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| 00:08.17 | languish | KNY there's a short in the wired headphone call-answer button |
| 00:09.39 | languish | TMO and HTC were both telling me they did not warranty the wired G1 headphones. And yet, right there on page 48 of the T-Mobile Getting Started guide that comes in the box with the G1, it states they warranty the accessories for 12 months. |
| 00:10.01 | languish | Here's a copy of the guide in .pdf http://support.t-mobile.com/knowbase/root/public/tm30235.pdf |
| 00:10.10 | grey- | herm |
| 00:10.20 | grey- | can you buy the usb->headphone jack thing ? |
| 00:10.26 | grey- | or is it only shipping with newer g1's? |
| 00:10.33 | grey- | 's kinda annoyed he doesn't have the jack. |
| 00:10.34 | languish | You can buy it |
| 00:10.37 | languish | they're cheap |
| 00:10.40 | grey- | how much? |
| 00:10.46 | languish | depends on where you buy it |
| 00:10.50 | languish | you can find them for $3 |
| 00:11.04 | grey- | heh @ a tmobile store? |
| 00:11.05 | languish | price gouging stores sell them for $10 |
| 00:11.05 | grey- | or ebay? |
| 00:11.17 | languish | ebay or 3rd party stores |
| 00:11.24 | languish | it's the same adaptor that is for other htc devices |
| 00:11.28 | grey- | ah, kk. |
| 00:11.34 | languish | USBext to 3.5mm stereo |
| 00:11.43 | grey- | pretty lame to not just have a headphone jack. *sigh* |
| 00:11.58 | grey- | I'm looking forward to a samsung android in the future. |
| 00:12.03 | grey- | but the g1 will get me there for now. (: |
| 00:12.05 | languish | HTC actually recommended g1depot and boxwave |
| 00:12.09 | languish | (online stores) |
| 00:12.15 | grey- | huh, did the marketplace change the ToS or something? |
| 00:12.21 | languish | why? |
| 00:12.30 | grey- | I just got asked to agree to it again. |
| 00:12.34 | grey- | when I launched the market app. |
| 00:12.44 | languish | interesting, did you just update? |
| 00:12.51 | grey- | errr, I hope not? |
| 00:13.02 | grey- | is running a patch rc30 so he has su access. |
| 00:13.08 | languish | it's not asking me |
| 00:13.12 | grey- | heh, k. |
| 00:13.13 | languish | me too |
| 00:13.13 | grey- | weird. |
| 00:13.35 | grey- | anyway totally unrelated question... |
| 00:13.48 | grey- | yesterday i was asking about irc clients; and some people in here said they were working on them. |
| 00:14.03 | grey- | I was wondering if any of the said irc clients were going to support irc over ssl (e.g. irssi) |
| 00:14.16 | languish | good question |
| 00:17.27 | spikebike | ssh to irssi works ;-) |
| 00:17.36 | grey- | spikebike: hehe, this is true. |
| 00:17.37 | languish | heh |
| 00:17.51 | grey- | as does presumably doing the debian install and installing irssi locally. ;) |
| 00:18.05 | grey- | but I was wondering if anyone was working on an android/dalvik irc+ssl client. |
| 00:18.07 | languish | I still can't believe both t-mobile and HTC tried to deny warranty service though |
| 00:18.15 | languish | fucking screwy |
| 00:18.20 | grey- | there's so much repetition in the marketplace. |
| 00:18.31 | languish | until I slapped 'em with their own warranty policy |
| 00:18.34 | grey- | better to not start down a path others have already embarked on. |
| 00:18.55 | languish | yeah, there are 3 irc clients in the wings |
| 00:18.59 | languish | one of them will support it |
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| 00:19.08 | grey- | kewl |
| 00:19.10 | grey- | I hope so. |
| 00:19.38 | languish | I'm looking forward to seeing michaelnovakjr's client |
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| 00:20.05 | grey- | how so? |
| 00:20.24 | grey- | is unfamiliar with the name but is googling. |
| 00:20.27 | languish | He has the right mindset for android, and he's done good things with his other app(s?) |
| 00:20.35 | languish | he did the glance file manager |
| 00:20.43 | grey- | ah, k. |
| 00:20.59 | grey- | yeah for me this is more just functionality based. |
| 00:21.04 | languish | and worked with the connectbot guys on the file managing stuff to access keys off the asd card |
| 00:21.08 | languish | *microsd card |
| 00:21.11 | grey- | irc/ssl -> bitlbee-otr for IM+otr. |
| 00:21.17 | grey- | w/o ssl I could still do it |
| 00:21.41 | grey- | but leaking plaintext between handset and server, while ostensibly pretending that the communications are encrypted is the sort of thing the nsa does, not me. |
| 00:22.00 | grey- | connectbot is -great- ssh client. |
| 00:22.08 | languish | yeah, wouldn't want tmo catching wind of your inner pedobear |
| 00:22.11 | languish | :| |
| 00:22.14 | grey- | hands down better than any client I've used on windows mobile, symbian, etc. |
| 00:22.17 | grey- | haha |
| 00:22.30 | grey- | well, it's just kinda lame |
| 00:22.35 | languish | ^_^ |
| 00:22.35 | grey- | no otr support in any im clients. ;-/ |
| 00:22.47 | grey- | and while gchat is I assume encrypted jabber. |
| 00:22.58 | grey- | google has this great interface for searching things |
| 00:23.03 | grey- | which is counter to the concept of otr. |
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| 00:52.14 | languish | hmm |
| 00:52.31 | fnordg1 | Really? |
| 00:52.45 | languish | can the G1/android track usage for more than 1 battery? |
| 00:53.12 | fnordg1 | Dunno...define track usage |
| 00:54.19 | grey- | you mean like some newer dslr's? |
| 00:54.30 | grey- | that would be kinda odd in a phone. |
| 00:55.01 | languish | i need sleep, blanking on a word |
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| 00:55.25 | languish | when you deep cycle the battery to ____ |
| 00:55.52 | khert | first letter? |
| 00:55.56 | languish | *shrug* |
| 00:56.03 | khert | sounds like? |
| 00:56.05 | languish | brain's shutting down |
| 00:56.06 | fnordg1 | 'empty' ? |
| 00:56.29 | languish | it's to get the device to properly attune to the battery usage |
| 00:57.36 | fnordg1 | 'tune it' ? |
| 00:57.40 | fnordg1 | dunno |
| 00:57.43 | fnordg1 | break it in |
| 00:57.44 | fnordg1 | etc |
| 00:57.53 | languish | calibrate, that was the word |
| 00:57.59 | fnordg1 | yeah |
| 00:58.04 | languish | does the g1 remember the calibration for different batteries? |
| 00:58.08 | languish | along with usage stats |
| 00:58.23 | jbq | the G1 can't distinguish between its batteries. |
| 00:58.24 | fnordg1 | I thought the calibration was remembered on the battery |
| 00:58.34 | languish | jbq, ahh that sucks |
| 00:58.48 | languish | Fnord^-, perhaps, I dunno. |
| 00:58.57 | khert | now i know why you didn't want to say what it sounded like |
| 00:59.15 | languish | hur hur |
| 00:59.18 | jbq | It also doesn't have a current meter, so its ability to monitor the battery is extremely limited and grossly imprecise anyway. |
| 00:59.26 | languish | hmm |
| 00:59.34 | languish | noted, and thanks |
| 01:00.15 | languish | ahh, space invaders clone in the Market |
| 01:00.29 | herriojr | so, if I have a class send a message to a handler of another class, for some reason if I invalidate the view in the activity which contains the handler, nothing happens |
| 01:01.21 | herriojr | is that expected, or is it a bug? |
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| 01:26.27 | eldenz | meh, why do all contacts imported from gmail automatically get favourited? |
| 01:26.40 | grey- | because they're AWESOME. |
| 01:26.44 | eldenz | is there a way to batch-undo |
| 01:26.48 | eldenz | ;< |
| 01:27.02 | grey- | herm, I'm actually not sure. |
| 01:27.09 | grey- | that didn't appear to happen to me. |
| 01:27.38 | jbq | they're not imported, they're synced. You can organize them in gmail and the changes will be reflected on your G1. |
| 01:27.56 | eldenz | aaah.. lol. i put them in 'Starred in Android' and it didn't occur to me that this could mean they get a STAR |
| 01:28.23 | eldenz | i probably thought staring in ;< |
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| 01:28.50 | grey- | heh |
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| 01:35.43 | wastrel | dudes |
| 01:35.53 | grey- | sweet |
| 01:37.19 | infernix | jbq: that current meter, is that a kernel driver limitation or is there just no such thing on the hardware? |
| 01:37.49 | jbq | infernix: that's a hardware issue. |
| 01:38.06 | infernix | as in, the other core has the data but we can't acces it kind of hardware issue |
| 01:38.16 | infernix | or the fools forgot to put the chip in the phone type? |
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| 01:38.49 | jbq | The phone doesn't include a chip to measure current. |
| 01:39.18 | infernix | sighs |
| 01:39.28 | infernix | so you can't really know when it'll drop dead? |
| 01:39.30 | herriojr | is there a way for an activity to send itself an intent without crashing? |
| 01:40.20 | jbq | infernix: there's enough hardware to measure voltage, so that's enough to have some idea of mow much power is left. If your phone tells you you have 2% left, it won't be long until it's entirely out. |
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| 01:40.49 | infernix | ok |
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| 02:05.46 | Slackwise | AT&T just charged me $175 "Contract Terminal Fees" |
| 02:05.52 | Slackwise | PER LINE |
| 02:05.54 | Slackwise | One contract. |
| 02:06.04 | grey- | wow |
| 02:06.06 | Slackwise | $600 total. |
| 02:06.06 | grey- | teh fux? |
| 02:06.09 | grey- | wtf? |
| 02:06.13 | Slackwise | I had a one year. |
| 02:06.14 | Slackwise | It was done. |
| 02:06.19 | Slackwise | I was 2 months over the 1 year contracts ending. |
| 02:06.24 | grey- | ??? |
| 02:06.25 | grey- | crazy |
| 02:06.30 | Slackwise | I switched to T-Mobile... |
| 02:06.35 | Slackwise | And then this bill pops into my mailbox today. |
| 02:06.36 | grey- | man |
| 02:06.39 | grey- | I hope I don't get jacked like that |
| 02:06.44 | grey- | my two year contract expired. |
| 02:06.47 | grey- | called to cancel |
| 02:06.49 | ttuttle | Complain to them! |
| 02:06.54 | grey- | errr after ported number. |
| 02:06.55 | grey- | wtf. |
| 02:06.57 | Slackwise | ttuttle: Ohhhh, you think I wont? |
| 02:07.07 | Slackwise | You can't charge me THREE contract terminal fees for ONE contract. |
| 02:07.11 | grey- | greedy assholes. |
| 02:07.11 | Slackwise | One non-existant contract. |
| 02:07.22 | Slackwise | It was a god damn "FamilyTalk" plan. |
| 02:07.33 | ttuttle | Er, it's three contracts. |
| 02:07.35 | grey- | "Your account has been restricted because you have cancelled your wireless service with AT&T. You can only use myWireless to make the final payment on your outstanding balance. Access to other areas of myWireless is restricted for cancelled accounts. |
| 02:07.40 | grey- | " |
| 02:07.41 | grey- | $0 balance. |
| 02:07.42 | grey- | wow. |
| 02:07.44 | grey- | I think I'm good. |
| 02:07.47 | grey- | that's fucked. |
| 02:07.57 | Slackwise | ttuttle: I paid for everything, I am the only one who signed anything. |
| 02:08.24 | ttuttle | Slackwise: /me would avoid arguing the "it's one contract, so there's only one ETF" angle. |
| 02:09.03 | Slackwise | ttuttle: I'm going to argue where they came up with some magical extension to a 1 year contract that ended in July. |
| 02:09.28 | ttuttle | Slackwise: Good. That's legitimate. |
| 02:09.46 | Slackwise | Reeeally pissed. |
| 02:10.24 | Slackwise | How do phone number transfers work? |
| 02:10.36 | Slackwise | If I may ask anyone who is more clued in than me. |
| 02:10.59 | Slackwise | I transfered my numbers, all 3, with no problem. |
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| 02:18.27 | herriojr | I think I found a bug |
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| 02:50.56 | laura-- | What's the difference between using findViewById and LayoutFactory.inflate ? |
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| 03:05.47 | theCarpenter | I'm looking for 1) Something that does a simple POST request to dump data to a server 2) something that does a simple multipart HTTP upload request to dump something to a server |
| 03:05.57 | theCarpenter | opensource code snippet or something |
| 03:06.51 | theCarpenter | obviously 1) and 2) do not need to be the same code snippet or even the same program; i just need *some example* of the above |
| 03:09.21 | ismarc | check out anddev.org |
| 03:09.40 | ismarc | multipart upload tutorial was added today |
| 03:09.46 | ismarc | POST has been up there for a while |
| 03:10.10 | romainguy_ | umdk1d3: you here? |
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| 03:19.43 | theCarpenter | ismarc: are you sure that multipart tutorial was added today? |
| 03:19.48 | theCarpenter | it looks like it was posted on oct 04 |
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| 03:22.54 | Lieu10ant | hello. |
| 03:23.25 | eggy | hi |
| 03:23.39 | Lieu10ant | how's it goin? |
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| 03:24.10 | Lieu10ant | ouch... froze |
| 03:24.51 | ismarc | theCarpenter: maybe it was just updated today, I just saw it on "view posts since last visit" |
| 03:27.38 | theCarpenter | ismarc: gotcha |
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| 04:15.14 | solca | hi! |
| 04:15.21 | jasta | hello |
| 04:15.24 | solca | I'm booting android for the first time |
| 04:15.43 | solca | but I'm stuck |
| 04:15.45 | solca | http://pastebin.com/m43527a63 |
| 04:15.47 | solca | any idea |
| 04:15.49 | solca | ? |
| 04:16.32 | jasta | youre booting it on what? |
| 04:16.48 | jasta | it looks to me like /system and /data are not at all right. or /, even. |
| 04:17.06 | solca | i'm booting on a omap2 board |
| 04:17.23 | jasta | well, it definitely looks like you've not set up /data or /system as it expects. |
| 04:18.19 | solca | I just copy /data and /system to the initramdisk |
| 04:18.35 | solca | the initramdisk just have /init |
| 04:18.50 | solca | and empty /dev plus other things |
| 04:18.57 | solca | everything was in /system |
| 04:21.49 | solca | here is what I got in those dirs: http://pastebin.com/m6b254b3 |
| 04:22.20 | solca | \/data is empty |
| 04:22.34 | jasta | data shouldnt be empty... |
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| 04:22.47 | jasta | (i dont think *grin*) |
| 04:23.27 | solca | hmm, I just compiled the android src code, was busy all this week with the kernel |
| 04:23.37 | solca | and now that boots something is missing :) |
| 04:23.48 | muthu_ | mornin fellas |
| 04:23.59 | solca | mornin |
| 04:24.02 | muthu_ | jasta: what's up? |
| 04:24.06 | muthu_ | solca: hi |
| 04:24.56 | muthu_ | i'm thinking about a twitter like app for g1 |
| 04:25.12 | theCarpenter | muthu_: or say just an interface to twitter? |
| 04:25.25 | muthu_ | theCarpenter: no not an interface to twitter |
| 04:25.26 | theCarpenter | id be surprised if it hasn't been done already |
| 04:25.42 | muthu_ | take the twitter idea and apply to something useful ;) |
| 04:25.48 | jasta | http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/11/01/browsing-android-source-in-eclipse/ -- hmm, this is interesting |
| 04:25.53 | jasta | though apparently doesn't work. hmm. |
| 04:26.01 | andyross | Hrm... if only twitter had a way to send arbitrary text messages to phones. Now that would be a great idea! Wait... |
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| 04:26.22 | shine702 | hello |
| 04:26.23 | muthu_ | twitter can be channelised imo |
| 04:26.43 | theCarpenter | twitter is a glorified message passing system |
| 04:26.57 | muthu_ | right, can we make use of it for business? |
| 04:26.57 | theCarpenter | i'm not quite sure what you want here |
| 04:27.09 | theCarpenter | muthu_: can you make use of >message passing> for business... |
| 04:27.23 | muthu_ | here's what i'm thinking: |
| 04:27.25 | theCarpenter | muthukrishnan |
| 04:27.32 | muthu_ | theCarpenter: heh |
| 04:27.38 | muthu_ | muthuxxxxx |
| 04:27.57 | theCarpenter | i know ten academics with that last name =] |
| 04:28.03 | muthu_ | lol |
| 04:28.32 | theCarpenter | and another ten corporate programmers and sysadmins with the same |
| 04:28.32 | muthu_ | so back to twitter.. |
| 04:28.35 | theCarpenter | anyway continue :) |
| 04:28.47 | muthu_ | muthu is the most common name in tamilnadu |
| 04:29.11 | theCarpenter | >back to twitter |
| 04:29.29 | muthu_ | why can't we use twitter for jobs? |
| 04:29.48 | muthu_ | you know connect the employer <==> employee.. |
| 04:29.52 | muthu_ | that's my line of thinking |
| 04:29.55 | theCarpenter | because you dont want confidential information sitting in a cloud service |
| 04:29.59 | theCarpenter | the idea itself is fine |
| 04:30.07 | theCarpenter | but you want some internal message passing system with a good web interface |
| 04:30.11 | muthu_ | ok, make it secure/private.. yada yada |
| 04:30.17 | theCarpenter | indeed! |
| 04:30.24 | weihsiu | how does im work in g1? i dont own one yet |
| 04:30.31 | muthu_ | that's what i was thinking.. secure private twitter |
| 04:30.36 | muthu_ | to connect people |
| 04:30.37 | theCarpenter | itshould support different models - publish-subscribe, push-to-box, etc |
| 04:30.50 | theCarpenter | muthu_: It almost seems like you want a Simple Message Transfer Protocol |
| 04:30.57 | muthu_ | lol |
| 04:31.01 | theCarpenter | :P |
| 04:31.04 | weihsiu | does it keep a xmpp connection open at all times? |
| 04:31.10 | muthu_ | meh.. smtp is so old school.. |
| 04:31.32 | muthu_ | people like twitter |
| 04:31.45 | theCarpenter | twitter is just a new interface on an old idea |
| 04:31.54 | muthu_ | twitter for jobs, movies, dining.. |
| 04:31.56 | muthu_ | whatever |
| 04:31.57 | theCarpenter | just use SMTP and tack on a social interface and you're set |
| 04:32.07 | theCarpenter | you're discussing interfaces and use patterns |
| 04:32.18 | theCarpenter | that's an entirely different world than the underyling protocols/tech |
| 04:32.18 | muthu_ | what do you think? |
| 04:32.26 | jasta | checks out mobeegal *hehe* |
| 04:32.27 | muthu_ | yeah, forget about protocol/tech |
| 04:32.28 | theCarpenter | your idea is a good one, just be aware of exactly what you're trying to do |
| 04:32.47 | muthu_ | jasta: the new idea will replace mobeegal |
| 04:32.53 | theCarpenter | people try and reinvent wheels because they're convinced their idea is so awesome that noone could possibly have thought about it before |
| 04:32.53 | jasta | i'm just poking fun |
| 04:33.02 | muthu_ | haha.. i know |
| 04:33.10 | theCarpenter | anyway im off gentleman |
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| 04:33.53 | muthu_ | jasta: what you think of this twitter idea? |
| 04:35.31 | jasta | i haven't been listening, but i'm sure in your usual fashion you are just firing at random hoping to get traction rather than thoughtfully working through real problems. |
| 04:35.50 | muthu_ | very thoughtful |
| 04:36.08 | muthu_ | there exists a real problem |
| 04:36.13 | jasta | spare me |
| 04:36.18 | muthu_ | heh |
| 04:36.28 | muthu_ | its weekend jasta! |
| 04:37.36 | muthu_ | jasta: what's a good whiskey to try? |
| 04:40.27 | muthu_ | wow, repo sync went from 1.4 to 2.6.27 |
| 04:42.37 | jbq | actually, 1.4 is the repo version, 2.6.27 is the linux version. |
| 04:42.44 | muthu_ | oh ok |
| 04:42.51 | muthu_ | lot of activity today |
| 04:43.26 | muthu_ | someone went on a tag spree |
| 04:44.07 | jasta | jbq: you have a lot of experience with HttpClient, right? I'm having a very strange issue that I can't figure out. |
| 04:44.54 | jbq | jasta: I have a little bit of experience, yeah. |
| 04:45.52 | jasta | it would seem that my aborted requests are not getting reabsorbed into the connection pool, causing the third and all subsequent requests to block in HttpClient#execute |
| 04:46.32 | jasta | specifically they block in ConnPoolByRoute#getConnection, waiting for a connection to become available |
| 04:47.44 | jasta | in my abort code, i merely call HttpMethod#abort(), then in the download thread i call the equivalent to HttpEntity#getEntity()#close |
| 04:47.59 | jasta | err HttpEntity#close :) |
| 04:48.12 | jasta | or something. no, it's getContent(). anyway... |
| 04:48.36 | jasta | according to the HttpClient docs, that is all you should need but something clearly isn't working right |
| 04:48.55 | jasta | i was hoping to debug it more aggressively but i can't figure out how to attach source to the Android eclipse plugin. Damn :) |
| 04:48.55 | jbq | You might need to close() them as well, though I'm not sure. I don't think that my code tries to execute more than one request per client, so I don't run into those isses. |
| 04:49.00 | jbq | s/isses/issues/ |
| 04:49.44 | jasta | jbq: and i wasn't running into it when i did the same. but according to the HttpClient devs, reusing the HttpClient instance is important for performance, and in my case it matters since i have the opportunity to reuse the connections |
| 04:50.09 | jasta | close() what btw? I am definitely closing the InputStream returned by HttpEntity#getContent |
| 04:50.32 | jbq | I don't remember, it's been many months since I did this. |
| 04:50.35 | jbq | :( |
| 04:50.47 | jasta | well, i think i could probably be more productive if i could interactively debug |
| 04:50.53 | jasta | any idea how to attach the source to Eclipse? :) |
| 04:51.12 | jbq | Nope, I've never used Eclipse. |
| 04:51.32 | jasta | sigh, normally it's quite easy but the android plugin disables that functionality |
| 04:52.24 | ismarc | Jasta, I don't know how with Eclipse, however, I can get you pointed in the right direction |
| 04:52.32 | jasta | ? |
| 04:52.36 | ismarc | jdb -sourcepath$WORKING/src -attach localhost:<port the app is on> |
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| 04:52.49 | ismarc | that'll attach the java debugger to the running package |
| 04:53.00 | ismarc | and with your sourcepath, voila |
| 04:53.16 | jasta | hmm. |
| 04:53.32 | jasta | i think it might be more productive to try to look at the android eclipse plugin, which apparently h as some support for this it's just totally undocumented |
| 04:54.59 | b0nn | hi guys, Im writing a basic app that reacts when the phone takes a picture |
| 04:55.22 | muthu_ | b0nn: what it does? |
| 04:55.33 | b0nn | i want to know where i find info about when a phone takes a pic, ie. what signals are available |
| 04:56.13 | b0nn | muthu_: nothing fancy, it's a practice run to learn about android |
| 04:56.38 | b0nn | just for the moment I need to detect that a picture has indeed been taken |
| 04:57.43 | KNY | b0nn, I'd start by looking at the Camera app source, but maybe I'm just a masochist :) |
| 04:58.42 | b0nn | are there no ways to interrogate the OS for events? |
| 04:58.49 | b0nn | or to be alerted of events? |
| 04:59.26 | muthu_ | events are all done through broadcast listeners |
| 04:59.41 | b0nn | ok |
| 04:59.57 | b0nn | could you point me toward some quality documentation on those? |
| 05:00.14 | muthu_ | the only documentation is android.com |
| 05:00.28 | muthu_ | the api that comes with your sdk |
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| 05:10.44 | romainguy | jasta: sigh, normally it's quite easy but the android plugin disables that functionality << I asked our SDK guys and apparently Eclipse doesn't make that easy and/or obvious to do |
| 05:10.53 | romainguy | it's not on purpose |
| 05:11.20 | jasta | romainguy: well, there seems to be some feature here to make it work |
| 05:11.24 | jasta | i just cant understand the magic |
| 05:11.33 | jasta | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.33 | jasta | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.41 | jasta | and i found this: |
| 05:11.42 | jasta | http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/11/01/browsing-android-source-in-eclipse/ |
| 05:11.47 | jasta | but it doesn't work for me and i don't know why |
| 05:12.53 | jasta | i think at that point it's just that eclipse expects me to do something i'm not doing. not sure how to work through that :) |
| 05:15.08 | romainguy | don't use Eclipse :) |
| 05:15.16 | romainguy | or don't use the plugin :p |
| 05:15.24 | jasta | i'm gonna try to figure it out :) |
| 05:16.43 | muthu_ | jasta: set a normal java project and debug |
| 05:23.32 | RyeBrye | If I want to have something constantly poll a resource (... tail a file, poll a webserver... etc) - and then pass a very simple update to the UI - I take it I should use a service, right? What's the lightest weight way to pass data from that service to the UI layer? a static variable? |
| 05:24.06 | jasta | RyeBrye: you only need a service if you care that this operation lives longer than the activities would normally. |
| 05:24.19 | ismarc | jasta: something that may fix your HttpClient issue (I'm not sure, haven't used the connection pool stuff with httpclient at all yet) is to do an HttpClient.getConnectionManager().releaseConnection() for the one you want to abort |
| 05:24.43 | jasta | ismarc: yeah im aware of that method, but i had thought (and httpclient's documentation *seems* to confirm) that it is unnecessary now. |
| 05:25.12 | jasta | that just calling close() on the InputStream rturned from HttpEntity#getContent was equivalent now |
| 05:27.07 | RyeBrye | jasta - so if I don't need a service (since I don't care if it runs in the background longer than the activity) - should I just use a timertask or something to do the polling? |
| 05:27.31 | jasta | i'd just use a worker thread that is doing a sleep. |
| 05:27.43 | RyeBrye | Ok, sounds simple enough. |
| 05:27.55 | romainguy | jasta: or use an alarm |
| 05:27.57 | jasta | but do realize that if the CPU falls asleep, your sleep isnt going to return until it wakes back up again. |
| 05:28.08 | RyeBrye | yeah, this wont be too crucial |
| 05:28.14 | jasta | romainguy: well, they're not interchangable. you use one for one sort of task and the other for another. |
| 05:28.16 | RyeBrye | not for this basic app I'm toying with at least |
| 05:28.30 | romainguy | jasta: if you need to do something periodically an alarm is as good as it gets |
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| 05:29.03 | jasta | romainguy: as i said, they solve different problems. alarms wake the cpu, sleeps and waits do not. it isn't a good idea to just use alarms without thinking about what you want. |
| 05:29.29 | jasta | in his case, if the cpu sleeps, he probably doesnt want to wake it to poll a file to update a screen the user isn't looking at |
| 05:30.07 | jasta | so if that's true, a non-realtime timer (as with Thread#sleep) would be much better. |
| 05:30.29 | RyeBrye | I'm realizing now how woefully un-savvy I am with threads :) |
| 05:31.24 | muthu_ | does an handler wake up the cpu? |
| 05:31.30 | romainguy | jasta: I agree, I just didn't look at what was needed :) |
| 05:32.07 | RyeBrye | wonders if some apps on his phone are using alarms improperly... because his cpu seems to never sleep |
| 05:32.24 | romainguy | RyeBrye: you can check the cpu sleep time in the phone info screen |
| 05:32.52 | Damm | i thought the apm sucked on the g1? |
| 05:33.08 | RyeBrye | romainguy: Right now my asleep time is 340917:10:45.... I'm not quite sure that is correct |
| 05:33.09 | jasta | muthu_: no, handlers use non-realtime timers (wait, in particular) |
| 05:33.20 | muthu_ | ok, thx |
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| 05:33.33 | RyeBrye | My uptime is 340925:33:20 :) |
| 05:33.35 | romainguy | RyeBrye: what is the awake time percentage? |
| 05:33.54 | jasta | muthu_: to my knowledge, the only realtime timer in android is with the AlarmManager service. so, everything else you should assume does not wake the cpu. |
| 05:34.01 | RyeBrye | romainguy - well... since the awake time seems to be the only one being listed properly it is 0% since it's got 8:23:02 awake time |
| 05:34.20 | romainguy | I'm talking about what's reported in Settings > About Phone > Status |
| 05:34.24 | muthu_ | jasta: ok |
| 05:34.27 | RyeBrye | Oh, I'm in device info |
| 05:35.13 | dellio | peoples, anyone care to give some tips of changing G1 startup logo (not android logo)??? |
| 05:35.34 | jasta | muthu_: generally, that's a good thing. and something you ought not concern yourself with. |
| 05:36.40 | jasta | only in special circimustances would you actually want to use an AlarmManager instead of another simpler timing mechanism. for instance, if you were implementing a connection keep-alive, you would need an AlarmManager because you really mean to run your code in x minutes, not whenever the phone feels like it. |
| 05:37.22 | jasta | similarly if you wanted to retry failed downloads in the background. you would need an alarmmanager |
| 05:37.34 | RyeBrye | romainguy - this is the screenshot of my device info: http://www.ryebrye.com/images/strange_uptime.png but don't think too much of whatever is causing that strange error... It's probably something unique to my phone |
| 05:37.40 | romainguy | speaking of which, we're thinking of changing AlarmManager to gather several alarms together |
| 05:37.59 | RyeBrye | It's unlikely that I have had my phone on for 38 years |
| 05:38.05 | RyeBrye | (as my uptime seems to think) |
| 05:38.11 | romainguy | for instance you would just say that you need an alarm every day, or every hour and the manager would try to wake all apps at the same time |
| 05:38.37 | jasta | romainguy: while you're at it, make a keep-alive alarm :) |
| 05:38.38 | romainguy | RyeBrye: what does the other screen say? the Status screen? |
| 05:38.45 | jasta | so i can wake my app up at the same time GTalk does ;) |
| 05:38.53 | romainguy | lazy :p |
| 05:39.12 | RyeBrye | romainguy - same thing |
| 05:39.40 | RyeBrye | I'm thinking somehow my phone thinks it was booted at 0, because it's been 38 years since 1970, right? |
| 05:39.45 | romainguy | RyeBrye: since you rooted and played with the firmware I blame you :)) |
| 05:39.56 | RyeBrye | Yeah, It's almost definitely my fault :) |
| 05:40.14 | RyeBrye | I'll go back to stock stuff later |
| 05:41.27 | RyeBrye | jasta - worker threads look really easy, thanks for the direction |
| 05:41.48 | jasta | i didn't actually imply any particular class by hte way. |
| 05:41.52 | jasta | i just meant a thread which does work :) |
| 05:42.18 | jasta | a thread that possibly all your activities can share in some way. |
| 05:42.20 | RyeBrye | Yeah, I know :) but I just realized I can do it all with an inner class very easily |
| 05:42.23 | jasta | or maybe not, depends on your design i suppose |
| 05:42.35 | jasta | RyeBrye: btw, i have implemented tail :) |
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| 05:42.47 | romainguy | RyeBrye: btw, if you need a worker thread that talks to the UI, I suggest you to look at the UserTask in Photostream's source code |
| 05:42.48 | RyeBrye | Jasta - where is tail implemented? |
| 05:42.59 | RyeBrye | romainguy - sounds good, I'll go check that out |
| 05:43.03 | romainguy | (part of a future version of Android, under the name AsyncTask) |
| 05:43.03 | jasta | http://code.google.com/p/five/source/browse/trunk/five-music/src/org/devtcg/five/music/util/streaming/TailStream.java |
| 05:44.06 | jasta | this class is particular to Five, of course, but i'm sure you could learn something from it |
| 05:44.18 | RyeBrye | Yes, that is helpful |
| 05:44.22 | RyeBrye | thanks |
| 05:44.51 | jasta | i encapsulate it as an InputStream so that i can just do blocking reads from it elsewhere. i expect your usage will want to be a bit different |
| 05:45.05 | jasta | in particular, you'd probably want a handler to communicate with the activity that some new data is available |
| 05:45.10 | jasta | or something. it's up to you :) |
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| 05:48.06 | jasta | romainguy: lol, i feel so stupid. my issue attaching the source was that i just didn't hit refresh on the library after i followed that guys howto... |
| 05:48.12 | romainguy | lol |
| 05:48.22 | jasta | i restarted eclipse, which is what i assumed to be sufficient |
| 05:48.53 | RyeBrye | has been bit by the eclipse refresh thing more than once |
| 05:49.08 | jasta | well this is pretty convenient now. i get android source code in eclipse :) |
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| 05:54.34 | romainguy | jasta: what's the status on your email changes btw? |
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| 05:54.36 | RyeBrye | romainguy - so if I'm doing something that will just post strings out of a file using userTask - but will do it indefinitely, it'd just be setting up a Usertask<void, String, void> right? |
| 05:55.10 | romainguy | yes |
| 05:55.14 | romainguy | you use the progress values |
| 05:55.19 | romainguy | except the types are Void not void |
| 05:55.34 | RyeBrye | ok |
| 05:55.48 | RyeBrye | yeah, that UserTask looks pretty slick |
| 05:55.51 | RyeBrye | you should get a raise |
| 05:55.53 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 05:56.47 | jasta | romainguy: currently working, but not yet finished. i need to fix 2 more known bugs and finish merging everything into a separate process |
| 05:57.41 | jasta | i have been talking with someone who has more experience with IMAP than I and has given me a few useful suggestions to handling the connection failure case though. i think i might integrate his suggestions this weekend to fix 1 of those known bugs. |
| 05:58.15 | jasta | splitting the process will be a big pain though, and i'm not sure it's wise to do yet. stadlero (sp?) has cautioned me about pretty big upcoming changes being merged in |
| 05:58.29 | romainguy | sp? |
| 05:58.32 | jasta | spelling |
| 05:58.39 | romainguy | ah yes |
| 05:58.41 | romainguy | Andy Stadler |
| 05:58.54 | romainguy | we are working hard to get our mainline onto git |
| 05:59.02 | romainguy | we finally have a perforce branch with the git layout |
| 05:59.21 | romainguy | it's pretty damn annoying to juggle between the old p4 layout, the new p4 layout and git :) |
| 05:59.35 | jasta | yeah, so i'm thinking i might put all the functional changes i need together and wait for that big dump to come. then work on splitting the processes. |
| 06:00.14 | jasta | the latter issue isn't really hard to do it's just that the diff is going to be nightmarish. just copying code around mostly. |
| 06:00.29 | romainguy | yeah tell me about it |
| 06:00.53 | romainguy | I have two branches with big changes in Home that make each merge a real pain in the ass |
| 06:01.10 | jasta | my gf is going to be gone for 3 weeks in December for her work, so i bet all of these things will get done then :) |
| 06:01.37 | muthu_ | jasta: we need to send your gf on vacation, to make your productive :)) |
| 06:02.40 | jasta | romainguy: the design of IMAP is somewhat unfortunate when combined with android's wifi behaviour |
| 06:02.52 | romainguy | we should fix the IMAP RFC then ^^ |
| 06:02.56 | jasta | in particular, each time the idling connection is broken and restored, i need to perform part of a full sync. |
| 06:03.17 | jasta | with wifi on, this means each time the phone sleeps and wakes back up this will happen |
| 06:03.17 | romainguy | I know there are changes that are going on with WiFi, I don't know if that's gonna help you though |
| 06:03.59 | jasta | i think what i will do is implement some sort of throttling feature. so that it will only do the partial resync so many times per hour |
| 06:04.28 | romainguy | if you can make a push that doesn't suck the battery out I'm sold |
| 06:04.33 | jasta | or maybe ill just say "if you use wifi, your battery life will be sucky." :) |
| 06:04.35 | romainguy | I had to disable push email on my iPhone |
| 06:04.46 | romainguy | it was just awful |
| 06:04.54 | romainguy | it would drain the battery on EDGE in half a day |
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| 06:05.10 | jasta | romainguy: it's a really hard problem to solve, but it can be done. it works best, of course, if you dont get emails that frequently |
| 06:05.19 | romainguy | true |
| 06:05.33 | romainguy | but I'm talking about an account that didn't get that many emails per day |
| 06:05.37 | romainguy | 20 to 50 |
| 06:05.43 | romainguy | hence the suck |
| 06:05.47 | jasta | the best thing you can do is just optimize the hell out of the case when idle wakes you up |
| 06:05.57 | romainguy | yep |
| 06:06.22 | jasta | well i get about 20 to 50 a day and i can say my code at least beats your experience with the iphone :) |
| 06:06.33 | romainguy | I certainly hope so |
| 06:06.36 | jasta | the iphone probably lazily is performing a partial resync each time its woken up |
| 06:06.42 | romainguy | because I get in the hundreds a day on my gmail account |
| 06:07.33 | jasta | one thing that can be done is to avoid waking yourself up until some short period after you are tickled |
| 06:07.55 | jasta | that is, when you are alerted to a new message, wait a minute, then react. this helps for the case when you get flooded with lots of messages all at once. |
| 06:08.18 | jasta | i can tell the gmail app on android does this. either that or its really slow ;) |
| 06:08.27 | jasta | you can see it get tickled and then like a minute later say something about it |
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| 06:09.05 | romainguy | waiting for a minute (or more) seems like a sensible approach |
| 06:09.11 | romainguy | it's not like you need this to be true realtime |
| 06:09.25 | jasta | anyway, decent battery life with push e-mail is a possibility. i will do my best ;) |
| 06:09.29 | romainguy | and with high frequency mail account like the ones we have at google, that must help a lot |
| 06:09.49 | jasta | however, the _best_ possible battery utilization would happen only if GTalk and my/other apps could share the CPU :) |
| 06:10.07 | jasta | *hint hint* |
| 06:10.09 | RyeBrye | if its's high frequency, wouldn't pull email on a regular schedule work ok? |
| 06:10.53 | jasta | RyeBrye: that's up to the user to decide. personally i would find that on a high volume inbox i'd rather not have my phone use push. i would find it pretty annoying :) |
| 06:13.03 | romainguy | it is annoying :) |
| 06:13.21 | romainguy | actually I have to admit I don't find push email that useful |
| 06:13.32 | romainguy | a 30 minutes/1 hour pull frequency works great for my use |
| 06:13.42 | dellio | guys, in android mtd2 image there is a file logo.rle, anyone know what that file is??? is it the first boot G1 logo???? |
| 06:13.55 | jasta | romainguy: really, you guys should consider offering a way for apps to hook into a reasonable alarm to avoid connection resets. |
| 06:14.06 | romainguy | file a feature request |
| 06:14.14 | romainguy | I do pixels and widgets :) |
| 06:14.23 | jasta | this way the platform could abstract network-specific details which developers are unlikely to ever acquire |
| 06:14.26 | jasta | :) |
| 06:14.27 | jasta | hehe |
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| 06:17.54 | jasta | bbl, back to fixing my busted HttpClient usage :) |
| 06:22.45 | jasta | ohhhh, interesting :) |
| 06:23.27 | jasta | source code sure did help a lot on that one. stumbled upon a comment while stepping that tells me exactly why my usage is wrong |
| 06:24.01 | jasta | if you call HttpMethod#abort from a separate thread in order to unblock the I/O, you still must also call the same method on the same object in the downloading thread |
| 06:24.27 | romainguy | you mean you need to call abort() from both threads? |
| 06:24.29 | jasta | the method behaves differently depending on which thread its called from. only in the connection thread will it release the connection. |
| 06:24.56 | jasta | romainguy: yes, abort() from a separate thread will merely unjam the blocking thread. called from the jammed thread, it will release the connection. |
| 06:25.21 | jasta | it will throw an IOException, which you are required to respond to with method.abort() |
| 06:25.40 | romainguy | I have to admit HttpClient is powerful |
| 06:25.44 | romainguy | but I don't like the APIs |
| 06:25.48 | jasta | i thought i was being clever by saying if isAborted == false, abort |
| 06:28.16 | Fnord^- | hah, market comments got disabled? |
| 06:30.36 | jasta | tests... |
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| 07:04.10 | jasta | romainguy: as it turns out, i think you are are actually not supposed to call HttpMethod#abort again, but rather in the case that you shutdown from a separate thread you must work out your own way to call releaseConnection |
| 07:04.38 | jasta | which is pretty bizarre to me, but whatever |
| 07:05.11 | jasta | normally they provide a handler ofr IOException, calling checkAbort which will abort and release your connection |
| 07:05.39 | jasta | it checks if the connection has already been aborted and does nothing if it has. your separate thread sets this flag, so the only thread that could handle releasing the connection won't do it. |
| 07:05.59 | jasta | very odd |
| 07:06.13 | jasta | i realize now that their example is not like mine, because their example is single threaded |
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| 07:32.26 | jasta | romainguy: i give up, im calling this a bug in HttpClient :\ |
| 07:32.45 | jasta | im gonna just detect this case specially (abort) and tear down the whole HttpClient instance. |
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| 07:53.27 | kennyyu | hi there. i'm not sure if there'll be some guide on hacking android's source |
| 07:53.29 | kennyyu | ?? |
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| 08:12.57 | RyeBrye | romainguy - that UserTask is really sweet |
| 08:13.12 | RyeBrye | romainguy - thanks :) I think it does exactly what I was looking for :) |
| 08:13.46 | romainguy | glad you like it |
| 08:15.01 | RyeBrye | It's perfect for those of us who are thread-retards :) |
| 08:15.26 | romainguy | to me it was useful mostly to avoid having Handlers all over the place |
| 08:16.20 | RyeBrye | Yeah, that's nice about it too |
| 08:16.48 | RyeBrye | I'm just doing a basic throw-away app now to get my feet wet, but I'll definitely use that more when I start doing real apps |
| 08:17.57 | romainguy | I need to finish my app @!# |
| 08:18.09 | RyeBrye | Which app? |
| 08:19.19 | romainguy | http://progx.org/users/Gfx/shelves.mp4 |
| 08:19.53 | romainguy | (this version had drawing bugs) |
| 08:29.40 | jasta | yes, you do |
| 08:29.54 | jasta | :) |
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| 09:09.27 | [ShadowGhost] | yoooo |
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| 10:06.36 | jasta | romainguy: you there? |
| 10:07.13 | RyeBrye | finished making a drawing app that will track two fingers... (kind of) and is off to bed |
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| 10:07.35 | jasta | i hate multitouch actually :) |
| 10:07.50 | RyeBrye | I want it for zoom, and that's about it |
| 10:07.53 | jasta | i played with it just yesterday on an iphone and i think it is awkward |
| 10:08.01 | RyeBrye | oh, and 2-player air hockey |
| 10:08.37 | RyeBrye | Yeah, it's not the pinnacle of human existence or anything, but it's nice to have in some situations |
| 10:09.12 | RyeBrye | I hate those damn zoom buttons on the browser... I frequently have to interact wth stuff that they cover up so I have to scoot the page over just to hit a submit button or something |
| 10:09.18 | romainguy | jasta: yup? |
| 10:09.28 | jasta | romainguy: i'm curious for your opinion on something |
| 10:09.28 | romainguy | I don't like multitouch either |
| 10:09.34 | romainguy | it's nice when you try it |
| 10:09.39 | romainguy | then never use it again :) |
| 10:09.47 | romainguy | the only multitouch I like is two fingers to scroll with a trackpad |
| 10:09.52 | romainguy | jasta: sure, shoot |
| 10:10.11 | jasta | i've been thinking about downloading thumbnails during ifve's initial sync (instead of the full sized versions), and downloading the full-sized versions async when it needs to display album art |
| 10:10.20 | romainguy | sounds good |
| 10:10.31 | jasta | except the problem is that five of course might be also trying to stream the music you chose |
| 10:10.40 | jasta | so you certainly wouldnt want to steal bandwidth away from that |
| 10:10.52 | romainguy | what size of thumbnail were you thinking about? |
| 10:10.59 | RyeBrye | 1920 x 1080? |
| 10:11.01 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 10:11.03 | RyeBrye | runs off to bed |
| 10:11.13 | jasta | romainguy: the thumbnails are 64x64, full-sized are 300x300 |
| 10:11.14 | romainguy | because a 64x64 jpg should use little bandwidth |
| 10:11.31 | romainguy | especially if you use high levels of compression |
| 10:11.32 | jasta | but the full-sized ones would be the ones that need to be downloaded on demand, as with potentially the music itself. |
| 10:12.24 | romainguy | what if you use a low priority thread? |
| 10:12.34 | romainguy | it will take time to download the art, but that's not the most important thing |
| 10:12.35 | jasta | would that mean anything? |
| 10:13.02 | jasta | without knowing anything about your scheduler, i would be surprised to find that it could impact low speed download performance |
| 10:13.21 | romainguy | we do use priorities in mainly places |
| 10:13.21 | jasta | the issue is forcing the radio to compete between downloading album artwork (not important) and streaming music (very important) |
| 10:13.33 | romainguy | I know a lot of work went into the scheduler to give us better control on the threads |
| 10:14.24 | jasta | hmm. i would be surprised if that could do anything meaningful generically |
| 10:15.06 | romainguy | could you cook a quick test? |
| 10:15.18 | jasta | possibly. i might have to do that. |
| 10:15.57 | jasta | the initial sync still has to download something like 25MB worth of artwork for my collection (70GB of music). which is a lot :) |
| 10:16.12 | romainguy | on 3G it's not that much |
| 10:16.27 | jasta | the total throughput ends up being about 32MB with database. |
| 10:16.49 | jasta | but i suppose t-mobile's 3g is about 700-900kbps, so that would be... |
| 10:17.07 | romainguy | well I regularly download 50 MB podcasts in the shuttle in the morning |
| 10:17.13 | romainguy | and listen to them in the shuttle when the download is over |
| 10:17.25 | romainguy | and that's on a shuttle driving on the highway |
| 10:18.10 | jasta | hmm. how long does that take usually? i just calculated my case to be about 6 minutes... |
| 10:18.29 | romainguy | hmm in my case, because it switches to edge from time to time, it takes about 20 minutes |
| 10:18.39 | romainguy | which I would find tolerable for a first time sync |
| 10:18.47 | romainguy | depends on what you want the user experience to be |
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| 10:19.00 | romainguy | I personally wouldn't mind doing the first sync over WiFi for instance |
| 10:19.08 | jasta | yeah i suppose |
| 10:19.11 | romainguy | anyway, time to go to bed |
| 10:19.15 | romainguy | good luck :) |
| 10:19.15 | jasta | night |
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| 12:05.10 | Dialekt | HI |
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| 12:36.36 | eris | hi |
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| 13:07.04 | Dialekt | chillen |
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| 13:57.51 | Dialekt | what |
| 13:58.44 | eldenz | in connectbot, how do i detach a screen? (ctrl-a d) |
| 13:58.52 | bibuntu | are there any IRC clients for android? |
| 13:59.11 | bibuntu | eldenz: I remembered seeing that as the Picture key |
| 13:59.33 | eldenz | "picture key" = ? :) |
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| 14:00.35 | eldenz | ah figured it out :) |
| 14:00.43 | eldenz | trackball == ctrl |
| 14:00.46 | bibuntu | was it the trac |
| 14:00.47 | bibuntu | yea |
| 14:01.00 | eldenz | thx |
| 14:02.18 | bibuntu | for my question, I suppose there's irssi |
| 14:02.41 | eldenz | yeah.. i think the only way is connectbot+ssh+irssi |
| 14:08.56 | Dialekt | http://www.blackberryforums.com/1178272-post50.html |
| 14:08.59 | Dialekt | weak. |
| 14:12.16 | languish | comments disabled in the Market? |
| 14:15.37 | eldenz | any musthave apps besides connectbot? ;> |
| 14:19.02 | languish | "must have" is relative. I find the Countdown Alarm++ to be very handy. |
| 14:19.20 | languish | I use it a number of times a day |
| 14:19.38 | languish | The pricing comparison apps are also handy |
| 14:19.53 | languish | or at least have been for me |
| 14:20.30 | languish | if you use imap email, get jasta's mail client with impap idle |
| 14:20.37 | languish | *imap |
| 14:20.53 | Dialekt | languish |
| 14:20.57 | languish | sup Dialekt |
| 14:20.59 | Dialekt | how you holding up so far with android? |
| 14:21.02 | Dialekt | I failed |
| 14:21.04 | Dialekt | with the STORM |
| 14:21.05 | Dialekt | :( |
| 14:21.11 | languish | I'm enjoying the ride, but it's a rollercoaster for sure |
| 14:21.38 | Dialekt | i bet less of a roller coaster than the STORM |
| 14:21.46 | Dialekt | seems like it was more mature out of the box |
| 14:21.50 | Dialekt | just based on general feedback |
| 14:22.05 | languish | right now I just consider it a "fun" device with a few useful features, but I don't feel it's a reteail-ready device. |
| 14:22.11 | languish | the G1 anyway |
| 14:22.52 | languish | yeah, I've seen some negative reviews of the storm. I'm pretty suprised |
| 14:23.40 | languish | *surprised |
| 14:24.07 | Dialekt | yeah..i have it right here |
| 14:24.13 | Dialekt | kinda sad about it but whatever.. |
| 14:24.18 | Dialekt | i need to try 2 more devices. |
| 14:24.23 | Dialekt | g1 and nokia 5800 |
| 14:24.31 | languish | what exactly about is has disappointed you? |
| 14:24.32 | jbq | I'm surprised too. It looks like a very nice device, and RIM has come a long their their software. |
| 14:24.41 | languish | besides the touch screen not being accurate enough |
| 14:25.13 | languish | (which I find is an issue on the G1 too, but that's more dependant on UI right now) |
| 14:25.29 | languish | buttons/selectable items need to be large enough |
| 14:25.57 | languish | some devs make them too small for fingers.. need a stylus, which the G1 isn't really intented to use |
| 14:26.10 | languish | *intended |
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| 14:28.36 | Dialekt | did u read? |
| 14:28.50 | Dialekt | the post i posted? |
| 14:28.55 | Dialekt | or u on your device? |
| 14:29.07 | ionstorm | is the v1.2 update any slower/faster |
| 14:29.31 | languish | ah that was your post, noted |
| 14:29.43 | jbq | languish: is that specifically about applications that come with the phone, or 3rd-party applications that you downloaded from market or other places? |
| 14:30.00 | jbq | (I mean, the controls that are too small) |
| 14:30.29 | languish | jbq currently, mostly 3rd party apps. offhand I don't remember finding it to be an issue with the included apps or interface |
| 14:30.48 | languish | jbq, have you taken a look at the netwalk game in the Market? |
| 14:30.52 | languish | That's a good example. |
| 14:31.26 | jbq | languish: I haven't seen that specific one. The core reason is that a mouse on a 100dpi screen (typical computer) is a lot more accurate than a finger on a 160dpi screen. |
| 14:31.37 | languish | Yes, I know :) |
| 14:32.15 | jbq | it'd be nice if the emulator had an option to shrink the screen by 1.6x and use a fat 1/2" cursor (possibly with a bit of jitter in the click detection) |
| 14:32.15 | languish | This specific issue would be resolved with a stylus. (I know I can get a capacitive friendly one) or better UI design |
| 14:33.29 | languish | nod |
| 14:33.43 | languish | the real problem comes up in apps with small grids |
| 14:35.08 | languish | I've helped a couple of devs also along the way that had buttons that were too small. even with nothing else selectable around the button, if it were too small, it just wasn't being recognized every time when pressed |
| 14:36.19 | languish | regardless that the finger would cover the whole button. (the fact the figer likely was touching non-selectable space round the button due to its size, was likely why it wasn't being selected) |
| 14:37.05 | languish | but you'd know more about it than me. they just had to increase the button size and tweak their layout a bit and the problem was fixed |
| 14:37.53 | eldenz | languish, aye @ price comparison... |
| 14:38.04 | languish | eldenz :) |
| 14:38.12 | eldenz | what was the name again of that okay oneclick videoconverter? |
| 14:38.25 | languish | one click? |
| 14:38.27 | languish | dunno |
| 14:38.30 | languish | I use Super |
| 14:38.54 | eldenz | thanks |
| 14:38.59 | languish | no prob |
| 14:39.28 | languish | eldenz, http://forums.tmonews.com/index.php?topic=3261.0 |
| 14:40.07 | languish | at least until super ads a selectable profile for the G1. Which it may have already, I haven't checked for updates in a while |
| 14:40.21 | eldenz | that webpage of super is beyond horrible... :f |
| 14:40.32 | languish | yes, but the app does the job |
| 14:40.37 | eldenz | : ) |
| 14:41.00 | eldenz | everywhere underlined text but you have to click 10links to get to the download button |
| 14:41.01 | languish | I think the dev makes the page that way on purpose, as a test to filter out the complete idiots |
| 14:41.43 | languish | anyone that doesn't find or take the time to find the download link, he doesn't want using the app and bitching about it is my guess |
| 14:42.17 | eldenz | : ) |
| 14:42.26 | eldenz | fast download... 16kB/s |
| 14:42.32 | languish | heh |
| 14:42.49 | languish | there are other download locations for it i believe |
| 14:42.58 | languish | but ya always good to get from the source |
| 14:43.01 | eldenz | now i only need a way to enable vibrate automatically when it's in silent mode and disable otherwise |
| 14:43.19 | eldenz | is this possible / an app doing it already available? |
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| 14:43.30 | languish | there is a vibrate on silent I believe |
| 14:45.15 | eldenz | oh.. if you turn down ringer volume [-] it goes to vibrate eventually (w/o silent mode) |
| 14:45.41 | languish | yes :) |
| 14:46.28 | eldenz | : D |
| 14:51.42 | languish | nice, deal website rss reader |
| 14:51.45 | languish | i like this |
| 14:51.55 | languish | "DealsDroid" |
| 14:53.13 | languish | jbq, are devs able to disable comments for their own apps? |
| 14:53.19 | languish | in the market.. |
| 14:53.35 | jbq | languish: I don't know. I've never uploaded anything on the market. |
| 14:53.40 | languish | nod |
| 14:54.01 | languish | there's a game, that doesn't have the comments option, but does have the rating option. |
| 14:54.25 | languish | just found it interesting |
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| 15:17.13 | KNY | if I have version 1 of an application and version 2 is published to the Market, can I just go back to the market page and upgrade? |
| 15:17.23 | KNY | I haven't used this from an end-user enough :() |
| 15:17.35 | KNY | whoa, that's a freaky-looking face |
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| 15:55.50 | Dialekt | anyone droiding it up with no issues on the g1? |
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| 16:16.45 | bibuntu | lol, compareAnywhere will identify Camel Lights, but not a T-Mobile G1 |
| 16:17.25 | Andomic | anyone know of a tool that allows the calender from a PalmOS to sync w/ the G1 calender? |
| 16:18.07 | synalx | i would look for a tool that allows a PalmOS calendar to sync with a Google calendar |
| 16:18.15 | synalx | then the G1 will get the updates automatically |
| 16:24.45 | muthu_ | lol, camel lights |
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| 16:26.08 | mpardo | does anyone know why this breaks: NetworkInfo info = cm.getActiveNetworkInfo(); |
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| 16:29.19 | mpardo | infobot logs |
| 16:29.20 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 16:29.36 | muthu_ | mpardo: what's the error? |
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| 16:29.42 | Lieutenant | yo |
| 16:29.46 | muthu_ | oy |
| 16:29.52 | mpardo | well.. i can't see one |
| 16:29.58 | mpardo | i'll debug again real quick |
| 16:30.14 | Lieutenant | i just got an 8 gig sd card.do i need to copy the old folders from the old sd card into my new one? or can i just put the new one in? |
| 16:33.18 | mpardo | security exception |
| 16:33.19 | mpardo | i think |
| 16:33.56 | mpardo | what permission does ConnectivityManager require? |
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| 16:36.35 | mpardo | nevermind found it |
| 16:36.36 | mpardo | thx |
| 16:37.03 | mpardo | ACCESS_NETWORK_STATE |
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| 16:49.52 | languish | KNY, it depends on the app. it's best to uninstall an app from the market, then install the updated version. apps have been known to leave behind crap, though usually, you can just install over the old app. I'm not sure what makes the difference. |
| 16:50.16 | KNY | languish, does it give a button to "upgrade" though? |
| 16:50.31 | KNY | I don't have any installed apps with known updates published, so it's hard to verify |
| 16:50.38 | KNY | but all mine just have "Open" and "Uninstall" |
| 16:50.52 | languish | the market itself. no. some apps have "upgrade" options, but so far, they all just take you to a webpage to download the new .apk afaik |
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| 16:51.09 | languish | but the upgrade option is in the app, not the market |
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| 16:56.17 | mpardo | is there a way to check if you are on 3g or edge using the connectivity manager? |
| 16:56.38 | mpardo | or am i way off base |
| 16:59.42 | eris | EGL11 mEgl = (EGL11) EGLContext.getEGL(); <- any idea why this would give class cast exception? if i read the docs right should not be any different from casting to EGL10 ~~ |
| 17:01.19 | mpardo | i figured it out... getReason() will return a string if in 2g and null if in 3g |
| 17:02.27 | synalx | eris: maybe the result is an EGL10 not an EGL11? |
| 17:03.06 | eris | says the result is static EGL |
| 17:04.47 | synalx | yeah |
| 17:04.52 | synalx | EGL is the base class of EGL10 |
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| 17:04.59 | synalx | which is the base class of EGL11 if i'm reading this right |
| 17:05.25 | eris | so it should cast right? |
| 17:05.28 | synalx | depends |
| 17:05.46 | synalx | if getEGL() actually returns an EGL10, you'll be able to cast it to EGL10 but not to EGL11 |
| 17:06.06 | synalx | if it returns an EGL11, you should be able to cast it to both |
| 17:06.09 | synalx | why not check the return value?: |
| 17:07.07 | synalx | EGL ret = EGLContext.getEGL(); |
| 17:07.28 | synalx | then check ret.getClass().getName() |
| 17:08.09 | synalx | or check the EGLContext source to determine which one it's returning |
| 17:09.03 | eris | hmm |
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| 17:10.14 | eris | really not sure how to do that, am very new to java, comming from C... testing classes for type is, odd u.u |
| 17:11.40 | synalx | yeah |
| 17:11.50 | synalx | but it should be that simple |
| 17:12.10 | synalx | EGLContext.getEGL().getClass().getName() should give you a string that states the actual name of the class |
| 17:14.35 | eris | also im sorta confused what to do if it is the wrong type, seems i need to get an EGL somehow |
| 17:15.51 | synalx | why do you need to cast it at all? |
| 17:16.22 | kRutOn | usually you'd use instanceof |
| 17:16.48 | synalx | eris: note the documentation for EGL |
| 17:16.50 | synalx | An EGL object is obtained by calling EGLContext.getEGL(). The returned object may implement the EGL10 interface only (if the underlying EGL implementation only supports EGL 1.0), or it may additionally implement the EGL11 interface (if the underlying implementation supports EGL 1.1). |
| 17:17.09 | eris | all of the examples i see do it like i pasted, and the examples with the sdk use EGL10 otherwise its the same cast |
| 17:17.29 | synalx | ah okay |
| 17:17.32 | synalx | yeah |
| 17:17.35 | synalx | just cast it to EGL10 |
| 17:17.56 | synalx | android probably doesn't implement EGL 1.1 |
| 17:18.12 | synalx | it should work just as well unless your examples use functionality that's exclusively in 1.1 |
| 17:18.40 | eris | well, egl10 is lacking some basic functions |
| 17:19.00 | Lieutenant | uh oh |
| 17:19.03 | Lieutenant | i just froze my phone |
| 17:19.12 | Lieutenant | trying to play a 2 gig .mp4 |
| 17:19.13 | eris | points dont seem to scale for distance, nor can you adjust the fade to alpha |
| 17:19.29 | languish | I asked about egl11 on android previously, the response was basically "some of it works, some of it works sorta, and some of it doesn't" |
| 17:20.05 | eris | well this seems to be none of it works u_u |
| 17:20.10 | languish | :( |
| 17:20.30 | eris | just doesnt seem right, like im probably missing something |
| 17:20.41 | synalx | Lieutenant: poorly written video player, maybe? |
| 17:21.16 | languish | get on that qualcomm mailing list the Advanced Content group guys are on and bug 'em how they got egl11 fx to work in their demo on android |
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| 17:23.11 | languish | jt, you know much about the opelgl-ES stuff on android? |
| 17:23.16 | languish | *opengl |
| 17:24.00 | Lieutenant | probably |
| 17:24.09 | Lieutenant | i tried using "video player" and "cinema" |
| 17:24.19 | languish | both work fine for me |
| 17:24.33 | Lieutenant | maybe the video was just too large? |
| 17:24.38 | Lieutenant | actually |
| 17:24.40 | Lieutenant | i didn't even convert it |
| 17:24.47 | Lieutenant | but it was still .mp4 |
| 17:24.52 | Lieutenant | i mean i didn't encode it |
| 17:24.56 | languish | it has to be within a certain bitrate |
| 17:25.02 | Lieutenant | oh i see. |
| 17:25.09 | Lieutenant | yeah, then it most likely wasn't haha. |
| 17:25.10 | Lieutenant | oh well |
| 17:25.16 | Lieutenant | just wanted to test it out |
| 17:25.27 | languish | mod.. http://forums.tmonews.com/index.php?topic=3261.0 |
| 17:25.33 | languish | err *nod |
| 17:25.34 | jt436 | languish: you talking to me? sorry not paying attention |
| 17:25.41 | languish | jt yeah :) hi |
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| 17:25.54 | jt436 | hey ;) |
| 17:26.09 | jt436 | don't know much sorry, will be looking into it come new year thought for games |
| 17:26.12 | languish | Was just wondering if you know much about the opengl-ES stuff on android, or who the go-to person around here would be |
| 17:26.16 | jt436 | *though |
| 17:26.17 | languish | nod |
| 17:26.43 | jt436 | i'd start with the demo included in the sdk |
| 17:27.30 | languish | yeah.. I know 3 devs that have gone through it, and then when trying to impliment some other basics have gotten exceptionally frustrated |
| 17:27.47 | jt436 | hmm |
| 17:27.59 | languish | eris is going through the same thing they did now |
| 17:28.17 | languish | but part of it may be lack of familiarity with java, they all came from other langs |
| 17:28.54 | eris | the example in the sdk is GL10 |
| 17:29.36 | eris | which i'd tolorate except it doesnt want to scale points for distance |
| 17:29.37 | languish | yeah.. she's trying to get some of the basic 1.1 functions going.. |
| 17:30.07 | languish | which seems possible, as it was demo'd in the neocore benchmark |
| 17:30.29 | jt436 | sounds like a good candidate to include with the apps-for-android project |
| 17:30.32 | eris | also doesnt to do other effects but mainly am grrring that all the points in my particle fountain are the same size no matter how far |
| 17:31.18 | languish | yeah. she needs help with distance scaling |
| 17:31.37 | languish | doesn't have sufficient clue |
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| 17:39.24 | floppyears | Has anyone had luck viewing exchange emails in the g1 ? |
| 17:43.10 | eris | com.google.android.jsr239.EGLImpl <-- result of ret.getClass().getName() |
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| 17:45.08 | synalx | cool :) |
| 17:45.36 | falstaff_ | Hello, im doing long running operations at the moment in the ui thread, which is wrong... im now refactoring the application (Its about PMix, which is an mpd client) |
| 17:45.55 | falstaff_ | now, i would like to make a thread, which does all the comunication with the mpd server... |
| 17:46.52 | falstaff_ | How should i communicate with the thread? Which the androids messages right? How can i implement my own thread, which receives such messages? Any samples? |
| 17:47.06 | falstaff_ | s/Which/With |
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| 18:12.15 | falstaff_ | Can anybody help me how I can use this Handler class? |
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| 18:16.24 | dcordes | hello. where is the source code to the userspace radio software in g1? |
| 18:17.00 | dcordes | http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/hardware/ril.git;a=commit;h=dbbb392e15b5ace6f19e76c49c80ea14292e8a4d is this what's used on the g1? |
| 18:17.33 | dcordes | I wonder because in reference-ril.c it says #define PPP_TTY_PATH "/dev/omap_csmi_tty1" |
| 18:23.21 | swetland | userspace radio software? |
| 18:23.24 | RyeBrye | falstaff_ - check out the UserTask in the Photostream or whatever |
| 18:23.32 | dcordes | swetland, the ril code |
| 18:23.39 | swetland | hardware/ril |
| 18:23.54 | swetland | ah, on g1 |
| 18:24.03 | dcordes | yea I wonder about that line above |
| 18:24.04 | RyeBrye | falstaff_ - romainguy pointed it to me last night, it's a really sweet utility class that you can just use quite easily to make little worker threads that work with the UI layer |
| 18:24.05 | swetland | rild and libril are used but the guts of it is provided by htc |
| 18:24.19 | swetland | and libhrc_ril.so is binary only (we don't have sources) |
| 18:24.31 | RyeBrye | swetland - you want source to that? |
| 18:24.32 | RyeBrye | jokes |
| 18:24.33 | dcordes | I see |
| 18:24.37 | swetland | the omap_csmi_tty1 stuff dates back to an early prototype based on omap850 |
| 18:24.45 | swetland | rye: nope |
| 18:25.01 | dcordes | swetland, but all of the code in the ril.git is used on the g1 ? |
| 18:25.18 | swetland | dcordes: no. the reference-ril is not used |
| 18:25.41 | dcordes | so in case of g1, this is replaced by the bin only libhrc_ril.so ? |
| 18:25.51 | swetland | the other bits are: rild and libril (which provide the wrapper code for the daemon and the handling for the wire transport) |
| 18:26.17 | swetland | yeah. rild dlopens the ril library for the platform which has the guts of the modem interface, which is libhtc_ril.so on g1 |
| 18:26.19 | dcordes | basically I wonder about the AT communication on G1 |
| 18:26.51 | swetland | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.23 | dcordes | yes I know. and it's also easy to capture it. but I would like the tx/rx code :) |
| 18:27.28 | swetland | but htc has customized it (the AT commands provided by the modem firmware) a bunch, adding their own goodies, and their ril uses these extensions |
| 18:27.50 | falstaff_ | RyeBrye: i looked at the class, its not exactly what i need... What this class is doing is working many little tasks in single threads... What i want to do is many different tasks on the same thread.... |
| 18:27.52 | dcordes | ok. I guess rmnet also requires such modifications ? |
| 18:28.05 | swetland | rmnet/qmi is stock qualcomm interfaces |
| 18:28.26 | swetland | well the transports are. the drivers on the linux side are my fault. |
| 18:28.26 | falstaff_ | Therefor i want to implement a thread with a message handler, which does this tasks... |
| 18:29.02 | dcordes | so for the whole rmnet aperatus no extra AT commands are required? |
| 18:29.05 | swetland | I asked the htc ril guys to use rmnet because sending ppp over another serial channel struck me as totally absurd |
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| 18:29.41 | dcordes | yea you told me about your grief with the serial channels once :) |
| 18:29.47 | Andomic | hey is there a way to delete pics from the picture list on the G1 phone? |
| 18:29.50 | swetland | you need to have the modem approrpriately configured, but qmi is then used to request data connection start/termination and rmnet carries the packets |
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| 18:30.19 | swetland | the htc ril does all of that (chatters with the modem via the at channel, uses qmi to initiate/teardown data connections, etc) |
| 18:31.31 | dcordes | sad enough we don't have rmnet in the new htcs |
| 18:31.56 | dcordes | basically the AT chattering code was all I was looking for |
| 18:32.44 | swetland | rmnet is nice because it's really really low overhead. |
| 18:32.52 | swetland | just shovel "ethernet" packets in and out |
| 18:33.08 | swetland | (the ethernet headers are pretty much ignored by both sides, just ending up as framing noise for the IP packets) |
| 18:33.42 | swetland | no need to hdlc encode/decode/escape the IP stream, fewer copies, etc |
| 18:34.01 | dcordes | sounds sensible |
| 18:35.11 | dcordes | swetland, do you have a hint where I can find some documentation on the AT communication with g1 and similar? |
| 18:35.35 | swetland | there's a standard for gsm/gprs at control channels |
| 18:35.44 | swetland | for any htc extensions, not sure |
| 18:35.49 | dcordes | all the htc propietary commands from the wince atdbg logs are creepy |
| 18:36.11 | swetland | TS 27.007 I think |
| 18:36.41 | DarkriftX | swetland: what do you know about how far they delved into multitouch? |
| 18:37.02 | DarkriftX | did they just add support for more fingers, or did they start doing some actual work on gestures |
| 18:37.19 | dcordes | I can use my ts no hands |
| 18:37.26 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 18:37.37 | swetland | http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/html-info/0707.htm |
| 18:38.18 | swetland | I've never dealt with the userspace/framework input code. whatever is there is what we've got |
| 18:38.43 | dcordes | interesting table |
| 18:39.05 | swetland | I'm not a modem guy, but I think that's the document that ril.h refers to in various places |
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| 18:49.25 | dcordes | swetland, $ grep -i 3gpp ril/include/telephony/ril.h |
| 18:49.25 | dcordes | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.25 | dcordes | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.39 | dcordes | not that much reference |
| 18:51.15 | swetland | look for refs to TS 27.007 |
| 18:51.19 | swetland | there are quite a few |
| 18:51.31 | dcordes | oh I see |
| 18:51.32 | swetland | well TS 27.xxx |
| 18:54.34 | infernix | so, i got my G1 |
| 18:54.44 | infernix | if it uses HSDPA, does it say 3G? or should i see an H? |
| 18:55.10 | unix_infidel | 3G. |
| 18:55.10 | dcordes | infernix, nice. can you dump some AT chats? :) |
| 18:55.20 | unix_infidel | on Edge you'll see an E. |
| 18:55.25 | infernix | unfortunately its RC30 |
| 18:55.35 | dcordes | ? |
| 18:55.41 | infernix | no root |
| 18:56.31 | dcordes | oh they sell devices with broken user accounts ? :) |
| 18:57.06 | infernix | i'm only getting 113kb down, 16kb up. i need a better speed test |
| 18:57.38 | dcordes | infernix, you got it on ebay, right? what did you pay? |
| 18:57.47 | infernix | 380usd |
| 18:57.51 | infernix | 430 with shipping |
| 18:58.02 | dcordes | and customs? |
| 18:58.27 | infernix | $0 |
| 18:58.38 | dcordes | that's ok |
| 18:59.26 | dcordes | I heard people can boot their own kernel on the g1 now. can you confirm? |
| 18:59.38 | pandzilla | infernix: where are you located? |
| 18:59.46 | infernix | netherlands |
| 18:59.56 | infernix | sspeed test app does 1600kbit down, 100kbit up |
| 19:00.10 | RyeBrye | I posted a quick-and-dirty multitouch proof of concept for anyone who cares... http://www.ryebrye.com/blog/2008/11/22/g1-multitouch-proof-of-concept-video/ |
| 19:00.11 | infernix | seems much worse than my tytn 2 |
| 19:00.33 | dcordes | good old kaiser |
| 19:01.30 | dcordes | *cough* gotta be the rmnet *cough* |
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| 19:01.37 | DJTachyon | m33p m33p |
| 19:01.48 | infernix | what speeds are others getting in the speedtest app? |
| 19:01.57 | dcordes | bbl |
| 19:02.46 | pandzilla | infernix: good deal... I think about ordering one from the US too, since the ones I can get locally are vastly overpriced |
| 19:03.02 | pandzilla | like, I saw an offer on ebay.de a few days ago for 590 euros |
| 19:07.24 | KNY | infernix, whatever edge gives |
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| 19:12.40 | DarkriftX | dcordes: i can confirm the custom kernel thign |
| 19:12.44 | DarkriftX | ive seen a few ppl do it |
| 19:13.08 | DarkriftX | including RyeBrye who just used a custom kernel to play with multitouch stuff (about 10 lines up) |
| 19:13.43 | dcordes | he booted the other kernel or only loaded modules? |
| 19:14.05 | DarkriftX | other kernel |
| 19:14.19 | dcordes | is the procedure of doing that documented somehwere? |
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| 19:16.59 | DarkriftX | i dont know about that part |
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| 19:19.36 | dcordes | RyeBrye, can you help there or outline how you boot your own kernel? |
| 19:20.28 | d0netsFN | so whats the latest and greatest in the android world |
| 19:20.43 | d0netsFN | its the end of the semester so im swamped in school stuff |
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| 20:39.36 | Dialekt | Dark |
| 20:39.39 | Dialekt | DarkriftX: |
| 20:39.45 | DarkriftX | hola |
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| 20:40.05 | Dialekt | got a g1 yet |
| 20:40.06 | Dialekt | ? |
| 20:40.15 | DarkriftX | nope |
| 20:40.33 | Cheweh | whats the best irc app for the g1? |
| 20:40.34 | Cheweh | :o |
| 20:40.41 | Cheweh | i just bought one thursday |
| 20:40.45 | Cheweh | cant wait for it to come |
| 20:40.49 | Cheweh | they say by dec 8t |
| 20:40.49 | Cheweh | :| |
| 20:40.51 | Dialekt | ouch. |
| 20:41.01 | Dialekt | I would love to check the g1 out |
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| 20:41.10 | Dialekt | i don't think i can do it though |
| 20:41.16 | Dialekt | ill have to wait till android comes to at&t |
| 20:41.18 | Cheweh | o.O |
| 20:41.23 | Cheweh | oh |
| 20:41.25 | Cheweh | contract? |
| 20:41.45 | Cheweh | i put the phone under my moms name |
| 20:41.47 | Dialekt | yeah but just in general. |
| 20:41.49 | Cheweh | cause she was a avon rep |
| 20:41.50 | Cheweh | and i got |
| 20:41.54 | Dialekt | i love at&t service thus far. |
| 20:42.03 | Cheweh | $40 off the phone, no activation, and 12% off the bill. |
| 20:42.06 | nicolette78 | Anyone know if it's possible to make Circuit Switched Data connections from Android? |
| 20:42.11 | Cheweh | I've only had metropcs in the past. |
| 20:42.12 | Cheweh | lol |
| 20:42.17 | Cheweh | first contract :P |
| 20:42.20 | DarkriftX | i think my work might offer tmo discounts |
| 20:42.22 | DarkriftX | ill have to check |
| 20:42.22 | Cheweh | g1 seems like its worth it to me |
| 20:42.38 | Cheweh | i was going to get the g1 in store. |
| 20:42.47 | Cheweh | but they said i can only get the 12% off the bill for the avon discount. |
| 20:42.49 | nicolette78 | Or rather, isn't that what iSkoot does, and how did they do it? |
| 20:42.55 | Cheweh | not the $40 off and no activation fee. |
| 20:42.55 | Cheweh | =[ |
| 20:43.05 | Cheweh | so i rather wait to save the $75. |
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| 21:02.48 | doozerdev | Any developers know of a class/best-practice for scrolling an oversized (larger than a view's layout) bitmap on both X/Y axis (like maps and WebView do)? |
| 21:04.23 | spikebike | like say a bitmap as big as the map of the planet? |
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| 21:10.59 | geist | dont think so small |
| 21:11.06 | Lieutenant | hey what ear is it gay to have an earring on if u only get one? |
| 21:11.26 | geist | ... |
| 21:11.39 | Lieutenant | don't ... me |
| 21:11.46 | bibuntu | heh, the left i thought |
| 21:11.49 | geist | i hella did |
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| 21:44.43 | KNY | can Maps not do multiple destinations, like maps.google.com can |
| 21:44.44 | KNY | ? |
| 21:49.34 | infernix | is anyone getting upload speeds >100kbit on the android with speedtest? |
| 21:55.03 | Cheweh | what network? |
| 21:55.06 | Cheweh | edge or 3g? |
| 22:03.24 | infernix | hsdpa |
| 22:03.28 | infernix | e.g. 3G |
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| 22:45.29 | d0netsFN | im thinking about waxing my screen haha |
| 22:45.49 | d0netsFN | my phone starts feeling rough when it gets dirty and i whipe it off |
| 22:48.52 | falstaff_ | How can i implement a message handler thread? is there a good guide? |
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| 22:51.02 | blaug1 | hi |
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| 22:54.19 | d0netsFN | high |
| 22:54.23 | d0netsFN | wow starmap is really cool |
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