| 00:00.19 | fadden | cakoose: that's the agreement -- print, sign, snail-mail or e-mail a PDF |
| 00:00.27 | mib_iq2axm | hey - it downloaded! |
| 00:00.45 | vol | andyross: I'm not entirely sure. Someone else is handling android stuff for now; I'm stuck on another project for the next week. It seems like a thread may not be respecting a blocking function of some sort |
| 00:00.58 | vol | in any event, it's just crashing, and since it's done through JNI we can't use gdb |
| 00:01.12 | vol | this is from a rather mature codebase, so... |
| 00:01.15 | mattl | ralpht: let me see if i can get a free java 5. |
| 00:01.28 | cakoose | fadden: The page says I can either send it by snail-mail, e-mail, fax, or sign it electronicaly. |
| 00:01.42 | fadden | vol: gdb can be used on the device, though it's tricky (client/server setup) |
| 00:01.44 | vol | we do have a logger, except that it runs as another thread, so using it may mask other concurrency issues (and didn't really help us with this issue so far) |
| 00:01.47 | cakoose | fadden: I asked on the mailing list and someone said there is a form where you type "I agree" into a text box and submit. |
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| 00:02.22 | fadden | cakoose: can't help you there; maybe someone else knows. |
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| 00:02.47 | vol | fadden: is gdb usable via JNI? I wouldn't think so. |
| 00:02.53 | tmccrary | Does anyone know how the cpu performance with the G1 is? |
| 00:03.12 | fadden | vol: I'm not sure what you mean by "usable via JNI" |
| 00:03.15 | vol | would we pretty much have to create a static executable, and do gdb that way, and just pretend like we wouldn't be using jni? |
| 00:03.45 | fadden | You run gdbserver against the appropriate binary on the device, then use the "gdbclient" alias on the workstation side. |
| 00:03.55 | tmccrary | Android runs purely in interpreted mode on the G1 with android right? |
| 00:03.58 | tmccrary | no JIT or anything? |
| 00:04.05 | fadden | tmccrary: no JIT at this time |
| 00:04.16 | vol | is it possible to launch binaries from the menu? I thought you pretty much had to have SOME java in there |
| 00:04.23 | vol | also, there's no framebuffer access |
| 00:04.30 | tmccrary | fadden: thanks |
| 00:04.36 | fadden | vol: app binary is "app_process" |
| 00:04.44 | vol | orly? |
| 00:04.51 | tmccrary | How is floating point performance on the G1? Any kind of benchmark like "Pentium 90" or ? |
| 00:04.53 | spearce | we believe "the webkit issue" has been resolved by rewriting the webkit import to be based upon a nightly build tarball |
| 00:04.54 | fadden | As in /system/bin/app_process |
| 00:05.09 | fadden | tmccrary: floating point is done in software, so it's fairly miserable. |
| 00:05.11 | vol | fadden: is there any documentation you can point me towards? |
| 00:05.40 | fadden | vol: not that I'm aware of -- native stuff wasn't officially supported, so it's not officially documented. |
| 00:05.44 | fadden | However... |
| 00:05.46 | vol | yeah, that's what I figured |
| 00:06.00 | fadden | "adb forward tcp:5039 tcp:5039" sets up port forwarding |
| 00:06.15 | fadden | "adb shell gdbserver :5039 --attach <pid>" sets up the device side |
| 00:06.43 | fadden | and, in theory, after you ". build/envsetup.sh && lunch 1", you can just "gdbclient" to kick things off. |
| 00:07.08 | fadden | It's entirely possible none of this works right now, since it depends upon the existence of gdbserver on your device and some configuration stuff on the workstation side. |
| 00:07.12 | fadden | But there's hope. :-) |
| 00:07.14 | vol | fadden: do you work for google and/or htc? |
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| 00:07.47 | fadden | vol: yes. Of course, my views are my own and don't necessarily represent thos of my employer, blah blah blah. |
| 00:08.05 | vol | I know, but we're trying to actually find an engineer to talk to us who isn't going to talk down to us and tell us to rewrite everything in java |
| 00:08.42 | tomgibara | I've just spent several hours dipping in and just browsing the source code here and there before downloading it... it's simply beautiful. |
| 00:08.43 | fadden | I do think Dalvik is wonderful, but I'm somewhat biased in that regard. |
| 00:08.44 | tmccrary | fadden: doh, thanks for the info. Looks like software skinning for models is out :( |
| 00:08.51 | vol | oh, I do too :) |
| 00:09.00 | vol | I've found developing for it delightful, what little I've actually done |
| 00:09.20 | vol | however, my company has a pretty mature mobile app that we'd like to try and keep as intact as possible |
| 00:09.38 | vol | so if we can actually port it to android without spending 6 months rewriting the UI... |
| 00:09.47 | fadden | drops a note on somebody about something |
| 00:09.55 | jham___ | xl0: Do you have everything building locally yet? |
| 00:10.21 | DannyB | vol: so spend all your time making a C to dalvik converter :) |
| 00:10.38 | hackbod | vol, support for native code is something that will happen hopefully later than sooner |
| 00:10.38 | vol | DannyB: there is a very painful, thedailywtf.com worthy story behind words like that. |
| 00:10.50 | ewon | so the question is, can I write C for android devices yet? |
| 00:11.01 | vol | suffice to say my company has been soured on java for a very good reason. |
| 00:11.08 | DannyB | because it's java? |
| 00:11.09 | hackbod | however, because -all- of the frameworks are written in java, it will really only be useful for purely computational tasks |
| 00:11.15 | hackbod | ewon, not yet |
| 00:11.23 | ewon | is a games dev, and hasn't written any java since college |
| 00:11.45 | vol | no, because we basically hired someone to try and port our C app to Java, and they did that by more or less copy/pasting everything and tweaking it until it compiled |
| 00:11.55 | DannyB | haha ha |
| 00:12.03 | vol | 2 years later, a tremendous turd was still being polished before the plug was pulled |
| 00:12.04 | hackbod | to write an android app, you will need to have java code that is there to interact with the platform |
| 00:12.11 | fadden | vol: I imagine you could replace the individual with a sufficiently motivated tool. |
| 00:12.19 | tmccrary | wow, you sounds like a company with AMAZING management |
| 00:12.30 | vol | fadden: well, the individual was released |
| 00:12.32 | vol | back into the wild |
| 00:12.42 | vol | once it became apparent that he really wasn't cutting it |
| 00:12.49 | ewon | heh |
| 00:12.53 | cakoose | Android has process isolation, so it shouldn't be too hard to support native code apps. |
| 00:12.58 | tmccrary | yeah, that must have made it crystal clear: cover our ass and blame the tools |
| 00:13.05 | tmccrary | It's what any good workman would do |
| 00:13.15 | hackbod | cakoose, that is certainly part of the design :) |
| 00:13.19 | DannyB | vol: catch and release eh |
| 00:14.32 | michaelnovakjr | 6.9 million iPhones... |
| 00:14.40 | vol | in any event, we decided that rather than spend years trying to port our codebase, and have to deal with two seperate trunks, it's just simpler to keep one codebase that gets maintained |
| 00:15.08 | vol | the trunk works for WinCE, Symbian, Windows, Linux/Unix, why bother changing the language |
| 00:15.39 | vol | so, we want to create a port for android, except that we don't want to spend 6 months rewriting UI code and such, especially since we've made pretty heavy improvements to our UI in the last year or so |
| 00:15.55 | fadden | vol: UI is framebuffer based? |
| 00:15.56 | cakoose | hackbod: Any reason why native code isn't supported yet? I guess binary compatibility is more painful with native code... |
| 00:15.57 | DannyB | it is unlikely you will b able to really write UI code from C/C++ in android son |
| 00:16.00 | vol | fadden: yes |
| 00:16.07 | vol | yeah, therein lies the problem. |
| 00:16.10 | DannyB | simply becaues the framework is all in java |
| 00:16.19 | hackbod | cakoose, yeah binary compatibility is the biggest issue |
| 00:16.36 | vol | the idea was that we either try and get framebuffer stuff working, or maybe draw to a canvas and pass it back to the java app |
| 00:16.42 | hackbod | our effort for 1.0 had to be entirely on the Java SDK, we didn't have time for anything else |
| 00:17.00 | vol | the company is just frankly too small to worry about making another codebase |
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| 00:17.56 | vol | anyway, it'd be nice to have a java product, but that's frankly unlikely to happen |
| 00:17.58 | DannyB | vol: making a framebuffer UI render to something in java shoudn't be that hard |
| 00:18.11 | vol | DannyB: no, it shouldn't. Framerate may be an issue |
| 00:18.30 | DannyB | it's pretty well accelerated if you aren't doing wild math to make your ui :) |
| 00:18.37 | vol | er... |
| 00:18.40 | vol | whistles |
| 00:18.47 | vol | it's not really wild |
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| 00:18.54 | vol | but, it's not trivial |
| 00:19.11 | fadden | So long as you don't use floating point or, well, divide integers, you're good. :-) |
| 00:19.13 | vol | anyway, fadden, thank you for the gdbserver suggestion |
| 00:19.36 | fadden | I'm always happy to provide false hope. :-) |
| 00:19.56 | tmccrary | so doing things like power of two divide optimizations probably make sense with android? |
| 00:20.20 | fadden | tmccrary: I'm pretty sure javac will do those for you if you're dividing by a constant. |
| 00:20.53 | fadden | Actually... maybe not. |
| 00:21.29 | enf | is pretty sure it won't, since it doesn't work right on negative numbers |
| 00:21.42 | fadden | Oh, right. |
| 00:21.46 | tmccrary | we're currently planning porting our game engine over and retargeting our eclipse tools to support android |
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| 00:21.59 | fadden | So yes, divide-with-shift is a good plan. |
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| 00:30.04 | cakoose | Are the contributor instructions on the website complete? I tried doing a "repo upload" and was asked for a password. I'm not sure what password it's asking for. |
| 00:31.02 | spearce | cakoose: the password for your google account, whose email address matches the email address you configured when you ran "repo init" |
| 00:31.45 | cakoose | Oh wow. After I went to 'http://review.source.android.com/' and signed in, everything started working for me. |
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| 00:32.27 | cakoose | spearce: The instructions should probably be updated to tell people to go to review.source.android.com. |
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| 00:32.50 | cakoose | spearce: This also fixed my problem with not being able to sign the contributor agreement online. |
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| 00:33.22 | spearce | cakoose: noted. we'll try to get the documentation site clarified soon. |
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| 00:36.20 | rwhitby | works out how to git reset --hard HEAD in .repo/manifests to pick up the webkit fix ... |
| 00:36.29 | andyross | OK, unboxing my phone. Problem #1 is that the phone has a non-standard interconnect (!@#!, but a flame war for a different day) and the charger in the box is a vanilla mini-USB plug that is worthless without an adapter. I can charge off a PC USB port for now, but has anyone else had this problem and managed to get a working charger? |
| 00:36.53 | fadden | Huh? |
| 00:36.57 | ahaberlacho | Huh? |
| 00:37.02 | andyross | The charger plug doesn't fit the phone. |
| 00:37.10 | ahaberlacho | Double-Huh? |
| 00:37.14 | fadden | Turn it the other way? Seriously, it should fit. |
| 00:37.35 | fadden | My wife is currently using a charger from a Motorola RAZR (long story). |
| 00:37.50 | andyross | On a G1? It's a nonstandard plug... |
| 00:38.08 | jham___ | andyross: The port on the phone will accept mini-USB chargers |
| 00:38.10 | gdsx | andyross: it should work |
| 00:38.15 | ahaberlacho | Think of it as USB++. It's got some additional wires and features, but plain old min-USB should work. |
| 00:38.42 | gdsx | ahaberlacho: is that the same as ++USB? |
| 00:38.57 | rwhitby | depends when you read it |
| 00:39.03 | ahaberlacho | gdsx : Depends on when you read the value. |
| 00:39.18 | rwhitby | ahaberlacho: snap |
| 00:40.09 | gdsx | ahaberlacho: well, when should I use the USB++ adapter, and when should I use the ++USB one? I mean, an assembly line is sort of like a for loop. Which one do you think HTC is using? |
| 00:42.47 | rwhitby | type "make" on the android source to see whether it will build without any errors. |
| 00:43.01 | rwhitby | s/type/types/ |
| 00:43.17 | rwhitby | spearce: thx for the webkit fix |
| 00:43.43 | spearce | rwhitby: so that worked for you? |
| 00:44.11 | fadden | On a multi-core machine, "make -jN" might be a good idea. |
| 00:44.14 | rwhitby | spearce: repo sync completed, so I expect so |
| 00:44.19 | fadden | (pick a nice value for N) |
| 00:44.41 | rwhitby | only has a single 2.6G P4 to throw at it at the moment. |
| 00:44.47 | spearce | rwhitby: good. repo sync has pretty decent error checking, so its either successful, or it dies with nasty messages |
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| 00:45.18 | rwhitby | build/core/find-jdk-tools-jar.sh: line 5: [: too many arguments |
| 00:45.18 | rwhitby | build/core/host_java_library.mk:28: *** multiple target patterns. Stop. |
| 00:45.20 | rwhitby | Hmm. |
| 00:45.35 | rwhitby | goes Makefile spelunking |
| 00:46.21 | rwhitby | aha, no error checking on a missing javac. |
| 00:46.50 | cakoose | Has any non-Google person been able to get 'repo upload' working? |
| 00:47.19 | jham___ | cakoose: xl0 submitted some patches |
| 00:47.56 | fadden | (winning a place in history) |
| 00:48.24 | rwhitby | has a patch ready for find-jdk-tools-jar.sh for a useful error message ... |
| 00:51.14 | cakoose | When I try "repo upload" I get a "Login failure" message. |
| 00:51.50 | cakoose | I'm able to browse the Gerrit site with that username/password, though. |
| 00:54.30 | swetland | is it a googleapps/domains account? |
| 00:54.39 | swetland | (not an @gmail.com account) |
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| 00:56.33 | fadden | rwhitby: http://source.android.com/known-issues now has your missing-javac note |
| 00:56.52 | rwhitby | edits find-jdk-tools-jar.sh to cause a better error message:make: *** No rule to make target `Please-install-JDK-5.0,-update-12-or-higher,-which-you-can-download-from-java.sun.com', needed by `out/target/common/docs/framework-timestamp'. Stop. |
| 00:57.06 | rwhitby | fadden: want the patch? |
| 00:57.54 | rwhitby | works out how to contribute a patch ... |
| 00:59.41 | yakischloba | Has the webkit onslaught subsided yet? |
| 00:59.48 | gdsx | yakischloba: there's a fix |
| 01:00.16 | yakischloba | Ahh. I see in the topic now. My client cuts off after the first line by default ;) |
| 01:00.59 | gdsx | yakischloba: the topic needs to be updated, actually |
| 01:01.07 | gdsx | jbailey: *poke* |
| 01:02.08 | gdsx | yakischloba: if you look at the known-issues doc, though, it tells you how to get webkit now |
| 01:02.18 | yakischloba | gdsx: yeah I saw, thanks. |
| 01:02.21 | gdsx | cool |
| 01:02.23 | umdk1d3 | the topic might also mention that personal builds cant be flashed to the G1 right now |
| 01:02.28 | yakischloba | rofl |
| 01:02.37 | yakischloba | I don't know why everyone comes in here thinking that they can |
| 01:02.50 | yakischloba | or even wondering |
| 01:03.28 | wastrel | so how many porting efforts have been announced? |
| 01:03.31 | tethridge | any of you guys familiar with maven? |
| 01:03.39 | tethridge | I'm trying to install five into the emulator |
| 01:03.41 | tethridge | http://pastebin.com/d6f169d9 |
| 01:03.49 | tethridge | I'm getting that error |
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| 01:04.50 | cbeust_ | Five uses Maven to build?!? |
| 01:06.13 | tmccrary | is JIT compilation something that is planned for the near future? |
| 01:06.15 | umdk1d3 | tethridge: did you add it to tools/lib/framework.aidl ? |
| 01:06.27 | umdk1d3 | "parcelable org.devtcg.five.service.CachePolicy; |
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| 01:06.53 | tethridge | yes. let me verify it is still there |
| 01:07.18 | tethridge | does it need to be in a specific position? |
| 01:07.35 | Dougie187 | tethridge: what are you running into with installing it in the eumlator? |
| 01:07.52 | tethridge | check out my pastebin above |
| 01:07.52 | Dougie187 | tethridge: i added it to the end. |
| 01:07.53 | umdk1d3 | i dont think order matters, mine is at the bottom |
| 01:08.00 | tethridge | mine was at the bottom |
| 01:08.27 | Dougie187 | one sec |
| 01:08.35 | Dougie187 | .i think this might be the issue i was getting before but im not sure. |
| 01:08.37 | mattl | anyone had any success building on java 6? |
| 01:08.57 | fadden | Java 6 should work -- we explicitly --target 1.5 in the build system. |
| 01:09.21 | marcone | Java 6 works. I'm using it on Hardy. |
| 01:09.21 | Dougie187 | tethridge: what shell are you in? |
| 01:09.28 | mattl | marcone: openjdk? |
| 01:09.29 | tethridge | bash |
| 01:09.34 | tethridge | I'm using ubuntu 8.04 |
| 01:09.45 | Dougie187 | ok, i think you have to have the ANDROID_SDK variable set in sh. |
| 01:09.48 | Dougie187 | try this. |
| 01:09.54 | Dougie187 | well.. go into sh. |
| 01:10.02 | Dougie187 | then do export ANDROID_SDK=... |
| 01:10.05 | Dougie187 | and try it again. |
| 01:10.10 | marcone | You have to be careful with Java 6 though, since it differs slightly in the way @Override is handled. We've had a few build breakages because of that in the past. |
| 01:10.24 | yakischloba | hi Dougie187. Pretty loco in here today :( |
| 01:10.25 | cakoose | swetland: (Sorry, afk) Yeah, it's a googleapps/domains account. |
| 01:10.27 | tomgibara | Can anyone with a phone tell me whether you can use launch applications during an incoming phone call without unlocking the device? |
| 01:10.36 | Dougie187 | yakischloba: hey, yeah i know. source does that to people |
| 01:10.37 | mattl | Dougie187: is this to get it to compile using OpenJDK? |
| 01:10.51 | Dougie187 | mattl: no? |
| 01:10.52 | yakischloba | Dougie187: can't wait til it dies down (or I find that this becomes too much and leave) |
| 01:11.05 | spearce | cakoose: swetland is offline right now. we know "repo upload" doesn't like a googleapps/domains account right now, so as a work-around until we get it fixed we are suggesting that people open a gmail.com address or use a non googleapps/domains account. |
| 01:11.17 | spearce | its high on the priority list to work on this week |
| 01:11.18 | gdsx | yakischloba: it'll die down |
| 01:11.20 | Dougie187 | yakischloba: heh yeah, it will eventually die down. Inital buzz is everything. Remember back when the G1 was announced? |
| 01:11.33 | tethridge | Dougie187, ls $ANDROID_SDK shows the contents of the sdk directory |
| 01:11.37 | yakischloba | yeah. Unfortunately a lot of those people stayed :/ |
| 01:11.44 | Dougie187 | tethridge: in sh or in bash? |
| 01:11.57 | mattl | fadden: hm. make: *** No rule to make target `build/core/api/current.xml', needed by `out/target/common/obj/PACKAGING/checkapi-last-timestamp'. Stop. |
| 01:12.08 | tethridge | oh, let me go to sh |
| 01:12.12 | tethridge | I was still in bash |
| 01:12.24 | cakoose | spearce: Ah, ok. I can wait. |
| 01:12.29 | Dougie187 | tethridge: im also not sure this is your issue, thats just what i ran into. |
| 01:13.13 | fadden | mattl: dunno |
| 01:13.17 | Dougie187 | yakischloba: true, but most of them left. and the ones who stayed are mostly quiet. heh |
| 01:13.32 | tethridge | Dougie187, I'm getting the same error |
| 01:13.58 | yakischloba | Dougie187: bleh. we'll see. Isn't quite as homely as it used to be. |
| 01:14.32 | Dougie187 | tethridge: you still in sh? |
| 01:15.07 | tethridge | yes |
| 01:15.20 | Dougie187 | and your $ANDROID_SDK is set right? |
| 01:15.24 | tethridge | yes |
| 01:15.29 | Dougie187 | hmm. |
| 01:16.00 | Dougie187 | aidl works right? |
| 01:16.12 | tethridge | http://pastebin.com/d56e7af63 |
| 01:16.32 | tethridge | I'm not familiar with how to use aidl |
| 01:17.03 | Dougie187 | well you can just type it to see if it works. |
| 01:17.04 | tethridge | I've added the line to the bottom of the framework.aidl as the install docs state though |
| 01:17.17 | Dougie187 | can you post the last bit of that framework file? |
| 01:17.24 | tethridge | sure |
| 01:17.25 | Dougie187 | just the last couple lines. |
| 01:18.36 | tethridge | Dougie187, http://pastebin.com/d32bf086f |
| 01:19.39 | Dougie187 | what happens if you run the command from five-read-only instead of five-music? |
| 01:19.47 | Dougie187 | err. five-client |
| 01:21.46 | tethridge | it seems to be doing more |
| 01:21.57 | Dougie187 | is it still going? |
| 01:21.59 | Dougie187 | or did it break? |
| 01:22.00 | tethridge | yes |
| 01:22.20 | tethridge | it gave the same error |
| 01:22.24 | tethridge | let me pastebin |
| 01:22.27 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 01:22.56 | Dougie187 | and you did all the other stuff in his INSTALL right? |
| 01:22.59 | tethridge | http://pastebin.com/d4bbd12e3 |
| 01:23.03 | tethridge | yes |
| 01:23.13 | tethridge | I'm not completely clear on the stuff with masa and maven |
| 01:24.08 | tethridge | I downloaded masa-project-1.0 |
| 01:24.16 | Dougie187 | yeah, ionno. i just installed it the other day. |
| 01:24.39 | tethridge | then I ran the mvn install |
| 01:24.44 | tethridge | it said it was successful |
| 01:24.50 | Dougie187 | the long one? |
| 01:24.54 | Dougie187 | or just mvn install? |
| 01:25.01 | tethridge | the long one |
| 01:25.01 | gdsx | tethridge: success is relative ;o) |
| 01:25.06 | gdsx | tethridge: (ignore me :o) |
| 01:25.13 | tethridge | then I cd'ed into mas and ran mvn install |
| 01:25.23 | tethridge | gdsx, will do. :-) |
| 01:25.30 | Dougie187 | did you just check out his source? |
| 01:25.39 | tethridge | that said it was also successful |
| 01:26.27 | tethridge | I read the readme in masa and it said to run the install script included in the maven-android project |
| 01:26.39 | tethridge | I'm not sure where that script is |
| 01:26.39 | Dougie187 | yeah |
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| 01:26.42 | Dougie187 | oh. did you check out the masa source? |
| 01:26.49 | tethridge | yes |
| 01:26.58 | tethridge | that readme is in the root dir |
| 01:27.00 | Dougie187 | then you go into masa-read-only and do ./install.sh |
| 01:27.19 | Dougie187 | http://code.google.com/p/masa/wiki/GettingStarted |
| 01:27.24 | Dougie187 | you wanna follow that until step 5 |
| 01:27.32 | tethridge | ok, maybe that is the problem |
| 01:27.38 | tethridge | I don't see install.sh |
| 01:27.42 | tethridge | just install.bat |
| 01:27.52 | tethridge | let me look over that wiki |
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| 01:28.02 | Dougie187 | http://masa.googlecode.com/svn/trunk |
| 01:28.07 | Dougie187 | thats what you checked out right? |
| 01:28.18 | tethridge | I don't think so |
| 01:28.28 | tethridge | http://masa.googlecode.com/svn/tags/masa-project-1.0/ |
| 01:28.31 | Dougie187 | ok, well i think thats what yo uwant. |
| 01:28.39 | tethridge | let me do that |
| 01:28.41 | Dougie187 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.42 | Dougie187 | here |
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| 01:29.26 | tethridge | do I need to run the install as root? |
| 01:29.39 | Dougie187 | no |
| 01:29.42 | Dougie187 | just ./install.sh |
| 01:29.44 | Dougie187 | then mvn install |
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| 01:30.37 | tethridge | ok, it says build successful |
| 01:30.41 | Dougie187 | ok. |
| 01:30.45 | Dougie187 | then go into five. |
| 01:31.05 | Dougie187 | then run your emulator |
| 01:31.16 | Dougie187 | and do the mvn -Dmasa.debug=true install |
| 01:31.53 | rwhitby | Anyone know how to change the email address given to repo init ? |
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| 01:32.00 | tethridge | damn. same error |
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| 01:33.45 | tethridge | MojoExecutionException. What a great exception |
| 01:33.57 | tethridge | oh noes, my mojo |
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| 01:34.28 | Dougie188 | sorry tethridge my comp froze. |
| 01:34.30 | Dougie188 | did that work? |
| 01:34.37 | michaelnovakjr | hey you aren't Dougie187 |
| 01:34.42 | Dougie188 | yeah i know.. |
| 01:34.45 | tethridge | nope, same error |
| 01:34.45 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 01:34.50 | michaelnovakjr | what's up tethridge |
| 01:34.56 | Dougie188 | bust. |
| 01:34.57 | tethridge | nothing much. u? |
| 01:35.02 | michaelnovakjr | nada |
| 01:35.05 | Dougie188 | hes trying to get five compiled michaelnovakjr |
| 01:35.09 | Dougie188 | give him a hand. |
| 01:35.11 | Dougie188 | im going to bed |
| 01:35.16 | michaelnovakjr | hm, what error are you getting? |
| 01:35.26 | Dougie188 | ill talk to you guys later. |
| 01:35.29 | Dougie188 | have a good night. |
| 01:35.31 | Dougie188 | good luck tethridge |
| 01:35.32 | tethridge | I've got the server working, but I'm getting a mojo error. Let me pastebin |
| 01:35.34 | tethridge | thanks |
| 01:35.39 | Dougie188 | np |
| 01:35.40 | Dougie188 | see ya |
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| 01:35.50 | michaelnovakjr | sure |
| 01:36.03 | tethridge | http://pastebin.com/d21c4a9d6 |
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| 01:37.52 | tethridge | michaelnovakjr, what do you think is wrong? |
| 01:38.30 | michaelnovakjr | looking at it now |
| 01:39.33 | michaelnovakjr | i'm rebuilding my copy |
| 01:39.46 | unix_infidel | Stopped by a T-Mobile store today and talked to a manager. Said he's gotten little to no interest in the G1 so far. |
| 01:40.11 | tethridge | unix_infidel, where is that at? |
| 01:40.17 | unix_infidel | texas. |
| 01:40.35 | tethridge | do you guys have 3g in your market? |
| 01:40.52 | tethridge | damn, the sabres just be the bruins |
| 01:40.54 | unix_infidel | tethridge: you kiddin' me. AT&T has it's headquarters here. |
| 01:41.10 | unix_infidel | T-Mobile made a huge 3G push here to compete. |
| 01:41.18 | tethridge | well, tmo doesn't have a lot of 3g areas |
| 01:41.27 | tethridge | I'm surprised that they don't have 3g in the raleigh, nc area |
| 01:41.44 | unix_infidel | tethridge: check out 3G coverage in texas, it's in virtually every major city. |
| 01:41.52 | soduko | how good is the G1 wihtout 3G, |
| 01:42.08 | tethridge | soduko, it will work at edge speeds |
| 01:42.15 | gdsx | soduko: it works pretty well, just slow |
| 01:42.48 | gdsx | of course, it still does wifi |
| 01:42.52 | tethridge | I hope somebody comes out with an updated browser. Maybe opera will release a version for android |
| 01:42.59 | soduko | there is no 3G in my area, and teh signal strength test based on zipcode shows avg of 2 bars |
| 01:43.09 | michaelnovakjr | without 3G any data phone kinda sucks |
| 01:43.15 | tethridge | I can't stand the zoomed in by default. I really wish it would zoom out when it initially loads the page |
| 01:43.18 | michaelnovakjr | try using the iPhone without 3G, its slow as hell |
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| 01:44.19 | unix_infidel | michaelnovakjr: most iPhone users are non 3G users. |
| 01:44.19 | michaelnovakjr | btw, iPhone 3G sales this quarter are 6.9 million |
| 01:44.19 | tethridge | it's slow. My buddy has an iPhone and for most things it takes forever |
| 01:44.19 | jasonchen | for those of you using Maps with your app, be advised: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-android-maps-api-terms-of-service.html |
| 01:44.19 | tethridge | he has the non-3g version |
| 01:44.36 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 01:44.49 | michaelnovakjr | i do most without 3G, but some things like last.fm are really only good on 3G |
| 01:44.55 | michaelnovakjr | which is really fast |
| 01:45.11 | michaelnovakjr | tethridge: did you run the mvn install first? |
| 01:45.49 | tethridge | yes. I did the long mvn install string from the install file and then I did it for the masa source |
| 01:46.21 | unix_infidel | of course 3G is faster and nice to have. But remember, the iPhone was hailed as the most innovative device of the 21st century (so far) without 3G speeds. |
| 01:46.33 | rwhitby | finds ~/.gerrit_cookies is a good file to remove if you want to change the email you use for repo upload. The email itself is in ~/.gitconfig as normal. |
| 01:46.59 | michaelnovakjr | yea, git controls the email and name |
| 01:47.01 | michaelnovakjr | its standard |
| 01:47.14 | michaelnovakjr | you should be able to run the git command to update it |
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| 01:47.24 | michaelnovakjr | tethridge: do you have an emulator running? |
| 01:47.29 | tethridge | yes |
| 01:47.39 | tethridge | I ran it from the command line using "emulator" |
| 01:47.46 | rwhitby | fadden: I can't seem to repo upload, even typing I AGREE in to http://review.source.android.com/hello for two different non-google-apps-for-domains addresses (one of which is a @gmail.com address) |
| 01:48.04 | michaelnovakjr | ok, bare with me, i have to update all my stuff, i haven't been working from this machine |
| 01:48.09 | michaelnovakjr | i want to see if i can reproduce this |
| 01:48.14 | rwhitby | fadden: is this a known problem? I only saw above a problem for google apps for domains addresses |
| 01:48.17 | michaelnovakjr | i am at a new revision than before |
| 01:48.23 | tethridge | ok |
| 01:48.31 | tethridge | I'll go get another beer. :-) |
| 01:48.37 | michaelnovakjr | tethridge: contributing code? |
| 01:49.30 | soduko | incidentally, is this a good place to recruit developers for a Free[ libre] app ? |
| 01:49.34 | fadden | rwhitby: I don't know. One of the advocates (jasonchen) or gitophiles (spearce) may know. |
| 01:49.59 | michaelnovakjr | soduko: what kind of app? |
| 01:50.33 | umdk1d3 | holy crap /me watches server melt |
| 01:50.43 | michaelnovakjr | what server? |
| 01:50.44 | rwhitby | fadden: here is the patch: http://pastebin.ca/1233389 |
| 01:51.26 | soduko | CBT, computer based training.. think of it as impress+quiz at its core. the final app has many more uses. but this is the core |
| 01:51.42 | tethridge | michaelnovakjr, maybe. I have a huge music collection. 125GB. I told jasta I would help test. |
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| 01:52.03 | michaelnovakjr | cool, i'm in the process of porting the server over to windows |
| 01:52.12 | michaelnovakjr | and then mac |
| 01:52.19 | dzo | Hi, anybody else getting "java.lang.RuntimeException: Couldn't find doclet DroidDoc" when compiling the framework docs? |
| 01:52.23 | tethridge | I may make some changes so that it doesn't require the gui |
| 01:52.25 | gdsx | rwhitby: known problem |
| 01:52.34 | michaelnovakjr | tethridge: the server? |
| 01:52.38 | tethridge | yes |
| 01:52.45 | soduko | impress is the Open Office equivalent of PowerPoint.. just in case it needs to be told |
| 01:52.47 | tethridge | jasta said it would require some minor changes |
| 01:52.51 | michaelnovakjr | yrea |
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| 01:52.53 | fadden | rwhitby: it needs to go through the machinery. If the machinery isn't working we need to fix that first. |
| 01:52.56 | michaelnovakjr | nothing overkill |
| 01:52.58 | rwhitby | gdsx: yes, I know it's a known problem - it's attributed to me on the known problems page. This is a patch to fix the known problem. |
| 01:53.01 | soduko | michaelnovakjr: interested? |
| 01:53.02 | tethridge | I don't have X installed on my server |
| 01:53.07 | michaelnovakjr | tethridge: is that so you can start it from the command line? |
| 01:53.11 | fadden | I'll ping somebody. |
| 01:53.13 | rwhitby | fadden: fair enough |
| 01:53.15 | gdsx | rwhitby: aah, oops :o) |
| 01:53.16 | tethridge | yes |
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| 01:53.42 | michaelnovakjr | tethridge: interesting, not a bad idea |
| 01:53.53 | michaelnovakjr | soduko: don't really have too much time |
| 01:53.59 | michaelnovakjr | soduko: working on a few projects |
| 01:54.02 | soduko | :)thanks |
| 01:54.29 | rwhitby | fadden: the email address I am using for repo upload is in the signed-off-by in the patch if that helps track down the problem. |
| 01:54.51 | rwhitby | and the @gmail.com account can be guessed from my first and last name with a dot between. |
| 01:54.59 | rwhitby | both fail on repo upload. |
| 01:55.38 | fadden | ok |
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| 01:57.23 | Socceroos | jasonchen: I can't create a navigation system using the Maps API? |
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| 01:58.13 | Socceroos | jasonchen: but if I create a 'friend finder' application, can I have this 'friend finder' help me get to the location of the friend? |
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| 01:58.59 | neerhaj | is the Android Market open to developers for uploading apps ? |
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| 02:00.49 | waldo_ | .... so.. what was the first commit? :) |
| 02:01.24 | mattl | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.40 | michaelnovakjr | typo |
| 02:01.41 | gdsx | waldo_: #include fixes |
| 02:01.43 | michaelnovakjr | in a comment |
| 02:01.48 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 02:01.52 | waldo_ | ah... cool |
| 02:01.59 | michaelnovakjr | just kidding |
| 02:02.01 | michaelnovakjr | didn't read the log |
| 02:02.06 | waldo_ | spelling error? ;) |
| 02:05.32 | gdsx | waldo_: no. #include fixes |
| 02:05.40 | gdsx | waldo_: this was one of them: http://git.source.android.com/?p=platform/external/srec.git;a=commitdiff;h=05dfb904c5be6385a3a6f8a271659d68341d267f |
| 02:05.43 | waldo_ | gdsx yeah yeah I got it I was joking |
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| 02:06.46 | waldo_ | ah this must've come out of people having problems compiling in different OSes huh |
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| 02:09.22 | swajak | Wooo compiling 2gb |
| 02:09.36 | unix_infidel | anyone else finding that they keep on hitting the end button to quit an application? |
| 02:10.11 | tethridge | anybody want to get out of their sprint contract? http://gizmodo.com/5066750/sprint-finally-pro+rating-early-termination-fees |
| 02:10.16 | tethridge | nice |
| 02:14.06 | tmccrary | mine expired in july :) :) :) |
| 02:14.26 | tmccrary | I don't hate sprint though, if they had a Android variant I'd stay with them |
| 02:14.36 | docpaul | tmc: isn't that in the works? |
| 02:14.51 | docpaul | i was hoping some might have some insight into that very topic |
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| 02:15.22 | summatusmentis | tmccrary: I like my sprint contract :) |
| 02:15.29 | tmccrary | The only thing I've found out is that they're part of the android industry group |
| 02:15.44 | tmccrary | but then again, pretty much every company in technology is |
| 02:15.46 | summatusmentis | tmccrary: rumor has it there will be one by Q1 of next year? I think? |
| 02:15.57 | tmccrary | yeah I read that, but can't find anything to back it up |
| 02:16.09 | waldo_ | So I'm learning everything I can here about Android... I don't see anything about cron... if you wanted to write an alarm clock or have Activities launch/killed/etc. at a particular time... how's that done? |
| 02:16.09 | tmccrary | it would kind of suck to switch and then a month later have sprint come up with something |
| 02:16.18 | tmccrary | especially since sprint has the better network, at least for my area |
| 02:16.34 | summatusmentis | tmccrary: me too. That and SERO is why I'm with them :) |
| 02:16.42 | Disconnect | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.02 | tmccrary | in the detroit area, it's verizon and sprint |
| 02:17.16 | tmccrary | verizon is atrocious, sprint is okay though |
| 02:17.31 | tmccrary | like all mobile phone companies, they are fucking terrible |
| 02:17.36 | ttuttle | HEh. |
| 02:17.41 | tethridge | I saw on engadet that they are supposed to have an android phone out by the end of 2008 |
| 02:17.42 | ttuttle | All phone companies suck, some just suck less. |
| 02:17.45 | tmccrary | yep |
| 02:17.59 | Disconnect | verizon even works underground on metro here (DC) got an exclusive a LONG time ago and kept it |
| 02:18.04 | tmccrary | you basically pick the best of the worst |
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| 02:18.17 | tethridge | http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/17/t-mobile-g1-said-to-be-landing-october-17th-sprint-android-phon/ |
| 02:18.37 | summatusmentis | tethridge: they don't really say where they got that though |
| 02:18.40 | ttuttle | Any news on WebKit? |
| 02:19.24 | tethridge | I know |
| 02:19.29 | tethridge | I'm hoping |
| 02:19.36 | benley | ttuttle: I got farther with the terminal-based ssh client |
| 02:19.41 | tmccrary | I'm just gonna bite the bullet and switch |
| 02:19.48 | tmccrary | if I have to pay a termination fee later, so be it |
| 02:19.48 | benley | ttuttle: need to rebuild the terminal app with Internet permission, which I can actually do now that I have the source :) |
| 02:19.59 | Disconnect | benley: when you do post it up |
| 02:20.01 | ttuttle | benley: Nice. |
| 02:20.03 | Disconnect | i'll host if you need :) |
| 02:20.13 | ttuttle | Disconnect: I'm sure he can host it. |
| 02:20.18 | tmccrary | cool, a terminal, that's first on my list when I get my G1 :) |
| 02:20.25 | tmccrary | is there an ssh implementation for android? |
| 02:20.31 | tmccrary | I guess I should google first |
| 02:20.39 | swajak | yes |
| 02:20.42 | ttuttle | benley: So are you just installing dropbear? |
| 02:20.46 | swajak | they included openssh |
| 02:20.58 | tmccrary | hell yes |
| 02:21.04 | tmccrary | my beat is correct |
| 02:21.25 | jasonchen | Socceroos: sorry, just looking at my lastlog--what did you want to know? |
| 02:22.18 | ttuttle | benley: Or are you writing an ssh implementation for Java? |
| 02:22.32 | benley | ttuttle: just installing dropbear |
| 02:22.48 | ttuttle | benley: will this work for everyone? |
| 02:22.54 | ttuttle | benley: like can you make an apk? |
| 02:23.05 | benley | ttuttle: I doubt it, since it relies on native code |
| 02:23.08 | ttuttle | benley: Awww. |
| 02:23.14 | benley | ttuttle: i.e. you'll have to have an unlocked bootloader |
| 02:23.14 | ttuttle | benley: Someone needs to write a really good Java SSH client. |
| 02:23.18 | ttuttle | benley: /me <3 his G1. |
| 02:23.27 | ttuttle | benley: Deep in my heart, I hope someone figures out how to unlock them. |
| 02:23.28 | benley | ttuttle: or at least the ability to write arbitrary executables to /data, which should suffice |
| 02:23.39 | benley | ttuttle: me too :) |
| 02:23.48 | waldo_ | Tmobile is the least evil imo. |
| 02:24.04 | ttuttle | waldo_: Yeah. Worst network on average though. |
| 02:24.13 | waldo_ | they unlock your phones, they weren't involved in that screwed up FISA domestic spying stuff like AT&T was |
| 02:24.26 | waldo_ | ttuttle well they're relatively new. |
| 02:24.29 | ttuttle | waldo_: Yeah. |
| 02:24.38 | yakischloba | is glad to live in metro seattle where service should be good |
| 02:24.41 | waldo_ | they have GREAT customer service too |
| 02:24.46 | gdsx | benley: uhh... what? |
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| 02:24.59 | waldo_ | and hell, they're also debuting the g1! |
| 02:25.11 | waldo_ | so no cron on android huh? |
| 02:25.21 | solca | hey guys, it is possible to upload native binaries or libraries to android and write a client that use it from the UI? |
| 02:25.41 | waldo_ | tmccrary-- you asked about ssh-- there is definitely an ssh client... runs fine on the emluator.. let me find the link |
| 02:25.43 | gdsx | solca: not yet; folks are actively working on a native app development kit |
| 02:25.46 | solca | or everything has to be bytecodes |
| 02:25.50 | solca | java |
| 02:25.53 | waldo_ | wait swajak-- openssh is built-in? |
| 02:26.28 | solca | gdsx: but what about when you need some functionality that is not present in the SDK? |
| 02:26.29 | swajak | developers mentioned it in video... probably not built-in, they took from it, at least |
| 02:26.32 | gdsx | benley: native code doesn't have anything to do with the bootloader. you basically install it like any other app (which isn't actually supported right now, since there's as yet no good way to figure out what hardware a native package is for) |
| 02:26.48 | gdsx | solca: I'm confused |
| 02:27.01 | benley | gdsx: oh that's it? I thought there wasn't a good way to get a binary someplace you can execute it without being root. |
| 02:27.02 | gdsx | solca: do you have a more specific example of what you mean? |
| 02:27.04 | waldo_ | swajak I used the one called "Connectbot" |
| 02:27.06 | benley | gdsx: ok, I can do this then :) |
| 02:27.18 | benley | so yeah, I can whip up an apk |
| 02:27.19 | gdsx | benley: again, it's not supported, yet, but it should work |
| 02:27.22 | unix_infidel | youtube videos only play widesreen? |
| 02:27.36 | gdsx | unix_infidel: if you mean "landscape", then yes |
| 02:27.43 | waldo_ | swajak: check out http://code.google.com/p/connectbot/ -- the code runs fine in the emulator, but it does not support sshkeys |
| 02:28.03 | solca | gdsx: lets say that I want to write a aircrack-ng client, I need the binaries that run on bare metal but with a nice gui |
| 02:28.10 | benley | connectbot is pretty weak right now - if you slide the screen closed, it drops your connection |
| 02:28.12 | PoohbaLT | i don't like this "lip". makes it hard to type |
| 02:28.27 | waldo_ | benley is there an alternative? |
| 02:28.28 | solca | obviously the binaries have to put the wifi in monitor mode |
| 02:28.43 | waldo_ | benley I need sshkeys anyway... i hate passwords blah |
| 02:28.44 | benley | waldo_: not that I know of, aside from my in-progress dropbear ssh hack |
| 02:29.03 | swajak | walkdo oops, openssl was the one i heard. my bad. |
| 02:29.08 | swajak | waldo_* |
| 02:29.19 | gdsx | solca: basically, one problem (there are likely others I'm not aware of) is that currently, there's no way to tell which device(s) a native app supports |
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| 02:29.29 | waldo_ | benley dropbear is in c, ya? |
| 02:29.35 | benley | waldo_: yes |
| 02:29.51 | waldo_ | benley so what UI does it run in? |
| 02:29.59 | benley | waldo_: the terminal client from ze dev tools |
| 02:30.04 | gdsx | solca: so it should work, as long as you can get it to work. It is, however, not supported right now, and future changes may break progress that you make working on native stuff right now |
| 02:30.19 | benley | waldo_: I just need to get the terminal app rebuilt with "Internet" permissions, which it normally lacks |
| 02:30.29 | waldo_ | benley I didn't realize there was a terminal client... shows how much I've paid attention... |
| 02:30.39 | Disconnect | connectbot never prompts me for password :( |
| 02:30.46 | ttuttle | benley: regular ssh works for me with ze dev tools. |
| 02:30.53 | solca | gdsx: but if I used armv4 that should not break future devices (as long as they are arm) |
| 02:31.28 | benley | ttuttle: you are clearly not running the normal user image :-P |
| 02:31.41 | ttuttle | benley: Nope. San sent me an eng build ;-) |
| 02:31.46 | rwhitby | ttuttle: webkit has been fixed in the manifest |
| 02:31.48 | benley | ttuttle: yeah, that's where I took the ssh binary |
| 02:32.02 | ttuttle | rwhitby: Yay. Can you tell me the new URL or whatever? |
| 02:32.09 | gdsx | solca: but how is anything to know that you've only used armv4 instructions? |
| 02:32.28 | rwhitby | ttuttle: repo sync should get an updated manifest and then use a tarball mirror |
| 02:32.29 | Disconnect | (and if the connectbot author is looking, you prolly already noticed that the 'cancel' and 'save' edit host buttons are offscreen in landscape mode) |
| 02:32.53 | rwhitby | or go into .repo/manifests and "git pull" |
| 02:33.00 | gdsx | benley: see other irc |
| 02:33.11 | rwhitby | ttuttle: http://source.android.com/known-issues |
| 02:33.25 | benley | suspects he's going to be scolded now |
| 02:33.26 | waldo_ | what is "ze dev tools"? |
| 02:33.47 | yakischloba | benley: agreed. stop teasing us with the shit only you guys have ;) |
| 02:34.15 | solca | gdsx: if my app targets arv4 that would be safe, I think even armv6 is the minimum for android |
| 02:34.28 | waldo_ | only like four references to "ze dev tools" on google.. hmm |
| 02:34.28 | swajak | average compile time for the 2gb source, anyone? |
| 02:34.33 | unix_infidel | yakischloba: heh, they've been teasing us for about 6 months now :-P |
| 02:34.43 | solca | gdsx: but yeah I see the point, there is now way to tell |
| 02:35.28 | waldo_ | anyone? ze dev tools? huh? |
| 02:36.26 | gdsx | solca: ::nod:: |
| 02:36.29 | Disconnect | waldo_: its probably "the dev tools" |
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| 02:36.42 | gdsx | solca: there are folks working on the problem, though |
| 02:36.56 | Disconnect | bedtime out here tho, PT at ungodly oclock. ttyl! |
| 02:37.09 | waldo_ | disconnect: if that's the case.. I don't see any standalone terminal in the sdk tools directory... hmmm... I know the emulator has some kind of console output.... but you couldn't run SSH in there... |
| 02:37.59 | solca | gdsx: excellent! hopefully their solution will be blessed by google though |
| 02:38.11 | gdsx | solca: no, by "folks" I mean "folks on the team" |
| 02:38.52 | solca | gdsx: folks in the upstream android team? |
| 02:39.36 | ralpht | how do i update repo? I get a message "A new version of repo is available" on repo sync. |
| 02:40.03 | waldo_ | hmm |
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| 02:40.50 | gdsx | solca: yes, Google engineers |
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| 02:41.05 | gdsx | ralpht: cp .repo/repo/repo ~/path/to/repo |
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| 02:51.17 | ralpht | gdsx: wasn't it, but cd .repo/repo; git pull seemed to update repo (thought i'd tried that...) |
| 02:52.13 | gdsx | ralpht: hmm... it should auto-update itself when you do `repo sync` |
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| 02:52.49 | ralpht | gdsx: i may have had a change on one of its files (i modified one just now trying to fix it and then checked it out again -- but i thought i did repo sync before then...). |
| 02:53.00 | gdsx | ::shrug:: |
| 02:53.08 | gdsx | anyway, I'm off. good luck |
| 02:53.18 | rwhitby | ralpht: git reset --hard HEAD in the right repo can fix that |
| 02:54.45 | ralpht | rwhitby: thanks, i'm learning git today it seems :). |
| 02:54.49 | umdk1d3 | romainguy: you around? ;) |
| 02:55.25 | rwhitby | ralpht: yes, it will be interesting to see the effect Android has on git developer skills |
| 02:56.10 | xl0 | jham: Yes, it builds fine now. |
| 02:56.20 | ralpht | rwhitby: it's something i've always meant to look at, but never had the motivation to do until today. |
| 02:59.02 | wastrel | git developer skills? |
| 02:59.46 | benley | ya like nunchuck skills |
| 02:59.51 | benley | also, |
| 02:59.52 | benley | sleeps |
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| 03:06.00 | rwhitby | wastrel: well, developer git skills I guess would be a better way to say it |
| 03:06.45 | jasta | tethridge: ? |
| 03:07.06 | waldo_ | watching my friend unbox his on skype.. I'm such a dork |
| 03:07.18 | waldo_ | he wants to know-- let battery charge before starting up the first time? |
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| 03:08.04 | rwhitby | waldo_: no-one can ever wait that long |
| 03:08.11 | waldo_ | Hah |
| 03:08.13 | waldo_ | that's what I said |
| 03:08.36 | umdk1d3 | ooh |
| 03:09.01 | remote | I'm reading "Interested in working on a speech-recognition library?" on the front page but it's the only page refering to "speech recognition", does anyone know if there is speech recognition code inside android? |
| 03:09.12 | waldo_ | manual's not too helpful... it doesn't say... excep tthat it's not "fully charged" when youg et it... |
| 03:09.40 | unix_infidel | is surprised one of the first apps in the store wasnt an onscreen keyboard. |
| 03:09.47 | unix_infidel | erm...marketplace. |
| 03:10.14 | romainguy | umdk1d3: yo |
| 03:10.32 | romainguy | unix_infidel: I don't see how you can write an onscreen keyboard as an app without framework support |
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| 03:12.58 | unix_infidel | havent looked enough at the framework to see if there's a global cache of system generated events to trigger off of. |
| 03:13.21 | unix_infidel | but, given the above, i'm guessing there's no such thing :-P |
| 03:13.31 | romainguy | we're working on soft keyboard |
| 03:13.40 | remote | speech recognition? |
| 03:13.44 | jasta | yawn |
| 03:14.20 | Socceroos | jasonchen: sorry, i was out on lunch break - I was basically asking if its OK to create a 'Friend Finder' using the Maps API and have it help you get to your friends location. |
| 03:14.58 | Socceroos | without it being in breach of the ToS |
| 03:15.52 | unix_infidel | romainguy: i never doubted that. honestly, if it hadnt been done by now, there was probably a good reason for it. |
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| 03:17.38 | waldo_ | Socceroos I think they changed hte TOS |
| 03:17.39 | waldo_ | today |
| 03:18.29 | unix_infidel | 20:44 <@jasonchen> for those of you using Maps with your app, be advised: |
| 03:18.29 | unix_infidel | http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-android-maps-api-terms-of-service.html |
| 03:18.34 | unix_infidel | indeed they did. |
| 03:18.37 | waldo_ | there ya go |
| 03:20.34 | ivan | just when you think that you'll be able to do something without google knowing where you are |
| 03:20.39 | ivan | your dreams are shattered |
| 03:23.53 | rwhitby | manages to do an upload: http://review.source.android.com/1205 |
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| 03:30.10 | chrismurf | Is this an appropriate place for stupid user questions? |
| 03:30.27 | chrismurf | Or is this meant for developer-only chat. |
| 03:30.45 | zhobbs | anything android related |
| 03:30.59 | wastrel | anything remotely connected to a google product or service |
| 03:31.02 | chrismurf | :-) |
| 03:31.16 | chrismurf | In the Android browser, how does one do a click + drag |
| 03:31.45 | chrismurf | it keeps panning the page -- I want it to operate the underlying javascript (traffic map drag in this case) |
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| 03:34.45 | ivan | i would guess that it is impossible unless the page supports the ontouch events |
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| 03:35.27 | i8860054_ | wow, you just got to love Eric Schmidt |
| 03:35.58 | i8860054_ | Obama backer babay! http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081021/pl_politico/14803 |
| 03:36.33 | chrismurf | ivan: ontouch? as compared to onmousedown? |
| 03:37.06 | jasonchen | Socceroos: i believe the ToS specifically prohibit providing turn-by-turn navigation |
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| 03:39.15 | ivan | chrismurf: dunno |
| 03:39.18 | Socceroos | yeah, but then it allows a 'friend finder'..... does that mean i'm allowed to 'find' my friend with rudimentary navigation? |
| 03:39.24 | ivan | i'm hoping the implementation will be mobilesafari compatible |
| 03:39.37 | Socceroos | jasonchen: ^ |
| 03:40.27 | jasonchen | Socceroos: by "friend finder" we mean apps that show you locations of other people imposed over a MapView |
| 03:40.42 | jasonchen | which i believe the old ToS did not actually allow |
| 03:41.00 | Socceroos | jasonchen: ah, ok. |
| 03:41.02 | jasonchen | looks for the relevant bits of the ToS |
| 03:42.31 | muthu_ | did the market launch when i was sleeping :) |
| 03:42.43 | jasonchen | Market is up for users to download apps |
| 03:42.47 | jasonchen | it has been since about Monday |
| 03:42.53 | muthu_ | how about developers? |
| 03:42.57 | jasonchen | not yet |
| 03:43.08 | muthu_ | jasonchen: any timeline? |
| 03:43.27 | jasonchen | more details on that coming in the morning |
| 03:43.34 | muthu_ | great |
| 03:43.38 | jasonchen | (PDT, of course) |
| 03:43.44 | muthu_ | oh yeah |
| 03:43.47 | ttuttle | jasonchen: /me is excited. |
| 03:44.07 | muthu_ | let /me then go build my app |
| 03:44.19 | muthu_ | not tested yet on G1 |
| 03:44.23 | Laz | Has anybody found the desktop source yet? |
| 03:44.27 | ttuttle | muthu_: do you have one? |
| 03:44.34 | muthu_ | ttuttle: can you test it now? |
| 03:44.37 | ttuttle | muthu_: I can test for you. |
| 03:44.47 | muthu_ | ok mail me.. muthu.ramadoss at gmail |
| 03:44.51 | muthu_ | i'll send you the apk |
| 03:44.51 | ttuttle | muthu_: I'm on the phone right now but I can do it in a little while. |
| 03:44.57 | muthu_ | great, thx |
| 03:45.06 | rwhitby | notes that his patch at http://review.source.android.com/1205 was reviewed within 5 minutes of being contributed - that's a good sign. |
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| 03:45.21 | rwhitby | morrildl: hey - congrats on the release. |
| 03:45.39 | morrildl | rwhitby: thanks |
| 03:45.57 | morrildl | went up to 3rd & Market for the brick-and-mortar event :) |
| 03:45.59 | rwhitby | looks like it works better than my IRC bot for filling the channel .. |
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| 03:46.38 | rwhitby | morrildl: so I worked out how to fix your build system ;-) http://review.source.android.com/1205 |
| 03:46.45 | morrildl | Meh, Colloquoy doesn't show channel member count |
| 03:46.50 | morrildl | how many do we have on here? |
| 03:46.53 | rwhitby | 195 |
| 03:47.03 | gdsx | morrildl: how was it? |
| 03:47.04 | morrildl | wow, nice |
| 03:47.09 | morrildl | gdsx: pretty sweet |
| 03:47.12 | gdsx | morrildl: /names |
| 03:48.14 | gdsx | morrildl: any idea how many devices it looked like they ended up selling? |
| 03:48.20 | swetland | yay patches |
| 03:48.37 | rwhitby | swetland: how many patches so far since the release? |
| 03:48.52 | morrildl | gdsx: I couldn't say, I left when they had sold through maybe 5 or 6 |
| 03:48.54 | swetland | I dunno! |
| 03:48.57 | xl0 | rwhitby: I only hope the review time won't increase after the first excitement is over. |
| 03:49.06 | swetland | I asked the gerrit guys to give us a "see all recent patches" view |
| 03:49.14 | gdsx | morrildl: cool |
| 03:49.23 | swetland | xl0: the intent is that this *is* the repository for active development going forward |
| 03:49.26 | rwhitby | swetland: it doesn't seem to show applied ones |
| 03:49.31 | morrildl | gdsx: It's not terribly exciting to watch them sell and activate devices, so I left after the good stuff :) |
| 03:49.33 | swetland | yeah, that was my complaint |
| 03:49.48 | gdsx | morrildl: haha, yeah |
| 03:49.49 | swetland | the repo/gerrit folks got a lot of feedback today and will be tuning and improving stuff this week |
| 03:49.58 | swetland | right now I believe they've all headed home to pass out |
| 03:50.00 | gdsx | "oh man... I can't wait until they get to the paperwork!" |
| 03:50.31 | xl0 | swetland: Well, I've seen "community oriented" projects where patches may stall for months. |
| 03:51.15 | swetland | I think it'll vary by sub-project and team, but the hope is to be reasonably responsive |
| 03:51.38 | swetland | if we can't be responsive, people will just fork |
| 03:51.39 | swetland | or sulk |
| 03:51.41 | swetland | or maybe both |
| 03:51.51 | gdsx | swetland: sulking is more exciting |
| 03:51.54 | romainguy | morrildl: my photos are uploading |
| 03:52.13 | swetland | and if everything goes well, over time the projects will include reviewers/committers from beyond the initial core team, etc, etc |
| 03:52.23 | xl0 | swetland: By the way, is there a way to pull the not-yet-merged stuff? |
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| 03:53.06 | plusminus_ | to contribute to i.e. the German-Translastion is there a need to checkout the whole source, or is there a specific package? (That would be fine for non-coders) Launchpad got a really nice way of doing so. |
| 03:53.39 | morrildl | romainguy: awesome |
| 03:54.25 | swetland | xl0: there is but I don't know what it is |
| 03:54.32 | xl0 | plusminus_: Come on, that's just a few gigabytes... |
| 03:54.37 | swetland | there will be a repo command and also a git:// url |
| 03:55.14 | swetland | but yeah the idea is that anyone who wants to try a submitted patch can pull it down via repo or git to check it out |
| 03:55.32 | plusminus_ | like this:_ https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+translations |
| 03:55.50 | romainguy | I don't think we're ready for submissions for translations yet |
| 03:56.05 | hamdroid | xl0: It can certainly be done (I did it this afternoon to verify the patches that have been submitted) but I can't recall the git magic without my script in front of me |
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| 03:57.39 | romainguy | morrildl: http://flickr.com/photos/romainguy/sets/72157608260694689/ |
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| 03:58.58 | hamdroid | romainguy: I epsecially like http://flickr.com/photos/romainguy/2962793751/in/set-72157608260694689/ |
| 03:59.16 | hamdroid | too bad that one box is upside down |
| 03:59.58 | unix_infidel | crazy line. |
| 03:59.58 | i8860054_ | do you need the phone to download form the market? |
| 04:00.00 | xl0 | hamdroid: You can always photoshop it. |
| 04:00.11 | unix_infidel | hopefully not the case tomorrow in Dallas. |
| 04:01.51 | unix_infidel | heh, depending on your perspective ;-) |
| 04:02.31 | morrildl | hahahahaha |
| 04:02.39 | morrildl | romainguy: you and I took a few very similar photos |
| 04:02.44 | xl0 | Btw, in case Google turns all eevil tomorrow, how hard is it fork the whole project? |
| 04:02.54 | romainguy | morrildl: I wonder why :)) |
| 04:02.57 | morrildl | romainguy: good to know that my instincts are not totally worthless ;) |
| 04:03.14 | romainguy | xl0: what's up with you guys always thinking we're gonna turn evil? |
| 04:03.36 | jasonchen | romainguy: it's the laser... |
| 04:03.38 | i8860054_ | romainguy, google is for the people :P |
| 04:03.44 | jasonchen | always the sharks w/ the lasers |
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| 04:03.54 | morrildl | jasonchen: frickin' laser beams |
| 04:04.03 | xl0 | romainguy: As they say, people trust only in case they don't have to trust. |
| 04:04.38 | xl0 | If repo had a "fork everything" command, probably less people would fear that. |
| 04:04.51 | romainguy | <sigh> |
| 04:05.05 | romainguy | you have all the code under Apache 2, I don't know what else you need to stop fearing :) |
| 04:05.17 | xl0 | s/less/fewer/ |
| 04:05.37 | duey | google is evil don't you read slashdot? |
| 04:05.41 | duey | gees |
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| 04:06.00 | unix_infidel | romainguy: I wouldn't worry too much about the nay-sayers. You guys have put out one of the best most open products in mobile market in a long time. |
| 04:06.21 | rwhitby | isn't 'repo sync' the same as 'repo fork' ? |
| 04:06.30 | xl0 | infobot: Yes, I think I need more sleep. My ingrish is not getting any better this late in the morning. |
| 04:06.31 | infobot | You think I need more sleep. My ingrish is not getting any better this late in the morning.? |
| 04:06.48 | romainguy | I guess we should have a repo gimme-the-source-in-case-teh-google-becomes-teh-Evil :)) |
| 04:07.16 | jbq | uh, isn't that exactly what git does? |
| 04:07.17 | hamdroid | notes that the source is hosted from kernel.org, not google.com |
| 04:07.23 | gobias | ok, i am getting an inconsistency error |
| 04:07.27 | xl0 | Err, that's a bot! ;) |
| 04:07.31 | duey | why is it git |
| 04:07.35 | romainguy | also note that the copyright in the source file is not Google's :p |
| 04:07.39 | duey | i thought google was svn <3 |
| 04:07.51 | gobias | Field android.hardware.SensorManager.LIGHT_NO_MOON has changed value from 0.0010f to 0.001f |
| 04:07.53 | rwhitby | svn is soo yesterday |
| 04:07.53 | romainguy | duey: svn would be... interesting on a project as big as Android :)) |
| 04:07.58 | mowglee | git pull is failing: fatal: Unable to look up android.kernel.org (port 9418) (Name or service not known) |
| 04:08.02 | mowglee | any help |
| 04:08.13 | unix_infidel | rwhitby: lol. |
| 04:08.16 | gobias | i have fixed the java source for the extra decimal place, but no fix |
| 04:08.17 | duey | romainguy, right, I haven't used git so I don't know the advantages/disadvantages |
| 04:08.45 | romainguy | duey: if you look closely, the Android source code is actually split over many different git trees |
| 04:08.49 | rwhitby | git is like a precision kitchen knife. |
| 04:08.50 | romainguy | it's not just one big tree |
| 04:08.53 | romainguy | repo just hides that |
| 04:08.55 | duey | ah ok |
| 04:09.09 | romainguy | but swetland knows a lot more about git than I do :) |
| 04:09.30 | xl0 | And you say Google is not evil? Look at what is has done, this evil machine is going the enslave the humanity!!1 |
| 04:09.37 | duey | i'd hate to be the person who does the build scripts |
| 04:09.40 | xl0 | How the hell did it work anyway?! |
| 04:10.00 | duey | i'd totally be a google slave |
| 04:11.03 | duey | so close to finishing my honours report yay |
| 04:11.09 | duey | holiday! |
| 04:11.16 | mowglee | trying to get the webkit tarball. git pull is failing. any help? |
| 04:11.19 | duey | handing it in and going to australia for a month |
| 04:12.41 | rwhitby | mowglee: git update in .repo/manifests |
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| 04:19.38 | mogli | rwhitby: i am trying git pull in .repo/manifests |
| 04:20.06 | mogli | it is faling to resolve android.kernel.org |
| 04:20.08 | rwhitby | mogli: have you ever used the git:// protocol from where you are before? |
| 04:20.20 | gdsx | mogli: can you ping android.kernel.org? |
| 04:20.44 | mogli | nope |
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| 04:21.22 | rwhitby | mogli: solve that first then |
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| 04:21.46 | rwhitby | if you don't know how, then you need to talk to your network administrator |
| 04:21.52 | plusminus_ | is already the arrival of G1 tomorrow :) |
| 04:23.00 | gdsx | plusminus_: you are the G1! |
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| 04:24.10 | plusminus_ | oops i missed a 'celebrates' in that |
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| 04:30.24 | SanMehat | halo |
| 04:31.39 | summatusmentis | hi SanMehat |
| 04:33.35 | SanMehat | hi man |
| 04:33.38 | SanMehat | how are you doing? |
| 04:35.24 | summatusmentis | I'm doing well enough, I should be doing homework |
| 04:35.59 | xorl | Ello :) |
| 04:37.13 | monteslu | went to pick up my phone from the ups will-call because i missed the delivery |
| 04:37.23 | monteslu | stack of identical boxes from tmobile there :) |
| 04:39.51 | xorl | LOL |
| 04:39.56 | xorl | I am waiting for them to ship mine. |
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| 04:40.13 | xorl | monteslu: What's the procedure for setup like? |
| 04:40.26 | xorl | quick and painless or anoying. |
| 04:40.32 | tweakt | is going to stake out the TMO store later this morning. |
| 04:40.37 | xorl | heh |
| 04:40.40 | xorl | I should have done that. |
| 04:40.53 | mogli | rwhitby: thanks. i has a dns issue and it was faling to resolve android.kernel.org |
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| 04:41.07 | monteslu | xorl, just put in the battery and your sim card and turn it on :) |
| 04:41.24 | mogli | added a couple of open dns ip address and then it started working fine |
| 04:41.37 | monteslu | oh, and put in your google account info |
| 04:42.20 | xorl | monteslu: oh, online, when you got the phone, did it show you your plan upgraded (I am a previous T-Mob customer) funny thing is my contract expired on the 18th lol |
| 04:42.31 | xorl | And the droid came out and I was like "Ugh, ok i'll get it" |
| 04:42.39 | tweakt | lucky u ;-) |
| 04:42.53 | xorl | besides the point, monteslu did you have tmob before? |
| 04:43.58 | monteslu | xorl, yeah my contract expired like 2 years ago, i've been going month to month |
| 04:44.13 | monteslu | been a tmobile customer for about 3 or 4 years |
| 04:44.17 | xorl | same. |
| 04:44.23 | xl0 | Repo does not pull manifests automatically, does it? |
| 04:44.27 | xorl | How much is the unlimited web+unlimited messages for you? |
| 04:44.43 | monteslu | 25 or 35 for unlimted text |
| 04:44.48 | DarkriftX | so.. how much fun is eveyrone having with the source tonight? |
| 04:44.50 | xorl | 35? |
| 04:44.51 | romainguy | xorl: $25 for unlimited both |
| 04:44.51 | monteslu | but I'll never use more than 400 text |
| 04:45.00 | xorl | romainguy: that's what I thought |
| 04:45.08 | xorl | why is it showing 34.99 on my account... |
| 04:45.08 | romainguy | xorl: but I'm not using the G1 plan |
| 04:45.09 | xorl | hmm |
| 04:45.16 | romainguy | because the G1 plan is $35 |
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| 04:45.21 | xorl | $34.99 T-Mobile G1 Unlimited Web + Unlimited Messages |
| 04:45.23 | tweakt | you can upgrade the data plan later, right? |
| 04:45.26 | romainguy | it's because I pay $10 for unlimited messages on 2 lines |
| 04:45.31 | romainguy | and I use an old $20 data plan |
| 04:45.35 | xorl | Ah! |
| 04:45.41 | xorl | That works. |
| 04:46.23 | monteslu | I'm not digging this headphones though, the shoulda included a regular jack |
| 04:46.28 | monteslu | my only complaint |
| 04:46.53 | xorl | ok |
| 04:46.56 | xorl | So, this is awesome. |
| 04:47.11 | xorl | While I had t_mob i had the dreaded iPwn |
| 04:47.37 | monteslu | jailbroken? |
| 04:47.46 | xorl | plan cost me 104/mo for the same service I am getting now from t-mobile WITH a family plan (two lines 1000 text on one, unlimited on the other + unlimited data (g1)) |
| 04:47.51 | xorl | monteslu: Always. |
| 04:48.12 | monteslu | nice |
| 04:48.21 | xorl | http://www.tuaw.com/2007/10/11/ipod-touch-iphone-ramdisks-decrypted/ |
| 04:48.23 | xorl | look for 'xorl' |
| 04:48.23 | xorl | :) |
| 04:48.32 | xorl | I just wasn't jailbreaking them ;) |
| 04:48.52 | rwhitby | DarkriftX: my build is still chugging along |
| 04:49.42 | monteslu | haXX0r |
| 04:49.47 | monteslu | :) |
| 04:49.55 | xorl | I like to hack hardware. |
| 04:49.58 | xorl | It's interesting. |
| 04:50.12 | xorl | But so say we all, that's why I work at qualcomm.... |
| 04:50.19 | xorl | heh |
| 04:50.41 | gambler | I want a phone with one of those 1ghz processors |
| 04:50.55 | xorl | gambler: I could show you some wait, no i can't. haha. |
| 04:50.56 | cbeust_ | In a couple of years |
| 04:51.12 | DarkriftX | nice |
| 04:51.12 | xorl | cbeust_: Don't think so far off. |
| 04:51.23 | xl0 | Does anyone else see random connection resets by peer from random k.org repositories when doing a clean repo sync? |
| 04:51.26 | xorl | iPhones almost 700 Mhz already. |
| 04:51.29 | gambler | I thought qualcomm already was fabbing the chip |
| 04:51.44 | xorl | gambler: They are. |
| 04:51.48 | xorl | And many other things. |
| 04:51.54 | xorl | Well, we are fabless. |
| 04:52.06 | xorl | We are the LARGEST fabless chip manufacturer in the world. |
| 04:52.12 | xorl | lol |
| 04:52.34 | xorl | But that's all public information. |
| 04:52.47 | gambler | amd is going fabless soon i heard |
| 04:52.48 | monteslu | here's the hacking I've done : http://importance.corante.com/archives/004876.html |
| 04:52.49 | xorl | Check out the qualcomm snapdragon |
| 04:52.53 | monteslu | look for ominifuser :) |
| 04:53.01 | monteslu | pretty weak |
| 04:53.19 | monteslu | I like coding, never been much good at decrypting |
| 04:53.30 | xorl | It wasn't so much decrypted. |
| 04:53.42 | xorl | Just a huge ass gaping exploit that apple still can't patch, never will either. |
| 04:53.50 | xorl | <3 hardware. |
| 04:53.51 | monteslu | hah |
| 04:54.42 | rwhitby | xorl: what do you do at Qualcomm? |
| 04:55.18 | xorl | Work in QCT (qualcomm CDMA Technologies) as a Linux Engineer/Software Engineer. |
| 04:55.19 | xl0 | It's like http://zaytsev.su/repo-sync-fail.txt |
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| 04:55.56 | rwhitby | xorl: nice |
| 04:56.18 | xorl | I also develop the internal qbuntu android platforms. heh. |
| 04:56.21 | WildCaterpillar | is there anyway to use the phone WITHOUT a SIM card....i only have one card and I need to copy pictures, music off my old phone |
| 04:56.48 | xorl | Custom in house auto provisioned qualcomm oriented ubuntu distribution, it's nice. |
| 04:56.53 | mattl | hey |
| 04:56.57 | mattl | so, i have things compiled. |
| 04:57.03 | mattl | how do i run something? :) |
| 04:57.13 | xl0 | Hmm. Probably there is need for an #android-dev... |
| 04:57.24 | xorl | xl0: I would suppose. |
| 04:59.25 | mattl | xl0: clean compiled seemed to work on openjdk, except for that bug already reported |
| 05:00.04 | xl0 | mattl: Cool. We need an adnroid wiki I think... |
| 05:00.09 | xorl | heh |
| 05:00.14 | xorl | anddev.org is perfect. |
| 05:00.33 | mattl | yeah. |
| 05:00.42 | xorl | they have a book and everything |
| 05:00.49 | xl0 | Looks pretty scary... |
| 05:01.00 | WildCaterpillar | anyone? can i use the g1 without a sim card...just to access bluetooth...so i can copy from my old phone |
| 05:01.01 | xorl | http://sys-adm.org/img/anddev_mini2.png I made a small little link back image for em |
| 05:01.01 | DarkriftX | i can setup a wiki if you guys think it will get used |
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| 05:01.27 | mattl | i have a bunch of .img files now. is the emulator in here? |
| 05:01.33 | romainguy | WildCaterpillar: is there anyway to use the phone WITHOUT a SIM card.. << you need to go through the setup wizard the first time, but after that you don't need the SIM card |
| 05:01.35 | xorl | need me to buy a domain? |
| 05:01.38 | xorl | I'll grab one. |
| 05:01.44 | DarkriftX | i have a site alread setup |
| 05:01.51 | DarkriftX | just need to install the wiki |
| 05:01.51 | xl0 | DarkriftX: Everyone can, but I'm afraid we need some "official" onw... |
| 05:01.55 | mattl | wiki.android.com now? |
| 05:01.58 | xl0 | *one |
| 05:02.17 | unix_infidel | will G1's be available at T-Mobile resellers? |
| 05:02.30 | xorl | unix_infidel: tommorow they should be |
| 05:02.37 | DarkriftX | probably not many |
| 05:02.44 | summatusmentis | xorl: for resellers? |
| 05:02.45 | unix_infidel | xorl: so anywhere from the wal-mart to the mall reseller? |
| 05:03.04 | xorl | oh n/m not sure. |
| 05:03.12 | romainguy | unix_infidel: it is already :) |
| 05:03.23 | xorl | That probably won't be for a while, outside of their own stuff for a few weeks. |
| 05:03.25 | romainguy | unix_infidel: http://www.flickr.com/photos/romainguy/sets/72157608260694689/ |
| 05:03.26 | WildCaterpillar | romainguy: really? i swear i tried to use it without the sim after registering |
| 05:03.39 | unix_infidel | romainguy: I'm referring to Texas. |
| 05:03.46 | romainguy | unix_infidel: :)) |
| 05:03.52 | unix_infidel | ;-P |
| 05:04.09 | romainguy | WildCaterpillar: what doesn't work without the SIM? |
| 05:04.15 | romainguy | I often use my G1 without a SIM |
| 05:04.17 | romainguy | works fine |
| 05:04.48 | ttuttle | brb |
| 05:04.59 | unix_infidel | I wonder if some stores will open early tomorrow... |
| 05:05.48 | mattl | xl0: can you give me a heads up on running this thing? ./emulator, etc ? |
| 05:06.17 | WildCaterpillar | ok thanks |
| 05:06.25 | swajak | man the tmobile plans are expensive... and you *have* to get a data plan (grr)... i am in wifi ALL day (99.999999% of days) |
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| 05:06.56 | xl0 | mattl: Haven't dote that yet myself. I've built it on a remote server. Fetching to a local laptop now. |
| 05:07.06 | mattl | aha. |
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| 05:09.27 | xl0 | Hmm. On a remote laptop actually. ;) |
| 05:09.57 | xl0 | But it will get local when I get home. ;) |
| 05:10.05 | p1mrx | my AT&T unlimited 3G is $15/month (well, plus the voice plan) |
| 05:10.07 | unix_infidel | swajak: compared to the iPhone / AT&T plans they are pretty much on par with current market rates. |
| 05:10.56 | unix_infidel | then again, I wouldnt compare this device / platform to the iPhone, quite yet. |
| 05:11.01 | romainguy | p1mrx: and + the SMS |
| 05:11.07 | swajak | and you HAVE to lock into the plan for 2 years, i see... |
| 05:11.15 | swajak | or sell your soul |
| 05:11.22 | p1mrx | 200 SMS is $5, I think, but I don't use those. |
| 05:13.24 | xorl | haha |
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| 05:13.30 | xorl | I got the perfect domain, android-help.me |
| 05:13.37 | unix_infidel | p1mrx: i'm seeing the "PDA Personal" plan from att @ 30 a month on top of 39 voice. |
| 05:14.03 | romainguy | hte cheapest voice + unlimited 3G I see at AT&T is $69 |
| 05:14.10 | romainguy | you have to add SMS on top of that |
| 05:14.12 | xorl | yep |
| 05:14.16 | xorl | that's WITHOUT text messages |
| 05:14.29 | romainguy | I pay $55 for everything unlimited with T-Mobile |
| 05:14.40 | unix_infidel | so, I'd say compared to other windows mobile devices and plans it's comparable. compared to the iPhone it's cheaper. |
| 05:14.47 | p1mrx | I pay just over $50 a month to AT&T for 450 minutes + unlimited data. |
| 05:15.15 | unix_infidel | p1mrx: you must be getting some sort of discount, whether % off or grandfathered.... |
| 05:15.38 | muthu_ | ttuttle: sending you the apk |
| 05:15.44 | jasonchen | wished that everyone would just move to using mobile IM instead of SMS |
| 05:16.09 | muthu_ | anyone have 2 mins with a G1 who can run mobeegal? |
| 05:16.18 | languish | my wife & I were using gmail to "IM" since it uses data |
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| 05:16.37 | unix_infidel | jasonchen: SMS is quicker for most. even on 3G mobile IM takes some time negotiating, authenticating, etc. |
| 05:16.47 | languish | but later in the day we went from almost instant replies, to 20 minutes waits for email updates |
| 05:16.52 | languish | -s |
| 05:16.53 | unix_infidel | (I agree wholeheartedly with you though) |
| 05:17.54 | jasonchen | unix_infidel: true. answer is that the networks have to get faster. :-) |
| 05:18.03 | xorl | heh. |
| 05:18.12 | xorl | Well the issue is, if you work with 3G you'd know why it sucks. |
| 05:18.32 | xorl | And why some users get service better than others, and it has NOTHING to do with how close you are to the antenna station. |
| 05:19.00 | jasonchen | xorl: of course not. it has to do w/ both backhaul and air interface bandwidth |
| 05:19.03 | xorl | Although yes, antenna distance does effect it past a certain range, but other than that their are other issues. |
| 05:19.29 | xorl | jasonchen: There are a few other things in there as well, working for qualcomm i've learned of other issues, damn 3G issues. |
| 05:20.53 | jasonchen | xorl: when you say 3G, do you mean UMTS or does this apply to EV-DO too? |
| 05:21.06 | xorl | Not so much an EV-DO issue but yes UMTS |
| 05:21.24 | xorl | UMTS has a few drawbacks, e.g. iPhone/Other Cellular phone/devices. |
| 05:21.43 | xorl | You could theoretically take down an entire 3G network with one cellphone. |
| 05:21.55 | xorl | UMTS that is. |
| 05:21.58 | unix_infidel | jasonchen: well if you end up coming to AndroidDevCamp in Dallas you can talk with the guy involved in creating the UMTS standard ;-P |
| 05:22.16 | jasonchen | xorl: of course someone at qualcomm thinks there's less problems in EV-DO than UMTS :-P |
| 05:22.24 | xorl | jasonchen: hahaha. |
| 05:22.29 | xorl | I didn't develop it :P |
| 05:22.36 | jasonchen | unix_infidel: oh? there's just one guy who did UMTS? |
| 05:22.38 | xorl | But I can pretty much say that I agree with your statement. |
| 05:22.48 | unix_infidel | jasonchen: involved, not responsible for. |
| 05:22.51 | xorl | I would like to say "One Guy" |
| 05:22.54 | rwhitby | jasonchen: I heard it was Al Gore |
| 05:22.59 | xorl | There were a ton of corporations. |
| 05:23.09 | muthu_ | umdk1d3: you there? |
| 05:23.18 | jasonchen | unix_infidel: interesting. who does he work for? |
| 05:23.37 | jasonchen | xorl: no doubt as is the case w/ any sort of standard. |
| 05:23.51 | unix_infidel | jasonchen: he's retired now, I think he's a consultant now. |
| 05:23.52 | xorl | true to the point. |
| 05:24.11 | xorl | I am going to register, androidshelp.me |
| 05:24.22 | xorl | lol |
| 05:24.45 | jasonchen | http://androidhelp.me/you-re-my-only-hope |
| 05:25.01 | rwhitby | reports a successful build of the source release |
| 05:25.06 | swetland | claps |
| 05:25.09 | swetland | how long did it take? |
| 05:25.11 | jasonchen | rwhitby: bravo! |
| 05:25.24 | mattl | i have the emulator running now. all compiled with openjdk :) |
| 05:25.26 | xorl | jasonchen: heh |
| 05:25.34 | xorl | jasonchen: Which one do you think I should get? |
| 05:25.38 | xl0 | rwhitby: Now if you run repo sync, would it fail? |
| 05:25.38 | swetland | quadcore 2.8GHz linux box (macpro) takes me about 15.5 minutes with make -j8 these days |
| 05:25.41 | xorl | androidshelp.me or androidhelp.me |
| 05:25.53 | rwhitby | swetland: just under 2 hours, from wget repo to image |
| 05:25.56 | jasonchen | registers both while xorl dithers :-) |
| 05:26.15 | xorl | haha |
| 05:26.18 | jasonchen | xorl: i think you should get the singular form |
| 05:26.28 | xorl | androidhelp? |
| 05:26.53 | mattl | myandroid.com |
| 05:27.12 | rwhitby | still has android-internals.org and android-linux.org - dunno what to do with the latter. |
| 05:27.20 | jasonchen | xorl: yes. i read it as "android, help me." |
| 05:27.42 | swetland | I need to send a so long and thanks for all the fish mail to linux-msm-kernel |
| 05:27.44 | mattl | rwhitby: point at android.kernel.org |
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| 05:27.48 | swajak | mattl, is the included in the source? |
| 05:27.59 | mattl | swajak: browser, few little apps |
| 05:28.02 | swajak | emulator* |
| 05:28.08 | swajak | sry, is the emulator included* |
| 05:28.26 | rwhitby | mattl: I'd rather just give it to someone who has a good idea of what to use it for. |
| 05:28.41 | rwhitby | (that doesn't involve popup or banner ads) |
| 05:28.49 | mattl | swajak: yes |
| 05:30.40 | mattl | rwhitby: did you get networking in the emulator? |
| 05:31.04 | rwhitby | mattl: haven't done anything with the image yet. need to wait until after real work for that. |
| 05:31.31 | mattl | aha |
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| 05:33.15 | xorl | jasonchen: got it :D |
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| 05:37.49 | WildCaterpillar | ok...i've got an old motorola v600 and i am trying to copy pictures from it to my g1 |
| 05:37.58 | WildCaterpillar | the two phones will pair |
| 05:38.17 | WildCaterpillar | but when i try to "move" a picture, the motrola doesn't list the g1 under "Object Exchange" |
| 05:38.32 | WildCaterpillar | is there a way to look at files on v600 from g1? |
| 05:38.39 | DannyB | are you using bluetooth for this? |
| 05:38.44 | DannyB | or what |
| 05:38.44 | WildCaterpillar | yes |
| 05:39.00 | m1k3l | didi anybody got Android compiled on linux x64? |
| 05:39.07 | DannyB | WildCaterpillar: it won't work |
| 05:39.10 | jasonchen | WildCaterpillar: G1 doesn't support OBEX over BT |
| 05:39.14 | DannyB | right |
| 05:39.20 | WildCaterpillar | oh damn |
| 05:39.28 | WildCaterpillar | is that just a software limitation? |
| 05:39.33 | jasonchen | as i recall, the v600 had a microSD card |
| 05:39.44 | DannyB | WildCaterpillar: yes |
| 05:39.50 | DannyB | ran out of time prior to 1.0 |
| 05:39.55 | DannyB | to get it into good shape and certified |
| 05:40.17 | WildCaterpillar | ok...i might just wait...not like the phone memory is going anywhere |
| 05:40.26 | WildCaterpillar | i'll have to see if there is a microsd card in there... |
| 05:40.44 | WildCaterpillar | oh geez |
| 05:40.48 | WildCaterpillar | sorry that was my OLD phone |
| 05:40.53 | WildCaterpillar | this is a Pebl |
| 05:40.55 | waldo__ | does Android supporta anything over bt? |
| 05:41.02 | waldo__ | support |
| 05:41.07 | mattl | otherwise, bluetooth it to your laptop and use an SD Card on there? |
| 05:41.22 | WildCaterpillar | too bad my damn laptop doesn't support bluetooth |
| 05:41.35 | WildCaterpillar | ...btw, are contacts stored on the phone or in sim card? |
| 05:41.38 | jasonchen | waldo__: see second half of http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-information-on-apis-removed-in.html |
| 05:41.39 | mattl | meh. buy the thing for $20 to do that. |
| 05:41.47 | waldo__ | lookin' thx |
| 05:41.47 | tevans | has the source built.... tomorrow img! |
| 05:41.56 | mattl | tevans: the img is gooooood. |
| 05:42.21 | rwhitby | xorl: repo sync and make succeeds on the second time too - 21 seconds to do a null incremental build |
| 05:42.59 | xorl | rwhitby: not bad |
| 05:43.11 | waldo__ | i see.. so bt headset is supported but not exposed to developers if I understand that riht |
| 05:43.14 | waldo__ | right |
| 05:43.16 | waldo__ | man I can't type |
| 05:43.28 | jasonchen | waldo__: correct |
| 05:43.46 | WildCaterpillar | usually there is an option to store the contact on the phone versus the sim...is everything stored on the phone now? |
| 05:43.50 | WildCaterpillar | and no option to store on sim? |
| 05:44.49 | jasonchen | i believe G1 supports HFP and HSP currently (hands-free and headset profiles) |
| 05:44.57 | ttuttle | back |
| 05:45.09 | muthu_ | ttuttle: tried mobeegal? |
| 05:45.15 | ttuttle | muthu_: Not yet. |
| 05:45.19 | ttuttle | muthu_: I need to install it. |
| 05:45.21 | jasonchen | WildCaterpillar: everything is stored on phone and sync'ed w/ the cloud |
| 05:45.28 | ttuttle | For some reason I couldn't using Gmail, or Gmail in Browser. |
| 05:45.31 | jasonchen | so if you lose your phone, you don't lose your contacts |
| 05:45.36 | muthu_ | ttuttle: np |
| 05:45.43 | muthu_ | have send it to quite a few :) |
| 05:45.53 | mattl | jasonchen: is there a way to sync to non-google? |
| 05:46.04 | WildCaterpillar | but in principle, it is possible to store contacts on the sim (an unwise decision)...just the software doesn't make that possible |
| 05:46.46 | jasonchen | mattl: sure--someone would have to write the program. the data store (called a ContentProvider) for Contacts is open for other apps to use |
| 05:47.03 | jasonchen | mattl: for instance, I think some company has written an Exchange contacts sync app |
| 05:47.06 | mattl | awesome. |
| 05:47.12 | mattl | less-awesome, but heh, okay. |
| 05:47.35 | ttuttle | muthu_: First, get rid of the spaces in the name. They make the "l" wrap on to the next line, and look foolish. |
| 05:47.51 | mattl | cause you just know someone is going to be 'zomfg, googlez is taking my dataas!' |
| 05:48.15 | ttuttle | muthu_: Second, your "zoom in" icon is stretched vertically but not horizontally, distorting it. Also, it is being used improperly, as it doesn't zoom. |
| 05:48.17 | jasonchen | WildCaterpillar: correct. you can import from SIM, but we didn't build storing back to it. |
| 05:48.27 | jasonchen | mattl: if that's the case, you could just disable Contacts sync. |
| 05:48.35 | mattl | right. |
| 05:49.03 | mattl | and someone will write one that syncs to $SERVICE and to $SCP_URL soon enough. |
| 05:49.14 | WildCaterpillar | does anyone use a stylus on teh g1? |
| 05:49.20 | ttuttle | WildCaterpillar: no. |
| 05:49.26 | WildCaterpillar | my thumb skills are quite refined yet |
| 05:49.38 | waldo__ | has anyone written anything to manually import an .ics file (say to export from iCal) |
| 05:49.39 | hamdroid | WildCaterpillar: The capacitive styli are a little awkward |
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| 05:50.10 | waldo__ | or even better would be a sync-to-published-ics via webdav... |
| 05:50.28 | WildCaterpillar | man, i can't wait to write some apps |
| 05:50.28 | jasonchen | waldo__: you could import .ics into Google Calendar and then have it sync down to the phone over our push mechanism |
| 05:50.50 | waldo__ | yeah but I don't use google calendar & I share my published ICS with others... |
| 05:50.54 | waldo__ | on my server |
| 05:51.05 | waldo__ | It would be preferable not to go through google calendar... |
| 05:51.16 | waldo__ | does ical publish directly to google calendar? |
| 05:51.38 | waldo__ | via webcal? |
| 05:51.41 | jasonchen | i use a mac, but have never used ical, so i don't know |
| 05:51.56 | ttuttle | muthu_: You've got some more clumsy UI elements -- tapping the *background* of the main screen, and the sideways scrolling items in the gallery. |
| 05:52.04 | jasonchen | i think Google Calendar support CalDav, so you can import/export from iCal to Google Calendar pretty easily |
| 05:52.07 | waldo__ | ah... it has publish/subscribe where it basically throws the .ics onto a web server via webdav. It also supports caldav |
| 05:52.12 | ttuttle | muthu_: Also, the icon for the gallery button doesn't make sense -- it implies pictures, but you're giving a list of search types. |
| 05:52.28 | waldo__ | but a lot of people use .mac for example.. it would be nice to have full webdav/webcal support |
| 05:52.55 | waldo__ | I BET it wouldn't be hard to write a little something that checks a webdav site every so often.. |
| 05:53.01 | waldo__ | so it could be seamless with ical |
| 05:53.10 | waldo__ | and also .Mac |
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| 05:53.34 | jasonchen | waldo__: remember, though, polling on a mobile network is *expensive* |
| 05:53.48 | WildCaterpillar | does the AIM app log conversations? |
| 05:53.50 | DannyB | and webdav is a massively chatty protocol |
| 05:53.51 | DannyB | :) |
| 05:53.52 | jasonchen | especially hard on battery life |
| 05:54.03 | muthu_ | ttuttle: agree, ui needs some work |
| 05:54.24 | ttuttle | muthu_: It seems to function properly though. |
| 05:54.32 | jasonchen | yah, XML processing is to be generally avoided on a mobile phone, imo |
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| 05:54.46 | waldo__ | jasonchen expensive you mean in battery/cpu? not money... |
| 05:55.14 | wub | hi all :) |
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| 05:55.20 | ttuttle | waldo__: so, on the G1, it wouldn't be expensive for data. but on other carriers it could be. |
| 05:55.22 | Terdhex | anybody else is getting fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly? |
| 05:55.35 | waldo__ | ttuttle-- I see... I'm being selfish :) |
| 05:55.45 | ttuttle | waldo__: Yeah. |
| 05:55.46 | jasonchen | waldo__: yes, power is at a premium on a mobile device |
| 05:56.00 | ttuttle | waldo__: But data usage uses battery, so you want to minimize it anyway. |
| 05:56.05 | rwhitby | Terdhex: if that's repo sync, then run run it again and again until it works. |
| 05:56.16 | waldo__ | Hmm.. well how does google calendar handle calendar updates? I mean, it has to check somehow.. so what's the difference between web/caldev and whaever google uses? |
| 05:56.33 | ttuttle | waldo__: It's push. |
| 05:56.43 | jasonchen | waldo__: ideally, you'd push calendar events down to the mobile client so that you don't have to poll |
| 05:56.43 | ttuttle | waldo__: Try sending yourself an email (if you have a G1). |
| 05:56.52 | jasonchen | which is what we do |
| 05:56.54 | waldo__ | Don't have it yet.. mine comes nov 10 blah |
| 05:57.05 | ttuttle | waldo__: damn. Hopefully they ship early ;-) |
| 05:57.09 | waldo__ | yeah no kidding |
| 05:57.13 | waldo__ | I ordered 2 days too late |
| 05:58.04 | jasonchen | waldo__: we have push infrastructure set up to send down events from the cloud to devices |
| 05:58.07 | waldo__ | I know everyone wants push for iphone and all, but I don't get how push works exactly. doesn't the phone have to "poll" to see if there are new things being pushed? |
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| 05:58.15 | waldo__ | jasonchen-- ah you just answered that |
| 05:58.16 | wub | I'm assuming this channel is for android development mainly. I just got my G1 today and altho I'm a software developer, I'm not working on an app. I'm just looking to overstimulate myself in every geeky way with this device/os. |
| 05:58.25 | waldo__ | wub join the party |
| 05:58.29 | wub | smiles. |
| 05:58.53 | waldo__ | jasonchen-- so could something be done serverside to poll as a proxy for the phone and then push to the phone any changes? |
| 05:59.18 | jasonchen | waldo__: sounds reasonable, if you're proxying for an existing service like you want to do |
| 05:59.22 | waldo__ | ie, can anyone send "push"ed events to the phone? ie, "tell my phone that X event happened" |
| 05:59.46 | jasonchen | waldo__: are you asking if our push infrastructure is open for 3rd party use? |
| 06:00.14 | waldo__ | yeah that sounds like it would save CPU and battery on the phone... would require two parts tho... server soemwhere online and then a phone client... but the phone client can be a lot "dumber" in terms of knowing what webcal is. |
| 06:00.18 | waldo__ | jasonchen yup |
| 06:00.32 | waldo__ | that's waht I'm askin' |
| 06:00.41 | waldo__ | I haven't heard anything about it, honestly... |
| 06:00.48 | jasonchen | waldo__: unfortunately, no it's not available for 3rd party use. |
| 06:01.11 | encontrado | I'm surprised I haven't been able to find a working ssh client, I figured it would be one of the first things geeks would write for android |
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| 06:01.13 | waldo__ | I could see a lot of uses for people who want to offload the CPU or network intensive stuff to a remote machine and just have the phones react to it. |
| 06:01.16 | jasonchen | waldo__: as you can imagine, it's a big challenge to make something like that available and secure. |
| 06:01.19 | waldo__ | encontrado there is one. |
| 06:01.42 | encontrado | waldo__, if you're talking about connectbot, it doesn't run on the G1 |
| 06:01.48 | xorl | wootoff, nice. |
| 06:01.49 | waldo__ | jasonchen yeah I could see the challenge. I'm sure there must be some kind of authentication you could use.. maybe ssh keys or something...? |
| 06:02.02 | waldo__ | encontrado yeah that's what I was referring to... works on the emulator... |
| 06:02.11 | encontrado | well, it runs for a little bit, but there's no visible output. then it crashes |
| 06:02.24 | jasonchen | waldo__: i don't think it's quite that simple, but yeah. |
| 06:02.38 | encontrado | maybe I didn't find a current version? |
| 06:02.39 | waldo__ | jasonchen well I've been thinking about it for a whole 30 seconds ;) |
| 06:03.47 | waldo__ | jason-- so what does google "push"? emails/ims? so ther ewould be a major power savings by using google software rather than 3rd party apps that work on client/server, which would be pretty much everything. |
| 06:03.57 | waldo__ | encontrado the source is available... |
| 06:04.18 | encontrado | yeah, I'll look at it when I get a couple days free |
| 06:04.57 | waldo__ | jason-- well I mean everything where it polls for updates (mail checking, calendar updates, etc) |
| 06:06.03 | wolfmanjm | is there a problem with the repo servers? when I do repo sync I get fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly on many packages even google ones??? |
| 06:07.24 | jasonchen | waldo__: i believe we push mail, calendar, contacts, and im events |
| 06:07.52 | waldo__ | I had heard that IMs somehow were counting as SMS or text messages... is that GTalk only or all of them. |
| 06:08.19 | waldo__ | interesting tho-- it sounds like you're saying google apps have a competitive advantage in terms of power consumption... |
| 06:08.32 | waldo__ | am I misunderstanding? |
| 06:09.25 | waldo__ | I thought Apps were created equal! ;) |
| 06:09.31 | xorl | jsjs |
| 06:09.35 | xorl | haha damn homerow |
| 06:09.36 | jasonchen | waldo__: they have features that would take more work to replicate than just writing client software, that's for sure. |
| 06:09.51 | waldo__ | that's interesting.. |
| 06:10.17 | jasonchen | waldo__: but wouldn't stop you from creating your own push service and infrastructure so that you could do similar things w/ your own apps |
| 06:10.41 | waldo__ | the push service involves a persistant network connection for incoming events? |
| 06:11.18 | waldo__ | jasonchen I dont' mean to keep bothering you-- is the push service discussed anywhere online? |
| 06:12.03 | waldo__ | It seems like someone will come up with a standardized push service for many apps to share.. at least I hoep they will |
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| 06:12.08 | waldo__ | okay gotta go back soon... |
| 06:12.14 | waldo__ | is away: back in 30 mins |
| 06:13.28 | jasonchen | looks for blog post that talked about GTalkService.... |
| 06:13.50 | xorl | you mean why it's not in .9? |
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| 06:14.00 | jasonchen | waldo__: look at: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-information-on-apis-removed-in.html |
| 06:14.05 | jasonchen | xorl: yes, that post |
| 06:14.20 | xorl | jasonchen: eah i read that all over. |
| 06:14.25 | xorl | It makes perfect sense to me. |
| 06:14.32 | xorl | Coming from a systems admin background. |
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| 06:22.58 | xl0 | mattl: Did you solve the LIGHT_ON_MOON problem? |
| 06:23.02 | waldo__ | is away: auto-away |
| 06:25.12 | shoragan | some repos on http://android.git.kernel.org/ seem to be incomplete, is that by design? |
| 06:25.36 | xl0 | shoragan: What exactly is missing? |
| 06:25.53 | shoragan | http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/external/dbus.git;a=blob;f=README;h=ec63a98a9f7d18d6b6edf52cba0c04f7aefaf481;hb=HEAD |
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| 06:26.07 | shoragan | and you can't clone it either |
| 06:26.10 | mattl | xl0: yeah, just hacked the two files manually |
| 06:27.34 | xl0 | shoragan: Looks like a bug indeed. |
| 06:29.33 | swetland | a number of the external repositories are designed to be merged with repositories populated from a tarball of a project |
| 06:29.40 | swetland | repo does this as part of its checkout process |
| 06:30.28 | shoragan | but when anyone pushes to such a repo it will get all missing blobs anyway |
| 06:33.17 | shoragan | you would expect public git repositories to be standalone and cloneable |
| 06:33.52 | WildCaterpillar | app idea: record conversations (when legal...ie when "this call may be recorded for quality assurance) |
| 06:34.08 | tootle | WildCaterpillar: Not possible with current SDK. |
| 06:34.52 | xl0 | mattl: Did you upload the commit? |
| 06:35.06 | mattl | no, let me do that now |
| 06:37.04 | mattl | xl0: git commit -- is that it? |
| 06:38.45 | xl0 | mattl: http://source.android.com/submit-patches |
| 06:38.54 | mattl | got it. |
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| 06:49.06 | mattl | xl0: i hosed the files. how do i get them back? |
| 06:50.06 | xl0 | mattl: What do you eman by "hosed" and "get back"? |
| 06:50.21 | mattl | xl0: deleted them |
| 06:50.25 | mattl | i want to pull them down again |
| 06:50.54 | mattl | oh. i think i did it. |
| 06:50.58 | mattl | git checkout . |
| 06:50.59 | xl0 | mattl: I don't see your commit. |
| 06:51.50 | mattl | doing it now. sorry, new to git :) |
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| 06:54.59 | WildCaterpillar | just tried sending picture via mms to someone....their phone said "One or more of the message components has been deleted by MMS Adaption. Either the message was too large or the components were unsuitable for your terminal." |
| 06:55.06 | mattl | xl0: there now |
| 06:55.07 | WildCaterpillar | this is a razor |
| 06:55.20 | WildCaterpillar | it should be able to handle it right...i clicked "automatically resize" |
| 06:55.30 | WildCaterpillar | is there a "bug" with how much it resizes it? |
| 07:00.27 | mattl | xl0: can you see it? |
| 07:01.12 | xl0 | mattl: I'm getting a "Patch Set 1 is still being uploaded ..." message for some reason.. |
| 07:01.41 | mattl | yeah, weird. |
| 07:01.49 | mattl | especially as its like... tiny. |
| 07:04.15 | gdsx | WildCaterpillar: I've sent an MMS to a friend with a razor before with no issues |
| 07:04.44 | gdsx | WildCaterpillar: it was on pre-production everything, though, so something might have changed since then |
| 07:06.48 | xorl | anyone need a dev PC, woot is sellin a PC for 179 3ghz |
| 07:07.08 | mattl | xorl: URL? |
| 07:07.11 | xorl | ah damn |
| 07:07.13 | xorl | sold out |
| 07:07.17 | mattl | haha |
| 07:07.18 | xorl | that was like not even 45 seconds |
| 07:08.24 | xl0 | mattl: I'd say that definetely something went wrong. You probably want to ping the googlers... |
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| 07:09.21 | mattl | yay i broke google. |
| 07:09.35 | mattl | jasonchen: http://review.source.android.com/r/deec2d9ccac1 << weirdness here. |
| 07:09.47 | mattl | jbailey: http://review.source.android.com/r/deec2d9ccac1 << weirdness here |
| 07:09.54 | mattl | i think that's enough googlers. |
| 07:10.23 | xl0 | I'm not sure what time is it where those googlers live.. |
| 07:10.43 | xorl | 12 an |
| 07:10.44 | xorl | am* |
| 07:11.01 | waldo__ | is back (gone 00:47:59) |
| 07:12.10 | jasonchen | mattl: i'll let the folks working on Gerrit know |
| 07:12.32 | swetland | if you break google, you get to keep both pieces |
| 07:13.18 | jasonchen | you break it, you pay (me) for it |
| 07:15.32 | xorl | haha |
| 07:15.38 | xorl | you mean google ads pays you for it |
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| 07:22.01 | waldo__ | is away: auto-away |
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| 07:30.28 | waldo__ | is back (gone 00:08:27) |
| 07:32.49 | languish | xorl |
| 07:32.54 | languish | check out http://www.wooters.us |
| 07:33.05 | languish | it bongs when an item sells out during a wootoff |
| 07:33.33 | languish | and push updates |
| 07:34.00 | DarkriftX | so languish, still enjoying the G1? |
| 07:34.03 | languish | if I had the time to develop the skills, i'd make a woot tracker for android |
| 07:34.50 | DarkriftX | you seemed a little "on the wall" about it yesterday |
| 07:35.11 | languish | DarkriftX, like I said..mixed feelings. It's android I like. The G1 hardware.. well.. I can live with it.. and I really like the screen slide-out mechanism and the trackball.. but the "chin" and crappy camera annoys me |
| 07:35.34 | languish | the camera *really* needed a flash/led light |
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| 07:36.10 | languish | i tried to take some pics with it in the schoolyard I passed through on my way home tonight |
| 07:36.14 | languish | and there was moderate might |
| 07:36.19 | Lenolium | languish: I agree that the camera is horribad and I was expecting to hate the chin, but it does make it more confortable to hold vertically. |
| 07:36.33 | languish | and it wouldn't even take the shot because it couldn't focus on anything |
| 07:36.52 | languish | the chin makes more sense if the camera was worth using |
| 07:37.05 | _avatar | although it could look better, i think the device is very well constructed. it feels really solid |
| 07:37.08 | languish | but without the camera being decent, the chin is just an annoyance |
| 07:37.10 | _avatar | which is more important to me than looks |
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| 07:37.22 | languish | avatar, I'm not complaining about the looks |
| 07:37.34 | _avatar | oh, i know, i'm just chiming in with my own opinions :) |
| 07:38.16 | languish | the g1 feels good in my hand, except for when typing.. my right thumb has to stretch when I have it in a comfortable position |
| 07:38.22 | languish | and that's getting old fast |
| 07:38.51 | languish | i like it enough not to return it. but I will replace it when a suitable device comes out |
| 07:39.22 | languish | though, I may stick with android |
| 07:39.31 | languish | so make that a suitable android device |
| 07:39.33 | languish | :| |
| 07:39.53 | languish | it's too bad the touch pro doesn't have the compass |
| 07:39.58 | languish | or the trackball |
| 07:43.16 | Terdhex | anybody having trouble with clearsilver when compiling the src code? |
| 07:45.04 | DarkriftX | good to hear languish |
| 07:45.28 | DarkriftX | i hate devices with a crappy camera, might as well not put one at all |
| 07:45.49 | DarkriftX | im glad you like android, as thats what im really interested in |
| 07:46.07 | DarkriftX | the g1 is just the first device with it installed, hence my interest in it |
| 07:46.12 | languish | oh man, i forgot how much I love this stuff |
| 07:46.24 | languish | guzzlin Manhattan Special's |
| 07:48.09 | languish | Espresso Coffee soda sweetened with sugar, not HFCS. using real espresso, not flavoring |
| 07:48.10 | waldo__ | for whomever was following along about the missing push technology for regular users, I found this: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=201 |
| 07:49.37 | DarkriftX | have any g1 users here found a working file manager/browser yet? |
| 07:49.50 | DarkriftX | there are threads on most android forums and still nothing :( |
| 07:50.28 | waldo__ | darkriftx would it work as a APK? |
| 07:50.31 | waldo__ | aren't they sandboxed? |
| 07:51.16 | DarkriftX | all i know is the 3 ive found dont install on the emu and are said not to work on the g1 |
| 07:51.21 | DarkriftX | ive been looking for one that works |
| 07:51.49 | waldo__ | I don't see how it could work in the g1 since the apps don't have access to the file system... er I mean "activities" or whatever |
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| 07:52.01 | waldo__ | what forums are you looking at? |
| 07:52.59 | DarkriftX | mine, androidcommunity, and a couple others |
| 07:53.16 | DarkriftX | i dont remember all the urls, i search for htem each time lol |
| 07:53.19 | waldo__ | gotcha |
| 07:53.33 | languish | there was video on g1tube.com of an android app accessing the g1 in a shell wasn't there? |
| 07:53.50 | waldo__ | You're talking about a browser of the Linux(ish) system yah? I don't think the android apps have access to that stuff. |
| 07:53.52 | languish | err acessing the g1 filesystem |
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| 07:53.58 | waldo__ | really? |
| 07:53.59 | DarkriftX | really |
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| 07:54.25 | languish | I don't know if changes before the release broke it or not.. but it existed |
| 07:54.33 | languish | wow, a metconnect account |
| 07:54.44 | languish | I wonder if mine still works |
| 07:54.53 | languish | haven't used dialup in ages |
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| 08:11.26 | muthu | does distinct work for content providers? |
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| 08:14.15 | muthu | qb.setDistinct seems to be broken |
| 08:16.43 | waldo__ | does anyone know when GTalkservice or XMPP is supposed to show up? |
| 08:16.50 | waldo__ | Probably not, but just asking |
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| 08:19.36 | xorl | waldo__: yes we do. |
| 08:19.44 | xorl | It will be back in 1.0 there is a blog post about it |
| 08:19.56 | waldo__ | there's a blog post saying it WON'T be in 1.0 |
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| 08:20.34 | eleftherios | do they sell the G1 for $400 without a contract too? This is what a news story says... |
| 08:20.44 | xorl | ah sorry i misread that |
| 08:21.11 | waldo__ | http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-information-on-apis-removed-in.html <- here |
| 08:21.24 | xorl | yeah i am reading through it again |
| 08:21.28 | waldo__ | not sure elefth--- they're hard enough to get with the contract |
| 08:21.41 | p1mrx | an unlocked phone isn't all that useful if the 3G/UMTS is only compatible with T-mobile |
| 08:21.46 | waldo__ | basically it seems that this GTalkService is really "Android push service" |
| 08:22.04 | waldo__ | otherwise known as "Android don't waste CPU and battery polling service" |
| 08:22.35 | waldo__ | p1mrx you can still use it as a phone out of the country tho |
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| 08:28.24 | eleftherios | p1mrx: I am not in the US |
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| 08:33.22 | eleftherios | UTMS,,, |
| 08:35.38 | eleftherios | that wouldn't work in UK, would it? |
| 08:36.11 | waldo__ | actually tmobile is a european country.. i wonder if it would...? is 3g widely deployed there? |
| 08:37.25 | eleftherios | t-mobile is a german company you mean |
| 08:37.36 | eleftherios | well, yes 3G is widely deployed here |
| 08:38.06 | eleftherios | but 3G is for data, right? I don't think any service providers offer UTMS, we have GSM here |
| 08:38.15 | p1mrx | it matters whether the phone supports UMTS at the correct frequencies for your network. |
| 08:38.39 | p1mrx | UMTS carries voice as well. It's like the next version of GSM |
| 08:38.54 | p1mrx | I don't know all the details; GSM will likely work in more places. |
| 08:40.10 | p1mrx | basically, GSM and UMTS operate on a variety of frequencies depending on the provider and country. Your phone has to support the right frequencies. |
| 08:41.59 | p1mrx | I have a crappy AT&T LG phone that has UMTS and GSM. I can tell when it falls back to GSM because it makes my speakers buzz. |
| 08:43.18 | p1mrx | anyway, time to sleep. |
| 08:43.59 | eleftherios | p1mrx: I see, thanks |
| 08:44.04 | eleftherios | p1mrx: good night |
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| 08:58.46 | spark__ | Hi people! |
| 08:59.32 | spark__ | I've been googling around for this but somehow couldn't find any answers: will I be able to install modified android sources on the G1? |
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| 09:20.05 | encontrado | spark__, that's a question for t-mobile, I think. |
| 09:20.46 | omegatest | hi, I'm trying to get the source since yesterday without success |
| 09:20.47 | omegatest | yesterday was gecko, today is... I don't know for sure |
| 09:20.58 | omegatest | is anithing wrong with th servers? |
| 09:21.20 | encontrado | no, the gecko servers are working just fine. |
| 09:21.39 | encontrado | android uses webkit, of course |
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| 09:21.52 | encontrado | so that might be part of your problem |
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| 09:22.25 | shri | does android support inputs from usb mouse? |
| 09:23.01 | shri | how to i integrate my usb driver into android or make android take inputs from usb mouse |
| 09:23.17 | encontrado | yes, how. |
| 09:23.40 | encontrado | how you plug usb mouse into android? |
| 09:24.01 | encontrado | that is your answer. |
| 09:24.16 | shri | as far as i know - i have a usb mouse, i have drivers for usb host |
| 09:25.16 | shri | i can access my mouse through the input subsystem of linux. i need to tell android to take inputs from something (could be device node) |
| 09:25.19 | shri | how do i do it? |
| 09:26.25 | encontrado | yes, how? |
| 09:26.30 | omegatest | ok, you know what I mean |
| 09:26.51 | encontrado | I don't? |
| 09:27.01 | shri | encontrado: are you asking me? |
| 09:27.22 | encontrado | shri, it's called the socratic method |
| 09:27.24 | omegatest | wait, appears to be working now, after 10+ trials this morning |
| 09:28.04 | encontrado | go figure, a hugely anticipated source release was difficult to download in the first 24 hours |
| 09:28.07 | encontrado | crazy |
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| 09:45.16 | Wander_w | it's crazy that google has trouble with that.. I mean google is just about the biggest internet company out there |
| 09:46.45 | spark__ | encontrado: I have no experience with rom-replacement on HTC-phones; but this is something controlled by T-Mobile I understand? |
| 09:47.11 | MrSnowflake | Some1 here with a real G1? |
| 09:47.47 | encontrado | I got mine about 12 hours ago |
| 09:48.05 | encontrado | connectbot doesn't work on it |
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| 09:48.51 | encontrado | spark__, you should probably stop thinking in terms like "rom replacement" |
| 09:49.12 | MrSnowflake | encontrado: is there a setting which allows you to have the device change orientation based on the sensors? |
| 09:49.30 | spark__ | encontrado: hm? |
| 09:49.31 | encontrado | MrSnowflake, sadly, no. |
| 09:49.48 | MrSnowflake | hmm, that's stupid. |
| 09:50.00 | MrSnowflake | You can do it for your own app, but not for the whole device? |
| 09:50.08 | encontrado | spark__, there is no "rom" that you'll be replacing when and if you replace core android software. |
| 09:51.06 | MrSnowflake | why wouldn't there be a rom? |
| 09:51.20 | encontrado | MrSnowflake, generally, flipping the device into keyboard-exposed mode and back switches to to landscape, and back |
| 09:51.20 | spark__ | encontrado: ah, I see; so how would replacing the android software happen? |
| 09:51.39 | MrSnowflake | encontrado: I know but I want it to be gravity based... |
| 09:51.43 | encontrado | MrSnowflake, it doesn't always work out well |
| 09:52.00 | MrSnowflake | how's that? |
| 09:52.04 | Wander_w | what happens if you hold the device flat? |
| 09:52.13 | Wander_w | e.g. on a table? |
| 09:52.19 | MrSnowflake | oh, that's what you meant |
| 09:52.27 | MrSnowflake | hmm well yeah... |
| 09:52.36 | MrSnowflake | :) |
| 09:52.38 | encontrado | Wander_w, when you hold the device flat, it stays in orientation is was in before you made it flat. |
| 09:52.54 | MrSnowflake | Back to the rom thing |
| 09:53.11 | encontrado | "rom" is just totally the wrong acronym, here |
| 09:53.23 | MrSnowflake | how's that? |
| 09:53.36 | Wander_w | because it's not Read Only |
| 09:54.48 | MrSnowflake | yeah true, but Windows Mobile's rom also isn't ro, but still it's called rom |
| 09:54.49 | encontrado | even "firmware" would be inaccurate |
| 09:56.01 | MrSnowflake | When there will be a new G1 android version, you'll probably download a 'rom' thingy and flash it to your device. So the practice stays the same. |
| 09:56.16 | encontrado | um. |
| 09:57.15 | encontrado | what, exactly, is a "G1 android version?" |
| 09:57.16 | aissen | MrSnowflake, i thought they had Firmware update over-the-air ? |
| 09:57.28 | Kontuus | source is 2Gb.. |
| 09:57.45 | languish | the firmware isn't 2gb |
| 09:57.53 | aissen | itâs about 30MB |
| 09:57.54 | languish | the G1 updated from your carrier over the air |
| 09:57.59 | MrSnowflake | aissen: Ok, thanks, then this whole rom 'issue' is just a debate on name calling :p |
| 09:58.06 | aissen | and an update would be much smaller |
| 09:58.15 | aissen | (if done cleverly) |
| 09:58.31 | MrSnowflake | *naming |
| 09:58.42 | encontrado | MrSnowflake, it's more than that |
| 09:58.51 | MrSnowflake | tell me! |
| 09:59.20 | encontrado | when you talk about "android roms," you're thinking of android as a hardware platform |
| 09:59.59 | aissen | yeah, you should say "image" |
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| 10:00.12 | MrSnowflake | encontrado: yeah that's true. |
| 10:00.34 | spark__ | ok, but will it be possible to replace the android *image* on the G1 |
| 10:00.39 | languish | i think you should start with explaining the difference to him between an OS as firmware, and OS on a harddisk |
| 10:00.44 | encontrado | when you think of it as a hardware platform, you think of it as something that only the manufacturer can modify |
| 10:00.53 | aissen | for now, i doubt it would be, later i bet a hack will come out |
| 10:00.54 | encontrado | but it's a software platform |
| 10:01.04 | aissen | i give 2 weeks max for a hack |
| 10:01.22 | MrSnowflake | encontrado: true, but to make your own flavour of android you still need the manufacturers drivers |
| 10:01.35 | MrSnowflake | *kernelmodules |
| 10:01.40 | encontrado | which means third-party hardware vendors, VARs, and, lord willing, end users can modify it |
| 10:01.54 | encontrado | MrSnowflake, not just me |
| 10:02.03 | encontrado | me and everyone else in the supply chain |
| 10:02.18 | languish | MrSnowflake, even without the hardware manufacturers, with time and effort, drievrs can be built |
| 10:02.19 | MrSnowflake | I know |
| 10:02.31 | languish | *drivers |
| 10:02.45 | MrSnowflake | languish: I know that too, but that's most often a hard job to do. |
| 10:02.59 | languish | and most of the hardware in these devices is going to be sufficiently generic |
| 10:03.04 | spark__ | but straightforward modifications to the dialer-application, the camera-application etc etc.. would it be possible to actually get those on your G1 again? |
| 10:03.07 | MrSnowflake | languish: take a look at the HTC Wizard's linux |
| 10:03.21 | languish | so much of the firmware will work |
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| 10:03.58 | MrSnowflake | spark__: yes |
| 10:04.35 | spark__ | mwsnow: ok, that's great |
| 10:05.00 | MrSnowflake | oh, I've got a question: How are the emails stored in the email app on android? I suppose it uses a Content Provider. |
| 10:05.10 | encontrado | One might hope that the whole ball of wax would work well enough for at least the first device implementing it on launch |
| 10:05.13 | encontrado | but no |
| 10:05.46 | encontrado | the only ssh client, connectbot, works on the emulator, but not on the G1 |
| 10:06.11 | MrSnowflake | yeah, I've heard a lot of stuff like those. |
| 10:06.15 | encontrado | and that's not a minor app |
| 10:06.20 | MrSnowflake | +- has problems with some Gps app. |
| 10:06.29 | Dialekt | ... |
| 10:06.52 | MrSnowflake | it works perfect on the emu, but on the real device the information comming from the gps seems, strange |
| 10:07.04 | MrSnowflake | sorry gtg dinner. |
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| 10:07.35 | encontrado | ⦠|
| 10:07.47 | aissen | wtf, itâs lunch time! ;-) |
| 10:09.29 | Dialekt | g1 good ? |
| 10:09.38 | Dialekt | im about to wake up early possibly? |
| 10:09.55 | umdk1d3 | rolls into town |
| 10:10.04 | umdk1d3 | anybody irc'ing from line? |
| 10:10.54 | Dialekt | from line with what? |
| 10:11.17 | aissen | umdk1d3, iâm one my G1 with a custom irc client |
| 10:12.00 | languish | aissen, is it a public android client? |
| 10:12.07 | aissen | not yet |
| 10:12.09 | encontrado | I have a G1, but I'm waiting for an ssh client that works before I irc with it |
| 10:12.23 | languish | I'd love to beta when you're ready |
| 10:12.50 | aissen | ok |
| 10:12.50 | swetland | what we really need is a nice proxied irc client |
| 10:13.11 | encontrado | proxied? |
| 10:13.34 | swetland | mobile networks are up and down a lot as you go in and out of coverage |
| 10:13.56 | encontrado | and a proxy helps you with that, how? |
| 10:13.59 | swetland | falling off of and logging back into irc is obnoxious. having to keep logging in over ssh and reopening screen, also annoying |
| 10:14.19 | encontrado | again, tell me how the proxy helps. |
| 10:14.25 | swetland | so, what you want is a mobile client that connects to (and reconnects as necessary) with a proxy and the proxy hangs on to your irc session |
| 10:15.10 | languish | encontrado proxy in this case, is a pc somewhere else, that connects to irc for you, and you then connect to that pc and it relays the connection between the two. |
| 10:15.11 | encontrado | instead of an irc client, or terminal, that reconnects as necesary? |
| 10:15.15 | swetland | keeps the session alive, hangs on to inbound messages, lets the mobile device pick up from whereever when it reconnects |
| 10:15.17 | languish | When you disconnect, the proxy pc stays connected |
| 10:15.23 | languish | (plain english) |
| 10:15.37 | encontrado | languish, I understand irc proxies |
| 10:16.00 | languish | okay, my bad |
| 10:16.01 | encontrado | what I don't understand is how they help the connection-dropping problem |
| 10:16.01 | swetland | basically think terminal+ssh+screen+irsii (or epic or whatever) |
| 10:16.32 | swetland | but instead, you have chatclient+chatbackend |
| 10:16.48 | encontrado | yeah, with bit dropouts between them |
| 10:16.54 | encontrado | awesome. |
| 10:16.57 | swetland | backend is logged into irc (or whatever transport you like) and remains so even if the frontend sometimes goes away and comes back |
| 10:17.22 | encontrado | so you, the user, still get dropouts. |
| 10:17.25 | swetland | no |
| 10:17.37 | swetland | backend buffers while the frontend is disconnected |
| 10:17.37 | encontrado | yes. |
| 10:17.53 | languish | you get long pauses, lol |
| 10:17.57 | encontrado | and while the frontend is disconnected, you're effectively dropped out. |
| 10:18.09 | encontrado | whee. |
| 10:18.12 | Dialekt | languish |
| 10:18.17 | Dialekt | so how is it ? |
| 10:18.19 | Dialekt | tell me tell me |
| 10:18.20 | Dialekt | hehe |
| 10:18.25 | languish | you don't wanna know |
| 10:18.26 | Dialekt | i think i might splurge today |
| 10:18.29 | Dialekt | oh really :( |
| 10:18.33 | Dialekt | i should wait then? |
| 10:18.35 | languish | android, awesome |
| 10:18.39 | Dialekt | and suffer with my lag |
| 10:18.41 | languish | G1 hardware... |
| 10:18.41 | Dialekt | of iphone |
| 10:18.56 | Dialekt | what's so bad about it? |
| 10:19.03 | Dialekt | have you used any other devices to compare? |
| 10:19.07 | encontrado | G1 hardware is... just like a sidekick |
| 10:19.12 | Dialekt | ouch |
| 10:19.15 | Dialekt | looks like it kinda |
| 10:19.20 | Dialekt | trackball , slide ..etc |
| 10:19.28 | encontrado | well, it's got touch-screen |
| 10:19.32 | languish | the camera isn't worth jack. The chin, IS annoying, expecially with the headset connected. But, the trackball works nicely in conjunction with the keybaord. |
| 10:19.50 | encontrado | but it's finicky touch-screen that doesn't always touch what you want it to |
| 10:20.11 | languish | yeah, the touch screen needs more fine tuning |
| 10:21.51 | encontrado | and there's the problem with the actual hardware not running stuff that works fine on the emulator |
| 10:22.02 | encontrado | that's a bit of a bummer |
| 10:23.07 | swetland | honestly the latter is more likely to be an emulator issue than a device issue |
| 10:23.13 | encontrado | WRITE ONCE, RUN ANYWHERE |
| 10:23.27 | encontrado | Man, I am so proud to be a java dev |
| 10:23.46 | swetland | assuming it's not just timing related. I've grabbed a number of emulator only projects and had them run fine on the device. |
| 10:24.01 | encontrado | timing? |
| 10:24.20 | swetland | er sorry, half asleep here |
| 10:24.23 | encontrado | k |
| 10:24.49 | umdk1d3 | swetland: proxied, like a BNC? =D |
| 10:25.03 | swetland | in any case if there are specific examples of something working on the emulator but not on actual hardware, worth filing a bug |
| 10:25.29 | Laz | time for me to start a line at my local tmobile |
| 10:26.02 | encontrado | swetland, show me the bug reporting interface for Connectbot |
| 10:26.03 | swetland | http://sunnyvale.frotz.net/android/unbox/unbox7.jpg |
| 10:26.21 | encontrado | I'd love to file a bug, if only I could figure out where to do it |
| 10:26.31 | swetland | connectbot actually worked for me on g1, minus some issues with the ui |
| 10:26.43 | swetland | though I have a friend who did not have any luck with it |
| 10:26.46 | encontrado | it worked not at all for me |
| 10:27.15 | encontrado | try to connect, blank screen for 5-10 seconds, then complete app crash |
| 10:27.37 | umdk1d3 | hmm is there a flag to check if the gui is laying-out? im editing an adapter from another thread and rarely it messes up the layout process. i have the final call to notifyDataSetChanged() correctly happening in a handler, but in some cases the adapter is changing during teh initial layout pass |
| 10:27.42 | swetland | http://code.google.com/p/connectbot/issues/list |
| 10:28.10 | swetland | grab the sdk, grab adb, plug in your device, run adb logcat, and grab the exception when it crashes, submit a bug report to the authors |
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| 10:28.59 | umdk1d3 | ouch @ connectbot :/ |
| 10:29.13 | umdk1d3 | swetland: is the terminal app useful on end user devices? |
| 10:29.25 | umdk1d3 | like, can they get to openssh? |
| 10:29.37 | swetland | you could build openssh or dropbear ssh |
| 10:29.45 | swetland | and toss it in /data/local/bin with adb push |
| 10:29.59 | umdk1d3 | oh sweet |
| 10:30.03 | umdk1d3 | someone should explain that |
| 10:30.10 | umdk1d3 | because "real" ssh is better than java-emulated ssh |
| 10:30.26 | umdk1d3 | even though connectbot has some nice gui stuff, and holds connections in a service |
| 10:30.31 | swetland | there's no reason a java client shouldn't be able to be quite solid |
| 10:30.32 | encontrado | swetland, are you connecting to a Linux system? |
| 10:30.35 | umdk1d3 | goes to delete that apk because its very outdated |
| 10:30.44 | swetland | and connectbot actually seemed to have slightly better terminal emulation than Terminal |
| 10:31.22 | encontrado | connectbot had no terminal emulation at all, as far as I could tell |
| 10:31.36 | umdk1d3 | encontrado: it should, but it was a bit messy |
| 10:31.51 | encontrado | if it did have terminal emulation, it was hard-coded |
| 10:32.04 | encontrado | no place to select your terminal type, anywhere |
| 10:32.06 | umdk1d3 | later this morning ill build a "real" apk with signatures, and do any last minute bugchecks |
| 10:32.18 | umdk1d3 | encontrado: right i think that was becasue of the emulation library we used |
| 10:32.21 | Dialekt | so overall |
| 10:32.25 | Dialekt | do you regret your purchase? |
| 10:32.27 | umdk1d3 | the "best" performance was using "screen" instead of "xterm" |
| 10:32.37 | umdk1d3 | there /is/ an option to choose in svn now |
| 10:32.43 | umdk1d3 | in the host settings |
| 10:32.47 | Dialekt | rolls drum |
| 10:32.50 | umdk1d3 | ill throw that new apk up later today |
| 10:32.55 | umdk1d3 | or you could build it yourslef ^.^ |
| 10:33.03 | umdk1d3 | has other stuff to code |
| 10:33.05 | encontrado | I wouldn't mind |
| 10:33.09 | swetland | umdk1d3: if you could uses right alt or menu for control you'd be my hero ^^ |
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| 10:33.45 | umdk1d3 | lol swetland there was talk about mapping the search key to ctrl+a |
| 10:33.52 | umdk1d3 | because im a serious user of screen |
| 10:33.54 | encontrado | building a java project isn't exactly rocket science |
| 10:34.06 | encontrado | nor is putting a link to the build on a web site |
| 10:34.08 | swetland | search would work too |
| 10:34.10 | umdk1d3 | but of course, making all those combos customizable |
| 10:34.16 | swetland | and yes, I too am a heavy screen users |
| 10:34.21 | umdk1d3 | not going to happen today lol, but someone else could write it ;) |
| 10:34.35 | encontrado | but asking every user to do that, well, that's maybe a little more difficult |
| 10:34.59 | encontrado | I absolutely live in screen |
| 10:35.11 | swetland | seems to work fine for me |
| 10:35.14 | encontrado | but that didn't make connectbot work for me |
| 10:35.26 | encontrado | swetland, are you connecting to a Linux host? |
| 10:35.42 | swetland | no idea what's running on the ssh jumpbox |
| 10:35.45 | swetland | probably linux |
| 10:35.56 | encontrado | I'm trying to talk to FreeBSD |
| 10:35.59 | umdk1d3 | hmm |
| 10:36.08 | umdk1d3 | encontrado: ive always used openssh on the other end of connectboy |
| 10:36.10 | umdk1d3 | *bot |
| 10:36.18 | umdk1d3 | on debian/gentoo linux boxes |
| 10:36.19 | swetland | it's having some redraw issues with mutt |
| 10:36.27 | swetland | but the color support is doing what I'd expect |
| 10:36.51 | umdk1d3 | swetland: that color support was a /horrid/ mess to deal with |
| 10:36.55 | swetland | a menu option to terminate the session would be nice |
| 10:37.10 | Dialekt | y |
| 10:37.12 | swetland | umdk: indeed. I've done vt100/xterm emu before. I try to avoid color because it's a pita |
| 10:37.12 | umdk1d3 | the menu button should do that? and copy/paste too? |
| 10:37.29 | swetland | oh nice |
| 10:37.37 | umdk1d3 | it might only be in the svn copy right now |
| 10:37.43 | swetland | you've got the trackball sending the up/down escape sequences |
| 10:37.48 | umdk1d3 | yea :/ |
| 10:37.49 | umdk1d3 | ooh! |
| 10:37.53 | swetland | no menu in the active session |
| 10:37.59 | umdk1d3 | to up/down, wipe in the right half of screen |
| 10:38.01 | swetland | I'll have to build from source sometime |
| 10:38.07 | umdk1d3 | to pg up/down, wipe in left half of screen =D |
| 10:38.14 | umdk1d3 | not sure if thats in that apk |
| 10:38.24 | swetland | doesn't seem to be |
| 10:38.30 | umdk1d3 | eh oh well |
| 10:38.42 | swetland | it's a nice little app |
| 10:38.47 | umdk1d3 | anybody who wants svn write access on that, just lemme know |
| 10:38.54 | swetland | could use a bit of polish, but off to a good start |
| 10:39.07 | swetland | oops |
| 10:39.08 | umdk1d3 | swetland: have you opened multiple sessions? |
| 10:39.12 | swetland | closed the screen and it logged me out |
| 10:39.15 | umdk1d3 | so you can "pan" left/right between them? |
| 10:39.41 | umdk1d3 | darnit that might not be in that apk |
| 10:39.55 | swetland | the apk was from late august |
| 10:39.59 | swetland | I'm guessing it's a bit stale |
| 10:40.02 | umdk1d3 | swetland: heres a video http://www.jsharkey.org/downloads/ssh.html |
| 10:40.11 | umdk1d3 | uses volume for fontsize too |
| 10:41.08 | swetland | very nice |
| 10:41.34 | swetland | one of these days I need to learn how to write app code for our platform ^^ |
| 10:43.09 | duey | I managed hello world, it was tough |
| 10:44.05 | MrSnowflake | umdk1d3: is it yours? |
| 10:44.14 | MrSnowflake | 'cause it looks great |
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| 10:53.35 | encontrado | I think PuTTY gets the color support right |
| 10:54.04 | encontrado | but at huge effort, I'm sure |
| 10:54.21 | encontrado | "just pass the problem on to the end user" |
| 10:54.43 | encontrado | but that means cobbling together a UI for it |
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| 10:59.36 | Landswipe | david@vmubuntu:~/mydroid$ repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git |
| 11:00.04 | Landswipe | home/david/bin/repo: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `<' |
| 11:00.08 | Landswipe | any ideas why? |
| 11:00.13 | Landswipe | it comes back 404 error. |
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| 11:06.21 | Landswipe | doh.. ;) |
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| 11:08.44 | Millow | hello |
| 11:09.04 | Millow | anyone know if I can build the source and install on the HTC Diamond? |
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| 11:23.21 | Wander_w | anyone know if I can stand on my head? |
| 11:24.30 | umdk1d3 | no, you cant |
| 11:24.54 | umdk1d3 | standOnHead() is not supported because of a firmware limitation :P |
| 11:25.00 | Wander_w | dang |
| 11:25.28 | Millow | ^^ |
| 11:25.33 | Wander_w | Landswipe: did you get "repo" yet? |
| 11:25.38 | Millow | anyone know if I can dingle my dong |
| 11:26.01 | Wander_w | Landswipe: because I've got a copy |
| 11:27.02 | Millow | when i download repo and then try "make" i get this error, *** Case-insensitive filesystems not supported. Stop. |
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| 11:30.31 | Wander_w | Millow: don't use windows |
| 11:31.12 | Millow | Wander_w: use OS X |
| 11:31.14 | Millow | using |
| 11:31.15 | Millow | * |
| 11:31.43 | Wander_w | oh... then somehow set your filesystem to be casesensitive |
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| 11:41.03 | umdk1d3 | yay ^.^ |
| 11:41.06 | umdk1d3 | new apk ready |
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| 11:57.06 | jasta | *yawn* |
| 11:58.55 | jasta | ponders how early he should need to get to the t-mobile store |
| 11:59.52 | anno^da_ | jasta: get one for me :-) |
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| 12:10.44 | plusminus_ | 22nd *DANCE* |
| 12:11.13 | umdk1d3 | jasta: GO NAOI :P |
| 12:11.26 | umdk1d3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:13.11 | Dougie187 | nice. and today is a woot off |
| 12:14.52 | umdk1d3 | Dougie187: it would be insane if they had a lot of g1s in there :P |
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| 12:15.02 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 12:15.12 | umdk1d3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.15 | Dougie187 | lol, "Tmobile G1 $150 + $5 S&H" |
| 12:15.34 | Dougie187 | Contract Free! |
| 12:16.57 | Wander_w | that's cheap |
| 12:17.04 | Wander_w | where's that? |
| 12:17.58 | Dougie187 | Woot.com |
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| 12:18.11 | Dougie187 | its all sold out though |
| 12:18.13 | Dougie187 | i bought 10 of them |
| 12:19.47 | plusminus_ | really? |
| 12:19.56 | Millow | I get this error, anyone know how to fix when running "make" |
| 12:19.56 | Millow | Case-insensitive filesystems not supported. Stop. |
| 12:20.03 | Millow | using OS X 10.5 |
| 12:20.09 | Dougie187 | umdk1d3: look what we started. |
| 12:22.32 | plusminus_ | btw will T-mobile accept 400$ cash in their store ? |
| 12:22.38 | plusminus_ | Or will I have to use a credit card ? |
| 12:22.47 | languish | plusminus_, they're not apple |
| 12:23.06 | languish | they'll be happy to take your cash |
| 12:23.07 | plusminus_ | ?? I'm not yet familiar with the amercian way of buying stuff |
| 12:23.10 | plusminus_ | ok |
| 12:23.31 | plusminus_ | american banking system is weird |
| 12:23.33 | umdk1d3 | woooooot |
| 12:23.35 | plusminus_ | a.) its slow |
| 12:23.52 | languish | it's not slow. they're using your money to make more money for themselves |
| 12:23.56 | plusminus_ | b.) if you are in the 'negative' you pay like $100 for each check |
| 12:24.06 | swetland | the american way of buying stuff mostly involves impulse purchasing, poor planning, and lots of credit card debt. cash, however, is always welcome |
| 12:24.07 | languish | it's rather instantaneous, but they build in artificlial delays |
| 12:24.23 | languish | swetland except when buying an iphone |
| 12:24.48 | plusminus_ | we told some people of 'nagative interest' when you are in 'the negatives |
| 12:25.00 | plusminus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.03 | gambler | the thing that always makes me laugh when Im back in the U.S. is the side of the fast food beverages |
| 12:25.09 | gambler | s/side/size |
| 12:25.19 | Dougie187 | oh yeah |
| 12:25.25 | Dougie187 | get a medium and its like 82 oz |
| 12:25.28 | swetland | I think the size of fast food beverages here are insane and I've lived here my whole life |
| 12:25.30 | gambler | hehehe |
| 12:25.32 | Dougie187 | a large is 194 oz |
| 12:25.55 | plusminus_ | :D we never managed not to let a gallon of milk go bad :D |
| 12:26.12 | plusminus_ | you can chew it after 2-3 days |
| 12:26.16 | gambler | large, supersize? its only 10c more you fat muthaf***** |
| 12:26.21 | gambler | lolza |
| 12:26.29 | p0g0 | plusminus_: the US banks are required to make most transactions occur within 3 days, and some within 24 hours. The overdraft penalties are just a ripoff, and a good reason to change banks when they pull that trick on you. |
| 12:26.50 | Dougie187 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/22/intel-arms-the-reason-the-iphone-sucks/ |
| 12:26.51 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 12:26.51 | plusminus_ | yeah I learned from that ;) |
| 12:27.05 | plusminus_ | I'm out guys, G1 is waiting :) |
| 12:27.23 | languish | o/ |
| 12:27.25 | Dougie187 | lol good luck |
| 12:27.50 | umdk1d3 | is prepping several apks for market |
| 12:27.56 | umdk1d3 | hopefully there will be some announcement today |
| 12:28.45 | gambler | several? damn son. guess you gotta pay off that meth habit |
| 12:29.17 | umdk1d3 | heyyy :P |
| 12:29.18 | Dougie187 | press release |
| 12:29.19 | Dougie187 | http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20081022005446&newsLang=en |
| 12:29.27 | gambler | hehe |
| 12:29.42 | Dougie187 | i don't think its about the market though |
| 12:30.10 | umdk1d3 | "select third-party stores" == best buy?? |
| 12:30.10 | Dougie187 | i wonder why they went with tmobile first. |
| 12:30.17 | Dougie187 | possibly. |
| 12:30.25 | Dougie187 | look online |
| 12:30.28 | Dougie187 | lets see if its there |
| 12:31.18 | Dougie187 | i dont see if on here yet. |
| 12:32.25 | Dougie187 | hehe |
| 12:32.25 | Dougie187 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/bandais-gun-oclock-shoot-the-target-or-youll-never-snooze-ag/ |
| 12:35.04 | umdk1d3 | so |
| 12:35.10 | umdk1d3 | it looks like you can order it online right now |
| 12:35.13 | umdk1d3 | even as a new customer |
| 12:35.22 | umdk1d3 | i dont have a zipcode with tmob service tho : |
| 12:35.25 | Wander_w | what time is it over there anyway? |
| 12:35.30 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 12:35.33 | TreyB | swetland: do you just not sleep, or have you changed timezones? |
| 12:35.34 | umdk1d3 | 630am mountain |
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| 12:35.44 | Dougie187 | ill try it out umdk1d3 |
| 12:36.01 | Dougie187 | lol they have a flash intro on their site for it |
| 12:36.05 | Wander_w | umdk1d3: oh, good mornin' then :) |
| 12:36.20 | Dougie187 | $180 |
| 12:37.07 | erikwt | can i buy the g1 without a plan? |
| 12:37.28 | Dougie187 | erikwt: supposedly. |
| 12:37.34 | Dougie187 | its supposed to be $400 though |
| 12:38.04 | Dougie187 | They even have a "How to port your number" faq |
| 12:38.05 | erikwt | Dougie187, any webshop that is selling them? |
| 12:38.15 | umdk1d3 | erikwt: without a plan, i dont think so |
| 12:38.21 | umdk1d3 | give it a try tho |
| 12:39.05 | Dougie187 | erikwt: i think you can only get it through tmobile |
| 12:39.30 | Dougie187 | umdk1d3: looks like it works for new customers |
| 12:39.43 | erikwt | Dougie187, ok thanks |
| 12:40.15 | Dougie187 | http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/detail.aspx?cell-phone=T-Mobile-G1-with-Google-Black&WT.mc_t=OnsiteLP&WT.mc_n=G1_BuyNow_CTA |
| 12:40.52 | Dougie187 | if it doesn't work online, you can always call them |
| 12:41.31 | Dougie187 | looks like they are out of the white one online |
| 12:41.34 | Dougie187 | only black and brown left |
| 12:41.48 | jasta | *yawn* |
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| 12:42.18 | Dougie187 | good morning jasta |
| 12:42.25 | Dougie187 | bright and early to get your G1 i see? |
| 12:42.46 | jasta | yup :) |
| 12:42.56 | jasta | gonna go have breakfast and head over to the t-mobile store to see what kind of hubbub is there |
| 12:43.01 | jasta | ill probably be the first one there hehe |
| 12:43.07 | Dougie187 | probably |
| 12:43.11 | Dougie187 | before it even opens |
| 12:43.11 | Dougie187 | lo |
| 12:43.12 | jasta | but ill get some coffee and hang out with my gf for a while |
| 12:43.14 | Dougie187 | lol* |
| 12:43.20 | Dougie187 | is she going with you? |
| 12:43.26 | jasta | she has to, her car is busted :P |
| 12:43.29 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 12:43.32 | jasta | she's taking my car and leaving me there hehe |
| 12:43.34 | Dougie187 | well thats too bad. |
| 12:43.42 | Dougie187 | your just going to hang out at the tmobile store? |
| 12:44.11 | jasta | well she has to leave at about 8 |
| 12:44.18 | jasta | so theyll be open and hopefully processing my order by then :P |
| 12:44.25 | jasta | the employees were scheduled to show up at 7 |
| 12:44.29 | Dougie187 | yeah, but then what are you going to do? |
| 12:44.36 | Dougie187 | if you don't get done until 8:30 |
| 12:44.37 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 12:44.39 | jasta | get a bus back home |
| 12:44.49 | Dougie187 | oh ok. sounds like a good plan. |
| 12:44.51 | jasta | its this little thing called a major metropolitan area :) |
| 12:45.01 | Dougie187 | oh right, i don't know what that is. |
| 12:46.31 | languish | hah oh man |
| 12:47.54 | languish | someone sent a request to view my google calendar, while attempting to log in on my G1 to apprive it, I got rhe message "sorry, you are trying to use Google Calendar with a browser that isn't currently supported. Press OK to view a readon only version..yadda yadda |
| 12:48.17 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 12:48.22 | Dougie187 | that is retarded |
| 12:48.54 | languish | well, google owns grandcentral.com and that doesn't work on the g1 browser either |
| 12:49.01 | languish | :\ |
| 12:49.43 | languish | i get alerts by email when someone leaves a voicemail on my GC #. supposed to be able to click the link in the email, to take me to GC and play the voicemail |
| 12:50.02 | languish | no worky on G1 |
| 12:50.26 | languish | some day... my app will come.. some day.. on my G1 |
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| 13:00.36 | jasta | languish: this is probably because of the way the android project was structured inside google |
| 13:00.44 | jasta | unlike other projects, android was closed off to other groups/teams. |
| 13:01.11 | jasta | no one could look at the code or generally interact in a useful way |
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| 13:01.48 | yakischloba | jasta: getting ready to go wait outside? ;) |
| 13:01.50 | tweakt | success!! Just got my G1 from tmo store |
| 13:01.51 | jasta | so they choked their resources a bit, and as such, certain things are not supported :) |
| 13:02.02 | tweakt | no line here in Boston, about 5 of us at 8am |
| 13:02.06 | tweakt | they opened early |
| 13:02.12 | jasta | sweet :) |
| 13:02.22 | yakischloba | hey, do I have to pay anything up front, or is it all just on the first bill? |
| 13:02.34 | jasta | yakischloba: depends on your credit check, which they will run |
| 13:02.42 | yakischloba | assuming I have good credit |
| 13:02.50 | jasta | if you seem to be a sort of dead beat fella you might have to pay for the phone up front and even the first phone or two of service |
| 13:03.05 | jasta | otherwise, you will probably just pay for the cost of the phone up front |
| 13:03.12 | yakischloba | hmm. |
| 13:03.35 | yakischloba | well i have excellent credit history. I just don't keep a lot of money in my checking account or else I spend it all, so im wondering how much I need handy before I go ;) |
| 13:03.59 | umdk1d3 | we should be hearing some reports from east coast re: demand |
| 13:04.02 | umdk1d3 | its 9am there |
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| 13:04.20 | jasta | im about to head over there, but i expect not much demand |
| 13:04.21 | yakischloba | umdk1d3: most of them are probably busy playing with their phones ;) |
| 13:04.32 | jasta | if you look at the volumes of phones shipped, its pretty obvious this thing isnt as popular as the iphone |
| 13:04.37 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, you'll get one |
| 13:04.39 | jasta | most stores in seattle are getting 15-30 in. |
| 13:04.46 | jasta | thats piddly |
| 13:04.53 | umdk1d3 | jasta: true, but its all about /creating/ scarcity |
| 13:05.05 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, the iPhone also sold 6.9 million in one quarter |
| 13:05.13 | jasta | umdk1d3: yeah but if they dont manage to sell out nearly every store, *FAIL* |
| 13:05.30 | languish | the G1 isn't even being advertised |
| 13:05.34 | languish | not really |
| 13:06.09 | languish | usually when I get a new device a few days before launch, and I take the subway.. I get all kinds of interest |
| 13:06.18 | languish | not one person looked twice at the g1 |
| 13:06.45 | michaelnovakjr | android is cool, but htc devices are kinda ugly :) |
| 13:07.00 | languish | "htc" devices aren't ugly |
| 13:07.08 | languish | the g1 just looks like a sidekick |
| 13:07.11 | languish | and isn't sleek |
| 13:07.21 | languish | the htc touch pro is pretty sexy to me |
| 13:07.31 | michaelnovakjr | i wasn't impressed with the g1 hardware design |
| 13:07.36 | languish | agreed |
| 13:08.06 | languish | teh camera is practically useless indoors or at night |
| 13:08.07 | erikwt | does the G1 have a simlock? |
| 13:08.09 | languish | really annoying |
| 13:08.20 | michaelnovakjr | languish: so is the iPhone's |
| 13:08.33 | languish | my v600 from years ago takes better low light pics |
| 13:08.47 | languish | i don't care about the iphone |
| 13:08.49 | languish | at all |
| 13:09.03 | languish | i care about the device I chose |
| 13:09.27 | michaelnovakjr | i'm just saying the iPhone camera is just as crappy :) |
| 13:09.32 | michaelnovakjr | in lowlight that is |
| 13:10.18 | michaelnovakjr | damn, still can't pull webkit? |
| 13:10.29 | gambler | downloaded ok for me |
| 13:10.45 | michaelnovakjr | i'm getting a connection refused |
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| 13:11.30 | gambler | I had that the 1st time too |
| 13:11.36 | flip | how come my contacts keep disappearing? :( |
| 13:11.49 | michaelnovakjr | flip on what? |
| 13:11.57 | flip | my g1 :P |
| 13:11.59 | massiveRobot | webkit fixrd - read http://source.android.com/known-issues |
| 13:12.08 | flip | im sure this isnt a support channel i just thought id give it a shot |
| 13:12.38 | michaelnovakjr | massiveRobot: good looking out :) |
| 13:12.43 | languish | flip forums.t-mobile.com |
| 13:12.48 | flip | michaelnovakjr: if i add 5 contacts and save each one... when i go into my contacts; ill have 3 :P |
| 13:12.49 | michaelnovakjr | i haven't looked at it since yesterday |
| 13:12.51 | flip | k thanks ill check it out |
| 13:13.17 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr: did you help him get it working last night? |
| 13:14.16 | languish | the headphones that came with the g1 aren't loud enough for music on the subway, even after upping the volume ont he headphone inline control and the g1 itself |
| 13:14.21 | languish | *sigh* |
| 13:14.39 | michaelnovakjr | Dougie187: i was still setting up my system. I hadn't been working on Five on that machine |
| 13:14.40 | yakischloba | shocking |
| 13:14.46 | michaelnovakjr | i was trying to reproduce it |
| 13:14.55 | Dougie187 | yeah, i couldn't reproduce it either. |
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| 13:28.09 | umdk1d3 | whew |
| 13:28.32 | umdk1d3 | just wrote a nice piece of code to check for new versions |
| 13:28.40 | umdk1d3 | will opensource it later today |
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| 13:40.07 | umdk1d3 | okay who was asking about connectbot earlier |
| 13:40.11 | umdk1d3 | uploads finalized apk |
| 13:40.31 | Dougie187 | tethridge: you get it working last night? |
| 13:40.39 | tethridge | nope |
| 13:40.46 | Dougie187 | bust. |
| 13:40.49 | tethridge | :-) |
| 13:40.58 | Dougie187 | still getting that same error? |
| 13:41.03 | tethridge | yeah |
| 13:41.08 | michaelnovakjr | do a clean install |
| 13:41.11 | Dougie187 | why dont you try to clean it, and do it again? |
| 13:41.12 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 13:41.25 | Dougie187 | but don't do masa again |
| 13:41.35 | tethridge | I can try that |
| 13:41.44 | Dougie187 | just clear out five-read-only and re-check it out and try it again from the start |
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| 13:42.00 | tethridge | alright |
| 13:42.19 | tethridge | are both of you guys helping jasta work on five? |
| 13:42.39 | michaelnovakjr | i am |
| 13:43.04 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: i had 2 questions for you actually. connectbot never prompts for password and someone said you were responsible for itunes-remote requiring permission to shave my dog and sell my house....? |
| 13:43.16 | Dougie187 | i just play with it. |
| 13:43.22 | Dougie187 | i don't have time to develop right now. |
| 13:43.34 | tethridge | Dougie187, do you have a large music collection? |
| 13:43.46 | Dougie187 | fairly large? but not as big as jastas. |
| 13:43.55 | Dougie187 | jasta has 75 gigs. |
| 13:44.03 | Dougie187 | but i only have like ~25 if i remember right |
| 13:44.03 | tethridge | what about you michaelnovakjr? |
| 13:44.05 | tethridge | that's small |
| 13:44.11 | michaelnovakjr | 100 gigs |
| 13:44.11 | tethridge | I've got 125GB |
| 13:44.21 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 13:45.16 | michaelnovakjr | tethridge: |
| 13:45.16 | michaelnovakjr | my abd |
| 13:45.16 | michaelnovakjr | bad |
| 13:45.16 | tethridge | michaelnovakjr, how does it work for you? |
| 13:45.16 | tethridge | performance wise? |
| 13:45.16 | michaelnovakjr | i haven't loaded up the whole library yet |
| 13:45.17 | michaelnovakjr | that is my plan for this week |
| 13:45.17 | tethridge | let me know how it goes |
| 13:45.18 | michaelnovakjr | definitely |
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| 13:45.37 | tethridge | I guess you guys have tried jinzora before? |
| 13:45.51 | tethridge | that is what I use to listen to my music from home while at work |
| 13:45.52 | Poohba | Can you specify sounds? I can't tell txt msg from email. |
| 13:46.35 | umdk1d3 | Disconnect: okay cool, thanks for letting me know |
| 13:46.41 | umdk1d3 | i have no clue what the remote apps problem is |
| 13:46.49 | Dougie187 | tethridge: i have not. |
| 13:46.52 | umdk1d3 | i update that apk, signed correctly for market an stuff too |
| 13:46.56 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: downloading the new version now |
| 13:47.02 | Poohba | is there something to record video out there yet? |
| 13:47.11 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: did you see the prompt? (and some comments - istr on andappstore - saying its not just me :) ..) |
| 13:47.13 | umdk1d3 | yea lemme know if it works |
| 13:47.26 | umdk1d3 | passwor dprompt? |
| 13:47.39 | umdk1d3 | that connectbot apk was HORRIDLY old |
| 13:47.52 | Disconnect | no sorry, mid-stream topic-change :) downloading ssh.apk now, and did you see the itunes security prompt? |
| 13:48.18 | umdk1d3 | yea, and i mentioned that i repacked that apk too |
| 13:48.29 | umdk1d3 | Disconnect: there is no "valid" ssh apk |
| 13:48.34 | umdk1d3 | uploads to google code now |
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| 13:49.10 | umdk1d3 | Disconnect: http://code.google.com/p/connectbot/downloads/list |
| 13:49.23 | Disconnect | yah i see it now. doh. maybe it should be 'featured' :) |
| 13:50.40 | loke | anyone have any idea why the android simulator crashes on my (old, core-duo, 32-bit-only MacMini), but works fine on my MacBook Air? |
| 13:50.50 | loke | they're pretty identically configured |
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| 13:51.06 | Dougie187 | maybe your mac mini hates you |
| 13:51.14 | loke | I get the window for w ashort while, and then poof, it goes away with a core dump |
| 13:51.21 | loke | Dougie187: it does seem like that |
| 13:51.32 | topeira | loke: try to run it with strace |
| 13:52.15 | loke | there is no strace on OSX, but I could do something similar with dtrace I suppose... |
| 13:52.20 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: i love the logo btw |
| 13:52.45 | umdk1d3 | Disconnect: the ssh one? lol i didnt make it |
| 13:52.53 | umdk1d3 | kenny did i think |
| 13:52.57 | umdk1d3 | anywho |
| 13:53.01 | umdk1d3 | NOW you see why i hate app sites |
| 13:53.16 | umdk1d3 | im NOT going to go update and-app-bazarr.com or whatever |
| 13:53.22 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: the ssk.apk is 'featured' on the connectbot google code page.... |
| 13:53.32 | umdk1d3 | Disconnect: that shoul dbe fixed now |
| 13:53.34 | Disconnect | and random side note, the new one ran me through legal->hints->legal->hints->sites |
| 13:53.45 | umdk1d3 | orly? >:/ |
| 13:54.01 | umdk1d3 | it didnt do that on this G1, even after fresh install |
| 13:54.34 | Disconnect | might have hit vol keys, was in landscape and those keys sit right where the phone rests on my left hand |
| 13:54.48 | umdk1d3 | hmm that shouldnt have cause it |
| 13:55.23 | Disconnect | 'trying to authenticate' ... it got the server key successfully.. but now its hanging again. |
| 13:55.32 | umdk1d3 | wait a few seconds |
| 13:55.33 | umdk1d3 | hmm |
| 13:55.43 | umdk1d3 | thats when they are doing the handshake behind the scenes |
| 13:55.58 | umdk1d3 | Disconnect: your using a bsd host> |
| 13:55.59 | umdk1d3 | ? |
| 13:56.19 | loke | I have a thread dump from the crash... |
| 13:56.20 | loke | http://sial.org/pbot/32782 |
| 13:56.50 | loke | hmm |
| 13:57.07 | loke | audio initialisation? |
| 13:57.37 | umdk1d3 | Disconnect: ouch its hanging on my gentoo box |
| 13:57.42 | umdk1d3 | but its fine on debian openssh |
| 13:57.44 | umdk1d3 | :/ |
| 13:57.50 | umdk1d3 | doesnt have time to debug right now |
| 13:58.18 | zhobbs | can't seem to delete hosts on connectbot |
| 13:58.38 | umdk1d3 | zhobbs: longpress? |
| 13:58.56 | umdk1d3 | ohwait lol |
| 13:59.13 | umdk1d3 | looool it doesnt work |
| 13:59.14 | umdk1d3 | haha |
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| 13:59.23 | umdk1d3 | zhobbs: thanks ^.^ |
| 14:00.19 | umdk1d3 | yea lol its still just stubbed |
| 14:00.27 | umdk1d3 | same with disconnect |
| 14:02.01 | zhobbs | yeah, I don't see onContextItemSelected implemented |
| 14:02.35 | umdk1d3 | its there |
| 14:02.42 | umdk1d3 | but there is a stub for two of the entries |
| 14:03.41 | umdk1d3 | zhobbs: svn should be updated with fix /me checks |
| 14:03.46 | zhobbs | in HostList.java? |
| 14:03.52 | umdk1d3 | yep |
| 14:03.54 | umdk1d3 | its at the bottom |
| 14:04.04 | umdk1d3 | ohlol im doing it slightly differently |
| 14:04.09 | umdk1d3 | not using Selected |
| 14:04.30 | zhobbs | Oh, I see...you're doing it with listeners.... |
| 14:04.45 | zhobbs | I've been doing onContextItemSelected() |
| 14:04.50 | umdk1d3 | less efficient i know, but simpler for coding |
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| 14:05.00 | zhobbs | umdk1d3: no, I think I like your way better |
| 14:05.16 | umdk1d3 | doh forgot to refresh cursor /me runs back to code |
| 14:07.11 | umdk1d3 | yay fixed and in svn |
| 14:07.15 | umdk1d3 | goes to rebuild public apk |
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| 14:08.39 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: sorry was afk. and its a deb box :) |
| 14:08.51 | umdk1d3 | hmm :/ |
| 14:08.57 | umdk1d3 | checks versionstring |
| 14:08.58 | Disconnect | coworker wanted to see it |
| 14:09.30 | umdk1d3 | debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 |
| 14:09.37 | umdk1d3 | thats the server im connecting to |
| 14:09.41 | umdk1d3 | apt-get upgrades now lol |
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| 14:10.16 | Disconnect | is delete host supposed to work? |
| 14:10.37 | Disconnect | may be weird in that ssh (and terminal) are the 'killer apps' for a cellphone .. :) |
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| 14:10.56 | jdahlin | Okay, once I built android, how do I test the built code? |
| 14:11.15 | umdk1d3 | Disconnect: that was broken, but i just fixed it--new apk featured now |
| 14:11.46 | Disconnect | cool |
| 14:12.24 | umdk1d3 | Disconnect: you dev much? |
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| 14:13.05 | Disconnect | used to, starting again for android. spent 10 years as a pro dev, mostly C (middleware, etc. some cool systems) and then shifted into admin work. |
| 14:13.07 | unix_lappy | wishes someone had told him Tmobile stores open at 8am :( |
| 14:13.10 | Disconnect | lol |
| 14:13.18 | Dougie187 | unix_lappy: tmobile stores open at 8am |
| 14:13.23 | umdk1d3 | :P |
| 14:13.41 | Dougie187 | unix_lappy: which timezone are you in? |
| 14:13.59 | unix_lappy | -6 |
| 14:14.16 | Dougie187 | central? |
| 14:14.20 | michaelnovakjr | so what's with this RTSP on android? |
| 14:14.22 | Dougie187 | so its 9 there? |
| 14:14.31 | unix_lappy | mhm. |
| 14:14.41 | Dougie187 | well you better get a move on. |
| 14:14.54 | unix_lappy | meh |
| 14:15.02 | Dougie187 | you're gonna miss all the g1's. |
| 14:15.05 | Dougie187 | they are gonna fly.... |
| 14:15.06 | Disconnect | random side note, is youtube-android broken for anyone else? |
| 14:15.09 | Dougie187 | (i bet you will be fine) |
| 14:15.26 | zhobbs | michaelnovakjr: rtsp works on the device, but not the emulator |
| 14:15.29 | Disconnect | someone here was saying that their friendly store manager suggested 630 lineup to pick colors, 7 to get whatever's available |
| 14:15.41 | michaelnovakjr | zhobbs: does the mediaplayer have access to it? |
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| 14:16.10 | umdk1d3 | holy crap im starving /me goes to find brekkie |
| 14:16.22 | zhobbs | michaelnovakjr: media player can play rtsp on the device |
| 14:16.35 | michaelnovakjr | neat |
| 14:16.38 | zhobbs | something to do with UDP forwarding not being supported on the emulator |
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| 14:17.18 | zhobbs | umdk1d3: connectbot is working now, great app, I'll be using it I'm sure |
| 14:17.51 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: can i beg you to at least rename the apk with these minor-minor-re-releases? :) 100r1 100r2 or something.. |
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| 14:18.49 | unix_lappy | Disconnect: i hardly doubt that'll be the case here. but if it ends up being like that I'd rather just wait. |
| 14:19.06 | Laz | g1 is home :) |
| 14:19.22 | Dougie187 | are you in love with it? |
| 14:19.57 | Laz | Best Phone i had |
| 14:20.04 | Laz | have* |
| 14:20.33 | Dougie187 | thats good. |
| 14:20.41 | Dougie187 | How's the call quality on it? |
| 14:20.48 | Dougie187 | i haven't really read any reviews on that yet. |
| 14:20.51 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: delete works, auth still hangs. and it gives the new-key warning every time - thats kinda bad since its expected that cellphones may be used in hostile environments (unless its been fixed in this latest rev) |
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| 14:21.00 | Dougie187 | or at least, i don't remember anything talking about that |
| 14:21.07 | Laz | Crystal Clear on 3g |
| 14:21.08 | Disconnect | Dougie187: sounds ok on this end and the wif said it was crisp and clear on her end |
| 14:21.12 | Disconnect | on non-3g |
| 14:21.19 | Dougie187 | well thats cool |
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| 14:22.06 | Disconnect | and don't forget HAPPY INTERNATIONAL CAPSLOCK DAY. WWW.CAPSLOCKDAY.COM |
| 14:22.21 | Laz | Have to find an IRC client for it now ;) |
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| 14:23.07 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: ah. it prompts, but you have to hit enter to see it. delayed update somewhere. |
| 14:23.10 | Dougie187 | lol write in Ron Paul? |
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| 14:31.53 | wastrel | well that was stressful. got to the store @ 7:30, 9 people in line before me, opened @ 8am, i got out at 9:15 and was 45 min late to work :] |
| 14:32.09 | wastrel | haven't even opened the box yet |
| 14:32.29 | johnx | so the store experience wasn't too quick, huh? |
| 14:32.35 | bodhian | screen |
| 14:32.49 | michaelnovakjr | an hour isn't bad |
| 14:32.54 | michaelnovakjr | those people are sllloooww |
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| 14:33.33 | umdk1d3 | CAPS LOCK DAY YAY OMGBBQ =D |
| 14:33.38 | Death_Syn | Hi |
| 14:33.59 | wastrel | they had 3 agents processing people |
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| 14:36.37 | Death_Syn | I'm about to pick up one of those g1 devices |
| 14:36.44 | Death_Syn | hope it works out well! |
| 14:36.45 | Death_Syn | :) |
| 14:37.00 | zhobbs | Death_Syn: good luck |
| 14:37.05 | Death_Syn | thanks |
| 14:37.21 | zhobbs | http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/10/t-mobile-stor-1.html |
| 14:37.23 | Dougie187 | jasta should be getting his soon. |
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| 14:38.33 | yakischloba | Can anyone report whether they had to pay anything up front? |
| 14:38.37 | Disconnect | g1 doesn't allow for bt file sending/browsing? unpleasant. |
| 14:38.50 | yakischloba | I'm trying to figure out if I need any money when I go (i have great credit) |
| 14:39.01 | Dougie187 | yakischloba: don't you have to pay for the phone + activation? |
| 14:39.04 | Dougie187 | thats what it says online. |
| 14:39.08 | yakischloba | oh, ok |
| 14:39.12 | yakischloba | I couldn't find anything about it |
| 14:39.21 | Dougie187 | if you go to their site you can order it online |
| 14:39.26 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: and i still can't get logged in. does it have an issue with modifiers in passwords? (caps, punctuation...) even leaving aside the late-prompting-ness of the one server |
| 14:39.38 | Dougie187 | it says "Pay today - 180 + 35, Pay monthly (plan price)" |
| 14:39.48 | yakischloba | cool, thanks |
| 14:39.51 | Dougie187 | np |
| 14:40.40 | yakischloba | checks his current plan to see how many minutes he uses |
| 14:41.11 | wastrel | you have to pay for the handset up front |
| 14:41.23 | wastrel | they do a credit check. you don't pay for the plan until the first billing cycle |
| 14:41.27 | yakischloba | gotcha |
| 14:42.04 | Dougie187 | wastrel: + activation right? |
| 14:42.10 | Dougie187 | or do they waive activation in store? |
| 14:42.15 | yakischloba | well I suppose I should be doing the ~$180 or whatever, with the 2 year contract. I assume the contract costs roughly the difference between that and the non-contract purchase, to break |
| 14:42.30 | Dougie187 | well.. |
| 14:42.34 | Dougie187 | non-contract = 400 |
| 14:42.41 | Dougie187 | contract is like 55/month |
| 14:42.42 | wastrel | Dougie187: i don't recall i'll have to check my papers |
| 14:42.50 | wastrel | was in a hurry... "just give me the thing" |
| 14:42.56 | summatusmentis | contract is $55? |
| 14:42.58 | Dougie187 | wastrel: did you pay ~180? or ~210? |
| 14:43.05 | Dougie187 | summatusmentis: i think the cheapest one is. |
| 14:43.10 | Dougie187 | online thats how much it says |
| 14:43.33 | Dougie187 | 29.99 for 300 minutes + 25 for G1 Data w/ 400 sms. |
| 14:43.45 | wastrel | $180 + tax |
| 14:43.48 | yakischloba | Dougie187: I meant the termination fee to get out of the contract |
| 14:43.53 | wastrel | which was $15 |
| 14:43.58 | Dougie187 | wastrel: cool, no activation then. |
| 14:44.04 | Dougie187 | yakischloba: how much is the ets? |
| 14:44.07 | Dougie187 | err.. etf |
| 14:44.14 | michaelnovakjr | do you have to activate the phone? |
| 14:44.20 | Dougie187 | ~$150 |
| 14:44.33 | yakischloba | i would guess so |
| 14:44.36 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr: if you buy it instore don't they do it for you? |
| 14:44.40 | wastrel | also: apparently i have good credit |
| 14:44.45 | summatusmentis | Dougie187: oh, the 400 sms is what confused me. I was unaware there were two difference price plans |
| 14:44.59 | Dougie187 | summatusmentis: yeah, there is 25 for 400 sms, and 30 for unlimited sms |
| 14:45.08 | wastrel | $35 isn't it? |
| 14:45.11 | summatusmentis | looks like 35 |
| 14:45.12 | Dougie187 | but if you have unlimited data and free im... |
| 14:45.16 | Dougie187 | oh. 35. |
| 14:45.21 | Dougie187 | i didn't look at that one too closely. |
| 14:46.30 | summatusmentis | Dougie187: that assumes all your friends also have IM |
| 14:46.38 | summatusmentis | which mine don't |
| 14:46.46 | Dougie187 | true, but you can also go to the website and text people from. |
| 14:46.48 | Dougie187 | from that. |
| 14:46.54 | Dougie187 | or have people text to your email address. |
| 14:46.57 | Dougie187 | and then email to their phone. |
| 14:47.01 | summatusmentis | don't you get charged for incoming? |
| 14:47.07 | michaelnovakjr | yes |
| 14:47.13 | Dougie187 | yeah, but not if they text to your email address. |
| 14:47.18 | zhobbs | I turned email notifications off.... |
| 14:47.19 | summatusmentis | right |
| 14:47.22 | Dougie187 | and with push gmail you'd probably get it faster. |
| 14:47.28 | zhobbs | I don't want to be bothered with email when I'm not working |
| 14:47.48 | summatusmentis | I don't know, 10/mo more for unlimited sms is pretty good |
| 14:48.07 | zhobbs | yeah, I've been texting a lot lately |
| 14:48.07 | summatusmentis | " |
| 14:48.09 | summatusmentis | Includes unlimited Web access and 400 domestic text, picture, e-mail, or instant messages. " |
| 14:48.12 | Dougie187 | yeah, it all depends if you use it or not |
| 14:48.18 | summatusmentis | it looks like IM counts as an sms |
| 14:48.23 | Dougie187 | im just giving alternatives to paying for texts. |
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| 14:48.32 | Dougie187 | that sucks. |
| 14:48.36 | summatusmentis | my alternative is sprint, right now :) |
| 14:48.38 | wastrel | 400 email? |
| 14:48.42 | Dougie187 | summatusmentis: mine too.. |
| 14:48.48 | Dougie187 | good ol' sero plan. |
| 14:48.49 | summatusmentis | Dougie187: are you switching? |
| 14:48.51 | zhobbs | summatusmentis: what?? IM can't count as an SMS? |
| 14:48.52 | Dougie187 | nope. |
| 14:49.09 | summatusmentis | Dougie187: waiting out a Sprint Android device? SERO is too good for me to leave |
| 14:49.17 | summatusmentis | zhobbs: that's what it looks like, but I may be wrong |
| 14:49.18 | Dougie187 | summatusmentis: same here. |
| 14:49.42 | zhobbs | summatusmentis: strange...I bet they are free with Maverick |
| 14:49.43 | summatusmentis | good, now I don't feel as bad :) |
| 14:49.49 | summatusmentis | zhobbs: Maverick? |
| 14:49.56 | Dougie187 | summatusmentis: i don't want to drop my sero plan for tmobile. |
| 14:49.56 | wastrel | i am skeptical about this email business |
| 14:50.09 | kslater | 4000 text messages unlimited data - $25, unlimited / unlimited - $35 |
| 14:50.11 | Dougie187 | wastrel: what email business? |
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| 14:50.16 | summatusmentis | Dougie187: me neither, particularly since gsm doesn't work well for me here |
| 14:50.19 | zhobbs | summatusmentis: a Gtalk IM app on the Android Market |
| 14:50.26 | summatusmentis | zhobbs: oh |
| 14:50.26 | umdk1d3 | Disconnect: cool thanks for the feedback. ill get those issues resolved before i put it on market, probably by later today |
| 14:50.36 | wastrel | 10:48 < summatusmentis> Includes unlimited Web access and 400 domestic text, picture, e-mail, or instant |
| 14:50.39 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: lemme know, i'm always up for testing. |
| 14:50.41 | wastrel | messages. " |
| 14:51.17 | kslater | wastrel: are we talking about the T-Mobile $25 data plan for the G1? |
| 14:51.19 | Dougie187 | zhobbs: it says "G1 data Get unlimited Web access, bundled with any 400 domestic messages. Includes unlimited Web access and 400 domestic text, picture, e-mail, or instant messages." |
| 14:51.28 | Dougie187 | thats the $25 one |
| 14:51.52 | Dougie187 | that sucks. |
| 14:51.59 | Dougie187 | unlimited web access but only 400 emails? |
| 14:52.05 | Dougie187 | and ims? |
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| 14:52.32 | wastrel | kslater: we should ask summatusmentis :] |
| 14:52.44 | summatusmentis | wastrel: I don't actually know, that's just what it says on the tmob site |
| 14:52.55 | Dougie187 | wastrel: its the $25 one. |
| 14:52.56 | zhobbs | what??? that's bullshit...they can't count SMTP/IMAP emails from the Email app |
| 14:53.04 | kslater | wow, I thought it was 4000, not 400 |
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| 14:53.07 | kslater | 400 is useless |
| 14:53.12 | wastrel | don't get spammed :] |
| 14:53.14 | zhobbs | I mean, I don't think the email app is reporting those numbers |
| 14:53.16 | kslater | especially if gtalk counts |
| 14:53.26 | Dougie187 | totally. |
| 14:53.34 | wastrel | it can't count over wifi |
| 14:53.46 | jbronn | I was wondering about that too. I hope they didn't meter the email app; my guess is the built-in IM client is metered. |
| 14:53.48 | kslater | you wouldn't think |
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| 14:53.57 | Poohba | what is the battery life suppose to be on this thing? |
| 14:54.00 | Dougie187 | why don't you check, we have the source. |
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| 14:54.03 | kslater | terrrible |
| 14:54.04 | kslater | lol |
| 14:54.05 | zhobbs | Dougie187: exactly |
| 14:54.14 | Poohba | it was 100% at 7am and now its down to 63% |
| 14:54.21 | wastrel | Poohba: reviewers were saying it would get through the day with light use |
| 14:54.22 | kslater | seems to drain pretty quick from my calcs |
| 14:54.33 | jbronn | Dougie187: haha, yeah. I just did that to find out how to insert a GSM pause in my phone #'s |
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| 14:54.43 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 14:54.57 | Poohba | mine too |
| 14:55.05 | zhobbs | Poohba: battery barely lasts a full day for me |
| 14:55.07 | unix_lappy | laz:lol 400 messages means 400 sms text messages. |
| 14:55.30 | Disconnect | jbronn: im is handled by sms except for gtalk |
| 14:55.31 | unix_lappy | Dougie187: they didnt have the 39 dollar voice plan as a minimum? |
| 14:55.32 | Poohba | my Dash lasted all day with same use... this thing may be going back |
| 14:55.49 | Dougie187 | unix_lappy: the minimum one is 29 |
| 14:55.51 | Disconnect | and yah my battery is going unpleasantly low unpleasantly quickly. but thats likely a sw issue |
| 14:55.52 | Poohba | And what is up with the pocket protector for a case? |
| 14:56.06 | Dougie187 | unix_lappy: their site says 400 messages includes texts, emails, and im's |
| 14:56.16 | wastrel | i still haven't opened the box :] when i have a free minute @ work :] |
| 14:56.26 | unix_lappy | Dougie187: URL? |
| 14:56.34 | Dougie187 | one sec |
| 14:56.48 | Dougie187 | http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/addons/services/default.aspx |
| 14:56.49 | Poohba | is there a way to make one sound for txt and one for email? |
| 14:56.57 | Dougie187 | ionno if it will work for you.. |
| 14:57.12 | Dougie187 | but just add the g1 to your cart and pick a random plan. then in the addons it lists the two data plans |
| 14:57.37 | unix_lappy | Dougie187: nope, doesnt work. |
| 14:57.37 | Dougie187 | Poohba: check out the users manual |
| 14:57.53 | Poohba | left it at home. :( maybe its online |
| 14:58.07 | Dougie187 | unix_lappy: it says "T-Mobile G1 Unlimited Web + 400 Messages Get unlimited Web access, bundled with any 400 domestic messages. Includes unlimited Web access and 400 domestic text, picture, e-mail, or instant messages. " |
| 14:58.24 | unix_lappy | I'm pretty sure wen they equate messages with email they mean some kind of proprietary text -> email messages. |
| 14:58.45 | unix_lappy | well, not proprietary, but yea...i'd wager that's what it means. |
| 14:58.49 | wastrel | that would make sense |
| 14:58.54 | wastrel | the email to txt gateways |
| 14:59.01 | jbronn | ahh, like 212555555@t-mobile.com |
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| 14:59.23 | unix_lappy | yea, no way they could regulate packets efficiently enough to bill on it. |
| 14:59.33 | kslater | Poohba: I have pdf's of both manuals, if you PM me with details I'll send them to you |
| 14:59.49 | Dougie187 | unix_lappy: check out the source and let us know. heh |
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| 15:01.02 | umdk1d3 | just a heads up that the IM app uses a proprietary/internal tmobile gateway, so they /can/ count msn/aim messages aginst you |
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| 15:01.30 | umdk1d3 | *as reported by someone else |
| 15:01.30 | Dougie187 | i bet the email app does a similar thing. |
| 15:02.29 | Dougie187 | all the more reason to get the $35 data plan i guess. |
| 15:02.42 | Dougie187 | i could go through 400 IM's in a day. |
| 15:02.42 | kslater | exactly |
| 15:02.43 | wastrel | that's how they get ya |
| 15:02.45 | umdk1d3 | or get a different IM app |
| 15:02.47 | michaelnovakjr | of course, that is what they want you to get |
| 15:02.49 | kslater | unless you really just don't do messaging |
| 15:03.03 | Dougie187 | umdk1d3: and email app. |
| 15:03.32 | michaelnovakjr | they probably count at the gateway :) |
| 15:03.37 | michaelnovakjr | not on the app side |
| 15:03.45 | Dougie187 | no, but hes saying the app uses a gateway. |
| 15:03.47 | michaelnovakjr | that would just be stupid of them |
| 15:03.54 | Dougie187 | so you could write a different app that doesn't use that gateway. |
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| 15:04.11 | michaelnovakjr | maybe, but don't forget who controls the network :) |
| 15:04.17 | umdk1d3 | i wonder, does anyone know if tmobile summarizes data usage on their bills? or did they learn from at+ts 70-page iphone bills? |
| 15:04.38 | Dougie187 | true, but if you aren't using their im gateway it would be harder for them to track your im's. |
| 15:04.42 | Dougie187 | and your emails. |
| 15:04.49 | johnx | well, if they encrypted tunnels, then whoever controls the keys controls that network stream :) |
| 15:05.02 | plusminus_ | YEEEEEEEEEEEEHA |
| 15:05.06 | plusminus_ | got it |
| 15:05.13 | Dougie187 | plusminus_: you got contract free right? |
| 15:05.14 | umdk1d3 | =D |
| 15:05.26 | plusminus_ | ? |
| 15:05.33 | plusminus_ | where do you know |
| 15:05.42 | Dougie187 | plusminus_: ... how much did you pay? 180 or 400? |
| 15:05.52 | plusminus_ | 400 |
| 15:05.57 | Dougie187 | then you're contract free. |
| 15:06.18 | plusminus_ | didn't matter, because I would have to skip the 2y contract when I'm leaving in 5 months |
| 15:06.33 | Dougie187 | was it difficult to get it contract free? |
| 15:06.34 | umdk1d3 | plusminus_: did they sell you a plan then? |
| 15:06.46 | umdk1d3 | like, you have to stay with tmobile for 3 months, or did they unlock it in front of you? |
| 15:07.06 | Dougie187 | umdk1d3: i don't think they ever unlock it for you. |
| 15:07.27 | Dougie187 | umdk1d3: at least from the things i read... it sounded like they don't want you to unlock it for 90 days, but after that you can if you want. |
| 15:07.34 | wastrel | umdk1d3: there's a summary bill and you can pay for a detailed bill. you can check details online for free |
| 15:07.41 | plusminus_ | i got flexpay |
| 15:07.48 | plusminus_ | with unlimited data |
| 15:07.48 | Dougie187 | yeah, so its month to month. |
| 15:07.52 | unix_lappy | plusminus_: did you end up buying the 30 or 40 dollar / mo voice plan? |
| 15:07.56 | umdk1d3 | wastrel: ah cool |
| 15:07.56 | plusminus_ | yep |
| 15:08.06 | plusminus_ | unix_lappy: iI got the cheapest one |
| 15:08.09 | plusminus_ | which is 30 |
| 15:08.14 | unix_lappy | flexpay? |
| 15:08.14 | plusminus_ | or 29 sth |
| 15:08.49 | plusminus_ | 29,99 voice and 34,99 data+msg |
| 15:09.13 | Dougie187 | someone should port pidgin to the G1 |
| 15:09.15 | plusminus_ | I managed to crash the startup-app where you have to pick your google-account xD |
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| 15:09.23 | wastrel | nice |
| 15:09.40 | plusminus_ | but worked on the second try |
| 15:09.42 | plusminus_ | which app tp try first ?? |
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| 15:10.12 | plusminus_ | HA I'll try one of my own :P |
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| 15:10.50 | dmoffett | My buddy got me a $130 a month plan. I hope I can get out of it. |
| 15:10.57 | michaelnovakjr | pidgin is terrible |
| 15:11.03 | michaelnovakjr | crashes constant;y |
| 15:11.03 | dmoffett | but I did get a phone. :-) |
| 15:11.05 | michaelnovakjr | ly |
| 15:11.05 | jbronn | Someone contacted customer service, who told them that email via gmail, yahoo, etc. doesn't get charged like txt msgs: http://tinyurl.com/5rvtkt. |
| 15:11.09 | plusminus_ | dmoffett: wtf 130 :D |
| 15:11.11 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr: better then paying per im |
| 15:11.12 | summatusmentis | I wish there was a dev phone option available |
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| 15:11.23 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr: and it's never crashed on me. |
| 15:11.23 | mpardo | stupid question but I figure someone here will have a quick answer |
| 15:11.32 | mpardo | i just wanna put a logo on a view |
| 15:11.34 | coonsta | Dev phone option? |
| 15:11.35 | dmoffett | T-Mo should send me a Christmas card. |
| 15:11.41 | mpardo | xml? |
| 15:11.44 | michaelnovakjr | Dougie187: there's no other IM app written? |
| 15:12.01 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr: ionno. but im just saying. if there isn't someone should port pidgin. |
| 15:12.03 | summatusmentis | coonsta: so we could buy a phone to use for development/play, but not buy it through a provider |
| 15:12.12 | coonsta | Ah, agreed. |
| 15:12.18 | Disconnect | whee. 'debug mode' rebooted my phone. |
| 15:12.22 | Terdhex | Question, after compiling the source code, how do you load the emulator? Where is it located? |
| 15:12.52 | Poohba | hmm. still waiting on it but thanks! |
| 15:13.05 | plusminus_ | Copy-Paste works fine :) |
| 15:13.21 | Dougie187 | Terdhex: afaik they are two disjoint things. emulator is part of SDK, not source code. |
| 15:13.22 | plusminus_ | Edge works on about 20Kb/s |
| 15:13.41 | Terdhex | Dougie187, right. I meant the new image |
| 15:14.01 | Dougie187 | Terdhex: but i don't have the source. so i couldn't tell you if you can replace the image the emulator uses. |
| 15:14.09 | coonsta | mpardo: You can't just make an ImageView a child of your View, and configure the ImageView to display the logo? |
| 15:14.36 | plusminus_ | wtf I tried to install a simple game (Sudoku) and it says it would replace another app... |
| 15:14.44 | mpardo | k |
| 15:14.57 | plusminus_ | it says it wants to do EVERYTHING with my G1... |
| 15:15.16 | Dougie187 | is the market open yet? |
| 15:15.29 | Dougie187 | i haven't heard anything about that in a couple days. |
| 15:15.31 | Terdhex | you can replace the image.. however, I noticed there is a section on the source for QEMU, it looks like the emulator itself.. |
| 15:15.43 | noodlesgc | if anyone is interested I compiled it successfully using the openjdk rather than sun-java |
| 15:15.51 | plusminus_ | can non-market apps be installed at all? |
| 15:16.00 | unix_lappy | plusminus_: any reason you opted for the 30 w/ 350 minutes instead of the 40 w/ 600 minutes |
| 15:16.07 | Terdhex | I compiled successfully (I think) using sun-java |
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| 15:17.27 | plusminus_ | unix_lappy: the reason is because I do not use voice a lot |
| 15:17.31 | plusminus_ | maybe 10 min/month |
| 15:17.57 | plusminus_ | (because I have not many phone-contacts here in the US and foreign calls are not included) |
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| 15:20.00 | Dougie187 | plusminus_: how long are you in the us for? |
| 15:20.01 | unix_lappy | meh, we have 20 days to return and cancel contract anyway :-P |
| 15:20.18 | plusminus_ | 5 months |
| 15:20.27 | Poohba | got it. thanks |
| 15:20.28 | Dougie187 | 5 months left? or 5 months total? |
| 15:21.38 | plusminus_ | left |
| 15:21.46 | Laz | 14 days to return |
| 15:21.53 | Laz | unless you live in cali |
| 15:22.17 | Dougie187 | plusminus_: why are you here for so long? |
| 15:22.23 | plusminus_ | internship |
| 15:22.53 | Dougie187 | thats cool |
| 15:22.57 | Dougie187 | is the internship fun? |
| 15:23.10 | plusminus_ | project sucks |
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| 15:24.28 | plusminus_ | mh, do we need to turn on GPS manually ? |
| 15:24.45 | umdk1d3 | plusminus_: in settings yea |
| 15:24.50 | VickiWong | plusminus_: you got you G1? |
| 15:24.56 | VickiWong | your* |
| 15:24.58 | unix_lappy | ahh, yea 14 days. |
| 15:25.06 | plusminus_ | yes |
| 15:25.12 | VickiWong | plusminus_: lucky :( |
| 15:25.15 | VickiWong | :) * |
| 15:26.15 | plusminus_ | :) |
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| 15:26.56 | tethridge | has anybody seen any commercials from tmo about the g1? |
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| 15:27.14 | tethridge | I've seen the "er" commercial online, but not on tv |
| 15:27.41 | plusminus_ | I love the unlock-pattern stuff :) |
| 15:27.51 | VickiWong | tethridge: not seen anything on HK or UK TV for G1 or anything to do with Android |
| 15:28.08 | tethridge | plusminus_, remember to wipe it down |
| 15:28.45 | plusminus_ | wipe ? |
| 15:29.02 | tethridge | greasy fingers will give your passcode away |
| 15:29.10 | plusminus_ | ^^ yeah |
| 15:29.35 | jbronn | anyone know how to connect as a privileged user using adb to the G1? I get `permission denied` on a lot of dirs and have a `$` prompt, unlike the emu. |
| 15:30.09 | plusminus_ | damn, no ICQ-IM :( |
| 15:31.19 | umdk1d3 | plusminus_: doesnt aim work for icq? |
| 15:32.03 | oinkboink | well, is there no android-market website? |
| 15:32.08 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: got anything for me to test? :) |
| 15:32.49 | Disconnect | anyone know how the g1 plan and the family plans interact? |
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| 15:33.28 | Dougie187 | Disconnect: try to order it online. |
| 15:33.35 | Dougie187 | That should help you out. |
| 15:33.47 | Disconnect | i did order online |
| 15:34.03 | VickiWong | anyone had luck finidng the UK price plans for G1? All i can find is talk of a '40 pounds all in' plan for free device |
| 15:34.05 | Disconnect | preordered in fact |
| 15:39.12 | umdk1d3 | Disconnect: getting there ;) debugging piles of other stuff atm tho |
| 15:39.17 | Disconnect | no worries. |
| 15:39.34 | NiZoX | http://git.source.android.com/?p=platform/bootloader/legacy.git;a=blob;f=fastboot_protocol.txt;h=2248992d26d5077a28d803e32057f83abb315d21;hb=HEAD |
| 15:39.39 | NiZoX | :)) |
| 15:39.43 | Disconnect | @ actual-work i just discovered that the "maybe fix locked up vm" fix i made causes it to die within a couple mins instead of hours. |
| 15:39.44 | Disconnect | :( |
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| 15:40.30 | jeld | I wonder, so, since the source has been released, would it be possible to run native binaries on G1? |
| 15:41.03 | unix_lappy | source != usable image. |
| 15:41.04 | vol | it has been |
| 15:41.09 | vol | possible |
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| 15:41.17 | vol | you just don't get any real graphical interaction :P |
| 15:41.21 | vol | but you can run them from the shell! |
| 15:41.54 | NiZoX | unix_lappy: fastboot allows to boot an other image |
| 15:42.10 | Disconnect | anyone want to add the "can't build g1 images" note to either known-issues webpage or to the topic? |
| 15:42.34 | famast | Has anyone got MediaPlayer to actually play a video? I am getting a SIGSEGV on libmedia.so |
| 15:42.36 | xorl | the g1 supports memory cards or no? |
| 15:42.39 | umdk1d3 | agreed, that should probably be put in topic |
| 15:42.42 | vol | xorl: yes |
| 15:42.48 | xorl | micro sd? |
| 15:42.53 | Disconnect | and random side note, 2g microsd for $4 each @ woot.com ($5 flat-rate shipping for up to 3 of them) but its a wootoff, so it won't last more than a few mins. |
| 15:42.59 | Disconnect | but they fit the g1 |
| 15:43.07 | xorl | Disconnect: I just bought 3 lol |
| 15:43.11 | Disconnect | heh |
| 15:43.17 | xorl | that's why I asked |
| 15:43.17 | xorl | haha |
| 15:43.17 | umdk1d3 | are they the right microsd class? |
| 15:43.18 | Disconnect | has a 4g and is gonna get a 16 later, so.. |
| 15:43.21 | plusminus_ | browsing is fine :) http://www.anddev.org/g1_in_my_hands-t3232.html |
| 15:43.29 | Disconnect | http://s3.amazonaws.com/wootsaleimages/Kingston_2GB_Micro_SD_Card_with_Adaptera75Detail.jpg |
| 15:43.43 | unix_lappy | umdk1d3: what should be in the topic? |
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| 15:43.47 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: not anymore. now they're the "sold out" class :) |
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| 15:43.56 | SanMehat | umdk1d3: any class card will work in the G1 |
| 15:44.13 | xorl | yeah at least my order went through |
| 15:44.23 | topeira | does anoyne know of a document explaining the graphics arch? |
| 15:44.44 | xorl | topeira: anddev.org has graphics related things on their forum that should cover it |
| 15:45.10 | topeira | xorl: thanks |
| 15:45.39 | umdk1d3 | SanMehat: ah good to know |
| 15:45.47 | xorl | Disconnect: hah i'm amazed my order went through |
| 15:45.55 | SanMehat | umdk1d3: they just not be very *fast* :) |
| 15:46.11 | umdk1d3 | unix_lappy: that users cant deploy custom OS builds onto their newly-acquired G1s (afaik) |
| 15:46.14 | plusminus_ | can't apps be downloaded via EDGE ?? |
| 15:46.18 | plusminus_ | I mean from the market |
| 15:46.23 | romainguy | plusminus_: they can |
| 15:46.25 | SanMehat | plusminus_: yup |
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| 15:46.41 | xorl | i should have just gone in the store and gotten my G1 :( |
| 15:46.47 | xorl | Now I won't get it till the 10th :( |
| 15:46.56 | plusminus_ | Says "Starting download..." for really long now... |
| 15:47.28 | plusminus_ | romainguy: can apps already be installed properly from the browser ? |
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| 15:47.29 | oinkboink | android supports .wav audio files? |
| 15:47.34 | romainguy | plusminus_: yes |
| 15:47.51 | plusminus_ | they should appear in the menu, right? |
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| 15:49.27 | Disconnect | xorl: go to teh store, and if you get one tell them to cancel the order. no worries. |
| 15:49.40 | plusminus_ | damn thats neat in the youtube-app further videos get loaded when you scroll to the end of the search-list |
| 15:49.41 | xorl | I think I can wait lol |
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| 15:50.19 | VickiWong | Woot wont deliver to UK :( sucks |
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| 15:50.31 | umdk1d3 | is rolling duct tape over all sorts of bugs |
| 15:50.39 | summatusmentis | Theres a wootoff today? noone told me! |
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| 15:50.49 | plusminus_ | just watching a youtube-video... |
| 15:50.50 | Disconnect | you weren't around |
| 15:50.56 | NiZoX | romainguy: do you know when we will see the G1 in france? |
| 15:51.05 | plusminus_ | loads about 2x speed than it can be watched on EDGE |
| 15:51.05 | VickiWong | summatusmentis: there sure is, i been watching it for hours, even though i cant order anything >< |
| 15:51.05 | romainguy | plusminus_: over WiFi you can get HD videos on YouTube |
| 15:51.08 | romainguy | nizox: no idea |
| 15:51.09 | summatusmentis | Disconnect: I checked it last night, and was like "wow, that sold fast" |
| 15:51.19 | NiZoX | :( |
| 15:51.25 | plusminus_ | romainguy: yes I was awaitign that :) |
| 15:51.32 | Disconnect | lol |
| 15:51.39 | plusminus_ | sound is good imo |
| 15:51.39 | VickiWong | anyone know the UK price plans for the G1? |
| 15:52.18 | Disconnect | i saw the ceiling speaker this morning and thought "wow, crappy, not again".. then realized it was a wootoff about 2 items later |
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| 15:52.31 | Disconnect | except for sound mywoot.net works on g1 :) |
| 15:52.35 | Disconnect | sound requires flash :( |
| 15:52.46 | VickiWong | Disconnect: yeah there has been some serious crap, as per usual for woot-off |
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| 15:53.23 | summatusmentis | does mywoot.net check on it's own? |
| 15:53.24 | mpardo | can you put an image in a toast? |
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| 15:54.18 | Ramzez | hi |
| 15:54.50 | wastrel | finally had a second to unbox. did we reach consensus about fully charging the battery before using the phone? |
| 15:54.58 | Ramzez | has anyone seen this error while trying to make android source: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 15:54.58 | Ramzez | make: *** [out/target/product/generic/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libwebcore_intermediates/LINKED/libwebcore.so] Error 1 |
| 15:56.50 | umdk1d3 | AHA i found an infinite loop =D |
| 15:56.52 | umdk1d3 | fixes |
| 15:57.12 | harrdawg | Does anyone know how I can add checkboxes to a BaseAdapter ListView? |
| 15:57.32 | Disconnect | summatusmentis: yah it just refreshes magically |
| 15:57.33 | cbeust___ | You mean checkboxes to individual list items? |
| 15:57.38 | harrdawg | Yes. |
| 15:57.57 | summatusmentis | Disconnect: :) I also setit up so my phone gets a text when there's a new item |
| 15:57.58 | cbeust___ | Look for setChoiceMode on ListView |
| 15:58.21 | VickiWong | Anybody know how to add toggle buttons to the menu using XML? |
| 15:58.47 | harrdawg | I've set that to ListView.CHOICE_MODE_MUTLIPLE, which makes them choosable but it doesn't actually add the image. |
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| 15:59.35 | harrdawg | The example in the API Demos passes android.R.layout.simple_list_item_multiple_choice to and ArrayAdapter. |
| 15:59.45 | harrdawg | But, BaseAdapter don't have the constructor. |
| 15:59.46 | cbeust___ | Look at CheckedTextView |
| 15:59.56 | harrdawg | BaseAdapters* |
| 16:00.17 | d4v3y0rk | i don't know if this is where I should bring this up but... |
| 16:00.24 | harrdawg | Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to add CheckedTextView to my listview. |
| 16:00.51 | d4v3y0rk | curl is not installed on ubuntu by default and it is used in the instructions for setting up the repo on the get source page... |
| 16:01.02 | harrdawg | Because the adapter functionality autmatcially calls a list view with the ID android:list. |
| 16:01.27 | harrdawg | And places values into it behind the scenes. |
| 16:01.48 | harrdawg | But, I don't know how to control the TextView it uses for each list element. |
| 16:02.00 | harrdawg | (I'm assuming that's how it works." |
| 16:02.01 | cbeust___ | You'll need a list adapter for that |
| 16:02.02 | harrdawg | ) |
| 16:02.21 | jbailey | d4v3y0rk: Ugh. Sorry about that. wget isn't installed by default on the Mac. |
| 16:02.28 | harrdawg | Gotcha. |
| 16:02.31 | jbailey | I thought curl was in base. |
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| 16:03.18 | harrdawg | That answers my question. Thanks a bunch. I actually have the adapter. I forgot the the adapter sets the view. |
| 16:03.27 | d4v3y0rk | i am using ubuntu 8.04 and i had to apt-get install curl to accomplish the repo install |
| 16:03.30 | cbeust___ | Sure thing |
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| 16:04.13 | Ramzez | @d4v3y0rk, did you manage to successfully make android from source? |
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| 16:04.40 | d4v3y0rk | i am waiting for repo sync to finish |
| 16:04.41 | jbailey | d4v3y0rk: Fixed, thanks. |
| 16:04.59 | d4v3y0rk | that was fast |
| 16:05.30 | jbailey | =) |
| 16:05.47 | d4v3y0rk | it puts a big smile on my face to see this project moving like this and to be able to help. even though I have not finished downloading the source yet lol |
| 16:06.18 | Ramzez | i got the source, but cannot make it :( |
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| 16:08.49 | steventroughtons | so, the IM app is intentionally stripped and disabled. ouch :-/ |
| 16:09.16 | d4v3y0rk | Ramzez what kind of error are you getting when you make |
| 16:09.37 | unix_lappy | steventroughtons: you'll likely see a ton of other IM apps. |
| 16:09.56 | steventroughtons | sure, i'm not worried about the functionality, i'm just sad not to have the source running :) |
| 16:10.07 | Ramzez | the error is: target SharedLib: libwebcore (out/target/product/generic/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libwebcore_intermediates/LINKED/libwebcore.so) |
| 16:10.07 | Ramzez | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 16:10.07 | Ramzez | make: *** [out/target/product/generic/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libwebcore_intermediates/LINKED/libwebcore.so] Error 1 |
| 16:10.47 | Ramzez | not sure what that means |
| 16:11.19 | Ramzez | looked through known issues, there was some problem with webkit, but i did what it says on the website and no luck so far |
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| 16:12.01 | Disconnect | fyi looks like OTA update is gonna be pushed out (like it or not) tomorrow |
| 16:12.02 | d4v3y0rk | ld is a unix linker have you check to make sure the file libwebcore.so exists? |
| 16:12.24 | Ramzez | the file doesn't exists |
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| 16:12.52 | vol | Disconnect: what update |
| 16:12.58 | d4v3y0rk | i would go to the root of your .repo and do a "find | grep libweb" |
| 16:13.03 | Disconnect | ah looks like you can snooze it but not completely abort |
| 16:13.10 | jasta | *grin* |
| 16:13.19 | Disconnect | http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=87&message.id=3540#M3540 |
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| 16:14.28 | NiZoX | plusminus_: you can get root access on your g1? |
| 16:14.51 | jasta | *damn* |
| 16:14.56 | jasta | forgot my sync cable in the car :) |
| 16:14.58 | jasta | i want to load five on here so bad |
| 16:15.04 | vol | ah, good, so they don't actually tell you what it does. |
| 16:15.39 | *** topic/#android by morrildl -> This looks like fun, wish I could go: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/1116168/ |
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| 16:16.04 | trashguy | so |
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| 16:16.12 | trashguy | battery life on the g1 is fail :( |
| 16:16.18 | Disconnect | yah so far |
| 16:16.22 | Handcrafted | okay, how is it? |
| 16:16.24 | Disconnect | hopefully the update will fix that |
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| 16:16.33 | trashguy | i had it on |
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| 16:16.38 | trashguy | maybe for 4 hours lastnight |
| 16:16.38 | trashguy | and |
| 16:16.43 | trashguy | it went form 100% to 2% |
| 16:16.45 | trashguy | :/ |
| 16:16.57 | Handcrafted | wow, that's gross |
| 16:16.58 | trashguy | fortuantley |
| 16:17.02 | Disconnect | on mine at least part of it is heavy heavy use. but yah, i wiped 50% of it doing some light web browsing for 20 mins and a game for 30.. |
| 16:17.07 | Disconnect | ooh food bbl |
| 16:17.08 | trashguy | it can take a normal USB plug |
| 16:17.32 | Goosey | Is there any methods for improving the GPS? It is completely failing on me |
| 16:17.35 | Handcrafted | btw, does anybody know if Skype is comming to Android? |
| 16:17.38 | ttuttle | Goosey: Go outside? |
| 16:17.41 | trashguy | Goosey, i have the same issue |
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| 16:18.03 | trashguy | even outside |
| 16:18.05 | trashguy | mienis like |
| 16:18.06 | trashguy | ? |
| 16:18.15 | Goosey | wants a USB GPS booster accessory posthaste! |
| 16:18.17 | jasta | this thing is slick :) |
| 16:18.20 | trashguy | yes |
| 16:18.24 | trashguy | i like it |
| 16:18.33 | jasta | runs out to his car to get the sync cable |
| 16:18.36 | jasta | i want to see five up on this ;) |
| 16:18.42 | trashguy | you can use normal usb |
| 16:18.43 | trashguy | ^^ |
| 16:19.01 | Handcrafted | Anybody, will any words on Skype for Android? |
| 16:19.21 | zhobbs | Handcrafted: there's a skype client in the Market already |
| 16:19.24 | trashguy | Handcrafted, nothing that i know of oficcialy but im pretty sure its a given |
| 16:19.30 | trashguy | really |
| 16:19.40 | trashguy | wow i missed that obne |
| 16:19.43 | Ramzez | hmm, may try that |
| 16:20.07 | jasta | is there no interface for picasa pictures tho? thats kinda weak :) |
| 16:20.19 | trashguy | im pretty sure |
| 16:20.28 | Handcrafted | zhobbs: Great, Then I'll just buy an 3Boost contract and then I'll be surfihng and skyping without any kind of callimng fees |
| 16:20.29 | trashguy | in a few months |
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| 16:20.41 | trashguy | anyoen know |
| 16:20.57 | trashguy | if it works of hotspots like blackberrys do? |
| 16:21.15 | trashguy | for calls |
| 16:21.18 | trashguy | messages etc |
| 16:21.23 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk> , how do you increase the size of lines terminal can show history in ubuntu? |
| 16:21.44 | trashguy | Ramzez, you using like gterm? |
| 16:21.47 | Disconnect | has anoyne managed to get opera mini apk working on the device? i get manifest errors when installing via adb |
| 16:21.54 | Disconnect | (or is there a better way to install?) |
| 16:22.05 | steventroughtons | Interesting, even pulling the Maps.apk and map library, and the gtalk library, from the SDK and pushing them into the compiled image, neither work properly |
| 16:22.09 | d4v3y0rk | i am getting a build error also Ramzez |
| 16:22.10 | steventroughtons | maps runs, but cant load the tileset |
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| 16:22.15 | steventroughtons | complains about jpeg data |
| 16:22.36 | d4v3y0rk | seems I am missing a file in my out folder too |
| 16:22.38 | Ramzez | right |
| 16:22.59 | Disconnect | actually i guess i haven't gotten -any- apks installed successfully that way but that might be the source files |
| 16:23.02 | unix_lappy | trashguy: 4 hours seems like a bit of an embellishment. |
| 16:23.23 | Ramzez | d4v3y0rk, yeah, not sure what to do next |
| 16:23.37 | d4v3y0rk | i am working on it |
| 16:23.39 | d4v3y0rk | hang on |
| 16:23.47 | jbailey | Ramzez: Pasting the build error is often a good start. =) |
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| 16:23.55 | jbailey | Or putting it in a pastebin or something. |
| 16:24.11 | trashguy | unix_lappy, im not sure if i understan dthat word lol |
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| 16:24.41 | d4v3y0rk | make: *** [out/host/linux-x86/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libneo_cgi_intermediates/cgi.o] Error 1 |
| 16:24.42 | Ramzez | <@jbailey> that's the only one i get, i posted it previously |
| 16:24.55 | unix_lappy | trashguy: seems too low, even for the G1 or the iPhone. |
| 16:25.02 | trashguy | it sux |
| 16:25.04 | Ramzez | couldn't see anything else, how can i increatse the buffer in the terminal? |
| 16:25.35 | trashguy | unix_lappy, im sure it will be a resolved issue |
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| 16:25.57 | trashguy | I havent even tried to access the cli on it yet |
| 16:26.14 | trashguy | i been putting off messing with android so i could actually get work done lol |
| 16:26.16 | d4v3y0rk | i think it has something to do with zlib on my end |
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| 16:26.26 | wastrel | trashguy: ditto, mine is just sitting on my desk charging |
| 16:26.29 | d4v3y0rk | external/clearsilver/cgi/cgi.c:22:18: error: zlib.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:26.31 | plusminus_ | Work in progress: http://www.anddev.org/viewtopic.php?p=11968#11968 |
| 16:26.32 | wastrel | haven't powered it on yet :] |
| 16:26.55 | Ramzez | i don't remember seeing this problem |
| 16:27.10 | d4v3y0rk | it is several lines above the final make error |
| 16:27.18 | d4v3y0rk | in mine |
| 16:27.49 | romainguy_ | plusminus_: for your browser install issue, it seems like you have an early 1.0 build that contained this bug |
| 16:27.52 | romainguy_ | we fixed it since then |
| 16:27.58 | unix_lappy | trashguy: it's not really an issue you can resolve. |
| 16:28.00 | romainguy_ | also, did you enable unknown sources in the settings? |
| 16:28.26 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk> , how can i increase the number of lines in terminal, maybe it is way up? |
| 16:28.38 | trashguy | unix_lappy, i think it might have something to do with tmobile not having 3g in most of los angeles and it keeps switching to check for the network etc |
| 16:28.38 | d4v3y0rk | i think I figured it out |
| 16:28.41 | d4v3y0rk | you on ubuntu? |
| 16:28.54 | trashguy | unix_lappy, plus simple things like auto turn the screen off when not being used |
| 16:29.00 | trashguy | im on ubuntu |
| 16:29.01 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk> yup |
| 16:29.30 | d4v3y0rk | apt-get install zlib1g-dev zlib-bin zlibc |
| 16:29.35 | d4v3y0rk | that fixed mine |
| 16:29.52 | unix_lappy | trashguy: in most of LA? that's odd, most of Texas has 3G. |
| 16:30.06 | Terdhex | Alright... emulator loaded with compiled images |
| 16:30.09 | trashguy | unix_lappy, well tmobile is aids here |
| 16:30.13 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk> , let me try |
| 16:31.29 | trashguy | anyone figure out how to put a diff memory card in, i feel as if im goign to smash it to pieces, i freaked out just putting the battery in |
| 16:31.33 | plusminus_ | romainguy how are automatical system upates triggered? |
| 16:31.45 | romainguy_ | plusminus_: with the network? |
| 16:31.54 | romainguy_ | trashguy: the trapdoor is at the bottom of they keyboard on the left |
| 16:31.55 | plusminus_ | oh when I mean |
| 16:32.04 | mattl | trashguy: aids here? |
| 16:32.13 | romainguy_ | when there's a reason to update :) |
| 16:32.35 | trashguy | romainguy, leave it to me to try it with the slide shut |
| 16:32.38 | plusminus_ | hm ok so that reason was not 'big' enough? |
| 16:32.59 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk> , if run make again that doesn't help |
| 16:33.06 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk> , will try to clean up |
| 16:33.11 | romainguy_ | trashguy: you can but you should open the keyboard first :)) |
| 16:33.14 | d4v3y0rk | that did not help |
| 16:33.19 | d4v3y0rk | hmm |
| 16:33.31 | unix_lappy | wow, apparently bunch of people checking 3g coverage. |
| 16:33.36 | romainguy_ | plusminus_: updating phones over the air is not an easy task |
| 16:33.39 | romainguy_ | it costs a lot of bandwidth |
| 16:33.42 | d4v3y0rk | are you using gnome-terminal or in other words Accessories>Terminal |
| 16:33.46 | romainguy_ | it can take a long time for people to download the update |
| 16:33.53 | romainguy_ | and you always risk bricking |
| 16:34.04 | jasonlee | how do you set the user-agent string on HttpClient? |
| 16:34.06 | unix_lappy | trashguy: i'm seeing mos tof LA having 3g coverage. |
| 16:34.06 | trashguy | sidekicks always did it fine |
| 16:34.07 | Disconnect | is there a way to install a new trusted CA certficate? (specifically, cacert.org) |
| 16:34.08 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk> , accesorries>terminal |
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| 16:34.21 | romainguy_ | but we have updates planned |
| 16:34.22 | Disconnect | or at -least- force the mail app to accept a cert it doesn't like |
| 16:34.24 | trashguy | unix_lappy, well in relaity atleast in the northern areas i dont have it |
| 16:34.39 | romainguy_ | Disconnect: you can simply not use SSL |
| 16:34.46 | Disconnect | romainguy: riiight.. |
| 16:34.49 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk> , by the way, do you know how one can debug shared library (.so) while running java activity? |
| 16:35.05 | Disconnect | hasn't had a device yet that couldn't learn either a new ca cert or (minimum) accept a particular untrusted cert. why start now? |
| 16:35.45 | Disconnect | romainguy_: and since passwords are hard to remember i'll just change them all to my username, with a 0 at the end... |
| 16:35.54 | romainguy_ | Disconnect: ... |
| 16:35.57 | Disconnect | its not like cellphones are ever used in hostile environments :) |
| 16:36.09 | unix_lappy | trashguy: south of Laguna is stretching it calling it LA. |
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| 16:37.03 | d4v3y0rk | i am not sure about that |
| 16:37.15 | jasta | hmm |
| 16:37.23 | d4v3y0rk | you should be able to scroll up in your terminal window and see above the last line |
| 16:37.28 | trashguy | unix_lappy, i mean if downtown has it cool, but "LA" is pretty big |
| 16:37.31 | d4v3y0rk | like on mine i use the mouse scroll |
| 16:37.43 | d4v3y0rk | don't you have a scrollbar on your gnome-terminal window? |
| 16:37.45 | trashguy | is there a terminal on the phone itself? |
| 16:37.45 | Ramzez | running make again from the start |
| 16:38.00 | Ramzez | i do :) |
| 16:38.13 | d4v3y0rk | i am getting another error now |
| 16:38.19 | Ramzez | which one is that? |
| 16:38.30 | d4v3y0rk | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 16:38.50 | d4v3y0rk | make: *** [out/host/linux-x86/obj/EXECUTABLES/adb_intermediates/adb] Error 1 |
| 16:39.13 | d4v3y0rk | and right before the collect line i have... |
| 16:39.15 | d4v3y0rk | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lncurses |
| 16:39.16 | mattl | trashguy: under dev tools |
| 16:39.22 | Ramzez | hmm, i didn't see that one, btw, the scroll bar doesn't go up enough.... |
| 16:39.29 | d4v3y0rk | oh i see |
| 16:39.29 | jasta | romainguy: hmm, am i missing something obvious here? how do i use adb on this device? |
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| 16:39.46 | romainguy_ | jasta: turn on USB debugging in settings > apps |
| 16:39.52 | jasta | i did |
| 16:39.54 | romainguy_ | > development |
| 16:40.02 | romainguy_ | then there you go |
| 16:40.06 | eggy | is the simulator included in this gagantic code base, or is the SDK/Simulator stuff seperate? |
| 16:40.16 | jasta | then when i plugged it in i got usb-storage modules loaded and it gave me /dev/sdb |
| 16:40.16 | Disconnect | jasta: once usb is on make sure there isn't an emulator running. adb should Just Work at that point |
| 16:40.20 | Disconnect | oh and disbale usb storage |
| 16:40.23 | romainguy_ | eggy: the emulator is in the codebase |
| 16:40.23 | jasta | which is the sd card |
| 16:40.25 | Handcrafted | Are there any wordeditors for Android? |
| 16:40.25 | Disconnect | that overrides everything |
| 16:40.39 | eggy | romainguy_, thanks |
| 16:40.40 | jasta | Disconnect: ah ok, thanks |
| 16:40.45 | jasta | ill try that |
| 16:40.49 | romainguy_ | jasta: on Linux you might need to disable USB mass storage |
| 16:40.54 | romainguy_ | on Mac OS X you can have both |
| 16:41.01 | d4v3y0rk | Ramzez, in gnome-terminal to go the edit menu and click "Current Profile" |
| 16:41.08 | d4v3y0rk | then in that dialog go to scrolling |
| 16:41.11 | Disconnect | romainguy_: i didn't have working adb under osx until usb storage was off. |
| 16:41.17 | trashguy | mattl, under where i don't see it |
| 16:41.18 | romainguy_ | weird |
| 16:41.20 | d4v3y0rk | there is a place to edit how many scroll lines you can see back |
| 16:41.26 | romainguy_ | I never had any issue with mass storage on + adb |
| 16:41.52 | romainguy_ | I turn it off usually because it unmounts the SD Card on the device, so your app cna't use it while plugged in |
| 16:41.56 | jasta | is there any official documentation on this? |
| 16:41.58 | Ramzez | right, that just crashed |
| 16:42.09 | d4v3y0rk | crashed your terminal? |
| 16:42.15 | Ramzez | yup |
| 16:42.39 | Disconnect | so no way to get cacert certs into the g1? :( |
| 16:42.57 | Ramzez | ok, modified to 9999, starting again |
| 16:43.18 | Ramzez | i guess doesn't like modifications while running something |
| 16:43.39 | d4v3y0rk | lol |
| 16:43.42 | d4v3y0rk | prolly not |
| 16:44.16 | Disconnect | whats the word on installing modified apps over top of the existing ones? do they need to be magic or is that just for the complete flash image? (assuming email is OS, which I haven't checked) |
| 16:44.32 | Guest13000 | I am getting the following error when building. Anyone seen this? |
| 16:44.32 | languish | is there a method for dropping to runlevel 1 on the G1 without pulling code from elsewhere? |
| 16:44.33 | Guest13000 | java.lang.NullPointerException |
| 16:44.33 | Guest13000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.33 | Guest13000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.33 | Guest13000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.33 | Guest13000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.34 | Guest13000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.36 | Guest13000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.39 | Guest13000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.40 | Guest13000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.42 | romainguy_ | Disconnect: it won't work if they have the same package name |
| 16:44.43 | Guest13000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.44 | Guest13000 | make: *** [out/target/common/docs/framework-timestamp] Error 45 |
| 16:44.47 | languish | yikes |
| 16:44.54 | romainguy_ | Guest13000: use Sun's JDK |
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| 16:45.02 | Disconnect | Guest13000: www.pastebin.com |
| 16:45.04 | Ramzez | let's see how far i can get now |
| 16:45.06 | languish | Guest13000, learn to use pastebin.com |
| 16:45.26 | covalentbond | any way to get a g1 to recognize an ad hoc wifi network? |
| 16:45.36 | romainguy_ | covalentbond: not in 1.0 |
| 16:45.44 | covalentbond | ugh. ok. |
| 16:45.46 | languish | is there a method for dropping to runlevel 1 on the G1 without pulling code from elsewhere? |
| 16:46.14 | romainguy_ | languish: you just asked that |
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| 16:46.31 | covalentbond | next question: anyone ported tcpdump to android yet? |
| 16:46.31 | languish | yeah, sorry. I meant to pate it in another channel |
| 16:46.35 | languish | *paste |
| 16:46.38 | d4v3y0rk | here is the error i am getting now http://pastebin.com/m260918eb |
| 16:46.45 | steventroughtons | i thought tcpdump was part of the source? |
| 16:47.10 | covalentbond | steventroughtons: is it? hmm.... |
| 16:47.14 | trashguy | mattl, i cant seem to find it what menu is it under |
| 16:47.24 | d4v3y0rk | i have all the ncurses packages in the repo installed |
| 16:47.34 | steventroughtons | covalentbond: I coulda sworn it was pulled in with the rest of the repo stuff when I downloaded |
| 16:47.47 | jasta | romainguy_: do you know of any documentation for how to get this setup in linux? it isn't "just working" |
| 16:47.54 | steventroughtons | yes, external/tcpdump |
| 16:48.05 | mattl | trashguy: on the phone, or in the emulator? |
| 16:48.22 | *** topic/#android by jbailey -> Open Source Release: http://source.android.com/ | Known Issues: http://source.android.com/known-issues | This looks like fun: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/1116168/ |
| 16:48.26 | covalentbond | http://git.source.android.com/?p=platform/external/tcpdump.git;a=summary :) |
| 16:48.31 | trashguy | mattl, on the phone |
| 16:48.41 | mattl | trashguy: no idea. ask a googler. |
| 16:48.44 | d4v3y0rk | ok libncurses5-dev seems to have fixed that error |
| 16:48.49 | *** part/#android W4-2008 (n=W4-2008@196.201.208.129) |
| 16:49.05 | Disconnect | jbailey: how about adding "| no, you can't flash custom images to production G1s" to the topic? |
| 16:49.10 | jbailey | Oh oy. I kept reading "On the phone" as in "I'm on the phone, don't talk to me" |
| 16:49.13 | jbailey | This is going to confuse me. |
| 16:49.18 | ttuttle | jbailey: lol |
| 16:49.30 | mattl | jbailey: haha, sorry. |
| 16:49.37 | andyross | Wait, you can make calls on the G1?! |
| 16:49.40 | romainguy_ | jasta: no idea, I don't use Linux |
| 16:49.45 | mattl | andyross: no. |
| 16:49.54 | andyross | Yeah, that would have been too much to ask. |
| 16:50.00 | trashguy | andyross, yes its the only thing you can do that doesnt eat battery life at an insane rate |
| 16:50.01 | steventroughtons | andyross: haha |
| 16:50.02 | trashguy | lol |
| 16:50.04 | ttuttle | andyross: Nah, they had to leave that out to save time. I heard it's coming in an update though. |
| 16:50.08 | jbailey | Disconnect: Can't is such a strong word. =) |
| 16:50.17 | Disconnect | jbailey: gonna publish directions? no? ok then :) |
| 16:50.27 | languish | trashguy, is that because the core dedicated to telephony is clocked lower? |
| 16:50.28 | steventroughtons | ttuttle: sounds like apple and copy/paste, mms ;) |
| 16:50.31 | ttuttle | steventroughtons: heh |
| 16:50.33 | Disconnect | when someone hacks it that can be changed to "without violating your warranty" or something |
| 16:50.37 | Disconnect | but today.... |
| 16:50.44 | trashguy | i sthere a terminal program built in to the phone/ |
| 16:50.46 | d4v3y0rk | jbailey it looks like libncurses5-dev and one of the three zlib packages are needed to complete make on ubuntu |
| 16:50.50 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk>, on my machine it has been installed already |
| 16:50.58 | d4v3y0rk | ok |
| 16:50.58 | jbailey | Disconnect: Today is such a long time. =) |
| 16:51.20 | mattl | d4v3y0rk: why are you compiling make? |
| 16:51.38 | d4v3y0rk | i am not compiling make i am making android |
| 16:51.38 | jbailey | Disconnect: It's sort of like people asking on the blog if Android had been ported to the Neo Freerunner less than 4 hours after the source was released. =) |
| 16:51.49 | Disconnect | ..word yesterday was "hell no not our problem but it might be hackable. and someday we'll sell developer units with the full-featured bootloader" |
| 16:51.49 | jbailey | Then someone on the openmoko list announced it late in the day. |
| 16:52.09 | jbailey | Disconnect: Eh, I'm just an open source guy here. I don't know anything about final products. |
| 16:52.11 | Disconnect | is the production bootloader source available? (yes, i understand "source" is likely an ugly mix of C and asm :) ..) |
| 16:52.27 | romainguy_ | Disconnect: probably not |
| 16:52.28 | SanMehat | Disconnect: Sorry, the bootloader is not available |
| 16:52.28 | mattl | jbailey: should be on the freerunner in a week, i'd say |
| 16:52.29 | romainguy_ | ask HTC |
| 16:52.39 | Handcrafted | Are there a Word editor in the Android Market |
| 16:52.59 | Disconnect | ..right. so like i said.. the statement is valid "No, you cannot flash custom images to production G1s". :) |
| 16:53.09 | wastrel | jbailey: it's been 4 hours! wth is taking so long? |
| 16:53.10 | d4v3y0rk | google docs should work in the browser right? |
| 16:53.16 | jbailey | mattl: Awesome! |
| 16:53.47 | Handcrafted | d4v3y0rk: It didn't on the emulator |
| 16:53.48 | Disconnect | isn't pushing for the bootloader source, or the keys for signing images, etc etc .. just pointing out that its not possible and the assumption ("look the source is released") is that it is. hence, its a topic-worthy note :) |
| 16:54.03 | languish | Disconnect "..because the G1 doesn't come with either a flash, Flash, or The Flash" *grin* |
| 16:54.09 | Disconnect | lol |
| 16:54.12 | andyross | More seriously: is anyone aware of any reverse engineering groups playing with the G1? By this point in the iPhone's life cycle, there was already a blog up with details on the bootloader. |
| 16:54.32 | trashguy | reverse engineering? |
| 16:54.44 | trashguy | pretty sure you dont have to reverse engineer open source stuff ^^ |
| 16:55.01 | tmccrary | clearly you've never used perl |
| 16:55.01 | ttuttle | trashguy: Well, if you want to break the bootloader lock and/or the SIM card lock... |
| 16:55.05 | Disconnect | trashguy: ok... so explain how to flash a custom image to it :) |
| 16:55.16 | ttuttle | puts his fingers in his ears and yells "I'M NOT LISTENING" as #android breaks the phone. |
| 16:55.27 | andyross | trashguy: as explained, reflashing a G1 isn't covered by the existing source drop, nor will it be (TMO wouldn't allow it, I'm 100% sure). |
| 16:55.30 | trashguy | UNICORNS |
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| 16:55.37 | ttuttle | trashguy: indeed, unicorns! |
| 16:55.46 | trashguy | yes |
| 16:55.53 | trashguy | they also power the interwebz |
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| 16:56.30 | ttuttle | trashguy: I thought the interwubs were powered by pigeons? |
| 16:56.56 | marcone | andyross: people were much more motivated to hack the iphone, because it was the only way to get third party apps on to the phone. |
| 16:57.04 | trashguy | ttuttle, pigeon lack the magix, unicorns and fairy dust |
| 16:57.11 | ttuttle | trashguy: Oh, good point. |
| 16:57.15 | Disconnect | marcone: it'll happen. |
| 16:57.29 | ttuttle | trashguy: Google seems to like them though: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Ftechnology%2Fpigeonrank.html&ei=bVv_SIb3HJy4ecXayIAD&usg=AFQjCNHM5pUGK6TqSj-TGdjISaAq8Pb-gw&sig2=_D_xOBH6Wi4uX81cGvLwjA |
| 16:57.51 | trashguy | ha |
| 16:57.58 | languish | When you lose packets, it's because pigeons get caughyt in teh interwebs |
| 16:58.00 | marcone | Disconnect: sure, but perhaps not quite as fast. Not because it's more secure, but because there's simply less reason for people to do so. |
| 16:58.09 | trashguy | ttuttle, what april was that |
| 16:58.12 | trashguy | 206? |
| 16:58.14 | trashguy | 2006 |
| 16:58.18 | trashguy | 2002 |
| 16:58.20 | trashguy | nm |
| 16:58.20 | languish | Miss aprol |
| 16:58.23 | trashguy | reads |
| 16:58.24 | languish | damnit |
| 16:59.14 | jasta | so, does anyone have adb over usb working in Debian/Ubuntu? |
| 16:59.32 | languish | man.. |
| 16:59.35 | SanMehat | jasta: yeah i can help you out |
| 16:59.39 | jasta | not sure what magic is necessary to make this work |
| 16:59.39 | morrildl | jasta: first, do it as root and see if it works |
| 16:59.44 | languish | pacman STILL isn't in the marketplace |
| 16:59.45 | morrildl | if it does, you probably need the udev rules |
| 16:59.47 | jasta | i tried, it still does not |
| 16:59.52 | languish | wtf google wtf |
| 16:59.53 | morrildl | jasta: curious. |
| 17:00.05 | trashguy | jasta |
| 17:00.07 | jasta | it still registers itself as a usb mass storage device tho, i wonder if thats the issue |
| 17:00.07 | morrildl | jasta: did you turn on USB debugging on the device? |
| 17:00.08 | trashguy | let me see if i can get it going |
| 17:00.11 | jasta | i unchecked it not to do that |
| 17:00.15 | SanMehat | jasta: strace to the adb server PID and tell me what its doing |
| 17:00.19 | jasta | morrildl: yes, under dev settings somewhere. |
| 17:00.30 | morrildl | jasta: do a lsusb too |
| 17:00.39 | jasta | it shows up in lsusb |
| 17:00.44 | jasta | hang on, i'm getting strace up |
| 17:00.49 | morrildl | try adb -kill-server |
| 17:01.01 | jasta | i did |
| 17:01.05 | morrildl | Fun |
| 17:01.32 | jasta | hehe, what the hell |
| 17:01.36 | jasta | just reconnected the device and got a shell |
| 17:01.46 | jasta | wait no, that was me being stupid :) |
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| 17:02.05 | languish | btw, my efforts to evangelize android and the G1 keep gettings shot down because I have to keep explaining that "no, that app they kept showing isn't available in the market yet." |
| 17:02.10 | languish | -s |
| 17:02.15 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk>, still compiling on my end |
| 17:02.42 | wastrel | what app was that? |
| 17:02.53 | jasta | i tried it as root and it worked, but then now i can do it as a regular user as well without doing anything except reconnecting the device? |
| 17:02.56 | languish | wastrel, avrious, but mostly the pac man game *sigh* |
| 17:02.57 | jasta | oh well :) |
| 17:03.00 | languish | *various |
| 17:03.27 | wastrel | usb on linux is magic |
| 17:03.34 | jasta | yeah i guess |
| 17:03.50 | romainguy__ | remembers his days of trying a USB sound card on Linux |
| 17:03.55 | jasta | i really should get off Debian etch too :) |
| 17:04.04 | languish | hrm |
| 17:04.10 | jasta | romainguy__: a usb sound card just sounds like a stupid thing to build in general |
| 17:04.19 | languish | I wonder if I can use the G1 as a usb boot device |
| 17:04.30 | languish | for a pc |
| 17:04.35 | romainguy__ | jasta: except if you have only laptops |
| 17:05.44 | languish | holy crap, that would be an awesome "app" if we ever get simultaneous access to the microsd card while plugged in via usb |
| 17:06.15 | languish | pic a boot image from the device for a usb connected pc to boot from |
| 17:07.06 | ttuttle | Also what's with --enable-gpl? |
| 17:07.10 | jasta | gah, lame, EDGE only at my house :) |
| 17:07.12 | jasta | stupid t-mobile |
| 17:07.15 | ttuttle | er, whoops |
| 17:07.20 | d4v3y0rk | mine too Ramzez |
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| 17:07.33 | d4v3y0rk | it loks like it takes a while to make |
| 17:08.01 | jbailey | jasta: A USB sound card is often put in a set of USB speakers. |
| 17:08.01 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk>, yeah, should be, quite big source |
| 17:08.17 | d4v3y0rk | it says 6GB on the site |
| 17:08.18 | jbailey | jasta: Or a USB headset. |
| 17:08.28 | romainguy__ | jbailey: that sound card was also standalone, it worked without a PC, that was actually very cool :) |
| 17:08.30 | wastrel | so the question is, should i make a new gmail account for my g1? |
| 17:08.36 | ttuttle | wastrel: Yes. |
| 17:08.49 | wastrel | ttuttle: what is your reasoning? |
| 17:08.56 | jbailey | d4v3y0rk: It's actually like 4.5 for source + object files, but I added a 1.5 gb buffer space to make sure there was room for transient object files and such. |
| 17:08.58 | languish | wastrel, better yet.. sign up with GAFYD and get a custom damain for your g1 |
| 17:08.59 | ttuttle | wastrel: Less junk to get in the way. |
| 17:09.02 | anno^da | jasta: If you do a lot of recording on the notebook you need an external sound device. :-) And it is a mess to get them working (recording) with linux :-) |
| 17:09.02 | ttuttle | == languish |
| 17:09.15 | wastrel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.21 | languish | <- junk in the way |
| 17:09.26 | d4v3y0rk | kewl, jbailey are you in any of the little android videos out there? |
| 17:09.34 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk> , hmm interesting i just clicked properties on mydroid folder and it says 1.4GB |
| 17:09.34 | jbailey | d4v3y0rk: No, I avoided those. =) |
| 17:09.38 | d4v3y0rk | lol |
| 17:09.42 | languish | wastrel, you can move a domain over to GAFYD too |
| 17:09.49 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk> , i am worried now |
| 17:09.54 | d4v3y0rk | why Ramzez |
| 17:10.05 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk> , should be 2.1 no? |
| 17:10.33 | Disconnect | wastrel: istr its google apps for your domain. |
| 17:11.32 | jbailey | I've used GAfyD for a couple years on my home domain - I migrated it over (This was before I started working here) |
| 17:11.36 | jbailey | So it's certainly doable. |
| 17:11.45 | languish | right, the account I initialized my G1 with wasn't @gmail, it's @mydomain because I have it hosted by google apps |
| 17:11.55 | wastrel | hrm. |
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| 17:12.09 | wastrel | i will look into google apps |
| 17:12.09 | jasta | whoa, hehe. the issues with adb over usb were nothing to do with linux i think :) |
| 17:12.10 | bmunger | does anyone know where a g1 can be purchased.. t-mobile wont sell it here or over the internet or over the phone |
| 17:12.14 | jasta | i think that USB port is bad |
| 17:12.19 | jasta | just hard reset my machine |
| 17:12.23 | Disconnect | lol |
| 17:13.04 | languish | wastrel, I found google apps for this purpose to not be intuitive to set up. if you need help let me know.. it's actually pretty easy |
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| 17:13.27 | jasta | uses his alptop for this :) |
| 17:13.35 | languish | with no disrespect to your intelligence there. It's just how google apps FYD is set up |
| 17:13.35 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk> , will see will, the only things is that it is time to go home soon! |
| 17:13.44 | DarkriftX | google apps was one of the most difficult things i had ever setup and i do dns/hosting all day long at work |
| 17:14.05 | d4v3y0rk | 2.1 for the source without being compiled i think |
| 17:14.06 | languish | DarkriftX, i didn't find it difficult at all, it's just poorly laid out for certian purposes |
| 17:14.13 | languish | *certain |
| 17:14.16 | d4v3y0rk | apparently 4.5 after the make process |
| 17:14.22 | michaelnovakjr | DarkriftX: its incredibly simple |
| 17:14.30 | bmunger | so no online sellers of the G1 around? |
| 17:14.36 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk> did it finish make, mine is on libcrypto now |
| 17:14.43 | languish | bmunger, sure.. t-mobile.com |
| 17:14.47 | d4v3y0rk | mine is still building |
| 17:14.48 | bmunger | they wont sell it |
| 17:14.48 | jbailey | bmunger: Isn't t-mo still selling them online? |
| 17:14.52 | bmunger | nope |
| 17:14.56 | bmunger | says unable to process order |
| 17:15.06 | kslater | I'll sell you mine but the price would be pretty high. ;-) |
| 17:15.07 | languish | bmunger, where do you live? |
| 17:15.08 | bmunger | cant order by phone or in store |
| 17:15.12 | bmunger | fort myers, florida |
| 17:15.19 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
| 17:15.22 | languish | why can't you order in-store? |
| 17:15.23 | michaelnovakjr | why can't you in the store? |
| 17:15.32 | bmunger | they dont have any in store because this isnt a 3G area |
| 17:15.48 | kslater | right |
| 17:15.48 | bmunger | thats the excuse |
| 17:15.48 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
| 17:15.51 | jeld | hey guys, I cannot seem to find the SD card in the package, where do they hide it? :) |
| 17:15.52 | kslater | if you're not in 3g land, they just show it to you and direct you to the online store |
| 17:16.01 | Disconnect | jeld: in the phone |
| 17:16.03 | kslater | jeld: mine was installed |
| 17:16.06 | bmunger | the online store is unable to process order |
| 17:16.11 | bmunger | and they wont sell it over the phone either |
| 17:16.15 | jeld | kslater, hmm says I need to install it to use the camera |
| 17:16.32 | bmunger | so i was wondering who else sells G1's |
| 17:16.39 | Laz | jeld inside the phone |
| 17:16.48 | languish | bmunger, give it a bit of time for the online store to sort itself out.. a few hours, a day. you should be able to buy it online. |
| 17:16.57 | d4v3y0rk | mine is on libwebcore now |
| 17:17.02 | bmunger | i think they probably sold out |
| 17:17.07 | bmunger | if i had to guess |
| 17:17.14 | languish | don't guess. know. |
| 17:17.17 | Disconnect | jeld: make sure the door is closed all the way. open and look at hte corner between the kb and the talk button |
| 17:17.25 | Disconnect | open the kb that is |
| 17:17.25 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk>, crucial moment! |
| 17:17.31 | bmunger | well i dont have database access to t-mobile's inventory so i can only guess |
| 17:17.37 | michaelnovakjr | they are ONLY soldout because they dont have a lot :) |
| 17:17.44 | michaelnovakjr | 20 - 30 phones per store? |
| 17:17.55 | wastrel | languish: are you using the free or the pay version? |
| 17:17.58 | bmunger | well they dont have any here |
| 17:18.02 | languish | wastrel, free |
| 17:18.03 | d4v3y0rk | i am using xchat why is your name yellow ramzez along with jbailey's |
| 17:18.21 | d4v3y0rk | but everyone else (mostly) is plain text no color |
| 17:18.25 | wastrel | languish: "ad-supported" ? |
| 17:18.36 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk>, hmm, i don't know i use mIrc, maybe it is the color for newbies? |
| 17:18.46 | languish | wastrel, it's the usual google gmail interface |
| 17:18.47 | d4v3y0rk | i am a newbie too |
| 17:18.51 | Ramzez | :) |
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| 17:18.55 | wastrel | oic |
| 17:19.05 | michaelnovakjr | its not a newbie color?? |
| 17:19.06 | Penguin | Anyone get Error code -1 when trying to use AIM? |
| 17:19.07 | jbailey | d4v3y0rk: When someone types your name, it will highlight it in yellow for you. |
| 17:19.10 | languish | wastrel, you just log in through your domain not gmail.com |
| 17:19.16 | michaelnovakjr | that is like saying.... if it weren't for my horse |
| 17:19.17 | d4v3y0rk | oic |
| 17:19.17 | jbailey | Like not here. |
| 17:19.20 | jbailey | d4v3y0rk: but yes here. |
| 17:19.21 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk>, i don't know then, last time i used IRC was about 5 years ago |
| 17:19.37 | languish | wastrel, or for managing the domain, you log in through google apps site |
| 17:19.38 | d4v3y0rk | <jbailey> thanks! |
| 17:19.50 | languish | wastrel, but I did buy a domain through them.. also.. if you do that.. use enom, not godaddy |
| 17:20.01 | wastrel | howcome? |
| 17:20.03 | Ramzez | <d4v3y0rk><jbailey> argh, that's clever! |
| 17:20.24 | Ramzez | maybe should install xchat as well |
| 17:20.28 | languish | wastrel, better management after you set up. and fewer headaches with "policies" that godaddy likes to randomly enforce |
| 17:20.34 | Laz | irssi |
| 17:20.40 | bmunger | t-mobile fails at phone sales.. going to give android a bad name.. shoulda had someone else launch the phone.. a company that has a clue about customer service |
| 17:20.46 | Disconnect | ok wtf is with the <name> crap? you aren't using ichat or some such are you? |
| 17:20.48 | d4v3y0rk | how are you using mirc on ubuntu wine or virtual machine? |
| 17:21.04 | Disconnect | bmunger: yah cuz the launch problems of the iphone totally jsut destroyed its popularity |
| 17:21.11 | Ramzez | i have windows machine, and ubuntu is running under VirtualBox :) |
| 17:21.18 | d4v3y0rk | ah got you |
| 17:21.28 | Ramzez | and i have two screens, so quite easy to use |
| 17:21.34 | plusminus_ | Market doesn't get apps downloaded :( |
| 17:21.45 | Ramzez | need to develop on multiple platforms :) |
| 17:21.46 | d4v3y0rk | dual monitors here too but i am running ubuntu with windows in vm |
| 17:21.46 | languish | bmunger, the real issue is that you're in a geographic location the phone isn't intended for yet. And if you wait a few hours, you likely will be able to order one online. |
| 17:22.03 | bmunger | i will try again online.. thanks for that advice |
| 17:22.04 | Ramzez | LOL, i do the same on my mac at home |
| 17:22.30 | d4v3y0rk | lol, i have both on my mac fusion ubuntu and windowz |
| 17:22.38 | languish | bmunger, good luck. and maybe try a different web browser, something in the one you're using might be breaking the ordering proicess |
| 17:22.49 | languish | *process |
| 17:22.56 | Disconnect | doesn't think its about edge vs 3g so much as it is about "don't hold this next to an iphone in an edge market, its a bad enough comparison in a 3g area" :) |
| 17:23.02 | michaelnovakjr | Ramzez, d4v3y0rk you guys should pvm |
| 17:23.20 | Ramzez | <michaelnovakjr> sorry |
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| 17:23.39 | Penguin | Anyone get Error code -1 when trying to use AIM? |
| 17:23.56 | languish | Penguin no, it works for me well |
| 17:24.02 | Penguin | Wow. |
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| 17:24.36 | andyross | Hrm... what do I need to do to get "adb devices" to detect the G1? I found the "USB Debug Mode" thing under the Applications menu, didn't seem to help |
| 17:24.51 | fadden | andyross: using Linux? |
| 17:25.27 | Disconnect | andyross: unplug/replug after changes right? |
| 17:25.49 | steventroughtons | what's the Android gui process called? |
| 17:25.53 | steventroughtons | the shell? |
| 17:25.58 | fadden | Run "lsusb" on the workstation side, see if there's an entry for a device from "High Tech Computer Corp" |
| 17:26.04 | andyross | fadden: Ubuntu Gutsy x86_64. Disconnect: it did its own drop and reconnect when I changed the setting, but I just tried the plug with no luck. |
| 17:26.13 | Disconnect | as root? |
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| 17:27.06 | andyross | It's on the bus, I had the storage device up earlier. Trying as root, although permissions on the device object look sane to me... |
| 17:27.23 | andyross | Still no luck. |
| 17:27.25 | fadden | There's a udev tweak that somehow didn't make the docs... |
| 17:27.31 | Disconnect | is usb storage disabled? |
| 17:27.54 | andyross | Uh... no. At the moment storage is enabled. |
| 17:28.07 | Disconnect | try disabling it |
| 17:28.12 | languish | andyross, try a soft reset on the g1 |
| 17:28.16 | fadden | USB mass storage enabled/disabled doesn't (at least, shouldn't) affect ADB. |
| 17:28.19 | Disconnect | esp on linux, reports are it can't handle the troof...er, usb storage |
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| 17:28.53 | languish | soft reboot is green+menu+red |
| 17:28.59 | andyross | How do I do a soft reset? All I know how to do so far is pull the battery. |
| 17:29.17 | DarkriftX | languish, 73 members now :S |
| 17:29.18 | andyross | languish: thanks, cross in the stream |
| 17:29.23 | languish | DarkriftX :) |
| 17:29.54 | steventroughtons | 'Launcher' :P thanks self |
| 17:29.58 | fadden | andyross: see priv msg |
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| 17:30.27 | languish | andyross, also, are you using the cable that came with the g1, or one of your own? |
| 17:30.33 | andyross | The one in the box. |
| 17:30.36 | languish | 'k |
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| 17:31.07 | chrispix | Hello |
| 17:31.17 | andyross | Oh, wait. There's a kernel oops up a few lines in the dmesg. That may be related. I should probably reboot and try again. |
| 17:31.23 | d4v3y0rk | i am getting another error now i think... http://pastebin.com/d662b13f6 |
| 17:31.51 | jasta | d'oh, stinkin wake locks :) |
| 17:32.22 | Dougie187 | jasta: how are you liking your phone. |
| 17:32.28 | jasta | it's fantastic |
| 17:32.29 | fadden | andyross: if it's on the device side, please keep a copy |
| 17:32.34 | jasta | i'm so excited by the future of this platform |
| 17:32.36 | chrispix | I think I have an android issue w/ the browser. |
| 17:32.43 | andyross | No no, on the host. I don't have a shell yet. :) |
| 17:32.50 | jasta | Dougie187: just touching up my app to get it integrated better with real hardware |
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| 17:33.08 | Dougie187 | jasta: thats good. im glad it is good |
| 17:33.17 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, so NOW you really aren't going to do work anymore? just android? |
| 17:33.23 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 17:33.24 | jasta | meh |
| 17:33.27 | jasta | im off today :) |
| 17:33.30 | jasta | on vacation hehe |
| 17:33.33 | michaelnovakjr | good choice |
| 17:33.37 | romainguy_ | jasta: just like every day right? :) |
| 17:33.48 | michaelnovakjr | hah |
| 17:33.59 | chrispix | going to a password protected IIS Site, that is protected by just turning off anonymous access does not prompt me for a username / password. it gives following error |
| 17:34.15 | chrispix | Data connectivty problem, The site authentication scheme is not supported. |
| 17:34.48 | eggy | doh, looks like Webkit doesn't build |
| 17:35.06 | d4v3y0rk | anybody got any idea about the message i got http://pastebin.com/d662b13f6 |
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| 17:36.50 | jeld | bleh! the build quality sucks on G1 :( |
| 17:37.25 | eggy | waits on repo sync |
| 17:37.41 | jeld | eggy, don't hold your breath, webkit repository is down :) |
| 17:38.13 | eggy | yeah - I've been having problems with it here and there. I did eventually get it to download earlier |
| 17:38.21 | michaelnovakjr | you can get the nightly build |
| 17:38.28 | jeld | eggy, I get connection refused all the time |
| 17:38.30 | michaelnovakjr | source.android.com/known-issues |
| 17:38.50 | michaelnovakjr | jeld: follow instructions on http://source.android.com/known-issues |
| 17:38.57 | michaelnovakjr | you can get the nightly |
| 17:39.16 | xorl | hmmm |
| 17:39.33 | d4v3y0rk | cd dev |
| 17:39.46 | jeld | michaelnovakj2, cool, thanx |
| 17:39.56 | michaelnovakjr | np |
| 17:40.13 | xorl | none of my issues are on that known-issues page |
| 17:40.14 | xorl | heh |
| 17:40.19 | jeld | as I was asking before, can we now run native binaries on G1? |
| 17:40.42 | michaelnovakjr | jeld, you could on the emulator :) |
| 17:40.52 | xorl | (unknown): error 17: Field android.hardware.SensorManager.LIGHT_NO_MOON has changed value from 0.0010f to 0.001f (and I didn't touch it) |
| 17:40.55 | michaelnovakjr | as far as the device, don't have one |
| 17:41.04 | vol | hmm. gizmodo is reporting that you need to use the USB cable that came with the android to do usb mass storage. I was using my plain old usb cable on my linux laptop just fine... |
| 17:41.05 | fadden | d4v3y0rk: looks like somebody forgot to prefix comments with '@' |
| 17:41.12 | vol | is that for windows only or what |
| 17:41.34 | jeld | michaelnovakj2, how? |
| 17:41.49 | d4v3y0rk | so my make completed successfully then fadden? |
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| 17:42.18 | languish | vol, because the g1 also charges via usb, there are some substandard cables out there that seem to cause problems |
| 17:42.39 | languish | so they're playing it safe |
| 17:42.41 | michaelnovakjr | jeld, you need the cross-tools |
| 17:42.53 | vol | ...aha. |
| 17:42.53 | fadden | d4v3y0rk: looks that way |
| 17:42.57 | vol | so it really doesn't matter. |
| 17:42.59 | michaelnovakjr | you need to build an elf binary jeld |
| 17:43.03 | vol | as long as your cable isn't shitty |
| 17:43.05 | d4v3y0rk | awesome! lol now what |
| 17:43.06 | fadden | type "make" again and see if it finishes without doing anything. |
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| 17:43.21 | andyross | jeld: The consensus seems to be that you *can* install native code via adb. If they're JNI libraries installed system wide, you can then use them from a packaged application. But the packaged applications themselves have no mechanism for installing a JNI library. I'm still in the process of verifying all this myself. |
| 17:43.33 | languish | vol, sure, and you look at two cables and tell me how to determin just by looking at them, which is "shitty" and which isn't. |
| 17:43.40 | fadden | andyross: System.load() and System.loadLibrary() both work. |
| 17:43.43 | vol | x-ray vision ftw |
| 17:43.50 | michaelnovakjr | andyross: you can actually install a C app and run it |
| 17:43.56 | michaelnovakjr | i did a simple one on the shell |
| 17:44.05 | michaelnovakjr | on the emulator of course... and a few weeks ago |
| 17:44.12 | michaelnovakjr | haven't tried it since then |
| 17:44.15 | languish | vol, anyway, it's an at your own risk kinda thing, *shrug* enjoy your device either way :) |
| 17:44.52 | vol | yeah |
| 17:44.55 | andyross | OK, then maybe I'm happily wrong. You can stuff a JNI binary into a package and then manually load it by filename? That sounds perfect to me. My real hope is to have some mechanism for distributing native code via the market. |
| 17:45.50 | vol | I just have so many cables, I don't need to unpack ANOTHER :P |
| 17:45.50 | umdk1d3 | was hoping for a market announcement today :/ |
| 17:45.50 | d4v3y0rk | the latest make command finished and outputted the stats |
| 17:45.50 | vol | andyross: stuff it into an apk :P |
| 17:45.50 | michaelnovakjr | andyross: yea, the instructions weren't publicly available..... so they aren't advertising it :) |
| 17:45.51 | Disconnect | languish: any idea if it'll honor suid/sgid? cuz openvpn is less useful without root access :) |
| 17:45.51 | michaelnovakjr | andyross: but it is possible |
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| 17:46.12 | michaelnovakjr | andyross: i don't know what the permissions are on devices, i would imagine they are a bit more locked down than they were pre 1.0 |
| 17:46.20 | eggy | hm |
| 17:46.23 | eggy | this is silly |
| 17:46.24 | fadden | Native JNI stuff is not officially supported at this time, so we haven't made much of an effort to document it. |
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| 17:46.40 | fadden | Since you have all of the source, I can point you at things rather than wait for you to wade through it all. |
| 17:46.40 | eggy | my Ubuntu has issues connecting to the interweb, yet the Mac is fine. |
| 17:46.41 | eggy | =/ |
| 17:46.51 | andyross | Sure. I care less about the documentation than the feasibility. |
| 17:47.01 | fadden | But I'm going to continue to discourage you from including native code even as I help you understand how to do it. :-) |
| 17:47.07 | morrildl | Native code will also most likely not be officially supported as part of the 1.0 spec |
| 17:47.24 | michaelnovakjr | not a deal-breaker |
| 17:47.28 | michaelnovakjr | the java is good enough |
| 17:47.50 | michaelnovakjr | i can think of plenty to do instead of adding native code support :) |
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| 17:48.02 | tmccrary | either native code or JIT support |
| 17:48.13 | tmccrary | the floating point thing makes me wish you could do native though |
| 17:48.27 | monteslu | would it be possible to make an http proxy to tether in java? |
| 17:48.48 | xorl | monteslu: I would believe so. |
| 17:48.56 | taaz | umdk1d3: they did announce some details: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-market-now-available-for-users.html |
| 17:48.56 | fadden | tmccrary: not sure what you mean about floating point |
| 17:48.58 | xorl | Just gotta figure out how to get the tether app to have a concurrent connection |
| 17:49.10 | monteslu | I guess you'd still need to have axternal access point |
| 17:49.14 | tmccrary | well the lack of decent floating point support kind of sucks |
| 17:49.19 | monteslu | but then use the g1's internet |
| 17:49.27 | jeld | hmm... t-mobile site doesn't seem to be aware of G1 yet |
| 17:49.29 | tmccrary | granted, its probably not a huge deal for most phone apps |
| 17:49.33 | umdk1d3 | taaz: ah thanks -- GRRRR @ monday |
| 17:49.36 | jeld | I cannot select G1 as my phone |
| 17:49.44 | tmccrary | but for anything really interactive, i.e. games, etc |
| 17:49.45 | bstock | jeld: it was right on their front page earlier today |
| 17:49.47 | bstock | i was able to |
| 17:49.48 | andyross | Yeah, that's the thing: there's just a whole lot of good stuff you can do with access to the system call layer and the CPU that is hugely clunky at the interpreted VM level. The vector FPU on that part is really pretty spiffy, and this is running a 2.6 kernel with support for stuff like vmsplice and sendfile. |
| 17:49.49 | tmccrary | floating point would be nice |
| 17:49.56 | jeld | and I cannot add G1 data plan to my account |
| 17:50.17 | fadden | There is no hardware floating point support on the G1. |
| 17:50.17 | taaz | umdk1d3: gives you enough time to rewrite again :) |
| 17:50.22 | bstock | i said shop for phones, clicked 't-mobile' to filter to only t-mobile phones and it showed up |
| 17:50.30 | xorl | jeld: I can select it as my phone just fine. |
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| 17:50.38 | andyross | No? Thought that was part of the ARM11 core natively, no? Sad, if it god left behind. |
| 17:50.55 | jeld | interesting, maybe they already fixed it, I couldn't do that a few hours ago |
| 17:50.57 | fadden | It's an option. |
| 17:50.59 | monteslu | xorl, maybe jsocks.sourceforge.net ? |
| 17:51.04 | monteslu | could be my first app :) |
| 17:51.19 | xorl | tis possible. |
| 17:51.24 | tmccrary | wow that's even worse |
| 17:51.27 | tmccrary | :( |
| 17:51.34 | bstock | jeld: from home page, click 'phones' on top, 't-mobile' checkbox on left, then it's like 3rd or 4th on the list |
| 17:51.35 | monteslu | just connect your laptop and g1 to a dummy access point |
| 17:51.46 | monteslu | then proxy through 3g or edge |
| 17:51.53 | fadden | 16.16 math works pretty well. At least integer multiply is in hardware. :-) |
| 17:51.53 | andyross | Which brings up a good question: is there a datasheet on the actual CPU available? I couldn't find anything on Qualcomm's site, but I didn't look very hrd. |
| 17:52.11 | plusminus_ | can we push apps to the device via usb ? |
| 17:52.28 | zhobbs | plusminus_: yes |
| 17:52.29 | Disconnect | plusminus_: adb install <file>.apk except i can't get it to work |
| 17:52.40 | commonsguy | Disconnect: neither can i |
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| 17:52.45 | fadden | andyross: I'm sure there is, but I'm not sure where you'd find it. |
| 17:52.52 | zhobbs | I can, but I have to run adb as root |
| 17:52.54 | Death_Syn | I just got my G1 |
| 17:52.57 | Death_Syn | it works sweet so far |
| 17:53.05 | Death_Syn | anyone here know where I can find docs for connectbot? |
| 17:53.08 | plusminus_ | abd install will automatically 'route' to my connected G1 ? |
| 17:53.12 | Death_Syn | I can't figure out how to import my SSH keys |
| 17:53.13 | d4v3y0rk | ok stupid question I have eclipse 3.4.x and i have successfully built android under mydroid... now what do I do? |
| 17:53.18 | zhobbs | plusminus_: yes |
| 17:53.21 | plusminus_ | nat |
| 17:53.23 | zhobbs | plusminus_: run "adb devices" |
| 17:53.25 | plusminus_ | neat |
| 17:53.27 | Disconnect | zhobbs: for me the ones i've tried all throw manifest errors |
| 17:53.30 | cliff | would anyone have a problem with having an alarmmanager alarm type that only wakes up the phone if the phone is plugged in?, i.e. RTC_WAKEUP_IF_POWERED |
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| 17:54.00 | fadden | plusminus_: you can use "adb -d" or "adb -e" to specify device or emulator, respectively, when both are available. |
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| 17:54.19 | commonsguy | zhobbs: no dice -- sudo adb devices comes up blank |
| 17:54.32 | zhobbs | commonsguy: make sure to kill the running adb first |
| 17:54.53 | commonsguy | zhobbs: bingo! |
| 17:54.58 | fadden | For ADB issues, always start with "lsusb" to make sure the "High Tech Computer Corp" device is present. |
| 17:55.00 | vol | make sure you have debug when usb connected checked |
| 17:55.04 | zhobbs | cat bin/suadb |
| 17:55.04 | zhobbs | sudo killall adb; sudo /home/zach/workspace/android-sdk/tools/adb devices |
| 17:55.06 | vol | try unchecking use usb as mass storage |
| 17:55.14 | vol | and yeah kill adb running as non-root |
| 17:55.15 | fadden | "adb kill-server" usually works too |
| 17:55.40 | plusminus_ | "device not found" |
| 17:56.01 | fadden | plusminus_: does "lsusb" show it? |
| 17:56.07 | plusminus_ | what did you select when plugging the G1 for the first time (there is no CD with it to install anything) |
| 17:56.28 | plusminus_ | win-explorer shows the sd-card i think... |
| 17:56.29 | fadden | plusminus_: backing up a step: what OS are you using on your computer? |
| 17:56.42 | plusminus_ | windows |
| 17:56.44 | fadden | Ah, Windows requires a separate driver to use ADB. |
| 17:56.46 | plusminus_ | vista |
| 17:56.46 | plusminus_ | 32 |
| 17:56.53 | plusminus_ | where to get? |
| 17:57.03 | hackbod | cliff, i think i would rather have a broadcast for when the power is plugged/unplugged, and let people manage their alarms with that |
| 17:57.07 | fadden | Fine question. (Advocates?) |
| 17:57.17 | hackbod | or least a broadcast for plugging the battery would be the first thing to add |
| 17:57.49 | cliff | hackbod: the scenario i'm trying to solve is: i want to have a daily web update, but it's not important enough to wakeup the phone and use battery power |
| 17:58.00 | cliff | but if it's plugged in, which it often is for most people at night |
| 17:58.03 | cliff | i want it to wake up |
| 17:58.34 | cliff | with a broadcast, i'd have to have my app wakeup each time there's a power change |
| 17:58.37 | hackbod | yeah definitely helping people do work while plugged in would be a good thing |
| 17:58.57 | hackbod | waking up each time there device is plugged in is fine, because you are plugged in at that point so won't be draining the battery :) |
| 17:59.03 | cliff | right exactly |
| 17:59.12 | Disconnect | as long as you can do it without lighting the backlight |
| 17:59.18 | cliff | you can |
| 17:59.27 | hackbod | adding new alarm types is much much more tricky |
| 17:59.31 | Disconnect | the WAF goes near zero when the thing turns into a floor-lamp randomly throughout the night :) |
| 17:59.32 | cliff | so i see at least two options: either have an option to always stay awake when plugged in, or to add an alarm type to the alarmmanager |
| 17:59.38 | cliff | is it? i'm looking at the code now |
| 17:59.55 | hackbod | the chances of breaking things are significantly higher |
| 17:59.59 | cliff | oh, sure |
| 18:00.04 | plusminus_ | Where to get the windows USB-Driver that works for debugging ? |
| 18:00.13 | zhobbs | plusminus_: I think I have it somewhere... |
| 18:00.25 | plusminus_ | could you send it to me? |
| 18:00.33 | cliff | do you think it would be better to have a system service for 'idle' alarm tasks that would centralize the functionality of detecting power changes? |
| 18:00.38 | hackbod | and having a bradcast for plugging in is more generally useful (and you can use that to register alarms and unregister them when done) and not something you can currently do |
| 18:00.42 | hackbod | so i would pick that first |
| 18:00.46 | fadden | plusminus_: if I recall correctly, enabling "USB debugging" in menu->settings and then plugging the device in will cause it to go searching for drivers. |
| 18:00.52 | cliff | does the device always wake when you plug in? |
| 18:00.54 | hackbod | the alarm thing is just an optimization for that |
| 18:00.54 | cliff | i think it does |
| 18:00.59 | fadden | I'm told it's "out there" but I'm not sure where (being a Linux user). |
| 18:01.08 | hackbod | if a lot of people end up doing that kind of thing, it would make sense to have an alarm |
| 18:01.15 | mpardo | does the g1 have dual transfer mode? |
| 18:01.21 | mpardo | over gsm & grps |
| 18:01.21 | cliff | there are several scenarios for me at the moment |
| 18:01.36 | xorl | mmm found a bug in nightly |
| 18:01.37 | xorl | fixes |
| 18:02.10 | cliff | hackbod: i also want a 'do stuff while idle' too though, which is a similar purpose, i wonder if there's some mechanism there that could be consolidated |
| 18:02.44 | hackbod | cliff, define "idle" :) |
| 18:02.46 | plusminus_ | fadden: Now: "Searching Windows update..." |
| 18:03.07 | plusminus_ | fadden "Insert a Disk..." |
| 18:03.14 | fadden | plusminus_: okay, now the phone is configured. Just need to figure out where to get the driver from. |
| 18:03.22 | cliff | hackbod: time when the user isn't using the device but it's plugged in |
| 18:03.28 | plusminus_ | kk thx |
| 18:03.33 | cliff | so, basically that'd be screen off |
| 18:03.35 | cliff | but plugged in |
| 18:03.45 | hackbod | but it's okay if background music is playing? |
| 18:03.52 | fadden | plusminus_: |
| 18:03.59 | fadden | http://dl.google.com/android/android_usb_windows.zip |
| 18:04.14 | hackbod | cliff, what is your goal for this? what problem is it to solve? |
| 18:04.17 | cliff | it should be, as long as the background music has a higher priority so that it's uninterrupted |
| 18:04.26 | fadden | plusminus_: found on http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/af53210a9c41ec37/dc899a42705b0a79?show_docid=dc899a42705b0a79 |
| 18:04.35 | hackbod | oh if it's a priority issue don't worry about it |
| 18:04.45 | hackbod | set your thread priority to background and it will be decent |
| 18:04.48 | cliff | nono |
| 18:05.04 | umdk1d3 | fadden: thats an excellent link |
| 18:05.09 | umdk1d3 | should prolly end up in topic too |
| 18:05.35 | cliff | hackbod: lets say i want to have a backup and restore system, where i have near-instant upload of changes, but i don't want to interrupt the user's internet speed or cpu or memory by having my stuff going on instantly after a change |
| 18:05.36 | hackbod | in a future release we are hoping to have much better scheduling so that background processes can not impact foreground stuff at all |
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| 18:05.43 | eggy | WARNING: adding test OTA key |
| 18:05.49 | hackbod | ah okay internet is different |
| 18:05.50 | eggy | what's that about? |
| 18:05.57 | fadden | eggy: you can ignore that |
| 18:06.05 | hackbod | there is already a broadcast about the screen turning off |
| 18:06.07 | TreyB | Howdy hackbod :-) |
| 18:06.11 | eggy | I know - its a warning, just wondering what it is =p |
| 18:06.16 | hackbod | if we add a broadcast about being plugged in, you can use the two do to this i think |
| 18:06.21 | cliff | yeah, i suppose i can hack this all together with broadcasts, and add a broadcast for plugging in |
| 18:06.28 | fadden | OTA=Over The Air update; if you were doing an "official" build that would be a message you don't want to see. |
| 18:06.31 | cliff | it just seems like a pretty common scenario |
| 18:06.32 | hackbod | (this is why i say a plugged in broadcast is the first thing, it provides many more solutions) |
| 18:06.37 | hackbod | trey!! |
| 18:06.41 | hackbod | how are you? :) |
| 18:06.45 | wastrel | i just put in 7 mx records for my google apps domain |
| 18:06.46 | cliff | yeah i like the plugged in broadcast |
| 18:06.52 | TreyB | Well. And yourself, hackbod? |
| 18:06.55 | ttuttle | greetings |
| 18:07.03 | hackbod | cliff, interested in submitting a patch? :) |
| 18:07.07 | cliff | wait, hackbod there's already a broadcast |
| 18:07.15 | hackbod | oh yeah? |
| 18:07.16 | cliff | the powermanagerservice gets it |
| 18:07.21 | hackbod | i thought there was but couldn't find it |
| 18:07.34 | hackbod | what is its name? |
| 18:07.35 | cliff | yeah i thought there was too |
| 18:07.42 | cliff | uhh |
| 18:08.30 | cliff | Intent.ACTION_BATTERY_CHANGED |
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| 18:08.59 | cliff | the only problem with this is that i have to wake up my application each time for that broadcast |
| 18:08.59 | hackbod | oh yeah |
| 18:09.04 | hackbod | that's not useful |
| 18:09.07 | d4v3y0rk | can anybody tell me how to run the emulator after i do make on the Get Source webpage? |
| 18:09.23 | hackbod | yeah it actually doesn't get delivered to apps that have registered in their manifest, because waking people up for that would be bad |
| 18:09.41 | cliff | right |
| 18:09.43 | zhobbs | d4v3y0rk: this might help: http://steventroughtonsmith.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-10-source-release-notes.html |
| 18:09.43 | cliff | ok |
| 18:09.54 | hackbod | i would suggest two broadcasts: ACTION_POWER_CONNECTED and ACTION_POWER_DISCONNECTED or something |
| 18:10.31 | hackbod | that way people who are just interested in one or the other won't be woken up for either |
| 18:10.35 | zhobbs | hackbod: in addition there should probably be a way to check if it's connected somehow |
| 18:10.39 | d4v3y0rk | nice thanks |
| 18:10.50 | cliff | well... would someone ever be interested in only power_disconnected? |
| 18:11.10 | plusminus_ | YEEEEHA apps up and running |
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| 18:11.15 | zhobbs | cliff: to stop whatever you were doing (ie, cancel that BitTorrent) |
| 18:11.29 | cliff | right, but in that case the application is already awake |
| 18:11.40 | unix_lappy | are you allowed to reserve G1s? |
| 18:12.03 | zhobbs | cliff: yeah, but now it will know it's disconnected and can stop a worker thread or something |
| 18:12.07 | hackbod | zhobbs, the existing battery broadcast is a sticky broadcast, so you can always retrieve the last value that was sent |
| 18:12.31 | zhobbs | hackbod: interesting, I didn't know you could do that |
| 18:12.43 | fadden | plusminus_: hooray |
| 18:12.44 | zhobbs | hackbod: I'll have to look into that for some of the broadcasts I'm using |
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| 18:14.17 | unix_lappy | just called a couple stores and getting the "All I have is one brown one, all my others are 'Reserved'..." runaround. |
| 18:14.21 | hackbod | cliff, we've found that for these kinds of things it is general better to split them into two actions and have people register for the specific things they are interested in |
| 18:14.29 | Laz | bronze is sexy |
| 18:14.45 | cliff | hackbod: I understand, i just couldn't think of a scenario in which someone would need that. but if it's a convention, i'd agree it's better to follow that |
| 18:15.06 | Disconnect | unix_lappy: i like my brown fyi. and i think they 'reserve' them by handing out those cards in line - if you go there and they can't point to the people with the cards, call the tmob corporate and pitch a fit.. |
| 18:15.24 | hackbod | cliff, it's a convention we released a little late we should have been using more :) |
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| 18:15.32 | cliff | that's fine |
| 18:15.44 | hackbod | (actually, the old telephony broadcasts were really broken in this way, which is one reason why they are not available in the current SDK) |
| 18:16.06 | hackbod | cliff, maybe you can be the first to submit a real patch. :) |
| 18:16.11 | cliff | yeah i'm happy to |
| 18:16.16 | cliff | i have another patch |
| 18:16.22 | cliff | but the code i'm patching isn't public yet |
| 18:16.24 | cliff | so i can't submit it |
| 18:16.39 | cliff | i was annoyed when it wasn't included :) |
| 18:16.46 | unix_lappy | Disconnect: There's no line. |
| 18:17.11 | Disconnect | then according to tmob its either "sold and not here" or "available". anything else is "your store manager is taking bribes again" :) |
| 18:17.58 | jeld | seems like my SD card is defective :( |
| 18:17.59 | unix_lappy | Oh, well I'll swing by in the afternoon. If it wasnt meant to be, their loss. ;-) |
| 18:18.14 | jeld | the card is there, but not recognized |
| 18:18.19 | Disconnect | try asking how you can reserve one, see if they'll tell you flat out they're looking for kickbacks :) |
| 18:18.23 | Disconnect | jeld: usb is unplugged right? |
| 18:18.33 | jeld | Disconnect, no, is that important? |
| 18:18.34 | xorl | where do I view submits to the repo |
| 18:18.36 | xorl | (live) |
| 18:18.49 | umdk1d3 | rooooooooooooofl |
| 18:18.52 | Disconnect | jeld: only one device can use sd at a time. by default usb-storage is on, so when you plug in usb it offers it up to the pc |
| 18:18.53 | xorl | n/m |
| 18:18.54 | xorl | got it. |
| 18:18.55 | umdk1d3 | tries something |
| 18:19.06 | VickiWong | xorl: Hak5 fan? |
| 18:19.16 | xorl | VickiWong: same xorl yes, ;) |
| 18:19.25 | xorl | just submitted my bug fixes. |
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| 18:20.12 | VickiWong | xorl: nice havent heard anyone else over there mention Android |
| 18:20.15 | hackbod | cliff, i need to get some work done, but feel free to e-mail me at hackbod@google.com |
| 18:20.26 | plusminus_ | what was that manifest flag to enabe debugging? |
| 18:20.27 | cliff | ok |
| 18:20.35 | plusminus_ | setDebuggable="true" |
| 18:20.39 | Disconnect | fyi someone should add "gcc-multilib" to the prereqs page (at least for ubuntu) |
| 18:20.41 | jeld | Disconnect, hmm that makes a bit of twisted sense |
| 18:20.45 | d4v3y0rk | i am getting a 500 server error on review.source.android.com |
| 18:21.04 | Disconnect | (for some reason ia32-libs doesn't depend on it, sigh) |
| 18:21.08 | xorl | VickiWong: Yeah, i just commited my patch. |
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| 18:21.38 | VickiWong | xorl: nice, linkage? |
| 18:21.56 | VickiWong | im still downloading source |
| 18:22.16 | Disconnect | and lib32stdc++6 :( |
| 18:23.05 | Laz | Matt Lee |
| 18:23.14 | unix_lappy | Disconnect: why would I offer a bribe when there's no apparent in-store demand and there are other people spending money to get me in the store? |
| 18:23.35 | Disconnect | unix_lappy: i didn't say you pay him, i say you get him to request one directly, then have his ass fired |
| 18:23.51 | spearce | d4v3y0rk: the application is having some latency issues with the data store. i'm looking into it |
| 18:24.16 | d4v3y0rk | i am in now spearce thanks |
| 18:24.46 | xorl | if I could pull up the review.source.android.com |
| 18:24.51 | xorl | 500 Server Error yeehaw |
| 18:24.59 | xorl | i brokes google =x |
| 18:25.19 | jbailey | xorl: Is that the main page? |
| 18:25.46 | d4v3y0rk | i was getting that error too but it is gone now |
| 18:25.57 | xorl | jbailey: no |
| 18:26.01 | xorl | getting it randomly all over |
| 18:26.24 | jeld | hmm I wonder what are all those silly mp3c tracks on the SD card |
| 18:26.46 | Disconnect | getting http://pastie.org/298246 after 'make' :( |
| 18:27.29 | jeld | and amazon has got to think again if they think I am gonna buy music at $0.89 a track |
| 18:27.34 | xorl | Disconnect: Cause you haven't instal libstdc++ |
| 18:27.51 | Disconnect | xorl: yah that seemed obvious but its there (/usr/lib32/libstdc++5 and 6) |
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| 18:28.02 | michaelnovakjr | jeld: why? that is good |
| 18:28.06 | michaelnovakjr | and its drm-free |
| 18:28.25 | Disconnect | http://pastie.org/298249 |
| 18:29.01 | xorl | Disconnect: pkg-config is your friend :) |
| 18:29.01 | rob--- | does Handler.sendEmptyMessage trigger handleMessage? |
| 18:29.21 | jeld | michaelnovakj2, well, consider that you are not getting any of the CD goodness and you can buy a used CD |
| 18:29.34 | Disconnect | xorl: pkg-config is fine.. |
| 18:29.42 | michaelnovakjr | jeld, what do you mean by CD goodness? |
| 18:29.42 | plusminus_ | OMFG AndNav is working o_O |
| 18:29.42 | xorl | so pkg-config finds stdc++? |
| 18:30.01 | jeld | michaelnovakjr, inserts, lyrics, all that crap |
| 18:30.16 | rob--- | I have server class which runs in a thread created by the main class. I then update a string inside the main class, and then do mainClass.handler.sendEmptyMessage(0). the handler should append the string to the textview, but sometimes it doesnt do it. |
| 18:30.18 | michaelnovakjr | eh, i haven't looked at that stuff in years :) |
| 18:30.23 | d4v3y0rk | you prolly need the -dev packages for libstd |
| 18:30.27 | michaelnovakjr | jeld, everything is digital for me now |
| 18:31.06 | VickiWong | im still downloading source |
| 18:31.10 | VickiWong | plusminus_: awesome news ! :) |
| 18:31.14 | jeld | michaelnovakjr, I applaud the DRM-free part, but the track price has got to go down. Considering that any of that music can be had for free or for a few cents using mp3sparks |
| 18:31.22 | d4v3y0rk | i currently have libstdc++6-4.2-dev and libstdc++6 installed |
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| 18:31.27 | androoid | hey guys |
| 18:31.28 | Disconnect | xorl: pkg-config stdc++ doesn't work on any box i've got.. |
| 18:31.40 | androoid | can someone tell me how to load my app to the actual device? |
| 18:31.42 | jeld | michaelnovakjr, in any case, that is all completely off topic |
| 18:31.46 | ttuttle | androoid: ant reinstall |
| 18:31.53 | Disconnect | stdc++ doesn't drop a .pc |
| 18:32.22 | michaelnovakjr | jeld, :) |
| 18:33.21 | androoid | ttuttle: what do you mean? |
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| 18:34.33 | umdk1d3 | androoid: are you using eclipse? |
| 18:34.39 | androoid | umdk1d3: yes |
| 18:34.40 | umdk1d3 | and what OS? |
| 18:34.46 | androoid | windows vista |
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| 18:34.53 | waldo_ | is away: auto-away |
| 18:34.54 | umdk1d3 | youll need the windows driver that was linked earlier |
| 18:34.56 | umdk1d3 | digs |
| 18:35.04 | umdk1d3 | http://dl.google.com/android/android_usb_windows.zip |
| 18:35.05 | androoid | the debug windows driver? |
| 18:35.08 | umdk1d3 | yep |
| 18:35.20 | androoid | yeah I loaded that |
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| 18:35.26 | languish | androoid, info on that driver here: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/af53210a9c41ec37/dc899a42705b0a79?show_docid=dc899a42705b0a79 |
| 18:35.27 | androoid | do I restart eclipse after maybe? |
| 18:35.36 | umdk1d3 | do you have an emulator still open? |
| 18:35.45 | androoid | yeah |
| 18:35.58 | umdk1d3 | look in the ddms tab to see if adb is seeing your hardware device |
| 18:36.14 | umdk1d3 | also androoid did you enable debug on the device? |
| 18:36.21 | umdk1d3 | its in settings -> apps -> development or something |
| 18:36.27 | plusminus_ | http://www.anddev.org/debugging_on_the_g1_windows_driver-t3236.html |
| 18:36.31 | androoid | umdk1d3: yeah i did |
| 18:36.44 | androoid | oh wow it's plusminus_ |
| 18:36.51 | plusminus_ | when the G1 shows "Waiting for debugger..." after running Debug from Eclipse, what to do ? |
| 18:36.52 | plusminus_ | ? |
| 18:36.59 | androoid | love your site! |
| 18:37.04 | plusminus_ | thx :) |
| 18:37.33 | michaelnovakjr | aw plusminus_ has a fan :) |
| 18:37.46 | androoid | umdk1d3: restarting eclipse after installing the drivers and now i see the device in ddms |
| 18:37.47 | umdk1d3 | http://dl.google.com/android/android_usb_windows.zip |
| 18:37.48 | romainguy_ | romainguy_: did you make your app debuggable? |
| 18:37.50 | umdk1d3 | crap |
| 18:38.58 | plusminus_ | plusminus_: setDebuggable="true" in the Manifest? |
| 18:38.59 | plusminus_ | ;) |
| 18:39.00 | androoid | it loaded my app just fine now, awesome |
| 18:39.07 | umdk1d3 | =D |
| 18:39.08 | Disconnect | just ooc why is all this stuff built 32bit anyway? |
| 18:40.31 | romainguy_ | plusminus_: android:debuggable, not setDebuggable |
| 18:40.43 | plusminus_ | ah ok makes sense xD |
| 18:41.04 | languish | oh geeze, a task switched in the market! Thank you jason Parekh! |
| 18:41.08 | bricode | Is there any way to build just a single module? ie: bionic? |
| 18:41.13 | languish | *switcher |
| 18:41.16 | plusminus_ | romainguy to the <manifest> tag ? |
| 18:41.30 | umdk1d3 | does eclipse warn you if you try exporting unsigned with :debuggable? or will market check for that flag? |
| 18:42.00 | vol | eclipse doesn't warn you |
| 18:42.09 | vol | which is a total pain :\ |
| 18:42.15 | vol | "why won't this debug? why why why?" |
| 18:42.22 | ralpht | is there a good way to test out changes to (say) framework.jar without rebuilding all the dependencies afterwards? |
| 18:42.22 | vol | I didn't even know that flag existed until someone told me |
| 18:42.24 | xavd | umdk1d3: the next Eclipse plugin will warn you both when you attempt to debug w/o the flag or when you export with it |
| 18:42.35 | umdk1d3 | xavd: cool |
| 18:42.46 | umdk1d3 | cuz it would be interesting if debuggable apps got into market ;) |
| 18:42.55 | anno^da | could someone tell me if the 25$ in the Android market are per app or just one time fee to be able to enter the market ? |
| 18:42.59 | plusminus_ | romainguy debuggable="true" to the <manifest> tag ? |
| 18:43.01 | umdk1d3 | androoid: one time |
| 18:43.06 | umdk1d3 | plusminus_: android:debuggable |
| 18:43.10 | plusminus_ | anno^da: I think it says per app |
| 18:43.11 | ttuttle | Where do you sign up? |
| 18:43.24 | plusminus_ | umdk1d3: yes |
| 18:43.26 | xavd | plusminus_: it's to the "application" node |
| 18:43.26 | plusminus_ | android:debuggable="true" |
| 18:43.30 | plusminus_ | thx |
| 18:43.35 | anno^da | plusminus_: it says pay "a one time $25 application fee." |
| 18:43.46 | xavd | just use the Eclipse manifest editor ;) |
| 18:43.53 | anno^da | I dont know if that means per application or just general "application fee" |
| 18:44.02 | plusminus_ | how I assumed per app |
| 18:44.05 | umdk1d3 | androoid: "each developer ... register and pay a one time $25 " |
| 18:44.05 | plusminus_ | hm |
| 18:44.17 | umdk1d3 | application in that context is your application to be in the dev program |
| 18:44.34 | anno^da | Could someone confirm that from Google here ? romainguy ? morrildl ? |
| 18:44.54 | Disconnect | anyone updating the source-building pages? gcc-multilib and g++-multilib are required for 64bit ubuntu. (g++-multilib is what broke libstdc++) |
| 18:45.03 | romainguy_ | anno^da: it's one time for you, not for each of your apps |
| 18:45.05 | plusminus_ | it works :) like a charm !!! Grats @ Google !!! |
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| 18:45.22 | anno^da | romainguy: thanks for that confirmation. :-) |
| 18:45.30 | anno^da | plusminus_: verbesser das mal in der news ;) |
| 18:45.36 | romainguy_ | anno^da: it's mostly to avoid spams and people uploading malicious apps :) |
| 18:45.59 | anno^da | romainguy: yeah thats ok. :-) |
| 18:46.03 | vol | I dunno, $25 isn't that much to get $1000 worth of loot |
| 18:46.22 | Disconnect | ...cuz spammers would never think to pay $25..... |
| 18:46.26 | Disconnect | :/ |
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| 18:47.20 | romainguy_ | Disconnect: at least that helps prevent automated accounts creation |
| 18:47.21 | vol | great to stop robots, but even $1 would do that |
| 18:47.27 | Disconnect | yah |
| 18:47.39 | Disconnect | but so does recaptcha :) |
| 18:47.53 | plusminus_ | anno^da: I'll do. Gimme a second |
| 18:48.02 | mo0620 | has anyone received the OTA update yet? |
| 18:48.05 | Disconnect | (or, as vol points out, $1 or $5) |
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| 18:48.40 | plusminus_ | done |
| 18:48.42 | waldo_ | is back (gone 00:13:49) |
| 18:49.12 | d4v3y0rk | so the img files that come with the SDK are not current. if i want to run my software on the most current img i need to copy it over from the out dir to the images dir under the sdk tools lib dir |
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| 18:49.35 | xavd | hey guys, we updated the signing/publishing doc: http://code.google.com/android/devel/sign-publish.html |
| 18:49.43 | anno^da | romainguy: great. |
| 18:49.49 | xavd | I recommend that you all read it :) |
| 18:49.55 | anno^da | So I'm leaving now. Have a nice time Androids. |
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| 18:50.33 | romainguy_ | d4v3y0rk: the SDK has current images |
| 18:51.02 | steventroughtons | d4v3y0rk: the SDK is the 'same' as the source release |
| 18:51.13 | steventroughtons | just with some proprietary features in it |
| 18:51.24 | d4v3y0rk | but going forward as patches are accepted and put in the repo that is how i get the most current build of android |
| 18:51.34 | steventroughtons | sure, yes |
| 18:51.38 | steventroughtons | but if you're developing |
| 18:51.41 | steventroughtons | you should work to the 1.0 sdk |
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| 18:51.49 | androoid | Shouldn't my app ask for permission when I try to install an app ? |
| 18:51.52 | steventroughtons | until all android devices are running a newer system |
| 18:51.59 | d4v3y0rk | ah i see |
| 18:51.59 | romainguy_ | d4v3y0rk: yes but the phones will still run the android 1.0 images until OTA |
| 18:52.15 | d4v3y0rk | is the a planned timeline for OTA? |
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| 18:52.32 | steventroughtons | as updates are solely up to the carriers in the different countries, you might always need the 1.0 sdk around |
| 18:53.03 | d4v3y0rk | will people be able to compile and run their own stuff on the phones. like a development phone |
| 18:53.13 | plusminus_ | romainguy is the "Improper call to JPEG library"-Bug fixed in the G1-version ? |
| 18:53.39 | mo0620 | one bug im facing is with the g1 is that when i have a ringtone in my memory card it works fine until i plug my g1 into my computer or into my charger that ringtone does not work anymore, until i restart my phone |
| 18:54.22 | bmunger | can the G1 and other phones be loaded with standard android os? |
| 18:54.26 | xavd | mo0620: using the official charger? |
| 18:54.31 | mo0620 | yes i am |
| 18:54.42 | d4v3y0rk | what i mean is as patches get accepted to the repo will I be able to build them and send them to my phone for testing? |
| 18:54.48 | Disconnect | bmunger: in theory sure, but in practice the g1 requires a signed image and tmo is holding the keys |
| 18:54.49 | mo0620 | i understand why it wont work if its plugged into a computer (mass storage mode) but not charger |
| 18:55.01 | xavd | yeah that is strange |
| 18:55.11 | bmunger | Disconnect: great... |
| 18:55.21 | bricode | steventroughtons: What extra stuff is in the SDK vs. the a built source release? |
| 18:55.34 | steventroughtons | Maps, for one |
| 18:55.37 | Disconnect | points to the topic, where it still doesn't say you can't reflash a g1 |
| 18:55.38 | mo0620 | hopefully the OTA update will address some memory card issues |
| 18:55.42 | bmunger | wish there was an open phone as well as the os |
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| 18:55.48 | steventroughtons | the SDK has the libgtalk and maps libs |
| 18:55.56 | d4v3y0rk | lol yeah thats just what I was thinking |
| 18:56.16 | steventroughtons | yeah I'd love just a blank device of some sort to flash android onto :) |
| 18:56.30 | steventroughtons | the emulator sucks for developing :( |
| 18:56.52 | plusminus_ | hm, my Map-APIKEY works for GeoCoding, but not for the MapTiles :/ |
| 18:56.54 | Disconnect | some of the guys have mentioned possibly selling a developer's device. so.. but its not for sale now and nobody has made any official statements |
| 18:57.10 | Disconnect | chances are it'll cost more than the $400 that the retail version runs tho |
| 18:57.10 | plusminus_ | any ideas ? |
| 18:57.15 | steventroughtons | a developer device?! hot-damn I want one |
| 18:57.24 | steventroughtons | G1 wont be available in ireland probably ever |
| 18:57.30 | steventroughtons | so I need *something* to work on |
| 18:57.32 | d4v3y0rk | it would be nice to be able to build your own tweaked version of android on run it on your g1 with any carrier |
| 18:57.50 | steventroughtons | android has nothing to do with an unlocked baseband |
| 18:57.55 | Disconnect | yah |
| 18:57.56 | steventroughtons | usually the baseband is on it's own cpu |
| 18:58.00 | steventroughtons | is its* |
| 18:58.19 | steventroughtons | there's a compelte disconnect with the phone OS and the unlockability |
| 18:58.20 | Disconnect | the most you get from a custom flash of android is the ability to (maybe) reflash the gsm firmware. or (more likely) brick it forever.. |
| 18:58.29 | cliff | i'm having trouble submitting a patch |
| 18:58.40 | cliff | when i try to do 'git add' it says 'not a git repository' |
| 18:58.41 | muthu | DarkriftX: you there? |
| 18:58.44 | geist | much more likely brticking it forever, since on the msm cpu the baseband controls the arm11 |
| 18:58.49 | DarkriftX | sup |
| 18:58.57 | Disconnect | geist: ooh neat |
| 18:59.02 | geist | not really |
| 18:59.05 | Disconnect | heh |
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| 18:59.13 | steventroughtons | btw, if anyone wants the IM app to at least show *something* when you run it, you can edit _androiddir_/packages/apps/IM/src/com/android/im/app/ChooseAccountActivity.java |
| 18:59.22 | xavd | mo0620: I just tried and I was able to play music from my device while plugged in the charger (which means the sdcard was not unmounted from the device) |
| 18:59.23 | steventroughtons | there's a != you can change to an = in that |
| 18:59.27 | steventroughtons | so you get gtalk to show up |
| 18:59.31 | geist | also means it's much harder to screw with the modem anyway, since it's relatively locked away |
| 18:59.33 | muthu | DarkriftX: how to upload our apk in your forums? |
| 18:59.36 | steventroughtons | (but the rest of the lib isn't included, so can't work) |
| 18:59.37 | wastrel | am i supposed to keep this screen protector thing on my screen? |
| 18:59.49 | steventroughtons | lol⦠|
| 18:59.59 | ttuttle | wastrel: No, but you might want to. |
| 19:00.03 | DarkriftX | http://android-dls.com/forum/index.php?f=7&rb_v=viewforum make a new topic and add it as an attachment |
| 19:00.11 | muthu | ok |
| 19:00.17 | DarkriftX | or you can try to dcc it to me and ill put it up |
| 19:00.18 | Disconnect | also remember that tmobile 3g isn't gonna be compatible with anyone else. so if you want "actual' 3g you need something like 2x the freqs of a "standard" 3g phone (usa-tmob-3g, usa-att-3g, eu-3g, ja-3g... maybe cn-3g i forget..) |
| 19:00.19 | DarkriftX | is it tested? |
| 19:00.24 | Disconnect | thats gonna make it expensive |
| 19:00.32 | Disconnect | wastrel: i took mine off. regret it. :( |
| 19:00.41 | hackbod | cliff, hi |
| 19:00.41 | Disconnect | its better on. |
| 19:00.45 | cliff | hey |
| 19:00.55 | hackbod | um i have never actually submitted anything with git so i probably can't help much :) |
| 19:00.55 | cliff | repo doesn't seem to properly setup git |
| 19:00.59 | cliff | me either |
| 19:01.01 | steventroughtons | I hate plastic on my screens, rip it off asap :D |
| 19:01.07 | cliff | is there someone i should talk to? |
| 19:01.13 | cliff | repo seems to set git up in a bad state |
| 19:01.14 | hackbod | i am hoping joe's web UI will at least make the review process easy :) |
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| 19:01.21 | cliff | yeah |
| 19:01.26 | geist | hackbod: you managed to avoid it after all this time? |
| 19:01.34 | Disconnect | is gonna have to start carrying lens cleaners just to get hte smudges off the glass. the plastic protector wiped clean real easy |
| 19:01.48 | geist | guess git didn't ooze out of kernel land until pretty late |
| 19:01.48 | cliff | remember google uses perforce |
| 19:01.55 | DannyB_ | we use a lot of things |
| 19:01.56 | hackbod | geist, the git repos were just made like a day or two ago! |
| 19:02.00 | DannyB_ | ;) |
| 19:02.01 | geist | wow |
| 19:02.18 | muthu | DarkriftX: uploaded |
| 19:02.24 | muthu | if you got a g1, run it ;) |
| 19:02.25 | DarkriftX | ty :) |
| 19:03.09 | androoid | g1 is awesome!!!!! |
| 19:03.10 | hackbod | cliff, i'm not sure who is here who can help |
| 19:03.14 | cliff | ok :) |
| 19:03.21 | cliff | i think it's messed up, at least on OSX |
| 19:03.33 | hackbod | could very well be |
| 19:03.38 | muthu | http://mobeegal.in/Mobeegal.apk |
| 19:03.46 | plusminus_ | rdy ? |
| 19:03.49 | muthu | for anyone interested :) |
| 19:03.55 | cliff | i follow the instructions, but the git metadata seems to just not be setup -- and then i can't use 'repo' to upload it, cause git doesn't prepare it |
| 19:04.24 | steventroughtons | muthu: what's that? |
| 19:04.34 | plusminus_ | muthu: it rns :) |
| 19:04.41 | jeld | how do I connect adb to my G1? |
| 19:04.46 | plusminus_ | layout-error on the startup screen |
| 19:04.47 | muthu | yay! |
| 19:04.59 | wastrel | Disconnect: screen protector products will be out within a week :] |
| 19:05.05 | wastrel | Disconnect: i hate screen protectors ;] |
| 19:05.15 | plusminus_ | tha >>| image is misplaced |
| 19:05.22 | Disconnect | jeld: usb debug on (from application->dev) and usb storage off (simplifies things, once adb works you can experiment) and then just adb -d |
| 19:05.22 | steventroughtons | wastrel: I agree with you ;) |
| 19:05.29 | muthu | plusminus_: really? |
| 19:05.30 | Disconnect | and if linux, adb as root |
| 19:05.41 | muthu | the UI sucks.. because i can't design anything ;) |
| 19:05.47 | plusminus_ | muthu: yes its half above the search button |
| 19:05.56 | muthu | oh nooo |
| 19:05.58 | muthu | click it |
| 19:06.02 | hackbod | cliff, a lot of people seem to be out at lunch right now... actually i need to get something too... i'll see who i can dig up a little later to help |
| 19:06.02 | plusminus_ | muthu: "Search complete - View Results" android in ALL |
| 19:06.07 | donomo | im trying to install an .apk i built with eclipse and the latest SDK |
| 19:06.13 | Disconnect | wastrel: yah my shieldzone thing is arriving shortly. i love them :) (random side note, if you want one do me a favor and order via the link @ www.gotontheinter.net - i get 10% :) ..) |
| 19:06.14 | cliff | hackbod: ok no rush, i'm submitting a bug report too |
| 19:06.20 | donomo | the phone says "(green check) App install unsuccessful." |
| 19:06.23 | donomo | any ideas? |
| 19:06.30 | xavd | jeld: developing on hardware doc: http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#developingondevicehardware |
| 19:06.37 | donomo | 1.0RC1 SDK i should say. |
| 19:06.47 | jeld | xavd, thanx |
| 19:06.59 | plusminus_ | muthu: Results show up in all the different categories |
| 19:07.01 | umdk1d3 | xavd: awesome link, that should go in topic |
| 19:07.17 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: got a working ssh for me? :) |
| 19:07.21 | muthu | plusminus_: yeah, all searches for all topics |
| 19:07.23 | xavd | umdk1d3: sure, whoever is op can do it :) |
| 19:07.43 | plusminus_ | muthu: background behind the four buttons in 'Web' flashes up when pressing on of them |
| 19:07.52 | umdk1d3 | Disconnect: lol not yet :P |
| 19:08.06 | Disconnect | aww :( |
| 19:08.07 | umdk1d3 | prolly going to work on it tomorrow :P need sleep badly |
| 19:08.10 | plusminus_ | muthu: could start app |
| 19:08.20 | umdk1d3 | i was killing myslef hoping to have it ready for a market launch today |
| 19:08.20 | plusminus_ | ... youtube app by clickign on of the links |
| 19:08.29 | umdk1d3 | but now its not til monday, so ill take my time |
| 19:08.31 | plusminus_ | "Hi Sergey.." :-D |
| 19:08.31 | muthu | video works? |
| 19:08.34 | ttuttle | plusminus_: ? |
| 19:08.40 | steventroughtons | "If you're developing on Mac OS X, it just works. Skip this step." - i like these instructions :D |
| 19:08.50 | plusminus_ | muthu: link to youtube |
| 19:08.56 | muthu | oh great |
| 19:09.02 | xavd | steventroughtons: :) |
| 19:09.27 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: ..but i need ssh before monday! :( .. ok prolly don't, since i need to focus on my own apps instead of debugging someone else's, but still :P |
| 19:09.28 | umdk1d3 | steventroughtons: it worked instantly on my gentoo box too ^.^ |
| 19:09.53 | steventroughtons | damn you people with actual hardware to test on! :P |
| 19:09.55 | plusminus_ | muthu: got 2 go bakc to AndNav now. its working too :) |
| 19:09.57 | unix_lappy | steventroughtons: weird, is like an actual...person wrote them. |
| 19:09.57 | xavd | umdk1d3: good to know! did you ever play with the usb settings or is it out of the box? |
| 19:10.04 | muthu | plusminus_: thanks |
| 19:10.34 | plusminus_ | np |
| 19:10.40 | steventroughtons | The requested URL /android/guide/developing/tools/ddms.html was not found on this server. |
| 19:10.41 | steventroughtons | ouch |
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| 19:11.06 | umdk1d3 | xavd: out of the box =D |
| 19:11.06 | xavd | steventroughtons: where did you get that? |
| 19:11.09 | Disconnect | http://code.google.com/android/reference/ddms.html |
| 19:11.12 | xavd | umdk1d3: cool |
| 19:11.28 | steventroughtons | xavd: I clicked on the logcat link |
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| 19:11.32 | steventroughtons | on the page you linked |
| 19:11.46 | umdk1d3 | oh awesome i dont need jasons permission cuz this is public now ^.^ /me goes to write blogpost |
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| 19:11.56 | malcom_ | hello guys |
| 19:12.00 | xavd | steventroughtons: confirmed. I'll file a bug for the doc writers |
| 19:12.10 | steventroughtons | xavd: cheers mate |
| 19:12.12 | mo0620 | we need to figure out ssh so we can get some themes and customization going :) |
| 19:12.28 | malcom_ | I would start making app for google android. I would to ask if there is (now or in future) UI designer for this OS |
| 19:12.34 | romainguy_ | plusminus_: romainguy is the "Improper call to JPEG library"-Bug fixed in the G1-version ? << no. I don't think so |
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| 19:12.43 | malcom_ | at this time seems I need to write code in order to design UI, right? |
| 19:13.02 | umdk1d3 | oh AWESOME @ TI adding bluetooth+wlan drivers to android source |
| 19:13.04 | steventroughtons | malcom_: UI is laid out in xml |
| 19:13.06 | romainguy_ | malcom_: there is a visual designer with the Eclipse Android plugin |
| 19:13.10 | ralfz | malcom_, use the Graphical Layout Editor in the eclipse plugin |
| 19:13.16 | malcom_ | great! |
| 19:13.22 | steventroughtons | ergh, eclipse :P |
| 19:13.23 | malcom_ | is it a new feature of 1.0 sdk? |
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| 19:13.37 | romainguy_ | malcom_: yes |
| 19:13.44 | plusminus_ | romainguy: Seems not to happen as far as I can see |
| 19:13.51 | malcom_ | oh well that's a great thing. I'm waiting for it... I'm going to download it now :) |
| 19:14.03 | ttuttle | Anyone tried Brain Genius Deluxe? |
| 19:14.07 | mo0620 | is SSH possible yet? |
| 19:14.07 | malcom_ | setup this chan in autojoin (finally) |
| 19:14.10 | romainguy_ | plusminus_: if that's the bug I'm thinking about, it depends on the connection speed |
| 19:14.20 | ttuttle | It's cool, but Crate Rotate has the shittiest accelerometer sensing ever. |
| 19:14.26 | ttuttle | It fucks up nearly half the time. |
| 19:14.59 | Disconnect | ttuttle: i did but yah crate sucks |
| 19:15.19 | Disconnect | and i had occasional issues with hitting the calculator-buttons correctly |
| 19:15.29 | ttuttle | yeah |
| 19:16.15 | ttuttle | every time I turn it left it goes right |
| 19:16.24 | ttuttle | or maybe 1/3 of the time |
| 19:17.05 | DarkriftX | muthu, I have added it to the main downloads section, thx for the upload |
| 19:17.08 | mpardo | DEV QUESTION: i try to connect to a website diagrammatically but get an exception (host not found). I read that port 80 is being added to the host which screws it up |
| 19:17.34 | muthu | DarkriftX: np |
| 19:17.57 | ttuttle | mpardo: RANDOM COMMENT: Why are you prefixing your question with "dev question" in caps, and what does "diagrammatically" mean? |
| 19:18.13 | mpardo | oops |
| 19:18.16 | mpardo | programatically |
| 19:18.33 | mpardo | n i dont want my question getting lost in convo |
| 19:18.37 | mpardo | sry fer the caps |
| 19:18.41 | mpardo | it is all caps day tho |
| 19:18.51 | Laz | yay shutter speed is back |
| 19:19.16 | romainguy_ | Laz: and I already got bad reviews for it :) |
| 19:19.25 | romainguy_ | damn users :p |
| 19:19.35 | Laz | they are talking nonsense |
| 19:19.51 | mo0620 | shutterspeed looks cool, i dont know what to put for the settings tho, im bad a photography lol |
| 19:20.58 | donomo | anyone got an .apk to install via a web link? |
| 19:21.13 | jt436 | goes to download shutter speed just to give it 5stars ;) |
| 19:21.20 | Disconnect | only bad review i've posted so far is the crappy BoA webview "application" that just points to their 1995-era WAP-evolved mobile site :( |
| 19:21.45 | Lenolium | donomo: I have, with connectbot. |
| 19:21.52 | trashguy | only thing that has me meh |
| 19:21.56 | trashguy | is battery life :( |
| 19:22.50 | unix_lappy | trashguy: you've gone through two cycles already? |
| 19:23.10 | trashguy | unix_lappy, no |
| 19:23.27 | donomo | Lenolium: my .apk goes 99% of the way through the install process, but the last screen says "(green check) install unsuccessful" |
| 19:23.34 | donomo | Lenolium: are you using sdk 1.0RC1 ? |
| 19:23.42 | trashguy | maybe im jaded by blackberry battery life |
| 19:23.43 | jasonchen | jt436: don't have a speech to give or someting? :-P |
| 19:23.58 | jt436 | ha, yeah not until 4:30 |
| 19:24.34 | jasta | ohh i like the e-mail client |
| 19:24.47 | jasta | is gonna look into getting IMAP IDLE working this weekend |
| 19:24.58 | umdk1d3 | grr odd when doing -d uninstall [package]: |
| 19:24.58 | umdk1d3 | Can't dispatch DDM chunk 52454151: no handler defined |
| 19:24.58 | umdk1d3 | Can't dispatch DDM chunk 48454c4f: no handler defined |
| 19:24.59 | Lenolium | I don't like the email client for one thing: it won't let you accept bad SSL certificates. |
| 19:25.02 | Disconnect | jasta: i'd like it more if i could use it. no way to trust non-commercial certs (self-signed, cacert, etc) |
| 19:25.04 | Disconnect | heh |
| 19:25.20 | jasta | ohh are you serious? that's lame |
| 19:25.21 | Disconnect | Lenolium: i have a patch, i think. |
| 19:25.33 | Disconnect | building now, if i get it i'll rename it (so it can install) and post the apk somewhere |
| 19:25.58 | Lenolium | Disconnect: That would make me (and someone else in a different channel who is having the exact same problem) very happy |
| 19:26.06 | xavd | umdk1d3: that happens sometimes. you can ignore it |
| 19:26.21 | Disconnect | yah it drives me batty too. the answer of "turn off ssl" is .. not good. |
| 19:26.39 | trashguy | turn off ssl |
| 19:26.44 | trashguy | sounds like microsoft advice |
| 19:26.45 | Disconnect | (as i said at the time, its not like you ever use a cellphone in a hostile network environment :) ..) |
| 19:26.48 | Disconnect | yah well |
| 19:27.04 | gdsx | Disconnect: change from "Require SSL" to the other one |
| 19:27.08 | gdsx | Disconnect: SSL if available, I think |
| 19:27.16 | trashguy | Disconnect, i pretty much assume all wireless networks hostile |
| 19:27.16 | unix_lappy | Disconnect: well bad and self signed. |
| 19:27.23 | gdsx | Disconnect: it's not ideal, but it does what you want |
| 19:27.24 | Disconnect | gdsx: that's the same as turn off ssl -it'll try, then when it finds a bad key it'll fall back to no ssl |
| 19:27.35 | mpardo | does anyone know how to fix a "host is unresolved" error? |
| 19:27.44 | unix_lappy | jasta: which email client you talking about? |
| 19:27.52 | jasta | the email one, not gmail |
| 19:27.59 | jasta | it looks tidy |
| 19:28.11 | gdsx | Disconnect: you're sure? I complained about the same thing and an Email person said that should work |
| 19:28.14 | jasta | lol, i get EDGE service at my house, lame |
| 19:28.25 | zhobbs | jasta: it needs the ability to move a message, and search ability |
| 19:28.29 | Disconnect | jasta: me too but then again, thats cuz its just EDGE in DC :) |
| 19:28.33 | jasta | what the hell it cant search? |
| 19:28.35 | Lenolium | jasta: It beats GPRS. ;) |
| 19:28.44 | Disconnect | gdsx: easy enough to find out, my firewall blocks non-ssl imap so.. testing now |
| 19:28.47 | jasta | AT&T ftw. |
| 19:28.57 | Disconnect | jasta: at&ts 3g stomps tmob anyway tho |
| 19:29.03 | Disconnect | but verizon can stomp them both |
| 19:29.09 | fadden | At home you can do WiFi... |
| 19:29.31 | xorl | Disconnect: Not really.. |
| 19:29.40 | xorl | Disconnect: T-Mob's edge is faster than AT&T's by far |
| 19:29.42 | unix_lappy | Disconnect: i'm guessing verizon will dump some CDMA 3G phones on the market here pretty soon. |
| 19:29.43 | jasta | fadden: except i'm trying to test/use my app ... |
| 19:29.47 | jasta | and using it on wi-fi is a crap test ;) |
| 19:29.52 | xorl | in my area at least. |
| 19:30.00 | jasta | xorl: that's certainly not true here |
| 19:30.11 | zhobbs | jasta: with t-mobile I'd assume most users are on edge still |
| 19:30.13 | jasta | trust me, i've been doing a LOT of performance benchmarks with AT&T for the past year |
| 19:30.15 | xorl | I was getting almost 20-30 kb/sec faster on t-mob over edge than AT&T |
| 19:30.17 | Disconnect | oooh its broken anyway. localhost is not an ok HELO :) |
| 19:30.21 | Disconnect | but it looks like that worked :) |
| 19:30.27 | jasta | and AT&T's EDGE network dominated T-Mobile's. And their 3G coverage is much higher :) |
| 19:30.29 | xorl | And 3G (untested at this time) |
| 19:30.35 | xorl | but AT&T regulates there 3G like wow. |
| 19:30.52 | jasta | xorl: 20-30kb/s *faster*? both of these technologies top out around 200kbps. |
| 19:30.54 | unix_lappy | jasta: I wouldnt know anything about that. |
| 19:30.56 | Disconnect | ..thats something i'm willing to patch for now but |
| 19:30.58 | jasta | err, both of those networks, i mean |
| 19:31.00 | xorl | jasta: yes |
| 19:31.07 | xorl | I was getting 127 kb/s on AT&T |
| 19:31.07 | unix_lappy | jasta: but the alternative is getting an iPhone and not being able to pair. |
| 19:31.12 | xorl | and getting over 150 on T-Mob |
| 19:31.21 | jasta | do you mean kbps or KB? |
| 19:31.27 | xorl | lowercase b ;) |
| 19:31.37 | jasta | ahh, well that i can believe ;) |
| 19:31.42 | jasta | though its not true here hehe |
| 19:31.51 | xorl | (san diego) it's certainly true. |
| 19:31.58 | jasta | that's ok tho, i'm still really happy with this device |
| 19:32.15 | jasta | i will just be anxiously awaiting a device that can operate on AT&T's 3G band :) |
| 19:32.16 | tethridge | jasta, how does five run on the device? |
| 19:32.25 | cliff | dream is the only phone htc makes that gets signal in my house, makes me happy |
| 19:32.26 | jasta | tethridge: great when you can manage to find 3G service |
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| 19:33.00 | xorl | cliff: haha when I had the iPhone 3G for the few months that I did, I would have dropped signal ALL over hell |
| 19:33.09 | tethridge | so without 3g, the bandwidth required to stream makes it unusable? |
| 19:33.25 | tethridge | five, that is |
| 19:33.55 | jasta | well, on T-mobile's network in my tests, yes. |
| 19:34.01 | jasta | on AT&T's network in my tests with my old phone, no. |
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| 19:34.03 | jasta | so YMMV |
| 19:34.29 | tethridge | jasta, does the server resample the music? |
| 19:34.30 | jasta | (that is, T-Mobile's EDGE speed here is about 80kbps, AT&T's was 220kbps) |
| 19:34.31 | Cedric2 | About 3G speeds: http://cnettv.cnet.com/2001-1_53-50004143.html?tag=mncol;txt |
| 19:34.38 | jasta | tethridge: not currently, but it will soon |
| 19:34.46 | jasta | i'm compiling a list of things to change next to make it work better in practice |
| 19:34.52 | jasta | but on 3G, it doesn't much matter. 3G performed well |
| 19:35.07 | gdsx | Cedric2: that video is useless |
| 19:35.32 | michaelnovakjr | music ota without 3g is rough |
| 19:35.43 | michaelnovakjr | on 3g its excellent |
| 19:35.51 | jasta | Cedric2: lol, are you for real? |
| 19:35.53 | jasta | CNET? |
| 19:35.54 | tethridge | so did you guys experience any long lines when picking up your g1? |
| 19:36.19 | jasta | tethridge: hardly. there was a line of like 20 people at the t-mob store i went to. there were 30 units available, so they didnt even sell out |
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| 19:36.26 | jasta | i was there for about 20 minutes and got mine |
| 19:36.29 | Disconnect | so for the record, gdsx is correct :) but there -really- needs to be a note about that in the error dialog. |
| 19:36.30 | steventroughtons | Haha Android modding ftw! http://twitpic.com/hlrj |
| 19:36.43 | Disconnect | and i'm unhappy with it not actually verifying that the cert is unchanged :( |
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| 19:36.51 | plusminus_ | damn the accelerometer works fine !! |
| 19:37.17 | tethridge | what's different? |
| 19:37.33 | gdsx | Disconnect: folks are working on it |
| 19:37.34 | tethridge | the drawer tab? |
| 19:37.39 | Disconnect | gdsx: awsome |
| 19:37.51 | steventroughtons | tethridge: yes |
| 19:38.02 | vol | steventroughtons: I don't get it. They just changed the color of the drawer? |
| 19:38.12 | steventroughtons | vol: I changed it |
| 19:38.19 | steventroughtons | who's 'they' ? |
| 19:38.26 | vol | you, I guess |
| 19:38.29 | steventroughtons | :P |
| 19:38.31 | vol | they being "whoever made that picture" |
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| 19:38.34 | unix_lappy | jasta: I remember you saying that this device was purely for development and your main phone will remain an iPhone.... |
| 19:38.52 | jasta | i dont think you remember me saying that because i dont own an iphone, nor do i want one |
| 19:38.53 | tethridge | unix_lappy, you know better than that |
| 19:39.01 | daniell | can I translate google android and upload it to source.android.com? |
| 19:39.09 | tomgibara | having the android.jar source attached in eclipse is bliss |
| 19:39.25 | unix_lappy | hmm, must've been plusminus_ then...one of you two that were early adopters. |
| 19:39.46 | wastrel | there's a drawer? |
| 19:40.01 | jasta | i am gonna have a lot of fun with this thing :) |
| 19:40.03 | jasta | man im excited |
| 19:40.12 | jasta | but i gotta get some features banged out of five today to make it more usable |
| 19:40.18 | tethridge | wastrel, that's what the repository for the apps is called |
| 19:40.32 | jasta | Dougie187 brought up a good one, Five should support mutliple server addresses for the same source |
| 19:40.37 | jasta | so you can have one for wi-fi, one for inet |
| 19:40.52 | tomgibara | Has anyone used the setNextFocusXxxId methods/attributes and got them to work? |
| 19:40.59 | jasta | and switch between them without reconfiguring your router to understand that foo.dyndns.org should point to a machine in your network from your network |
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| 19:42.36 | languish | any of the google apps guys here, specifically calendar-knowledgeable? |
| 19:43.09 | Goosey | Hurray GPS working outside. |
| 19:43.32 | daniell | can I translate google Android? |
| 19:43.46 | mo0620 | i hope the OTA update will allow us to save apps to the SD card!!!! cant wait |
| 19:44.01 | steventroughtons | I want to be able to reorder apps :/ |
| 19:45.15 | Disconnect | mo0620: its technically possible but its more complicated than just enabling it. big rewrite of parts of android - apps are constrained by user/group info and thats not stored on sd cards |
| 19:45.17 | vol | reorder? |
| 19:45.25 | vol | you don't like alphabetization? : ( |
| 19:45.29 | steventroughtons | no! |
| 19:45.45 | geist | there are ways of emulating that stuff on FAT |
| 19:45.46 | geist | but it's grody |
| 19:45.47 | steventroughtons | I dont want all my a* or b* apps taking precedence :) |
| 19:45.57 | Disconnect | mo0620: you could carve out a block of space to be mounted loopback as (eg) ext2 with user/group info, or use userspace filesystem as an overlay, but none of that is written |
| 19:46.52 | Disconnect | mo0620: and when it comes down to it, at some point in that process an app can get access to all the info, etc from another app without breaking the existing security mechanism |
| 19:47.32 | SanMehat | geist: i'm working on it :) |
| 19:47.54 | *** part/#android mpardo (n=chatzill@75.144.91.181) |
| 19:48.21 | geist | SanMehat: get to it! |
| 19:48.36 | SanMehat | geist: yes sir! |
| 19:49.15 | vol | steventroughtons: place them on the desktop? |
| 19:49.24 | steventroughtons | i'd rather not |
| 19:49.39 | steventroughtons | on all platforms I always have my desktop clear |
| 19:49.41 | jasta | one thing you really take for granted about developing for a real device versus an emulator is that users like to tinker |
| 19:49.44 | jasta | a lot |
| 19:49.56 | jasta | i broke my own app by just wandering around it in a way that i wouldnt normally with the emu |
| 19:50.42 | wastrel | my 3g is going in and out |
| 19:50.57 | wastrel | should i stand near the window ? :] |
| 19:51.32 | Disconnect | jasta: i read "wandering around in a way" and thought "how often do you carry your desktop around the room testing teh app?" :) |
| 19:51.36 | encontradoafk | you should put your hands up in the air |
| 19:51.43 | mo0620 | Disconnect: sounds confusing lol, i will just try to enjoy my g1 as much as i can lol |
| 19:52.38 | unix_lappy | wastrel: which city are you in? |
| 19:53.14 | wastrel | nyc |
| 19:53.30 | wastrel | encontradoafk: which hand? |
| 19:53.59 | unix_lappy | wastrel: that's disconcerting. |
| 19:54.10 | encontradoafk | um, the one that isn't otherwise occupied? |
| 19:55.00 | languish | wastrel, my 3g also fluctuates |
| 19:55.04 | languish | it's strange |
| 19:55.09 | languish | I'm also in nyc |
| 19:55.28 | languish | it jumps between 1 and 3 bars regularly |
| 19:55.38 | tmccrary | alright, my G1 should be here tomorrow |
| 19:55.56 | languish | and it does it in different areas |
| 19:56.03 | languish | standing still, or moving |
| 19:56.21 | unix_lappy | It's disconcerting b/c if they can't roll out 3G effectively in a large city like NYC with high population density then liklihood of it being decent in Texas is slim. |
| 19:56.24 | vol | hopefully that gets better in the next few months |
| 19:56.35 | vol | at least you're in 3g territory |
| 19:56.38 | Disconnect | gdsx: if you're still talking to the devs it'd be nice if there was a way to sub/unsub folders either per-device or at least for the imap account. (per-device is better, since its slightly out of spec but totally legit to not want a ton of folders on the phone that you want on your desktop) |
| 19:56.45 | vol | on my way to work i go between gprs, evdo, and 3g |
| 19:56.50 | vol | I get gprs in the office, and at home |
| 19:57.02 | Disconnect | is headed to baltimore this weekend to hang out, will try to fall in love with 3g while there |
| 19:57.07 | wastrel | don't the buildings make providings srvice a pain? |
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| 19:57.23 | wastrel | because there's shadows, reflection, it's just a headache for wireless in nyc. |
| 19:57.38 | wastrel | whereas in texas, there's no buildings, it's all on big flat plain |
| 19:57.59 | wastrel | i'm getting zero web service |
| 19:58.07 | unix_lappy | vol: evdo? |
| 19:58.13 | cavaughan | If I may ask a question here. I got the "Mysterious build failure when javac isn't present" as described on http://source.android.com/known-issues |
| 19:58.24 | unix_lappy | you must have a cdma device... |
| 19:58.28 | cavaughan | I have made sure javac is in my PATH |
| 19:58.30 | gdsx | cavaughan: can you run "javac" from your shell? |
| 19:58.31 | cavaughan | but still same error |
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| 19:58.50 | fadden | What's the first line of "javac -version" ? |
| 19:59.11 | cavaughan | it says that the program javac can be found inthe following packages |
| 19:59.22 | cavaughan | so I guess somethings not completely right |
| 19:59.29 | fadden | Yup. |
| 19:59.34 | wastrel | the screen is a little creaky when you're tapping on it & it's closed |
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| 20:00.03 | zhobbs | how do I force a ListView/GridView to invalidate a single child? (ie, call the adapter.getView for that child if visible) ? |
| 20:00.07 | DarkriftX | oooh, the spoon is not here :S |
| 20:01.07 | romainguy_ | zhobbs: getChildAt(...).invalidate() |
| 20:01.23 | romainguy_ | and you can convert from position to child index using getFirstVisiblePosition() |
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| 20:01.42 | cavaughan | interesting OK, there's a link to javac, but it's a broken link |
| 20:01.43 | zhobbs | romainguy_: that will call the getView for the adapter, or just invalidate the View the adapter previously supplied? |
| 20:02.16 | romainguy_ | it will invalidate the view currently on screen |
| 20:02.26 | romainguy_ | don't call adapter.getView() directly, it won't do anything |
| 20:02.37 | Disconnect | oooh email broke :( |
| 20:03.06 | tomgibara | If I'm reading the code correctly, android:nextFocusDir only works for views in the same layout? Has anyone used these attributes? |
| 20:03.14 | zhobbs | romainguy_: hmmm, anyway to make it actually call getView() again for that child? |
| 20:03.15 | Disconnect | neat. "E/AndroidRuntime( 1199): Uncaught handler: thread Thread-7 exiting due to uncaught exception / E/AndroidRuntime( 1199): java.lang.OutOfMemoryError" |
| 20:03.18 | romainguy_ | tomgibara: er yes |
| 20:03.27 | romainguy_ | tomgibara: they have to be in the same view tree at least |
| 20:03.28 | Disconnect | wonder if its gonna do that every time i open a large email |
| 20:04.09 | tomgibara | romainguy_: Does that mean they have a shared ancestor view? Because isn't that guaranteed in the context of a single window? |
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| 20:04.34 | romainguy_ | romainguy: yes |
| 20:05.03 | tomgibara | hmm, I just can't get them to work - and they should be very simple |
| 20:06.16 | tethridge | did you guys see that google is advertising the g1 on the main google.com page? |
| 20:06.32 | tethridge | it points here: http://www.google.com/intl/en_us/mobile/android/hpp.html |
| 20:06.37 | fadden | Disconnect: anything interesting a couple of lines above that in the log? |
| 20:06.38 | zhobbs | neat |
| 20:07.12 | tomgibara | romainguy_: btw I tracked down that odd homescreen - it's what happens when you're stupid enough to temporarily hide the content view of your activity by accident. |
| 20:07.31 | romainguy_ | haha :) |
| 20:07.41 | romainguy_ | your window would have to be transparent too |
| 20:07.45 | tomgibara | it was :) |
| 20:07.55 | tmccrary | go go google gadets |
| 20:07.58 | tmccrary | *gadgets |
| 20:08.35 | Disconnect | fadden: http://pastie.org/private/2qavaepc1t8dfkjwwy6y9q |
| 20:08.40 | Disconnect | its a monster-sized email |
| 20:08.50 | romainguy_ | Disconnect: file a bug |
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| 20:09.20 | Disconnect | romainguy_: yah got a few to file when i get home. and a feature request - 2s 'grace period' on autolock (so if it goes blank you have 2s or so to hit a button and bring it back) |
| 20:09.30 | fadden | E/dalvikvm-heap( 1199): Out of memory on a 1827912-byte allocation. |
| 20:09.35 | Disconnect | yah |
| 20:09.40 | fadden | The heap was already at 12MB. |
| 20:09.42 | covalentbond_ | is it possible to direct link to an app in Market? |
| 20:09.47 | fadden | So it's not happy. |
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| 20:10.36 | fadden | Some other unhappiness going on in there: Process com.google.process.gapps (pid 142) has died. |
| 20:10.52 | Disconnect | 325k |
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| 20:11.20 | Disconnect | its been chunky all day under use, things like home app timing out (and 'wait' causes a recovery/redaw in about 30s) |
| 20:12.21 | fadden | Disconnect: try "adb bugreport > bug.txt" |
| 20:12.59 | donomo | do i need the G1 out of mass storage mode to install an app over adb? |
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| 20:13.22 | fadden | donomo: shouldn't; app install does need to access /sdcard |
| 20:13.31 | famast | How can one tell if a mp4 contains a hint track? |
| 20:13.34 | donomo | hmm. 'adb devices' shows nothing |
| 20:13.36 | mpardo | does EDGE support dual transfer mode??? |
| 20:14.15 | mpardo | or the G1 i guess |
| 20:14.19 | fadden | donomo: you've been through http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#developingondevicehardware ? |
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| 20:14.30 | mc | do extra question marks help get a question answered faster? |
| 20:14.50 | fadden | mc: maybe!!!!!!! |
| 20:15.12 | vol | omg?! |
| 20:15.31 | mc | good to know |
| 20:15.39 | mpardo | i guess not... but they get a response from smart asses i guess |
| 20:15.55 | donomo | fadden: i have not. that will probably do the trick. thanks! |
| 20:18.32 | Disconnect | fadden: got the bug report, gotta remove some info real quick |
| 20:19.47 | xorl | wonder if I went into the T-Mobile store |
| 20:19.53 | xorl | cancelled my shipment and just got it in store. |
| 20:20.17 | xorl | I really don't want to wait till Nov. 10th. |
| 20:20.36 | Disconnect | xorl: if its already shipped, maybe not. otherwise should be fine. |
| 20:20.46 | xorl | yeah hasn't shipped at all |
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| 20:21.01 | languish | if it's already shipped, and you do it, make sure you deny delivery as return to sender |
| 20:21.04 | wastrel | anyone else in NYC? i'm not getting web at all |
| 20:21.09 | languish | <- |
| 20:21.11 | languish | lemme check |
| 20:21.13 | wastrel | can do email |
| 20:21.23 | wastrel | gmail rather |
| 20:21.54 | Disconnect | fadden: ok bug.txt is huge what do you want done with it? |
| 20:22.03 | languish | wastrel, I pulled up engadget just fine |
| 20:22.10 | Disconnect | (well, relatively huge. 1.3M) |
| 20:22.13 | Dougie187 | are you guys ircing on your phones? |
| 20:22.19 | gdsx | Disconnect: that's normal |
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| 20:22.35 | languish | Dougie187, I would if I found a decent irc app for android |
| 20:22.42 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:22.45 | Dougie187 | why don't you write one? |
| 20:22.46 | xorl | nope |
| 20:22.47 | languish | I'm not interested in ssh'ing |
| 20:22.47 | xorl | stores sold out |
| 20:22.48 | fadden | Disconnect: I don't know if our external bug tracking system can handle it |
| 20:22.51 | xorl | they're selling like hot cakes |
| 20:23.00 | xorl | guy said the store sold all 50 units by 11 |
| 20:23.01 | languish | Dougie187, because I don't have the time to develop the skillset to develop the app |
| 20:23.03 | fadden | Why don't you gzip it and mail it to me... |
| 20:23.22 | Disconnect | ok |
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| 20:23.27 | languish | Dougie187, I'm working on it, just at quarter-impulse |
| 20:23.34 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 20:23.51 | Dougie187 | So the update is going to come out tomorrow? |
| 20:23.53 | cyrus__ | if I want to cross compile the android code, how can I do this? Do I just set the CC environment variable to my cross compiler tool chain? |
| 20:23.55 | Dougie187 | or... an update? |
| 20:23.57 | DrTune | (sorry if this is a FAQ: I have build errors with Android, same problem as http://groups.google.com/group/android-internals/browse_thread/thread/1561a2ff06dcc993/f575ba0d073301ee - anyone help) |
| 20:24.06 | tomgibara | romainguy_: I'm not sure, but just perusing FocusFinder.java makes me think that the algorithm is wrong: findNextFocus(...) checks for a user defined view in the current root but if it doesn't find it there, proceeds to find one based on getFocusables(). I don't think this is what you want because a default view which is closer in the hierarchy will always be chosen over a user specified one. |
| 20:24.09 | languish | Dougie187, assume the update is going to be applied in a staggered manner |
| 20:24.14 | Dougie187 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/22/t-mobile-g1-software-update-to-be-pushed-out-tomorrow/ |
| 20:24.15 | languish | not all at once |
| 20:24.18 | Dougie187 | Probably. |
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| 20:25.34 | unix_lappy | anyone know of stores reporting that they are sold out? |
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| 20:25.51 | mc | i need to find someone with a g1 so i can stab them and take it |
| 20:26.11 | languish | mc, dude.. I've been flashing my G1 everywhere, and seriously, no one's interested |
| 20:26.22 | mc | i'll take it |
| 20:26.24 | mc | :) |
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| 20:26.39 | romainguy_ | tomgibara: no because if there's a user defined view it returns this view directly |
| 20:26.46 | bricode | DrTune: I was able to get past that by doing a new repo sync and switching to Python2.5 |
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| 20:27.02 | romainguy_ | tomgibara: anyway, feel free to file bugs or submit patches |
| 20:27.13 | DrTune | bricode: cool thanks |
| 20:27.17 | tomgibara | romainguy_: no, because it only returns the user defined view if it's in the root |
| 20:27.18 | hackbod | never question the focus finder at first glace... or second... or third... :) |
| 20:28.02 | tomgibara | hackbod: Yes, that won't be my first patch, I promise, or my second... or third :) |
| 20:28.03 | romainguy_ | tomgibara: but in the normal focusing case, the root is the ViewRoot |
| 20:28.07 | romainguy_ | which means the tip of the views hierarchy |
| 20:28.19 | tomgibara | duh, okay |
| 20:28.35 | romainguy_ | (and I second hackbod, the focus code is definitely not bug free but much more complicated and subtle than it seems :)) |
| 20:28.39 | romainguy_ | slaps touch mode |
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| 20:28.53 | romainguy_ | is still waiting for the first ListView patches :p |
| 20:29.10 | Disconnect | doh. maybe its time to go home - just carefully set a new server to the same ip as the server i set up immediately before.... |
| 20:29.11 | Cedric2 | romainguy, stop being lazy and expecting others to do your job for you! |
| 20:29.24 | romainguy_ | Cedric2: you say that just because your stuff is not open sourced :) |
| 20:29.35 | zhobbs | romainguy_: do you think a ListView.invalidateChild(int position) makes sense? |
| 20:30.08 | romainguy_ | depends what you mean by invalidate |
| 20:30.25 | romainguy_ | (actually no, whatever you mean by invalidate, I don't think it makes sense :) |
| 20:30.29 | zhobbs | hehe |
| 20:30.41 | hackbod | if a child changes, it should call invalidate() on itself |
| 20:31.11 | romainguy_ | if by invalidate you mean call adapter.getView() again, then definitely no |
| 20:31.24 | zhobbs | hmm, well I have logic in getView() that I would rather not replicate into my Activity |
| 20:31.40 | romainguy_ | then don't |
| 20:31.52 | romainguy_ | just send a notifyDataSetChange |
| 20:32.01 | romainguy_ | or call ListView.invalidateViews() |
| 20:33.00 | emillar | k |
| 20:33.02 | mowgli | Launching the emulator with -system and -kernel options works only from the shell where we built the code |
| 20:33.28 | mowgli | on any other shell the emulator skin is missing |
| 20:33.39 | mowgli | anyone seen this? |
| 20:34.00 | zhobbs | invalidateViews() slows me down too much....guess I'm just going to getChildAt() and then edit this view as necessary |
| 20:34.06 | igorv | anyone has good experience running gdbserver to debug on the emulator? |
| 20:34.37 | fadden | igorv: in the history of the world, nobody has had a good experience running gdbserver. |
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| 20:35.00 | igorv | haha, unfortunately, this is the only way to debug native code |
| 20:35.35 | fadden | igorv: it does work, mostly; I'm not sure if you have all the pieces |
| 20:35.51 | igorv | fadden: we can't seem to make gdb stop at any of the breakpoints, even if we set it on the first line of main() |
| 20:36.18 | igorv | fadden: what pieces do we need besides pushing gdbserver to the emulator? |
| 20:36.38 | cavaughan | BTW, the instructions say to use JDK5.0 update 12 or higher. Can I use JDK 6.0? |
| 20:36.39 | fadden | You need to have the host side set up, but it sounds like you may have that. |
| 20:37.07 | fadden | In particular, you need it to see the build tree shared libs that have the symbols. |
| 20:37.11 | romainguy_ | cavaughan: yes you can |
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| 20:37.28 | romainguy_ | cavaughan: just don't use the @Override annotation on interfaces methods if you plan to send patches |
| 20:37.45 | fadden | igorv: I've chiefly used it when things break, which is at times a bit dodgy of itself |
| 20:37.57 | fadden | Breakpoints might be stretching the bounds. :-) |
| 20:38.14 | fadden | s/of itself/in and of itself/ |
| 20:41.21 | xorl | hmmm there a good place to just get like PSD's or something of the android logo, the text, not the android itself? |
| 20:41.25 | xorl | or both |
| 20:42.14 | igorv | on the terminal window that runs gdbserver, we get the message that process is created and then on the other terminal window where we run gdb, we get the message "remote debugging using local host" so I think the host side is set up |
| 20:42.28 | xorl | man i've called every t-mobile store within 60 miles of here |
| 20:42.32 | xorl | they are ALL sold out of the G1 |
| 20:42.34 | pawalls | It would have been neat to have a graph of the number of users in #android over the past year or so :-) |
| 20:42.58 | pawalls | Unless I'm mistaken, there are about 40 more people in here now than there were a few hours before the source code announcement. |
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| 20:43.12 | xorl | heh |
| 20:43.14 | wastrel | i could go through my logs |
| 20:43.16 | xorl | pawalls: it will build up fruther |
| 20:43.17 | poetic_folly|G5 | xori - i got 3 earlier, and they had 20 left |
| 20:43.28 | xorl | poetic_folly|G5: Here in San Diego they were *gone* |
| 20:43.33 | xorl | I called all the stores. |
| 20:43.47 | wastrel | noooooooooo web service :p |
| 20:43.58 | poetic_folly|G5 | lame... I'm in Tampa. I was surprised. meant to get up early, THAT didn't happen. Strolled in at 1:30Pm and picked up 3 |
| 20:44.00 | jt436 | xorl: I can give you a demo in SD if you want one |
| 20:44.02 | wastrel | googlephone is useless! :] |
| 20:44.17 | tmccrary | you can't get them in michigan, I had to order one |
| 20:44.17 | cavaughan | they're still available here in Bellevue, WA |
| 20:44.22 | igorv | faden: when we do nm on the executable it has the symbol for main resolved and I assume that libc is on the emulator |
| 20:44.32 | wastrel | i absolutely can't show this off to my co-workers until web works... fortunately it's almost 5:00 |
| 20:44.35 | tmccrary | supposedly it will be here tomorrow though |
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| 20:44.43 | romainguy_ | wastrel: call T-Mobile customer support :) |
| 20:44.46 | tmccrary | wastrel: wifi? |
| 20:45.05 | poetic_folly|G5 | welcome zodttd |
| 20:45.08 | uxley | So... I dont want to ask the wrong questions here... I was hoping to be able to ssh from my new G1 phone, but ConnectBot doesnt work for me.. is there a way to get to a shell prompt yet, so I can just install openssl? :) |
| 20:45.10 | tmccrary | I assume you can access web features through wifi right? |
| 20:45.11 | zodttd | Hi pf! :) |
| 20:45.12 | tmccrary | RIGHT? |
| 20:45.20 | wastrel | tmccrary: 3g |
| 20:45.27 | igorv | anyone else on gdbserver help? |
| 20:45.29 | poetic_folly|G5 | uxley: was wondering same thing, just joining the scene here |
| 20:45.33 | wastrel | no wifi here. |
| 20:45.54 | wastrel | well i might be able to find an open AP |
| 20:46.11 | uxley | poetic: Yeah, I was hoping I would be able to login to my servers from day one :) |
| 20:46.15 | pawalls | uxley, ConnectBot is flaky, but it does work if you get around the weird UI behavior. |
| 20:46.36 | uxley | pawalls: I couldn't get it to work on the G1, is that what you have? |
| 20:46.45 | pawalls | uxley, Yes. |
| 20:46.49 | uxley | weird... |
| 20:47.00 | uxley | did you compile it, or use the package? |
| 20:47.10 | jt436 | in the market, can you see another level besides >10,000 downloads? |
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| 20:47.30 | pawalls | uxley, Used the apk from their site. |
| 20:47.40 | uxley | rats, I tried that |
| 20:47.50 | uxley | it loads but wont connect and gives me a crash error |
| 20:47.50 | pawalls | uxley, What problem are you having? |
| 20:48.05 | uxley | I cant generate public keys either |
| 20:48.08 | pawalls | uxley, From initial install, I run it. click menu > add host |
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| 20:48.43 | uxley | pawalls: hang on a sec, I'm trying again to give u the error |
| 20:48.49 | pawalls | uxley, Enter user/host data.. use the scroll wheel to go to bottom right button |
| 20:49.00 | uxley | pawalls: I figured that out |
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| 20:49.18 | tomgibara | romainguy_: I won't labour it here, but I'm pretty sure it's a bug that I'll file later: ViewRoot calls View.focusSearch() which in turn calls ViewGroup.focusSearch() which specifies itself as the root for FocusFinder.findNextFocus() |
| 20:49.35 | uxley | pawalls: it gives me: the application Connectbot (process org.theb.ssh) has stopped unexpectedly. Please try again |
| 20:49.39 | pawalls | uxley, Then use the touch screen to select the newly created item.. (pawalls@xxx.xxx) |
| 20:49.47 | amjad | ok why is not by application taking latitude and longitude coordinates when i pass manually through ddms. i am using locationmanager.getLastKnownlocation( as get Currentlocation is depreciated in current version) |
| 20:49.51 | pawalls | uxley, Then type the password and *press the ok button with your finger* |
| 20:49.56 | pawalls | If you use the scroll wheel, it breaks. |
| 20:50.02 | Death_Syn | uxley: I don't have the option to generate keys with connectbot on G1 |
| 20:50.07 | Death_Syn | manage keys is greyed out |
| 20:50.12 | uxley | it never gives me a password prompt |
| 20:50.14 | romainguy_ | tomgibara: which is fine |
| 20:50.22 | romainguy_ | tomgibara: because in this case the view group is the top level view anyway |
| 20:50.27 | pawalls | uxley, Ah.. You could open it up w/ the eclipse plugin? :-) |
| 20:50.33 | pawalls | To see the full backtrace. |
| 20:50.42 | pawalls | or use logcat |
| 20:50.59 | jmcw | is is possiable to change the color of toast messages? |
| 20:51.18 | uxley | well, I'm not a dev so that stuff is kinda over my head. I'm wanting to become a developer, but I was hoping I could first ssh into my boxes :D then be able to have the time to develop |
| 20:51.46 | Death_Syn | we need an android user channel, methinks |
| 20:51.50 | pawalls | chuckles. |
| 20:52.03 | pawalls | uxley, Well.. it's a bug in connectbot, hopefully now that they can get real devices they will work out the kinks. |
| 20:52.19 | Death_Syn | i'm working to set up a dev environment at home this evening |
| 20:52.20 | poetic_folly|G5 | can we SSH TO the G1? |
| 20:52.20 | uxley | indeed |
| 20:52.29 | Death_Syn | but my java-fu is tiny |
| 20:52.33 | poetic_folly|G5 | how so? |
| 20:52.37 | Death_Syn | compared to my ruby-fu, at least |
| 20:52.39 | amjad | i second Death_Syn |
| 20:52.40 | unix_lappy | Death_Syn: it's dead easy. |
| 20:52.50 | uxley | Is there any such way to get to the 'terminal' on this phone? so I could just install openssl? :D |
| 20:52.59 | unix_lappy | though, I don't have a G1 to test out a full "dev environment" |
| 20:53.08 | Death_Syn | i got my G1 today, I love it so far |
| 20:53.12 | tomgibara | romainguy: No see View.focusSearch(int direction) it calls mParent.focusSearch(this, direction) making its parent ViewGroup the root of the focus search. |
| 20:53.17 | Death_Syn | connectbot lets me get to my boxes that aren't key-only |
| 20:53.32 | poetic_folly|G5 | uxley: that's what i'm wondering. I want to ssh to the G1. and SFTP. |
| 20:53.33 | Death_Syn | but as soon as I can support keys, it'll be greatness |
| 20:53.38 | nemik | so anyone got a custom kernel running on their G1? is it possible? |
| 20:53.53 | benley | why would you need a custom kernel already? |
| 20:54.03 | nemik | it's open, no? |
| 20:54.06 | unix_lappy | nemik: possible, maybe. easy, no. |
| 20:54.07 | tomgibara | romainguy_: Anyway irrespective of that, I'll just file it, it's paring down a test case that will take time - it's a complex layout. |
| 20:54.35 | Death_Syn | i also want to update androidchat to work on a modern box |
| 20:54.42 | nemik | unix_lappy: so booting debian ARM or something from SD card, also out? |
| 20:55.33 | unix_lappy | nemik: you wouldnt have a functional GSM stack, or any drivers to do anything useful. |
| 20:55.42 | benley | nemik: it's again unclear why on earth that would be useful |
| 20:56.06 | nemik | unix_lappy: so all that is still binary? or not even released? |
| 20:56.08 | Death_Syn | i wouldn't mind having an sshd running on my phone to play with |
| 20:56.15 | Death_Syn | but its not important to me yet |
| 20:56.22 | languish | hugs Death_Syn |
| 20:56.32 | pawalls | poetic_folly|G5, Generally speaking.. when you're near a computer, you probably have a USB cable handy so you can just plug it in and use it as a USB mass storage device ;-) |
| 20:56.33 | Death_Syn | i fear hitting that 5GB limit |
| 20:56.37 | troyeb | any ideas for this build error: Java: clearsilver (out/host/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/clearsilver_intermediates/classes) |
| 20:56.37 | troyeb | Unrecognized option : 9999999 |
| 20:56.44 | Death_Syn | thanks languish |
| 20:57.00 | languish | it's for doing AndroidChat |
| 20:57.02 | poetic_folly|G5 | pawalls, yah, that works too. I just am used to command line. :D |
| 20:57.04 | languish | :) |
| 20:58.01 | massiveRobot | anyone have a pointer to how you start the emulator once you've built android? |
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| 20:58.17 | massiveRobot | I've built it on my mac, but I'm at a slight loss on how to launch it now. |
| 20:58.28 | Cedric2 | `find . -name emulator` |
| 20:59.15 | Death_Syn | haha, cool |
| 20:59.33 | pawalls | poetic_folly|G5, ./adb push ? :-P |
| 20:59.46 | massiveRobot | I tried that :) |
| 21:00.59 | soma- | jruby on dalvik.. will it happen? |
| 21:01.05 | poetic_folly|G5 | i hadn't tried it yet... |
| 21:01.11 | romainguy_ | tomgibara: yes, but that bubbles up to the root |
| 21:01.15 | massiveRobot | dalvik/dx/src/com/android/dx/cf/code/Simulator.java won't work |
| 21:01.21 | donomo | soma-: its being experimented with |
| 21:01.22 | romainguy_ | tomgibara: each parent calls focusSearch on its parent, until you reach the top level parent |
| 21:01.40 | soma- | cool |
| 21:01.53 | cliff | http://review.source.android.com/r/88d6d4444d22 |
| 21:01.54 | romainguy_ | tomgibara: then it checks for user set "next focus views" set on the currently focused view |
| 21:02.01 | romainguy_ | tomgibara: if there is one, it uses it |
| 21:02.12 | cliff | is there anything else i need to submit? |
| 21:02.17 | cliff | or is it now in the system |
| 21:03.14 | donomo | soma-: http://markmail.org/search/?q=android+list%3Aorg.codehaus.jruby.user |
| 21:05.04 | soma- | ah.. thanks |
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| 21:07.34 | tomgibara | romainguy_: I demure to your expertise in this, I'll try to get a clean test case so that you diagnose my problem. |
| 21:08.23 | umdk1d3 | roooofl /me watches monkey go crazy |
| 21:08.43 | waldo_ | is away: auto-away |
| 21:08.48 | unix_lappy | anyone know of installable issue tracking software powered by git? |
| 21:13.15 | umdk1d3 | is there a good way of reading info from my manifest programatically at runtime? |
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| 21:14.55 | romainguy_ | umdk1d3: what do you need to read? |
| 21:15.07 | umdk1d3 | the app name and versionCode/versionNumber |
| 21:15.09 | umdk1d3 | if possible |
| 21:15.22 | umdk1d3 | *versionName rather |
| 21:15.27 | BruteFrce | has anyone go the entire os working on anything besides the dream yrt? |
| 21:15.40 | BruteFrce | yet even |
| 21:15.46 | romainguy_ | umdk1d3: you probably can through teh Application object |
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| 21:16.00 | romainguy_ | ok, not with Application |
| 21:16.04 | romainguy_ | I don't know then, ask hackbod :) |
| 21:16.08 | Goosey | Compare Everywhere or ShopSavvy? Any opinions? |
| 21:16.10 | umdk1d3 | hmm yea version is up in <manifest> |
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| 21:16.11 | languish | BruteFrce define "the entire OS" since some components require carrier support |
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| 21:16.28 | languish | err |
| 21:17.24 | harrdawg | umdk1d3: ask tomgibara. His veecheck library does it. |
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| 21:17.39 | tmccrary | Can you enable routing like usual on the G1? |
| 21:17.40 | umdk1d3 | ooh veecheck sounds interesting |
| 21:17.50 | tmccrary | like cat 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4 or whatever? |
| 21:17.55 | harrdawg | Yeah it's real cool. |
| 21:18.17 | harrdawg | But he uses veecheck to test your app verision in the manifest file. |
| 21:18.31 | harrdawg | So, if anyone would know how to do it, I'm guess he would. |
| 21:18.47 | harrdawg | check* (not test) |
| 21:19.01 | tomgibara | Talking about veecheck? |
| 21:19.10 | harrdawg | Yep. |
| 21:19.34 | umdk1d3 | tomgibara: awesome |
| 21:19.38 | massiveRobot | ah ok, you start android on the mac like this: $ out/host/darwin-x86/bin/emulator -system out/target/product/generic -kernel prebuilt/android-arm/kernel/kernel-qemu |
| 21:19.45 | umdk1d3 | i was about to write up some code to do exactly that |
| 21:19.51 | harrdawg | umdk1d3 is trying to access versionName and versionCode information from the manifest file programatically. |
| 21:19.57 | tomgibara | I'm planning improvements to that soon |
| 21:20.32 | umdk1d3 | tomgibara: yea i wrote something similar, but not to the extent you have |
| 21:20.57 | tomgibara | umdk1d3: Just take a look at the source, it should be clear how to access the version info. |
| 21:21.04 | donomo | unix_lappy: trac and redmine |
| 21:21.23 | umdk1d3 | tomgibara: one thing that i did differently was the intent |
| 21:21.40 | umdk1d3 | i assumed a prefix of market:// URI so that the xml couldnt do very malicious things |
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| 21:22.23 | tomgibara | umdk1d3: Yes I explicitly state in the documentation: You filter the intent for that reason |
| 21:22.32 | tomgibara | *You must filter |
| 21:23.28 | umdk1d3 | also, one other thought |
| 21:23.40 | umdk1d3 | there are a /lot/ of background services running on apps |
| 21:23.48 | umdk1d3 | *just in general |
| 21:24.08 | waldo_ | is back (gone 00:15:25) |
| 21:24.26 | umdk1d3 | it might be distracting to notify the user about an update when they dont care |
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| 21:24.31 | umdk1d3 | maybe only on app launch |
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| 21:25.40 | summatusmentis | no paid apps until next year? |
| 21:26.49 | unix_lappy | summatusmentis: looks that way, not through the android marketplace, anyway. |
| 21:29.05 | summatusmentis | unix_lappy: hmm |
| 21:30.06 | languish | Market is updated |
| 21:30.07 | yakischloba | fuck |
| 21:30.09 | tomgibara | umdk1d3: I plan to rework veecheck as a service that apps can share |
| 21:30.11 | languish | they have pac-man! |
| 21:30.21 | yakischloba | the downtown store says they only have 40 left and they are going fast. i need to haul! |
| 21:31.01 | vol | pac-man? |
| 21:31.03 | vol | good lord |
| 21:31.08 | vol | goes to the marketplace |
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| 21:32.17 | jt436 | I get download declined when attempting to grab pac-man |
| 21:33.00 | plusminus_ | G1-Accelerometer game video: http://www.anddev.org/viewtopic.php?p=12009#12009 |
| 21:33.17 | languish | jt436 you using a dev device not retail? |
| 21:33.22 | illuminum | hey anyone know what i need to do to my kernel/alsa to use this mini-usb earpiece that came with the g1 on my compooper |
| 21:33.31 | languish | jt436 maybe it needs to get that update.. |
| 21:34.22 | jt436 | ha nice one plusminus ;p |
| 21:34.40 | languish | actually |
| 21:34.42 | languish | ouch |
| 21:34.57 | jt436 | ? |
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| 21:35.08 | waldo_ | is away: auto-away |
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| 21:35.33 | languish | I just checked my download of pac-man, wich is listed as "free" and it says Download declined : the download of pac-man by namco was declined because you haven't purchased it |
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| 21:35.49 | plusminus_ | damn I still cannot download apps from the market :( |
| 21:36.14 | languish | tmo/google should be glad they didn't put much behind advertising |
| 21:36.15 | jt436 | languish: ok so its not just me |
| 21:36.16 | unix_lappy | plusminus_: nice. now you just need some physics :-) |
| 21:36.23 | languish | jt436 nope, not just you |
| 21:36.24 | plusminus_ | unix_lappy: its not my game |
| 21:36.33 | plusminus_ | its in apps-for-android |
| 21:36.51 | plusminus_ | anyone got problems with the market too ? |
| 21:36.57 | illuminum | they don't really need to, opensource will drive it's success |
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| 21:37.26 | morrildl | languish: okay, looking into it |
| 21:37.31 | morrildl | languish: thanks for reporting it |
| 21:37.38 | t_ubuntu | hi. Can Android Open Source be built on Ubuntu 64bit environment? I got some strange error and pumped out. |
| 21:37.47 | rob--- | plusminus_: the same one from anddev? |
| 21:37.56 | plusminus_ | me? yes |
| 21:38.06 | rob--- | may i pm you about a thread i made? |
| 21:38.26 | plusminus_ | you can but don't expect to much within the next hours :D ... G1 !!! |
| 21:38.27 | jasta | hmm, so... |
| 21:38.31 | rob--- | lol |
| 21:39.06 | jasta | has anyone else noticed that when the radio switches from 3G to EDGE or vice versa, it seems to stall active downloads but does not seem to simply abort them? |
| 21:39.37 | jasta | i'm not quite sure how my app should deal with this condition. fast failing timeouts and retries seems pretty inefficient |
| 21:40.17 | jasta | i wonder how/if google apps deal with this. i noticed the browser seems to have some sophistication for this |
| 21:40.41 | vol | t_ubuntu: good luck. |
| 21:41.49 | bricode | So, I'm getting the error: [FAILED] bionic/ freerunner-patches (Unauthorized user. Visit http://review.source.android.com/hello to sign up.) |
| 21:42.23 | bricode | I sign in no problem on the review.source.android.com site. How do I check what credentials are being sent by either repo or git? |
| 21:42.57 | cliff | bricode: dunno -- did you go through the signup process on the review site or just login? |
| 21:43.03 | cliff | i had to go through a process |
| 21:43.07 | jbailey | bricode: That's for an upload? |
| 21:43.07 | bricode | Both. |
| 21:43.12 | bricode | jbailey: Yep. |
| 21:43.28 | cliff | it uses whatever email address you entered in repo |
| 21:43.30 | cliff | originally |
| 21:43.33 | cliff | when you do the repo init |
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| 21:43.42 | t_ubuntu | vol: is that a NO? |
| 21:43.43 | cliff | and then the password is your google login password for that emaila ddress |
| 21:43.45 | Penguin2 | All my market downloads are... 'starting.............' |
| 21:43.46 | jbailey | bricode: Your CLA may not have been processed yet. |
| 21:43.47 | Penguin2 | wtf |
| 21:43.56 | waldo_ | is back (gone 00:08:48) |
| 21:43.59 | vol | t_ubuntu: I haven't tried building it at all, but I suspect you'll hit.... "special" difficulties in a 64 bit env |
| 21:44.06 | bricode | jbailey: Right...I asked for that to be ignored for the moment. |
| 21:44.19 | unix_lappy | jasta: looks like they just pause after the edge->3g and visa versa is triggered. |
| 21:44.20 | jbailey | bricode: We can't accept the upload without a CLA. |
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| 21:44.37 | bricode | jbailey: Oh, I suppose I should get that signed then. |
| 21:44.43 | jbailey | bricode: Yes'r. |
| 21:44.46 | jasta | unix_lappy: right, so what are we supposed to do to deal with this case? i odn't get it. |
| 21:44.53 | Dougie187 | theres a new ubiquity out. |
| 21:44.55 | t_ubuntu | vol: seem to me that it does not like the 64bit version of libstdc++ |
| 21:45.05 | jasta | i guess i'll just test and figure it out for myself now that i have a phone |
| 21:45.10 | jasta | i'll build a downloader test app |
| 21:45.18 | unix_lappy | jasta: dont know, I just looked at the code for the browser app. |
| 21:45.18 | jbailey | t_ubuntu, vol: Just install the 32bit cross env in Ubuntu and you should be fine. |
| 21:45.29 | vol | t_ubuntu: there are other libc issues iirc |
| 21:46.25 | unix_lappy | I have no idea how android lets apps know about system level events yet. |
| 21:46.25 | vol | let someone else talk to you :P |
| 21:46.25 | jasta | unix_lappy: oh, what do you mean they pause then? |
| 21:46.32 | t_ubuntu | jbailey: thanks. will give it a try |
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| 21:47.16 | languish | *sigh* wtf does the it keep picking up the tower a block and a half away, instead of the tower half a block away |
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| 21:47.22 | bricode | jbailey: Hey, once I chose "I'll do it later" for the CLA, I can't seem to go back and change it. |
| 21:47.27 | languish | now I understand why my signal's so wonky |
| 21:47.40 | jbailey | bricode: Y'mean, you decide to do it later, and we decide when? =) |
| 21:47.40 | languish | idiotic overlapping tmo towers |
| 21:47.50 | rob--- | any ideas why sometimes my handler doesn't do the action when called with handler.sendEmptyMessage(); ? |
| 21:48.17 | bricode | jbailey: So now it's in Google's hands and I can't go back and change it to "individual"? |
| 21:49.01 | vol | the tower half a block away could be full |
| 21:49.02 | jbailey | bricode: Eh, of course not. =) |
| 21:49.14 | jbailey | http://r.android.com/settings/welcome?dest=/ should be what you want. |
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| 21:50.07 | cliff | do i need to do anything to get my code reviewed? |
| 21:50.12 | cliff | or does it just happen |
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| 21:50.27 | jeld | hmm PDF files in Google Docs get a 404 when accessed from G1 |
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| 21:50.49 | jeld | and Google Docs are supposed to deal with PDFs at the server level |
| 21:50.54 | jeld | disappointing |
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| 21:51.31 | jbailey | jeld: Please make sure to file a bug. |
| 21:52.23 | jeld | jbailey, where android, t-mobile or google docs? |
| 21:52.35 | jbailey | I'd say android, probably. |
| 21:52.40 | bricode | Yay. First contribution submitted. |
| 21:52.59 | Terdhex | Has anybody run the IM that comes as part of the source code? |
| 21:53.04 | jbailey | jeld: It's unlikely to be a t-mo problem unless you can reproduce it the cell network and not wifi |
| 21:53.19 | jbailey | For everything else, I'd expect that a submission into the bug tracking system should pretty much get handled. |
| 21:54.06 | bricode | Slick little submission system. |
| 21:54.31 | jeld | jbailey, get the same thing in the emulator |
| 21:55.00 | mo0620 | any eta when the OTA update will start rolling in |
| 21:55.01 | jbailey | bricode: Glad you like it. |
| 21:55.12 | jbailey | jeld: Right, so t-mo's not blocking you. Officially Google's problem =) |
| 21:58.13 | jeld | jbailey, it seems to be a known problem with docs |
| 22:00.21 | rob--- | :| |
| 22:00.33 | rob--- | have people already got the G1? :o |
| 22:00.46 | poetic_folly|G5 | i got a few |
| 22:00.56 | waldo_ | is away: auto-away |
| 22:00.59 | rob--- | a few? |
| 22:01.02 | poetic_folly|G5 | yah |
| 22:01.02 | poetic_folly|G5 | lol |
| 22:01.04 | rob--- | ... |
| 22:01.06 | Fazzle | huh |
| 22:01.06 | rob--- | cries |
| 22:01.10 | rob--- | do want |
| 22:01.13 | poetic_folly|G5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.36 | rob--- | how is it so far? |
| 22:01.40 | rob--- | installed any good apps? |
| 22:02.08 | Terdhex | Has anybody run the IM app. that comes as part of the source code? |
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| 22:02.55 | t_ubuntu | jbailey: you happen to know the package name for 32bit cross build? |
| 22:03.07 | ralpht | is there an android simulator included in the sources? i found a sim product target, but it seemed to be emitting ARM code before it failed to link libmedia... |
| 22:03.08 | poetic_folly|G5 | so far i love it ... hadn't messed with it much |
| 22:03.32 | waldo_ | is back (gone 00:02:36) |
| 22:03.35 | rob--- | perhaps one of you could take pity on me and help me sort this coding problem out? :D |
| 22:04.05 | rob--- | handler misses some messages, but i can see them in logcat |
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| 22:05.15 | rob--- | http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/22/t-mobile-g1-software-update-to-be-pushed-out-tomorrow/ |
| 22:05.35 | Laz | when will apps be saved to the sd card? |
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| 22:10.06 | androoid | Are there any current tutorials on doing http post? |
| 22:10.28 | jasta | androoid: android includes HttpClient4, so just look at examples for that |
| 22:11.11 | androoid | my nickname is so original |
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| 22:13.06 | BruteFrce | is there an omap850 patch for the android kernel anywhere? |
| 22:13.36 | BruteFrce | i have a working kernel on my phone i just want to try the userspace |
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| 22:16.07 | ralpht | BruteFrce: you probably have to extract the android patch by taking the difference between the current generic kernel and 2.6.25. |
| 22:16.48 | illuminum | please correct me if i'm wrong or even if i'm right--the current browser on android does not have built in flash support |
| 22:17.35 | jasta | it does not. |
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| 22:17.54 | jasta | illuminum: this is truly at Adobe's discretion. no one else can provide the support... |
| 22:18.13 | f00f- | so jasta, enjoying your G1? |
| 22:18.18 | jasta | yes, quite. |
| 22:18.25 | jasta | i'm disappointed with T-Mobile's network tho |
| 22:18.32 | jasta | 3G coverage is very spotty, and EDGE performance is _bad_ |
| 22:18.40 | KodeK | is the phone sim locked? |
| 22:18.45 | jasta | however, when i can get 3G, five works very well |
| 22:19.04 | KodeK | not that it matters, since i dont think you can use at&t's 3g network :/ |
| 22:19.05 | jasta | but on EDGE, hardly at all. i'm currently trying to optimize a few things (transcoding to a lower quality) to make this work better on EDGE |
| 22:19.18 | jasta | KodeK: it sure is. and then some. but no, you cannot use at&t's 3g network. |
| 22:19.29 | KodeK | it sure is..locked? |
| 22:19.48 | jasta | f00f-: one thing i'm trying to investigate is that there is a seemingly stupid failure that's happening when the phone switches between EDGE and 3G frequently |
| 22:19.59 | xorl | my edge here in san diego is faster than AT&T heh. |
| 22:19.59 | jasta | the radio just quits and downloads stall, even though if you start a new download it will work |
| 22:20.03 | jasta | trying to guard five against this case |
| 22:20.10 | illuminum | yeah i know jasta |
| 22:20.18 | jasta | KodeK: yes, locked |
| 22:20.20 | illuminum | :-/ |
| 22:20.32 | illuminum | well i guess somebody can |
| 22:20.34 | illuminum | libflash |
| 22:20.42 | fadden | jasta: stall temporarily or stall forever (or as long as your patience lasts)? |
| 22:20.46 | jasta | i'm hoping someone can shed some light on exactly how the network stack behaves when switching |
| 22:20.48 | illuminum | but it's not going to get installed by default evar |
| 22:21.03 | jasta | fadden: as last as httpclient's default patience lasts... |
| 22:21.06 | illuminum | which sucks, means i have to recode some web apps if i want them to work on android phones |
| 22:21.23 | jasta | illuminum: as you should anyway, flash is not suitable for mobile consumption. too heavy. |
| 22:21.25 | trashguy | so like |
| 22:21.31 | illuminum | aye |
| 22:21.33 | KodeK | i managed to compile the source code w/ the kernel, but i cant get it to work with my kaiser. im hoping someone else figures it out soon :P |
| 22:21.34 | jasta | as long as* |
| 22:21.34 | trashguy | what video encoding is youtube? |
| 22:21.45 | illuminum | its flash, flv |
| 22:21.57 | illuminum | i supposed there is an flv codec on the android platform |
| 22:22.02 | trashguy | yar |
| 22:22.16 | jasta | fadden: my initial thought was to simply detect a choked download and restart it, but there must be something more clever that can be done with Android |
| 22:22.38 | jasta | but the radio is such a mystery it's hard to tell how it would be best to utilize it |
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| 22:25.32 | BruteFrce | ralpht im lost |
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| 22:25.55 | umdk1d3 | is using att edge network, and it sucks here, falling back to gprs half the time |
| 22:26.32 | BruteFrce | same with tmob where i am |
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| 22:27.00 | BruteFrce | cant wait to get back to portland and 3g |
| 22:28.01 | ralpht | BruteFrce: http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP#Kernel |
| 22:28.07 | ralpht | BruteFrce: see patch extraction |
| 22:28.27 | ralpht | BruteFrce: most of that page is out of date, but the patch extraction is still correct. |
| 22:30.32 | waldo_ | is away: auto-away |
| 22:31.19 | BruteFrce | i wish a patch already existed |
| 22:31.55 | BruteFrce | i might as well patch android kernel to work with my device, probably easier |
| 22:32.10 | ralpht | yeah, extraction is kind of a pain. |
| 22:32.20 | ralpht | what device are you targetting? |
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| 22:33.36 | BruteFrce | htc excalibur |
| 22:33.59 | BruteFrce | i have been patching the linwizard kernel to work with it |
| 22:34.05 | ralpht | cool |
| 22:34.40 | BruteFrce | i wonder if it would just work with my kernel and the android.bin for my userspace |
| 22:34.43 | ralpht | i really want to get android running on my n800. it looks like there's an opensource wifi driver for it that works on recent 2.6 kernels now.. |
| 22:34.46 | ralpht | no |
| 22:35.00 | ralpht | you need binder and ashmem (and probably the logging bits) at least for it to boot |
| 22:35.03 | BruteFrce | what would be mising from my kernel? |
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| 22:37.15 | BruteFrce | this damn client sucks |
| 22:37.20 | BruteFrce | what did ya say |
| 22:37.30 | ralpht | you need binder and ashmem (and probably the logging bits) at least for it to boot |
| 22:38.28 | ralpht | this guy got the binary sdk releases running on a zaurus pretty well: http://androidzaurus.seesaa.net/ |
| 22:39.06 | jasta | hmm, waht does INSTALL_FAILED_UPDATE_INCOMPATIBLE mean when using adb install? |
| 22:39.26 | ralpht | this guy got everything working on an htc vogue: http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/ |
| 22:39.36 | ralpht | including telephony! |
| 22:39.42 | jasta | i was trying to do adb install -r earlier to deploy a new version of my package and it failed with INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_INCONSISTENT_CERTIFICATES |
| 22:39.50 | jasta | then uninstalling it and installing again got the first error i pasted |
| 22:39.56 | BruteFrce | is vogue omap850? |
| 22:40.57 | ralpht | no |
| 22:41.00 | ralpht | qualcomm |
| 22:41.22 | ralpht | msm7k, like the g1 |
| 22:41.44 | BruteFrce | oh |
| 22:41.57 | jasta | oh boy, looking at the forum the solution to this issue is "Wipe the emulator" |
| 22:41.58 | ralpht | i've seen reports of it running on omap1, though |
| 22:41.59 | jasta | panics |
| 22:42.47 | BruteFrce | ill just wait till someone with omap850 does all that work and continue getting my lernel working with all my ardware |
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| 22:42.58 | BruteFrce | kernel |
| 22:43.04 | BruteFrce | hardware |
| 22:43.19 | BruteFrce | im on a phone btw, sorry for typos |
| 22:44.01 | KodeK | does anyone here own a kaiser? |
| 22:44.22 | KodeK | im on my third RMAd phone, and they all have issues with the "R" key. |
| 22:44.25 | BruteFrce | i have x working just cant get arrows working no matter what i map them to |
| 22:46.44 | Miek | KodeK: i've got one |
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| 22:49.09 | BruteFrce | are there any google devs here? |
| 22:49.40 | VickiWong | have there been any decent ports as of yet? |
| 22:49.52 | VickiWong | googling shows a lot of outdated 'it kinda works' ports |
| 22:49.57 | VickiWong | pre-code release |
| 22:50.04 | jasta | hmm. this really sucks. |
| 22:50.08 | jasta | i can't run my app any more hehe |
| 22:50.22 | fadden | jasta: what does "adb uninstall" do? |
| 22:50.23 | duey | :( |
| 22:50.40 | wastrel | ... sigh. i forgot my in-laws are visiting tonight :pppppp |
| 22:50.59 | wastrel | busy @ work, busy @ home. maybe i'll be able to play tomorrow... :] |
| 22:51.02 | wastrel | gotta go entertain |
| 22:51.07 | jasta | fadden: fails now, because i already uninstalled it |
| 22:51.10 | languish | o/ |
| 22:51.27 | umdk1d3 | jasta: did you look in settings -> applications -> manage? |
| 22:51.36 | umdk1d3 | i had an issue awhile back with something not uninstalling |
| 22:51.52 | umdk1d3 | i think i might have adb shell'ed into the device to delete a specific file |
| 22:52.05 | umdk1d3 | did logcat say anything package-manager related? |
| 22:52.13 | umdk1d3 | or is that were that error code is coming from? |
| 22:52.51 | jasta | the error code is coming from adb itself (it prints it) |
| 22:53.09 | jasta | adb logcat just reiterates what the docs say, the signature doesnt match, so it wont install |
| 22:53.15 | umdk1d3 | hmm |
| 22:53.26 | umdk1d3 | time for device reset! ^.^ |
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| 22:54.14 | jasta | the package doesnt show up in the apps list |
| 22:54.28 | stadlero | did you try "adb shell list packages" |
| 22:54.29 | jasta | seriously, is this gonna be the next Windows? what the hell, im not gonna wipe it and redo all the shit i did today |
| 22:54.41 | jasta | stadlero: permission denied |
| 22:55.03 | fadden | jasta: how about "adb pull /data/system/packages.xml ." ? |
| 22:55.30 | jasta | it's in there. can i just edit and adb push? |
| 22:55.43 | fadden | If it's in there then the system doesn't believe it has been uninstalled. |
| 22:55.58 | fadden | Do you see it in "adb shell ls /data/app" ? |
| 22:56.14 | jasta | permission denied |
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| 22:56.41 | fadden | Mumble. |
| 22:56.43 | danfuzz | looks around |
| 22:57.02 | jasta | well, adb uninstall org.devtcg.five.music says merely Failure |
| 22:57.11 | jasta | adb logcat (during adb uninstall) says: |
| 22:57.12 | cliff | maybe rename your package? :P |
| 22:57.19 | bricode | BruteFrce: What kernel are you patching? |
| 22:57.33 | jasta | "Package named 'org.devtcg.five.music' doesn't exist" |
| 22:58.46 | jasta | fadden: would this be a good time to call T-Mobile and ask them kindly to unlock my phone? :) |
| 22:59.02 | fadden | jasta: good luck with that |
| 22:59.14 | fadden | I'm nudging people here who know more about this than I do. |
| 22:59.51 | fadden | Want to pastebin your packages.xml? |
| 23:00.02 | jasta | sure, hang on |
| 23:02.16 | jasta | http://pastebin.com/m7b855d5a |
| 23:02.24 | jasta | the package in question is org.devtcg.five.music |
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| 23:02.45 | Poohba | anyone using web2mail? i want to get my contacts from there to android |
| 23:02.53 | Poohba | contactsync doesn't seem to work |
| 23:02.56 | Rob-cs | jastaaaaaa |
| 23:02.58 | Rob-cs | whattup homey |
| 23:03.13 | jasta | fadden: oddly enough, org.devtcg.five is not affected, though part of my build deployment process. |
| 23:03.34 | yakischloba | arg. They neglected to mention that I wouldn't have any data service while I waited for my number to switch over from Verizon! |
| 23:04.58 | jasta | yakischloba: oh no, that's just t-mobile. you won't have any data service once its ported either :) |
| 23:05.38 | yakischloba | well fuck their stupid green map shows my apartment in the 5 bar service area and I'm at home now with 1 bar |
| 23:06.10 | jasta | mine too, and i dont get 3G at my house |
| 23:06.24 | yakischloba | im on the ground floor near a window too |
| 23:06.39 | yakischloba | kind of lame that I can't do _anything_ until my number is done |
| 23:06.49 | fadden | jasta: do you see any other failures in "adb logcat" related to org.devtcg.five.music? |
| 23:07.04 | jasta | in general, or during uninstall/install? |
| 23:07.04 | fadden | Just wondering if something failed earlier and the app got partially uninstalled. |
| 23:07.19 | jasta | let me look, i've tried so many times since then that i bet it rolled off the back |
| 23:07.35 | fadden | "adb logcat" is only the last 64K; anything at WARN or ERROR might be interesting |
| 23:07.51 | andyross | Cell phones suck. You can be standing right under a tower and not get service. Surely you've used a wireless phone before? Sometimes just rotating the phone body 90 degrees is enough to move from a good signal to a marginal one. |
| 23:08.24 | jasta | fadden: nope, nothing interesting. the top just shows my repeated attempts to uninstall/reinstall |
| 23:11.24 | umdk1d3 | andyross: thats signal polarization for ya ;) |
| 23:11.42 | jasta | fadden: so, i'm confused. why is this thing just unwilling to let me remove and install the package? |
| 23:12.16 | fadden | jasta: I don't know. I suspect it got into an inconsistent state where it's half there and half not, and it's checking the "not there" half first. |
| 23:12.31 | jasta | uhm, ok. |
| 23:12.52 | jasta | i guess my fun is over for the day then :\ |
| 23:12.57 | fadden | It'd be interesting to know if /data/app/org.devtcg.five.music.apk exists, but you probably need more permissions than "adb shell" has. |
| 23:13.07 | jasta | yup, sure do |
| 23:13.16 | plusminus_ | AndNav first test on the G1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFjUkxKXU6w |
| 23:13.16 | fadden | I'm also pretty sure you can't remove or alter packages.xml |
| 23:13.49 | danfuzz | (sorry if this has been suggested before) as a workaround, you could rename the app |
| 23:13.55 | jasta | fadden: yeah, its only readable for all |
| 23:13.57 | jasta | and im not system |
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| 23:15.09 | jasta | fadden: is there any way i can talk to someone at google that knows about this part of the code? |
| 23:15.41 | fadden | jasta: I'm doing some prodding. I filed a bug with all the info from the chat session and the packages.xml. |
| 23:16.34 | jasta | damn disappointing to happen on the very first day with my new toy... |
| 23:17.28 | fadden | Hopefully all you have is a vestigal entry in packages.xml. |
| 23:17.29 | cliff | you could just say 'thanks for looking into it' |
| 23:17.41 | markf | jasta: is it possible that you uninstalled the app with the option to keep the data around? |
| 23:17.47 | Chainfire | heya... is writting apps in c++ supported yet ? |
| 23:17.50 | jasta | markf: i did, yes. |
| 23:18.49 | markf | jasta: In that case, it will keep the signature information around so that n on else could accidentally install another app with the same package name and read your data. |
| 23:19.05 | markf | 'n on' -> 'no one' |
| 23:19.12 | jasta | markf: is this feature designed to prevent you from reinstalling? :) |
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| 23:19.44 | markf | jasta: No, it's to protect your data. |
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| 23:20.24 | jasta | markf: well, why can't i just falsely sign something and get it removed completely? |
| 23:20.37 | VickiWong | im officially addicted to Woot.com and im not even in the US >.< |
| 23:20.49 | jasta | oh, something to note, i didn't actually expect there was data here. /data/data/org.devtcg.five.music was probably empty |
| 23:20.55 | jasta | or at least, that package didnt ever write anything to it |
| 23:21.08 | xavd | jasta: you uninstalled because you changed your certificate? |
| 23:21.28 | jasta | xavd: no, i was just trying to redeploy a build. i'd done it a bunch of times already today |
| 23:21.43 | jasta | one particular time failed, claiming it was inconsistent. |
| 23:21.59 | jasta | so i tried adb uninstall -k package, which seemed to work, but adb install still fails (but with a different error) |
| 23:22.14 | xavd | jasta: did you work from 2 different computers using the debug key? |
| 23:22.25 | jasta | nope |
| 23:22.26 | xavd | I'm not sure why you'd get INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_INCONSISTENT_CERTIFICATES if you didn't hcange the key |
| 23:22.39 | jasta | i have done everything all day from my laptop, which has only been doing svn update && mvn install |
| 23:22.58 | markf | jasta: Can you reinstall the original app and then uninstall competely? |
| 23:23.07 | jasta | and this worked several times until just recently when it failed. |
| 23:23.12 | markf | jasta: That would be the cleanest way. |
| 23:23.25 | jasta | markf: i don't have the build that was last on there, because of course svn update changed the code and then the apk is different |
| 23:23.42 | jasta | but as far as the signature goes, there is no reason at all why that would change |
| 23:23.53 | jasta | i didn't realize adb uninstall -k was quite so dangerous :) |
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| 23:24.39 | markf | jasta: Is there still an entry for the package in the Application Manager? |
| 23:24.53 | jasta | no, there seems not to be. |
| 23:25.10 | jasta | although interestingly enough, when i first deployed these packages, the application manager didn't show org.devtcg.five.music, but it was installed and working |
| 23:25.22 | jasta | i didn't think anything of it at the time, tho, since everything was functioning as i expected |
| 23:25.47 | jasta | also, org.devtcg.five.music installs several launcher icons, so i figured at the time that maybe the application manager just picked up the name of a different launcher |
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| 23:31.13 | BruteFrce | is it possible to partition your rom and dal boot android wince? |
| 23:31.21 | BruteFrce | android/wince |
| 23:32.03 | BruteFrce | s/dal/dual |
| 23:36.53 | BruteFrce | tastes like happy! |
| 23:39.01 | trashguy | ... |
| 23:39.15 | yakischloba | jasta: did you just get a new #? |
| 23:39.25 | jasta | ported |
| 23:39.34 | yakischloba | how long did it take? |
| 23:39.47 | jasta | about an hour |
| 23:39.53 | yakischloba | ah k. |
| 23:40.19 | yakischloba | did your at&t phone stop working before the g1 started? |
| 23:40.47 | Dougie187 | yakischloba: did you get one today? |
| 23:41.00 | yakischloba | Dougie187: yeah i just got home from the store about 15 mins ago |
| 23:41.03 | jasta | yakischloba: dunno, i shut my at&t phone immediately |
| 23:41.05 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 23:41.07 | jasta | it makes it port faster, iirc |
| 23:41.09 | yakischloba | Dougie187: I got one of the last 10 or so |
| 23:41.14 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 23:41.15 | Dougie187 | awesome |
| 23:41.30 | unix_infidel | yakischloba: which city? |
| 23:41.56 | yakischloba | unix_infidel: seattle, downtown store. i assume probably one of the busiest stores around here |
| 23:41.56 | unix_infidel | ah, nvm. |
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| 23:42.11 | unix_infidel | yea, i'm thinking about heading over to the local store. |
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| 23:42.33 | yakischloba | Dougie187: but I'm waiting for my # to port so I can't do _anything_ with it yet! :( |
| 23:42.50 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 23:43.09 | yakischloba | the screen bit wiggles a little when it's slid out. thats kind of annoying |
| 23:43.18 | eggy | G1 looks sweet |
| 23:43.58 | yakischloba | jasta: did your g1 give you some kind of indication that it started working? |
| 23:44.26 | yakischloba | or did you just keep trying to login |
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| 23:45.06 | jasta | you know, if its been a long time since they ported it you need to call them |
| 23:45.15 | jasta | the customer support people routinely screw this up |
| 23:45.22 | yakischloba | it has barely been an hour |
| 23:45.34 | yakischloba | i was just curious |
| 23:45.45 | yakischloba | (yes, i'm also impatient to use it :) ) |
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| 23:46.42 | axi0m | Hello all. Got my G1, but A2DP isn't working. Anyone out there can unofficially give me an answer as to when this will be implemented? |
| 23:47.01 | unix_infidel | anyone here have a Touch Pro or Moto KN4? |
| 23:47.36 | jasta | axi0m: a2dp isn't supported by the software. a revision may add it at a later date. |
| 23:47.43 | Dougie187 | unix_infidel: is the Touch Pro even out yet? |
| 23:47.45 | jasta | (tahts the official answer, btw) |
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| 23:48.26 | axi0m | thx, jasta |
| 23:48.38 | tweakt | Is there a guide on debugging with eclipse ON the G1? Is this supported? I saw the debug mode option for the USB cable in the settings, not sure how this works... |
| 23:49.05 | xavd | tweakt: http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#developingondevicehardware |
| 23:49.13 | tweakt | xavd, thanks man! |
| 23:49.53 | axi0m | Is it possible to write a2dp functionality yourself, since android is OSS now? |
| 23:49.55 | tweakt | ahh very cool. now I can finally make my app work ;-) |
| 23:50.30 | jasta | axi0m: yes, that should be possible, but quite a lot of work |
| 23:51.05 | axi0m | If only the dollar was worth anything overseas, I'd contract someone to do it. ;) |
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| 23:52.08 | tweakt | axi0m, I understand some bluetooth was in, but they did not want to freeze the API yet, so it was pulled. You might be able to add it back in ;-) But it will just break later... |
| 23:52.22 | axi0m | Very impressed with the G1 so far. It does NOT feel like a 1.0 device. I am happy I returned my iPhone 3G. Kudos to HTC, T-Mobile, and Google. |
| 23:52.47 | danfuzz | thanks, on behalf of the other several hundred folks who worked on it |
| 23:53.03 | axi0m | In fact, the device is much faster, since T-Mobile is not so crowded. |
| 23:53.22 | axi0m | 3G in Orange County, California is smoking fast compared to ATT here. |
| 23:53.58 | tweakt | Yeah, I don't even notice the difference between Wifi and 3G unless I'm flying around maps or something, general use, even downloading apps, not difference |
| 23:54.10 | tweakt | *no difference |
| 23:54.10 | axi0m | danfuzz: You all have started something really big. Congrats. :) |
| 23:54.11 | andyross | On the downside: the G1's IMAP client refuses to talk to my self-signed server. So I can't read email. :( |
| 23:54.14 | seva | so i got a g1 today and there is an issue/bug with the contact sync, any suggestions on how to troubleshoot or where to report it |
| 23:54.54 | danfuzz | i'm glad you think so. we've been so heads-down trying to get it finished that it's easy to lose perspective |
| 23:55.15 | danfuzz | andyross: switch to "ssl (when available)" instead of "ssl (always)" |
| 23:55.26 | danfuzz | it will still use ssl but won't whine about self-signed certs |
| 23:55.51 | seva | the contacts sync never finishes |
| 23:55.51 | danfuzz | the ui / docs will be updated at some point to clarify what the options mean |
| 23:55.55 | axi0m | IMHO, Android is starting slow and steady - just like Obama. Solid, though. |
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| 23:56.10 | andyross | ... really? On everything else in the world, what that means is drop to an unencrypted link. I'll try it from my wifi network tonight. |
| 23:56.28 | danfuzz | andyross: really. |
| 23:56.29 | umdk1d3 | axi0m: sigh lol, leave politics out of it :P |
| 23:57.21 | axi0m | Sorry. Just kind of feels like that. No offense to anybody. |
| 23:57.23 | KodeK | axi0m: and you dont even get to customize the skin <badjoke> :P |
| 23:57.24 | axi0m | :) |
| 23:57.33 | danfuzz | the reasoning is that in the mode in question you are still subject to a MITM attack so you may as well not have an encrypted connection, in terms of the assurance the app can provide you |
| 23:57.36 | umdk1d3 | sticks ronpaul sticker on mah fone ;) |
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| 23:58.54 | axi0m | How many Android devs are on this chan? |
| 23:58.58 | danfuzz | me advocates voting for BRAK: <http://www.milk.com/images/etc/brak-hope.png> |
| 23:59.08 | axi0m | I mean Google ppl. |
| 23:59.10 | jbq | waves |
| 23:59.13 | danfuzz | er there was supposed to be a "/" there |
| 23:59.13 | Cedric2 | A few of us |
| 23:59.26 | Cedric2 | Most of them are busy drinking beers, though |
| 23:59.27 | yakischloba | i wonder how long it takes me to break off this little port cover. I'm considering ripping it off right now. |
| 23:59.30 | markf | fyi folks, Settings/SD card & phone storage/Factory data reset/ is available to deal with totally hosed situations like jasta's |
| 23:59.41 | axi0m | You all must be stoked. I think this is huge, and so does most of the tech community. |
| 23:59.42 | markf | of course, it's a pretty drastic step. |
| 23:59.43 | Cedric2 | yakischloba: I always remove the port cover first thing |
| 23:59.44 | fadden | yakischloba: removing the USB port cover is a popular "mod" |
| 23:59.50 | yakischloba | heh |
