.15 | hagna | argh it's like it hit a breakpoint but I don't see any |
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| 19:26.26 | hagna | oh ok I clicked resume twice and now it exited with the error and there is a traceback sweet |
| 19:27.34 | hagna | in /data/anr/traces.txt |
| 19:27.37 | mpardo | does anyone know if it's possible to attach an object to a Notify object? |
| 19:28.15 | jasta | back |
| 19:29.00 | hagna | Cedric2: yep NullPointerException |
| 19:29.09 | mpardo | or could i extend the Notify object to allow custom fields? |
| 19:29.13 | jasta | mpardo: come again? |
| 19:29.17 | jasta | what Notify object? |
| 19:29.44 | hagna | Cedric2: but <Button id="@+id/ok" is in main.xml |
| 19:29.44 | mpardo | i meant Notification object |
| 19:30.07 | jasta | mpardo: what would you want to store in it? Notification objects are just to describe to the manager what sort of notification you wish to have. |
| 19:30.29 | mpardo | i want to have some sort of contextual menu |
| 19:31.14 | mpardo | for example, if the notification was your current lat & long... you could click on the Notiifcation and then click "see on map" |
| 19:31.51 | Cedric2 | hagna: post your main.xml on your site |
| 19:32.14 | mpardo | or it might take you directly to the map, whatever you want it to do really |
| 19:32.25 | hagna | Cedric2: http://rafb.net/p/nR3q2418.html |
| 19:33.58 | jasta | mpardo: i don't recommend that from an interview standpoint, but still you can use a custom view completely for this |
| 19:34.04 | jasta | err, from an interface standpoint* |
| 19:34.10 | Cedric2 | Use android:id |
| 19:34.13 | Cedric2 | instead of id: |
| 19:34.13 | jasta | see Notification.contentView |
| 19:35.05 | SanMehat | AttractiveApe: back :) |
| 19:35.14 | hagna | Cedric2: I got that xml from http://code.google.com/android/devel/ui/xml.html is it out of date? |
| 19:35.19 | jasta | SanMehat: i think he was trying to get your attention to ban some troll :) |
| 19:35.38 | jasta | hagna: it is, yes. a bug should be filed, i suppose. |
| 19:36.26 | SanMehat | jasta: ah, sorry i missed that - I was in meetings |
| 19:36.30 | hagna | jasta: bugs.android.com |
| 19:36.37 | mpardo | jasta: ok, but can i pass arguments to the view from that? |
| 19:36.41 | hagna | ? |
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| 19:38.34 | User568 | hallo |
| 19:38.59 | jasta | mpardo: such as? |
| 19:39.07 | mpardo | lat and long |
| 19:39.18 | Cedric2 | hagna: did this fix your problem? |
| 19:39.19 | User568 | simple question, just downloaded the newest SDK and eclispe.... runnin it on a dual amd laptop, anyone run into REALLY REALLY slow emulator? |
| 19:39.47 | hagna | Cedric2: yes that did it thanks |
| 19:39.52 | jasta | mpardo: well, you would just initialize the click listeners, however you raise an interesting point here. you need to use RemoteViews, which obviously would not allow you to specify stuff like that |
| 19:39.52 | mpardo | or any arguments i want |
| 19:39.57 | hagna | Cedric2: now I need to file a bug |
| 19:40.04 | Cedric2 | hagna: I'm taking care of that |
| 19:40.11 | Cedric2 | Sorry for the trouble |
| 19:40.14 | jasta | so it looks like you definitely could not do as you want. |
| 19:40.38 | User568 | anyone? |
| 19:40.43 | jasta | you can merely have a single intent fired when the user clicks the notification. no more sophistication is possible, then. bummer. |
| 19:40.44 | User568 | slow emulator? anyone? |
| 19:40.54 | jasta | but again, i think your UI would have been cluttered and bad here. |
| 19:41.04 | Dougie187 | User568: define slow |
| 19:41.15 | jasta | User568: the emulator is generally very slow, but we don't really have a scale so we can't qualify your question |
| 19:41.24 | User568 | 3 minutes to boot up, 4 second delay on any click |
| 19:41.35 | hagna | Cedric2: thanks |
| 19:41.46 | Cedric2 | Welcome. |
| 19:41.48 | Dougie187 | the boot time seems close, maybe a little long. but the 4 second delay shouldn't be there |
| 19:41.50 | User568 | and alot of errors tryin to load certain classes |
| 19:41.54 | Cedric2 | I filed a bug to have this fixed |
| 19:42.05 | jasta | User568: when you upgraded, did you run -wipe-data? |
| 19:42.07 | mpardo | maybe i didn't explain the UI well. For example: every 1 minute i get a notification with my current lat and long. these pile up in the notification area... |
| 19:42.10 | jasta | well actually, 1.0 wouldn't matter, so nevermind |
| 19:42.10 | hagna | Cedric2: does that mean the bug tracker is not public? |
| 19:42.22 | mpardo | when i expand the notification area i can click on a notification |
| 19:42.26 | Cedric2 | Yes I filed it on our internal bug tracker, it will be fixed faster this way :) |
| 19:42.27 | User568 | run -wipe-date? |
| 19:42.35 | mpardo | this would take my to my inteded activity |
| 19:42.38 | mpardo | intended* |
| 19:42.44 | mpardo | where i would then have some options |
| 19:42.45 | jasta | User568: nevermind, that's an old suggestion |
| 19:43.08 | User568 | so then this is a known issue? |
| 19:43.14 | jasta | User568: i can't say what would cause such a severe lag. perhaps you could post your adb logcat output? |
| 19:43.25 | User568 | lemme see |
| 19:43.32 | jasta | User568: long boot up times are generally observed, but from there the emulator is reasonably (!) responsive. |
| 19:43.40 | hagna | Cedric2: hehe |
| 19:43.46 | jasta | your delays are hard to qualify without seeing them first hand, however |
| 19:44.00 | jasta | is your machine old? or otherwise slow? |
| 19:44.07 | User568 | im gettin severly slow boot and slow response.... plus its gettin lotsa errors |
| 19:44.15 | jasta | also, can you elaborate on the errors you see? |
| 19:44.17 | User568 | no not really. 1 yr old |
| 19:44.25 | jasta | mpardo: yes, that can be done. and btw, you should cancel old notifications so your user doesn't want to kill you |
| 19:44.26 | User568 | ya one sec lemme re open |
| 19:44.50 | mpardo | lol yes i would kill old ones |
| 19:45.05 | jasta | mpardo: the notification lets you define an intent to fire when the user clicks on yours. |
| 19:45.05 | User568 | sorry but im used to VS 2008 lol so this is new to me :) ..... I usually workl with C# :) |
| 19:45.15 | mpardo | i have everything working so far... it takes me to the intended activity, but i need to pass some information along to that activity |
| 19:45.16 | jasta | you just can't do *more* than that. |
| 19:45.27 | mpardo | i'm using a PendingIntent |
| 19:45.32 | jasta | mpardo: intents can carry information |
| 19:45.38 | jasta | and that is what you should use. |
| 19:45.42 | mpardo | woot! how |
| 19:45.51 | jasta | look at the javadoc, it'll be pretty obvious i think :) |
| 19:45.56 | mpardo | k |
| 19:46.42 | jasta | actually, the docs are pretty bloated. generally, you would use putExtra |
| 19:47.03 | tomgibara | I asked this question earlier today, but no-one had an answer, so I'll give it another shot... |
| 19:47.04 | jasta | setData is generally used for most intents, but its not generalized data, merely a Uri. |
| 19:47.09 | User568 | ok just opened emulator at 3:46:56 |
| 19:47.09 | jasta | so you'd need a Uri scheme to make sense of it. |
| 19:47.10 | tomgibara | Is it safe to commit a shared preferences editor on the UI thread given that it may be performing IO? |
| 19:47.35 | mpardo | k lemme take a look at the the Intent methods |
| 19:47.40 | jasta | tomgibara: how could it be performing I/O simultaneously? |
| 19:47.43 | hagna | Cedric2: and speaking of doc issues http://code.google.com/android/toolbox/apis/lbs.html says you can spoof nmea and fixed location data with tools/geo, but I have no such tool in linux_x86-1.0_r1 |
| 19:48.03 | User568 | K now its giving me the android logo |
| 19:48.07 | tomgibara | What I mean is, no IO on the UI thread, that's the golden rule, so is the commit method doiing IO? |
| 19:48.11 | User568 | (that was almost a full minute) |
| 19:48.41 | jasta | tomgibara: the rule is to not do anything that can block arbitrarily long, or unacceptably long. network I/O is the classic example, but there is no general rule about I/O. |
| 19:48.49 | User568 | ok here we go.... errors |
| 19:48.55 | User568 | Process system is not responding |
| 19:49.16 | User568 | click on the menu, took almost 5 seconds to show |
| 19:49.55 | tomgibara | jasta: Of course I'm simplifying, but any IO operation can in theory block for an arbitrarily long time |
| 19:50.09 | jeffb | run top from the terminal to see what's taking up the resources |
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| 19:50.26 | jasta | tomgibara: any operation period can block for an arbitrarily long time. |
| 19:50.31 | User568 | jeff talkin to me? |
| 19:50.36 | tomgibara | jasta: er, no |
| 19:50.42 | jeffb | yes |
| 19:50.48 | jasta | tomgibara: er, yes. |
| 19:51.08 | User568 | jeff where do I do that? |
| 19:51.23 | jeffb | adb shell |
| 19:51.38 | jasta | floating point math for example is terribly slow on most mobile processors. that doesn't mean you should have a general rule constructed to defer it from the main thread. |
| 19:51.39 | mpardo | sweet i just watched a chimp pepper sprayed |
| 19:51.47 | User568 | im lookin at the logcat and seeing a lot of system tags |
| 19:51.56 | User568 | ailure Starting core services |
| 19:52.02 | jasta | tomgibara: also, do realize that the Linux kernel isn't going to sync the writes to disk before returning to the caller. |
| 19:52.05 | User568 | Failure Starting StatusBar |
| 19:52.13 | jasta | it's almost certainly going to internally buffer this very small amount of data |
| 19:52.25 | User568 | No Kernel log File |
| 19:52.41 | jasta | and i think you'd be sane to rely on that for small writes. |
| 19:52.56 | User568 | Android runtime thread failed |
| 19:53.12 | jeffb | did you run the restore cd? |
| 19:53.15 | jasta | User568: i don't know. your best bet would be to run adb bugreport and post the results to the android issue list. |
| 19:53.33 | User568 | i think its starting to work now |
| 19:53.34 | jeffb | did you unplug it from everything, wait 30 seconds, and plug it back in? |
| 19:53.57 | User568 | now the lag between button presses is like 2 seconds |
| 19:54.04 | tomgibara | jasta: How can you say that any operation can block? incrementing an integer?? |
| 19:54.32 | User568 | ya seems to be working now... just really slowly |
| 19:54.35 | User568 | wow |
| 19:54.43 | jasta | because of the definition of arbitrary. the processor will take longer to do certain operations than others, and you don't immediately know how long. i was being intentionally obtuse. |
| 19:54.47 | User568 | what a difference between my laptop any work box |
| 19:55.07 | jasta | tomgibara: but that wasn't the main point i was trying to make, just a quip at you. |
| 19:55.14 | jasta | sorry :) |
| 19:55.51 | User568 | thanks guys |
| 19:56.05 | jasta | i would think it unreasonable to construct a general rule that I/O should happen outside the main thread, as you will micromanage yourself into a condition where the overhead of object creation, thread scheduling, etc will outweigh your very trivial buffered writes to local media |
| 19:56.10 | tomgibara | jasta: Fair enough, I'll take your point about the operation of the Linux Kernel though - I just wanted to be sure |
| 19:56.53 | jasta | tomgibara: but this is the challenge of the developer of course: you need to look at the scope of what you're doing and judge for yourself. generally you can assume small writes to local media will not occupy unreasonable time. |
| 19:57.09 | User568 | heh eclipse checks spelling of string literals? |
| 19:57.13 | User568 | funny |
| 19:57.28 | jasta | of course it is a good idea to make a general rule about network I/O. |
| 19:57.45 | tomgibara | jasta: yes, I'm just not confident of developing on mobile devices, I don't have the intuition I do in other contexts |
| 19:58.08 | jasta | the intuition remains the same, really. in fact, write performance to storage should be quite good. |
| 19:58.26 | jasta | better even than movable hard drives in some cases |
| 19:59.07 | jasta | still, your head is in the right area to question performance, i just think in this particular case of small writes to lcoal media, you shouldn't bother with the details too much. |
| 19:59.18 | jasta | the overhead of the alternative will defeat any reasonable advantages you'd get. |
| 19:59.55 | jasta | especially for a system that is anything but imaginary: we know the kernel and the media type, and we know that both will behave quite well in this case. |
| 20:00.47 | tomgibara | jasta: did you mean that write performance is better than movable drives relative to the processing speed, or absolutely? |
| 20:01.17 | tomgibara | *may be better |
| 20:02.50 | mpardo | jasta: is there documentation on how to correctly form my Uri to be passed with the intent? |
| 20:03.02 | jasta | i mean that solid state storage drives typically beat hard drive seek times, which can improve the write performance drastically in certain cases. |
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| 20:03.42 | jasta | mpardo: you don't necessarily have to use a data Uri, but the general rule is new Uri("content://your.package.space/whatever-the-hell-you-want"); |
| 20:03.55 | jasta | for your simple case of passing lat/long, there may be an existing content uri you can use/parse, like a geo uri |
| 20:04.05 | jasta | or you can just use putExtra("lat", ...); and pull that out on the other side |
| 20:04.19 | jasta | quite a few options here, depending on how generalized you want to get |
| 20:05.03 | jasta | there is a geo intent actually, but keep in mind that intents are meant to loosely bind to a particular activity |
| 20:05.18 | jasta | so normally, an intent fired at geo:<lat>,<long> will open google maps. |
| 20:05.49 | jasta | but Intents are very flexible, you can set the "data" (the uri) to whatever you want and specifically set the class that the intent will bind to. |
| 20:06.40 | jasta | the simplest solution would be to just use putExtra, the most flexible would be to define a proper intent-filter and use the geo uri scheme and then just differentiate however it makes sense for your app |
| 20:06.44 | jasta | thats a pretty sophisticated topic though :) |
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| 20:14.18 | phocus | hey guys, i have a guy here who got android running on my ppc 6900 phone, it was looking nice with the desktop that i saw in the G1 demo. but then the 1.0 sdk came out, he moved to it, and now i have the old desktop again with the "all programs button" on the right. how do i change what the interface looks like, i want the desktop back |
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| 20:23.26 | plusminus_ | anyone knows on which TV-channel the presidential debate will be on tonight ?? |
| 20:24.03 | Versed | probably all of them |
| 20:24.33 | jasta | plusminus_: youtube. |
| 20:24.35 | jasta | :) |
| 20:26.12 | benley | live streaming on youtube? |
| 20:26.38 | plusminus_ | jasta: they do ? |
| 20:26.49 | plusminus_ | what time(+zone) ? |
| 20:27.15 | plusminus_ | i've heard something of 8pm but no idea what tiemzone |
| 20:27.33 | jasta | probably not life streaming, but who cares. im sure itll be up there at some point soon :) |
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| 20:34.27 | hagna | can I get an ACK? speaking of doc issues http://code.google.com/android/toolbox/apis/lbs.html says you can spoof nmea and fixed location data with tools/geo, but I have no such tool in linux_x86-1.0_r1 |
| 20:36.12 | xavd | geo is a command of the emulator console |
| 20:36.27 | xavd | in the title bar of the emulator there's a port number (usually 5554). |
| 20:36.36 | xavd | telnet to that port (telnet localhost 5554) |
| 20:36.40 | xavd | then type help |
| 20:37.22 | hagna | xavd: oh ok thanks |
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| 20:56.25 | hagna | xavd: using geo it only ever follows my new location once do you know why? |
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| 20:57.57 | chouman82 | hey plusminus are you still there? |
| 20:58.36 | chouman82 | having problem starting registering a broadcastReceiver |
| 20:59.10 | chouman82 | anyone has a clue about the BroadcastReceiver? |
| 20:59.25 | tomgibara | chouman82: some clues |
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| 21:00.03 | chouman82 | so in my manifest i added the receiver tag |
| 21:00.10 | chouman82 | with an intent-filter |
| 21:00.28 | chouman82 | that has the action android.intent.action.BOOT_COMPLETED |
| 21:00.51 | chouman82 | and then i have a StartServicesAtStartUp extends BroadcastReceiver |
| 21:01.01 | chouman82 | and some system.out statment in there |
| 21:01.06 | chouman82 | but it's never printed out |
| 21:01.08 | tomgibara | okay, I can see where this going |
| 21:01.09 | chouman82 | when i load the app |
| 21:01.12 | jasta | system.out traditionally was not printed, btw. |
| 21:01.16 | jasta | use Log.d() |
| 21:01.33 | jasta | but it now has stdout connected to the log, but still :) |
| 21:01.34 | chouman82 | even in logcat it's not printed out? |
| 21:01.34 | tomgibara | You need a permission to receive BOOT_COMPLETED |
| 21:01.42 | fadden | It shows up under the System.out tag now. |
| 21:02.03 | chouman82 | i added android.permission.RECEIVE_BOOT_COMPLETED |
| 21:02.04 | jasta | fadden: yeah i know, its just still not a good way to do debugging :) |
| 21:02.24 | chouman82 | but still see nothing |
| 21:02.52 | tomgibara | silly question, did you reboot the emulator? |
| 21:03.20 | chouman82 | umm would that be the same as just reloading the app? |
| 21:03.26 | tomgibara | no :) |
| 21:03.27 | chouman82 | from eclipse |
| 21:03.39 | chouman82 | how can i reboot from adb? |
| 21:03.55 | tomgibara | The only thing I know to do is close the emulator and restart it |
| 21:04.31 | tomgibara | The only boot code I wrote worked first time, so I've never needed to investigate further |
| 21:04.41 | chouman82 | i see |
| 21:05.04 | chouman82 | ok well let me try to restart it |
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| 21:06.12 | Terdhex | does anyone know how to modify th file init.rc? |
| 21:06.32 | jasta | Terdhex: modify the system image, then boot the emulator |
| 21:07.10 | Terdhex | where in the system image can I find init.rc |
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| 21:08.31 | jasta | tools/lib/images/system.img |
| 21:08.41 | jasta | err, thats not what you asked :) |
| 21:08.59 | jasta | init on android is /system/init, iirc. |
| 21:09.05 | Terdhex | ok. cool |
| 21:09.11 | Terdhex | thanks |
| 21:09.12 | jasta | just open it up and look. you'll find it. |
| 21:09.14 | Terdhex | let me do that |
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| 21:14.02 | chouman82 | msg tomgibara still don't see my logging statements |
| 21:14.08 | chouman82 | ooops |
| 21:14.42 | tomgibara | did you select the emulator within the DDMS perspective? |
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| 21:21.37 | chouman82 | yup |
| 21:22.49 | tomgibara | chouman82: Then I don't have any more suggestions |
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| 21:29.33 | mpardo | what's the maps intent? |
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| 21:30.04 | mpardo | jasta: you probably know |
| 21:33.24 | jasta | what do you mean by "maps intent"? |
| 21:33.44 | mpardo | i want to start the google map activity |
| 21:33.56 | mpardo | and send it an address to lookup |
| 21:34.23 | jasta | http://code.google.com/android/reference/available-intents.html |
| 21:34.24 | jasta | see geo |
| 21:34.27 | mpardo | k thx |
| 21:35.05 | wastrel | so the g1 doesn't have an accelerometer like the iphone is that correct? |
| 21:35.23 | monteslu | id does |
| 21:35.30 | monteslu | didn't you see larry tossing it up in the air? |
| 21:35.33 | wastrel | no |
| 21:35.37 | wastrel | ok good to know |
| 21:35.44 | wastrel | so we'll get some lighter apps for it eh |
| 21:35.53 | monteslu | look at the video on the g1 site |
| 21:36.01 | monteslu | that demo is near the end |
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| 21:47.35 | Terdhex | Does anybody know how the mechanics of the certificates is going to work with google? |
| 21:47.46 | Terdhex | who certifies the APK's? is there an authority? |
| 21:48.55 | jasta | no idea, although it has been said that self-signed APKs can be loaded freely onto a device |
| 21:49.13 | jasta | so id gues that signing will be done officially by google for apps on the market |
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| 21:49.54 | Biren2 | sd |
| 21:50.36 | Bfxp | hello |
| 21:52.24 | Terdhex | Hi there |
| 21:52.37 | Bfxp | cool |
| 21:52.43 | Terdhex | or private |
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| 22:00.41 | hagna | http://code.google.com/android/samples/ApiDemos/src/com/example/android/apis/view/ImageButton1.html any chance of seeing the layout file for that? |
| 22:01.14 | Cedric2 | I can find it in ApiDemos |
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| 22:01.23 | hagna | Cedric2: lucky |
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| 22:01.48 | xavd | look in <sdk>/samples/ApiDemos/res/layout/image_button_1.xml |
| 22:01.55 | hagna | oh ah I see it |
| 22:02.00 | hagna | thanks |
| 22:02.28 | hagna | also on that geo command it only follows my new fixed coordinate once is that normal behavior? |
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| 22:04.29 | xavd | Did you create a location listener? (I don't really know that API so I'm not sure) |
| 22:04.51 | hagna | xavd: this happens in google maps not my app |
| 22:04.58 | hagna | or panoramio |
| 22:05.15 | xavd | then I'd say it's not normal |
| 22:05.35 | hagna | ok then I'm doing this |
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| 22:05.45 | hagna | open emulator telnet to the shell |
| 22:05.52 | hagna | geo fix 23 -123.34 |
| 22:05.56 | hagna | observe it moves |
| 22:06.02 | hagna | geo fix 24 24 |
| 22:06.05 | hagna | observe it does not move |
| 22:06.16 | hagna | s/it/blue dot/ |
| 22:06.25 | xavd | let me try |
| 22:06.32 | hagna | thanks |
| 22:07.46 | hagna | ahhh curses it's working |
| 22:08.15 | hagna | well it wasn't working before |
| 22:10.35 | hagna | xavd: huh it works in panoramio too |
| 22:10.47 | hagna | there's a bug in my steps to dup |
| 22:11.56 | xavd | hmm |
| 22:13.52 | xavd | oh, "geo fix 23 -123" is not going to work because its longitude first |
| 22:14.05 | xavd | it seems giving -123 as a latitude breaks things |
| 22:14.56 | hagna | huh ok |
| 22:22.08 | chouman82 | i am having some problem using the callstatelistener |
| 22:22.12 | chouman82 | i meant |
| 22:22.13 | chouman82 | sorry |
| 22:22.19 | chouman82 | PhoneStateListener |
| 22:22.43 | chouman82 | anyone worked with that before? |
| 22:25.37 | kingkung | hey guys |
| 22:25.41 | kingkung | is anyone there? |
| 22:25.43 | kingkung | had a quick question |
| 22:28.38 | plusminus_ | http://picpaste.com/osm_firsttile_success.png |
| 22:29.13 | plusminus_ | avaibale and open source soon |
| 22:29.33 | plusminus_ | http://picpaste.com/thumbs/osm_firsttile_success.1222468155.png |
| 22:29.53 | jasta | kingkung: just ask |
| 22:31.27 | chouman82 | i am having a little problem with the onCallStateChanged in PhoneStateListener |
| 22:31.39 | chouman82 | i extended the PhoneStateListener |
| 22:31.46 | chouman82 | and then overwrite the onCallStateChanged |
| 22:31.52 | chouman82 | and have some logging statement in there |
| 22:32.12 | kingkung | hey guys |
| 22:32.13 | chouman82 | but they never show up when i use telnet to emulate a call to the emulator |
| 22:32.29 | kingkung | it looks like they put the sms/mms storage into a database |
| 22:32.32 | kingkung | smsmms.db |
| 22:32.44 | kingkung | com.android.providers.db |
| 22:33.03 | kingkung | instead of in a content provider, where it was in 0.9 |
| 22:33.27 | kingkung | how do i access a .db file... just type in the path name into openOrCreateDatabase()? |
| 22:34.42 | jasta | kingkung: you almost certainly do not have access to that database |
| 22:34.56 | jasta | (android uses unix permissions a lot to isolate applications from each other) |
| 22:35.12 | kingkung | so that data is now private?? |
| 22:35.28 | jasta | i dont know what they did with the SMS inbox in 1.0 though. you'll want to ask on the groups |
| 22:35.40 | kingkung | i already did |
| 22:35.57 | kingkung | that's the response that i got (the smsmms.db file) |
| 22:36.44 | kingkung | why is android turning into j2me |
| 22:38.41 | jasta | uhh, hardly |
| 22:38.53 | jasta | google's having a little growing pains as it branches out into a type of project never handled by the company before |
| 22:38.57 | jasta | but it's hardly a j2me |
| 22:39.31 | jasta | they are backpedaling a lot of features as they near their deadline, but that's not to say they won't appear in sooner-than-you-think future versions |
| 22:42.16 | kingkung | i've seen no documentation nor release notes about this issue, nor in the APIDiffs |
| 22:43.14 | kingkung | how did they go from completely open platform to not being able to access SMSs? |
| 22:43.37 | kingkung | isn't that like basic functionality for mobile phones? |
| 22:47.17 | kingkung | i know winmo allows you to do that |
| 22:49.15 | jasta | there's a lot of things i'd call "basic" that they missed. |
| 22:49.25 | jasta | but again, i do think you're overreacting some :) |
| 22:49.35 | jasta | here's for 1.1 |
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| 22:54.41 | chouman82 | hey jasta, have you worked with phoneStateListener |
| 22:54.42 | chouman82 | ? |
| 23:05.45 | chouman82 | anyone has worked on PhoneStateListener? |
| 23:06.40 | f00f- | once long ago chouman82 |
| 23:07.25 | f00f- | here's a basic one that'll work best on actual devices: |
| 23:07.30 | f00f- | protected PhoneStateListener psl = new PhoneStateListener() { |
| 23:07.30 | f00f- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.30 | f00f- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.30 | f00f- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.30 | f00f- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.32 | f00f- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.09 | f00f- | i miss android coding |
| 23:16.43 | chouman82 | ummm what about onCallStateChanged? |
| 23:17.15 | chouman82 | i can't get it to work right |
| 23:17.15 | chouman82 | i overwrite it |
| 23:17.15 | chouman82 | and entered some logging statemtn |
| 23:17.15 | chouman82 | but nothing is been printed |
| 23:18.23 | f00f- | do you have the permission |
| 23:18.41 | f00f- | although i don't know if permissions are checked like that |
| 23:19.09 | f00f- | a la ACCESS_NETWORK_STATE |
| 23:19.13 | f00f- | but for ^^ |
| 23:21.46 | chouman82 | yea it's kinda weird |
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| 23:29.06 | jasta | yawn |
| 23:33.40 | jasta | chouman82: call state changes look like they are for outgoing call monitoring |
| 23:33.42 | jasta | not incoming calls |
| 23:34.01 | jasta | (sorry if that's off topic, i only briefly glanced at the backlog) |
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| 23:46.37 | chouman82 | oh reall? |
| 23:46.50 | chouman82 | no it's not off topic at all |
| 23:46.55 | jasta | well yes, look at the possible changes it can undergo. what do those tell you? |
| 23:46.59 | chouman82 | i am looking to get both incoming and out going call |
| 23:47.28 | jasta | incoming call would be a broadcast intent, i'd bet. |
| 23:47.31 | chouman82 | well from the logcat, i see that both when u pick up an incoming phone call or make an outgoing phone call |
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| 23:47.41 | ttuttle | Ooh, ooh, I know! |
| 23:47.48 | jasta | well, it was just a guess. i haven't attempted what you're doing yet. |
| 23:47.56 | ttuttle | For outgoing calls, catch the OUTGOING_CALL broadcast intent. |
| 23:48.00 | chouman82 | i see the emulator prints out call state ringing |
| 23:48.08 | ttuttle | Or maybe it's NEW_OUTGOING_CALL. |
| 23:48.17 | chouman82 | wat about incoming? |
| 23:48.31 | chouman82 | i thought we can just use the onCallStateChanged in PhoneStateListener |
| 23:48.56 | chouman82 | because in there there are 3 states (CALL_STATE_IDLE, CALL_STATE_OFFHOOK, CALL_SATE_RINGING) |
| 23:49.28 | chouman82 | and i see that CALL_STATE_OFFHOOK "supposedly called" both when answer incoming or making outgoing call |
| 23:49.33 | chouman82 | at least that's wat i see from logcat |
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| 23:53.04 | chouman82 | wat's the url thats used to paste code? |
| 23:54.16 | ttuttle | pastebin.com |
| 23:54.16 | jasta | pastebin? |
| 23:54.18 | ttuttle | or dpaste.com |
| 23:54.24 | chouman82 | pastebin |
| 23:54.25 | chouman82 | thanks |
| 23:54.27 | chouman82 | alright hold on |
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| 23:58.31 | chouman82 | http://pastebin.com/m5a821fff |
| 23:58.40 | chouman82 | that's the log that i gor from logcat |
| 23:59.17 | chouman82 | so on line 8 it identifies it as an incoming call |
