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| 00:02.20 | ionstorm | so moving the otacerts should fix it ? |
| 00:02.32 | ionstorm | why not just block the ip in the hosts file |
| 00:02.54 | spikebike | no otacerts cant fix it |
| 00:03.02 | plusminus_ | anyone also got problems in getting his apps listed on http://market.android.com/publish/Home ?? |
| 00:03.24 | spikebike | unless you enjoy downloading an update 6 times a day |
| 00:03.50 | RyeBrye | I think it fixes it fine for me - because once it downloads it- I'll kill the process and I'll slurp off the update - repack it - then update my phone |
| 00:04.09 | RyeBrye | once my phone has the correct version string, when it phones home it will see I'm up to date and note care |
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| 00:04.39 | spikebike | sure this weekend i home to write a filesystem compare tool |
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| 00:05.07 | spikebike | i.e.wgat is every diff between rc19 and 29 |
| 00:05.31 | cmonex | hm just f ind the place it stores the version string in |
| 00:06.14 | g1er | any way to just trick the phone into thinking it already has RC30? |
| 00:08.21 | alansj | results of my mucking with flashing boot, complete with instructions on how to roll your own boot image with a custom ramdisk (lets you permanently change init.rc): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2876959&postcount=25 |
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| 00:09.02 | sfuentes | just got back from t-mob |
| 00:09.14 | sfuentes | darn fools wouldn't give me a g1 |
| 00:09.30 | sfuentes | i have a little bad credit ... so what! |
| 00:11.45 | clicke | Is there an app the will sync fully with Microsoft Outlook yet? |
| 00:12.34 | RyeBrye | g1er - not until we know the actual version string of RC29 |
| 00:12.41 | RyeBrye | g1er - err... of RC30 |
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| 00:13.16 | RyeBrye | These OTA updates take so damned long, who knows how long it will be before anyone even gets it |
| 00:13.31 | pawalls | Anyone determined if it's possible to downgrade the system image from the sdcard? |
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| 00:13.48 | romainguy__ | downgrading might not work |
| 00:13.54 | g1er | got cha, thanks RyeBrye. |
| 00:14.06 | romainguy__ | updates knows how to upgrade data for instance |
| 00:14.11 | romainguy__ | but they don't know about downgrades |
| 00:14.13 | RyeBrye | downgrading doesn't work - the update scripts check the version strings |
| 00:14.14 | pawalls | nods. |
| 00:14.27 | romainguy__ | RyeBrye: not only that, but the code itself (the platform) might not work |
| 00:14.31 | RyeBrye | Oh, right |
| 00:14.35 | pawalls | RyeBrye, and I assume the version string is in a file that's part of the signed manifest? |
| 00:14.40 | romainguy__ | for instance if I downgrade my dev device from our mainline to 1.0, bad things happen :) |
| 00:15.14 | RyeBrye | pawalls - yes - once the phone loses root access it will be a long uphill battle to get it back |
| 00:16.20 | pawalls | Figure. Just thought it was worth a shot ;-) |
| 00:17.06 | RyeBrye | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Preventing_OTA_Updates |
| 00:17.11 | jasta | couldn't you just setuid root on the shell and then upgrade? |
| 00:17.15 | RyeBrye | Nope |
| 00:17.26 | RyeBrye | The /system is wiped out -> ENTIRELY <- on the update |
| 00:17.35 | RyeBrye | it reformats it and reflashes it |
| 00:17.38 | jasta | so setuid root a different shell and put it in /data? |
| 00:17.47 | RyeBrye | nope, /data is mounted explicitly nosuid |
| 00:17.53 | ttuttle | If they're smart, /data is mou... e:f;b |
| 00:17.53 | jasta | ahh |
| 00:18.12 | jasta | well, that's frustrating... |
| 00:18.27 | spikebike | sfuentes lame on no g1 |
| 00:18.38 | spikebike | think they would let you pay full price if anything |
| 00:18.49 | jasta | i guess this describes the relationship between OEMs and users moving forward |
| 00:20.17 | RyeBrye | I'm fine with focusing on developing things at the app level - but I don't like my hardware telling me "no" :) |
| 00:20.18 | spikebike | So I'm hoping to setup something that will let me slurp an update and figure out every file it updates |
| 00:20.27 | RyeBrye | spikebike - that's pretty easy |
| 00:20.33 | RyeBrye | it updates the entire /System |
| 00:20.41 | RyeBrye | and it also applies updates to the data |
| 00:20.43 | spikebike | well that doesn't mean every file in /System changes |
| 00:20.56 | spikebike | er it's re-written, but not necessarily different |
| 00:20.56 | tmzt | alansj: there is not fbcon so you won't get console output |
| 00:21.01 | RyeBrye | is lazy and would rather just unpack / reflash |
| 00:21.19 | spikebike | so I could pick and choose say a new version of the mail client |
| 00:21.27 | lethalcode | Anyone happen to know the difference between VideoView#pause and #stopPlayback() ? |
| 00:21.36 | spikebike | but skip a file that makes it more secure |
| 00:21.44 | lethalcode | Neither is documented. |
| 00:23.16 | lethalcode | looks at source. stopPlayback releases it, too. |
| 00:23.59 | spikebike | I'd guess that stop removes the pointer to the current place in the file |
| 00:24.08 | spikebike | i.e. stop -> play starts at the beginning |
| 00:24.12 | spikebike | where pause -> play resumes |
| 00:24.28 | lethalcode | spikebike: stop also releases the resources, apparently. |
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| 00:24.48 | alansj | RyeBrye: have you seen the actual rc30 or are you just saying that based on past updates the entire /system is updated? |
| 00:25.00 | spikebike | RC29 blew away /system |
| 00:25.31 | cmonex | RyeBrye - PM |
| 00:25.56 | Laz | it reformats each update |
| 00:26.44 | alansj | you could probably create an updated version of rc29 that self-identifies as something higher than 30 in order to force it on |
| 00:27.11 | alansj | assuming you've updated your rescue partition to accept the keys you use to sign it |
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| 00:33.09 | alansj | does anybody know why there's a recovery.img in system? |
| 00:34.43 | cmonex | nope, but very good question... |
| 00:34.46 | cmonex | is it used for anything? |
| 00:34.53 | cmonex | I still dont have my g1 =( |
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| 00:35.33 | ttuttle | cmonex: It's the image that the G1 boots to when updating (or restoring -- hence "recovery") the main system. |
| 00:35.56 | alansj | isn't that image on mtd1? |
| 00:37.14 | cmonex | ttuttle: I know that |
| 00:37.27 | ttuttle | cmonex: oh |
| 00:37.34 | cmonex | i disassembled to patch the existing one for the heck of it.. so why wouldnt i know |
| 00:37.36 | cmonex | but why is it under /system too? |
| 00:37.46 | cmonex | because, yeah, it's the image in mtd1 too |
| 00:38.21 | alansj | maybe it boots that image from the filesystem when doing ota updates (rather than from mtd1)? |
| 00:38.42 | cmonex | i dont think the SPL mounts /system.. |
| 00:38.53 | cmonex | no, it would rather load it from the partition, is my guess |
| 00:39.08 | cmonex | (SPL = bootloader) |
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| 00:45.41 | ivantis | does the current VNC client for android support copy/paste? |
| 00:46.12 | spikebike | dunno, is it in the market? |
| 00:46.18 | spikebike | I was hoping for a vnc server ;-) |
| 00:46.21 | lethalcode | Anybody here watch movies on their G1 and mind testing + giving feedback on a movie playing app I've made? |
| 00:46.49 | Laz | any new codecs? |
| 00:46.59 | ivantis | vnc server? |
| 00:47.00 | lethalcode | Nope, it just uses the hardware decoder. |
| 00:47.02 | ivantis | are you crazy? |
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| 00:47.09 | ivantis | yeah, i need to use my phone from a computer |
| 00:47.12 | ivantis | or another phone |
| 00:47.18 | spikebike | sure |
| 00:47.22 | spikebike | like say to give a talk on android |
| 00:47.30 | ivantis | oh |
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| 00:47.52 | ivantis | also, there should be a VNC that supports sound |
| 00:47.53 | ivantis | and copy/pasting |
| 00:47.59 | ivantis | i dont think one does yet |
| 00:48.03 | spikebike | if I could boot a g1 image in the emulator that would be fine as well |
| 00:48.09 | romainguy_ | I seem to recall that SurfaceFlinger had a built-in VNC server |
| 00:49.11 | DJTachyon | mmm Jagermeister |
| 00:49.36 | DJTachyon | and Stargate Worlds Beta :P |
| 00:50.30 | DJTachyon | anybody else think the new toshiba laptop with 3x GPUs is rediculous? http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/605154/toshiba-launches-laptop-with-three-gpus.html# |
| 00:50.38 | mikez5 | Actually the first android exploit we hit was via the VNC server. |
| 00:50.50 | alansj | hey, what does the SPL look like? I managed to get a screen with dark red, bright green, and grey stripes... but I think I just threw some garbage in the the fb |
| 00:51.05 | cmonex | alansj: that is SPL |
| 00:51.10 | cmonex | does it report a version number on it? |
| 00:51.12 | mikez5 | The exploit was aimed at windows machines, but it somehow managed to cause a phone to send an SMS message by chance. |
| 00:51.16 | alansj | no |
| 00:51.19 | cmonex | and the modelid (DREA100, iirc) |
| 00:51.24 | cmonex | hmm, ok, then not. how did you get this screen? |
| 00:51.29 | cmonex | the spl screen has: |
| 00:51.31 | alansj | I got it by placing a different logo.rle and initlogo.rle in root |
| 00:51.40 | cmonex | red, green, blue, and white at the bottom.. |
| 00:51.46 | cmonex | the chars on it are yellow usually |
| 00:51.52 | cmonex | oh, heh |
| 00:52.04 | cmonex | then i guess your rle is just messed up |
| 00:52.05 | spikebike | alansj how? Idn't it overwritten at boot? Or did you rewrite the initrd? |
| 00:52.05 | alansj | I get those three bands and then the bottom third looks like whatever was left in the fb when I shut down |
| 00:52.15 | spikebike | alan screenshot? |
| 00:52.16 | alansj | spikebike: I rewrote init.rc |
| 00:52.23 | alansj | er rather |
| 00:52.26 | spikebike | so init.rc is not signed? |
| 00:52.27 | cmonex | yeah show photo :) |
| 00:52.36 | cmonex | does the sytem boot up properly? |
| 00:52.37 | alansj | I did that too, but this was just from packing a new boot img with those two files replaced |
| 00:52.46 | alansj | yeah it boots up properly |
| 00:52.49 | alansj | hang on I'll take a photo |
| 00:55.45 | spikebike | I found a strange incantation that might produce a more plausible image |
| 00:55.46 | DJTachyon | any comments on that non-offical tethering app? How about a reverse tethering system where you can get connectivity over usb instead of wifi? |
| 00:56.07 | spikebike | compile ppp for android ;-) |
| 00:57.14 | alansj | http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn1761cz8.jpg |
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| 00:57.49 | Laz | you broke it |
| 00:57.49 | spikebike | wow, funky |
| 00:58.05 | alansj | and the image at the bottom looks blurry but it's actually blurry (like how it looks just before you shut down) |
| 00:58.08 | lethalcode | Don't suppose there's anybody here familiar with VideoView that can explain why I'm getting errors 0x80000000 (-2147483648,0) and 0xD (14, 0)? Comes after a seekTo(); start(); pause(); |
| 00:58.25 | alansj | so does that screen look like the SPL or not? |
| 00:58.28 | mocsrox | anyone published apps outside of android market? |
| 00:58.31 | lethalcode | err, 0xE, as if it matters. |
| 00:59.19 | spikebike | mocsrox sure |
| 00:59.34 | spikebike | seems like 1/2 the market is the lite/demo version |
| 00:59.42 | spikebike | not to mention code.google.com |
| 00:59.48 | spikebike | numerous demos |
| 00:59.59 | mocsrox | spikebike: whats the canonical process for that? |
| 01:00.06 | Disconnect | so random side note, i got a bunch of porn out of the tmob proxy :/ i know it wasn't in the original cuz i host the original. and there's no porn. just comics. |
| 01:00.40 | Disconnect | no screenshot app, now i know why.. and when i went to save it (evidence, it wasn't that good) it redownloaded. |
| 01:01.33 | cworth | alansj: Thanks for sharing some image-creation details in that post. I would love to read something with a bit more context if you'd be willing to write it. |
| 01:01.34 | Disconnect | (redownloaded the correct file i should say, not the porn. so i have no proof. but the wif saw it too.) |
| 01:01.55 | alansj | sure, in the meantime let me know if you have any questions |
| 01:02.09 | lethalcode | thinks he's figured it out, heads out. |
| 01:02.16 | alansj | most of what I learned was from other people here... I just put the pieces together |
| 01:02.17 | sfuentes | spikebike: my gf just got me a g1!! |
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| 01:03.17 | DJTachyon | lol |
| 01:03.22 | sfuentes | there is a heaven |
| 01:03.29 | DJTachyon | i think my wife wants a BB Storm |
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| 01:03.56 | spikebike | sfuentes sweet |
| 01:03.59 | spikebike | marry her |
| 01:04.03 | DJTachyon | lol |
| 01:04.10 | DJTachyon | ind33d |
| 01:04.19 | sfuentes | DJTachyon: yeah i know my gf wants a bb storm too |
| 01:04.26 | cworth | alansj: Some questions: What have/haven't you been able to achieve so far? What exactly did you do with your new image? What potential brick-making steps are present where a user might want to be careful. |
| 01:04.40 | sfuentes | spikebike: she must be the "one" |
| 01:05.00 | spikebike | of course now you must return the favor |
| 01:05.16 | sfuentes | lol |
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| 01:05.35 | sfuentes | maybe that was her plan |
| 01:05.41 | cworth | So, I've seen good simple writeups on "How to obtain root" and "How to disable updates to prevent losing root", but not yet: "How to keep root but disable this root shell listening to all key presses". |
| 01:06.21 | Disconnect | cworth: yah. i thought about it, decided i was too paranoid to shut that down just yet. |
| 01:06.21 | alansj | all I've done is edit init.rc... so far I tried flipping ANDROID_BOOTLOGO to 0 but it did nothing, and then instead added setprop debug.sf.nobootanimation 1 which disabled the boot animation |
| 01:06.52 | cworth | Disconnect: Yeah, I don't want to be the first to try it. ;-) |
| 01:07.01 | alansj | and then I replaced logo.rle and added initlogo.rle (because I saw a dmesg message that it was not being found on boot) and got those crazy images on boot |
| 01:07.14 | cworth | That's why I'm asking other people who have done things to document them for us fraidy-cats. ;-) |
| 01:07.18 | Disconnect | heh |
| 01:07.25 | alansj | I created .rle files by running to565 on bmps |
| 01:07.32 | spikebike | sfuentes IMO much of the value of having a g1 is the ability to talk to other g1 folks |
| 01:07.43 | spikebike | thus my wife has one. |
| 01:07.58 | Disconnect | ok its a bad sign when i look at smoking gun's worlds blankiest blank and think "wow that looks like a lot of fun!" |
| 01:07.58 | alansj | so apparently what I was doing to create the .rles was unsuccessful |
| 01:08.48 | alansj | to565 is here (no idea what kind of file its expecting -- probably bmp -- or what dimensions): http://git.source.android.com/?p=platform/build.git;a=tree;f=tools/rgb2565 |
| 01:08.50 | spikebike | were you using /usr/bin/ppmtolss16? |
| 01:09.19 | alansj | no I had never seen that before |
| 01:09.29 | sfuentes | spikebike: how so? fav5, mob2mob, gtalk, or just in general? |
| 01:09.44 | alansj | ohhhhh... now that looks like what I need |
| 01:10.03 | alansj | maybe |
| 01:10.18 | cworth | alansj: "Change init.rc to remove animation" sounds like a good thing to have documented as a single task. |
| 01:10.20 | KNY | if you unpublish an application, why can't you delete it? |
| 01:10.25 | sfuentes | is it simple to reset a g1 to use another google account? |
| 01:10.25 | KNY | (from the market) |
| 01:10.33 | spikebike | sfuentes well a bunch of stuff. Sharing your position, keeping a joint cal, being reachable over IM, not having to use SMS |
| 01:10.35 | KNY | sfuentes, you could do a factory reset, no? |
| 01:10.51 | alansj | yes, that would work. I just did that to my own phone. |
| 01:11.03 | cworth | alansj: I see a mkbootimg command in your post, but there are some steps that are a bit fuzzy, (like extracting the kernel from an existing image, and flashing things afterward). |
| 01:11.03 | spikebike | sfuentes RC19? RC29? |
| 01:11.15 | alansj | cworth: yes, I need to better document that |
| 01:11.39 | sfuentes | don't have the phone yet ... my gf called me asking if she can use her google account for now |
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| 01:11.56 | cworth | alansj: Anyway, I'm glad to review instructions, (but don't want to debug by bricking the phone trying them). ;-) |
| 01:12.10 | KNY | sfuentes, tell her tough and to get her own :) |
| 01:12.16 | alansj | oh, you're fairly safe from bricking (I know I shouldn't say that) because you can always restore |
| 01:12.22 | alansj | I bricked my phone the first time through |
| 01:12.45 | alansj | but you just boot into restore mode and make sure you have the rc29 update on your sdcard, named update.zip |
| 01:12.48 | Disconnect | leave the bootloader alone (and we can't touch it anyway, at least not yet) and you can always reflash rc29. probably. |
| 01:12.51 | cworth | Oh, then "always restore" I need documented as well. I don't know that process. |
| 01:13.12 | sfuentes | KNY: she asked me for my google account password |
| 01:13.14 | alansj | Disconnect: yes, assuming future updates don't also update the restore image |
| 01:13.20 | cworth | alansj, Disconnect: See, you guys just *know* some of this stuff that I don't. :-) |
| 01:13.34 | Disconnect | alansj: 'always' as in 'right now if you brick it' :) |
| 01:15.41 | cworth | Disconnect: Ah. We know that we can't touch the bootloader? |
| 01:15.50 | sfuentes | spikebike: if your wife ask u for your password, would u give it to her? |
| 01:16.11 | cworth | And I've heard suggestions here that it would be possible to mess things up enough that recovery won't work, (even without touching the bootloader). |
| 01:16.23 | Disconnect | cworth: we're pretty sure we can't |
| 01:16.24 | sfuentes | spikebike: sounds like a trust test to me |
| 01:17.02 | Disconnect | cworth: its a weird split architecture, the bootloader etc lives somewhere we can't see. if we fuck up mtd0 bad enough it might not be configured anymore but even that probably isn't critical. (i'm not testing :) ..) |
| 01:17.40 | oyeoj | uh |
| 01:17.48 | oyeoj | <return>reboot<return> |
| 01:17.50 | oyeoj | woah |
| 01:17.57 | Disconnect | lol |
| 01:18.02 | Disconnect | welcome to yesterday |
| 01:18.15 | oyeoj | srsly |
| 01:18.18 | cworth | wants to sit down this weekend and write a good "So you want to play with your G1" front-page introduction for a wiki. |
| 01:18.22 | cworth | oyeoj: Yes, really. |
| 01:18.27 | oyeoj | yeah i just tried it |
| 01:18.49 | cworth | oyeoj: Heh. Yes. We know that works. Many more commands as well. |
| 01:19.03 | oyeoj | i guess that's how the jailbreak works? |
| 01:19.06 | cworth | http://android.jim.sh/index.php/ConsoleShell |
| 01:19.06 | oyeoj | or is that a separate issue? |
| 01:19.25 | cworth | oyeoj: Same thing. There's a root shell listening to /dev/console (oops!). |
| 01:19.50 | oyeoj | whats random is it works from like any app |
| 01:20.11 | cworth | oyeoj: Right. The shell is listening to the actual keyboard device. |
| 01:20.26 | oyeoj | that seems wrong too |
| 01:20.41 | oyeoj | even ignoring the fact that it's a root shell |
| 01:20.46 | cworth | oyeoj: It certainly wasn't intended, if that's what you mean. |
| 01:20.49 | oyeoj | yah |
| 01:21.41 | cworth | But it's actually not *too* hard to see how this came about. (Though in many similar systems in might have been a getty running waiting for a valid username/password combination.) |
| 01:22.31 | oyeoj | yah |
| 01:22.34 | oyeoj | kinda crazy |
| 01:22.36 | cworth | So the introduction I want to write would explain why some of us want to do this kind of stuff, (scope out the intended audience and properly caution people who don't actually want to play at this level). |
| 01:22.47 | Disconnect | um. its hard to see how it made it past a basic security check.. |
| 01:23.09 | cworth | And after that link to several pages describing the basic tasks here. |
| 01:23.16 | Disconnect | "ok whats running after boot? hey.. whats with this shell? and why is there a telnet daemon?) |
| 01:23.27 | cworth | Disconnect: I intentionally wasn't commenting on that aspect. |
| 01:23.50 | cworth | Disconnect: I'm just saying it's easy to see how it came to be. |
| 01:23.51 | Disconnect | embedded linux step (whatever, about 10 before a production image goes gold) is "ok, what executables are we shipping and why?".. |
| 01:23.52 | oyeoj | yeah including the telnet daemon is ... strange |
| 01:24.20 | Disconnect | clearly it started as a way to get into potentially-trashed engineering/dev phones. which is fine. but.. wow. that -should- have been a while ago.. |
| 01:24.40 | cworth | Disconnect: How it came to be *shipped*, I won't speculate about. :-) |
| 01:25.28 | spikebike | disconnect telnetd wasn't running, thus easy to miss |
| 01:25.56 | Disconnect | spikebike: erm... "what are we shipping and why" .. there are only 2 directories with system binaries. maybe 60 total. thats not hard to check.. |
| 01:26.14 | Disconnect | chmod? no. cp? no. etc. its not a linux box, this shit gotta -go- |
| 01:28.13 | spikebike | well telnet worked as intended till relatively late in the process |
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| 01:29.25 | sfuentes | seems unfortunate to be denied access to your own g1 shell |
| 01:29.34 | spikebike | shell no |
| 01:29.36 | spikebike | root yes |
| 01:29.37 | sfuentes | assuming u want updates |
| 01:29.49 | spikebike | well updates can be repackaged |
| 01:29.55 | alansj | what's the screen resolution on the g1? |
| 01:30.05 | sfuentes | u can't sudo either, right? |
| 01:30.17 | Disconnect | there is no (legit) root access in android. |
| 01:30.30 | Disconnect | so no backups. and no vpn clients. and no screenshots. |
| 01:30.47 | Disconnect | and don't type reboot. |
| 01:30.54 | spikebike | heh |
| 01:31.20 | sfuentes | what about sshd? |
| 01:31.33 | spikebike | nope |
| 01:31.35 | sfuentes | is there a way to package that |
| 01:31.41 | spikebike | well at least no access to ports under 1k |
| 01:31.45 | Disconnect | no way to package anything that needs root or that runs native |
| 01:31.48 | spikebike | although I don't know if android enforces that |
| 01:32.15 | romainguy_ | alansj: 320x480@~160dpi |
| 01:32.21 | alansj | thx |
| 01:32.47 | sfuentes | would a rewrite of sshd using android api be possible? |
| 01:32.56 | sfuentes | probly too much work |
| 01:33.05 | Disconnect | don't rewrite security software. just ... don't. |
| 01:33.47 | sfuentes | not me ... just wondering if its possible |
| 01:34.10 | Disconnect | anything is possible. but its a bad idea. |
| 01:34.18 | sfuentes | lol |
| 01:35.19 | sfuentes | Disconnect: im going to put lighthttpd on my g1 ... just u wait and see |
| 01:35.30 | Disconnect | go for it |
| 01:35.31 | laz66 | i got netcat working |
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| 01:43.11 | alansj | spikebike: I'm having trouble getting ppmtlss16 working, have you used it before? |
| 01:43.40 | alansj | I think I'm giving it ppms that it doesn't like |
| 01:50.41 | DarkriftX | ][{{?\ |
| 01:51.07 | Disconnect | }}*&#${ |
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| 01:56.02 | offby1 | language, people! This is a family channel |
| 01:57.06 | Disconnect | he's prolly on his g1, i dunno what my excuse is. |
| 01:57.22 | offby1 | line noise |
| 01:57.24 | Disconnect | :) |
| 01:57.26 | offby1 | cat on keyboard |
| 01:58.21 | scootley | is RC30 rumored to remove root access, make SIM-unlocking harder, or both? this article seems to imply it's just for SIM-unlocking: http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/07/google-patches-up-android-jailbreak-with-rc30-update/ but doesn't mention root |
| 01:58.37 | Disconnect | jailbreak is root. unlock is sim-unlock |
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| 01:59.00 | Disconnect | says nothing about sim-unlock in that article |
| 01:59.29 | Disconnect | the jailbreak link is wrong is all |
| 01:59.34 | offby1 | I just want 'em to fix the "reboots-in-the-middle-of-a-call" bug |
| 02:00.36 | Disconnect | ? |
| 02:00.38 | Disconnect | mine has been ok |
| 02:00.44 | Disconnect | are you typing reboot during calls? :) |
| 02:01.36 | languish | hey guys, I need a little help finding an Android/G1 related video. I have googled quite a bit for it and thus far have failed. The video I'm looking for was created in October. It's of Android/G1 being demo'd by a google (manager? director? dev?) with an earring, with a glass window behind him, showing google maps, street view, the compass, and other things on the device. |
| 02:02.13 | Disconnect | is that the one where the dumb chick keeps asking if google streetview is somehow live? |
| 02:02.19 | languish | not sure |
| 02:02.40 | languish | it's the one where he's asked about multitouch and intimated that it's a patent issue |
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| 02:02.50 | Disconnect | (yes mam, there is a black van assigned to each and every g1 owner to make sure that the street view matches what they can see if they put the damn phone down) |
| 02:03.15 | cbeust_ | A director with an earring: we have no such thing :) |
| 02:03.26 | languish | heh |
| 02:03.40 | languish | White guy, i *think* shaved head but I can't rememeber well enough |
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| 02:04.00 | languish | demo'ing it for some bloggers I guess |
| 02:04.19 | languish | he may have been sitting on a couch in front of the window I mentioned |
| 02:05.04 | languish | the site that had the video up, where I originally saw it, seems to have removed it in favor of touch pro videos |
| 02:05.13 | languish | but I know it was linked elsewhere |
| 02:05.21 | languish | (and thanks for any help finding it) |
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| 02:10.25 | Disconnect | http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f10/for-the-record-g1-does-not-have-multi-touch-like-the-iphone-729/ |
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| 02:12.38 | waldo_ | Does anyone here use meebo for chat? |
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| 02:15.01 | Sorium | you guys seen this: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=680 |
| 02:15.46 | languish | Disconnect ahh that got me to engadget, found the vid, thanks man http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/23/t-mobile-g1-video-hands-on/ |
| 02:15.57 | Disconnect | languish: np |
| 02:16.00 | Disconnect | Sorium: yah 2 days ago |
| 02:16.15 | Disconnect | and thats not the original source. SplasPood is the original discoverer. |
| 02:16.43 | waldo_ | anyway-- anyone know how meebo sends your IM info to non-meebo IM clients? |
| 02:16.56 | waldo_ | is that all proxied through its own servers? |
| 02:17.01 | Disconnect | yes |
| 02:17.15 | Disconnect | or at least, i'd bet they use their existing infrastructure |
| 02:17.45 | Disconnect | it doesn't make sense to do purely client-side anyway on a mobile device |
| 02:17.46 | waldo_ | I'm not sure if that sucks or not |
| 02:17.56 | waldo_ | yah it would be a lot of connections |
| 02:18.03 | waldo_ | but they say they log your IMs... in the privacy statement |
| 02:18.06 | Disconnect | esp on a mobile device with such a brain-damaged wifi config |
| 02:18.09 | waldo_ | that's kinda screwed up |
| 02:18.11 | Disconnect | yah |
| 02:18.15 | Disconnect | welcome to meebo |
| 02:18.19 | waldo_ | yeah forget that. |
| 02:18.26 | waldo_ | I need a real IM client |
| 02:18.40 | spikebike | heh well they offer to log your conversations |
| 02:18.42 | Disconnect | first you need a real wifi powersaving mode |
| 02:18.45 | waldo_ | that doesn't use SMS and doesn't log your accounts... |
| 02:18.53 | waldo_ | yeah that too |
| 02:18.55 | spikebike | is it true that aim/yahoo/msn on the g1 costs you a sms message |
| 02:19.03 | waldo_ | i ran out of battery in like 2 or 3 hours today |
| 02:19.04 | Sorium | awesome thanks |
| 02:19.06 | waldo_ | yes it's true spikebike |
| 02:19.13 | Disconnect | spikebike: dunno on g1 but they charge that way for everything else on tmob |
| 02:19.18 | spikebike | evil |
| 02:19.18 | waldo_ | they do |
| 02:19.22 | Disconnect | yes |
| 02:19.26 | spikebike | I'd be poor right now if that was true on gtalk |
| 02:19.27 | waldo_ | its a rip off. |
| 02:19.41 | Disconnect | but then again, an sms (at what, 20 cents?) takes way less data than 1/20th of a second of voice. |
| 02:19.49 | Disconnect | which costs (at most) about 1/20th of 15 cents |
| 02:19.51 | spikebike | heh, yup |
| 02:20.03 | spikebike | we can get bits from jupiter cheaper than SMS |
| 02:21.07 | offby1 | too has pondered the mysterious economics of SMS |
| 02:21.21 | Disconnect | offby1: so have at least 2 class action attempts |
| 02:22.17 | Disconnect | mostly (iirc) relating to having to pay for unsolicited incoming messages when tmob basically said "tough, sorry" |
| 02:23.59 | Sorium | doesn't the rise of smart phones make WAPS obsolete? |
| 02:24.22 | waldo_ | I want to bring my sms usage down to zero. |
| 02:24.22 | Sorium | btw: is there a way to make a web page know whether ur on Android or an iPhone to give you a condensed screen web page? |
| 02:27.37 | offby1 | Sorium: I assume so |
| 02:27.50 | offby1 | presumably each phone's browser sends a distinct UA string |
| 02:27.58 | waldo_ | sorium look at the HTTP header |
| 02:28.14 | waldo_ | particularly USER-AGENT |
| 02:28.34 | languish | cbeust_, in this video, you can see the person from Google I mentioned at around timecode 6:55. Can you tell me who it is? (not looking to contact him, I just need his name to find the beginning this video) http://www.viddler.com/player/d9a04ab7 |
| 02:28.38 | waldo_ | go to http://www.useragent.org/ with your phone to see what it is |
| 02:31.16 | offby1 | Gawd, user agent strings are an insane mess |
| 02:32.04 | offby1 | instead of user agent strings, I propose: the interactive "GNU configure" protocol! It runs before the HTTP session is established; the server and client interrogate each other about their various features, and ... |
| 02:32.07 | offby1 | ducks |
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| 03:02.50 | blau | hmm |
| 03:03.01 | blau | so i found the file that tells the os how to set up autotext |
| 03:03.10 | blau | but i cant figure out where it goes during the build |
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| 03:07.50 | Damm | anyone know where to snag rc30 and install it? |
| 03:07.57 | spikebike | nope |
| 03:08.14 | spikebike | My wife's phone is still rc19, I wonder if they stopped distributing it |
| 03:08.35 | Damm | more then likely. |
| 03:08.40 | jasta | what. the. fuck. |
| 03:08.55 | Damm | it's an 'emergeny' update according to t-mobile |
| 03:09.01 | Damm | so they'll try and shove it through fast. |
| 03:09.14 | offby1 | rc19? |
| 03:09.16 | offby1 | wow |
| 03:09.30 | spikebike | funny thing is my phone was bought with hers |
| 03:09.35 | spikebike | and I got an update a few days ago |
| 03:10.09 | jasta | if EDGE is transmitting you can't receive phone calls? |
| 03:10.25 | Damm | jasta, yes, only when you have 3G |
| 03:10.32 | Damm | 2 seperate radio's same chip |
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| 03:11.04 | jasta | i thought you could still _receive_ calls though (the 2G radio would just abort the data connection) |
| 03:12.23 | spikebike | jasta that makes sense |
| 03:12.34 | jasta | that isnt whats happening. |
| 03:12.34 | spikebike | if edge is receiving can you receive a call? |
| 03:12.43 | jasta | spikebike: i am testing it right now |
| 03:12.47 | jasta | i havent been able to receive a call since i got home |
| 03:12.51 | spikebike | someone mentioned a SMS interuppting a voice call or soemthing |
| 03:12.54 | jasta | if i turn on wifi (which shuts off edge) it works |
| 03:13.19 | jasta | as soon as i turn wifi off, the edge radio comes on and the status icon indicates transmission |
| 03:13.23 | jasta | and then i suddely cant receive calls |
| 03:13.26 | jasta | this is really not ok |
| 03:14.00 | offby1 | what determines whether the volume switch controls the ringer volume, as opposed to music/video volume? |
| 03:14.17 | jbq | jasta: sound like that's some continuous data activity. G1 only has 1 radio, so it can't do voice + data in 2G. |
| 03:14.19 | jasta | offby1: what types of streams the mediaplayer is currently playing |
| 03:14.31 | offby1 | aaahh |
| 03:14.36 | offby1 | tx |
| 03:14.39 | jasta | jbq: but i thought the signalling channel for when a call is incoming is separate from the voice channel, and can work when data is active |
| 03:15.02 | spikebike | a friend asked "btw, have you ever had your phone hang up if you get an SMS/XMPP/notification?" |
| 03:15.03 | jbq | that's not what we've experienced in our testing. |
| 03:15.06 | spikebike | (with a g1 |
| 03:15.30 | spikebike | jasta maybe you are getting an update |
| 03:15.40 | jasta | jbq: you mean in testing you saw that edge througput means that incoming voice calls can't happen? |
| 03:15.48 | jbq | yes. no voice and no SMS. |
| 03:15.59 | jasta | only while throughput was occurring? |
| 03:16.13 | offby1 | spikebike: I keep mentioning (in the hope that someone will illuminate) that my phone has twice _rebooted_ in the middle of a call :-| |
| 03:16.21 | jasta | so the idle gtalk connection shouldnt cause this, right? |
| 03:16.22 | spikebike | ew |
| 03:16.25 | spikebike | never seen a reboot |
| 03:16.34 | spikebike | (in either of my 2 g1s) |
| 03:16.49 | spikebike | jasta correct |
| 03:16.56 | jbq | Once there's a large enough gap in data transmission (which depends on the network, but tends to be around 15 seconds), the radio can switch to its voice frequencies. |
| 03:17.08 | jbq | I wouldn't expect an incoming gtalk to interrupt a voice call. |
| 03:17.20 | offby1 | I'd hope it'd be queued |
| 03:17.25 | jasta | jbq: i didnt mean a conversation. if sync is enabled, the gtalk connection idles forever |
| 03:17.25 | offby1 | presumably voice would get priority |
| 03:17.28 | offby1 | presumably |
| 03:17.31 | jbq | offby1: are you running RC19 or newer? |
| 03:17.38 | offby1 | jbq: yep |
| 03:17.56 | jbq | sorry, I meant either/or. 19, or 28/29/30? |
| 03:17.56 | offby1 | rc29 in fact |
| 03:18.02 | jbq | oh :( |
| 03:18.18 | jbq | do you have adb setup to talk to your G1? |
| 03:18.25 | offby1 | yep |
| 03:18.31 | offby1 | should I grovel the logs? |
| 03:18.54 | jbq | is the reboot a "full" reboot (vibrate + G1 logo), or just he pulsating droid? |
| 03:18.59 | offby1 | full reboot. |
| 03:19.01 | jbq | good. |
| 03:19.04 | offby1 | Got the pulsating droid earlier today though |
| 03:19.22 | Damm | jasta, afaik the G1 should not be able to do voice and data simultaniously. |
| 03:19.31 | Damm | if anyone can cite technical resources, please by all means. |
| 03:19.51 | jbq | next time that happens, please run "adb bugreport" with your device plugged in after it's done rebooting, and submit a bug (and let me know at jbq@google.com) |
| 03:20.22 | jbq | It's OK if you wait a while to grab a bugreport, as long as you don't reboot the phone after it crashes on you). |
| 03:20.43 | offby1 | jbq: excellent. How much time is OK -- many hours? Last time it happened I was outside |
| 03:20.52 | jbq | hours, days... |
| 03:20.56 | offby1 | good! |
| 03:21.10 | offby1 | should I try it now, on the off chance that I haven't rebooted since? |
| 03:21.16 | jbq | Sure. |
| 03:21.18 | offby1 | how will I know if the report is useful? |
| 03:21.27 | jbq | can you email it to me? I'll know. |
| 03:21.31 | offby1 | ok! |
| 03:21.42 | offby1 | ought to hear from me in about five minutes :) |
| 03:22.16 | offby1 | ooh. Spews to sdiout ) |
| 03:22.18 | offby1 | stdout |
| 03:22.26 | jbq | uh, yeah, I should have warned you, sorry. |
| 03:22.32 | offby1 | good thing I'm running in an Emacs shell |
| 03:23.35 | jbq | in case you're interested in just seeing the kernel log *before* from *before* the crash, you can "adb shell cat /proc/last_kmsg" |
| 03:24.14 | offby1 | sure |
| 03:24.21 | offby1 | ok if I compress it? It's kinda big :) |
| 03:24.22 | jbq | (oops, one of the befores wasn't supposed to be there) |
| 03:24.37 | jbq | I'm OK if it's not compressed. This is gmail we're talking about! |
| 03:24.42 | offby1 | ah, sure |
| 03:25.09 | offby1 | checks that he got the email address right ... |
| 03:25.27 | offby1 | belatedly realizes he forgot to scan the 2 MB of stuff for private info. Oh well |
| 03:25.50 | jbq | I'll keep it private, don't worry. |
| 03:25.55 | offby1 | :) |
| 03:26.12 | jbq | (last thing we'd want is to inappropriately use our users' private info). |
| 03:26.19 | jbq | ok, got your mail. |
| 03:27.03 | ttuttle | hey. |
| 03:27.07 | offby1 | ooh, kernel panic. |
| 03:27.20 | offby1 | line 14699 |
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| 03:28.01 | ttuttle | what do you guys have for firmware version in settings > about phone? |
| 03:28.12 | jasta | whoa weird |
| 03:28.15 | jasta | this is so bizarre |
| 03:28.19 | Damm | jasta, ? |
| 03:28.28 | jasta | i switched onto wifi to see why the radio would be constnatly active |
| 03:28.31 | jasta | (sniff traffic) |
| 03:28.38 | jasta | and it looks like there is a ping running? |
| 03:28.39 | scootley | ttuttle: 1.0 |
| 03:28.43 | jasta | to a host at my work? |
| 03:28.44 | jbq | offby1 : yes, I see it. |
| 03:28.57 | jasta | how on earth? |
| 03:29.12 | jbq | offby1: it's a null pointer in the hardware-specific audio code. |
| 03:29.38 | offby1 | w00t |
| 03:29.47 | jbq | jasta: could you have tried to ping that host earlier today from a terminal on your G1? |
| 03:30.02 | offby1 | jbq: our dialog from the last two minutes reads like an "xkcd" cartoon :) |
| 03:30.09 | jasta | i dont have a termianl on it? i have connectbot, but i doubt its doing an icmp echo |
| 03:30.20 | jasta | its definitely a ping though. clear as day from the tshark output on my router |
| 03:30.29 | Damm | jasta, not likely... although connectbot won't disconnect unless you tell it to. |
| 03:30.39 | jasta | and i know im looking at the right host (i sniffed port 80 only and browsed to random sites) |
| 03:30.43 | jbq | so, while using connectbot to connect into another machine, could you have asked that machine to ping? |
| 03:30.43 | Damm | but that's standard G1 stuff. |
| 03:30.46 | jasta | Damm: the carrier will disconnect eventually |
| 03:31.02 | jasta | jbq: that wouldn't produce the behaviour i'm seeing. |
| 03:31.05 | Damm | jasta, TMOUT=? on your shell? |
| 03:31.21 | Damm | i haven't bothered looking but Connectbot might do a keepalive |
| 03:31.32 | jasta | i dont think it does, although perhaps.... |
| 03:31.35 | jasta | let me look at the source |
| 03:31.36 | jbq | jasta: except that you might also have run a ping as root on your G1 at the same time, through the security hole that's been discussed at length here over the last few days... |
| 03:31.45 | jasta | jbq: i never even took root |
| 03:32.10 | jasta | i'm investigating this. so weird. |
| 03:32.17 | jbq | can you adb shell ps, check if you have a ping running as root with a PPID of approximately 26? |
| 03:32.20 | Damm | jbq, you know the sad part.. taking root wasn't really that big of a deal to me. It's like cool, next. |
| 03:32.20 | jasta | whats strangest of all is that this is to a host i actually would ping |
| 03:32.27 | jasta | jbq: yeah, im trying that right now |
| 03:33.00 | jasta | jbq: ping _is_ running! |
| 03:33.02 | offby1 | jbq: if you open a bug on this, can you mail me a URL to track its progress? |
| 03:33.16 | jasta | jbq: ppid=27 |
| 03:33.27 | pawalls | jasta, You must have typed it on the keypad at some point ;-) |
| 03:33.38 | spikebike | oh heh |
| 03:33.40 | pawalls | jasta, This is the /dev/console bug rearing its head probably. Running as root? |
| 03:33.47 | spikebike | yeah |
| 03:33.48 | jasta | pawalls: yeah, it is running as root. |
| 03:33.51 | jasta | but i never even took root |
| 03:33.53 | pawalls | chuckles. |
| 03:33.54 | spikebike | anything you type remote might well run locally |
| 03:33.56 | pawalls | jasta, You don't have to. |
| 03:33.58 | spikebike | and I think ping is suid |
| 03:34.04 | jasta | so are you saying i somehow typed ping my-work while the phone was booting!? |
| 03:34.04 | pawalls | jasta, Everything you type on keyboard runs as root |
| 03:34.08 | jbq | jasta: you've just rediscovered the same exploit by accident. congratulations. |
| 03:34.09 | Damm | ping isn't suid |
| 03:34.23 | spikebike | ah, there was 2, I can't remember which |
| 03:34.29 | pawalls | jasta, At *any time* that the phone was running. Assuming some other thing you typed didn't hang the console. |
| 03:34.29 | jbq | it has nothing to do with the phone booting. |
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| 03:34.45 | jasta | pawalls: are you serious? so everything i type is a unix command? |
| 03:34.53 | pawalls | jasta, correct |
| 03:34.59 | jasta | that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard |
| 03:35.05 | jasta | i thought it only did this while it was booting |
| 03:35.07 | offby1 | .oO("maybe I typed 'sleep 4200 ; reboot' by accident") |
| 03:35.13 | jasta | i probably did use connectbot and run this ping command |
| 03:35.15 | jasta | in the shell |
| 03:35.20 | pawalls | jasta, Probably :-P |
| 03:35.23 | incandenza | wow. that is pretty funny |
| 03:35.27 | jbq | offby1: I'll file it in our internal database (where people will see it on the inside), but you won't be able to see it. |
| 03:35.41 | offby1 | jasta: yeah, the connectbot guy has gotten at least one bug to the effect of "I rebooted a remote machine _and my phone rebooted!1!" |
| 03:35.51 | pawalls | laughs.. |
| 03:35.55 | jasta | oh my god |
| 03:36.01 | offby1 | jbq: oh bummer. Not to nag, but do you have any notion of what priority this might get? |
| 03:36.12 | jasta | ponders how to send CTRL+C to /dev/console |
| 03:36.14 | pawalls | best thing you can do is run 'cat' when you first boot your phone ;-) |
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| 03:36.44 | spikebike | there is a kill |
| 03:36.56 | jasta | spikebike: yeah but its no longer listening to comamnds |
| 03:36.57 | pawalls | spikebike, He can't kill a process running as root. |
| 03:36.59 | jasta | because ping is running |
| 03:37.08 | spikebike | pawalls why not? |
| 03:37.09 | Laz | install RC30 and you guys will be fine |
| 03:37.10 | jasta | resets his phone |
| 03:37.12 | incandenza | so that's why the telnetd thing worked in the first place? |
| 03:37.13 | pawalls | jasta, AFAIK you are screwed until you reboot. |
| 03:37.21 | jbq | offby1: you're lucky, I just had the top kernel dude walk by my cube, I had him look at the log. |
| 03:37.24 | spikebike | RC30 isn't out is it? |
| 03:37.34 | pawalls | spikebike, Because you can't kill a process started by another user in *nix. |
| 03:37.35 | offby1 | jbq: fantisticalicious :) |
| 03:37.40 | Damm | i'm sure they will just rediscover the exploit |
| 03:37.42 | pawalls | spikebike, And as he mentioned, he has effectively hung his root shell. |
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| 03:38.03 | spikebike | so? |
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| 03:38.12 | Laz | spikebike: it is |
| 03:38.15 | spikebike | he needs to get root |
| 03:38.16 | jbq | in a nutshell, it's a bug in the audio code on the second processor (that runs HTC's code) that we've seen happen but have never been able to reproduce consistently. |
| 03:38.18 | pawalls | spikebike, So how would you suggest he end a kill signal to the ping command? :-P |
| 03:38.21 | spikebike | laz oh do you have the image? |
| 03:38.29 | spikebike | get a root shell |
| 03:38.37 | pawalls | spikebike, And how would you suggest he get a root shell? |
| 03:38.42 | jbq | at this point, jasta's got to reboot. |
| 03:38.48 | spikebike | pterminal -> telnetd -> telnet |
| 03:38.57 | jasta | spikebike: telnetd wouldn't do anything |
| 03:38.59 | pawalls | spikebike, Like I said.. the "root" console is already hung. |
| 03:39.08 | jasta | spikebike: open an xterm, type ping foo, then type telnetd and you see what happens :) |
| 03:39.14 | jasta | (it won't run telnetd, of course) |
| 03:39.41 | tmzt | shutdown all the interfaces? |
| 03:40.11 | jasta | im already rebooting |
| 03:40.15 | jasta | lol, what a strange way to find this bug |
| 03:40.20 | jbq | offby1: if you want to help us debug, when that happens again, please grab a bugreport the way you just did, and look for a line just before the kernel panic that says something like "kernel BUG at arch/arm/mach-msm/qdsp5/audmgr.c:272" |
| 03:40.26 | jasta | the only reason i even looked into this was because i couldnt receive voice calls on EDGE :) |
| 03:40.30 | jasta | (because a freaking ping was running!) |
| 03:41.49 | jbq | offby1: don't send us the bug report, just check that this is the same crash, and let me know (IRC or email). If it happens consistently enough for you, we might look for ways to have you help us diagnose the issue. |
| 03:41.51 | offby1 | jbq: sure. |
| 03:41.55 | spikebike | that's a funny DoS |
| 03:42.17 | spikebike | so does anyone have RC30 image? |
| 03:42.41 | jbq | Thanks for being persistent about this, and sorry that we didn't pick on it immediately. This is something that apparently we've wanted to reproduce but weren't able to, and you seem to be the key that could help us. |
| 03:44.12 | A|JT | hey im new to android but not to java and I got a quick question. is anybody free to answer a couple questions? |
| 03:44.35 | ttuttle | A|JT: Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 03:44.40 | jbq | deletes all traces of offby1's email from his machine and gmail account. don't want to have bits of a user's private info. |
| 03:44.49 | ttuttle | A|JT: Likely someone wkll be able to help. |
| 03:45.04 | ttuttle | jbq: nice try. Gmail is forever (sm). |
| 03:45.14 | offby1 | yeah, sure, I believe you :) |
| 03:45.20 | A|JT | well i was just gonna pm somebody because this is probably a stupid question but ok |
| 03:45.24 | offby1 | (actually I _do_ believe you but it'd be nice if we didn't have to trust) |
| 03:45.40 | offby1 | ((on the other hand, he wrote the software in my freaking _phone_; he could be eavesdropping on _everything_)) |
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| 03:45.53 | ttuttle | offby1: muahaha, etc. |
| 03:45.57 | offby1 | ayup |
| 03:46.02 | A|JT | how would i store input from a user. just a simple test program. something that gets a line of text from a user and stores it in a variable |
| 03:46.04 | offby1 | holds his pinky to the corner of his mouth |
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| 03:46.16 | A|JT | normally i have just done this with Scanner |
| 03:46.20 | jbq | plus I actually wrote all the code that you use to download OTA updates, email attachments, market apps, so there are a *lot* of your bits going through my code. |
| 03:46.27 | offby1 | :) |
| 03:46.31 | ttuttle | offby1: there could be a screen like the one that displays user searches that shows your twext messages ;-P |
| 03:46.35 | offby1 | hell, Google already owns most of my life |
| 03:46.49 | Dhersy | algum brasileiro ai? |
| 03:46.50 | ttuttle | s/twext/text/; |
| 03:47.02 | yakischloba | is all this stuff I just read with jasta happening on a stock G1? something I type ends up being run as a command? |
| 03:47.18 | ttuttle | A|JT: implement a UI? |
| 03:47.20 | jbq | but seriously, I don't want your private information (and I've been very careful in fact to make sure that the private info that goes through my code doesn't even get in the log) |
| 03:47.24 | jbq | gotta run. |
| 03:47.35 | ttuttle | yakischloba: ...maybe. |
| 03:47.36 | jasta | lol |
| 03:47.40 | yakischloba | rofl |
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| 03:47.57 | jasta | this is so hilarious |
| 03:48.01 | yakischloba | agreed |
| 03:48.14 | jasta | types cat |
| 03:48.15 | ttuttle | it's a wondeful bug. |
| 03:49.31 | ttuttle | ponders grabbing an eng build that comes with a legit "su". |
| 03:50.12 | Damm | eng builds come with su? |
| 03:50.13 | Damm | weird |
| 03:50.33 | jasta | sure enough, after rebooting, there is no longer constant throughput |
| 03:50.35 | jasta | and no more ping running |
| 03:50.38 | jasta | chuckles |
| 03:51.12 | Damm | jasta, stop the hacks :) |
| 03:51.16 | ttuttle | Damm: yeah, for debugging and stuff. |
| 03:51.25 | A|JT | why would something like this not work? Scanner kb= new Scanner(System.in); |
| 03:51.25 | A|JT | String test = kb.nextLine(); |
| 03:51.46 | jasta | because stdin is not connected to anything |
| 03:51.54 | ttuttle | A|JT: System.in is the console. Android does not have one. |
| 03:52.00 | jasta | (what did you expect it to be connected to?) |
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| 03:52.10 | ttuttle | jasta: clearly the keyboard |
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| 03:52.40 | A|JT | ok i see, not sure what im thinking right now. |
| 03:53.21 | ttuttle | A|JT: have you looked at the user interface docs? |
| 03:53.43 | ttuttle | A|JT: you can just make an EditText and a Button... |
| 03:53.54 | A|JT | looking now |
| 03:55.01 | jasta | starts hacking on FastScrollView |
| 03:55.11 | jasta | it has lame behaviour where it looks to "jitter" around |
| 03:55.13 | jasta | it's too sensitive |
| 04:01.10 | romainguy__ | don't touch it too much because FastScrollView is promoted as a top level widget in the next version of the framework |
| 04:01.17 | romainguy__ | which means it moved packages |
| 04:01.27 | romainguy__ | so merges are gonna be annoying :) |
| 04:01.28 | jasta | i copied it into my project space for the time being |
| 04:01.39 | aggtrfrad | hehe (off topic) i just noticed google owns gogle.com and gooogle.com domains :p |
| 04:01.44 | jasta | i will not screw with it i guess, but please fix the jitter :) |
| 04:02.08 | romainguy__ | I'm pondering promoting the SlidingDrawer as well |
| 04:02.23 | jasta | romainguy__: if you rest your finger it is detecting minute changes in the scroll height which causes it to jitter up and down even when the user isnt "really" moving |
| 04:02.31 | romainguy__ | yeah I know |
| 04:02.47 | jasta | i was just looking into why, but i have greater faith in your ability to fix this widget properly :) |
| 04:02.54 | romainguy__ | if you have a simple fix, send it to me, I'll apply it on mainline |
| 04:03.02 | romainguy__ | I actually never touched FastScrollView :p |
| 04:03.07 | jasta | i was just gonna hack it to only jump by alphabet (not more granular than that) |
| 04:03.14 | romainguy__ | ok I see |
| 04:03.17 | jasta | because that makes sense for my app |
| 04:03.19 | jasta | but not in general |
| 04:03.30 | jasta | maybe i could just look at why its so insanely sensitive and fix that |
| 04:03.41 | romainguy__ | probably because it doesn't smooth the touch events |
| 04:03.45 | jasta | debugging views is really hard tho |
| 04:03.52 | romainguy__ | tell me about it :p |
| 04:04.30 | romainguy__ | that's in part why I built HiearchyViewer and the FrameworkProfiler |
| 04:05.07 | offby1 | what is the number in brackets on the beginning of each kernel log line-- is it the number of seconds since the kernel booted? |
| 04:05.08 | jasta | romainguy__: so, i do have a question about how this works though (just curious) |
| 04:05.22 | romainguy__ | FastScrollView? |
| 04:05.42 | jbq_ | offby1: I don't know |
| 04:05.54 | jasta | yeah, why does it implement scrollTo() when it just uses the ListView child to do all the real scrolling |
| 04:06.46 | jasta | oh nevermind, it doesn't. |
| 04:07.08 | jasta | private void scrollTo(float) is not public void scrollTo(int, int). sorry. |
| 04:07.15 | offby1 | jbq_: o hai. Was gonna say; yes I trust you. (I used to work for a company that was trying to do electronic voting right; I'm well aware of data-privacy issues :-) |
| 04:07.39 | romainguy__ | jasta: er, it's private |
| 04:07.43 | romainguy__ | oh you noticed already |
| 04:09.13 | spikebike | voting is tough |
| 04:09.59 | offby1 | "if the problem doesn't sound insoluble, then you haven't thought about it enough" |
| 04:10.25 | jbq_ | lol great quote |
| 04:10.35 | romainguy__ | <sigh> |
| 04:10.36 | romainguy__ | I need to finish my stupid app |
| 04:10.44 | jasta | what app? |
| 04:10.56 | romainguy__ | the books thingie |
| 04:11.49 | offby1 | jbq: read Ben Adida's blog (another French mathematician) -- he's still doing what my company went outta business trying to do :-| |
| 04:12.38 | jbq | heh. I could almost say that Android is what my previous 2 companies went out of business trying to do. |
| 04:12.46 | waldo_ | hey jasta I found a bug with your email program |
| 04:12.54 | waldo_ | you do k-9 right? |
| 04:13.03 | jasta | i do not |
| 04:13.05 | waldo_ | damn |
| 04:13.13 | waldo_ | i thought that was you.. |
| 04:13.20 | jasta | nope, though i am working on the Email app |
| 04:13.26 | jasta | i chose not to fork my work |
| 04:14.07 | offby1 | I choose for fork my spaghetti! My wife prefers chopsticks |
| 04:14.25 | waldo_ | jasta you were working on the IMAP stuff? |
| 04:14.33 | jasta | i am adding IMAP IDLE, yes |
| 04:14.36 | waldo_ | so k9 is totally different |
| 04:14.41 | jasta | completely. |
| 04:14.45 | waldo_ | huh... i thought it was yours for some reason |
| 04:14.56 | romainguy__ | k9 is a fork of Android's Email |
| 04:14.59 | cmonex | alansj... i was called away...no the screen doesnt look like spl but the bands are a bit like it.. just diff colour |
| 04:15.02 | romainguy__ | and jasta is writing patches for Android's Email |
| 04:15.10 | waldo_ | got it |
| 04:15.13 | offby1 | too many email clients! |
| 04:15.16 | offby1 | 's head spins |
| 04:15.23 | romainguy__ | and they're all the same one really :) |
| 04:15.39 | romainguy__ | slaps himself: go finish your app dammit! |
| 04:15.41 | jasta | romainguy__: do you have any general recommendations for smoothing the touch position? |
| 04:16.10 | jasta | looking at their code, that seems to be the very simple problem here. they just take it as a literal value so very very small changes in the MotionEvent will move the list |
| 04:16.11 | offby1 | slaps romainguy_: go finish your app, damn it |
| 04:16.28 | jasta | if the list is sufficiently large |
| 04:16.49 | romainguy__ | jasta: you could do what we for touch scroll |
| 04:16.57 | romainguy__ | and use a threshold |
| 04:17.03 | romainguy__ | look at android.view.ViewConfiguration |
| 04:17.07 | jasta | ok |
| 04:17.12 | waldo_ | i just realized why I thought that... confused "jesse" with "jasta" hah |
| 04:17.15 | romainguy__ | it provides a set of methods that returns values for that kind of situation |
| 04:17.22 | jasta | excellent |
| 04:17.29 | romainguy__ | in the case of touch scroll in ListView, we scroll only if the finger has moved by at least 16 pixels |
| 04:17.52 | romainguy__ | (this value is going to change soon and take into account the physical density of the screen, so do not expect it to be constant) |
| 04:18.06 | romainguy__ | (even if the current implementation is backed by a constant :) |
| 04:18.12 | jasta | is that getTouchSlop()? |
| 04:18.15 | romainguy__ | yes |
| 04:18.21 | jasta | ok, cool |
| 04:18.24 | jasta | that will fix this nicely i think |
| 04:18.47 | romainguy__ | actually it's the proper way |
| 04:18.54 | romainguy__ | since that's what our other views do |
| 04:19.04 | romainguy__ | I guess we did not do a great review on that code ^^ |
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| 04:19.23 | jasta | which is bad since it's Contacts, a heavily used app :) |
| 04:19.34 | jasta | if the list of cotnacts becomes huge, this behaviour will be obvious |
| 04:19.37 | romainguy__ | yeah |
| 04:19.50 | jasta | for small lists it wont be noticable because even though its attempting a scroll, it wont actually be moving |
| 04:19.55 | romainguy__ | unfortunately when you work 15 hours a day, 7 days a week, there come times when you don't do a great job :)) |
| 04:20.11 | romainguy__ | but I know what you mean, I've observed that behavior several times |
| 04:20.23 | jasta | my app pointed out the issue easier considering the list of artists in my collection is way larger than the list of contacts in my phone |
| 04:20.25 | ttuttle | pours romainguy__ a drink. |
| 04:21.32 | romainguy__ | hmm |
| 04:21.44 | jasta | you know, this might not be the right behaviour after all |
| 04:21.50 | romainguy__ | I don't know if I should be happy or sad about the fact that the most viewed photos on my Flickr over the past 30 days are photos of the G1 launch |
| 04:22.00 | jasta | i think the real issue is that it positions the list by the boundary of each item |
| 04:22.16 | jasta | instead of more granularly, so the scroll speed just doesnt match the sensitivity of the user |
| 04:23.17 | romainguy__ | to be honest, I don't like that widgets |
| 04:23.19 | romainguy__ | -s |
| 04:23.26 | jasta | really? i do. |
| 04:23.35 | romainguy__ | I hate that it works in the opposite direction of a regular scroll |
| 04:23.39 | jasta | i think its somewhat hard to use right now, but because of bugs, not a poor design |
| 04:23.39 | romainguy__ | and I find it ugly |
| 04:24.00 | jasta | i certainly like it better than the iphones alphabet bar |
| 04:24.03 | romainguy__ | I really think there could be better ways to navigate ordered lists |
| 04:24.05 | romainguy__ | yeah me too |
| 04:24.18 | romainguy__ | but I'd rather have a drill-down horizontal bar at the bottom for instance |
| 04:24.32 | jasta | how do you mean? |
| 04:24.47 | romainguy__ | for instance you'd have a bar at the bottom split into 3 or 4 regions |
| 04:24.55 | romainguy__ | like A-E F-K etc. |
| 04:25.04 | romainguy__ | you click one, then this region is subdivided again |
| 04:25.08 | jasta | oh right |
| 04:25.16 | jasta | that would be great |
| 04:25.17 | romainguy__ | I know it's a couple of clicks |
| 04:25.22 | romainguy__ | but at least you cannot miss |
| 04:25.30 | romainguy__ | or at least not as easily as with FastScrollView |
| 04:25.59 | jasta | what would be nice is pressing there could expand the selection (F-K, for instance) and then fade in a row abnove it with F, G, H, I, ...) and you can just move your finger up into that section |
| 04:26.12 | jasta | thats a pretty slick idea |
| 04:26.13 | romainguy__ | that too |
| 04:26.23 | romainguy__ | either one of those I'd prefer to FastScrollView :p |
| 04:26.55 | jasta | so, is there a way to scroll a list by pixel? |
| 04:27.11 | jasta | i think that would be the best short term fix for FastScrollView the more i think about it. |
| 04:27.24 | romainguy__ | I don't know if we ever got around to implementing scrollTo/scrollBy in ListView |
| 04:27.28 | romainguy__ | but the code knows how to do it |
| 04:27.33 | romainguy__ | that's what a touch scroll does |
| 04:27.57 | romainguy__ | look in AbsListView (or AdapterView?), trackMotionScroll() |
| 04:28.10 | jasta | i bet you could just use setSelectionFromTop |
| 04:28.24 | romainguy__ | that would work too |
| 04:28.28 | romainguy__ | although it might do a full layout |
| 04:28.30 | jasta | pick a position nearby to where you want to scroll, then just offset it by your remainder |
| 04:28.33 | romainguy__ | I don't remember |
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| 04:28.50 | romainguy__ | AbsListView's trackMotionScroll does a lot of fancy things to avoid layouts |
| 04:29.15 | jasta | yes, setSelectionFromTop does do a layout |
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| 04:30.07 | romainguy__ | jasta: http://git.source.android.com/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=blob;f=core/java/android/widget/AbsListView.java;h=19b1ce01dd66981c3f2909161b72a16d6eee0536;hb=HEAD << line 2117 |
| 04:30.29 | romainguy__ | one of the cool things with having FastScrollView in android.widget is that we could then use methods like trackMotionScroll |
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| 04:30.55 | romainguy__ | or you could make trackMotionScroll protected |
| 04:31.06 | romainguy__ | it looks like it does exactly what you want |
| 04:31.13 | jasta | how could i make it protected? |
| 04:31.24 | romainguy__ | add the protected modified to its signature |
| 04:31.27 | jasta | i couldnt make framework changes and use them in my app hehe |
| 04:31.33 | romainguy__ | no you can't :) |
| 04:31.47 | romainguy__ | you could copy the code but I bet it's using full of private stuff |
| 04:31.53 | romainguy__ | -full+tons |
| 04:32.21 | jasta | i'll see if i can digest this |
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| 04:34.51 | g1er | just curious... |
| 04:35.02 | g1er | is there a backdoor through the browser into the market? or..will saving apps to SD actually even save any sys memory? regardless of the install location. |
| 04:35.21 | jasta | romainguy__: hmm, actually... |
| 04:35.32 | jasta | it calls offsetChildrenTopAndBottom to do this i think which is public in ViewGroup |
| 04:35.58 | jbq | g1er: there's no such backdoor. And installing apps through the browser doesn't save any memory. |
| 04:36.38 | g1er | kind of what i figured, thanks. |
| 04:37.14 | romainguy__ | jasta: yes, that's public |
| 04:37.25 | romainguy__ | but I just wanted to avoid you the burden of rewriting the rest of this code |
| 04:37.33 | jasta | meh, i dont care to fuss with this. im sure ill hit some roadblock :) |
| 04:37.50 | romainguy__ | ^^ |
| 04:37.53 | jasta | hopefully when FastScrollView is moved into a public API these issues will be dealt iwth hehe |
| 04:38.12 | romainguy__ | as long as I don't have to deal with them... :0 |
| 04:38.13 | cmonex | will there be way to install apps to sd? =P |
| 04:38.42 | romainguy__ | cmonex: it's in the plans I think |
| 04:38.49 | romainguy__ | no ETA though |
| 04:39.22 | cmonex | romainguy_: cool |
| 04:39.30 | wastrel | fbreader needs a lot of wrok |
| 04:39.32 | wastrel | work |
| 04:39.34 | cmonex | any ETA on allowing root access officially? |
| 04:39.37 | cmonex | is it even possible |
| 04:39.45 | cmonex | I dont know if tmobile has restrictions on this or google.. |
| 04:39.45 | romainguy__ | not on the G1 |
| 04:39.50 | cmonex | so tmobile? |
| 04:40.01 | romainguy__ | I don't know |
| 04:40.08 | cmonex | ok |
| 04:40.14 | romainguy__ | but Android, as an operating system, doesn't prevent root |
| 04:40.21 | romainguy__ | it's this distribution of Android that does |
| 04:40.24 | jasta | im sure that the restrictions come from whomever fields support requests. which would be T-Mobile and HTC |
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| 04:40.37 | romainguy__ | and frankly, being root is not such a big deal |
| 04:40.45 | romainguy__ | like I said, the real solution is developer devices |
| 04:40.50 | romainguy__ | fully unlocked, especially to flash them |
| 04:40.56 | wastrel | i'll take one |
| 04:40.57 | jasta | yes, but that is unlikely toe ver happen |
| 04:41.15 | jasta | (there's not enough revenue to justify the production and support of these types of units) |
| 04:42.29 | romainguy__ | @!# need to finish this app |
| 04:42.34 | romainguy__ | I want to open source the main activity |
| 04:42.50 | jasta | close irc you fool :) |
| 04:43.08 | romainguy__ | and my books |
| 04:43.12 | romainguy__ | and hide the video games |
| 04:43.16 | romainguy__ | and hide my girl friend |
| 04:43.18 | romainguy__ | etc. |
| 04:43.19 | romainguy__ | :) |
| 04:43.21 | ttuttle | romainguy__: /me wil ltake the last two. |
| 04:43.27 | romainguy__ | lol |
| 04:44.19 | muthu | anyone got activitycreator running without tinkering the library path? |
| 04:44.44 | romainguy__ | muthu: make sdk, go in the sdk directory and run it :) |
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| 04:45.05 | muthu | romainguy__: right, but it always sets the path wrong.. |
| 04:45.16 | romainguy__ | what path? |
| 04:45.19 | muthu | not able to find the 'lib' under tools |
| 04:45.24 | DarkriftX | hola everyone |
| 04:45.48 | romainguy__ | muthu: when you go in the tools directory and run ./activitycreator? |
| 04:45.52 | romainguy__ | it works fine for me :( |
| 04:46.12 | muthu | #java -Dcom.android.activitycreator.toolsdir=$progdirbase -cp $jarpath com.android.activitycreator.ActivityCreator "$@" |
| 04:46.23 | muthu | $progdirbase - that's not set right |
| 04:47.02 | muthu | romainguy__: i run activitycreator from my project dir.. not tools dir |
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| 04:47.33 | pfft1 | Hello folks :-) |
| 04:48.09 | muthu | pfft1: howdy |
| 04:48.13 | pfft1 | Does anyone here know what all of the files with the ".d" extention in the mydroid directory are used for? |
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| 04:48.57 | muthu | gdsx: is the activitycreator shell script, generated from templates? |
| 04:49.01 | wastrel | the hello android tutorial says activitycreator is a python script |
| 04:49.15 | muthu | wastrel: its a shell script now |
| 04:49.30 | muthu | which invokes a jar |
| 04:49.37 | wastrel | it just calls java with the activity creator jar |
| 04:50.29 | muthu | yep, the shell script sets a few properties for the jar |
| 04:50.40 | muthu | but doesn't set it right.. |
| 04:50.43 | alansj | aaaaargh, I just cannot figure out the format of logo.lre |
| 04:51.08 | romainguy__ | jasta: actually, you might be interested in my books thingie code for your app |
| 04:51.18 | jasta | yeah? |
| 04:51.34 | alansj | Or, actually, initlogo.lre. I can put files in there and it makes whacked out pictures on the screen when booting, but not the pictures I drew. |
| 04:51.37 | wastrel | books thingie? |
| 04:52.11 | wastrel | is it an ebook reader ? |
| 04:52.37 | romainguy__ | jasta: it loads pictures from the sdcard but beacuse that slows down the scrolling, it does a lot of fancy async loading with cross fade of placeholders to the real images |
| 04:53.32 | DarkriftX | alansj, have you tried mspaint? |
| 04:53.35 | jasta | i thought about working on that part of my code recently |
| 04:53.43 | jasta | to do async loads from the sdcard, but meh :) |
| 04:53.46 | jasta | too much other crap to do |
| 04:53.47 | alansj | no, I don't actually have a windows box here |
| 04:53.55 | jasta | it would be nice if you just gifted me the code hehe |
| 04:54.14 | romainguy__ | hehe |
| 04:54.16 | romainguy__ | I can do that |
| 04:54.54 | DarkriftX | alansj, ill try to find mspaint.exe and run it in wine if you want to dcc me the file |
| 04:55.04 | DarkriftX | actually taht wouldnt work |
| 04:55.07 | DarkriftX | you need to do the edits lol |
| 04:55.37 | hiro|work | anybody know where i could get a good screen protector for g1? |
| 04:55.44 | alansj | I'm 90% certain that mspaint won't work so I dunno if it's worth your time |
| 04:55.52 | cmonex | romainguy_: I'm going to guess it is tmobile... HTC has been using the totally non secure windows mobile for years =P |
| 04:56.04 | cmonex | (yeah ok tmobile is their largest customer i think) |
| 04:56.08 | DarkriftX | alansj, in win 3.0 and 3.1 the windows boot screens were .rle animated files. i used to edit them in mspaint on win 3.0-win 95 |
| 04:56.18 | alansj | hmm, interesting |
| 04:56.22 | DarkriftX | unless they removed support, im sure it will |
| 04:56.38 | Hiro2 | anybody know where i could get a good screen protector for g1? I saw this one that was made in Japan on ebay but forgot the link.. anyone know? |
| 04:56.40 | alansj | the thing is there are like a million different forms of rle |
| 04:56.53 | cmonex | [05:40:51] <romainguy__> like I said, the real solution is developer devices [05:40:57] <romainguy__> fully unlocked, especially to flash them ----> if you flash the developer bootloader etc on a production device, that would be equal to a "real" eng device, no? |
| 04:57.06 | DarkriftX | romainguy_, can you find out what google used to create the rle files for us? lol |
| 04:57.29 | romainguy_ | cmonex: except that you have to go through all this weird shit you guys are going through, so no |
| 04:57.37 | romainguy_ | DarkriftX: ask swetland |
| 04:57.42 | DarkriftX | ty :) |
| 04:57.43 | cmonex | romainguy_ but after that they were equal yeah? :P |
| 04:57.47 | DarkriftX | nudges swetland |
| 04:57.49 | cmonex | were = would be |
| 04:57.50 | cmonex | :S |
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| 05:02.08 | pfft1 | Does anyone here know what all of the files with the ".d" extention in the mydroid directory are used for? |
| 05:02.12 | jasta | romainguy: i made a trivial change to FastScrollView to just avoid calling scrollTo until after you've moved by 4 pixels |
| 05:02.32 | jasta | works much better now. no more jitter |
| 05:02.38 | romainguy_ | cool |
| 05:03.00 | DarkriftX | ok, mspaint.exe doesnt seem to like wine |
| 05:03.03 | DarkriftX | or its missing dll's |
| 05:03.18 | muthu | hmm.. can't figure out how this 'activitycreator' shell script is generated |
| 05:03.23 | muthu | any ideas? |
| 05:04.43 | jasta | it isnt generated at all. it's a small shell script which invokes com.android.activitycreator.ActivityCreator |
| 05:04.50 | jasta | which is in development/tools/activitycreator |
| 05:05.09 | pfft1 | ms paint ... LOL! |
| 05:05.10 | muthu | jasta: look at the generated one in 'sdk' |
| 05:05.13 | pfft1 | http://www.truveo.com/MS-Paint-by-freeloveforum/id/4202538968 |
| 05:05.36 | jasta | in 'sdk'? i am looking at the one in 1.0r1 |
| 05:05.49 | jasta | and it's identical to the one in development/tools/activitycreator/etc |
| 05:05.54 | muthu | jasta: no, its different |
| 05:06.10 | muthu | it used to be.. its not anymore |
| 05:06.37 | jasta | it's not different at all |
| 05:06.47 | jasta | < # Copyright (C) 2007 The Android Open Source Project |
| 05:06.47 | jasta | --- |
| 05:06.48 | jasta | > # Copyright (C) 2007 Google Inc. |
| 05:06.49 | jasta | that's all i show :) |
| 05:06.55 | muthu | jasta: you need to 'make sdk'.. |
| 05:07.19 | jasta | i can't on this machine, actually. |
| 05:07.37 | muthu | ok.. the latest build generates a different one |
| 05:07.50 | muthu | its not copied as is |
| 05:07.57 | jasta | let me try building on my box at work |
| 05:08.03 | muthu | ok |
| 05:08.22 | jasta | if its being generated it must just be some make rule somewhere tho |
| 05:08.55 | jasta | just grep all the Android.mk files for the target |
| 05:09.14 | muthu | it should be from 'make' files.. |
| 05:09.19 | muthu | grepped all java, c etc., |
| 05:10.06 | jasta | argh, i can't get to my work right now. oh well. |
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| 05:11.27 | alansj | DarkriftX: do you have a url for mspaint? |
| 05:11.38 | DarkriftX | i have the exe but doesnt run in wine |
| 05:11.41 | DarkriftX | friend sent it to me |
| 05:11.57 | alansj | ah ok, I have a vm here |
| 05:12.05 | cbeust_ | If you're running Windows, you should have it |
| 05:12.11 | DarkriftX | ahhh, forgot about vm |
| 05:12.13 | DarkriftX | i have one too |
| 05:12.32 | alansj | yeah, I didn't install it and it wants the source cd |
| 05:12.36 | alansj | this is so stupid |
| 05:12.40 | alansj | it's not going to work anyway |
| 05:12.40 | DarkriftX | need the exe? |
| 05:12.44 | alansj | yah |
| 05:13.05 | alansj | thx |
| 05:13.07 | cbeust_ | uses Paint.net |
| 05:13.20 | DarkriftX | cbeust_, does that work on the rle included with android? |
| 05:13.25 | tmzt | don't know if windows95 version supports that rle |
| 05:13.31 | Cedric_ | Ah that's what you're trying to do |
| 05:13.32 | tmzt | but 3.1 version might |
| 05:13.36 | Cedric_ | No I highly doubt it |
| 05:13.41 | DarkriftX | what does :( |
| 05:15.01 | pfft1 | rle? what does that stand for? |
| 05:15.11 | alansj | run-length encoding |
| 05:15.14 | pfft1 | thanks |
| 05:15.21 | ionstorm | where is a good place for detailed android coding tut's |
| 05:15.24 | alansj | it's a general way of encoding images, not a specific standard |
| 05:15.35 | alansj | which is why it's so hard to find something that will support it |
| 05:15.49 | alansj | you can encode a bmp using rle... but there are many ways/settings for the rle |
| 05:16.09 | swetland | the .rle stuff is 16bit rgb565 rle. I don't think anything else actually uses that format |
| 05:16.35 | alansj | right, it's created by this, right? http://git.source.android.com/?p=platform/build.git;a=tree;f=tools/rgb2565 |
| 05:16.39 | romainguy | it's the 565 that's probably throwing then off ;) |
| 05:16.54 | alansj | but I can't figure out what to give to that binary... like what kind of image file |
| 05:17.03 | swetland | alansj: yup |
| 05:17.12 | alansj | yup |
| 05:17.19 | swetland | it wants a raw rgb888 image for input |
| 05:17.36 | swetland | it can generate a raw rgb565 output (default) or rle rgb565 (-r flag) |
| 05:17.37 | alansj | ah yes, the famed raw rgb888 format (?!) |
| 05:18.00 | romainguy | can't do simpler than raw rgb888 :) |
| 05:18.35 | jbq | feels pedantic... gray8? |
| 05:18.37 | swetland | recent gimp has "Raw Image" as an option in file save |
| 05:18.48 | alansj | hooray |
| 05:18.50 | jbq | is about the get slapped and will have deserved it |
| 05:19.00 | offby1 | Tony the Tiger says: they're grayyyy8 |
| 05:19.02 | swetland | which is how I generated all the source images we've converted to 565 |
| 05:19.07 | romainguy | kicks jbq |
| 05:20.26 | tmzt | I tried to open a 565 dump from framebuffer and it just came out completely wrong in gimp raw |
| 05:21.45 | tmzt | oh, you don't mean saved to 565 just rgb888 |
| 05:22.19 | michaelnovakjr_ | swetland: btw i didn't need the ident for IRC, i have it working |
| 05:22.55 | romainguy | jasta: can you read .mov files? |
| 05:22.59 | scootley | what do i do if my youtube player says "there is no network connection right now. please try again later" in a big popup over a video as it is playing. i have tried restarting and i don't have any connection issues from other apps |
| 05:23.30 | scootley | nor is there actually any connection issue with youtube. it plays videos behind the popup |
| 05:24.02 | brocktice | So I finally got a prompt for the OTA update today, but I applied it manually before. Any way to make it permanently go away/ |
| 05:24.06 | brocktice | ? |
| 05:24.36 | jbq | gets his stuff ready for an extended week-end in Seattle. Stupid idea to go there in November... |
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| 05:32.49 | geist | yay rainy time |
| 05:34.41 | romainguy | jasta: http://progx.org/users/Gfx/shelves.mp4 << it's in the emulator, but device performance are very similar |
| 05:35.26 | romainguy | (I have to fix the glitch when it tries to transition from an unknown cover to an unknown cover) |
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| 05:40.52 | pfft1 | anyone know which app was the one responsible to the RC29 bug? |
| 05:41.02 | geist | which one is the rc29 bug? |
| 05:41.22 | pfft1 | geist: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=680 |
| 05:41.31 | geist | yeah that one |
| 05:41.35 | geist | no one app |
| 05:41.38 | romainguy | no app is responsible :) |
| 05:41.43 | geist | the kernel is, basically |
| 05:41.45 | romainguy | ask swetland :) |
| 05:41.57 | swetland | it's a configuration bug |
| 05:42.17 | pfft1 | swetland: ahh ... i see |
| 05:43.01 | pfft1 | is there a "/usr/bin" that I could see for android? |
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| 05:44.45 | muthu | running apps from sdcard, killing background apps - 2 most requested features |
| 05:44.46 | pfft1 | err ... apparently there must be some kind of "bash" or "sh" for android ??? |
| 05:45.02 | tmzt | /system/bin/ |
| 05:45.13 | pfft1 | tmzt: Thanks! |
| 05:45.29 | pfft1 | tmzt: how do i "get to" that? |
| 05:45.50 | alansj | http://android-dls.com/forum/index.php?f=15&t=151&rb_v=viewtopic |
| 05:46.05 | alansj | and for a better shell |
| 05:46.05 | alansj | http://android-dls.com/forum/index.php?f=15&t=153&rb_v=viewtopic |
| 05:46.39 | pfft1 | alansj: Thanks! |
| 05:47.01 | alansj | but all of that is necessary only if you want root... you can get to the shell using adb from the android tools |
| 05:47.14 | alansj | but you will have very limited access |
| 05:47.32 | ieatlint | although those instructions needlessly have you cd to your path and then execute from your path (not executing locally) |
| 05:48.13 | ieatlint | and as the bug that was just being discussed points out, you don't need pterminal... just type "<return>telnetd<return>" from any screen on the phone, heh |
| 05:48.31 | alansj | right, actually I forgot about these updated directions: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480 |
| 05:50.19 | alansj | I'm giving up on trying to get these images to work. Everything I create just ends up looking like random strings of color when I boot up. FWIW, you get it to show up on boot by placing initlogo.rle in the root dir of your modded boot image |
| 05:50.26 | ieatlint | it's kinda funny to read how many people are upset and scared about the bug being fixed, convinced google is just trying to take away root |
| 05:51.04 | offby1 | well, they _are_ |
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| 05:51.45 | ieatlint | yeah, the bastards... they should just leave a massive security hole around |
| 05:52.06 | romainguy | adn then people would be upset and scared :) |
| 05:59.20 | pfft1 | so can any of this "root getting" be done in the emulator? |
| 05:59.45 | ieatlint | the emulator is already set to ro.secure=0, which means you already have root |
| 05:59.54 | cbeust | I would love to hear why you'd want to do that :) |
| 06:00.40 | tmzt | is the emulator using trout now? |
| 06:01.25 | d0nets | do we have video recording yet? i just taught this dog how to jump and id like to record it for lulz |
| 06:01.26 | pfft1 | just the idea of telnetting into my emulator ... I might feel better afterward |
| 06:01.56 | cbeust | Do you want to telnet or to become root? (none of which make much sense to me, but well) |
| 06:02.09 | DarkriftX | ieatlint, i understand why they are doing it, but im still pissed |
| 06:02.16 | pfft1 | telnetting into it would be a good start |
| 06:02.23 | DarkriftX | i wont buy an android device that cannot be "opened" |
| 06:02.28 | cbeust | But what for? |
| 06:02.37 | ieatlint | so take advantage of the exploit now |
| 06:02.48 | DarkriftX | i want the ability to get root, not constant root |
| 06:03.03 | cbeust | gives up |
| 06:03.04 | DarkriftX | and i want the ability to have a linux command line on the phone itself (with su ability) |
| 06:03.16 | michaelnovakjr__ | gave up a long time ago |
| 06:03.24 | ieatlint | heh, yeah |
| 06:03.24 | pfft1 | cbeust: well ... i'd like to see what commands are available in /system/bin by default |
| 06:03.32 | DarkriftX | i like android because its the first real stable perfected mobile linux, not because its got a java front end |
| 06:03.38 | cbeust | adb shell ls /system/bin ? |
| 06:03.40 | DarkriftX | the java front end would be used for phone only for me |
| 06:03.58 | ieatlint | what do you plan on doing with root? |
| 06:04.03 | ieatlint | or do you just like having it there? |
| 06:04.04 | pfft1 | cbeust: Thanks! |
| 06:04.11 | DarkriftX | having it there for when its needed |
| 06:04.12 | tmzt | /system/bin/sh I think |
| 06:04.30 | DarkriftX | ieatlint, as a linux user i end up using root (or sudo) all the time |
| 06:04.38 | DarkriftX | taking that away would leave linux very limited |
| 06:04.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | DarkriftX: i'd have to disagree.... i really only use root to install or update my machine |
| 06:05.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | everything else runs as my user / i can do what i need to with out sudo |
| 06:05.30 | cbeust | DarkriftX: I would beg to differ, Linux on Dream is pretty flexible even without root access, but I sympathize |
| 06:05.51 | DarkriftX | like i said, constant root isnt needed, but the ability to use it when needed is |
| 06:06.09 | ieatlint | there are definite uses to root on the g1, but i question how many people need it |
| 06:06.11 | cbeust | And michaelnovakjr is right, you shouldn't have to use su so often on a regular Linux |
| 06:06.17 | DarkriftX | i agree, most do not |
| 06:06.18 | d0nets | i agree with darkriftx |
| 06:06.22 | DarkriftX | but "I" would |
| 06:06.24 | ieatlint | the biggest use for it now it to satisfy people's curiosity as the phone is taken apart |
| 06:06.27 | d0nets | i need it |
| 06:06.35 | d0nets | we need it |
| 06:06.35 | DarkriftX | i like to tweak stuff |
| 06:06.38 | d0nets | its an open platform |
| 06:06.43 | DarkriftX | poke around, read what i want, edit what i want |
| 06:06.46 | d0nets | we need root to maintain OUR OS |
| 06:06.47 | ieatlint | but not an open device :P |
| 06:07.03 | DarkriftX | which is why i do not blame google for locking it back down |
| 06:07.11 | DarkriftX | i blame tmo, but still dont like it |
| 06:07.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | DarkriftX: for example... all my network drives automount to my user only |
| 06:07.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | that way i dont have to sudo mount them every time i login |
| 06:07.27 | d0nets | imo i think google maybe "accidently" left it open |
| 06:07.29 | DarkriftX | if its locked again and no method to unlock is found, i will wait for the next device |
| 06:07.32 | d0nets | i mean thats too easy |
| 06:07.40 | swetland | no. it was definitely a mistake. |
| 06:07.42 | DarkriftX | i dont d0nets, too much at stake |
| 06:07.50 | ieatlint | that was a definite accident... no way google would want such a security hole |
| 06:07.50 | cbeust | d0nets: you think? :) |
| 06:07.57 | swetland | trust me, there is some massive embarrassment about that one ^^ |
| 06:08.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | it happens |
| 06:08.05 | DarkriftX | they needed tmo to get it out there and popular so pissing them off wasnt somethign they would want |
| 06:08.21 | ieatlint | if google wanted to leave a back end, they would've put some tiny command as setuid root that one could use to exploit in the debug shell |
| 06:08.27 | DarkriftX | now in a year from now, that wouldnt have seemed impossible |
| 06:08.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'm very happy with the G1... i don't see what having root access would do for me |
| 06:08.52 | DarkriftX | this bug was WAY too open to be done on purpose |
| 06:08.54 | michaelnovakjr__ | i mean its a phone :) |
| 06:09.02 | DarkriftX | michaelnovakjr, i dont want it for the phone |
| 06:09.09 | DarkriftX | i would rarely make calls on it |
| 06:09.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | DarkriftX: what's your intended use |
| 06:09.16 | DarkriftX | id use it as a handheld computer |
| 06:09.18 | Laz | can we compile parts of the source(/extras packages) instead of the whole thing?? |
| 06:09.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | DarkriftX: oh, i don't make calls either :) i use it for data and sms |
| 06:09.29 | DarkriftX | handheld internet browser, ssh etc |
| 06:09.35 | DarkriftX | i dont text |
| 06:09.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | ssh i have :) |
| 06:09.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | browser i have :) |
| 06:09.41 | pfft1 | michaelnovakjr: not sure i understand your automount ... err ... "everytime I login" ... why do you login? |
| 06:09.54 | michaelnovakjr__ | pfft1: to my linux computer... |
| 06:10.03 | DarkriftX | login is for windows users who have to reboot :s |
| 06:10.05 | DarkriftX | jk |
| 06:10.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 06:10.23 | DarkriftX | or ppl like me whos kids keep unplugging his laptop :@ |
| 06:10.36 | DarkriftX | my laptop has been on for 2 years :S |
| 06:10.45 | DarkriftX | minus maybe 30 hours |
| 06:10.58 | DarkriftX | every week or so my kids unplug it while im at work |
| 06:11.40 | pfft1 | michaelnovakjr: so when you login to your linux computer ... err ... what automounts exactly? |
| 06:11.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | my network drives |
| 06:11.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | i have a file server setup |
| 06:12.31 | pfft1 | michaelnovakjr: so ... your G1 automounts your networkdrives? |
| 06:12.39 | DarkriftX | his computer |
| 06:12.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | pfft1: ^^ my linux desktop |
| 06:12.42 | DarkriftX | not phone |
| 06:12.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 06:12.51 | ieatlint | that would be funny |
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| 06:13.01 | jsherman | one reason to want root is so you can write things you can't do in java |
| 06:13.02 | ieatlint | but the g1 has no nfs :( |
| 06:13.05 | jsherman | so you can write to the base fs |
| 06:13.52 | jsherman | e.g., write a tethering app |
| 06:13.52 | ieatlint | which wouldn't need the fs |
| 06:13.52 | jsherman | or encrypt the data partition |
| 06:14.04 | Laz | themes!!! |
| 06:14.20 | ieatlint | and more likely a tethering script... the phone has netfilter, so you may be able to cross compile iptables and some nat modules ;) |
| 06:14.34 | DarkriftX | iptables is in there i thought |
| 06:14.37 | jsherman | how are you going to install it on the phone |
| 06:14.39 | pfft1 | jsherman: Who told you that there is something that cant be done in Java? |
| 06:14.47 | Laz | iptables is inside |
| 06:15.01 | ieatlint | hmmm, i've seen the netfilter stuffs, but not iptables |
| 06:15.09 | jsherman | pfft1, tethering and encrypted data |
| 06:15.41 | jsherman | i guess you could do tethering really inefficiently in java at a higher level, but that would be retarded |
| 06:15.49 | Laz | http://git.source.android.com/?p=platform/external/iptables.git;a=summary |
| 06:16.02 | pfft1 | jsherman: agreed ... i was kidding |
| 06:16.18 | pfft1 | jsherman: but encryption should be doable now, right? |
| 06:16.21 | jsherman | how? |
| 06:16.28 | pfft1 | jsherman: hmm ... |
| 06:18.00 | ieatlint | i'll have to compile that and give a look |
| 06:18.27 | ieatlint | as for feature requests.. how about bookmarks for folders, and the ability to resort them... |
| 06:18.37 | ieatlint | err, folders for bookmarks |
| 06:18.51 | pfft1 | jsherman: bropbear? |
| 06:19.00 | pfft1 | jsherman: err ... dropbear? |
| 06:19.26 | jsherman | ? |
| 06:19.27 | pfft1 | jsherman: ahh ... that's C ... not Java |
| 06:19.33 | TheSarge | my charger was caught on my pants some how and wheen i stood the usb end ripped off! |
| 06:19.44 | jsherman | pfft1, how does that help w/ an encrypted disk? |
| 06:20.04 | cmonex | wow TheSarge =( |
| 06:20.05 | pfft1 | jsherman: android has a disk? |
| 06:20.07 | offby1 | and now my pants are on fire, and my wife has left me! |
| 06:20.11 | offby1 | I blame Sergey!! |
| 06:20.15 | pfft1 | jsherman: oh ... you mean the fs? |
| 06:20.21 | cmonex | yeah, i would leave you if you did that to one of my pda's. :) |
| 06:20.38 | ieatlint | in some cultures, that's considered good luck |
| 06:20.43 | jsherman | sure, whatever you want to call it |
| 06:20.55 | TheSarge | ya i don't have any money for a new one either |
| 06:21.20 | TheSarge | i could just splice and rewire but its in the usb part |
| 06:21.41 | pfft1 | TheSarge: how much do they cost? |
| 06:21.43 | ieatlint | you could buy a new miniusb connector, or steal one from another cable |
| 06:21.57 | TheSarge | i think only like 20 bucks |
| 06:22.24 | cmonex | hmm you only did the charger, not the pda's usb socket, good. |
| 06:22.25 | TheSarge | i have an extra mini usb connector |
| 06:22.47 | TheSarge | but what wires do i use? |
| 06:23.20 | ieatlint | they should be colour coded, but maybe yank out the multimeter to be sure |
| 06:23.26 | TheSarge | the charger cord has bare copper in it to, does all usb have a bare cooper in it? |
| 06:24.06 | tmzt | it's coated? |
| 06:24.10 | tmzt | clear |
| 06:24.16 | TheSarge | well the colors will be different on a charger than they will be on a usb cord won't they? |
| 06:24.26 | TheSarge | no its just bare |
| 06:24.41 | TheSarge | there are some insulated ones and one bare one |
| 06:24.52 | ieatlint | assuming it follows the colour standard, no, they won't |
| 06:24.55 | ieatlint | why would they? |
| 06:24.56 | TheSarge | like an audio cable would have |
| 06:25.32 | DarkriftX | anyone here who has replaced their recovery partition using the images on xda-devs? |
| 06:25.53 | TheSarge | id hate to kill a good usb cord just to find there is no non insulated wire to use |
| 06:26.21 | wub_ | wtf is with people putting apps in the market that aren't ready for download... there's a new one in there right now. |
| 06:26.36 | michaelnovakjr__ | wub_: which one? |
| 06:26.45 | wub_ | Blue Krakers |
| 06:27.03 | wub_ | That's what it's called -- I didn't download it because it's probably crap. |
| 06:27.14 | wub_ | The description, of course, is something like "don't download this, it's a test" |
| 06:27.25 | wub_ | rolls her eyes. |
| 06:28.18 | gambler | you cant judge a book by its cover |
| 06:28.38 | romainguy | yay, OTA |
| 06:28.44 | TheSarge | this sucs |
| 06:28.49 | TheSarge | sucks |
| 06:28.50 | wub_ | :( I was enjoying root... |
| 06:29.16 | TheSarge | does the ota fix the pterm root trick? |
| 06:29.24 | cbeust | ... maybe |
| 06:29.33 | wub_ | TheSarge: I've read that rc30 will |
| 06:29.34 | TheSarge | maybe? |
| 06:29.40 | wub_ | I haven't received it yet. |
| 06:29.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | if not wouldn't that be warranted to be pulled? |
| 06:31.06 | romainguy | http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2008/11/07/google-sends-out-android-update-rc30-blocks-jailbreak/ |
| 06:31.08 | wub_ | I'm not terribly interested in hacking the phone but it definitely was useful to set the browser cache... Too bad it's soooo easily undone. |
| 06:31.23 | romainguy | it also fixes a couple of other bugs |
| 06:31.29 | romainguy | but I don't remember which ones |
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| 06:34.52 | ieatlint | i have the distinct feeling that root will not be lost for all |
| 06:35.23 | romainguy | sweet |
| 06:35.31 | romainguy | this update has the new marquee feature I wrote |
| 06:35.52 | wub_ | romainguy: Can you elaborate? :) |
| 06:35.54 | ieatlint | does it scroll text in the notifications bar if it can't fit then? |
| 06:36.07 | romainguy | it scrolls text on the home screen |
| 06:36.10 | romainguy | and in the list of all apps |
| 06:36.17 | romainguy | I don't know if it's been enabled for the notifications |
| 06:36.18 | cbeust | If you install RC30, all your wildest dreams will come true. |
| 06:36.30 | wub_ | lol |
| 06:36.39 | michaelnovakjr__ | i hear there's a cracker jack surprise inside |
| 06:36.55 | swetland | cbeust: we cut the rainbow ponies for everyone feature from rc30. they made the download too big. |
| 06:36.59 | wub_ | The G1 will magically get a flash for the camera and increase the internal memory?! Awesome! |
| 06:37.03 | wub_ | snickers. |
| 06:37.09 | romainguy | yes swetland worked his magic |
| 06:37.42 | cbeust | At least we included the iPhone emulator |
| 06:37.52 | wub_ | swetland: Is there a place to see what is fixed/updated? :) |
| 06:38.06 | ieatlint | is rc30 forced onto the phone, or does it still give the user an option? |
| 06:38.08 | swetland | I'm not sure. there *should* be some kind of public release notes somewhere, but I dunno whee that is |
| 06:38.15 | swetland | s/whee/where/ |
| 06:38.21 | romainguy | that would be on tmobile's site I guess |
| 06:38.23 | wub_ | Yeah, that would be great |
| 06:39.41 | romainguy | wow |
| 06:39.51 | romainguy | tmobile forums about rc30 are... interesting |
| 06:40.03 | romainguy | I also wish people stopped calling this "jailbreaking" |
| 06:40.20 | ieatlint | i was thinking the same thing |
| 06:40.22 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 06:40.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | agreed |
| 06:40.31 | DarkriftX | there is no good term |
| 06:40.36 | DarkriftX | "bug abusing" |
| 06:40.44 | DarkriftX | rooting is wrong but sounds better |
| 06:40.46 | ieatlint | heh, so was jailbreaking |
| 06:42.11 | romainguy | swetland: http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=87&thread.id=14302&page=1 |
| 06:43.09 | ahaberlacho | romainguy: 14. A Pony. |
| 06:43.15 | romainguy | totally :) |
| 06:43.18 | romainguy | I like the part about printers |
| 06:43.21 | swetland | most of his wishlist is doable. some of it is an awful lot of work. much of it would be hell on battery life |
| 06:43.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | so question... is it normal behavior for the apk's to have access to running /system/bin apps such as mkdir and logcat but not get back the outputstream? |
| 06:44.00 | romainguy | I like the first reply :) |
| 06:44.19 | wub_ | lol |
| 06:44.49 | spikebike | romain which particular interesting rc30 threads? |
| 06:44.53 | romainguy | incidentally, that guy filed all these requests as bugs on code.google.com/p/android/issues |
| 06:45.10 | romainguy | spikebike: all of them, people just being grumpy about bugs being fixed |
| 06:45.13 | tmzt | michaelnovakjr__: you can look at the Term source, but I don't know what programs can actually do that |
| 06:45.23 | cbeust | More than a 1000 bookmarks on his phone? This guys should invest in a laptop |
| 06:45.32 | spikebike | heh |
| 06:45.35 | spikebike | dunno |
| 06:45.42 | romainguy | cbeust: well... mouse + keyboard + printer + 1000 bookmarks... sounds like a laptop indeed |
| 06:45.52 | swetland | cbeust: I was shocked to find out we didn't have folders for bookmarks |
| 06:46.03 | spikebike | for $30 I added 8GB of storage to my g1 |
| 06:46.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | i like the auto send pics to an email address |
| 06:46.07 | cbeust | Funny that was exactly the 1st comment |
| 06:46.07 | swetland | having more than a few 10s of bookmarks makes one want to have options to organize 'em |
| 06:46.16 | romainguy | swetland: the best bookmark manager is google.com :)) |
| 06:46.26 | spikebike | heh, yeah I want directories under the application pane |
| 06:46.31 | swetland | yes, yes, and I should just use gmail and search rather than sort |
| 06:46.32 | romainguy | spikebike: no |
| 06:46.33 | swetland | whatever ^^ |
| 06:46.34 | spikebike | even a few screens is a bit much |
| 06:46.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | number 14 should be wire money from other peoples' bank accounts automatically when i visit the ATIM |
| 06:46.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | ATIM |
| 06:46.57 | cbeust | I still use delicious for documents that might turn out difficult to find later |
| 06:46.57 | romainguy | swetland: I was being serious actually, I tried using many bookmarks on the phone and found it faster to just google the name of the websites |
| 06:47.05 | cbeust | but for the most part, I don't use bookmarks at all and I just google stuff |
| 06:47.13 | spikebike | seems pretty eays to have a few dozen applications |
| 06:47.15 | spikebike | easy |
| 06:47.16 | romainguy | spikebike: that said, the next big release will contain a cool feature for home that should solve this issue |
| 06:47.21 | romainguy | I should finish that feature though |
| 06:47.27 | spikebike | not the home screen, just the application pane |
| 06:47.31 | romainguy | spikebike: temporary workaround: open the all apps, type to filter |
| 06:47.34 | spikebike | or whatever it's called, the one you drag out |
| 06:47.45 | romainguy | spikebike: that's part of the home screen |
| 06:48.05 | ahaberlacho | Yeah, I'm either searching for stuff with google, or making my daily round of http://news.google.com, http://finance.google.com, http://goats.com, http://schlockmercenary.com, http://penny-arcade.com, http://yehudamoon.com, http://xkcd.com |
| 06:48.14 | ahaberlacho | So there's my bookmarks. :) |
| 06:48.25 | ahaberlacho | Oh, and http://reader.google.com |
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| 06:58.16 | jsherman | im guessing there's no way to get dalvik's registers through jdwp, right? |
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| 07:15.07 | muthu | infobot: rock radio |
| 07:15.19 | muthu | he |
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| 07:15.55 | muthu | what's a good rock radio to listen online? |
| 07:16.17 | muthu | sat afternoons are booooring :( |
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| 07:17.20 | muthu | infobot: rock |
| 07:17.21 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, rock is an addon framework for World of Warcraft written by ckknight. More information is available at http://wowace.com/wiki/Rock. It is also an object best not thrown in glass houses. what we're all about, it's what we live for, c'mon and shout it out |
| 07:18.17 | cbeust | Nice |
| 07:24.58 | DarkriftX | ?? |
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| 07:38.42 | Gary|tp | Some guy on HoFo is telling me because he can install any OS he wants on a PC, the same concept applies to G1 :/ |
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| 07:39.44 | RyeBrye | has anyone gotten RC30 yet? or the URL for it? |
| 07:40.07 | RyeBrye | This whole root access thing is making me wet my pants. I'm like Peter on Heroes after he gets Sylars ability... I want to lose it! |
| 07:40.32 | spikebike | heh |
| 07:40.42 | RyeBrye | well.. not really :) |
| 07:40.53 | spikebike | I know about 6 local people with g1's |
| 07:40.59 | spikebike | if anyone gets it I'll have them slurp it |
| 07:41.10 | RyeBrye | spikebike - did they all use protection? |
| 07:41.32 | spikebike | no one is pregnant that I know of. |
| 07:42.04 | Gary|tp | RyeBrye: thanks for spoilers :P |
| 07:42.16 | Gary|tp | Also, why would sylars ability be bad when peter can just use any he wants |
| 07:42.37 | DarkriftX | sup RyeBrye |
| 07:42.43 | DarkriftX | if you find it, lemme know so i can upload it |
| 07:43.18 | g1er | what about this... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443440 |
| 07:43.51 | RyeBrye | Gary|tp - He can fix watches faster? |
| 07:44.13 | spikebike | ryebrye do you have any reason to think it wont' ask if you want to update? |
| 07:44.17 | RyeBrye | Gary|tp - but yes - the thing is... They kind of forget that part about Peter when they wrote that episode... I wonder if they even watched the first season of their own show |
| 07:44.26 | g1er | sry ^^ rc30 dl reference on xda |
| 07:44.28 | Gary|tp | haha wow |
| 07:44.41 | Gary|tp | I stopped a couple eps into s2 because it was just getting horrible, with the strike and all |
| 07:45.06 | Gary|tp | is he like |
| 07:45.07 | spikebike | ERROR: certificate common name `*.google.com' doesn't match requested host name `android.clients.google.com |
| 07:45.10 | RyeBrye | Episode 3 is great |
| 07:45.10 | Gary|tp | tempted to cut peoples heads open? |
| 07:45.32 | RyeBrye | Yeah, something about how he has a compulsion to want to figure everything out once he gets the ability |
| 07:45.42 | RyeBrye | err... not episode 3 |
| 07:45.44 | Gary|tp | haha |
| 07:45.50 | Gary|tp | s3? |
| 07:46.03 | RyeBrye | Season 3 - so far it's been really good... probably not quite as good as season 1 - but definitely better than that Season 2 crap |
| 07:46.03 | geist | NOOOOOOO (do not want) |
| 07:47.02 | Gary|tp | Anyway, any good suggestions for a great bluetooth headset? GF has been complaining about her horrible headphones (they hurt her ears >.<) so might get her an early xmas present |
| 07:48.36 | spikebike | ugh, ryebyre |
| 07:48.36 | DarkriftX | RyeBrye, you busy atm? |
| 07:48.46 | spikebike | the new patch includes a new recovery.img |
| 07:48.58 | RyeBrye | Didn't the old one as well? |
| 07:49.13 | RyeBrye | The "applypatch" thing looks new and interesting |
| 07:49.39 | RyeBrye | and like a bit of a black box |
| 07:49.42 | DarkriftX | i made a page on the recovery replacement but since i do not know the process well i didnt want to edit it so i put his whole post in there. was wondering if since yo know the process if you could edit it when you have time |
| 07:49.48 | DarkriftX | and wheres rc30? |
| 07:50.12 | DarkriftX | nvm, found it |
| 07:50.12 | spikebike | see url above |
| 07:50.20 | DarkriftX | putting it on the wiki in a few :) |
| 07:51.05 | languish | <Gary|tp> Anyway, any good suggestions for a great bluetooth headset? <- no such thing yet. Best you can do is get a decent one that works and is comfortable. |
| 07:51.10 | tmzt | why are specific headsets listed in the kernel, anyway? |
| 07:51.37 | Gary|tp | Well, comfortable is #1 followed by quality |
| 07:51.56 | spikebike | hrm RC19 is no longer available from google |
| 07:52.07 | RyeBrye | that doesn't surprise me |
| 07:52.08 | spikebike | https://android.clients.google.com/updates/signed-kila-ota-114235-prereq.TC4-RC19.zip |
| 07:52.12 | languish | Gary|tp, stereo or just an earpiece? |
| 07:52.22 | spikebike | got the google rc29 url handy? |
| 07:52.25 | RyeBrye | Google needs to save hard drive space |
| 07:52.36 | Gary|tp | Trying to find out without giving it away >.> she doesn't really use it for music so earpiece |
| 07:53.37 | RyeBrye | just applied this: http://www.bestskinsever.com/servlet/the-115/T-dsh-Mobile-G1-Skin/Detail to his phone - and recommends it |
| 07:54.02 | cmonex | # delete unneeded files |
| 07:54.02 | cmonex | delete SYSTEM:system/bin/telnetd |
| 07:54.04 | cmonex | argh =P |
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| 07:54.37 | RyeBrye | cmonex - once they have the console=null piece applied, the telnetd would be worthless anyway since there woudl be no way to launch it as root |
| 07:54.38 | Gary|tp | haha |
| 07:54.51 | cmonex | RyeBrye I know.. |
| 07:54.56 | RyeBrye | DarkriftX - I've got to get to bed - but I can edit it in the morning. The stuff on there is correct as it is - but it probably just needs formatting |
| 07:54.57 | cmonex | this is why i was slightly surprised =P |
| 07:55.01 | languish | Gary|tp, this is pretty much your list with the blueand z9 being my choice http://www.digitgeek.com/top-5-bluetooth-headsets/ |
| 07:55.02 | cmonex | but yeah they leave nothing to chance I guess |
| 07:55.21 | Gary|tp | thanks :) |
| 07:55.23 | languish | gar |
| 07:55.26 | spikebike | oh shit |
| 07:55.31 | cmonex | [08:52:25] <RyeBrye> Google needs to save hard drive space ---> was that a joke.. |
| 07:55.34 | spikebike | just realized how the telnet worked |
| 07:55.35 | languish | Gary|tp, make that the z9i, not the z9 |
| 07:55.40 | RyeBrye | cmonex - yes, it was :) |
| 07:55.45 | tmzt | why are specific headsets listed in the kernel, anyway? swetland? |
| 07:55.46 | spikebike | cute |
| 07:55.47 | RyeBrye | spikebike - what is shit? |
| 07:55.47 | cmonex | :D |
| 07:55.53 | RyeBrye | infotbot shit |
| 07:56.02 | cmonex | spikebike it seems they killed rc29 too |
| 07:56.04 | RyeBrye | s/infotbot/infobot/ |
| 07:56.05 | cmonex | very smart =P |
| 07:56.14 | g1er | rc29... http://www.blogsdna.com/1256/how-to-quickly-update-t1-mobile-g1-phone-firmware-manually-rc29.htm |
| 07:56.20 | spikebike | ah, so my wife isn't going to get rc29 8-( |
| 07:56.24 | cmonex | spikebike |
| 07:56.28 | cmonex | i have it backed up |
| 07:56.33 | cmonex | i can upload it if no one else did it.. |
| 07:56.39 | cmonex | oh wait DarkriftX hosts it :) |
| 07:56.47 | DarkriftX | uploaded, just posting it now |
| 07:56.57 | cmonex | xool |
| 07:57.17 | spikebike | does that mean rc30 does't blow away /system? |
| 07:57.39 | spikebike | why remove telnet instead of just not including it? |
| 07:57.40 | RyeBrye | I didn't look, but I would be flabergasted if it didn't |
| 07:57.50 | RyeBrye | but... you have a good point, spikebike |
| 07:57.55 | g1er | although it's named signed-kila-ota-115247-prereq.TC4-RC19+RC28.zip ? = RC29 |
| 07:58.01 | spikebike | cmonex was that a cut/paste from a rc30 script? |
| 07:58.05 | spikebike | the delete telnetd |
| 07:58.34 | RyeBrye | g1er - yes, it's RC29 - the RC19+RC28 goes with the 'prereq' piece - meaning you have to have RC19 or RC28 to apply the RC29 I believe |
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| 07:59.07 | spikebike | so seems plausible that google threw us a bone |
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| 07:59.37 | tmzt | there you go, invoking that again, now someone will have to come along and correct you :) |
| 07:59.38 | spikebike | if you cp sh to spikebikesh and chmod 4755 maybe it would stick around |
| 07:59.41 | cmonex | spikebike: yes. |
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| 08:00.03 | spikebike | it would remove telnet, fix the console, patch a bunch of binaries and be done |
| 08:00.04 | cmonex | the RC30 update is not very large |
| 08:00.09 | cmonex | its a quick patch it seems |
| 08:00.17 | spikebike | even more plausible |
| 08:00.24 | cmonex | its like 4mb zipped.. |
| 08:00.33 | spikebike | hrm |
| 08:00.34 | cmonex | i was surprised to see that but now i know why :) |
| 08:01.11 | tmzt | if the kernel cmdline is in a part of nand that can't be written to from linux (cmonex) how can they correct the console= ? |
| 08:01.25 | DarkriftX | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=OTA_Updates#RC30_Warning.2C_removes_root_bug.21.21 |
| 08:01.29 | cmonex | tmzt: hm? i didnt say that |
| 08:01.35 | cmonex | I only said the SPL wasn't seen by mtd :) |
| 08:01.44 | spikebike | so seems plausible that if you have a suid shell that you might still have it after rc30 |
| 08:01.58 | cmonex | spikebike |
| 08:02.04 | cmonex | easiest is install custom recovery wiht custom cert |
| 08:02.05 | tmzt | I thought you said that before a certain block was protected? |
| 08:02.06 | g1er | ah, thanks RhyBrye. Now i just need to track down 28 :) |
| 08:02.15 | cmonex | put that in rc30 too, of course.. |
| 08:02.21 | cmonex | (or just remove the img file) |
| 08:02.31 | cmonex | then you can always flash your own stuff.. |
| 08:02.35 | cmonex | and experiment freely .) |
| 08:02.50 | DarkriftX | keep in mind, even if you hid a suid sh, how will you start telnetd (if you still had it) |
| 08:02.59 | DarkriftX | the bug that gives you the root console is gone |
| 08:03.09 | spikebike | er |
| 08:03.20 | spikebike | if you have a suid shell you don't need telnet |
| 08:03.28 | DarkriftX | how are you going to get to that shell? |
| 08:03.32 | saurik | what was signed-kila-ota-114235-prereq.TC4-RC19.zip, and does anyone still have a copy of it? |
| 08:03.39 | DarkriftX | i do saurik |
| 08:03.42 | cmonex | saurik it was just RC19 and yes i do or DarkriftX too |
| 08:03.45 | spikebike | pterminal? |
| 08:03.46 | cmonex | he hosts it onlin |
| 08:03.47 | cmonex | e |
| 08:03.51 | Gary|tp | languish: it's fairly comfortable though? |
| 08:03.56 | saurik | can I get it from one of you? |
| 08:04.04 | DarkriftX | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=OTA_Updates |
| 08:04.26 | saurik | thanks! |
| 08:04.29 | DarkriftX | thats the first OTA we know of |
| 08:04.30 | RyeBrye | The update is only 4 megs |
| 08:04.31 | DarkriftX | rc19 |
| 08:04.42 | RyeBrye | so it's pretty clear it doesn't contain a new system.img |
| 08:04.43 | Gary|tp | Looks nice, but can't test it obviously :/ |
| 08:05.10 | spikebike | just a recovery.img |
| 08:05.11 | spikebike | and a boot.img |
| 08:05.16 | RyeBrye | it does replace the boot.img, yeah |
| 08:05.29 | DarkriftX | googles rc29 link still works |
| 08:05.31 | RyeBrye | who knows what the hell is in the new recovery.img - I would hope they keep them in sync with the open source branch |
| 08:05.52 | DarkriftX | someone said it was removed |
| 08:05.59 | RyeBrye | Yeah, I would imagine the goolge RC29 link would have to still wokr - because this 4 meg update looks like it can only apply to RC29? |
| 08:06.09 | cmonex | doesnt seem to be working for me |
| 08:06.35 | cmonex | DarkriftX: i got that other OTA too :) |
| 08:06.37 | cmonex | the bricker one :) |
| 08:06.38 | spikebike | what? |
| 08:06.45 | DarkriftX | nice cmonex care to dcc it? |
| 08:06.54 | cmonex | sure i can upload to my server |
| 08:06.57 | cmonex | then you get it from there |
| 08:06.57 | DarkriftX | k |
| 08:07.01 | cmonex | DCC no go, its not on this pc |
| 08:07.05 | DarkriftX | k |
| 08:07.26 | Gary|tp | languish: reviews say horrible for small ears, and my GF is tiny (like 5 feet lol) |
| 08:08.39 | RyeBrye | How did Jesus Freke on xda get the OTA update URL so fast? |
| 08:08.45 | spikebike | heh |
| 08:08.58 | cmonex | RyeBrye i wonder :P |
| 08:09.01 | spikebike | ryebrye do you have any reason to think that a suid shell won't work inside of whatever terminal? |
| 08:09.06 | DarkriftX | prob ran that anycut trick to ask for it |
| 08:09.10 | cmonex | signed-RC30-from-RC29-fat.1582cace.zip |
| 08:09.13 | cmonex | that name cant be guessed |
| 08:09.16 | cmonex | what anycut? |
| 08:09.31 | spikebike | no, not guessed, but if any of the xda's got an update |
| 08:09.51 | RyeBrye | they changed their naming scheme... - but even if you use the "Checkin" button - it only gives oyu an update if your number is up |
| 08:09.54 | umdk1d3 | hmm does anyone know the exact build number of the new rc30 ota update? |
| 08:10.00 | DarkriftX | anycut makes a shortcut to device info and i guess there is a "cehck for update" button there |
| 08:10.11 | RyeBrye | Yeah, but it only sends you one if you are one of the chosen ones |
| 08:10.17 | DarkriftX | maybe he was |
| 08:10.25 | DarkriftX | ive heard of ppl getting it as early as 15 hours ago |
| 08:10.28 | RyeBrye | it's like your phone is being called up in the rapture or something |
| 08:10.33 | cmonex | RyeBrye what do you mean by "if your number is up"? |
| 08:10.52 | RyeBrye | cmonex - they use some kind of method to divy out who can get it when. I heard it is based on your "android ID" |
| 08:10.58 | DarkriftX | cmonex, you dont get the update till your number (serial??) is chosen |
| 08:11.17 | spikebike | my wife's still on rc19 |
| 08:11.22 | DarkriftX | lol spikebike |
| 08:11.29 | DarkriftX | tell her to box it up for me :) |
| 08:11.34 | RyeBrye | spikebike - your wife is not one of the chosen ones. She is 'left behind' |
| 08:11.34 | spikebike | heh |
| 08:11.35 | g1er | me too |
| 08:11.41 | DarkriftX | i want a root one once i can afford it lol |
| 08:11.57 | RyeBrye | yeah, seriosuly... pull the battery out and put it in a box for 3 months and it will probably double in value :) |
| 08:12.03 | RyeBrye | (well... root it first) |
| 08:12.05 | spikebike | heh |
| 08:12.09 | DarkriftX | is obama gonna do another eco stimulus? |
| 08:12.09 | spikebike | it's rooted of course |
| 08:12.16 | RyeBrye | oh, good |
| 08:12.30 | oyeoj | well shit |
| 08:12.30 | spikebike | and my guess is that the suid shell will survive rc30 |
| 08:12.31 | languish | DarkriftX, he's gonna try to |
| 08:12.35 | oyeoj | im getting android rc30 |
| 08:12.36 | oyeoj | right now |
| 08:12.37 | DarkriftX | nice |
| 08:12.47 | RyeBrye | So are we going to get free money every year? |
| 08:12.51 | DarkriftX | ill get a g1 if he does AND if its still rootable soemhow |
| 08:12.53 | RyeBrye | That stimulates me :) |
| 08:13.01 | spikebike | oyeoj are you going to apply? |
| 08:13.06 | spikebike | do you have root now? |
| 08:13.12 | oyeoj | spikebike: i am applying right now |
| 08:13.13 | spikebike | did you create a suid shell? |
| 08:13.16 | DarkriftX | languish, how do you like the wiki? |
| 08:13.19 | oyeoj | nah i didnt |
| 08:13.21 | RyeBrye | oyeoj - umm... are you planning to keep root? |
| 08:13.21 | spikebike | doh |
| 08:13.24 | languish | depends on if the bush admin cocoperates this year, and if the current congress approves it |
| 08:13.24 | spikebike | can you abort? |
| 08:13.35 | spikebike | delay |
| 08:13.40 | spikebike | reobot |
| 08:13.40 | *** join/#android SR71-Blackbird (n=nirvana@unaffiliated/sr71-blackbird) |
| 08:13.44 | oyeoj | there will be a new rootshell later, im not really concerned |
| 08:13.50 | DarkriftX | i am :( |
| 08:13.52 | spikebike | I'm very curious if you can keep it |
| 08:13.55 | languish | DarkriftX, it makes my cockles tighten with joy |
| 08:13.57 | DarkriftX | google is smarter then apple :( |
| 08:14.05 | languish | :| |
| 08:14.09 | DarkriftX | was that sarcasm? |
| 08:14.09 | spikebike | just cat sh > foosh |
| 08:14.13 | spikebike | chmod 4755 foosh |
| 08:14.40 | Adamant | RyeBrye: free money isn't free, there's a hefty f*'in fee |
| 08:14.55 | spikebike | if not can the next person who gets RC30 please put a suid shell on first |
| 08:15.14 | spikebike | it looks like the console bug and telnetd will be replaced |
| 08:15.18 | spikebike | or fixed |
| 08:15.27 | spikebike | but not a format of /system |
| 08:15.29 | oyeoj | too late. kila-user 1.0 tc4-rc30 116143 ota-rel-keys, release keys |
| 08:15.30 | languish | DarkriftX, no it was just in poor taste |
| 08:15.30 | RyeBrye | what does the "applypatch" piece do? |
| 08:15.38 | spikebike | doh |
| 08:15.41 | DarkriftX | what was? |
| 08:15.44 | languish | DarkriftX, expect more of the same |
| 08:15.46 | languish | :D |
| 08:15.48 | RyeBrye | thinks he just heard oyeoj's phone cry |
| 08:16.04 | oyeoj | lets see if return reboot return works |
| 08:16.08 | languish | DarkriftX, my quip |
| 08:16.14 | DarkriftX | oh, lol |
| 08:16.15 | languish | the wiki's just fine |
| 08:16.18 | DarkriftX | i was confused |
| 08:16.19 | languish | :) |
| 08:16.28 | DarkriftX | was about to search it for porn or something |
| 08:16.29 | spikebike | oh shit I'm getting RC30 now as well |
| 08:16.35 | spikebike | dare I gample |
| 08:16.36 | DarkriftX | reboot!!!! |
| 08:16.40 | g1er | lol |
| 08:16.43 | DarkriftX | throw the phone!! |
| 08:16.45 | RyeBrye | No, don't gamble |
| 08:16.47 | DarkriftX | stomp on it! |
| 08:16.58 | DarkriftX | dont let them take root away! |
| 08:17.06 | RyeBrye | just let it sit there downloading a 4 meg file all night |
| 08:17.08 | spikebike | seems like the rootshell will stay |
| 08:17.09 | DarkriftX | if you cant have it, nobody can! |
| 08:17.13 | oyeoj | looks like they fixed the problem at least |
| 08:17.40 | languish | will the rootshell stay, after you install rc30, and master reset? |
| 08:18.01 | RyeBrye | spikebike - only do it if you replace your recovery.img, and put back in your replaced one in there - and re-sign it so you know you can recover from it if it does remove it |
| 08:18.33 | RyeBrye | to do anything else would be like playing russian roulette... (if, of course, the only consequence of losing at russian roulette was an electronic device you had became less cool) |
| 08:18.34 | umdk1d3 | takes the update plunge |
| 08:18.54 | spikebike | umdk1d3: please wait |
| 08:19.00 | spikebike | suid shell first? |
| 08:19.02 | umdk1d3 | too late ;) |
| 08:19.05 | spikebike | ARGH |
| 08:19.13 | umdk1d3 | watches it unpack |
| 08:19.19 | RyeBrye | ? |
| 08:19.26 | oyeoj | so pretty when it unpacks |
| 08:19.27 | spikebike | next person PLEASE install a suid shell before you update |
| 08:19.42 | g1er | is there a suid shell for dummies wiki? |
| 08:19.48 | spikebike | I'll take you through it |
| 08:19.58 | g1er | still on RC19... |
| 08:20.03 | spikebike | sure |
| 08:20.10 | spikebike | install pterminal |
| 08:20.11 | RyeBrye | Hey |
| 08:20.12 | RyeBrye | wow |
| 08:20.17 | RyeBrye | they ARE pushing this bitch out fast |
| 08:20.23 | g1er | got it already.. |
| 08:20.24 | RyeBrye | I haev a failed update sitting in my thing |
| 08:20.25 | umdk1d3 | interesting, this one appears to have a radio image as well |
| 08:20.27 | spikebike | got root? |
| 08:20.36 | RyeBrye | but it's not cycling |
| 08:20.36 | g1er | um..doubt it.. |
| 08:20.46 | spikebike | ok, run pterminal |
| 08:20.46 | g1er | <<linux dummy |
| 08:21.02 | g1er | k |
| 08:21.15 | spikebike | run /system/bin/telnetd |
| 08:21.26 | RyeBrye | spikebike - even easier... reboot the phone |
| 08:21.34 | RyeBrye | and then type "telnetd" anywhere - in notepad even |
| 08:21.50 | RyeBrye | the pterminal is a placebo - pterminal isn't lauching telnetd |
| 08:22.04 | spikebike | er rye yeah but I need it later |
| 08:22.08 | umdk1d3 | agreed, nothing special about pterminal |
| 08:22.20 | umdk1d3 | might want to look at the official terminal app that helloandroid uploaded to market |
| 08:22.26 | g1er | um ok.. android:? |
| 08:22.31 | g1er | um ok.. android:/? |
| 08:22.34 | spikebike | cd /system/bin |
| 08:22.46 | spikebike | oops |
| 08:22.57 | spikebike | do you know your phones IP address? |
| 08:23.01 | spikebike | preferably over wifi |
| 08:23.12 | g1er | no.. is connected via wi-fi tho |
| 08:23.23 | spikebike | type er I think it's netcat |
| 08:23.31 | spikebike | er netstat |
| 08:23.47 | g1er | got it |
| 08:23.54 | g1er | local of foreign |
| 08:24.15 | spikebike | local |
| 08:24.24 | spikebike | now from your desktop telnet that address |
| 08:24.34 | g1er | oh wait, wi-fi was off |
| 08:24.46 | spikebike | k |
| 08:25.11 | g1er | ok, that looks more familliar |
| 08:25.31 | spikebike | heh |
| 08:25.34 | spikebike | so telnet |
| 08:25.52 | g1er | again, noob.. telnet? |
| 08:26.05 | spikebike | er what os are you sitting at? |
| 08:26.15 | g1er | xp :/ |
| 08:26.31 | spikebike | open er, run: and then say cmd.exe or something |
| 08:26.38 | g1er | already there |
| 08:26.40 | g1er | :) |
| 08:26.51 | spikebike | try telnet <address under local in netstat> |
| 08:27.02 | RyeBrye | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Preventing_OTA_Updates here's all the proof you need that otacerts.zip will cause OTA updates to not work |
| 08:27.11 | RyeBrye | Oh, and on RC29 it doesn't start downloading it again |
| 08:27.19 | spikebike | ah interesting |
| 08:27.19 | g1er | do i need the port info too? |
| 08:27.23 | spikebike | nope |
| 08:27.32 | spikebike | telnet 10.10.1.12 |
| 08:27.33 | spikebike | or whatever |
| 08:28.15 | g1er | hmm, could not open conn......port 23..conn failed |
| 08:28.30 | spikebike | in pterminal run ps |
| 08:28.31 | *** join/#android Jeffkyjin__ (n=Jeffkyji@host-177-100.cs.hku.hk) |
| 08:28.59 | RyeBrye | ok. I'm going to bed |
| 08:29.25 | g1er | same error 'run ps' or is this short for something? |
| 08:29.32 | spikebike | type ps |
| 08:29.37 | spikebike | in pterminal |
| 08:30.00 | g1er | ok, got alot of info |
| 08:30.13 | g1er | still no connection |
| 08:30.25 | spikebike | towards the bottom does it mention telnetd |
| 08:30.55 | g1er | nope, might have lost it when turning wi-fi on? |
| 08:31.10 | spikebike | possible |
| 08:31.23 | spikebike | type /system/bin/telnetd |
| 08:31.34 | spikebike | (not the "type " |
| 08:31.35 | spikebike | ) |
| 08:31.42 | RyeBrye | no |
| 08:31.54 | spikebike | no? |
| 08:31.55 | RyeBrye | spikebike - are you sure that /system/bin/telnetd works? I'm pretty sure the / isn't mapped to the root shell |
| 08:32.05 | RyeBrye | cd system |
| 08:32.07 | RyeBrye | cd bin |
| 08:32.10 | RyeBrye | telnetd would do it |
| 08:32.18 | RyeBrye | but the alt key doesn't translate to the root shell |
| 08:32.35 | spikebike | oh umm, I was using ioerror's nmotes |
| 08:32.39 | g1er | bingo! |
| 08:32.40 | spikebike | I'll check |
| 08:32.46 | spikebike | ah you telnet'd in? |
| 08:32.47 | RyeBrye | oh, well - maybe it did work that time |
| 08:32.51 | g1er | had to cd |
| 08:32.55 | spikebike | cool |
| 08:32.57 | spikebike | so now telnet in |
| 08:33.10 | g1er | in looking at # |
| 08:33.12 | umdk1d3 | ooh sexy scrolling names on long desktop shortcuts now |
| 08:33.18 | RyeBrye | if you see # youa re root |
| 08:33.23 | RyeBrye | if you see $ you are not |
| 08:33.46 | spikebike | sweet |
| 08:33.47 | g1er | # :) yay! I got to see root..lol |
| 08:33.48 | spikebike | you have root |
| 08:33.48 | DarkriftX | is that all umdk1d3? |
| 08:33.51 | DarkriftX | just on shortcut names? |
| 08:33.55 | spikebike | now cd /system/bin |
| 08:33.59 | spikebike | ls -l sh |
| 08:33.59 | RyeBrye | g1er - this is a milestone on the path to geekdom |
| 08:34.05 | DarkriftX | i thought he meant something like a ticker on yoru homepage :S |
| 08:34.14 | spikebike | becareful you could cause damage |
| 08:34.20 | g1er | ha! spikebot on the pc |
| 08:34.21 | DarkriftX | your first root!!!! congrats lol |
| 08:34.23 | spikebike | don't type any rm -r / ;-) |
| 08:34.35 | DarkriftX | rm = dead kittens |
| 08:34.35 | g1er | ? |
| 08:34.40 | DarkriftX | rm = remove |
| 08:34.44 | spikebike | rm -r = delete everything |
| 08:34.47 | DarkriftX | -r means in every folder |
| 08:34.50 | umdk1d3 | DarkriftX: it appears to also help with long app names in the normal tray |
| 08:34.54 | DarkriftX | -r means yes, im fucking sure, stop bugging me |
| 08:34.56 | spikebike | so ls -l sh |
| 08:34.57 | DarkriftX | erm |
| 08:35.03 | DarkriftX | -f means yes im sure |
| 08:35.22 | RyeBrye | I'm curious though... if rc30 isn't a full update how to restore if you screw things up in rc30 - unless you can manually flash back to rc29 |
| 08:35.38 | RyeBrye | although... I suppose the theory is 'things can't get really screwed up in rc30' |
| 08:35.48 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 08:36.02 | DarkriftX | g1er, i really hope you didnt type anything with rm in it |
| 08:36.02 | g1er | spikebot, on the pc 'cd system/bin ls -1 sh' ? |
| 08:36.07 | DarkriftX | ok, whew |
| 08:36.08 | g1er | nah |
| 08:36.17 | spikebike | cd system/bin |
| 08:36.18 | DarkriftX | was scared we confused you for a min |
| 08:36.20 | spikebike | then ls -l sh |
| 08:37.13 | g1er | um.. cd: cannot cd to system |
| 08:37.18 | g1er | # # |
| 08:37.19 | DarkriftX | add / in front |
| 08:37.23 | g1er | oh |
| 08:37.28 | umdk1d3 | hmm is there a good way of dumping the extras from an intent listed in logcat? |
| 08:37.28 | DarkriftX | cd /system/bin |
| 08:37.43 | umdk1d3 | right now it only says '(has extras)' |
| 08:37.52 | g1er | do i need to worry about the # # |
| 08:37.54 | cmonex | so, jus to be sure, what are the permissions/suid on flash_image? |
| 08:37.54 | DarkriftX | no |
| 08:38.42 | RyeBrye | chmod -R 4777 /system/bin ;) |
| 08:38.58 | g1er | -rwxr.........shell....00:13 sh |
| 08:38.59 | RyeBrye | although I doubt toolbox or whatever has -R for chmod |
| 08:39.25 | RyeBrye | infobot: bedtime |
| 08:39.26 | infobot | i guess bedtime is set to be 8:39:26 ryebrye so get to bed! |
| 08:39.36 | ionstorm | I just got a update notification, and pressed update later, how do I bring it back up to update |
| 08:40.42 | RyeBrye | infobot: bedtime story |
| 08:41.02 | RyeBrye | infobot: suicide |
| 08:41.03 | infobot | ACTION kills herself Juliet style, after seeing ryebrye commit suicide |
| 08:41.30 | spikebike | er |
| 08:41.37 | spikebike | g1 cat sh > foosh |
| 08:41.43 | spikebike | then chmod 4777 foosh |
| 08:41.49 | spikebike | then ls -l foosh to check |
| 08:42.18 | g1er | cannot create foosh |
| 08:42.31 | g1er | read-only |
| 08:42.34 | RyeBrye | mount -o remount, rw /system or whatever |
| 08:42.50 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 08:42.54 | DarkriftX | ignore RyeBrye for now |
| 08:42.59 | DarkriftX | the "or whatever" would be bad |
| 08:43.06 | *** join/#android anno^da_ (n=anno^da@p5B07C265.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:43.22 | DarkriftX | holy shit |
| 08:43.24 | RyeBrye | ? |
| 08:43.34 | DarkriftX | im getting flooded with visits |
| 08:43.37 | DarkriftX | news spreads fast |
| 08:43.46 | RyeBrye | which - android-dls? |
| 08:43.47 | DarkriftX | someone is already linking to the wiki posts lol |
| 08:43.48 | DarkriftX | yes |
| 08:45.00 | RyeBrye | which pages are most popular? |
| 08:45.18 | RyeBrye | In a digg article I linked to it in a comment |
| 08:45.57 | ionstorm | anyone figure out the RC30 fix |
| 08:46.09 | ionstorm | to keep r00t |
| 08:46.15 | g1er | was I supposed to be typing this all on my G1, I'm currently doing it on the pc? |
| 08:46.20 | RyeBrye | spikebike is working on it |
| 08:46.25 | RyeBrye | g1er - no, on the PC |
| 08:46.27 | g1er | k |
| 08:46.35 | g1er | just double checking |
| 08:46.43 | RyeBrye | did spikebike die? |
| 08:46.45 | spikebike | ionstorm I suspect just a suid shell is enough |
| 08:47.02 | g1er | anything i can do on this end to help? |
| 08:47.02 | RyeBrye | g1er is stuck :) he needs the remount command to proceed and set up the suid shell |
| 08:47.06 | ionstorm | does it rewrite /system ? |
| 08:47.08 | cmonex | so RyeBrye .. i really wanted to know :P |
| 08:47.22 | spikebike | ionstorm it's not big enough |
| 08:47.36 | RyeBrye | it's only 4 megs - but it does pack in a new recovery image, curiously enough |
| 08:47.54 | ionstorm | hmm |
| 08:48.17 | ionstorm | when u get an ota update notification does that mean it already downloaded to update.zip |
| 08:48.23 | RyeBrye | I believe so |
| 08:48.26 | saurik | if someone actually is stuck on that: mount -o remount,rw /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system |
| 08:48.36 | DarkriftX | g1er, gimme a sec, ill paste commands |
| 08:48.39 | DarkriftX | or there you go |
| 08:48.42 | RyeBrye | g1er: mount -o remount,rw /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system |
| 08:48.48 | g1er | got it :) |
| 08:48.55 | DarkriftX | then to the cat line again |
| 08:48.58 | RyeBrye | cat sh > foosh |
| 08:49.05 | RyeBrye | chmod 4777 foosh |
| 08:49.06 | DarkriftX | s/to/do/ |
| 08:49.24 | RyeBrye | infobot: suicide |
| 08:49.25 | infobot | ACTION kills herself Juliet style, after seeing ryebrye commit suicide |
| 08:49.36 | RyeBrye | infobot: sleep |
| 08:49.36 | infobot | methinks sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
| 08:49.39 | DarkriftX | infobot: be perverted |
| 08:49.47 | DarkriftX | darn |
| 08:49.52 | RyeBrye | infobot: dirty words |
| 08:49.54 | DarkriftX | was hoping for some fun tonight :( |
| 08:50.06 | DarkriftX | infobot, your momma |
| 08:50.07 | infobot | [your momma] so fat that when she went missing she was on four sides of the milk jug |
| 08:50.13 | DarkriftX | lol! it worked |
| 08:50.27 | RyeBrye | infobot, thanks |
| 08:50.27 | infobot | RyeBrye: de rien |
| 08:50.36 | umdk1d3 | doesnt a milk jug have at least 5 sides, and possibly six or seven? |
| 08:50.36 | cmonex | RyeBrye got an idea, see PM |
| 08:51.01 | DarkriftX | they are faces, but not sides |
| 08:51.03 | muthu | infobot: root |
| 08:51.03 | infobot | somebody said root was not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. |
| 08:51.16 | DarkriftX | infobot kick |
| 08:51.18 | spikebike | oh g1 still there? |
| 08:51.23 | umdk1d3 | infobot: stfu |
| 08:51.24 | infobot | :( |
| 08:51.25 | spikebike | sorry missed the part about the mount |
| 08:51.27 | umdk1d3 | rooofl |
| 08:51.38 | muthu | infobot: rofl |
| 08:51.39 | infobot | well, rofl is rolling on the floor laughing |
| 08:51.50 | DarkriftX | infobot rc30 |
| 08:51.54 | g1er | hmm is there a space between rw and /dev |
| 08:51.58 | DarkriftX | yes |
| 08:51.59 | spikebike | yes |
| 08:52.02 | g1er | ah |
| 08:52.10 | RyeBrye | g1er - can you not copy and paste these lines? |
| 08:52.13 | spikebike | er /dev? |
| 08:52.18 | spikebike | oh it's easier if you um |
| 08:52.25 | DarkriftX | copy/paste is much safer lol |
| 08:52.30 | *** join/#android lethalcode (n=walker@pennmush.org) |
| 08:52.38 | spikebike | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.41 | spikebike | should work |
| 08:52.47 | lethalcode | Stick a comma between remount,rw |
| 08:52.53 | g1er | lol |
| 08:53.10 | spikebike | er no , |
| 08:53.13 | DarkriftX | did you do the remount? |
| 08:53.29 | g1er | idk, i had the comma in there |
| 08:53.30 | RyeBrye | it works without the comma to just do rw on it |
| 08:53.36 | RyeBrye | g1er - type 'mount' |
| 08:53.48 | RyeBrye | does it say "rw" next to the line with "system" or does it say "ro" ? |
| 08:53.52 | *** join/#android Hai-Fai (n=jarmo@hoasnet-fe35dd00-42.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 08:54.07 | lethalcode | Not having a comma would attempt to mount a device named 'rw' on /system. |
| 08:54.09 | g1er | rw |
| 08:54.19 | DarkriftX | if this works, we need a new wiki page :) |
| 08:54.32 | DarkriftX | how to prevent root theft from googles rc30 |
| 08:54.33 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 08:55.04 | spikebike | cool |
| 08:55.08 | g1er | rootfs is the only ro |
| 08:55.14 | spikebike | g1 now cd /system/bin |
| 08:55.18 | spikebike | cat sh > foosh |
| 08:55.22 | RyeBrye | DarkriftX - but by then... it might be too late :) |
| 08:55.27 | lethalcode | Hm. Guess remount on android != remount on linux. |
| 08:55.29 | spikebike | chmod 4777 foosh |
| 08:55.35 | spikebike | lethal ya |
| 08:56.03 | DarkriftX | lethalcode, toolbox is odd |
| 08:56.03 | RyeBrye | lethal - yeah, remount on android is odd |
| 08:56.04 | g1er | k, how to check |
| 08:56.09 | lethalcode | But a comma still works, in any case, and won't bite you if you do try it. |
| 08:56.12 | DarkriftX | most of the commands are not standard |
| 08:56.28 | *** join/#android mokolade (n=mokolade@85.221.112.173) |
| 08:56.31 | DarkriftX | mount -a does not work (well, there isnt fstab on there so i guess it shouldnt) |
| 08:56.34 | spikebike | ls -l foosh |
| 08:56.53 | lethalcode | DarkriftX: Yeah, I tried mount -n -o remount,rw /system at first, didn't work too well because of that -n. :D. |
| 08:57.28 | g1er | -rwsrwxrwx root root ........foosh |
| 08:57.33 | DarkriftX | nice |
| 08:57.39 | DarkriftX | worked |
| 08:57.45 | g1er | :) |
| 08:57.52 | DarkriftX | you should make an extra copy or 5 |
| 08:57.53 | *** join/#android FuSiON2 (n=stefan@ip-90-187-16-54.web.vodafone.de) |
| 08:57.54 | DarkriftX | just incase |
| 08:58.06 | spikebike | heh 1 should be neough |
| 08:58.13 | spikebike | if 1 does't work 100 isn't likely to either |
| 08:58.14 | DarkriftX | do you know what all gets removed? |
| 08:58.15 | lethalcode | recommends 4755, btw. |
| 08:58.22 | DarkriftX | i mean in different locations |
| 08:58.28 | spikebike | ditto |
| 08:58.36 | spikebike | only /system is suid |
| 08:58.50 | spikebike | I guess they could be silly enough to look in /system/bin and not /system/etc or something |
| 08:59.00 | spikebike | now if only g1er updated to rc30 |
| 08:59.05 | DarkriftX | i thought there was another spot to run apps as suid |
| 08:59.11 | DarkriftX | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.24 | g1er | so... is that step two ;) |
| 08:59.43 | g1er | guess i'm gonna need 29 first tho.. |
| 08:59.49 | spikebike | heh, well if you want to manually update to rc29 you could |
| 08:59.54 | DarkriftX | thats easy to do g1er |
| 09:00.01 | spikebike | and even rc30 |
| 09:00.01 | DarkriftX | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=OTA_Updates |
| 09:00.03 | DarkriftX | dowload it there |
| 09:00.09 | spikebike | rc29 is 45mb or so |
| 09:00.11 | RyeBrye | g1er - if you update to 29, you'll have to redo this all |
| 09:00.13 | RyeBrye | just fyi |
| 09:00.21 | spikebike | ya, but it's much easier the second time |
| 09:00.25 | DarkriftX | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Forcing_OTA_Updates |
| 09:00.29 | DarkriftX | use that one to install it |
| 09:00.49 | g1er | I don't mind, anything to help the cause, since i doubt I'll do uch of the dev work :) |
| 09:00.59 | RyeBrye | holy shit the weather channel app I think asks for every permission in the book |
| 09:00.59 | DarkriftX | i hear you g1er |
| 09:01.07 | spikebike | g1er I'd LOVE to know if root on rc29 transfers to rc30 |
| 09:01.20 | spikebike | my best guess is that it will |
| 09:01.38 | DarkriftX | g1er, if it works, you will make thousands of happy people, if it doesnt, we all find you and kill you (we just added a backdoor to track you via gps) |
| 09:01.45 | DarkriftX | hides |
| 09:01.47 | spikebike | heh |
| 09:01.49 | g1er | LOL |
| 09:02.03 | g1er | give me a few minutes, workin on it. |
| 09:02.06 | spikebike | cool |
| 09:02.08 | RyeBrye | night all |
| 09:02.11 | DarkriftX | gn RyeBrye |
| 09:02.12 | spikebike | nite rye |
| 09:04.21 | lethalcode | Erm. Does android not include java.util.regex? |
| 09:04.51 | gdsx | DarkriftX: I think "thousands" might be a bit of an overestimate |
| 09:05.10 | DarkriftX | i think underestimate |
| 09:05.11 | ionstorm | my fuqn gps is on for no reason |
| 09:05.13 | ionstorm | wtf |
| 09:05.16 | ionstorm | f3dz |
| 09:05.21 | ionstorm | hrm |
| 09:05.23 | DarkriftX | thousands this week, hundreds of thousands in 6 months |
| 09:05.25 | ionstorm | seriously |
| 09:05.46 | gdsx | DarkriftX: what will the average person want root on a phone? |
| 09:05.51 | gdsx | s#what#why# |
| 09:06.00 | DarkriftX | when i got hit by slashdot for this story, i had 24k hits from that story alone |
| 09:06.19 | DarkriftX | 1100 of them downloaded the files in the post on how to get root |
| 09:06.20 | gdsx | DarkriftX: that's the slashdot effect |
| 09:06.35 | DarkriftX | i know |
| 09:07.02 | DarkriftX | 24k ppl that read slashdot, 1.1k of them downloaded the stuff needed from ME (who knows about other sites) |
| 09:07.11 | gdsx | DarkriftX: regardless, why would the average person want root on a phone? |
| 09:07.12 | DarkriftX | im sure that ratio tells something |
| 09:07.16 | DarkriftX | to have it? |
| 09:07.23 | spikebike | gdsx tethering, backups, vpn |
| 09:07.26 | DarkriftX | average persons wont use it, but will try it out to tell friends |
| 09:07.45 | DarkriftX | "i rooted my g1" and when asked what that means "i dunno, i unlocked it somehow" |
| 09:07.51 | DarkriftX | but i see your point |
| 09:07.51 | g1er | um, just to clarify. use home+power 'to' reboot, or turn the phone on after power off using home+power? is there a timeframe for me to push alt+s? don't want to mess this up..lol |
| 09:08.01 | DarkriftX | the happy ones will be the ones who DO know what they did |
| 09:08.12 | lethalcode | included. |
| 09:08.23 | DarkriftX | g1er, you will see a screen with a triangle |
| 09:08.37 | DarkriftX | you have to hold home till you get there i think |
| 09:08.41 | lethalcode | Although all I've used it for is 2 things. |
| 09:08.44 | DarkriftX | hold home, press power, keep holding home |
| 09:08.54 | DarkriftX | lethalcode, its still new though |
| 09:08.58 | DarkriftX | not much figured out about it yet |
| 09:09.11 | gdsx | DarkriftX: I think you just have to have home down when it starts |
| 09:09.27 | g1er | ok, will try that |
| 09:09.35 | lethalcode | 1) reboot. 2) tweaking my app's files (/data/data/com.foo.blah/files/foo) as I change my app's format. |
| 09:09.45 | ionstorm | whats the reboot hotkey |
| 09:10.07 | gdsx | ionstorm: green+menu+red |
| 09:10.17 | gdsx | doesn't work while the phone is booting, though |
| 09:10.49 | ionstorm | word |
| 09:11.20 | gdsx | DarkriftX: the big problem with people having root on their phones is that they can be social-engineered into doing things that are very bad for them |
| 09:11.35 | g1er | weird, got the exclamation, alt+s, get a 'status bar' for a milisecond.. |
| 09:11.44 | gdsx | g1er: first off, to alt+l |
| 09:11.53 | gdsx | it should give you a list of options |
| 09:11.54 | g1er | k |
| 09:12.13 | gdsx | s#to#do# |
| 09:13.04 | g1er | can't mount /dev/block/mmcblkop1 (no such file or directory) e:can't mount SDCARD:update.zip |
| 09:13.39 | DarkriftX | i understand gdsx, which is why i think it shouldnt be easy to get, but still accessible |
| 09:13.50 | g1er | just place update.zip in the root of the SD right |
| 09:13.55 | DarkriftX | correct |
| 09:14.02 | DarkriftX | oh crap |
| 09:14.03 | g1er | hmm |
| 09:14.06 | DarkriftX | factory card? |
| 09:14.09 | g1er | ut oh, ya |
| 09:14.15 | DarkriftX | do you have any other cards? |
| 09:14.21 | g1er | certianly |
| 09:14.26 | DarkriftX | cool |
| 09:14.33 | DarkriftX | if not it would take special reformatting |
| 09:14.44 | DarkriftX | bug in how certain cards were formatted during shipment |
| 09:14.52 | g1er | out of my wing ok? |
| 09:14.56 | DarkriftX | s/during/before/ |
| 09:14.58 | DarkriftX | sure |
| 09:15.10 | DarkriftX | i love you infobot |
| 09:15.56 | lethalcode | I don't suppose there's any way I can force my device to update to RC30? |
| 09:16.01 | DarkriftX | there is |
| 09:16.11 | ionstorm | update.zip to your sd |
| 09:16.25 | DarkriftX | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=OTA_Updates to download, and http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Forcing_OTA_Updates to install it |
| 09:16.38 | ionstorm | who all installed it |
| 09:16.39 | spikebike | lethal if you do please install a suid shell first |
| 09:16.42 | ionstorm | su remained? |
| 09:16.48 | lethalcode | spikebike: Already done, I'll report afterwards if it works. |
| 09:16.51 | spikebike | my theory is that it will stay |
| 09:16.53 | DarkriftX | checking still ionstorm |
| 09:16.54 | lethalcode | I currently have RC19. |
| 09:16.55 | spikebike | awesome |
| 09:17.01 | DarkriftX | lethalcode, you need rc29 first |
| 09:17.03 | DarkriftX | then rc30 |
| 09:17.03 | spikebike | lathcode that would make my day |
| 09:17.03 | ionstorm | i'll w8 |
| 09:17.14 | lethalcode | DarkriftX: Can't go it in one jump? |
| 09:17.16 | spikebike | lethalcode rather |
| 09:17.17 | DarkriftX | nope |
| 09:17.19 | g1er | k good now |
| 09:17.21 | ionstorm | any fixes with rc30 other than the telnetd fix0r |
| 09:17.22 | DarkriftX | the rc30 is a quick patch |
| 09:17.26 | spikebike | nope the rc30 is way smaller than the rc29 |
| 09:17.26 | g1er | verifying |
| 09:17.33 | DarkriftX | they might release a 19-30 soon, but not yet |
| 09:17.35 | lethalcode | So do I need to do it step by step? |
| 09:17.37 | lethalcode | Ah, gotcha. |
| 09:17.42 | lethalcode | browses to above linked urls. |
| 09:17.42 | ionstorm | 4 meg gotta be more than just telnetd fix |
| 09:17.55 | spikebike | ionstorm yeah there's a bunch of patches |
| 09:17.58 | spikebike | deletes telnet |
| 09:18.05 | spikebike | fixes the everything you type goes to the consoel thing |
| 09:18.10 | spikebike | has a radio fix |
| 09:18.14 | ionstorm | spikebike, where do u find the changelog |
| 09:18.18 | spikebike | nfi |
| 09:18.26 | ionstorm | nfi? |
| 09:18.27 | spikebike | I just unzipped it and proded around |
| 09:18.31 | ionstorm | ah |
| 09:18.32 | ionstorm | word |
| 09:18.57 | lethalcode | makes 3 copies of the suid sh. |
| 09:19.07 | lethalcode | (Hey, there's a reason I'm called lethal code.) |
| 09:19.25 | spikebike | lethal put at least one in /system |
| 09:19.28 | spikebike | but outside /system/bin |
| 09:20.31 | spikebike | and at least one in /system/bin |
| 09:20.43 | DarkriftX | where are all the bin folders at? |
| 09:20.46 | DarkriftX | ooh, try sbin |
| 09:20.57 | lethalcode | spikebike: Done. /system, /system/bin, /system/etc |
| 09:21.07 | spikebike | sweet |
| 09:21.20 | spikebike | all 4755 ? |
| 09:21.37 | DarkriftX | try /data/property lol |
| 09:22.15 | DarkriftX | and /system/xbin |
| 09:22.30 | g1er | O.O scared me..little curved arrow pointing at a chip..then reboot..then another icon..another reboot..looks all good now tho :) RC29 |
| 09:22.31 | spikebike | oh lethal |
| 09:22.36 | spikebike | not necessary for rc19 |
| 09:22.44 | spikebike | rc29 has the same hole and will reformat /system |
| 09:22.55 | spikebike | its the rc29 -> rc30 that you need to be careful |
| 09:22.57 | DarkriftX | i think i love google |
| 09:23.04 | DarkriftX | they made it so we could save root! |
| 09:23.04 | g1er | now back through the telnetd steps right |
| 09:23.14 | DarkriftX | yes g1er |
| 09:23.21 | DarkriftX | type in telnetd |
| 09:23.24 | DarkriftX | hit enter |
| 09:23.29 | lethalcode | Rebooting into boot mode, now. |
| 09:23.40 | g1er | ah, someones already on it? |
| 09:23.56 | DarkriftX | hes trying different stuff too |
| 09:24.07 | spikebike | the more the merrier |
| 09:24.17 | DarkriftX | lab tests always try more than once :P |
| 09:24.24 | lethalcode | spikebike: Ah, okay, if it reformats /system. |
| 09:24.32 | spikebike | yes, rc29 formats /system |
| 09:24.41 | spikebike | but rc30 does not, so there is hope |
| 09:24.46 | spikebike | I think someone at google loves us |
| 09:24.54 | spikebike | sure tmo we will fix the telnet bug |
| 09:25.01 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 09:25.10 | spikebike | but oops, we didn't disable root for anyone that had it |
| 09:27.11 | spikebike | so goes the theory anyways |
| 09:28.07 | tmzt | spikebike: so there is a new radio.img? does it change cmdline? |
| 09:28.22 | lethalcode | If RC29 reformats /system, what's stopping folks from jumping from RC30 back down to 29, rooting it, then jumping back up to 30? |
| 09:28.36 | tmzt | version check? |
| 09:28.40 | DarkriftX | yeah |
| 09:28.43 | DarkriftX | cant downgrade |
| 09:28.47 | lethalcode | Nuts to that. |
| 09:28.54 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 09:29.05 | DarkriftX | unless you have the hacked recovery |
| 09:29.07 | lethalcode | Okay, flashing with 29 now. |
| 09:29.45 | lethalcode | Aand, done. Rooting. |
| 09:29.45 | spikebike | do we know you can't downgrade? |
| 09:29.48 | spikebike | or is that a theory |
| 09:29.54 | DarkriftX | been tested |
| 09:29.56 | spikebike | lethal so at least one 4755 shell? |
| 09:29.58 | cmonex | languish you there? |
| 09:30.03 | spikebike | dark doh |
| 09:30.05 | DarkriftX | the first line of the script checks version |
| 09:30.12 | cmonex | spikebike: update script tells you that and it is singed |
| 09:30.13 | lethalcode | spikebike: Testing, then will remake if they're gone. |
| 09:30.17 | cmonex | signed* |
| 09:30.32 | DarkriftX | im sure they are |
| 09:30.35 | cmonex | DarkriftX PM |
| 09:30.47 | spikebike | and we can't make an RC31 since it won't be signed with a key on a virgin rc30 phone? |
| 09:31.57 | lethalcode | Yup, system's reformatted, no trace of my root shells. |
| 09:32.20 | DarkriftX | how about the other ones? |
| 09:33.09 | lethalcode | DarkriftX: "other ones"? All three were wiped, /system was formatted. |
| 09:33.21 | DarkriftX | you didnt put any outside system? |
| 09:33.22 | lethalcode | And /data and /cache are unaccessible without it, so no point putting them there. And /sdcard is noexec. |
| 09:33.36 | DarkriftX | oh, i c |
| 09:33.51 | tmzt | what's outside system except ramdisk? |
| 09:34.17 | spikebike | lethal your talking about rc29 formatted.. right? |
| 09:34.34 | lethalcode | spikebike: Right. |
| 09:34.46 | g1er | wow sorry took a minute, 29 is -rwsrwxrwx root root ...foosh |
| 09:35.00 | DarkriftX | rc30 now g1er ? |
| 09:35.08 | g1er | alright.. |
| 09:35.15 | DarkriftX | oh, i c |
| 09:35.21 | spikebike | so sounds like g1 and lethal are ready to go to rc30 |
| 09:35.23 | DarkriftX | you did the other steps to copy the shell |
| 09:35.37 | g1er | i think.. same steps as before right |
| 09:36.02 | DarkriftX | yes |
| 09:36.06 | lethalcode | Recreated them. |
| 09:36.12 | g1er | yup |
| 09:36.16 | DarkriftX | ok |
| 09:36.22 | DarkriftX | both are ready to try rc30 now i guess |
| 09:36.33 | lethalcode | (I love ConnectBot and ssh tunneling - Have I said that yet?) |
| 09:36.33 | DarkriftX | may the root force be with you both |
| 09:36.37 | spikebike | yeah so you should have a copy of /system/bin/sh somewhere else and showing the -rwsrwxrwx |
| 09:36.40 | DarkriftX | i bet lethalcode |
| 09:36.41 | spikebike | and of course the same file size |
| 09:37.00 | DarkriftX | ls /system/bin/*sh -l |
| 09:37.06 | DarkriftX | that will show both and tell you sizes |
| 09:37.26 | DarkriftX | erm, put -l after ls |
| 09:37.31 | DarkriftX | forgot this is fake ls |
| 09:37.54 | lethalcode | DarkriftX: I run into that all the time. |
| 09:38.13 | lethalcode | Rebooting to try and update to RC30. |
| 09:38.17 | *** join/#android ziyourenxiang (n=ziyouren@bb121-7-89-77.singnet.com.sg) |
| 09:38.25 | g1er | yup, have one root and one shell, same sizes |
| 09:38.38 | g1er | one foosh and one sh |
| 09:39.01 | spikebike | sweet |
| 09:39.07 | lethalcode | Installing update. |
| 09:39.08 | DarkriftX | now adb in and try to run it |
| 09:39.38 | lethalcode | At a "Deleting files...." section of update. |
| 09:39.58 | lethalcode | (Any bets on whether it's a find for set*id files?) |
| 09:40.05 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 09:40.17 | swetland | unlikely |
| 09:40.19 | DarkriftX | i think they checked that already |
| 09:40.22 | DarkriftX | hello swetland |
| 09:40.28 | DarkriftX | we love you and your google buddies :) |
| 09:40.39 | DarkriftX | thanks for not killing root, we like root, hes a good guy |
| 09:40.51 | lethalcode | Agreed. |
| 09:40.57 | swetland | I'd have to look at the final ota, but I believe we decided that if you completely own the recovery partition (as we know many people do), there's not much useful to do ^^ |
| 09:41.18 | lethalcode | Nicely decided. |
| 09:41.49 | DarkriftX | we have it if you want a copy swetland :) |
| 09:42.23 | spikebike | swet of more interest is that if a suid binary in /system/bin will survive the rc30 update |
| 09:42.31 | g1er | right behind ya lethalcode..deleting :/ |
| 09:42.50 | DarkriftX | oh, i thought you were already on rc30 lol |
| 09:42.54 | DarkriftX | my hopes were all up alrady |
| 09:43.07 | lethalcode | Welp. |
| 09:43.08 | g1er | lol, nah that was 29, sry |
| 09:43.08 | lethalcode | Bad news. |
| 09:43.12 | g1er | ahhh |
| 09:43.20 | DarkriftX | damn |
| 09:43.25 | DarkriftX | google killed root :( |
| 09:43.27 | lethalcode | All my root shells lost setuid. |
| 09:43.40 | swetland | lethal: really? |
| 09:43.49 | spikebike | doh |
| 09:43.55 | DarkriftX | we need to find out why and how |
| 09:44.01 | DarkriftX | and find a way around it |
| 09:44.05 | swetland | now I'm curious too! |
| 09:44.06 | lethalcode | swetland: -rw-r--r-- for /system/sushi, -rwxr-xr-x for /system/bin/sushi |
| 09:44.09 | DarkriftX | we shouldnt have wasted both birds with one ston e:( |
| 09:44.21 | lethalcode | And -rw-r--r-- for /system/etc/sushi as well. |
| 09:44.37 | lethalcode | So it works, but is no longer root. |
| 09:44.38 | DarkriftX | second still has execute perms |
| 09:44.43 | DarkriftX | thats odd |
| 09:44.45 | *** join/#android nebi (n=nebi@c-498fe253.02-145-7570701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 09:44.53 | DarkriftX | what group/owner now? |
| 09:44.55 | swetland | I guess the security/recovery guys decided to get fancy after all. I thought the main goal was to close the hole on devices with the stock system. |
| 09:44.56 | spikebike | making all of /etc noexec makes sense |
| 09:45.00 | spikebike | er /system/etc |
| 09:45.07 | spikebike | boooo |
| 09:45.39 | tmzt | why are specific headsets listed in the kernel, anyway? swetland? |
| 09:45.40 | lethalcode | telnetd still exists, but I guess they closed that hole? |
| 09:45.41 | spikebike | swetland that was what I had hoped |
| 09:45.51 | spikebike | lethal doesn't hurt to try |
| 09:46.00 | spikebike | oh weird I thought telnetd was deleted |
| 09:46.22 | DarkriftX | yeah, said it was in the script |
| 09:46.22 | swetland | tmzt: htc's version of amss does some compensation for various acoustic features of certain popular bt headsets |
| 09:46.27 | DarkriftX | the bugfix has a bug? |
| 09:46.39 | tmzt | oh, ok |
| 09:46.43 | spikebike | lethal try the telnet bug |
| 09:46.54 | swetland | all you need to do is run ps |
| 09:47.06 | swetland | if you have a root shell, you still suffer from the issue |
| 09:47.10 | spikebike | although without the console bug it should just either not work or produce a user shell |
| 09:47.31 | tmzt | was telnetd a stand alone program or one personality of the multi-call binary? |
| 09:47.39 | swetland | standalone program |
| 09:47.50 | swetland | just a test rig I used when hacking on usbethernet at one point |
| 09:47.51 | lethalcode | It doesn't, however, actually start it. |
| 09:48.14 | lethalcode | netstat shows it no more. |
| 09:48.14 | g1er | ya i can't get a connection :/ |
| 09:48.24 | lethalcode | Oh woe is me, for I have no root and I must cry. |
| 09:48.31 | lethalcode | Or just get back to coding. No big deal :D. |
| 09:49.03 | g1er | welp, let me know when ya want to test something else..lol |
| 09:49.13 | DarkriftX | cries |
| 09:49.34 | spikebike | so /system/bin/telnetd does what? |
| 09:49.35 | lethalcode | Now if only I can make a default answer for this blasted USB notification . . . |
| 09:49.43 | lethalcode | spikebike: So far as I can see: Zilch. |
| 09:49.51 | DarkriftX | doesnt even start it as a user? |
| 09:49.56 | lethalcode | Nope. |
| 09:49.59 | DarkriftX | wow |
| 09:50.03 | swetland | you'd have to specify a port |
| 09:50.05 | DarkriftX | can you ls and tell us size? |
| 09:50.09 | DarkriftX | oh |
| 09:50.10 | lethalcode | swetland: Oh? |
| 09:50.11 | tmzt | does the phone respond to eject on usb device? |
| 09:50.14 | DarkriftX | telnetd 23 |
| 09:50.14 | swetland | because it's going to try to bind to 23 |
| 09:50.20 | DarkriftX | ooooh |
| 09:50.22 | tmzt | or scsi eject? |
| 09:50.23 | swetland | which, after the root exploit is removed, is not going to work |
| 09:50.26 | DarkriftX | only root can use 1024 or less |
| 09:50.31 | DarkriftX | so that proves it |
| 09:50.37 | DarkriftX | its not root, so cant use port 23 |
| 09:50.49 | lethalcode | telnetd 1234 hangs. Presumably running. |
| 09:50.55 | swetland | yup |
| 09:51.02 | DarkriftX | shit |
| 09:51.03 | tmzt | it will exit then, if it can't get socket? |
| 09:51.04 | spikebike | so telnet g1.ip 1234 does what? |
| 09:51.19 | DarkriftX | gives you a useless user shell :( |
| 09:51.21 | swetland | will give you a shell as whatever user you ran telnetd as |
| 09:51.25 | DarkriftX | still something, but damn |
| 09:51.34 | spikebike | ya, just figured it was worth checking |
| 09:51.48 | lethalcode | Yup, useless user shell. |
| 09:51.58 | spikebike | boo |
| 09:52.11 | spikebike | I was 90% sure it would work since they weren't formatting /system |
| 09:52.19 | spikebike | but alas I was wrong |
| 09:52.20 | lethalcode | I figure we just wait for the next root exploit to come out. |
| 09:52.28 | lethalcode | Yeah. They did that /find, it seems. |
| 09:52.28 | lethalcode | Hm |
| 09:52.36 | lethalcode | I wonder if they excluded built-in apps. |
| 09:52.39 | tmzt | touch/chown -R is a lot smaller than distributing the whole thing |
| 09:52.49 | swetland | the whole thing really was a small collection of bugs working together 1. no console=null kernel commandline caused init to find tty1 as default console 2. console switching code removed to avoid a deadlock caused the runtime to not switch away from tty1 3. telnetd (a test binary) accidentally left in the final "user" manifest |
| 09:52.49 | tmzt | I think osx does that with its repair permissions |
| 09:52.53 | lethalcode | e.g: Replace telnetd with a setuid version? |
| 09:53.26 | lethalcode | Alas, I have no way to update. |
| 09:53.52 | tmzt | but if sh was really listening on /dev/console and not /dev/tty1, would the chvt has stopped it? |
| 09:54.21 | tmzt | I guess old X put it into some kind of raw mode, put new X and maybe zygote do not |
| 09:54.32 | tmzt | only access the /dev/input/event device instead |
| 09:54.40 | swetland | /dev/console was just an alias for /dev/tty1 basically |
| 09:54.51 | g1er | telnet ip 1234 gives me "can't connect" not even $, did i miss a step (i'm in system/bin, typed telnetd, ps) |
| 09:55.03 | swetland | /dev/console (iirc) just routes you to whatever the "default" console is |
| 09:55.11 | DarkriftX | telnetd 1234 |
| 09:55.16 | DarkriftX | then telnet in on port 1234 |
| 09:55.35 | lethalcode | DarkriftX: Yup. It's a standard user. |
| 09:56.15 | tmzt | ok, but if you look at the output is warns about not running under X, if X is running on vt7 (old X) the it still has an active vt and /dev/console still works (since it use to use that for input) |
| 09:56.24 | tmzt | at the output of showkey |
| 09:56.50 | swetland | in any case we also figured out the weird combo of kernel options that was preventing us from removing vt entirely |
| 09:56.55 | spikebike | hrm |
| 09:57.20 | swetland | so that'll be fixed in the next kernel build too (and we ditch 65 tty* entries cluttering up /dev. yay tidyness) |
| 09:57.40 | g1er | weird, I'm not even getting a limited connection, just can't connect. |
| 09:58.15 | DarkriftX | oh lovely |
| 09:58.22 | DarkriftX | new radio cannot connect!!! bug! |
| 09:58.23 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 09:58.24 | spikebike | there are a few legal suid files right? |
| 09:58.24 | g1er | typed into phone telnetd 1234, typed into pc telnet ip:1234 and ip 1234 |
| 09:58.35 | lethalcode | swetland: Any chance soon of using the G1 USB port as a host instead of client? |
| 09:58.44 | DarkriftX | oh, thought yo meant to cellular |
| 09:58.55 | swetland | lethal: you'll need an external dongle for that |
| 09:59.06 | DarkriftX | would be great swetland |
| 09:59.10 | DarkriftX | who cares about a dongle :) |
| 09:59.15 | DarkriftX | usb host would f'ing rock |
| 09:59.16 | swetland | it doesn't have the 5V vreg for OTG support |
| 09:59.22 | g1er | lol closed/open kb = back to android:/? |
| 09:59.27 | lethalcode | Ah. |
| 09:59.55 | g1er | *android:/$ |
| 09:59.57 | lethalcode | Blast, I was hoping for a portable, programmable control for my Canon EOS. |
| 10:00.03 | swetland | otg is a giant pain in the ass, but it'd be neat for some stuff |
| 10:00.27 | lethalcode | (Although you already replied to my thread on that :D) |
| 10:01.03 | swetland | spike: actually there should be only two setgid files and no setuid files in all of /system |
| 10:01.21 | swetland | definitely nothing setuid root |
| 10:01.28 | swetland | (in a stock "user" build) |
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| 10:02.12 | lethalcode | Oh swetland - You're a kernel/hw guy only, or know anything about MediaPlayer/VideoView classes? |
| 10:02.36 | g1er | heads back to the observation corner :) |
| 10:02.37 | lethalcode | In particular: I'm getting errors occasionally when seeking and starting too often. |
| 10:02.43 | swetland | nope. I don't touch anything in the java frameworks |
| 10:02.47 | g1er | thanks for the quick crash course tho :) |
| 10:02.59 | lethalcode | Gotcha. |
| 10:03.59 | lethalcode | heads out for the night. |
| 10:04.55 | lethalcode | Night, folks. |
| 10:05.00 | g1er | night |
| 10:05.04 | swetland | I should go the hell home |
| 10:07.13 | DarkriftX | gn all |
| 10:08.21 | g1er | later DarkriftX |
| 10:09.14 | tmzt | iif any two phones could be connected together,like otg is supposed to do with miniAB ports |
| 10:09.32 | spikebike | so a new theory... any guinea pigs left? |
| 10:09.46 | tmzt | (would also like it if git wouldn't kill my computer when I do a commit) |
| 10:09.50 | g1er | lol, how do I undo!?! |
| 10:09.59 | g1er | jk |
| 10:10.03 | spikebike | I wish |
| 10:10.49 | g1er | ha, going to have to get my girl a G1 i guess.... |
| 10:12.23 | anno^da_ | Guys anything new on the developer g1s? :) |
| 10:14.13 | g1er | you're on RC30 too right spikebike? |
| 10:14.31 | spikebike | no rc29 |
| 10:14.46 | g1er | ah |
| 10:14.50 | g1er | k |
| 10:15.37 | g1er | anything I can look up on here that might help? /system/bin/logwrapper etc. |
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| 10:22.22 | neverender | spikebike: whats your theory? |
| 10:23.51 | spikebike | I thought ping was suid root |
| 10:24.06 | spikebike | I was thinking copying a shell over ping might allow the rc30 upgrade to leave behind a suid shell |
| 10:24.33 | spikebike | but it turns out they are gid |
| 10:24.38 | neverender | oh |
| 10:24.41 | kRutOn | arrr, Google Code's upload function is broken |
| 10:25.03 | spikebike | -rwxr-sr-x root net_raw 26628 2008-08-01 05:00 ping |
| 10:25.03 | spikebike | -rwxr-sr-x root inet 5616 2008-08-01 05:00 netcfg |
| 10:25.25 | spikebike | not sure if I could change the gid from net_raw or inet to 0 |
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| 10:41.30 | ionstorm | does rc30 kill root |
| 10:41.36 | ionstorm | once u make a su |
| 10:43.03 | g1er | ya |
| 10:43.35 | spikebike | ya |
| 10:43.53 | spikebike | so far |
| 10:44.03 | ionstorm | i got an update notification, if I cancel it will it still fuq shit up |
| 10:44.09 | spikebike | no |
| 10:44.42 | g1er | another 'helper'? anything yet spike.. |
| 10:44.43 | spikebike | anyone know how to hardware reset a g1 |
| 10:44.55 | spikebike | or remove the battery? |
| 10:45.24 | g1er | I just did the power+home alt+w? that the same thing 'wipe' |
| 10:45.46 | spikebike | well mines hung on the tri-color screen |
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| 10:46.01 | g1er | oh |
| 10:47.41 | ionstorm | so the update is voluntary |
| 10:47.43 | ionstorm | good |
| 10:48.02 | g1er | i think i read somewhere it'll eventually install |
| 10:48.09 | ionstorm | ? |
| 10:48.40 | ionstorm | cant i just remove the update notifier app |
| 10:48.52 | g1er | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443328 |
| 10:49.00 | g1er | idk, <<noob |
| 10:51.54 | ionstorm | instead of removing cacerts why not remove the offensive cert so you can keep ssl connections then rezip |
| 10:55.16 | ionstorm | also got an idea |
| 10:55.28 | ionstorm | make a sh script that autokills the updater app |
| 10:55.41 | ionstorm | com.android.updater |
| 10:56.15 | spikebike | it might just be a normal root cert |
| 10:56.19 | spikebike | not something unique to the images |
| 10:57.52 | ionstorm | releasekey.x509.pem thats the content |
| 10:57.57 | ionstorm | thats it |
| 10:58.10 | spikebike | of? |
| 10:58.18 | ionstorm | otacerts.zip |
| 10:58.27 | spikebike | that doesn't help |
| 10:58.33 | spikebike | it just keeps redownling |
| 10:58.43 | spikebike | although someone mentioned that might have been fixed in rc29 |
| 10:58.49 | ionstorm | which folder does it download to? |
| 10:59.11 | ionstorm | i just killed the process |
| 11:00.03 | ionstorm | which folder does it download the update to? |
| 11:00.18 | spikebike | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.36 | ionstorm | filename? |
| 11:02.13 | ionstorm | signed-RC30-from-RC29-fat.1582cace.zip |
| 11:02.44 | g1er | ya |
| 11:02.58 | ionstorm | touch /cache/signed-RC30-from-RC29-fat.1582cace.zip ; busybox chattr +i /cache/signed-RC30-from-RC29-fat.1582cace.zip |
| 11:03.17 | ionstorm | chattr +1 Cannot be modified (immutable) |
| 11:03.48 | ionstorm | is the /cache folder needed? |
| 11:05.05 | ionstorm | Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 11:05.05 | ionstorm | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.10 | ionstorm | bleh chattr no work |
| 11:05.23 | ionstorm | we should just lock down /cache |
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| 11:16.34 | spikebike | has anyone here tweaked the initrd? |
| 11:19.10 | kRutOn | Do JPEG drawable resources work on the device itself? |
| 11:19.32 | BluesLee | hey guys, who owns a g1? |
| 11:19.50 | g1er | me :D |
| 11:19.53 | kRutOn | ah, it says it supports JPEG, PNG, and GIF. |
| 11:20.11 | BluesLee | g1er: are you happy with the hardware? |
| 11:20.41 | BluesLee | g1er: i tested a preversion of android on the freerunner.. |
| 11:21.14 | BluesLee | g1er: are there any issues or something that you do not like concerning the hardware ... |
| 11:21.25 | g1er | Happy with the phone, coming from a t-mo wing. Although I'm no expert. |
| 11:21.34 | ionstorm | i think creating an empty file signed-RC30-from-RC29-fat.1582cace.zip in /cache will prevent the rc30 update |
| 11:21.35 | ionstorm | lol |
| 11:21.41 | g1er | the chin area should have been FLAT! |
| 11:22.05 | kRutOn | g1er: What about people with underbite?! |
| 11:22.12 | BluesLee | g1er: is it a problem? disadvantages? |
| 11:22.40 | kRutOn | Hey, it looks like they restored ratings and download stats for previous versions on the Android Market. |
| 11:22.51 | g1er | nah, well in and out of a cheap vertical holster = already wearing uppermost corners |
| 11:23.18 | BluesLee | okay |
| 11:23.39 | kRutOn | g1er: Get a real holster. Go Galco. |
| 11:24.04 | BluesLee | i hoped that android would be ported very fast to other htc phones |
| 11:24.13 | g1er | ya, I also don't think it's entirely the holster/phone's fault. |
| 11:24.32 | g1er | work in construction, poor new phone :/ |
| 11:24.48 | kRutOn | BluesLee: The problem is probably the baseband stuff. |
| 11:25.12 | BluesLee | kRutOn: there is a freerunner port yet |
| 11:25.45 | BluesLee | kRutOn: i thought that the hardware of the g1 is more or less identical with some other htcs |
| 11:26.51 | kRutOn | BluesLee: You can look at http://www.myhtcphone.com/ |
| 11:26.53 | BluesLee | kRutOn: baseband? gsm stuff? |
| 11:27.40 | kRutOn | BluesLee: Yes, the radio. |
| 11:28.15 | g1er | can i get a 'dir' of /bin through pterm? |
| 11:30.02 | BluesLee | kRutOn: the vogue port has a software keyboard included? |
| 11:31.00 | g1er | nm, used afm :) |
| 11:31.08 | kRutOn | BluesLee: Yes, but the resolution is less than the G1 so the graphics are messed up. |
| 11:32.09 | BluesLee | kRutOn: okay, but this may be interesting as we do not have a kb on the android-freerunner yet |
| 11:32.47 | BluesLee | kRutOn: and the android team will not release one before 2009 |
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| 11:38.04 | g1er | hm, so telnetd is still hiding in ../bin what good is it.. |
| 11:39.23 | spikebike | not much |
| 11:42.15 | g1er | bummer.. there's a bunch of new and missing stuff in here compared to the RC29 update.zip |
| 11:45.20 | ionstorm | were the permissions of /cache changed w/rc30 |
| 11:45.25 | ionstorm | global permission change? |
| 11:46.09 | g1er | um, how would I check that? |
| 11:46.34 | ionstorm | ls -l /cache |
| 11:46.54 | ionstorm | im wondering if u could just copy su to /cache |
| 11:47.23 | spikebike | /dev/block/mtdblock4 /cache yaffs2 rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
| 11:47.25 | g1er | opendir failed, permission denied |
| 11:47.27 | spikebike | you could |
| 11:47.31 | spikebike | but it's nosuid |
| 11:48.05 | saurik | does the update process reboot the phone before the update occurs? |
| 11:48.13 | ionstorm | yea |
| 11:48.17 | spikebike | an update actually has 2 reboots |
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| 11:59.07 | ionstorm | well im thinking creating a file in place of the update or a static link to /dev/null could prevent the update or possibly fill up the /cache dir so an update isnt possible, or change permission of /cache |
| 11:59.37 | ionstorm | or just auto kill the update app |
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| 12:06.39 | g1er | not sure if this is pertinent but when i did the SD update, atl+l the first line was something like Error - 'E:.....cache/common.. " sorry can't be more specific |
| 12:06.55 | Dialekt | yo |
| 12:08.18 | g1er | could that possibly be a secondary update download 'area'? or is that where it's initially unzipped to.. |
| 12:08.36 | ionstorm | prolly cache its unzipped |
| 12:11.29 | Dialekt | http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665524088 |
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| 12:21.54 | g1er | would android possibly run on my wing? |
| 12:23.03 | g1er | nm found the updated thread.. |
| 12:49.03 | PoohbaLT1 | is it possible to attach files to an email? word documents and things like that? |
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| 13:11.30 | KNY | is there a way (using the eclipse plugin) to tell the compiler to ignore certain files when building an APK? |
| 13:11.54 | KNY | for example, I don't want it including the high-res PSDs for my icons |
| 13:12.14 | KNY | I mean, I should probably create another folder for those, but still |
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| 13:29.43 | kRutOn | hm, I wonder if you can make a normal click behave like a long click |
| 13:30.52 | umdk1d3 | its just a duration measure right> |
| 13:31.20 | umdk1d3 | might post a delayed runnable that could be cancelled if the user lets up too early |
| 13:34.03 | kRutOn | umdk1d3: people are getting confused about long click on the pubkey list, it seems |
| 13:34.24 | kRutOn | umdk1d3: er, actually, I want to use this on the port forward list... |
| 13:34.26 | umdk1d3 | oh |
| 13:34.45 | umdk1d3 | you could make the call over to the contextmenu handler from the onclick |
| 13:34.51 | kRutOn | umdk1d3: Maybe the solution is to make Flash demos like the iPhone does with their commercials |
| 13:35.21 | umdk1d3 | ssh shouldnt be dumbed down ;) |
| 13:35.27 | kRutOn | umdk1d3: Yeah, but what do you do? getListView().createContextMenu(...? |
| 13:36.15 | umdk1d3 | oh hmm |
| 13:37.49 | saurik | http://www.saurik.com/id/10 <- my writeup on running Debian Lenny on the G1 along side Android's userspace (I have successfully ssh'd in, written code, and compiled it with gcc) |
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| 13:39.15 | saurik | (and with that finally done, I am off to collapse into a pile of nose-drippy sickness and rest) |
| 13:39.32 | kRutOn | umdk1d3: hm, maybe I can do showContextMenu |
| 13:40.00 | kRutOn | getListView().getSelectedView().showContextMenu() |
| 13:40.23 | kRutOn | umdk1d3: btw, did you see I put dynamic port forwarding in |
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| 13:56.34 | blau | hi guys |
| 13:59.33 | blau | lala |
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| 14:42.49 | Fnord^ | hiya. r30 nukes /system completely? |
| 14:43.05 | offby1 | awaits r30 |
| 14:43.51 | Disconnect | offby1: its available on the updates page. want the link? |
| 14:43.57 | offby1 | naw |
| 14:44.09 | Fnord^ | renamed otacerts.zip heh |
| 14:44.14 | offby1 | I'll wait 'til it gets pushed. I don't trust myself to shove updates into the USB port. |
| 14:44.26 | offby1 | Disconnect: I changed my mind -- I _would_ like the link, thanks. |
| 14:44.35 | Disconnect | offby1: besides, don't you -not- want rc30? |
| 14:44.38 | offby1 | (I probably won't download the update, but I would like to poke around that site) |
| 14:44.46 | offby1 | Disconnect: nah, I'll take what they give me |
| 14:44.53 | Disconnect | https://android.clients.google.com/updates/signed-RC30-from-RC29-fat.1582cace.zip |
| 14:44.56 | offby1 | thanks. |
| 14:45.35 | Fnord^ | Someone successfully modify it to not lockdown, yet? |
| 14:46.04 | Disconnect | no but i'm looking at it now |
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| 14:49.24 | Fnord^ | set_perm_recursive 0 0 0755 0644 SYSTEM: |
| 14:49.25 | Fnord^ | =[ |
| 14:49.42 | Disconnect | i'm wondering if its goign to keep downloading until it finds one that matches the keys. shows 'otakeys.zip not found' on the info page |
| 14:50.07 | jbq_ | Did you modify your local keys? |
| 14:50.30 | Disconnect | just moved them out of the way |
| 14:50.37 | Disconnect | er, otakeys out, updated local keys yah |
| 14:50.48 | Disconnect | flashed the modified recovery image and such |
| 14:51.25 | jbq_ | Yup. Same thing. The system updater will assume that the download got corrupted (since it doesn't "stick" when it's supposed to) and will re-attempt it at the next opportunity. |
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| 14:51.32 | Disconnect | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443041 |
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| 14:52.15 | Fnord^ | new recovery image too |
| 14:52.33 | Disconnect | is debating whether he wants to swap out the rootsh for dropbear. just to make life easier. |
| 14:52.44 | Disconnect | (the root console from startup i mean) |
| 14:52.45 | Fnord^ | so r30 will nuke that. but with stock recovery can one go back to 29? |
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| 14:53.04 | jbq_ | Fnord^: not necessarily. |
| 14:54.22 | Fnord^ | not so nice |
| 14:55.06 | Disconnect | as i was saying yesterday.. there is zero reason for a commercial product to allow downgrades. (especially if its a hacker/security target, like a game device, cellphone, etc) |
| 14:55.29 | Disconnect | if release-5 breaks everything so badly you want to undo it, you can just make release-6 thats identical to release-4.. |
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| 14:56.33 | ahaberlacho | Also, it's a PITA to support downgrades cleanly. |
| 14:56.40 | Disconnect | yah |
| 14:57.06 | ahaberlacho | Maybe on the "wipe completely and start with somethig old" way, but not on the "we're going to nicely roll back any databases and dependencies and other cruft you may have sitting around." |
| 14:57.08 | jbq_ | (writing software that can deal with data formats that didn't exist when the software was written, etc...) |
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| 14:59.12 | ITechJunkie | Hey guys. Has anyone recieved that new update? Can you confirm that it patches the jailbreak exploit? |
| 14:59.45 | Fnord^ | it patches it, and any setuid shells you might have laying around |
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| 15:00.49 | ITechJunkie | Fnord^: bummer... can I just decline it? Is there anything in the update that is good? |
| 15:01.28 | Disconnect | afaik thats all that is in the update. and if you deny it long enough it will apply it anyway. |
| 15:01.44 | Fnord^ | ITechJunkie, mv /system/etc/otacerts.zip /system/etc/otacerts.zip.bak |
| 15:01.46 | Disconnect | best option (simplest) is to get root and remove/rename /etc/security/otakeys.zip so it won't validate the patch file |
| 15:02.21 | ITechJunkie | suhweet. You guys rock. |
| 15:02.31 | ahaberlacho | I suspect that your device might keep downloading the package and trying again, thoug. |
| 15:02.32 | Fnord^ | Wonder if it's possible to kill a proc so it doesn't even attempt updates |
| 15:02.36 | ahaberlacho | Might not be so good for battery life. :) |
| 15:02.39 | Disconnect | it'll dl it - probably repeatedly :( - but it won't apply |
| 15:02.51 | Disconnect | someone was talking about an updater.apk on xda-fev |
| 15:02.51 | Disconnect | dev |
| 15:02.57 | Fnord^ | yeah |
| 15:02.58 | Fnord^ | but |
| 15:03.14 | jbq_ | Fnord^: and if you kill the download process (which is the only one that lasts any significant duration) it'll restart within seconds. |
| 15:03.14 | ahaberlacho | Is the code for the updater public? |
| 15:03.14 | Fnord^ | last time i tried to remove an .apk it didn't work well :P |
| 15:03.19 | Fnord^ | myfaves |
| 15:03.29 | jbq_ | ahaberlacho: not all of it. The google-specific parts aren't. |
| 15:03.38 | Fnord^ | hmm |
| 15:03.51 | Fnord^ | nullroute the ip address? :-O |
| 15:03.58 | ITechJunkie | Disconnect: ... so what is the best solution? Cause I don't need this thing draining battery life if it's just gonna try to download it repeatedly |
| 15:04.16 | Disconnect | for now, just move the files. that gives you breathing room :) |
| 15:04.39 | jbq_ | sees bricks in people's futures. |
| 15:05.17 | ITechJunkie | Disconnect: cool, hey man. You are always on this channel it seems... what kinda of job do you have that allows you to do that? Cause I need to look into it. |
| 15:05.20 | Disconnect | jbq_: yah but "it kept saying something about updating but i said no and i wanted to make a call. it wouldn't turn off so i pulled the battery out." |
| 15:05.52 | Disconnect | ITechJunkie: sysadmin. if you're really good its a year of hurry-up-and-wait followed by n years of mostly-just-wait. |
| 15:06.49 | ITechJunkie | Very cool. So now that you have your system up and running smoothly you just get to sit back and chill? |
| 15:07.24 | ahaberlacho | So, uh, has anyone done anything useful with a "jailbroken" phone that they couldn't do otherwise? |
| 15:07.24 | jbq_ | leaves for an extended week-end. cya all. |
| 15:07.33 | Disconnect | cya jbq_ |
| 15:07.42 | Fnord^ | ported my favorite text editor |
| 15:07.45 | Fnord^ | ? |
| 15:07.50 | Fnord^ | and sqlite |
| 15:07.58 | Disconnect | ahaberlacho: sshd could be useful, or not. but i'm figuring on crosscompiling openvpn at some point soonish. |
| 15:08.08 | Fnord^ | I was thinking of that |
| 15:08.11 | Disconnect | (could count as useful that is) |
| 15:08.19 | Fnord^ | But it needs tun kmod |
| 15:08.24 | ahaberlacho | Isn't sqlite3 already on there? |
| 15:08.29 | Fnord^ | It is? |
| 15:08.32 | Disconnect | ..yah |
| 15:08.41 | Disconnect | try the beginning of the dev tutorials :) |
| 15:09.07 | ahaberlacho | And I suppose that 'porting' ssh requires native code, but there's Java implementations of ssh as well. |
| 15:09.31 | Fnord^ | ./system/lib/libsqlite.so |
| 15:09.51 | ahaberlacho | shrugs. Until there's a 'killer feature' for h4x0r3d devices, I'll stay on the upgrade chain. :) |
| 15:10.54 | Fnord^ | well |
| 15:11.05 | Fnord^ | there's the potential of making it a 3g wifi router |
| 15:11.26 | Disconnect | ahaberlacho: no java sshd. just clients. and the upgrade chain is likely to be a one-way journey. |
| 15:11.39 | Disconnect | oh. how about "I can backup my data".. killer feature? |
| 15:12.27 | ahaberlacho | Well, it syncs my mail/contacts/calendar to/from Google, so that's basically backed up. |
| 15:12.48 | ahaberlacho | I suppose that my local settings aren't totally safe, but when's the last time I cared enough about that to hack a phone? |
| 15:13.00 | ahaberlacho | Maybe the bookmarks, but I only visit 9 sites or so anyway. |
| 15:13.29 | ahaberlacho | And why would I want to ssh into my phone? I've already got a slicehosted server for that. :) |
| 15:13.39 | Disconnect | ..and thats all. sms's? nope. music/pics are on sd so thats safe. bookmarks? nope. app data? nope (notes, lists, highscores, whatever it is the app saves) |
| 15:13.54 | ahaberlacho | Heck, my phone spends most of its time behind a carrier's NAT gateway -- I can't usually ssh to it anyway. |
| 15:14.28 | Disconnect | basically the guidelines say "don't save anything important to sd card because any app can read/write it" .. so devs that follow the guidelines save the data you most need to back up to the places you can't get to. |
| 15:15.03 | ahaberlacho | Yeah, the lack of security on the sdcard is unfortunate. Blame FAT32. :( |
| 15:16.32 | kRutOn | Speaking of SSH clients, I just added dynamic (SOCKS) port forwarding to ConnectBot |
| 15:16.51 | Fnord^ | kRutOn, you're the author? |
| 15:16.54 | offby1 | kRutOn: are you the connectbot guy? |
| 15:16.54 | kRutOn | Somebody was asking for it, but I can't remember who |
| 15:16.57 | offby1 | Fnord^: jinx :) |
| 15:16.58 | kRutOn | Fnord^: Yes |
| 15:17.00 | Fnord^ | XD |
| 15:17.04 | Fnord^ | <3 connectbot |
| 15:17.07 | offby1 | kRutOn: great! my fave app. |
| 15:17.19 | offby1 | starts a "#connectbot-fanbois" channel |
| 15:17.29 | Fnord^ | Can you add tunnel to a host's saved settings? |
| 15:17.38 | Fnord^ | (knew a feature request was coming huh) |
| 15:17.38 | kRutOn | Fnord^: With the new dev version you can |
| 15:17.47 | Fnord^ | Is nice :> |
| 15:17.48 | kRutOn | http://connectbot.org/ |
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| 15:20.42 | offby1 | resists the impulse to pour sAlaDdreSSing on kRutOn |
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| 15:24.58 | Fnord^ | works |
| 15:33.21 | kRutOn | the multiple port forwards |
| 15:33.46 | kRutOn | ? |
| 15:33.49 | Fnord^ | yah |
| 15:34.05 | Fnord^ | is poking at boot.img |
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| 15:55.09 | Fnord^ | hrm |
| 15:55.17 | Fnord^ | is there a util for extracting boot.img? |
| 15:55.41 | KNY | Fnord^, just a guess, but couldn't you mount it as a loopback device? |
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| 15:57.17 | Fnord^ | I don't think so |
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| 15:58.26 | Fnord^ | % strings boot.img |head -1 |
| 15:58.26 | Fnord^ | ANDROID! |
| 16:01.09 | d0nets | ? |
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| 16:06.04 | Fnord^ | it's not a filetype that i recognize |
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| 16:06.30 | Fnord^ | supposedly it contains a kernel and initramfs |
| 16:11.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes, you can mount it as a loopback |
| 16:12.47 | deebo | is there some way to check if the hardware has a touch screen? |
| 16:12.51 | d0nets | any progress towards apps from microsd? |
| 16:13.00 | Fnord^ | [root@n1 ~]# mount boot.img mnt -oloop |
| 16:13.00 | Fnord^ | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 16:13.03 | Damm | d0nets, that's more then likely going to come from apple. |
| 16:13.14 | d0nets | wtf apple? |
| 16:13.15 | Damm | err |
| 16:13.17 | Damm | google |
| 16:13.19 | Damm | brain fart |
| 16:13.21 | Damm | still waking up |
| 16:13.24 | d0nets | lol |
| 16:13.25 | Fnord^ | or ln? : |
| 16:13.26 | Fnord^ | :P |
| 16:13.34 | Damm | Fnord^, try it |
| 16:13.43 | Damm | 'Cannot cross-device symlink' or some crud |
| 16:13.44 | Fnord^ | no workie? |
| 16:13.45 | Damm | I forget. |
| 16:13.48 | Fnord^ | oh |
| 16:13.50 | d0nets | we need a 1.1 |
| 16:13.55 | d0nets | with javax sound in the sdk |
| 16:13.55 | Disconnect | Fnord^: ln trashes the security model and likely will result in install/run failures when the platform sees bad perms/owners |
| 16:14.01 | Disconnect | plus noexec |
| 16:14.04 | d0nets | and apps from sd |
| 16:14.16 | Disconnect | you're not getting javax sound. thats why its called porting. |
| 16:14.33 | d0nets | the media api sucks |
| 16:14.37 | Fnord^ | rm: remove 'com.kmagic.solitaire.apk'? y |
| 16:14.40 | Fnord^ | erm |
| 16:14.48 | d0nets | people are writing huge blogs about how it f'd their project |
| 16:15.11 | d0nets | like the little snake-like bike game, the maker of that is having to rewrite a b unch of stuff |
| 16:15.11 | Fnord^ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 10045 32 Nov 8 16:14 /data/app/com.kmagic.solitaire.apk -> /sdcard/com.kmagic.solitaire.apk |
| 16:16.06 | Fnord^ | though now it doesn't display in the gui heh |
| 16:16.13 | Damm | prolly not |
| 16:23.12 | mr_lou | Are there any Android game developers in the channel? |
| 16:23.37 | d0nets | hey what is the little bike game? |
| 16:23.42 | d0nets | its like snake, with the little trail |
| 16:24.15 | anno^da_ | mr_lou: whats up ? |
| 16:24.19 | KNY | d0nets, armagetron? |
| 16:24.31 | d0nets | i dont think |
| 16:24.33 | KNY | there's a clone on the market call light something |
| 16:24.48 | KNY | Light Racer is the one in the Market |
| 16:24.52 | mr_lou | anno^da_, I'm curious of which music file formats you can use with Android. Like e.g. MIDI and AMR as with JavaME. Or can you use MOD and XM files with Android? |
| 16:25.30 | d0nets | i think amr |
| 16:25.45 | anno^da_ | OGG is possible as well |
| 16:25.56 | d0nets | do you have the sdk installed? |
| 16:26.03 | d0nets | go into the library to the media api |
| 16:26.31 | anno^da_ | OGG is recommended for low bitrate files |
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| 16:27.01 | mr_lou | No SDK installed. We are a small JavaME game development sparetime company, thinking about expanding to the Android platform. So for now just a little curiosity. |
| 16:27.07 | offby1 | caveman like OGG |
| 16:27.18 | mr_lou | Yea, but I think OGG is a big format. Makes a game file size incredible big I think. |
| 16:27.48 | anno^da_ | Well EA recommended OGG for low bitrate files but high quality and small file size. |
| 16:27.56 | anno^da_ | For the Android developement. |
| 16:28.02 | mr_lou | hmkay |
| 16:28.22 | mr_lou | They use OGG on the iPhone as well, don't they? |
| 16:28.24 | anno^da_ | So you could consider it but amr is also possible. I'm ust seraching for the compatibility site at the moment :) |
| 16:28.45 | anno^da_ | Oh well I havent developed for the iPhone so I dont really know sorry. |
| 16:28.54 | d0nets | http://www.rbgrn.net/blog/2008/11/getting-started-in-android-game-development.html |
| 16:29.45 | mr_lou | It would be really neat if you could use MOD files. It gives a small file size, and options for much better control of the music, like e.g. "invisible" loops, and switching of styles without stopping up first. |
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| 16:30.50 | mr_lou | Thanks d0nets. Looks like interesting reading. |
| 16:32.26 | d0nets | np |
| 16:36.08 | KNY | hey guys, I'm trying to create the following layout (sorry for the ascii!): [[dynamic][ ---- expands to fill free space ---- ][more dynamic]] |
| 16:36.09 | KNY | any thoughts? |
| 16:36.30 | KNY | I've got the left and right--I can't get the middle to expand to fill correctly |
| 16:38.20 | kRutOn | KNY: I think you just set the layout:weight higher than the other elements |
| 16:38.34 | KNY | kRutOn, I'll give that a shot, thanks |
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| 17:00.13 | ttuttle | romainguy__: morning |
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| 17:04.42 | ivantis | who are the bots here? |
| 17:04.44 | ivantis | !bots |
| 17:04.49 | ivantis | hey ttuttle |
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| 17:06.01 | ivantis | jasonchen, is Chen your last name? |
| 17:06.13 | ivantis | i have friend whos last name is Chen |
| 17:06.27 | ivantis | he moved to china recently |
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| 17:22.38 | offby1 | I ain't no bot. |
| 17:22.40 | offby1 | I don't think. |
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| 17:32.20 | mr_lou | Can the G1 run normal JavaME stuff? |
| 17:33.26 | Fnord^ | woot! I've extracted boot.img's ramfs |
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| 17:36.05 | tauno | mr_lou, try microemu |
| 17:36.11 | tauno | or j2merunner |
| 17:37.11 | tauno | you have to convert it to a format that Android can digest first by hand or using these tools |
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| 17:39.04 | wastrel | yuppers |
| 17:39.13 | wastrel | getting the new update |
| 17:39.17 | wastrel | i keep saying no |
| 17:39.35 | tauno | mr_lou, http://microemu.blogspot.com/2008/11/running-java-me-applications-on-android.html and http://netmite.com/android/index.html |
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| 17:41.58 | mr_lou | tauno, That's brilliant! |
| 17:42.10 | Fnord^ | and yuck, i think the validation keys in the recovery image are in a compiled binary |
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| 17:55.07 | tauno | anyone knows where could I find the source for android.R.id.text1 @ android.git.kernel.org? |
| 17:58.20 | andyross | tauno: Looks like frameworks/base/core/res/res/values/ids.xml -- found that with a grep, ymmv. |
| 18:02.03 | tauno | andyross, thanks.. have to dl all the source myself someday so I could grep it myself :) |
| 18:03.09 | tauno | altough it's only hmm.. <item type="id" name="text1" /> there.. but wonder where's the actual layout information for this.. |
| 18:03.22 | tauno | ..or I'm confusing stuff here again :/ |
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| 18:07.22 | tauno | ok, seems I'm confusing stuff :P |
| 18:09.58 | steveyos | Does the G1 have any IRC clients yet? |
| 18:10.29 | spikebike | ssh ;-) |
| 18:11.49 | offby1 | steveyos: yeah. connectbot to a *nix box, then run irssi or whatever |
| 18:12.03 | offby1 | steveyos: but I too would enjoy an IRC client. |
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| 18:14.42 | steveyos | Alright just installed connectbot, I got no idea what to do |
| 18:14.42 | steveyos | Trying to connect to EFnet |
| 18:14.43 | spikebike | er |
| 18:14.52 | spikebike | ideally you would ssh to a machine that you could run screen |
| 18:14.52 | Fnord^ | WTF. rc30 -doesn't- brick phones? |
| 18:14.55 | spikebike | and irssi |
| 18:15.06 | spikebike | doesn't.. but it does remove root |
| 18:15.19 | Fnord^ | Yeah, modding it to behave |
| 18:15.27 | spikebike | oh? |
| 18:15.37 | Fnord^ | but it deletes all of /system/bin...and doesn't include replacements? wtf |
| 18:15.46 | spikebike | er |
| 18:15.48 | steveyos | So I can't just use ssh to connect directly to IRC from my phone then? I have no idea what ssh is |
| 18:15.49 | spikebike | RC30 does? |
| 18:16.16 | spikebike | steveyos er, do you know what telnet is? |
| 18:16.24 | spikebike | rc30 is only 4.5MB |
| 18:16.31 | spikebike | it's mostly just patches |
| 18:16.39 | spikebike | and a find /system remove suid script |
| 18:16.39 | Fnord^ | META-INF/com/google/android/update-script |
| 18:16.58 | Fnord^ | oh |
| 18:16.59 | Fnord^ | wait |
| 18:17.13 | Fnord^ | nevermind, i am dumb >.> It was removing toolbox symlinks |
| 18:18.06 | steveyos | Not much about it, I don't use that kind of stuff |
| 18:18.38 | Fnord^ | # /z/tmus-ota/signed-kila-ota-116143-prereq.TC4-RC29.zip setup |
| 18:18.38 | Fnord^ | show_progress 0.1 1 |
| 18:18.38 | Fnord^ | #set_perm_recursive 0 0 0755 0644 SYSTEM: |
| 18:18.38 | Fnord^ | #set_perm_recursive 0 2000 0755 0755 SYSTEM:bin |
| 18:18.54 | Fnord^ | commenting out the last 2 lines -should- make it behave heh |
| 18:19.07 | Fnord^ | boot.img seems safe |
| 18:19.09 | spikebike | yeah |
| 18:19.19 | spikebike | what file is that in? |
| 18:19.36 | Fnord^ | the update-script |
| 18:20.21 | spikebike | cool |
| 18:20.22 | muthu | yo yo yo |
| 18:20.42 | spikebike | or even better |
| 18:21.32 | spikebike | set_perm 0 3004 04755 SYSTEM:bin/su |
| 18:21.52 | spikebike | so then you have to repackage |
| 18:21.53 | Fnord^ | yah |
| 18:21.56 | spikebike | then resign |
| 18:22.05 | Fnord^ | actually i've modded init.rc to make a few of those heh |
| 18:22.07 | spikebike | and of course put the sign key on the RC29 |
| 18:22.22 | spikebike | then sdcard update |
| 18:22.25 | Fnord^ | yup |
| 18:22.41 | Fnord^ | they also patched otacerts.zip...no clue how |
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| 18:24.05 | Fnord^ | but in theory using the modded recovery image, a resigned rc30, and those 2 changed lines should work |
| 18:24.19 | spikebike | I'd like to try something like that this weekend |
| 18:24.21 | Fnord^ | oh and a few more lines about recovery.img |
| 18:25.54 | Fnord^ | yeah |
| 18:25.57 | Fnord^ | i might |
| 18:26.05 | Fnord^ | or i'll wait to see what others have to say :P |
| 18:26.38 | Fnord^ | since my phone isn't insured...actually...i'm still within the 14 day return thing....so....hmmm |
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| 18:26.52 | Fnord^ | I might do it tonight |
| 18:27.31 | Fnord^ | Ideally a recovery image with personal keys would be best, google might start pushing updates with the test keys |
| 18:27.47 | Fnord^ | uh, nvm, i'm tired. |
| 18:27.52 | Fnord^ | ota != recovery img :P |
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| 18:29.36 | spikebike | actually |
| 18:30.04 | spikebike | -rw-r--r-- 1 bill bill 1765376 2008-11-03 09:34 system/recovery.img |
| 18:30.19 | spikebike | does look like the ota for rc30 does include a recovery img |
| 18:30.33 | Fnord^ | yeah |
| 18:30.53 | Fnord^ | gonna remove that from system/ and the update script |
| 18:31.45 | ionstorm | i hate this update notification |
| 18:31.48 | Fnord^ | and init.rc |
| 18:31.49 | Fnord^ | :P |
| 18:32.04 | ionstorm | i keep killin the proc and rming the file in cache |
| 18:32.15 | ionstorm | any other work around to prevent the update |
| 18:32.30 | Fnord^ | modify it |
| 18:32.45 | spikebike | how about just an /etc/hosts entry blocking the host |
| 18:32.55 | andyross | Someone on xda claimed that removing the Updater application worked. |
| 18:33.14 | ionstorm | word |
| 18:33.16 | andyross | Or maybe making the cache directory read only? |
| 18:33.24 | ionstorm | yea I suggested that last night |
| 18:33.45 | ionstorm | i made a symbolic link in place of the file and the updater removed it |
| 18:34.02 | ionstorm | i was thinking of chattr +i but its not supported with yaffs2 |
| 18:34.38 | wastrel | hi i am doing the update |
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| 18:34.44 | wastrel | got sick of it asking me |
| 18:34.48 | andyross | chattr is an ext2 thing. chmod doesn't work? |
| 18:34.55 | haxi | http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/08/1720246 ouch |
| 18:34.57 | spikebike | chmod 000 doesn't |
| 18:35.01 | ionstorm | chmod doesnt |
| 18:35.09 | ionstorm | i tried chmod 0000 thefile |
| 18:35.29 | wastrel | rc30 yup yup |
| 18:35.34 | Fnord^ | http://ar.fnord.to/patch.diff |
| 18:35.36 | ionstorm | no r00t 4 u |
| 18:35.39 | Fnord^ | and remove recovery.img from update |
| 18:36.05 | wastrel | reboot didn't work from the dialler |
| 18:36.16 | spikebike | best tried just after a boot |
| 18:37.33 | ionstorm | im just going to delete /system/app/Updater.apk,odex |
| 18:37.37 | ionstorm | or rename em |
| 18:38.02 | Fnord^ | of course you need a setuid shell in /system/bin. further mods are needed to allow them in /data |
| 18:39.36 | Fnord^ | the console thing is actually not that bad, compared to a telnetd with rootprivs |
| 18:40.08 | Fnord^ | i don't think jailed apps can type on the console...they could, however, spawn telnetd and open a socket to that port |
| 18:40.30 | ionstorm | why is /cache needed? |
| 18:40.42 | spikebike | well telnetd only worked because of the console bug |
| 18:40.45 | ionstorm | why not just unmount /cache |
| 18:41.00 | ionstorm | or remount /cache readonly |
| 18:41.38 | Fnord^ | hmmm |
| 18:41.45 | Fnord^ | i think cache is used for other stuff? |
| 18:42.03 | ionstorm | if we had lsof compiled for arm that would tell us |
| 18:42.16 | ionstorm | it pisses me off lsof isnt in busybox |
| 18:42.25 | Fnord^ | lemme try |
| 18:42.44 | Fnord^ | i've got glibc on mine, makes things easier. busybox can resolve hosts :P |
| 18:43.44 | rreck | can anyone tell me the name of the package management tool in OSX? |
| 18:43.53 | andyross | You don't need lsof. /proc/<pid>/fd contains symlinks to open files |
| 18:44.29 | ionstorm | yea |
| 18:44.43 | ionstorm | lsof just makes it easier |
| 18:45.54 | andyross | The update hasn't been pushed to my phone yet. Gotta decide on a prophylactic myself... |
| 18:46.11 | offby1 | backs away slowly |
| 18:46.16 | offby1 | I think you want #drugstore |
| 18:46.23 | wastrel | i did the update |
| 18:46.26 | andyross | Or #dictionary |
| 18:46.41 | ttuttle | <3 #android. |
| 18:47.33 | offby1 | and we wub you, too |
| 18:47.42 | ttuttle | =D |
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| 18:50.46 | Fnord^ | http://n1.fnord.to/g1/lsof |
| 18:50.58 | Fnord^ | http://n1.fnord.to/g1/lsof.static <--if you didn't put glibc in /lib |
| 18:53.15 | spikebike | odh |
| 18:53.18 | Fnord^ | regarding update nags, what about mkdir /cache/update.zip ? |
| 18:53.21 | spikebike | JesusFreke got locked out |
| 18:53.27 | Fnord^ | yeah i saw =[ |
| 18:53.29 | spikebike | it's downloaded as er |
| 18:53.48 | spikebike | signed-RC30-from-RC29-fat.1582cace.zip |
| 18:53.54 | spikebike | it land in cache as that |
| 18:53.55 | Fnord^ | or mkfifo hmm...wonder how it would react to that |
| 18:54.50 | spikebike | so you going to post some keys and an image with that diff? |
| 18:55.06 | spikebike | doesn't recovery.img need a similar diff/rebuild? |
| 18:55.28 | andyross | A direct download link got posted to xda. Sadly R30 is a bunch of patch files, not a simple tree of files. So someone needs to manually generate a tree if we want an "R30-like" phone with root access. It touches a bunch of files, more than the simple console bug. |
| 18:56.14 | andyross | FWIW, I just yanked the Updater application and rebooted. The phone didn't brick, so I presume it worked. |
| 18:56.32 | Fnord^ | Well from what I can tell you need to modify 2 lines in the script, and have setuid shell in /system |
| 18:57.15 | andyross | Sure, that's how to root R29. I was talking about duplicating the (presumptively useful) changes in all the other packages. |
| 18:57.23 | Fnord^ | it doesn't fitz with much in /system/bin |
| 18:57.45 | spikebike | well ideall we would get an rc30 phone that allowed root, and kept root even if you recovered |
| 18:58.15 | geist | 1. get root 2. ? |
| 18:58.19 | Fnord^ | Hmm |
| 18:58.37 | ahaberlacho | geist : 3. profit! |
| 18:58.45 | geist | i guess |
| 19:00.14 | ITechJunkie | Hey guys, quick question. I'm wanting to get into learning how to develop for Android. Besides google's documentation, where are a couple of good places to learn that stuff? |
| 19:00.39 | Fnord^ | i need the syntax for 'concat' in the recovery file |
| 19:00.48 | Fnord^ | err, program |
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| 19:04.42 | Fnord^ | andyross, http://n1.fnord.to/patch.diff |
| 19:05.11 | Fnord^ | then it will automagically self-root on recovery, too :P |
| 19:06.27 | spikebike | er how's that? |
| 19:06.38 | spikebike | that looks like it will self-root on update |
| 19:06.54 | spikebike | but recovery.img will still be installed |
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| 19:08.09 | Fnord^ | nope |
| 19:08.10 | MikHel | Hello! |
| 19:08.17 | Fnord^ | just take it out of the zip |
| 19:08.40 | spikebike | right, but if you that it still doesn't self-root |
| 19:08.46 | spikebike | it just has a root bug |
| 19:08.52 | Fnord^ | clarify? |
| 19:08.59 | MikHel | How do I deploy an ap to my G1 phone? I read something about using tomcat, but I am missing details.... |
| 19:10.05 | Fnord^ | assuming the modified recovery.img is still installed, that's what would be used to install this. r30 attempts to replace the recovery.img, and boot.img. I just disabled the former, and cleaned up the permissions shenanigans |
| 19:10.59 | Fnord^ | boot.img is safe from what I can tell, though I'd like to customize it |
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| 19:11.26 | Fnord^ | I just dunno what happens when you mkimage with a kernel that has trailing null chars at the end |
| 19:11.39 | michaelnovakjr__ | MikHel: http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#developingondevicehardware |
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| 19:12.22 | spikebike | so the patch results in an rc30 like update that doesn't include recovery.img right? |
| 19:12.26 | ahaberlacho | MikHel : Have you written the app? |
| 19:12.34 | ahaberlacho | You can either upload it to the Android market so people can easily install it, |
| 19:12.54 | Fnord^ | spikebike, nor the removal of setuid shells, yeah |
| 19:12.55 | ahaberlacho | Or you can put it up on a website and tell people to hit the setting for "allow apps from other sources" and give them your URL. |
| 19:13.01 | ttuttle | Hey, my phone just crashed (rebooted to the Android logo) while I was on a call, and the call kept going! |
| 19:13.14 | offby1 | ttuttle: huh |
| 19:13.16 | MikHel | michaelnovakjr__: I saw that but adb devices does not show my device, so I thought I'd try to just get it to my phone some other way |
| 19:13.18 | michaelnovakjr__ | now that's a restart! |
| 19:13.19 | Fnord^ | i'm wanting to make a custom recovery.img that has a setuid root shell |
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| 19:13.25 | offby1 | other than the "call kept going" part, I've experience that |
| 19:13.26 | ttuttle | Not surprising -- it's two different CPUs. |
| 19:13.29 | offby1 | experienced |
| 19:13.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | MikHel: what OS are you on? |
| 19:13.35 | MikHel | ahaberlacho: I have an ap, but want to test it. |
| 19:13.45 | MikHel | michaelnovakjr__: kubuntu 8.10 |
| 19:13.46 | spikebike | so if I copy the keys and then do the update to an RC29 phone I get an RC30 with a self-suid, but the recovery will revert me to a rc29 with the usual bugs |
| 19:14.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | did you setup the machine properly MikHel ? |
| 19:14.14 | ahaberlacho | MikHel : You probably need to set up your /etc/udev.d rules to recognize the device. |
| 19:14.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | MikHel: ^^ yes |
| 19:14.24 | ahaberlacho | Then you can pretty easily have Eclipse or adb push apps to the device for testing. |
| 19:14.36 | Fnord^ | if anyone knows about mkbootimg i have a question :P |
| 19:14.44 | spikebike | or even just post it so folks can click on it in a browser |
| 19:15.06 | ahaberlacho | Search http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html for 'udev' |
| 19:15.22 | Fnord^ | spikebike, yeah i'm guessing so |
| 19:15.43 | Fnord^ | rc29 recovery.img won't play nice with rc30? |
| 19:15.55 | MikHel | michaelnovakjr__, ahaberlacho: I did setup the /etc/udev.d and that seems to be right... When I plug the phone in the USB port, the phone says it has been connected and I can make my Linux box mount the filesystem on the memory card... |
| 19:16.19 | Fnord^ | hm |
| 19:16.20 | MikHel | I was surprised to see that I need to trigger the mount from the phone :D |
| 19:16.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | did you execute the chmod on it? |
| 19:16.38 | spikebike | fnord I suspect it would be find you'd just have to reapply your rc30 udpate |
| 19:16.39 | Fnord^ | since the rc30 update isn't a full update it wouldn't be good for recovery |
| 19:16.44 | Fnord^ | yeah |
| 19:16.48 | ahaberlacho | MikHel : yeah, but does 'adb devices' show your device? |
| 19:16.59 | ahaberlacho | You might try 'adb restart' and then do it again. |
| 19:17.17 | ahaberlacho | And permissions can sometimes be an issue (if you start adb as one user and then try to connect as another) |
| 19:17.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea, kill the server |
| 19:17.24 | ahaberlacho | adb _should_ show you any emulators running, as well. |
| 19:17.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes |
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| 19:18.09 | MikHel | ahaberlacho: OK Let me check the permissions. |
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| 19:19.23 | MikHel | ahaberlacho: I did change the permissions and still no go. |
| 19:21.55 | saurik | anyone willing to send me /proc/config.gz from RC2[89]? |
| 19:23.13 | MikHel | Have you guys seen: http://mrjabba.blogspot.com/2008/10/i-bought-my-g1-phone-today.html |
| 19:23.41 | MikHel | It explains how to serve a app to the G1, but I know nothing about tomcat and it is missing too many steps.... |
| 19:24.03 | spikebike | there's not any magic to provide an app |
| 19:24.10 | spikebike | apache hosting a normal fine is fine |
| 19:24.19 | spikebike | eclipse is java based IDE that makes it easy as well |
| 19:24.40 | MikHel | spikebike: That did not work for me. I went through signing it and all but it fails installing. |
| 19:25.30 | MikHel | spikebike: How about if I simply copy the .apk file to the SD card? But then I have no idea where it will appear on my system. |
| 19:25.37 | ahaberlacho | The only complication is that sometimes the MIME type served up confuses the device. |
| 19:25.55 | ahaberlacho | But I think Apache works out-of-the-box. |
| 19:26.02 | MikHel | ahaberlacho: How do I make sure the mime type is correct? |
| 19:26.09 | ahaberlacho | Oh, so it's getting to the device and then failing with a signing error? |
| 19:26.20 | ahaberlacho | Then you don't need to worry about tomcat or apache, they're doing the right thing. |
| 19:26.25 | ahaberlacho | Can you show us the error? |
| 19:26.27 | MikHel | ahaberlacho: It does not say anything about signing error. |
| 19:26.39 | MikHel | ahaberlacho: OK Let me try it again. |
| 19:26.56 | MikHel | will take me a minute to set it up again. |
| 19:27.50 | spikebike | fnord where is the key on my rc29 phone so I can accept a self signed rc30 tweaked update? |
| 19:28.24 | ahaberlacho | MikHel : And did you change the configuration in Settings > Applications > Unknown Sources? |
| 19:28.35 | ahaberlacho | By default the phone doesn't trust the Internets for applications. |
| 19:30.10 | Fnord^ | saurik, one sec |
| 19:31.04 | Fnord^ | saurik, http://n1.fnord.to/config.gz |
| 19:31.11 | Fnord^ | spikebike, in the recovery image |
| 19:31.32 | saurik | Fnord^: 404 |
| 19:31.34 | Fnord^ | spikebike, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443041 |
| 19:32.11 | Fnord^ | saurik, retry |
| 19:32.20 | saurik | still 404 :( |
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| 19:32.40 | Fnord^ | saurik, http://n1.fnord.to/g1/config.gz <--oops |
| 19:32.55 | saurik | yay, thanks! ;P |
| 19:33.14 | MikHel | ahaberlacho: Yeah I did that. So I downloaded and it is fine. |
| 19:33.15 | Fnord^ | rolling your own kernel? |
| 19:33.27 | MikHel | ahaberlacho: Then I try to install it. |
| 19:33.54 | MikHel | It says "Allow this application to:" |
| 19:33.59 | Fnord^ | saurik, if you are, could you put up tun.ko somewhere? |
| 19:34.02 | MikHel | "No permission required" |
| 19:34.06 | ahaberlacho | Ah, so the device is at least getting the package and trying to install it? You probably want to do an 'adb logcat' and watch for any error messages. |
| 19:34.12 | MikHel | so it looks good so far. |
| 19:34.27 | ahaberlacho | There might be some kind of jave or class incompatibility that's making it cough and choke. Or maybe even a bug! |
| 19:34.27 | MikHel | I hit "install" |
| 19:34.35 | saurik | Fnord^: I already did last night so I could get ext2.ko and unionfs.ko (I wrote a guide on installing debian on the g1: http://www.saurik.com/id/10) |
| 19:34.38 | Fnord^ | Wanting to try to get openvpn on this |
| 19:34.50 | MikHel | Then it says "Application install unsuccessful" |
| 19:34.56 | saurik | Fnord^: sure; I'll give you the driver in a second (and then I bet with my instructions you can just apt-get install the other parts you need) |
| 19:34.56 | MikHel | That's all |
| 19:34.59 | Fnord^ | hah, nice! |
| 19:35.09 | MikHel | And I cannot do a logcat since adb does not see the device.... |
| 19:35.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | MikHel: is there a version on the phone of the app already? |
| 19:35.23 | ahaberlacho | Oh yeah. Suck. Sounds like you should solve that problem first, then. :( |
| 19:36.02 | MikHel | michaelnovakjr__ well yeah, I tried to install it before, so it warns me it will replace it and I say yes |
| 19:36.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | MikHel: what do you see when you run adb devices? |
| 19:36.31 | MikHel | List of devices attached |
| 19:36.39 | Fnord^ | saurik, got rc30 ? |
| 19:36.42 | MikHel | emulator-5554 device |
| 19:36.46 | MikHel | And that's it. |
| 19:36.49 | ahaberlacho | Hmm. We use Ubuntu-ish stuff at work, so there shouldn't be any big surprises there (I'm not sure how different kubuntu is) |
| 19:36.56 | spikebike | hrm, so no way to upadte my phone without tweaking the recovery image? I was hoping to leave recovery virgin till I updated the main part of the phone |
| 19:37.02 | ahaberlacho | And you said that you can mount the sdcard, so you're at least getting USB connectivity. |
| 19:37.14 | MikHel | Yeah I can mount the sdcard |
| 19:37.18 | ahaberlacho | And you say you've got /etc/udev set up right and you've restated adb. |
| 19:37.45 | Fnord^ | spikebike, nope. recovery.img:/sbin/recovery has a cert check built in |
| 19:37.50 | ahaberlacho | I'm at home so I don't have a Linux box to see what the 'dmesg' output is when I plug in a device, so I cannot easily compare that. |
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| 19:38.08 | ahaberlacho | "Have you rebooted the computer?" :) |
| 19:38.19 | ahaberlacho | reverts to last-ditch tech support response. |
| 19:38.28 | MikHel | But what is weird is that I only see a /dev/sdb and no /dev/sdb1 until I hit on the phone "mount SD card" |
| 19:38.33 | saurik | Fnord^: no; I'm using rc19 |
| 19:38.39 | saurik | (I /just/ bought the phone) |
| 19:38.39 | MikHel | ahaberlacho: LOL yes I have.... |
| 19:38.41 | Fnord^ | Ahhh |
| 19:38.46 | Fnord^ | Don't get 30! |
| 19:38.52 | saurik | yeah, I know well ;P |
| 19:39.02 | Fnord^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.05 | ahaberlacho | Yeah. Until you hit "Mount SD Card", it will publish an "empty" mass storage device. When you select mount, it actually starts acting like you've got media in it. |
| 19:39.08 | saurik | already did that |
| 19:39.11 | Fnord^ | erm otakeys. something. ok |
| 19:39.40 | MikHel | ahaberlacho: Which ubuntu do you have? |
| 19:39.48 | ahaberlacho | I use a Hardy varient at work. |
| 19:40.03 | MikHel | I have intrepid. |
| 19:40.12 | MikHel | Used the hardy udev config. |
| 19:40.19 | MikHel | I think udev should not have changed. |
| 19:40.30 | ahaberlacho | Hmm -- I wonder if there are different udev rules. They changed between Gutsy and Hardy. |
| 19:40.49 | MikHel | The mount would not work before I did the change... so I am presuming the change is correct. |
| 19:41.53 | MikHel | ahaberlacho: Do you have the dmesg output when you plug the phone in? We could compare. |
| 19:43.29 | ahaberlacho | Is http://ioerror.livejournal.com/495454.html any help? |
| 19:44.12 | spikebike | hrm fnord so update from RC29->rc30 does a signature check from a key inside the recovery.img? |
| 19:45.34 | ttuttle | spikebike: OTA updates always have their signature checked. |
| 19:45.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | MikHel: i'm on hardy and i've got the hardy udev line in there and it works |
| 19:46.16 | spikebike | ya, but this isn't ota, and the ota key is in /system/etc/otacerts |
| 19:46.29 | spikebike | I was hoping I could just overwrite the certs file and then do an update |
| 19:46.31 | saurik | Fnord^: to verify, I turned on IP tunneling and ended up with tunnel4.ko and ipip.ko; is that what you want? |
| 19:47.19 | spikebike | I'm trying to protect against bricking by leaving the recovery partition virgin |
| 19:47.26 | MikHel | michaelnovakjr__: what does dmesg print when you plug the phone? |
| 19:47.47 | MikHel | ahaberlacho: Tried those udev settings and no difference. |
| 19:47.59 | Fnord^ | saurik, hmmm no, it's tun.ko which openvpn uses |
| 19:48.31 | Fnord^ | spikebike, and yeah it's actually the recovery app in recovery.img that does keycheck |
| 19:48.51 | ahaberlacho | Sorry, I gotta run -- I suspect that it's either due to slightly different udev or permisions for Intrepid, but I'm not sure where to go from here. |
| 19:48.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | it recognized the HTC Android Phone |
| 19:48.57 | ahaberlacho | Good luck, though. |
| 19:48.59 | Fnord^ | only way to get a safe rc30 is to reflash recovery.img with one that allows other keys |
| 19:49.14 | MikHel | ahaberlacho: Thanks. |
| 19:49.39 | michaelnovakjr__ | MikHel: run the chmod a+rx /etc/udev/rules.d/50-android.rules |
| 19:49.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | again |
| 19:50.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | also, do you have USB debugging selected in the phone settingsA? |
| 19:51.17 | spikebike | fnord unfortunate |
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| 19:52.41 | spikebike | so now we need two pieces |
| 19:53.03 | spikebike | a recovery.img that has new keys and does not detroy suids |
| 19:53.13 | spikebike | and then an update that does the same thing |
| 19:53.16 | Fnord^ | yup |
| 19:53.51 | MikHel | michaelnovakjr__: USB debugging? No... |
| 19:54.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | that might explain it : |
| 19:54.28 | neerhaj | http://www.modmygphone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5181 |
| 19:54.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | on your phone go to settings .... applications... development and select the USB debugging option |
| 19:55.02 | Fnord^ | The recovery.img is already done, and I think what I've done so far makes the update safe |
| 19:55.48 | spikebike | ya, your patch looked good |
| 19:56.46 | Fnord^ | I'm not clear on the stuff in META though |
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| 19:57.30 | Fnord^ | oh, signapk fixes that |
| 19:57.55 | spikebike | http://www.saurik.com/id/10 |
| 19:58.26 | MikHel | michaelnovakjr__: You must be right, but now the /dev/sdb does not even stay there... :( |
| 19:58.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | disconnect and connect again |
| 19:58.54 | michaelnovakjr__ | then run adb devices |
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| 19:59.44 | MikHel | michaelnovakjr__: Should I not select the "mount" if I have the debug on? What dmesg shows is: VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdb |
| 19:59.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | it shouldn't matter |
| 20:00.00 | KNY | MikHel, mounting works with debugging |
| 20:00.09 | KNY | (on Hardy anyway, haven't tried intrepid) |
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| 20:00.38 | MikHel | ARGHHH /dev/sdb disappears... |
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| 20:00.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | can you pastebin your android.rules file |
| 20:01.46 | alansj | I got a custom boot splash screen working: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2879899#post2879899 |
| 20:02.01 | saurik | Fnord^: ok, I figured out I needed "universal tun/tap drivers" http://cache.saurik.com/android/2.6.25-01843-gfea26b0/drivers/net/tun.ko |
| 20:02.23 | MikHel | Yeah! I got it :D |
| 20:02.50 | Fnord^ | saurik, :D thanks! |
| 20:02.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | MikHel: what did you do? |
| 20:03.24 | MikHel | I guess the other file that ahaberlacho had pointed to is what screwed the /dev/sdb |
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| 20:03.45 | MikHel | michaelnovakjr__: I went back to the udev config from the google android page. |
| 20:04.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | MikHel: typo in it? |
| 20:04.08 | KNY | MikHel, so the Hardy one works? |
| 20:04.17 | MikHel | KNY: Yes it does work |
| 20:04.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea, i just set it up on another computer and it worked first time |
| 20:04.36 | KNY | good! I was going to upgrade next week but you made me reconsider :) |
| 20:04.49 | michaelnovakjr__ | KNY: 8.10 is great |
| 20:05.01 | michaelnovakjr__ | i have it on my desktop and laptop now.... haven't had any problems at all |
| 20:05.01 | Fnord^ | hmm |
| 20:05.05 | MikHel | michaelnovakjr__: I think it is totally wrong. But I am not going to investigate. Now it works for me :) |
| 20:05.09 | KNY | michaelnovakjr__, I'm going to install it in a VM before I do it on my dev machine |
| 20:05.13 | Fnord^ | looking at your page, saurik, i might end up doing the same |
| 20:05.22 | michaelnovakjr__ | drivers all work and everything.... my printing and network drives all work as well |
| 20:05.29 | Fnord^ | or at least similar, regarding loopmounted fs image on sd card |
| 20:05.49 | Fnord^ | [root@n1 ~]# insmod ./tun.ko |
| 20:05.49 | Fnord^ | insmod: error inserting './tun.ko': -1 Invalid module format |
| 20:05.56 | saurik | fno: dmesg? |
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| 20:06.39 | Fnord^ | saurik, user error. it's not compiled right for a xeon box :P |
| 20:06.45 | saurik | LOL |
| 20:07.00 | saurik | once everything is running Unix I swear I am going to start telling my server to remotely make me toast or something |
| 20:07.09 | saurik | keeps making similar mistakes |
| 20:07.33 | saurik | I have my iPhone setup almost identically to my primary server at this point and I accidentally told the wrong one to reboot once |
| 20:07.45 | ttuttle | saurik: have you seen HTCPCP? |
| 20:07.53 | saurik | ttuttle: of course ;P |
| 20:08.01 | ttuttle | saurik: heh |
| 20:10.10 | MikHel | michaelnovakjr__ Thanks for the help :) |
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| 20:10.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | no problem :) |
| 20:10.45 | MikHel | michaelnovakjr__: Do you do a lot of android development? |
| 20:10.55 | dsargeant | Has anyone been able to attach the sdk source to a project in eclipse (ubuntu)? I created a 'sources' folder in my sdk folder and symlinked to the source directories in android but eclipse doesn't attach the source. According to the build path, Eclipse seems to be looking in home/.../sources instead of /home/.../sources (missing root /). |
| 20:11.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea, i've been programming on android for just about a year now |
| 20:11.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | basically since the first public release |
| 20:11.44 | Fnord^ | hmph busybox requires a modules.dep.bb |
| 20:11.50 | MikHel | michaelnovakjr__: Cool. Well I only started a month ago. So maybe you can help :) Have you done any OpenGL apps? |
| 20:12.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | i messed with OpenGL a little bit, currently i'm working on an IRC client for android |
| 20:12.30 | spikebike | java or native? |
| 20:12.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | spikebike: ... |
| 20:13.10 | MikHel | michaelnovakjr__: OpenGL performance is terrible! |
| 20:13.20 | spikebike | (the irc client) |
| 20:13.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | spikebike: it's being written in java |
| 20:13.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | i've got it working quite well so far on the network side |
| 20:14.02 | saurik | Fnord^: like, to compile or to run? |
| 20:14.08 | saurik | Fnord^: or do you mean its insmod |
| 20:14.13 | Fnord^ | yeah |
| 20:14.22 | Fnord^ | open("/etc/modules/./tun.ko", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 11 |
| 20:14.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | spikebike: i've run the client on edge and its been response |
| 20:14.31 | saurik | ah, yeah; the one that comes on the G1 works fine, though |
| 20:14.36 | Fnord^ | lstat64("./modules.dep.bb", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 |
| 20:14.40 | Fnord^ | write(2, "insmod: module \'./tun.ko\' not fo"..., 36insmod: module './tun.ko' not found |
| 20:14.52 | romainguy__ | MikHel: what's wrong with the OpenGL performance? |
| 20:15.03 | spikebike | michaelnovakjr__: heh, yeah, shouldn't be any worse than connectbot -> screen -> irssi |
| 20:15.18 | michaelnovakjr__ | its going to have a nice interface |
| 20:15.23 | ieatlint | just use telnet, spikebike |
| 20:15.33 | spikebike | shudders |
| 20:15.51 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 20:16.07 | MikHel | romainguy__: Very slow!!! But then maybe the example I used to base my work is not the right way to do it... |
| 20:16.39 | romainguy__ | define very slow |
| 20:16.41 | MikHel | I cannot believe that for some reason the OpenGL for mobiles got rid of v3* n3* etc.... |
| 20:16.47 | romainguy__ | on the phone? on the emulator? |
| 20:16.56 | romainguy__ | how complex is your scene? etc. |
| 20:17.35 | MikHel | romainguy__: Both on the phone and the emulator. My scene has 600 polygons and it only does about 5 frames/second |
| 20:17.49 | romainguy__ | then you must be doing something very wrong :) |
| 20:18.12 | MikHel | romainguy__: I figure... but I just worked based on the cube example. |
| 20:18.15 | romainguy__ | (I've played Quake at 30 fps on the phone; granted it was native code, but it displays tons of polygons and textures) |
| 20:18.41 | MikHel | romainguy__: The chip make says it should do up to 4 million polygons/sec |
| 20:18.59 | romainguy__ | then there's something very wrong in your code :) |
| 20:19.01 | MikHel | romainguy__: So I am sure I should be able to reach something good. But this is terrible! |
| 20:19.17 | spikebike | heh, do you have to do something to make sure it ends up in the right ram? |
| 20:19.22 | MikHel | romainguy__: I am sure there is :) But even the cube example is very slow! |
| 20:19.28 | spikebike | i.e. the 64 MB onchip, not the 128mb offship |
| 20:19.34 | romainguy__ | MikHel: what example are you talking about? |
| 20:19.40 | romainguy__ | is that the one with buttons on top of the cube? |
| 20:20.22 | MikHel | romainguy__: I'd have to dig it. It was published initially for m5 then did not work on sdk0.9 but I was able to make it work by changing the window creation actions |
| 20:20.41 | MikHel | romainguy__: Do you have a reasonable openGL source code example? |
| 20:20.43 | romainguy__ | why don't you start with the examples that ship with 1.0? |
| 20:20.49 | romainguy__ | yes |
| 20:20.59 | MikHel | romainguy__: Where are they? |
| 20:21.14 | romainguy__ | http://code.google.com/p/apps-for-android/source/browse/#svn/trunk/AndroidGlobalTime << rotating earth in 3d |
| 20:21.31 | alansj | is jriley60 from xda-developers in here? |
| 20:22.14 | Fnord^ | ok got it |
| 20:22.20 | Fnord^ | now to cross compile openvpn |
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| 20:26.24 | DarkriftX | hola everyone |
| 20:27.24 | spikebike | greetings |
| 20:28.55 | ttuttle | DarkriftX: hey |
| 20:29.12 | DarkriftX | how are things in the nonrooted android days :( |
| 20:29.22 | DarkriftX | any new developments spikebike ? |
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| 20:30.00 | spikebike | JesusFreke is locked out |
| 20:30.13 | alansj | yeah, that's a bummer... he was very helpful |
| 20:30.23 | DarkriftX | locked out how? |
| 20:30.42 | spikebike | as in appled rc30 |
| 20:30.53 | alansj | Theoretically phones in stock at tmo stores still have 19 or 29 installed on them, so if you get one and root it fast enough you could still have a rooted phone, right? |
| 20:30.53 | DarkriftX | ouch |
| 20:31.05 | DarkriftX | yes, but cannot do updates |
| 20:31.06 | spikebike | alan yes |
| 20:31.15 | DarkriftX | and the bug is pretty bad, so you wouldnt want to leave it as it is |
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| 20:31.18 | DarkriftX | needs some sort of patching |
| 20:31.22 | jriley60 | ah made it |
| 20:31.28 | alansj | DarkriftX: so there's still hope for you if you get a new phone |
| 20:31.33 | alansj | jriley60: welcome |
| 20:31.36 | alansj | let's fix your phone |
| 20:31.37 | jriley60 | alansj thanks |
| 20:31.40 | jriley60 | please |
| 20:31.44 | DarkriftX | it will be a while alansj my wife spends all my money |
| 20:31.53 | alansj | first thing you need is the update.zip for rc29, do you have that? |
| 20:31.59 | jriley60 | yes |
| 20:32.03 | spikebike | a couple of folks are building an RC30 that keeps suid shells |
| 20:32.09 | DarkriftX | cool |
| 20:32.37 | alansj | cool, so stick it on your sd card and boot up your phone while holding down power and home |
| 20:32.49 | Fnord^ | Yeah I'm nervously considering trying it |
| 20:32.56 | jriley60 | oh crap what i don't have i realize is an sd card reader |
| 20:33.00 | alansj | for reference, these are the boot modifiers: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Boot_Modifiers |
| 20:33.08 | alansj | ha, yeah now you have to go buy one... that's what happened to me yesterday |
| 20:33.13 | alansj | $15 at best buy |
| 20:33.15 | radix | michaelnovakjr__: Anywhere I should keep an eye out to know when you've got a release of your IRC client? |
| 20:33.31 | jriley60 | oh well i know what to do from there don't know why i didn't think of that |
| 20:33.33 | MikHel | romainguy__: I downloaded it and it does not compile. Seems to be for 0.9 |
| 20:33.48 | alansj | cool, good luck |
| 20:34.00 | alansj | and you should hang out in here with the other cool kids doing android hacking |
| 20:34.07 | jriley60 | everything was fin except i tried to replace the otacerts patch file with the one from 29 |
| 20:34.35 | jriley60 | if i hadn't i would've loaded 30 with the modded boot.img and recovery.img |
| 20:34.37 | jriley60 | possibly |
| 20:34.39 | DarkriftX | xda-devs going down again? |
| 20:34.42 | DarkriftX | taking like 1min to load pages |
| 20:34.52 | alansj | yeah, at the very least you should just delete the recovery.img from your update file |
| 20:35.05 | spikebike | ya |
| 20:35.15 | spikebike | and of course remove the suid removal |
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| 20:35.20 | jriley60 | i replaced the one in there with the one jesus freke made |
| 20:35.22 | spikebike | and probably the deleting of telnet |
| 20:35.32 | jriley60 | that was all i had done |
| 20:35.39 | MikHel | romainguy__: Do I need to download some extra packages? Like android.opengl ??? |
| 20:35.40 | jriley60 | i shouldn't have messed with that ota file |
| 20:35.49 | NetShadow | so, looks like the real reason telnetd trick worked for root access is the phantom shell, eh?\ |
| 20:35.53 | spikebike | jriley it shouldn't be a big deal |
| 20:35.55 | spikebike | just replace it |
| 20:36.02 | alansj | jriley60: did you already have your on-phone recovery image flashed with jesusfreakes? |
| 20:36.10 | jriley60 | yea |
| 20:36.17 | Fnord^ | jriley60, what happened with otacerts? |
| 20:36.34 | alansj | ah, so you were re-signing the .img with the test keys? |
| 20:36.45 | jriley60 | nothing im an idiot and tried to replace the one in 30 with the one in 29 and resign |
| 20:36.46 | jriley60 | yes |
| 20:36.50 | jriley60 | i was |
| 20:37.08 | alansj | er, re-sign the whole update I guess... not just an .img |
| 20:37.12 | Fnord^ | jriley60, why replace that? |
| 20:37.16 | jriley60 | yes |
| 20:37.23 | Fnord^ | yeah the entire thing needs to be, i think |
| 20:37.23 | jriley60 | i don't know i wasn't thinking clearly |
| 20:37.38 | Fnord^ | And -how- did that screw your phone? |
| 20:37.42 | spikebike | seems like lots of sleepless hackign is going on |
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| 20:38.34 | jriley60 | i'm not sure it went through the whole update then said failed otacerts something something |
| 20:38.40 | jriley60 | i didnt get to read it all |
| 20:38.45 | ionstorm | did it boot |
| 20:38.50 | jriley60 | no |
| 20:39.09 | jriley60 | i'm going to run and buy a reader and replace it with the original then reflash and see |
| 20:39.19 | jriley60 | ill be back in a few |
| 20:39.36 | Fnord^ | hrm |
| 20:39.37 | Damm | anyone actually gotten a copy of Rc30 yet? |
| 20:39.39 | Damm | to see what they did? |
| 20:39.43 | Fnord^ | yeah |
| 20:39.43 | spikebike | yes |
| 20:39.43 | DarkriftX | yes |
| 20:39.49 | Fnord^ | i'm about to make a post with what i've found |
| 20:39.52 | DarkriftX | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=OTA_Updates |
| 20:39.59 | DarkriftX | all are listed on there |
| 20:40.04 | spikebike | patches, remove telnet, and rewrite all perms (i.e. no suid) |
| 20:40.16 | spikebike | does not format /system |
| 20:40.17 | andyross | It also patches a bunch of unrelated files. |
| 20:40.26 | DarkriftX | Fnord^, feel free to add anything you know to that page :) |
| 20:40.57 | Damm | well telnetd was never suid |
| 20:41.15 | DarkriftX | we just got lucky with that |
| 20:41.16 | spikebike | right |
| 20:41.18 | Damm | ping was, and someone obtained root that way. |
| 20:41.22 | spikebike | no |
| 20:41.26 | Fnord^ | I'll do as soon as I know this is safe :P |
| 20:41.30 | DarkriftX | it actually didnt remove telnetd did it? |
| 20:41.31 | Damm | however, if you have copied telnetd to /sdcard |
| 20:41.35 | spikebike | ping is set gid |
| 20:41.37 | Damm | chmod +x it? |
| 20:41.41 | Fnord^ | yeah it does |
| 20:41.41 | Damm | ? |
| 20:41.46 | spikebike | telnet would work |
| 20:41.46 | Fnord^ | telnetd did not get you root |
| 20:41.47 | Damm | test it |
| 20:41.50 | spikebike | but it wouldn't get you root |
| 20:42.21 | Damm | i just wish there was a real changelog |
| 20:42.39 | spikebike | just download it |
| 20:42.45 | spikebike | it's pretty obvious |
| 20:43.05 | DarkriftX | wow, lots of ubuntu users in here lol |
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| 20:43.43 | andyross | The sdcard is noexec and nosuid, so copying the file won't work. |
| 20:44.12 | DarkriftX | how would someone get root with ping :S |
| 20:44.23 | DarkriftX | ping drop you out to a shell with certain params? |
| 20:44.26 | andyross | Buffer overflow, probably. |
| 20:44.29 | DarkriftX | i c |
| 20:44.34 | Damm | andyross, copy it like /tmp? and chmod it? |
| 20:45.25 | andyross | The problem is that none of the persistent storage allows suid binaries except /system, and that's read only. So a system updated to R30 simply can't be recovered without discovering a new hole (which is the point, after all). |
| 20:45.31 | Damm | sad part is rooting the G1 was trivial. I don't know why it would be such a big deal. |
| 20:45.41 | Fnord^ | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2880090#post2880090 |
| 20:46.22 | spikebike | -rwxr-sr-x root net_raw 26628 2008-08-01 05:00 ping |
| 20:46.22 | spikebike | -rwxr-sr-x root inet 5616 2008-08-01 05:00 netcfg |
| 20:46.32 | Fnord^ | yeah, not the same |
| 20:46.40 | spikebike | so I think you could copy sh to either and have it survive the rc30 upgrade |
| 20:46.51 | Damm | so here's a dumb thought |
| 20:46.52 | spikebike | but I don't think gid net_raw or inet is going to get you root |
| 20:46.58 | Damm | upgrading to rc30, will it nuke busybox etc that I installed? |
| 20:47.12 | Damm | or is rc30 only cleaning up the hole? |
| 20:47.12 | spikebike | not neccesarily |
| 20:47.26 | spikebike | it's only 4.5 MB it's mostly patches and a perm fix |
| 20:47.31 | andyross | spikebike: Ah, I see. Clobber a pre-existing suid binary with sh and hope the update doesn't touch it? That's clever. |
| 20:47.37 | spikebike | there's a recovery.img upgrade and a radio upgrade |
| 20:47.47 | Fnord^ | yeah busybox will be fine. just not setuid root |
| 20:47.58 | spikebike | right, but it's not suid it's sgid and not to root but to net_raw and inet |
| 20:48.04 | DarkriftX | wait |
| 20:48.13 | DarkriftX | if we have root, isnt there a way to make other stuff suid root? |
| 20:48.19 | spikebike | yes |
| 20:48.21 | Fnord^ | the thing resets -all- perms recursively in /system |
| 20:48.37 | spikebike | I'm not sure if it would find /system/.foo |
| 20:48.45 | DarkriftX | why couldnt we make a bunch of other stuid stuff that we know would not get hit by the update |
| 20:48.47 | Fnord^ | and it's boot.img (like the ones before) mount nosuid |
| 20:48.51 | DarkriftX | stuff we know woudl survive |
| 20:48.56 | Fnord^ | spikebike, i think so |
| 20:48.57 | DarkriftX | damn i cant type anymore |
| 20:49.14 | Fnord^ | darkhorse, the updater will reset all permissions |
| 20:49.22 | spikebike | the safest thing is to just take the update and recovery image, insert new keys and resign |
| 20:49.34 | DarkriftX | all permissions, or a lot of them? |
| 20:49.38 | DarkriftX | do we see that process? |
| 20:49.40 | Fnord^ | -all- |
| 20:49.41 | spikebike | all |
| 20:49.44 | Fnord^ | yeah |
| 20:49.45 | spikebike | yeah hold on |
| 20:50.16 | Fnord^ | +#set_perm_recursive 0 0 0755 0644 SYSTEM: |
| 20:50.17 | Fnord^ | +#set_perm_recursive 0 2000 0755 0755 SYSTEM:bin |
| 20:50.22 | spikebike | set_perm_recursive 0 0 0755 0644 SYSTEM: |
| 20:50.22 | spikebike | set_perm_recursive 0 2000 0755 0755 SYSTEM:bin |
| 20:50.24 | spikebike | heh |
| 20:50.24 | Fnord^ | :P |
| 20:50.31 | DarkriftX | can that be stopped? |
| 20:50.44 | Fnord^ | yeah add a # at the start of line |
| 20:50.45 | DarkriftX | or could we make a duplicate of system? |
| 20:50.53 | Fnord^ | nope |
| 20:50.57 | DarkriftX | is there any room anywhere for an extra partition? |
| 20:51.00 | ttuttle | DarkriftX: no |
| 20:51.00 | Fnord^ | system is a volume |
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| 20:51.01 | DarkriftX | wait, would be no way to mount it |
| 20:51.25 | Fnord^ | just stick set_perm 0 2000 4755 SYSTEM:bin/sh |
| 20:51.25 | Fnord^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.27 | DarkriftX | what about making /data setuid |
| 20:51.33 | spikebike | one thought I had |
| 20:51.41 | andyross | Has anyone tried simply unpacking the zip and running a (modified) update-script? Seems like that's the simplest way to get to a rooted R30 without messing with signing packages or your recovery partition. |
| 20:52.03 | Fnord^ | DarkriftX, you'd need to extract the rc30 boot.img, and the initramfs, and modify init.rc to not use nosuid flag |
| 20:52.06 | DarkriftX | andyross, the script is signed also |
| 20:52.18 | spikebike | right |
| 20:52.27 | spikebike | and ideally init.rc would create a suid shell |
| 20:52.32 | Fnord^ | what you need is the modified recovery.img |
| 20:52.33 | andyross | Not with the recovery tool, just run it in userspace with a rw system. |
| 20:52.36 | MikHel | romainguy__: I cannot find a SINGLE OpenGL sample that compiles!!! |
| 20:52.44 | romainguy__ | MikHel: what SDK are you using? |
| 20:52.55 | Fnord^ | you know what... |
| 20:52.59 | Fnord^ | that gave me an idea |
| 20:53.04 | DarkriftX | ideas are good |
| 20:53.05 | Fnord^ | just rewrite the bloody script |
| 20:53.09 | andyross | MikHel: the ApiDemos have some examples. The OpenGL ones are kind of a mess, but they worked for me. |
| 20:53.10 | DarkriftX | oh |
| 20:53.17 | Fnord^ | so you can run it as a shell script in busybox |
| 20:53.22 | Fnord^ | BUT |
| 20:53.25 | andyross | Yeah, that's what I was thinking. |
| 20:53.33 | Fnord^ | I dunno what those binpatches will do if things are running |
| 20:53.35 | DarkriftX | we are trying to find somethign that doesnt involve messign with the script and would survive the standard rc30 installation |
| 20:53.42 | Fnord^ | the system may explode |
| 20:53.59 | DarkriftX | explode = !good |
| 20:53.59 | Fnord^ | there's no surviving standard rc30 |
| 20:54.06 | andyross | It might, but as long as you don't reboot you'll still have a shell open and can recover. Just keep a copy somewhere of the unpatched versions. |
| 20:54.09 | DarkriftX | then we are wasting time |
| 20:54.14 | spikebike | Yeah I think the safest thing to do is take a standarc RC29 with a suid script |
| 20:54.17 | Damm | DarkriftX, ... I wish you'd get a G1, then you can find out for yourself. |
| 20:54.23 | DarkriftX | modifying rc30 isnt something lots of ppl can do |
| 20:54.25 | DarkriftX | me too Damm |
| 20:54.26 | MikHel | romainguy__: SDK 1 |
| 20:54.35 | spikebike | then make a new update and a new recovery img signed with a new key |
| 20:54.42 | Damm | my old idea was to make a yaffs2 image with whatever you wanted on it |
| 20:54.48 | Damm | and then setup the init files to mount it at bootup |
| 20:54.48 | MikHel | andyross: Really? They must have gotten fixed since I last looked. |
| 20:54.57 | Damm | I imagine RC30 wacks the init scripts |
| 20:55.08 | Fnord^ | yup it reflashes boot.img |
| 20:55.12 | Damm | actually let me look |
| 20:55.17 | Damm | Fnord^, k |
| 20:55.22 | ionstorm | how is everyone preventing the ota update? renaming otacerts? |
| 20:55.22 | andyross | MikHel: Dunno. I was just building the SDK sample directory. I don't remember having to make any changes. |
| 20:55.23 | Fnord^ | it's boot.img is safe tho. |
| 20:55.29 | Fnord^ | ionstorm, yup |
| 20:55.37 | DarkriftX | i wish google would make the mount look for a specific filename on boot and mount it for you. so you could write your own img with whatever you wanted in it and be able to run it etc |
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| 20:55.57 | andyross | ionstorm: I went with "remove /system/app/Updater.*" and it hasn't offererd it. Dunno what else I might have broken, but the phone still works. |
| 20:56.12 | Fnord^ | hmm |
| 20:56.14 | spikebike | I'd never rm |
| 20:56.15 | *** join/#android BBHoss (n=bbhoss@c-68-62-170-33.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 20:56.18 | ionstorm | rename |
| 20:56.19 | ionstorm | lol |
| 20:56.21 | Fnord^ | yeah just mv |
| 20:56.25 | neekers | are there problems with the update that took place on the G1? |
| 20:56.31 | DarkriftX | andyross, id think it would be safer to change your hosts file to make the update domain point to localhost |
| 20:56.32 | andyross | I kept a copy. But yeah, I removed it. |
| 20:56.45 | DarkriftX | yes neekers, they take away root :( |
| 20:56.49 | ionstorm | id rather do the hosts file thing, but does that work |
| 20:56.50 | Fnord^ | anyway there's someone saying he screwed his system with rc30 update...that's worrysome |
| 20:56.56 | *** join/#android kslater (n=kslater@206.193.247.78.nauticom.net) |
| 20:56.57 | DarkriftX | i would think so ionstorm |
| 20:56.57 | ionstorm | what is the update host for the host file |
| 20:57.05 | DarkriftX | erm..... |
| 20:57.30 | DarkriftX | android.clients.google.com 127.0.0.1 (i think) |
| 20:57.37 | Fnord^ | but i have warranty, and 7 days left in my trial...so hmmm.... |
| 20:57.38 | DarkriftX | miht have it backwards |
| 20:57.47 | ttuttle | DarkriftX: yes, it's $ip $host. |
| 20:57.48 | DarkriftX | i rarely hand edit hosts file |
| 20:57.51 | DarkriftX | ok |
| 20:57.52 | ionstorm | yea backwards |
| 20:57.52 | DarkriftX | so |
| 20:57.58 | ionstorm | its cool |
| 20:58.00 | DarkriftX | 127.0.0.1 android.clients.google.com |
| 20:58.06 | ionstorm | sure thats the host? |
| 20:58.33 | spikebike | ot |
| 20:58.38 | spikebike | it's easy to check |
| 20:58.48 | spikebike | I am not at all sure /etc/host is checked before a name lookup |
| 20:58.56 | DarkriftX | https://android.clients.google.com/updates/signed-kila-ota-115247-prereq.TC4-RC19+RC28.zip |
| 20:58.58 | DarkriftX | yes its the host |
| 20:59.29 | DarkriftX | i am NOT sure it will work, but in theory it should |
| 20:59.30 | Damm | that's where you can download it, but as far as the phone |
| 20:59.31 | Damm | *shrug* |
| 20:59.39 | Damm | knowing it comes from someone who doesn't own a G1 |
| 20:59.39 | DarkriftX | that should make the dl link fail |
| 20:59.42 | Damm | I wouldn't take his word for it |
| 20:59.57 | DarkriftX | lol, you have to own a g1 to know about computers? |
| 21:00.06 | DarkriftX | host files have been there since win3.1 buddy |
| 21:00.13 | ttuttle | DarkriftX: No, but it helps to own a G1 to know where the G1 gets its updates. |
| 21:00.15 | Damm | DarkriftX, ... that wasn't my point |
| 21:00.31 | DarkriftX | ttuttle, i know where it gets them, i have a whole wiki page with all the urls |
| 21:00.36 | ttuttle | DarkriftX: oh? |
| 21:00.40 | ttuttle | DarkriftX: can I see? |
| 21:00.41 | DarkriftX | and ive downloaded adn hosted every file so far |
| 21:00.44 | Damm | my point is why is someone acting like they know alot about Android... when all they have is the damned emulator. |
| 21:00.46 | DarkriftX | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=OTA_Updates |
| 21:01.10 | DarkriftX | Damm, we arent playign with android, we are playing with linux |
| 21:01.16 | DarkriftX | and i have some knowledge there |
| 21:01.30 | DarkriftX | android is more the upper layer |
| 21:01.31 | spikebike | best thing to do is just delete the file |
| 21:01.31 | ionstorm | this should work: |
| 21:01.32 | ionstorm | # mount -o remount,rw -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system |
| 21:01.32 | ionstorm | # cat >>hosts |
| 21:01.32 | ionstorm | 127.0.0.1 android.clients.google.com |
| 21:01.32 | ionstorm | ^C |
| 21:01.33 | spikebike | edit /etc/hosts |
| 21:01.39 | spikebike | and ask for an update |
| 21:01.42 | Fnord^ | ^D not ^C |
| 21:01.57 | DarkriftX | ^c will cancel the change |
| 21:02.01 | ionstorm | ^c worked |
| 21:02.06 | ionstorm | no it worked |
| 21:02.06 | DarkriftX | cat the file |
| 21:02.09 | DarkriftX | really |
| 21:02.11 | ionstorm | yes |
| 21:02.17 | ionstorm | # mount -o remount,rw -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system |
| 21:02.17 | ionstorm | # cat >>hosts |
| 21:02.17 | ionstorm | 127.0.0.1 android.clients.google.com |
| 21:02.17 | ionstorm | ^C |
| 21:02.23 | DarkriftX | these toolbox commands are odd |
| 21:02.23 | Fnord^ | heh weird |
| 21:02.28 | ionstorm | # cat hosts |
| 21:02.28 | ionstorm | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 21:02.28 | ionstorm | 127.0.0.1 android.clients.google.com |
| 21:02.38 | DarkriftX | now ionstorm |
| 21:02.53 | DarkriftX | do this |
| 21:02.55 | ionstorm | k |
| 21:02.59 | DarkriftX | busybox wget https://android.clients.google.com/updates/signed-kila-ota-115247-prereq.TC4-RC19+RC28.zip |
| 21:03.13 | DarkriftX | erm, wait, busybox wget needs that cert ignore param |
| 21:03.16 | DarkriftX | lemme find it |
| 21:04.23 | spikebike | heh, so does the real one |
| 21:04.35 | DarkriftX | erm, i think its vice versa |
| 21:04.38 | DarkriftX | bb one doesnt |
| 21:04.54 | DarkriftX | busybox gives me bad address :S |
| 21:04.57 | DarkriftX | i havent edited hosts |
| 21:05.17 | DarkriftX | i wonder if it dislikes sub.subdomains |
| 21:05.18 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 21:05.21 | Fnord^ | is that busybox static? |
| 21:05.29 | ionstorm | ping will work |
| 21:05.37 | DarkriftX | ahh, yeah |
| 21:05.44 | ionstorm | # ping android.clients.google.com |
| 21:05.45 | ionstorm | PING android.clients.google.com (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 21:05.45 | ionstorm | 64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.611 ms |
| 21:05.45 | ionstorm | 64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.427 ms |
| 21:05.48 | ionstorm | ;] |
| 21:05.51 | ionstorm | yay |
| 21:05.53 | DarkriftX | nice |
| 21:06.01 | DarkriftX | now be careful still |
| 21:06.07 | DarkriftX | might not work, so watch for update stuff |
| 21:06.19 | ionstorm | any way to force the update |
| 21:06.20 | DarkriftX | have you been issued the update yet? |
| 21:06.23 | ionstorm | yes |
| 21:06.28 | ionstorm | constant fuqn reminder |
| 21:06.31 | DarkriftX | tehn do that anycut method to ask for it |
| 21:06.38 | ionstorm | all I do is kill the update process and del the file |
| 21:06.43 | ionstorm | i'll reboot and see whats up |
| 21:06.47 | DarkriftX | k |
| 21:06.55 | DarkriftX | soon you wont be able to cancel it |
| 21:06.56 | Fnord^ | anyone familiar with mkbootimg ? |
| 21:07.01 | DarkriftX | it will sneak it on and force it |
| 21:07.10 | DarkriftX | someone told me the "forced" one is done silently |
| 21:07.21 | DarkriftX | and with a 4mb file would be fast |
| 21:10.06 | spikebike | I don't think it works |
| 21:10.19 | spikebike | I did the /etc/hosts update |
| 21:10.29 | spikebike | and then said check |
| 21:10.34 | spikebike | and it happily downloaded rc30 |
| 21:10.48 | ionstorm | delete the file first |
| 21:10.49 | Damm | spikebike, duh |
| 21:10.56 | spikebike | I did |
| 21:11.20 | jriley60 | well back trying flashing again |
| 21:11.20 | ionstorm | it downloaded? |
| 21:11.20 | Damm | updating the hosts file has nothing to do with the update |
| 21:11.20 | Damm | updating the host file will not stop the update |
| 21:11.20 | spikebike | it will do what then? |
| 21:11.25 | Fnord^ | jriley60, good luck! |
| 21:11.36 | ionstorm | updating the host file will keep it from downloading |
| 21:11.36 | Fnord^ | mkdir /cache/name-of-update.zip ? |
| 21:11.43 | Damm | smacks DarkriftX around like a little girl. |
| 21:11.46 | Damm | you can remove the updater |
| 21:11.47 | ionstorm | but are u sure its downloading from that host? |
| 21:11.50 | Damm | or you can remove the ota keys |
| 21:11.51 | RyeBrye | but don't other services use android.clients.google.com ? |
| 21:11.55 | Damm | ionstorm, no we are not sure. |
| 21:11.59 | RyeBrye | Yea, moving the ota keys is definitive and works |
| 21:12.05 | wayneward | how can i see what version im running |
| 21:12.19 | wayneward | is it baseband version? |
| 21:12.20 | Damm | that was just mr. non G1 boy guessing |
| 21:12.21 | ionstorm | i havnt recieved an update notification yet |
| 21:12.27 | DarkriftX | Damm, stfu |
| 21:12.37 | DarkriftX | if you are here to troll, gtfo |
| 21:12.37 | Damm | DarkriftX, stop being so childish already. |
| 21:12.41 | DarkriftX | im not, you are |
| 21:12.45 | ionstorm | wtf |
| 21:12.46 | ionstorm | lol |
| 21:12.50 | RyeBrye | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Preventing_OTA_Updates |
| 21:12.56 | spikebike | ah cool |
| 21:12.57 | RyeBrye | That screen shot shows what happens if you move OTA certs |
| 21:12.59 | spikebike | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.59 | Damm | DarkriftX, ... just a bit tired of assumptions. |
| 21:13.03 | spikebike | AFTER you reboot |
| 21:13.09 | Fnord^ | can this update be used on the emulator? |
| 21:13.09 | DarkriftX | Damm, what are you doing? |
| 21:13.17 | DarkriftX | assuming something doesnt work without trying it |
| 21:13.23 | RyeBrye | spikebike - but try syncing your contacts or something - I think android.clients.google.com is used for other stuff on the system too |
| 21:13.35 | RyeBrye | spikebike - or try to use the market |
| 21:13.46 | RyeBrye | I had my hosts file edited, but I think market wasn't working or something so I changed it back and just moved the otacerts |
| 21:13.53 | ionstorm | the market doesnt work |
| 21:13.59 | DarkriftX | good to know |
| 21:13.59 | ionstorm | with the hosts file change |
| 21:14.01 | spikebike | ah, yeah no market |
| 21:14.07 | spikebike | bummer |
| 21:14.13 | RyeBrye | Why are you doing osmething other than the otacerts? I'm confused |
| 21:14.18 | ionstorm | what if u fill up /cache so it cant download |
| 21:14.19 | ionstorm | lol |
| 21:14.21 | DarkriftX | just to test stuff RyeBrye |
| 21:14.23 | RyeBrye | oh, ok |
| 21:14.24 | spikebike | otacerts just means it keeps downloading |
| 21:14.25 | Damm | RyeBrye, you can remove the updater program. |
| 21:14.30 | RyeBrye | spikbike - no, it doesn't on mine |
| 21:14.37 | spikebike | it does on mine |
| 21:14.41 | RyeBrye | spikebike - on RC19 it might have, but I'm on RC29 and it's not |
| 21:14.45 | spikebike | oh, hrm |
| 21:14.50 | spikebike | I don't remember |
| 21:14.52 | spikebike | I'll try |
| 21:15.50 | RyeBrye | spikebike - it will try downloading it again eventually, but it doesn't just constantly loop or anything |
| 21:17.17 | RyeBrye | T-mobile are real sons of bitches about this update. They take so fucking long if it's an update that helps us, but they will move hell and high water to update our phones fast for something that (they percieve) helps them |
| 21:17.34 | spikebike | yup |
| 21:17.48 | spikebike | I've a friend that does a fair bit of hardware |
| 21:18.03 | spikebike | I wonder if there's some debugging lines inside the g1 |
| 21:18.06 | wayneward | were can i see what release version im running im on T bloody mobile |
| 21:18.52 | RyeBrye | My wifi is still a piece of shit on this phone, the browser still caches to /data, the home screen still quits itself if you are downloading stuff in the browser and try to switch to it, but... THIS is the update they push out to us quickly |
| 21:19.05 | Fnord^ | in settings, at the bottom, 'about system' |
| 21:19.16 | unix_remote | heh. |
| 21:19.31 | RyeBrye | resumes "rip on t-mobile" mode from several days ago - even though he still, atm, has root on his phone |
| 21:19.32 | ionstorm | so the best solution is to mv the update app? |
| 21:19.35 | wayneward | buld nymber? |
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| 21:20.01 | Fnord^ | RyeBrye, symlink browser cache to sdcard? |
| 21:20.03 | RyeBrye | Damm - where is the updater app? Is that only used for OTA updates or is it used for other things too? |
| 21:20.04 | Fnord^ | yea |
| 21:20.09 | DarkriftX | do the certs affect anything else? |
| 21:20.14 | wayneward | mines TC5-RC7 |
| 21:20.20 | Fnord^ | I imagine otacerts only affects ota |
| 21:20.21 | wayneward | thats pld anit it! |
| 21:20.25 | DarkriftX | wayneward, thats the uk version |
| 21:20.26 | ionstorm | the update app is/system/app/update.apk |
| 21:20.26 | wayneward | old |
| 21:20.27 | pawalls | it seems to me like the best solution is to grab JesusFreke's OTA RC29 that's been signed with the test-keys. |
| 21:20.34 | DarkriftX | thats the newest uk version we know of |
| 21:20.41 | RyeBrye | Yeah, and be damn careful when you repack the RC30 update :) |
| 21:20.42 | wayneward | ah cool |
| 21:20.45 | DarkriftX | id like to get ahold of that update file also |
| 21:20.56 | DarkriftX | wayneward, do not try to put any tc4 udpates on your phone |
| 21:20.56 | RyeBrye | JesusFreke himself re-signed the orginal one and not his own and is now locked out |
| 21:20.57 | pawalls | Actually.. it might not be "RC29", since IIRC, he built the image from the git repo. |
| 21:21.09 | Fnord^ | or fix rc30 |
| 21:21.11 | wayneward | ok i wont touch |
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| 21:21.21 | pawalls | Interesting. |
| 21:21.24 | RyeBrye | Fixing RC30 without a flashed restore will not be possible |
| 21:21.32 | RyeBrye | because if you touch RC30 you break the signature |
| 21:21.36 | DarkriftX | RyeBrye, is there a way for wayneward to get a list of the ota files his system has downloaded? |
| 21:21.36 | Fnord^ | Yeah |
| 21:21.47 | RyeBrye | DarkriftX - I don't know |
| 21:21.51 | DarkriftX | hrmmmm |
| 21:21.54 | DarkriftX | i want the uk ota lol |
| 21:22.12 | RyeBrye | wayneward - did you move your otacerts or something? |
| 21:22.26 | RyeBrye | wayneward - you can check device info on your phone - use any cut to make a shortcut to it and then open it up - and see waht the version is |
| 21:22.31 | wayneward | no ive gained root access thats it |
| 21:22.37 | spikebike | ota certs removal will download everytime you click on check for upgrades |
| 21:22.41 | DarkriftX | tc5-rc7 |
| 21:22.44 | RyeBrye | wayneward - move otacerts - pronto |
| 21:22.47 | spikebike | I'll leave it be for awhile and see how often it downloads |
| 21:22.55 | Fnord^ | basically: flash jesusfreke's restore.img, defang rc30, resign, pray |
| 21:23.00 | RyeBrye | spikebike - yes - until you manually apply an RC30 update |
| 21:23.20 | ionstorm | i just mv /system/app/Updater.apk /system/app/Updater.apk.bak and mv Updater.odex Updater.odex.bak |
| 21:23.26 | ionstorm | we'll see what happens |
| 21:23.27 | ionstorm | lol |
| 21:23.32 | wayneward | what do i need to do? |
| 21:23.35 | ionstorm | phone starts up so far |
| 21:23.42 | RyeBrye | Fnord^ - I think you are right in those steps - that's what I plan to do. I'm wondering why the new recovery.img was packed into the update - and if they are keeping the recovery in the open source in sync with what they are shoving on our phones |
| 21:24.07 | Fnord^ | Not sure. I should diff the two |
| 21:24.08 | ionstorm | the app market works after the updater mv'd |
| 21:24.11 | Fnord^ | uno momento |
| 21:24.14 | ionstorm | email works |
| 21:24.15 | Fnord^ | actually |
| 21:24.27 | wayneward | my market place works fine |
| 21:24.28 | Fnord^ | nevermind the /sbin/recovery file is probably where changes are |
| 21:24.29 | ionstorm | everything seems to work since I mv'd updater.apk |
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| 21:25.03 | RyeBrye | wayneward - do this immediately: mv /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip.nothankyou |
| 21:25.11 | Fnord^ | which is a pita...that program contains the keys |
| 21:25.14 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - what happens if oyu hit "check for updates" on device info? |
| 21:25.22 | ionstorm | let me look |
| 21:25.29 | ionstorm | hold |
| 21:25.32 | wayneward | what will that do? |
| 21:25.35 | Fnord^ | And I wonder how much I can stuff into recovery.img's initramfs? |
| 21:25.43 | RyeBrye | wayneward - it will prevent the OTA updates from applying to your phone |
| 21:25.43 | ionstorm | where is device info |
| 21:25.47 | spikebike | fnord why? |
| 21:25.50 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - I used anycut to make a link to it |
| 21:25.51 | Fnord^ | Like...a shell, and toolbox |
| 21:25.55 | DarkriftX | so you can keep root wayneward |
| 21:25.55 | spikebike | why bother? |
| 21:25.56 | ionstorm | k |
| 21:26.01 | DarkriftX | the next ota removes it |
| 21:26.01 | wayneward | ah coool |
| 21:26.02 | RyeBrye | Fnord^ - I think jesusfreke put ADB mode in his |
| 21:26.07 | Fnord^ | spikebike, so going into recovery mode would let you re-root your phone with adb |
| 21:26.13 | spikebike | just a suid shell seems plenty |
| 21:26.13 | Fnord^ | it has adb |
| 21:26.22 | Fnord^ | well |
| 21:26.29 | Fnord^ | you'd need to be able to mount system |
| 21:26.31 | RyeBrye | so he could push down new update.zips and stuff |
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| 21:26.38 | Fnord^ | and then chmod stuff in there |
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| 21:26.57 | ionstorm | RyeBrye, its downloading |
| 21:26.58 | ionstorm | wtf |
| 21:27.16 | DarkriftX | i dont think it will install though ionstorm |
| 21:27.18 | ionstorm | fuck |
| 21:27.19 | ionstorm | its updating |
| 21:27.22 | DarkriftX | lets hope not |
| 21:27.23 | DarkriftX | oh shit |
| 21:27.28 | ttuttle | ionstorm: Quick, kill the network. |
| 21:27.30 | ionstorm | shIT |
| 21:27.33 | ttuttle | ionstorm: Settings > Wireless > Airplane mode |
| 21:27.33 | ionstorm | nope |
| 21:27.34 | spikebike | uh oh |
| 21:27.35 | ionstorm | its flashing |
| 21:27.39 | ttuttle | ionstorm: oh |
| 21:27.40 | Fnord^ | oy |
| 21:27.41 | ttuttle | ionstorm: too late :-( |
| 21:27.44 | DarkriftX | poor ionstorm |
| 21:27.49 | ttuttle | Google 1, ionstorm 0. |
| 21:27.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | radix: hey, i'll let you know when its released, or if you're interested in helping test i can let you know when that's ready too |
| 21:27.54 | DarkriftX | poors some for the fallen homies |
| 21:28.01 | Fnord^ | ionstorm, if you got it less than 14 days ago, return it :P |
| 21:28.02 | spikebike | otacerts seems like a good backup |
| 21:28.06 | ionstorm | lol |
| 21:28.09 | spikebike | 30 days in california |
| 21:28.10 | DarkriftX | oh yeah!! return it! |
| 21:28.15 | Fnord^ | 30? nice |
| 21:28.21 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - what? did you not move the otacerts? |
| 21:28.22 | DarkriftX | "my permissions stopped working" lol |
| 21:28.43 | ionstorm | phone is stuck on ! |
| 21:28.45 | ionstorm | on reboot |
| 21:28.49 | ionstorm | wtf |
| 21:28.51 | ttuttle | ionstorm: patience |
| 21:28.52 | RyeBrye | alt-L it |
| 21:28.53 | Fnord^ | "the phone got remotely exploited" |
| 21:28.54 | ttuttle | ionstorm: it's a little slow |
| 21:29.04 | RyeBrye | if you hit alt-L it will tell you waht is going on |
| 21:29.12 | jriley60 | fingers crossed |
| 21:29.15 | jriley60 | copying files |
| 21:29.17 | ionstorm | installation aborted |
| 21:29.21 | DarkriftX | erm :S |
| 21:29.21 | ionstorm | since I mv'd updater |
| 21:29.22 | ionstorm | lol |
| 21:29.24 | jriley60 | deleteing files |
| 21:29.24 | DarkriftX | thats scary |
| 21:29.27 | Fnord^ | hahahaha |
| 21:29.28 | Fnord^ | rock |
| 21:29.35 | DarkriftX | lets hope it still boots properly :S |
| 21:29.38 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - now try to reboot the phone and see if it will actually boot :/ |
| 21:29.39 | jriley60 | failure at line 73 |
| 21:29.41 | ionstorm | error in applypatch |
| 21:29.49 | wayneward | ive moved the files so will that stop next update? |
| 21:29.56 | DarkriftX | should wayneward |
| 21:29.59 | jriley60 | packafe applypace framework/core.odex |
| 21:30.00 | RyeBrye | wayneward - it is a temporary stopgap |
| 21:30.09 | ionstorm | rebooting |
| 21:30.13 | ionstorm | prays |
| 21:30.22 | ionstorm | fuck |
| 21:30.24 | Fnord^ | jriley60, uhm wtf, that is odd |
| 21:30.45 | DarkriftX | soaks up the alcohol he poured on the ground for the unfallen homie |
| 21:30.52 | jriley60 | doesn't make sense |
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| 21:30.55 | wayneward | so i how do i re - enable after |
| 21:31.08 | Fnord^ | jriley60, trying to rc29 a partially rc30'ed phone? |
| 21:31.08 | RyeBrye | <ttuttle:Google 1, ionstorm 0. > I don't know... I would hardly consider being T-mobile's little bitch a victory for google. Is it Google 1 Chinese guy 0 when the chinese guy trys to search for "tianamen square" but only gets back a page of vacation photos? |
| 21:31.30 | Fnord^ | ionstorm, booting? |
| 21:31.32 | ionstorm | did a factory reset |
| 21:31.47 | spikebike | so move otacerts.zip again |
| 21:31.49 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - had you moved your otacerts.zip ? |
| 21:31.54 | ionstorm | no |
| 21:31.59 | ionstorm | mv'd updater.apk |
| 21:31.59 | RyeBrye | .... ? WTF ? |
| 21:32.04 | RyeBrye | Oh, I'd definitely do both :) |
| 21:32.22 | Fnord^ | ok...does the rc30 update fuck phones with moved stuff? seems so. |
| 21:32.31 | spikebike | moved stuff? |
| 21:32.36 | wayneward | this command moves it to the same place downt it!! mv /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip |
| 21:32.40 | Fnord^ | updater in ionstorm's case |
| 21:33.09 | Fnord^ | i'm wondering if otacerts must be moved back before updating, even with the resigned rc30. i'm thinking so |
| 21:33.34 | jriley60 | well i'm removing that line of code |
| 21:33.34 | spikebike | ya, maybe |
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| 21:33.50 | spikebike | or populate it with a cert for the key you resign with |
| 21:34.11 | RyeBrye | WEll... then your only option is to spoof a google update server |
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| 21:34.33 | Fnord^ | Waitasec |
| 21:34.35 | RyeBrye | which... would be a bit involved |
| 21:34.55 | Fnord^ | run_program PACKAGE:applypatch /system/app/Updater.odex 50be266aa6c6e68071e9206238c25eaaa31f0d71 3c8730d0243801e807918a7a2233ee8e0a23646a /tmp/patchtmp/sys |
| 21:35.02 | Fnord^ | that's not md5sum, what is it? |
| 21:35.20 | RyeBrye | dunno - applypatch is a black box |
| 21:35.23 | spikebike | 7b75b74184aa6780fd465bc5973021cf |
| 21:35.24 | andyross | strings on the applypatch call it an sha |
| 21:35.28 | Fnord^ | yeah? joy |
| 21:35.29 | spikebike | different length |
| 21:35.36 | wayneward | i dont understand im on the UK tc5-rc7 - i have root - is this the latest version - and is there a update that will stop me from having root again? and why would they stop me from having root! |
| 21:35.40 | Fnord^ | hm |
| 21:35.42 | spikebike | 0ba3a17f19a617036f9aa21d064109f1834eb46f |
| 21:35.44 | DarkriftX | yes wayneward |
| 21:35.46 | DarkriftX | well no |
| 21:35.54 | DarkriftX | its the latest before they remove root |
| 21:35.57 | andyross | Yeah, 40 hex digits is an sha-1 |
| 21:35.58 | RyeBrye | wayneward - because Google likes to be T-mobiles whipping boy |
| 21:36.00 | spikebike | looks like a sha1 |
| 21:36.05 | DarkriftX | rc7 uk is the same as rc29 us |
| 21:36.06 | Fnord^ | wonder if there's a portable cmdline tool to get the sha1 |
| 21:36.08 | spikebike | right length and hex anyways |
| 21:36.18 | wayneward | ah i see |
| 21:36.21 | RyeBrye | wayneward - and they dont' ahve the balls to fight for what is right for the developers of their "open" platform? |
| 21:36.35 | DarkriftX | lol RyeBrye |
| 21:36.56 | DarkriftX | i think they want it open, but they need the phone to get popular first, so they need tmo to push it |
| 21:37.02 | RyeBrye | Right |
| 21:37.10 | wayneward | so the command they gave me to move file seems to move the files to the same place that wont fix it will it? |
| 21:37.15 | DarkriftX | so once ppl want android, they can be more choosy |
| 21:37.21 | wayneward | mv /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip |
| 21:37.34 | RyeBrye | wayneward - that does nothing |
| 21:37.36 | DarkriftX | erm, wrong command wayneward |
| 21:37.38 | wayneward | moves the file to the same place? |
| 21:37.39 | RyeBrye | mv /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip.nothanks |
| 21:37.40 | wayneward | ah |
| 21:37.44 | DarkriftX | shoudl be move filename newfilename |
| 21:37.47 | RyeBrye | or any arbitrarty place |
| 21:37.47 | andyross | Fnord^: Yes, that's an sha-1. The second hash matches the file in R29 |
| 21:37.50 | wayneward | okee haha |
| 21:38.00 | DarkriftX | mv also works liek rename |
| 21:38.11 | DarkriftX | so in this example you are renaming it to add .nothanks to the end |
| 21:38.13 | Fnord^ | andyross, know of a hash checker that could be ported? |
| 21:38.16 | spikebike | mv foo foo isn't particularly same |
| 21:38.27 | DarkriftX | Fnord^, maybe there is one in busybox lol |
| 21:38.30 | wayneward | i wonder if there is any decent updates to the system with the latest updates is there information whats in the update apart from killig my root access!! |
| 21:38.32 | Fnord^ | nope |
| 21:38.34 | andyross | sha1sum is really simple, might be in busybox. |
| 21:38.46 | geist | ROOT AXSIS |
| 21:38.47 | saurik | Fnord^: dude, again: we have all of debian now |
| 21:38.48 | Fnord^ | wait |
| 21:38.50 | Fnord^ | yeah, it is |
| 21:38.55 | andyross | Does it need to run on the box, though? You could do it offline with adb pull/push. |
| 21:38.56 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 21:38.59 | Fnord^ | saurik, nice :D |
| 21:39.08 | saurik | Fnord^: we odn't need to think "could be ported", just apt-get install anything you need |
| 21:39.14 | Fnord^ | now if only i could get perl to cross compile |
| 21:39.31 | ionstorm | how do I recover my g1 |
| 21:39.32 | Fnord^ | saurik, how much space does it take on sdcard? |
| 21:39.36 | saurik | perl is in the base debian image |
| 21:39.38 | Fnord^ | ionstorm, return it |
| 21:39.40 | geist | aww whyd you have to go do that |
| 21:39.49 | KNY | whoa, how did I do this? http://evancharlton.com/sideways_bug.png http://evancharlton.com/sideways_bug_2.png |
| 21:39.51 | spikebike | er particularly safe |
| 21:39.53 | geist | get a perfectly good phone, root it, then put perl on it |
| 21:40.05 | Fnord^ | :P |
| 21:40.07 | saurik | my pre-made image takes 750MB, but it only has 128MB of stuff in it (I just left a lot of room), you can make an image of any size larger than 128MB |
| 21:40.15 | tomgibara | KNY: I've done that :) |
| 21:40.16 | spikebike | ion recover? |
| 21:40.17 | saurik | (and I'd be happy to provide a few more pre-made image sizes) |
| 21:40.26 | KNY | tomgibara, glad to hear i'm not the only one |
| 21:40.28 | spikebike | is sha1 in busybox? |
| 21:40.37 | tomgibara | KNY: Have you got a translucent app theme? |
| 21:40.42 | Fnord^ | Nice. I'll snag sometime |
| 21:40.44 | Fnord^ | spikebike, yep |
| 21:40.45 | KNY | no, it's standard |
| 21:40.46 | SplasPood | Is there any way to write files to the root (/) fs without flashing a new image? |
| 21:40.56 | spikebike | fnord I found android source I believe |
| 21:41.05 | Fnord^ | SplasPood, / is ram, it always poofs |
| 21:41.11 | SplasPood | ahhh |
| 21:41.14 | jriley60 | one last try then i'm just going to go back to 29 |
| 21:41.14 | SplasPood | I see |
| 21:41.16 | wayneward | cant move it im read only for some reason? |
| 21:41.22 | Fnord^ | spikebike, err? the source is open |
| 21:41.26 | wayneward | i done a su aswell |
| 21:41.28 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - what is it doing now? stuck on the ! ? |
| 21:41.33 | tomgibara | KNY: Hmm, well the way I did it was to hide the View I have set as my contentView (in a Translucently themed app) |
| 21:41.55 | SplasPood | Are there any good documents/threads/etc covering building your own test key signed image? |
| 21:42.05 | KNY | tomgibara, I think what I did was open the screen and then close it before it did the switching |
| 21:42.10 | KNY | and it got confused what state it was in |
| 21:42.10 | spikebike | ion did you try recovery mode? |
| 21:42.12 | wayneward | do i have to telenet in and remount in RW again after reboot? |
| 21:42.14 | Fnord^ | SplasPood, i made a post with what i think might work |
| 21:42.24 | tomgibara | KNY: You mean you did this as a user? |
| 21:42.29 | KNY | tomgibara, yes |
| 21:42.33 | SplasPood | Fnord^: url? |
| 21:42.38 | tomgibara | KNY: What app were you using at the time? |
| 21:42.48 | KNY | nothing |
| 21:42.59 | KNY | I'm 99% sure it was just me opening/closing the screen |
| 21:43.15 | tomgibara | KNY: Interesting, I'd report it as a bug then |
| 21:43.31 | KNY | tomgibara, I don't know how to duplicate it, so it makes for a pretty useless bug |
| 21:43.39 | KNY | bug report* |
| 21:44.04 | tomgibara | KNY: No it's not useless, others may also have experienced the problem |
| 21:44.17 | KNY | okay then, I'll write it up in a bit |
| 21:44.28 | ionstorm | RyeBrye, stuck on the recovery screen |
| 21:44.38 | wayneward | im root and have no rw access do i have to remount rw after reboot? and is there a way to make it permenant |
| 21:44.40 | ionstorm | cant open /cache/recovery/command |
| 21:44.46 | tomgibara | KNY: Just supply links to the screenshots in and a quick description to http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list |
| 21:44.49 | ionstorm | giving me update options |
| 21:44.56 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - what are the options? |
| 21:45.01 | ionstorm | alt +w wipe, alt s update.zip |
| 21:45.04 | ionstorm | alt l log |
| 21:45.12 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - did you try hitting home + back to reboot? |
| 21:45.13 | ionstorm | can I reflash update.zip |
| 21:45.15 | ionstorm | yes |
| 21:45.16 | ionstorm | no go |
| 21:45.17 | KNY | tomgibara, will do |
| 21:45.24 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - hit it a few times, it's really stupid about picking up on those keys |
| 21:45.30 | tomgibara | KNY: The developer of that home app is a regular on this channel, I know he'll take the feedback seriously. |
| 21:45.32 | ionstorm | i wiped it |
| 21:45.38 | ionstorm | factory wipe |
| 21:45.40 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - since it didn't really flash it - you can probably try the RC29 update again |
| 21:45.45 | spikebike | ion should work |
| 21:45.46 | ionstorm | k |
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| 21:46.01 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - just throw an update.zip on there of the signed RC29 update and it should work |
| 21:46.10 | tomgibara | KNY: He has with every bug I've encountered. |
| 21:46.12 | KNY | maybe I can talk him into making it work based on the accelerometer, too ;) |
| 21:46.28 | spikebike | heh |
| 21:46.30 | RyeBrye | KNY- romainguy said there was such a mode already |
| 21:46.36 | tomgibara | KNY: Good luck on that :) |
| 21:46.39 | spikebike | shake it with a death grip = don't update ;-) |
| 21:46.41 | RyeBrye | KNY - setprop laucher.sensors 1 SHOUDL make it work |
| 21:46.51 | RyeBrye | KNY - but on mine it didn't do anything |
| 21:46.54 | KNY | ah |
| 21:47.01 | RyeBrye | err launcher.sensors 1 |
| 21:47.12 | KNY | it's not that big of a deal |
| 21:47.28 | KNY | but I think it would be a lot more intuitive if it was accel-based |
| 21:47.31 | KNY | instead of just screen-based |
| 21:47.43 | RyeBrye | do we have the source of applypatch? |
| 21:47.57 | tomgibara | KNY: I think its a matter of reliability. |
| 21:48.22 | RyeBrye | I would thikn constantly checking the sensors would also reduce battery life, wouldn't it? |
| 21:48.34 | wayneward | i cant move the otacert.zip it says its read only and i have trid doing it as su aswell |
| 21:48.47 | Fnord^ | wayneward, gotta remount /system |
| 21:48.48 | RyeBrye | Oh, wayneward - sorry - you have to remount it as rw |
| 21:48.52 | KNY | RyeBrye, there's already a android:orientation="sensor" (or similar) in the AndroidManifest |
| 21:49.06 | wayneward | ah okee ill tap in and remount |
| 21:49.07 | spikebike | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.08 | KNY | so it's a per-app setting, you don't have to just set a while(true){} loop or something |
| 21:49.19 | RyeBrye | KNY ok |
| 21:49.21 | ionstorm | wow |
| 21:49.24 | ionstorm | I think im fixing it |
| 21:49.28 | ionstorm | prays |
| 21:49.29 | spikebike | excellent |
| 21:49.30 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - with the RC29 upate? |
| 21:49.32 | ionstorm | yes |
| 21:49.34 | ionstorm | RC29 |
| 21:49.35 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - first things first |
| 21:49.36 | KNY | android:screenOrientation="sensor" there it is |
| 21:49.39 | ionstorm | its copying files... |
| 21:49.41 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - MOVE THE OTACERTS :) |
| 21:49.45 | ionstorm | lol |
| 21:49.57 | RyeBrye | The sad thing is, this stupid RC30 patch is not a full system flash |
| 21:50.03 | ionstorm | yea |
| 21:50.06 | RyeBrye | so now it's not going to be very easy to restore a full patched system |
| 21:50.17 | spikebike | dunno |
| 21:50.19 | ionstorm | installation complete |
| 21:50.21 | ionstorm | prays |
| 21:50.24 | ionstorm | rebooting... |
| 21:50.27 | spikebike | it includes a new recovery.img |
| 21:50.37 | RyeBrye | Yeah, but not a whole /system |
| 21:50.46 | RyeBrye | it only patches stuff |
| 21:50.51 | spikebike | so maybe there is a downgrade method |
| 21:50.56 | spikebike | seems like they kind of need to |
| 21:51.08 | spikebike | otherwise the recovery isnt' really a recovery |
| 21:51.13 | ionstorm | DONT TOUCH UPDATER.APK |
| 21:51.14 | ionstorm | lol |
| 21:51.19 | spikebike | heh |
| 21:51.25 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - get root quickly on that |
| 21:51.26 | spikebike | at least you survived... right |
| 21:51.29 | ionstorm | i will |
| 21:51.36 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - and move the otacerts |
| 21:51.39 | spikebike | yeah apparently there's code that after a time it doesn't ask |
| 21:51.39 | ionstorm | adb shell telnetd |
| 21:51.47 | RyeBrye | that doesn't wor |
| 21:51.59 | RyeBrye | does it? I think you have to launch telnetd from the root shell of the phone |
| 21:52.07 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Nope. |
| 21:52.08 | ionstorm | yea |
| 21:52.10 | ionstorm | that works |
| 21:52.11 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: adb shell runs as a normal user. |
| 21:52.14 | ionstorm | gotta use the term emulator |
| 21:52.25 | Fnord^ | gotta use the keys on the keyboard |
| 21:52.26 | ionstorm | fixed |
| 21:52.27 | ionstorm | w00t |
| 21:52.28 | Fnord^ | that's it |
| 21:52.32 | ionstorm | welcome to t-mobile g1 |
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| 21:52.54 | RyeBrye | I wonder if RC30 is just a partial flash because they wanted to shove it down everyone's throat so fast |
| 21:53.02 | RyeBrye | or if this is how updates will be done from now on |
| 21:53.19 | RyeBrye | spikebike - does your wife's RC19 phone still not see any OTA updates? |
| 21:53.26 | andyross | Or because TMO didn't want to pay for another 46M update over their network. |
| 21:53.34 | RyeBrye | spikebike - if you move the otacerts on her phone, and check for updates - what's happening on it? |
| 21:53.52 | spikebike | it downloads and fails, not sure how often |
| 21:54.06 | RyeBrye | spikebike - is it downloading the RC29 update or the RC30 one? |
| 21:54.19 | RyeBrye | spikebike - or does it grab a different one? like... a full RC30 reflash or something? |
| 21:54.28 | spikebike | oh, dunno, it's with her at work today |
| 21:54.31 | RyeBrye | ok |
| 21:54.36 | spikebike | She's still on rc19 |
| 21:54.44 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: /me would assume they'll do a differential (partial) update if you're going from version n-1 to n, and a full update otherwise. It's easist. |
| 21:54.45 | spikebike | I was thinking of my phone |
| 21:54.47 | ttuttle | *easiest |
| 21:54.54 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - yes, you are right |
| 21:55.00 | spikebike | as of late last night her's hadn't popped |
| 21:55.30 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - that would be easiest... I'm just wondering if an RC30 full system flash would be available for anyone who gets a screwed up RC30 partial update flash |
| 21:55.36 | spikebike | under device info I wonder if there's something magic we can type into that field |
| 21:55.58 | ttuttle | spikebike: /me knows of three things, but they don't work on devices with production builds. |
| 21:56.04 | ionstorm | has anyone bricked a g1 |
| 21:56.05 | jriley60 | ugh |
| 21:56.05 | ionstorm | lol |
| 21:56.08 | jriley60 | i hace |
| 21:56.09 | jriley60 | have |
| 21:56.11 | ionstorm | how? |
| 21:56.21 | RyeBrye | jriley - what were you trying when you bricked it? |
| 21:56.24 | jriley60 | messing with stuff i didn't know what it was |
| 21:56.26 | ionstorm | someone should make a dont do wiki |
| 21:56.37 | spikebike | jriley did you return it? |
| 21:56.40 | ionstorm | tried to fix with update.zip? |
| 21:56.48 | ionstorm | i think a full reflash works for anything |
| 21:56.57 | ttuttle | update.zip on an SD card should always work, unless you b0rked recovery as well, which is hard. |
| 21:56.58 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - it doesn't downgrade though |
| 21:57.00 | jriley60 | i have jesusfrekes recovery. so i took apart the new rc30 to try to modify things then sign it and update |
| 21:57.00 | ionstorm | i pretty m uch fucked mine up |
| 21:57.02 | spikebike | ion only if recovery.img works |
| 21:57.08 | jriley60 | well it didn't work |
| 21:57.10 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - the update.zip will not downgrade |
| 21:57.26 | RyeBrye | jriley - did you replace the recovery.img? |
| 21:57.32 | jriley60 | yes |
| 21:57.35 | RyeBrye | jriley - do you still have jesusfrekes recovery.img? |
| 21:57.39 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Oh, so if you get halfway to RC30 it thinks you're at RC30, and won't "downgrade" to RC29? |
| 21:57.40 | jriley60 | i'm flashing back to 29 now |
| 21:57.40 | RyeBrye | on your phone? |
| 21:57.49 | RyeBrye | ttutle - yeah, bitch ain't it? |
| 21:57.53 | Fnord^ | so jesus's recovery and a modded rc29 could recover from 30? |
| 21:58.00 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: /me smiles at his unlocked bootloader. |
| 21:58.01 | jriley60 | yes |
| 21:58.04 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Yeah. They should fix that. |
| 21:58.18 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - it's hardcoded in the update files, not in the recoverer |
| 21:58.21 | spikebike | jriley so it's not bricked? |
| 21:58.22 | jriley60 | as long as you didn't update with out removing the one in the rc30 |
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| 21:58.32 | jriley60 | i'm about to find out |
| 21:58.34 | RyeBrye | jriley - then your phone isn't bricked |
| 21:58.41 | jriley60 | well it was |
| 21:58.41 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Ah. |
| 21:58.43 | jriley60 | hehe |
| 21:58.43 | RyeBrye | jriley - his recovery.img has adb in the recovery mode |
| 21:58.51 | jriley60 | i know |
| 21:58.54 | Fnord^ | jriley60, recovery should be flashed when 30 first boots |
| 21:59.06 | ionstorm | wow I just flashed rc29 and instantly got rc30 update notification |
| 21:59.09 | ionstorm | jesus |
| 21:59.23 | Fnord^ | i've not gotten it yet |
| 21:59.23 | spikebike | ya, once you pop it's instant |
| 21:59.37 | spikebike | thus the need for an immediate otacerts fix |
| 21:59.42 | spikebike | because it doesn't have to ask |
| 21:59.52 | jriley60 | i just flashed 29 but i put jesusfrekes recovery back on again |
| 22:00.05 | RyeBrye | jriley60 - so it's working now, right? |
| 22:00.12 | Fnord^ | yeah jesusfreak's recovery can keep the phone safe too |
| 22:00.17 | jriley60 | at the android screen |
| 22:00.22 | jriley60 | so far so good |
| 22:00.22 | RyeBrye | jriley - yeah, it should work then |
| 22:00.30 | jriley60 | thank god |
| 22:00.38 | RyeBrye | It's so ironic that the more hacked your phone is, the less likely it is to be bricked now isn't it? |
| 22:00.48 | DarkriftX | didnt jesusfrekes method cause him to get screwed? |
| 22:00.51 | jriley60 | i'll wait for someone that knows what they're doing to modify the rc30 lol |
| 22:00.51 | spikebike | no |
| 22:00.54 | Fnord^ | speaking of which, i'll flash it now :P |
| 22:00.57 | spikebike | jesusfrekes made a mistake |
| 22:00.58 | DarkriftX | ok, good |
| 22:00.59 | RyeBrye | No, it didn't - he made a major boo boo though |
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| 22:01.02 | jriley60 | no he updated on accident |
| 22:01.09 | DarkriftX | was hoping i didnt have to remove it lol |
| 22:01.10 | RyeBrye | I think his mistake makes it prudent to modify the build string on any custom builds we load on |
| 22:01.12 | andyross | is happily waiting for a "R30.root" image. |
| 22:01.19 | jriley60 | which playing with all these files named update is easy to do |
| 22:01.19 | RyeBrye | so that vanilla Flashes WILL NOT apply - even if you resign them |
| 22:01.35 | RyeBrye | only renames one to update as a final step when he pushes it to his phone |
| 22:01.56 | Fnord^ | I could release what I have now. But I don't want to be responsible for someone bricking |
| 22:02.26 | RyeBrye | Fnord^ - what happened to doing it on your own phone first :) |
| 22:02.27 | andyross | Release what you have after you've tested a recovery. :) |
| 22:02.28 | spikebike | fnord try 1 or 2 people willing to take the risk |
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| 22:02.36 | jriley60 | well phone is back |
| 22:02.44 | Fnord^ | RyeBrye, as soon as I stop being a coward :P |
| 22:02.47 | jriley60 | gotta reinstall everything but |
| 22:03.12 | ttuttle | andyross: There's not going to be an R30.root, 'cause Google would have to sign it. |
| 22:03.24 | DarkriftX | no ttuttle |
| 22:03.27 | Fnord^ | unless someone has JF recovery |
| 22:03.28 | DarkriftX | we are past that |
| 22:03.33 | ttuttle | DarkriftX: ? |
| 22:03.38 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - we've got our own recovery signer |
| 22:03.40 | DarkriftX | custom recovery image :) |
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| 22:03.44 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Er... |
| 22:03.48 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 22:03.49 | RyeBrye | my phone wont accept HTC's signature anymore |
| 22:03.57 | Fnord^ | But since rc30 overwrites JFrecovery... |
| 22:03.57 | RyeBrye | my phone only accepts MY signature |
| 22:04.05 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Oh, so you actually jailbroke it? You can flash your own recovery, which lets you flash your own main image? |
| 22:04.13 | DarkriftX | yes lol |
| 22:04.13 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - yeah |
| 22:04.17 | Fnord^ | RyeBrye, you have a self signed recovery, or JF's? |
| 22:04.21 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: nice |
| 22:04.24 | DarkriftX | poor ttuttle was kept out of the loop |
| 22:04.40 | RyeBrye | Fnord^ - I built my own - but used the same keys as JF |
| 22:04.54 | RyeBrye | Fnord^ - which happen to be the same keys as the default recovery build in the android source :) |
| 22:05.02 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - having an open source OS DOES have some advantages :) |
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| 22:05.08 | Fnord^ | Yah |
| 22:05.12 | PoohbaLT | is there a way to attach files to emails? |
| 22:05.13 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - even if T-mobile would rather you had no advantages from that |
| 22:05.16 | DarkriftX | ttuttle, instructions are on the wiki, but as a pasted forum post (hasnt been wikiformatted yet) |
| 22:05.26 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: True. |
| 22:05.33 | ionstorm | phffew renamed otacerts |
| 22:05.36 | ionstorm | im g00d |
| 22:05.36 | Fnord^ | RyeBrye, compiled kernel? |
| 22:05.40 | jriley60 | man i wish i wouldn't have done a data wipe |
| 22:05.45 | jriley60 | pain in the butt |
| 22:05.47 | RyeBrye | Fnord^ - just using the prebuilt one |
| 22:05.57 | RyeBrye | jriley60 - yeah, that would suck |
| 22:06.13 | Fnord^ | RyeBrye, how'd you extract it? I made an extract.pl that's messy, and leaves trailing 0's |
| 22:06.51 | RyeBrye | Fnord^ - to be honeset, I didn't get as in-depth as JF - I just replaced the recovery.img in mine - not the boot.img like he did |
| 22:07.00 | Fnord^ | ahh |
| 22:07.13 | RyeBrye | He did post some stuff on the forum about it though |
| 22:07.14 | Fnord^ | you didn't actually rebuild recovery.img then |
| 22:07.16 | jriley60 | well i gotta run thanks fore everyones help and i'll be back later |
| 22:07.16 | Fnord^ | yeah |
| 22:07.26 | jriley60 | i told my wife i'd take her out |
| 22:07.34 | spikebike | seems like the most conservative thing to do is change the minimum to keep a suid shell |
| 22:07.55 | RyeBrye | reflashing the recovery.img? yeah - pretty easy |
| 22:08.03 | neekers | are there any problems with the recent update to g1? |
| 22:08.09 | RyeBrye | Umm.. yes |
| 22:08.24 | Fnord^ | so basically if someone tries to update a modded 30 and it screws up, recovery is possible. excellent |
| 22:08.54 | RyeBrye | Yes, but once the 30 doesn't screw up - they are screwed |
| 22:09.21 | Fnord^ | Not if it's a modded 30 that leaves recovery and permissions alone |
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| 22:09.27 | RyeBrye | oh, right |
| 22:09.47 | RyeBrye | Fnord^ - and especially if the modded 30 has a modded recovery.img that accepts their own keys |
| 22:09.56 | RyeBrye | but once that recovery.img gets overwritten, you are kind of screwed |
| 22:09.58 | *** part/#android Joe (n=chatzill@86-41-46-231-dynamic.b-ras2.dbn.dublin.eircom.net) |
| 22:10.06 | Fnord^ | or just leaves the one currently in place, yeh |
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| 22:10.10 | RyeBrye | Right :) |
| 22:10.24 | RyeBrye | Yeah, I wonder what the difference is in their new recovery.img |
| 22:10.26 | DarkriftX | neekers, you keep repeating that same question |
| 22:10.33 | RyeBrye | I don't see any changes in my source for the recovery tree |
| 22:10.38 | Fnord^ | now a custom recovery image that lets you chmod 4755 /system/bin/sh would be perfect |
| 22:10.44 | RyeBrye | so where is the source for the binary version they are distributing? |
| 22:10.48 | Fnord^ | via adb |
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| 22:11.00 | Fnord^ | i dunno |
| 22:11.04 | RyeBrye | to get root shell via adb is simple - you just need ro.secure = 1 or whatever |
| 22:11.24 | Fnord^ | yeah. not so simple for a recovery image tho...no shell |
| 22:11.45 | RyeBrye | I think JF has his recovery image using adb as root |
| 22:11.46 | RyeBrye | not sure |
| 22:11.47 | RyeBrye | let me check |
| 22:12.12 | wayneward | can i make it RW after a reboot? |
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| 22:12.26 | RyeBrye | I really want to see if there is a full 44 meg RC30 update somewhere |
| 22:12.30 | Fnord^ | yup |
| 22:12.43 | ionstorm | cool otacerts worx |
| 22:12.49 | RyeBrye | you are welcome :) |
| 22:12.49 | DarkriftX | RyeBrye, what is the first partition loaded? |
| 22:12.53 | DarkriftX | during normal boot |
| 22:12.54 | ionstorm | any issues with renaming otacerts? |
| 22:12.56 | RyeBrye | Darkriftx - dunno |
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| 22:13.01 | DarkriftX | we need to find that |
| 22:13.20 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - every time it checks for updates (which is occasionaly) - it will download the update again |
| 22:14.02 | wayneward | so will there be a long term fix we need to update sometime dont we? |
| 22:14.13 | DarkriftX | we hope so wayneward |
| 22:15.06 | Fnord^ | darkhorse, boot.img, which is flashed by updates |
| 22:15.06 | DarkriftX | this is all to hold off the updates while the tweakers find a permanent method |
| 22:15.07 | wayneward | coool |
| 22:15.07 | DarkriftX | so boot.img is loaded first, whats next? system? |
| 22:15.07 | wayneward | i cant understand why they would want to stop root access? is there a known reason? |
| 22:15.07 | Fnord^ | sec |
| 22:15.18 | DarkriftX | wayneward, root lets us make stuff that can "harm" their network |
| 22:15.21 | spikebike | most likely tether |
| 22:15.22 | DarkriftX | like tethering apps etc |
| 22:15.32 | wayneward | i see |
| 22:15.39 | DarkriftX | scripted wgets, etc |
| 22:15.47 | ionstorm | tetherbot works without root |
| 22:15.58 | spikebike | tetherbit? |
| 22:16.01 | DarkriftX | damn, now they will take away shell period lol |
| 22:16.02 | spikebike | is that the web proxy? |
| 22:16.21 | ionstorm | http://www.android-unleashed.com/2008/11/tether-your-android-g1-to-your-laptop.html |
| 22:16.24 | ionstorm | thats my site |
| 22:16.30 | DarkriftX | nice |
| 22:16.31 | Fnord^ | DarkriftX, this is rc30 with a few changes I made: http://n1.fnord.to/tmp/init.rc |
| 22:16.53 | DarkriftX | basically Fnord^ im wondering if there would be a way for..... hard to explain but... |
| 22:16.57 | spikebike | ah cool |
| 22:17.08 | ionstorm | tethering is easy |
| 22:17.13 | DarkriftX | have a partition.img file on your sd card, and have it so that it gets auto loaded during boot |
| 22:17.14 | ionstorm | just an apk |
| 22:17.20 | DarkriftX | without relying on the system partition to do it |
| 22:17.21 | spikebike | does it work with rc30? |
| 22:17.26 | DarkriftX | because system is always the first to be changed |
| 22:17.27 | ionstorm | try it |
| 22:17.34 | ionstorm | let us know |
| 22:17.38 | spikebike | I don't want to lose root |
| 22:17.45 | Fnord^ | I doubt it. That would be going into hardware tinkering I think |
| 22:18.12 | Fnord^ | setting one of the devices readonly would be very nice, also |
| 22:18.30 | Fnord^ | then you could have init.rc re-root on every bootup |
| 22:20.04 | KNY | has anyone written an on screen keyboard yet? |
| 22:20.39 | wayneward | yes i want one for replying to text messages when im out its a pain having to flip it - it looks like im posing! |
| 22:20.53 | KNY | I just want a numeric one |
| 22:20.57 | KNY | like Dialer, except smaller |
| 22:21.18 | wayneward | why just numeric? |
| 22:21.27 | KNY | well that's what my app needs :) |
| 22:21.36 | wayneward | ah i seee |
| 22:22.29 | wayneward | i hope they fix the blogging app soon it writes to wordpress blogs |
| 22:22.48 | wayneward | i got the apk file down but it was made in may and it wont intall? |
| 22:22.53 | KNY | heh |
| 22:23.02 | KNY | who wrote it? |
| 22:23.10 | wayneward | its on google code |
| 22:24.01 | wayneward | mobilogger |
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| 22:25.43 | wayneward | is there anyway to get it installed some one said the manifest is broke? |
| 22:26.48 | Fnord^ | hrm |
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| 22:26.56 | Fnord^ | menu+power...for how long? |
| 22:27.54 | RyeBrye | Fnord^ - it's only on first boot |
| 22:28.03 | RyeBrye | And it's home + power |
| 22:28.18 | RyeBrye | so turn it off, then turn it back on and hold home + power |
| 22:28.40 | Fnord^ | kk |
| 22:29.06 | KNY | wayneward, if it's on Google Code, couldn't you build it yourself? |
| 22:29.54 | wayneward | ah right i can only see the apk ill take a look i havent built anything yet! |
| 22:31.16 | KNY | ahh |
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| 22:32.32 | wayneward | ve tried installing from a prompt but i dint have adb command yet just trying to get that!! |
| 22:32.47 | wayneward | i think u need the sdk for the adb command |
| 22:32.51 | KNY | yeah |
| 22:32.59 | KNY | it's in the tools folder of the SDK |
| 22:33.50 | anno^da_ | Grr it pisses me off the G1 is again over 600€ @ German ebay. :/ |
| 22:34.00 | wayneward | so install the sdk on my computer and copy the adb file across to the phone |
| 22:34.23 | wayneward | or install the sdk on the phone? |
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| 22:35.40 | Adamant | anno^da_: that's wild, I figured it would be in Germany since it's on T-Mobile |
| 22:36.23 | anno^da_ | Adamant: That's the point a german company isnt able to sell G1s to german developers for a fair price. |
| 22:36.34 | KNY | wayneward, install the sdk on your computer |
| 22:36.42 | KNY | then you use adb on your computer |
| 22:36.54 | KNY | for instance: adb install MyApp.apk |
| 22:37.03 | anno^da_ | By contrast damn ebay sellers make thousands of euros selling unlocked devices. |
| 22:37.10 | Dialekt | YAY |
| 22:37.12 | Dialekt | ITS MY BDAY |
| 22:37.17 | anno^da_ | :) |
| 22:37.23 | anno^da_ | happy bday ;) |
| 22:37.25 | wayneward | ok i see |
| 22:37.47 | wayneward | then this will install on my phone? |
| 22:37.49 | anno^da_ | It is cheaper to fly to London buy a G1 and import it to Germany. |
| 22:38.09 | Adamant | anno^da_: maybe Google hasn't localized it yet all. Since Google is a US company... same shit happens for Japanese companies and their products, or Euro companies |
| 22:38.12 | KNY | wayneward, in theory, yes |
| 22:38.34 | Dialekt | thanks |
| 22:38.35 | Dialekt | :) |
| 22:38.36 | anno^da_ | Adamant: Well really as a developer I dont care if this is german or english or french ;) |
| 22:38.39 | Dialekt | you guys rock my socks |
| 22:38.48 | Dialekt | i wanted to play with an androidian phone today |
| 22:38.55 | Dialekt | how do you guys like it so far |
| 22:39.00 | Dialekt | its either that or the Verizon STORM |
| 22:39.03 | ITechJunkie | How can I build an android project into a source file? |
| 22:39.07 | anno^da_ | I just want to develope on a real device now after playing around with it since one year. |
| 22:39.09 | ITechJunkie | erm |
| 22:39.12 | ITechJunkie | apk file that is |
| 22:39.16 | Damm | oh yay |
| 22:39.18 | Damm | rc30 patch failed |
| 22:39.39 | Adamant | anno^da_: yeah, I know CS guys know Anglish, but the average German is only OK at it I've heard, and I think everyone would rather use the phone in their native language if they're dropping serious coin on it |
| 22:40.09 | anno^da_ | Adamant: Then sell a developer version. That cant be that difficult. |
| 22:40.16 | Adamant | anno^da_: good point |
| 22:40.31 | anno^da_ | Setup a PayPal account and start it. |
| 22:40.56 | anno^da_ | I would bet that thousands of G1s would be sold in a pretty short period of time. |
| 22:41.49 | ITechJunkie | Can anyone answer my question or point me in the right direction? I can't seem to find the right stuff by googling it. |
| 22:42.00 | Dialekt | WHOOO WHOOOO HOO |
| 22:43.32 | Damm | http://pastie.org/private/6c93yqvxx5qcplcthmslqq |
| 22:43.36 | Damm | can anyone comment on this RC30 failure? |
| 22:43.43 | offby1 | ITechJunkie: I just "cd"d to the directory that contains build.xml, and typed "ant". |
| 22:43.45 | Damm | mostly the google folks I suppose |
| 22:44.21 | ITechJunkie | offby1: thanks man |
| 22:44.34 | anno^da_ | Adamant: But thats the problem with the carriers they dont understand that it is important to get hardware out to the developers. I would bet that Google is trying everything to get hardware to the devs. |
| 22:45.29 | offby1 | anno^da_: google has billions of dollars of cash. If they _really_ wanted developers to have the hardware, they'd buy each developer a phone. |
| 22:45.43 | Damm | i guess I should install RC29 again and then update to RC30? |
| 22:45.44 | Damm | ho hum |
| 22:45.55 | Damm | let's see if this thing even boots up |
| 22:45.55 | anno^da_ | They cant. T-Mobile has to allow that. ;) |
| 22:46.16 | Damm | ah yum, it won't boot |
| 22:46.19 | offby1 | they could probably buy T-Mobile. |
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| 22:46.28 | michaelnovak-g1_ | Howdy |
| 22:46.29 | anno^da_ | Well probably ;) |
| 22:46.32 | spikebike | not really |
| 22:46.39 | spikebike | any fcc approved phone can use a tmo sim |
| 22:46.48 | anno^da_ | michaelnovak-g1_: Send me a G1. :-) Cmon. |
| 22:46.50 | spikebike | you could buy an openomoko if youw ant |
| 22:46.59 | michaelnovak-g1_ | :) |
| 22:47.13 | spikebike | or even an iphone |
| 22:47.25 | anno^da_ | spikebike: Sure I could buy the Neo Freerunner but I dont like the hardware and wouldnt see that device as a big market. |
| 22:47.37 | spikebike | agreed |
| 22:47.38 | michaelnovak-g1_ | anno^da_ im testing my irc app for android |
| 22:47.45 | anno^da_ | yeah nice :-) |
| 22:48.02 | anno^da_ | the open source IRC app ;) |
| 22:48.07 | michaelnovak-g1_ | Yes |
| 22:48.09 | anno^da_ | :) |
| 22:48.11 | ttuttle | Ooh, IRC? Where?! |
| 22:48.42 | michaelnovak-g1_ | ttuttle its a rough install that looks bad |
| 22:49.04 | ttuttle | michaelnovak-g1_: Oh :-( |
| 22:49.06 | Damm | ttuttle, any way I can mount my sdcard via USB in recovery mode or something? |
| 22:49.07 | michaelnovak-g1_ | By monday it should be good to demo |
| 22:49.12 | ttuttle | Damm: I don't think so. |
| 22:49.19 | ttuttle | Damm: That's done entirely in the regular system. |
| 22:49.30 | Damm | ttuttle, damn cuz now my phone is hosed thanks to RC30. |
| 22:49.41 | ttuttle | Damm: :-( |
| 22:49.45 | Fnord^ | damm: i've seen that happen before |
| 22:49.47 | Damm | guess i'll go buy a USB to MicroSD adapter. |
| 22:49.49 | Fnord^ | someone in here or a forum |
| 22:49.51 | RyeBrye | Damm - ? |
| 22:49.53 | Damm | http://pastie.org/private/6c93yqvxx5qcplcthmslqq |
| 22:50.03 | Damm | that's from the update |
| 22:50.05 | RyeBrye | Damm - did you load on JF's modded firmware?\ |
| 22:50.10 | Damm | RyeBrye, nope |
| 22:50.19 | Damm | only thing modified is busybox installed |
| 22:50.31 | RyeBrye | WTF? Why is framework not working? |
| 22:50.32 | Fnord^ | wtf |
| 22:50.33 | Damm | oh and I get the lovely |
| 22:50.35 | RyeBrye | did you even touch that? |
| 22:50.37 | Damm | Can't open /cache/recovery/command |
| 22:50.43 | Damm | nope |
| 22:50.51 | Damm | I'm going to try and reinstall RC29 |
| 22:51.12 | sodenrox | i cant get root damnit |
| 22:51.12 | Damm | and hopefully that'll get me unstuck |
| 22:51.12 | sodenrox | its pissing me off |
| 22:51.12 | RyeBrye | That should work |
| 22:51.20 | RyeBrye | sodenrox - did you update to RC30? |
| 22:51.22 | michaelnovak-g1_ | I have to fix the display of the messages |
| 22:51.26 | sodenrox | sure didnt |
| 22:51.34 | RyeBrye | sodenrox - then what is the issue? |
| 22:51.37 | sodenrox | ... |
| 22:51.39 | Fnord^ | b2b496feb2b621e62117c00e125722ff94b5c328 /system/framework/framework.odex |
| 22:51.39 | sodenrox | i'm an idiot |
| 22:51.50 | Fnord^ | wtf |
| 22:51.56 | Damm | Fnord^, i'm assuming the md5's don't match. |
| 22:52.03 | Fnord^ | that doesn't match what's in the update script |
| 22:52.04 | sodenrox | i'm trying to figure out all the telnet commands and shit |
| 22:52.04 | RyeBrye | it's SHA1 isn't it? |
| 22:52.07 | Fnord^ | yeah |
| 22:52.09 | Fnord^ | wtf |
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| 22:52.37 | Damm | how do you get a sha1 out of a file? |
| 22:52.40 | RyeBrye | spikebike - it's crucial that you snag your wife's phone when she gets back and see if they push a combo update to RC19 -> RC30 to her |
| 22:52.48 | Damm | I know how md5... but not sha |
| 22:52.53 | Fnord^ | 10a5f295c1c99a593dfd23b496642d376a3fafe8 b2b496feb2b621e62117c00e125722ff94b5c328 |
| 22:52.54 | Damm | nm sha1sum |
| 22:52.58 | Fnord^ | ok it's the second line |
| 22:53.27 | RyeBrye | spikebike - Tmobile claims that RC19 phones will also get updated straight to Rc30 - which means theyehave to ether have another similar 4 patch-style update, or a full update |
| 22:53.49 | spikebike | I sent her to work with a do not update msg |
| 22:53.55 | ttuttle | Given the root bug I expect Google/TMo to get everything to RC30 asap. |
| 22:54.22 | spikebike | won't be back till tomorrow morning sometime |
| 22:54.24 | RyeBrye | spikebike - if it IS a full combo update - the 44 meg variety - definitely snag the URL |
| 22:54.26 | Damm | Fnord^, well with the patch file i got from clients.android.google.com is only some kind of patch |
| 22:54.27 | spikebike | no other rc19 folks about? |
| 22:54.29 | Fnord^ | the root bug isn't bad tho |
| 22:54.37 | RyeBrye | spikebike - there are plenty on the T-mobile forums |
| 22:54.39 | Fnord^ | just type 'cat' :P |
| 22:54.48 | RyeBrye | yeah, I type cat and enter when I boot my phone |
| 22:54.49 | Damm | 6c0fef5d72d0d67b20c697bf840c8227 signed-RC30-from-RC29-fat.1582cace.zip |
| 22:54.50 | RyeBrye | then I'm fine |
| 22:54.57 | Fnord^ | Damm, 4 meg zip? |
| 22:54.59 | Damm | that's the MD5sum of it |
| 22:55.01 | Damm | nods |
| 22:55.04 | fooobar | im trying to update the view inside a tab, but it keeps on throwing a null pointer exception :( |
| 22:55.21 | fooobar | this is the line of code: tabHost.getCurrentTabView().findViewById(R.id.sv).setVisibility(View.VISIBLE); |
| 22:55.46 | Damm | 3047add15b2dbbd9347472267e71e26d4e3207b7 framework.odex.patch0 |
| 22:55.51 | Damm | that's the sha1sum of the patch |
| 22:55.55 | Fnord^ | yeah |
| 22:55.55 | Damm | however that really doesn't matter |
| 22:56.00 | fooobar | im trying to update stuff inside the tabs differently depending on the tab |
| 22:56.04 | Fnord^ | need the sha1sum of what you had on the system |
| 22:56.13 | Damm | no idea how to get that. |
| 22:56.16 | Damm | can't get it up |
| 22:56.22 | Fnord^ | which seems problematic, yeah |
| 22:56.53 | Damm | welp off to the store then. |
| 22:57.02 | Fnord^ | rc29 no workie? |
| 22:57.04 | Damm | who woulda thunk that RC30 woulda b0rked like this. |
| 22:57.14 | Damm | Fnord^, gotta mount the sd card first |
| 22:57.15 | spikebike | store? |
| 22:57.21 | Fnord^ | oh, yeh |
| 22:57.25 | Damm | to go back to RC29 |
| 22:57.34 | spikebike | how? |
| 22:57.38 | Damm | if it'll let me.. |
| 22:57.39 | Damm | hopes |
| 22:57.40 | RyeBrye | Damm - going to get an mini-USB thing? |
| 22:57.46 | RyeBrye | Damm - I think it should |
| 22:57.49 | Damm | RyeBrye, I have the USB Connector. |
| 22:57.52 | RyeBrye | who knows how atomic their update are though |
| 22:57.52 | gdsx | fooobar: you should check that you're not getting nulls before calling methods on them |
| 22:58.07 | Damm | but the question is how to mount the SD card in the phone without it powering up? |
| 22:58.12 | Damm | or stuck at the ALT+L window |
| 22:58.26 | Damm | because it says it can't load recovery |
| 22:58.27 | RyeBrye | Damm - there isn't a way that I know of - you can see if adb push works, but if you didn't flash your recovery image to JF's - it wont |
| 22:58.38 | gdsx | fooobar: likely, you're getting a null back from findViewById |
| 22:58.45 | Damm | RyeBrye, not sure my recovery image works. |
| 22:58.49 | RyeBrye | JF's recovery image is a lot smarter than Googles - because he can use adb to push stuff to the SD card |
| 22:58.53 | fooobar | unlikely since I use the same line elsewhere in the code |
| 22:59.04 | gdsx | fooobar: regardless, you should check and not assume |
| 22:59.10 | gdsx | that's how you build robust software |
| 22:59.29 | Damm | RyeBrye, unlikely because ddms didn't see my phone at all. |
| 22:59.38 | Damm | otherwise I would think I could adb shell |
| 22:59.55 | RyeBrye | adb shell doesn't work at all on the recovery mode - even with JF's image - because tehre is no shell |
| 23:00.10 | Fnord^ | yeh. that should be fixed :D |
| 23:00.14 | ttuttle | Is there even adb in recovery? All it's designed to do is flash things. |
| 23:00.30 | Fnord^ | there i |
| 23:00.31 | Fnord^ | there is |
| 23:00.32 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - not in the stock one, which is an oversight in my opinion |
| 23:00.38 | Fnord^ | oh |
| 23:00.40 | RyeBrye | Fnord^ - is it enabled? |
| 23:00.45 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: It's not meant to be a real image, just an updater. |
| 23:00.52 | Fnord^ | not sure |
| 23:01.00 | Fnord^ | I've never used adb XD |
| 23:01.15 | RyeBrye | Right - but what happens when your updater is screwed like it is in Damm's case - he could use adb push to put a new file on the sdcard if it was enabled |
| 23:01.20 | RyeBrye | like... I can with my recovery image |
| 23:01.53 | Damm | RyeBrye, adb just spews 'device not found' |
| 23:01.53 | RyeBrye | Damm's framework not matching is strange - but it's not his fault |
| 23:02.10 | Damm | and for some reason I can't use the recovery image |
| 23:02.38 | RyeBrye | Damm - get an SD card micro adapter or something |
| 23:02.54 | RyeBrye | so you can use it in a normal card reader and just copy the RC29 update there |
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| 23:03.19 | spikebike | hey trav |
| 23:03.20 | trav530 | anyone here know anything about the "misc" partition on the G1? |
| 23:03.26 | trav530 | 0x024c0000-0x02500000 : "misc" |
| 23:03.29 | trav530 | hey |
| 23:03.31 | RyeBrye | config stuff for the HTC bootloader |
| 23:03.48 | spikebike | the one at 0x024c0000-0x02500000 ? Never heard of it ;-) |
| 23:04.13 | RyeBrye | spikebike - isn't that the one with just a bunch of strings like CE USB InUse ... etc ? |
| 23:04.15 | Damm | RyeBrye, that's my plan. |
| 23:04.24 | Damm | I have a SD Card reader... just not the adapter to SD Micro |
| 23:04.24 | spikebike | btw |
| 23:04.24 | trav530 | i've heard there's some "radio" config in there too |
| 23:04.24 | RyeBrye | Damm - ok - I thought you meant T-mobile store :) |
| 23:04.33 | spikebike | apparently there's something magic about the file er |
| 23:04.37 | RyeBrye | trav530 - unlikely |
| 23:04.40 | Damm | RyeBrye, no this is a company phone. so I break it, I buy a new one. |
| 23:04.42 | RyeBrye | cmonex knows quite a bit about that |
| 23:04.47 | Damm | not really wanting to do that. |
| 23:04.52 | spikebike | DREAIMG.NBH |
| 23:04.59 | spikebike | if you put it on a sdcard |
| 23:05.05 | spikebike | it will try to reflash the g1 |
| 23:05.12 | RyeBrye | spikebike - do you have a signed DEAIMG.NBH? |
| 23:05.16 | spikebike | no |
| 23:05.29 | RyeBrye | It wont reflash it unless it's signed, I though |
| 23:05.29 | spikebike | nor the private key to sign one |
| 23:05.37 | spikebike | right, still interesting though |
| 23:05.40 | trav530 | ryebrye: thanks. do you know if mtdblock0 gets re-written during updates? |
| 23:05.40 | RyeBrye | Yeah |
| 23:05.52 | RyeBrye | I haven't looked into it... don't know |
| 23:05.58 | spikebike | trav still rc29? |
| 23:06.05 | spikebike | getting pestered yet? |
| 23:06.14 | spikebike | rc30 doesn't seem to write much |
| 23:06.25 | trav530 | sb: not sure. haven't turned on my phone today |
| 23:06.49 | RyeBrye | trav530 - you should move your otacerts.zip file to a different location so it can't auto-apply it |
| 23:06.50 | spikebike | there's rumors that it after a timeout it won't ask before applying |
| 23:07.11 | trav530 | ryebrye: i probably will. will it keep bugging me if i do that? |
| 23:07.20 | trav530 | sb: apparently it's more than a rumor - i've seen the actual code |
| 23:07.21 | spikebike | no |
| 23:07.28 | spikebike | I saw a cut/paste |
| 23:07.35 | RyeBrye | trav530 - nope... it just downloads it once every couple of hours |
| 23:07.40 | spikebike | I didn't find the code myself though |
| 23:07.42 | RyeBrye | but it doesn't nag you at all |
| 23:07.42 | ttuttle | s/downloads/prompts/; |
| 23:07.50 | ttuttle | What? |
| 23:07.53 | spikebike | s/prompts/downloads/ |
| 23:07.58 | ttuttle | It doesn't re-download updates, does it? |
| 23:08.01 | spikebike | ya |
| 23:08.10 | spikebike | when it fails cert it deletes |
| 23:08.11 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - yes - it does... rather dumb of it too |
| 23:08.11 | ttuttle | That's odd. |
| 23:08.14 | ttuttle | Oh, okay. |
| 23:08.15 | ttuttle | Sorry. |
| 23:08.15 | RyeBrye | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Preventing_OTA_Updates |
| 23:08.18 | RyeBrye | Yeah. |
| 23:08.34 | RyeBrye | that screen shot shows what it does if the certs are moved |
| 23:09.40 | dream_kill | the misc is used for SPL configs |
| 23:10.16 | dream_kill | first 8 bytes are the backup CID |
| 23:17.40 | trav530 | dream_kill: cool, thanks. CID? |
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| 23:18.24 | dream_kill | the real CID is stored in radio |
| 23:18.24 | alansj | Fnord^: I see you asked about mkbootimg awhile back. Did you get your questions answered? |
| 23:18.30 | alansj | I have worked a lot with it |
| 23:19.13 | dream_kill | CID = country ID --- T-MOB010 -- T-mobile USA |
| 23:19.20 | trav530 | AH. |
| 23:19.36 | alansj | have we decided it's possible to flash radio or not |
| 23:19.53 | trav530 | dream_kill: do you know if the misc partition gets rewritten during any updates? |
| 23:19.59 | dream_kill | so u can't flash a device from a provider / country with a rom from a different provider /country |
| 23:20.15 | dream_kill | not that i seen so far |
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| 23:20.29 | trav530 | ah, k. thanks. |
| 23:20.29 | dream_kill | i changed it few times :D |
| 23:20.30 | Fnord^ | alansj, oh? is it safe to use kernels with trailing 0's? my extraction script isn't the best. |
| 23:20.41 | trav530 | dream_kill: really? did you restore it somehow? |
| 23:20.44 | Fnord^ | alansj, or is there a good method for extracting android bootimg? |
| 23:20.47 | alansj | yes, I believe it is ok to do so |
| 23:21.01 | dream_kill | anyone located where the MTD partitions are defined? |
| 23:21.04 | alansj | mkbootimg will add sufficient trailing zeroes to fill up the remainder of the page if necessary |
| 23:21.09 | dream_kill | and anyone recompiled the kernel ? |
| 23:21.17 | alansj | no, there's not a good method for extracting yet... I had meant to write a script |
| 23:21.18 | trav530 | dream_kill: my experience is that they're usually hardcoded into the driver |
| 23:21.28 | trav530 | (the mtd partitions) |
| 23:21.29 | Fnord^ | I have something, but eh it's messy |
| 23:21.36 | dream_kill | i checked the MTD driver ... |
| 23:21.37 | alansj | Fnord^: you have seen the mkbootimg.h file right? It has a diagram of the file format. |
| 23:21.43 | dream_kill | not found any partitions |
| 23:21.44 | trav530 | hm |
| 23:21.58 | dream_kill | seems it reads from the flash chip the config |
| 23:21.58 | Fnord^ | Hmm, no |
| 23:22.14 | trav530 | hm, i'm not so sure about that |
| 23:22.27 | alansj | Yeah, the best method I could come up with was to hack off the first 2k, then search for a bunch of zeroes followed by the GZIP magic number, and split there. |
| 23:22.27 | dream_kill | if anyone in UK which upgraded to r30 i can help downgrading it :D |
| 23:22.29 | Fnord^ | how much space -is- in mtd0? |
| 23:22.31 | spikebike | hrm |
| 23:22.32 | Fnord^ | err |
| 23:22.33 | Fnord^ | 1 |
| 23:22.38 | DarkriftX | RyeBrye, did you edit that page recently? |
| 23:22.41 | dream_kill | is only few k |
| 23:22.49 | DarkriftX | the "permanent(ish) fix" part/ |
| 23:22.51 | spikebike | so if we found a file that was run by root normall we could replace that binary with something that suid's sh |
| 23:22.55 | spikebike | normally |
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| 23:22.57 | RyeBrye | DarkriftX - yeah, I put that on there |
| 23:23.01 | Fnord^ | alansj, and yeah that's pretty much what i do. it does leave padding tho |
| 23:23.13 | alansj | The trailing zeroes appear to be no problem, and if you fuck them up then mkbootimg will fill out the proper number of additional zeroes to fill out the remainder of the page. |
| 23:23.17 | Fnord^ | so no room for toolbox, eh? |
| 23:23.22 | DarkriftX | that info is all on its own page |
| 23:23.27 | Fnord^ | good good |
| 23:23.30 | RyeBrye | Ok, you can point it to that then |
| 23:23.33 | alansj | When I extracted the kernel, I included the zeroes. |
| 23:23.56 | dream_kill | what u try to do with the kernel ? |
| 23:24.05 | alansj | I need to head out for 45 mins or so, but I'll be back later. I'd be interested in building a decent set of scripts for unpacking/repacking the various elements of boot images. |
| 23:24.27 | alansj | I just kept it around to re-pack into the boot img with my modified ramdisk (specifically, modified init.rc) |
| 23:24.33 | alansj | didn't modify it at all |
| 23:25.18 | Fnord^ | 372736 bytes...hrm |
| 23:25.30 | dream_kill | no much use :D |
| 23:25.32 | spikebike | like say ifconfig |
| 23:25.38 | Fnord^ | could have a 'sh' in there mebbie |
| 23:25.51 | dream_kill | what for :P ? |
| 23:25.58 | dream_kill | use a sd card |
| 23:26.00 | dream_kill | :D |
| 23:26.13 | alansj | Fnord^: http://git.source.android.com/?p=kernel/common.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt |
| 23:26.17 | alansj | Fnord^: http://git.source.android.com/?p=platform/system/core.git;a=blob;f=mkbootimg/bootimg.h |
| 23:26.19 | RyeBrye | deam_kill - use the sdcard for booting? |
| 23:26.22 | alansj | in case you hadn't already run across them |
| 23:26.25 | dream_kill | compile a ext3 kernel |
| 23:26.30 | dream_kill | module |
| 23:26.31 | Fnord^ | dream_kill, a recovery image with rootshell |
| 23:26.36 | dream_kill | insert it in boot.img |
| 23:26.41 | Fnord^ | looks |
| 23:26.43 | dream_kill | change the boot.img |
| 23:26.48 | dream_kill | and use the sd card for boot up |
| 23:26.54 | dream_kill | this i work on right now |
| 23:26.59 | RyeBrye | dream_kill, that's clever |
| 23:27.06 | Fnord^ | won't help vs patches tho |
| 23:27.07 | dream_kill | as i wanted to have the linux part on the sd card |
| 23:27.08 | RyeBrye | dream_kill - that's why you want the htc thing to compile? |
| 23:27.14 | spikebike | ext2.ko are floating around for rc19 and rc29 |
| 23:27.14 | dream_kill | ;) |
| 23:27.23 | alansj | Fnord^: I believe that's what JesusFreke already did, although it would be better to have it in an easily packable format (and with the RC30 updates) |
| 23:27.26 | saurik | yeah, from http://www.saurik.com/id/10 |
| 23:27.34 | alansj | JesusFreke created his through the full build process |
| 23:27.34 | dream_kill | and windows mobile on the internal flash |
| 23:27.41 | spikebike | yup ;-) |
| 23:27.52 | saurik | dream_kill: if you go there I have links to my ext2.ko's |
| 23:27.53 | dream_kill | saulik |
| 23:28.02 | dream_kill | how did u compiled the kernel ? |
| 23:28.03 | alansj | ok, headed out for a few |
| 23:28.12 | saurik | dream_kill: the same way I compiled almost any kernel? |
| 23:28.14 | Fnord^ | alansj, yeah. recovery.img doesn't discriminate against versions tho. only signings |
| 23:28.15 | dream_kill | nice to see u here from iphone comunity :D |
| 23:28.43 | dream_kill | but u used the msm-htc-2.6.25 or the kernel from sdk ? |
| 23:28.51 | DarkriftX | lots of people are coming together for android |
| 23:28.59 | saurik | the one from the sdk (it doesn't matter as I'm not trying to get an entire kernel, just ext2) |
| 23:29.01 | DarkriftX | i see wm, iphone and symbian users all here working on stuff |
| 23:29.11 | dream_kill | aha :D |
| 23:29.12 | DarkriftX | funny to watch the differences in ideas |
| 23:29.24 | dream_kill | oki |
| 23:29.32 | dream_kill | then let me make a new boot.img :D |
| 23:29.40 | saurik | https://android.clients.google.com/updates/signed-kila-ota-116143-prereq.TC4-RC19+RC28+RC29.zip |
| 23:29.43 | saurik | (btw) |
| 23:29.44 | dream_kill | with os on the card |
| 23:29.53 | DarkriftX | wtf is that one |
| 23:29.58 | saurik | that's RC30 |
| 23:30.12 | DarkriftX | full rc30? |
| 23:30.12 | dream_kill | how the hell u get the links to the updates :P |
| 23:30.18 | saurik | full rc30 |
| 23:30.22 | DarkriftX | ouch |
| 23:30.23 | DarkriftX | thats a new one |
| 23:30.24 | saurik | and I just guessed the URL |
| 23:30.25 | saurik | as it was simple |
| 23:30.32 | dream_kill | haha |
| 23:30.38 | DarkriftX | how did you guess the 116143 part :S |
| 23:30.45 | saurik | that's the build number of rc30 |
| 23:30.52 | DarkriftX | ahh |
| 23:31.08 | DarkriftX | so this takes you to rc30 from 19 or 29 |
| 23:31.14 | saurik | or rc28 |
| 23:31.17 | dream_kill | nice |
| 23:31.17 | Dialekt | ITS MY BIRTHDAY |
| 23:31.19 | DarkriftX | ah, yeah |
| 23:31.21 | Dialekt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZZxnDbOyVU |
| 23:31.23 | Dialekt | BIRTHDAY VID |
| 23:31.25 | Dialekt | WHOO HOO |
| 23:31.30 | Dialekt | punches DarkriftX |
| 23:31.37 | DarkriftX | shoots Dialekt |
| 23:31.43 | Fnord^ | so hopefully this one is more stable |
| 23:31.46 | DarkriftX | Dialekt, have you seen the wiki we are making? |
| 23:31.50 | DarkriftX | android-dls.com/wiki |
| 23:31.56 | dream_kill | yep, nice one |
| 23:32.06 | Dialekt | wiki? |
| 23:32.09 | saurik | for the record, this is wrong: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=OTA_Updates you have RC28 marked as RC19 |
| 23:32.10 | Dialekt | or MY BIRTHDAY |
| 23:32.11 | Dialekt | ? |
| 23:32.13 | Dialekt | lol |
| 23:32.15 | saurik | fixes it |
| 23:32.17 | saurik | (as its a wiki |
| 23:32.22 | Dialekt | should buy a g1? |
| 23:32.31 | Dialekt | DO YOU EVEN HAVE A G1 YET DARKPOSER |
| 23:32.34 | Dialekt | lol |
| 23:32.37 | DarkriftX | its mostly RyeBrye (i think) but ive been making base pages and ppl have been editing |
| 23:32.43 | DarkriftX | not yet |
| 23:32.55 | dream_kill | i don't get this |
| 23:32.57 | dream_kill | in update |
| 23:32.59 | dream_kill | require version-baseband=1.22.12.29 |
| 23:33.06 | RyeBrye | That full version might be helpful |
| 23:33.11 | dream_kill | and they include SAME radio version!?!?!?!? |
| 23:33.18 | dream_kill | what's the point of that ? |
| 23:33.19 | RyeBrye | anyone want to take this discussion to #android-hacking briefly where infobot isn't stalking us? |
| 23:33.25 | DarkriftX | ill be adding it to the wiki in about 3 mins |
| 23:33.28 | Dialekt | dude |
| 23:33.30 | Dialekt | BUY ONE |
| 23:33.31 | Dialekt | NOW |
| 23:34.31 | Damm | k, grabbed a new MicroSD card with a adapter |
| 23:34.36 | Damm | putting RC30 on it for shits and grins |
| 23:35.06 | spikebike | because you don't need root? |
| 23:35.36 | Damm | spikebike, correct |
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| 23:36.02 | Damm | more so a working phone is more important then root |
| 23:36.41 | spikebike | I think I might be able to trick the rc29->rc30 update, but not the full rc30 |
| 23:36.59 | dream_kill | simple trick |
| 23:37.00 | Damm | this is a rc29 to rc30 update that's failing |
| 23:37.06 | dream_kill | make ur own recovery.img |
| 23:37.12 | dream_kill | flash it in device |
| 23:37.13 | saurik | damm: use the full rc30 update then |
| 23:37.19 | RyeBrye | spikebike - I think hacking on a full RC30 update is easier |
| 23:37.21 | dream_kill | in update.zip replace the recovery.img with urs |
| 23:37.27 | spikebike | RyeBrye sure |
| 23:37.30 | dream_kill | re-sign the update.zip |
| 23:37.31 | Damm | saurik, url? |
| 23:37.32 | dream_kill | flash it |
| 23:37.41 | saurik | < saurik> https://android.clients.google.com/updates/signed-kila-ota-116143-prereq.TC4-RC19+RC28+RC29.zip |
| 23:37.42 | spikebike | not sure I'd call it simple |
| 23:37.49 | dream_kill | off |
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| 23:37.57 | trav530 | dream_kill: BTW, re: mtd partitions: when i said "the driver", i mean "the nand driver". |
| 23:38.19 | dream_kill | did u found inside ? |
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| 23:38.29 | trav530 | not yet - i don't have the code handy. |
| 23:38.41 | trav530 | but if you can find the drivers/mtd/nand driver that it's using, it's likely in there, |
| 23:38.55 | trav530 | since the NAND drivers basically "instantiate" the mtd driver |
| 23:39.03 | trav530 | upon init, they set partition info |
| 23:39.14 | Damm | rc29 worked. |
| 23:39.16 | trav530 | i've never seen this done dynamically -- always hardcoded into the nand driver |
| 23:39.29 | Damm | downloading that zip saurik and i'll try that. |
| 23:40.00 | trav530 | dream_kill: look for "struct mtd_partition" |
| 23:40.43 | trav530 | i'm not very handy right now -- i have neither source code or my g1 available, so i'm quite out of the loop at the moment |
| 23:41.06 | dream_kill | not found in kernel/drivers/mtd/nad |
| 23:41.10 | dream_kill | nand |
| 23:41.21 | trav530 | hmmm... very odd. if i have time, i'll poke around some more |
| 23:41.34 | trav530 | maybe it's a g1-specific patch? |
| 23:41.42 | trav530 | does your kernel tree include g1 stuff? |
| 23:42.01 | dream_kill | is doing a grep "struct mtd_partion" * -R in root of sdk |
| 23:42.08 | trav530 | err. i mean, it's *definitely* for the g1, i'm just asking if the android tree you're looking at is g1 |
| 23:42.13 | trav530 | heh |
| 23:42.30 | trav530 | that assumes one space between struct and mtd_partition, though. :) |
| 23:42.48 | dream_kill | yep :D |
| 23:43.03 | dream_kill | just changed the bootlogo on his g1 :D |
| 23:43.26 | Fnord^ | hm |
| 23:43.29 | dream_kill | no more t-mobile booring boot logo :D |
| 23:43.31 | Fnord^ | mtd0 == ??? |
| 23:43.35 | dream_kill | nope |
| 23:44.02 | wayneward | how you loose the t mobile boot logo!! |
| 23:44.04 | wasabi | so has anybody published any info about how the system is 'set up'? |
| 23:44.14 | Fnord^ | define 'set up' |
| 23:44.16 | wasabi | That is, file system layout, init structure... x server used if X is even used. |
| 23:44.23 | wasabi | how the mtd devices are laid out. |
| 23:44.34 | wasabi | how the boot process works. |
| 23:44.51 | wasabi | what closed drivers there are... in kernel, modules, etc. |
| 23:45.02 | Fnord^ | not sure which mtd device is which, as far as boot and recovery goes |
| 23:45.38 | wasabi | what's the fs used? jffs2? |
| 23:45.49 | wasabi | is it laid out like a traditional linux system? |
| 23:46.04 | RyeBrye | yaffs2 |
| 23:46.30 | wasabi | Ahh |
| 23:46.34 | wasabi | Is the FS read only? |
| 23:46.38 | wasabi | With specific parts rw? |
| 23:46.39 | Fnord^ | you can get the initrd from boot image by extracting from offset 1392640 onwards |
| 23:46.44 | Fnord^ | it's a gzipped cpio |
| 23:46.51 | saurik | wasabi: android is like majorly open source and documented, the G1 isn't a major deviation from the base system; almost all of your questions can be easily answered from their website |
| 23:47.02 | wasabi | oh. i did not realize that, then. |
| 23:47.14 | saurik | http://code.google.com/android/ |
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| 23:47.55 | saurik | it isn't just open source to help developers of apps, its open source to help handset manufacturers put it on their handsets, so its at least somewhat documented all the way down |
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| 23:49.02 | trav530 | dream_kill: no results in your partition search? |
| 23:49.12 | dream_kill | nada |
| 23:49.14 | dream_kill | nope |
| 23:49.16 | Fnord^ | heh full rc30 update-script got totally rewritten, in comparison to patch rc30 |
| 23:49.47 | dream_kill | is doing a grep "mtd_partion" * -R in root of sdk |
| 23:49.48 | trav530 | dream_kill: does the android source tree include G1-specific stuff? |
| 23:49.55 | Fnord^ | format SYSTEM: |
| 23:50.00 | Damm | trav530, no |
| 23:50.00 | Fnord^ | this one nukes EVERYTHING |
| 23:50.07 | Damm | Fnord^, right, which makes sense |
| 23:50.16 | saurik | Fnord^: ? the full one looks almost identical to the rc29 full one |
| 23:50.21 | trav530 | Damm: are those patches available somewhere? |
| 23:50.28 | Fnord^ | ahhh |
| 23:50.36 | saurik | the rc30 patch is definitely going to be different, though, as its doing something different |
| 23:50.37 | spikebike | some of the g1 stuff isn't opensource |
| 23:50.38 | Damm | trav530, you have to pull them off your file, there's instructions on the android.kernel.org |
| 23:50.46 | Fnord^ | i suppose set_perm in that would work |
| 23:50.47 | spikebike | IM client, market, and related pieces |
| 23:51.05 | trav530 | sb: i know, but i was hoping the kernel patches might be. and, if they're not modules, i think they have to be |
| 23:51.14 | spikebike | trav agreed |
| 23:51.19 | *** join/#android ITechJunkie (n=trevor@ip72-198-61-100.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 23:51.29 | Fnord^ | set_perm 0 3004 02755 SYSTEM:bin/ping |
| 23:51.33 | Fnord^ | is that even valid? |
| 23:51.38 | spikebike | ya |
| 23:51.41 | trav530 | dream_kill: so, that might be your prob - your kernel tree may not have g1-specific patches in it |
| 23:51.41 | spikebike | setgid |
| 23:51.51 | spikebike | 3004 is inet or something |
| 23:52.08 | alansj | dream_kill: hey where's the boot logo? I managed to add a splash _after_ the boot logo by adding an initlogo.rle but the G1 logo stays |
| 23:52.12 | Fnord^ | aha |
| 23:52.23 | spikebike | -rwxr-sr-x root net_raw 26628 2008-08-01 05:00 ping |
| 23:52.23 | spikebike | -rwxr-sr-x root inet 5616 2008-08-01 05:00 netcfg |
| 23:53.08 | trav530 | okay all, gotta run. good luck and thanks for the info! |
| 23:53.09 | Fnord^ | k so new way of dealing with it would be adding : set_perm 0 2000 4755 SYSTEM:bin/sh |
| 23:53.09 | Fnord^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.35 | spikebike | ya |
| 23:53.36 | saurik | Fnord^: that would be a bad idea, as you probably don't want everything that happens to use system() to end up setuid |
| 23:53.53 | spikebike | true |
| 23:54.04 | spikebike | I prefer cat sh > su |
| 23:54.08 | spikebike | then suid that |
| 23:54.09 | Fnord^ | saurik, that's just temporary, until you can load terminal and copy sh to a /system/bin/rootme or something |
| 23:54.10 | dream_kill | make it 04777 |
| 23:54.11 | dream_kill | :D |
| 23:54.30 | Fnord^ | not sure how to copy in that. the command is probably concat |
| 23:54.31 | dream_kill | so u can write in it as normal user too :D |
| 23:54.35 | Fnord^ | it's not a shell script |
| 23:54.56 | dream_kill | do a symlink :D |
| 23:55.36 | saurik | dream_kill: symlinks can't be marked setuid |
| 23:55.41 | Fnord^ | uh that won't work |
| 23:56.06 | saurik | and if you are making your own firmware upgrade, why not just copy it in the actual file? |
| 23:56.17 | Fnord^ | good point |
| 23:56.17 | saurik | you have a directory, in the .zip file, called /system |
| 23:56.48 | Fnord^ | ideally, porting a small 'su' and 'passwd' |
| 23:57.33 | saurik | passwd would be hard and not particularly useful |
| 23:57.45 | saurik | (if it even makes sense at all in the android security model) |
| 23:57.47 | Fnord^ | really convenience |
| 23:57.57 | Fnord^ | and eh, passwd's in busybox |
| 23:58.11 | Damm | weird |
| 23:58.17 | saurik | yes, and busybox's passwd probably attempts to edit /etc/passwd or something |
| 23:58.21 | saurik | which will fail if you actually try to use it |
| 23:58.37 | dream_kill | setprop ro.config.goole_account username@gmail.com:password should do the google "activation" screen :D |
| 23:58.55 | dream_kill | so no need to keep login after each restore :D |
| 23:59.26 | Fnord^ | depends...the login functions get added to a static binary, no? |
| 23:59.29 | alansj | Fnord^: would this su work for you? |
| 23:59.31 | alansj | http://android-dls.com/forum/index.php?f=20&t=158&rb_v=viewtopic |
