| 00:00.00 | grey- | jbq: neat; I see no atom/rss though. :-/ |
| 00:00.14 | pctechnerd | <-- is a app guru/mod for androidcommunity.com |
| 00:00.37 | grey- | pctechnerd: I just aggredate the main feed, but it seems to update more than any other site I've found thus far. |
| 00:00.39 | jbq | grey-: I was being facetious. But that'd be a good idea. Just definitely not anywhere high on the priority list. |
| 00:00.41 | grey- | pctechnerd: keep up the good work. |
| 00:00.55 | grey- | jbq: *nod* some bug/ticketing systems have such things built in [e.g. trac] |
| 00:01.02 | grey- | nice feature, useful @ work. |
| 00:01.06 | joeo | we've talked about doing it |
| 00:01.12 | joeo | in review.source.android.com I mean |
| 00:01.16 | joeo | maybe in gerrit2 |
| 00:01.18 | grey- | kewl. |
| 00:01.35 | pctechnerd | so i'm thinking about posting a reward lol |
| 00:01.42 | grey- | syndication ftw. |
| 00:01.46 | grey- | well... you post html... |
| 00:01.51 | grey- | use some ghetto scraper, done. ;) |
| 00:02.12 | grey- | scaling it for everyone who wants to view it though... not as easily hacked together. :) |
| 00:03.34 | pctechnerd | I also peruse http://android.git.kernel.org/ to check the patch history. Kinda get a jist of what is being worked on, at least somewhat |
| 00:04.25 | grey- | herm... same deal. |
| 00:04.33 | grey- | there's even an opml link; but not so handy, heh. |
| 00:04.51 | grey- | actually lemme try that in a different reader. |
| 00:05.14 | grey- | :-/ no joy. |
| 00:05.25 | grey- | in safari/webkit or google reader. |
| 00:06.22 | pctechnerd | i just have it bookmarked in chrome |
| 00:06.30 | grey- | yeah... |
| 00:06.30 | pctechnerd | which btw, the latest build is blazing freaking fast |
| 00:06.42 | grey- | I'm looking forward to chrome for osx. ;-/ |
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| 00:06.53 | grey- | tab/window taskmanager = killer feature I've wanted for years in a browser. |
| 00:07.04 | pctechnerd | yea, it's nice |
| 00:07.10 | pctechnerd | i can't wait till mobile chrome for android |
| 00:07.17 | grey- | *nod* not nice enough to deal with running in windows though. |
| 00:07.23 | pctechnerd | would be very nice to have tabs in leu of window set |
| 00:07.30 | grey- | you think chrome will be ported to android wholesale? |
| 00:07.35 | grey- | I mean I know v8 already has an arm target. |
| 00:07.42 | pctechnerd | oh i'm sure it will |
| 00:07.43 | grey- | windowset/tabs are about the same. |
| 00:07.56 | pctechnerd | chrome has set a new standard in browsers. it's going to be utilized in as many facets as possible |
| 00:08.00 | grey- | I would like to have a 'close' window with just one open window option in the current webkit android browser though. |
| 00:08.21 | grey- | as it stands now I always leave one blank window open in android's browser |
| 00:08.29 | grey- | so that I can close whatever else I've opened. |
| 00:08.32 | grey- | suboptimal. |
| 00:08.34 | pctechnerd | though i did see a video with the updated current droid webkit browser. it had some nice polish on it |
| 00:08.47 | pctechnerd | i agree grey |
| 00:08.57 | pctechnerd | also the browser should have GMarks integration |
| 00:09.05 | pctechnerd | i don't understand how they left that out |
| 00:09.16 | grey- | gmarks? |
| 00:09.22 | grey- | ah |
| 00:09.25 | pctechnerd | GMarks = google bookmarks |
| 00:09.26 | grey- | I don't really use bookmarks |
| 00:09.39 | pctechnerd | but in a mobile browser it really helps |
| 00:09.50 | grey- | since I started using syndicated content 4-5 years ago I really don't use a browser in that sort of way at all anymore. |
| 00:10.07 | grey- | going to a page without knowing if there's new content is a waste of time. |
| 00:10.08 | pctechnerd | and with GMarks implimented, everything in the cloud bla bla bla, it's a hell of a lot easier to manage |
| 00:10.13 | grey- | hmm |
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| 00:10.32 | pctechnerd | i go to pages for more than just new content |
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| 00:10.43 | pctechnerd | reference, communication, etc.. |
| 00:11.12 | grey- | webfora are perhaps my least preferred method of communication (see also: myspace; see also: why I'm using irc right now instead ;) |
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| 00:11.37 | pctechnerd | yea, but the general sheep don't even know what IRC is, let alone how to utilize it |
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| 00:12.00 | pctechnerd | and my life revolves around CC for everyone |
| 00:12.30 | grey- | CC? |
| 00:12.33 | pctechnerd | which is why i've been trying to get a grand central invite forever |
| 00:12.39 | pctechnerd | CC = Cloud communication |
| 00:12.43 | grey- | ah, haha. |
| 00:12.50 | grey- | well there are tools which allow for broadcast. |
| 00:12.53 | grey- | e.g. plaxo and whatnot. |
| 00:13.00 | grey- | post once, it posts everywhere else. |
| 00:13.10 | pctechnerd | yea, but you have to remember with the general public you have to work bottom barrell and then upward |
| 00:13.12 | grey- | but the downside to that is all those services of broadcast/aggregation |
| 00:13.34 | pctechnerd | i use CC to talk with family, friends, work, etc.. |
| 00:13.35 | grey- | haven't tried to solve the issue of if I'm aggregating from many sources, I don't want to see the same message 10 times because I've got that person as a contact 10x. |
| 00:13.54 | grey- | even like, hashing the message and doing a compare and marking read for everything else that matches once you've read once would probably work well. |
| 00:13.59 | pctechnerd | i work from home. I get paid 40k to take 3 five minute phone calls a night |
| 00:14.09 | grey- | . . . ? |
| 00:14.14 | grey- | interesting job? |
| 00:14.25 | pctechnerd | i work for a major credit card processor as over the phone technical support |
| 00:14.36 | grey- | ah, interesting. |
| 00:14.39 | Nafai | I've been waiting for Grand Central invite too |
| 00:15.14 | pctechnerd | i've been thuroughly researching, googling, and talking for the past 8 months to try and get one |
| 00:15.25 | pctechnerd | that's why I'm giving away geek services or electronics for one now |
| 00:15.37 | grey- | weird |
| 00:15.42 | grey- | didn't realize it was some 'thing' |
| 00:15.44 | pctechnerd | It would only help my CC, and provide me with a centralized location for it |
| 00:15.45 | grey- | I thought it was a paid service. |
| 00:15.50 | pctechnerd | no, it's free |
| 00:16.00 | pctechnerd | and the only google service i haven't been able to utilize yet |
| 00:16.03 | pctechnerd | <-- Google nut |
| 00:16.12 | grey- | hmm |
| 00:16.18 | grey- | not all that is google is good. |
| 00:16.28 | pctechnerd | i've been enjoying it so far |
| 00:16.31 | grey- | heh. |
| 00:16.46 | rubyonlinux | does anyone here use heavily the google talk .. curious if you find that it stays connected .. |
| 00:16.53 | pctechnerd | i do, and it does |
| 00:16.54 | grey- | rubyonlinux: on linux? |
| 00:16.58 | pctechnerd | i use it on my G1 and gmail |
| 00:16.59 | grey- | errr android? |
| 00:16.59 | rubyonlinux | on android |
| 00:17.03 | grey- | not so much. |
| 00:17.07 | pctechnerd | it never disco's on my G1 |
| 00:17.08 | grey- | (use it that is) |
| 00:17.14 | grey- | it seems that it stays connected okish. |
| 00:17.18 | grey- | probably better than the other IM's. |
| 00:17.24 | grey- | I've heard many complaints from sk users. |
| 00:17.24 | rubyonlinux | yea it seems the best so far |
| 00:17.27 | pctechnerd | i have a chat link on my website so anyone can get ahold of me via GTalk no matter where i'm at |
| 00:17.28 | grey- | but what they didn't realize |
| 00:17.29 | rubyonlinux | but still was disco |
| 00:17.37 | grey- | is that sidekick/danger proxy their IM |
| 00:17.51 | grey- | so even when you're actually disconnected, to your friends and you it appears that you're still online. |
| 00:18.13 | grey- | if an irc client ships for android (I think there's several due in the marketplace soon) |
| 00:18.23 | pctechnerd | I can honestly say now that I will never use a different phone from now on unless it has Android on it |
| 00:18.23 | rubyonlinux | yeah, that's what android needs, don't try to stay connected over all these flakey networks |
| 00:18.28 | grey- | it would be trivial to setup an irc client to an irc bnc [e.g. psybnc] and in turn to biltbee. |
| 00:18.31 | rubyonlinux | just poll like crazy whenever possible |
| 00:18.33 | pctechnerd | It's just too damn good to go back to something prior |
| 00:18.39 | grey- | and thus make the disconnections/etc. seem nonexistent. |
| 00:19.02 | grey- | but for now I do it the way I do on my desktop |
| 00:19.05 | grey- | ssh to shell |
| 00:19.08 | grey- | (using connectbot) |
| 00:19.11 | grey- | attach to screen |
| 00:19.15 | grey- | keep chatting. (: |
| 00:19.30 | grey- | but I realize many of my friends aren't as familiar/comfortable with that modality. |
| 00:19.35 | eldenz | : ) i would like some notifications popping up though for my irc/im things :) |
| 00:19.42 | pctechnerd | yea |
| 00:19.46 | rubyonlinux | grey-: cool idea |
| 00:19.58 | rubyonlinux | i've been playing with variations on that theme |
| 00:20.00 | pctechnerd | it's like the Meebo App. In itself it's a great app, but it definitely needs some work |
| 00:20.01 | rubyonlinux | still haven't settled on one |
| 00:20.03 | grey- | rubyonlinux: there's a fork of bitlbee that has otr support as well. |
| 00:20.15 | grey- | rubyonlinux: trick with that, you want to make sure your irc client [and bncer] support ssl. |
| 00:20.21 | grey- | so that you're not leaking plaintext. |
| 00:21.06 | grey- | conceivably, you could run all this locally if you've rooted your g1 and done the debian userland stuff. |
| 00:21.10 | pctechnerd | but either way guys, please spread the word. I'm offering web/graphic design or electronics (like a WRE54G) for a valid Grand Central invite |
| 00:21.16 | grey- | but that's probably less helpful for non tech savvy people too. |
| 00:21.21 | rubyonlinux | yeah, i tried the xmpp bridge type stuff , kinda hard, kinda not worth how hard it is |
| 00:22.31 | rubyonlinux | i would like to build a simple aggregator, which publishes more of an atom type feed for all messaging |
| 00:23.05 | rubyonlinux | well, perhaps simple wasn't the word to use :) |
| 00:23.21 | pctechnerd | has anyone purchased anything like this yet? http://www.fommy.com/view-full-page.asp?divid=HTC&model=HTC+Dream&skuno=82000# |
| 00:24.37 | rubyonlinux | nope, all i got was a headphone connector |
| 00:25.02 | pctechnerd | it's a nice looking dock, though I'm getting tired of the issue i'm having with my G1 and memory card |
| 00:25.12 | rubyonlinux | and now i realize i should have gotten the headphone + charge splitter connector heh |
| 00:25.20 | pctechnerd | half the time when I connect and mount, it doesn't read, and then i have to remove and reinsert the card |
| 00:27.04 | pctechnerd | like right now, even though my card is in the phone, it still acts as though there's no card present. i have to remove and reinsert it to resolve |
| 00:27.22 | pctechnerd | but this only happens randomly when i connect ot my computer (I charge from my computer most of the time) |
| 00:27.44 | pctechnerd | and it only happened after they switched the mounting functionality in RC28 |
| 00:29.11 | pctechnerd | So who here uses grand central? |
| 00:29.21 | Nafai | wants to |
| 00:29.27 | Nafai | But hasn't been invited yet :) |
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| 00:41.50 | JJ|Laptop | has android almsot working on his htc touch vogue |
| 00:42.31 | pctechnerd | nice JJ |
| 00:42.40 | pctechnerd | fully functioning or hack build? |
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| 00:43.22 | JJ|Laptop | i'm getting the port from xda running |
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| 00:45.10 | jasta | JJ|Laptop: have you seen this: http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/ ? |
| 00:45.17 | jasta | because he basically did all the workf or you :) |
| 00:45.19 | JJ|Laptop | yup |
| 00:46.01 | JJ|Laptop | i've been fiddling with that and a .cab package from that |
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| 00:51.14 | JJ|Laptop | any ideas for an easy way to upgrade the radio? |
| 00:51.23 | JJ|Laptop | i think my old radio is causing some issues |
| 00:52.09 | jasta | JJ|Laptop: did you read the instructions aboutgetting your ppp username/password? |
| 00:52.30 | JJ|Laptop | i didn;t see anyhting like that |
| 00:53.01 | jasta | is your issue that after so many minutes data connections stop working? |
| 00:53.43 | JJ|Laptop | that and when it boots i see "old radio: no audio" or something along those lines |
| 00:54.07 | jasta | hmm, no idea |
| 00:54.50 | pctechnerd | there's a reward out there |
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| 00:55.48 | JJ|Laptop | pctechnerd: reward? |
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| 00:56.04 | JJ|Laptop | jasta: it's weird though, because the radio works fine for calls |
| 00:56.07 | pctechnerd | yup, a reward for anyone that can get me an invite to Grand Central |
| 00:56.25 | jasta | JJ|Laptop: i recall the data connection issue being related to not setting your ppp username and password |
| 00:56.59 | jasta | its a shame he doesnt ahve USB working yet, you could just do adb logcat |
| 00:57.03 | jasta | im surprised thats not his first priority, honestly |
| 00:57.11 | jasta | (i used to use this hack back before i had my g1) |
| 00:57.55 | JJ|Laptop | is planning to eventually had an HTC touch HD with android |
| 00:58.03 | JJ|Laptop | *get an |
| 00:58.24 | jasta | JJ|Laptop: some reason you dont want to use the G1? :) |
| 00:58.44 | JJ|Laptop | jasta: i have a year befor emy contract's up and the touch hd looks like win |
| 00:58.56 | JJ|Laptop | *before my |
| 00:59.00 | jasta | i just paid the early terminal fee personally |
| 00:59.08 | jasta | termination* |
| 00:59.17 | JJ|Laptop | so... |
| 00:59.27 | JJ|Laptop | aparently the camera should be working now, but it won;t load. |
| 00:59.29 | JJ|Laptop | i wonder... |
| 01:02.28 | unix_infidel | jasta: you ditched tmobile and just kept the phone? |
| 01:05.34 | pctechnerd | does the touch HD have a full qwerty? |
| 01:06.40 | spikebike | touch HD has no keyboard |
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| 01:08.43 | jasta | unix_infidel: no, i ditched AT&T and signed upf or T-Mobile |
| 01:08.46 | JJ|Laptop | but it has a bigger screen |
| 01:08.49 | jasta | and paid a termination fee to do so |
| 01:08.54 | unix_infidel | jasta: ah. |
| 01:08.59 | jasta | and i will probably do it again too, when the next carrier comes out with an android phone |
| 01:09.15 | unix_infidel | that's some very expensive disloyalty ;-) |
| 01:09.22 | JJ|Laptop | pctechnerd: 3.8" screen |
| 01:09.37 | jasta | not in the grand scheme of things. the cost of the cancelled contract is approximately the difference that the carrier is subsidizing the new phone |
| 01:09.59 | pctechnerd | now JJ, how are you going to utilize Android for anything requiring text entry on your touch HD without a hardware kb? |
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| 01:10.25 | JJ|Laptop | pctechnerd: the android i;m using right now has a virtual kb |
| 01:10.27 | pctechnerd | droid doesn't have a first party vkb, and the user created ones are limited at best right now |
| 01:10.38 | pctechnerd | ah gocha |
| 01:10.45 | jasta | pctechnerd: martin created a virtual keyboard in the kernel framebuffer driver |
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| 01:10.53 | jasta | which works _terribly_, i might add. |
| 01:10.53 | JJ|Laptop | my current phone has nothing but touch and a few toggle buttons |
| 01:11.11 | JJ|Laptop | jasta: yeah, takes up 2/3 of my screen. |
| 01:11.14 | jasta | it was fun to play with before i had my g1, but is anything but a usable platform. |
| 01:11.15 | romainguy | just wait for the one we're working on |
| 01:11.17 | JJ|Laptop | jasta: would you happen to know what pm.sleep_mode does in the default.txt? |
| 01:11.28 | pctechnerd | i like the specs of the touch HD, but I also like my hardware kb |
| 01:11.38 | jasta | romainguy: oh yeah? :) |
| 01:11.42 | JJ|Laptop | pctechnerd: it laso has crazy battery life |
| 01:11.49 | pctechnerd | nice |
| 01:12.04 | jasta | romainguy: oh wait, i might have missed your inflection on that. |
| 01:12.06 | JJ|Laptop | Talk time: |
| 01:12.06 | JJ|Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.06 | JJ|Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.06 | JJ|Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.06 | JJ|Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.07 | JJ|Laptop | Standby time: |
| 01:12.09 | JJ|Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.13 | JJ|Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.15 | JJ|Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.17 | JJ|Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.28 | JJ|Laptop | so 28 days of standby time |
| 01:12.32 | romainguy | jasta: ? |
| 01:12.39 | jasta | those times are closely tied to the operating system that is running on the phone JJ :) |
| 01:12.46 | JJ|Laptop | i know |
| 01:12.59 | JJ|Laptop | and i bet that it will be better with android :p |
| 01:13.07 | jasta | romainguy: did you mean "just be patient", or "we're working on an awesome soft keyboard"? :) |
| 01:13.17 | romainguy | both |
| 01:13.27 | romainguy | be patient because we're working on an IMF and an IME |
| 01:14.09 | Leeds | no patience - want now! |
| 01:14.13 | JJ|Laptop | "old radio found: audio disabled" |
| 01:14.18 | pctechnerd | anyone have a changelog for the new chrome update? |
| 01:14.37 | Leeds | ahem, sorry |
| 01:14.40 | jbq__ | Leeds: working on getting it out asap ;-) |
| 01:15.08 | JJ|Laptop | nuce |
| 01:15.39 | JJ|Laptop | setting pm.sleep_mode makes it so my phone no longer freezes when the screen is turned off |
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| 01:22.26 | khert | i think i messed up my SD card when i removed w/ the phone still on. |
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| 01:26.48 | pctechnerd | So I hate sounding like a broken record, but I'm trying not to. Does anyone have a grand central invite they're willing to part with? We can negotiate for what |
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| 01:45.21 | MystSparks | grand central doesn't do invites anymore |
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| 01:54.15 | eldenz | romainguy, awesome pictures on flickr! |
| 01:54.18 | romainguy | thanks |
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| 02:14.22 | JJ|Laptop | hhmm... |
| 02:15.31 | JJ|Laptop | htc is telling me to flash my phone with what could be the wrong ROM |
| 02:19.21 | eldenz | does anyone know where the current wallpaper is stored? |
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| 02:33.28 | Versed | I just got my g1 tonight, I have a question, I put a application on the sd card, how do get to it to install it? |
| 02:38.09 | eldenz | 1. Enable outside-of-Market applications. Go into Settings, Applications, and enable the "Unknown sources" option. |
| 02:38.20 | eldenz | i don't know any further, though |
| 02:38.33 | romainguy | that's to install apps through the web browser |
| 02:38.41 | romainguy | you can also install the app using the SDK or the Eclipse plugin |
| 02:38.52 | romainguy | (with the SDK, run adb install theapp.apk) |
| 02:40.07 | Andomic | G1 is a good phone , but the battery dies to damn quick. |
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| 02:41.14 | pctechnerd | ahoy hoy |
| 02:41.24 | pctechnerd | anyone up for getting the reward? |
| 02:42.26 | Andomic | what's some good tips for savinf battery life for a long trip? |
| 02:42.47 | P2E | no gps |
| 02:42.50 | spikebike | turn off 3g, wifi, or even better get a car charger ;-) |
| 02:42.53 | spikebike | ya gps as well |
| 02:43.14 | P2E | also if you just got your phone, make sure you go through a full charge/discharge cycles |
| 02:43.29 | P2E | charge it completely, let it die completely |
| 02:43.30 | pctechnerd | i'll be blunt, as being indirective tends to not work on irc chat rooms |
| 02:44.20 | P2E | pctechnerd: I think no one knows what reward you speak of |
| 02:44.28 | pctechnerd | for the last 8 months i've been trying everywhere and googling everywhere to find a grand central invite. if someone has one, i'll gladly trade geeky services or electronics for it |
| 02:45.19 | pctechnerd | a friend of mine, who is a android developer, told me he got one from someone in this irc chat room 3 days ago, so it stuck a new fire under my butt and a hope in my heart |
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| 02:45.22 | pctechnerd | hence why i'm here |
| 02:47.53 | unix_infidel | pctechnerd: what is grand central? |
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| 02:50.38 | Leeds | unix_infidel: a unified messaging system (largely online voicemail and call routing, I think) bought by Google a year or two back |
| 02:51.48 | unix_infidel | Leeds: meh, i'm not big on voice, though visual voicemail sounds nice. |
| 02:51.54 | unix_infidel | which is available elsewhere |
| 02:52.55 | Leeds | frankly, pctechnerd has been spamming this channel for at least the last 3 hours begging for an invite |
| 02:56.27 | JJ|Laptop | so i wonder if upgrading my phone from a 1x radio to a 3x radio could damnage it |
| 02:58.08 | unix_infidel | hmm, dual phone and battery charger...intersting... |
| 02:58.44 | Andomic | yeh charger is good , if i wasn't goin to be on a bus spikebike lol |
| 03:01.35 | Disconnect | Leeds: tag an oper for warning/ban/whatever as appropriate.. |
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| 03:05.07 | TiberiumX | Anyone know of a way for a service to listen for connection to a charger? |
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| 03:28.12 | TiberiumX | For the benefit of anyone who happens to search for this in google: To listen for a charger, your application needs to register for the ACTION_BATTERY_CHANGED intent. |
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| 03:42.42 | pctechnerd | first and foremost, i have not been spamming. i hardly call 1 message every hour or so spamming. and second off, i haven't begged. i've offered advise to people on the things they were needing assistance on, and also offering up a trade |
| 03:43.15 | pctechnerd | your generalistics do not befit the situation |
| 03:43.32 | geist | looks around, wondering who he's talking to |
| 03:44.08 | pctechnerd | i'm talking to leeds and disconnect |
| 03:44.34 | Leeds | yeah... you were spanning |
| 03:44.37 | Leeds | spamming! |
| 03:44.44 | pctechnerd | you're so full of it |
| 03:44.58 | pctechnerd | pull up logs with time stamps and show me where i was spamming |
| 03:44.59 | IznastY | - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ] |
| 03:45.35 | Disconnect | "I only did it occasionally" doesn't stop it being spam. |
| 03:45.39 | pctechnerd | you've been in here long enough you can pull up logs from when i first got here (last night around 4am pacific) |
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| 03:46.09 | pctechnerd | funny, i don't remember directing anyone to a website, or spam posting. i asked someone if they wanted to trade a invite for geek services or electronics |
| 03:46.17 | Leeds | way to make friends and influence people |
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| 03:46.25 | pctechnerd | i'm talking to the general public in this room, in leu of a specific person, does that make it spam? |
| 03:47.07 | Disconnect | you're begging. and its offtopic. in a venue that clearly can not or will not help you. |
| 03:48.12 | pctechnerd | how can someone posting something once every 1.5 hours on average and not asking for handouts be considered begging? |
| 03:48.34 | pctechnerd | and cannot is incorrect, as an android developer friend of mine received one from this very room no more than 3 days ago |
| 03:48.41 | pctechnerd | and directed me here |
| 03:48.48 | pctechnerd | will not is a whole different ball park |
| 03:48.56 | Disconnect | then your friend has done you and us a disservice. |
| 03:49.29 | pctechnerd | wow you are a total dick |
| 03:49.30 | Disconnect | did your friend advise you to keep begging until you annoyed everyone who might be able to help? |
| 03:49.40 | Leeds | is your friend some random person writing software for Android, or one of the plaform developers? |
| 03:49.57 | pctechnerd | are you the room mascot or something? how am I annoying everyone when only leeds has chimed in and then you followed sniffing his butt? |
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| 03:50.11 | pctechnerd | he's a developer of one of the big programs on the store right now |
| 03:50.17 | Disconnect | Leeds: my bet is his friend is just a random user actually |
| 03:50.20 | Leeds | where's an op when you need one |
| 03:50.22 | pctechnerd | and i've also been helping him with program ideas etc.. |
| 03:50.30 | marix | hey guys, whats up? |
| 03:50.48 | pctechnerd | random poster huh? dgMoney? ever seen the program? |
| 03:51.18 | pctechnerd | he advised me that he got one from a user here, and i might want to look here because they were friendly. aparently he wasn't talking about you two |
| 03:52.36 | marix | seems like doucheness follows the g1, the xda dev forms are crawling w/ trolls now. |
| 03:54.24 | JJ|Laptop | jasta: with an upgraded radio (from 1 to 3) android now runs a lot better |
| 03:54.42 | Leeds | pctechnerd: you obviously only joined this channel to ask for invites... if you'd asked once, nobody would have batted an eyelid, but you asked repeatedly after not getting the answer you wanted. my last word on the subject |
| 03:55.07 | unix_infidel | an email is far more effective than irc spam. |
| 03:55.37 | pctechnerd | well I asked multiple times over a period of one day, because different people come to this room at different times. Or am I wrong and this is someone's house that they pay rent at? |
| 03:55.46 | pctechnerd | how is asking a total of 5 times over a period of one day spam? |
| 03:55.57 | Disconnect | asking here, once, is spam. |
| 03:55.59 | pctechnerd | and also inbetween that helping people with questions they had |
| 03:56.11 | ttuttle | pctechnerd: Asking for invites is spam, period. |
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| 03:56.52 | pctechnerd | i'm sorry i offended the mighty IRC gods. Now i remember why I don't use IRC much. you guys are a bunch of arrogant pricks |
| 03:56.56 | ttuttle | pctechnerd: No matter how often, no matter how nice you are in between. |
| 03:57.01 | Disconnect | yep. bye now! |
| 03:57.05 | pctechnerd | wow your code is so 1337. |
| 03:57.45 | marix | lol, drama and i just got here |
| 03:57.47 | pctechnerd | have fun in your basement. hope that picture of princess leah keeps you going for another few weeks |
| 03:57.52 | pctechnerd | bye |
| 03:57.56 | marix | peace |
| 03:57.56 | ttuttle | pctechnerd: have a great night |
| 03:57.58 | ttuttle | damn |
| 03:58.00 | ttuttle | missed. |
| 03:58.04 | ttuttle | what a jackass. |
| 03:58.07 | ttuttle | can we ban him? |
| 03:58.22 | Disconnect | only @google.com opers, so .. no. not until its a community channel :) |
| 03:58.26 | marix | anyone have a working irc client for the g1? |
| 03:58.41 | ttuttle | Or until we convince someone from google... just a sec. |
| 03:58.45 | Disconnect | marix: i've heard of a couple in testing |
| 03:58.49 | Leeds | marix: there are at least a couple under development - I don't think any have been released yet |
| 03:58.54 | geist | we can storm the google campus |
| 03:58.59 | ttuttle | geist: Please don't. |
| 03:59.04 | Disconnect | i think for release you need to use connectbot to irssi :) |
| 03:59.09 | geist | i'm sure they're too lazy with their free food and massages |
| 03:59.10 | ttuttle | likes connectbot to irssi. |
| 03:59.19 | ttuttle | geist: The massages aren't free, there's a co-pay :P |
| 03:59.22 | geist | they wont put up much of a fight |
| 03:59.34 | JJ|Laptop | ssh to irssi :p |
| 03:59.44 | Disconnect | thats what connectbot does |
| 03:59.48 | Leeds | geist: the food is healthy... they're all supermen! (and women) |
| 03:59.52 | ttuttle | The benefit of connectbot to screen to irssi is your IRC stays open even if your connection drops (which happens all the time). |
| 04:00.14 | d03boy | :\\ |
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| 04:02.24 | Nafai | Is there a control or escape on the G1? |
| 04:02.24 | ttuttle | Hmm... pctechnerd's ident seems familiar. |
| 04:02.37 | ttuttle | Nafai: In connectbot? Single press of trackball is control, double press is esc. |
| 04:02.42 | unix_infidel | if you had to guess, what would you say was the most common web services framework for android apps?> |
| 04:03.00 | Nafai | ttuttle: Cool. Thanks. Just learning more while I wait for my G1 to be shipped :) |
| 04:03.09 | ttuttle | Nafai: No problem! And congrats ;-) |
| 04:03.28 | unix_infidel | Nafai: there isnt a t-mobile store near you? |
| 04:03.53 | ttuttle | Wow, my DNS is horribly slow tonight :( |
| 04:04.05 | Nafai | unix_infidel: They aren't sold in stores here because 3G isn't yet deployed here |
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| 04:04.41 | unix_infidel | Nafai: bummer. |
| 04:04.43 | marixg1 | test test |
| 04:04.56 | marix | sweet, i found a java irc client that works |
| 04:04.59 | Nafai | unix_infidel: Yeah, but I should have it by next Wednesday |
| 04:05.02 | marix | http://www.android-unleashed.com/2008/11/howto-internet-relay-chat-irc-on-your.html |
| 04:05.08 | marix | go there on your android phone |
| 04:05.27 | marixg1 | it has a bilt in applet you can use |
| 04:05.40 | Disconnect | meebo does irc too i believe |
| 04:06.00 | unix_infidel | Disconnect: a mobile mibbit client would be awesome. I should talk to axod about it :-P |
| 04:06.26 | d03boy | for christs sake.. |
| 04:06.35 | d03boy | i have eclipse open and im making a damn irc client |
| 04:06.54 | ttuttle | d03boy: Don't forget to make it resistant to network disconnects... |
| 04:06.57 | marixg1 | does mibbit connect through port 80 |
| 04:07.19 | d03boy | ttuttle, i think thats going to depend on the server |
| 04:07.33 | unix_infidel | marixg1: yea. |
| 04:07.48 | ttuttle | d03boy: (It's going to drop out *constantly*. You really need some sort of resumable proxy system to make it work reliably under changing network conditions.) |
| 04:07.49 | marix | nice, i'll have to utilize that at work... |
| 04:07.52 | unix_infidel | well, mibbit runs it's own web server that pulls content from a persistent IRC connection. |
| 04:08.00 | ttuttle | :%s/utilize/use/g |
| 04:08.23 | unix_infidel | if you increase the disconnect window you've got a fairly semi-persistent connection. |
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| 04:08.40 | ttuttle | unix_infidel: ...until your IP changes several times as you jump between EDGE and wifi. |
| 04:08.42 | d03boy | irc connections typically stay open quite a while |
| 04:08.58 | d03boy | hmm |
| 04:09.00 | unix_infidel | ttuttle: i'm referring to registered mibbit users. |
| 04:09.10 | d03boy | so basically I need a client that will connect to a BNC |
| 04:09.11 | ttuttle | unix_infidel: Oh, okay. |
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| 04:09.22 | ttuttle | d03boy: I use irssi-proxy (it's built in to irssi). |
| 04:09.28 | ttuttle | d03boy: Yeah, I think support for that would be very useful. |
| 04:10.00 | unix_infidel | ttuttle: though multiuser mobile web chat isnt very well done yet imho. |
| 04:10.17 | ttuttle | unix_infidel: /me doesn't get the "web" bit. |
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| 04:11.36 | unix_infidel | ttuttle: meh, it could be done over any protocol, as long as you went with some sort of ws-reliablemessaging. |
| 04:11.39 | marix | http://embed.mibbit.com/?server=irc.freenode.net&channel=%23android |
| 04:11.46 | marix | heres teh site you should go to |
| 04:11.57 | marix | its full screen and no scrolling |
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| 04:12.14 | ttuttle|mibbit | Wow, it works. |
| 04:12.14 | marix | just book mark that bad boy |
| 04:12.22 | ttuttle|mibbit | How well does it work on a G1? |
| 04:12.26 | marix | its nice and easy |
| 04:12.43 | d03boy | i wish i actually had a G1.. |
| 04:12.46 | unix_infidel | marix: i'm pretty sure he means how decent is the text rendering. |
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| 04:12.59 | ttuttle | d03boy: Have you ordered one? |
| 04:13.02 | KNY | whoa |
| 04:13.49 | d03boy | ttuttle, its nto available in my area yet |
| 04:13.54 | ttuttle | d03boy: :( |
| 04:13.58 | ttuttle | d03boy: Drive somewhere else. |
| 04:14.04 | JJ|Laptop | knwo what really sucks? |
| 04:14.06 | JJ|Laptop | *know |
| 04:14.08 | marix | hopefully this chat room is a bit less noob filled than some of the android forums |
| 04:14.14 | d03boy | black holes? |
| 04:14.25 | JJ|Laptop | i jsut flashed my phone and forgot to backup my contacts and ims |
| 04:14.25 | marix | its horrid having people ask how to |
| 04:14.34 | ttuttle | marix: not by much. there are some smart people here, but also a lot of noobs. |
| 04:14.45 | marix | "jailbreak" their phones when they ahve no idea what its even for |
| 04:14.51 | ttuttle | marix: most of the noobs aren't dumb, though, just learning. |
| 04:14.56 | unix_infidel | this coming from the carnegie mellon kid. |
| 04:15.05 | ttuttle | marix: oh, i *hate* that. |
| 04:15.07 | ttuttle | :P |
| 04:15.14 | marix | :) |
| 04:15.22 | ttuttle | ;) |
| 04:15.37 | JJ|Laptop | damn... |
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| 04:15.47 | JJ|Laptop | i need to re-hack my htc touch vogue |
| 04:17.46 | KNY | jesus. someone just emailed me to ask if he could write applications for the G1, so I linked him to code.google.com/android and then he says "Hey dude give me your number because if I need help I can ask u" |
| 04:17.48 | KNY | not a chance, mate |
| 04:18.06 | KNY | I told him I'll give him my number as soon as he tells me where to send my invoice, haha |
| 04:18.44 | ttuttle | KNY: /me does not like it when people are clingy like that. |
| 04:18.58 | KNY | ttuttle, that's what I get for being helpful, I guess |
| 04:19.17 | offby1 | I would never help someone who spells "you" as "u". |
| 04:19.19 | ttuttle | KNY: eh. |
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| 04:19.43 | ttuttle | offby1: /me generally dislikes it when people use "text speak" on IRC. |
| 04:19.46 | Nafai | offby1: I'm joining the G1 club :) |
| 04:20.00 | KNY | offby1, by followed it up with another email saying this: "Hey dude can you add like the TV shows just like we enter the tv show and it works or u can't do that" |
| 04:20.02 | ttuttle | offby1: I mean, I go to the effort of typing reasonably grammatical sentences, with (usually) proper capitalization... |
| 04:20.08 | ttuttle | KNY: Wow, what an idiot. |
| 04:20.23 | KNY | ttuttle, yeah, and that's probably the fifth email like that I've gotten from him |
| 04:20.27 | KNY | I don't even know what he's requesting |
| 04:20.34 | KNY | time to just stop replying, I guess |
| 04:20.54 | ttuttle | KNY: You could just tell him you don't have time. |
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| 04:21.48 | KNY | ttuttle, you'll like this: "O dude un cool weel can you add fun stuff" "I'll do my best. Cheers, KNY" "Thanks dude" |
| 04:21.58 | KNY | same guy |
| 04:21.59 | KNY | haha |
| 04:22.01 | ttuttle | can't even parse that. |
| 04:22.07 | ttuttle | "un cool weel"? |
| 04:22.22 | KNY | yeah, my brain threw a syntax error |
| 04:22.26 | ttuttle | Oh, I get it. |
| 04:22.33 | ttuttle | "Oh, dude, uncool. Well, can you add fun stuff?" |
| 04:22.38 | KNY | ahhh |
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| 04:23.07 | eugene | hmm |
| 04:23.16 | KNY | let me try to find what he was replying to (everything comes in as a new message because he doesn't use subjects and so everything is just subject: RE: |
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| 04:23.40 | JJ|Laptop | KNY: that's just sad... |
| 04:23.50 | JJ|Laptop | i'm afraid to see what apps he would make |
| 04:24.00 | KNY | JJ|Laptop, "Well because I went to that web site and I tried 2 download it like the words were on the chart and I clicked them and it said could not download because it was like it said could not download because it was not with the phone" |
| 04:24.07 | KNY | I don't think we need to worry about that anytime soon |
| 04:24.27 | JJ|Laptop | lol |
| 04:24.39 | offby1 | KNY: which app is yours? |
| 04:24.46 | KNY | ttuttle, ah, here's what was uncool: I told him that this was impossible -- "Hey make one where you can like listen to the radio,just like we put in the radio station but make it easy plez and make sure it work" |
| 04:25.01 | KNY | offby1, Mileage and G1 Central (he was asking about G1 Central) |
| 04:25.10 | JJ|Laptop | i won;t hold my breath to see "it is der weel!!" in the apps store |
| 04:25.36 | Leeds | so he was just firing random app ideas at you and expecting you to say "yes, certainly, I will have that app written, tested and available by teatime, old chap"? |
| 04:25.39 | KNY | I should walk this guy through hello world just for the comedy value |
| 04:25.44 | ttuttle | KNY: No. |
| 04:25.52 | ttuttle | KNY: Please, save your sanity. (Or what's left of it.) |
| 04:25.55 | offby1 | never ran into G1 central. |
| 04:26.00 | offby1 | left his phone at work, so ... |
| 04:26.03 | KNY | offby1, it's relatively new. |
| 04:26.04 | ttuttle | offby1: :( |
| 04:26.12 | offby1 | *shrug* I'll get it tomorrow |
| 04:26.12 | KNY | and unless you use GrandCentral, I don't think you'd care |
| 04:26.25 | JJ|Laptop | lol |
| 04:26.25 | offby1 | KNY: nah, I generally use PennStation |
| 04:26.27 | offby1 | :) |
| 04:26.38 | KNY | offby1, and even if you don't, feel free to email me multiple times demanding I give you and invitation that I don't have |
| 04:26.40 | KNY | sighs |
| 04:26.43 | KNY | offby1, haha |
| 04:26.58 | KNY | I was in Penn Station earlier this summer |
| 04:27.02 | Leeds | KNY: I will perform sexual favours in return for an invite? |
| 04:27.11 | JJ|Laptop | pennstation? |
| 04:27.15 | KNY | JJ|Laptop, in NYC |
| 04:27.20 | JJ|Laptop | aahh |
| 04:27.26 | JJ|Laptop | i thought it was simillar to grand central |
| 04:27.56 | KNY | Leeds, yeah sure, let me send you one. I have tons! |
| 04:28.01 | offby1 | JJ|Laptop: How wrong you are! Grand Central is a beautiful architectural gem; Penn Station is like a cheap office with buzzing fluorescent lights |
| 04:28.18 | Leeds | and none of them compare to St. Pancreas! |
| 04:28.26 | KNY | offby1, at least it's relatively convenient to times square |
| 04:28.40 | marix | check check |
| 04:28.42 | marix | test test |
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| 04:28.43 | marix | etc |
| 04:29.13 | offby1 | KNY: pfft |
| 04:29.38 | offby1 | *thump* *thump* Is this thing on? |
| 04:30.07 | marix | sorry, just testing to see how long it can go before disconnecting |
| 04:30.16 | d03boy | lalala |
| 04:30.23 | marix | looks like its solid unless the device goes to black screen |
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| 04:32.43 | d03boy | what exactly are you testing? |
| 04:33.44 | JJ|Laptop | d03boy: probably that web irc |
| 04:34.32 | marix | yup |
| 04:34.37 | marix | it kees on updating it |
| 04:34.44 | marix | even if you are composing an email |
| 04:34.51 | marix | or if you open a new tab in your browser |
| 04:34.55 | marix | it works really great |
| 04:35.20 | marix | except you cannot scroll up to view old messages and cant scroll through theusers field |
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| 04:37.43 | JJ|Laptop | lol |
| 04:37.44 | offby1 | damn, I would leave my phone at work the day an IRC client is released. |
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| 04:39.58 | marix | its not really released |
| 04:39.58 | d03boy | why would you leave it at work |
| 04:40.03 | marix | http://embed.mibbit.com/?server=irc.freenode.net&channel=%23android |
| 04:40.08 | marix | just go there in teh browser |
| 04:40.09 | Leeds | released in an iphoner-version-1 way |
| 04:40.22 | marix | lol yea |
| 04:40.28 | marix | you know "real apps |
| 04:40.29 | marix | " |
| 04:40.52 | d03boy | i'm almost considering running a server and creating a client side app that connects through it |
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| 04:41.09 | d03boy | lots of complications with that |
| 04:41.19 | benley | d03boy: I'm working on that |
| 04:41.26 | marix | im hoping for a really nice remote desktop app |
| 04:41.29 | marix | that would make my day |
| 04:41.38 | benley | d03boy: the backend already exists, called cognetd. There's a cognet frontend for the hiptop platform. |
| 04:41.52 | Leeds | marix: vnc? |
| 04:42.14 | marix | do they have a vnc app for android? |
| 04:42.27 | Leeds | not yet... |
| 04:42.42 | marix | i had a swank one on my blackberry |
| 04:42.52 | unix_infidel | tethering > VNC (imho) |
| 04:42.56 | marix | but the pearl's processor was too slow for it to render worth a damn |
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| 04:43.24 | BHSPitMonkey | unix_infidel, how are tethering and VNC even alike enough for comparison? |
| 04:43.25 | marix | i agree, tethering would be a killer app, esp if it were wireless |
| 04:43.47 | marix | your phone oculd be a walkign hotspot |
| 04:44.38 | unix_infidel | BHSPitMonkey: your unix_infidel parser is broken. |
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| 04:45.55 | BHSPitMonkey | unix_infidel, I think unix_infidel is broken |
| 04:46.12 | KNY | how do you folks handle developing an app while wanting to use it? (and not constantly lose your database) |
| 04:46.24 | KNY | BHSPitMonkey, he was saying he'd rather have a tethering app than a VNC app |
| 04:47.03 | BHSPitMonkey | KNY, I stand firm in my belief that unix_infidel is broken |
| 04:47.16 | p_quarles | +1s BHSPitMonkey |
| 04:47.19 | KNY | patches welcome |
| 04:47.26 | KNY | ;) |
| 04:47.43 | BHSPitMonkey | diff unix_infidel BHSPitMonkey |
| 04:47.49 | BHSPitMonkey | there's your miracle patch! |
| 04:47.53 | KNY | haha |
| 04:48.14 | unix_infidel | f(s) = s |
| 04:48.41 | marix | yo shit is broke! |
| 04:49.16 | unix_infidel | apparently everyone elses unix_infidel parser is working splendidly. |
| 04:49.33 | marix | tru tru |
| 04:49.51 | marix | did you guys try out opera mini yet |
| 04:50.28 | KNY | marix, I did for a bit |
| 04:50.51 | marix | thoughts? |
| 04:51.20 | KNY | I like the built-in one better |
| 04:51.36 | p_quarles | opera mini isn't touch screen friendly at all |
| 04:51.37 | KNY | but I just mainly use the browser for quick google searches since I don't have 3G |
| 04:52.06 | BHSPitMonkey | "threege" |
| 04:52.10 | marix | yea, i'm on edge sometimes and find opera mini alot quicker for common sites like msnbc etc |
| 04:52.25 | KNY | yeah the rendering is faster |
| 04:52.28 | p_quarles | it's very fast -- but it doesn't work with Android's ui |
| 04:52.37 | KNY | yeah, it's not native at all |
| 04:52.38 | marix | but i think chrome lite, can i call it that?, is a better browser |
| 04:52.56 | KNY | their URL entry box cracked me up so bad when I first saw it |
| 04:53.09 | marix | yea, got all gihugen |
| 04:53.14 | BHSPitMonkey | ports IE5 to Android |
| 04:53.31 | KNY | marix, fill_parent/fill_parent |
| 04:53.48 | p_quarles | BHSPitMonkey: Your phone may be infected with viruses; click here to scan |
| 04:54.22 | KNY | p_quarles, it definitely has a virus; he just said he installed IE5 ;) |
| 04:54.23 | marix | kny you are geeking out on me a bit too far |
| 04:54.50 | unix_infidel | anyone know of a place that documents all the limitations of the j2me runner? |
| 04:55.53 | marix | i havn't had any luck w/ it |
| 04:56.03 | marix | i tried importing that j2me zelda port |
| 04:56.06 | marix | but no go |
| 04:57.24 | marix | http://zeldamobile.gorthwogh.net/Downloads.php |
| 04:57.30 | marix | chiggity check it out |
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| 05:00.17 | BHSPitMonkey | p_quarles, omg thank you, I had no idea |
| 05:01.05 | Lieu10ant | hey |
| 05:01.26 | Lieu10ant | someone say my name |
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| 05:01.51 | p_quarles | BHSPitMonkey: 'sokay; give me money and I'll fix it |
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| 05:01.57 | marix | when noone is around you say baby i love you |
| 05:02.32 | KNY | Lieu10ant, |
| 05:02.45 | Lieu10ant | nothing happened :( |
| 05:02.54 | Lieu10ant | do it without the capital L |
| 05:03.00 | Lieu10ant | lowercase |
| 05:03.31 | marix | well, aren't you needy |
| 05:03.37 | Lieu10ant | plz lol |
| 05:03.49 | marix | Lieu10ant ? |
| 05:03.55 | Lieu10ant | im tryna test something |
| 05:04.16 | marix | Lieu10an is this what you are hoping for> |
| 05:04.16 | Lieu10ant | 1 more time plz |
| 05:04.25 | marix | Lieu10ant so needy |
| 05:04.43 | Lieu10ant | wtf its not giving me a notice :( |
| 05:04.46 | Lieu10ant | 1 sec |
| 05:05.06 | Lieu10ant | k do it now plz n thank you. |
| 05:06.11 | tarelerulz | Is there a video player on G1 for stuff beside you tube ? If so where would one look up infor about it or get it |
| 05:06.59 | marix | the market has one |
| 05:07.01 | marix | it's ok... |
| 05:07.04 | p_quarles | tarelerulz: there are a couple mp4 players in the marketplace; in-browser flash is in the works |
| 05:07.08 | marix | also you can stream some video |
| 05:07.13 | marix | via the browser |
| 05:09.04 | tarelerulz | What about say if you copy one of your own movies to the local drive of the thing? could you want movie on the stick thing |
| 05:09.20 | unix_infidel | tarelerulz: iirc, they only h264 |
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| 05:10.47 | tarelerulz | unix_infidel: So you can play videos in h264 on the G1 ? |
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| 05:11.11 | Leeds | sure |
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| 05:11.31 | unix_infidel | what's the app in marketplace that plays video? |
| 05:12.00 | Leeds | video player :-) |
| 05:13.59 | tarelerulz | Where is the link to android store? I look and I did not find media player . I read and see youtube vidoes showing ,but not find anything on it . |
| 05:14.44 | Leeds | there is no link - the Market is an application on your G1 |
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| 05:17.36 | tarelerulz | Leeds , How would one look into what the g1 has before say buying it |
| 05:18.01 | tarelerulz | If it really does have media player that can play h264 and it easy to get then I am there |
| 05:18.23 | Leeds | go to the store and look? |
| 05:18.43 | Leeds | there is no video player included, except the youtube one, but there are video playing libraries - including h264 codecs |
| 05:18.44 | marix | agreed |
| 05:19.00 | marix | so go to the market on the demo device and install the app |
| 05:19.09 | marix | then slip your sd card in and check to see if it will play |
| 05:19.20 | Leeds | there are at least a couple of video players available for free download which will play h264 video... the only issue to be aware of is that you might need to use a relatively low bitrate |
| 05:19.22 | marix | any tmo rep would let you do this, they make their money in sales |
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| 05:20.56 | tarelerulz | I don't have one to check. I was just wondering if I could get some real info on what I really can do . So I know what I am getting before I get one. Media player is big feature to me and that and the phone action . If it can do those two thing I will run out and buy one when I get money |
| 05:21.14 | benley | yes, it plays h264. |
| 05:21.26 | marix | it will only get better from here |
| 05:21.38 | benley | seems like mostly the same resolution/encodings as the iphone work on the g1 for videos. |
| 05:21.46 | marix | yup |
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| 05:22.54 | Leeds | yeah, pretty much AFAIK |
| 05:23.58 | tarelerulz | I haven seen a lot of cool app for it like the barcode reader . Have any you guys explore what apps you can get for it? |
| 05:24.25 | benley | yes |
| 05:24.34 | benley | there's a frickin bajillion things in the market now |
| 05:24.35 | marix | they just released a 3d benchmark utility for it |
| 05:24.45 | benley | oh yeah? |
| 05:24.56 | marix | it can produce gamecube era graphics |
| 05:25.03 | marix | at 25 fps |
| 05:25.19 | benley | call me when it runs mario kart :) |
| 05:25.23 | marix | its called neocore |
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| 05:25.27 | marix | you should check it out |
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| 05:25.35 | benley | searches market |
| 05:25.48 | tarelerulz | I would like to see some as cool as itunes for it. |
| 05:26.08 | benley | tarelerulz: the music player isn't as slick as itunes, but it's usable. |
| 05:26.12 | marix | i also read that the 3d stack for android isn't very mature and that they expect to double the fps sooner or later |
| 05:26.24 | benley | installs neocore |
| 05:26.33 | marix | tarelerulz plenty of audio player apps are coming to the market aswell |
| 05:26.46 | Leeds | there should be better music apps along sooner or later... unlike the iphone, it's perfectly reasonable to use a third-party music app |
| 05:27.05 | tarelerulz | What about the homebrew scene for it ? |
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| 05:27.15 | Leeds | if I ever get around to actually doing some android coding, a dedicated audiobook/audiomagazine player is on my to-do list |
| 05:27.19 | marix | the whole thing is a homebrew scene |
| 05:27.21 | Leeds | what homebrew? it's an open platform |
| 05:27.47 | Leeds | there's a small hacking scene, mainly based around xda-developers, I think |
| 05:28.11 | BHSPitMonkey | Leeds, open platform, touting a closed phone on the market |
| 05:28.26 | Leeds | BHSPitMonkey: the platform is not the device |
| 05:28.26 | benley | so far there doesn't seem to be any reason to mess with phone OS haking yet |
| 05:28.34 | BHSPitMonkey | Leeds, for now, it is |
| 05:28.41 | pawalls | benley, Tethering? |
| 05:28.43 | Leeds | benley: the only thing has been getting and/or keeping root access, really |
| 05:28.48 | benley | pawalls: does that work? |
| 05:28.54 | pawalls | benley, uid 0 gets you the ability to do WiFi tethering w/ iptables |
| 05:28.59 | BHSPitMonkey | until there's another phone out, Android == G1 |
| 05:29.00 | benley | I haven't heard of anyone actually adding these features yet. |
| 05:29.15 | tarelerulz | When I said homebrew I meant people like us not companies |
| 05:29.37 | benley | tarelerulz: you can run your own apps on the thing. no restrictions on that. |
| 05:29.40 | pawalls | benley, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?s=dcd850619598d9dae58abe47153402ca&t=444004 |
| 05:29.46 | jasta | sup phil |
| 05:29.57 | marix | did you find the neocore app benley? |
| 05:30.00 | Leeds | tarelerulz: you can download the SDK and start coding immediately... I think there's a $25 registration fee for the market, but otherwise there are very few restrictions - and people can load apps from random websites anyway, not just from the market |
| 05:30.03 | benley | marix: yep, it's running :) |
| 05:30.25 | Leeds | and the fee is a gatekeeping thing, just to stop them being flooded with requests, AFAIK |
| 05:31.11 | tarelerulz | Leeds, I wish I was coder or I would look into that. right now compile is as close as I get to coding and maybe noob python tutorial |
| 05:31.42 | Leeds | BHSPitMonkey: there will be other devices in the next few months, there's always the emulator, and there are quite a few devices out there which have been hacked - to a greater or lesser extent - to run Android |
| 05:31.50 | benley | marix: pretty impressive |
| 05:32.00 | marix | yea, for java... |
| 05:32.04 | marix | :) |
| 05:32.15 | Leeds | my main question on the 3D stuff is how badly it's going to destroy my battery |
| 05:32.20 | Leeds | marix: don't be so sure it's Java |
| 05:32.31 | marix | it has to be |
| 05:32.32 | pawalls | benley, There are a lot of interesting hacks on droidsans.com as well. |
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| 05:32.43 | marix | every android app on the market is written in java |
| 05:32.44 | Leeds | no it doesn't ;-) |
| 05:33.06 | marix | it gets a little warm running it on loop |
| 05:33.10 | pawalls | benley, Accelerometer based rotation, etc. |
| 05:33.18 | Leeds | marix: I don't have my logs to hand, but people were talking about it a few hours ago and seemed pretty certain it was at least partially native code |
| 05:33.42 | marix | id guess batt life will be similar to video playback |
| 05:33.43 | pawalls | benley, And the multi-touch demos show some promise. |
| 05:33.56 | pawalls | benley, Anyway.. just saying there are *some* reasons to want a jailbroken G1 :-P |
| 05:34.20 | marix | leeds, maybe qualcomm has its hand in the cookie jar then. |
| 05:34.35 | tarelerulz | What would be cool is player that supported , mulit audio , subtitles . All ways wanted to watch anime on portable and have real softsubs . |
| 05:35.00 | Leeds | marix: google/android people were involved in that discussion and didn't have any problem with the idea, as I read it |
| 05:35.04 | benley | marix: you don't have to break things to run native code |
| 05:35.26 | marix | the objective was to put everything behind the java VM sandbox |
| 05:35.29 | Leeds | nope |
| 05:35.39 | marix | maybe not break things, but bypass something for sure |
| 05:35.39 | benley | marix: you can even include native binaries in an apk. It's just not particularly encouraged. |
| 05:35.46 | Leeds | wish I had my logs from earlier on - they're at home, I'm not |
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| 05:36.02 | marix | leeds, ill look for it, thanks |
| 05:36.05 | benley | no really, it's not forbidden. There's just no guarantee of forward compatibility. |
| 05:36.22 | marix | so its not documented in the sdk then |
| 05:36.29 | benley | right. |
| 05:36.35 | Leeds | lots of things aren't documented... yet |
| 05:36.39 | marix | lol |
| 05:36.58 | Leeds | I've seen google folks suggest that documenting stuff would be a way for external people to contribute |
| 05:37.26 | marix | if you run that benchmark w/ sound on it drops about 5 fps |
| 05:37.34 | Leeds | I noticed that... |
| 05:38.02 | BHSPitMonkey | lol |
| 05:38.13 | marix | and the sound is just a simple overlay, no calls at all |
| 05:38.14 | marix | :( |
| 05:38.22 | BHSPitMonkey | of course they hand off documenting the product to the community :P |
| 05:38.31 | rip | is there any way to test pvś open core test framework ? |
| 05:38.45 | rip | has any one in the group tried ? |
| 05:41.25 | RyeBrye | Umm... on what planet would Gasbot be worth $7 a year? |
| 05:42.10 | marix | im not having any luck finding logs or discussion of logs. Was this your personal work or was it on a forum somewhere? |
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| 05:42.39 | marix | hey ryebrye, you're famous! |
| 05:42.59 | marix | doesn't gasbot pull from a free service anyway? |
| 05:43.01 | RyeBrye | What logs? |
| 05:43.27 | marix | bently leeds and i were discussing the possiblity of the neocore demo not being all java |
| 05:43.38 | RyeBrye | Oh. yeah, andyross discovered that |
| 05:43.39 | RyeBrye | infobot logs |
| 05:43.40 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
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| 05:43.54 | Leeds | marix: this channel earlier today |
| 05:44.02 | Leeds | ah, I didn't know infobot was here! |
| 05:44.03 | marix | ah, i see |
| 05:44.11 | RyeBrye | infobot neocore |
| 05:44.23 | Leeds | infobot android |
| 05:44.24 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, android is an Open Handset Alliance Project by Google or an alleged Open Source phone software stack that's really not open. http://code.google.com/android/, or if it's sometime actually freed, someone might port it on the neo, but the provided binaries are incompatible |
| 05:44.26 | RyeBrye | infobot neocore is a cool demo by Qualcomm that cheats by using native code |
| 05:44.27 | infobot | RyeBrye: okay |
| 05:44.55 | Leeds | infobot Leeds |
| 05:44.56 | infobot | i heard leeds is a bloke called Richard making bras in Hong Kong, or a bloke called Richard, or a rubbish footie team, or better than Google, or a Solaris freeware and Perl expert, or a regexp expert, or been fired from the bra company, or not my problem, or a very sociable guy, or a sexy alian, or the manual, or a whining butthead |
| 05:45.36 | Leeds | some of those factlets are true... |
| 05:45.38 | marix | whining butthead is correct! |
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| 05:46.02 | KNY | RyeBrye, just write up a GasFree and that would be the end of that :) |
| 05:46.33 | Leeds | marix: thanks, appreciate it |
| 05:46.43 | Leeds | anyway, see 17:33.33 in the log for November 25th |
| 05:47.13 | marix | leeds, looking at it now, thanks |
| 05:48.38 | Leeds | infobot: botsnack |
| 05:48.38 | infobot | aw, gee, Leeds |
| 05:49.30 | DarkriftX | sets is so that everythign he says in here begins with a space so when he talks the logs look really funny |
| 05:49.32 | DarkriftX | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.09 | KNY | DarkriftX, why would they look funny? It would just be like you're never here |
| 05:50.20 | Leeds | infobot moonslap marix |
| 05:50.20 | infobot | ACTION nabs the moon and broadsides marix with the sea of tranquility |
| 05:50.26 | DarkriftX | if i was talking to soemone, they would appear to talk to themselves |
| 05:50.30 | KNY | though people (such as myself) would be replying to a phantom |
| 05:50.31 | Leeds | I'll stop now... |
| 05:50.33 | KNY | heh |
| 05:50.38 | DarkriftX | exactly |
| 05:50.51 | marix | infobot you're a jerk |
| 05:50.51 | infobot | I know you are but what am I? |
| 05:51.04 | marix | oh snap, the peewee herman defence |
| 05:51.08 | marix | didn't see that coming |
| 05:51.48 | tarelerulz | Is there an music player that reads id3 tags so You can search by artist , album , ect ? if you put say 1gb of music on the thing |
| 05:52.31 | Leeds | tarelerulz: yes, the built-in one does that |
| 05:53.39 | tarelerulz | The main thing I think is cool more then the open nature it is not need some kind of software just to put songs on it. a lot to be said for drag and drop . |
| 05:53.43 | Leeds | lots of users have cards which are a lot bigger than 1GB too :-) |
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| 05:53.52 | Leeds | nope, just put the music on the card and away you go |
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| 05:54.15 | lgbr | What's the best way to make an error popup? |
| 05:54.23 | marix | tarelerulz, you should just buy one. worst case, you hate it and sell it on ebay for a couple hundred extra. |
| 05:54.40 | KNY | lgbr, AlertDialog.Builder(context).create(); |
| 05:54.55 | marix | lgbr submerge the g1 in water wile running your app |
| 05:55.05 | tarelerulz | Leeds, haha 1gb of music is small for most people now days. Of random music even , easy to if you get all the stuff of group |
| 05:55.20 | lgbr | marix: hahaha |
| 05:55.23 | lgbr | KNY: Thanks |
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| 05:55.26 | KNY | tarelerulz, I bought an 8GB card for $20 |
| 05:55.29 | tarelerulz | Main thing I don't feel cool about is sign up for two years. |
| 05:55.38 | KNY | tarelerulz, I bought mine out of contract |
| 05:55.45 | KNY | of course, I paid $400, but meh |
| 05:55.45 | marix | tarelerulz it supports up to 16gb cards, which are hot swapable |
| 05:55.50 | meoblast001 | ok im starting to get serious about porting stuff |
| 05:55.57 | marix | i got mine off craigs list for 270 |
| 05:55.59 | meoblast001 | is it possible to port an SDL aplication to android? |
| 05:56.06 | Leeds | KNY: so the actual price for an unlocked, out-of-contract G1 is $423 or so? |
| 05:56.18 | tarelerulz | KNY , who you go though for phone ? |
| 05:56.22 | Leeds | I'm tempted to start importing them :-) |
| 05:56.33 | KNY | Leeds, it was $432 USD after tax, I believe |
| 05:56.43 | KNY | tarelerulz, the t-mobile store |
| 05:56.44 | KNY | in person |
| 05:56.50 | Leeds | okay, and an unlock code costs about $23, I believe |
| 05:57.25 | marix | does the european g1 work on most networks over there? |
| 05:57.27 | KNY | just walk in, say you want a G1 out of contract, they add the cost to your bill, you walk out and get shipped a phone if you're not in a 3G area |
| 05:57.36 | KNY | if you're in a 3G area, you walk out with phone in hand |
| 05:58.02 | KNY | Leeds, what did you pay? |
| 05:58.23 | Leeds | $4300 ish, before trade-in |
| 05:58.47 | Leeds | slightly over US$550 |
| 05:59.00 | marix | infobot tell me more |
| 05:59.08 | meoblast001 | anyone know where i can pick up an Android SDL sdk? |
| 05:59.20 | romainguy__ | the SDK? |
| 05:59.36 | KNY | Leeds, dang. |
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| 05:59.54 | meoblast001 | no |
| 05:59.56 | Leeds | there's no SDL SDK, is there? |
| 05:59.59 | meoblast001 | an SDK to build SDL apps |
| 06:00.09 | meoblast001 | i need to find a way to port SDL apps to android |
| 06:00.37 | Leeds | I don't think there is a way, yet |
| 06:00.45 | marix | what i've heard is that the codec's for video were created for the sdk, but any other codecs will be very difficult to perform in java. |
| 06:00.59 | meoblast001 | i heard someone did it but i doubt it will work |
| 06:01.03 | tarelerulz | KNY, you mean just walk into verison ask for a phone with out contract and walk out. I wish I was not poor right at this moment |
| 06:01.11 | meoblast001 | http://www.anddev.org/port_opengl-sdl-tinysdgl_to_android_with_native_c-t3265.html |
| 06:01.26 | KNY | tarelerulz, you could walk into verizon, but you're not walking out with a G1 if you do :) |
| 06:01.27 | Leeds | tarelerulz: t-mobile |
| 06:01.52 | romainguy__ | meoblast001: so why don't you use this? |
| 06:01.56 | RyeBrye | KNT: Re: Gas-Free... Yeah, wouldn't be hard, and it would be easy to make it look much better than that too |
| 06:02.01 | meoblast001 | romainguy, dont know if it will work |
| 06:02.31 | KNY | RyeBrye, definitely. |
| 06:02.39 | romainguy__ | meoblast001: why? apparently it works, just give it a try |
| 06:02.40 | marix | gas-free will be out soon enough |
| 06:02.45 | meoblast001 | ok |
| 06:03.02 | meoblast001 | if it works i'll make my own media player for android =P |
| 06:03.20 | marix | if we can have 4 versions of term emulators i'm sure someone can put together a new gas finder app |
| 06:03.28 | romainguy__ | meoblast001: and nobody will be able to run it :)) |
| 06:03.30 | meoblast001 | romainguy__: is there a cursor at all in Android? |
| 06:03.32 | tarelerulz | Leeds, thanks got mixed up on the details . Cool phone action , media playing and host of innovative program for it . Plus maybe something working with Linux and not be some hack or halfway will be nice |
| 06:03.37 | romainguy__ | meoblast001: a cursor? |
| 06:03.44 | meoblast001 | romainguy__: why wouldnt they be able to run it? |
| 06:03.49 | RyeBrye | you mean amouse cursor? |
| 06:03.49 | marix | like mouse pointer? |
| 06:03.50 | romainguy__ | because it's native code |
| 06:04.02 | meoblast001 | whats native code? |
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| 06:04.09 | umdk1d3 | heh opera has a mouse cursor |
| 06:04.17 | romainguy__ | umdk1d3: yeah :) |
| 06:04.26 | marix | yea, its odd that it can't accept diag inputs |
| 06:04.31 | marix | my blackberry could just fine |
| 06:04.41 | romainguy__ | marix: "diag inputs"? |
| 06:04.56 | marix | diagonal |
| 06:05.02 | meoblast001 | i love how tmobile makes it look like the only thing good about android is google web search |
| 06:05.18 | marix | it feels like an etch a sketch when you scroll in operamini |
| 06:05.25 | romainguy__ | ah opera mini |
| 06:05.26 | romainguy__ | yes |
| 06:05.33 | romainguy__ | well it looks like a quick port |
| 06:05.38 | marix | but the pearl uses the same input method |
| 06:05.39 | tarelerulz | Since the g1 are on the same level as pda where they really need to do stuff with reading docs and other such things. Why not if you can |
| 06:05.39 | romainguy__ | they don't support fling for instance |
| 06:05.58 | marix | but its alot smoother, maybe the input refresh is just slow and choppy |
| 06:06.00 | marix | dunno |
| 06:06.28 | umdk1d3 | i was impressed with operas speed, esp w/o native code |
| 06:06.40 | umdk1d3 | webkit runs native right? |
| 06:06.43 | romainguy__ | yep |
| 06:06.48 | romainguy__ | but opera mini uses a proxy server |
| 06:06.48 | meoblast001 | romainguy__: is this a bad thing if this goes fullscreen http://static1.photo.sina.com.cn/bmiddle/4a0a39c3g5994bb8a3f70 |
| 06:06.54 | romainguy__ | so it sends very little and processes very little |
| 06:07.00 | marix | yea, opera mobile for the WM devices is a really nice browser |
| 06:07.21 | romainguy__ | meoblast001: it takes over the screen so it basically prevent interactions with the Android OS |
| 06:07.22 | Leeds | opera mini is really good on my old pre-smartphone... but it's not really necessary on android |
| 06:07.33 | umdk1d3 | romainguy__: very intersting, didnt know that, was prolly buried in eula somewhere lol |
| 06:07.57 | romainguy__ | umdk1d3: http://www.gamekult.com/tout/jeux/fiches/J000087332_test.html << this page is 72 KB with Opera Mini for instance |
| 06:08.05 | meoblast001 | romainguy, im assuming using the keyboard would communicate with SDL correct? |
| 06:08.12 | romainguy__ | you can also see that it reflows the page so that the text is the same width as your screen |
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| 06:10.32 | marix | does tmo have any g1 gear yet? |
| 06:10.38 | marix | i need a holster |
| 06:11.26 | tarelerulz | What can it plug into normal wall outlet ? the g1 |
| 06:11.54 | marix | tarelerulz, please try again. |
| 06:11.58 | meoblast001 | whats the screenres of android? |
| 06:12.31 | p_quarles | 320x480 iirc |
| 06:12.38 | meoblast001 | k |
| 06:12.40 | umdk1d3 | 480x320 on emulator and g1 |
| 06:13.50 | tarelerulz | Can g1 plug into a normal wall outlet ? |
| 06:14.12 | KNY | yes |
| 06:14.21 | KNY | it comes with a USB charger and a wall charger |
| 06:14.32 | marix | the special htc plug is compatible w/ micro usb |
| 06:15.28 | marix | sorry, shoudl be mini usb |
| 06:15.33 | tarelerulz | Mircro usb is what I would think on phone. Normal USB would be great haha |
| 06:16.16 | p_quarles | it's a proprietary connector called extUSB |
| 06:16.30 | meoblast001 | romainguy__: is android opensource now? |
| 06:16.36 | KNY | has been for like a month |
| 06:16.38 | romainguy__ | since October 21st |
| 06:16.43 | meoblast001 | nice |
| 06:17.32 | tarelerulz | Never will happen ,but I would love to see mkv support on something haha |
| 06:17.48 | romainguy__ | android is open source, patches are welcome |
| 06:18.39 | umdk1d3 | mmm mkv is nice, and lightweight compared to other containers |
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| 06:19.48 | tarelerulz | umdk1d3: I love mkv myself. It has lot of great feature THAT have yet to BE used to any where tagging , menu action |
| 06:22.34 | _avatar | woohoo, i got my app working -- i can turn lights in my house on and off with my phone :D |
| 06:23.00 | tarelerulz | dud , avatar , nice |
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| 06:27.29 | Leeds | tarelerulz: why will it never happen? note android has ogg vorbis support out of the box... |
| 06:29.38 | tarelerulz | Leeds , I hope it does . I am ripping all my movies in mkv . If it does i don't think it will do all the features. I don't know one linux program that does all mkv features. Like meta taging system and menu stuff |
| 06:31.56 | lgbr | people wrote mean things about my first app :( |
| 06:32.17 | tarelerulz | What you first app lgbr? |
| 06:32.23 | lgbr | OTP Calculator |
| 06:32.54 | tarelerulz | What is the otp part ? |
| 06:33.02 | lgbr | One time password |
| 06:33.12 | unix_infidel | calculator? |
| 06:33.36 | umdk1d3 | kinda like a securid fob? |
| 06:34.03 | lgbr | umdk1d3: exactly. Same purpose. Except this isn't time based |
| 06:34.24 | lgbr | you have a machine equipped with s/key and this will generate the password needed to login |
| 06:34.35 | tarelerulz | Security is good . I have talked to hackers talk about hacking into phone with blue tooth . So Security |
| 06:34.38 | umdk1d3 | ah cool |
| 06:35.08 | lgbr | much cheaper alternative to SecurID if you don't could the cost of your G1 ;) |
| 06:35.15 | lgbr | *don't count |
| 06:35.15 | Gary|tp | hahaha |
| 06:35.28 | Gary|tp | I proved some mod wrong/stupid on hofo |
| 06:35.37 | Gary|tp | and they moved the topic to mod/admins only |
| 06:35.59 | Gary|tp | I used to think HoFo was nice, but the site seems like shit to me |
| 06:36.04 | Gary|tp | *to me now |
| 06:36.04 | marix | lgbr, they weren't too harsh on you |
| 06:36.31 | marix | looks like you just need some debugging |
| 06:36.50 | umdk1d3 | altho ppl paranoid enough to use something like securid are prolly paranoid of the g1 having wifi/cell :/ |
| 06:38.59 | Gary|tp | tarelerulz: how would you do that without the g1 pairing/letting it connect |
| 06:39.56 | spikebike | lgr barada or something else? |
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| 06:41.35 | meoblast001 | is the G1 faster than 1.7 GHz |
| 06:41.39 | Gary|tp | umdk1d3: what. |
| 06:41.45 | DarkriftX | LOL |
| 06:41.57 | meoblast001 | cuz my computer is uber slow at shutting down the emu |
| 06:42.02 | Gary|tp | meoblast001: 1.7 GHz, what CPU type? x86? Fuck no. G1 is a 500ish ARM CPU |
| 06:42.04 | meoblast001 | and its 1.7 GHz |
| 06:42.11 | marix_g1 | maybe if it was in a high end paint shaker |
| 06:42.19 | d03boy | are you aware that your computer is doing a lot more than simply running the emu? |
| 06:42.23 | meoblast001 | i know |
| 06:42.29 | meoblast001 | its running Linux Kernel 2.6 |
| 06:42.30 | meoblast001 | Init |
| 06:42.33 | meoblast001 | X11 |
| 06:42.34 | meoblast001 | Gnome |
| 06:42.38 | meoblast001 | do i need to continue |
| 06:42.41 | tarelerulz | Gary|tp , I don't know how you would use bluetooth to hack the phone ,but I am just saying security is something to think about. |
| 06:43.09 | meoblast001 | i want a g1 |
| 06:43.12 | Gary|tp | umdk1d3: securid and the likes make keylogging/password stealing next to impossible. It is not simply paranoia, some people have hundreds of thousands invested that they don't feel like losing. |
| 06:43.24 | meoblast001 | but we dont always get what we want |
| 06:43.26 | marix_g1 | tarelerulz, at this point in time i would disagree |
| 06:44.05 | marix_g1 | but if we try some times we just might fine |
| 06:44.11 | Gary|tp | The only thing you have to worry about with securid is it getting stolen, or some connection/dns poisoning. |
| 06:44.14 | marix_g1 | wwe get what we neeeeeed |
| 06:44.23 | spikebike | gary or man in the middle |
| 06:44.25 | Gary|tp | Connection jacking is pretty hard to pull off, regardless. |
| 06:44.32 | Gary|tp | well, yeah |
| 06:44.41 | Gary|tp | by DNS poisoning I meant man in the middle |
| 06:44.42 | spikebike | I want to do something similar |
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| 06:45.04 | spikebike | I want to have the pam module/openid server challenge my phone via xmpp |
| 06:45.12 | Gary|tp | I wrote a very long post about blizzcon, and how someone could steal thousands of accounts of people logging on at it (warcraft) |
| 06:45.16 | Gary|tp | through session jacking |
| 06:45.17 | spikebike | and have the phone accept/deny and prove the ownership of a private key |
| 06:45.29 | meoblast001 | night everyone |
| 06:45.31 | meoblast001 | im going to bed |
| 06:45.38 | marix_g1 | night |
| 06:46.02 | tarelerulz | What audio formats does the g1 support ? |
| 06:46.08 | spikebike | ogg |
| 06:46.50 | marix_g1 | i wrote a little app that looked like an everquest login and had it email me the keystrokes, then released it as a trainer on kazaa, had tons of users account info |
| 06:47.02 | marix_g1 | tohse were the days |
| 06:47.09 | Gary|tp | anyway, back to the whole HoFo butthurt mod |
| 06:47.19 | Gary|tp | other than xda, what are some good phone sites :p |
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| 06:47.46 | marix_g1 | android guys for generic news |
| 06:47.52 | Gary|tp | marix_g1: those will get you shitty accounts with low levels and no gold |
| 06:48.14 | marix_g1 | youd be suprised |
| 06:48.17 | Gary|tp | Session jacking would be almost impossible to prevent (from the end user point of view) |
| 06:48.20 | grey- | sadface: http://gizmodo.com/5099004/cnbc-zune-phone-is-real-codenamed-pink |
| 06:48.47 | Leeds | I did see a full list of codecs somewhere... which did include the wma codecs which are on the G1 but not part of the open source android |
| 06:49.27 | Lieutenant | whats the difference between WEP and WPA? |
| 06:49.37 | tarelerulz | The reason I ask about audio is I heard that aac or ac3 is better then mp3 by ways. heard that vorbis is better then mp3 ,but high bit rates. if it can support aac or ac3 Then I would see about putting that on it. If I could get more songs and still be good quality then I am there. |
| 06:50.12 | Gary|tp | Lieutenant: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=wep+vs+wpa |
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| 06:50.23 | Leeds | tarelerulz: yes, there is ogg vorbis, aac and mp3 |
| 06:51.43 | RyeBrye | A zunephone would be an epic fail |
| 06:51.43 | marix_g1 | bed time |
| 06:51.51 | marix_g1 | cu l8r |
| 06:51.51 | Lieutenant | LOL gary thats so badass! |
| 06:52.21 | RyeBrye | not only would MS have to convince consumers to buy that - they'd have to convince a carrier that consumes would buy it - and carriers are not quite that stupid |
| 06:52.43 | Leeds | how about Zune.exe for winmob? |
| 06:52.55 | marix_g1 | gary, that link works on android |
| 06:52.58 | RyeBrye | leeds - your g1 working? |
| 06:53.12 | grey- | marix_g1: using an irc client for android? |
| 06:53.14 | marix_g1 | moving cursor and everything |
| 06:53.17 | grey- | marix_g1: is one on the marketplace now? |
| 06:53.20 | Leeds | RyeBrye: 'tis today :-) |
| 06:53.21 | marix_g1 | yea |
| 06:53.26 | tarelerulz | Thanks, leeds, I really want to try some new stuff out and most media player don't push anything to the next level. I could see g1 say have video play that support some cool feature like muli audio ect . If it can be done then I am doing it. I would love to show off watching an anime on my g1 . |
| 06:53.28 | marix_g1 | nope |
| 06:53.29 | RyeBrye | IRC in market? |
| 06:53.43 | RyeBrye | infobot neocore |
| 06:53.44 | infobot | [neocore] a cool demo by Qualcomm that cheats by using native code |
| 06:53.45 | marix_g1 | using mibbit |
| 06:53.51 | grey- | ah |
| 06:53.52 | grey- | kk. |
| 06:53.57 | romainguy__ | tarelerulz: you can watch videos on the G1 |
| 06:54.06 | RyeBrye | infobot romainguy |
| 06:54.09 | DarkriftX | g1 supports xvid right? |
| 06:54.16 | romainguy__ | hmm I don't know |
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| 06:54.31 | romainguy__ | I've seen h264 |
| 06:54.37 | romainguy__ | I don't know what else it supports |
| 06:55.17 | Leeds | tarelerulz: there are two separate things... the android platform has codec and container support, and applications have cool-stuff support. For example, android supports mp3, so it's relatively easy to write an mp3 player... it doesn't support mkv, so writing something which plays mkv videos will be hard |
| 06:55.17 | RyeBrye | infobot romainguy is a ninja coder who works for Google on Android |
| 06:55.18 | infobot | okay, RyeBrye |
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| 06:55.27 | Leeds | ibot RyeBrye |
| 06:55.35 | theCarpenter | is it possible to charge $$$ for apps yet |
| 06:55.40 | romainguy__ | not yet |
| 06:55.43 | theCarpenter | okay |
| 06:55.47 | RyeBrye | Leeds - you have to give his fulll name :) |
| 06:55.47 | theCarpenter | any idea of a timeline for it? |
| 06:55.48 | Leeds | expected in Q1? |
| 06:55.48 | romainguy__ | we're working on it :) |
| 06:55.50 | RyeBrye | infobot RyeBrye |
| 06:55.50 | infobot | hmm... ryebrye is messing with my head man, he's messin with my head! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
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| 06:55.59 | theCarpenter | infobot: theCarpenter |
| 06:56.03 | Leeds | RyeBrye: ah, he's ibot on other channels where I've known him for years |
| 06:56.05 | RyeBrye | infobot no RyeBrye is the ruler of the universe |
| 06:56.06 | infobot | RyeBrye: okay |
| 06:56.14 | RyeBrye | infobot RyeBrye |
| 06:56.15 | infobot | [ryebrye] the ruler of the universe |
| 06:56.43 | Leeds | romainguy__: if you can say... is the market payment stuff likely to screw those of us who, ahem, might not be using their phones on a t-mobile contract? |
| 06:56.52 | Leeds | infobot: tell RyeBrye about Leeds |
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| 06:56.58 | marix_g1 | does the g1 have a ctrl v equivilant? |
| 06:56.59 | romainguy__ | Leeds: why would it screw you? |
| 06:57.11 | Leeds | romainguy__: depending on how the billing is done... |
| 06:57.15 | tarelerulz | Leeds, I know mkv support is wishful thinking . I read that mp4 can support muli audio and does subtitles from what I hear. I can see some anime action right there |
| 06:57.24 | romainguy__ | Leeds: define "screw" :) |
| 06:57.25 | grey- | marix_g1: click on the ball for control |
| 06:57.29 | RyeBrye | infobot tell Leeds about your mother |
| 06:57.36 | grey- | marix_g1: at least, in connectbot and such. |
| 06:57.40 | Leeds | romainguy__: 'make it impossible to pay for stuff' |
| 06:57.48 | romainguy__ | ah |
| 06:57.49 | romainguy__ | no idea |
| 06:57.55 | romainguy__ | ask T-Mobile :) |
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| 06:58.15 | Leeds | hmm... that somewhat answers the question ;) |
| 06:58.26 | romainguy__ | no it doesn't |
| 06:58.29 | romainguy__ | I really have no idea |
| 06:58.30 | Gary|tp | neocore uses native code? |
| 06:58.37 | Gary|tp | I thought that was too good to be running in davlik |
| 06:58.39 | RyeBrye | andyross said it does |
| 06:58.48 | romainguy__ | neocore uses native code |
| 06:58.49 | RyeBrye | someone else did earlier |
| 06:58.59 | romainguy__ | but it's hw accelerated OpenGL |
| 06:59.08 | romainguy__ | so a Java version could certainly do the same |
| 06:59.09 | Leeds | romainguy__: if I have to ask t-mobile, the answer is probably "yes, it will screw us", at least partially |
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| 06:59.25 | marix_g12 | crashed the browser lol |
| 06:59.31 | romainguy__ | Leeds: why? I'm saying this because if such a decision is made, I believe it would come from T-Mobile |
| 06:59.39 | romainguy__ | I can't speak for them |
| 06:59.44 | romainguy__ | therefore you would have to ask them |
| 07:00.33 | marix_g12 | ok bed time 4 reals later |
| 07:00.35 | Leeds | romainguy__: point is that Apple handle the billing for the iphone... nothing to do with the carrier... if the billing for the market is anything to do with t-mobile at all, it could well cause problems |
| 07:00.53 | romainguy__ | my answer remains the same: I have no idea |
| 07:01.02 | romainguy__ | and to know if the carrier is involved well, ask the carrier |
| 07:01.19 | romainguy__ | I doubt they will be involved in the billing though |
| 07:01.31 | romainguy__ | that would make Market hard to use with other carriers |
| 07:01.38 | romainguy__ | but again, I have no idea :) |
| 07:01.38 | marix_g12 | tmo gets 30% so they are involved somewhere |
| 07:01.52 | RyeBrye | tmo gets 30%? I though Google got 30% |
| 07:01.58 | romainguy__ | Google gets nothing |
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| 07:02.07 | marix_g12 | google gets nothing |
| 07:02.09 | Leeds | it could be done on a carrier-by-carrier basis... anyway, I guess we'll wait and see |
| 07:02.25 | RyeBrye | Google gets nothing? |
| 07:02.28 | RyeBrye | That's too bad |
| 07:02.30 | romainguy__ | Google gets nothing |
| 07:02.31 | marix_g12 | thats why balmer said it ahs no revinue model |
| 07:02.37 | Leeds | eh, Google has plenty already :-) |
| 07:02.37 | romainguy__ | RyeBrye: more money for the developers :) |
| 07:02.41 | RyeBrye | I'd much rather Google get 30% than the carriers get something |
| 07:02.58 | DarkriftX | carriers get money from the market? |
| 07:02.59 | DarkriftX | wtf |
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| 07:03.15 | Leeds | and that's my point again... if t-mob are getting 30%, it means that people who don't have t-mob accounts aren't likely to be able to shop in the market |
| 07:03.27 | Gary|tp | yeah |
| 07:03.30 | romainguy__ | Leeds: that's quite a logical leap |
| 07:03.32 | RyeBrye | The I wouldn't feel as compelled to spend a full workday each month doing nothing but clicking on ads on google searches to help pay for romainguy's salary ;) |
| 07:03.36 | Gary|tp | no way t-mobiles going to be involved |
| 07:03.37 | DarkriftX | i thought 100% of the market sales went to developers |
| 07:03.38 | marix_g12 | yea, for data and cost of transaction handling |
| 07:03.42 | DarkriftX | thats what ive red all along |
| 07:03.42 | Gary|tp | especially after android is on all the major carriers |
| 07:03.52 | Leeds | romainguy__: I don't think so |
| 07:03.52 | Gary|tp | I'd think so too, DarkriftX |
| 07:04.01 | DarkriftX | if not, fuck the market |
| 07:04.01 | Gary|tp | I doubt that Google or T-M is going to profit off market sales |
| 07:04.08 | DarkriftX | the devs should get it all |
| 07:04.13 | Gary|tp | indeed |
| 07:04.16 | romainguy__ | Leeds: let's face it, you have no idea what you're talking about either :) |
| 07:04.17 | RyeBrye | http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-market-now-available-for-users.html |
| 07:04.18 | DarkriftX | that makes them work harder and make better shit |
| 07:04.30 | DarkriftX | which in turn makes android better, which makes the carriers sell more phones |
| 07:04.32 | Leeds | DarkriftX: and where does funding for the bandwidth, support, billing, etc. come from? |
| 07:04.41 | DarkriftX | if they are so greedy they take a chunk, screw them |
| 07:04.45 | DarkriftX | read my prev sentance |
| 07:05.02 | Leeds | put your app on your own website, do your own billing, collect 100% of the price |
| 07:05.06 | RyeBrye | So does that $25 setup fee go to the carriers as well? |
| 07:05.07 | DarkriftX | bandwidth, support, billing (which most carriers do shitty as it is) are paid for by your service |
| 07:05.22 | romainguy__ | Leeds: and then lose 30% paying for the bandwitdth, storage, billing, etc. :)) |
| 07:05.29 | Leeds | romainguy__: oh, absolutely |
| 07:05.43 | DarkriftX | i need to find a setup to accept payment on my site |
| 07:05.51 | DarkriftX | ill let developers sell their shit on there for free |
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| 07:06.13 | romainguy__ | DarkriftX: and you're most welcome to do so |
| 07:06.21 | RyeBrye | for billing you could use google checkout, and if the bandwidth for your moible app cost you a noticeable amount of money you are doing something wrong |
| 07:06.24 | Leeds | but if the official statement from Google is that "Developers will get 70% of the revenue from each purchase; the remaining amount goes to carriers and billing settlement fees—Google does not take a percentage" |
| 07:06.26 | DarkriftX | i pay $8/mo for hosting, and even with all the OTA updates and other shit, i use less then 0.5% of my hosting bw |
| 07:06.46 | Leeds | DarkriftX: and you're going to absorb the c/c costs? overhead for refunds and refused payments? |
| 07:07.00 | DarkriftX | so its not a lot for the hosting |
| 07:07.11 | tarelerulz | Can you still get the app that make ringtons out of your sound files /songs . So you could say up part of song and make that you ring tone. |
| 07:07.33 | DarkriftX | no Leeds those would come from the devs as price for using a free service |
| 07:07.48 | Leeds | erm... |
| 07:07.59 | Leeds | "price for using a free service" :-) |
| 07:08.02 | DarkriftX | someone buys your software and refunds it, its your fault, not mine |
| 07:08.16 | DarkriftX | that probably wouldnt equal 30% though |
| 07:08.41 | DarkriftX | i doubt the market would pay a developer for a refused payment on an app |
| 07:08.48 | DarkriftX | so they are taking the 30% plus that |
| 07:09.01 | RyeBrye | Doesn't the market have some kind of 7-day return policy built into it? |
| 07:09.12 | Leeds | but if the refusal comes after the app has been delivered? |
| 07:09.32 | DarkriftX | you are reading too much into that |
| 07:09.54 | DarkriftX | i doubt the market would deposit money to the developer after EACH transaction |
| 07:09.58 | DarkriftX | more likely each month |
| 07:10.09 | Leeds | unless you have a kill switch, the fraudulant user keeps the app, the developer has to give back most of the money |
| 07:10.13 | DarkriftX | in which time the past months refused payments or refunds would be removed |
| 07:10.29 | DarkriftX | fraudulent users get banned |
| 07:10.45 | DarkriftX | i didnt say i would have asshole filters or piracy proof system |
| 07:10.52 | Leeds | and immediately rejoin under a different name |
| 07:11.03 | Nafai | COnnectBot is really nice |
| 07:11.05 | DarkriftX | im talking user pays $10, cc fee is removed, dev gets 100% of the remaining amount |
| 07:11.16 | Leeds | point is, it's not as simple as $8 hosting and google checkout |
| 07:11.18 | DarkriftX | Leeds: cc needs address/name |
| 07:11.34 | Gary|tp | bandwidth is lol |
| 07:11.45 | Leeds | DarkriftX: not until you process a transaction, and that's when you find they are using a stolen card |
| 07:11.55 | RyeBrye | it's a trap! |
| 07:12.02 | RyeBrye | infobot stolen credit card |
| 07:12.12 | DarkriftX | i think leeds wants to pay the developers 30% for all developers! |
| 07:12.27 | Gary|tp | Total Bandwidth Provided: 5800 GB ($0.1/GB over) |
| 07:12.28 | Gary|tp | Total Used So Far: 12.058 GB |
| 07:12.29 | DarkriftX | and yes, i know my way around payment gateways, ecommerce sites and so on |
| 07:12.37 | RyeBrye | infobot a stolen credit card is how Leeds pays for all his android programs on DarkriftX's hypothetical site |
| 07:12.37 | infobot | RyeBrye: okay |
| 07:12.46 | Leeds | hey, I want to give apps away and take donations, mainly |
| 07:12.51 | DarkriftX | Gary13579: i have 1.5tb bw, and im at 0.5% (last day of billing cycle) |
| 07:13.01 | Gary|tp | host? |
| 07:13.07 | DarkriftX | hehe |
| 07:13.09 | RyeBrye | DarkriftX - aren't you on a sweetheart deal since you work there? |
| 07:13.25 | Gary|tp | and I have nearly 6 tb |
| 07:13.26 | Gary|tp | so there |
| 07:13.27 | DarkriftX | no RyeBrye i pay normal prices unless i know a code (which i do) |
| 07:13.44 | DarkriftX | ahh, 5800gb, i thought you said mb :S |
| 07:13.50 | Gary|tp | lol |
| 07:13.55 | DarkriftX | thats not bad |
| 07:13.55 | Gary|tp | I'll never hit it |
| 07:14.02 | DarkriftX | thats what most dedicated servers have lol |
| 07:14.07 | DarkriftX | 2-5tb |
| 07:14.16 | Leeds | not that I've actually written any android code yet, but my plan would be to sell stuff on the market for a nominal charge ($1-$2 or so), give it away on my personal site, and let people make donations if they want to... unlikely to threaten my day job |
| 07:14.34 | DarkriftX | id like to see most apps on market sell for $2 or so |
| 07:14.46 | DarkriftX | i think they would make more with volume than they would selling higher and getting less users |
| 07:14.56 | Leeds | $999 - I am Rich! |
| 07:15.07 | DarkriftX | id buy $2 apps all day long but $10+ id prob think really hard about |
| 07:15.18 | romainguy__ | http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2008/11/15/how-to-price-your-iphone-app-out-of-existence/ |
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| 07:17.14 | DarkriftX | id hope most android developers arent living on their android earnings |
| 07:17.20 | Leeds | romainguy__: and without having read the whole page yet... surely the solution is to have 10 apps going for $1 each, releasing 1 per month? |
| 07:18.12 | Leeds | if you can't generate a $1 app in a month, you're doing something wrong |
| 07:18.21 | Gary|tp | if you make a killer app you probably could, DarkriftX |
| 07:18.47 | DarkriftX | yes |
| 07:18.57 | DarkriftX | but you should never quit your day job in expectation of that |
| 07:19.18 | Gary|tp | well yes, but if you keep it well maintained |
| 07:19.22 | RyeBrye | no, the solution is to make an app that gets the fine location from a user, and asks for full internet access - and make the app focus on inventorying rare and expensive jewelery |
| 07:19.27 | Gary|tp | and no one makes a better app etc |
| 07:19.29 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 07:20.27 | RyeBrye | I don't think I've downloaded a single app from the market yet that I would consider worth paying for |
| 07:20.40 | romainguy__ | Leeds: yes but then you have 10 apps to support and maintain :)) |
| 07:20.41 | RyeBrye | I have downloaded a LOT of apps from the market |
| 07:20.57 | romainguy__ | RyeBrye: maybe because the apps worth paying for are not on the market since you can't pay for them? :) |
| 07:21.17 | Leeds | RyeBrye: there are at least a couple I'd chip in $1 or $2 for - particularly in expectation of future improvement |
| 07:21.26 | RyeBrye | romainguy - no, some of the apps have sneeky subscription models baked in (case in point: gas bot thinks it is worth $7 a year) |
| 07:21.48 | romainguy__ | RyeBrye: I haven't tried any of these yet |
| 07:24.13 | DarkriftX | i havent seen many apps from the market, but from what ive seen, there are 3 id consider paying for (if i had to, im poor so i dont donate a lot lol) |
| 07:24.14 | Gary|tp | FireWallet is nice |
| 07:24.20 | Gary|tp | no way it's worth money |
| 07:24.30 | Gary|tp | which would those be |
| 07:24.54 | DarkriftX | connectbot, that pinpoint (if it worked as i had originally heard, ive since heard there were problems with it) and that one navigation software whatshisname wrote (the screenshots looked great) |
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| 07:25.12 | DarkriftX | but as i said, wife spends all my cash, so id use it sparingly and not be paying $30/app |
| 07:25.34 | Leeds | I'd pay for connectbot... I'd pay for Trap, if they fixed a few of the bugs... |
| 07:25.47 | DarkriftX | now the other side of that is |
| 07:25.59 | DarkriftX | id pay $2-$5 for connectbot, but i wouldnt pay $10+ |
| 07:26.06 | Gary|tp | Trap? |
| 07:26.07 | DarkriftX | because i wouldnt use it enough to justify that |
| 07:26.29 | DarkriftX | even though from what ive seen, its a great ssh client, that doesnt mean it will be worth it to me |
| 07:26.41 | DarkriftX | the big thing is how often a user will use your app |
| 07:26.50 | grey- | trap? |
| 07:26.53 | grey- | wait |
| 07:26.58 | grey- | someone is going to charge for connectbot? |
| 07:27.00 | grey- | wtfx? |
| 07:27.07 | DarkriftX | if its a gps app, it might be worth more because it would get used all the time, vs a tip calculator, once a week or so |
| 07:27.14 | DarkriftX | grey-: it was an example |
| 07:27.43 | DarkriftX | of apps i WOULD pay for |
| 07:27.43 | grey- | fuck that, if that happens I'll just put debian userland and apt-get install openssh |
| 07:27.43 | grey- | haha |
| 07:27.43 | grey- | good point |
| 07:27.43 | Gary|tp | DarkriftX: a good finance app would be every day |
| 07:27.43 | grey- | most of the apps in the marketplace are utter trash |
| 07:27.44 | grey- | calculator 200000001321 |
| 07:27.53 | DarkriftX | my point was there are probably 15 different ssh clients, but they are always making new versions, so their would probably be the best one to pay for |
| 07:27.54 | Leeds | Gary|tp: a bouncing-balls arcade game |
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| 07:28.19 | romainguy__ | grey-: you're welcome to make better ones :) |
| 07:28.24 | grey- | connectbot is great. |
| 07:28.24 | DarkriftX | free apps dont make long term developers |
| 07:28.27 | grey- | being free is also great. |
| 07:28.34 | DarkriftX | but neither do excessivly overpriced ones |
| 07:28.36 | grey- | other people are welcome to make otehrs |
| 07:28.43 | grey- | but I wouldn't pay for 'em. ;) |
| 07:28.57 | romainguy__ | why would you not pay for a good app that you find useful? |
| 07:29.04 | Leeds | one thing which I haven't seen yet - and I wonder why not - is all the 'classic' games... tetris, arkenoid, even things like space invaders |
| 07:29.08 | Leeds | duck hunt? |
| 07:29.19 | DarkriftX | Leeds: most of those were outbefore the g1 was |
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| 07:29.22 | romainguy__ | I want The Incredible Machine on G1 :)) |
| 07:29.33 | DarkriftX | tetris and space invaders anyways, not sure about arkanoid |
| 07:29.36 | Leeds | romainguy__: there will be an interesting competition between non-free/good and free/good-enough |
| 07:29.39 | Leeds | DarkriftX: where? |
| 07:29.45 | Nafai | is there anything preventing me from releasing my app for download for free / open source on my own website, but also putting it in android market for a price for those people who wish to donate? |
| 07:29.53 | DarkriftX | has arkanoid 2: revenge of doh (with dosbox) on his linux laptop |
| 07:29.54 | tarelerulz | You guys all about about the app not being worth money. What are some app that would make runner up for iphone in the market |
| 07:29.55 | romainguy__ | Leeds: apparently there's an invaders on Market :) |
| 07:30.08 | romainguy__ | Nafai: you can do that if you wish |
| 07:30.15 | romainguy__ | (check the agreement though) |
| 07:30.16 | DarkriftX | Leeds: i had them for download on my site before the market was open |
| 07:30.20 | Nafai | romainguy__: Thanks. |
| 07:30.22 | DarkriftX | im assuming newer versions are on the market |
| 07:30.28 | DarkriftX | look for monolith (tetris clone) |
| 07:30.36 | Leeds | oh, and for the record... I do wonder why I can't download pacman... if it's a non-t-mob or non-US issue |
| 07:30.37 | DarkriftX | might have been called monolithandroid |
| 07:30.39 | Nafai | I'm going to be working on Android apps soon, I think :) |
| 07:31.07 | romainguy__ | I should seriously finish mine ^^ |
| 07:31.25 | DarkriftX | is afk: smoking |
| 07:31.36 | Nafai | romainguy__: So what do you think about Android vs swing, since you are obviously an expert at both? :) |
| 07:32.10 | romainguy__ | Nafai: Swing is harder but a lot more flexible |
| 07:32.21 | romainguy__ | Nafai: and Android has simpler and sometimes much more powerful APIs |
| 07:32.34 | romainguy__ | SGL and Java 2D are pretty much on par |
| 07:32.49 | romainguy__ | (the C++ version of SGL actually has some very interesting features not exposed at the Java layer) |
| 07:32.50 | Nafai | I like simpler. I've done my fair share of swing component development and that wasn't always fun |
| 07:33.01 | romainguy__ | it never bothered me |
| 07:33.18 | romainguy__ | but for instance writing a layout in Android is, imo, a little more complex than in Swing |
| 07:33.21 | Leeds | arsebiscuits... just accidentally installed r30! |
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| 07:35.33 | Leeds | there goes my root :-( |
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| 07:38.22 | SystemWizard | isn't there a hacked R30 somewhere? |
| 07:38.34 | DarkriftX | android-dls.com/wiki |
| 07:38.37 | DarkriftX | its there |
| 07:38.51 | DarkriftX | look for keeping root |
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| 07:39.13 | Neverender | DarkriftX: theres a tetris clone called tetroid in the market |
| 07:39.20 | DarkriftX | nice |
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| 07:39.31 | Leeds | hence my mild swearing at accidentally installing the official r30 |
| 07:39.46 | Neverender | havent seen monolith |
| 07:40.38 | DarkriftX | that sucks |
| 07:40.43 | DarkriftX | i thought he was asking where to find it |
| 07:43.05 | Lieutenant | who here has sbc yahoo dsl? |
| 07:43.14 | Leeds | it flashed up the dialog while I was doing something else - okay, playing invaders - and I pressed the ball in before I noticed the dialog |
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| 08:19.55 | JJ|Laptop | lol Leeds |
| 08:26.11 | JJ|Laptop | Leeds: you could say "you where invaded by invaders" |
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| 09:09.04 | JJ|Laptop | i really hope that i can get android to work a bit better on my touch vogue, since for some reason the internet tandomly drops and the camera won;t work for me |
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| 12:05.30 | vijay | hi i have a doubt ........ on what android run on ??........ does it require x11? .... |
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| 12:27.10 | mikey| | well, finally got around to ordering the g1 |
| 12:27.43 | mikey| | and one of my bro/sis has managed to infect my desktop pc with a virus :/ |
| 12:29.39 | Versed | picked one up last night. |
| 12:35.39 | Dialekt | :( |
| 12:38.47 | ttuttle | mikey|: you don't run... *gasp* ...Windows, do you?! |
| 12:39.08 | mikey| | the phone comes with 8gb sd card, i've barely managed to use 100mb of my current 2gb sd card on my phone |
| 12:39.35 | mikey| | ttuttle: *shock* *gasp* *horror* ye i do |
| 12:39.41 | ttuttle | mikey|: :( |
| 12:39.48 | mikey| | lol |
| 12:40.22 | tauno | ttuttle, the problem is not windows - it's the missing antivirus thingie :) |
| 12:40.27 | mikey| | it's probably my older brother's fault, he downloads anything |
| 12:40.32 | ttuttle | tauno: ah |
| 12:40.38 | mikey| | i have an av, dunno how it missed it |
| 12:40.51 | mikey| | the firewall prompt for exp1orer.exe gave it away |
| 12:41.03 | tauno | :D |
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| 12:45.36 | Dialekt | screw everything |
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| 12:48.42 | blau | hi guys |
| 12:49.14 | blau | i think i figured out my issue from yesterday grrr |
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| 12:49.34 | ttuttle | blau: oh? |
| 12:50.14 | blau | i had a problem where an urlconnection was apparently getting old data |
| 12:50.32 | blau | setusecaches(false) seems like itll fix it |
| 12:50.58 | ttuttle | blau: perhaps check the cache headers to make sure the server is sending them properly? |
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| 12:53.05 | blau | good plan |
| 12:53.09 | blau | i was befuddled yesterday |
| 12:53.24 | blau | although refreshing in the browser seemed to work |
| 12:53.25 | blau | lol |
| 12:53.37 | blau | that seems like coincidence though |
| 12:55.10 | blau | im using hardcoded user id and passwd to test my google bookmark stuff |
| 12:55.19 | mikey| | hows the battery life holding for people using the g1? |
| 12:55.25 | blau | what are the chances i forget to take it out before uploading my stuff to the market lol |
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| 13:01.09 | ttuttle | blau: Less if you put a huge TextView that says "TAKE OUT HARDCODED USERNAME AND PASSWORD BEFORE SHIP" on the main screen. |
| 13:04.51 | blau | the market makes me giggle |
| 13:05.10 | blau | i feel like every day the "top 3" reviews for my app alternate between positive and negative |
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| 13:08.12 | blau | unknown socket error -1 |
| 13:08.13 | blau | mmm |
| 13:08.41 | blau | permission in the wrong manifest lol |
| 13:09.53 | Versed | blau where in NJ? |
| 13:10.40 | blau | live in north plainfield, work in eatontown |
| 13:14.31 | Versed | toms river here |
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| 13:15.50 | blau | anyone know how to do an urlconnection to an https with android? |
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| 13:16.56 | blau | 11-26 08:16:43.032: DEBUG/BOOKMARKS*******(650): ERRORHostname <www.google.com> was not verified |
| 13:19.34 | Death_Syn | i need to learn enough java to build a picasa uploader |
| 13:19.50 | Death_Syn | i hate having to plug my phone in to put photos on my album |
| 13:20.00 | blau | i was considering making a camera app that auto uploads to various sites |
| 13:20.09 | blau | but the camera on the g1 is ass, so that killed my motivation |
| 13:21.12 | Death_Syn | its a bit slow, but best camera i've had on a phone |
| 13:21.35 | blau | the slowness is what kills it for me |
| 13:21.38 | Death_Syn | and it'd be nice to be able to plug my microsds from my nice camera into it to upload |
| 13:22.00 | blau | death: start learning :) |
| 13:22.03 | blau | ill help you set up the sdk |
| 13:22.13 | Death_Syn | eh, i've got the sdk itself up |
| 13:22.13 | ttuttle | smiles in a very confidential way. |
| 13:22.24 | Death_Syn | just haven't had time to sit down and beat on it |
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| 13:22.29 | Death_Syn | this weekend may be good for it |
| 13:23.01 | blau | use my idea to auto upload from a custom camera app |
| 13:23.19 | blau | and be sure to add a touch the screen to take a picture, and a delay mode for after you hit the "shutter" button |
| 13:23.23 | blau | :) |
| 13:23.51 | Death_Syn | sounds like a good idea to evolve into |
| 13:24.06 | Death_Syn | right now i just want to be able to push pictures to picasa/flickr/whatever |
| 13:24.26 | Death_Syn | at least I can put stuff in my gmail/email/mms |
| 13:24.33 | Death_Syn | but hell, my old treo could do that |
| 13:24.42 | Death_Syn | oh, i think i can even shove stuff on myspace alrady |
| 13:24.44 | Death_Syn | er alrady |
| 13:24.53 | Death_Syn | already, too |
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| 13:28.43 | blau | grrr |
| 13:28.53 | blau | im getting a file not found exception from an urlconnection |
| 13:33.23 | blau | :( |
| 13:37.05 | blau | oh nevermind its cause google doesnt like me |
| 13:37.11 | blau | and java has a dumb exception |
| 13:37.59 | blau | sweet got it working! |
| 13:39.56 | fnord | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.56 | fnord | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.57 | fnord | hah |
| 13:40.05 | fnord | i have rogue on my phone now :-O |
| 13:40.50 | blau | lol |
| 13:41.13 | jbq | heh |
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| 13:45.22 | indiabolbol | anybody has latest news on G1 |
| 13:45.55 | marix_g1 | latest g1 news |
| 13:46.17 | marix_g1 | the neocore app is atleast partially native code |
| 13:46.51 | blau | oo |
| 13:46.55 | SanMehat | The SD card slot now takes floppy disks! |
| 13:47.41 | marix_g1 | and canada may succeed from the us! |
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| 13:49.49 | ttuttle | SanMehat: Wow! |
| 13:49.57 | ttuttle | SanMehat: Damn good software developers you've got. |
| 13:50.23 | SanMehat | hey man |
| 13:50.29 | ttuttle | SanMehat: How's it going? |
| 13:50.39 | indiabolbol1 | glad to see u excited.. |
| 13:50.42 | SanMehat | crappy.. its 5:50 and i'm awake |
| 13:50.54 | ttuttle | SanMehat: Still awake, or just woke up? |
| 13:51.30 | jbq | is in the "just woke up" category. |
| 13:51.30 | SanMehat | I caught some australlian flu from pelly |
| 13:51.37 | SanMehat | so i havent really slept yet |
| 13:51.48 | ttuttle | SanMehat: :( |
| 13:52.00 | SanMehat | yo jbq |
| 13:52.05 | jbq | hey |
| 13:52.13 | jbq | stay away from me! ;-) |
| 13:52.15 | SanMehat | if you see pelly today beat him for me |
| 13:52.28 | jbq | I'll stay away from him |
| 13:52.35 | ttuttle | thinks we need to quarantine SanMehat, or he'll infect the whole channel. :P |
| 13:52.38 | ttuttle | brb |
| 13:54.33 | eugene | sneezes |
| 13:54.55 | SanMehat | very funny |
| 13:54.59 | eugene | hehe |
| 13:55.36 | marix_g1 | craves human flesh |
| 13:56.00 | SanMehat | uh |
| 13:56.03 | SanMehat | backs away |
| 13:56.39 | d0netsFN | so if marix_g1 was ddos'd right now |
| 13:56.49 | d0netsFN | would it take down everyone on his tower or somethin? |
| 13:58.24 | blau | no api for google bookmarks grr |
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| 13:59.40 | d0netsFN | not that i even know ho |
| 13:59.42 | d0netsFN | w |
| 13:59.43 | SanMehat | no |
| 14:00.32 | d0netsFN | i kinda wanna try it |
| 14:00.56 | SanMehat | uhm.. kay |
| 14:01.00 | d0netsFN | not on him |
| 14:01.07 | SanMehat | try it on yourself |
| 14:01.33 | d0netsFN | but i might get a buddy to try to take me down , and see if another friends phone goes down too |
| 14:01.53 | SanMehat | good stuff |
| 14:03.06 | marix_g1 | youd have to take down the mibbit server |
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| 14:03.29 | marix_g1 | as i dont think im direct connected to the irc room |
| 14:05.44 | marix_g1 | is their an option to disable screen lock when plugged in to ac power? |
| 14:06.30 | jbq | there's an option to disable the screen lock entirely, it isn't any less safe :) |
| 14:08.33 | blau | jbq: really? |
| 14:08.35 | marix_g1 | safety pssh |
| 14:08.40 | blau | ive been looking for that |
| 14:08.58 | Versed | I have a question, how did the g1 know my phone contacts? |
| 14:09.11 | SanMehat | Versed: magic |
| 14:09.17 | Versed | when I synced, it put them on the phone. I didn't have them anyware |
| 14:09.18 | blount | it uses FM |
| 14:09.23 | jbq | blau: I think it's in the security-and-lcation settings menu (or whatever it's called) |
| 14:09.24 | Versed | seems so san |
| 14:09.35 | SanMehat | Versed: it comes from your google mail contacts |
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| 14:10.24 | Versed | that would be fine, if I had them in there. |
| 14:10.26 | SanMehat | Versed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG7ciSVMChQ |
| 14:11.32 | Versed | I understand the cloud be between google, gmail and the g1. |
| 14:11.48 | blount | does it pull sim contacts off? |
| 14:11.59 | Versed | I never put my att sim in there. |
| 14:12.03 | blount | hasn't put contacts on the sim in years |
| 14:15.24 | blau | 11-26 09:15:00.453: DEBUG/BOOKMARKS***(2822): Content-Type application/x-www-form-urlencoded is not valid. |
| 14:15.24 | blau | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.35 | blau | im not a big http guy |
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| 14:15.52 | d03boy | i'm guessing the url form is invalid |
| 14:16.13 | blau | http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/default/private/full is the url |
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| 14:17.46 | blau | found someone else getting the same error but n o repsonses to them |
| 14:18.16 | Versed | I mean saves me time having to entering them, I just found it odd. |
| 14:18.40 | blau | its something with the content type |
| 14:18.47 | blau | which i can control |
| 14:18.55 | blau | so what content types is google cal looking for |
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| 14:26.36 | blau | 11-26 09:26:23.183: DEBUG/BOOKMARKS***(3344): Content-Type text/plain is not valid. |
| 14:26.36 | blau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:30.18 | blau | i can do a client login, but i cant do anything with the results :( |
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| 14:52.22 | blau | sigh |
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| 14:52.29 | vol_ | sigh! |
| 14:52.44 | vol_ | has anyone tried using gdbserver on device? |
| 14:53.08 | blau | cant figure out what im doing wrong with connecting to google cal |
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| 15:03.32 | blau | sigh tried contacts |
| 15:03.34 | blau | still more errors |
| 15:03.35 | blau | 11-26 10:02:07.972: DEBUG/BOOKMARKS***(4277): ERRORReceived authentication challenge is nulljava.io.IOException: Received authentication challenge is null |
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| 15:09.49 | eldenz | blau, does google bookmark support a folder hierarchie, and what features do you plan to add to the android UI? |
| 15:10.05 | eldenz | s/chie/chy/ |
| 15:13.26 | blau | theres labels |
| 15:13.32 | blau | which are almost like folders |
| 15:13.49 | blau | and what do you man abotu the android UI, in relation to the bookmarks or just the general things i wanted to do |
| 15:14.36 | blau | i didnt think i discussed the ui improvements that were in my head |
| 15:14.36 | eldenz | general... i assume you will provide an interface for android to sync with the bookmarks and display them, open links from there |
| 15:15.06 | blau | it would be a seperate app that would basically be a pretty bookmark manager/launcher |
| 15:15.12 | eldenz | i planned on doing something similar but with opera bookmarks.. |
| 15:15.22 | blau | and would sync with google bookmarks, |
| 15:15.28 | blau | just a basic searchable list would be the ui |
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| 15:16.30 | blau | havent really thought about the ui too much, been focusing on making sure i can get the damn bookmarks |
| 15:16.35 | eldenz | : ) |
| 15:16.45 | blau | but having some problems with googles stuff |
| 15:17.36 | blau | bookmarks get bitching about the content type when i tried to get a list of bookmarks |
| 15:17.51 | blau | btu because its undocumented i decided to try getting calendars instead |
| 15:18.04 | blau | which im having another issue with |
| 15:19.47 | blau | 11-26 10:19:00.993: DEBUG/BOOKMARKS***(4936): ERRORReceived authentication challenge is nulljava.io.IOException: Received authentication challenge is null |
| 15:19.48 | blau | when i try to getinputstream from urlconnection |
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| 15:33.36 | blau | i think im getting token invalid |
| 15:34.17 | blau | at least wheni try with telnet thats what i seem to get |
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| 15:37.20 | tauno | blau, googled for the error msg... http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/harmony/enhanced/classlib/trunk/modules/luni/src/main/java/org/apache/harmony/luni/internal/net/www/protocol/http/HttpURLConnection.java?diff_format=s&revision=415701&view=markup&pathrev=415701 -> look for "Received authentication challenge is null" |
| 15:37.34 | tauno | have no idea if that's going to help you :P |
| 15:37.39 | tauno | I guess not |
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| 15:40.10 | blau | nope :( |
| 15:40.49 | tauno | where's the source for java.net.* anyway in git? |
| 15:41.02 | jbq | lemme find that for you |
| 15:41.38 | jbq | http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/dalvik.git;a=tree;f=libcore/luni/src/main/java/java/net;h=1e55c9df85ab1ee9a6ac7f99232a1b3b885143e9;hb=master |
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| 15:42.16 | tauno | thank you, you human searchmachine |
| 15:43.08 | jbq | Well, I've walked a fair bit around the source tree, so I know where to find a thing of two. |
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| 15:43.53 | tauno | was searching there and found x-net but overlooked luni :/ |
| 15:44.59 | IznastY | - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ] |
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| 15:46.09 | tauno | one day, I promise, I'll download the source so I can do a local search for stuff.. |
| 15:46.13 | tauno | (: |
| 15:46.46 | jbq | Yeah, that'd make your life a tiny bit easier for such cases. |
| 15:47.17 | jbq | and *shudder* you might even compile it and run it! |
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| 15:49.28 | tauno | jbq, if only I had time for this.. I would be very happy to fix some small bugs that I have found or add some simple things to.. stuff.. if only I had time to do it :( |
| 15:49.47 | jbq | yeah, I understand. |
| 15:50.06 | blau | i cant seem to make a make a valid request with a clientlogin auth token |
| 15:50.08 | tauno | (ok.. now going trough the source to find, where they use Msg.getString("KA016") :) ) |
| 15:50.51 | andreaf | sorry what is the intent to use to match a single key pressed for "long" time ? |
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| 15:54.59 | tauno | ..found it |
| 15:56.39 | jasta | andreaf: is there such an intent? |
| 15:57.21 | andreaf | jasta: mmm, i good question, I would like to intercept in background a single key pressed (5 on the keyboard) |
| 15:57.54 | andreaf | jasta: and send a call pressing only this key. such a "rapid call" on normal handsets |
| 15:58.20 | jbq | you can't monitor the keyboard while in the background (that'd cause huge security holes) |
| 15:58.38 | jasta | andreaf: this would be a feature for the home screen and dialer app to support directly, not you. |
| 15:58.55 | jasta | you could add it to the dialer app and see if google agrees and add it to the home app as well |
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| 15:59.46 | andreaf | jbp: is a restriction of android ? |
| 15:59.47 | jasta | also, you could just use AnyCut to put a bunch of people on your home screen to dial them easier |
| 16:00.06 | andreaf | jasta: AnyCut ? i'm googling |
| 16:00.21 | jbq | andreaf: yes, by design. Otherwise you could write an app that monitors everything that is typed on the keyboard in other applications (messages, passwords, etc...) |
| 16:00.30 | jasta | it lets you make shortcuts to arbitrary intents, specifically it can get you shortcuts to particular contacts, or even to dial the number immediately |
| 16:00.47 | tauno | jasta, no need for anycut - the home app can handle this itself :) |
| 16:00.58 | jasta | tauno: no it can't. it can only put a contact there. |
| 16:01.14 | blau | you can use dgQuickCut too |
| 16:01.16 | tauno | ..oh that's not what you wanted, sry |
| 16:01.17 | jasta | anycut can put a shortcut to dial a number, which is quite different |
| 16:01.29 | blau | QuickCut requires you to press search+a button though |
| 16:01.59 | andreaf | tauno ? sorry ? I would like a sort of "emergency button" pressing a single key the phone will call a number directly |
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| 16:04.39 | jasta | andreaf: i suggested a home screen icon. thats the best you're going to get :) |
| 16:05.03 | blau | QuickCut allows you to setup quicklaunch shortcuts to calls and text messages |
| 16:05.13 | blau | you hold the search button and press a letter on the keyboard |
| 16:05.17 | andreaf | jasta: ok. and I can put an homescreen icons with normal android SDK ? |
| 16:05.19 | blau | 2 keys |
| 16:05.52 | jbq | andreaf: yes (I think). Any app can publish shortcuts as homescreen icons. |
| 16:06.21 | andreaf | jbq: ok i will check on docs thanks. |
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| 16:07.02 | blau | sigh |
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| 16:08.35 | blau | like half the reviews for QuickCut say anycut can do the same thing |
| 16:08.37 | blau | and it cant |
| 16:08.46 | jasta | andreaf: as i said, AnyCut can do this right now.l |
| 16:08.47 | blau | they dont have a single overlapping function |
| 16:09.34 | KNY | blau, they have an overlapping name ;) |
| 16:10.05 | blau | CUT it out, you know what i mean |
| 16:13.18 | blau | anyone got source for toggling gps? |
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| 16:18.31 | blau | lol |
| 16:18.39 | blau | someone posted the most ridiculous vibrate string for my app |
| 16:18.47 | blau | and i actually checked it out |
| 16:18.50 | blau | its need |
| 16:20.16 | marix_g1 | its need? |
| 16:20.57 | blau | neat! |
| 16:20.58 | blau | lol |
| 16:21.17 | marix_g1 | ah |
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| 16:22.00 | blau | i think the stats are still way off in the market developer console :( |
| 16:23.00 | blau | like one of my apps hasless than half the active installs as another |
| 16:23.10 | blau | but percntage wise, twice the number of reviews |
| 16:23.19 | blau | and its rated better |
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| 16:26.37 | marix_g1 | which apps are yours? |
| 16:26.45 | blau | dgQuickCut, dgAlert, and dgMoney |
| 16:26.46 | KNY | dg* |
| 16:27.00 | blau | yeah just search for dg and ignore the bank of america app |
| 16:27.40 | marix_g1 | i have an idea for an app but dont know if it would be possible |
| 16:27.40 | marix_g1 | how fast does the accelerometer update |
| 16:28.01 | blau | fast |
| 16:28.41 | blau | i gotta head out |
| 16:29.14 | blau | ill catch you guys later |
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| 16:30.36 | tauno | I'm sure he won't catch me.. |
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| 16:30.58 | tauno | I'm not trycatchable |
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| 16:31.13 | synalx | haha |
| 16:31.17 | synalx | you're an uncatchable exception? |
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| 16:37.28 | tauno | synalx, yeah.. at least that's what my mother used to tell me |
| 16:39.09 | Disconnect | cool. got the phone advertising dialup neworking, just need to get pppd configured and i'm properly tethered :) |
| 16:39.24 | synalx | :o |
| 16:39.29 | synalx | now that's cool :P |
| 16:39.32 | synalx | how'd you do that? |
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| 16:41.10 | synalx | Disconnect: advertising dialup networking via bluetooth? |
| 16:41.15 | Disconnect | yah |
| 16:41.50 | synalx | they have bluetooth in the SDK now? |
| 16:41.53 | marix_g1 | whoa, what? |
| 16:42.33 | Disconnect | nope |
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| 16:43.25 | synalx | so you bypassed the SDK? |
| 16:44.01 | infernix | cries |
| 16:44.08 | infernix | damn you RC30 |
| 16:44.21 | infernix | tetherbutt is soo meh |
| 16:44.26 | cmonex | you installed it accidentally? |
| 16:44.34 | infernix | no it came with it |
| 16:45.03 | VersedG1 | afternoon all |
| 16:45.20 | infernix | i hope it won't take too long |
| 16:45.21 | marix_g1 | ello |
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| 16:46.17 | cmonex | what wont take too long? |
| 16:46.25 | infernix | breaking RC30 |
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| 16:46.33 | infernix | or figuring how to flash through SPL off sdcard |
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| 16:47.06 | synalx | i think you guys are going about things the wrong way though |
| 16:47.19 | marix_g1 | whats tgat? |
| 16:47.25 | Disconnect | synalx: what do you suggest? |
| 16:47.40 | synalx | should be pressuring Google to give devs access to features that you want, rather than trying to find ways around their protection |
| 16:47.50 | synalx | that will inevitably be broken in the next update |
| 16:48.09 | Disconnect | is on rc30, its not broken.. |
| 16:48.20 | Disconnect | er, the way around isn't broken :) |
| 16:48.22 | jbq | well, in this case it's not as much Google as the entire Android community. |
| 16:48.22 | synalx | yeah, i was talking to infernix ;) |
| 16:48.46 | infernix | well i am sure that Google dev priorities are way different than mine |
| 16:48.49 | Disconnect | google is (sure, for now, etc but still..) being very closed about whats going on with android, access, etc. |
| 16:48.58 | infernix | so even if i would ask them |
| 16:49.05 | Disconnect | and remember that for g1, tmob has the final say as to what is possible. |
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| 16:49.07 | infernix | i don't expect that to happen soon |
| 16:49.25 | jbq | Disconnect: yes, at the moment Google's Android work isn't nearly as open as it needs to be. |
| 16:49.26 | Disconnect | so if they say "no tethering" then.. well.. no tethering. |
| 16:49.36 | synalx | so have they even said anything about the state of the bluetooth sdk? |
| 16:49.52 | infernix | Disconnect: isnt the bt stack on G1 a bit dated? |
| 16:50.26 | Disconnect | 'dated' how? its standard bluez. |
| 16:50.31 | andyross | The G1 has the same bluetooth stack as desktop linux distros. |
| 16:50.52 | infernix | hm. i heard someone state that some of the bt stuff still lives in kernel instead of userspace |
| 16:51.17 | infernix | not having root i havent bothered checking that |
| 16:51.22 | andyross | No, the driver is in the kernel. Everything above L2CAP (what there is of it, anyway, sigh) is in userspace. |
| 16:51.26 | Nafai | Am I correct in that the G1 does not support stereo bluetooth? |
| 16:51.28 | jbq | you can just read the source code :) |
| 16:51.36 | jbq | Nafai: correct. |
| 16:52.35 | synalx | so Disconnect, are you hacking your phone to support this, or is it a straightforward app that can be released on the market? |
| 16:53.01 | marix_g1 | so how are you getting it to broadcast dun? |
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| 16:55.56 | Disconnect | with dund |
| 16:55.59 | Disconnect | how else? |
| 16:59.24 | marix_g1 | so, just starting the daemon? |
| 16:59.24 | marix_g1 | didnt realize it was that easy i guess |
| 16:59.35 | marix_g1 | synalx, dont expect a market app anytime soon |
| 17:00.10 | Disconnect | its mostly that easy |
| 17:00.20 | Disconnect | or will be once i have a working pppd config and NAT set up |
| 17:01.16 | eldenz | meeh, going crazy, can't figure out how to delete a category in TooDo |
| 17:01.58 | marix_g1 | does the daemon dictate device power? |
| 17:01.59 | marix_g1 | or will it have to be enabled in android first |
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| 17:03.32 | infernix | considers camping ebay for RC29 |
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| 17:04.36 | eldenz | aaaah, long prssing trackball.. oO |
| 17:04.51 | eldenz | and i tried long tooching |
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| 17:41.30 | infernix | is there any way to monitor the data traffic used, perhaps even per month? |
| 17:41.47 | zhobbs | probably through your carrier |
| 17:42.10 | infernix | t-mobile netherlands can't do that. |
| 17:42.22 | infernix | which is lame, but doesn't help me ;) |
| 17:42.42 | infernix | im paying 60 euros/mo for 3.6 down 1.4 up unlimited data but i'm not getting that anywhere |
| 17:43.09 | infernix | so switching back to 2mbit down 384k up with 1GB/mo data limit so need to keep an eye on traffic |
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| 17:44.00 | infernix | wonders if that info is retrievable in the sdk at all... |
| 17:47.28 | andyross | infernix: There is a count of bytes for each device in /proc/net/dev. Not sure if it gets reset when the radio switches cells or not, but an application to poll that would get you a pretty good approximation. Doing that without hosing the battery would be a little harder; maybe there's a notification API that can be hooked? |
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| 17:48.29 | infernix | maybe. guess i'll have to start coding |
| 17:49.35 | andyross | Mine is reporting 1.366MB received, and I haven't used anything but a wifi network with the phone for the last 12 hours or so. So my guess is that the count is reasonably robust. |
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| 17:56.49 | Disconnect | http://pastebin.ca/1267751 |
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| 18:06.28 | KNY | Disconnect, impressive |
| 18:06.34 | KNY | now do it without root :) |
| 18:08.13 | Disconnect | ok. install a module...oops, can't. then run pand...oops. and iptabl...oops. sorry, you'll have to live without tethering and such, just like all the iphone users. at least until/unless tmob performs a total 180 on their attitudes about it. |
| 18:09.19 | KNY | heh |
| 18:13.46 | infernix | did anyone break off the usb cap yet? |
| 18:13.51 | infernix | i feel like ripping off the sucker |
| 18:14.09 | infernix | it'll wear and tear off in time anyway |
| 18:14.34 | andyross | Mine is still on, but yeah: I fully expect it to get snagged on something soon enough. |
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| 18:18.37 | jt436 | nope mine's been going strong for ages, its a strong little bugger |
| 18:19.05 | wastrel | i've been treating that thing very carefully |
| 18:19.42 | andyross | The sdcard door is even worse, but happily that really only needs to be opened once. |
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| 18:25.32 | unix_lappy | andyross: well some people are likely going to be getting 2x4GB this weekend so that's not universally true. |
| 18:25.39 | unix_lappy | i'm guessing that you got a 16GB card? |
| 18:25.53 | andyross | Yeah. |
| 18:26.25 | Nafai | You can use 16GB cards? |
| 18:27.22 | andyross | My phone says so, yeah. |
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| 18:31.02 | Nafai | Awesome |
| 18:31.08 | xsdg | infernix: I'm fairly confident that it'll generally stay on unless you intentionally pull it off. |
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| 18:31.47 | Nafai | tries to find 16GB cards |
| 18:32.13 | andyross | They're shipping now. I got mine from an eBay seller. You might be able to find one retail at this point. |
| 18:33.36 | Disconnect | i'd get one but i told the wif i'd wait until the music app could be used in the jeep. (or at all really) |
| 18:34.21 | andyross | It works well enough. I have a 7G tree of files on the card, and it manages. |
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| 18:34.40 | Nafai | Something like this? http://www.amazon.com/SVP-Capacity-Digital-Xthinn-1056-Cameras/dp/B001C32AC0/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1227724455&sr=1-33 |
| 18:35.29 | andyross | Who's SVP? So far SanDisk is the only manufacturer shipping these, I think. |
| 18:35.39 | Nafai | Oh |
| 18:35.52 | andyross | Ah. Note that this is an SD card, not microSDHC |
| 18:36.15 | Disconnect | andyross: the 3way splitter makes it epileptic |
| 18:36.37 | Nafai | http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDSDQ-016G-E11M-16GB-microSDHC-Card/dp/B001F7AJKI/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1227724584&sr=8-1 <- This? |
| 18:36.58 | andyross | Yes, that. :) |
| 18:37.19 | Nafai | Thanks for the tip |
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| 18:45.30 | unix_lappy | andyross: SD Card? |
| 18:45.57 | unix_lappy | erf, nvm. |
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| 19:02.02 | eldenz | does UK have start of week at Sunday? |
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| 19:03.45 | Disconnect | afair technically all english-speaking countries do, but actual usage varies by country (and even by user - for my business calendars I use monday as beginning of week, but personal stuff its sunday) |
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| 19:09.14 | eldenz | okay, thanks. does for anyone the android calendar respect the google calendar setting for start of week? i have it set to Monday but android starts at Sun nevertheless (in both Week and Month view) |
| 19:10.31 | KNY | eldenz, I would bet it's hard-coded to sunday |
| 19:10.38 | Disconnect | agrees |
| 19:10.40 | KNY | though I'd have to check the source to be sure |
| 19:10.50 | eldenz | hm, that's a pity |
| 19:11.02 | KNY | yeah, there are some shortcomings with the calendar app |
| 19:11.09 | KNY | and maps |
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| 19:14.24 | Disconnect | ..and everything :) |
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| 19:17.17 | mpardo | does anyone know of a project skeleton for a GL game? |
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| 19:34.02 | KNY | Disconnect, yeah, but those two strike me as odd because they're just layers over already popular google services |
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| 19:35.21 | Disconnect | there are some shortcomings with a ton of stuff tho. gmail is pretty solidly behind it's j2me bretheren with only supporting 1 account.. email flat doesn't work for 99% of the people out there (more detail finally came out, if you have to enter server info manually its broken..nice one.. so again i point the finger at crappy testing.) |
| 19:35.51 | KNY | yeah, Email is pretty crappy |
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| 19:37.24 | Disconnect | its funny, if you say that during the week one of the googlers pees himself insisting that somehow testing was perfect and they tested production units but that bug appeared as if by magic as soon as it was released.. |
| 19:38.00 | jbq | sighs |
| 19:38.03 | andyross | email works for me. Not hugely featureful, but it works with my dovecot server just fine. |
| 19:38.17 | Lieutenant | anyone here good at mirc scripting? |
| 19:38.54 | KNY | andyross, it works for me, but I get blank emails from people all the time when they send from their app |
| 19:39.14 | KNY | also, what's with them base64-encoding plaintext? |
| 19:39.16 | KNY | haha |
| 19:40.36 | Disconnect | http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/858ca6d7a6f38ccf andrew stadler "if your account was set up manually then delete will fail. If your account was setup automatically (there is a small built-in list of email providers and account settings) then delete will work" |
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| 19:41.18 | Disconnect | thinks that would be critical enough to have made it into rc28, rc29 or rc30... |
| 19:41.22 | jbq | Disconnect: yup, that's correct. That's a horrible bug, and sadly it wasn't discovered before shipping because that's really a simple one-line fix. |
| 19:41.45 | andyross | Guess I haven't tried delete. :) |
| 19:41.49 | jbq | Disconnect: it wasn't discovered in time for RC28, and beyond that the updates were purely security fixes. |
| 19:42.09 | andyross | Is it in git? We could just rebuild the app ourselves... |
| 19:42.21 | Disconnect | fwiw it was reported (repeatedly and vigorously :) ..) well before rc28. |
| 19:42.41 | Disconnect | i guess its not technically insecure when it won't let you delete mail. :) |
| 19:42.54 | jbq | Disconnect: RC28 was frozen before the first devices hit users. |
| 19:43.00 | Disconnect | ah |
| 19:43.02 | KNY | Disconnect, as a developer, I'm on Google's side here--just because you find a fix before it ships doesn't mean you have time to get it ---yeah, what jbq said |
| 19:43.18 | jbq | andyross: I can try to push that specific change manually if you'd like. |
| 19:43.46 | andyross | Not a big deal for me, honestly. But just in general, it'd be nice if the simple fixes ended up in the public tree sooner rather than later. |
| 19:43.56 | Disconnect | rc30 had patches for half the apps on there. lemme dig out the change summary that eventually came up. (ISTR it included way more than security but that coudl be wrong..) |
| 19:44.36 | jbq | andyross: definitely. we're trying to shorten the delay from its current near-infinite value to near-real-time (or entirely real-time when it makes sense) |
| 19:44.59 | IznastY | - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ] |
| 19:45.33 | jbq | Disconnect: RC30 had only 2 fixed in libwebkit, and the stuff for the root shell on the console. If other files were affected, that was only a side effect of the build process. |
| 19:46.33 | Disconnect | yah just found it. |
| 19:48.02 | Disconnect | and looking at the patch, there are 20-30k patches to basically every app but thats pretty small realistically.. so.. :) |
| 19:48.21 | Disconnect | except webcore of course |
| 19:49.16 | Disconnect | so i'd love to see rc31 fix some of the core problems :) but its not happening today. (i guess they -could- roll it out over the holiday but that seems somewhat insane.. :) ..) |
| 19:49.21 | jbq | It'd be good to figure out why all the apps ended up being patched when nothing should have changed that affected them (so that future incremental updates can be even smaller). |
| 19:50.25 | jbq | Disconnect: a holiday would be a pretty bad time to roll out an update (what if something goes wrong?!?) |
| 19:50.27 | Disconnect | ..future incremental updates should only include actual changes :) which means specifically excluding files that should be unchanged |
| 19:50.30 | Disconnect | yah thats my point |
| 19:52.47 | Disconnect | looks like almost all of it should be unnecessary - if webkit API doesn't change, then 300k of framework/ 760k of app/ goes away, leaving only 370k of lib |
| 19:55.04 | Disconnect | lol. "setprop ARGH ARGH" |
| 19:57.00 | Damm | setprop Disconnect is unhappy |
| 19:57.27 | Disconnect | yah but thats more about the terrible singers on rockband behind me than about android ATM. |
| 19:57.35 | Disconnect | i'm pretty pleased to have tethering working properly. |
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| 19:59.21 | joshuamc | hi. how do i test my app. on my actual device? |
| 19:59.32 | Damm | Disconnect, tethering? |
| 19:59.48 | Disconnect | Damm: http://pastebin.ca/1267751 |
| 19:59.53 | Disconnect | Damm: proper bluetooth PAN support |
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| 20:00.40 | Disconnect | like a big-boy cellphone, none of this usb and socks mess :) |
| 20:01.40 | joshuamc | how do i test my app on my device? |
| 20:01.49 | joshuamc | as in how do i get it onto the g1 |
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| 20:03.22 | Disconnect | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.43 | Disconnect | and anyone know what came of that g1-hijacking problem that was cropping up this morning? |
| 20:03.49 | Damm | Disconnect, very sexy. |
| 20:03.52 | Damm | Disconnect, require root to do? |
| 20:04.06 | Disconnect | expects its just tmob proxies being crappy again but.. (it once dumped a bunch of porn into my dailystrips feed.. sigh) |
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| 20:04.34 | Disconnect | Damm: as i told kny when he said to do it w/o root :) ok. install a module...oops, can't. then run pand...oops. and iptabl...oops. sorry, you'll have to live without tethering and such, just like all the iphone users. at least until/unless tmob performs a total 180 on their attitudes about it. |
| 20:04.39 | Disconnect | so yah its total root |
| 20:05.12 | Disconnect | and requires an external module (stock kernel mod, just not enabled) and a couple of built-but-not-shipped tools (pand, iptables) |
| 20:05.21 | Damm | Disconnect, still not bad. I imagine we'll find a way to get root on post RC30. |
| 20:05.32 | Damm | just gotta motivate users |
| 20:05.33 | Disconnect | i'm hoping. |
| 20:06.05 | Disconnect | plenty of users are motivated. mutliball will be an even better one. its getting the hackers motivated thats hard, most of them stuck with rc29 or modded rc30s :) |
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| 20:07.42 | jbq | gah - last-minute stuff hitting my plate right on a deadline. |
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| 20:09.53 | MrSnowflake | hi guys |
| 20:09.54 | Disconnect | my office is playing rockband. badly. |
| 20:10.21 | MrSnowflake | I have this problem using a ScrollView inside a ViewAnimator insida a LinLayout |
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| 20:10.46 | MrSnowflake | In the linLayout I have another linLayout at the bottom containing 2 buttons, which need to stay at the bottom of the screen, always |
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| 20:11.14 | MrSnowflake | but when the scrollview grows bigger than the screen, the scrollview obscures the bottom linlayout or it goes under the lin layout |
| 20:11.35 | MrSnowflake | making it impossible to use the last couple of views in the scrollview |
| 20:11.44 | MrSnowflake | anyone an idea how to work around this? |
| 20:12.01 | Disconnect | jbq: it loses alot without audio :( http://link.sigkill.net/rockband.jpg |
| 20:12.35 | jbq | heh |
| 20:13.06 | Disconnect | MrSnowflake: i munged something up with lin<sv weight><lin weight horiz<buttons> /> /> |
| 20:13.12 | Disconnect | actually it loses a lot with the g1 camera, too :) |
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| 20:13.46 | MrSnowflake | Thanks Disconnect, what's your finding |
| 20:14.32 | Disconnect | MrSnowflake: that munging something up with lin-vert [ (scrollview w/ weight){lin horiz w/ weight<button><button>} ] worked for me. but it took some tweaking. |
| 20:15.09 | MrSnowflake | hmm... scrollview with weight, I'll try it |
| 20:15.45 | Disconnect | weight keeps it from taking over |
| 20:17.02 | MrSnowflake | what's the weight on the last lin? |
| 20:17.12 | MrSnowflake | as only a weight on the scroll doesn't help |
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| 20:18.46 | Disconnect | i did them at 60/30 but it doesn't matter too much afaik. height=0px weight=60 / height=0px weight=30 |
| 20:19.06 | MrSnowflake | you forced height too? |
| 20:19.27 | Disconnect | weight only applies to the dimension with size 0 |
| 20:20.19 | MrSnowflake | ? how's that? it works without setting the height |
| 20:20.26 | MrSnowflake | anyway |
| 20:20.32 | MrSnowflake | using you tip it works now |
| 20:20.52 | MrSnowflake | I had set the gravity on the scrollview, where it should have been on the viewanimator and it works now |
| 20:20.55 | MrSnowflake | thanks man!!! |
| 20:21.03 | Disconnect | http://code.google.com/android/devel/ui/layout.html |
| 20:21.59 | MrSnowflake | there's nothing about the height=0 |
| 20:22.17 | Disconnect | read the tip |
| 20:22.42 | MrSnowflake | Hehe, ok, sorry |
| 20:22.49 | MrSnowflake | Thanks! |
| 20:22.50 | joeyjones | "Tip: To create a proportionate size layout on the screen, create a container object that is fill_parent, assign the children heights or widths of zero, and then assign relative weight values to each child, depending on what proportion of the screen each should take." |
| 20:23.07 | MrSnowflake | I do have it open :p |
| 20:23.15 | joshuamc | for some reason, my apk is zero bytes when i export it |
| 20:23.20 | joshuamc | anyone know why? |
| 20:23.21 | joeyjones | just making sure :p |
| 20:23.44 | MrSnowflake | :) |
| 20:23.52 | joshuamc | ? |
| 20:23.58 | MrSnowflake | joshuamc: no errors? |
| 20:24.40 | joshuamc | none |
| 20:24.47 | joshuamc | its basically a hello world app |
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| 20:24.55 | joshuamc | im trying to get it to where i can export it to my phone |
| 20:25.00 | joshuamc | no errors and it works fine in the emulator |
| 20:25.14 | joshuamc | right clicked on the project > android tools> export |
| 20:25.19 | joshuamc | but its always zero bytes |
| 20:25.32 | Disconnect | if its running in the emu eclipse created an apk already, you can fish it out of workspace/app/...../bin if you want |
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| 20:26.37 | MrSnowflake | Disconnect: The scrollview layouts perfect now, but I have a button in it, I had at lay_weight=1 for it to occupy the whole whidth (it were 2 buttons before) but now it only wraps the content, even with width=0px |
| 20:27.01 | joshuamc | no when i push, it says failed: read-only file system |
| 20:27.19 | joshuamc | cannot i use ddms to push the apk? |
| 20:27.27 | MrSnowflake | joshuamc: you should have your phone in debug to push stuff through adb |
| 20:27.39 | MrSnowflake | afaik |
| 20:28.05 | joshuamc | i have usb debugging enabled |
| 20:29.19 | Disconnect | joshuamc: push? use 'adb install' |
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| 20:29.56 | joshuamc | how do i do that - in eclipse? |
| 20:30.20 | andyross | Uh... fire up a terminal and type the command? It's hardly difficult... |
| 20:30.38 | Disconnect | close the emulator and run the app again, it'll use the device. but i'm guessing you haven't got the right drivers. |
| 20:30.51 | joshuamc | gotcha |
| 20:31.31 | budwaa2 | anyone else using mibbit on g1? |
| 20:31.50 | joshuamc | sweet |
| 20:31.53 | joshuamc | it installed |
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| 20:35.24 | Rimdar_Klall | Howdy folks. I'm in the market for a G1 and don't want to switch to T-Mobile. Is there a working jailbreak/unlock out there? From what I've seen, RC30 was supposed to keep that from happening. |
| 20:35.29 | MrSnowflake | still strange it didn't work from eclipse |
| 20:36.24 | budwaa2 | any irc clients for android yet? |
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| 20:36.45 | budwaa2 | r30 stopped a root exploit |
| 20:36.59 | budwaa2 | not sure about unlocking |
| 20:37.10 | romainguy | Rimdar_Klall: RC30 just fixes an exploit that gives you root access |
| 20:37.20 | romainguy | it has nothing to do with unlocking etc. |
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| 20:38.05 | Disconnect | and there is a perfectly fine unlock for tmob customers - call 611. for non-tmob customers there is a well-advertised site that sells codes. 1.5 seconds of googling will turn it up. |
| 20:38.13 | dcordes | hi, where can I find a complete dump of the g1 shipped rootfs? (no matter which revision, updated or not) |
| 20:38.20 | Disconnect | anyway its time for holiday. :) ttyl! |
| 20:38.37 | Disconnect | dcordes: you can extract it from the rc30 full upgrade zip (or jf's modified version) |
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| 20:38.49 | Disconnect | anyway really off now :) someone here should be able to get you links for those |
| 20:38.53 | dcordes | Disconnect, where? |
| 20:39.07 | dcordes | don't know jf |
| 20:39.27 | Rimdar_Klall | After looking, I found the unlock site. But elsewhere is warning me you have to activate with T-Mo first? |
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| 20:40.41 | andyross | dcordes: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=G1+RC30+download |
| 20:42.06 | uscheller | lol @?letmegooglethatforyou |
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| 20:43.37 | dcordes | lol moron |
| 20:44.50 | Rimdar_Klall | Well, I have another question. Are there, or are there in development, any geocaching applications for Android? |
| 20:45.05 | spikebike | there's 1 or 2 in the store |
| 20:46.05 | Rimdar_Klall | Oooh... (goes to look) |
| 20:47.15 | joeyjones | lol |
| 20:47.30 | Rimdar_Klall | An I able to see these apps without having a G1? I think I found the market site but searching for geocache and geocaching got nothing. |
| 20:47.59 | xsdg | Rimdar_Klall: no |
| 20:47.59 | spikebike | Not that I know of, I keep intending to sniff a connection to the app store |
| 20:48.12 | spikebike | using wireshark or similar |
| 20:48.19 | joeyjones | Rimdar_Klall: it won't be called that anyway |
| 20:48.33 | joeyjones | i think that there's an online version of the app store |
| 20:50.04 | Rimdar_Klall | is there a way to search for applications like that? |
| 20:50.21 | Rimdar_Klall | Why wouldn't I be able to just search for a keyword like that and find something... |
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| 20:53.00 | joeyjones | Rimdar_Klall: because the site's likely setup to search app names |
| 20:53.12 | joeyjones | so browse around a bit |
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| 20:54.52 | Rimdar_Klall | Mmk, do you happen to know the app store's online site? |
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| 20:55.41 | languish | <joeyjones> i think that there's an online version of the app store |
| 20:55.44 | languish | no there is not. |
| 20:55.53 | Lieutenant | how do i add a delay to a script? i want to say /part #channel, but i want to wait 2 seconds |
| 20:55.54 | joeyjones | well, a listing of apps |
| 20:55.58 | languish | Not the Android Market. |
| 20:56.10 | languish | There are non-google markets with android apps. |
| 20:56.24 | languish | they will not necessarily havw the same apps/content as the Android Market on the G1's |
| 20:56.46 | thesquib | Does anyone know of decent documentation regarding Cursors? |
| 20:56.50 | languish | there are also forums and websites such as android-dsl.com |
| 20:56.54 | languish | err |
| 20:57.03 | languish | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.07 | languish | :? |
| 20:57.31 | Rimdar_Klall | hmm |
| 20:57.35 | Rimdar_Klall | I think I found what i'm looking for, thanksall |
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| 21:33.21 | raidfive | is it possible to query for a single location update instead of using location listeners? I just need to grab the location once and the listeners seem like a bit much |
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| 21:48.28 | budwaa | So android is open source. But i cant modify the source and use it on my G1 because theres no root access on the G1. So for the purposes of the G1 is the fact that android is open source totally irrelevant? I cant see that the ability to code apps for android requires it to be open source? |
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| 21:49.12 | jbq | budwaa: correct. The G1 is not an open device. |
| 21:50.07 | jbq | you can build modified versions of a few of the apps from the source code and install them on a G1, but that won't get you far. |
| 21:50.47 | budwaa | Do you think the G1 might ever be opened up |
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| 21:51.07 | budwaa | I take it thats probably a ball in t-mobiles court? |
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| 21:51.26 | jbq | Correct. That's a T-Mobile device. |
| 21:52.05 | jbq | That's why I'd really really like to see a port to some other (open) device. |
| 21:52.42 | budwaa | Do t-mobile feel its a way to prevent abuse of their network? Or possibly a way to protect their customers from abuse. |
| 21:52.54 | wastrel | i imagine it's a bit of both |
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| 21:53.06 | budwaa | Hrrm |
| 21:53.31 | wastrel | i am however completely ignorant so, just speculation :] |
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| 21:54.05 | jbq | I'd have to speculate a fair bit as well, and I'd rather not speculate. That'd really be a question for them. |
| 21:54.22 | budwaa | Nothing wrong with speculation as long as its treated as such.. |
| 21:54.33 | xsdg | budwaa: that's not exactly true :o) |
| 21:54.54 | budwaa | How so? |
| 21:55.15 | jbq | It's too easy to get (mis-)quoted out of context. |
| 21:55.16 | xsdg | or, at least, it's hard to differentiate speculation from statement-as-fact. So it's hard to make sure the "it's treated as such" clause remains in effect |
| 21:55.22 | xsdg | nods at jbq |
| 21:55.50 | budwaa | Well thats exactly my point :D Thats an issue when speculation is treated as somthing else :d |
| 21:56.26 | budwaa | but w/e i agree with both of your statements anyway. I guess in some cases its just best not to bother.. |
| 21:57.21 | tarelerulz | Have any of you played videos you ripped on the g1 ? |
| 21:57.26 | budwaa | yop |
| 21:57.53 | budwaa | Got playback issues? |
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| 21:59.07 | tarelerulz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.44 | budwaa | "We want to be open in a way that consumers can rely on," T-Mobile CTO Cole Brodman told Wired's Daniel Roth. Translation: We don't really want to be open. |
| 21:59.57 | budwaa | Interesting...not sure of the source however :d |
| 22:00.07 | budwaa | 480x270 resolution |
| 22:00.27 | budwaa | Lemme check the codec. I used avidemux and i think mpeg4(lavc) |
| 22:00.31 | eldenz | if you look at the videoplayer app in the market and its description it states the ~requirements |
| 22:01.10 | eldenz | it's 3gp/mp4 as container, H.264/H.263 as video codec and AAC/MP3/AMR as audio codec iirc |
| 22:01.35 | mikey| | with the g1, do you have to install apps with adb when installing from the desktop? |
| 22:01.45 | eldenz | resolution <=480x320 |
| 22:01.45 | jbq | One of any carrier's primary concerns is about the number of calls to customer support. Each of those is very expensive for them. |
| 22:02.11 | budwaa | Who needs to talk to customer support when u have an intenet full of far more knowledgeable ppl.... |
| 22:02.25 | budwaa | Im sure if u care that the G1 is open you know that... |
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| 22:02.41 | jbq | I don't think that every G1 user is on this channel ;-) |
| 22:02.56 | budwaa | This channel !=the internet |
| 22:03.03 | budwaa | but u are very clever! |
| 22:03.30 | eldenz | (err, resolution is 480x352 or lower) |
| 22:03.55 | budwaa | I dunno i would sign a form saying that i will have an open phone but I will not hassle t-mobile for support on software issues :D |
| 22:04.00 | jbq | I was just a bit facetious. But direct customer support is the first solution that many users think of first, and it's expensive. |
| 22:04.53 | budwaa | Yeah, totally agree. But i think that the kind of user that would hit t-mobile customer support for help prob isnt the same user that will be modifiying androids code :D |
| 22:05.13 | jbq | Anyway, the G1 isn't open enough for some good framework hacking, and speculating about the reasons isn't gonna change the hard fact. |
| 22:05.43 | budwaa | Depends if ppl are willing to do somthing about it... |
| 22:06.21 | budwaa | If t-mobile have issues with being open, then maybe with solid reasoning and solutions to those issues with enough backing they would open it up. |
| 22:06.23 | jbq | Personally I'd prefer to spend my energy getting a port of Android to e.g. the OpenMoko devices. |
| 22:06.44 | budwaa | Well, thats fair enought..Just i have the G1 now :D |
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| 22:07.05 | jbq | nods |
| 22:07.33 | tarelerulz | jbq, would it be cool to have android on openmoko . Could do some of the same stuff. |
| 22:07.59 | budwaa | Might give them a ring some time tbh, see if I can contact somone who would take the trouble to talk about the issues they have. |
| 22:08.26 | ttuttle | android on openmoko would be like linux on windows, wouldn't it? |
| 22:08.30 | budwaa | Prob get shown the door but you never know :D |
| 22:08.41 | romainguy__ | ttuttle: "the OpenMoko devices." |
| 22:08.44 | ttuttle | ah |
| 22:08.47 | romainguy__ | the key is *devices* :) |
| 22:08.48 | ttuttle | good idea. |
| 22:08.56 | romainguy__ | or if you prefer the Neo FreeRunner or whatever it's called |
| 22:09.58 | tarelerulz | budwaa: What codec you use on avidemux to encode the g1 vidoe? |
| 22:10.21 | budwaa | tarelerulz: lemme check one min |
| 22:11.10 | budwaa | M-PEG4 asp (lavc) |
| 22:11.29 | budwaa | constant bitrate usually, didnt find much benefit from multi pass... |
| 22:12.03 | spikebike | true |
| 22:12.09 | spikebike | prefers constant quality |
| 22:12.23 | spikebike | why waste bits if nothing is changing? |
| 22:12.47 | budwaa | I thought the idea of multi-pass was to use the bits where they are needed most? |
| 22:13.28 | spikebike | ya, but that's most useful with constant quality |
| 22:13.50 | romainguy__ | http://hicksdesign.co.uk/journal/heres-helvetireader |
| 22:13.53 | romainguy__ | oops |
| 22:14.13 | budwaa | But u dont have constant quality with multi-pass do you? I thought the idea was to increase the bitrate in frames where you see the benefit? |
| 22:14.34 | budwaa | Maybe im confused.. |
| 22:15.01 | eldenz | maybe constant quality is the opposite of constant bitrate... |
| 22:15.53 | budwaa | In some cases prob |
| 22:17.10 | budwaa | spikebike: when u said true was that in response to me saying i dont find much benefit from multipass...or to me saying what codec i was using? |
| 22:17.51 | spikebike | eldenz correct |
| 22:17.57 | tarelerulz | budwaa: You put music on g1 ? What features it support ? cover art maybe |
| 22:18.18 | budwaa | Possible cover art..not tried it. |
| 22:18.21 | xsdg | tarelerulz: the Music Player does support cover art, yes |
| 22:18.31 | spikebike | multipass is most useful for hitting a particular filesize... i.e. maximum quality with an 800MB file |
| 22:18.44 | spikebike | and helps the most with variable bit rate |
| 22:19.01 | budwaa | What effect does multi pass have on constant bit rate encoding? |
| 22:19.03 | spikebike | but more sophisticated encodeers these days allow for constant quality |
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| 22:19.12 | spikebike | budwaa it picks the bitrate for ya |
| 22:19.25 | budwaa | Ahh true... |
| 22:19.26 | budwaa | gotcha |
| 22:19.32 | eldenz | i don't get it |
| 22:19.45 | eldenz | ah, now i do :p |
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| 22:20.23 | budwaa | spikebike: when you say allow for constant quality, how is that somthing a computer measures? |
| 22:20.56 | xsdg | budwaa: basically, you can measure the nyquist frequency for various pieces of the recording |
| 22:21.37 | eldenz | anyone managed to do x264 encodes with mencoder that played on g1? |
| 22:21.40 | xsdg | budwaa: and then you use some heuristic based on that to have a relatively consistent SNR, even as the frequency varies over time |
| 22:21.47 | eldenz | if so, hit me with the settings :) |
| 22:21.56 | xsdg | (SNR might not be what I mean; I haven't thought about it too much) |
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| 22:22.15 | budwaa | yiou mean some measure of the difference between original vs the encoded image |
| 22:22.23 | budwaa | interesting |
| 22:23.20 | spikebike | video compression is based on the understanding of human perception |
| 22:23.28 | spikebike | not really a measure of bit differences |
| 22:23.38 | budwaa | Thats clever cos then u can demonstrate that u can spend less bits on say a black screen and still maintain your required quality. |
| 22:23.48 | spikebike | well say a new cast |
| 22:23.55 | budwaa | yes but thats how we have programmed a computer to determine quality |
| 22:24.04 | spikebike | often it's a stable background, a slightly moving head, and moving lips |
| 22:24.08 | budwaa | it cant say oh i cant read that text any more tyherefore its bad quality |
| 22:25.16 | tarelerulz | budwaa: If it had orc on it maybe |
| 22:25.30 | budwaa | lol |
| 22:25.43 | budwaa | even a computer can tell what an orc is supposed to look like |
| 22:25.59 | tarelerulz | I can't wait to get something that is like the iphone and more open |
| 22:26.04 | budwaa | either that or just ask gandalf |
| 22:26.18 | spikebike | in general I find a quality I'm happy with and some movies it's 250 MB an hour |
| 22:26.27 | spikebike | and on others its 700MB an hour |
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| 22:27.01 | Optikal__ | What is one of the best android phones out now? |
| 22:27.12 | budwaa | G1 hands down |
| 22:27.43 | andyross | Also happens to be the flat out *worst* implementation of android to date... |
| 22:27.58 | jbq | andyross: by virtue of being the only one, yes ;-) |
| 22:28.00 | budwaa | Flat out only? |
| 22:28.15 | budwaa | But then also its the flat out best damn android phone ever concieved by man. |
| 22:28.41 | andyross | Bah. It's the only android phone that won't make me coffee in the morning. Useless. |
| 22:28.55 | budwaa | Agreed |
| 22:29.03 | fadden | It's the only android phone that doesn't print genuine $100 bills. |
| 22:29.10 | budwaa | u can text a friend who mgiht bring u one if they like you enough. |
| 22:29.10 | Optikal__ | Do you have to use T-Mobile? |
| 22:29.15 | tarelerulz | They still have far to be as good as the iphone is media action. They do great job . I mean watching tv show on ipod is pretty easy. |
| 22:29.27 | languish | It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness. It is the age of the G1. |
| 22:29.38 | budwaa | heh |
| 22:29.39 | eldenz | Optikal__, no |
| 22:30.02 | tarelerulz | Languish , The great Gadsbie I think |
| 22:30.09 | Optikal__ | heh |
| 22:30.25 | budwaa | I wonder if anyone from t-mobile is in here, since i shouted my mouth off about using port 81 for ssh on uk t-mobile its stopped working. Conincidence? |
| 22:30.33 | andyross | never quite understood the idea of "serious" video use on a phone. I mean, sure, watching the occasional youtube clip. But a whole TV show? |
| 22:30.34 | languish | tarelerulz, dickens, tale of two cities |
| 22:30.57 | Optikal__ | Were you serious? lol |
| 22:30.58 | tarelerulz | languish: Thanks man. |
| 22:31.19 | languish | :) |
| 22:31.50 | Optikal__ | Yeah, I don't understand watching TV on a phone |
| 22:32.08 | languish | I do. |
| 22:32.11 | tarelerulz | You guys think it will be soon they get media player on par with what the iphone does? Itunes level |
| 22:32.13 | languish | I understasnd it completely. |
| 22:32.22 | languish | *understand |
| 22:32.49 | eldenz | tarelerulz, what does iphone's videoplayer do? |
| 22:32.54 | budwaa | tarelerulz: prob wont, the iPhone is a different platform. By design its prob superior ar any single task. However its not multitasking which imo is a big flaw. |
| 22:33.01 | languish | Basically, I don't want to carry multiple devices, when I have one device capable of multiple functions, with the same sized screen (as zune or video ipod) |
| 22:33.29 | budwaa | You have youtube, you will have flash and idd you will have a multicodec video player soon. |
| 22:33.32 | languish | Battery life is the only real problem. |
| 22:33.36 | budwaa | agredd. |
| 22:33.46 | budwaa | anyone else thing the device doesnt sleep very well? |
| 22:33.47 | languish | But now I have 2 batteries. |
| 22:34.00 | budwaa | cpu usage seems to be around 20% most of the time. |
| 22:34.06 | languish | budwaa, issues such as that will be fxed in future updates. |
| 22:34.15 | budwaa | yeah thats what i was thinking. |
| 22:34.26 | budwaa | its a scheduler/app issue |
| 22:34.28 | tarelerulz | I am wish Languish , Why not have one do it all. I don't see any reason they could not have media player as good as itunes. It is matter of use database really well . Use meta data right so You can sort by tv show , movie , etc |
| 22:34.59 | languish | tarelerulz, I don't compare anything with itunes. Because I don |
| 22:35.04 | languish | t have any interest in itunes. |
| 22:35.27 | languish | Same way I don't compare the g1 to an iphone. The iphone doesn't interest me. The g1 does. |
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| 22:35.45 | languish | I just focus on what I'd like to see in the device(s) of interest. |
| 22:36.07 | Optikal__ | iPhone looks nice, but I just hate how closed off everything is |
| 22:36.15 | andyross | Certainly some people like itunes though, and for those the iPhone is probably a better bet. I'd hope someone somewhere is looking at something similar for android. |
| 22:36.38 | languish | If an "iPhone" comes out running android and has a physical keyboard, I might be interested. |
| 22:36.42 | tarelerulz | I would like to see playing my songs and videos with the same easy. Like I do with Banshee and something like itune/ipod with the sorting action. |
| 22:36.45 | languish | for now, *shrug* not. |
| 22:36.49 | budwaa | Optikal__: unfortunately the g1 is the same |
| 22:37.01 | Optikal__ | d'oh |
| 22:37.27 | budwaa | Open software closed hardware. |
| 22:37.30 | languish | budwaa there are some fundamental differences. It's not "the same" but it could be better. |
| 22:37.42 | Optikal__ | In what way is the hardware closed? |
| 22:37.48 | Optikal__ | They don't provide system level routines? |
| 22:37.49 | budwaa | you dont have root access to the device |
| 22:37.56 | Optikal__ | Yeah, that's what I though |
| 22:37.57 | andyross | The G1 is a good bit more open than the iPhone is. The SDK and source release expose more functionality than Apple does for "official" applications. And once jailbroken, the G1 (being linux) is hugely more flexible. |
| 22:37.57 | budwaa | therfore u cant modify android itself |
| 22:37.57 | jbq | You can't run any software you want on it. |
| 22:38.13 | budwaa | You can only manupulate software withing a VM |
| 22:38.25 | budwaa | andyross: its not open at all... |
| 22:38.28 | budwaa | android is open |
| 22:38.30 | budwaa | G1 is closed |
| 22:38.37 | jbq | budwaa: actually, native code is possible, just neither documented nor supported. |
| 22:38.41 | andyross | No, you can write native code for the G1. It's not in the SDK, but it works. What you don't have is root without using the pre-RC30 exploit. |
| 22:39.08 | budwaa | How do you run the native code without root? |
| 22:39.21 | andyross | The same way you run native code on a linux box without root? :) |
| 22:39.40 | budwaa | Rlly? |
| 22:39.43 | jbq | andyross: I couldn't have said it better ;-) |
| 22:39.56 | andyross | rly 4shr |
| 22:40.02 | jbq | Sure. Either load the .so and call it via jni, or exec a new process with an executable. |
| 22:40.13 | budwaa | So if I put a native code android app on my sd card i can execute it? |
| 22:40.35 | jbq | budwaa: no, the sdcard is mounted noexec. You'll have to copy it to the internal memory first. |
| 22:41.03 | Optikal__ | heh "Gadget Lab 13: HTC T-Mobile G1, $400 Flashlight" |
| 22:41.10 | budwaa | You can do that via the market? |
| 22:41.16 | budwaa | Or by running a .apk or somthing>? |
| 22:41.47 | jbq | You could do that from within an apk, yes, including those uploaded to market. |
| 22:41.54 | andyross | budwaa: the basic idea is to bootstrap with a java application that writes out a JNI shared library and then loads it with System.load() |
| 22:42.18 | budwaa | JNI is like a java interface to c yah? |
| 22:42.24 | andyross | yah |
| 22:42.55 | budwaa | Bootstrap u mean like the booting of the android os? |
| 22:43.23 | budwaa | or u mean u load the native code with java code.. |
| 22:43.31 | jbq | the latter |
| 22:43.54 | Optikal__ | Oooh barcode scanner |
| 22:44.02 | andyross | well, the former too -- the etymology is the same. "Boot" has long since been verbed from the metaphor. |
| 22:44.06 | budwaa | so you can then access the native code libraries android provides? |
| 22:44.37 | budwaa | could you play with userspace fs mounting like fuse with that? |
| 22:45.00 | andyross | Not without root, I don't think. Pretty sure the kernel on the device has no fuse support. |
| 22:45.13 | budwaa | Aww that would be sick...sshfs 4tw |
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| 22:45.55 | tarelerulz | Speaking of fuse , What file systems does the g1 support ? |
| 22:46.00 | budwaa | wonder if you could implement the entire thing to userspace and map it to a folder on the sd card. |
| 22:46.23 | andyross | adb shell cat /proc/filesystems |
| 22:47.21 | tarelerulz | Thanks, andyross , I don't have g1 . Just asking so I know when I do get it . It has terminal app? |
| 22:47.29 | budwaa | yeah |
| 22:48.02 | andyross | Ah, OK. Basically vfat and yaffs/yaffs2 in the stock kernel. Obviously a rooted phone could load modules for others. |
| 22:48.17 | budwaa | needs a rooted phone |
| 22:48.53 | budwaa | What was i so hasty with installing that damn update :( |
| 22:49.10 | budwaa | Why* |
| 22:52.08 | mikey| | http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/26/t-mobile-g1-now-available-in-frosty-white/ |
| 22:52.15 | mikey| | they offered me that when i placed my order today |
| 22:52.24 | jbq | if you already have root, you might as well remount the SD card without noexec and be done with it. |
| 22:53.45 | Optikal__ | heh iPhone has tons of sploits' |
| 22:53.58 | budwaa | yeah |
| 22:54.00 | andyross | And the G1 only one. But it was more embarassing. :) |
| 22:54.17 | budwaa | I was amazed :d |
| 22:54.36 | Optikal__ | They need a virus that sends all your text messages to everyone on your contact list |
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| 22:55.29 | budwaa | Im sure t-mobile would like that :d |
| 22:55.36 | budwaa | all+1000 :D |
| 22:56.00 | budwaa | maybe ring china too for good measure |
| 22:56.24 | mikey| | can i copy my contacts over from my sim card without going via google contacts? |
| 22:56.44 | Optikal__ | Is there a next-gen android in the works? |
| 22:57.07 | andyross | going via? Not sure what you mean. Pretty sure my SIM data just showed up in the contact list without any interaction needed. |
| 22:57.13 | budwaa | Optikal__: there will be other android phones sure... |
| 22:57.22 | mikey| | i mean copy it over from the sim to phone memory |
| 22:57.48 | budwaa | Prob its not on the phone? Is it stored on google servers? |
| 22:57.52 | budwaa | Or both? |
| 22:57.57 | jbq | Optikal__ : It all depends on what you call "next-gen". There's work being done beyond what went on the G1. |
| 22:58.04 | Optikal__ | yeah |
| 22:58.09 | Optikal__ | Like a G2 =) |
| 22:58.33 | budwaa | G1!=android :D |
| 22:58.39 | jbq | I was talking about the software. I have no visibility over the hardware. |
| 22:58.51 | Optikal__ | Oooh |
| 22:58.56 | budwaa | android is the software G1 is some hardware with the sofware. Android is more like symbian or windows mobile. |
| 22:59.29 | budwaa | yeah contacts are stored online, attached to your gmail account. |
| 23:00.11 | mikey| | alright, nn |
| 23:00.28 | unix_infidel | jbq: i think people forget that a lot, iirc romain was saying that a lot of UI guys didnt even have a device to work with for a lot of initial versions. |
| 23:01.16 | andyross | Heh, indeed. SIM contacts get automatically synced with your gmail account. I now have a bunch of contacts there with only phone numbers. Cute. |
| 23:01.35 | budwaa | Works both ways too :d |
| 23:01.46 | budwaa | Not just a backup. Cool. |
| 23:01.54 | andyross | Well, to the phone. Certainly there isn't space on the SIM to sync a ton of contacts onto. |
| 23:02.27 | budwaa | Few hundred on the sim isnt it |
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| 23:03.18 | andyross | No idea. But some people (cough, sales professionals, cough) can easily have thousands of contacts, so there's got to be a limit. I guess the test would be to create a contact on the G1 and move the SIM to a different phone. |
| 23:03.45 | budwaa | Does it store all local contacts on the sim: |
| 23:03.46 | budwaa | ? |
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| 23:03.54 | budwaa | though it would be on the intenal mem? |
| 23:04.24 | romainguy__ | they are stored on internal memory |
| 23:04.27 | andyross | I'm sure it would. But the original question was whether SIM contacts are synced, and they are. You mentioned that it went both ways, and I cautioned that it probably wasn't mutating the SIM data automatically. |
| 23:04.29 | romainguy__ | and synced to your Gmail account |
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| 23:05.00 | Optikal__ | Most the companies I've worked for make contact lists proprietary info |
| 23:05.01 | Optikal__ | :\ |
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| 23:06.01 | ionstorm | any ideas on spoofing the imei |
| 23:06.56 | ionstorm | spoofing imei helps make your phone untraceable |
| 23:07.42 | ionstorm | if u move from one provider to the next your imei will remain the same or change accnts etc |
| 23:08.00 | andyross | Would have to be done on the baseband CPU, which is a black box from the android side of the world. |
| 23:08.09 | ionstorm | i gotta find out where the imei is generated or sent through to be able to sp00f |
| 23:08.20 | andyross | Not in android, basically. |
| 23:08.24 | gambler_ | yeah what andyross said |
| 23:08.30 | budwaa | ^^ |
| 23:08.46 | budwaa | Maybe if u flash the baseband firmware? |
| 23:09.07 | andyross | Yeah, but flash it with what? It's a big binary blob with no source code, nor hardware docs. |
| 23:09.26 | budwaa | Could u search for ure imei within it? |
| 23:09.40 | budwaa | if u knew what it was.. |
| 23:09.50 | budwaa | and it wasnt encrypted or such |
| 23:10.09 | jbq | the radio image is the same on each device, the IMEI is probably stored somewhere else. |
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| 23:10.16 | budwaa | yeah true, |
| 23:10.32 | budwaa | Prob on another piece of mem. |
| 23:10.42 | budwaa | Maybe read only mem? |
| 23:12.03 | gambler_ | even if you manage to change it - to what end? you still have your IMSI |
| 23:13.44 | budwaa | Anyone elses gpu const using about 20% cpu? Could that be the resource of the sys monitor app? |
| 23:13.59 | budwaa | gpu=g1 |
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| 23:15.01 | ionstorm | the imsi is read by the sim is it not? |
| 23:15.27 | andyross | No, I'm routinely at zero. It's true that load shows 3 because of some kernel threads doing poor bookeeping, but that's not CPU usage. |
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| 23:16.35 | budwaa | andyross: what method do you use to check cpu? |
| 23:17.35 | andyross | There's a "top" in /system/bin that should work without root. Or busybox. |
| 23:17.47 | budwaa | andyross: you have rooted phone? |
| 23:17.55 | andyross | Yes |
| 23:18.40 | unix_infidel | there's a CPU indicator on the emulator not sure whether it works on the device. |
| 23:19.15 | budwaa | emulator? |
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| 23:19.28 | budwaa | in the sdk u mean? |
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| 23:31.45 | blau | bopit |
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| 23:36.50 | DarkriftX | 8 caqqsQWAsaedlb][oiuy |
| 23:37.23 | mohbana | what's the android site that;s run on wordpress? |
| 23:37.27 | mohbana | it was on the topic before |
| 23:39.05 | eggy | a |
| 23:39.07 | eggy | b |
| 23:39.07 | eggy | c |
| 23:39.09 | eggy | d |
| 23:39.09 | eggy | e |
| 23:39.12 | eggy | sorry |
| 23:41.26 | mohbana | ? |
| 23:41.27 | mohbana | anyone |
| 23:45.00 | IznastY | - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ] |
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| 23:52.07 | ttuttle | good evening |
| 23:52.35 | mohbana | what's the android site that;s run on wordpress? there was a link to it on the topic before |
| 23:52.37 | mohbana | it's gone now |
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| 23:56.57 | d03boy | what was it about? |
| 23:59.11 | blau | how awesomei am |
| 23:59.55 | spikebike | Too awesome to spell! |
