| 00:00.11 | gambler | donomo, maybe your at sea and delirious? |
| 00:00.11 | languish | donomo, with all apps? |
| 00:00.11 | DarkriftX | you were drugged and placed in a flying lab above the ocean that was made to look like your house? |
| 00:00.17 | offby1 | donomo: descend rapidly but calmly |
| 00:00.23 | donomo | gambler: well im delirious, thats for sure. |
| 00:00.24 | offby1 | head for Japan |
| 00:00.26 | DarkriftX | lol offby1 |
| 00:00.38 | donomo | languish: i havent tried gmaps yet. i wanted to observe the weirdness |
| 00:00.52 | languish | donomo, try a different gps app |
| 00:00.57 | donomo | i rebooted the G1 and started my app, im still on the way to hawaii. |
| 00:01.01 | donomo | languish: yeah i know :) |
| 00:02.41 | DarkriftX | w00t |
| 00:02.55 | DarkriftX | my 3000th (unique) visitor is registering :) |
| 00:03.12 | donomo | started gmaps. it too says im over the ocean and moving fast. |
| 00:03.39 | donomo | id say somehow a goog engineer's test kml file was in the image and being played out. |
| 00:03.53 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 00:06.13 | donomo | one of the fixes has an accuracy value of 70,000 meters. :) |
| 00:09.29 | DarkriftX | whoa |
| 00:09.42 | DarkriftX | have you tried walking around outside for a few mins? |
| 00:09.52 | donomo | yeah ive been walking around |
| 00:10.23 | donomo | anyone got the RC29 update? |
| 00:10.39 | Disconnect | yep |
| 00:10.51 | Disconnect | most everyone who wants it, you can install via sd |
| 00:11.28 | donomo | i see the story on androidguys.com. i havent got it from tmobile yet. |
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| 00:13.30 | phyburn | what method should I use in handler to run a clock over and over? I need a text clock to be displayed and it has to be updated every second |
| 00:15.04 | romainguy_ | I told you |
| 00:15.11 | romainguy_ | send a delayed message |
| 00:15.17 | romainguy_ | so Handler.sendMessageDelayed |
| 00:15.41 | waldo_ | woohoo! My number guesser program is now complete!! (well, that was fun.) |
| 00:15.50 | phyburn | ah okay thanks romainguy_ |
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| 00:18.50 | languish | congrats waldo! |
| 00:19.40 | waldo_ | yup my first little game :) |
| 00:20.32 | elad | im adding a new string under strings.xml, but whenever I call R.string. the new one isnt listed |
| 00:20.42 | elad | any ideas? |
| 00:21.28 | donomo | elad: in eclipse? try refresh. |
| 00:22.18 | phyburn | romainguy_, idk if I can do a sendMessageDelayed because I need to do a lot of calculations to get the time |
| 00:22.43 | elad | donomo: didn't work |
| 00:22.51 | romainguy_ | well it has to update every second right? |
| 00:22.57 | phyburn | yeah |
| 00:22.59 | romainguy_ | so send a message delayed by 1 second |
| 00:23.14 | phyburn | but I have a huge block of code that has to be exectued everytime to get the time |
| 00:23.23 | romainguy_ | ok so? |
| 00:23.44 | andyross | If only there were some way to call a block of code using a symbolic name, so that you didn't have to cut and paste all of it... |
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| 00:25.03 | elad | donomo: I'm on step9, http://code.google.com/android/intro/tutorial-ex1.html |
| 00:25.19 | elad | maybe they're missing info? |
| 00:25.34 | donomo | elad: a syntax error in strongs.xml perhaps |
| 00:25.55 | elad | nope all fine |
| 00:31.56 | elad | I've followed the tutorial exactly, pretty odd |
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| 00:34.25 | donomo | you're at R.string and you expect control-space to show the name of the new string right? |
| 00:35.11 | elad | yes sir |
| 00:35.32 | donomo | elad: what happens if you type out the name manually (gasp!) and save it? an error? |
| 00:35.40 | elad | yes |
| 00:35.43 | tweakt | 11-02 19:35:25.247: WARN/AudioTrack(32): obtainBuffer timed out (is the CPU pegged?) user=00000100, server=00000000 |
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| 00:35.53 | donomo | elad: whats the error |
| 00:35.54 | tweakt | What's the the issue here? |
| 00:36.31 | tweakt | Some major latencies in triggering sound effects, not sure what the problem is |
| 00:36.39 | elad | basically undefined, gives me an option to create a field or create constant |
| 00:36.53 | elad | it cannot be resolved* |
| 00:37.14 | donomo | elad: can you paste the strings.xml contents into pastie.org? |
| 00:37.27 | elad | yup one sec on laptop |
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| 00:39.02 | phyburn | romainguy_, agg sorry really new, how would I load my clock values into the message so the handler could display the message? |
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| 00:39.06 | elad`dev | http://pastie.org/306128 |
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| 00:39.59 | donomo | elad: yeah looks pretty ordinary. :) |
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| 00:40.15 | elad`dev | yea it's strange I'm inside my onCreateMethod |
| 00:42.01 | donomo | elad: there is a 'fix project properties' menu item that magically fixed an .aidl file problem for me earlier with eclipse |
| 00:42.31 | elad | hmmm |
| 00:42.44 | spikebike | denali is loving riding around the perimeter of slide hill park |
| 00:43.30 | elad | LOL |
| 00:43.36 | elad | donomo... I'm horrible |
| 00:43.49 | elad | I was calling R.string |
| 00:43.50 | donomo | elad: what was it |
| 00:43.55 | DannyB | Damm: the serial numbers are engineering serial numbers |
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| 00:44.04 | elad | R.strings* |
| 00:44.12 | DannyB | Damm: you can tell the hardware rev by the serial number |
| 00:44.22 | donomo | elad: i was going to check that myself but the tutorial also shows R.string. ha |
| 00:44.22 | DannyB | Damm: the prototypes have the serial numbers etched into them in various places |
| 00:44.26 | elad | actually |
| 00:44.33 | elad | yea, that didnt work either |
| 00:44.45 | Damm | DannyB, thought so. |
| 00:45.09 | Damm | is playing with the sdk. |
| 00:46.14 | ivantis | Attention: I am now starting a service of logging my favorite IRC channels on FreeNode. This is one of the channels. You can read the logs at http://irclogs.space-lab.us/ . If you would not like this channel logged, please ask me nicely and I will remove it. |
| 00:47.24 | Damm | ivantis, usually it's safe to ask the opers that before you do it. |
| 00:47.26 | donomo | now my online wisdom will be presered for future generations to study. thank you ivantis. |
| 00:47.53 | ivantis | jasonchen, morrildl, SanMehat, hear that? |
| 00:47.55 | elad | donomo: i see no_notes just fine in R.string |
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| 00:48.28 | donomo | elad: yeah it sounds like an eclipse/staleness issue |
| 00:48.35 | donomo | elad: restart eclipse perhaps |
| 00:49.15 | tweakt | I get this repeatedly when trying to play sound effects: WARN/AudioTrack(33): obtainBuffer timed out (is the CPU pegged?) |
| 00:49.22 | tweakt | no other apps are running |
| 00:49.30 | donomo | ivantis: may i suggest a four digit year? http://android.irclogs.space-lab.us/Nov-01-08.txt 01-08 is so confusing. |
| 00:49.55 | elad | donomo: nope, maybe it's a sign, I'm not meant to be? |
| 00:49.59 | elad | :*( |
| 00:50.25 | donomo | elad: you might be right. do you have any other hobbies? :) |
| 00:50.29 | ivantis | i have to change it? |
| 00:50.35 | ivantis | that would take time and effort |
| 00:51.15 | elad | yes ivantis |
| 00:51.44 | ivantis | elad: what? |
| 00:51.54 | BHSPitLappy | donomo, I'd agree, if not for the spelled out month name |
| 00:52.04 | BHSPitLappy | Nov-01 - 08 isn't ambiguous in that order |
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| 00:53.59 | umdk1d3 | umm |
| 00:54.44 | umdk1d3 | ivantis: /me doesnt like public channel logging :/ |
| 00:54.55 | Disconnect | am i mis-thinking all this goopy OO stuff by expecting (or at least hoping) the sdk would have a basic date/time button that pops up the picker and then updates its value? |
| 00:54.57 | umdk1d3 | i dont have any say in it, so its just imho |
| 00:55.11 | ivantis | its up to the ops |
| 00:55.30 | umdk1d3 | but usually freenode disallows public logs unless its approved before started |
| 00:55.44 | umdk1d3 | and it looks like youve been doing it for days now :/ |
| 00:55.49 | donomo | Disconnect: you mean like DatePicker? http://code.google.com/android/reference/view-gallery.html |
| 00:55.53 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: my big problem with the logs is that i always only find myself with problems, but never answers :) |
| 00:56.15 | donomo | i expect everything i do on the intertubes to be 'recorded' |
| 00:56.59 | umdk1d3 | same here, but i /dont/ like it being dumped to google |
| 00:57.04 | Disconnect | donomo: i was looking for a wrapper widget that handled the popup window for me cuz i'm lazy :) |
| 00:57.06 | umdk1d3 | for full-text indexing, etc |
| 00:57.55 | umdk1d3 | "get permission from the channel owners **before** you start" <-- http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml |
| 00:58.14 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: if it exists it gets dumped to google. besides, thats about the only part of the phone that works as advertised - dumping all your personal data to google :) |
| 00:58.27 | donomo | Disconnect: lol |
| 00:59.25 | morrildl | ivantis: please disable channel logging for now |
| 00:59.58 | morrildl | mostly because there are a lot of people who have been here under the belief that there is no logging, so we'll want to solicit some opinion |
| 01:00.31 | ivantis | okay |
| 01:00.39 | phyburn | how do you assign a string to a Message? |
| 01:01.04 | Disconnect | logs locally, but only ever publishes in aggregate (and even that doesn't happen often, been too lazy to do it in a year or 2 :) ..) |
| 01:01.39 | umdk1d3 | the biggest reason im against raw irc log dumps is that freenode doesnt have hostmasking |
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| 01:01.53 | Disconnect | umdk1d3: sure it does if you donate |
| 01:02.27 | umdk1d3 | im not vain enough for a vhost ;) |
| 01:02.46 | Disconnect | for that matter, ipv6 and wacky reverse dns entries :) |
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| 01:05.14 | umdk1d3 | lol i just realized that ive had a solid freenode connection for over a month now ^.^ |
| 01:05.18 | umdk1d3 | signon: Mon Sep 22 22:37:02 2008 |
| 01:05.33 | Disconnect | lol |
| 01:05.40 | Disconnect | is 1 week so far |
| 01:06.23 | swetland | I have to say these xda-developers threads are a fun read: |
| 01:06.29 | swetland | If this phone is truly open then we should be able to ASK google what the root credentials are. Making this public on androidcommunity should twist googles arm enough. |
| 01:06.31 | languish | heh |
| 01:07.26 | elad | cellphone wars |
| 01:07.45 | swetland | in particular the one where they're trying to reverse engineer the boot.img and recovery update.zip formats makes me scratch my head, given that all the source code to generate and process that stuff is published |
| 01:07.50 | languish | nah, google's just another business pulling a fast one on the public. nbd, it's par for the course. |
| 01:07.50 | Disconnect | is the loudest whiner about the non-openness around here and i've never claimed the keys were part of that. (at least, in so far as android itself..) |
| 01:08.00 | Disconnect | swetland: thats pretty funny |
| 01:08.41 | swetland | there is a distinction between an open platform, an open phone, and an open development model |
| 01:08.57 | swetland | s/open platform/open source platform/ |
| 01:09.02 | languish | swetland, yep and that distinction wasn't make clear by the marketing peeps to the public |
| 01:09.06 | swetland | 2 of 3 for the first device to ship is a nice start |
| 01:09.10 | Disconnect | google -did- miss that when they started using private apis all over the place :) |
| 01:09.24 | romainguy_ | arf |
| 01:09.30 | swetland | morning romain |
| 01:09.48 | romainguy_ | morning swetland :) |
| 01:10.06 | Disconnect | morning? wicked timezone you've got there :) |
| 01:10.11 | swetland | this weekend has involved entirely too much fallout 3 |
| 01:10.20 | romainguy_ | swetland: I just got started on that one |
| 01:10.21 | swetland | or perhaps, not nearly enough fallout 3 |
| 01:10.24 | Disconnect | dc metro is covered with ads for it, pretty neat looking |
| 01:10.29 | swetland | depending on one's point of view |
| 01:10.35 | swetland | I'm enjoying it a great deal so far |
| 01:10.39 | romainguy_ | glad to hear that |
| 01:11.10 | swetland | you can definitely see the oblivion engine under the hood, but with a bunch of improvements, and I enjoy the fallout 3 world a lot more than oblivion's sorta generic fantasy world feel |
| 01:11.13 | Disconnect | http://www.joystiq.com/photos/fallout-3-metro-ads/1083946/ |
| 01:11.37 | romainguy_ | swetland: agreed, but I'm still a bit disappointed by small details |
| 01:11.46 | romainguy_ | I guess I'll forget about them when I get more into the game |
| 01:11.49 | Disconnect | just a few of them (metro center is covered, its basically the biggest station - something like 10 train platforms on 3 levels) |
| 01:11.53 | romainguy_ | like I said, I just got started |
| 01:12.09 | romainguy_ | (I'm waiting for my gf to finish Fable 2 so I can get my Xbox back :) |
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| 01:12.12 | swetland | the point where I was totally sold |
| 01:12.21 | swetland | was when I accepted a quest to explore a nearby super mega mart |
| 01:12.45 | languish | and there were G1's on display? |
| 01:12.49 | languish | ^_^ |
| 01:12.58 | swetland | which became the epic raid on the super mega mart and the storming of the phramacy dept and much entertainment ensued |
| 01:13.05 | romainguy_ | lol |
| 01:13.25 | Disconnect | doesn't think it'll run on the wii or the ds so.. :( |
| 01:13.34 | swetland | more recently I was involved in a three-way gun battle with various factions in a burned out library |
| 01:14.13 | swetland | I feel like I'm getting my post-apocalyptic money's worth |
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| 01:16.00 | morrildl_ | http://spreadsheets.google.com/a/android.com/viewform?key=pRYCaLjqem6mb9DT3cj3fLw&hl=en |
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| 01:16.37 | morrildl_ | Open Source Release: http://source.android.com/ | Android Market is now open for new applications: http://market.android.com/publish | Do you mind if we log #android? Open Source Release: http://source.android.com/ | Android Market is now open for new applications: http://market.android.com/publish | |
| 01:16.42 | swetland | dan, that's some convoluted wording right there ^^ |
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| 01:17.00 | swetland | "please vote yes if you do don't want to not not log!" |
| 01:17.06 | *** topic/#android by morrildl_ -> Open Source Release: http://source.android.com/ | Android Market is now open for new applications: http://market.android.com/publish | Do you mind if we log #android? http://spreadsheets.google.com/a/android.com/viewform?key=pRYCaLjqem6mb9DT3cj3fLw&hl=en |
| 01:17.09 | cbeust_ | If only we could have a page somewhere on the Internet that we could point people to |
| 01:17.42 | cbeust_ | I've heard good things about this technology called The Web |
| 01:17.50 | Disconnect | ok i click that spreadsheets link and i get 'log into android.com email' |
| 01:18.23 | morrildl_ | Disconnect: ha, nice |
| 01:18.26 | morrildl_ | let me check into that |
| 01:18.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | Glance is in the Market now :) |
| 01:18.48 | Disconnect | i'd love an android.com address but :) |
| 01:19.17 | Miek | remove "/a/android.com" from it |
| 01:19.54 | Disconnect | that worked |
| 01:20.24 | morrildl_ | thanks |
| 01:20.35 | *** topic/#android by morrildl_ -> Open Source Release: http://source.android.com/ | Android Market is now open for new applications: http://market.android.com/publish | Do you mind if we log #android? http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=pRYCaLjqem6mb9DT3cj3fLw&hl=en |
| 01:20.48 | Disconnect | might say "do you mind if we log android? vote:" and investigate tinyurl |
| 01:21.00 | morrildl_ | Disconnect: yeah |
| 01:21.18 | morrildl_ | does that URI work |
| 01:21.31 | Disconnect | yes |
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| 01:23.22 | elad | michael: very good work I like it! |
| 01:23.51 | malaclyps | wow that xda-developers thread is something else |
| 01:24.03 | malaclyps | THE PRIVATE KEY MUST BE IN THIS PHONE SOMEWHERE |
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| 01:24.10 | Disconnect | lol |
| 01:24.24 | malaclyps | bangs phone on table to dislodge key |
| 01:24.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | elad thanks |
| 01:24.50 | swetland | stuck keys are such a common problem. I had a typewritter that suffered from that when I was a kid. |
| 01:25.12 | donomo | ha |
| 01:25.15 | Disconnect | malaclyps: if you short the battery for 90 seconds and then power up the phone it'll print they key on the screen. |
| 01:26.07 | languish | i think my phones updating, the sync indicator's been active for at leat 30 minutes now |
| 01:26.14 | languish | *least |
| 01:26.29 | p1mrx | "the private key must be in this phone"? someone doesn't understand public key crypto... |
| 01:26.43 | phyburn | if I use android.os.Handler.sendMessageDelayed how could I get setText to display the message? |
| 01:26.50 | languish | and there's 3g activity while I'm not doing anything |
| 01:27.59 | spikebike | sweet, you are likely getting hte update |
| 01:28.02 | spikebike | is jealous |
| 01:28.11 | Disconnect | spikebike: do an sd update |
| 01:28.56 | phyburn | romainguy_, you still online? |
| 01:29.10 | languish | ugh |
| 01:29.12 | spikebike | I'm scared to |
| 01:29.14 | languish | it's not the update |
| 01:29.18 | spikebike | unless I hear they don't do it over edge |
| 01:29.23 | spikebike | oh no? what is it? |
| 01:29.35 | languish | it looks like contacts is having a problem updating |
| 01:29.35 | languish | facepalm |
| 01:29.35 | Disconnect | nice |
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| 01:31.06 | languish | maybe it was the update, phone just randomly rebooted |
| 01:31.17 | languish | but the info screen didn't say anything about an update pending |
| 01:31.18 | Disconnect | update prompts |
| 01:31.42 | languish | yeah, waiting for it |
| 01:32.04 | languish | nope |
| 01:32.09 | languish | didn't ask to update |
| 01:32.19 | languish | it just rebooted itself for no appearent reason |
| 01:32.21 | languish | yay :/ |
| 01:32.24 | Disconnect | everyday crash |
| 01:33.12 | swetland | adb pull /proc/last_kmsg kmsg.txt |
| 01:33.14 | spikebike | i wonder if the updates are ordered by imei number |
| 01:33.28 | swetland | should give you a crash/reboot reason |
| 01:33.38 | languish | be nice if there were an in-phone log access. I can't hook it up to adb right now |
| 01:33.41 | swetland | (it'll be either a modem crash or kernel panic, most likely) |
| 01:35.33 | languish | ahh crap, the sync indicators up again, and g3 data transfers going on, no update pending on the info screen, and on the sync screen it shows contacts syncing |
| 01:35.56 | Disconnect | fun |
| 01:36.00 | languish | there's only 11 contacts in there, it shouldn't be choking on it |
| 01:36.03 | Disconnect | hehe |
| 01:36.10 | languish | i haven't synced my phone book yet |
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| 01:36.26 | languish | testing too many apps that want contact info |
| 01:36.39 | spikebike | languish is your storage decreasing? |
| 01:36.42 | spikebike | (on the sd card) |
| 01:36.42 | Disconnect | if it keeps crashing stop telling google and we'll see about finding an exploit |
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| 01:37.00 | languish | spikebike, lemme check |
| 01:37.03 | spikebike | languish was it your phone with the broken accelerameter? |
| 01:37.15 | languish | spike, no |
| 01:37.42 | uluatu | neo freerunners, is there any successfull case here? |
| 01:38.49 | spikebike | it should run android soon |
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| 01:38.58 | spikebike | hardware's not as nice, but it is open |
| 01:39.07 | Disconnect | hey g1 ad on fox |
| 01:39.08 | spikebike | define successful ;-) |
| 01:39.39 | languish | no, sd card's not losing space |
| 01:39.53 | languish | i did update a contact via gmail earlier today |
| 01:40.00 | BHSPitLappy | Just a saw the G1 commercial on tv |
| 01:40.02 | languish | rather via google apps mail |
| 01:40.26 | phyburn | could anyone look at this code and tell me where I failed with my handler http://pastebin.com/d167c0795 I'm trying to get it to display the time to the screen |
| 01:40.26 | languish | i think that's the problem |
| 01:40.30 | AmericanM | OK, I got the G1 unlocked, using it with my Claro chip from central America, I configured the apn to the carrier settings, I see the edge simbol on the phone with the arrow pointing up working but not the one pointing one, after many attemps even in "safe mode" I cannot get pass the google account activation screen. Every time I get the error " cannot communicate with google servers" Can anyone help? is there a workarou |
| 01:40.59 | Disconnect | i think you have to activate with tmobile first. but i'm not sure. |
| 01:41.09 | spikebike | yeah |
| 01:41.17 | spikebike | with a valid tmo sim |
| 01:41.27 | AmericanM | hmmm |
| 01:41.40 | AmericanM | there is no google activation bypass? |
| 01:41.54 | AmericanM | to activate throug wifi? |
| 01:42.02 | spikebike | not that I know of |
| 01:42.20 | AmericanM | I do see the edge symbol on the g1 |
| 01:42.28 | AmericanM | and it does work on the iphone |
| 01:42.30 | gambler | AmericanM, how did you get your G1 unlocked? |
| 01:42.45 | gambler | I ve heard reports but havent been following that |
| 01:42.48 | AmericanM | through a website |
| 01:42.54 | gambler | linky? |
| 01:43.15 | Disconnect | got his unlocked by calling 611 and saying "send me my code, i might go to london in a week or two" and 16 hours later the email arrived |
| 01:43.18 | AmericanM | http://www.unlock-tmobileg1.com |
| 01:43.29 | languish | gonna install the sdk on another box. this is getting ridiculouis |
| 01:43.39 | gambler | Disconnect, smart |
| 01:43.40 | spikebike | disconnect nice |
| 01:43.56 | spikebike | I'll likely just wait for 3 months |
| 01:44.32 | Disconnect | spikebike: same process either way, they'll ask why. if you talk to smartphone/blackberry group (esp if you are an existing customer) they'll generally just do it. |
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| 01:49.11 | languish | man I love unpacking archives on multicore systems |
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| 01:51.52 | uluatu | spikebike: next NEo Freerunner revision, gta03, will be better. Camera included so far. |
| 01:52.28 | uluatu | Im trying to beta test some porting experiences, but it seems to be to early to do that. |
| 01:53.03 | gambler | uluatu, when is that scheduled to be released? |
| 01:53.32 | uluatu | gambler: not sure yet, but probably for the Christmas ;) |
| 01:53.38 | uluatu | gta04 is underway |
| 01:53.47 | phyburn | what handler method could you use to run a method over and over? |
| 01:53.53 | uluatu | people from openmoko got 25 pieces of gta03 to start playing. |
| 01:54.41 | CompBrain | my 1973 has been holding paper down nearly since I bought it |
| 01:54.46 | uluatu | android will run on all of them after some success porting to armv4t |
| 01:55.01 | gambler | CompBrain, like my Greenphone is sitting in my toolbox |
| 01:55.04 | uluatu | CompBrain: yeah, too bugy |
| 01:55.39 | CompBrain | I gave it many chances. I *really* did |
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| 01:55.46 | uluatu | im giving qtextended 4.4.2 a chance, but same problems. No grps, no wpa wifi, and so on.. |
| 01:57.42 | uluatu | until now this one gime the best look and feel(the only one for a mobile gadget). But none of them let me use all features... |
| 01:58.43 | uluatu | Ben got his first Android runnning on gta01 1973: http://benno.id.au/blog/2008/11/02/android-on-neo1973 |
| 01:58.49 | uluatu | today |
| 02:00.16 | unix_remote | uluatu: that neo looks like it has a resistive screen? |
| 02:00.38 | uluatu | resistive? What you mean? |
| 02:00.43 | CompBrain | uluatu: Yeah |
| 02:00.46 | CompBrain | it is resistive |
| 02:01.07 | unix_remote | bummer, that bezel and the resistive screen makes for a terrible experience. |
| 02:01.10 | CompBrain | uluatu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Technologies |
| 02:02.56 | languish | what command do I use to dump logcat with personal info filtered? |
| 02:04.24 | uluatu | "Resistance type touch panel" from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware |
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| 02:04.25 | uluatu | ? |
| 02:05.22 | languish | adb -d bugreport ? |
| 02:05.29 | CompBrain | uluatu: You squish a resistance panel with your finger -- a capacitive panel like the G1, the screen is usually glass and does not squish underfinger |
| 02:05.52 | CompBrain | think palm pilot vs iphone |
| 02:05.58 | Disconnect | languish: gotta take bugreport and clean it up by hand :( |
| 02:06.07 | languish | :/ |
| 02:06.12 | languish | I see there's a filter option |
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| 02:06.18 | uluatu | CompBrain: ok, much more clear. I got the point. |
| 02:06.43 | languish | crap. adb doesn't see my G1 on this box |
| 02:06.48 | languish | mrm |
| 02:06.51 | unix_remote | anyone get their G1 @ walmart yet? |
| 02:07.02 | Disconnect | languish: turn on usb debugging |
| 02:07.10 | languish | Disconnect I have |
| 02:07.24 | Disconnect | windows? needs a driver |
| 02:07.30 | Disconnect | linux might need root |
| 02:07.36 | Disconnect | osx seems to 'just work' for most people |
| 02:07.54 | Disconnect | (sometimes you need to turn off usb storage also, so debug is on and storage is off - nice simple config) |
| 02:08.15 | languish | nod |
| 02:08.23 | languish | yeah windows, working on it |
| 02:08.24 | spikebike | gta03 edge? 3g? |
| 02:08.58 | spikebike | how much ram? |
| 02:09.25 | *** topic/#android by morrildl_ -> Open Source Release: http://source.android.com/ | Android Market is now open for new applications: http://market.android.com/publish | Do you mind if we log #android? vote: http://tinyurl.com/6hb3db |
| 02:10.07 | Disconnect | while you're at it: " | No, you can't reflash a retail G1" |
| 02:11.43 | wastrel | win 2 |
| 02:11.45 | wastrel | grr |
| 02:12.28 | languish | i had to use a different usb port |
| 02:12.35 | wastrel | i voted no on the logging |
| 02:12.49 | Disconnect | weird. windows weirdness prolly, it seems to look at a device as 'port:device' |
| 02:13.28 | languish | ok got adb devices identifying my g1 now |
| 02:13.53 | languish | now to find out wtf this thing is rebooting itself |
| 02:15.05 | languish | yep, it's choking on the damn contacts update |
| 02:15.11 | languish | something about a photo |
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| 02:17.44 | uluatu | spikebike: yeah. both. 3G and edge |
| 02:18.35 | uluatu | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 |
| 02:18.46 | Disconnect | what freqs? |
| 02:19.11 | Disconnect | btw best part of the new update (well, visible part so far): usb notifier before it decides to go all usb-storagee |
| 02:19.11 | RyeBrye | Is that 3G? I thought it said 2.75G / EDGE |
| 02:19.29 | RyeBrye | Yeah, the USB notifier is probably the ONLY thing visible in the update |
| 02:19.36 | RyeBrye | Does anyone else have their home screen lock up frequently? |
| 02:19.45 | spikebike | lock up? |
| 02:19.46 | RyeBrye | When I say frequently, I mean probably 6 or 7 times a day |
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| 02:19.51 | spikebike | as in have to power cycle? |
| 02:19.53 | RyeBrye | No |
| 02:20.00 | spikebike | uluatu that seems to say no 3g |
| 02:20.04 | Disconnect | for how long? mine can take as much as (timed) a minute before it draws more than the background and pull-tab |
| 02:20.12 | RyeBrye | Yes, same here |
| 02:20.21 | Disconnect | gotta file a bug on it, easy to reproduce: start browser loading a page, hit home |
| 02:20.32 | RyeBrye | Ahh... Yes, that is probably what did it |
| 02:20.36 | jasta | thats probably more to do with the scheduler than the home app |
| 02:20.37 | RyeBrye | I didn't bother tracking down what was causing it |
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| 02:20.56 | spikebike | disconnect mine doesn't do that, just tried it |
| 02:21.01 | Disconnect | jasta: yah SanMehat was looking at scheduler stuff iirc |
| 02:21.12 | Disconnect | spikebike: load an image-heavy page maybe? |
| 02:21.15 | languish | this is what it's choking on... |
| 02:21.17 | languish | E/Sync ( 81): savePhoto: update of content://contacts/people/17/photo with values data=[**notsureifthisshouldbeprivate*** local_version=-***notsureifthisshouldbeprivate*** _sync_dirty=0 affected no rows |
| 02:21.26 | spikebike | disconnect got a specific page in mind? |
| 02:21.59 | languish | it keeps repeating that attempt to sync a photo I'm guessing, that isn't there to sync, from a contact image |
| 02:22.30 | languish | until it uses up so much memeory it reboots the device |
| 02:22.40 | RyeBrye | My wifi keeps going away and not coming back too |
| 02:22.41 | Disconnect | spikebike: seems to depend on load, doesn't always do it |
| 02:22.44 | Disconnect | yah |
| 02:23.01 | spikebike | I've seen a few seconds of non-responsiveness after closing an app |
| 02:23.11 | spikebike | nothing close to a minute though |
| 02:23.43 | Disconnect | it does 30-60 seconds at least 3 times a day. |
| 02:23.57 | Disconnect | sometimes its fast, usually its ok, occasionally its terrible |
| 02:24.13 | RyeBrye | Yeah, I'm not sure if it's always the browser that causes it for me |
| 02:24.28 | RyeBrye | Although that time it did |
| 02:24.33 | RyeBrye | I had 2 windows both loading stuff |
| 02:24.41 | RyeBrye | and... It's still down |
| 02:24.46 | Disconnect | would help debug it but its not like i run any test code or do any analysis |
| 02:24.51 | RyeBrye | ok, just came back - maybe about 30 seconds |
| 02:25.50 | languish | mice, I go install adb to get the logcat and the gdevs disappear |
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| 02:26.02 | languish | remembers to complain some more when they get back |
| 02:26.04 | RyeBrye | If I open up 3 or 4 windows, I bet I can make that home screen take a minute to pop up |
| 02:26.04 | languish | :DS |
| 02:26.08 | offby1 | HEISENBUG! |
| 02:26.18 | spikebike | anyone else notice that some google contact groups are missing? |
| 02:26.19 | languish | more like HINDENBUG |
| 02:27.03 | languish | spikebike, maybe that's what this is choking on. I created a couple of google contact groups |
| 02:27.24 | languish | when it went to syc my contacts, it began throwing a hissyfit |
| 02:27.26 | spikebike | I noticed that some trnasfer and some don't |
| 02:27.29 | languish | *sync |
| 02:27.42 | spikebike | the family group doesn't carry over, but most of the custom ones that were created did |
| 02:27.43 | languish | ugh, this was so not ready for prime time |
| 02:27.45 | RyeBrye | Yeah, Disconnect - 30 seconds each time for me recently. I just have to open more than one window and I can reproduce it 100% - although the clock in the header and the battery-charge icon continue to update normally the home screen id just unresponsive |
| 02:27.51 | Disconnect | yah |
| 02:28.21 | Disconnect | hold home and you can sometimes switch to a different app |
| 02:29.12 | RyeBrye | Another bug I see is that when it looses my wifi for some reason, and it falls back to edge - programs seem to not want to use the edge... i.e I open up the market app and it will just give me errors that it can't get to the network |
| 02:29.12 | offby1 | kinda like Alt+TAB in Windows |
| 02:29.20 | languish | i wish this could tell me WHAT contact it was choking on |
| 02:29.20 | spikebike | rye yeah seen that |
| 02:29.24 | spikebike | usually it's the opposite |
| 02:29.36 | RyeBrye | Going from edge -> wifi that things don't want to use the connection? |
| 02:29.37 | languish | likely the debug info says it, but it's not obvious |
| 02:29.39 | Disconnect | offby1: there is an app to see whats actually running, home just shows last up-to-6 apps |
| 02:29.43 | spikebike | I have edge, startup wifi and devices still try to use edge or just timeout... like trying to login to gtalk |
| 02:29.47 | spikebike | if I power cycle it works |
| 02:30.00 | offby1 | Disconnect: yeah, I've got P-something-service installed; it's kinda like "ps" |
| 02:30.29 | RyeBrye | Good thing this is an open OS so we can compile our own latest kernels and work on fixing these bugs ourselves just like we can with linux... |
| 02:30.30 | RyeBrye | Oh... wait... |
| 02:30.33 | Disconnect | it was crashy for me so i went back to using the hold-home one |
| 02:30.39 | RyeBrye | :P |
| 02:30.49 | spikebike | ryebrye yeah kinda sad it's just as closed as any phone |
| 02:31.00 | Disconnect | RyeBrye: i'd buy the "its a platform" crap from google if they hadn't waited for devices to ship to release the code :) |
| 02:31.00 | languish | RyeBrye, quotefiled |
| 02:31.00 | languish | :D |
| 02:31.02 | RyeBrye | : |
| 02:31.05 | RyeBrye | : |
| 02:31.15 | RyeBrye | err... :) - I kept losing my mouth! ;) |
| 02:31.25 | languish | heh |
| 02:31.41 | tweakt | is it possible to play an audio file a person you are calling? |
| 02:31.47 | tweakt | *to |
| 02:32.01 | RyeBrye | I hope so, but I'm not sure |
| 02:32.09 | RyeBrye | because I want to write a vocoder someday |
| 02:32.25 | tweakt | hold music ;-) |
| 02:32.28 | RyeBrye | so the audio file I want to play would be a screwed-with version of the voice of the user |
| 02:32.46 | tweakt | oh, that'd be cool |
| 02:32.53 | tweakt | voice scrambler |
| 02:32.55 | RyeBrye | yep :) |
| 02:33.19 | languish | guess I have to go in to my gmail contacts and undo my groups for this shit to stop messing with my G1 |
| 02:33.35 | RyeBrye | Syncing with gmail contacts wouldn't be too bad |
| 02:33.38 | languish | because I can't tell from the logcat which contact it's choking on |
| 02:33.42 | RyeBrye | if Gmail didn't make a contact for EVERY person you ever emailed |
| 02:33.52 | Disconnect | RyeBrye: you can turn that off now. |
| 02:33.55 | RyeBrye | It took me about an hour to sift through and delete tons of people form my contacts |
| 02:34.04 | languish | RyeBrye, yeah and you can't delete someone. you can only "hide" them |
| 02:34.05 | spikebike | ya |
| 02:34.09 | offby1 | my gripe is the inability to merge contacts, but that has nothing to do with the phone |
| 02:34.09 | wastrel | contacts |
| 02:34.10 | languish | which is evil |
| 02:34.13 | spikebike | seems like the g1 takes a random subset |
| 02:34.18 | spikebike | so mycontacts for gmail |
| 02:34.19 | Disconnect | it'd be really nice if i could keep my normal email account and then get contacts+calendar+email from the new(er) one that isn't full of all that crap |
| 02:34.26 | spikebike | gtalk gets a different subset |
| 02:34.29 | offby1 | wastrel: I've said it before, but: I love your nick. Wish I'd chosen it first. |
| 02:34.35 | spikebike | contacst gets a different subset |
| 02:34.52 | RyeBrye | I used a contact syncing program on my mac to get my google contacts in sync with my local ones |
| 02:34.57 | RyeBrye | it handled merging ok |
| 02:35.01 | Disconnect | RyeBrye: you mean isync? :) |
| 02:35.22 | RyeBrye | No, isynch doesn't quite do it |
| 02:35.30 | wastrel | thx. i've been using it so long when i see the word used outside of IRC i get a little weirded out |
| 02:35.43 | RyeBrye | ISynch will if you have an iphone - kind of - but a program called Spanning Sync worked nicely |
| 02:36.04 | Disconnect | uses isync to sync address book and gmail, works fine |
| 02:36.25 | RyeBrye | Disconnect - do you have an iphone? or did you use the hack to make it think you had an iphone? |
| 02:36.39 | RyeBrye | Otherwise, the syncing between address book and google contacts doesn't show up |
| 02:36.55 | Disconnect | i don't have an iphone. did way way back when but thats not used here. it was working fine when i had my e90. |
| 02:37.27 | RyeBrye | Is it in isync? |
| 02:37.32 | RyeBrye | what device it is syncing? |
| 02:37.39 | Disconnect | not the phone. it was syncing the e90 |
| 02:37.50 | Disconnect | not the iphone i mean |
| 02:38.11 | RyeBrye | I open iSync and I have no devices - and I can try to add the G1 but it can't sync to it... |
| 02:38.24 | RyeBrye | how do you add google contacts as a syncing device? |
| 02:38.27 | Disconnect | g1 offers no bluetooth services. so no sync. |
| 02:38.39 | RyeBrye | Right |
| 02:38.52 | Disconnect | its so open it can't even do backups |
| 02:39.04 | RyeBrye | "You cannot sync your computer and devices until you add a device to iSync." |
| 02:39.22 | RyeBrye | I can't sync, and I can't add a device, so I don't know how I could get isync to sync my google contacts and my address book |
| 02:41.25 | languish | ok so I found the problem. the picture in one of the contacts wasn't being sync'd, but it kept attempting to |
| 02:41.54 | languish | after removing the picture from the google contact info, the sync stopped choking |
| 02:42.07 | languish | now I can go eat |
| 02:42.14 | d0nets | umoms |
| 02:42.16 | phyburn | what handler method could you use to run a class method that I made over and over? |
| 02:42.31 | RyeBrye | phyburn: a while loop? |
| 02:42.33 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 02:42.38 | Disconnect | lol |
| 02:42.40 | phyburn | lol |
| 02:42.45 | phyburn | I did that! with no success |
| 02:42.56 | phyburn | I think it loaded it to fast or something because I could never view it |
| 02:44.30 | phyburn | I can't figure it out, I've tried so many handler methods and none of them seem to work |
| 02:44.59 | d0nets | someone help me port a guitar tuner |
| 02:45.05 | Disconnect | oh lord not that again |
| 02:45.09 | RyeBrye | :) |
| 02:45.10 | d0nets | i need a tuner |
| 02:45.19 | RyeBrye | Just write your own - it'd probably be easier than porting one |
| 02:45.25 | languish | st0ned dude, you ask that in here too much |
| 02:45.27 | d0nets | i know 0 java |
| 02:45.31 | d0nets | i know |
| 02:45.33 | d0nets | heres the best place |
| 02:45.34 | d0nets | lol |
| 02:45.36 | RyeBrye | re-using FFT libraries would be smart |
| 02:45.37 | Disconnect | so you could be learning it instead |
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| 02:45.45 | RyeBrye | I'll write you one for $1000 :D |
| 02:45.45 | Disconnect | or posting it to one of the programmer-bounty boards |
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| 02:45.53 | d0nets | now its not even just wanting to do it, its more just wanting to play the guitar and remembering i dont have a tuner anymore |
| 02:46.01 | d0nets | ill give you 20 |
| 02:46.05 | d0nets | and a pat on the back |
| 02:46.18 | Disconnect | is tempted to write one and charge $100 just cuz |
| 02:46.27 | Disconnect | gpl of course, can just recycle existing stuff |
| 02:47.02 | RyeBrye | I'm not convinced the microphone on a phone can be good enough to do a guitar tuner that wont suck |
| 02:47.07 | phyburn | anyone have any good tutorial on handlers? |
| 02:47.08 | d0nets | rybrye |
| 02:47.10 | RyeBrye | maybe I'm wrong |
| 02:47.15 | d0nets | ive had a guitar tuner on my phone for about 4 years |
| 02:47.20 | phyburn | I just fail at reading the API info page thing |
| 02:47.26 | RyeBrye | Yeah, but did it work? |
| 02:47.29 | d0nets | yea |
| 02:47.31 | d0nets | works damn well |
| 02:47.50 | Disconnect | its a pretty simple waveform |
| 02:47.52 | RyeBrye | I'm a tuner snob... I like tuners that work fast and that I plug my guitar into directly - but that's just me |
| 02:47.58 | d0nets | the big E is a little weird with a pick on my guitar |
| 02:48.10 | d0nets | i just use my thumb for that |
| 02:48.12 | RyeBrye | The nicest tuner I've ever used was a super-expensive stroboscope one |
| 02:48.14 | d0nets | other than that it works just fine |
| 02:48.27 | d0nets | yea but rye its nice having it where you have your phone, everywhere |
| 02:48.28 | Disconnect | RyeBrye: rig up a headset plug mic |
| 02:48.50 | RyeBrye | Ok, I might start looking at what it would take to do it |
| 02:49.00 | d0nets | rye |
| 02:49.02 | RyeBrye | but I've never done much with audio programming, so it might not come of much :) |
| 02:49.04 | Disconnect | be sure to charge $100 for it |
| 02:49.08 | d0nets | http://code.google.com/p/tunedroid |
| 02:49.08 | RyeBrye | :) |
| 02:49.20 | d0nets | theres 2 examples on the page |
| 02:49.38 | RyeBrye | I should write a Web 2.0 tuner |
| 02:49.45 | RyeBrye | where users upload audio clips of their guitar |
| 02:49.51 | RyeBrye | and other users vote on if they are in tune or not |
| 02:49.52 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 02:49.58 | Disconnect | lol |
| 02:50.02 | Disconnect | that rocks |
| 02:50.04 | d0nets | lol |
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| 02:51.51 | RyeBrye | http://www.precisionstrobe.com/ |
| 02:52.24 | RyeBrye | I think I used one once thatw as like a $1500 tuner |
| 02:52.29 | RyeBrye | It was VERY easy to tune with :) |
| 02:52.46 | RyeBrye | I think my high school band teacher had it for some reason |
| 02:53.01 | RyeBrye | (Well, the some reason = tuning stuff - but why they had such an expensive one I don't know) |
| 02:53.51 | benley | I've never been big into using tuners for acoustic instruments |
| 02:54.23 | benley | just give me a stable reference note and I'm good :) |
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| 02:55.01 | d0nets | benley |
| 02:55.12 | d0nets | yea i just like relying on technology |
| 02:55.22 | RyeBrye | d0nets - how about I write you a virtual pitch pipe and we'll call it good? |
| 02:55.22 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 02:55.28 | d0nets | lolol |
| 02:55.42 | d0nets | that would be a decent start |
| 02:55.47 | Disconnect | how about i send you a link to a great java reference and you make your own freakin tuner |
| 02:56.13 | benley | d0nets: that's fine too, and lots of people benefit greatly from a tuner device |
| 02:56.30 | RyeBrye | I wonder if there are any specs on how reliable the microphone in this thing is |
| 02:56.51 | d0nets | disconnect what do you mean a java reference |
| 02:56.52 | benley | what kind of reliable? |
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| 02:57.05 | elad | god i love thai food |
| 02:57.12 | RyeBrye | As in how good of a mic it is for frequency resolution - max frequency and min frequency etc |
| 02:57.19 | RyeBrye | what is the sample rate of it? |
| 02:57.20 | Disconnect | elad: we've got lemongrass near us. awesome place. |
| 02:57.40 | Disconnect | across the street from my PT office, makes it hard :) |
| 02:58.03 | RyeBrye | If I could make somewhat reliable virtual stroboscope tuner, that would be pretty cool |
| 02:58.41 | benley | it's probably reliable in terms of pitch accuracy, but not as much in terms of harmonics |
| 02:59.20 | d0nets | splashplay is having a guitar app released in early 09 |
| 02:59.22 | d0nets | with a tuner |
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| 02:59.32 | d0nets | i used guitar toolkit on iphone |
| 02:59.34 | RyeBrye | for free? |
| 02:59.43 | d0nets | and gtuner on wm |
| 02:59.46 | d0nets | not sure rye |
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| 03:02.01 | RyeBrye | http://www.wunderware.com/tuner/ |
| 03:02.04 | RyeBrye | I wrote you your tuner |
| 03:02.22 | d0nets | lol |
| 03:02.23 | d0nets | like i said |
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| 03:02.30 | d0nets | ive found tons of web based and pc based tuners |
| 03:02.33 | d0nets | i want one for android |
| 03:02.38 | Disconnect | so fucking write it already |
| 03:03.18 | Chicago | Hi. I need some help. |
| 03:03.19 | d0nets | im trying |
| 03:03.19 | d0nets | lol |
| 03:03.32 | Chicago | I compiled a zImage, a system.img a userdata.img and a ramdisk.img. |
| 03:03.33 | d0nets | i read through lots of stuff last week |
| 03:03.37 | d0nets | on deving for android |
| 03:03.41 | d0nets | im just not experienced enough |
| 03:03.48 | d0nets | but i have 2 java devs helping, but not much |
| 03:03.49 | Chicago | I am trying to put haret and default.txt together so that I can boot into Android. |
| 03:06.25 | Chicago | The problem is, once the kernel starts booting, it errors out with can't find /system/bin/sh ... /system/bin/servicemanager /system/bin/mountd /system/bin/debuggerd etc etc. |
| 03:06.37 | Chicago | How do I make the proper initrd? |
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| 03:13.36 | ErikT | So, is there a way to access the market via the emulator? |
| 03:14.07 | benley | maybe you could steak the market apk from a live device and put it in the emulator? |
| 03:14.08 | michaelnovakjr_ | ErikT: nope |
| 03:14.19 | michaelnovakjr_ | benley: i've tried that, doesn't work |
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| 03:15.20 | ErikT | Michael, not the answer I was looking for, but thanks. ;-) |
| 03:21.27 | wastrel | ebook reader yet? |
| 03:22.20 | unix_remote | wastrel: well, ebook reader basically means pdf, txt, doc reader. |
| 03:24.16 | offby1 | I finally figured out the new UI for allowing my computer to mount the SD card via USB: I click the button that appears when I plug it in -- simple enough. But to _unmount_, there is no UI at all -- I just yank the cable. Weird. |
| 03:25.05 | wastrel | unix_remote: you don't really use ebooks do you? |
| 03:25.14 | wastrel | .mobi, .lit, palmDOC |
| 03:25.30 | benley | offby1: doesn't unmounting the fs on the computer send some 'eject' command that tells the phone it can have its filesystem back? |
| 03:25.36 | unix_remote | wastrel: i try to avoid proprietary formats. |
| 03:25.39 | offby1 | benley: you'd think so, wouldn't you? |
| 03:25.43 | benley | offby1: (I suppose that might depend on what OS you're using) |
| 03:25.52 | offby1 | Ubuntu Ignoble Ingrate |
| 03:26.11 | benley | offby1: I wonder if you could use the "eject" command to send that signal. |
| 03:26.16 | wastrel | umount |
| 03:26.20 | benley | offby1: simply unmounting the filesystem probably won't do it |
| 03:26.24 | languish | You know, the problem I was having earlier, would have driven the usual consumer insane |
| 03:26.39 | offby1 | benley: let's try that. |
| 03:26.39 | benley | offby1: I'm pretty sure my macs do it right when I unmount the thing |
| 03:26.41 | unix_remote | languish: you seem to be having a TON of nonaverage problems. |
| 03:27.00 | languish | unix_remote, no joke |
| 03:27.12 | languish | It's likely I use the device more than others |
| 03:27.23 | languish | I mess with it consistently all day long |
| 03:27.26 | offby1 | haw. "eject" ejected the CD-ROM tray. Can't blame it. Let's see if it takes options ... |
| 03:27.34 | languish | but I only do things average users do |
| 03:27.35 | DarkriftX | languish, you got a minute? |
| 03:27.44 | languish | yea, sup? |
| 03:27.46 | DarkriftX | i got someone who wants to talk to a g1 owner |
| 03:27.48 | DarkriftX | #xda-devs |
| 03:27.52 | languish | sure |
| 03:27.56 | unix_remote | heh, when IRC-ing becomes a part-time job you gotta step back and look at what you're doing. |
| 03:28.06 | michaelnovakjr_ | haha |
| 03:28.54 | offby1 | benley: nope, "eject" didn't do it, despite its successfully unmounting the thing |
| 03:28.54 | languish | :D |
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| 03:29.03 | languish | Well, most of my "work" is done on the phone |
| 03:29.10 | languish | I irc while multi-tasking |
| 03:29.47 | benley | translation: "I work here and there in between irc discussions" |
| 03:30.16 | benley | ^_^ |
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| 03:48.34 | languish | benley, during too :D |
| 03:49.34 | languish | sitting around listening to 3 different roomfulls arguing over insignificant elements of some guys compensation package in singapore doesn't interest me |
| 03:49.48 | benley | oh, ew |
| 03:49.57 | languish | exactly. I'm just required to be on the line |
| 03:50.10 | languish | no one said I have to care |
| 03:50.52 | RyeBrye | Maybe my first app will just be something simple - pick an adjustable sample duration and have it perform an FFT to give the fundamental frequency of whatever is played - and just display that value on the screen as a number (for starters) |
| 03:52.01 | RyeBrye | 2 Hz would be an ok frequency resolution for guitar tuning, right? |
| 03:52.29 | d0nets | ryebrye you doin a guitar tuner? |
| 03:52.33 | RyeBrye | No |
| 03:52.33 | d0nets | wewt |
| 03:52.48 | RyeBrye | but the simple App I create could probably be used to do a guitar tuiner |
| 03:53.09 | d0nets | did you check out those apps on my code.google.com page? |
| 03:53.12 | d0nets | theres a good one |
| 03:53.15 | RyeBrye | Yeah, they were all GPL :P |
| 03:53.17 | d0nets | with a piano tuner too |
| 03:53.25 | d0nets | so twats that mean |
| 03:53.26 | RyeBrye | An FFT-based one will tune anything |
| 03:53.57 | RyeBrye | It means if I bust my ass and decide to make a really sweet tuner, I don't have the option to keep the source to myself for any part of it |
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| 03:54.58 | waldo-g1 | is someone doing a guitar tuner? theres a gpl'd java one somewhere |
| 03:55.06 | RyeBrye | Yeah, there area couple of GPL'ed java ones |
| 03:55.26 | RyeBrye | but a tuner is such easy math that I the hard part isn't that - the hard part is the GUI |
| 03:55.30 | RyeBrye | and that has to be rebuilt anyway |
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| 03:55.50 | RyeBrye | If I'm going to release something, I'd rather just make my own and BSD or MIT license it |
| 03:55.57 | ttuttle | good evening |
| 03:56.07 | waldo-g1 | i guess.. dont need anything overly sophosticated... |
| 03:56.22 | RyeBrye | no, you just sample audio for X seconds - and then you do an FFT on it |
| 03:56.44 | ttuttle | What are you doing? |
| 03:56.48 | waldo-g1 | do it! i'd use it... |
| 03:57.05 | RyeBrye | The first iteration would just be to display the fundamental frequency |
| 03:57.08 | RyeBrye | very basic |
| 03:57.11 | RyeBrye | since I'm new to android |
| 03:57.23 | RyeBrye | I might be able to get that done in one night |
| 03:57.59 | RyeBrye | The problem is that for a more accurate tuner, you need to have a longer sample window - so if you want 1/2 Hz resolution you need 2 seconds of sampled data |
| 03:58.07 | RyeBrye | and a plucked string usually dies out before then |
| 03:58.42 | andyross | So the *real* question is, is a plucked string itself even accurate to a half Hz? :) |
| 03:58.48 | RyeBrye | Well, yeah - it would be |
| 03:59.11 | ttuttle | Hold on... |
| 03:59.18 | RyeBrye | an open string - maybe a beginner guitar player who doesn't know the right pressure could have a variation of more than a half Hz |
| 03:59.22 | ttuttle | You only need 2 seconds of data to get 1/2 Hz resolution if you're just counting cycles. |
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| 03:59.45 | ttuttle | If you actually measure the wavelength, you can get more accurate measurements with a higher sample rate. |
| 04:00.14 | RyeBrye | I was thinking of just doing FFT - which was the easiest way that came to mind |
| 04:00.22 | andyross | ttuttle: No, that's wrong actually. Nyquist proved the opposite. |
| 04:00.34 | ttuttle | andyross: Really? |
| 04:00.48 | ttuttle | andyross: I thought Nyquist proved that to measure a frequency of x Hz, you need a sampling rate of at least 2x Hz. |
| 04:00.49 | RyeBrye | wishes he hadn't sold back his graduate acoustics book |
| 04:01.20 | andyross | reads back, and realizes that he misread RyeBrye. Never mind. |
| 04:01.38 | ttuttle | andyross: Oh, okay. |
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| 04:06.21 | d0nets | ryebrye |
| 04:06.24 | d0nets | thats our plan |
| 04:06.40 | d0nets | my buddy ron said it would take about an hour for him to port |
| 04:06.50 | d0nets | but he would rather use the idea and redo it |
| 04:06.55 | RyeBrye | Yeah, |
| 04:07.03 | d0nets | but same, he looked at how the UI is done in android, and he was complaining |
| 04:07.05 | RyeBrye | porting it is kind of a waste of effor |
| 04:07.24 | d0nets | he asked why google would do such a thing |
| 04:07.47 | d0nets | and i dont have much dev experience, but i was so lost in that area in the code.google.com/android group section |
| 04:09.28 | d0nets | that area = the UI construction |
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| 04:13.03 | wastrel | cd #calibre |
| 04:13.16 | wastrel | well that was totally wrong |
| 04:13.17 | benley | /fail |
| 04:13.21 | d0nets | lol |
| 04:14.18 | muthu | http://blogatech.wordpress.com/2008/11/02/early-adoption-soaring-for-google-android-device/ |
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| 04:19.47 | DarkriftX | anyone know how to get out of bootloader mode on the G1 (not recovery mode) |
| 04:19.57 | benley | pull the battery |
| 04:20.13 | DarkriftX | ouch. |
| 04:20.23 | benley | or connect with fastboot and tell it what to do |
| 04:20.35 | DarkriftX | ? |
| 04:20.38 | benley | nevermind. |
| 04:20.50 | benley | (tool that's not usable with retail devices) |
| 04:20.55 | DarkriftX | ahhhh |
| 04:21.20 | DarkriftX | languish was taking a pic of the bootloader mode and didnt know how to get out, so i thought id ask around lol |
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| 04:22.37 | benley | DarkriftX: what's actually onscreen in the bootloader on the shipping phones? |
| 04:23.02 | DarkriftX | 3 colors, and some basic device info |
| 04:23.10 | DarkriftX | same as most htc devices, but without connection info |
| 04:23.11 | benley | rainbow? |
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| 04:24.20 | DarkriftX | yeah |
| 04:24.20 | offby1 | <whine>the UI for manipulating folders on the desktop sure is fiddly</whine> |
| 04:24.25 | romainguy_ | yes |
| 04:24.26 | romainguy_ | we know |
| 04:24.31 | romainguy_ | but that's the best we found |
| 04:24.36 | romainguy_ | patches welcome :) |
| 04:24.38 | benley | sleeps |
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| 04:24.41 | cmonex | hi all |
| 04:24.49 | DarkriftX | lol, here comes the fun |
| 04:24.52 | cmonex | =) |
| 04:25.00 | cmonex | is there public src for the bootloader for g1? |
| 04:25.02 | romainguy_ | that said the next version of Home will bring a new cool feature for folders :)) |
| 04:25.04 | cmonex | just to confirm the rumour |
| 04:25.05 | romainguy_ | cmonex: no |
| 04:25.10 | cmonex | oh right didnt think so |
| 04:25.15 | cmonex | do you guys have an image of the bootloader |
| 04:25.27 | romainguy_ | yes |
| 04:25.32 | romainguy_ | but you won't get it ;) |
| 04:25.38 | cmonex | i have the one for sapphire only |
| 04:25.55 | cmonex | hopefully its similar enough |
| 04:26.40 | michaelnovakjr_ | what's up with the barcode scanner needing your contacts? |
| 04:26.58 | romainguy_ | michaelnovakjr: it doesn't read your contacts |
| 04:26.58 | michaelnovakjr_ | i appreciate that the market shows you that stuff :) |
| 04:27.01 | romainguy_ | it's to add contacts |
| 04:27.09 | michaelnovakjr_ | romainguy_: for... |
| 04:27.33 | romainguy_ | you can scan a QR barcode (from a visit card) and create a contact from it |
| 04:27.45 | romainguy_ | it's an open source app anyway, so you can check the code |
| 04:28.01 | michaelnovakjr_ | its cool :) looks like a good app |
| 04:28.08 | cmonex | romainguy_: by the way i was told this sapphire ruu was for the g1. this doesn't make sense as dream is the g1 |
| 04:28.40 | romainguy_ | I don't know what this sapphire thing is |
| 04:28.51 | romainguy_ | the g1 is the HTC dream |
| 04:28.57 | cmonex | romainguy_: I received a bootloader image a few weeks ago |
| 04:29.01 | cmonex | i was told it was for g1 |
| 04:29.03 | romainguy_ | from who? |
| 04:29.06 | cmonex | but it says sapphire on the filename |
| 04:29.09 | cmonex | you dont need to know who it was |
| 04:29.13 | romainguy_ | well |
| 04:29.17 | romainguy_ | I work for Google... :) |
| 04:29.22 | cmonex | really :P |
| 04:29.42 | cmonex | then why are you trying to hack their stuff ? :P |
| 04:29.56 | romainguy_ | I'm not trying to hack anything |
| 04:29.57 | RyeBrye | The official google people aren't |
| 04:29.58 | romainguy_ | I work on Android |
| 04:30.00 | RyeBrye | The rest of us are |
| 04:30.04 | cmonex | ah, misunderstood ;) |
| 04:30.28 | cmonex | somehow got the impression you were trying to do that :) |
| 04:31.20 | RyeBrye | Although it will likely benefit the google people if some of us who are prone to hack the kernel were able to be motivated to do so by the ability to do it on our own devices - because they'd probably get some nice patches out of it |
| 04:31.39 | cmonex | hmm |
| 04:31.53 | wastrel | i want an ebook reader and a decent to-do list manager |
| 04:31.56 | cmonex | romainguy_ :if you really work for google: can you tell me if google is really working on getting native code enabling? |
| 04:32.05 | andyross | cmonex: It works right now |
| 04:32.06 | RyeBrye | There is JNI already |
| 04:32.06 | ttuttle | cmonex: romainguy_ does really work for Google. |
| 04:32.18 | DarkriftX | he is the one laughing while we try to hack android |
| 04:32.20 | romainguy_ | cmonex: we are |
| 04:32.26 | ttuttle | DarkriftX: And? |
| 04:32.29 | RyeBrye | either romainguy works for google - or he's done a convincing job stealing the identity of a guy who does and coming on IRC |
| 04:32.29 | ttuttle | DarkriftX: That doesn't mean he doesn't. |
| 04:32.50 | DarkriftX | it was a joke |
| 04:32.56 | DarkriftX | not meant in a bad way |
| 04:33.01 | cmonex | ok way too much of confusing and contradicting rumours - can you currently run native code on g1? |
| 04:33.07 | ttuttle | cmonex: Yes. |
| 04:33.08 | benley | sure. |
| 04:33.09 | cmonex | (I don't have a G1 btw) |
| 04:33.09 | romainguy_ | not officially |
| 04:33.10 | RyeBrye | JNI already works, but it's not supported |
| 04:33.14 | ttuttle | cmonex: Getting it on to the G1 may be difficult, though. |
| 04:33.14 | cmonex | I see |
| 04:33.16 | benley | shit, I said I was going to sleep |
| 04:33.17 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 04:33.19 | benley | goes to sleep |
| 04:33.19 | ttuttle | benley: sleep? |
| 04:33.22 | romainguy_ | so if you do, it's likely to break with a future firmware update |
| 04:33.24 | ttuttle | benley: pfft. |
| 04:33.25 | cmonex | ttuttle: that means ? |
| 04:33.39 | ttuttle | cmonex: There's no mechanism, AFAIK, for installing binaries. |
| 04:33.41 | andyross | Nah, it's easy. Store the .so as a raw resource, write it out to your data directory and call System.load(). |
| 04:33.42 | romainguy_ | (and that sucks for you and the users) |
| 04:33.49 | spikebike | binaries don't have to be signed? |
| 04:33.55 | ttuttle | andyross: Er, that's clumsy. |
| 04:33.56 | romainguy_ | andyross: yeah but that uses more precious data partition space :) |
| 04:34.05 | ttuttle | spikebike: No, but there's no way to install them using an .apk. |
| 04:34.10 | cmonex | romainguy_: I hope google changes policy on this soon then :) |
| 04:34.10 | ttuttle | spikebike: You'd have to write them at runtime. |
| 04:34.17 | cmonex | then there will be a lot more potential in android (IMO of course) |
| 04:34.20 | romainguy_ | cmonex: I told you we're working on it |
| 04:34.24 | romainguy_ | but we want to do it correctly |
| 04:34.26 | RyeBrye | the thing I'm wonderng about with the JNI - obviously you can't use JNI to go frollicking around the internals, right? |
| 04:34.29 | cmonex | I see :) |
| 04:34.29 | andyross | romainguy_: Not if you write it to the tmpfs, I supppose. But it's your platform. |
| 04:34.32 | romainguy_ | RyeBrye: nope |
| 04:34.39 | ttuttle | romainguy_: Why not |
| 04:34.40 | ttuttle | er |
| 04:34.42 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Why not? |
| 04:34.56 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Security still works. |
| 04:35.35 | RyeBrye | So JNI is probably not going to be a good vector for attack on the device |
| 04:36.14 | ttuttle | No. |
| 04:36.16 | ttuttle | They thought of that ;-) |
| 04:36.29 | ttuttle | Multiple layers of security are good. |
| 04:36.33 | DarkriftX | romainguy_, do you know what file the bootloader is looking for? before the colored screen it says "no files found" |
| 04:36.44 | andyross | RyeBrye: take a look at http://plausible.org/andy/NativeAPK-debug.apk , which writes some syscall level inspection to your logcat when it runs. You can touch a lot more than the Java API exposes, but are still limited to your app's uid's access rights. |
| 04:36.58 | RyeBrye | Ok |
| 04:37.26 | romainguy_ | note that using JNI makes getting access to the high level stuff (intents, etc) more annoying |
| 04:37.32 | romainguy_ | because you have to invoke the Java layer |
| 04:37.58 | RyeBrye | so you can't create a C function to go grab memory at arbitratry addresses or write to memory at arbitrary addresses? |
| 04:38.02 | RyeBrye | Darn. :) |
| 04:38.35 | andyross | Not as a non-root user, no. And apps don't run as root. |
| 04:39.12 | RyeBrye | The root user doesn't have a password, right? |
| 04:39.26 | Damm | android |
| 04:39.57 | michaelnovakjr_ | if apps ran as root, i'd be very nervous |
| 04:40.13 | andyross | There's nothing running on the system that would take a password, AFAIK. It's not really unix. There's no login or suid process. Apps get installed into unique uid's by a root installd daemon. |
| 04:40.55 | RyeBrye | Ok |
| 04:40.59 | cmonex | DarkriftX: i suppose its all HTC code for the HBOOT, so dont nag google guys about it. :P |
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| 04:41.18 | DarkriftX | i know, but they tweak stuff too lol |
| 04:41.28 | RyeBrye | cmonex - you poking around at the HTC bootloader piece? |
| 04:41.37 | andyross | I thought we decided a few days ago that the bootloader looked like the google source, didn't we? Source won't help, it takes signed packages. |
| 04:41.40 | cmonex | RyeBrye: its not for the g1 apparently, but yes |
| 04:41.52 | cmonex | (the file was named sapphire, not dream) |
| 04:41.54 | RyeBrye | The bootloader doesn't look like GOogle to me - it looks like HTC to me |
| 04:41.58 | RyeBrye | the Recovery mode definitely looks like google |
| 04:42.01 | cmonex | RyeBrye: correct |
| 04:42.02 | RyeBrye | and it definitely takes signed images |
| 04:42.05 | cmonex | are you familiar with HTC SPL's? |
| 04:42.08 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Some of them don't ;-) |
| 04:42.09 | RyeBrye | No, I'm not |
| 04:42.12 | cmonex | i am :) |
| 04:42.14 | satadru_ | the bootloader looks the same as on my Treo 650 |
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| 04:42.26 | satadru_ | rainbow screen... very HTCish from what I recall |
| 04:42.33 | ttuttle | It is HTC, I believe. |
| 04:43.24 | RyeBrye | cmonex - well, I think you are right to attack that piece of it - since I'm pretty sure that HTC put it in place - but it appears that they disabled the USB port in it when it comes up |
| 04:43.27 | romainguy_ | the bootloader is from HTC |
| 04:43.30 | romainguy_ | nothing to do with us |
| 04:43.36 | RyeBrye | Yeah, which is why we are going after that now :) |
| 04:43.40 | cmonex | romainguy_: then i guessed right. |
| 04:43.49 | romainguy_ | that wasn't a touch guess :) |
| 04:43.49 | cmonex | hmm, RyeBrye you got a G1? |
| 04:43.54 | RyeBrye | cmonex -yes |
| 04:43.55 | ttuttle | loves watching stuff get hacked ;-) |
| 04:43.57 | satadru_ | the boot loader does say serial0 when it comes up |
| 04:44.13 | cmonex | does it ever switch the text to "USB"? |
| 04:44.18 | cmonex | with the usb cable plugged in |
| 04:44.21 | RyeBrye | A google person may have been more helpful than they should have been the otehr day - but they explaiend how their functioning one worked |
| 04:44.27 | satadru_ | I don't recall it switching to USB text |
| 04:44.28 | andyross | Is happy to read the after action reports of stuff being successfully hacked. Reverse engineering makes him feel dirty. |
| 04:44.31 | RyeBrye | and the functioning one DOES switch to "fastboot" |
| 04:44.40 | ttuttle | Yeah, I think it says fastboot instead of USB. |
| 04:44.41 | cmonex | satadru_: would be nice ifyou could check |
| 04:44.50 | RyeBrye | It doesn't say USB at all |
| 04:44.51 | ttuttle | has one that can be fastbooted =D |
| 04:44.57 | satadru_ | cmonex: one sec |
| 04:44.58 | ttuttle | (With *any* image.) |
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| 04:45.06 | cmonex | what do you refer to as "functioning one"? |
| 04:45.12 | DarkriftX | dont tease her like that ttuttle |
| 04:45.15 | RyeBrye | I mean a non-neutered one |
| 04:45.19 | RyeBrye | an engineering one |
| 04:45.19 | DarkriftX | she might hunt you down |
| 04:45.20 | RyeBrye | not a production one |
| 04:45.27 | cmonex | lol DarkriftX |
| 04:45.33 | cmonex | oh right .. |
| 04:45.34 | ttuttle | lol |
| 04:45.44 | DarkriftX | ttuttle has a dev g1, right? |
| 04:45.46 | cmonex | why are only the dev versions called functional? |
| 04:45.49 | cmonex | very intreresting, you see =P |
| 04:45.51 | ttuttle | Hmm... |
| 04:45.57 | ttuttle | is not sure if it's a "dev" one. |
| 04:45.57 | RyeBrye | well - I guess the production ones function |
| 04:46.02 | RyeBrye | they just dont' function the way I want it to :) |
| 04:46.11 | cmonex | so, uh, if the usb is plugged in on a dev device, |
| 04:46.18 | RyeBrye | it will say "Fastboot" |
| 04:46.22 | cmonex | the "serial" text changes to fastboot? or to usb? |
| 04:46.23 | cmonex | ah, ok |
| 04:46.26 | satadru_ | cmonex: plugged in after bootloader loaded |
| 04:46.27 | RyeBrye | but on ours, it just says "Serial0" and nothing shows up on the USB bus |
| 04:46.28 | cmonex | and only on dev devices? |
| 04:46.29 | ttuttle | It's got an unlocked bootloader, so I can flash any image, and it's not SIM-locked, so I can use it on AT&T, and it's configured to receive dogfood (internal testing) builds. |
| 04:46.32 | satadru_ | stays serial0 |
| 04:46.35 | RyeBrye | cmonex -yes |
| 04:46.36 | cmonex | wow, shame |
| 04:46.53 | RyeBrye | It WILL quickly say "Loading... No Image Found!" if oyu hold down power + back home button I think |
| 04:46.56 | RyeBrye | or maybe it's camera button |
| 04:47.08 | RyeBrye | I think they disabled the USB in the bootloader |
| 04:47.19 | RyeBrye | possibly as some final step in QA at the factory |
| 04:47.25 | cmonex | RyeBrye: that is because the bootloader is looking for SD card |
| 04:47.30 | cmonex | wonder if they also disabled SD flashing |
| 04:47.33 | ttuttle | knows production ones can be flashed from SD cards (yeah, cmonex) but you need a signed image. |
| 04:47.34 | RyeBrye | They probably did |
| 04:47.36 | cmonex | (the "Loading" is the SD thingie) |
| 04:47.41 | cmonex | ahh |
| 04:47.42 | cmonex | ok |
| 04:47.49 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - flashed from the rainbow screen or the recovery screen? |
| 04:47.54 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Not sure. |
| 04:47.55 | cmonex | is it the same image as the ota update.zip? |
| 04:47.59 | cmonex | i am talking about rainbow screen |
| 04:48.00 | RyeBrye | yeah |
| 04:48.01 | ttuttle | cmonex: Not sure. |
| 04:48.04 | ttuttle | Try it? |
| 04:48.07 | RyeBrye | no the ota update.zip is on the recovery screen |
| 04:48.08 | cmonex | yeah, can you try =) |
| 04:48.11 | cmonex | I dont have a G1 :) |
| 04:48.12 | RyeBrye | not on the rainbow bootloader |
| 04:48.15 | RyeBrye | I can try |
| 04:48.19 | RyeBrye | I have an update.zip on my SD card right now |
| 04:48.23 | cmonex | ok, cool |
| 04:48.33 | RyeBrye | but I think the onyl way to load it is in the recovery mode (google code) |
| 04:48.35 | ttuttle | So what bootloader shortcuts are there so far? |
| 04:48.40 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Makes sense. |
| 04:49.30 | DarkriftX | power+camera (real bootloader) and power+home (recovery) |
| 04:49.41 | RyeBrye | Yeah, on mine it still says "Loading... No image file!" wiht power + camera then back to a screen with Serial0 |
| 04:49.42 | trigatch4 | DJTachyon - you around? |
| 04:49.47 | RyeBrye | that's with an update.zip on the SD card |
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| 04:50.04 | RyeBrye | It's HBOOT-0.95.0000 |
| 04:50.13 | RyeBrye | the top line reads DREA100 PVT 32B |
| 04:50.47 | DarkriftX | same as languish's |
| 04:51.00 | DarkriftX | what abotu in the middle |
| 04:51.02 | cmonex | so, it looks for diff image :shrug: |
| 04:51.04 | cmonex | lets see something |
| 04:51.17 | RyeBrye | It does power over USB though |
| 04:51.22 | RyeBrye | because I can pull the battery out and it doesn't turn off |
| 04:51.52 | cmonex | i assume it will see file if you name it DREAIMG.NBH =) |
| 04:52.01 | cmonex | but of course it will still need to be the right file format |
| 04:52.16 | trissmo | RyeBrye are you trying to update the G1? |
| 04:52.54 | RyeBrye | cmonex - will it have a check to make sure that the file isn't bogus before it tries to flash? |
| 04:52.56 | cmonex | the NBH also uses rsa signing, so we are not better off :P |
| 04:52.57 | RyeBrye | because I can rename a file to that |
| 04:52.59 | RyeBrye | Oh :( |
| 04:53.02 | cmonex | it does check |
| 04:53.12 | cmonex | (i mean if its bogus or not) |
| 04:53.22 | RyeBrye | I can put a file with that name on and see if it will read that in the SD mode |
| 04:53.25 | cmonex | well, at least try to put a file on it, i want to see if my theory is correct as far as the file name |
| 04:55.23 | RyeBrye | There aren't any ways to create a fake SD card with a microcontroller are there? I was wondering if you could make something that would present itself as an SD card to the OS - let it read the files to verify the signatures - and then replace the files on the SD card with modified versions... (this obviously wont work if it reads them and retains them in memory - and it would be a real pain to do) |
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| 04:56.30 | cmonex | hm, I don't know how google's code works, but rwith HTC |
| 04:56.32 | cmonex | er |
| 04:56.37 | cmonex | with HTC's checking it wouldn't succeed |
| 04:57.01 | RyeBrye | I can look at Google's code - which is nice :) but the verify step is IMMEDIATELY followed by the install step |
| 04:57.22 | ttuttle | 's G1's screen has gained its first scratch :-( |
| 04:57.22 | RyeBrye | so you couldn't swap SD cards on it or anything |
| 04:57.27 | satadru_ | cmonex: no response on dreaimg.nbh according to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=438072 |
| 04:57.31 | ttuttle | Tried to toss it up onto my bed and it landed in a bowl of pasta with a fork. |
| 04:57.46 | languish | ttuttle, you're making me want to get a screen protector |
| 04:57.54 | ttuttle | languish: That's a good idea. |
| 04:57.56 | ttuttle | languish: I should get one. |
| 04:58.02 | DarkriftX | RyeBrye, wouldnt work anyways, the card is mounted |
| 04:58.03 | RyeBrye | Yeah, no image file still with the DREAMIMG.NBH |
| 04:58.03 | spikebike | I bought a t-mobile 10 pack |
| 04:58.06 | languish | romainguy insisted the screens were very resilient and I shouldn't want one |
| 04:58.08 | languish | sucker |
| 04:58.11 | DarkriftX | removing it would not mount the card that was put in next |
| 04:58.29 | ttuttle | languish: they are *quite* resillient. |
| 04:58.32 | andyross | RyeBrye: the hardware hack is clever. I'm pretty sure that SD is clocked at 20MHz or so, so that's not infeasible IMHO to someone with a FPGA and some design experience. |
| 04:58.33 | RyeBrye | darkriftX - the original idea wasn't swapping cards - it was creating a fake card driven by a microcontroller |
| 04:58.34 | ttuttle | languish: This is the first scratch I've ever gotten. |
| 04:58.36 | cmonex | maybe it's because it doesn't like the signing |
| 04:58.42 | cmonex | :shrug: |
| 04:58.47 | ttuttle | spikebike: you got extras? |
| 04:58.48 | languish | ttuttle how long have you had that specific handset? |
| 04:58.54 | ttuttle | languish: Hmm... |
| 04:59.15 | andyross | Then again, it would be completely avoidable just by reading the whole file into memory. There's more RAM on this box than the size of any single flash image. |
| 04:59.38 | RyeBrye | Yes, so they would be able to easily fix it - even if it did do the thing in 2 passes for now |
| 04:59.53 | ttuttle | languish: About 3 weeks, but I left the peel-off thing on for a while. |
| 05:00.06 | ttuttle | languish: The plastic thing scratches really easily, but the screen itself is great. |
| 05:00.14 | andyross | Doesn't matter. The bootloader that shipped can't be replaced OTA, I'm sure. So if you crack the G1, it will stay cracked until replaced by the G2 or whatever. |
| 05:00.27 | ttuttle | andyross: ...how sure are you that it can't be OTAed? |
| 05:00.28 | swetland | andyross: untrue |
| 05:00.30 | RyeBrye | andyross - the recovery mode could be though |
| 05:00.32 | languish | my peel off protector, came applyed sideways. I had to remove it |
| 05:00.34 | RyeBrye | that's Gogole thing |
| 05:00.35 | romainguy_ | andyross: nope |
| 05:00.50 | spikebike | ttuttle they claim they work for a month or so |
| 05:00.50 | languish | then again, my whole damn G1 came a little messed up. |
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| 05:00.57 | RyeBrye | Well... if I did crack it I would be sure that I would prevent OTA updates from running on it |
| 05:00.59 | andyross | Meh. No one's going to push an OTA update to software that will brick the device if it fails. |
| 05:01.04 | ttuttle | spikebike: Ah. |
| 05:01.06 | ttuttle | languish: Oh? |
| 05:01.09 | RyeBrye | andyross - tell that to Apple :) |
| 05:01.15 | ttuttle | Google != Apple. |
| 05:01.23 | RyeBrye | Yeah, true |
| 05:01.53 | RyeBrye | Well.. thankfully we know that T-mobile deploys update with the speed of a sloth on sedatives - so we'd have plenty of time to prepare to avoid one |
| 05:01.54 | languish | ttuttle, yeah... the screenprotector out of the box (pre-order) came applied askew, screatches ont he inside of the back cover, and screws were loose |
| 05:02.09 | languish | i had to tighten them so they didn't fall out |
| 05:02.28 | DarkriftX | thats not like htc |
| 05:02.34 | DarkriftX | yo know they were rushing to get these out |
| 05:02.37 | languish | that's just my luck with this device |
| 05:02.47 | languish | my wife's was in much better shape |
| 05:02.59 | languish | she still has the original screen protector on |
| 05:03.30 | ttuttle | languish: awww |
| 05:03.39 | ttuttle | finds that very odd. |
| 05:03.49 | romainguy_ | ttuttle: shit happens :) |
| 05:03.51 | ErikT | Actually, I had a similar problem with my HTC Touch Cruise, resulted in a nasty scratch. http://erik.thauvin.net/blog/news.jsp?date=2008-02-18#317 |
| 05:03.56 | ttuttle | romainguy_: yeah |
| 05:04.17 | languish | romainguy_, where were you when I needed you :| *whine* *cry* *whimper* :::complain::: |
| 05:04.18 | romainguy_ | ErikT: hey! I know your blog, I used to read it all the time :) |
| 05:04.23 | romainguy_ | languish: :p |
| 05:04.28 | RyeBrye | These files aren't validated: // Don't validate: directories, the manifest, *.RSA, and *.SF. - but that doesn't seem to be relevant, since I don't think they get copied or deployed |
| 05:04.30 | ttuttle | languish: So, you do realize that romainguy_ has a job, right? |
| 05:04.31 | languish | :) |
| 05:04.35 | ErikT | Romain, I know. ;-) |
| 05:04.42 | romainguy_ | lol |
| 05:04.47 | ttuttle | 's G1 is minty fresh. |
| 05:04.48 | languish | ttuttle, on sunday night? |
| 05:04.49 | romainguy_ | ah yes I remember why |
| 05:04.54 | romainguy_ | you had awesome link blogs |
| 05:04.56 | ttuttle | (I tried to use the toothpaste trick to remove the scratch.) |
| 05:04.58 | romainguy_ | and you stopped |
| 05:05.03 | ttuttle | (Turns out the screen is invulnerable to toothpaste.) |
| 05:05.08 | ErikT | Yeah, got tried after 8 yeras. |
| 05:05.16 | romainguy_ | I can understand that :) |
| 05:05.18 | ErikT | tired, even. See I can't type anymore. |
| 05:05.25 | romainguy_ | but I'm still bummed you stopped :) |
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| 05:05.50 | languish | ttuttle http://www.burningissues.net/how_to/scratchrepair/scratchrepair.htm |
| 05:06.01 | languish | ttuttle check that for materials better suited to repaqir a scratch than toothpaste |
| 05:06.52 | RyeBrye | brasso, huh? |
| 05:07.01 | andyross | Tartar control toothpaste? |
| 05:07.02 | RyeBrye | that's what people used on the nanos when they got all scratched up, IIRC |
| 05:07.56 | cmonex | [06:00:16] <andyross> Doesn't matter. The bootloader that shipped can't be replaced OTA, I'm sure. So if you crack the G1, it will stay cracked until replaced by the G2 or whatever. |
| 05:08.08 | cmonex | the HBOOT thing (HTC's bootloader) is perfectly able to update itself |
| 05:08.18 | cmonex | question is will google or htc release an update :) |
| 05:08.20 | ttuttle | It can be flashed like any other partition. |
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| 05:10.12 | RyeBrye | Looking at the recovery.c code it appears that it WOULD be vulnerable to a hardware attack were you clever enough to do the pseudo-SD card that would present the correct file first - and then the hacked file after-the-fact |
| 05:10.26 | RyeBrye | however, that's obviously non-trivial |
| 05:10.40 | RyeBrye | It doesn't cache what it verifies, it just verifies - then installs |
| 05:11.22 | swetland | really? we should fix that ^^ |
| 05:11.24 | swetland | files a bug |
| 05:11.30 | RyeBrye | err |
| 05:11.31 | andyross | Probably not that bad to a hardware person. I know enough to read datasheets, and have looked at older SD versions in the past. It's a simple protocol, and almost certainly doable with a FPGA (which isn't a cheap piece of hardware, so this isn't a mass market crack). |
| 05:11.37 | RyeBrye | what I meant to say was... It would DEFINITELY not work that way |
| 05:11.38 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 05:11.52 | phyburn | aggg how do you use textview in a extender class? |
| 05:11.59 | romainguy_ | what's an extender? |
| 05:12.04 | swetland | I actually thought they took care of that and staged in /tmp to avoid cardswap and other trickery |
| 05:12.11 | phyburn | romainguy_, public class clock extends TimerTask |
| 05:12.20 | phyburn | that for example |
| 05:12.20 | swetland | but there are only so many hours in the day |
| 05:12.21 | romainguy_ | use a Handler |
| 05:12.31 | RyeBrye | swetland - maybe they read from /tmp - I didn't look at it too in depth |
| 05:12.31 | phyburn | handler wont work because I need more than one clock running |
| 05:13.10 | romainguy_ | phyburn: you can have several clocks with one handler |
| 05:13.15 | romainguy_ | messages can have arguments |
| 05:13.16 | phyburn | and I couldn't get the handler to refresh every second |
| 05:13.51 | andyross | phyburn: If you have complicated timer behavior and can't get the existing API to work for you, just spawn a thread to do it and you can have whatever you want. |
| 05:13.55 | phyburn | I could only get it to display the time once, then it never changed |
| 05:14.11 | romainguy_ | phyburn: I told you that already, when you receive the message, send it again |
| 05:14.28 | ttuttle | romainguy_: Hey... if it's got the same version number as a production device, is the hboot on my eng build any different from theirs? |
| 05:14.49 | romainguy_ | ttuttle: no idea |
| 05:14.50 | phyburn | romainguy_, well I didn't know hwo to program send it again |
| 05:15.10 | andyross | strongly suspects that you do it the second time the same way you did it the first. :) |
| 05:15.26 | phyburn | I tried doing that still didn't update it |
| 05:15.37 | phyburn | I also tried making a while statement that was set to always true, it never updated |
| 05:15.39 | romainguy_ | phyburn: Handlers really are the way to go |
| 05:15.44 | romainguy_ | because they are executed on the UI thread |
| 05:15.54 | romainguy_ | with your TimerTask you will need to use a Handler anyway to update the UI on the UI thread |
| 05:15.54 | swetland | ttuttle: not sure if eng/prod hboot actually shows any visible difference in the version numbre |
| 05:15.56 | romainguy_ | so use a Handler |
| 05:16.10 | swetland | but production hboot has fastboot and serial debug stuff disabled |
| 05:16.15 | phyburn | ohh, how do I update the UI thread? maybe that was the problem romainguy_ |
| 05:16.30 | romainguy_ | using a Handler... |
| 05:16.35 | ttuttle | swetland: oh |
| 05:16.40 | romainguy_ | that's why if you use a Handler in the first place, there's no issue |
| 05:16.49 | ttuttle | swetland: Ah, so it would be a bad idea for an eng hboot to be flaoting around then? |
| 05:17.37 | swetland | well, one still needs to flash it, which is the tricky part |
| 05:17.42 | phyburn | romainguy_, is there a method in handler to update the UI thread? |
| 05:17.42 | RyeBrye | yeah |
| 05:17.50 | romainguy_ | phyburn: Handler code runs on the UI thread |
| 05:17.56 | swetland | if they have control over the device such that they can flash the eng hboot, they probably don't *need* the eng hboot anymore |
| 05:18.01 | cmonex | that's correct |
| 05:18.08 | cmonex | it would just be nice to have the binary :) |
| 05:18.36 | RyeBrye | Wouldnt' having the binary make it easier to do a hardware flash on the chip itself? |
| 05:18.42 | RyeBrye | is starting to talk nonsense |
| 05:19.04 | phyburn | romainguy_, well i dont know what I did wrong because it will only display the time once http://pastebin.com/d315b92d5 <-- if you want to look |
| 05:19.57 | romainguy_ | so first of all you pass a null Runnable to the Handler |
| 05:20.02 | romainguy_ | so nothing gets executed |
| 05:20.24 | phyburn | it does display it once |
| 05:20.38 | muthu | phyburn: where's the run()? |
| 05:20.40 | romainguy_ | because you invoke your method clock |
| 05:20.46 | romainguy_ | but you are not passing anything to the Handler |
| 05:20.51 | phyburn | ohhhh |
| 05:21.39 | phyburn | I don't get how I could have it return the time and have it display it |
| 05:21.56 | andyross | phyburn: The confusion here is that you have defined a method to do what you want. This should be named "run()" and be a method of a Runnable object. Instead, you have defined the method to *return* a Runnable and are trying to call it like a factory method. |
| 05:22.24 | romainguy_ | well and that code wouldn't really work as a Runnable because it creates a new TextView and sets teh content view every time |
| 05:22.31 | RyeBrye | Is there any way to dump the HTC bootloader off? |
| 05:22.43 | RyeBrye | i.e. get the image of the one on the production phones? |
| 05:23.02 | phyburn | romainguy_, what is a better way to output the time then? |
| 05:23.03 | ErikT | Is there a 'smaller' (real-estate-wise) version of android.R.layout.simple_spinner_dropdown_item? |
| 05:23.17 | phyburn | andyross, so should I add public void run(){ method } ? |
| 05:23.19 | romainguy_ | phyburn: just set the text on your textview |
| 05:23.26 | andyross | RyeBrye: There might be some debug solder pads, I guess. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the flash for the bootloader was on the SoC itself. |
| 05:23.34 | muthu | ErikT: try activity_list_item |
| 05:23.39 | romainguy_ | ErikT: no, because this one has the appropriate size for the touch screen |
| 05:23.56 | andyross | phyburn: I think you need to step back a little and work on your core java skills. Maybe work through a threading tutorial so you can get used to the idea of creating a custom Runnable subclass. |
| 05:24.00 | romainguy_ | you can make it smaller if you wish, but that's just gonna make your UI annoying to use :) |
| 05:24.34 | phyburn | lol The UI is just going to be clocks and random other text that isn't editable |
| 05:24.38 | muthu | yeah, i did use a smaller list item.. but changed back to default because its too small to touch |
| 05:24.52 | RyeBrye | andyross - I was looking for something easier to get the image of the bootloader off :) |
| 05:25.03 | ErikT | Romain, it's a little overwhelming when you have a long list of items, IMHO. |
| 05:25.42 | romainguy_ | ErikT: and yet, that really is the size you want to drive the UI with a finger |
| 05:26.34 | romainguy_ | ErikT: it will also keep your UI consistent with the rest of the system |
| 05:26.38 | romainguy_ | but again, you can do it if you want |
| 05:26.49 | romainguy_ | I'll just poke you in the eyes if you do and release the app on Market :)) |
| 05:26.56 | muthu | haha |
| 05:27.00 | phyburn | romainguy_, what do you mean set the text on your textview isn't that what I'm doing? |
| 05:27.09 | muthu | going with the default would make sense most of the time |
| 05:27.12 | romainguy_ | you create a new TextView and set it as a content view |
| 05:27.14 | romainguy_ | that's fine |
| 05:27.23 | RyeBrye | If I could get a binary dump of the bootloader, I could load it into IDA pro and poke around and see what it is doing behind the scenes |
| 05:27.26 | romainguy_ | but when you update the clock the next time, you need to call setText() on the TextView insitead |
| 05:27.34 | cmonex | RyeBrye: no good, |
| 05:27.41 | cmonex | even that SD HTC method uses RSA key for the NBH file |
| 05:27.46 | cmonex | it is well known from xda-devs forum |
| 05:28.06 | cmonex | you can only crack the windows mobile pdas because the hw in the OS is easily accessible |
| 05:28.29 | RyeBrye | Damn |
| 05:29.08 | swetland | I've always wondered about that -- how does the haret.exe work? does winmo just let anything run in supervisor mode or are there per version/device exploits for drivers or whatnot to accomplish that? |
| 05:29.40 | phyburn | romainguy_, okay and finally how do I get the handler to run more than once becuase it set to only run once after 1 second |
| 05:29.40 | cmonex | swetland it works because windows mobile lets you access anything |
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| 05:29.55 | romainguy_ | phyburn: in the code that runs in the handler, just post the code again in the handler :)) |
| 05:30.08 | romainguy_ | (and have something somewhere that makes it stop) |
| 05:30.09 | muthu | phyburn: sendmessage(delayed) in handler#handlemessage() |
| 05:30.21 | ErikT | If anybody's interested I wrote a small batch file to sign/verify apks, which I think pretty nify... http://erik.thauvin.net/wiki/x/AgCtAQ |
| 05:30.40 | phyburn | romainguy_, ah okay |
| 05:31.01 | phyburn | romainguy_, why does it need to return something? I just need whats inside clock() to run |
| 05:31.17 | romainguy_ | ErikT: cool, I did something similar in my Ant build files generated by activitycreator |
| 05:31.17 | romainguy_ | I should add that to the SDK |
| 05:31.30 | romainguy_ | phyburn: I never talked about returning anything |
| 05:31.31 | muthu | yeah, we need that |
| 05:31.46 | romainguy_ | the Eclipse plugin will have a signing feature soon |
| 05:31.47 | ErikT | I was going to do a ant file too, but this you can drag/drop files to, which is very nice. |
| 05:32.09 | phyburn | romainguy_, so it doesn't matter if I ahve it return null? |
| 05:32.14 | romainguy_ | argh |
| 05:32.15 | romainguy_ | yes it does |
| 05:32.25 | romainguy_ | because you use that return value and pass it to the Handler |
| 05:32.33 | romainguy_ | but the Handler won't do anything with this "null" value |
| 05:32.35 | muthu | ErikT: nooo.. we want a shell version ;) |
| 05:32.49 | ErikT | I want and IDEA version, but that's me. ;-) |
| 05:33.05 | romainguy_ | phyburn: I agree with andyross, you should really step back a little, understand some basic concepts (like Threads, Runnable, Handler, etc.) and come back to tyour code |
| 05:33.08 | muthu | hows IDEA 8? |
| 05:33.09 | romainguy_ | ErikT: me too |
| 05:33.26 | ErikT | Didn't see anything about Android in the IDEA 8 announcement. |
| 05:33.29 | romainguy_ | ErikT: that's why I use activitycreator/ant files, I just bind a key shortcut to the reinstall target in IDEA |
| 05:33.41 | muthu | yeah, they seem to avoid android |
| 05:33.42 | romainguy_ | there's not much else that I need actually |
| 05:33.49 | phyburn | romainguy_, agg I got it all working normaly but when I tried to move it to android it failed =( but yeah Ill read up |
| 05:33.51 | romainguy_ | muthu: they probably have more important things to do |
| 05:33.59 | muthu | agree |
| 05:34.03 | RyeBrye | Hmm... I thought Google people said that they thought that this device would be hacked relatively quickly... |
| 05:34.06 | RyeBrye | I guess they were being smug |
| 05:34.17 | romainguy_ | no, we just overestimated you guys :p |
| 05:34.18 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: /me said he hoped it would be, so people can play with it. |
| 05:34.27 | romainguy_ | :runrun: |
| 05:34.29 | ErikT | Are the XDA guys already working on it? |
| 05:34.37 | ErikT | They know a lot about the boot loaders, etc. |
| 05:34.44 | ErikT | but they're WinMo guys though. |
| 05:34.49 | RyeBrye | I'm a n00b to phone hacking, so I'm not going to be super useful |
| 05:35.08 | RyeBrye | I'm decent at ARM disassembly - but that doesn't seem to be relevant to this so far |
| 05:35.20 | RyeBrye | (since we have the whole code for the OS, I don't think disassembly will matter anyway) |
| 05:35.41 | cmonex | RyeBrye apparently we dont have code for the bootloader itself, not even the binary.. |
| 05:35.47 | RyeBrye | True |
| 05:35.52 | RyeBrye | the HTC bootloader we lack code or a binary for |
| 05:35.56 | ErikT | Don't think we have the SIM lock code. ;-) |
| 05:36.03 | ErikT | That's what I want. ;-) |
| 05:36.14 | cmonex | btw where did you deal with ARM before? |
| 05:36.20 | RyeBrye | CHDK |
| 05:36.23 | RyeBrye | canon camera tinkering |
| 05:36.24 | cmonex | ErikT... in the very distant future :P |
| 05:36.44 | cmonex | btw ErikT if you boot to this tricolour screen, what HBOOT and radio version do you have? |
| 05:37.08 | cmonex | (use camera + power to get there) |
| 05:37.10 | ttuttle | ErikT: 1. There's not one lock code. 2. It's just as hard as any other phone. |
| 05:37.38 | RyeBrye | 3. It wont be worked on as hard as other phones since T-mobile will just give them out to most people who would care |
| 05:39.14 | RyeBrye | Although that's not entirely true - I don't think we have the source for the radio stuff |
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| 05:40.46 | muthu | is resetting market download stats for new version normal? |
| 05:41.06 | muthu | people are complainin about it |
| 05:41.06 | romainguy_ | yeah |
| 05:41.10 | romainguy_ | they come back after a while |
| 05:41.17 | romainguy_ | but the team's working on better support for this |
| 05:41.18 | muthu | they come back? |
| 05:41.21 | romainguy_ | yeah |
| 05:41.36 | muthu | the whole android market needs to be revamped |
| 05:41.46 | muthu | take a look at slideme for reference ;) |
| 05:42.11 | ErikT | Romain, is there a way to scroll the spinners using letters on the keyboard? |
| 05:42.25 | romainguy_ | not without expanding it |
| 05:42.30 | romainguy_ | and when it's expanded... not yet :) |
| 05:43.44 | ErikT | I'd hate to have your to-do lists. ;-) |
| 05:44.07 | romainguy_ | you have no idea :) |
| 05:44.31 | cmonex | RyeBrye: good luck trying to get hold of source for qualcomm radio crap |
| 05:44.38 | cmonex | you wont even get the datasheets.. |
| 05:44.40 | cmonex | :/ |
| 05:44.48 | RyeBrye | What kind of processor does it run on? |
| 05:44.54 | romainguy_ | ErikT: patches welcome though ;-)) |
| 05:44.56 | RyeBrye | Isn't radio.img the piece that drives it? |
| 05:45.12 | RyeBrye | If I knew how to load it into IDA pro, I could probably diassemble it |
| 05:46.05 | RyeBrye | I just kind of guessed at how to load it - and there is a TON of strings in there identifiying the methods |
| 05:47.03 | cmonex | RyeBrye: the ARM9 part of the MSM7201A |
| 05:47.17 | cmonex | radio.img must first be split into partitions |
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| 05:47.25 | cmonex | seems standard qc radio to me, so i've done that already |
| 05:47.45 | RyeBrye | cool |
| 05:49.40 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Did you find the BREW ones? ;-) |
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| 05:50.21 | phyburn | romainguy_, andyross it makes me QQ that I open my book and start reading multithreading chap and it has examples of exactly what I've been trying to do the last two days =( lol |
| 05:54.47 | gambler | romainguy_, if I want to put beanshell or groovy on the phone, which would you reccomend? |
| 05:54.50 | gambler | All I need is Eval("import android.widget.*; public void DoX(Activity a) { /* misc ui code */ }"); to run ok. |
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| 05:55.11 | RyeBrye | what kernel version is android based on? 2.6.25.what? |
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| 05:56.55 | RyeBrye | andyross - do you work for google? |
| 05:56.55 | spikebike | 2.6.25-01828-g18ac882 |
| 05:56.57 | RyeBrye | thanks |
| 05:57.02 | spikebike | for rc19 |
| 05:57.59 | Damm | gosh people still run rc19? |
| 05:58.59 | spikebike | pleads to the OTA gods |
| 05:59.50 | RyeBrye | spikebike - just do the SD card thing - much easier |
| 05:59.54 | ttuttle | spikebike: yeah, SD++ |
| 06:00.01 | spikebike | yeah, tempting, even got an 8GB card in |
| 06:00.07 | ttuttle | has one too. 8 GB is nice. |
| 06:00.16 | RyeBrye | it's easy |
| 06:00.20 | RyeBrye | tons of us have done it |
| 06:00.20 | spikebike | but I kinda want to upgrade to the best upgrade google/tmo has |
| 06:00.22 | RyeBrye | no bricks |
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| 06:00.26 | RyeBrye | It's RC29 |
| 06:00.28 | ttuttle | yeah, it won't let you brick it |
| 06:00.32 | ttuttle | oh btw i've got RC30 ;-) |
| 06:00.36 | RyeBrye | What? |
| 06:00.45 | ttuttle | (It's not out yet. Remember, I'm a tester.) |
| 06:00.48 | RyeBrye | RC30 isn't an OTA update though |
| 06:00.56 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: For me it was. |
| 06:00.58 | spikebike | if google posted the versions, feature, and a recommended version I'd do it |
| 06:01.13 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - who did you sleep with? |
| 06:01.18 | spikebike | I don't want to hear tomorrow that there's an issue and they stopped distributing RC29 |
| 06:01.19 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Nobody. |
| 06:01.36 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: I was an intern this summer, so they sent me a free phone under the "friends and family" testing program. |
| 06:01.46 | RyeBrye | lucky you |
| 06:01.47 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: So I get "dogfood" builds so I can report bugs and stuff. |
| 06:01.57 | spikebike | If I thought being on 3G would help I'd go hang out in a 3g area |
| 06:01.58 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Yeah, it's pretty nice. |
| 06:02.15 | ttuttle | spikebike: OTA works just as well over wifi as over 3G or EDGE. |
| 06:02.19 | ttuttle | spikebike: It's faster, of course. |
| 06:02.23 | spikebike | woah, wifi? |
| 06:02.30 | RyeBrye | yeah |
| 06:02.33 | RyeBrye | it's not really OTA |
| 06:02.33 | ttuttle | spikebike: Um, yeah. |
| 06:02.34 | spikebike | the g1 calls home occasionally? |
| 06:02.38 | RyeBrye | Yep |
| 06:02.47 | spikebike | ah, I had assumed it was cellular only |
| 06:02.48 | RyeBrye | you can force it to call home all you want if you use anycut to put a shortcut to device info |
| 06:02.55 | RyeBrye | No, but T-mobile thinks it is because they are retarded |
| 06:03.14 | spikebike | and might calling home trigger an update? |
| 06:03.17 | RyeBrye | well... not all of T-mobile thinks it is - but I saw a post where one support guy said it was |
| 06:03.23 | RyeBrye | Yeah, it checks for updates |
| 06:03.28 | RyeBrye | and if your number is up, it gives you one |
| 06:03.35 | spikebike | ah, I'll pull up anycut |
| 06:03.47 | spikebike | that would make my night |
| 06:04.30 | Damm | 0there was actually a nice post on the xda-developers about the G1 calling home |
| 06:04.30 | Damm | s/0// |
| 06:04.30 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - did you have to sign any kind of NDA or something? |
| 06:04.30 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Yeah. |
| 06:04.30 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: I obviously can't share the builds. |
| 06:04.30 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - Oh, so you probably can't sniff out the address of the next build :) |
| 06:04.30 | Damm | ttuttle, dogfood is signed or nay? |
| 06:04.30 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Nope. |
| 06:04.31 | RyeBrye | I wouldn't want the build - just the URL for the build :P |
| 06:04.41 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Same thing, as far as suing me would be concerned. |
| 06:04.51 | RyeBrye | yeah |
| 06:04.53 | RyeBrye | probably true |
| 06:04.59 | ttuttle | Damm: Of course it is signed. |
| 06:05.08 | Damm | ttuttle, well your G1 might allow unsigned builds |
| 06:05.16 | RyeBrye | his does |
| 06:05.17 | ttuttle | Damm: Yes, it does. |
| 06:05.18 | spikebike | I get checkin_success |
| 06:05.24 | RyeBrye | yeah |
| 06:05.31 | RyeBrye | it will say that unless your number is up |
| 06:05.34 | Damm | yawns and goes to bed |
| 06:05.34 | RyeBrye | just do the SD card |
| 06:05.40 | spikebike | there is a requested build type, what's that for? |
| 06:05.52 | spikebike | (I.e. an empty field) |
| 06:05.53 | RyeBrye | otherwise you might be waiting until November 12th or something for your USB notifier to appear |
| 06:05.59 | RyeBrye | I don't know |
| 06:06.03 | ttuttle | Do the SD card thing. |
| 06:06.24 | spikebike | usb notifier? |
| 06:06.25 | phyburn | what is the point in TextView(context) ? =( |
| 06:06.39 | spikebike | check's the wife phone |
| 06:06.46 | RyeBrye | spikebike - you get a notifier when you plug the USB cable in |
| 06:06.51 | RyeBrye | or a notification rather |
| 06:06.57 | RyeBrye | that's really the only visible difference |
| 06:07.08 | Damm | RyeBrye, I get better signal strength. |
| 06:07.23 | RyeBrye | oh, and it also lies about signal strength now too ;) |
| 06:07.33 | ttuttle | Oh? |
| 06:07.38 | RyeBrye | j/k |
| 06:07.46 | RyeBrye | I don't know what it does about signal strength |
| 06:08.28 | ismarc | on USB it probably detects A/C power and ups the output power on the phone, which will give it a clearer signal back to the tower |
| 06:08.32 | romainguy_ | who was having issues with Red Alert 3 install code? |
| 06:08.35 | spikebike | there's rumors of smoother |
| 06:08.52 | spikebike | and I'd hope a few less bugs |
| 06:09.01 | RyeBrye | I still see plenty of bugs |
| 06:09.03 | spikebike | I'm hoping contact groups work |
| 06:09.13 | spikebike | and switching from wifi <-> cellular and back |
| 06:09.16 | RyeBrye | nope |
| 06:09.21 | RyeBrye | that still doesn't seem to work properly |
| 06:09.55 | RyeBrye | the home screen locks up for 30 seconds+ if you go from a browser with multiple windows open -> home screen |
| 06:10.27 | RyeBrye | (if those windows are busy loading at least) |
| 06:11.29 | spikebike | I'm pondering turing the g1 into a hardware authentication token |
| 06:11.41 | ttuttle | spikebike: Oooh! |
| 06:11.41 | Zigner | Is there anyone working on a tethering app? |
| 06:11.51 | ttuttle | Zigner: No, it pretty much requires root access. |
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| 06:12.11 | gambler | Zigner, whats a tethering app? |
| 06:12.34 | Zigner | gambler: using the phone like a modem. |
| 06:12.46 | ttuttle | 's Samsung Sync can do that. |
| 06:12.55 | RyeBrye | any decent phone can do that |
| 06:13.01 | ttuttle | glares at RyeBrye. |
| 06:13.02 | gambler | I disagree...pretty sure you can do it without root. |
| 06:13.18 | RyeBrye | My piece of shit Sony Ericcson T610 that's worth $0.50 right now can tether over bluetooth |
| 06:13.26 | ttuttle | gambler: You can pass arbitrary TCP/IP packets as a non-root user on Linux? |
| 06:13.27 | RyeBrye | Sure, it's only EDGE - but I'm in an EDGE area only |
| 06:13.42 | cmonex | heh, got a t610 here too.. but gprs only :O |
| 06:13.47 | RyeBrye | oh |
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| 06:13.59 | RyeBrye | maybe it is gprs only... not edge - it was a long tie |
| 06:13.59 | ismarc | Should be relatively simple to do without root, but you'd need a VPN like client for the computer |
| 06:14.01 | tmzt | cmonex: hi |
| 06:14.04 | RyeBrye | err long time ago |
| 06:14.07 | gambler | ttuttle, is this a trick question? I say yes |
| 06:14.19 | Zigner | is there a wiki up anywhere that has info other than the marketing fluff thats plastered all over the internet? |
| 06:14.20 | RyeBrye | the point is - tethering isn't rocket science, and disabling it on the G1 sucks |
| 06:14.23 | ttuttle | gambler: The answer is no, I think. |
| 06:14.27 | cmonex | hi tmzt :D |
| 06:14.32 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: So, T-Mobile sells unlimited Internet on the G1 for $25. |
| 06:14.44 | tmzt | gambler: you have to be 100x or something |
| 06:14.47 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: That's not intended for tethering, and the G1 is exclusive to T-Mobile, so why bother adding it? |
| 06:14.59 | ismarc | Zigner: source.android.com is where I go when I have questions |
| 06:15.01 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - I paid $ |
| 06:15.10 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: I totally understand that. |
| 06:15.19 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: But why would T-Mobile want it to have tethering? |
| 06:15.25 | tmzt | Zigner: like what information? |
| 06:15.35 | RyeBrye | Why not charge extra for a tethering-capable plan? |
| 06:15.45 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Too complicated, and people will always try to cheat and use the cheap one. |
| 06:15.57 | cmonex | american providers are weird.. |
| 06:16.08 | cmonex | in europe no one would think of disabling tethering |
| 06:16.13 | ttuttle | cmonex: Yeah, sorry. |
| 06:16.24 | ttuttle | cmonex: I wish it were different. |
| 06:16.41 | cmonex | hmm.. |
| 06:16.51 | gambler | ismarc, yeah thats what I was thinking. You could probably use something like the OpenVPN client if you were lazy |
| 06:16.52 | cmonex | someone said the phone is hackable to get root though no? :P |
| 06:16.56 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - and it's not 'unlimited' - it's just got an undisclosed cap |
| 06:16.57 | DarkriftX | lol, when i got my wizard i had no data plan |
| 06:16.59 | Zigner | tmzt: things like, what devices do we have access to with the SDK, what hardware are we locked out of. |
| 06:17.01 | DarkriftX | but i always had internet |
| 06:17.11 | DarkriftX | free, never got a bill for it |
| 06:17.11 | ttuttle | cmonex: Oh? That would be news to me. |
| 06:17.12 | RyeBrye | cmonex - no known root exploits exist yet |
| 06:17.17 | ttuttle | DarkriftX: nice |
| 06:17.22 | ismarc | gambler: It'd probably be easier than writing one the "right way" |
| 06:17.44 | cmonex | ttuttle: i meant that some google dev hinted at the possibility |
| 06:17.46 | ttuttle | I'm hoping for a root exploit, but unfortunately I can't help, as I wish to be employed by Google in the future. |
| 06:17.47 | cmonex | dont know if that was a joke |
| 06:17.52 | RyeBrye | they probably were joking |
| 06:17.53 | DarkriftX | ttuttle, we think it had somthing to do with activating the sim in a cheap non data capable phone then moving it to the wizard |
| 06:18.08 | ttuttle | cmonex: I think they were saying they expected someone to hack it. |
| 06:18.10 | ttuttle | DarkriftX: Ah. |
| 06:18.21 | ttuttle | DarkriftX: Then the phone company is dumb. They only disable data if you have a data-capable phone? |
| 06:18.29 | tmzt | you are basically asking for a root exploit in linux, this isn't windows ce |
| 06:18.51 | RyeBrye | the problem with the root exploits is you also need to find a way to run it... |
| 06:18.53 | ttuttle | Sure, but there are services that need to run as root. It's likely possible, just *very* hard compared to WinCE. |
| 06:19.17 | cmonex | wince got no security :) |
| 06:19.30 | RyeBrye | I'm not sure which is easier - some kind of elevation of privileges exploit or hacking one of the root programs |
| 06:19.45 | ttuttle | I'd guess the second, since the kernel has been around longer. |
| 06:20.27 | RyeBrye | Well, there are plenty of root exploits that might work - but they probably use pieces that aren't used in the android kernel |
| 06:20.27 | ismarc | tmzt: see http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5092, affects all kernels between 2.6.17 and 2.6.24.1...linux is not foolproof |
| 06:20.50 | RyeBrye | is that the vmslice one? |
| 06:20.52 | ismarc | yeah |
| 06:21.01 | tmzt | this is 2.6.25 |
| 06:21.14 | ttuttle | I'm pretty sure they didn't ship a kernel with any known root exploits. |
| 06:21.20 | tmzt | no one said that linux is perfect, just that you guys are looking for a root exploit |
| 06:21.21 | Zigner | ismarc: I was just going to say: keep an eye on the patches & holes in the kernel.. |
| 06:21.50 | tmzt | you can put a ce device in SVC mode or even boot another os (like linux and android) |
| 06:22.22 | p1mrx | well, it's not *just* a root exploit. you do have physical access to the hardware. |
| 06:22.32 | RyeBrye | Right |
| 06:22.40 | tmzt | local exploit |
| 06:22.42 | RyeBrye | but that doesn't do much good - it's not like you can swap the HD out or something |
| 06:23.05 | RyeBrye | it does do some good, don't get me wrong - but it's not as helpful as it is with other more modular systems |
| 06:23.55 | DarkriftX | ttuttle, not sure, but i didnt want to find out by asking them |
| 06:23.57 | p1mrx | well, it's just the idea that it's theoretically possible for a remote system to not be exploitable. for something you have physical access to, all you need is a perfect matter manipulator. |
| 06:24.02 | spikebike | the difficulty is gaining root with android is exactly what would make it such a good authentication device |
| 06:25.02 | spikebike | p1mrx even with perfect matter manipulator all the phone would need is a instabrick when it detects the manipulator |
| 06:25.17 | ismarc | I think if you really wanted to root it, it would be a hand-crafted (or code assisted crafted) dex file |
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| 06:25.37 | spikebike | well it's apossible to have a secure bootchain |
| 06:25.42 | p1mrx | spikebike: so the first thing you manipulate is the instrabrick unit. perfect matter manipulation isn't rocket science. |
| 06:25.45 | ismarc | getting the right offsets would be hard, but would just take time |
| 06:26.17 | RyeBrye | I wonder if the emulator would help at all with that |
| 06:26.21 | cmonex | spikebike: great example for that is MSM7201 itself :P |
| 06:26.23 | swetland | ismarc: system security does not actually depend on the vm in any way |
| 06:26.39 | cmonex | it boots off a non modifiable chip, that only accepts signed image for second boot stage |
| 06:26.41 | phyburn | how can I get TextView(context) to work in a class that implements Runnable (public class myclass implements Runnable{}) |
| 06:26.46 | swetland | the assumption is any app could make any syscall and that security must be enforced at the kernel/process level |
| 06:26.47 | ismarc | swetland: I know, but because the file is expected to be in a "perfect" format, you could easily escalate privelages |
| 06:27.40 | p1mrx | ismarc: that's like saying you can get root on $random_system by installing your own JRE |
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| 06:28.48 | ismarc | p1mrx: the difference is that with the dalvik vm, there's no just-in-time compiler, so it doesn't have any knowledge of the code except for what's given in the file |
| 06:29.32 | p1mrx | but if the VM doesn't have root privileges, what good is breaking it? |
| 06:30.26 | p1mrx | doesn't the android security model let you run compiled machine code anyway? |
| 06:30.45 | RyeBrye | Yeah, JNI stuff |
| 06:32.48 | spikebike | A friend heard that there's a group inside google working on a native SDK |
| 06:32.52 | Zigner | ttuttl: Arn't applications allowed access to the internet ( via wifi and/or cell network ) ? |
| 06:32.55 | spikebike | nfi if it will see the lgiht of day |
| 06:37.01 | ttuttle | Zigner: Yes. |
| 06:37.16 | ttuttle | Zigner: But they can only open regular sockets. |
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| 06:38.45 | Zigner | i'm looking through android.net.wifi, and it doesnt look like it will let you do much with it.. |
| 06:39.43 | DarkriftX | any google devs got an opinion on how the first breakthrough in hacking the g1 will come? |
| 06:40.06 | cbeust | Sure: late |
| 06:40.17 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 06:40.27 | cbeust | I'm disappointed in the hacking community to be honest |
| 06:40.34 | cbeust | thought it would already be hacked by now |
| 06:40.47 | DarkriftX | what led you to that thought? |
| 06:40.55 | DarkriftX | specific weakness? |
| 06:41.03 | spikebike | it's not that hard to make it rather difficult to hack |
| 06:41.07 | RyeBrye | Are you offended it's not being attacked as viciously as the iphone? |
| 06:41.09 | cbeust | No, a complex system |
| 06:41.10 | Zigner | I'm not real familiar with sockets programming - I'm geussing that means that you can't do any sort of routing with in/out packets? |
| 06:41.26 | spikebike | even the iphone 3g just recently got fully hacked.. right? |
| 06:41.36 | RyeBrye | no, it's still not unlocked in software |
| 06:41.45 | DarkriftX | anyone who watches will notice the iphone's sales jump the week after they get jailbroken |
| 06:41.58 | ttuttle | Zigner: No, you can just open sockets. |
| 06:42.00 | DarkriftX | im hoping for the same |
| 06:42.15 | DarkriftX | more ppl using android means more programs, more developers, more phones |
| 06:42.38 | DarkriftX | i also know that lots of wm users use it because its easily hacked |
| 06:42.55 | DarkriftX | give xda-devs a week and any htc wm phone can be reflashed |
| 06:43.09 | RyeBrye | Yeah... too bad there isn't a WM version of the Dream |
| 06:43.34 | spikebike | maybe we should all switch to a different htc phone ;-) |
| 06:43.47 | spikebike | it woudl be ironic if a WM htc was the best android phone |
| 06:44.07 | DarkriftX | i want android on my axim x51 :( |
| 06:44.13 | DarkriftX | was told not to hold my breath |
| 06:44.21 | cbeust | You mean an HTC phone currently running WM but reflashed with Android? |
| 06:44.28 | RyeBrye | Yeah |
| 06:44.31 | spikebike | yeah |
| 06:44.41 | DarkriftX | cbeust, its been done twice now (not the reflashing though, using haret) |
| 06:44.52 | swetland | the hard part is the last 10% |
| 06:44.56 | spikebike | or maybe the treo pro (with the same qualcomm 7201 on board) |
| 06:44.57 | DarkriftX | yeah |
| 06:44.59 | swetland | getting power management to a production quality state, etc |
| 06:45.10 | DarkriftX | pm and radio are the first failures |
| 06:45.28 | DarkriftX | then usb poses a problem for lots |
| 06:45.30 | swetland | which is trickier because currently the radio firmware is different between wm and linux |
| 06:45.34 | Tauno | I see that you have been busy this weekend - > 400 new mails in android-x groups instead of the usual ~150 mails in the past weekends. The android dev.base is growing rapidly it seems :) |
| 06:45.49 | Tauno | goes off reading emails for the next 45 minutes... |
| 06:47.57 | phyburn | what is the point of the context in: TextView(Context context) |
| 06:48.08 | phyburn | the textview constructor* |
| 06:48.58 | cbeust | Necessary to look up a bunch of stuff like themes |
| 06:50.18 | phyburn | what would I put if I needed to use textview in "public class myClass implements Runnable" |
| 06:50.36 | cbeust | Pass your activity |
| 06:53.19 | Zigner | ttuttle: mind if i ask a few more q's about the socket library? |
| 06:59.43 | RyeBrye | DarkriftX - still around? |
| 06:59.50 | RyeBrye | you have the URL for that RC29 testing build version? |
| 07:04.41 | RyeBrye | Any idea what size key the HTC key uses? |
| 07:06.32 | phyburn | cbeust, I'm trying to past my activity but it doesn't seem to be working is it in the formate com.myactivity? |
| 07:07.09 | cbeust | phyburn: it looks like you might need to read up on some Java basics, are you a beginner? |
| 07:08.09 | cbeust | Also, take a look at the tutorial, they should help you |
| 07:08.11 | phyburn | yeah but that's how I set my project up com.myactivity |
| 07:22.07 | Tauno | phyburn, your com.myactivity class should extend the class android.app.Activity -> then you can create a TextView from your com.myactivity class with new TextView(this). You might consider learning some JAVA and Android basics before :) http://java.sun.com/developer/onlineTraining/Programming/BasicJava1/ and http://code.google.com/android/intro/hello-android.html are a start for example :) |
| 07:34.12 | phyburn | Tauno, oh no I can access TextView in my main class file because it extends Activity but I made anther class file for my runnable interface and I don't know how to access TextView my runnable class is http://pastebin.com/d131652c9 |
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| 07:39.13 | Tauno | you have to pass the context (your Activity) to the clock class somehow.. and you also can't call setContentView() from this class since this is also a method from the Activity class |
| 07:42.37 | phyburn | Tauno, Yeah I extended the activity class in that file i forgot to, but I don't know how to import the textview into the clock class =( |
| 07:46.01 | Tauno | from where are you creating your clock class? If it's from your extendex Activity, then just call it like this: new Clock(this); and implement a constructor in the clock class: private Context context; public clock(Context context) { this.context = context;}..... and in your run method: TextView tv = new TextView(context); |
| 07:48.07 | Tauno | but I still suggest that you read some Java beginners articles first as your code is ... messy (class names should begin with uppercase letters etc..). no offence :) |
| 07:48.30 | phyburn | I always like makign the second word upper case such as clockClass |
| 07:48.38 | phyburn | i think its easier to read=) |
| 07:48.48 | phyburn | but yeah I'm still learnign! |
| 07:49.42 | phyburn | Tauno, http://pastebin.com/d7624324c <-- see I just added public class clock extends Activity |
| 07:50.21 | waldo_ | i still don't get what this "runnable" thing is in java |
| 07:50.23 | waldo_ | is it just a thread? |
| 07:50.35 | phyburn | its going to be a thread |
| 07:50.56 | phyburn | its going to be a clock eventaully |
| 07:52.44 | romainguy_ | waldo_: a Runnable is just a way to pass a block of code to be run by other methods/classes/etc. |
| 07:53.00 | romainguy_ | because Java doesn't have method pointers or delegates, this is how it's done |
| 07:54.08 | Tauno | phyburn as for the question - you can use the fields from your outer-class. Declare a field Context context; in your outer class and assign it a value of "this" when your outer class is constructed. then you can use TextView(context) in your inner class later on.. but this is a ugly thing :P |
| 07:54.36 | phyburn | this hole things is one big ugly thing!!! |
| 07:54.37 | phyburn | lol |
| 07:54.39 | phyburn | but ill learn |
| 07:55.05 | Tauno | phyburn you you also don't want to create a new TextView in your clock class every time.. create one in the outer class and just set the value in the run method |
| 07:55.22 | waldo_ | romainguy_: hmm that sort of makes sense... |
| 07:55.28 | Tauno | ...or something like that :) |
| 07:55.33 | phyburn | Tauno, okay thanks soooo much! |
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| 07:56.19 | waldo_ | romainguy_: I meant to ask you-- is there a way for an app to get a token to access a user's google info? like if i wanted to write a stock ticker and wanted to autmoatically download the user's stock portfolio via the financial api but don't want to have to ask for a login/pass...? |
| 07:56.33 | romainguy_ | I have no idea |
| 07:56.38 | romainguy_ | you should ask on the Android Google Groups |
| 07:56.50 | waldo_ | okay.. |
| 07:57.04 | Chicago | Hi, Android isn't booting for me. |
| 07:57.07 | phyburn | would it even allow such a thing? Seems like a security risk |
| 07:57.26 | Chicago | I get pretty far with the init.rc... but it seems I need some device nodes or something. |
| 07:57.50 | Chicago | Because the dmesg output keeps scrolling about android_power wakeup |
| 07:58.35 | romainguy_ | phyburn: if it's possible, I'm sure you need to ask for a permission anyway |
| 07:59.08 | Chicago | Also, I used out/target/product/generic/data and out/target/product/generic/system directly on my sdcard with the ramdisk extraced onto the root of the sdcard. |
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| 08:00.10 | Chicago | In the init.rc I also had to commend out the 'mount yaffs2 mtd@system lines. |
| 08:00.25 | Chicago | Because /system is on the sdroot. |
| 08:00.53 | ionstorm | how do you get read access to locked dir's |
| 08:01.14 | ionstorm | yo, bitchx works nicely with the ssh app |
| 08:01.23 | ionstorm | ;] |
| 08:01.51 | spikebike | as does irssi |
| 08:02.29 | ionstorm | gotta try that, havnt messed with irssi, been a long time bx user |
| 08:03.42 | ionstorm | it'll be pimp once a XDMCP client works for droid |
| 08:04.28 | Chicago | Why isn't playmp3 included in the Android build? init.rc calls it for bootsound. |
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| 08:05.59 | umdk1d3 | ionstorm: are you using the latest svn of connectbot? ;) |
| 08:06.09 | umdk1d3 | there were some scrolling bugs fixed since the market version |
| 08:06.22 | ionstorm | yea |
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| 08:08.14 | ionstorm | it would be pimp if I could use the g1 as a stumbler, but the wifi is sketchy |
| 08:09.13 | Chicago | How do I turn debugging traces on for Android, so I can figure out why init.rc isn't starting android? |
| 08:12.35 | ionstorm | is their a process manager in the works? Or any sites worth watching with some tight upcomming droid apps? |
| 08:13.24 | ionstorm | I wish I had a cmd line in droid, id love to code some neat c apps, instead I gotta learn java ugh |
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| 08:18.33 | Chicago | ionstrom: One should be able to ssh into the droid using dropbear, right? |
| 08:22.07 | ionstorm | yea, but how would u get it on there |
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| 08:22.29 | phyburn | Tauno, yeah I don't think it liked the whole Context context; in the extender Activity class it just crashes when it gets to it in the Runnable class |
| 08:22.44 | ionstorm | I need to spend more time trying to hack this thing |
| 08:22.53 | Chicago | Well, I compiled Android from source over the weekend and am trying to boot it with haret.exe... but I saw dropbear compiled while android builds... so that means the sshd is being built. |
| 08:23.18 | umdk1d3 | can the user process touch anywhere on a yaffs partition, so that they can +x it? (prolly not on the FAT sdcard) |
| 08:23.24 | umdk1d3 | *dropbear that is |
| 08:23.41 | Tauno | romainguy_ the Android app model doesn't support a "exit" paradigm, right? You also said that "No matter what you do, do not put a "quit" or "exit" application button." <- my app uses a net connection and the users want to be able to close the app so that they can be sure that it does not use data anymore.. how does that usecase fit into the Android design? :) |
| 08:24.18 | roxfan | put a "disconnect" button? |
| 08:24.23 | ionstorm | why doesnt the apps have an exit button? thats retarded |
| 08:25.47 | ionstorm | Chicago, I dont see any reasons why anything wont run as long as u get it compiled and on the device |
| 08:26.19 | Chicago | I have some anything over here that doesn't run and is compiled and on the device. |
| 08:26.52 | Chicago | Basically, I can't get graphics starting after the zImage and ramdisk.img are going through init.rc. |
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| 08:33.18 | ionstorm | cprog.exe must be killed to make haret framebuffer work |
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| 08:37.25 | waldo_ | I don't think it's a good idea to not have a "quit" button. I find it very unnatural that you can't quit things actually |
| 08:38.14 | ionstorm | yea, it freaks me out a bit |
| 08:38.15 | ionstorm | lol |
| 08:38.27 | waldo_ | for the reason you just said tauno. I mean I guess you could have a "log out" or "end session" button or something.. but I want to feel like an app is running until I tell it to stop |
| 08:38.47 | waldo_ | unfortunately stuff gets shut off all the time that I wanted to stay around.. |
| 08:38.52 | waldo_ | like connectbot sessions |
| 08:39.28 | waldo_ | it's like... is android sacrificing connectbot to preserve the android market stuff? cuz I want to be able to prioritize those things |
| 08:39.53 | umdk1d3 | waldo_: it should keep those backend services running as long as possible |
| 08:39.56 | waldo_ | if I go connectbot to the browser to the contact list... |
| 08:40.03 | umdk1d3 | but it will sacrifice them if needed |
| 08:40.04 | waldo_ | how does it know which are the "important" ones? |
| 08:40.33 | waldo_ | if I go connectbot to three other important things I want it to preserve connectbot not something trivial |
| 08:40.37 | Tauno | well, I already have a "log out" button and that does indeed logout the user. I guess a "disconnect" button is more appropriate in my case then.. since disconnect and logout are fundamentally different things |
| 08:40.49 | waldo_ | but it has no way of knowing what I consider important. |
| 08:41.16 | waldo_ | i wish "nice" was supported |
| 08:41.25 | waldo_ | or something like that |
| 08:41.49 | ionstorm | htop/top would be chill |
| 08:41.53 | ionstorm | as well |
| 08:42.02 | waldo_ | there is a session viewer |
| 08:42.12 | waldo_ | or process viewer someone wrote |
| 08:42.26 | ionstorm | yea I saw that |
| 08:42.46 | ionstorm | what is the best place now to find new non-market apps |
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| 08:42.57 | waldo_ | hey umdk1d3 have you considered-- and I talked to michaelnovakjr about this-- non ssh additions to connectbot? like a "ping" connect type instead of ssh ? |
| 08:43.33 | waldo_ | ionstorm: there's an rss feed... |
| 08:43.34 | ionstorm | I think he should create a remote desktop client for android |
| 08:43.40 | ionstorm | that would be hella chill |
| 08:43.43 | waldo_ | vnc? |
| 08:43.55 | ionstorm | waldo_ which one |
| 08:44.05 | waldo_ | http://andappstore.com |
| 08:44.12 | ionstorm | yea vnc or remote desktop |
| 08:44.21 | waldo_ | vnc would be nice and platform independent |
| 08:44.24 | umdk1d3 | waldo_: a ping connect type? |
| 08:44.26 | ionstorm | rdpv5 |
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| 08:45.03 | ionstorm | rdp would be way popular for wind0ze users |
| 08:45.25 | waldo_ | umdk1d3: like what I mean is-- right now you have those saved sessions in your listview when yous tart up-- each is an ssh session w/settings... what if you could add to those other services.. such as ping@IP.Ad.re.ss and have unique settings.. mike seemed interested in writing a patch for connectbot |
| 08:45.32 | ionstorm | login to wind0ze via terminal services |
| 08:45.40 | waldo_ | not to bloat it too much but might be nice |
| 08:46.13 | umdk1d3 | hmm |
| 08:46.15 | waldo_ | ionstorm: I have a mac.. never even seen rdt |
| 08:46.21 | ionstorm | ah |
| 08:46.22 | umdk1d3 | but that wouldnt have anything to do with ssh, right? |
| 08:46.48 | waldo_ | umdk1d3: nothing whatsoever... just taking advantage of the UI basically |
| 08:47.05 | ionstorm | http://www.rdesktop.org/ <-- rdp source rdesktop is an open source client for Windows Terminal Services, capable of natively speaking Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) in order to present the user's Windows desktop. Supported servers include Windows 2000 Server, Windows Server 2003, Windows Server 2008, Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows NT Server 4.0. |
| 08:47.09 | ionstorm | etc etc |
| 08:48.23 | ionstorm | the ability to login to any desktop from your phone anywhere would be majorly chill |
| 08:48.50 | ionstorm | vnc/rdp/ssh/telnet all in one client |
| 08:49.43 | gambler | couldnt you just look at your desktop through a pinhole camera instead? |
| 08:50.00 | gambler | looks around for some cardboard |
| 08:50.22 | umdk1d3 | ooh ionstorm if only they had a java port ;) |
| 08:51.14 | ionstorm | umdk1d3, http://properjavardp.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 08:51.53 | umdk1d3 | AWESOME =D |
| 08:52.49 | ionstorm | umdk1d3, this one too http://www.elusiva.com/opensource/ |
| 08:53.04 | DarkriftX | RyeBrye, did you find it? |
| 08:53.16 | languish | <gambler> couldnt you just look at your desktop through a pinhole camera instead? |
| 08:53.17 | DarkriftX | i cant now and i wanted to dl a copy |
| 08:53.32 | languish | isn't that what we're doing with many web pages |
| 08:53.35 | languish | :| |
| 08:53.41 | ionstorm | umdk1d3, wget http://www.elusiva.com/opensource/downloads/JavaRDP1.1.tgz |
| 08:54.01 | ionstorm | wget for android would be chill too, also a ftp client |
| 08:54.29 | waldo_ | we need vnc more than rdp I think... having a mac and all :) |
| 08:54.34 | umdk1d3 | hmm i wonder if the browser launches its downloads as an intent or forces them to be handled by internal download manager |
| 08:54.42 | languish | actually, I'd like to see michaelnovakjr's Glance include an ftp client |
| 08:54.43 | waldo_ | does the browser do ftp:// |
| 08:54.50 | gambler | languish, yeah good point. I hope any websites I use ahve a mobile optimised version |
| 08:54.51 | waldo_ | languish: exactly I was just thinking that |
| 08:55.02 | languish | :| |
| 08:55.16 | languish | leaves while he's ahead for the night |
| 08:55.24 | ionstorm | yea combine them eventually |
| 08:55.26 | waldo_ | do a splitscreen file browser remote and local |
| 08:55.45 | waldo_ | man we need so much |
| 08:55.46 | ionstorm | i wonder when opera will finish their browser for android |
| 08:55.52 | waldo_ | it's like open season on this platform right now |
| 08:56.18 | waldo_ | does anyone have a phone in front of them? Can you try ftp://something |
| 08:56.23 | languish | sure |
| 08:56.27 | ionstorm | k |
| 08:56.34 | languish | gimme a short public ftp addy |
| 08:56.35 | waldo_ | i'm curious if it handles it |
| 08:56.36 | waldo_ | umm |
| 08:56.40 | waldo_ | mozilla let me see |
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| 08:57.04 | waldo_ | ftp://ftp.mozilla.org |
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| 08:57.14 | waldo_ | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/ |
| 08:57.23 | waldo_ | does it handle ftp? |
| 08:57.30 | umdk1d3 | eh just appears to launch it as a google search |
| 08:57.39 | waldo_ | oh.. |
| 08:57.54 | alokb_ | Hello, can anybody tell me if the HTC dream supports DUN bluetooth profile? |
| 08:57.56 | waldo_ | FUSE would be cool... i think that needs kernel patches |
| 08:57.58 | umdk1d3 | oooh VERY interesting, its reported as source=android-chrome |
| 08:57.59 | ionstorm | yea opens google search |
| 08:58.10 | waldo_ | so no ftp |
| 08:58.14 | umdk1d3 | *the google search url, this is separate from ft |
| 08:58.16 | waldo_ | let me find an ftp client in java |
| 08:58.16 | umdk1d3 | *ftp |
| 08:58.17 | languish | yeah it launched a google search from the go to, then the top search is an ftp.mozilla.org web link |
| 08:58.22 | languish | which it does go to |
| 08:58.40 | waldo_ | I guess if you can find a web->ftp proxy |
| 08:58.40 | ionstorm | a torrent client would BE AWESOME |
| 08:58.41 | ionstorm | lol |
| 08:58.50 | languish | yeah I used Go To url in the browser itself |
| 08:58.58 | languish | shoots ionstorm |
| 08:59.20 | languish | BAD accelerated particle mass BAD |
| 08:59.28 | waldo_ | ftp java client libraries reviewed http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-04-2003/jw-0404-ftp.html |
| 08:59.33 | alokb_ | npelly2: u around ? |
| 08:59.38 | ionstorm | even better a nzb client like sabnzbd |
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| 09:00.27 | languish | I'd liek to start with a better application manager :| |
| 09:00.32 | languish | go from there |
| 09:00.49 | ionstorm | definately |
| 09:00.56 | languish | back to catching up on my tv eps |
| 09:01.01 | waldo_ | there should be some prioritizing.. it seems basic net tools, vnc. .doc/.pdf/.txt viewer |
| 09:01.13 | ionstorm | pdf viewer is a must |
| 09:01.24 | ionstorm | im sure thats in the works |
| 09:01.34 | waldo_ | at google? |
| 09:01.36 | waldo_ | or someone? |
| 09:01.42 | ionstorm | it would be tight if that browser could view those |
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| 09:02.20 | ionstorm | im so suprised google docs doesnt work yet for the g1 |
| 09:02.21 | waldo_ | btw-- quick review of the "invisible sheild" if anyone was considering it... it's okay. Make the phone feel solid.. like I could throw it at a wall.. a little tacky... |
| 09:02.36 | ionstorm | i just ordered the shield |
| 09:02.38 | waldo_ | application was kinda stressful |
| 09:02.39 | ionstorm | its good? |
| 09:02.42 | waldo_ | yeah it's not bad |
| 09:03.11 | waldo_ | it makes the phone feel like it's been dipped in the kind of plastic they coat upholstery with at Dennys |
| 09:03.32 | waldo_ | it's like S&M for your phone.. and it's weird how it shrink-wraps it |
| 09:03.38 | ionstorm | lol, is the invisible shield reusable? |
| 09:03.45 | waldo_ | bubbles and fingerprints and stuff are gone after 24 hours |
| 09:03.49 | waldo_ | I dunno |
| 09:03.52 | waldo_ | I haven't taken it off |
| 09:04.11 | ionstorm | is the whole phone covered? |
| 09:04.14 | waldo_ | I guess you peel it off to get it off.. I think that would undo the glue stuff |
| 09:04.16 | waldo_ | yeah the whole phone |
| 09:04.17 | waldo_ | every side |
| 09:04.21 | waldo_ | top bottom everything |
| 09:04.28 | waldo_ | I kinda fucked up the corners |
| 09:04.44 | waldo_ | it's only been 24 hours and supposedly it'll tighten up even more |
| 09:04.47 | waldo_ | but it feels really rugged now |
| 09:04.52 | ionstorm | i hope I dont fuck mine up when it gets here |
| 09:04.52 | waldo_ | very strange because it felt so delicate before |
| 09:04.53 | ionstorm | lol |
| 09:05.12 | waldo_ | make sure you're in a lint & dust free area |
| 09:05.27 | waldo_ | tehre's a teensy tiny fleck of dust under mine and it bothered me for about 20 minutes |
| 09:05.30 | waldo_ | I think I'll have to get over it |
| 09:05.39 | ionstorm | i got this small issue with my screen tapping against the keypad at the top left by the htc symbol |
| 09:05.58 | waldo_ | it's like your phone is in a clear wetsuit really strange. |
| 09:06.07 | ionstorm | lol |
| 09:06.12 | DarkriftX | RyeBrye, you around? |
| 09:08.13 | phyburn | woot! it took all weekend but I got my clock running! |
| 09:09.55 | umdk1d3 | waldo_: is there pics anywhere of it? i mean, the kbd still opens right? |
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| 09:14.58 | waldo_ | yeah yeah the keyboard opens fine |
| 09:15.16 | waldo_ | i think zagg.com has pix of the shape.. youtube has videos of the plastic and how it works |
| 09:15.38 | waldo_ | i'd take pix but all i ahve is the camera to take pix with |
| 09:16.06 | phyburn | romainguy_, how can I have multipul handlers going at once, if I have the first one loop forever? =p |
| 09:16.14 | phyburn | loops* |
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| 09:51.55 | mharkus | hi folks..just new here :) |
| 09:52.02 | kIDDAI | lo |
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| 10:00.09 | Rioting101 | Morning. |
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| 10:41.48 | wizkoder | hy everybody |
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| 10:54.01 | invain | hi |
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| 11:04.34 | languish | is it possible to initiate a gtalk conference from the android IM app's google talk function? |
| 11:05.21 | languish | i don't want to set up multiple accounts just to test it :| |
| 11:05.37 | languish | ... or bother people to mess with it. |
| 11:08.55 | spikebike | er |
| 11:09.03 | andatche | anyone know if the beeb has plans for iplayer on android? are there any drm issues to get around? |
| 11:09.03 | spikebike | once you chat someone, you can add people to that chat |
| 11:09.17 | neekers | hey languish |
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| 11:27.36 | ascii__ | I am confused here, maybe someone can clear this up for me. I've got a list of parcelable objects, which i want to save in onsaveinstancestate, so that when the keyboard is opened, my listview is still the same..but it doesn't write to parcel when i open keyboard, only when i start a new activity..why? |
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| 11:38.44 | languish | spikebike, cool thanks. I know it works with the desktop client, wasn't sure if it would with the g1 client |
| 11:38.48 | languish | heya neekers |
| 11:39.14 | spikebike | it's on the menu anyways |
| 11:39.21 | spikebike | on the g1 |
| 11:40.34 | languish | ahh i see it now. have to be in an active chat, can't send out multiple conference requests |
| 11:40.40 | languish | (simultaneously) |
| 11:40.49 | spikebike | right |
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| 11:48.47 | eleftherios | my wifi is connected, yet there is a little 'x' on the icon on top. Any ideas? |
| 11:48.51 | eleftherios | on a G1 that is |
| 11:49.02 | spikebike | no cellular? |
| 11:49.11 | spikebike | on the 4 bar display? |
| 11:52.01 | eleftherios | spikebike: yes, on the 4 bar display |
| 11:52.11 | eleftherios | there is a tiny 'x' on top of the first bar |
| 11:52.13 | spikebike | so you don't have a cellular signal |
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| 11:52.22 | eleftherios | oh that's the cellular |
| 11:52.28 | eleftherios | the wifi times out all the time |
| 11:52.36 | eleftherios | it works fine on my iphone and on my laptop |
| 11:52.40 | eleftherios | (which I use now) |
| 11:52.45 | spikebike | often when the screen goes black it turns the wifi off |
| 11:52.57 | eleftherios | but on the G1 most pages time out |
| 11:53.03 | spikebike | oh, strange |
| 11:53.04 | eleftherios | (e.g. yahoo.com) |
| 11:53.07 | spikebike | I've not had that |
| 11:53.13 | eleftherios | spikebike: no, with screen on |
| 11:53.31 | spikebike | oh, hrm, activate wifi, then reboot see if it changes |
| 11:53.39 | eleftherios | it says poor signal strength while iPhone and laptop get 80% signal |
| 11:53.43 | eleftherios | spikebike: I tried that |
| 11:53.51 | anno^da_ | Oh my god they pay >600 EUR for getting a G1 in Germany at eBay ... damn fools :/ |
| 11:54.03 | spikebike | the wifi and cellular displays are different |
| 11:54.17 | spikebike | one is bars the other is little semi circles |
| 11:54.25 | eleftherios | spikebike: yes, I am talking about the wifi now |
| 11:54.26 | muthu_ | anno^da_: is there another option? |
| 11:54.45 | eleftherios | anno^da_: I don't think is worth paying more that 200 euro for the G1 |
| 11:54.54 | anno^da_ | eleftherios: true |
| 11:54.57 | eleftherios | it is a flaky phone |
| 11:56.46 | anno^da_ | The problem is that every little software company here in Germany pays every price to get one :/ |
| 11:57.16 | anno^da_ | swetland: Are you available ? |
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| 12:09.04 | eleftherios | also, bad fonts |
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| 12:56.56 | xyzzy_bill | anno^da: I'm up to speed with my G1 now, and I've dumped my iPhone. The G1 software is a solid competitor to iPhone, but the G1 phone sucks in comparison. The screen is much smaller, the phone is much thicker, and just not as nicely done as say a Razor or iPhone. I may upgrade when classier Android phones come out. |
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| 13:09.30 | Dougie187 | Touch Pro is available online for sprint! |
| 13:13.00 | Dougie187 | its $300 though |
| 13:13.08 | Dougie187 | google, you have to get sprint to take the g1... |
| 13:13.09 | Dougie187 | :( |
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| 13:14.26 | anno^da_ | They have to get affordable devices to non US and UK countries :/ |
| 13:15.27 | anno^da_ | It is such a mess having to pay > 500 EUR to get a G1 for developing :( |
| 13:16.35 | gambler | anno^da_, Ive heard rumours from reliable sources that developer phones are on their way. |
| 13:16.52 | anno^da_ | I know that. swetland spoke about that last week. |
| 13:17.01 | anno^da_ | But the question is how long will it take. |
| 13:17.01 | gambler | oh cool |
| 13:17.33 | anno^da_ | I cant wait another 2 months. (just my assumption how long it will take :/ ) |
| 13:17.33 | gambler | yeah I know :/ |
| 13:19.16 | Delvien | fdcdcf |
| 13:19.29 | Delvien | anyone there./? |
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| 13:22.12 | thoraxe | ohai |
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| 13:23.14 | anno^da_ | gambler: what have you heart about the developer version ? |
| 13:24.59 | gambler | anno^da_, I heard google is trying to source some phones. They havent got any yet because the stores are gobbling them up |
| 13:25.18 | gambler | When they do, we will feel some non-US developer love |
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| 13:29.27 | Tauno | depending who gets them :) I hope it's not some weird "you can get one if you are rich" thing again.. (a'la the app developers who got their apps to the market before official launch) :( |
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| 13:29.59 | Dougie187 | i just want more android phones. |
| 13:30.02 | Dougie187 | on other carriers... |
| 13:30.36 | gambler | Dougie187, dont we all. Id never buy the G1 if I didnt need it for my project. |
| 13:30.49 | Dougie187 | i would, if it was on sprint.. |
| 13:30.50 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 13:30.54 | gambler | I like slider style phones |
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| 13:32.01 | Dougie187 | i want one with a qwerty keyboard |
| 13:33.26 | gambler | wonders if the BT supports the HID spec |
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| 13:36.48 | michaelnovakjr | yawn |
| 13:37.18 | Dougie187 | good morning michaelnovakjr |
| 13:37.24 | michaelnovakjr | good morning |
| 13:37.37 | Dougie187 | hows it going? |
| 13:37.42 | michaelnovakjr | not too bad |
| 13:37.49 | michaelnovakjr | i put Glance on the Market last night |
| 13:37.51 | Dougie187 | hey do you know if there is a repo for picasa? |
| 13:37.57 | Dougie187 | Glance? Your File browser? |
| 13:37.58 | michaelnovakjr | not sure |
| 13:38.00 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 13:38.13 | Dougie187 | thats pretty cool |
| 13:38.16 | Dougie187 | is the market sweet? |
| 13:38.29 | michaelnovakjr | i like it so far |
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| 13:39.57 | andatche | ooh, glance looks a bit nicer than the other file manager on the market |
| 13:40.05 | Dougie187 | can you track how many downloads you get? |
| 13:40.15 | michaelnovakjr | Dougie187: yes |
| 13:40.20 | michaelnovakjr | andatche: thanks :) |
| 13:40.25 | Dougie187 | thats pretty cool |
| 13:40.30 | michaelnovakjr | its going to receive a few updates soon |
| 13:40.31 | Dougie187 | how many do you have so far? |
| 13:40.32 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 13:40.34 | andatche | are there any plans for flikr/picasa uploading? |
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| 13:40.50 | andatche | michaelnovakjr: seems to have everything the other one was lacking :) |
| 13:40.53 | andatche | and looks a bit nicer to boot |
| 13:41.00 | michaelnovakjr | thanks |
| 13:41.00 | Dougie187 | andatche: someone is probably working on it somewhere... but if you want it you might start developing it. |
| 13:41.21 | andatche | is working on an mpd frontend atm |
| 13:41.24 | michaelnovakjr | the other, pardon my language, asshole is selling the Android File Manager on handago.com for $9.99 |
| 13:41.48 | Dougie187 | that sucks. |
| 13:41.49 | andatche | oh really? it was free when I downloaded it |
| 13:41.53 | andatche | since removed it though |
| 13:41.53 | `vip | anyone tried Trak yet ? |
| 13:41.53 | Dougie187 | how long did it take you to write it? |
| 13:41.54 | `vip | looks nice |
| 13:42.01 | michaelnovakjr | Dougie187: me? |
| 13:42.13 | Dougie187 | yeah |
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| 13:42.27 | michaelnovakjr | i wrote it back in july, it took about a week to update |
| 13:42.42 | Dougie187 | how long did it take you to write in july? |
| 13:42.46 | michaelnovakjr | a few days |
| 13:42.48 | michaelnovakjr | tops |
| 13:42.51 | Dougie187 | nice |
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| 13:43.00 | michaelnovakjr | it was around the same time i wrote the SMS app for the vogue |
| 13:43.02 | Dougie187 | well you are keeping up with your original promise i guess. |
| 13:43.02 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 13:43.05 | andatche | I'm actually using pmix as a base for my mpd frontend, but it's old so most of it doesn't work on the latest sdk |
| 13:43.23 | michaelnovakjr | :) Dougie187 yea my stuff's all going to be free and open source |
| 13:43.51 | andatche | same as that :) |
| 13:43.51 | Dougie187 | well i mean, when you and jasta use to say that you would rewrite all the apps people release and make it open source. |
| 13:43.52 | `vip | wtf @ 9.99 ... how much do apps run for on the App Store ? |
| 13:44.01 | michaelnovakjr | Dougie187: absolutely :) |
| 13:44.06 | Dougie187 | `vip: its the devs choice. |
| 13:44.07 | andatche | `vip: free atm |
| 13:44.23 | `vip | andatche App Store (iPhone) |
| 13:44.27 | andatche | ohh right |
| 13:44.28 | `vip | trying to get a comparison |
| 13:44.40 | michaelnovakjr | `vip: the Android Market only accepts free apps at the moment |
| 13:44.47 | `vip | yeah i know :P |
| 13:44.53 | michaelnovakjr | but that dev is selling it on another site |
| 13:44.59 | `vip | but you said the one dev put his app on handango for 9.99 |
| 13:45.09 | michaelnovakjr | i don't quite get that, but I would expect to see if disappear off the market soon |
| 13:45.13 | `vip | SO i was asking to see how much things run for on the App Store |
| 13:45.17 | michaelnovakjr | `vip: that is right |
| 13:45.22 | michaelnovakjr | :) it varies |
| 13:45.24 | `vip | for a comparison |
| 13:45.26 | `vip | ah ok |
| 13:45.29 | michaelnovakjr | my stuff will be free :)_ |
| 13:46.31 | kslater | yikes! is the browser for android really 14M or is some of that cache? |
| 13:46.41 | Tauno | I'll plan to offer two versions of my apps also - one free and the other $x.. so people have a choice :P |
| 13:46.59 | michaelnovakjr | nah, i'm writing all my stuff free and open source |
| 13:47.23 | michaelnovakjr | i'm looking forward to competing with paid apps :) |
| 13:47.25 | Tauno | michaelnovakjr, I hope you have a day job then :) |
| 13:47.38 | michaelnovakjr | especially those hello world app for $10 bucks :) |
| 13:47.44 | michaelnovakjr | Tauno: i do :) |
| 13:48.02 | michaelnovakjr | be back... reboot |
| 13:48.43 | andatche | kslater: most of it will be cache |
| 13:48.45 | anno^da_ | gambler: thanks for the information on the dev phone. |
| 13:49.23 | anno^da_ | I just think that they will send it out to some ADC winners or something like that. So nothing reliable for the developers. |
| 13:50.24 | Delvien | so... tmobile internwet is down but i can still ssh to my server 18 miles away.... |
| 13:50.45 | Delvien | internet* |
| 13:51.08 | andatche | 3G seems find here in shef |
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| 13:52.07 | andatche | michaelnovakjr: glance is loads better :) |
| 13:52.22 | michaelnovakjr | thanks :) |
| 13:52.43 | michaelnovakjr | i've got updates to the icons and the ability to open files in their respective apps coming this week |
| 13:52.58 | michaelnovakjr | also going to allow the user to set a default directory for when the app loads |
| 13:54.10 | Tauno | anybody up for some dev talk? :P I'm a little confused about ListViews - they have inbuilt filtering (at least the UI as it seems) but am I really supposed to handle every keypress myself and then just call the method with the String parameter? isn't the listview able to handle keypresses itself so I can just call something like listView.keyPressed(event, keycode)? :) |
| 13:54.23 | gambler | anno^da_, np...I feel your pain. |
| 13:54.47 | andatche | michaelnovakjr: cool, being able to open files would be most useful |
| 13:54.53 | michaelnovakjr | definitely |
| 13:55.00 | andatche | some sort of text editor would be handy too |
| 13:55.15 | andatche | may have to write one when I have this mpc finished |
| 13:55.18 | michaelnovakjr | i'm looking into that, i saw one on the store, going to see how good it is |
| 13:55.51 | michaelnovakjr | Tauno: not really |
| 13:56.00 | andatche | I wonder if there are any plans to allow apps to be installed to the SD card too |
| 13:56.05 | andatche | not going to take long to run out of space |
| 13:56.08 | Tauno | I was afraid of that :/ |
| 13:56.35 | michaelnovakjr | Tauno: the app has to decide what to do with clicks in a list view |
| 13:56.43 | michaelnovakjr | you want it to perform a task, so you override the method and support your actions |
| 13:57.09 | Tauno | sure, but you can't really compare the two cases.. |
| 13:57.18 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
| 13:58.54 | michaelnovakjr | Tauno: what do you mean? |
| 13:59.31 | Tauno | I mean.. If I set the list view to be filterable, then I don't want to implement the text input logic - I just want to know when the filter text has been changed.. right now I have to manually set the filter text (taking into account text deletion etc) |
| 14:00.32 | Tauno | a'la I set listView.setAcceptInput(true) and then I add listView.addOnTextChangedListener() that does what I want to do when the text has been changed and that's it.. |
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| 14:01.10 | `vip | how is the Market gonna work, are we going to be charged via our tmobile bill ... or will we have to use google checkout ...via a cc or something ? |
| 14:01.27 | Death_Syn | i like the google checkout idea |
| 14:01.30 | Death_Syn | very painless |
| 14:01.38 | Death_Syn | maybe we'll get lucky and they let you choose |
| 14:01.39 | michaelnovakjr | `vip: that is unknown, currently you can't buy anything so.... :) |
| 14:01.45 | `vip | yeah |
| 14:01.48 | Tauno | michaelnovakjr, can't really explain it better :/ |
| 14:02.15 | michaelnovakjr | nope, haven't dealt with it before.... i end up with my own adapter usually |
| 14:03.03 | Tauno | I also have my own adapter.. it's just the builtin UI for displaying filter text that ListViews have :) |
| 14:03.13 | Dougie187 | `vip: i would assume it wouldn't be through the t-mobile bill... but ionno. my only reason is they want to have multiple carriers supported for the same app store. |
| 14:03.27 | `vip | true, didnt think of that |
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| 14:05.56 | `vip | so i wonder, is Trak similar to Twinkle?? (never used twinkle but heard lots about it it) |
| 14:08.43 | Dougie187 | but i guess its still a possibility, but google checkout would be easier impo |
| 14:08.46 | Dougie187 | imo* |
| 14:08.50 | gambler | yo michaelnovakjr have you managed to get the debugger to execute arbitrary code? |
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| 14:09.10 | michaelnovakjr | gambler: what do you mean? |
| 14:09.46 | gambler | In the debug console you can add code at a breakpoint. |
| 14:10.10 | gambler | I can do Log.d("tag","str"); pretty easily but nothing more complex. |
| 14:10.19 | michaelnovakjr | hm, i haven't tried it |
| 14:12.21 | gambler | Ive tried rigging up beanshell over the network too but it seems to fail when I try to pass "outside" references into the eval function. |
| 14:13.07 | gambler | "long time=42; System.err.println(new Date(time).toString());" works fine. |
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| 14:34.07 | wizkoder | is there a way to address the framebuffer directly on this android machines? I am looking for a way to get my game running on all these machines (freerunner and the android ones). will there be or already is sdl running? |
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| 14:43.13 | Tauno | found a bug in ListView - ListView.setFilterText(""); is not working.. i doubt anyone cares but just in case someone wonders :) |
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| 14:45.12 | nopcode | hey |
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| 14:45.19 | nopcode | can all features of the g1 be used on any network? |
| 14:45.28 | Dougie187 | nopcode: no. |
| 14:45.37 | nopcode | why not? |
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| 14:45.48 | Dougie187 | because the 3g frequencies are not supported by all carriers. |
| 14:45.56 | edcba | and ? |
| 14:45.59 | trigatch4 | whattup dougie187 |
| 14:46.05 | nopcode | Dougie187: ok and besides that? |
| 14:46.08 | Dougie187 | hey trigatch4 |
| 14:46.12 | edcba | what features are affected by 3g vs edge ? |
| 14:46.20 | Dougie187 | just speed afaik. |
| 14:46.22 | nopcode | Dougie187: i was thinking about application features |
| 14:46.27 | nopcode | stuff like email etc |
| 14:46.36 | Dougie187 | but i mean, you won't get the myfavs or whatever. |
| 14:46.37 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 14:46.38 | nopcode | assuming the network conectivity works |
| 14:46.41 | Disconnect | edcba: speed and the ability to do data and voice simultaniously |
| 14:46.51 | trigatch4 | they are considering "logging" this channel? |
| 14:46.52 | edcba | ok |
| 14:47.02 | Dougie187 | trigatch4: really? |
| 14:47.10 | trigatch4 | look at the subject |
| 14:47.15 | Dougie187 | yeah i see now. |
| 14:47.17 | trigatch4 | Seems lame to me |
| 14:47.18 | Dougie187 | i didn't notice that. |
| 14:47.24 | trigatch4 | Thats what the freaking Google Group is for |
| 14:47.27 | Dougie187 | me too |
| 14:47.41 | trigatch4 | I voted "Yes" - I mind... out of principle |
| 14:47.47 | Dougie187 | as did i |
| 14:47.47 | trigatch4 | I don't care that its logged personally but |
| 14:47.55 | nopcode | so are there any features that are only available with speicifc providers? |
| 14:47.56 | Dougie187 | eh, there is so much BS that goes on in here. |
| 14:47.57 | trigatch4 | kind of seems like it might restrict opinion/speech a bit |
| 14:48.01 | Dougie187 | its not going to useful to log it. |
| 14:48.03 | edcba | i voted yes too anyway |
| 14:48.16 | trigatch4 | especially when i'm in here talking |
| 14:48.21 | trigatch4 | absolutely nothing useful |
| 14:48.22 | Dougie187 | nopcode: the MyFavs feature... |
| 14:48.22 | trigatch4 | :) |
| 14:48.30 | nopcode | Dougie187: whats that? |
| 14:48.30 | Dougie187 | trigatch4: heh, me too for the most part. |
| 14:48.41 | Dougie187 | nopcode: tmobiles 5 free phone numbers. |
| 14:48.55 | nopcode | oh well but thats not g1 specific is it |
| 14:49.22 | nopcode | i'm referring more to things like the push email service on the iphone which supposedly wasnt available if you swtich providers |
| 14:50.21 | ttuttle | That's available through Google. It works on any network, wifi or cell. |
| 14:50.26 | michaelnovakjr | nopcode: you officially can't switch providers :) |
| 14:50.38 | Dougie187 | i was just saying because you said features that are not available through other providers. |
| 14:50.54 | Dougie187 | MyFavs has an app on the phone right? |
| 14:51.03 | michaelnovakjr | Dougie187: yep |
| 14:51.12 | Dougie187 | yeah so thats an app that you couldn't use on another network. |
| 14:51.56 | ionstorm | grab yourself a voip provider thats cheap and add the number to your fave 5 and make free calls all day long |
| 14:52.21 | ionstorm | i use grandcentral.com for that |
| 14:52.22 | ionstorm | lol |
| 14:52.46 | Disconnect | ionstorm: tmob says they can bill you wahtever they like if they catch you doing that tho |
| 14:53.11 | michaelnovakjr | and they will catch you :) |
| 14:53.35 | Dougie187 | does voip use a lot of data? |
| 14:53.35 | Disconnect | fyi if the channel is logged chances are real good we can stop answering the same questions 50 times a day. |
| 14:53.48 | wastrel | i voted for logging |
| 14:54.03 | ttuttle | Disconnect: nope. people will still ask agaain and again |
| 14:54.05 | wastrel | Disconnect: sounds like you're volunteering to maintain the faq? |
| 14:54.19 | Dougie187 | Disconnect: i don't think thats true, because that would mean someone who was curious would rather ask the question then paw through all our garbage chat. |
| 14:54.34 | michaelnovakjr | i voted for it |
| 14:54.37 | Dougie187 | err... you get what i mean |
| 14:54.39 | Disconnect | no, i'm volunteering to let google index the channel so people can get some sort of useful results from (eg) "reflash g1" |
| 14:54.47 | michaelnovakjr | yes |
| 14:54.56 | nopcode | have other android phones be announced btw? |
| 14:55.03 | michaelnovakjr | no |
| 14:55.12 | Disconnect | Dougie187: nobody ever reads a log. people search it, index it, cross-reference it and generally massage it with automated tools. so.. |
| 14:55.24 | michaelnovakjr | motorola is working on a phone but nothing has been announced yet |
| 14:55.39 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr: thats been turned off for the time being though |
| 14:55.42 | Dougie187 | after all their job cuts. |
| 14:55.49 | Dougie187 | they are not focusing so much on android. |
| 14:55.54 | michaelnovakjr | i saw they were still hiring android developers |
| 14:55.57 | tethridge | Dougie187, I think that sprint advertisement from last week was a fake |
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| 14:56.04 | nopcode | i suppose nokia wont join? |
| 14:56.06 | Dougie187 | tethridge: which one? |
| 14:56.11 | michaelnovakjr | nopcode: probably not |
| 14:56.17 | nopcode | michaelnovakjr: after acquiring trolltech and stuff |
| 14:56.18 | Dougie187 | nopcode: nokia has been rumored to be working on an android phone. |
| 14:56.19 | tethridge | Dougie187, the new rates |
| 14:56.24 | Dougie187 | tethridge: yeah it was.. |
| 14:56.32 | nopcode | ic |
| 14:56.35 | Dougie187 | tethridge: it was about half of the real rates. |
| 14:56.42 | nopcode | well so i suppose it wouldnt be wise to get the g1? |
| 14:56.46 | nopcode | being the first android phone |
| 14:56.52 | Dougie187 | nopcode: how is that not wisE? |
| 14:56.56 | michaelnovakjr | i got one and its great |
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| 14:57.04 | nopcode | its the first iteration |
| 14:57.04 | michaelnovakjr | its comparable to my iPhone |
| 14:57.10 | Dougie187 | nopcode: so? |
| 14:57.37 | Dougie187 | nopcode: that doesn't mean its bad. everyone in here loves theirs for the most part. |
| 14:57.50 | michaelnovakjr | i have no complaints |
| 14:57.51 | nopcode | is it fast enough tho? |
| 14:57.54 | Dougie187 | there are a few issues, but you are bound to find issues with everything. |
| 14:58.01 | nopcode | i suppose the next hardware generation will run android even better |
| 14:58.17 | michaelnovakjr | why |
| 14:58.31 | michaelnovakjr | nevermind |
| 14:58.41 | Dougie187 | nopcode: if you think like that, why ever buy one. the next one is always going to be faster. |
| 14:58.41 | nopcode | well the stack will stay about the same but the hardware will evolve, so more performance is to be expected |
| 14:58.57 | nopcode | Dougie187: its like buying a gfx card when crysis came out |
| 14:59.05 | nopcode | if you wait a little you can play crysis much smoother ;) |
| 14:59.18 | Dougie187 | that same argument is an infinite loop though. |
| 14:59.35 | nopcode | however my argument is void if android is already fast enough on the g1 |
| 14:59.37 | nopcode | so, is it? ;) |
| 14:59.43 | Dougie187 | if you think like that, there is no reason to ever buy a new phone or graphics card because they will always be faster. |
| 14:59.51 | Dougie187 | and i don't have an answer for you because I don't have a G1 |
| 15:00.04 | michaelnovakjr | ignores nopcode |
| 15:00.12 | andatche | android doesn't seem slow on the G1 |
| 15:00.16 | wastrel | i have a g1 |
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| 15:00.22 | nopcode | yeah but assuming that android and g1 are designed such that its "just fast enough" wouldnt it make sense to wait for the next hardware platform? |
| 15:00.36 | Dougie187 | nopcode: you are missing my point. |
| 15:01.00 | nopcode | Dougie187: there'll be a point when its "fast enough" |
| 15:01.11 | ttuttle | nopcode: no |
| 15:01.24 | ttuttle | nopcode: the stack will gain features as they go along, keeping it roughly the same speed as devices get faster |
| 15:01.53 | wastrel | i think you mean, draining the battery at the same speed |
| 15:02.06 | andatche | the G1 already runs android "fast enough" |
| 15:02.08 | Dougie187 | nopcode: you should talk to muthu_ about this. |
| 15:02.13 | andatche | there isn't any noticable slowdown at any point |
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| 15:02.26 | Dougie187 | he can probably explain it to you. |
| 15:02.36 | Disconnect | i think the big problems with the g1 (and android in general) aren't going to be fixed by different hardware (maybe camera) but by time - evolution of the software, hacking the firmware, that sort of thing. |
| 15:02.40 | edcba | isn't there some demo of g1 on youtube ? |
| 15:02.50 | nopcode | kk, we'll see... my mobile contract ends in december ;) |
| 15:02.51 | michaelnovakjr | just ignore! |
| 15:02.58 | Disconnect | andatche: wow i have -tons- of slowdowns, things like home taking up to a minute to redraw.. so maybe you are just lucky. |
| 15:03.03 | trigatch4 | michaelnovakjr whats up good sir |
| 15:03.07 | nopcode | Disconnect: hah ;) |
| 15:03.09 | andatche | Disconnect: really? :/ |
| 15:03.09 | wastrel | yeah slowdowns yes. |
| 15:03.27 | wastrel | very large web pages, the camera app, the ebook reader |
| 15:03.28 | Disconnect | yah. i'd throw some debugging into the scheduler, but you know, i can't flash my open platform onto my open phone.. |
| 15:03.37 | andatche | must admit, I've rebooted mine once every couple of days since having it, but not noticed any slowdowns really |
| 15:03.40 | ttuttle | Disconnect: /me has had the home screen problem. |
| 15:03.42 | trigatch4 | I think a lot of the problems on the G1 are due to Developers not having hardware to test their applications on before releasing on the market... |
| 15:03.56 | wastrel | some games. |
| 15:03.57 | trigatch4 | A lot of apps don't have "Home" buttons that take you to the apps main/open/home screen for example |
| 15:04.00 | trigatch4 | i find that very annoying |
| 15:04.54 | trigatch4 | There were a music app or two that had that problem... I forget which ones now... but the music would be playing in the background and it would be a huge irritation to get back into the app and to the screen where you could pause/stop the music |
| 15:05.04 | trigatch4 | wow looks like i killed all the conversation haha |
| 15:05.26 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:05.29 | Dougie187 | thats good. |
| 15:05.32 | Dougie187 | it needed to die anyways |
| 15:05.50 | Disconnect | trigatch4: i agree if by 'developers' you include google platform guys :/ |
| 15:08.22 | trigatch4 | Disconnect: sure, why not |
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| 15:08.45 | trigatch4 | Another issue is a lot of times when you open the keyboard, the applications "lose" their place and revert back to a previous screen |
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| 15:09.14 | Disconnect | yah thats an app problem, istr some people saying the lifecycle doc doesn't particularly match the actual behavior |
| 15:09.23 | trigatch4 | yeah |
| 15:09.34 | trigatch4 | but i think thats just a symptom of early apps |
| 15:09.43 | trigatch4 | devs will get that down over time |
| 15:09.48 | trigatch4 | at least the better ones will |
| 15:11.35 | trigatch4 | it'll be interesing to see how a totally different phone with totally different hardware is handled. like a phone like the LG Voyager which has 2 screens for example |
| 15:11.35 | trigatch4 | screens with different resolutions, etc.. |
| 15:11.35 | trigatch4 | wow everyone died |
| 15:11.35 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:11.36 | trigatch4 | what have you been up to dougie? |
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| 15:11.36 | Dougie187 | not too much. |
| 15:11.36 | Dougie187 | my birthday was yesterday |
| 15:11.36 | Dougie187 | so i have been playing a lot of games this weekend. |
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| 15:13.27 | ttuttle | just rotated his screen and wondered why the scratch didn't rotate with it. |
| 15:13.53 | Dougie187 | ? |
| 15:14.09 | michaelnovakjr | ttuttle: that means it is a scratch :) |
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| 15:17.05 | trigatch4 | happy bday dougie |
| 15:17.08 | trigatch4 | how old now? |
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| 15:17.25 | Dougie187 | 24 |
| 15:17.38 | trigatch4 | nice |
| 15:17.42 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 15:17.56 | trigatch4 | want to borrow a coupla years from me? |
| 15:18.00 | trigatch4 | i'll be 27 in december |
| 15:18.15 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:18.24 | Dougie187 | you're not that old. |
| 15:18.29 | Dougie187 | 27 isn't bad at all |
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| 15:18.37 | trigatch4 | yeah i know i know |
| 15:18.50 | Dougie187 | when you're 50 you can start complaining. |
| 15:18.55 | trigatch4 | but by the time i have the money to do the things i want, i'll be 50 |
| 15:19.01 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 15:19.12 | Dougie187 | well you can do things you want, and complain while you are doing them. |
| 15:19.48 | trigatch4 | sounds like my GF in bed |
| 15:19.51 | trigatch4 | haha jk |
| 15:20.17 | Dougie187 | lol |
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| 15:21.53 | Disconnect | gets the things he wants @ 30.. so there :) |
| 15:22.27 | Disconnect | except this year. instead of prepping for our usual key west drive (1-2 weeks from baltimore to key west and back) we are staying home. |
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| 15:22.40 | trigatch4 | Disconnect: you from bmore? |
| 15:23.01 | summatusmentis | what's in key west? |
| 15:23.38 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:23.40 | trigatch4 | the thing that opens "vault east" |
| 15:23.48 | Dougie187 | I hear key west is really nice. |
| 15:23.52 | Dougie187 | but i have yet to go there. |
| 15:24.05 | summatusmentis | that's near the everglades, yes? |
| 15:24.18 | Dougie187 | yes |
| 15:24.22 | Dougie187 | but more south. |
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| 15:24.27 | summatusmentis | I see |
| 15:24.35 | summatusmentis | does not know his Florida geography |
| 15:24.41 | summatusmentis | I just know that FL is bad at elections |
| 15:24.52 | Dougie187 | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=key+west&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=27.22791,79.101563&ie=UTF8&ll=24.586466,-81.778793&spn=0.121756,0.30899&t=h&z=12&g=key+west |
| 15:25.51 | trigatch4 | 50% of the united states is bad at elections |
| 15:25.57 | trigatch4 | how do you think George Bush got elected |
| 15:26.44 | Dougie187 | we will see how it goes tomorrow. |
| 15:29.15 | Disconnect | trigatch4: sorry, was phone. but yah, just outside annapolis. so bmore/dc |
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| 15:29.36 | wizkoder | You should vote for more republicans. The last one was close to perfect ^^ |
| 15:30.04 | trigatch4 | Disconnect: I live in baltimore... between fells point and canton |
| 15:30.09 | Disconnect | nice |
| 15:30.11 | trigatch4 | right now i'm actually in silver spring though |
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| 15:30.22 | Disconnect | lol ditto. my office is across the street from discovery channel. |
| 15:30.28 | trigatch4 | oh nice |
| 15:30.38 | trigatch4 | you should join my "Baltimore" social group on AndroidForums |
| 15:30.43 | trigatch4 | I'm the only one in it at the moment |
| 15:30.46 | trigatch4 | its lonely in there |
| 15:30.46 | trigatch4 | ;) |
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| 15:52.05 | FirstFan | Does anyone know where to add a new locale? |
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| 16:07.16 | Kizoomer121 | I want to persist a simple, private array with 10 items. Do I have to use sqlite to perform such a simple operation? |
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| 16:10.32 | zhobbs | Kizoomer121: you could use SharedPreferences or store it into a file also |
| 16:11.44 | unix_lappy | Kizoomer121: you mean to say that sqlite doesnt persist throughout the lifecycle? |
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| 16:12.58 | Disconnect | unix_lappy: huh..? he said "have to" .. he doesn't -have to- use sqlite for persistance of 10 simple items |
| 16:13.06 | oinkboink | hi kids |
| 16:13.50 | unix_lappy | no, of course not. |
| 16:16.26 | Kizoomer121 | Disconnect: can you suggest a better way (I do not want to misuse the preference name-value pair stuff- that would seem silly). |
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| 16:22.47 | michaelnovakjr | ubuntu 8.10 screwed up my java.... paths aren't right anymore |
| 16:24.32 | vol | : ( |
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| 16:24.41 | vol | path to success |
| 16:25.18 | michaelnovakjr | looks like android can't find java |
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| 16:28.41 | michaelnovakjr | all better :) |
| 16:29.51 | vol | Awesome, eclipse. Thanks for, instead of having grayed out buttons, just not display them at all. |
| 16:30.24 | vol | Instead of a grayed out "install" which would have made me think "hmm, maybe I haven't done this right" you just don't show it at all, leading me to try other buttons and see if maybe one of them will install? |
| 16:30.32 | vol | argh |
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| 16:32.40 | Death_Syn | i really don't like clipse all that much |
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| 16:32.57 | michaelnovakjr | same here |
| 16:33.09 | Death_Syn | I'm building a template for ride (a ruby + screen IDE) to do android work |
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| 16:33.23 | Death_Syn | ruby + vim + screen |
| 16:33.30 | Death_Syn | though it won't need much ruby soon |
| 16:35.15 | Dougie187 | a bunch of circuit cities are closing. |
| 16:35.42 | Death_Syn | circuit city has been having issues making payroll I've heard |
| 16:35.51 | vol | <3 eclipse |
| 16:35.59 | Dougie187 | yeah. and they lost a much of money. |
| 16:36.08 | Dougie187 | bunch* |
| 16:36.19 | zhobbs | yeah, circuit city is in trouble |
| 16:36.34 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 16:36.35 | michaelnovakjr | that's not good |
| 16:36.39 | Dougie187 | they are closing the one in town here. |
| 16:36.45 | Dougie187 | http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/CC/455353003x0x245809/2BFAC9D9-6CEF-4027-9E51-1C635F42F7A7/110308%20Store%20Closing%20List.pd |
| 16:36.59 | vol | boy, I'm shocked that circuit city is going under |
| 16:37.05 | vol | almost as if they have shitty stores that no one wants to go to |
| 16:37.19 | vol | weren't they the ones that fired everyone as a "cost-cutting" measure? |
| 16:37.49 | Dougie187 | probably. |
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| 16:38.32 | ionstorm | good, I hate circuit city, ever been there with your G1 ? |
| 16:38.42 | vol | no? |
| 16:38.55 | ionstorm | scanned some pc's and stuff with shopsavvy |
| 16:39.03 | ionstorm | they refer me to bestbuy or online |
| 16:39.04 | ionstorm | lol |
| 16:39.13 | ionstorm | circuit city=rip off |
| 16:39.23 | ionstorm | totally, they mark up 300 + percent |
| 16:39.28 | vol | yeah |
| 16:39.47 | vol | Haven't been using the UPC scanner in score yet |
| 16:40.00 | ionstorm | crap dude, I just wanted a microsd card for my g1 |
| 16:40.07 | ionstorm | 8gb was 180 bucks |
| 16:40.22 | ionstorm | i got one online for 20 bucks |
| 16:40.24 | vol | hahaha what |
| 16:40.26 | ionstorm | wtf is that |
| 16:40.26 | vol | holy shit |
| 16:40.30 | vol | yeah |
| 16:40.35 | vol | no wonder they're going down |
| 16:40.41 | ionstorm | best buy charges 140-150 |
| 16:40.49 | ionstorm | still outrageous |
| 16:40.53 | Disconnect | ionstorm: for 8g? $45, i was looking at it last weekend |
| 16:40.59 | vol | I remember getting a 2gb one for like $40 and I was like 'wow!' |
| 16:41.02 | ionstorm | not here in phoenix |
| 16:41.03 | vol | at beast buy |
| 16:41.20 | Disconnect | tag was $75 (still not terrible for retail) and the saleslady went "wait, thats wrong, hang on" and double-checked |
| 16:41.33 | ionstorm | where do u live? |
| 16:41.52 | Disconnect | that was outside dc. online BB price was $75 or some such still. nowhere near $140. |
| 16:41.53 | dipen | shop at newegg.com |
| 16:42.02 | ionstorm | the west coast sucks man |
| 16:42.08 | ionstorm | milk is 4 bucks a gallon |
| 16:42.18 | Death_Syn | i typically buy from newegg.com, buy.com, or geeks.com |
| 16:42.19 | ionstorm | more than gas |
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| 16:45.41 | Disconnect | here's one (ugly bb url warning: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8704397&st=microsd&lp=9&type=product&cp=1&id=1199495884089) |
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| 16:48.26 | unix_lappy | heh, i dont think ShopSavvy can help curb my tech lust for the next couple weeks. |
| 16:48.39 | unix_lappy | especially if CC goes under. |
| 16:48.44 | dd94300 | 8gb micoSD $26: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211351 |
| 16:48.46 | ionstorm | anyone c this? http://graha.ms/androidproxy/ |
| 16:48.59 | ionstorm | lookin for tethering solutions |
| 16:51.17 | jlapenna | ionstorm: neat. I was just talking about this to someone. |
| 16:51.24 | jlapenna | Like midsentence... |
| 16:52.40 | ionstorm | ;] |
| 16:55.36 | RyeBrye | Everyone see that J2ME wrapper app in the market today? |
| 16:55.55 | ttuttle | yeah |
| 16:55.57 | Death_Syn | orly |
| 16:56.05 | Disconnect | dd94300: if you find an awesome 16gb price lemme know :) |
| 16:56.08 | RyeBrye | I tried to load Mobipocket's .jad file in there but - no dice |
| 16:56.18 | ttuttle | seems to me that it's against the rule about making apps that can install other apps |
| 16:56.19 | Disconnect | RyeBrye: yah opera mobile works well but it doesn't handle orientation changes :/ |
| 16:56.27 | Death_Syn | i love adata memory and flash |
| 16:56.49 | Disconnect | ttuttle: i suspect the rule is android apps. otherwise any interpreter/emulator would be right out. |
| 16:56.51 | RyeBrye | It doesn't install other apps |
| 16:57.10 | RyeBrye | It doesn't have a menu of apps or anything - you have to give it a URL of a jad file to download |
| 16:57.13 | RyeBrye | which is hardly a market competitor |
| 16:58.20 | Disconnect | he's prolly just annoyed about the rule. (and i agree, its stupid and petty. "oh no we can't let users know there might be -other- sources of apps for this open platform!") |
| 16:58.43 | Death_Syn | if you want to go a bit cheaper, Kingston class 4:http://www.buy.com/prod/kingston-8gb-microsdhc-class-4-high-capacity-micro-secure-digital-card/q/loc/101/208403543.html |
| 16:59.17 | RyeBrye | Well... once the market gets launched I think Google will be using it to recoupe development costs - and rightfully so... They've spent a lot of effort building the platform so they have some overhead to cover to make their shareholders happy |
| 16:59.41 | RyeBrye | Some other company could clone the market app entirely, but only take a 10% cut - and then have their app on market and people would be foolish to NOT use the market-competitor |
| 17:00.01 | RyeBrye | the other company would be benefiting from all of Google's effort to make the platform happen, with none of the overhead |
| 17:00.22 | Death_Syn | maybe I'll be able to negotiate a 32gb microsd with my new company |
| 17:00.28 | Death_Syn | that'd be sweet |
| 17:01.49 | dd94300 | Disconnect: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820183193, do u need micro? |
| 17:02.12 | Disconnect | yah micro for the g1 :) |
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| 17:03.41 | Laz | RyeBrye TOS says no competing market apps on the market |
| 17:03.41 | RyeBrye | It would be really cool if Google would let users sell "used" copies of their applications that they don't want to use any more. I know you can return them within an X-day window - but unlike any other copyrighted product you buy, DRM unfairly kills the first-sale doctrine in order to respond to prevent infringement |
| 17:03.56 | RyeBrye | Laz - I know that the TOS says that - I was just explaining why I thought it wasn't a stupid rule |
| 17:04.10 | RyeBrye | agrees with Google's logic on the no competing market apps |
| 17:04.17 | d0nets | hrmm |
| 17:04.25 | d0nets | so who is updated from rc19? |
| 17:04.27 | RyeBrye | If another market wants to spring up for Android, they will have to pay their own marketing costs to get it there - fair enough |
| 17:04.31 | RyeBrye | I'm updated from rc19 |
| 17:04.38 | zhobbs | I'm updated |
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| 17:04.45 | Disconnect | me also |
| 17:04.48 | d0nets | did you do it manually |
| 17:04.48 | d0nets | ? |
| 17:04.50 | RyeBrye | Ye |
| 17:04.52 | Disconnect | yah |
| 17:04.59 | d0nets | ok so its pretty reliable eh? |
| 17:05.02 | RyeBrye | Yes |
| 17:05.04 | d0nets | i think im gonna do it real quick |
| 17:05.06 | RyeBrye | I wish it wasn't, but it is |
| 17:05.12 | unix_lappy | has hadango actually put OUT a market app yet? |
| 17:05.19 | d0nets | you wish it wasnt? |
| 17:05.20 | d0nets | lol |
| 17:05.25 | zhobbs | mine got updated today (automatically) |
| 17:05.44 | RyeBrye | Yeah, if it wasn't reliable that would imply it was unreliable which would imply a way to attack it to flash unsigned or custom code |
| 17:05.45 | ttuttle | ota is fun |
| 17:06.42 | d0nets | i see |
| 17:07.08 | d0nets | so anything cool in the update? |
| 17:07.20 | RyeBrye | the USB notification when you plug in a USB cable is the only visible change |
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| 17:07.29 | RyeBrye | one person reported they see more bars in more places" |
| 17:07.48 | jbq | OTA is fun, but it costs a lot of storage. There'd be literally twice as much storage for apps if we removed the OTA capabilities. |
| 17:07.52 | d0nets | lol |
| 17:08.06 | d0nets | the only way to check that is put 2 g1's next to each other |
| 17:08.16 | d0nets | me and a classmate compared the iphone 2.1 fw |
| 17:08.17 | RyeBrye | jbq - Yeah, I'm all for removing that OTA capability |
| 17:08.19 | d0nets | he had full, i had 1 bar |
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| 17:09.23 | RyeBrye | jbq - I thought it downloaded the OTA update to the SD card? no? |
| 17:09.49 | jbq | RyeBrye: nope, because then that wouldn't work if the SD card was not present. |
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| 17:10.26 | RyeBrye | Well, yeah... but the whole 'wont work' chain can be carried up a level higher... and OTA updates wont work if a network isn't present |
| 17:10.51 | RyeBrye | So shit, lets just connect the devices via a hardline straight to T-mobile so we can make sure they will always work |
| 17:11.06 | Disconnect | i -love- the usb notification btw. |
| 17:11.27 | benley | tis a nice feature |
| 17:11.31 | d0nets | A nun was working a cross word puzzle when she came accross a question she didnt know. She asked the priest "What is a 4 letter word that ends in ...unt" |
| 17:12.07 | d0nets | The priest answered "Aunt... A U N T" |
| 17:12.15 | benley | R |
| 17:12.18 | d0nets | the Nun said "oh... do you have an eraser?" |
| 17:12.20 | Disconnect | and fwiw there are "better" (storage-wise) ways to do OTA updates. but they are worse in terms of stability. and as it is an OTA upgrade of a major device (hundreds of thousands to millions) -will- brick some. (even if only through user error or specific hostility) |
| 17:12.45 | d0nets | oh wait i butchered it "What is a 4 letter word that is a type of a woman, and it ends in UNT" |
| 17:12.47 | Disconnect | flashing a backup partition and switching the boot (with the original untouched for fallback) can at least minimize that risk |
| 17:13.05 | d0nets | it was better on the stern show lol |
| 17:13.11 | jbq | Disconnect: that'd take more space, though. |
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| 17:13.24 | RyeBrye | Every day I manually delete crap to free up more space |
| 17:13.27 | Disconnect | jbq: thats what it does now i believe. |
| 17:13.37 | Disconnect | RyeBrye: yah browser dumps cache to the wrong partition |
| 17:13.59 | RyeBrye | And it appears you can't tell it to download files straight to the SD card either |
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| 17:14.06 | jbq | Disconnect: nope. Right now it downloads the compressed update to /cache, boots into recovery, and, and decompresses it over /system. |
| 17:14.14 | Disconnect | ah |
| 17:14.29 | Disconnect | then why 2x as much storage w/o ota? |
| 17:14.29 | RyeBrye | yeah, and it writes little love notes in the /cache telling recovery what to do |
| 17:14.54 | RyeBrye | It has to have at least 45 megs of empty space always in /cache to receive an OTA? |
| 17:15.19 | jbq | Disconnect: about 63MB in /cache, and we could live with (I think) 15MB for market downloads, which would allow to make /data 48MB larger. |
| 17:15.25 | RyeBrye | when these devices get owned, that will be the first thing I will work on removing :) |
| 17:15.48 | jbq | RyeBrye: it doesn't have to be free, but it has to be reclaimable. |
| 17:16.04 | RyeBrye | ok, right |
| 17:16.10 | wastrel | just mount a directory on the sd card there |
| 17:16.35 | RyeBrye | dreams of mountind directories on his sd card there |
| 17:16.41 | RyeBrye | just realizes that sounds dirty |
| 17:16.51 | thoraxe | yay g1 system update |
| 17:16.53 | thoraxe | i wonder what's in it |
| 17:17.03 | thoraxe | perhaps a fixed aol instant messenger? a non-broken imap email client? |
| 17:17.04 | thoraxe | haha |
| 17:17.04 | Disconnect | jbq: could always require sd for marketplace. |
| 17:17.12 | jbq | Re: browser cache on /data: yeah, it sucks that the browser doesn't pay attention to the "low storage" messages to purge its cache... and it sucks that the browser cache isn't stored in /cache. |
| 17:17.14 | RyeBrye | thoraxe - probably RC29 which has a USB notification as the only visible change |
| 17:17.20 | vol | boy, it'd be nice if someone told us what the update actually did |
| 17:17.22 | vol | HINT HINT. |
| 17:17.34 | RyeBrye | No joke |
| 17:17.38 | Disconnect | thoraxe: erm. no. a usb notifier, which is nice. and some 'stability' which is ok (might be noticable, might not) and some security, which is important. |
| 17:17.45 | Disconnect | vol: erm, they did. |
| 17:17.49 | Death_Syn | someday, I'll get an update |
| 17:17.51 | RyeBrye | We're going to have to start binary diffing dex files and recovery images to see what files are changing |
| 17:17.58 | vol | Disconnect: where? |
| 17:18.05 | RyeBrye | but that STILL wont be very helpful :) |
| 17:18.06 | vol | All I can find is "We made your experience better! :D" |
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| 17:18.19 | thoraxe | sounds boring |
| 17:18.37 | Disconnect | it was on tmob forums, but they renumbered eveything in the maint. lemme find it. |
| 17:18.46 | vol | thanks |
| 17:19.24 | ionstorm | http://code.google.com/p/android-vnc-viewer/ |
| 17:19.27 | ionstorm | neat eh |
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| 17:19.38 | RyeBrye | that is cool |
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| 17:21.56 | Disconnect | http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=Android3&thread.id=10521&view=by_date_ascending&page=1 is rc28 i think. 29 just adds the security patch. |
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| 17:23.48 | ionstorm | anyone see the midp runner on the market ? |
| 17:24.05 | ionstorm | i wonder if opera works |
| 17:24.24 | RyeBrye | Apparently it does |
| 17:24.34 | RyeBrye | Mobipocket didnt work for me |
| 17:24.46 | ionstorm | jmirc works |
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| 17:25.38 | d0nets | the apk for the vnc viewer didnt work |
| 17:25.40 | d0nets | and what is jmirc |
| 17:26.11 | ionstorm | an irc client |
| 17:26.25 | d0nets | for android? |
| 17:26.35 | ionstorm | works with the midp loader |
| 17:27.22 | DarkriftX | RyeBrye, did you ever find a working link to that test build? |
| 17:28.57 | RyeBrye | DarkriftX - no, I didn't |
| 17:29.02 | DarkriftX | damn |
| 17:29.16 | RyeBrye | I was wanting the URL from the Google server in particular |
| 17:29.30 | d0nets | anyone else get that vnc viewer working> |
| 17:29.36 | d0nets | or to install |
| 17:29.36 | RyeBrye | I'm kind of annoyed that they removed the link from the xda forums |
| 17:29.42 | RyeBrye | ... it's not like it's a user forum |
| 17:30.27 | RyeBrye | WOW... my congressman just called me! |
| 17:30.38 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: wow |
| 17:30.39 | RyeBrye | Sure... it sounded like a recording, but I think it was real |
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| 17:30.59 | RyeBrye | After all, he said "Hello, this is congresman... " |
| 17:31.03 | michaelnovakjr | Wow, he must be in trouble and need votes |
| 17:31.09 | d0nets | lol |
| 17:31.10 | RyeBrye | not "Hello, this is a recording of congressman..." |
| 17:31.32 | tethridge | that's nothing. Joe Biden called me the other day |
| 17:31.51 | ttuttle | That's nothing. Obama took me out for dinner last night. |
| 17:31.56 | muthu__ | lol |
| 17:32.05 | tethridge | obama girl, is that you? |
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| 17:32.19 | Kraln | That's nothing, I slept with John McCain last night |
| 17:32.24 | michaelnovakjr | ew |
| 17:32.30 | tethridge | <shutters> |
| 17:32.53 | d0nets | thats nothing i gave it to Sarah Palin in the poop chute |
| 17:33.03 | michaelnovakjr | jeeze |
| 17:33.06 | michaelnovakjr | guys come on |
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| 17:33.25 | Kraln | YOU BETCHA |
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| 17:34.14 | stadlero | http://obamawill.com/projects/cellphone/ |
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| 17:34.31 | tethridge | are there any new rumors of when the next android phone will hit the market? |
| 17:35.01 | unix_lappy | tethridge: the major players have had some serious delays. |
| 17:35.21 | unix_lappy | that leaves T-MObile to deliver on a less funnerer more sexy device. |
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| 17:35.35 | unix_lappy | which likely wont happen till 09 |
| 17:36.06 | d0nets | doe the touch hd have a compass? |
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| 17:36.16 | d0nets | i know the touch hd pro doesnt |
| 17:37.16 | BHSPitWeb | Does anyone know the keymap android uses at the kernel level? |
| 17:37.20 | ionstorm | it would be *dope* if people made it so you could run any mobile app on android, like .sis for symbian devices for example |
| 17:37.27 | ionstorm | that would totally pwn |
| 17:37.36 | unix_lappy | doesnt matter, you wont see that device, and it's not even a remotely palatable price point. |
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| 17:37.45 | BHSPitWeb | ionstorm: yay for slow emulation |
| 17:38.20 | ionstorm | well most symbian devices use only 200mhz processors, android could handle it |
| 17:38.47 | RyeBrye | From what I hear, even the gameboy emulator right now is slow on android |
| 17:38.58 | BHSPitWeb | RyeBrye: you beat me to my next point :P |
| 17:39.27 | unix_lappy | ionstorm: you're lucky to get a 50% real to virtual. |
| 17:39.49 | unix_lappy | maybe it's different for ARM, not sure. |
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| 17:42.25 | andyross | Symbian is an ARMv5 architecture. It can run natively on the G1, although I'm not sure how virtualizable the swi instruction is. Certainly now that it's been open sourced (I forget the details) a Symbian runtime isn't implausible. |
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| 17:42.53 | andyross | Note that everything running using the existing SDK is running emulated on the G1 anyway. |
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| 17:48.36 | Disconnect | arm doesn't have any virtualization helpers, either. do don't expect to see anything -near- the percentage speed you get with (eg) xen and such, no matter what magic is done.. |
| 17:49.20 | andyross | Yeah, but we don't need pagetable virtualization. Just the ability to hook the SWI instruction for the Symbian system calls. Not, by the way, that I'm particularly interested in seeing any Series 60 stuff running on the G1... |
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| 17:50.50 | andyross | was scarred enough by Symbian the first time he worked with it. |
| 17:50.54 | ttuttle | lol |
| 17:51.02 | jasta | hey romain |
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| 17:51.11 | romainguy | yo |
| 17:51.32 | Disconnect | s60fp3 is not nearly as bad. but i'd love to see s90 (s80? the keyboard/communicator one) anyway since its already made for larger, single-display devices with keyboards :) |
| 17:52.08 | jasta | romainguy: did you do anything for Halloween? :) |
| 17:52.28 | andyross | That's what I've been told, that symbian had improved a lot. My last work was with Series 60 and UIQ c. 2004-5. You'll forgive me if I dont' believe a word of it. |
| 17:53.11 | romainguy | jasta: no, I don't care for Halloween :) (at least not yet :) |
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| 17:53.38 | jasta | you're missing out. halloween is the greatest holiday for 20 somethings ;) |
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| 17:54.05 | romainguy | I really can't get into it :) |
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| 18:05.50 | ieatlint | has anyone else noticed that the g1 comes without a copy of the gpl, and with a quick search on tmobile's website, it has no information about obtaining the gpl code? |
| 18:05.51 | ieatlint | (it also fails to include the apache licence, which is required by android) |
| 18:06.24 | jbq | DannyB: are you aware of the issues that ieatlint just pointed out? |
| 18:06.50 | waldo_ | ieatlint: source.android.com |
| 18:06.52 | DannyB | no, but it should be coming with a copy |
| 18:07.05 | DannyB | the GPL is on the phone in the license list |
| 18:07.33 | ieatlint | ah, it somehow skipped my mind to look there, hee |
| 18:07.37 | DannyB | ;) |
| 18:07.53 | DannyB | It would have been nice if tmo had put it in the back of the documentation book |
| 18:07.57 | DannyB | but c'est la vie |
| 18:08.13 | Damm | ieatlint, most of the licenses are linked in the license area. |
| 18:08.17 | jbq | about 20% of my TV's manual is GPL + LGPL. |
| 18:08.35 | Damm | what tv is this? |
| 18:08.42 | jbq | Pioneer 5010 |
| 18:08.59 | stadlero | get hackin! |
| 18:09.13 | fadden | The TV has a web server. |
| 18:09.24 | mikez5 | You can go to Settings/About phone/Legal information/Open source licenses and read the GPL on your phone (and a bunch of other licenses too) |
| 18:09.46 | DannyB | and you can scroll through it in a horrible way because when we tried to add nice links we discovered a browser performance issue |
| 18:09.48 | DannyB | :) |
| 18:11.19 | waldo_ | WOW. this is a long list of licenses |
| 18:11.46 | waldo_ | but fun to scroll through |
| 18:12.08 | mikez5 | That file is automatically generated from all the NOTICE files in the source tree. |
| 18:12.24 | Damm | about as fun as an enema |
| 18:13.02 | mikez5 | working on android is not excitement 100% of the time |
| 18:13.27 | DannyB | we used to have it generate nice HTML with a TOC and all |
| 18:13.32 | DannyB | but it took 10 minutes to display or something |
| 18:13.42 | DannyB | so we filed a bug and moved on |
| 18:13.44 | DannyB | :) |
| 18:14.13 | Damm | takes long enough over 3G |
| 18:14.14 | Damm | :/ |
| 18:15.34 | romainguy | Damm: over 3G? this file is on the phone |
| 18:15.48 | jasta | hehe neat |
| 18:15.53 | jasta | htere's a bubble level app on the market |
| 18:15.55 | jasta | that thing is great |
| 18:16.05 | Damm | romainguy, not all the licenses are on the phone |
| 18:16.10 | ieatlint | just scrolled through it.... all well and good, the licences are there |
| 18:16.19 | ieatlint | but it just quotes them, it doesn't satisfy them |
| 18:16.26 | ieatlint | no where does it tell me where to get the code |
| 18:16.44 | romainguy | ieatlint: code has to be available upon request |
| 18:16.49 | romainguy | it doesn't have to say where to find the code |
| 18:16.58 | romainguy | so here: http://source.android.com :) |
| 18:17.00 | ieatlint | so if i ask tmobile, what do you think will happen? :) |
| 18:17.19 | romainguy | I don't know, try |
| 18:17.25 | romainguy | Damm: ?? |
| 18:17.28 | ieatlint | i'm just screwing around, i realise it's all there :) |
| 18:17.38 | jasta | if they really must give you code, they either will, or you can sue them for copyright violation... |
| 18:17.39 | Disconnect | is tempted to release a gpl app into the marketplace for $20 just to watch people yell and scream and pee themselves. |
| 18:17.50 | romainguy | Disconnect: lol |
| 18:18.03 | ieatlint | Disconnect, do it :) |
| 18:18.32 | Damm | romainguy, nm |
| 18:18.49 | andyross | Nothing wrong with selling a GPL app as long as your source is up somewhere. It's not any different than putting a tip jar up on a project page, IMHO. |
| 18:19.03 | Disconnect | hasn't got an app for release right now or i'd do it @ slideme immediately (proceeds to be donated, etc) |
| 18:19.16 | jasta | i wish r.android.com would have an extra column showing you what the code review sum was |
| 18:19.18 | Disconnect | andyross: not up somewhere. only required to give it to the people who buy it. |
| 18:19.21 | mikez5 | I was hoping we could ship the sources in a tar ball on the SD card. |
| 18:19.24 | jasta | so you could quickly scan and find things being rejected or accepted |
| 18:19.57 | andyross | Disconnect: Yes, that's true. But putting it up on a web page somewhere is an easy way to meet the requirements *and* be nice to the rest of the world. |
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| 18:20.19 | andyross | The FSF itself was originally funded by selling installable media, after all. |
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| 18:20.46 | Disconnect | andyross: yah but if i was gonna be nice i wouldn't be selling a gpl app and giving away the money. i'd either keep the money or give the app away :) this experiment is solely to cause people to froth at the mouth because they are "free human beings" and don't understand distribution licensing :) |
| 18:21.09 | DannyB | andyross: sadly though, you can't just put url's to the license. |
| 18:21.27 | andyross | Disconnect: ... so you're just trolling? Apologies, everyone. I was caught. |
| 18:21.37 | DannyB | the FSF hates that |
| 18:21.37 | DannyB | mainly because they have a habit of changing the URL's of the licenses |
| 18:21.37 | DannyB | because they are dumb |
| 18:21.38 | DannyB | ;) |
| 18:21.54 | Disconnect | andyross: you were in doubt? "Disconnect is tempted to release a gpl app into the marketplace for $20 just to watch people yell and scream and pee themselves." .. i thought that was pretty clear :) |
| 18:22.34 | andyross | DannyB: the technical requiresments in the GPLv2 are (I think) requirement to either distribute the source directly or make an offer for some period of time to provide them for at most a nominal fee. Neither requires a specific web page be listed, and the latter is easily doable in a market app. |
| 18:23.27 | Disconnect | -would- like to see a ban on gpl/apache as "click-through" licenses since they are definitively NOT.. |
| 18:23.32 | jasta | romainguy: hehe, you approve a lot of commits :) |
| 18:23.38 | romainguy | I don't approve them |
| 18:23.44 | jasta | well, you review them positively |
| 18:23.47 | DannyB | (They changed the lgpl2 url to point to lgpl2.1 at one point, etc) |
| 18:23.51 | romainguy | very different |
| 18:23.52 | DannyB | andyross: the requirements include providing a copy of the license |
| 18:23.53 | romainguy | :) |
| 18:24.03 | romainguy | I reviewed negatively an equal number |
| 18:24.08 | DannyB | andyross: you aren't allow to say "the license can be found here: <url>" |
| 18:24.12 | romainguy | like the patch from the NeoRunner guys :( |
| 18:24.22 | jasta | romainguy: i'm preparing my uber patch to the E-mail app |
| 18:24.52 | andyross | Oh, OK. I misunderstood. Yes, the text of COPYING technically needs to come with the app and be available to the user. I thought you were saying that you couldn't get away with providing a pointer to the source code with an URL. |
| 18:25.18 | ieatlint | andyross, you only can with the gplv3 |
| 18:25.46 | ieatlint | (and gplv2 says you can use later revisions, but other licences that require distrubiting the code may not allow you to simply link) |
| 18:26.08 | ieatlint | i believe you also have to guarantee that the link you provide will be valid for 3 years |
| 18:27.01 | andyross | ieatlint: That's the magic of logical "or". If the GPLv2 allows it, then you can in perpetuity. The "or later versions" clause is intended to allow future recipients to re-release modified code under a different license. Nothing changes with your app. |
| 18:27.37 | Dougie187 | jasta: you're almost done? |
| 18:27.37 | DannyB | Disconnect: I banned it internally :) |
| 18:27.37 | DannyB | just last week in fact |
| 18:27.56 | jasta | Dougie187: getting close |
| 18:28.02 | Disconnect | cool |
| 18:29.19 | ieatlint | andyross, if you have gpl v2 code that has the "or later versions" clause, then you can simply follow gpl v3 guidelines |
| 18:29.26 | andyross | Yeah, the text in GPLv3 is almost identical to GPLv2: "Convey the object code in, or embodied in, a physical product (including a physical distribution medium), accompanied by a written offer, valid for at least three years and valid for as long as you offer spare parts or customer support for that product model, to give anyone who possesses the object code [source code]" |
| 18:29.27 | Dougie187 | jasta: thats exciting. it took a lot longer then you originally expected huh? |
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| 18:30.32 | vol | Disconnect: thanks |
| 18:30.53 | Disconnect | vol: ? |
| 18:30.57 | DannyB | andyross: Ah, yeah. |
| 18:31.25 | vol | The changelist |
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| 18:31.48 | jasta | Dougie187: well, not exactly |
| 18:32.40 | Dougie187 | jasta: are you doing all of the original features? or is this still just imap idle? |
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| 18:33.56 | Disconnect | vol: ahh np |
| 18:43.51 | jasta | Dougie187: sorry was distracted by work... |
| 18:43.59 | Dougie187 | no problem |
| 18:44.11 | jasta | Dougie187: it's still just IMAP IDLE, but the issue was that a more significant redesign was necessary to support this feature efficiently |
| 18:44.15 | jasta | so i did one quick hack at first |
| 18:44.36 | jasta | and then talked to the apps original author and we came up with a more robust design that would work well for IMAP IDLE |
| 18:44.39 | jasta | so i started hacking on that |
| 18:44.59 | jasta | i got it functional this weekend, but now i just need to squash some minor bugs and develop a better policy for handling reconnects and such |
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| 18:45.16 | androoid | is the market down? |
| 18:45.27 | Dougie187 | jasta: sounds like you had a pretty awesome weekend then |
| 18:45.45 | jasta | eh, i only worked on it for a few hours actually |
| 18:45.49 | jasta | after becky fell asleep on saturday :) |
| 18:45.57 | jasta | Friday night was a big halloween party at my house hehe |
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| 18:47.03 | Dougie187 | you guys get trashed? |
| 18:47.10 | jasta | hehe, oh yeah |
| 18:47.15 | jasta | that was the biggest party we've ever had i think |
| 18:47.21 | jasta | next to maybe my friend fred's going away |
| 18:47.47 | Dougie187 | well thats cool |
| 18:47.57 | Dougie187 | we went to a party. but it was pretty low key |
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| 18:48.14 | Dougie187 | there were about 4 - 5 couples there who didn't know each other |
| 18:48.20 | Dougie187 | it was very similar to a high school dance |
| 18:50.05 | jasta | hehe...i think we had about 80 - 100 people at our party |
| 18:50.19 | jasta | i was surveying the wreckage on saturday... |
| 18:50.29 | jasta | there were at least 8 bottles of booze totally gone and well over 150 beers |
| 18:50.37 | jasta | it was a warzone :) |
| 18:55.31 | Disconnect | 8 bottles and 150 beers.. that sounds fairly sober for 100 people .. |
| 18:55.50 | geist | yeah |
| 18:56.37 | benley | not all 100 have to get smashed |
| 18:56.41 | benley | just enough of them for it to be ridiculous |
| 18:56.52 | Disconnect | 1/10th bottle and 1.5 beers .. so 2 mixed drinks and a beer for everyone there (or vice versa depending on who pours) |
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| 18:58.39 | Disconnect | maybe our crowd drinks harder or something but BoS we go through at -least- half a case of 1.75 rum and/or tequila, 10 or so cases of beer and cider and such, half to 3/4 case of 2L real sodas (coke, etc plus 2-4 bottles of diet) and 5-6 misc 750ml bottles (vodka, jack, etc etc) plus tons of mixers |
| 18:58.45 | jasta | im only measuring the easy ones, actually |
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| 18:58.55 | Disconnect | had to find a crooked liquor rep before all that became affordable :) |
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| 18:59.11 | jasta | i cant actually measure how much beer, for instance |
| 18:59.20 | jasta | i just know how much i bought, and i can see a few cases laying around |
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| 18:59.21 | jasta | so i measure those :) |
| 18:59.26 | jasta | no idea about all the six packs and such |
| 18:59.39 | jasta | and i dont count any liquor other than rum, vodka, whiskey, and tequila. |
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| 18:59.59 | jasta | plenty of girls get smashed on lesser booze ;) |
| 19:00.08 | jasta | also most girls are wasted after 4 drinks |
| 19:00.19 | Disconnect | BoS might be cheating also, starts at 3pm or so and usually runs until 11am or later. more time :) |
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| 19:02.37 | unix_lappy | wow, you guys must be in your late 20's to 30s+ |
| 19:02.45 | unix_lappy | 8 bottles is some sort of trophy? |
| 19:02.47 | unix_lappy | peh, i say... |
| 19:02.52 | geist | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.59 | Dougie187 | unix_lappy: and how old are you? |
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| 19:03.20 | unix_lappy | early 20's. |
| 19:03.23 | DannyB | kids these days and their inability to process alcohol |
| 19:03.24 | geist | got a german and a russian on my team at work, and they drink us all into the ground |
| 19:03.25 | DannyB | back in my day |
| 19:03.34 | DannyB | we put distributors out of business every night! |
| 19:03.43 | benley | geist: oh god I was at a house the other day where I was the only person who didn't speak russian natively |
| 19:03.44 | geist | been working on my tolerance |
| 19:03.53 | benley | geist: was a terrifying amount of drinking going on there |
| 19:03.56 | geist | they really do drink vodka like water! |
| 19:04.16 | jbq | well, it's 60% water |
| 19:04.20 | Disconnect | puts them into business :) so far our few parties and a little selling on the side have sent my rep on 3 or 4 fancy 'schmooze the top sellers' trips. and he's only been my crooked rep for about a year :) |
| 19:04.25 | benley | "it's only 40% alcohol!" |
| 19:04.26 | unix_lappy | vodka IS water...with a little carbon mixed in. |
| 19:04.45 | benley | unix_lappy: and technically, it's water with sugar in it! |
| 19:04.50 | geist | next they'll go after our precious bodily fluids... |
| 19:05.03 | Disconnect | yah never drink with russian chicks. they get crazy, but in a stab-you-in-the-face kind of way, not in a take-stuff-off-and-kiss-each-other kind of way. |
| 19:06.08 | geist | jbq: i dont listen to you. you drink american beer and drive american sports cars |
| 19:06.14 | geist | clearly you are tainted |
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| 19:06.47 | Disconnect | has a knack for wandering outside (or back inside, or -away-) when they get that look.. only once did someone actually get stabbed but its not uncommon for them to either threaten or to egg any available russian males into beating the hell out of each other, the hosts, the walls, or local unlucky foliage.. |
| 19:08.03 | Disconnect | friend had a russian roommate. after 2-3 instances of these (at otherwise calm low-key bbqs and stuff) he forbid her from inviting anyone over who spoke russian. seemed to work out pretty well, although i did miss the eyecandy. |
| 19:08.29 | geist | heh |
| 19:08.33 | jbq | geist: my cars were build in canada and mexico ;) |
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| 19:08.39 | jbq | s/build/built/ |
| 19:09.01 | geist | s/cars/test |
| 19:09.07 | geist | foobar baz |
| 19:09.11 | geist | s/foobar/wtf |
| 19:09.21 | geist | s/foobar/wtf/ |
| 19:09.28 | geist | ahhh, needs trailing slash |
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| 19:09.39 | geist | s/slash/AWESOME/ |
| 19:10.00 | geist | shakes his head at the terrible waste of the internet |
| 19:10.58 | marcone | s/shakes his head at/applauds/ |
| 19:11.02 | Disconnect | infobot is generally a waste of everything |
| 19:11.53 | geist | jbq: you didn't get roped into this android thing, did you? |
| 19:12.04 | geist | you did! |
| 19:12.06 | geist | holy crap |
| 19:12.11 | jbq | got assimilated |
| 19:12.17 | jbq | resistance is futile |
| 19:12.23 | geist | i think it's just me and jeffb that didn't make the transition |
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| 19:12.34 | geist | the warp drive didn't work, we materialized in another galaxy |
| 19:12.39 | Phlogi | hi friends :) |
| 19:12.51 | Phlogi | what android/g1 forum can you recommend? |
| 19:12.51 | michaelnovakjr | hi mccaiin |
| 19:13.06 | jbq | geist: I have an american sports car that can re-materialize you in the right spot, pronto. |
| 19:13.35 | geist | nah, we're tainted, since we worked on the iphone |
| 19:13.55 | geist | we carry a stench of apple that cannot be washed away with american steel |
| 19:14.09 | michaelnovakjr | i have a G1 and an iPhone..... >>> G1 is looking better to me :) |
| 19:14.12 | geist | only time will heal our wounds |
| 19:14.56 | jbq | distills rotten apples, lets them age in wood barrels, calls the result calvados... tasty! |
| 19:15.23 | Phlogi | so many forums are out there :S |
| 19:15.47 | Den0ts | im about to ship my iphone to its new owner |
| 19:15.53 | Den0ts | i got 499 for it on egay |
| 19:15.58 | Den0ts | buy it now after day 2 |
| 19:16.03 | geist | not bad |
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| 19:24.48 | unix_lappy | michaelnovakjr: that certainly isnt the consensus |
| 19:25.01 | michaelnovakjr | ... |
| 19:25.15 | unix_lappy | on iphone vs g1, iphone wins more often than not. |
| 19:25.27 | unix_lappy | Den0ts: 3g? |
| 19:25.50 | f00f- | G1 fanboiz |
| 19:26.00 | michaelnovakjr | unix_lappy: of course... i didn't say it was the consensus... i said from my point of view its better |
| 19:26.20 | Den0ts | yea |
| 19:26.22 | Den0ts | 8 gig |
| 19:26.29 | Phlogi | is there a channel for the g1? |
| 19:26.34 | unix_lappy | michaelnovakjr: yea i get that, i'm just saying. that's certainly not the consensus in the gadget world. |
| 19:26.37 | Den0ts | lol why would there be |
| 19:26.40 | Den0ts | isnt this chan good enough |
| 19:26.58 | Phlogi | nope :D |
| 19:26.59 | Phlogi | its not |
| 19:27.48 | Phlogi | what ways are there to listen to music with that phone? I mean there is no earphone jack thing right? |
| 19:28.05 | michaelnovakjr | its easy to look that up online Phlogi |
| 19:28.12 | michaelnovakjr | it comes with headphones |
| 19:28.20 | Den0ts | phlogi i ordered adapters , mini usb to 3.5 |
| 19:28.20 | michaelnovakjr | its all on T-Mobile's site |
| 19:28.24 | Phlogi | michaelnovakjr: hmm what kind of headphones? |
| 19:28.28 | Den0ts | less than 2$ free shipping |
| 19:28.34 | Phlogi | Death_Syn: hmm how big is that thing? oh ok |
| 19:28.37 | f00f- | Den0ts link |
| 19:28.44 | Den0ts | un momento |
| 19:28.58 | Phlogi | michaelnovakjr: is the t-mobile site the best source atm? |
| 19:29.05 | Phlogi | I mean for such type of information |
| 19:29.18 | michaelnovakjr | for G1 specs sure, they have the information |
| 19:29.41 | Phlogi | I mean those adapters are annoying |
| 19:30.10 | michaelnovakjr | Phlogi: you don't need an adapter for what comes with the G1 |
| 19:30.17 | f00f- | umm |
| 19:30.27 | f00f- | what comes with the G1 is a stupid decision |
| 19:30.31 | f00f- | why not just expose a 3,5 mm jack |
| 19:30.32 | michaelnovakjr | why |
| 19:30.56 | michaelnovakjr | f00f-: i agree, but it does'nt require an adapter for what is inside |
| 19:31.10 | michaelnovakjr | previously HTC did require such an adapter, this time around they didn't |
| 19:31.20 | f00f- | an adapter is still an adapter :) |
| 19:31.31 | Death_Syn | i got an ExtUSB to 2.5mm adapter and it works nicely |
| 19:31.37 | Death_Syn | I'm probably going to get a splitter soon |
| 19:31.53 | Den0ts | ok i lied its 2.77 |
| 19:32.14 | f00f- | what's the link buddy |
| 19:32.44 | Den0ts | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280277868575 |
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| 19:32.53 | Den0ts | sorry i was trying to get the real link, not the one for my accont |
| 19:34.26 | DannyB | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=fetishtoysforspiders |
| 19:34.28 | DannyB | crap |
| 19:35.05 | f00f- | not going to click that one |
| 19:35.08 | f00f- | okay |
| 19:35.18 | f00f- | so it can be had for cheaps |
| 19:35.22 | Disconnect | i got the 3-way, it makes the music player go insane :( |
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| 19:35.56 | Den0ts | does google docs have an ope api |
| 19:36.02 | Den0ts | like can you apply it to an html document |
| 19:36.19 | Den0ts | so computer illiterate users can edit a web site like they would in google docs |
| 19:36.26 | f00f- | yes |
| 19:36.30 | f00f- | but there is also google sites |
| 19:36.46 | Den0ts | explain |
| 19:37.14 | f00f- | how do you think android.com is built? |
| 19:37.19 | f00f- | using google sites |
| 19:37.26 | Phlogi | michaelnovakjr: what do you mean? |
| 19:37.44 | Phlogi | michaelnovakjr: whate comes with it? earphones? |
| 19:37.49 | michaelnovakjr | yes |
| 19:37.55 | michaelnovakjr | its all on t-mobiles websit |
| 19:37.57 | michaelnovakjr | e |
| 19:37.59 | Phlogi | anyone from europe here who bought a g1 via ebay? |
| 19:38.10 | michaelnovakjr | this channel is getting stupid |
| 19:38.13 | Phlogi | michaelnovakjr: link? |
| 19:38.26 | f00f- | this channel is stupid |
| 19:38.31 | f00f- | it's a real cesspit of g1 and android trolls |
| 19:38.50 | Cedric2 | ... and Google employees |
| 19:38.53 | Cedric2 | Avoid. |
| 19:39.11 | kRutOn | do not want |
| 19:39.17 | Disconnect | would love to see most of this stuff answered in the topic, but thats not gonna happen.. |
| 19:39.23 | f00f- | umm |
| 19:39.27 | f00f- | juts have a FAQ link |
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| 19:39.40 | f00f- | the ops dont understand |
| 19:39.41 | Phlogi | this damn tmobile website sucks I only get to the flash |
| 19:40.43 | Den0ts | i have a chan on efnet |
| 19:40.44 | Den0ts | lol |
| 19:40.54 | michaelnovakjr | good send everyone there |
| 19:41.02 | Den0ts | lol |
| 19:41.20 | michaelnovakjr | i liked it better when there were only 60 people in here :) |
| 19:41.30 | Den0ts | theres only 64 in mine |
| 19:42.20 | RyeBrye | Den0ts - what does yours focus on? |
| 19:42.28 | Den0ts | android lol |
| 19:42.46 | RyeBrye | is looking for a G1 device hacking channel |
| 19:42.56 | Den0ts | well we have more hackers than devs |
| 19:42.56 | Den0ts | lol |
| 19:42.58 | Den0ts | its efnet |
| 19:44.01 | Disconnect | no you have more script kiddies than devs. thats different. |
| 19:44.10 | michaelnovakjr | hahahahahaha |
| 19:44.13 | Den0ts | we have some of those to |
| 19:44.44 | RyeBrye | does EFnet still not let you register channels, so everyone has to run protective bot armies to keep a channel held down? |
| 19:44.54 | Den0ts | lol right |
| 19:44.56 | RyeBrye | I haven't hung out on EFNet for years |
| 19:45.01 | Den0ts | weve already had some drama with that |
| 19:45.03 | Den0ts | but i think thats over |
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| 19:45.19 | Den0ts | it was an internal issue with a op turned troll |
| 19:45.50 | Phlogi | so do they ship with earphones via bluetooth or? |
| 19:46.08 | zhobbs | Phlogi: headphones that plug into the usb port |
| 19:46.32 | Phlogi | zhobbs: ah ok, and these are normal earphones or what type? |
| 19:46.42 | Den0ts | nope |
| 19:46.44 | Den0ts | they arent normal |
| 19:46.50 | Den0ts | they are asymetrical |
| 19:46.55 | Den0ts | and have a mic |
| 19:46.57 | Den0ts | they sound great |
| 19:47.00 | Den0ts | but are fugly |
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| 19:47.29 | Phlogi | I can't get the information as the damn flash menu does not work on t-mobile site |
| 19:47.57 | Phlogi | Den0ts: ok, and for normal 3.5mm jack I need small adapter right? |
| 19:48.07 | Den0ts | yea |
| 19:48.08 | Den0ts | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280277868575 |
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| 19:48.30 | Phlogi | anyone knows about the "zoll" gebühren when buying a 3g from usa? |
| 19:48.38 | Phlogi | Den0ts: thanks |
| 19:48.54 | Phlogi | that sucks but ok :D |
| 19:49.15 | Phlogi | I would proabably remove the output plug and directly connect to my earphones :) |
| 19:49.33 | Den0ts | its your charge port too |
| 19:49.34 | Den0ts | lol |
| 19:49.46 | Phlogi | ah I see thats standard htc thing.. they did that on other phones like the same |
| 19:49.59 | Phlogi | Den0ts: No I mean changing just the adapter :) |
| 19:50.23 | Phlogi | to get rid of the second connector |
| 19:50.31 | Den0ts | oh you mean change your headphones to include the adapter |
| 19:50.40 | Den0ts | instead of 3.5 headphones, make usb headphones |
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| 19:53.27 | herriojr | is there a way to get the stack trace to show all of it? Instead of showing "... 13 more" where I can't see where it is happening? |
| 19:55.44 | vol | herriojr: run in debug, it should stop on exceptions |
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| 19:59.43 | fadden | herriojr: it shows the "... N more" when they're redundant. |
| 19:59.47 | zhobbs | jasta: when you stopSelf() in a Service does the process go away for you right away? |
| 20:00.07 | michaelnovakjr | zhobbs: i believe it starts the killing process |
| 20:00.07 | herriojr | has anyone tried using the Rome API in android? |
| 20:00.08 | fadden | herriojr: the full stack trace would just repeat the frames in the full one. |
| 20:00.12 | michaelnovakjr | zhobbs: i believe it starts the killing process |
| 20:00.18 | herriojr | fadden: ok thanks |
| 20:00.29 | michaelnovakjr | the logcat should show the action |
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| 20:01.23 | zhobbs | michaelnovakjr: yeah, it says it's stopped the service but the process still hangs around |
| 20:01.49 | zhobbs | and with that "ServiceViewer" apps people are bitching because my process is hanging around...even though I stopSelf() |
| 20:03.10 | yakischloba | Oh man. I just finally saw my update notification but I accidentally dropped down the notification bar and now the update thing is gone...how do I get it back ?! :( |
| 20:04.06 | zhobbs | yakischloba: it should only go away if you hit the "clear notifications" button or clear it programatically |
| 20:04.19 | yakischloba | I did not |
| 20:04.31 | yakischloba | at least not intentionally, and I certainly don't think I did on accident |
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| 20:05.57 | michaelnovakjr | zhobbs: does the thread owner die |
| 20:07.05 | BluesLee | do the guys join this channel who ported android to the freerunner? |
| 20:07.16 | zhobbs | michaelnovakjr: yeah...and looks like the process dies eventually I guess, just takes a while |
| 20:08.25 | Disconnect | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:08.56 | DannyB | Disconnect: profile and fix :) |
| 20:09.22 | androoid | how come the market is crashing?????????? bah |
| 20:09.24 | Disconnect | DannyB: i'd love to, except i can't seem to install an updated version of teh browser onto my locked down phone. |
| 20:09.33 | michaelnovakjr | zhobbs: hm, do you have a handler that returns when the work is done? |
| 20:09.46 | Disconnect | and since its got fsck-all for storage i really am loathe to replace yet -another- stock app with renamed versions |
| 20:09.46 | fadden | Disconnect: can't be done in the emulator? |
| 20:09.55 | DannyB | you can use the emulator |
| 20:10.00 | DannyB | and you can run apps off sdcard, iirc |
| 20:10.10 | DannyB | maybe i misremember |
| 20:10.10 | DannyB | :) |
| 20:10.11 | Disconnect | off sdcard? since when? |
| 20:10.20 | michaelnovakjr | yea not off the sdcard guys :) |
| 20:10.24 | Disconnect | its not 'secure" |
| 20:10.34 | michaelnovakjr | the directory /data/app is not mounted there :) |
| 20:10.38 | zhobbs | michaelnovakjr: yeah, I'm logging out that I'm about to stopSelf(), and I see ActivityManager "Stopping service: XXX" in logcat |
| 20:10.39 | michaelnovakjr | so no sdcard is a no go |
| 20:11.14 | michaelnovakjr | zhobbs: do you have a race condition? |
| 20:11.33 | BHSPitWeb | Does anyone know the keymap android uses at the kernel level? |
| 20:12.13 | michaelnovakjr | BHSPitWeb: i see this stuff in my logcat /system/usr/keychars/qwerty.kcm.bin |
| 20:12.23 | zhobbs | michaelnovakjr: sometimes, but I think they're handled appropriately |
| 20:12.55 | fadden | BHSPitWeb: development/emulator/keymaps/ has some stuff |
| 20:13.22 | BHSPitWeb | fadden: in the SDK? |
| 20:13.39 | BHSPitWeb | michaelnovakjr: I don't have access to a G1 :/ |
| 20:13.44 | fadden | build/target/board/generic/ has some .kcm / .kl |
| 20:13.50 | fadden | BHSPitWeb: no, in the GIT sources |
| 20:13.54 | BHSPitWeb | ah |
| 20:14.41 | michaelnovakjr | BHSPitWeb: is it not on the emulator? |
| 20:14.57 | michaelnovakjr | but yea, check the source :) |
| 20:15.35 | BHSPitWeb | I'm just trying to find the events mapped to some of the phone's buttons, like KEY_PHONE and etc |
| 20:16.05 | BHSPitWeb | I'm wondering if Android has certain expectations for what a "Home" button or a "Talk" button should be mapped to |
| 20:16.11 | fadden | BHSPitWeb: do you have /system/bin/getevent ? |
| 20:16.47 | RyeBrye | just out of curiosity - anyone know the key size the firmware flashes are signed with? |
| 20:18.32 | BHSPitWeb | fadden, not to my knowledge |
| 20:19.31 | BHSPitWeb | I just now came across /arch/arm/mach-omap1/board-*.c, which relates to what I'm looking for |
| 20:20.16 | BHSPitWeb | I'm working on a kernel for my (non-G1) device, and I'm trying to get examples of what is used for certain keys |
| 20:20.43 | BHSPitWeb | like what event is appropriate for taking the user back to the home screen, for instance |
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| 20:26.33 | BHSPitWeb | back in a while |
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| 20:28.27 | oinkboink | there are thaughts about android apps on the pc-desktop? |
| 20:28.42 | jaek | is there any way to tether my g1 to my lappy right now? |
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| 20:29.47 | Cedric2 | jaek: somebody posted a proxy app on Market. It's not tethering per se, but it can help |
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| 20:30.50 | jaek | checking out this "proxy app" |
| 20:32.01 | jaek | Cedric2, what should i search for? |
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| 20:35.39 | Cedric2 | jasta: mmh can't find the app any more, sorry |
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| 20:37.11 | Cedric2 | I meant jaek2: |
| 20:37.21 | Cedric2 | (I blame automatic completion) |
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| 20:43.54 | RyeBrye | Is the code in the source.android.com for the recovery stuff the same as the stuff that gets built and deployed on our devices? |
| 20:43.57 | herriojr | has anyone else tried the Rome API for RSS? |
| 20:44.46 | fadden | RyeBrye: yes |
| 20:45.19 | RyeBrye | Is there a reason the public key is distributed in the update files, and the phone doesn't use one already stored on the device to verify the signatures? |
| 20:46.08 | andyross | Surely that's a stub key, no? It's obviously a non-starter if the key isn't fixed with the device. |
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| 20:53.07 | RyeBrye | Yeah, it's probably nothing |
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| 20:53.38 | chouman82 | hey guys, any of you faced problem with the inputstream on the G1? |
| 20:54.03 | chouman82 | where all of a sudden the inputstream just dies and that in the browser when you go to any url, a blank page shows up |
| 20:58.24 | RyeBrye | back to work |
| 21:02.13 | Den0ts | is there an rss for the market place? |
| 21:02.28 | Den0ts | i want one that provides news on new and updated apps |
| 21:02.36 | Den0ts | so i can add it to google reader |
| 21:02.38 | Den0ts | and check it every day |
| 21:02.41 | Disconnect | no |
| 21:02.53 | Disconnect | but there is a magic key called comma (looks like , ) that you can use instead |
| 21:02.53 | Disconnect | of enter |
| 21:02.55 | Disconnect | when you want to indicate |
| 21:02.57 | Disconnect | a pause |
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| 21:03.07 | Den0ts | yea sorry |
| 21:03.16 | Den0ts | but somtimes i want to add ideas after i hit enter |
| 21:03.22 | Disconnect | :) |
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| 21:05.02 | Den0ts | so circuit city is about to go under? |
| 21:05.22 | vol | if we're lucky |
| 21:05.46 | trigatch4 | yeah |
| 21:05.53 | trigatch4 | Cicruit Shitty is trading at 38 cents |
| 21:05.54 | Den0ts | i like circuit city better than best buy |
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| 21:05.58 | trigatch4 | WHAT? |
| 21:06.05 | bstock | they both suck |
| 21:06.07 | trigatch4 | Circuit City is a piece of dung |
| 21:06.11 | Den0ts | the people at best buy ar emorongs, at least at circuit city they dont have anyone to help you |
| 21:06.17 | Den0ts | morons |
| 21:06.23 | trigatch4 | my most recent post on phandroid illustrates exactly why |
| 21:06.23 | vol | that's because they fired everyone about a year ago |
| 21:06.25 | vol | as a cost-cutting move |
| 21:06.26 | Disconnect | ok so except for the bit about android being less secure than blackberry (etc) the verizon slam sheet is perfectly accurate.. |
| 21:06.31 | Disconnect | doesn't get the outrage |
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| 21:07.29 | bstock | Disconnect: you have a link to that 'slam sheet'? |
| 21:07.35 | Disconnect | http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/10/31/verizon-wants-you-to-know-why-you-shouldnt-buy-the-g1/ |
| 21:07.42 | trigatch4 | Disconnect: to me, the funny part is they slam Android for being "limited" and also slam it for being "open" |
| 21:07.50 | trigatch4 | verizon limits customers more than any other carrier |
| 21:07.52 | Den0ts | i liked the line about their selection |
| 21:07.56 | trigatch4 | and they are the furthest from open alive |
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| 21:08.48 | Den0ts | oh this is a diff article |
| 21:08.50 | Den0ts | With so many high-end exclusive phones you would think that Verizon would turn a blind eye to this. |
| 21:08.55 | Den0ts | lol |
| 21:09.01 | Disconnect | trigatch4: erm, until g1 tmob was worse. at least a verizon phone can successfully run non-verizon java apps that require net access |
| 21:09.19 | Den0ts | it rung home with me because my friend went and got a new verizon phone last night and he said they only had 2 phones with wifi? |
| 21:09.27 | trigatch4 | until the G1 |
| 21:09.27 | trigatch4 | is the key word |
| 21:09.29 | trigatch4 | the sheet is all about the G1 |
| 21:09.30 | michaelnovakjr | verizon has no idea |
| 21:09.35 | trigatch4 | at least TMO is changing |
| 21:09.43 | trigatch4 | and they are being handsomely rewarded... |
| 21:10.03 | michaelnovakjr | they said the samehing about the iPhone, didn't stop anyone then did it? |
| 21:10.05 | andyross | The most interesting thing about that link is that Verizon feels the need to spin this at all. |
| 21:10.52 | trigatch4 | well... their sales people should be informed |
| 21:11.07 | andyross | Not sure how far upstream verizon passed on Android for the launch. Certainly the G1 won't run on their network, but I don't know if there was CDMA hardware being prototyped, or for how long. |
| 21:11.07 | trigatch4 | it would be negligient for sales reps to NOT know the positives and negatives of the G1 |
| 21:11.14 | michaelnovakjr | it doesn't matter, verizon still has the worst phones |
| 21:11.44 | wasabi | I think i'll go to a verizon store today and quiz them about android. |
| 21:11.49 | Disconnect | michaelnovakjr: until the g1 :) |
| 21:12.00 | trigatch4 | except the LG Voyager = best keyboard alive |
| 21:12.05 | trigatch4 | and BlackBerry Storm is going to sell like hotcakes |
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| 21:12.13 | wasabi | I don't much want a G1 though |
| 21:12.17 | wasabi | I want a phone I can replace the OS on |
| 21:12.49 | andyross | Most of those gripes are legitimate, though. Which brings up a good question: what's the real problem with not having video capture? The camera app too seems really slow. Is this a hardware thing or just something that never got gotten do during development? |
| 21:13.06 | wasabi | probably just stuff that needs to be fixed. |
| 21:13.10 | wasabi | But didn't prevent release. |
| 21:13.16 | RyeBrye | To use signapk - I need a x509 public key and a pk8 private key, right? |
| 21:13.18 | wasabi | Same as any device. |
| 21:13.24 | trigatch4 | andyross: i think instead of pretending they would be able to make the best camera apps, they just decided to focus on other things and leave that stuff up to devs |
| 21:13.24 | andyross | Not a lot of complexity in running a framegrabber and spitting it through a codec though... |
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| 21:13.38 | wasabi | Maybe a crappy developer worked on it. |
| 21:13.46 | wasabi | And nobody cleaned it up in time for release. |
| 21:13.48 | wasabi | Shit happens. |
| 21:13.58 | andyross | trigatch4: I'm hopeful that's it too, but the general disappointment with the camera app hints to me that this might be a hardware misfeature. |
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| 21:14.06 | RyeBrye | I would google signapk - but it's being covered up! http://www.google.com/search?q=signapk ;) |
| 21:14.16 | trigatch4 | for example why couldn't Kodak come out with an Android App that uses some of their patented tecnology for photo editing and other integration with their competitive advantages |
| 21:14.20 | wasabi | So there ever going to be an android phone I can flash? |
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| 21:14.46 | andyross | wasabi: From a carrier, out of the box? Unlikely. |
| 21:14.54 | Disconnect | i'd expect that before you start going down the final road for release you do basic functionality tests of the core apps: gmail, email, camera, music player, commercial apps (market, mp3) |
| 21:15.00 | wasabi | I'd be fine with just being able to buy it seperately. |
| 21:15.05 | wasabi | like any other gsm phone |
| 21:15.13 | Disconnect | except for the g1, which did basic functionality tests of gmail. |
| 21:15.16 | trigatch4 | andyross: the G1 is by no means the best hardware on the market, but its very competitive if you look at whats out there and for similar prices |
| 21:15.20 | trigatch4 | and thats for the phone itself |
| 21:15.33 | trigatch4 | throw in the android market and the iphone is quite literally the only competition |
| 21:15.47 | trigatch4 | which is also the beauty |
| 21:15.52 | trigatch4 | people are complaining about hardware now |
| 21:16.00 | andyross | Sure sure. But I'm talking specifically about the camera hardware, and whether or not the slowness of the builtin camera application and the lack of video are related to an underlying hardware problem. I'm not flaming about the platform as a whole. |
| 21:16.00 | wasabi | I just wish OpenMoko didn't flop. =( |
| 21:16.02 | spikebike | wasabi openmoko |
| 21:16.03 | trigatch4 | but in 2 years there will be TONS of phones on TONS of carriers all over the world |
| 21:16.08 | trigatch4 | you'll have plenty of choice |
| 21:16.13 | BluesLee | wasabi: YEAH |
| 21:16.38 | spikebike | android could help openmoko |
| 21:16.38 | wasabi | Openmoko screwed up royally. So much work b eing put into such a featureless piece of software. To many man hours spent on tweaking technology nobody cared about. |
| 21:16.44 | BluesLee | are there any freerunner images available yet? |
| 21:16.45 | wasabi | like hiring those guys to rework gtk theming. |
| 21:16.51 | trigatch4 | i'm sad the camera doesn't have a flash |
| 21:16.56 | wasabi | Should have spent money on making a dialer that works first. |
| 21:16.58 | spikebike | I wonder if HTC will sell open g1's direct |
| 21:17.00 | bmunger_ | i want android for my htc titan |
| 21:17.03 | trigatch4 | phones need flash cameras by default |
| 21:17.06 | Disconnect | trigatch4: or it'll hit walmart and too many non-hackers will expect it to Just Work and it'll get a stigma it never loses until it fades away. (hmm... qpe?..) |
| 21:17.07 | trigatch4 | it should be standard |
| 21:17.24 | trigatch4 | Disconnect: that won't happen |
| 21:17.26 | andyross | Flash (optical, not electronic) eats battery like nobody's business though. |
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| 21:17.28 | BluesLee | wasabi: the problems are deeper |
| 21:17.29 | trigatch4 | it works just fine? |
| 21:17.53 | trigatch4 | to a regular consumer, the G1 does much more than they need/want to |
| 21:18.01 | trigatch4 | there are small problems and tics here or there |
| 21:18.04 | trigatch4 | but every phone has them |
| 21:18.13 | Disconnect | andyross: e90 manages to have a -super- bright flash without seriously impacting battery life. or at least, i took upwards of 20-30 flash pics without noticably affecting my power level at the end of the day. |
| 21:18.25 | wasabi | BluesLee: I dunno. I'd be fine with a cell phone with a GSM unit, and shit load of flash, and a plain ol' Ubuntu install with an X server and plain ol Gtk apps, reusing maemo bits. |
| 21:18.26 | BluesLee | wasabi: non supported ti gsm chip, non documented at commands which solve some issues like echo ... |
| 21:18.38 | wasabi | You know. |
| 21:18.43 | Disconnect | trigatch4: to a regular consumer, they're going to expect the camera to work. (oops). and to play music. (oops). and possibly to read non-gmail email (oops) |
| 21:18.47 | wasabi | If nokia just pt a GSM until into the maemo, and fixed the battery lifetime. |
| 21:18.49 | wasabi | I'd be cool with that too! |
| 21:19.06 | andyross | What's a "regular consumer" though? Certainly the G1 has a top notch browser whose only competition is the iPhone. As an audio player, it's kinda mediocre. And it has no business document features at all, which makes it a very poor competitor to windows mobile for those users. Everyone's got their own desires. |
| 21:19.30 | BluesLee | wasabi: never ownded a nokia tablet |
| 21:19.47 | BluesLee | wasabi: i would go the same way with a zaurus;-) |
| 21:20.16 | Disconnect | andyross: that list is a set of basic, core functionality that is available in every free phone from just about every carrier. not to mention being things that the iphone does either well or amazingly well... |
| 21:20.36 | Disconnect | wasabi: there's the wimax one. |
| 21:21.07 | BluesLee | wasabi: something likae that http://www.intomobile.com/2008/10/14/sharp-9225h-looks-like-a-sub-netbook.html |
| 21:22.02 | michaelnovakjr | i love how verizon bashed the no exchange support |
| 21:22.08 | michaelnovakjr | its coming :) |
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| 21:22.57 | Disconnect | michaelnovakjr: ..so's christmas |
| 21:23.20 | michaelnovakjr | what's that mean? |
| 21:24.01 | Disconnect | imap fix is "coming" .. exchange support is "coming" .. scheduler stability is "coming" .. but none of this matters until tmob collects enough fixes to be worth the cost/risk of another OTA upgrade. |
| 21:24.33 | michaelnovakjr | it'll come soon enough |
| 21:25.03 | Disconnect | so unless you have inside info that tmob is gonna push updates on a short release cycle (which would be kinda nuts from their perspective) "its coming" doesn't mean much.. |
| 21:25.33 | Disconnect | admittedly exchange can be pushed as an addon app. but .. ugh. core os functions don't belong in the teeny tiny user space :) |
| 21:26.07 | trigatch4 | ummmmmm |
| 21:26.14 | spikebike | maybe moto will sell android apps direct to end users that are open |
| 21:26.19 | trigatch4 | the camera works fine minus any editing crap which im guess will come with an app |
| 21:26.20 | spikebike | (they currently sell direct) |
| 21:26.23 | trigatch4 | i can play music |
| 21:26.28 | trigatch4 | and i can check non gmail email |
| 21:26.29 | trigatch4 | so? |
| 21:26.51 | spikebike | maybe moto will sell android phones direct to end users that are open |
| 21:26.56 | spikebike | (sorry for the typo) |
| 21:27.04 | michaelnovakjr | open? |
| 21:27.10 | spikebike | reflashable |
| 21:27.13 | trigatch4 | spikebike: motodroid not coming until winter 2009 |
| 21:27.43 | michaelnovakjr | i doubt you'd be able to flash it |
| 21:28.09 | Disconnect | trigatch4: amazon mp3 purchaser is broken for _ filenames in r19 (and many people are still there). and - at least for me - the music player behaves like an epileptic cd player if i plug in a headset adapter (plays 15-90 seconds, then goes to the main player page and skips to a new song, forgetting history). and imap email doesn't save read/delete status to the server in any sort of reliable way (afaik deletes still don't get posted, and read/unread gets pos |
| 21:28.16 | spikebike | frustrating that even with the source to android you can't change anything 8-( |
| 21:28.51 | michaelnovakjr | you guys complain a lot for a system that is more open than anything else on the market right now |
| 21:29.00 | michaelnovakjr | instead of crying about it why not help fix it |
| 21:29.06 | spikebike | more open? |
| 21:29.37 | michaelnovakjr | i'm exhausted, you get the point |
| 21:29.40 | spikebike | tons of phones allow java development |
| 21:29.44 | Disconnect | michaelnovakjr: s/open/broken/ and i'd love to. explain how i can flash a debug-enabled browser and i'll get hacking on my biggest pet peeves. |
| 21:29.46 | jbq | There are also several efforts going on to get Android running on OpenMoko phones. |
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| 21:30.09 | michaelnovakjr | spikebike: what does java have anything to do with it |
| 21:30.12 | trigatch4 | Disconnect: early adopters always pay a price. if you want to know exactly how a product works before you buy it, wait a coupla weeks and read reviews from others who have it online. |
| 21:30.16 | michaelnovakjr | its the fact you have access to lots of stuff |
| 21:30.38 | Disconnect | source availability on a locked platform means i can find out why its broken, and still not be able to fix it. |
| 21:30.38 | michaelnovakjr | Disconnect: what would that achieve? |
| 21:30.55 | trigatch4 | the G1 isn't perfect... but neither is any other phone out there |
| 21:30.56 | michaelnovakjr | who says you can't fix it? |
| 21:31.10 | trigatch4 | you're still within your 30 days... can't you just return it if you don't like how it works? |
| 21:31.19 | trigatch4 | nobody is forcing you to keep it |
| 21:31.21 | spikebike | trigatch4 agreed, but the source just makes it twice as frustrating that you can't fix it |
| 21:31.22 | androoid | it's only been a week???????????? |
| 21:31.42 | michaelnovakjr | why are we saying you can't fix it |
| 21:31.45 | Disconnect | michaelnovakjr: ok. so again, explain how i can put the fixed (or further broken, or debug-enabled, or just purple-backgrounded) version onto the device |
| 21:31.52 | michaelnovakjr | what is preventing you from coding a fix and submitting a patch? |
| 21:32.11 | Disconnect | inability to test the fix in the conditions that i'm producing the bug |
| 21:32.21 | michaelnovakjr | Disconnect: you can load it in the emulator and submit the patch to google, if you are a good programmer your fix ends up in a build :) |
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| 21:32.25 | fadden | Disconnect: doesn't repeat on the emulator? (Yes, I'm repeating myself somewhat.) |
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| 21:33.18 | Laz | trigatch4: its 14 days unless you live in cali |
| 21:33.24 | michaelnovakjr | just because there's no instant gratification doesn't mean it can't be fixed |
| 21:34.08 | michaelnovakjr | Disconnect: have you written any software yet? |
| 21:34.13 | romainguy___ | Disconnect: the emulator is good enough for the Android team to test on, it should be good enough for you :) |
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| 21:35.13 | Disconnect | trigatch4: i never said it wasn't someday going to be good. i said, specifically, right now, it shouldn't have gotten out of beta and -certainly- shouldn't be going mass market (@ walmart and similar) because when Joe Random gets this thing he's gonna rapidly discover the only thing it can do well is web browse (mostly) and gmail. |
| 21:35.38 | michaelnovakjr | i've done more than that so far :) |
| 21:35.44 | michaelnovakjr | without problems too :) |
| 21:35.48 | fadden | Disconnect: we do a pretty damn good job of calculating tips too. |
| 21:35.57 | Disconnect | haven't tried but ok :) |
| 21:35.58 | romainguy___ | fadden: and predict the weather |
| 21:36.04 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 21:36.05 | michaelnovakjr | and cut ringtones |
| 21:36.16 | Disconnect | weather apps are hit or miss, too many of them need gps and too many people are having gps probs |
| 21:36.47 | spikebike | yeah |
| 21:36.53 | Disconnect | (fwiw my gps experience has been passable. takes forever to get a hit while moving at -all- but it does get hits in 'adversarial' areas like inside the office building and under overhangs and such) |
| 21:36.54 | fadden | (old joke) if the phone is wet, it's raining. If it's covered in white stuff, it's snowing. ... |
| 21:37.09 | spikebike | google needs a add this position for this access point to the db |
| 21:37.10 | Disconnect | if its on fire, it must have been a christmas present... |
| 21:37.26 | spikebike | seems silly to have a resolution of half a city when such info is trivial to get |
| 21:37.26 | Disconnect | oh yah i almost forgot, wifi is hit or miss |
| 21:37.37 | romainguy___ | sounds like you have a defective device :) |
| 21:37.45 | romainguy___ | GPS and WiFi have been working fine for months for me |
| 21:37.46 | michaelnovakjr | yea :) |
| 21:37.54 | michaelnovakjr | my wifi is great and 3G is fast too |
| 21:38.38 | Disconnect | romainguy__: if i powercycle the ap, it will connect for as much as a few hours. (sure, sounds like an ap problem, except for the n800 thats had a steady connection for the past 2 months...) |
| 21:39.07 | romainguy___ | Disconnect: sorry to hear that |
| 21:39.09 | michaelnovakjr | Disconnect: it sounds like you don't want to get your device checked because you'll have nothing to complain about :) |
| 21:39.10 | Disconnect | 3g is pretty good. although i've recently started having issues where coming out of the metro tunnel it gets wedged in a no-data state. have to toggle airplane mode (or reboot) and hten its like nothing happened |
| 21:39.24 | Disconnect | michaelnovakjr: i'd love to swap devices. how do i back up my bookmarks and sms's and stuff? |
| 21:39.27 | romainguy___ | (my ap used to go down after 2 hours of VPN... changed the AP, problem went away :)) |
| 21:39.55 | spikebike | disconnect easy, open your phone and perform some surgery on the surface mount chips ;-) |
| 21:40.02 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
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| 21:40.21 | spikebike | if only nokia shipped a n800 with a cell interface |
| 21:40.26 | Disconnect | ap itself is fine, doesn't affect any other connections. and its not just home ap, work and public wifi ones behave the same way.. (and conveniently, i'm usually also using my mbp so i can get a solid look at how good/bad the signal is and such.) |
| 21:41.04 | michaelnovakjr | the only time wifi didn't work was when i typed the password wrong :) |
| 21:41.11 | Disconnect | heh |
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| 21:41.16 | Disconnect | with wpa2 personal? |
| 21:41.20 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 21:41.22 | michaelnovakjr | and WEP |
| 21:41.27 | michaelnovakjr | i've connected to both |
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| 21:41.49 | michaelnovakjr | i'm liking the device a lot |
| 21:42.14 | Disconnect | (heard from various posters that they have wpa2 problems also) |
| 21:42.51 | anno^da_ | Have you seen that : http://cgi.ebay.de/T-Mobile-Google-G1-Android-G-1-NEU-UNLOCKED-DEUTSCHLAND_W0QQitemZ140278400544QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140278400544&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1229|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 <- 722 EUR for a G1 (1135$) |
| 21:43.24 | michaelnovakjr | that's expensive, not worth it |
| 21:43.49 | vol | jeez. |
| 21:44.22 | Dialekt | so how are the guinea pigs holdin up? |
| 21:44.27 | Dialekt | pretty solid ? |
| 21:44.33 | anno^da_ | It is a joke. And result of the US/UK only strategy :( |
| 21:46.10 | waldo-g1 | woohoo nerw connectbot in market |
| 21:46.42 | wastrel | we like the connectbot |
| 21:48.19 | michaelnovakjr | i will say, the one thing i would really like to see is the market app updated |
| 21:48.27 | michaelnovakjr | it would be nice to support application updates |
| 21:48.29 | dd94300 | what is Stk? it is listed as one of the application in source code........ |
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| 21:49.42 | umdk1d3 | and yay! it keeps your old host database intact =D |
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| 21:49.43 | spikebike | waldo sweet |
| 21:49.52 | spikebike | I was hoping for ssh keys |
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| 21:50.31 | anno^da_ | Could some of the google guys (swetland, morrildl or romainguy) comment on the rumoured developer devices? Would be nice to know something about a timeframe. |
| 21:50.33 | spikebike | does the connectbot author hang out here? |
| 21:50.45 | michaelnovakjr | ^^ |
| 21:51.07 | nightwatch | hi there Im trying to download the adroid source code using that script repo but it is toooo slowww.. and is not my connection... any advice to fix it? |
| 21:51.53 | Cedric2 | jaek? |
| 21:52.07 | Disconnect | i think connectbot is broken tho, it didn't request gps or the ability to send sms's or anything. how do we know its any good if it doesn't need all the permissions it can possibly have? |
| 21:52.15 | michaelnovakjr | nightwatch: just grab a coke and let it download :) |
| 21:52.18 | jaek | Cedric2, huh? |
| 21:52.48 | Cedric2 | I found the proxy: |
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| 21:52.51 | michaelnovakjr | boy Disconnect you are quite the negative today huh? |
| 21:52.53 | cmonex | wow hi nightwatch |
| 21:52.57 | Cedric2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.01 | Cedric2 | Haven't tried it, so no guarantees |
| 21:53.03 | trigatch4 | Disconnect is filling in for jasta ;) jk |
| 21:54.18 | umdk1d3 | Disconnect: rofl ;) |
| 21:54.34 | Disconnect | michaelnovakjr: that was obviously a joke, but take it however you like. in an environment where 3/4 of the simple notepad apps require net access, gps and the ability to read/write my contacts.... (and where we're successfully training users to pull a windows and just keep clicking 'yes' until its installed) it seemed appropriate to highlight one of the few apps that doesn't pull all that crap. |
| 21:54.47 | michaelnovakjr | Disconnect: :) |
| 21:54.52 | michaelnovakjr | i know what you mean |
| 21:55.04 | unix_lappy | random question, anyone here use google desktop, copernic desktop, etc? |
| 21:55.06 | michaelnovakjr | it is pretty bad |
| 21:55.18 | michaelnovakjr | Disconnect: i was going to add GPS to the file manager |
| 21:55.25 | michaelnovakjr | just to fit in |
| 21:55.36 | Disconnect | michaelnovakjr: word around here is that some apps are literally just using it to spy on users. |
| 21:55.37 | BHSPitWeb | Well it helps to know exactly WHERE on your flash chip the data is stored |
| 21:55.41 | umdk1d3 | it would be nice if you could decide to reject a permiossion from an app |
| 21:55.45 | Disconnect | yah |
| 21:55.50 | BHSPitWeb | so you can find it faster later |
| 21:55.53 | michaelnovakjr | umdk1d3: that would be nice |
| 21:56.11 | Disconnect | like i was saying last week.. gps doesn't need to be allowed or uninstalled. its perfectly ok to tell the app 'no fix' forever until i say it can know. |
| 21:56.13 | BHSPitWeb | umdk1d3: I'm kind of disappointed that's not the case |
| 21:56.16 | BHSPitWeb | hi by the way |
| 21:56.21 | romainguy___ | Disconnect: it works for GPS |
| 21:56.23 | nightwatch | bit it is not download the source yet.. is just that manifest thing.. |
| 21:56.25 | romainguy___ | doesn't work so well for other things |
| 21:56.26 | umdk1d3 | oh hey again BHSPitWeb :) |
| 21:56.31 | romainguy___ | like accessing contacts, reading settings, etc. |
| 21:56.36 | spikebike | hrm, so today it's basically impossible to use an external gps? |
| 21:56.41 | spikebike | I.e. vis bluetooth |
| 21:57.07 | spikebike | er via |
| 21:57.09 | Disconnect | romainguy___: gps, net access, contacts ('no contacts'), sms's ('no sms' and 'can't send') .. much of it can be covered with whatever handles "no cell signal/no net access" |
| 21:57.46 | Disconnect | romainguy___: its not 100% but its close. can't write perms is easy enough (noop/success), although it may result in unexpected application flailing about |
| 21:58.05 | languish | I figured out how to get around the apps that uselessly want contact and gps info. I took out the battery. HAH. I fooled THEM. |
| 21:58.11 | romainguy___ | the problem is that you want apps to be able to distinguish between an error/no data and a permission refusal |
| 21:58.18 | romainguy___ | just failing is not acceptable |
| 21:58.30 | romainguy___ | I'm not saying having fine grained permissions is not a good idea |
| 21:58.31 | romainguy___ | it is |
| 21:58.33 | romainguy___ | we totally agree |
| 21:58.43 | kRutOn | spikebike: unfortunately, they do hang out here |
| 21:58.49 | romainguy___ | it has to be done the right way though |
| 21:59.16 | michaelnovakjr | agreed |
| 21:59.38 | spikebike | kRutOn the connectbot author? |
| 21:59.42 | Disconnect | i don't think apps should be able to distinguish between that. in sdk1 there's no way to do it anyway, so sdk1 needs to just hide it behind no-data-available. sdk2 can say "tell me if a perm is blocked" but that needs to be toggleable by the user - maybe i don't want this shopping list to freak at me every 2 minutes because i won't let it hit gps... |
| 21:59.43 | spikebike | nick? |
| 21:59.58 | kRutOn | spikebike: kRutOn and umdk1d3 |
| 22:00.02 | umdk1d3 | spikebike: yea both of us lol |
| 22:00.20 | _avatar | great job, guys. |
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| 22:00.24 | _avatar | connectbot is very well done |
| 22:00.49 | languish | spikebike. go to connectbots donation page, and use it. then bug them about new features and tell them how wonderful they are |
| 22:00.50 | languish | :P |
| 22:00.51 | Disconnect | should prolly file that as a bug |
| 22:00.58 | spikebike | is it opensource? |
| 22:01.01 | umdk1d3 | it still has some quirks, but is relatively solid |
| 22:01.09 | spikebike | the new update looks very promising |
| 22:01.27 | umdk1d3 | spikebike: yep, kRutOn even has svn builds autocreated and put into featured downloads |
| 22:01.44 | spikebike | heh |
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| 22:02.04 | spikebike | krut0n cool, I was thinking of writing a client that was basically a hardware token for ssh-agent and openid |
| 22:02.22 | spikebike | i.e. new windows/logins on your desktop would talk to your g1 and ask for yes/no |
| 22:02.32 | umdk1d3 | ooh now that sounds interesting |
| 22:02.33 | spikebike | much like the hardware tokens that are fairly common |
| 22:02.37 | umdk1d3 | like having a securid token? |
| 22:02.42 | spikebike | ya |
| 22:02.58 | spikebike | so you say on your desktop firefox -> openid website |
| 22:02.58 | umdk1d3 | problem is that its not entirely isolated |
| 22:03.02 | kRutOn | yeah, I was thinking Mac OS X Keychain |
| 22:03.07 | spikebike | or ssh -l root randomserver |
| 22:03.33 | spikebike | not entirely isolated? |
| 22:03.33 | umdk1d3 | the reason securid works so nicely is there is a big shared secret that is pretty much embedded in that token and hard to extract |
| 22:03.44 | Disconnect | you need bluetooth access, which iirc is not available in the sdk |
| 22:03.48 | spikebike | no |
| 22:03.52 | spikebike | could use XMPP |
| 22:04.54 | spikebike | so basically ssh-agent or an openid server/proxy encrypts with the g1's private key |
| 22:05.50 | spikebike | er public key |
| 22:05.50 | spikebike | saying something like timestamp, ip, auth request, token |
| 22:05.51 | spikebike | g1 displays that info and say yes/no, then encrypts the response in the auth/prox/openid |
| 22:05.51 | spikebike | public key |
| 22:05.54 | spikebike | sends that over XMPP and the openid/ssh-agent acts appropiately |
| 22:06.01 | spikebike | the cool thing is the g1's private key never leaves the g1 |
| 22:06.16 | spikebike | and even with insecure communication you shouldn't be leaking, sniffable, replayable, etc. |
| 22:06.38 | spikebike | no worries about sharing passwords across sites |
| 22:06.44 | spikebike | keyboard sniffers |
| 22:06.48 | spikebike | shoulder sniffing |
| 22:06.52 | spikebike | er surfing |
| 22:08.13 | BHSPitWeb | spikebike: when the last 4 or 5 messages in a channel are from you, that's how you know when you need to slow down or write longer messages :P |
| 22:08.25 | BHSPitWeb | or... 15 |
| 22:08.29 | michaelnovakjr | yea whoa |
| 22:08.34 | spikebike | heh, k |
| 22:08.48 | BHSPitWeb | umdk1d3: how's that other project coming along? |
| 22:09.00 | BHSPitWeb | or has it not been a priority |
| 22:09.22 | umdk1d3 | BHSPitWeb: other priorities right now :/ |
| 22:09.31 | umdk1d3 | but feel free to get started on it if you like |
| 22:09.50 | unix_lappy | you talking about five? |
| 22:09.59 | umdk1d3 | unix_lappy: nah something else ;) |
| 22:10.17 | unix_lappy | hopes five is the other priority :-P |
| 22:10.30 | unix_lappy | cracks his whip! |
| 22:10.38 | BHSPitWeb | five? |
| 22:10.48 | michaelnovakjr | Five is jasta's project |
| 22:11.07 | unix_lappy | ahh, what was your active project umdk1d3 ? |
| 22:11.11 | BHSPitWeb | umdk1d3: what I would get started on would be something specific to my situation, not the crazy thing you aspired for ;) |
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| 22:14.23 | unix_lappy | http://code.google.com/p/five/ |
| 22:14.41 | BHSPitWeb | oh, I remember seeing that |
| 22:14.43 | donomo | is still waiting for RC29 |
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| 22:17.03 | spikebike | seem like connectbot can generate, but not export keys. I can't find anything when I mount the sd card, or a way to get it to send one. |
| 22:18.07 | Disconnect | there was a way to get it into clipboard, although yes it seems like that is gone |
| 22:18.10 | RyeBrye | Anyone know how to use signapk to sign jars for android? I know you can use the jarsigner, but since the signapk exists I was just curious if I could get it to work |
| 22:21.16 | BHSPitWeb | I like saving android screenshots on my iPod Touch, firing up the Photos app and pretending. |
| 22:21.29 | BHSPitWeb | Some day... sigh |
| 22:22.37 | donomo | BHSPitWeb: haha |
| 22:24.58 | spikebike | you need a VNC server for the g1 and a vnc client for the iphone |
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| 22:28.42 | spikebike | actually the local User group wants an android demo/talk |
| 22:28.56 | spikebike | vnc or equiv would be useful there as well (to use with a projector) |
| 22:32.05 | BHSPitWeb | spikebike: iPhone has it :P |
| 22:32.15 | spikebike | client? or server and client? |
| 22:32.18 | BHSPitWeb | both |
| 22:32.35 | BHSPitWeb | the server requires jailbreak, though |
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| 22:32.57 | unix_lappy | BHSPitWeb: so why didnt you just get a G1? |
| 22:33.13 | BHSPitWeb | unix_lappy: because my existing HTC is fine |
| 22:33.37 | unix_lappy | strtrk? |
| 22:33.40 | BHSPitWeb | yeah |
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| 22:39.37 | ttuttle | good evening |
| 22:39.56 | trigatch4 | hello |
| 22:41.22 | herriojr | DalvikVM doesn't support ClassLoader, right? |
| 22:41.36 | fadden | It does support ClassLoader. |
| 22:42.06 | fadden | What it doesn't support is a way to load classes from a DEX file that isn't installed by the package manager. |
| 22:42.22 | fadden | or generate classes on the fly. |
| 22:45.49 | spikebike | I wonder if DalvikVM will escape android |
| 22:46.21 | fadden | I wonder if Dalvik VM will be replaced on android. |
| 22:46.30 | fadden | We deliberately made either scenario feasible. |
| 22:47.13 | d0nets | i didnt know this but if you slide up anywhere on the bottom, the apps blind slides up |
| 22:47.19 | d0nets | they should make 3 individual tabs |
| 22:47.28 | d0nets | and have the other 2 be custom |
| 22:47.33 | d0nets | like one be a terminal |
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| 22:48.29 | d0nets | the middle be apps, and the right be somethin else |
| 22:51.03 | BHSPitWeb | d0nets: who is "they"? The magic team of programmers who want you to be happy? |
| 22:51.15 | BHSPitWeb | :P |
| 22:51.28 | d0nets | yes |
| 22:51.31 | d0nets | sorry |
| 22:51.32 | d0nets | WE |
| 22:51.41 | d0nets | I ME JEW |
| 22:52.18 | BHSPitWeb | Hey, I think that's fine, but let's keep religion off-topic shall we |
| 22:52.53 | d0nets | yea sorry |
| 22:53.02 | d0nets | i forget this chan is on freenode |
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| 23:07.36 | pjv | There's some part of the intent loose coupling I seem to be missing: in the Notepad example a new Note is inserted (created) by sending an INSERT action intent with the right uri. But the intent filter for the note editor activity does not expect a specific uri, but instead a specific mimeType. I'm trying to do the same but mine fails probably because the mimeType couldn't be matched. How is the translation from uri to mimeType done (is it even done?)? Is this vi |
| 23:10.55 | vol | Is this vi |
| 23:11.00 | vol | you kind of ended there. |
| 23:11.23 | vol | iirc you have to register this in the manifest? |
| 23:11.32 | vol | or specify it in the program |
| 23:11.45 | vol | go over the tutorial again |
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| 23:11.54 | obra | '$TIMEOFDAY, #android |
| 23:12.08 | pjv | hmm, vol, I'll take a look again |
| 23:12.51 | pjv | but maybe I can rephrase my question to this: |
| 23:13.12 | pjv | Is there a short way to debug a "No activity found to handle Intent" ActivityNotFoundException? Some way you can see why it didn't match where you expected the intent to match? |
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| 23:14.04 | vol | perhaps; my memory of this is a little hazy. You might want to wait for someone else. |
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| 23:15.09 | pjv | vol: thx anyway |
| 23:17.43 | d0nets | has anyone been able to get the vnc viewer working? |
| 23:17.52 | ttuttle | There's a VNC viewer?! |
| 23:17.54 | spikebike | oh, there is one? |
| 23:17.56 | spikebike | appstore? |
| 23:18.05 | ttuttle | s/appstore/market/; |
| 23:18.11 | languish | lol |
| 23:18.11 | spikebike | ya |
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| 23:18.31 | d0nets | no |
| 23:18.35 | d0nets | its still in dev |
| 23:18.39 | d0nets | there is an apk but it doesnt work |
| 23:18.49 | languish | One thing I have to say I'm happy about with the G1 is the call quality |
| 23:18.59 | spikebike | same here |
| 23:19.04 | languish | (throwing romainguy a bone) |
| 23:19.04 | spikebike | volume is rather nice as well |
| 23:19.07 | languish | :D |
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| 23:19.11 | d0nets | i think it is http://code.google.com/p/android-vnc-viewer |
| 23:19.11 | herriojr | I've had lots of problems with data working properly myself |
| 23:19.45 | languish | d0nets, don't assume all code.google project .apk's are updated for release functionality |
| 23:19.54 | spikebike | heh, yeah |
| 23:20.02 | spikebike | I found one I was interested in that was 9 months old or so |
| 23:20.23 | d0nets | well but if your ead the issues |
| 23:20.28 | d0nets | it says how to get it working |
| 23:20.39 | languish | d0nets, on 1.0? |
| 23:20.41 | languish | or pre? |
| 23:20.58 | languish | it nakes a difference |
| 23:21.01 | languish | *makes |
| 23:21.02 | d0nets | on g1 |
| 23:21.19 | languish | ok again... |
| 23:23.00 | d0nets | eh? |
| 23:24.11 | languish | i just read the issue, perhaps you should reread it. |
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| 23:26.00 | d0nets | yea i will |
| 23:26.02 | d0nets | gimme a sec |
| 23:26.34 | d0nets | im trying to help a buddy get his vid drivers workin in ubuntu, you using 8.10 yet? |
| 23:27.02 | languish | at the office on test boxes yeah |
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| 23:29.08 | d0nets | hes having probs with his ati graphics |
| 23:29.28 | d0nets | thats the usual ubuntu problem : / |
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| 23:32.46 | d0nets | I can get it to to run on my phone by using eclipse but when I generate an apk file that file does not install. |
| 23:32.54 | d0nets | thats what i was referring to |
| 23:32.58 | d0nets | you cant install it with an apk |
| 23:33.01 | d0nets | you have to use eclipse |
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| 23:40.11 | d0nets | anyone wanna try to get this working with me |
| 23:40.26 | vol | you have to sign it or something |
| 23:40.30 | vol | read up the install instructions |
| 23:40.35 | vol | particularly the "I'm not using eclipse" part |
| 23:41.05 | vol | http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#otherides |
| 23:41.05 | vol | this |
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| 23:42.44 | d0nets | what? |
| 23:43.58 | vol | there's an ant script you have to run. Look through the build.xml file; it's the same thing that eclipse uses. |
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| 23:45.08 | d0nets | i dont have eclipse on this pc, lemme whip out the laptop |
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| 23:47.16 | languish | interesting. neighbor had the same problem with syncing contacts getting hung up on an image file that I did yesterday |
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| 23:48.07 | languish | got him squared away, but he's ready to return all his family's g1's now and get off t-mobile after all the problems |
| 23:48.37 | languish | *sigh* I told him not to get it in the first place, but the sales reps at tmo were raving about it |
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| 23:50.40 | Damm | I really wish the Calendar (Google Calendar) didn't suck... can't do repeat for every other week or custom |
| 23:50.43 | Damm | wth is that about? |
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| 23:51.30 | ttuttle | Damm: file a bug? |
| 23:51.42 | andyross | Damm: I thought google calendar *could* do all that stuff. Is the complaint that the UI on the phone can't? |
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| 23:53.24 | Damm | andyross, I go to calendar.google.com and I setup a new event, and I get repeat for Daily, Every weekday Mon-fri, every mon, weds, fri, every tues, and thurs, weekly, monthly, yearly. |
| 23:53.41 | Damm | there is no option for custom, there is also no option for every other week. |
| 23:54.10 | andyross | Dunno, I'm not a user. But my wife loves it, and is constantly scheduling complicated stuff for me (that now ends up on my phone automatically, sigh...). |
| 23:54.30 | Damm | I use iCal, and well... it doesn't live up to iCal in any way or manner. |
| 23:54.46 | Damm | tiz how I schedule my bills (paying them) otherwise I forget. |
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| 23:55.20 | languish | <Damm> there is no option for custom, there is also no option for every other week. |
| 23:55.38 | languish | damn, you can make it repeat every other week |
| 23:55.44 | Damm | languish, how? |
| 23:55.51 | languish | select |
| 23:55.52 | languish | weekly and have it repeat every 2 weeks. |
| 23:56.00 | Damm | bah |
| 23:56.05 | Damm | that's silly |
| 23:56.08 | languish | but it works |
| 23:57.22 | languish | damn, http://www.google.com/support/calendar/bin/search.py?query=repeat+every+other+week&ctx=en%3Asearchbox |
| 23:57.27 | andyross | Yeah, I think this was mostly user error. Changing software stacks is disruptive, and things that work differently can be really upsetting. |
| 23:58.47 | Damm | languish, available in the webui |
| 23:58.53 | Damm | phone ui didn't do it right. |
| 23:58.55 | Damm | but that works ;) |
| 23:58.56 | Damm | ty |
| 23:58.58 | languish | :) |
| 23:59.18 | languish | my wife does the same thing |
| 23:59.21 | languish | heh |
| 23:59.53 | languish | but rthen I do it back to her. and now, I'm going to use this boundary app, to set location based alets on her |