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| 00:15.15 | eldenz | love the comments on DroidSans tweak tools |
| 00:15.18 | eldenz | ^^ |
| 00:23.07 | ttuttle | wants a "stab commenter in face" button, available to dogfooders and other non-idiot users, in the Market. |
| 00:23.16 | Disconnect | heh |
| 00:23.31 | sodenrox | yeah the are dumb |
| 00:24.04 | Disconnect | ipv8 is slated to have a "stab user in face" extension |
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| 00:28.53 | ttuttle | So many of the users are just plain idiots. |
| 00:29.23 | sodenrox | they just dont take the time to find any answers |
| 00:29.30 | ttuttle | "I don't know what this app does" (1 star)... "FIRST!!!!!1111eleventythousand" (2 stars)... "OBAMA BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH" (1 star)... "MCCAIN BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH" (1 star)... "dsnt wrk crash awrvnajkervnaervcaws faer" (1 star). |
| 00:29.39 | sodenrox | they need to go by an 1 phone |
| 00:29.53 | sodenrox | buy* |
| 00:30.12 | ttuttle | wants app developers to be able to give the user a set of questions, and require they answer a certain way, before letting them download the app. |
| 00:30.27 | jasta | ttuttle: why not just do peer moderation? |
| 00:30.30 | ttuttle | That'd be great for ensuring a user really has root access, for something that requires it, or ensuring that a user knows WTF they're downloading. |
| 00:30.34 | jasta | and only show comments with a score above some threshold |
| 00:30.38 | ttuttle | jasta: 'cause then app developers can manipulate it? |
| 00:30.51 | ttuttle | jasta: People (myself included) will simply moderate down reviews they disagree with. |
| 00:30.53 | jasta | just like regular users? |
| 00:31.06 | jasta | and other people might just moderate them back up, so what? |
| 00:31.20 | jasta | at the very least you can have the comments not show up, but the reviewed scores still count |
| 00:31.24 | ttuttle | jasta: My point is, legitimate viewpoints will be quashed. They need trusted moderators. |
| 00:31.42 | jasta | not sure that i agree, but ok |
| 00:31.44 | ttuttle | jasta: Yeah, but then things like the FFT test that was up a while ago will have low scores because stupid fucks don't know what it does and rate it 1 star. |
| 00:32.22 | jasta | what's FFT test? |
| 00:32.26 | jasta | i give it a 1 star ;) |
| 00:32.45 | ttuttle | jasta: see?! :P |
| 00:33.20 | eldenz | what does a low overall score do to an app? |
| 00:33.21 | andyross | Out of curiosity, which app(s) are you talking about? |
| 00:33.34 | Disconnect | it needs a karma system. |
| 00:33.36 | eldenz | i mean, if you are looking for some core system tweak tools then you'll find them ;) |
| 00:33.45 | marcone | perhaps they did understand what it does, but were of the opinion that it's just a silly app that shouldn't be on the market |
| 00:33.50 | eldenz | and you will "get" the reviews.. |
| 00:33.52 | ttuttle | marcone: No. |
| 00:34.01 | ttuttle | marcone: Literally some reviews say "I don't get it, so I'm rating it 1." |
| 00:34.02 | marcone | I've seen a few apps like that come buy, that were basically "my first android app" |
| 00:34.06 | andyross | eldenz: Pretty sure that the OOM killer takes market reviews into account in its heuristics models. |
| 00:34.07 | ttuttle | marcone: Yeah, that's different. |
| 00:34.09 | marcone | s/buy/by/ |
| 00:34.34 | eldenz | andyross, oom killer? |
| 00:34.36 | ttuttle | marcone: These are things like a test of an FFT algorithm, or an app that requires root access. |
| 00:35.00 | ttuttle | finds a bug in [NDA]. |
| 00:35.27 | marcone | stuff that requires root access shouldn't be on the market either, in my opinion. 99.9% of people won't be able to use it |
| 00:35.32 | ttuttle | marcone: So what?! |
| 00:35.37 | ttuttle | marcone: That's a horrible attitude! |
| 00:35.54 | ttuttle | marcone: It's the Internet, there's no reason a niche app should have bad ratings because people are too stupid to read the description that explains what it's for. |
| 00:36.13 | eldenz | is the description character limited btw? |
| 00:36.29 | ttuttle | Maybe? |
| 00:36.32 | romainguy__ | ttuttle: I get bad ratinds on ShutterSpeed because people don't understand what it's for, but I take it as my own fault |
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| 00:36.40 | marcone | I'd say that people who have root access are probably smart enough to go to androidrooth4x0rs.com and download it. No need to clutter up the market :) |
| 00:36.43 | eldenz | as they are sometimes pretty short and not informative enough.. |
| 00:36.51 | ttuttle | romainguy__: No, it's not your fault! |
| 00:37.00 | romainguy__ | it is |
| 00:37.01 | ttuttle | romainguy__: If you explain the target market, and they ignore that, they're jackasses. |
| 00:37.09 | romainguy__ | my job is to make clear what the app does |
| 00:37.13 | romainguy__ | if people are confused, that's my fault |
| 00:37.15 | ttuttle | romainguy__: I mean, if you say "MAKES YOUR SEX LIFE BETTER AND PAYS OFF YOUR CREDIT CARD BILLS!"... |
| 00:37.41 | ttuttle | It says "Shutter Speed is an exposure calculator for Digital SLR camera users." |
| 00:37.49 | ttuttle | Ergo, if the user is not a digital SLR camera user, they should not use it. |
| 00:38.05 | romainguy__ | yes but apparently it's not enough, so it's my fault :)) |
| 00:38.07 | romainguy__ | anyway |
| 00:38.13 | languish | average users don't bother to read |
| 00:38.20 | ttuttle | languish: Yes. We should ban them from market. |
| 00:38.22 | languish | they skim for keywords they associate with |
| 00:38.23 | romainguy__ | like somebody said on one of the mailing lists, the problem is that ratings are subjective |
| 00:38.34 | ttuttle | languish: There should be honeypot apps that say "If you install this app you will be banned from Market" and if they do, they're banned ;-) |
| 00:38.35 | romainguy__ | I disagree with most of the ratings of the apps I've tried |
| 00:38.51 | ttuttle | languish: But, seriously, there should be moderation. |
| 00:38.54 | languish | all they see from "Shutter Speed is an exposure calculator for Digital SLR camera users." are the words speed and camera |
| 00:39.01 | marcone | I get at least 2 emails per day from people asking me how to exit Toddler Lock, even though it says right on the screen how to exit it. |
| 00:39.05 | languish | ttuttle, I assume there will be moderation, or no comments |
| 00:39.13 | eldenz | romainguy__, the app name is a bit misleading.. had me all excited when i first saw it :p but the description is kinda clear (maybe strip the 'SLR'? but then the description might be no longer correct, i don't know anything about digital cameras). |
| 00:39.28 | ttuttle | languish: Yeah, but even if you put in "THIS DOES NOT DO ANYTHING WITH THE G1 CAMERA!" they'll still download it and complain. |
| 00:39.39 | languish | ttuttle, yes. |
| 00:39.44 | languish | That was part of my point. |
| 00:39.44 | romainguy__ | eldenz: I firmly believe in short application names :p |
| 00:39.56 | romainguy__ | the best part are the private emails |
| 00:40.05 | romainguy__ | like the ones that accuse me of breaking the camera :)) |
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| 00:40.13 | eldenz | haha |
| 00:40.19 | ttuttle | languish: I'm not sure what you can do about that, other than moderate it so you can ban the user from rating things. |
| 00:40.57 | languish | ttuttle, talk to keven & friends at digg.com and other sites that avail themselves of user ratings |
| 00:40.58 | andyross | Or just eat the fact that some ratings will be bad. Good apps should still rise to the top, on balance. |
| 00:41.00 | languish | *kevin |
| 00:41.14 | languish | andyross, *popular* not *good* |
| 00:41.30 | andyross | Well, yeah. |
| 00:41.44 | languish | "omg this app gets me porn and music and porn music, ***** stars" |
| 00:41.48 | ttuttle | OTOH... the really good but niche apps shouldn't get top spots on the list. |
| 00:42.05 | languish | well, it might be a very good pron app, or it might not |
| 00:42.05 | andyross | A bigger worry for me is that the current market app doesn't seem like it's going to scale well. Imagine trying to browse through a selection of hundreds of games, etc... |
| 00:42.17 | eldenz | why is the 'pac-man by namco' download declined? ;< |
| 00:42.23 | ttuttle | eldenz: dunno, bugz? |
| 00:42.32 | eldenz | 1star!!1 |
| 00:42.34 | eldenz | crapgame |
| 00:42.40 | eldenz | cant evn dl |
| 00:42.43 | romainguy__ | andyross: we know :) |
| 00:45.03 | eldenz | hm, need to purchase it |
| 00:45.13 | ttuttle | has a copy. |
| 00:45.38 | eldenz | steals ttuttle's copy. |
| 00:45.45 | ttuttle | eldenz: just a sec |
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| 00:46.16 | ttuttle | can adb pull .apks off his phone ;-) |
| 00:46.29 | eldenz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:50.14 | offby1 | /ó\ |
| 00:50.26 | ttuttle | eldenz: email? |
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| 00:50.39 | ttuttle | eldenz: (do realize that I cannot do this once it is listed with a price in market.) |
| 00:50.58 | eldenz | thanks |
| 00:51.40 | tarelerulz | I hear people bitch about not being as open as they want. if you could make all the way open what could you do that is not done now ? Most of the software I have seen takes advantage for the device |
| 00:51.47 | ttuttle | Yeah, still says "FREE" to me. |
| 00:52.12 | ttuttle | tarelerulz: You could offer extra Bluetooth services. You could do things like add auto-rotation. |
| 00:53.15 | tarelerulz | ttuttle , Good point. Can you take video on it ? That is feature I have not read anything about if you can't why not |
| 00:53.49 | ttuttle | tarelerulz: Yeah, you can't yet. |
| 00:54.08 | ttuttle | tarelerulz: The reason is there's no interface for it, and without the "openness" of being able to do *anything* with it, you can't add that feature. |
| 00:54.19 | tarelerulz | You mean like hardware reason or software ? I just want to add ext3 to file system it use ' |
| 00:54.37 | ttuttle | tarelerulz: "Open" can mean a lot of different things, and people are twisting Google's words. Google means there's no hurdle to installing software, not that software can do anything. |
| 00:54.41 | ttuttle | tarelerulz: Why? |
| 00:55.31 | tarelerulz | I want to use linux to format sd card into it. So it would work better with Linux. |
| 00:56.00 | ttuttle | tarelerulz: Eh. That's the sort of thing you can't do without root. |
| 00:56.02 | Damm | android doesn't support ext2/3 |
| 00:56.07 | Damm | without root |
| 00:56.14 | Damm | only vfat and yaffs |
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| 01:08.11 | blau | the 5* reviews that say, this doesnt work but its a good idea balance the crap reviews |
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| 01:08.41 | blau | i think the market is pretty much near useless as it is now for ratings or comments |
| 01:09.02 | blau | probably other stats too |
| 01:09.29 | blau | my active installs % have fluctuated wildly today |
| 01:10.07 | blau | its needs better sorting/searching |
| 01:10.12 | blau | what does the iphone do? |
| 01:10.31 | TiberiumX | Popularity is a fairly good indicator for apps that have been out for awhile. I find that I have quite a few of the top 20 installed, but I watch for the new ones every day, so I'm not missing any that would be at the bottom. |
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| 01:12.17 | TiberiumX | What I'd like is to be told when a program has an update out. |
| 01:12.43 | ttuttle | TiberiumX: I'm sure they're working on that. |
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| 01:13.15 | blau | i still dont like that personal budget droid is more popular than my app |
| 01:13.21 | blau | grr |
| 01:13.31 | TiberiumX | Any word on when the next update is due? I haven't been reading much of the news lately. |
| 01:13.32 | romainguy__ | popularity also takes into account the percentage of active installs |
| 01:13.40 | unix_infidel | blau: you mean dgMoney? |
| 01:13.41 | romainguy__ | TiberiumX: nothing announced yet :) |
| 01:13.45 | blau | yeah |
| 01:13.46 | romainguy__ | RC30 just got released |
| 01:14.17 | ttuttle | TiberiumX: to quote #gentoo, "when it's done" |
| 01:14.22 | TiberiumX | Yeah, but RC30 was just an "oh shit, we fucked up" update, not something real. |
| 01:14.45 | ttuttle | TiberiumX: Actually, it's coming out November 31st. |
| 01:15.10 | TiberiumX | Where is that date coming from? |
| 01:15.16 | ttuttle | TiberiumX: lol |
| 01:15.31 | ttuttle | TiberiumX: My ass. There is no such day as November 31! |
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| 01:15.55 | ttuttle | TiberiumX: ;-) |
| 01:15.56 | TiberiumX | Ahh, I see. |
| 01:16.06 | blau | i just dont see why people like personal budget droid |
| 01:16.18 | blau | its such a horrible use of screen real estate |
| 01:16.24 | ttuttle | TiberiumX: Be patient. Google is working hard. |
| 01:16.44 | romainguy__ | and the phone has been out for just a little over a month :)) |
| 01:18.09 | Poohba1 | is there an error log for the G1? i'm getting a lot of force close messages with messaging |
| 01:18.31 | blau | pooh: actual force close messages or close with a wait button too? |
| 01:18.33 | TiberiumX | Connect with adb shell and run logcat |
| 01:18.38 | ttuttle | Poohba1: adb logcat with the emulator. |
| 01:18.39 | blau | messaging performance is fucked |
| 01:18.45 | ttuttle | s/emulator/SDK/ |
| 01:19.08 | Poohba1 | yes. most of the time there are both but not all of the time |
| 01:19.34 | Poohba1 | so i can't see logs on my phone? |
| 01:19.51 | romainguy__ | if all you get is a Wait/Force Close then there's no error |
| 01:19.58 | romainguy__ | it's just the device being slow/busy/whatever |
| 01:20.04 | Poohba1 | i didn't have these problems until the last update... although i have more mms since before then also so i dont' know who's to blame |
| 01:20.16 | TiberiumX | Yeah, I'm having some strange problems on just the phone. I was trying to download a set of files a couple days ago from the phone and was getting ClientProtocolException from the HTTP client, but it was just fine (same software, same files) on the emulator. |
| 01:20.22 | Poohba1 | i did delete a lot of service mms' but i can't delete my ppl mms |
| 01:20.32 | TiberiumX | The next day that problem disappeared. |
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| 01:23.24 | blaug1 | internet did grrr :( |
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| 01:35.11 | jasta | man, larry lessig is such a pimp |
| 01:35.58 | Leeds | pimp? |
| 01:36.27 | TiberiumX | What's he doing? |
| 01:41.44 | jasta | he's just being a pimp, like always |
| 01:43.45 | Disconnect | huh? |
| 01:44.38 | jasta | maybe there's a semantic gap here. i just think he's a really smart fella, arguing good points in a profoundly insightful and interesting way |
| 01:45.15 | Disconnect | was reading it as 'pimp' similar to 'punk', 'twit' or at the extreme, 'shithead troll' :) |
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| 01:48.39 | jasta | whoops |
| 01:50.29 | TiberiumX | I find myself using services to handle a lot of things. Stuff that I want to keep going even as I navigate through different screens of my application. I hope they're pretty light on the overhead. |
| 01:51.20 | romainguy__ | TiberiumX: you don't need a service for that |
| 01:52.51 | TiberiumX | How would you handle it? |
| 01:53.06 | romainguy__ | define the stuff you want to keep going |
| 01:53.12 | romainguy__ | can't you just use a background thread? |
| 01:53.30 | romainguy__ | or go through the Application class? |
| 01:53.50 | TiberiumX | Threads close when your activity ends don't they? |
| 01:54.06 | romainguy__ | not if you don't close them |
| 01:54.11 | TiberiumX | I'll look at the Application class. |
| 01:54.21 | romainguy__ | if your process is still running, your thread should still be there |
| 01:54.57 | xsdg | mmm... pb&j |
| 01:57.32 | unix_infidel | is there an intent you can trigger off of to put stuff in the database or call some services to move data before onStop or onRestart |
| 01:58.33 | unix_infidel | and also, will onStop always come before onDestroy? |
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| 02:39.09 | tmzt | jasta: the interview? what are you referring to? |
| 02:40.34 | dellio | Hi, anyone have the g1 startup logo image extracted, its the g1 not the android???? |
| 02:40.56 | xsdg | dellio: err... huh? |
| 02:41.18 | dellio | startup image |
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| 02:41.57 | dellio | the mtd2 image has a file name logo.rle |
| 02:42.30 | dellio | which is first logo the tmobile g1 displays when it boots |
| 02:42.45 | xsdg | dellio: I guess I should have been more specific. I understood hte first half of your question, but didn't understand "its the g1 not the android????" |
| 02:42.59 | dellio | anyone extracted it to a raw image or jpg |
| 02:43.00 | ttuttle | xsdg: He's looking for the "T-Mobile G1" image, not the "Android" image. |
| 02:43.09 | xsdg | oh |
| 02:43.10 | dellio | ttuttle correct |
| 02:43.36 | xsdg | dellio: it's not a jpeg, it's a raw 16bpp image (565) |
| 02:43.37 | plusminus_ | hi alll |
| 02:44.01 | plusminus_ | how to create a SQLiteDatabase on the SDCard ... is that even possible? |
| 02:44.03 | dellio | correct xsdg were you able to extract an image out of it??? |
| 02:44.10 | ttuttle | ponders what to use as a boot image. |
| 02:44.41 | elad | my face |
| 02:44.41 | elad | D: |
| 02:44.42 | ttuttle | decides to make an "AT&T G1" logo. |
| 02:44.42 | xsdg | dellio: I was just pointing that out. I don't have a production handset, so I couldn't say |
| 02:44.44 | elad | its sexy |
| 02:45.27 | spikebike | that's not easy |
| 02:45.43 | spikebike | oh extract is, updating it isn't |
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| 02:47.36 | dellio | spikebike, i mean actually converting the 565 image to a raw image |
| 02:47.51 | ttuttle | could write a quick program to extract the .rle to a 565 image. |
| 02:48.57 | xsdg | dellio: does file(1) not tell you what sort of file it is? |
| 02:49.19 | xsdg | the 565 format is dead simple |
| 02:50.48 | dellio | is this the code that encodes to565??? |
| 02:50.51 | dellio | void to_565_raw(void) |
| 02:50.51 | dellio | { |
| 02:50.51 | dellio | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.51 | dellio | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.52 | dellio | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.53 | dellio | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.55 | dellio | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.57 | dellio | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.59 | dellio | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.01 | dellio | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.03 | dellio | } |
| 02:51.08 | xsdg | dellio: please don't paste long things to the channel |
| 02:51.10 | ttuttle | dellio: yes |
| 02:51.13 | ttuttle | dellio: and what xsdg said |
| 02:51.26 | dellio | understand |
| 02:52.12 | dellio | so i would run the the reverse code to turn it back to a raw image??? |
| 02:52.27 | xsdg | bah, why doesn't it use "stdin" and "stdout"? |
| 02:52.51 | ttuttle | xsdg: because they're FILE*'s, not file handles. |
| 02:53.23 | xsdg | aah, ok |
| 02:53.27 | xsdg | hmph :o) |
| 02:55.05 | dellio | so uhm a little help on what the unencode would be ;) |
| 02:55.59 | xsdg | dellio: well, look at the to565 function |
| 02:56.04 | xsdg | and do the opposite of what it does |
| 02:56.59 | xsdg | you just want to go from a short to 3 chars (and expand make sure to map the 5/6/5 bits to 8/8/8 bits) |
| 02:57.09 | xsdg | s#expand ## |
| 03:01.07 | dellio | guys on xda-developers board had trouble changing this first boot image but you guys here figured it out, what was the problem???? |
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| 03:02.10 | Disconnect | the g1 logo changes? i though that was pre-linux |
| 03:02.12 | phyburn | does anyone here work with a group of people on one source? If so how do you keep your version updated? |
| 03:02.51 | Disconnect | phyburn: thats what source control is for (svn, cvs - ugh - or git, or etc) |
| 03:03.01 | dellio | disconnect, what you mean pre-linux? |
| 03:03.17 | Disconnect | dellio: thought the bootloader displayed G1, then linux displayed the android and (eventually) set the backlight |
| 03:03.23 | phyburn | Disconnect, whats the easiest system to use that can be implemented on mac os x, linux, windows, etc |
| 03:04.17 | Disconnect | svn and git are about the same. svn is prolly easiest to figure out if you've never used version control before. later, esp if you have a big group or a need for branching/merging, git is prolly a logical second step. |
| 03:04.37 | phyburn | well its just for me and one other person |
| 03:04.42 | phyburn | so Ill check out svn |
| 03:04.45 | phyburn | thanks |
| 03:04.45 | Disconnect | svn is prolly perfect |
| 03:05.07 | Disconnect | in other news, i'm writing up the bt tethering directions now. |
| 03:05.12 | phyburn | its mostly actually just for me, sometimes I want to edit code on my laptop then most of the time im on my desk and it just a wreck lol |
| 03:05.17 | Disconnect | maybe i'll make engadget and my poor fios line will splat :) |
| 03:06.13 | spikebike | disconnect cool |
| 03:06.15 | dellio | the mtd2 image is the bootloader then? |
| 03:06.22 | spikebike | phyburn check out trac, it works well with svn |
| 03:06.37 | spikebike | although for pure docs I prefer dokuwiki |
| 03:06.38 | phyburn | okay |
| 03:06.40 | Disconnect | dellio: no, bootloader is inaccessible to the OS cpu. |
| 03:06.53 | Disconnect | infobot: wiki |
| 03:07.15 | dellio | disconnect: any way to get to it? |
| 03:07.18 | Disconnect | infobot is freakin useless. anyone got the wiki page on how the g1 boots? |
| 03:07.28 | Disconnect | dellio: no, hence "inaccessible" |
| 03:07.41 | Disconnect | if it were reachable it would be "accessible" |
| 03:08.09 | dellio | right you said to inaccessible to os cpu |
| 03:08.28 | dellio | not to you |
| 03:09.07 | dellio | i'll take the wiki page, anyone gots it???? |
| 03:10.42 | Leeds | Disconnect: you need to teach the bot... |
| 03:11.18 | Disconnect | i'd expect the bot to understand that 'wiki' means 'where the hell is the android wiki' |
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| 03:11.26 | Disconnect | instead of msging me offering to search wikipedia |
| 03:12.10 | Leeds | he doesn't just live in this channel, and he only has a single database of factlets |
| 03:12.21 | Leeds | infobot: android wiki |
| 03:12.27 | dellio | o right....thanks for ya |
| 03:12.34 | dellio | you'lls help |
| 03:13.38 | eugene | Leeds: morning |
| 03:13.46 | Leeds | morning eugene |
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| 03:20.11 | Disconnect | ok someone test this out :) http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/515 |
| 03:20.29 | Disconnect | infobot: tethering is http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/515 |
| 03:20.30 | infobot | okay, Disconnect |
| 03:20.34 | Leeds | no :-( |
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| 03:21.35 | Disconnect | Leeds: ? |
| 03:22.08 | Leeds | no root :-( |
| 03:22.13 | mpardo | I have a service that has some methods exposed via interface |
| 03:22.36 | mpardo | i want to the service to stay alive beyond the activity that started it |
| 03:22.58 | mpardo | binding is not the right way to go correct? |
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| 03:32.09 | TiberiumX | First start it standalone with startService, then bind to it. Should live until you/itself stops it. |
| 03:34.30 | jasta | TiberiumX: if you use that strategy, make sure you handle onUnbind in the service to call stopSelf() if its not doing needed anymore |
| 03:35.13 | jasta | otherwise your service will live forever, which ultimately means the process that runs it will have higher priority than it maybe should |
| 03:35.57 | TiberiumX | Yes. I usually keep a counter of how many applications are bound and stopSelf when both the counter is 0 and I'm finished doing what the Service was started to do. |
| 03:36.07 | jasta | also, you should not start/bind during onCreate, you should do it during onStart (and unbind during onStop). else you will similarly leave open a possibility of your service running much longer than it should |
| 03:36.27 | jasta | TiberiumX: actually, they do that for you. onUnbind is very conveniently quirky |
| 03:36.39 | jasta | look at the docs for it :) |
| 03:37.35 | TiberiumX | How does binding during onCreate cause that problem? I've been binding during onCreate and stopping during onDestroy. |
| 03:38.02 | TiberiumX | Hmm, guess I'll go read the docs for Service. |
| 03:38.53 | jasta | TiberiumX: a service cant stop if something is bound to it, and if you bind in oncreate, unbind in ondestroy, any activity between those two states will keep it bound |
| 03:39.13 | jasta | if you navigate through your app, then hit Home to go back and never escape all the way out, your activity wont see onDestroy in a timely fashion |
| 03:39.30 | jasta | and so your service will stay bound for a very long time, leaving your process priority higher, and thus the out-of-memory killer likely to nuke you |
| 03:39.35 | jasta | even though your app might not be doing anything |
| 03:40.11 | jasta | TiberiumX: a handy tool to investigate this btw, adb shell dumpsys activity | grep oom_adj |
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| 03:40.24 | jasta | (lower numbers means less likely to be reaped) |
| 03:40.50 | marix_g1 | reaped? |
| 03:40.57 | offby1 | pillaged |
| 03:40.58 | jasta | killed by the out-of-memory killer. |
| 03:41.46 | marix_g1 | oh snap |
| 03:42.24 | marix_g1 | any cool new apps i should check out |
| 03:44.59 | IznastY | - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ] |
| 03:45.14 | offby1 | Freudroid. Analyzes your dreams |
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| 03:46.57 | Chewy954 | man i get horrible reception in my house sadly =[ |
| 03:47.28 | Chewy954 | but i got my g1 today |
| 03:47.28 | Chewy954 | :D |
| 03:47.30 | TiberiumX | Hmm, and now I hear that onUnbind is only called when everybody has unbinded from you. |
| 03:47.44 | Chewy954 | im messing with the network stuff |
| 03:47.49 | Chewy954 | if its on GSM |
| 03:47.53 | Chewy954 | i get only edge |
| 03:48.05 | Chewy954 | WCDMA = 3g |
| 03:48.08 | Chewy954 | worse reception |
| 03:48.09 | Chewy954 | :| |
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| 03:48.21 | Chewy954 | 0-1 bar if i have 3g |
| 03:48.24 | Chewy954 | idk y |
| 03:49.02 | TiberiumX | So if it's keeping its own counter of connections, and it reaches 0, how will it know not to kill my service if I'm in the process of doing something? |
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| 03:55.57 | marix_g1 | what |
| 03:56.07 | Leeds | why??? |
| 03:56.26 | marix_g1 | exactly |
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| 03:56.43 | marix_g1 | how ya doing tonight leeds? |
| 03:57.02 | Disconnect | marix_g1: got root? |
| 03:57.22 | Leeds | marix_g1: almost noon, and I'm working :-) you? |
| 03:57.23 | marix_g1 | yep |
| 03:57.57 | marix_g1 | thanksgiving is tomorroe, i was out of work by noon today |
| 03:57.57 | Disconnect | marix_g1: want to test my bluetooth tethering directions before i make the big announcements? |
| 03:58.06 | marix_g1 | sure |
| 03:58.07 | eugene | marix_g1: hi |
| 03:58.14 | eugene | Leeds: do you celebrate thanksgiving? |
| 03:58.23 | Leeds | eugene: a Brit in Hong Kong - nah... |
| 03:58.32 | eugene | Leeds: same |
| 03:58.43 | marix_g1 | disconnect amessersmith@gmail.com |
| 03:58.58 | Disconnect | marix_g1: http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/515 .. |
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| 03:59.37 | Disconnect | it shouldn't need any input from me but.. and i think i unhosed my site (no thanks to debian) |
| 04:00.33 | TiberiumX | Wow, I really wish I didn't upgrade to RC30 now. |
| 04:00.39 | Disconnect | heh |
| 04:00.44 | Disconnect | toldja (or at least, i told anyone who asked) |
| 04:00.48 | marix_g1 | im at my girlfriends place so i got no bluetooth computer around |
| 04:01.08 | Disconnect | ah ok :( can you test the g1 portion of the directions at least? make sure the mod loads, pand runs etc.. |
| 04:01.14 | Leeds | my ADSL went down last night, could have done with a little tethering... |
| 04:02.04 | marix_g1 | sure |
| 04:02.43 | Disconnect | can't really do a dependency check :) |
| 04:05.16 | bert0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.45 | eugene | bert0: cooking turkey ham... yummy :) |
| 04:06.04 | marix_g1 | turkey ham |
| 04:06.21 | bert0 | I wouldn't want to live without turkey |
| 04:06.23 | marix_g1 | what kind of wonky cross breed is that? |
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| 04:07.01 | Disconnect | i thought we were celebrating. turns out that instead of 6ish guests, we're only getting 1. (two, counting the friend who responded to the "oh crap" sms I sent :) ..) and we have food for about 15. |
| 04:07.01 | bert0 | This year we were going to stuff a tofurkey inside a turkey, but I couldn't find one |
| 04:07.04 | Disconnect | anyone hungry? :) |
| 04:07.13 | Disconnect | bert0: we're ordering a turducken for the yule party. |
| 04:07.42 | eugene | marix_g1: hehe |
| 04:07.55 | bert0 | never tried it, but it sounds great |
| 04:08.19 | Leeds | Disconnect: ctctp? |
| 04:08.23 | Disconnect | http://www.hebertsmeats.com/asccustompages/products.asp?cartID=&affID=&categoryid=2&navParent=15 ugly url pretty bird |
| 04:08.34 | Disconnect | Leeds: er? |
| 04:08.40 | marix_g1 | i was reading an article about a 16 deep nested bird dish |
| 04:08.43 | Leeds | client-to-client turkey protocol :-D |
| 04:08.46 | Disconnect | lol |
| 04:08.47 | Disconnect | nice |
| 04:08.56 | offby1 | .oO("the best gourmet"?) |
| 04:09.48 | marix_g1 | it statit stardesd with an emu and ended with a finch |
| 04:10.04 | marix_g1 | started even |
| 04:10.41 | bert0 | pardon my ignorance but what is a Yule party? |
| 04:10.54 | eugene | any android kernel developer here? |
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| 04:11.48 | marix_g1 | disconnect, seems to be working. cant test for sure, but good job on this |
| 04:11.54 | Disconnect | rock :) |
| 04:12.16 | Disconnect | bert0: http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/search?q=yule |
| 04:12.22 | Disconnect | announcing now |
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| 04:13.14 | marix_g1 | will the auto start have any trouble if the bt isnt enabled? |
| 04:13.24 | bert0 | ahhh, I guess I should have brushed up on my neopaganism before entering in this conversation |
| 04:13.36 | Disconnect | marix_g1: prolly :) thats whats gonna make it hard |
| 04:13.38 | eugene | Disconnect: lol. nice link |
| 04:13.46 | Disconnect | i'm gonna tie it into the sdp startup |
| 04:13.52 | marix_g1 | disconnect, whats your announcement location? |
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| 04:14.01 | unix_infidel | wow, really glad i contained my gadget lust. looks like this blackfriday is going to be decent. |
| 04:14.23 | Disconnect | marix_g1: and-discuss, and-dev and twitter. it'll hit xda and such on it's own i'm sure. |
| 04:14.26 | Disconnect | is too lazy. |
| 04:14.28 | marix_g1 | i havnt seen anything worth a damn |
| 04:14.52 | marix_g1 | lol |
| 04:15.43 | unix_infidel | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115530 |
| 04:16.21 | unix_infidel | not pulling any triggers quite yet. but looks quite good. |
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| 04:17.17 | Disconnect | bert0: actually its on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice |
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| 04:17.54 | jbq | Disconnect: saw your post to android-developers. Nice :) |
| 04:18.08 | Disconnect | that was quick :) |
| 04:19.26 | Disconnect | doesn't usually get copybacks for 10-45 mins :( |
| 04:22.16 | Disconnect | ok its time for another beer and some start script hacking |
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| 04:31.37 | tarelerulz | Is getting root access really a hack or just add feature that is not normally used ? |
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| 04:33.48 | Disconnect | depends on what side of the device you are on. |
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| 04:34.34 | Disconnect | personally, although I am not "a free human being" or any of that tech-age-hippie crap, I think an open platform should include open devices. that means root. |
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| 04:34.48 | tarelerulz | The way I understood you install terneral program and login as root and change permissions on files from read to read/write. |
| 04:34.54 | Leeds | you're not a free human being? |
| 04:35.07 | Leeds | tarelerulz: are you running r30? |
| 04:36.37 | Disconnect | Leeds: haven't seen one in a while but there is a new class of "veggie freak" :) that goes by the tagline "I am a free human being" and only uses free-free software (conveniently ignoring the computer firmware, bios, router os/firmware/booloader, network gear between them and the net, etc..) basically as realistic as any other "the world's problems would -all- be solved if..." evangelist. |
| 04:36.50 | tarelerulz | I am not running an g1 . I was just reading about root access and the way I read don't sound like real hack to me. When you hack the xbox or anything you get around security via bufferover flow . That to me is hack where putting terminal program and login into via the computer or g1 don't seem to be hack in the since I understand it to be |
| 04:37.23 | Leeds | tarelerulz: the interest is not in how hard it is to hack, but what the benefits are |
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| 04:38.10 | tarelerulz | Leeds, What do you see as hack ? |
| 04:38.24 | Leeds | Disconnect: ah, well... I make an effort to use free software where I can on my 'computers' - doesn't mean it has to be 100% free from top to bottom, but my extensive experience has found that free software is *better*, at least for me |
| 04:38.38 | Disconnect | Leeds: that is a little different.. |
| 04:38.59 | Leeds | tarelerulz: evading or exceeding the limitations of the device/OS as shipped |
| 04:41.01 | tarelerulz | hearing you all talking about the g1 and the stuff I have read I can say it looks like to be something that is good right now and in future it is great. I want it as phone , media player and then platform I can add programs too like I do Ubuntu |
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| 04:45.54 | ttuttle | tarelerulz: android really isn't a general-purpose desktop platform. |
| 04:46.01 | mpardo | Thanks Disconnect and TiberiumX, finally got that shit working |
| 04:46.43 | tarelerulz | tttuttle, I know that I am just saying I mean load free programs on it like I do Ubuntu. Not saying it is the same |
| 04:47.21 | Leeds | you mean you want to be able to load arbitrary programs onto it which are first class citizens along with the shipped apps? |
| 04:47.51 | Leeds | rather than, say, the manufacturer of the phone deciding which apps are available, or third-party apps running in a sandbox while built-in apps run 'native'? |
| 04:50.58 | TiberiumX | Seems like the fact that you can't downgrade the software is a serious problem for any hacking efforts. On the IPhone you could load any software version you wanted, so as soon as one was jailbroken, they all were. I'm not sure what's going to happen here, where yeah, a lot of them are jailbroken, but once you've made the error of updating, you can't go back; your screwed. |
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| 04:51.27 | muthu_ | is gtalk api available for android apps? |
| 04:52.00 | TiberiumX | Which really pisses me off, because I'm running the original RC30. |
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| 04:53.31 | Leeds | r30 will be broken sooner or later, I'm sure |
| 04:53.44 | tarelerulz | Leeds , I want to run anything I want on it the market stuff as well as 3 party programs. I they should make way you can run 3 party stuff that you don't really hack it. |
| 04:54.04 | Leeds | you *can* run third party stuff - it's a checkbox in the settings |
| 04:54.18 | Leeds | you don't need to hack it for that - that's the point |
| 04:54.48 | marix_g1 | k im back |
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| 04:55.59 | TiberiumX | Yeah, but then they'll release RC31, and anybody who updates will be out of the jailbreaking game. Jailbroken software isn't going to go far without a large community, and that community is going to be pretty tiny if anyone who gets a new phone (this one still isn't very popular yet) is automatically excluded from it. |
| 04:56.39 | Leeds | you don't have to upgrade... and the 'community' is doing a decent job so far at producing de-fanged upgrades... much easier than on the iPhone, I think |
| 04:56.58 | Leeds | I hit the "yes, install r30" button by accident |
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| 04:58.16 | marix_g1 | id expect a downgrade to be available soon enough |
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| 04:59.42 | tarelerulz | I understand the hardware and firmware is not open ,but I thought the software on top on that is free so add root access I would not think they would see it as hack |
| 05:00.43 | Disconnect | tarelerulz: anything outside the asinine security policy is a hack |
| 05:01.06 | Disconnect | (its a reasonable read, until you realize that it applies to the admin - owner - and prevents basic stuff like backups.) |
| 05:01.22 | Leeds | tarelerulz: it depends on who 'they' is - I guess t-mobile aren't amazingly happy, but I don't think anyone at Google is too bothered |
| 05:01.24 | Disconnect | and selinux could have done it all and more without the evil hacks |
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| 05:01.43 | Disconnect | i'd love to see a week go by without a critical security problem tho :) |
| 05:01.57 | TiberiumX | Sanboxing apps is a good idea, but not when I can't, as the owner of the device, step out of it. |
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| 05:02.34 | marix_g1 | tmo seemed ok with the platform freedom |
| 05:03.18 | mpardo | i need to start something on boot |
| 05:03.20 | tarelerulz | So , how would you run a program you make or got off the net some ware ? |
| 05:03.23 | mpardo | does this look right? |
| 05:03.26 | mpardo | public void onReceive(Context context, Intent intent) { |
| 05:03.26 | mpardo | if(intent.getAction() == "android.intent.action.BOOT_COMPLETED") { |
| 05:03.35 | marix_g1 | im sure someone explained that such an open device will be cracked front to back before long |
| 05:03.55 | mpardo | it's not working i'm doing something wrong |
| 05:04.33 | TiberiumX | You probably need to register yourself as the reciever of that intent in the manifest file. |
| 05:04.39 | elad | shouldnt you be using .equals |
| 05:04.59 | marix_g1 | tarelerulz it installs via a similar method |
| 05:05.03 | Leeds | tarelerulz: you can just install it straight from the website |
| 05:05.22 | marix_g1 | also, 3rd party installer apps are avail |
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| 05:06.36 | tarelerulz | If there of 3 party installer for 3party app then I will do that. I am not as much control freak that I want it jailbraked if that mean I update it and i lose out |
| 05:07.38 | TiberiumX | I guess you can only compare primitive objects with == (and all Objects would be compared as Object instances, including Strings)? I've just recently picked Java back up, and I actually haven't had any reason to do a string comparison yet. |
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| 05:11.00 | tarelerulz | Leeds, you mean you can go to said 3 party app and download there installer and you good to go ? is that what you saying |
| 05:11.14 | Leeds | yup |
| 05:11.21 | Leeds | well, download their install package |
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| 05:11.45 | marix_g1 | apk file |
| 05:12.09 | marix_g1 | which is just a renamed jar file afaik |
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| 05:12.52 | Leeds | I thought they were more than that... not quite sure why |
| 05:12.58 | Leeds | isn't a jar just a zip anyway? |
| 05:13.00 | tarelerulz | Most 3 party stuff is written in Java so They would be easy to install . |
| 05:13.15 | Leeds | tarelerulz: er, no |
| 05:13.26 | mpardo_ | infobot logs |
| 05:13.27 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
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| 05:14.17 | mpardo_ | i got kicked... did anyone answer my question while i was away? |
| 05:14.19 | marix_g12 | hitting the back button messes me up |
| 05:14.42 | marix_g12 | the on boot questyin? |
| 05:14.43 | Leeds | mpagano_: nope |
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| 05:14.59 | Leeds | well, not after TiberiumX did |
| 05:15.22 | mpardo_ | about boot broadcast? |
| 05:15.23 | xsdg | marix_g12: well, a .apk is just a zip file. It doesn't have any java in it, though |
| 05:15.37 | marix_g12 | oh |
| 05:15.46 | Leeds | xsdg: apk=jar=zip? |
| 05:15.50 | xsdg | Leeds: no |
| 05:15.59 | xsdg | Leeds: apk is a zip, and jar is a zip |
| 05:16.02 | Leeds | file format, not contents |
| 05:16.12 | xsdg | oh, yes then (I guess) |
| 05:16.49 | tarelerulz | Since Android is basiclly an Distro for a smartphone . Do they support a package system like deps or red hats system . Do they have there own system |
| 05:17.09 | Leeds | yes, they are called apk's |
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| 05:17.24 | xsdg | tarelerulz: in that sense, no |
| 05:17.50 | xsdg | tarelerulz: it's more of a windows-style distribution system (in that you basically carry your dependencies with you) |
| 05:17.56 | TiberiumX | Do apks do any sort of dependency handling/listing? I didn't think so. |
| 05:18.03 | TiberiumX | Ahh, ok. |
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| 05:18.15 | xsdg | I have no idea if that'll change or not |
| 05:18.23 | xsdg | but at the moment, no, there isn't dependency info |
| 05:18.23 | Leeds | xsdg: but with a richer core platform |
| 05:18.27 | TiberiumX | Which is a real bitch, considering how theyh obviously intended for apps to work together. |
| 05:18.56 | xsdg | Leeds: in terms of interaction, yeah |
| 05:18.58 | TiberiumX | Although the only things I've seen with dependencies were for that Radar program. |
| 05:19.14 | jbq | apks can specify dependencies, but they can't publish libraries to depend on. |
| 05:19.33 | xsdg | jbq: how/in what sense? |
| 05:19.40 | TiberiumX | What do you mean by specify dependencies in that case? |
| 05:20.01 | jbq | If an app needs maps (which isn't part of the platform), it specifies it as a dependency. |
| 05:20.10 | tarelerulz | I mean so they do have system for install stuff . That is good to hear. As long as it easy then compiling haha I am there |
| 05:20.25 | xsdg | TiberiumX: there are a lot of dependencies on functionality provided by the base system that can be overridden (for instance, "send an email") |
| 05:20.40 | xsdg | tarelerulz: actually, it's like gentoo, but you have to compile on the handset |
| 05:21.13 | Leeds | xsdg: don't be cruel :-P |
| 05:21.40 | tarelerulz | From what it sound like mix between windows style install and Linux . interstesting |
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| 05:22.43 | marix_g1 | wheres infobot? |
| 05:22.57 | Leeds | infobot: ibot |
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| 05:24.04 | TiberiumX | So what are you all working on at the moment? |
| 05:24.13 | TiberiumX | (as far as android applications) |
| 05:24.36 | marix_g1 | my girlfriend abou 20 minutes ago |
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| 05:24.56 | Leeds | marix_g1: that's strange, I was working on her 10 minutes ago :-P |
| 05:25.02 | marix_g1 | now back to surfing and reading news |
| 05:25.13 | marix_g1 | how taste my peepee? |
| 05:25.15 | Leeds | sorry, couldn't resist |
| 05:25.32 | marix_g1 | no worries |
| 05:25.55 | Leeds | TiberiumX: I'm working on getting myself enough time to get past hello world |
| 05:26.46 | marix_g1 | its been 8 years since i worked with java |
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| 05:26.54 | marix_g1 | i dont hate it like i used to |
| 05:27.46 | TiberiumX | I never really understood while people hated it. Had to take a class in college, and it was nice and easy to do a lot of things. |
| 05:27.55 | TiberiumX | why* |
| 05:27.56 | andyross | There's not much to *hate* with the language. It's the java culture that's the problem. |
| 05:28.05 | TiberiumX | What's the culture like? |
| 05:28.15 | tarelerulz | could you run say hello world on the g1 with out head jump a bunch of hoops ? |
| 05:28.53 | meoblast001 | bolbo1: you still here? |
| 05:29.16 | TiberiumX | Yes, it's extremely easy to install the SDK (really, you just unpack it somehwere and add a line to $PATH), extremely easy to make "ant", and easy to install "adb install $file". Not a lot of hoops at all. |
| 05:29.24 | andyross | Abstraction über alles, I guess? It's very heavy on capital-D design, and tends to value style over substance, IMHO. Very few clever hacks in Java that you see in other cultures (Ruby, say). |
| 05:29.25 | Leeds | tarelerulz: have you downloaded the SDK? |
| 05:30.08 | tarelerulz | Leeds, I am just wondering |
| 05:30.25 | tarelerulz | I don't even have g1 right now |
| 05:30.29 | TiberiumX | Google has a tutorial that goes through it all step-by-step. |
| 05:30.33 | marix_g1 | its leaps and bounds better than it was back then |
| 05:31.36 | Leeds | you can still download and run the emulator - it'll give you a feel for how the platform is, and if you want to try building and installing hello world, it's very easy |
| 05:31.38 | TiberiumX | You really don't even need the hardware to get started. I understand that people have been writing programs for this since the beginning of 2008 for the android emulator. |
| 05:31.43 | tarelerulz | leeds , I don't mean to ask so much since I don't have one. I am really just trying to learn as much as I can about it before I get one . maybe to see if worth geting one . a lot of dow. If I can get it to work as phone and play my movies and songs on it. I am good ,but I would love to play around with it and see what else I can get it to do |
| 05:32.08 | Leeds | tarelerulz: sure, we get that... download the SDK, run the emulator :-) |
| 05:33.00 | TiberiumX | You can look at a few of the bigger programs used on the real phone with the emulator like the music player and browser. |
| 05:33.15 | marix_g1 | the emulator comes preloaded with some demos shows some nice features |
| 05:33.16 | TiberiumX | Just to get a feel for what to expect. |
| 05:33.27 | Leeds | ironically, the browser probably works better in the emulator on Linux than Chrome does :-) |
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| 05:33.50 | tarelerulz | I don't want to tees myself to much before I get one . I am about foaming at the mouth as it is reading all this and hearing from real own what it can do |
| 05:34.50 | Leeds | calm down, man! |
| 05:35.05 | TiberiumX | I was pretty excited when I got one too. |
| 05:35.35 | marix_g1 | is google being open about eta on updates and what is coming down the pipe etc? |
| 05:35.59 | TiberiumX | I don't think so. |
| 05:36.08 | tarelerulz | I am just tired of being left in the cool with device since I use Linux. They work ok ,but 100% of features. They are for the windows users . I mean pay for it why not get me. Linux is not that small any more. From what I read. Just in the usa. We still seem to be all windows. |
| 05:36.22 | marix_g1 | i saw the roadmap, but havnt heard anything since |
| 05:37.00 | Leeds | I *think* the plan is to open things up more over the next few months - at the moment, the development is in-house and pushed out when it's done, but they want to change that |
| 05:37.25 | marix_g1 | good good |
| 05:37.34 | eugene | tarelerulz: i'm pretty excited about it too... but not to the extend of foaming at the mouth hehe |
| 05:38.06 | Leeds | and I think it's quite reassuring that there are shills^WGoogle engineers in this channel |
| 05:38.14 | marix_g1 | i say fork the project now, let google run with theirs and let someone else create a power user build |
| 05:39.13 | TiberiumX | Not much good without a device to install your fork on. I guess there is the Freerunner. |
| 05:39.40 | Leeds | android has been installed on various devices with various amounts of hacking |
| 05:40.17 | Leeds | a lot of HTC devices are very similar at a low level, even if they have different peripherals |
| 05:40.50 | TiberiumX | Who are the shills? |
| 05:40.53 | marix_g1 | touch pro with android would rock |
| 05:41.30 | TiberiumX | Yeah, I hear I can install it on my zaurus too. |
| 05:42.11 | marix_g1 | i wonder if research in motion is working on a bes interface for android |
| 05:42.30 | marix_g1 | that would blow the enterprise doors wide open |
| 05:45.12 | Chewy954 | hows the gameboy emu on android so far? I want to play pokemon. |
| 05:45.12 | Chewy954 | lol |
| 05:45.45 | marix_g1 | slow from what i hear |
| 05:46.21 | marix_g1 | and touch is poorly done for user input |
| 05:46.29 | tarelerulz | eugene, The main reason I want one so much is the hope of some that really works with Linux . The fact I don't need some sofware to get songs on it and you can upgrade to 16 gb sold me. The other stuff is just play and It would be great to show off can your iphon do this no , To bad they are not more open like g1 |
| 05:46.50 | TiberiumX | I saw a video of Doom running on it, but of course we can't run native code, so that's out. |
| 05:47.13 | marix_g1 | for now |
| 05:47.34 | marix_g1 | adobe is working on a flash player |
| 05:48.00 | eugene | tarelerulz: nod |
| 05:48.03 | tarelerulz | You guys ever think google would say let you run native code ? in any way . |
| 05:48.05 | marix_g1 | they also have the alchemy project which takes c code and exports a flash file |
| 05:48.08 | TiberiumX | As far as I know there aren't any plans to allow native code, which would completely blow their sandboxing system. |
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| 05:49.01 | TiberiumX | Someone big like Adobe could probably get their software built into the firmware update. I don't think they'd let me do that. |
| 05:49.21 | marix_g1 | so a game written in c converted to flassh running in a flash browser pluggin inside a javasand box |
| 05:49.22 | tarelerulz | I am not program myself so this may sound dumb ,but why would that want a sandbox system version say native cod |
| 05:49.46 | xsdg | TiberiumX: err... what? |
| 05:49.57 | marix_g1 | it protects the os from failure |
| 05:50.41 | TiberiumX | Surely, if Adobe is planning on releasing Flash for the android (as someone said), it's not going to be running in Java? I'm sure it'll be slow as hell enough on a phone as-is. |
| 05:51.05 | tarelerulz | haha on phone failure is not good. I can deal with that. My computer mess up not hurt ,but phone messing up I might miss call for ride home haha |
| 05:51.22 | TiberiumX | And since they haven't provided any way to run native code and, as far as I know, aren't going to, it would have to be built into an android software update. |
| 05:51.47 | Leeds | there will probably be an ability to run native code, yes - with a proviso that you are potentially going device-specific |
| 05:52.04 | xsdg | TiberiumX: you can create apps with native code right now. It's just highly un-recommended since those APIs are liable to change |
| 05:52.12 | Leeds | for those who've seen neocore, apparently it uses native code for rendering |
| 05:53.00 | xsdg | TiberiumX: so, basically, the idea is that you should hold off until the platform has better support for apps with native code so that, for instance, the package has some metadata about what hardware it runs on |
| 05:53.13 | xsdg | (among other things, I imagine) |
| 05:53.15 | TiberiumX | Can you? I guess you just can't integrate with the UI? |
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| 05:53.24 | tarelerulz | So native cod is not the recommend route ,but it can be done with out hacking the system |
| 05:53.35 | TiberiumX | Ahh, that's good to hear. |
| 05:53.40 | xsdg | TiberiumX: I don't know |
| 05:53.52 | xsdg | tarelerulz: yes |
| 05:53.57 | Leeds | native haddock is better |
| 05:54.03 | xsdg | haha |
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| 05:56.20 | TiberiumX | I thought that the neocore thing used OpenGL ES, which is part of the SDK, for rendering? |
| 05:56.48 | romainguy | it does |
| 05:56.56 | romainguy | but it doesn't use the Java layer of OpenGL ES |
| 05:57.09 | Leeds | morning romainguy :-) |
| 05:58.30 | romainguy | that's refreshing |
| 05:58.34 | romainguy | talking about native code :) |
| 05:58.57 | xsdg | romainguy: so how do I enable long-press on a button? |
| 05:59.01 | xsdg | ducks preemptively |
| 06:00.04 | KNY | xsdg, Button.setOnLongClickListener() |
| 06:01.02 | xsdg | KNY: twas a joke. long-press on a button is essentially undiscoverable |
| 06:01.16 | KNY | ah, sorry |
| 06:01.31 | KNY | I wasn't sure, but I knew the answer anyway, so I figured I'd go ahead |
| 06:01.35 | xsdg | :o) |
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| 06:01.51 | KNY | so you can't do it |
| 06:01.51 | KNY | ? |
| 06:03.10 | TiberiumX | So what's the joke about long-pressing on a button? |
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| 06:04.37 | marix_g1 | bed time gents |
| 06:04.42 | marix_g1 | ill ttyl |
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| 06:05.27 | romainguy | TiberiumX: don't listen to xsdg :) |
| 06:07.14 | tarelerulz | I am using Ubuntu is there way to install app on g1 use it ? |
| 06:07.59 | Leeds | error: failed to parse |
| 06:08.23 | Chewy954 | my g1 is rc28 |
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| 06:08.24 | Chewy954 | o.o |
| 06:08.28 | Chewy954 | should i jailbreak it? |
| 06:08.29 | Chewy954 | :O |
| 06:08.33 | TiberiumX | Yes. |
| 06:08.46 | Chewy954 | what can u do if i do? |
| 06:08.47 | Chewy954 | o_O |
| 06:08.51 | romainguy | first of all, it's not "jailbreaking" |
| 06:08.56 | romainguy | since you can already install apps, etc. |
| 06:08.58 | TiberiumX | Having RC30 and no hope of using the cool stuff people are making now sucks. |
| 06:09.07 | romainguy | then, if you don't know why you should, then you probably don't need to :) |
| 06:09.14 | Chewy954 | lol |
| 06:09.17 | Chewy954 | i just got my g1 today man |
| 06:09.25 | Chewy954 | i just know that in rc30 its patched |
| 06:09.28 | Chewy954 | the telnet exploit |
| 06:09.33 | Chewy954 | or in rc29 |
| 06:09.38 | TiberiumX | I'm surprised they're still selling them with that root console bug. THat's pretty serious. |
| 06:09.38 | Chewy954 | whats being made? |
| 06:09.46 | Leeds | it's fixed in r30 |
| 06:09.54 | Chewy954 | any forums I can see whats being made cause of it? |
| 06:09.54 | TiberiumX | Someone was talking about bluetooth tethering earlier. |
| 06:09.57 | romainguy | TiberiumX: well phones are manufactured in advance... :) |
| 06:09.58 | Chewy954 | i bought it at walmart so |
| 06:10.09 | Leeds | infobot: tethering |
| 06:10.10 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, tethering is http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/515 |
| 06:10.20 | TiberiumX | Yeah, I'd just expect that changing the software on them would have a quicker turnaround time. |
| 06:10.35 | gambler_ | Chewy954, outright or on a plan? |
| 06:10.40 | TiberiumX | I guess they figure you'll get 30 as soon as you turn it on anyways, so it isn't a big deal. |
| 06:10.40 | romainguy | TiberiumX: except when the said phones are already manufactured, boxed and shipped :) |
| 06:10.52 | Chewy954 | :o |
| 06:10.53 | Chewy954 | plan |
| 06:11.05 | Chewy954 | so I'll use 3g + edge + wifi at once? o.0 |
| 06:11.06 | Chewy954 | cool |
| 06:11.11 | bert0 | TiberiumX what is it what you want to do exactly that you need root access to do? |
| 06:11.28 | Gary|tp | chewy? |
| 06:11.32 | Chewy954 | lol |
| 06:11.34 | TiberiumX | I'm interested in the development of a method of tethering. |
| 06:11.35 | Chewy954 | sup Gary13579? :P |
| 06:11.40 | Chewy954 | Gary|tp |
| 06:11.41 | Chewy954 | :P |
| 06:11.52 | Gary|tp | :o |
| 06:11.58 | Chewy954 | o: |
| 06:11.58 | bert0 | why do you need root to do that? |
| 06:12.00 | Gary|tp | quit stalking me |
| 06:12.04 | Chewy954 | PFFFFFFT |
| 06:12.11 | Chewy954 | its not my fault |
| 06:12.12 | Chewy954 | >.> |
| 06:12.45 | TiberiumX | And it kinda irks me that I don't have root access to my own system, but yeah, mostly tethering. The current method involves using iptables, which I believe can only make changes when running as root. |
| 06:13.20 | Gary|tp | TiberiumX: theres the proxy solution |
| 06:13.35 | TiberiumX | Which isn't very good. |
| 06:13.43 | Gary|tp | it works fairly well |
| 06:13.47 | romainguy | ah even more refreshing |
| 06:13.52 | romainguy | root discussions :)) |
| 06:14.01 | Gary|tp | Well, depending on what you need it for. |
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| 06:14.15 | Gary|tp | Pretty much any app has SOCKS support. And if it doesn't, there's SocksCap for that. |
| 06:14.23 | Gary|tp | Heya JesusFreke :) |
| 06:14.31 | Chewy954 | Gary|tp is gay |
| 06:14.38 | Chewy954 | whats tp? |
| 06:14.40 | Chewy954 | tiny penor? |
| 06:14.41 | Chewy954 | :p |
| 06:14.46 | Gary|tp | Chewy954 wishes so I would fuck him |
| 06:14.50 | Chewy954 | D: |
| 06:14.51 | Chewy954 | no! |
| 06:15.05 | Chewy954 | hmm |
| 06:15.15 | JesusFreke1 | hey Gary :) |
| 06:15.17 | Chewy954 | wonder since we have root, if we can get 'real' java |
| 06:15.18 | Chewy954 | :o |
| 06:15.41 | JesusFreke1 | install debian, then install java |
| 06:15.43 | romainguy | what would you need it for? |
| 06:15.44 | JesusFreke1 | :) |
| 06:15.53 | Gary|tp | Why would you need it.. |
| 06:15.55 | jbq | No need to have root for that. |
| 06:15.59 | TiberiumX | You can also apparently symlink browser/markplace cache to the SD card to free up space. |
| 06:16.04 | romainguy | (warning: it will probably be awfully slow given how Java SE is implemented) |
| 06:16.19 | Chewy954 | Gary|tp: I just real that it'd be easier to dev a real gameboy emu |
| 06:16.22 | Chewy954 | i want pokemon |
| 06:16.24 | Chewy954 | lol |
| 06:16.52 | Gary|tp | nah, java and davlik would most likely be the same speed. if anything davlik would be faster IIRC |
| 06:17.14 | bert0 | so you want real java instead of java that is tailor made for your type of system... did I understand that right? |
| 06:17.28 | Chewy954 | MAYBE |
| 06:17.28 | romainguy | Gary|tp: not necessarily, it would have to be measured |
| 06:17.29 | Chewy954 | @_@ |
| 06:17.37 | romainguy | Java SE comes with much more advanced VM and GC |
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| 06:17.54 | jbq | Dalvik's big advantage is that it can run bytecode from memory-mapped files that are primarily read-only. |
| 06:18.20 | romainguy | Java SE's issue is that the stack was not implemented for phones |
| 06:18.28 | Chewy954 | man, it's a pain converting videos on this POS lappy of mine. |
| 06:18.35 | Chewy954 | want dark knight for my g1 ;] |
| 06:18.39 | romainguy | especially the Java2D/AWT/Swing parts of the stack |
| 06:19.55 | Randalthor_ | hey guys, anybody know if its possible to load a system.img, compiled from the open source code, into a g1 phone |
| 06:19.58 | tarelerulz | Emulators would be good program I would get ,but that is not officeal android market kind of program. Game Boy Advanced would be great 1000 of games for it |
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| 06:20.26 | Chewy954 | i just want gbc |
| 06:20.28 | Chewy954 | pokemon :P |
| 06:20.28 | Chewy954 | lol |
| 06:20.37 | bert0 | I want a wii emulator |
| 06:20.42 | Gary|tp | ugh CPU emulation |
| 06:20.44 | Gary|tp | makes me cry |
| 06:21.00 | TiberiumX | I want scummvm. Compiles for just about every architecture out there. |
| 06:21.21 | bert0 | I want a white siberian tiger cub |
| 06:21.31 | bert0 | ooops wrong channel |
| 06:21.45 | Chewy954 | i want a angelina jolie |
| 06:21.49 | Chewy954 | bitch is hot |
| 06:21.53 | TiberiumX | That would be cool, but probably a pain to take care of once it grew up. |
| 06:21.56 | DarkriftX | Randalthor: if you have root, yes |
| 06:22.08 | DarkriftX | JesusFreke: hows it going |
| 06:22.13 | DarkriftX | never seen you on here before |
| 06:22.30 | Chewy954 | isnt TiberiumX from malloc? |
| 06:22.37 | Gary|tp | I dunno |
| 06:22.40 | tarelerulz | GBC would be great too. I am just saying all the game boys have great games. Game boy advanced covers all the game boy systems. Which has 1000s of games I know of maybe more. I would get some MR.Driller myself and and some japanses game I can't remember the name of |
| 06:22.40 | Chewy954 | or was it toc2rta? |
| 06:22.45 | Gary|tp | oh I should pop on there |
| 06:22.47 | Chewy954 | i remember him from somewhere how ever. |
| 06:22.57 | Gary|tp | t2r became malloc...well, merged |
| 06:23.04 | Chewy954 | no |
| 06:23.09 | Chewy954 | t2r was shut down |
| 06:23.09 | JesusFreke | hey Darkrift. Yeah, it's my first time in this chan |
| 06:23.10 | DarkriftX | goes out for a smoke |
| 06:23.12 | Chewy954 | reopened |
| 06:23.15 | DarkriftX | ahh, yuo are here |
| 06:23.16 | Chewy954 | and shut down again |
| 06:23.17 | Chewy954 | :P |
| 06:23.29 | Chewy954 | malloc popped up cause of toc2rta going away |
| 06:23.30 | DarkriftX | did you talk to Disconnect about the bt modules? |
| 06:23.46 | Gary|tp | yeah, when niacin went all emo faggot (not like he ever wasn't). skylark setup a new server, and eventually linked it to malloc |
| 06:23.46 | DarkriftX | nudges Disconnect |
| 06:24.06 | Chewy954 | yea |
| 06:24.10 | Chewy954 | it made me lol Gary13579 cause |
| 06:24.12 | Chewy954 | i was bored |
| 06:24.19 | Chewy954 | and setup a rbot net on their |
| 06:24.21 | Chewy954 | and he shut down |
| 06:24.29 | Chewy954 | when he upped it for the iphone shit |
| 06:24.33 | Chewy954 | it was there |
| 06:24.38 | Chewy954 | he was going nuts trying to remove them |
| 06:24.39 | Chewy954 | xD |
| 06:24.42 | Gary|tp | lol rbot |
| 06:24.58 | TiberiumX | malloc? Wtf? |
| 06:25.06 | jasta | haha, sweet, my G1 wont turn on |
| 06:25.13 | jasta | or respond to the charger being plugged in |
| 06:25.15 | TiberiumX | What did you do to it? |
| 06:25.23 | jasta | nothing, its been in my pocket since the last time i used it |
| 06:25.40 | jasta | tries to remove the battery or something |
| 06:25.42 | Chewy954 | sucks |
| 06:25.43 | Chewy954 | lol |
| 06:25.49 | Gary|tp | TiberiumX: were you there? |
| 06:26.02 | Gary|tp | I was an ex net admin there, I guess chewy saw you there or something. |
| 06:26.18 | JesusFreke | Yeah, I did Darkrift :) |
| 06:26.27 | DarkriftX | cool |
| 06:26.27 | JesusFreke | Tried it out, verified it works, etc. :) |
| 06:26.30 | Chewy954 | i saw him somewhere |
| 06:26.33 | Chewy954 | cant remember where |
| 06:26.34 | TiberiumX | The only malloc I know of is a C function call, so I guess not. |
| 06:26.44 | JesusFreke | cool stuff! |
| 06:26.45 | DarkriftX | nice |
| 06:26.46 | Chewy954 | TiberiumX: what other irc servers do you go on? |
| 06:26.51 | Chewy954 | hopefully it wasn't 67chan |
| 06:26.53 | Chewy954 | er |
| 06:26.54 | Chewy954 | 7chan |
| 06:26.55 | DarkriftX | soon this will be like all htc devices |
| 06:26.55 | Chewy954 | lol |
| 06:26.59 | DarkriftX | rom chefs all over the place |
| 06:27.03 | TiberiumX | I'm not an IRC regular. |
| 06:27.10 | jasta | lol, is my phone really bricked now? |
| 06:27.12 | tarelerulz | What about bit torrent client for the g1 ? |
| 06:27.12 | Chewy954 | o |
| 06:27.13 | Chewy954 | meh |
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| 06:27.19 | Gary|tp | tarelerulz: no. |
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| 06:27.24 | Chewy954 | why would u want a bittorrent client for the g1? |
| 06:27.25 | JesusFreke | ouch, what did you do jasta? |
| 06:27.34 | Chewy954 | wanna test how many clients it can handle? |
| 06:27.34 | Gary|tp | Would kill T-Mobiles network. I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to make one. |
| 06:27.34 | Chewy954 | lol |
| 06:27.47 | jasta | JesusFreke: nothing at all. i literally used it, put it in my pocket, an hour later, it wont turn on |
| 06:27.58 | DarkriftX | ouch |
| 06:28.04 | JesusFreke | weird. Have you tried taking the battery out, and putting it back in? |
| 06:28.14 | jasta | trying right now, but its hard to do :) |
| 06:28.23 | JesusFreke | yeah, I hate that back cover :) |
| 06:29.14 | tarelerulz | since it can store music and movies on it . what about samba or some other system like that for sharing files ? I have different stuff on all my system . Ipod being one of them |
| 06:29.32 | TiberiumX | Samba client would be pretty cool. |
| 06:29.36 | JesusFreke | Yeah, I installed samba on mine. Pretty spiffy |
| 06:29.50 | jasta | ok, got it off |
| 06:29.54 | jasta | lets see if this phone is dead :) |
| 06:30.09 | Chewy954 | gl |
| 06:30.09 | Chewy954 | lol |
| 06:30.14 | JesusFreke | my RC30 v1.2 comes with a kernel module for cifs (same thing as samba client.. more or less) |
| 06:30.25 | jasta | yay, it seems to turn on |
| 06:30.33 | JesusFreke | yay! |
| 06:30.38 | Leeds | booted up? |
| 06:30.46 | jasta | well, it got to the bootloader, we'll see :) |
| 06:31.07 | jasta | that was scary and lame :( |
| 06:31.20 | jasta | yay, home screen |
| 06:31.29 | TiberiumX | Well unless your RC30 v1.2 can be installed over a pre-existing RC30, I'm screwed still. |
| 06:31.30 | Leeds | yay :-) |
| 06:31.35 | unix_infidel | hmm, near broken G1?> |
| 06:31.38 | TiberiumX | That's good. |
| 06:31.42 | tarelerulz | File sharing would be cool feature . So you don't have to connect via usb cable . I hate cords. take files on and off . I would do it just too see If it was that cool. |
| 06:31.46 | romainguy | jasta: if you're scared that easily, you should not get into the business of flashing the device 20 times a day ^^ |
| 06:31.49 | bert0 | http://pastebin.ca/1267751 Tethering? |
| 06:32.09 | jasta | romainguy: i wouldnt be scared if i had 5 engineering devices laying around :) |
| 06:32.21 | romainguy | you would be scared if you had to use engineering devices :)) |
| 06:32.41 | jbq | plus they're really hard to actually get, even for google. |
| 06:32.51 | JesusFreke | terelerulz, if you install debian per saurik's instructions, it's easy to get a samba server up and running once you have debian installed |
| 06:33.24 | Leeds | JesusFreke: I'll take one side order of NFS for v1.3, kthnxbye :-) |
| 06:33.25 | DarkriftX | TiberiumX: some ppl are working on a method to get root for rc30+ phones, but its still a few weeks out from what ive heard |
| 06:33.49 | bert0 | Do your sources tell you about how far out AADP is? |
| 06:34.07 | DarkriftX | is ncurses even possible on the g1 without the debian install? |
| 06:34.08 | JesusFreke | leeds - dunno if I can squish much more into /system. it's practically full :) |
| 06:34.16 | unix_infidel | jbq: awww, even after that nice taiwanese man said such nice things about you. |
| 06:34.25 | DarkriftX | what about /data or soemthing |
| 06:34.50 | JesusFreke | don't really want to put system stuff on data. what if they do a factory reset? |
| 06:35.09 | DarkriftX | ahhh |
| 06:35.11 | TiberiumX | Any idea what approach they're taking to jailbreak it? |
| 06:35.21 | tarelerulz | Jesusfreke , Install Debian might be cool if you could really do more. So, far I have not read or hear much you can't do with android . If that made Debain really work well on phones so You could do phone stuff and real linux action . I would install as soon as I got it. I really want to add codecs. I have alot of xvid stuff. I hate converting |
| 06:35.22 | DarkriftX | TiberiumX: they are attacking it from the bootloader |
| 06:35.36 | DarkriftX | i know pretend to understand that part, but they bootloader isnt as locked down as it is said it is |
| 06:35.45 | Leeds | tarelerulz: note that you will *not* be running X on your phone |
| 06:35.49 | TiberiumX | Who are these people? |
| 06:36.15 | DarkriftX | they are the unnamed |
| 06:36.20 | DarkriftX | to speak of them is to bring death |
| 06:36.26 | JesusFreke | them |
| 06:36.27 | JesusFreke | dies |
| 06:36.32 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 06:36.38 | romainguy | we're still waiting for a real root exploit guys :p |
| 06:36.39 | TiberiumX | But that's good, since you can't downgrade, it seems like a lot of potential jailbreak methods are out. |
| 06:36.54 | tarelerulz | Leeds, does Debain run Android's gui and the app android has for it |
| 06:37.06 | Chewy954 | no lol |
| 06:37.06 | DarkriftX | we are still waiting for one that isnt left open for us romainguy |
| 06:37.07 | TiberiumX | Like the image library buffer overflow they used for the IPhone. |
| 06:37.15 | romainguy | DarkriftX: that's RC30 :) |
| 06:37.19 | DarkriftX | oh wait, rc30 is probably shipping now huh |
| 06:37.28 | Leeds | tarelerulz: the 'install debian' stuff is installing a debian userspace, keeping the android OS in place |
| 06:37.28 | romainguy | better get to it :p |
| 06:37.30 | Gary|tp | my mother got a G1 |
| 06:37.36 | Leeds | romainguy: come on, give us a hint? ;-) |
| 06:37.37 | Gary|tp | waiting for data to be active so I can check RC |
| 06:38.04 | DarkriftX | romainguy: im not worried, ive seen the new methods in action and i know by the time i get mine, it will be 100% working |
| 06:38.24 | bert0 | my whole house smells like turkey :) |
| 06:38.29 | romainguy | Leeds: even if I wanted to I probably could not, I don't know enough about the low level stuff and honestly, I don't care at all; all I care about are GUIs |
| 06:38.36 | tarelerulz | Leeds, that sound like it could be hot. Userspace cover a lot. have worth wild media player would be what I would want haha |
| 06:38.58 | romainguy | DarkriftX: so how is it "a few weeks out" if it's working already? |
| 06:39.46 | tarelerulz | Any of you guys ever seen Banshee the media library / media player ? |
| 06:39.55 | TiberiumX | Well, depending on free time levels for the people involved, it can take awhile to clean something up and package it nicely. I wouldn't say that it's unreasonable, if, in fact, it has been jailbroken. |
| 06:41.32 | TiberiumX | But I'm a little suspicious, because I would expect a proof of concept to be shown or something. |
| 06:41.49 | DarkriftX | romainguy: its not perfected enough to release to general public |
| 06:42.13 | DarkriftX | the idea works, the method is very long and tedious (from what i last heard) |
| 06:42.23 | DarkriftX | so they are biulding the tools to make it user friendly |
| 06:42.59 | DarkriftX | TiberiumX: if you were shown a proof of concept, wouldnt you be begging for the method? |
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| 06:43.36 | tarelerulz | You guys look much at the media players for g1 ? |
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| 06:43.47 | DarkriftX | trust me, i wont be able to get a G1 till around xmas, and im not worried about getting root. |
| 06:44.00 | JesusFreke | you don't have a G1 dark? |
| 06:44.03 | DarkriftX | nope :( |
| 06:44.08 | JesusFreke | ah, wow |
| 06:44.10 | DarkriftX | wife is too spendy |
| 06:44.16 | DarkriftX | spends every dime i get and more |
| 06:44.22 | DarkriftX | so i gotta steal my money back from her to afford one |
| 06:44.29 | JesusFreke | enjoys his singleness |
| 06:44.32 | DarkriftX | or get one for xmas |
| 06:44.37 | DarkriftX | yes, enjoy it |
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| 06:44.44 | Gary|tp | enjoys being able to handle all the money. |
| 06:44.52 | DarkriftX | it sucks watching all the fun and not being able to join in |
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| 06:45.03 | DarkriftX | and for a week i was scared id missed the only root method |
| 06:45.26 | DarkriftX | which is my point, im not worried anymore because ive seen the steps and i know it works, just not somethign the average joe can do himself |
| 06:45.57 | DarkriftX | they are trying to avoid bricks because that would piss tmo off and make them work harder at locking this thing down which is bad for everyone. |
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| 06:48.13 | bert0 | which android related websites do you all frequent? |
| 06:48.52 | umdk1d3 | helloandroid has a good rss feed mashup |
| 06:49.15 | umdk1d3 | ohwait i think its planetandroid sry |
| 06:50.34 | TiberiumX | I peek into xda-developers occasionally. |
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| 06:51.00 | DarkriftX | helloseems to have died |
| 06:51.13 | TiberiumX | Have about fifty http://code.google.com/android/reference/* tabs open. |
| 06:51.15 | DarkriftX | i have their rss feed on my site, and the last entry is "g1 rooted" |
| 06:51.26 | DarkriftX | my site comes in a close 3rd i think :) |
| 06:51.42 | DarkriftX | ok, maybe 5th :( |
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| 06:52.57 | umdk1d3 | hmm i wonder how open source projects go about looking for translators |
| 06:53.48 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 06:54.00 | DarkriftX | i think most get ppl who apply saying "i cant code, but ill translate for you" |
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| 06:54.15 | DarkriftX | ive seen lots of those emails on the open source projects ive watched |
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| 07:04.35 | nipsy | Well, I copied a few Debian armel binaries over with adb to /sqlite_stmt_journals (busybox and bash-static) just to play around. Worked great. Too bad I got RC30 pushed to me and I don't have root. :) |
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| 07:06.58 | rahul | a newbie's question on emulator: while working with Eclipse, do I need to restart my application always? It seems the emulator takes ages to start up :( |
| 07:08.02 | rahul | Just wondering if Eclipse can hot deploy changes to a runnig emulator? |
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| 07:08.44 | romainguy | it can |
| 07:08.47 | romainguy | just re-run it |
| 07:08.55 | romainguy | it will kill the running app, deploy the apk and restart the app |
| 07:09.00 | romainguy | not need to restart the emulator |
| 07:09.14 | romainguy | (just like you don't restart your computer every time you change an application :)) |
| 07:09.23 | romainguy | * Experience may vary depending on the OS ^^ |
| 07:10.16 | rahul | cheers for that! |
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| 07:30.38 | tauno | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:35.59 | TiberiumX | At least on Windows, they certainly want you to all the damn time. |
| 07:36.47 | Gary|thinkpad | Generally they don't need a restart. |
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| 07:38.25 | TiberiumX | Yeah, I've always unchecked that box without issue, but still. |
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| 07:45.00 | IznastY | - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ] |
| 07:46.14 | Chewy954 | nn |
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| 08:21.14 | sparkle | hey |
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| 08:23.10 | spikebike | hey hey |
| 08:23.21 | JesusFreke | hey hey hey |
| 08:23.55 | Lieutenant | hey you |
| 08:24.00 | Lieutenant | i know u jesusfreke |
| 08:24.05 | Lieutenant | actually no i dont |
| 08:24.10 | Lieutenant | but hey anyways. |
| 08:24.16 | JesusFreke | hey. |
| 08:24.21 | JesusFreke | :p |
| 08:24.29 | sparkle | heh |
| 08:24.30 | sparkle | heyhey |
| 08:24.32 | sparkle | lol |
| 08:24.54 | Lieutenant | um wanna help noob ol' me fix my security hole on my modified rc30? :D |
| 08:25.00 | offby1 | .oO("sparkle motion"?) |
| 08:26.00 | JesusFreke | it's pretty easy. I would stick with Fnord's su for now, until Koush gets the new version he was talking about on xda-dev out |
| 08:26.02 | Lieutenant | i see the thread with all those big hacking words n stuff, but im too scared that i might mess something up :( |
| 08:26.24 | JesusFreke | thems are hackin' words there |
| 08:26.36 | JesusFreke | :D |
| 08:26.45 | offby1 | Hey! No hackin' words. It's a family channel. |
| 08:26.48 | Lieutenant | lol |
| 08:26.53 | Leeds | can see the fnords |
| 08:27.02 | offby1 | is pining for the fnords |
| 08:27.38 | Lieutenant | wouldn't it be cool if someone made a phonecall recording program? |
| 08:27.48 | romainguy | there's one on market it seems |
| 08:27.50 | Lieutenant | where it records phonecalls and puts the audio files on ur sd card? |
| 08:27.55 | Lieutenant | WTF? no way! |
| 08:28.08 | romainguy | it's called Phone Recorder or something |
| 08:28.15 | Lieutenant | i was just joking, i didn't know it was possible. |
| 08:28.56 | nipsy | /pts/2:~/g1/shit/bin> ll |
| 08:28.56 | nipsy | total 1.2M |
| 08:29.14 | nipsy | Well, that was an unfortunate paste. lol |
| 08:29.43 | nipsy | Could have been worse I guess. |
| 08:32.20 | spikebike | I'd like to make a walkie talkie application |
| 08:33.15 | Leeds | PTT? |
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| 08:57.54 | spikebike | nah, just short range walkie talkie |
| 08:59.08 | Leeds | BT? |
| 08:59.30 | spikebike | was thinking wifi |
| 08:59.33 | spikebike | ad hoc |
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| 09:00.59 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 09:02.02 | sparkle | has anyone figred out how to get the g1 doing encrypted ad hoc? |
| 09:02.50 | warren | sadly has 1 year left on a Sprint Treo contract |
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| 09:11.08 | tauno | recording phone calls is possible? by a random app running in the background? |
| 09:14.18 | tauno | heh.. what a smart thingie Dalvik is: "INFO/dalvikvm(52): threadid=35: bogus mon 1+0>0; adjusting" |
| 09:15.12 | tauno | btw "Unlocking SIM card..." progress dialog won't go away and the phone is unusable.. should I file a bug? |
| 09:15.20 | tauno | ..worked 5 mins ago |
| 09:15.40 | xsdg | tauno: on a G1? |
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| 09:16.10 | tauno | yes |
| 09:16.56 | tauno | logcat does not show anything interesting about it :( |
| 09:17.04 | xsdg | tauno: also, what dialog are you referring to? |
| 09:17.48 | tauno | when you enter your SIM pin code and press "OK" then there's a progress dialog "Unlocking SIM card..." |
| 09:19.28 | xsdg | tauno: I'm not sure I'm familiar with the dialog you're talking about. I presume you're not talking about the unlock screen with the 9 dots that you draw a pattern on, right? |
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| 09:19.56 | tauno | oh.. found a workaround for the bug - hold down power button till the "silent mode or turn off" dialog appears, press back - the "Unlocking SIM card..." dialog is removed |
| 09:20.17 | Leeds | and now your SIM card is fried |
| 09:20.32 | xsdg | yeah, dunno, sorry |
| 09:20.39 | xsdg | goes off to bed |
| 09:20.41 | tauno | xsdg, never seen this screen before where you see 9 dots (only seen it on screenshots :P ) |
| 09:20.48 | Leeds | xsdg: g'night |
| 09:21.03 | xsdg | tauno: oh, you have to turn it on. Settings -> Security -> Set lock pattern |
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| 09:23.00 | tauno | xsdg, oh ok.. if I ever need it, I'll turn it on ;) |
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| 09:31.55 | tauno | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.26 | tauno | or is there any reason that "I record all your calls and post them to the net" is a smaller security issue than "I catch all your keypresses and post them to the net" ? |
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| 09:34.39 | romainguy | tauno: you'd like your logins and passwords uploaded? :)) |
| 09:34.46 | romainguy | I don't know about recording the phone calls though |
| 09:34.52 | romainguy | I'm sure there's a security permission tied to that |
| 09:35.03 | Lieutenant | you guys! i just hacked my phone. |
| 09:35.12 | Lieutenant | gives Lieutenant a round of applause |
| 09:35.48 | DarkriftX | :S |
| 09:36.03 | DarkriftX | i hope you dont mean you typed in a command and it ran :S |
| 09:36.18 | Lieutenant | lol. |
| 09:36.20 | Lieutenant | no comment. |
| 09:36.44 | Lieutenant | i literally got an axe and chopped my phone in half :P |
| 09:36.56 | DarkriftX | nice |
| 09:36.58 | DarkriftX | i want pics :) |
| 09:37.09 | DarkriftX | would make a great post on the forum |
| 09:37.16 | DarkriftX | "this is what happens when you dont know how to use root" |
| 09:37.27 | DarkriftX | it just blew up perfectly in half |
| 09:37.55 | Lieutenant | http://czechrepublic.worldcupblog.org/files/2008/06/broken_phone_l.jpg |
| 09:38.02 | Lieutenant | thats what it looks like when it is broken. |
| 09:38.10 | DarkriftX | LAME |
| 09:38.14 | Lieutenant | :( |
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| 09:39.32 | Lieutenant | anyways, its 3 40 am, and i gotta drive all the way to garland tomorrow |
| 09:39.39 | Lieutenant | bye now. i'm tired. |
| 09:40.06 | tauno | romainguy, sure it asks for permission but couldn't an app that monitors keypresses also just require a permission? I just can't understand the reasoning for letting record phone calls but NOT letting capture key presses - IMO the first one is a more serious issue than the second one (beacuse the "usual" Joe Sixpack (or whatever he's called:P) does not use his phone to enter passwords anyway :) ) |
| 09:40.40 | Lieutenant | the phone can capture key presses |
| 09:40.46 | romainguy | if you're unhappy about it, file a bug |
| 09:40.48 | Lieutenant | the Music program does it |
| 09:41.02 | romainguy | Lieutenant: an application cannot capture all keypresses |
| 09:41.34 | romainguy | anyway |
| 09:41.35 | Lieutenant | u can hit the little "talk" button on the headphones provided with the phone, and music will start playing/stop playing wherever you are on your phone, whether you are on the itnernt, lookin at pics, etc. |
| 09:41.37 | romainguy | bed time |
| 09:41.49 | romainguy | Lieutenant: that's different :) |
| 09:41.53 | tauno | romainguy, nah, I don't care.. was just wondering if you guys really missed a security thingie there (since capturing keypresses is such a biig security issue for you, I thought that this is an even greater risk) :) |
| 09:41.54 | Lieutenant | oh :( |
| 09:41.55 | Lieutenant | oh well. |
| 09:42.26 | Lieutenant | i tried. maybe someone can exploit that, and make a "triple click on the headphones" hack for a print screen app. |
| 09:42.28 | romainguy | tauno: obviously we think differently :) |
| 09:42.39 | romainguy | Lieutenant: you can't capture the screen either |
| 09:42.54 | Lieutenant | whaa? i thought this guy said he was making a program |
| 09:42.59 | tauno | romainguy, seems so. and that's strange.. I mean.. I really can't understand why one is a bigger risk than the other :( |
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| 09:43.14 | romainguy | send an email to android-discuss or something like that |
| 09:43.17 | Lieutenant | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=450741 |
| 09:43.47 | Lieutenant | if u can't make screen shot apps, u might wanna warn him before he wastes too much time haha. |
| 09:43.48 | romainguy | that requires root access |
| 09:44.16 | Lieutenant | but its still possible right? |
| 09:44.21 | tauno | romainguy, no, I won't.. don't want to make hackbod angry again (or at least she seems angry every time I read any of her replies to messages regarding such topics) |
| 09:44.31 | romainguy | tauno: she's not angry |
| 09:44.42 | romainguy | it's just that sometimes, some suggestions are... interesting :) |
| 09:44.47 | tauno | :D |
| 09:45.11 | tauno | ok, I'll try my luck but I don't expect much from that :| |
| 09:49.06 | sparkle | screenshots require root or adb access |
| 09:49.08 | sparkle | but yeah |
| 09:50.23 | sparkle | is anyone running regularly with swap? |
| 09:52.52 | Lieutenant | is that droidsans tweak app safe to download? |
| 09:53.02 | Lieutenant | the comments say "its malicous, keeps reinstalling" |
| 09:53.09 | Lieutenant | but others say "it works great" |
| 09:53.25 | sparkle | personally i wouldn't jump on anything brand new that needs root |
| 09:53.32 | sparkle | except scripts that are easy to vet |
| 09:54.45 | Lieutenant | ok great advice. i'll wait. |
| 09:55.04 | sparkle | i mean |
| 09:55.08 | sparkle | think if you'd jumped on rc30 :) |
| 09:55.23 | sparkle | i did and i kicked myself for days |
| 10:01.15 | deebo | how much is a G1 in the UK? |
| 10:01.32 | deebo | (and is it paired to a sim) |
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| 10:04.12 | romainguy | what is droidsans supposed to do? |
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| 10:11.18 | deebo | hmpf, noones selling unlocked g1's yet? |
| 10:11.26 | deebo | not available here at all yet and i desperately want one |
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| 10:11.46 | rahul | i think an unlocked is available in NZ |
| 10:14.15 | eugene | deebo: hehe it's available here, but at a cut-throat price |
| 10:15.25 | deebo | hmpf, guess ill beg teh local retailers to do some grey importing |
| 10:15.45 | deebo | want one but not available at all currently |
| 10:16.03 | eldenz | romainguy, enable auto-rotate |
| 10:16.22 | romainguy | I definitely don't want that then ^^ |
| 10:16.28 | eldenz | has a few options, remount rw, check autorotate status, enable, disable, reboot :) |
| 10:16.37 | eugene | deebo: you might want to try ebay :) |
| 10:16.48 | eldenz | works fine for me with the exception for the browser which doesn't seem to support auto-rotate |
| 10:16.59 | deebo | eugene: well id actualyl like a warranty of some sort etc :) |
| 10:17.20 | eldenz | (the only place where it'd be usefull imo) |
| 10:17.34 | romainguy | the browser has a rotate option in the menu |
| 10:17.38 | romainguy | Menu > More |
| 10:18.20 | eldenz | for real? nice, didn't know that :) which is great.. love to discover new things after i've used this thing for days/weeks |
| 10:20.56 | sparkle | hey here's one |
| 10:21.02 | sparkle | is there any way to have the ringer work regularly |
| 10:21.06 | sparkle | when you have a headset plugged in? |
| 10:21.43 | jasta | romainguy: hey, i have a question regarding tasks. i merged five-music and five-client into the same apk for simplicity and performance reasons, however now i am struggling to make the activities from five-client appear as separate from those of five-music |
| 10:21.52 | tauno | posted my bawwing to android-discuss... wonder if I should have posted it to /dev/null instead :/ |
| 10:22.01 | jasta | i tried just giving them a different taskaffinity, but it seems i need some extra magic |
| 10:23.06 | eldenz | jasta, five isn't yet capable to set up the music server without X right? |
| 10:23.21 | jasta | not not currently, but a pretty easy requirement to remove |
| 10:26.26 | eldenz | ok. promising app, exactly what i was looking for :) |
| 10:26.59 | jasta | thx, still much work to do tho :) |
| 10:27.10 | eldenz | haven't yet had the time to set it up, though |
| 10:27.48 | jasta | wait about a week, i am working to greatly improve initial set up performance :) |
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| 10:28.01 | eldenz | ! |
| 10:28.26 | jasta | ? |
| 10:28.37 | eldenz | good to hear |
| 10:29.16 | User257 | Hello. I am trying to find samsung sgh-a707 firmware to fix my phone. Could someone direct me to a good channel to ask around about it please? |
| 10:29.26 | eldenz | the deps were what put me off :p i'm not on a debian (derivative) distribution and don't have an X server where i'm planning on using it |
| 10:30.33 | jasta | well the deps are always going to be the same, if not greater :) |
| 10:30.49 | jasta | User257: unlikely. use google. |
| 10:32.12 | User257 | I've been searching for a couple of hours without finding anything links to download it. It doesn't seem to be availble from samsung either :-( Can Android be installed to it? |
| 10:32.30 | jasta | no |
| 10:32.45 | eldenz | jasta, yes.. i'm not too familiar with the *-dev packages on debian systems, can they be mapped sometimes to version numbers? |
| 10:32.55 | jasta | what? |
| 10:33.08 | jasta | the -dev packages are just the headers and such necessary to build against those libraries |
| 10:33.19 | User257 | Blast. It's 4:30 am here. I'm going to bed. My phone is...dead. Screw it. Thanks. |
| 10:33.25 | jasta | btw, you're on a non-debian derivative? eww. gross. :) |
| 10:33.58 | eldenz | ah cool, thanks :) thought they were svn snapshots or something |
| 10:39.10 | sparkle | yawns |
| 10:40.01 | eldenz | heh, are there any non-clicky-gui debiany distributions? ;) |
| 10:40.06 | eldenz | unlike ubuntu... |
| 10:40.21 | jasta | uhh yes: Debian. |
| 10:40.51 | eldenz | that's what i thought! :) well, i'll probably have to check it out as soon as i'm in need of a server (re)install |
| 10:41.11 | jasta | what distro do you use currently? |
| 10:41.18 | eldenz | gentoo |
| 10:41.36 | jasta | lol, what a pile of crap :) |
| 10:41.36 | eldenz | on server and desktop. will most likely keep it on desktop but might change for my next server |
| 10:41.42 | eldenz | stfu :p |
| 10:42.01 | jasta | actually, using gentoo, you will find that building five is even more difficult because the package maintainers have elected to provide miserably stupid build options to several packages five needs |
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| 10:42.48 | jasta | gentoo maintainers are notorious for grossly misunderstanding the projects they package. ugh, they are infuriating to upstream developers. |
| 10:43.04 | eldenz | we will see... |
| 10:43.17 | jasta | no, i have already seen. there is no future tense about it. |
| 10:44.39 | jasta | i have been an upstream dev on the receiving end of that misunderstanding as well. for instance, sending a package maintainer an e-mail like "please do not package version x.y.z, it is in a highly unstable branch and likely to break binary compat often." you would expect that they respond "ok, sure, no problem." |
| 10:44.52 | jasta | instead they just package it anyway, and direct all support requests to your e-mail address. |
| 10:44.56 | jasta | because they are swell like that. |
| 10:45.10 | eldenz | lol, that's lame |
| 10:45.21 | eldenz | but still, doesn't necessarily have to be the same for all of them |
| 10:45.36 | jasta | yes, and i'm quite certain that somewhere in the gentoo package maintainer handbook it must actually say "Be as lame as possible to everyone." |
| 10:46.00 | eldenz | the build options you are talking about, is that sqlite3 in particular? |
| 10:46.02 | tauno | so you linux guys actually hate eachother too - not only us, windows guys? ;) |
| 10:46.16 | jasta | eldenz: yes, that is one such package. |
| 10:46.34 | sparkle | so not to drift too far on topic |
| 10:46.41 | eldenz | i can easily fix that though by creating my own ebuild ;) |
| 10:46.42 | sparkle | but it this a good place to discuss g1 specific issues too? |
| 10:46.51 | jasta | their default build options for sqlite3 exclude the ability to get column names on your queries, so for instance if you wanted to run a query like SELECT * and figure out what each field was, you would need this option enabled |
| 10:47.45 | eldenz | huh, and why would they compile it without it Oo and even more, why would sqlite itself not enable it by default? |
| 10:47.53 | jasta | eldenz: right, but the point is that i, as an upstream developer, have to tell you now how to build packages that i don't maintain. simply because i utilized an optional but important feature. |
| 10:48.45 | eldenz | true |
| 10:49.14 | eldenz | what if you do SELECT `id` will you get to know the field name? |
| 10:49.23 | eldenz | without that compile option enabled |
| 10:49.24 | jasta | no, not with this feature gone |
| 10:49.34 | eldenz | :S |
| 10:49.51 | jasta | the feature is to exclude that meta information from the compiled statement |
| 10:50.10 | jasta | as a way to reduce memory overhead, in a tiny and trivial way where that matters |
| 10:50.16 | jasta | for a Gentoo linux machine, it does not matter |
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| 10:51.58 | eldenz | but again, why is this not enabled by default by sqlite? |
| 10:52.07 | jasta | i bet it is, actually |
| 10:52.19 | eldenz | i can't see anything in the ebuild that disables it |
| 10:52.35 | jasta | im trying to remember what the option was called... |
| 10:52.47 | jasta | SQLITE_ENABLE_COLUMN_METADATA |
| 10:53.26 | jasta | it is off by default, possibly because the sqlite developers target the defaults toward embedded devices where this _might_ be desirable |
| 10:54.54 | mib_oak0ab | has any one used pvÅ test framework ? |
| 10:55.07 | mib_oak0ab | packet videoÅ test framework ? |
| 10:55.40 | eldenz | so the proper way to handle this culprit would now to write a bugreport that requests a use flag for this :p |
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| 10:57.35 | jasta | whoa, i found a reproducible way to crash an Android handset |
| 10:58.30 | tauno | release an app "CrashDroid" to the market - it'll be popular for sure |
| 10:58.49 | jasta | not sure exactly what causes this to produce a bug report though... |
| 10:58.58 | jasta | something to do with notifications and remoteviews... |
| 10:59.10 | mib_oak0ab | has any one used pvÅ test framework ? |
| 10:59.11 | jasta | E/AndroidRuntime( 52): Uncaught handler: thread android.server.ServerThread exiting due to uncaught exception |
| 10:59.12 | mib_oak0ab | packet videoÅ test framework ? |
| 10:59.14 | jasta | E/AndroidRuntime( 52): *** EXCEPTION IN SYSTEM PROCESS. System will crash. |
| 10:59.17 | jasta | E/AndroidRuntime( 52): java.lang.NullPointerException |
| 10:59.19 | jasta | E/AndroidRuntime( 52): at com.android.server.status.StatusBarService.updateNotificationView(StatusBarService.java:872) |
| 11:00.24 | jasta | oh crap...it's as simple as if you make a RemoteViews with a bogus package name, notify with it, then cancel the notification |
| 11:00.35 | jasta | it borks, crashing the system process, and then the phone |
| 11:02.01 | tauno | jasta, you earned a cookie. |
| 11:03.23 | joeyjones | mib_oak0ab: fail. |
| 11:06.56 | mib_oak0ab | joeyjones wht do u mean buy fail ? |
| 11:07.38 | joeyjones | mib_oak0ab: you spammed the same thing 4 times and still got nothing |
| 11:08.16 | mib_oak0ab | ya but this group is there to share the knowledge and contribute to the opensource community |
| 11:08.29 | jasta | and not here to listen to you spam us :) |
| 11:08.37 | joeyjones | it's a channe, not a group. |
| 11:08.54 | mib_oak0ab | is there no one working in audio video for android ? |
| 11:08.59 | joeyjones | and don;t ask the same shit four times, atleast not within 15min |
| 11:09.08 | joeyjones | *channel |
| 11:09.08 | jasta | tauno: just confirmed it. inventing a RemoteView package name will crash the phone |
| 11:09.12 | joeyjones | hey jasta |
| 11:09.42 | jasta | tauno: actually, this has serious implications if you think about it. you could make an app which receives the boot completed action and then triggers this |
| 11:09.43 | mib_oak0ab | if you are not ableto answer jus keep mum |
| 11:09.54 | mib_oak0ab | no need of telling me not to ask |
| 11:09.59 | jasta | thus putting the phone into a state where it must be hard reset as a result of an app installed requesting no special permissions |
| 11:10.32 | jasta | joeyjones: hello |
| 11:11.02 | jasta | mib_oak0ab: just post to one of the many google groups that google maintains |
| 11:13.01 | mib_oak0ab | Hi jasta, i have posted there also |
| 11:14.57 | joeyjones | jasta: seems like you found something relatively nasty :p |
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| 11:44.03 | joeyjones | jasta: i used a buddy's htc touch pro today and absolutely hated the interface, apparently it went down hill after the touch vogue |
| 11:45.00 | IznastY | - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ] |
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| 13:05.36 | mib_gfindster | i am hre |
| 13:17.34 | sparkle | ok, the bluetooth tethering is sweet |
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| 13:21.18 | mikey| | hmmm |
| 13:21.30 | mikey| | i requested a black g1, t mob sent me a white one |
| 13:21.36 | mikey| | and it's making creaking noises |
| 13:21.43 | mikey| | on one side of the screen |
| 13:22.36 | tauno | you are holding it too tight |
| 13:22.52 | tauno | :) |
| 13:22.57 | mikey| | definetly not |
| 13:23.15 | mikey| | slightest pressure makes the noise |
| 13:24.02 | tauno | mine is also very noisy - if I touch it it's squeaking and cracking etc.. |
| 13:24.30 | tauno | no matter where I touch it.. on the sider or on the back |
| 13:24.55 | tauno | can't pick it up from the table without making these sounds :( |
| 13:25.18 | tauno | I haven't noticed it till you said so :| Now it start to bother me a lot I think.. |
| 13:25.56 | tauno | just compared it to other phones around here.. can't get a single noise out of them |
| 13:26.42 | tauno | (ok, If I squeeze the N78 REALLY HARD, then I can hear something) |
| 13:26.45 | joeyjones | my htv vogue makes almsot no noises... |
| 13:27.06 | joeyjones | excep for one spot on the batteyr cover and only since i got an extended battery |
| 13:27.14 | joeyjones | *except |
| 13:27.32 | joeyjones | and btw, i almsot have android working on my vogue, it jsut has no internet |
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| 13:59.40 | mib_gfindster | any developers |
| 13:59.54 | mib_gfindster | test |
| 14:00.00 | jbq | pong |
| 14:00.09 | mib_gfindster | hi |
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| 14:07.26 | mikey| | well, that was disappointing :( |
| 14:07.43 | mikey| | to change to a black one, they will have to cancel my contract and re do the whole thing |
| 14:07.52 | mikey| | just went with an exchange instead |
| 14:09.35 | ttuttle | mikey|: what do you have? |
| 14:10.04 | mikey| | a white g1 |
| 14:10.34 | ttuttle | mikey|: ah |
| 14:10.59 | ttuttle | mikey|: did you ask for white? |
| 14:11.08 | mikey| | no, black one but it never got noted down |
| 14:11.17 | ttuttle | mikey|: :( |
| 14:11.23 | mikey| | yeah :| |
| 14:11.29 | tauno | what's up with android-discuss list? I sent an email like 6 hours ago and it has not appeared there.. are the messages printed out at some point, then snail mailed to somebody, who takes a picture of the mail on a wooden desk, and then scans the picture back in and posts it to the real list? |
| 14:11.39 | mikey| | the reviews werent joking when they said its hard to type on |
| 14:11.42 | ttuttle | tauno: hehehe |
| 14:11.48 | ttuttle | mikey|: it gets better |
| 14:11.59 | ttuttle | mikey|: ^'m typing on mine now. |
| 14:12.00 | jbq | tauno: is this your first post? |
| 14:12.04 | sparkle | but it's so cute |
| 14:12.06 | ttuttle | ~ I'm :-\ |
| 14:12.16 | tauno | jbq, no |
| 14:12.18 | ttuttle | * * I'm :-O |
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| 14:13.10 | mikey| | ^ thats my irc app :D |
| 14:13.27 | tauno | android-devel is the same.. that's one of the reasons I stopped posting there.. the posts took forever to appear there :( |
| 14:13.36 | jbq | I think that new users are moderated for a few posts (spam is a real issue otherwise), and that the moderators sleep at night. |
| 14:13.49 | Al| | . |
| 14:14.22 | ttuttle | jbq: sleep? pfft. |
| 14:14.44 | jbq | and since today is a major holiday in the US moderation might be a bit more lengthy than usual. |
| 14:14.50 | tauno | jbq, eh.. I made >20 posts to devel and I didn't notice that it got faster at some point.. |
| 14:15.05 | languish | I'm surprised Google didn't put out a little thanksgiving app or wallpaper or something through the market |
| 14:15.08 | tauno | ah.. maybe i WAS spamming :P |
| 14:15.22 | jbq | uh, heh! |
| 14:15.45 | languish | and Happy Thanksgiving.. to those it applies :) |
| 14:16.11 | tauno | ah.. you are eating turkeys there today? (at least that's how I understand it from the movies :P) |
| 14:16.33 | mikey| | hmm...why does the debugger never connect to my app when running it on my phone? |
| 14:16.34 | languish | tauno, well a big family dinner later yeah, likely there will be turkey |
| 14:16.35 | jbq | heh - I feel like an outsider, not having any family here. To me Thanksgiving is a 4-day ski week-end that's so early in the season that you risk not having any snow at all. |
| 14:16.49 | mikey| | i selected use debugging |
| 14:16.49 | ttuttle | jbq: :( |
| 14:16.54 | mikey| | s/use/usb |
| 14:17.26 | languish | jbq, heh. you could always find a different 4 day excursion activity :) |
| 14:17.28 | joeyjones | mikey|: when a useable virtual keyboard comes out you may find it easier than the hardware qwerty |
| 14:18.01 | languish | though, snowless snowbunnies at a ski lodge might not be a terrible way to pass the time |
| 14:18.45 | joeyjones | languish: at that point it's probably cheaper to find a club :p |
| 14:19.06 | languish | :) |
| 14:19.34 | languish | yeah, but they won't be app dressed up in those cute pufy snow parkas |
| 14:19.38 | languish | app/all |
| 14:20.16 | jbq | it'll be cool. I got a condo for 3 nights, there are restaurants and stuff just downstairs, and I can spend some quality time with my wife, without working from early morning to late night. |
| 14:20.39 | tauno | "The period from Thanksgiving Day to New Year's Day often is called the holiday season. @ wikipedia" huh, the holiday season is like form 20dec to 1stjan here - way shorter than there it seems :) |
| 14:21.24 | languish | tauno, eventually the US will be one big holiday season all year round, except for labor day where everyone will got to work. |
| 14:21.36 | joeyjones | tauno: the americans are always looking for an excuse to pretend they're on holiday |
| 14:21.42 | tauno | :) |
| 14:21.47 | languish | jbq, sounds nice man, complete with your own snowbunny :) |
| 14:21.54 | jbq | :) |
| 14:22.06 | languish | joeyjones, who's pretending? :D |
| 14:22.19 | joeyjones | well fuck me, it's 2c outside right now |
| 14:22.23 | tauno | "The Friday after Thanksgiving, colloquially known as Black Friday" I see.. that's the day of the year when you get everything for basically free? ;) |
| 14:22.26 | joeyjones | we could almsot get snow today :p |
| 14:22.47 | joeyjones | tauno: like boxing day |
| 14:22.53 | joeyjones | and it starts the shopping season |
| 14:23.15 | languish | We also have "cyber monday" now too, the marketing people established in the last few years |
| 14:24.45 | tauno | we had like the worst snowstorm in the past 10 years here on sunday and monday.. I drove 5h on the highway to get 78km.. was a total nightmare.. buses and trucks were sideways everywhere, even the "damn big snow cleaning vehicles"(whatever they are called in english) were stuck in the middle of the highway |
| 14:26.25 | joeyjones | tauno: i;d have jsut said fuck it, and found a hotel. |
| 14:26.58 | joeyjones | then again, i frive a motorcycle. |
| 14:27.02 | tauno | joeyjones, there are no hotels in between the two cities :P |
| 14:27.02 | joeyjones | *drive |
| 14:27.08 | joeyjones | ouch |
| 14:28.06 | languish | tauno, sounds like a great opportunity to "rescue" some cute girl and cuddle for the weekend. |
| 14:28.07 | tauno | there's basically nothing in between.. just a road and some small villages with ~5 houses (also no shops/gasstations etc in between) |
| 14:28.19 | languish | cup half full |
| 14:28.36 | joeyjones | languish: that's where my hotel plan was leading |
| 14:28.42 | languish | joey :) |
| 14:29.23 | tauno | languish, I already have one :) (the bonus was that there was also a small child in the car (back seat, behind me) who cried and threw up on me.. 2 times) |
| 14:29.37 | languish | ossum, parenthood. |
| 14:30.05 | languish | then when it's in its teens, it'll come home drunk, and throw up on you all over again |
| 14:30.19 | tauno | was not my child ;) |
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| 14:30.28 | tauno | (yes, we like to steal children here) |
| 14:30.30 | languish | small favors.. eh |
| 14:37.09 | tauno | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:38.22 | eugene | tauno: wow where's that |
| 14:39.27 | tauno | eugene, Estonia |
| 14:41.58 | mikey| | groans |
| 14:42.09 | mikey| | whose idea was it to put myspace and facebook in bookmarks |
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| 14:44.34 | joeyjones | mikey|: they are the few sites that google has yet uo buy up |
| 14:44.37 | joeyjones | *to |
| 14:44.42 | joeyjones | :p |
| 14:54.57 | Disconnect | tauno: where is that? |
| 14:55.14 | Disconnect | is in a sunny 34 degree (1C) day and its still warming up |
| 14:56.24 | Disconnect | guess its time for v2 of the writeup. before someone submits it to slashdot or some such and my server gets hammered flat. |
| 14:57.39 | mikey| | is it not possible to correct to a mail server with a self signed cert with g1 email? |
| 14:57.54 | jbq | not in the current version. |
| 14:58.02 | mikey| | :| |
| 14:58.05 | sparkle | mikey|: not unless you edit the keys file yourself |
| 14:58.11 | mikey| | how can i do that? |
| 14:58.14 | sparkle | and add a cert authority |
| 14:58.20 | sparkle | do you have root on the handset? |
| 14:58.26 | mikey| | dont think so |
| 14:58.34 | mikey| | i did a ota system update |
| 14:58.57 | Disconnect | mikey|: it is possible. you set "ssl if available" and it'll accept any key |
| 14:59.04 | mikey| | hmm |
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| 14:59.28 | Disconnect | harder to sniff, but still subject to MITM attacks (it doesn't store/verify the cert) |
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| 15:01.00 | mikey| | gotta have to try it later |
| 15:01.04 | mikey| | bye |
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| 15:01.21 | sparkle | Disconnect: i don't believe that it will accept self-signed keys |
| 15:01.28 | sparkle | but i'm not sure, that's just what i've heard |
| 15:01.58 | Disconnect | ...yes, it will. it just doesn't verify them - encryption happens, but nothing prevents someone from stepping in between and pretending to be the server |
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| 15:03.13 | sparkle | well, yes - it was my impression that on the g1, the CA was cross referenced against /system/etc/security/cacerts.bks |
| 15:03.28 | sparkle | but if that's not an issue then great |
| 15:14.48 | Disconnect | it is. you can't get -verified- connections. you can get it to connect -anyway- (accepting any cert at all) by setting "if available" |
| 15:17.55 | joeyjones | since i;ve been idling in this chan there has been atleast 2 security issues mentioned every day :p |
| 15:18.08 | Disconnect | they are basically repeats |
| 15:18.19 | joeyjones | not all of them |
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| 15:52.18 | mpardo | do i need to escape ampersands in Toast strings? |
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| 15:53.34 | Alien_Freak | hey guys.. is there anyway to load data onto the android for linux? I have it connected via usb, but don't see any external device or equivalent that I can mount |
| 15:53.50 | sparkle | do you just want to copy to the sdcard? |
| 15:54.36 | Alien_Freak | yah... I was actually just wanting to upload some wallpapers/musci.. though I haven't put in an SD card yet... that probably does help... |
| 15:54.43 | sparkle | heh yeah |
| 15:54.52 | tauno | mpardo, I don't think so |
| 15:54.59 | Leeds | the device is somewhat crippled without an SD card |
| 15:55.30 | sparkle | i like my Adata 8gb class 6 - fast and cheap |
| 15:55.31 | mpardo | my toast messages are getting truncated when they encounter an ampersand (&) |
| 15:56.02 | tauno | mpardo, smells like a bug to me :( |
| 15:56.15 | mpardo | lol with my app or with android? |
| 15:56.17 | Leeds | I just got a 4GB... cheap enough to be un-noticeable |
| 15:56.25 | sparkle | nods |
| 15:57.05 | sparkle | if you have a chunk of unix userland out on the card...a raw ext2 partition is noticably faster than doing a loopback image within /sdcard, btw |
| 15:57.06 | Alien_Freak | now where do I put the SD card in.. is that by the battery? |
| 15:57.10 | tauno | mpardo, with android, if you are sure that it's just the & sign that breaks the rendering |
| 15:57.19 | mpardo | i'll debug |
| 15:57.30 | sparkle | Alien_Freak: slide open the display, and look on the right side facing you |
| 15:57.38 | sparkle | there's a tiny panel there that pops out |
| 15:58.05 | TiberiumX | Yeah, that's tough to find. |
| 15:59.02 | Alien_Freak | oh, micro SD.. that's different |
| 15:59.07 | Alien_Freak | got it.. it seems i have a 1gb one |
| 15:59.23 | Leeds | yeah, you should get one with the phone |
| 15:59.26 | TiberiumX | Yeah, comes with one. |
| 15:59.29 | sparkle | nods |
| 15:59.43 | Alien_Freak | back to my original question.. how do i put stuff on the sd card? |
| 15:59.52 | sparkle | you may need to go to the menu and say "unmount" |
| 16:00.06 | sparkle | i think the behavior changed slightly with firmware versions |
| 16:00.18 | Leeds | plug the phone in... if you've got a recent build, you'll get a notification which will let you choose to export the card over USB as a mass storage device |
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| 16:00.20 | sparkle | then it'll give you a notification in the top bar asking if you want to let the pc have it |
| 16:00.25 | sparkle | yeah |
| 16:01.16 | Alien_Freak | that's just.. too easy.. feels like cheating |
| 16:01.42 | Alien_Freak | you mean.. I don't have to spend 3 weeks researching this..and figure out how to reverse engineer this stuff in order to copy data to it? *gasp* wth .. i feel cheated |
| 16:01.57 | sparkle | it's ok, this thing is annoying enough as it is :) |
| 16:02.13 | sparkle | but overall i'm pretty happy |
| 16:02.24 | Alien_Freak | same |
| 16:02.26 | TiberiumX | Haha, my brother was having that problem recently with his LG Dare. I really hate phone manufacturers. |
| 16:02.38 | Alien_Freak | so.. wallpapers go in the Camera folder? |
| 16:03.03 | Leeds | I think they go whereever you like and the picture list will find them - it's pretty unstructured as far as the directory layout goes |
| 16:03.29 | Alien_Freak | oh.. that's good |
| 16:03.42 | TiberiumX | I guess it scans when it remounts the SD? |
| 16:03.42 | Alien_Freak | ipod has a tendancy to delete stuff I don't put in the right place... and get angry at me |
| 16:04.31 | Leeds | this ain't an ipod :-) |
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| 16:05.18 | ironfroggy_ | Leeds: you're everywhere! |
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| 16:05.43 | Leeds | everywhere you want to be :-) |
| 16:06.04 | sparkle | mm |
| 16:06.40 | ironfroggy_ | you're mastercard? |
| 16:06.48 | sparkle | so are some others here working on regrooving stuff on the handset with root? |
| 16:10.04 | ironfroggy_ | i want tethering. i know thats a broken record but dammit i need it. |
| 16:10.13 | Leeds | infobot: tethering |
| 16:10.14 | infobot | tethering is, like, http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/515 |
| 16:11.03 | ironfroggy_ | the bot is a highschool girl? |
| 16:11.16 | Leeds | infobot: tell ironfroggy_ about Leeds |
| 16:12.06 | ironfroggy_ | wtf |
| 16:12.37 | sparkle | ironfroggy_: do you want it over wifi or bluetooth? |
| 16:12.56 | Leeds | ironfroggy_: some of that is true... |
| 16:15.31 | ironfroggy_ | sparkle: which is possible/easiest? |
| 16:15.41 | ironfroggy_ | more importantly, which takes less battery power? |
| 16:15.56 | sparkle | they're both fairly comparable |
| 16:16.01 | sparkle | in terms of "how easy" |
| 16:16.02 | sparkle | both take root |
| 16:16.10 | sparkle | battery power i have no idea |
| 16:16.19 | ironfroggy_ | i tried the socks option a week ago and had no luck |
| 16:16.28 | sparkle | yeah that was a pretty hackish hack |
| 16:17.51 | sparkle | i have the wifi tether script fired out of a cgi, launched by lighttpd |
| 16:18.02 | sparkle | it's cheesy but it lets me turn it on from one tap on the desktop |
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| 16:20.02 | ironfroggy_ | i still havent set up the sdk. does any of this require i go through that first? |
| 16:20.57 | Leeds | I assume you have root? |
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| 16:25.00 | ironfroggy_ | i have rc30 and i downloaded the sudo and terminal apps but havent dont anything with them yet |
| 16:25.20 | Leeds | what sudo app? |
| 16:25.32 | sparkle | do you have patched rc30? |
| 16:25.38 | sparkle | or the rc30 that was sent ota? |
| 16:27.38 | Leeds | ironfroggy_: there is no known exploit - not known to me, anyway :-) - for the 'official' rc30... there is a patched developer-friendly rc30, but if you didn't install that, you probably don't have root on your own device |
| 16:28.26 | ironfroggy_ | ok i didnt know the situation, like i said. |
| 16:28.29 | ironfroggy_ | i just installed and never used it. |
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| 16:28.52 | Leeds | you probably can't use it now |
| 16:29.13 | ironfroggy_ | i can wait for a "legit" app |
| 16:29.52 | sparkle | hopefully you won't have to wait a long time |
| 16:30.00 | sparkle | the g1 is pretty well locked down as of rc30 |
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| 16:37.12 | loke_ | any news on any coming android phone which is not limited/locked down? |
| 16:37.46 | Versed | I just here rumors. |
| 16:37.48 | ironfroggy_ | im thinking of getting another line on my plan with a phone that has known unlocked or unlockable bluetooth modem support |
| 16:37.59 | Versed | hear |
| 16:38.22 | loke_ | ironfroggy_: "unlocked bluetooth modem support"? wouldn't that be pretty much any phone except the iphone? |
| 16:38.45 | Leeds | a lot of phones in the US are crippled by the network which sells them |
| 16:39.20 | loke_ | Leeds: well yeah, I heard that... but most of those phones are also available unlocked from any third-party vendor, yes? |
| 16:39.25 | Versed | yes |
| 16:39.29 | sparkle | yeah |
| 16:39.30 | Versed | and one can debrand. |
| 16:39.32 | sparkle | i loved my old nokia 9300 |
| 16:39.39 | Versed | I have an att tilt. |
| 16:39.46 | Leeds | yes, as long as you're willing to pay the full retail price |
| 16:39.49 | sparkle | slow and clunky but it never got in your way |
| 16:39.57 | Versed | it runs the stock kaiser 6.1 w.w.e |
| 16:39.58 | loke_ | Leeds: well yeah, but that's a given |
| 16:40.22 | loke_ | (although here, even the discounted phones are unlocked. I think it's by law since even the iphone is sold that way here) |
| 16:40.24 | Leeds | but people are mislead by the $199 iPhone into thinking they can actually buy a phone for that price, so when someone tries to charge $400+ for one, they get unhappy |
| 16:40.39 | Leeds | and it's not like you get a discount on your monthly fees if you bring your own phone, right? |
| 16:40.48 | loke_ | Leeds: you do |
| 16:40.49 | ironfroggy_ | well i specifically want one i can get that will work easily with my existing tmobile account |
| 16:40.52 | loke_ | Leeds: why wouldn't you? |
| 16:41.04 | Versed | you don't have to sign a contract if you bring your own phone. |
| 16:41.06 | loke_ | you get a discount on the phone if you sign up for a certain number of months |
| 16:41.08 | Versed | or buy one outright. |
| 16:41.16 | loke_ | ya |
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| 16:41.20 | joeyjones | is it possible to get 2 phones setup to the same account? |
| 16:41.27 | Versed | I paid for the g1 and going month to month |
| 16:41.28 | tauno | why not.. |
| 16:41.37 | sparkle | it depends on what you mean by "same account" |
| 16:41.51 | Versed | most carriers allow up to 5 lines on the same account. |
| 16:41.52 | Leeds | Versed: and are you paying $15-$20 less per month than if you'd signed up for a contract? |
| 16:41.59 | joeyjones | like one basic phone and a ppc setup for the same contract/account |
| 16:42.00 | mikey| | Disconnect: your idea about the ssl options worked, thanks :) |
| 16:42.05 | Versed | no leeds same price. |
| 16:42.26 | Versed | but, don't intend to stay with them for more then a month or two. |
| 16:42.27 | Leeds | Versed: so my point stands - you don't save money on your monthly by bringing your own phone |
| 16:42.41 | Versed | gonna unlock and use on my att line. |
| 16:42.41 | Leeds | loke_: where are you? |
| 16:42.44 | Versed | yes leeds. |
| 16:42.48 | loke_ | Leeds: Singapore |
| 16:42.53 | sparkle | on the other hand you're not beholden to a cell co, and that's worth at least something |
| 16:43.00 | Versed | its worth alot. |
| 16:43.08 | Leeds | ah, another one! I haven't been to Singapore for, oh, 5 days now :-) |
| 16:43.21 | loke_ | Leeds: another one? I spoke to you before, didn't I? |
| 16:43.23 | Leeds | I heard the G1 was a lot more expensive in Singapore than here in Hong Kong |
| 16:43.31 | sparkle | twiddles vm parameters |
| 16:43.31 | Leeds | pokes eugene |
| 16:43.34 | Versed | I paid $399US |
| 16:43.35 | xsdg | oh, cool. I have a good friend who's in Singapore for work |
| 16:43.37 | loke_ | Leeds: I haven't seen the g1 here at all |
| 16:44.01 | Leeds | eugene told me they were going for something like 40% more than here |
| 16:44.04 | loke_ | Leeds: I'm willing to buy one when it becomes available though |
| 16:44.49 | loke_ | Leeds: hmm, yeah... they probably have it if I head over to Lucky Plaza. They sell all sorts of stuff there. That's where I bought my PS3 back when it was only released in the US and HK |
| 16:45.02 | Leeds | I got mine at the equivalent place in HK |
| 16:45.17 | Leeds | grey import T-Mobile US one |
| 16:45.37 | sparkle | does 3g work over there leeds? |
| 16:45.48 | loke_ | Leeds: maybe I should go over there again. They have a tendency to try to rip you off if you don't know exactly what you want to buy |
| 16:45.57 | Versed | it has euro spec 2100 |
| 16:46.08 | loke_ | but I got both my PS3, my PSP and my Nokia E61 (back when it was completely new) there |
| 16:46.14 | loke_ | and they all still work :-) |
| 16:46.41 | Leeds | sparkle: I haven't really tried it, but there's no reason why it shouldn't |
| 16:46.55 | Leeds | I have a nice cheap unlimited EDGE/GPRS+wifi contract :-) |
| 16:47.00 | loke_ | Leeds: HK is well covered by HSDPA right? |
| 16:47.02 | sparkle | nods |
| 16:47.09 | Leeds | loke_: yup, AFAIK |
| 16:47.17 | loke_ | Leeds: EDGE? wtf? |
| 16:47.18 | loke_ | why? |
| 16:47.21 | sparkle | i can't believe i'm rnuning lmbench on a phone :p |
| 16:47.41 | sparkle | loke_: i actually find it surprisingly useful over EDGE |
| 16:47.42 | loke_ | here, pretty much the entire country is blankeded by HSDPA coverage. It's very nice |
| 16:47.43 | Alien_Freak | so.. i have a question.. i saw some howto where they install debian on the G1 and get root etc on the phone. I presume that makes the g1 useless as a phone... |
| 16:47.48 | sparkle | in fact i think it's the fastest EDGE handset i've ever used |
| 16:47.52 | sparkle | Alien_Freak: no |
| 16:47.58 | Leeds | because it costs about US$15 a month for unlimited use - and yeah, the EDGE works pretty well |
| 16:48.02 | sparkle | it doesn't change the phone experience part of it at all |
| 16:48.16 | sparkle | you're just grafting on additional packages, not replacing anything |
| 16:48.16 | Alien_Freak | wait.. so I can install a full debian system with root and everything..and still have a working phone? |
| 16:48.20 | sparkle | da |
| 16:48.20 | mikey| | can you browse the net via the pc when the g1 is connected to a pc? |
| 16:48.34 | loke_ | Leeds: I pay about 70 SGD for unlimited HSDPA |
| 16:48.50 | sparkle | janet@janetsbrick:~$ uname -a |
| 16:48.50 | sparkle | Linux janetsbrick 2.6.25-01843-gfea26b0 #21 PREEMPT Mon Nov 17 02:32:09 UTC 2008 armv6l GNU/Linux |
| 16:48.52 | loke_ | Leeds: including unlimited access at all the Wireless@SG WLAN hotspots (of which there are plenty) |
| 16:48.53 | sparkle | janet@janetsbrick:~$ gcc -v |
| 16:48.56 | Leeds | that's HK$350 - I pay $115 or so |
| 16:48.56 | sparkle | gcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1) |
| 16:48.57 | sparkle | :) |
| 16:49.01 | Leeds | wireless@SG is free anyway :-P |
| 16:49.11 | loke_ | Leeds: only crippled |
| 16:49.18 | Leeds | fine for a tourist like me... |
| 16:49.26 | sparkle | Alien_Freak: think of android as a fairly standard linux kernel with some extra drivers, and a very stripped down userland |
| 16:49.31 | loke_ | Leeds: without an account, you only get slow access (512 kb/s I believe) |
| 16:49.40 | Leeds | anyway, my HK$115 also includes unlimited use of my mobile network's wifi |
| 16:49.43 | sparkle | if you graft on a more full featured userland, most things just work |
| 16:49.56 | sparkle | but there's no direct access to the display or audio hardware sorted yet |
| 16:49.59 | Leeds | I could get unlimited HSDPA for about the same amount, to be honest |
| 16:50.05 | loke_ | then again, I have another HSDPA dongle for my Mac Air. :-) so there is little point of ever having to bother with WLAN |
| 16:50.27 | Leeds | anyway, it's almost 1am, and both of us should probably be in bed! |
| 16:50.45 | loke_ | HSDPA is pretty much the same speed as WLAN, so there is no point of having WLAN support on a phone here |
| 16:51.01 | loke_ | Leeds: true... work tomorrow |
| 16:51.08 | Leeds | payday tomorrow :-D |
| 16:52.03 | loke_ | was today for me |
| 16:52.05 | loke_ | :-) |
| 16:52.25 | loke_ | btw... one of the hotels in Mumbai was the one I usually stay at |
| 16:52.33 | Leeds | also, if I'm really lucky, I might hear from immigration tomorrow about getting me a new visa |
| 16:52.40 | loke_ | I was originally planning to go again in a couple of weeks |
| 16:52.47 | Leeds | damn :-( |
| 16:54.33 | loke_ | ya |
| 16:54.39 | loke_ | new visa for HK? |
| 16:54.53 | Leeds | yeah |
| 16:55.23 | loke_ | what kind of visa do you have? |
| 16:55.30 | loke_ | you have been there for a few years, right? |
| 16:55.37 | Leeds | yeah, but I've been in and out of work |
| 16:56.18 | loke_ | and now? |
| 16:56.36 | Leeds | I'm waiting for a visa |
| 16:56.45 | loke_ | but do you have a job? |
| 16:56.55 | loke_ | if I lose my job, I lose my permit... |
| 16:57.04 | Leeds | of course not! I don't have a visa, so I don't have a job |
| 16:57.06 | mikey| | whats with the spam on android groups? |
| 16:57.09 | Leeds | however, tomorrow is payday |
| 16:57.13 | loke_ | I think I'll apply for a permament residency. then I don't have to worry about that |
| 16:57.40 | Leeds | I've applied for a non-job-related residency... but the paperwork is a nightmare |
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| 16:58.34 | loke_ | bureocracy? |
| 16:58.48 | Leeds | points-based - 20 points for a bachelor's degree, 10 points for speaking English, 30 points for being under 40, etc. |
| 16:59.01 | loke_ | argh |
| 16:59.02 | loke_ | silly |
| 16:59.16 | Leeds | why? |
| 16:59.42 | loke_ | because those points doesn't reflect the truth |
| 16:59.45 | Leeds | the problem is proving my qualifications - and in particular, proving my 'financial stability' - in other words, you have to prove you could live without either a job or government money |
| 16:59.46 | Leeds | why not? |
| 17:00.11 | loke_ | Leeds: well, degree for example. |
| 17:00.27 | Leeds | what about it? |
| 17:00.45 | loke_ | why should it matter what your degree was if it's 15 years ago and you work with something completely different now? |
| 17:01.29 | Leeds | you can also include professional qualifications |
| 17:01.55 | Leeds | they don't care what your degree is in, as long as you have one |
| 17:02.18 | Leeds | they *do* care how much professional experience you've had, and at what level of seniority |
| 17:02.29 | Leeds | this is a relatively small program, separate from the regular work visa |
| 17:03.03 | loke_ | well, it's just a pet feeve of mine, since I never graduated myself |
| 17:03.20 | loke_ | I have worked my way to the position I have |
| 17:03.21 | Leeds | then you wouldn't qualify for this program |
| 17:03.39 | loke_ | ...which is why it's silly, since I'm much more qualified than most people who do qualify :-) |
| 17:03.49 | Leeds | you might be able to qualify for a regular work visa, if you can show you have enough experience to make up for it |
| 17:04.04 | loke_ | I would |
| 17:04.28 | Leeds | I have no idea how old you are... but if you are less than, say, 35, I would guess they'd probably refuse you |
| 17:04.35 | loke_ | 15 years, and various leader positions |
| 17:04.45 | Leeds | you're 15? no chance then :-P |
| 17:04.51 | loke_ | I'm 35 |
| 17:04.54 | loke_ | 15 years experience |
| 17:04.56 | Leeds | borderline |
| 17:05.08 | Leeds | I've got 10 years experience and I wouldn't expect to qualify |
| 17:05.15 | loke_ | interesting |
| 17:05.46 | loke_ | here they seem to go very much on your salary... I think they have the opinion thta if the employer thinks you're worth that much, then they're ok with it :-) |
| 17:05.56 | Leeds | of course it's an over-generalisation, but if they have to deal with thousands, tends of thousands of applicants, they need to control things somehow |
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| 17:06.18 | Leeds | yeah, salary is a factor as well - if you're earning less than around $20k (SG$4k or so) they won't look at you |
| 17:06.29 | loke_ | Leeds: :-) |
| 17:06.45 | loke_ | Leeds: I earn significantly more than that :-) |
| 17:06.55 | Leeds | anyway, my point is that the particular scheme I've applied under has certain criteria |
| 17:06.59 | Leeds | so do I, of course |
| 17:07.35 | loke_ | they're holding back a bit on the bonuses this year though |
| 17:07.37 | VersedG1 | well good luck |
| 17:07.55 | loke_ | I guess I should be happy my employer pays any at all this year, given the market conditions |
| 17:08.12 | Leeds | as I said, you also need to prove you have access to enough money to survive for a year with no job or government support - that's a non-trivial qualification as well |
| 17:08.36 | loke_ | Leeds: how? by showing them the bank account? |
| 17:08.43 | Leeds | yup |
| 17:08.44 | VersedG1 | ouch |
| 17:09.06 | Leeds | or in my case, a title deed to my flat in London, a recent valuation, a mortgage statement, and a copy of my contract of sale from when I bought it |
| 17:09.15 | loke_ | Leeds: well, leveing in a place like HK, that should be doable... you need that much savings anyway to cover for unforseen situations |
| 17:09.17 | Leeds | that's the sort of thing I mean by nightmare paperwork |
| 17:09.42 | loke_ | ya |
| 17:09.47 | loke_ | I can see that |
| 17:10.08 | Leeds | it doesn't have to be liquid cash, just assets you could liquidate if you needed food money |
| 17:11.02 | loke_ | right now, cash feels good :-) (I lost quite a bit on the stock market, thankyouverymuch) |
| 17:11.21 | Leeds | I've got property in London... probably down 20% or so from peak... |
| 17:11.38 | loke_ | Leeds: that'll come back up though |
| 17:11.50 | loke_ | my apple stock... perhaps not as fast |
| 17:11.51 | Leeds | hope so |
| 17:11.55 | Leeds | ah |
| 17:12.03 | Leeds | I have some Sun stock from when I worked there :-) |
| 17:12.14 | loke_ | I don't... thank god :-) |
| 17:12.29 | VersedG1 | well i here ya my retirement accounts are ikking |
| 17:12.43 | loke_ | when I quit they offered me options to stay |
| 17:13.01 | loke_ | hah... they were proven to be completely worthless just a few months later when the stock really tanked |
| 17:13.05 | Leeds | where? |
| 17:13.14 | loke_ | Leeds: sun |
| 17:13.22 | Leeds | oh! in .sg? |
| 17:13.39 | loke_ | Leeds: No. Stockholm, where I'm originally from |
| 17:14.29 | Leeds | hmm... I did bump into one or two Swedes, I think... |
| 17:14.43 | Leeds | eh, more than 3.5 years since I was laid off |
| 17:14.59 | Leeds | I had options, I don't think any of them were ever above water |
| 17:15.17 | loke_ | Leeds: I quit myself, but I wanted to rejoin after about 9 months... but then they had stopped all new hirings |
| 17:15.33 | Leeds | and they're still laying off now |
| 17:15.40 | loke_ | yep |
| 17:15.48 | loke_ | I got out at the right time |
| 17:16.03 | loke_ | kinda sad though. it was really a fantastic place to work |
| 17:16.11 | Leeds | it was |
| 17:16.37 | Leeds | anyway, really time for bed now |
| 17:16.53 | loke_ | ya, it is |
| 17:17.58 | Leeds | g'night |
| 17:18.06 | loke_ | good night |
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| 17:27.56 | cipher__ | hi all |
| 17:28.10 | cipher__ | i am using O2 ATOM LIFE |
| 17:28.28 | cipher__ | it is using an Xscale processor based on ARM |
| 17:28.49 | cipher__ | and i had sucessfully cross compiled it for ARM |
| 17:29.12 | cipher__ | though i was wonder if there is any documentation to bootstrap it on that phone |
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| 17:32.10 | cipher__ | usuually the image for WM6 is one file |
| 17:32.45 | cipher__ | but the android comes with 3 files..system.img, ramdisk.img and userinfo.img |
| 17:34.13 | Versed | might want to ask those guys on xda-dev.com |
| 17:34.50 | vol_ | look at the boot script in the root dir on the emulator |
| 17:36.48 | KNY | hey guys, what could cause an uninstall to fail? |
| 17:36.54 | cipher__ | init.rc? |
| 17:37.26 | vol_ | cipher__: Maybe. There's a script in the root dir, at least on the emulator, saying how the system boots itself |
| 17:37.31 | vol_ | I don't remember the name, though |
| 17:37.37 | vol_ | and don't have an emulator running (or my phone hooked up) |
| 17:38.35 | cipher__ | on the emulator it works fine |
| 17:38.58 | cipher__ | but just hoping it'll work on the real h/w |
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| 17:39.54 | cipher__ | now the root directory is compressed into system.img |
| 17:41.15 | cipher__ | along with the binary and applications |
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| 17:52.13 | budwaa | Keep getting an error from eclipse sdk "annotations are only available if source level is 1.5" This is using some of the android demo code...Some kind of java version issue? |
| 17:52.53 | synalx | you need to set the source level of your project to 1.5 |
| 17:53.51 | budwaa | nice one |
| 17:54.18 | warren | Hmm, anyone know the difference between T-Mobile's $25 and $35/mo data plans? |
| 17:54.43 | Versed | 25 is 400 texts, 35 is unlimited texts |
| 17:54.48 | warren | The $25/mo says 400 text msgs or e-mails. I'm guessing that is e-mails if you use THEIR e-mail? |
| 17:55.20 | Versed | I assume. |
| 17:55.33 | Versed | wonder if it counts the gmail ones? or is that over on the data side |
| 17:55.35 | Versed | ? |
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| 17:55.45 | languish | it doesn't count the gmail |
| 17:55.55 | Versed | thanks |
| 17:56.00 | languish | id does count any IM other than gtalk |
| 17:56.07 | languish | id/it |
| 17:56.24 | Versed | unless you use another client |
| 17:56.33 | Versed | which uses the net. |
| 17:56.43 | languish | yes when one is available. |
| 17:56.59 | warren | I would assume they would try to prevent you from loading alternative clients? |
| 17:57.04 | languish | nope. |
| 17:57.08 | Versed | nope |
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| 17:57.12 | warren | hmm |
| 17:57.26 | Versed | I thought I saw some in the market |
| 17:57.28 | warren | How durable is that HTC phone? HTC has been pretty scary in the past. |
| 17:57.56 | languish | don't assume. android is an experiment. Just be aware the current skype app in the market, uses minutes. |
| 17:57.59 | Versed | well, I have an att tilt, doesn't seem near as well made. but honestly it can be perception over reality. |
| 17:58.04 | languish | (it's not called skype, I forget the name) |
| 17:58.07 | warren | I guess my main problem is 1 year left on my Sprint Treo 700p contract. $200 to break the contract even if there is 1 month left. =( |
| 17:58.30 | Versed | try to get someone to take over your contract. |
| 17:58.41 | Versed | there is a website for that. |
| 17:58.52 | Versed | if its a sero plan, you will have no problems. |
| 17:58.59 | warren | sero? |
| 17:59.40 | warren | I realized that I'm paying $22/mo for data and insurance with Sprint, and I never used either. |
| 17:59.50 | warren | The Treo is so terrible |
| 17:59.58 | synalx | can you get insurance through t-mobile? |
| 18:00.07 | Versed | yes |
| 18:00.12 | languish | synalx, yes.. but consider if it's really worth it. |
| 18:00.23 | languish | there's a deductable |
| 18:00.24 | Versed | but its $4.99 per month, and $120 for replacement |
| 18:00.27 | languish | read the info on the plan |
| 18:00.34 | warren | $120? |
| 18:00.36 | Versed | yes |
| 18:00.37 | Damm | warren, i dropped my G1 5feet and all that happened was the battery cover popped off... put it back on and no damage |
| 18:00.37 | synalx | oh, yeah, then totally not worth it |
| 18:00.50 | Versed | I just got mine a few days ago, the salesperson went over it. |
| 18:00.53 | Versed | its not worth it. |
| 18:01.00 | Versed | better of taking ones chances. |
| 18:01.09 | warren | $120 no matter how the damage was caused? |
| 18:01.12 | Versed | seeing, you have a 1 year warrenty anyway |
| 18:01.18 | synalx | well, replacing it yourself... |
| 18:01.22 | Versed | accidental is included |
| 18:01.26 | synalx | would be $180, correct? |
| 18:01.27 | warren | other companies are $0 unless they prove it was physical or liquid, then $50 |
| 18:01.33 | Damm | if it's stolen and you replace it yourself it's 499$ |
| 18:01.38 | Damm | or whatever the G1 is without a contract |
| 18:01.43 | Versed | $400 |
| 18:01.46 | synalx | why without a contract? |
| 18:01.47 | Versed | well 399 |
| 18:01.48 | warren | synalx: I dunno, the price seems to be $400 without the subsidy |
| 18:02.02 | Damm | because your old contract stands |
| 18:02.06 | Damm | and is not canceled |
| 18:02.09 | Versed | I bought mine off contract, month to month. |
| 18:02.20 | Damm | unless t-mobile is willing to let you extend your contract and subsidize it |
| 18:02.22 | synalx | i got my g1 at $180 on my old t-mobile contract |
| 18:02.27 | Damm | that's per customer service basis |
| 18:02.34 | Damm | synalx, right because you were up for a renewal? |
| 18:02.37 | synalx | nope |
| 18:02.42 | Damm | then you signed a new contract |
| 18:02.44 | synalx | i think i had like 9 months left on a 2-year |
| 18:02.46 | Damm | you may not be aware of it |
| 18:02.49 | Damm | yes |
| 18:02.50 | warren | Damm: did you get a free unlock code? searching online it seems tmobile will unlock after 90 days for free. |
| 18:03.05 | Damm | you can sign a new contract after 1year (on a 2year) |
| 18:03.08 | Damm | 6months on a 1year |
| 18:03.08 | synalx | ahh |
| 18:03.16 | Damm | you signed a NEW contract. |
| 18:03.36 | Damm | warren, i didn't buy mine contract free, but if you do... supposidly they give it to you immediately. |
| 18:03.38 | warren | You now owe them two of your first newborns. |
| 18:03.50 | warren | Damm: ooh |
| 18:04.13 | Versed | Some guy on the efnet #android got his for $198 at walmart for a one year contract. |
| 18:04.34 | warren | Versed: with tmobile? |
| 18:04.37 | Versed | yes |
| 18:05.37 | synalx | Damm: yeah, i know, my new contract is 2 years from the purchase date of my g1 |
| 18:06.13 | Versed | I plan on, in a few months using it on at&t |
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| 18:07.00 | warren | Hmm, my monthly rate for the rest of the year contract can go to $38/mo if I cancel insurance and data which I never use. Then after 7 months the cost of canceling Sprint early is equal to what I would pay them for the rest of the contract, so I could get a G1. |
| 18:07.15 | warren | Perhaps by then there will be more Android phones on the market? |
| 18:07.24 | Versed | I have an aircard through sprint. |
| 18:07.27 | warren | Versed: AT&T's network is better? |
| 18:07.31 | Versed | it is very good. |
| 18:07.31 | synalx | or just wait for Sprint to change their TOS |
| 18:07.40 | synalx | and cancel your contract without fee |
| 18:07.46 | Versed | I would tell you but don't wantr to get into a carrier war. |
| 18:07.49 | warren | synalx: what is the chance of that? |
| 18:07.56 | synalx | cell phone companies do it all the time |
| 18:08.00 | Versed | its contract is done in april |
| 18:08.41 | Versed | when, it does, att's teethering on bb is only $10 bux then what I spend now, and this area is all 3g hsdpa. |
| 18:08.54 | Versed | my other phone is a bold. |
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| 18:09.02 | Versed | btw, its 3g for tmo too. |
| 18:09.15 | synalx | t-mobile is a really good company in the areas they cover |
| 18:09.24 | warren | Is there an official tethering app? I saw something crappy that is only a SOCKS proxy. |
| 18:09.24 | synalx | they just don't have coverage in the boonies like verizon/at&t do |
| 18:09.31 | warren | no NAT or PPP |
| 18:09.38 | synalx | no true tethering yet |
| 18:09.52 | synalx | that relies on the Bluetooth API that's still being worked on |
| 18:10.04 | Damm | someone got bluetooth pan working on their G1 |
| 18:10.05 | warren | I haven't been following android news so much. Is it clear if any non-G1 Androids are coming in the next 7 months? |
| 18:10.06 | Damm | course it required root |
| 18:10.13 | Versed | too bad my e71 doesn't have 1700 umts, because, nokia's tether real easy |
| 18:10.25 | Damm | Versed, wouldn't matter you need AWS support |
| 18:10.33 | Versed | right damn |
| 18:10.39 | Damm | even if your phone supports the frequency, without AWS it's pointless. |
| 18:10.44 | synalx | yeah, anything until that bluetooth api is out |
| 18:10.49 | synalx | will just be a hack |
| 18:10.50 | Versed | warren sprint is in with the android foundation |
| 18:10.52 | synalx | and not mass-market |
| 18:10.55 | Versed | I would assume they would get something |
| 18:11.03 | warren | hm |
| 18:11.11 | Damm | no one's pushing out an android for like a year or so? |
| 18:11.15 | Damm | i forget |
| 18:11.21 | Damm | maybe 6-8months before AT&T gets theirs |
| 18:11.22 | warren | Sprint's network is pretty dire in the boonies |
| 18:11.25 | Damm | and AT&T says they want it to be more open |
| 18:11.53 | Versed | at&t joined the symbian foundation. |
| 18:11.54 | sparkle | warren, if you have root |
| 18:12.00 | sparkle | you can tether over wifi or bluetooth |
| 18:12.08 | Versed | and getting stuff like an e71 an other nokia symbian phones. |
| 18:12.27 | sparkle | Disconnect got the bt module working |
| 18:12.42 | Versed | damn, I bet longer then 8 months, unless you get something on the unlocked market. |
| 18:12.47 | languish | infobot bluetooth |
| 18:12.48 | infobot | well, bluetooth is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Is%20anyone%20working%20on%20Bluetooth%20for%203870 or at http://dnsv6.iihe.ac.be/iPAQGPRSv6/BtConfig.html .. and you might wanna take a look at http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-Mobile-Phone, or at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/chan_btp+%E2%80%94+Bluetooth+Presence+Tutorial |
| 18:12.57 | warren | I rather not rely on jail breaking that will only be blocked by an over-the-air update |
| 18:14.00 | sparkle | the point is, you don't accept the ota updates |
| 18:14.01 | sparkle | shrugs |
| 18:14.10 | Damm | thing is rooting your phone you can turn off ota updates |
| 18:14.15 | Damm | and then manually update your phone |
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| 18:14.27 | Damm | once you start installing the kernel/etc from the source tree, you are OTA free |
| 18:14.31 | sparkle | if you're comfortable with unix, i'd say do it |
| 18:14.32 | sparkle | but |
| 18:14.36 | sparkle | if you just want a phone |
| 18:14.41 | sparkle | it may be easier not to |
| 18:14.48 | Damm | if you just wanted a phone, wtf did you buy a G1 for? |
| 18:14.51 | Lieutenant | so there was this one black kid right? |
| 18:14.59 | Lieutenant | he had called 911 because his mom was being murdered |
| 18:15.07 | Lieutenant | and the cops thought he was pranking them so ignored the boy |
| 18:15.13 | sparkle | damm, honestly, i don't think of the g1 as a very capable "smartphone" as is |
| 18:15.16 | Lieutenant | he called a second time, they still ignoredhim |
| 18:15.43 | Lieutenant | then finally the boy was crying soo hard on the 3rd time, that the 911 people decided to comply |
| 18:15.51 | Lieutenant | when they got to the boys house, his mom was dead. |
| 18:15.56 | sparkle | being able to work on it as a unix system turns it from a locked down toy to a very useful tool for me |
| 18:15.58 | Lieutenant | i dont know why i told u that story, but yeah. |
| 18:15.59 | sparkle | shrugs |
| 18:16.03 | Lieutenant | how's ur day been? |
| 18:16.44 | Versed | hey lieut |
| 18:16.51 | Versed | getting ready to go out. |
| 18:17.01 | Versed | to the irc ap loaded on he g1 ok. |
| 18:17.02 | Damm | sparkle, works just fine for me for what i want... text messages, email, im... occasional terminal, and consolebot |
| 18:17.15 | synalx | i really think that the whole "root the phone" and "deny OTA updates" philosopy is the wrong idea |
| 18:17.41 | warren | sparkle: I'm very comfortable with Linux. I however want something that is completely open, and changes that I make can go upstream back into official builds, so it isn't a PITA later to maintain when I don't feel like hacking it. |
| 18:18.07 | sparkle | what's "completely open" mean |
| 18:18.15 | Lieutenant | cool! |
| 18:18.18 | sparkle | the hardware, the kernel, the userland, the apps, ? |
| 18:18.36 | Lieutenant | it means, legs spread, clothes off, and ready to wrestle. |
| 18:18.40 | warren | The phone company can't deny what I'm supposed to do on my own phone. |
| 18:18.43 | sparkle | :p |
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| 18:18.58 | Lieutenant | hey this hacking stuff isn't illegal is it? |
| 18:18.58 | Versed | no but if you hose the phone they don't have to make good on it either. |
| 18:19.05 | sparkle | then there are ten zillion handsets out there that are like that already |
| 18:19.15 | warren | like? |
| 18:19.23 | Lieutenant | hey this hacking stuff isn't illegal is it? |
| 18:19.24 | sparkle | my nokia communicators? |
| 18:19.32 | Versed | no |
| 18:19.47 | Versed | only thing illegal is to clone imei's. |
| 18:19.58 | Versed | and I guess messin with the actually radio transmission |
| 18:20.08 | Versed | actual |
| 18:20.25 | Versed | esn's if you're on he cdma side. |
| 18:20.26 | Lieutenant | but we didn't do that, right? |
| 18:20.32 | Versed | exactly |
| 18:20.38 | Lieutenant | k good. and 1 more thing |
| 18:20.41 | sparkle | Akeys versed |
| 18:20.50 | Lieutenant | if i had to return this, is there a way to change everything back? |
| 18:20.54 | sparkle | and MEIDs |
| 18:21.02 | Versed | that I have no idea. |
| 18:21.12 | Versed | there is a restore function on the phone |
| 18:21.21 | sparkle | that just clobbers userdata |
| 18:21.36 | sparkle | you can get a stock rc30 update that will overlay a hacked one |
| 18:21.41 | Versed | its not like the iphone where you can just download and reinstall the os. |
| 18:21.53 | Lieutenant | oh u can just get a stock rc30/ |
| 18:21.54 | Lieutenant | ? |
| 18:22.00 | Lieutenant | i'll do that if i return it. |
| 18:22.10 | warren | how stable is the OS and apps btw? |
| 18:22.10 | Versed | I bet they would never know. |
| 18:23.02 | Lieutenant | okay, i dont know how "leet" you guys are at hacking or whatever, but is there a way to make the volume louder? darn thing is too quiet compared to my other phones. |
| 18:23.05 | sparkle | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=451090 |
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| 18:26.19 | marix_g1 | happy tday gents |
| 18:26.35 | Versed | same to you |
| 18:26.41 | marix_g1 | infobot tday |
| 18:26.49 | Lieutenant | oh i see. |
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| 18:27.49 | Lieutenant | hey is it safe to download that droidsans program that turns the phone? |
| 18:28.09 | ultimind | Make sure you have RC30 v1.2 before you run Droidsans |
| 18:28.20 | sparkle | i wouldn't jump on something like that myself |
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| 18:28.49 | sparkle | oh awesome, i've got lmbench numbers for the g1 :) |
| 18:28.54 | sparkle | god they suck |
| 18:29.25 | ultimind | how bad? |
| 18:30.38 | sparkle | here's steams |
| 18:30.39 | sparkle | Function Rate (MB/s) Avg time Min time Max time Copy: 115.0261 0.2002 0.1391 0.3361 Scale: 56.5393 0.3716 0.2830 0.5797 Add: 63.0054 0.5778 0.3809 1.0109 Triad: 42.9369 0.8656 0.5590 1.9260 |
| 18:30.44 | sparkle | streams |
| 18:31.20 | sparkle | so it's heavily memory bandwidth constrained |
| 18:31.26 | sparkle | which i guess isn't a huge surprise |
| 18:31.28 | warren | hmm, if you used a hacked firmware with OTA disabled, you rely on 3rd parties to supply updates forever? |
| 18:31.48 | sparkle | or you roll your own |
| 18:31.52 | sparkle | but you have to ask yourself |
| 18:31.58 | sparkle | what's coming out in an update that makes it worth it |
| 18:32.02 | ultimind | I know they have to balance battery life vs. performance... but you'd think they can do better than that |
| 18:32.09 | sparkle | i'd rather be the judge of that than have an update foisted of on me |
| 18:32.31 | warren | Is there any drawback to the hacked firmware? does it lock you out from any marketplace apps? |
| 18:32.41 | warren | all updates coming from OTA are also pushed to the upstream code? |
| 18:32.56 | ultimind | Marketplace functions 100% w/ hacked firmware |
| 18:32.56 | sparkle | i'm not sure what you mean by that |
| 18:33.19 | warren | bug fixes or security fixes that you would get from OTA, are they pushed to upstream android? |
| 18:33.25 | sparkle | btw ultimind, do you run with paging at all? |
| 18:33.33 | sparkle | they come from upstream android |
| 18:33.51 | ultimind | sparkle: paging? |
| 18:34.06 | sparkle | demand paging, "swapping", etc |
| 18:34.26 | sparkle | a couple tunables seem to help a lot |
| 18:34.33 | ultimind | I'm afraid I don't quite follow you |
| 18:34.41 | ultimind | I haven't modified anything from the stock RC30 v1.2 |
| 18:34.51 | sparkle | nods |
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| 18:38.33 | warren | I assume if I get a new G1, the old root hacks wont work |
| 18:38.41 | warren | are new root exploits found regularly? |
| 18:39.13 | sparkle | none so far |
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| 18:50.44 | P2E | warren: the one that just arrived is rc29, there's hope |
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| 18:56.28 | Damm | eventually there will be post RC30 hacks |
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| 18:56.45 | Damm | it's just no one has really bothered to mess with post RC30... as RC29 was easy enough to root and stay rooted with |
| 18:57.11 | cviedmai | Hi! a fast question! when I buy software for the android, the license is just for 1 year, or forever? |
| 18:57.36 | mikey| | wouldnt that depend on the developer? |
| 18:59.30 | cviedmai | :( |
| 19:11.54 | Disconnect | warren: only 1 root hack has ever been found, actually. |
| 19:12.08 | Disconnect | and it wasn't a hack so much as it was a complete lack of any security audit |
| 19:16.14 | Damm | Disconnect, that's because no one hsa really tried. |
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| 19:16.28 | Damm | Disconnect, injecting a suid su or something like that would be worth while in update.zip |
| 19:16.28 | Disconnect | i know some people who are working on it from the reflash-devices angle. |
| 19:16.52 | Disconnect | and the updater has some gaps but exploiting them is risky |
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| 19:21.27 | mikey| | how can i add my own ringtones to the g1? |
| 19:21.40 | mikey| | and the browser accept files as homepages? |
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| 19:44.37 | mikey| | i have a html file which i want to set as my homepage, i've tried file:///sdcard/home.html and /sdcard/home.htm |
| 19:44.51 | mikey| | neither of them work, any clue how to get it to load? |
| 19:45.00 | IznastY | - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ] |
| 19:47.54 | xsdg | mikey|: the browser doesn't currently access files from the sd card (I'm not sure what the rationale is) |
| 19:48.11 | mikey| | :( |
| 19:48.29 | mikey| | i just save a html page with links to site i commonly browse |
| 19:48.34 | mikey| | did that with my pda also |
| 19:48.35 | Disconnect | probably its not "secure" |
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| 19:51.18 | Disconnect | ok i officially fucking hate this wireless implementation. its "excellent" connection and its sitting near several other devices, all of whch work. but it can't manage to stay connected for more than 5-10 seconds. (passes data just fine while connected, but then it bails - for no visible reason - and goes back to edge) fucking dumb |
| 19:51.22 | eldenz | is there a way to make the g1 vibrate on an incoming sms? (or notifications in general, fine as well) |
| 19:53.19 | budwaa | dgalert |
| 19:53.30 | budwaa | what encryption are you using? WPA2? |
| 19:54.25 | eldenz | weeeh, thanks budwaa :) |
| 19:55.06 | sparkle | disconnect, ow |
| 19:55.09 | budwaa | np |
| 19:55.26 | sparkle | i live across the street from an apartment complex of students...i can see something like a dozen ssids being broadcast |
| 19:55.37 | sparkle | makes getting reception from my own a real pain |
| 19:57.15 | eldenz | ah budwaa it's even possible in Messaging app... i just never thought there are settings as well. but dgAlert owns more (with the custom vibrate) |
| 19:57.40 | budwaa | yeah |
| 19:57.48 | budwaa | Its a guy in here that made it :D |
| 19:58.08 | budwaa | guy/girl \o/ |
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| 19:59.18 | Disconnect | budwaa: yah wpa2 |
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| 20:01.54 | jasta | yawn |
| 20:02.43 | jasta | anyone around that has worked with task affinity before? |
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| 20:08.58 | KNY | is it possible to have a ListActivity but customize the layout? |
| 20:09.01 | KNY | if that makes any sense |
| 20:09.25 | KNY | I'd like to have a button or something at the top of the list, then all the items in the list like normal |
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| 20:10.54 | romainguy | KNY: yes |
| 20:10.54 | jasta | KNY: yes, just make sure you have a listview called @android:id/list and another called @android:id/empty |
| 20:11.01 | romainguy | or you can just not use a ListActivity :) |
| 20:11.13 | KNY | romainguy, yeah, I just found ListView in the docs |
| 20:11.47 | jasta | i prefer not to use listactivity personally. i dont use it anywhere in my apps. |
| 20:12.11 | romainguy | yeah it doesn't give much |
| 20:13.44 | KNY | romainguy, what is the point of having two ListViews (one with @android:id/list and another @android:id/empty)? |
| 20:13.57 | romainguy | you should not have two listview |
| 20:14.04 | romainguy | the empty view can be anything you want |
| 20:14.10 | romainguy | it's usually a textview or imageview |
| 20:14.15 | romainguy | it's a view shown when the list is empty |
| 20:14.30 | KNY | ahh |
| 20:14.43 | eldenz | hm, wasn't there a file/text editor app? what's its name? |
| 20:15.32 | KNY | Notepad? |
| 20:16.06 | elephant | eit |
| 20:16.08 | eldenz | i mean one that can edit files on my /sdcard for example |
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| 20:16.35 | eldenz | i think it was actually a filebrowser (with support for editing files) but not Bender |
| 20:16.52 | jasta | romainguy: do you know about taskAffinity and such? having a problem i can't figure out now that i've merged my two APKs into one |
| 20:17.07 | romainguy | I used it a long time ago :) |
| 20:17.11 | romainguy | so I don't remember |
| 20:17.28 | jasta | hmm ok. i'm reading the app model docs now maybe ill just figure it out on my own :) |
| 20:17.33 | romainguy | but if I remember correctly it's meant to create tasks across process? |
| 20:18.06 | romainguy | yep that's pretty much it |
| 20:18.23 | romainguy | it can also be used if your apk as several top level apps inside |
| 20:18.29 | romainguy | you can give them different task affinities |
| 20:21.02 | jasta | right, which i have done |
| 20:21.14 | jasta | and i'm missing some magic clearly, because it works just the same as if i had not specified taskAffinity |
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| 20:23.11 | Gast_820_ | hi |
| 20:24.01 | jasta | romainguy: i think my problem is this Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK business |
| 20:24.20 | jasta | "When starting a new activity without the Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK flag, task affinities have no impact on the task the new activity will run in" -- does home start my activity with FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK? |
| 20:25.16 | jasta | oh, it must. i see it or'd in the flags in the log |
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| 20:36.31 | Lieutenant | topic is really outdate |
| 20:36.33 | Lieutenant | dated |
| 20:38.03 | KNY | romainguy, I'm a bit confused on this ListView. When using ListActivity, the XML defines how each row will look--how is that done when not using a ListActivity? |
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| 20:52.30 | romainguy | KNY: the same way |
| 20:53.08 | KNY | is there an example you know of off the top of your head? |
| 20:55.21 | mikey| | arg..i pressed forgot pattern and now it keeps asking me for my gmail a/c details but it keeps saying password is wrong |
| 20:55.31 | mikey| | i logged into gmail fine on my laptop |
| 20:55.57 | mikey| | is there anyway to go back to the pattern screen? |
| 20:56.02 | romainguy | KNY: it really is no different than with ListActivity |
| 20:56.10 | romainguy | the XML that defines each row is passed to the adapter |
| 20:56.16 | romainguy | it goes the same in a standard Activity |
| 20:56.33 | romainguy | except you have to call setAdapter() on the ListView itself |
| 20:57.07 | KNY | romainguy, hmm, thanks. I'll play with it and see how far I can get |
| 20:58.20 | romainguy | it really is easy :) |
| 20:58.29 | romainguy | you can even look at the source of ListActivity to see what it does |
| 20:58.33 | romainguy | which is pretty much nothing |
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| 21:08.10 | KNY | romainguy, I think I got it. I was just having a brain fart I guess |
| 21:09.07 | offby1` | fans the air with one hand and holds his nose with the other |
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| 21:28.48 | mikey| | silly me, i needed to type the full email address in to unlock it |
| 21:29.45 | offby1` | mikey|: are you saying that, if you forget your unlock pattern, the phone will mail it to your gmail account, to remind you? |
| 21:29.57 | sparkle | no |
| 21:30.00 | mikey| | no, you have to login to your gmail ac |
| 21:30.03 | sparkle | it will ask you for your google login |
| 21:30.04 | sparkle | yeah |
| 21:30.07 | mikey| | i was only typing the part before @ |
| 21:31.09 | offby1` | it's your _phone_ that asks for your account? |
| 21:31.40 | offby1` | that's kind of odd. If someone finds the phone, and fails to guess your lock code, it'll then email it to them, just because they entered their email address? I'm sure I'm missing something crucial here. |
| 21:31.55 | JesusFreke | I suspect he's talking about the initial activation? |
| 21:32.14 | offby1` | could be |
| 21:32.16 | joeyjones | besides the android sdk is there anything i should read or use to start developing for the android? |
| 21:32.21 | romainguy | offby1`: only if the email address matches the account is suspect |
| 21:32.23 | offby1` | Can't remember how that initial activation worked; it was a while ago |
| 21:32.28 | romainguy | which means you would also need the password to the account |
| 21:32.50 | offby1` | romainguy: but then why bother asking at all? Why not just send the lock code to the phone's owner without requiring the person to type anything at all? |
| 21:33.09 | romainguy | because it |
| 21:33.13 | offby1` | oh, I see. |
| 21:33.14 | offby1` | :) |
| 21:33.14 | romainguy | it's one more thing you have to know |
| 21:33.28 | offby1` | just the gmail address of the rightful owner? I suppose that's reasonable. |
| 21:33.47 | offby1` | so: don't write your email address on your phone, in a "if found, please return to" note. |
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| 21:34.17 | romainguy | offby1`: you still need the password to the email account :)) |
| 21:35.18 | mikey| | slaps the designer of itv.com |
| 21:35.23 | mikey| | so much flash, yuk |
| 21:44.52 | ttuttle | offby1`: no, it needs to be *your* account. |
| 21:46.13 | ttuttle | romainguy: Hey, can I ask you a question in pm? |
| 21:46.20 | romainguy | sure |
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| 21:49.22 | mohbana | where can i guy the G1 android handset only in UK? |
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| 21:50.17 | ttuttle | Hey, any Googlers (other than romain) around? I've got a potential bug. |
| 21:50.33 | romainguy | just file it |
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| 21:56.52 | ttuttle | romainguy: Well, I wanna make sure it's not just me. |
| 21:57.31 | mohbana | where can i guy the G1 android handset only in UK? |
| 22:01.39 | ttuttle | mohbana: Stop asking the same question over and over. |
| 22:01.45 | ttuttle | mohbana: You asked that 7 minutes ago. |
| 22:01.50 | ttuttle | mohbana: If anyone knows, they will answer. |
| 22:01.57 | ttuttle | mohbana: Honestly, though, you're better off searching the internet. |
| 22:02.25 | ttuttle | Ah. |
| 22:02.29 | ttuttle | That usually doesn't work. |
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| 22:21.07 | couch | hello, it seems i am having a problem when trying to install the eclipse android plug-in |
| 22:22.10 | couch | something about wst.see.ui not being installed, how would i go about installing this? |
| 22:23.37 | couch | anyone? and sorry for the noob question, im sure you guys get this alot. |
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| 22:31.30 | eldenz | couch, http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=wst.see.ui&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 22:31.40 | eldenz | first looks about right |
| 22:32.08 | couch | alright, thank you. |
| 22:32.19 | eldenz | you're welcome |
| 22:33.02 | eldenz | "eclipse 3.3.1.1 Classic doesnt come with WST; so I guess we must download Eclipse for Java" |
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| 22:37.36 | mikey| | am i the only one who dislikes having to zoom in and out when browsing :/ |
| 22:38.06 | rocapal | hi! |
| 22:38.15 | infernixx | ho! |
| 22:39.42 | rocapal | Is accessible the compass api? I don't see in doc api |
| 22:39.44 | eldenz | i hardly ever zoom |
| 22:43.35 | infernixx | mikey|: get opera mini then and set it to mobile mode |
| 22:48.22 | romainguy | rocapal: it is accessible, look for the sensors API |
| 22:52.17 | rocapal | romainguy, thanks. Is the android.hardware.SensorManager class? |
| 22:52.22 | romainguy | yes |
| 22:57.35 | rocapal | thanks romainguy :-) |
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| 23:22.54 | dob1 | hi, i am not able to install the eclipse plugin |
| 23:23.10 | dob1 | if i point to https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/ it is a 404 not found |
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| 23:45.01 | IznastY | - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ] |
| 23:45.19 | offby1 | does IznastY ever say anything besides an auto-away message? |
| 23:46.20 | JesusFreke | I heard he once thought about saying something.. |
| 23:46.28 | JesusFreke | :D |
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| 23:48.03 | offby1 | by mentioning his nick, I just got some auto-spam in a private message |
| 23:48.12 | offby1 | I double-dare anyone here to mention his nick. |
