| 00:07.27 | spikebike | luok sounds likely |
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| 00:10.32 | luok | yeah only place its not working is behind a firewall that blocks non port 80 outgoing connections |
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| 00:12.12 | luok | android.com/market has to be the most useless site google has ever made |
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| 00:13.17 | zhobbs | luok: I agree |
| 00:14.55 | jasta | i'll second that |
| 00:15.14 | jasta | i would expect the web interface to have MORE features and info than the phone one |
| 00:15.23 | luok | haha yeah no kidding |
| 00:15.38 | jasta | let me search apps in an even more sophisticated way, read comments, look at statistics of downloads, etc. |
| 00:15.53 | zhobbs | think the market api's are just open? |
| 00:16.06 | zhobbs | I was thinking about sniffing them out and building a website for it |
| 00:16.17 | luok | hm you should be able to get the source for the market app |
| 00:16.25 | zhobbs | nope |
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| 00:17.56 | luok | hm yeah all i see is packageinstaller project but thats not it huh? |
| 00:18.24 | zhobbs | it'd be much easier to sniff out the packets if I could get the Market on the emulator...not sure how to do it from the router... |
| 00:18.26 | jbq | market isn't an open-source app. |
| 00:18.37 | jasta | zhobbs: just sniff out the packets over wi-fi :) |
| 00:18.41 | luok | heh yeah |
| 00:18.50 | zhobbs | hmm, I could just open my wifi network and sniff them that way |
| 00:18.52 | zhobbs | that's truee |
| 00:19.08 | jasta | use an openwrt box and just go to town. |
| 00:19.08 | jbq | ... except if they use SSL |
| 00:19.28 | zhobbs | jbq: yeah, I suspect that they are secured anyway |
| 00:19.33 | zhobbs | but have no idea |
| 00:19.43 | jasta | oh yeah, that would make sense. i sometimes forget that the market isnt exclusively free :) |
| 00:20.29 | zhobbs | I'd think they're working on a web frontend.... |
| 00:20.50 | jasta | probably |
| 00:20.56 | andyross | Root the phone and use a patched ssl implementation to save off the data going into and out of the market application? |
| 00:21.15 | luok | ah didn't even realize they don't let you write market replacements |
| 00:21.20 | luok | all apps are created equal my ass! |
| 00:21.24 | zhobbs | luok: you can |
| 00:21.26 | andyross | Not sure what value there would be in reverse engineering the *market*, of all things, though. |
| 00:21.32 | zhobbs | luok: you just can't stick them on the market |
| 00:21.32 | jbq | andyross: would be easier to modify the download manager in that case. |
| 00:21.47 | jbq | andyross: since the download manager is open-source. |
| 00:21.49 | luok | zhobbs: ah |
| 00:21.54 | zhobbs | andyross: just to have a web frontend for easier searching/browsing |
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| 00:22.12 | andyross | Even better. The SSL layer doesn't extend into the application? |
| 00:22.41 | jbq | luok: we'll gladly accept contributions to allow apps that have the same UI flow as market. The basic design has been laid out already, as me for details if you're interested. |
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| 00:23.48 | andyross | I point this out a lot, but existing native code could implement something very similar to a market/installer/runner even on non-rooted phones. The only think you lack is the ability to run apps in separate UIDs. |
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| 00:24.04 | andyross | er, I point out the native code thing. Never given much thought to the market. |
| 00:24.50 | zhobbs | luok: http://www.slideme.org/ |
| 00:25.03 | jasta | that guy lives in Seattle :) |
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| 00:35.32 | luok | aye issue 1229 and 1322 make me sad |
| 00:36.55 | d03boy | hugs luok |
| 00:37.31 | jbq | yeah, those should be fixed. |
| 00:37.40 | jbq | (i.e. they need to be fixed) |
| 00:37.55 | d03boy | puts them on his list of things to not do |
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| 00:40.20 | zhobbs | wonder when we'll hear about ADCII.... |
| 00:40.41 | jbq | zhobbs: isn't it on the roadmap? |
| 00:41.04 | jbq | ah, maybe not. my bad. |
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| 00:41.31 | zhobbs | "Q4 2008 - Key Announcement on Android Developer Challenge II" from http://code.google.com/android/roadmap.html |
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| 00:41.53 | mpardo | #android-dev |
| 00:41.56 | mpardo | oops |
| 00:42.06 | RyeBrye | I'm kind of a git retard - how do I get the 2.6.27 head? http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=kernel/msm.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/android-msm-2.6.27 |
| 00:42.12 | jbq | Ah, there you go. between the SDK timeline, the SDK roadmap and the platform roadmap I tend to get lost :( |
| 00:42.34 | zhobbs | yeah, me too |
| 00:42.48 | RyeBrye | I cloned the git://android.git.kernel.org/kernel/msm.git - but that gets the 2.6.25... and I don't know the git magic to switch to the 2.6.27 head |
| 00:43.07 | jbq | git checkout [branchname] ? |
| 00:47.11 | illusion | have u guys tried to play avi mp4 or sth other else like multimedia? |
| 00:47.42 | illusion | i wanna do implement mediaplayer but just i can play audio things with mediaplayer things |
| 00:47.55 | illusion | which means mediaplayer class |
| 00:48.36 | illusion | i need help T_T |
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| 01:08.22 | herriojr | was RemoteView deprecated? It doesn't seem to be supported with the notifications |
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| 01:09.42 | jbq | I think it should work fine, the download manager uses a RemoteViews. You can only use a very small set of subclasses of View with it, though. |
| 01:11.00 | herriojr | yeah, I'm trying to find which views I can use, but I can't find a reference in any of the view documents |
| 01:12.13 | jbq | I think that the ones you can use all extend a given class or implement a given interface. |
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| 01:23.33 | Nafai | Is there a way to have the G1 show up as a mass storage device under a Linux desktop? |
| 01:23.40 | Leeds | Nafai: it just *does* |
| 01:23.49 | Nafai | Weird |
| 01:23.55 | Nafai | I wonder why Ubuntu isn't automounting it |
| 01:23.57 | Leeds | you get a notification when you plug in, select 'mount' from the dialog |
| 01:24.47 | Leeds | I'm talking about the microSD card, by the way, not the internal FS |
| 01:25.16 | _zippy | nafai: ubuntu has worked flawlessly for me, better than windows machines |
| 01:25.38 | mpardo | can i manipulate/process an audio stream as it's being recorded? Or do i have to stop and release first? |
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| 01:25.52 | _zippy | leeds: way to turn ur first statement into an apple slogan ;) |
| 01:26.27 | herriojr | jbq: yeah, they implement the interface, but it's difficult to find them because the documentation doesn't provide a list of known classes that inherit it |
| 01:26.27 | Leeds | is that an Apple slogan? |
| 01:26.45 | _zippy | it just does |
| 01:26.48 | _zippy | isn't that theirs? |
| 01:26.53 | _zippy | or is it, it just works... |
| 01:26.57 | Leeds | possibly it just works |
| 01:27.01 | _zippy | or have i just hear their drones spit that out so much... |
| 01:27.04 | Leeds | Nafai: does it work? |
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| 01:31.36 | Nafai | HRm |
| 01:31.47 | Nafai | It is detecting it but not automounting |
| 01:31.52 | Nafai | I wonder if I screwed something up :) |
| 01:32.56 | Nafai | OH |
| 01:33.03 | Nafai | I didn't select "Mount" on the G1 :) |
| 01:34.24 | Nafai | Thanks guys |
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| 01:43.01 | Lieutenant | what is the best 46-52 inch LCD 1080p TV you would you reccommend? im not really lookin at the price, more of the QUALITY of the tv. |
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| 01:46.56 | jbq | Does it have to be an LCD? |
| 01:47.16 | jbq | (otherwise I'd go for a pioneer plasma. have a 50", love it) |
| 01:49.34 | ismarc | jbq: I have a toshiba 50" plasma I love as well |
| 01:50.07 | JesusFreke1 | doesn't have a TV |
| 01:50.46 | TiberiumX | I'd spend the money instead on a few more monitors / video cards to support them. 3x2 setup of them. |
| 01:50.49 | JesusFreke | unless you count that 30" or so console that I have up in the bedroom I never use |
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| 01:52.53 | Alien_Freak | question about the G1 RC30 you're supposed to get a root shell by typing adb shell, that's from your linux machine.. or from the phone terminal? |
| 01:53.11 | sparkle | that's with one of the third-party modified rc30 versions |
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| 01:53.22 | sparkle | from your linux or windows system, with the usb drivers/sdk installed |
| 01:54.25 | Alien_Freak | okay.. i'm not that picky.. but I have the rc30, at this point I'd be happy to see what a root shell looks like. |
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| 01:54.51 | JesusFreke | alien, do you have the official RC30? |
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| 01:57.10 | Alien_Freak | it came with my phone.. I just tested it.. i typed <enter>reboot<enter> and it rebooted my phone.. so i'm sure i have the right version |
| 01:57.20 | JesusFreke | ah, k. |
| 01:57.31 | DJTachyon | bah .. I have RC30 |
| 01:57.55 | DJTachyon | hey lieutenant |
| 01:59.17 | DJTachyon | Lieutenant: Do you want to go crazy with an LED backlight? |
| 01:59.29 | DJTachyon | and spend an extra $2000? :P |
| 01:59.44 | d0netsFN | hey quick im trying to install this app to watch my college team play tonight |
| 01:59.48 | d0netsFN | the game starts in 1 minute i think |
| 02:00.00 | d0netsFN | http://pastebin.ca/1274474 |
| 02:00.09 | d0netsFN | i get that when i try to run "make" |
| 02:00.11 | d0netsFN | any idears? |
| 02:00.20 | DJTachyon | if So the Samsung LN46A750/LN52A750 .. otherwise the LN46A630/LN52A630 |
| 02:00.20 | d0netsFN | (ubuntu 8.10) |
| 02:00.31 | DJTachyon | I am probably going to get the LN46A630 myself :P |
| 02:00.52 | DJTachyon | brb |
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| 02:09.37 | infernix | my calendar is noy synching since nov 26th. rebooting phone doesnt help, nor toggling the sync |
| 02:09.39 | Lieutenant | yes |
| 02:09.40 | infernix | anyone seen this too? |
| 02:09.47 | Lieutenant | i'll go crazywith an lcd backlight |
| 02:09.52 | Lieutenant | led* |
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| 02:21.51 | tech9iner | g'day all.. any reference urls or info on comprehending the file naming scheme by the g1's camera please?.. |
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| 02:49.07 | TiberiumX | Is there a way to save a stream? It looks like I can point MediaPlayer to an internet URL, but I don't think I have any access to the data past that point. Does it maybe save the cached file somewhere accessible? |
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| 02:50.14 | Leeds | only pirates save streams |
| 02:50.58 | Decavolt | TiberiumX: you'd need a stream ripper, and no there's no way (currently) to do that on Android |
| 02:51.43 | Decavolt | although Leeds is right, ripping streams tends to fall on the "not cool" side of things |
| 02:52.43 | eldenz | for what type of albumart is the Music app exactly looking? some specific filename? embedded in id3 tag? |
| 02:53.04 | TiberiumX | Well, I'd have to disagree about recording streams, but regardless, this is for a podcast application. I want to be able to start playing immediately, but still end up with a saved file at the end. |
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| 02:53.53 | TiberiumX | I guess it'll just be one or the other. |
| 02:54.11 | Decavolt | that's still a stream ripper |
| 02:54.58 | Decavolt | you'd need a player that'll at the very least record one continuous audio file from that stream, although most stream rippers split into multiple mp3's based on each song played |
| 02:55.54 | Decavolt | you could run a ripper on some *nix server, and drop the saved file(s) into a folder, and then make that folder accessible via a web page. Connect with your browser on android, etc |
| 02:56.54 | Leeds | can't you download and start playing the downloaded thing? |
| 02:57.44 | TiberiumX | You can point it towards a downloading file, but it stops when it reaches what was the end when you loaded it. |
| 02:58.22 | Leeds | can you play audio from a contentprovider? |
| 02:58.33 | Decavolt | that's usually called progressive loading - Flash uses that method pretty heavily. I'm not sure how you'd get the same effect from Android but I'm sure it's possible to write an app that'll do it |
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| 03:00.35 | TiberiumX | I could stop, reinitialize, and began from the same point when the end of a partial file is reached, but that sounds a little jarring for the user. |
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| 03:12.41 | orci | hi all, i am planning to visit outside USA. thinking about not using t-mobile out there. I'll possibly get a prepaid card from one of the operators there. I was wondering if, I can use my phone if there is no data plan? If yes, is there a map application with downloadable maps (so that no internet connection is required for mapping at least) ?) |
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| 03:14.53 | Decavolt | not that I've seen orci |
| 03:15.23 | Decavolt | might want to pick up a Garmin (portable GPS - no data plans needed) |
| 03:15.29 | eldenz | ohmygawd, why does the Music app not support folder.png/jpg whatever or some random image in the folder.. do i really have to REWRITE all the mp3s i put on my sdcard? ridiculous |
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| 03:21.07 | CardinalFang | Hi all. I'm somewhat new to Java and I'm probably spoiled my too much Python. I intend to make a ListActivity to mirror some collection/list/array/something of objects. The objects will come and go. My first attempt, to make an array and "setListAdapter(new ArrayAdapter<...>(...)" means (I think) that I can't append, insert, delete those items. *sigh* Okay, so what's the best way? |
| 03:23.13 | CardinalFang | (Is this the right place for dev questions?) |
| 03:24.12 | eldenz | CardinalFang, #android-dev |
| 03:24.23 | CardinalFang | thanks |
| 03:24.24 | bradleyy | CardinalFang: saw a project the other day to port jython to android |
| 03:24.58 | CardinalFang | Yeah, me too. Haven't tried it. |
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| 03:25.50 | CardinalFang | Toodles. |
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| 03:57.11 | marix | i wonder if someone made an application that automatically posts a comment in the app store about how much better the iphone is... They are super fast replying as soon as a new app comes out |
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| 04:08.45 | nyt | hm |
| 04:08.52 | nyt | im not listing my app till market gets out of beta |
| 04:08.58 | nyt | since the posters are retarded right now |
| 04:09.10 | marix | for money sake or tardo sake? |
| 04:09.10 | nyt | my apps coming along nicely to, glad i'll have some time to work on it again this week |
| 04:09.15 | nyt | both |
| 04:09.25 | nyt | im serving my app off the web currently |
| 04:09.26 | marix | cool cool, what are you workign on? |
| 04:09.32 | nyt | irc client |
| 04:09.37 | marix | ah |
| 04:10.02 | marix | yea, mibbit.com works ok on the browser, but you cant scroll in either field |
| 04:10.29 | marix | and it disconnects if your phone goes to sleep |
| 04:10.37 | nyt | mine is multiserver |
| 04:10.39 | nyt | doesnt disconnect |
| 04:10.49 | nyt | easy window changing / scrolling / color supporting / awesomeness |
| 04:11.15 | nyt | http://countercultured.net/ircbeta.apk |
| 04:11.20 | nyt | http://countercultured.net/vids/androidirc.mpg |
| 04:11.23 | nyt | vid of client and thea pk |
| 04:11.45 | marix | need it tested? |
| 04:11.51 | nyt | sure |
| 04:11.53 | nyt | seems pretty stable |
| 04:11.59 | nyt | but the more the merrier |
| 04:12.00 | marix | kk, lemme load it up |
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| 04:13.45 | VJTachyon | hah im on my phone |
| 04:13.56 | VJTachyon | cooooooool |
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| 04:14.15 | marix | nice and small too |
| 04:14.17 | sparkle | irssi here from my g1 :p |
| 04:14.27 | DJTachyon | im using the IRCBETA one |
| 04:15.17 | nyt | attaching to a console client is nice, but i normally have a window open at like 90x40 |
| 04:15.25 | nyt | doesnt lend itself too well to irc on a mobile |
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| 04:15.43 | nyt | this will have notifications and such as ell eventually |
| 04:15.48 | nyt | and more touch interface stuff |
| 04:16.04 | marix-g1 | cool cool |
| 04:16.07 | DJTachyon | at least there is a gui for switching chat windows instead of a command line version |
| 04:17.35 | nyt | yeah dragging windows around is nice |
| 04:17.51 | nyt | the camera button is gonna get hijacked for server cycling |
| 04:17.59 | nyt | and the vol buttons well also cycle channels when in irc |
| 04:18.00 | nyt | eventually |
| 04:18.03 | nyt | need to write the code still |
| 04:18.19 | nyt | i've been in C hell the last month writing flow collector stuff |
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| 04:21.17 | Versed | nyt is that a newer verson you posted? |
| 04:21.23 | nyt | shrugs |
| 04:21.24 | nyt | prolly |
| 04:21.33 | nyt | i just updated the expiration so |
| 04:21.36 | nyt | it wont stop working for at least a week |
| 04:21.40 | Versed | ok |
| 04:22.40 | Versed | thanks |
| 04:23.44 | orci | hi all, i am planning to visit outside USA. thinking about not using t-mobile out there. I'll possibly get a prepaid card from one of the operators there. I was wondering if, I can use my phone if there is no data plan? If yes, is there a map application with downloadable maps (so that no internet connection is required for mapping at least) ?) |
| 04:24.04 | sparkle | not that i know of orci |
| 04:24.14 | jbq | the built-in maps app won't work without network access. |
| 04:24.25 | sparkle | i mean, you can get lat/long |
| 04:24.35 | sparkle | but not streets |
| 04:24.48 | orci | yeah, that why I was looking for an app with downloaded maps |
| 04:25.02 | Versed | does tomtom work on the g1? |
| 04:25.39 | orci | if i am not mistaken there are free maps out there one app could use |
| 04:25.57 | Leeds | orci: where are you going? |
| 04:26.04 | orci | I mean one free app could use |
| 04:26.08 | orci | Leeds, to turkey |
| 04:26.20 | marix | you guys ever watch dexter? |
| 04:26.40 | adoleo | marix: Dexter = awesome, but that's off-topic |
| 04:26.48 | Leeds | hmm... you can get good free downloadable maps of turkey? |
| 04:27.40 | orci | Leeds, I would guess so |
| 04:27.50 | Leeds | I would guess not |
| 04:28.04 | marix | heres an interesting article about using the g1 abroad. |
| 04:28.04 | marix | http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/12/tmobile_g1_net_access_cant_be_turned_off_results_in_huge_roaming_costs-2.html |
| 04:28.21 | Leeds | it's wrong |
| 04:28.32 | Leeds | I roamed with my G1 last week, and it didn't ping |
| 04:28.56 | marix | so maybe the guy is just a nub |
| 04:29.37 | Leeds | I'm pretty sure that the "don't do data while roaming" switch works... |
| 04:30.32 | jbq | The notion of roaming is so complex that it's hard to make general statements. |
| 04:31.20 | Leeds | jbq: "not on home network" is pretty simple, isn't it? |
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| 04:31.55 | jbq | Leeds: it would be if each operator wasn't operating multiple networks. |
| 04:32.17 | Leeds | ah, not the case here - I guess that results from mergers of regional operators? |
| 04:32.57 | RyeBrye | Anyone running a 2.6.27 kernel on their G1? I'm interested in it in particular because of this commit: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=kernel/msm.git;a=commit;h=1d11c16b50d26dde99d224d741e0f34170476415 - "[ARM] msm: clock: Enable ondemand cpufreq scaling" |
| 04:33.24 | marix | fancy |
| 04:33.45 | Leeds | ondemand is good |
| 04:33.59 | jbq | There are 7 different GSM "countries" in the US (so you can't rely on that), and 18 different T-Mobile networks in the US alone. |
| 04:34.00 | RyeBrye | Yeah, ondemand should help battery life |
| 04:35.07 | Leeds | that's appalling |
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| 04:37.14 | Nafai | What's the best video player for android? |
| 04:38.28 | spikebike | heh, seems like a natural progression |
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| 04:38.49 | spikebike | didn't tmo just slurp up a bunch of smaller folks... voice stream? |
| 04:39.11 | marix | voicestream was sprint originally |
| 04:39.34 | RyeBrye | but isn't tmobile using voicestream ontheir wap setup still? |
| 04:39.46 | marix | yup |
| 04:40.01 | marix | but they have 2 other waps i believe |
| 04:40.04 | spikebike | my at&t phone (before the at&t -> cingular -> at&t) would only use the voice stream network (gsm) |
| 04:40.46 | spikebike | so my phone would display voicestream all the time |
| 04:41.10 | marix | i roam on cingular sometimes w/ my blackberry |
| 04:41.18 | marix | never seen it w/ the g1 though |
| 04:41.23 | RyeBrye | Anyone know which phones have spec'ed out to use the Elan 8232 touchscreen? - it's got a driver in the android msm kernel now |
| 04:41.40 | RyeBrye | and... not unlike the Synaptics driver - this one also has crap for 2 fingers |
| 04:42.01 | RyeBrye | oh... nm.... it's HTC apparently |
| 04:42.11 | marix | i wonder if that was a apple thing where google chose not to step on toes |
| 04:42.14 | RyeBrye | (I just read the header of the file) |
| 04:42.50 | marix | i can't imagine patents are owned that cover multitouch input still |
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| 05:00.59 | RyeBrye | Are a lot of the functions in the akm8976 not being used right now? Like the step count / pedometer - or the temperature sensor (is this independent of the battery temp sensor?) I take it the compass unit is also what provides the accelerometer for the phone, right? (since it has the 3-axis accelerometer data in it too)? |
| 05:04.30 | jbq | At this point the driver only publishes 3-axis accelerometer + 3-axis magnetometer. |
| 05:04.44 | RyeBrye | the kernel driver or the userspace driver? |
| 05:04.44 | jbq | (and some user-space code to process the data). |
| 05:05.31 | RyeBrye | http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=kernel/msm.git;a=blob;f=drivers/i2c/chips/akm8976.c;h=8c03165bccfd7a9b4efa79648d21cb9750ed40a1;hb=aa5b407d67cd4b665955453388d2a02930ba1643 The kernel driver is where I see the pedometer stuff and the thermometer stuff |
| 05:05.58 | jbq | As a general rule, I |
| 05:06.15 | jbq | I'd say that sensors in the current version are, *ahem*, limited and buggy. |
| 05:06.30 | RyeBrye | gotcha |
| 05:06.51 | jbq | (there's been a lot of work done for a future version, it'll be a lot easier to use, both for app writers and for driver writers) |
| 05:07.23 | RyeBrye | Cool |
| 05:07.25 | jbq | (I know, because I did most of the math, and reviewed the code) |
| 05:07.26 | Leeds | my tricorder doesn't work |
| 05:07.50 | Leeds | and I'd be interesting to know how some of the gravity constants were tested :-) |
| 05:08.21 | RyeBrye | The sad thing is, I verified some of those gravity constants |
| 05:08.21 | jbq | Leeds: http://www.google.com/jobs/lunar_job.html |
| 05:08.24 | RyeBrye | has a physics degree |
| 05:08.38 | jbq | I can't talk about unannounced office locations, though. |
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| 05:09.13 | Leeds | so you can't confirm the existance of the Death Star office? I would wonder how that fits with "don't be evil" |
| 05:09.37 | RyeBrye | It's interesting to see the elan touchscreen driver be committed to the android tree... since... 1: It's tagged by HTC at the top of it, and 2: Elan isn't in the OHA like Synaptics is |
| 05:10.03 | jbq | I can't confirm whether I have visited the Death Star office whose existence I can't confirm either. |
| 05:10.08 | RyeBrye | bets $50 on the next android phone also being an HTC phone |
| 05:10.30 | ttuttle | says nothing. |
| 05:10.34 | RyeBrye | be "android phone" I mean "official" android phone, of course |
| 05:10.56 | ttuttle | "official"? It's open-source. |
| 05:11.09 | ttuttle | Anyone can make a phone with it. |
| 05:11.15 | RyeBrye | Yeah, but only people who pay can get the cool shit |
| 05:12.13 | RyeBrye | looks around for that page talking about one of the map views that is only available to people who license it for their android phone |
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| 05:32.07 | Nafai | Any hints on how to bookmark the delicious bookmarklets in the browser? |
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| 05:48.11 | Milad | Hi android has a linux terminal ? |
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| 05:48.47 | Damm | Milad, adb shell... the market |
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| 05:50.40 | Milad | Damm, what do you mean ? I want buy G1 and I am newbie, what's the market ? |
| 05:51.18 | Damm | Milad, go to a T-Mobile store and play with it... you'll see |
| 05:52.08 | Milad | tnx :) |
| 05:55.19 | DarkriftX | damn, no ftp with busybox |
| 05:55.25 | DarkriftX | guess ill have to figure out ftpput :s |
| 05:57.27 | sparkle | DarkriftX: get openssh loaded! :) |
| 05:59.58 | DarkriftX | i installed debian, but not sure the exact steps to reload it |
| 06:01.01 | Nafai | adb shell is fun :) |
| 06:01.03 | sparkle | where are you stuck? |
| 06:01.30 | DarkriftX | well, i installed debian, installed openssh, but when i rebooted, it unloaded debian |
| 06:01.39 | DarkriftX | the files are still there, but do i need to do all of the commands again? |
| 06:01.52 | DarkriftX | to remount the debian image |
| 06:02.51 | sparkle | you should probably make a script |
| 06:02.56 | sparkle | that remounts things and starts up openssh |
| 06:03.04 | sparkle | i can show you the one i have if you want |
| 06:03.13 | DarkriftX | sure |
| 06:03.22 | sparkle | but you'd need to customize it some, i don't use a loopback mount |
| 06:03.36 | DarkriftX | i know my way around sh scripts, but i dont fully understand everything that is done, so i wouldnt want to mess it up |
| 06:04.40 | Nafai | Is the bluetooth stack available to the developers? |
| 06:05.01 | Gary|tp | not yet |
| 06:05.10 | gambler | Nafai, its not working yet. |
| 06:07.15 | sparkle | http://208.106.5.222/unistart.sh.txt |
| 06:07.22 | sparkle | be gentle, that's served from my phone :) |
| 06:08.09 | Nafai | gambler: Okay, just curious |
| 06:08.10 | gambler | sparkle, whoa ...how |
| 06:08.20 | sparkle | gambler: lighttpd |
| 06:08.44 | gambler | sparkle, er but through TMO's network or some other way |
| 06:09.02 | sparkle | you probably want to change the first "busybox mount" if you're using a loopback mount |
| 06:09.18 | sparkle | my wifi at home |
| 06:09.25 | gambler | ah ok got it |
| 06:09.25 | sparkle | when i'm not at home i tunnel back to my home net though |
| 06:09.37 | sparkle | it's actually really handy just rnuning on localhost |
| 06:09.44 | sparkle | that way i can fire cgi scripts by clicking in the browser |
| 06:09.47 | sparkle | works beautifully |
| 06:10.02 | gambler | cool |
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| 06:12.33 | jbq | nice :) |
| 06:13.42 | DarkriftX | diggs sparkle's txt file and throws it on /. |
| 06:15.26 | sparkle | :p |
| 06:15.31 | DarkriftX | :S |
| 06:15.41 | DarkriftX | im going to give up on your sh now..... |
| 06:17.33 | DarkriftX | !pastebin |
| 06:17.50 | paulproteus | Can you downgrade a phone to an earlier OTA than the one currently installed? |
| 06:17.59 | paulproteus | Do the instructions at http://www.android-unleashed.com/2008/10/howto-manual-ota-update-instructions.html work for downgrading, by any chance? |
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| 06:18.03 | paulproteus | waves at ieatlint |
| 06:18.19 | Milad | when I bought G1 in the phone I will have access the market ? there is any tools there ? |
| 06:18.21 | DarkriftX | http://pastebin.com/d273d3b6f |
| 06:18.23 | RyeBrye | paulproteus - nope. |
| 06:18.40 | ttuttle | Milad: Um, if you buy a G1 it will come with the Market app. |
| 06:18.44 | DarkriftX | sparkle: think that will work for me? its basically all the commands to set it up originally except for file commands that dont seem to need to be redone |
| 06:18.45 | ttuttle | Milad: I'm not sure what you mean by "tools" |
| 06:19.23 | RyeBrye | There is a farmers market near my house, but it is closed now. They didn't sell any tools, just produce. |
| 06:19.41 | Milad | ttuttle, I mean Market app :) , and APPs are open source or close source ? or both ? :D |
| 06:20.28 | jbq | Market is Google-proprietary, closed-source, closed-protocol. |
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| 06:21.15 | RyeBrye | jbq - is there a page somewhere that lists the google-proprietary goodies that are available only to people who license them for use on their phones? |
| 06:21.44 | ttuttle | Milad: jbq is right -- Market is completely proprietary. In terms of apps available *in* the Market, some are open-source, some are closed. There's no requirement one way or the other. |
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| 06:22.27 | RyeBrye | well... by "people who license them" I mean "people who buy phones from manufacturers who license the stuff to put it on the phone" |
| 06:22.50 | jbq | RyeBrye: I don't know the exact list. I know there's the setup wizard, gmail, the contacts back-end, youtube, market, gtalk, the update system, and I must be missing some. |
| 06:23.13 | RyeBrye | I thought there was something with maps, but I couldn't find it again for the life of me |
| 06:23.13 | spikebike | widgets |
| 06:23.20 | jbq | oh, yeah, maps. |
| 06:23.26 | sparkle | DarkriftX: file commands? |
| 06:24.14 | DarkriftX | cp, symlink etc |
| 06:24.16 | DarkriftX | stuff that persisted |
| 06:24.24 | RyeBrye | Yeah, so Steve Balmer can take his "no revenue model" quote and blow it out his ass - that sounds like a pretty reasonable revenue model to me... I have no idea how much Google charges to license that - but it's clearly greater than $0 |
| 06:24.44 | Milad | ttuttle, and open source app fee is free ? I am in country which can not pay money through web |
| 06:25.02 | ttuttle | Milad: Uh, not necessarily. |
| 06:25.08 | ttuttle | Milad: Developers can charge whatever they like. |
| 06:25.24 | ttuttle | Milad: Open source apps are not free by definition. They simply come with source code, and you're free to share them. |
| 06:25.54 | ttuttle | Milad: Also, right now, all apps are free. |
| 06:26.34 | Milad | ttuttle, how to get them *if* they are free ? :) |
| 06:26.47 | DarkriftX | i *think* it wokred |
| 06:26.48 | ttuttle | Milad: Um, go to the market and download them? |
| 06:26.57 | DarkriftX | whats the best way to tell sparkle? |
| 06:26.59 | ttuttle | Milad: It's pretty straightforward. |
| 06:27.04 | RyeBrye | Well... all apps can be downloaded for free from the market - but a couple of them I've seen want you to pay them money to keep working. (GasBot wanting $7 a year to look up gas prices from websites seems a little absurd to me) |
| 06:27.12 | DarkriftX | well, i guess apt would be a good test lol |
| 06:27.18 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Oh yeah, there's that :-\ |
| 06:27.22 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: /me finds that irritating. |
| 06:27.24 | Milad | ttuttle, www.android.com/market/ ? |
| 06:27.39 | ttuttle | Milad: I don't know. Look and see. |
| 06:27.43 | jbq | RyeBrye: that's against the market terms of service, FWIW. |
| 06:27.52 | ttuttle | jbq: BANHAMMER! |
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| 06:28.09 | RyeBrye | jbq - Really? Cool. It's super annoying and should not be allowed |
| 06:28.13 | DarkriftX | woot |
| 06:28.19 | DarkriftX | installing ncftp via apt-get on my g1 |
| 06:28.25 | DarkriftX | that just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside :) |
| 06:28.36 | Milad | ttuttle, tnx :) |
| 06:29.34 | RyeBrye | There are a few things I can see paying subscriptions for for software - and crap that goes on my phone is likely never going to be one of them |
| 06:29.46 | sparkle | ahh |
| 06:30.05 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Yeah. It's usually the sort of software you'd be willing to pay $x for, and they want you to pay $x (or $x/2 or $x/3) per month, just so they can make more money. |
| 06:30.05 | sparkle | DarkriftX: the file commands that operate in the root filesystem will need to be redone |
| 06:30.11 | sparkle | as root is recreated from scratch at boot |
| 06:30.23 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: I can understand if it's something like streaming radio where it requires a significant server-side investment, bus GasBot doesn't really. |
| 06:30.49 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - yeah - the subscription is for the data, not the app in that case. GasBot clearly is not running whatever service it's getting the data from. |
| 06:31.03 | DarkriftX | has ncftp running :) |
| 06:31.10 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Ah. |
| 06:31.21 | Gary|tp | there's an ftp app on the market, btw |
| 06:32.09 | TiberiumX | I think my price threshold for phone software is about $3. |
| 06:32.20 | RyeBrye | agreed |
| 06:32.22 | Gary|tp | mine depends on what it does |
| 06:32.29 | Gary|tp | and how easy it is to crack :) |
| 06:33.51 | RyeBrye | I would pay around $20 or $30 for TomTom on Android if it came out - but nowhere near the $90 they charge for it on other mobile platforms |
| 06:34.04 | RyeBrye | since oyu can get an entire dedicated GPS unit for that much |
| 06:34.40 | TiberiumX | I wonder how cracking java apps is in relative difficulty? Probably not a lot you could do to trip up debuggers. How high-level is the byte-code? |
| 06:35.16 | DarkriftX | aww crap |
| 06:35.18 | RyeBrye | it wouldn't be too hard I imagine - you'd just have to get really familiar with dex bytecode |
| 06:35.27 | DarkriftX | my /data folder isnt accessible from debian |
| 06:35.32 | DarkriftX | can that be fixed sparkle? |
| 06:36.10 | TiberiumX | Yeah, I'd probably just buy something designed to work well in my car (i.e. mounting solution, loud speaker, brighter/larger display). |
| 06:36.12 | Gary|tp | TiberiumX: Talked to someone who has done the cracking before, apparently the byte code is a lot like java. all you have to do is modify bytecode and resign with your own keys |
| 06:36.29 | Gary|tp | Yeah, I'd pay $30 for TomTom. |
| 06:36.34 | Gary|tp | $90? no. |
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| 06:42.22 | TiberiumX | Hey, how have they released modified updates for this phone? Do they not sign against the whole update? |
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| 06:49.01 | Gary|tp | TiberiumX: Root exploit was found on certain firmwares. With root, we can flash the file that the updater uses as keys to check the signing. |
| 06:49.11 | Gary|tp | They then sign the update with their own keys and apply it. |
| 06:49.34 | bradleyy_ | certain firmwares != RC30 :( |
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| 06:51.00 | TiberiumX | Ahh, okay. |
| 06:52.02 | Nafai | Is there a way of writing applications that integrate with the browser? |
| 06:52.08 | Nafai | Say, if I wanted to write a delicious tool? |
| 06:52.14 | RyeBrye | I want a delicious tool |
| 06:52.33 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 06:52.43 | BHSPitMonkey | Nafai, you're not allowed to omit the periods |
| 06:52.50 | DarkriftX | "<RyeBrye> I want a delicious tool" in any other context would be laughed at |
| 06:52.55 | RyeBrye | :) |
| 06:53.54 | DarkriftX | RyeBrye: do you know how i make /data visible inside debian? |
| 06:54.06 | DarkriftX | the --rebind didnt work, is there something else i can try? |
| 06:54.13 | Nafai | BHSPitMonkey: Unfortunately, they haven't recently :( www.delicious.com |
| 06:54.13 | RyeBrye | DarkriftX - no, I haven't used debian on it much |
| 06:54.33 | BHSPitMonkey | Nafai, you were supposed to respond 3 lines earlier. |
| 06:55.04 | BHSPitMonkey | Instead, you let the beautiful nick symmetry break |
| 06:55.18 | Nafai | hangs head in shame |
| 06:55.33 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 06:55.43 | DarkriftX | BHSPitMonkey must be on xchat |
| 06:56.05 | BHSPitMonkey | DarkriftX, I am, though the symmetry would still be faintly visible in flush-left clients |
| 06:56.26 | DarkriftX | yeah |
| 06:57.10 | DarkriftX | oh well, guess im done playing for now |
| 06:57.19 | DarkriftX | ill go watch house and figure it out later |
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| 07:50.24 | tauno | "Matrix does not have a constructor, so it must be explicitly initialized.." a few lines down: Public Constructors: Matrix(), Matrix(Matrix src) |
| 07:57.33 | sparkle | SS/win 3 |
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| 08:19.33 | anno^da_ | I'm getting crazy about the access to the sd card |
| 08:20.09 | sparkle | mm? |
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| 08:21.11 | anno^da_ | I dont know but for me it is really hard to get the cover open |
| 08:21.47 | anno^da_ | and I wouldnt say that I have big fingers :) |
| 08:26.02 | anno^da_ | boah thats something that is really annoying *g |
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| 08:27.06 | spikebike | are you doing it right? |
| 08:28.17 | anno^da_ | Well I thinks so. Opening the keyboard and pulling it off right ? |
| 08:28.34 | anno^da_ | (I dont know the exact english term :) ) |
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| 08:29.38 | orci | strongly offtopic, I have a 12 hour waiting time between flights at heathrow, is it comfortable? can I sleep there? |
| 08:32.02 | anno^da_ | Does somebody know a way to switch off synching with Locale? During the night this could save battery and while I'm sleeping I don't need any synching at all. :-) |
| 08:32.59 | anno^da_ | I know that I could create a shortcut with AnyCut but this wouldnt switch to the night "behaviour" automatically. |
| 08:35.44 | Leeds | orci: it's nasty |
| 08:35.53 | Leeds | anno^da_: *why* are you opening the microSD door so much? |
| 08:38.53 | orci | Leeds, I should avoid heathrow then, thanks |
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| 08:44.35 | kennyyu | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/585675 |
| 08:44.44 | kennyyu | i get this error while building |
| 08:44.48 | kennyyu | can someone help? thanks |
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| 08:55.32 | tric | kennyyu: you are missing zlib.h, prolly zlib1g-dev or something like that |
| 08:56.15 | anno^da_ | Leeds: because the G1 is not mounting any more on the desktop. |
| 08:56.45 | anno^da_ | And so I have to get the sd card out for some seconds but cant get the cover open. :/ |
| 08:57.12 | anno^da_ | In addition after one day of playing with the G1 the memory for apps is full. :P |
| 08:57.15 | spikebike | ummm, are you clicking mount after the notification that usb connected? |
| 08:57.45 | anno^da_ | yeah I have clicked it. I will try again. Hmm. Yesterday everything worked fine. |
| 08:58.21 | Leeds | anno^da_: windows? |
| 08:58.37 | anno^da_ | OSX |
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| 08:59.14 | Leeds | ah... what did you change to stop it working? |
| 09:01.09 | anno^da_ | Well I'm thinking about it. On the desktop I didnt change anything. On the system well I have installed apps but that cant be the error. Hmm I'm restarting Android now. |
| 09:02.05 | anno^da_ | What would be the right method to unmount the G1. Should I do it from the settings of the G1 or from OSX? |
| 09:02.25 | Leeds | from OSX |
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| 09:04.17 | anno^da_ | Well ok thats the way I did it. |
| 09:04.34 | anno^da_ | After a restart I cant get the G1 mounted either. :/ |
| 09:05.27 | DarkriftX | i had a prob like tah tonce |
| 09:05.38 | DarkriftX | g1 would show up but mounting would give error and fail |
| 09:05.46 | DarkriftX | i just kept pluggign it in over and over and trying again |
| 09:05.48 | DarkriftX | finally worked |
| 09:05.57 | spikebike | I had to tweak ubuntu from some google page to get automoutn working |
| 09:06.07 | spikebike | but when I clicked on the dialog saysing usb attached now what |
| 09:06.16 | spikebike | if I clicked mount it would show up in dmesg |
| 09:06.26 | spikebike | and I could manually mount it from the desktop |
| 09:07.07 | Leeds | I didn't have to do anything at all, on slackware and debian |
| 09:09.39 | anno^da_ | Well yeah yesterday everything worked out of the box as well. Now let me update to the latest system update since I didnt have the time yesterday. (I had to play with it. :) ) |
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| 09:10.25 | sparkle | one thing |
| 09:10.36 | sparkle | the g1 doesn't work on usb 1.1 ports |
| 09:10.40 | sparkle | only usb2 |
| 09:10.49 | sparkle | at least not properly |
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| 09:13.02 | spikebike | oh, news to me |
| 09:13.09 | spikebike | RC19 and RC29 "just worked" for me |
| 09:13.19 | spikebike | nfi what usb port version is |
| 09:13.28 | spikebike | rc30 requires some google directed tweaks |
| 09:14.49 | anno^da_ | I'm at RC19 since I havent updated. (got it yesterday) |
| 09:15.17 | spikebike | don't accept any offered upgrades |
| 09:15.23 | spikebike | unless you don't want root |
| 09:15.30 | anno^da_ | I know :) |
| 09:15.36 | DarkriftX | android-dls.com/wiki now! |
| 09:15.40 | anno^da_ | I havent got any offers till now. |
| 09:15.49 | anno^da_ | DarkriftX: I have it open ;) |
| 09:15.49 | DarkriftX | read "rooting android" adn then keeping root and do it! |
| 09:15.54 | Leeds | anno^da_: you will |
| 09:16.00 | DarkriftX | you will hateyourself if you dont do it now |
| 09:16.05 | DarkriftX | they will force the update on you soon |
| 09:16.13 | anno^da_ | Leeds: I know. I have read all the wikis days ago. :D |
| 09:17.46 | anno^da_ | Do I have to add busybox right after the rooting or is it bundled in the custom RC30 update? |
| 09:17.55 | DarkriftX | its bundled |
| 09:18.00 | anno^da_ | fine. |
| 09:20.34 | kennyyu_ | tric: so i should apt-get install it? |
| 09:22.20 | kennyyu_ | thanks tric. i've just installed it |
| 09:22.23 | kennyyu_ | is making |
| 09:23.08 | anno^da_ | So I'm root now but I have to get the G1 mounted now. Coming back to the problem :D. So lets try to open the sd card slot *g |
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| 09:23.48 | spikebike | if you haven't found the video on how to open I'd google for it |
| 09:23.55 | spikebike | there's definitely a trick to it |
| 09:27.16 | anno^da_ | I got it open now. I will search for the video as well. Thank you. If you got it some where just paste the link. |
| 09:28.05 | anno^da_ | for the mounting I'm going now to the Ubuntu machine |
| 09:28.11 | anno^da_ | lets see if it works there |
| 09:37.01 | anno^da_ | ubuntu mounts it directly :/ |
| 09:38.44 | anno^da_ | DarkriftX: The recovery image that you can download from your wiki has only a size of 124kb |
| 09:39.05 | DarkriftX | all the files work, i downloaded them myself to root mine |
| 09:39.21 | DarkriftX | whats the filename? ill check it via ftp |
| 09:39.30 | anno^da_ | Yeah I know I have downloaded it yesterday |
| 09:39.35 | anno^da_ | and it was bigger |
| 09:39.38 | anno^da_ | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Replace_Recovery_Partition |
| 09:39.57 | DarkriftX | filename? |
| 09:40.16 | anno^da_ | AndroidMod.zip |
| 09:40.40 | DarkriftX | should be .XXX |
| 09:41.41 | anno^da_ | well I've just taken the link from your wiki. Yesterday the same link brought me to a bigger file. (4,6 MB) |
| 09:41.54 | spikebike | wow handycalc ispretty awesome |
| 09:42.21 | DarkriftX | someone edited the wiki and changed the link |
| 09:42.46 | DarkriftX | try again |
| 09:42.48 | DarkriftX | fixed link |
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| 09:43.15 | anno^da_ | thanks. I just wanted to let you know. :-) |
| 09:43.19 | DarkriftX | thx |
| 09:43.24 | DarkriftX | i deleted the bad file |
| 09:43.28 | DarkriftX | just incase lol |
| 09:43.32 | anno^da_ | :-) |
| 09:43.37 | DarkriftX | ftp doesnt have a copy command? |
| 09:46.11 | spikebike | some have rename |
| 09:46.23 | spikebike | neere seen copy |
| 09:46.25 | sparkle | yeah spikebike i really like it |
| 09:47.36 | kennyyu | hi, when building android, bison is a must? |
| 09:48.29 | Leeds | why would you *not* have bison? |
| 09:48.45 | spikebike | .me nods |
| 09:49.21 | kennyyu | ;) i don't know but my Ubuntu does not have it |
| 09:49.47 | Leeds | then install it - if that's missing, there are probably a lot of other things you will need to install |
| 09:49.49 | kennyyu | as well as zlib1g-dev |
| 09:50.04 | Leeds | I detest -dev packages |
| 09:50.13 | kennyyu | ah..? |
| 09:50.48 | kennyyu | tric told me to install it before. but if not, what should be the alternative? |
| 09:51.14 | Leeds | install it |
| 09:51.18 | Leeds | there is no alternative |
| 09:52.04 | kennyyu | oh alright ;) |
| 09:52.59 | kennyyu | i suggest we can perhaps include these in the documentation in the long run? :) |
| 09:53.53 | Leeds | I think "you must have basic development tools installed" probably counts as implied |
| 09:54.46 | kennyyu | Leeds: oh i just have discovered that the documentation has included these |
| 09:55.00 | kennyyu | strange. i must have missed that step carelessly.... |
| 09:55.12 | kIDDAI | shame on you :) |
| 09:56.22 | kennyyu | kIDDAI: heh really embarrassing :P |
| 10:04.10 | kennyyu | has his source building |
| 10:04.13 | kennyyu | seems going smoothly :) |
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| 10:08.09 | anno^da_ | can someone confirm that ShopSavvy is only available in the US ? |
| 10:08.23 | anno^da_ | (mounting works now after restarting the macbook pro) |
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| 10:09.40 | rip_ | whts the functionality of audioflinger ? |
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| 10:18.29 | anno^da_ | Hmm when I try logging into my G1 with su I get "permission denied". For rooting (RC19) I did the following. Restarted the G1. Typing "telnetd" - Pressed Enter. Started the Android telnet app and pushed connect (localhost 23) |
| 10:19.24 | xsdg | rip_: the audioflinger combines sounds and sends them to the output device, I believe (not 100% positive) |
| 10:19.43 | xsdg | rip_: I believe it does routing also, but I'm even more shaky on that |
| 10:20.46 | sparkle | anno^da_: what do you mean by "logging in with su"? |
| 10:21.06 | anno^da_ | well adb shell |
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| 10:21.58 | anno^da_ | and su from the osx console |
| 10:22.22 | anno^da_ | while the g1 is connected via USB |
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| 10:24.25 | sparkle | what update have you installed? |
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| 10:24.44 | anno^da_ | I got RC 19 installed at the moment. (1.0) |
| 10:26.08 | sparkle | so you haven't applied any other firmware updates |
| 10:26.10 | sparkle | ? |
| 10:26.17 | anno^da_ | No I havent applied any other updates. |
| 10:26.31 | sparkle | adb won't let you in as root with rc19 |
| 10:26.33 | anno^da_ | (got it yesterday from the US and the version info says RC19) |
| 10:26.34 | sparkle | unless you change things |
| 10:27.01 | anno^da_ | Well I thought that the way described above is enough to obtain root. |
| 10:27.11 | anno^da_ | this one: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rooting_Android |
| 10:28.05 | sparkle | su isn't provided with rc19 |
| 10:28.17 | sparkle | only the third-party distributions (jesusfreke and saurik) have it included |
| 10:28.35 | sparkle | look up how to flash your recovery partition and then how to update to a modified rc30 |
| 10:28.39 | sparkle | then everything will be much easier |
| 10:28.43 | sparkle | and you get in as root with adb |
| 10:29.22 | sparkle | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443041 |
| 10:29.26 | anno^da_ | Well to flash the recovery partition I need root. (from my understanding of the wikis) |
| 10:29.27 | rip_ | i want to know the details of audioflinger is there any ways to get the logs of audio flinger ? |
| 10:29.31 | sparkle | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443713 |
| 10:29.33 | sparkle | right |
| 10:29.35 | rip_ | How should i proceed with tht ? |
| 10:29.48 | sparkle | anno^da_: the way to get root is to start up telnetd from the handset |
| 10:29.55 | rip_ | i want to know the details of audioflinger is there any ways to get the logs of audio flinger ? |
| 10:29.57 | rip_ | How should i proceed with tht ? |
| 10:30.01 | sparkle | and then telnet to the phone - forget adb for the moment |
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| 10:32.59 | mikey| | is there anyway to set a hint on an editText preference? |
| 10:34.03 | mikey| | heh, nvm |
| 10:39.05 | DarkriftX | fuck |
| 10:39.12 | DarkriftX | sd isnt mounting right |
| 10:39.23 | DarkriftX | so i forced it and now it wont umount |
| 10:39.45 | DarkriftX | device is busy :S |
| 10:40.54 | anno^da_ | :P |
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| 11:06.44 | spikebike | cool |
| 11:07.06 | spikebike | c code is sending XMPP messages (over ssl) to my g1 |
| 11:07.13 | spikebike | step #1 to world domination is now complete |
| 11:07.20 | spikebike | sleeps |
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| 11:14.01 | mikey| | when the prefs screen is defined via an xml file, how do I access the preference values from inside my classes? |
| 11:17.31 | mikey| | gah, nvm, got it sorted lol |
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| 11:36.12 | anno^da_ | sparkle |
| 11:36.18 | anno^da_ | got it working now thank you. :-) |
| 11:36.30 | anno^da_ | RC30 modified is up and running fine. |
| 11:37.22 | sparkle | cool |
| 11:37.36 | sparkle | do you have much unix experience? |
| 11:38.42 | anno^da_ | well I'm working with Ubuntu but thats all. I know the basic things but not thaaat much. But I'm learning every da :-) |
| 11:40.30 | sparkle | nods |
| 11:40.36 | kennyyu__ | sorry... may i know how long approximately should i expect my building process to finish? it seems it's been taking part for at least 1-2 hours... |
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| 11:43.36 | anno^da_ | But now I can finally test my applications. :-) |
| 11:44.02 | sparkle | :) |
| 11:44.04 | sparkle | what kind of apps? |
| 11:46.26 | anno^da_ | oh some social media stuff. Being able write blog entries in your Tumblr Blog. (storing media files automatically at flickr, vimeo etc. and announcing the posts via Twitter, Technorati etc.) |
| 11:47.17 | anno^da_ | I'm curious if the app will run like in the emulator :) |
| 11:47.52 | sparkle | emulator - you mean the virtual machine |
| 11:47.53 | anno^da_ | But before Im testing I have to get something to eat. |
| 11:48.07 | anno^da_ | Yeah I mean the VM :) |
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| 12:04.33 | blau | good morning |
| 12:05.56 | blau | grrr |
| 12:08.21 | tauno | good afternoon |
| 12:11.14 | blau | having problems with phonestatelistener |
| 12:11.27 | blau | i dont understand why they didnt just let us use a broadcast receiver |
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| 12:15.57 | blau | they removed the phonestateintentreceiver from .9 wtf |
| 12:19.58 | gambler | anno^da_, you got your handset? |
| 12:20.39 | blau | anyone a java programmer? |
| 12:25.10 | tric | blau: got or is, or knows java? |
| 12:25.31 | tric | cause i know java, but currently im a android developer ;) |
| 12:26.22 | blau | tric: youll do |
| 12:26.33 | tric | maybe |
| 12:26.35 | blau | im not sure if this is even my actual problem |
| 12:26.44 | blau | but i think android is killing off the phonestatlistener i create |
| 12:27.01 | blau | all i know is that on boot, i register it so i can get notified of calls |
| 12:27.06 | blau | eventually it stops working |
| 12:27.32 | blau | i was assuming android killed it to free resources |
| 12:27.40 | blau | does that sound logical? |
| 12:28.00 | tric | phonestatlistener is what exactly? a service? activity? |
| 12:28.22 | blau | neither |
| 12:28.32 | blau | http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/telephony/PhoneStateListener.html |
| 12:28.51 | blau | i dont understand why they went this method since it doesnt jive with how this stuff is handled in android in general |
| 12:29.04 | blau | and they used to have a receiver for phone state info |
| 12:29.09 | blau | but killed it in sdk .9 |
| 12:29.49 | JuanDaugherty | *jibe |
| 12:30.01 | tric | hmm, ic. and you are using this listener in an activity? and what exactly happens? afaik an object cannot be killed/removed by android/zygote |
| 12:30.59 | blau | im passing it to http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/telephony/TelephonyManager.html#listen(android.telephony.PhoneStateListener, int) |
| 12:31.09 | blau | its created in an activity |
| 12:31.29 | JuanDaugherty | jive is either a designation of an american slang dialect or a general categorization of something as bullshit |
| 12:31.49 | blau | it definately exists for a while once the activiy ends |
| 12:31.56 | blau | juan: thanks, i reallly always thought it was jive |
| 12:32.39 | JuanDaugherty | yeah, I see it a lot, English is the defacto net language but not that many have it as a first lang. |
| 12:33.38 | JuanDaugherty | (i.e. I see jive for jibe) |
| 12:33.57 | tric | blau: and whats your problem with that? |
| 12:34.22 | blau | it only exists for a while :) |
| 12:34.29 | blau | it eventually dissapears or stops responding |
| 12:35.37 | tric | dissapears? either you have a reverence to it or not. but the gc shouldnt kill your object. |
| 12:35.50 | blau | i dont have any references, the telephonymanager should |
| 12:36.05 | blau | unless im not understanding how this works |
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| 12:37.46 | blau | is it possible that the reference that telephonymanager has isnt being accounted for by garbage collection? |
| 12:38.47 | tric | well. but you should have a reference to the telephonymanager object |
| 12:40.08 | blau | i give that up as well, but it should exist outside i would think... TelephonyManager telephonyManager = (TelephonyManager) aContext.getSystemService(Context.TELEPHONY_SERVICE); |
| 12:40.08 | blau | telephonyManager.listen(listener, PhoneStateListener.LISTEN_CALL_STATE); // |
| 12:40.08 | blau | |
| 12:40.55 | tric | why should that exist outside? all objects you dont reference can be cleaned up. |
| 12:41.40 | tric | unless telephonyManager is a new process, i dont know the TelephonyManager |
| 12:41.58 | tric | but it looks like a class and not like a service reference |
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| 12:52.45 | blau | will look into it more, ive been able to reproduce the problem better now |
| 12:52.57 | eldenz | is there any git GUI client for win32? |
| 12:54.55 | offby1 | eldenz: git gui works fine under Cygwin |
| 12:56.37 | eldenz | hokay, i assume there is nothing like tortoisesvn for git |
| 12:56.59 | blau | finalize never seems to get called |
| 12:58.01 | eldenz | hm, will try msysgit |
| 13:01.07 | offby1 | eldenz: alas, you're right: nothing like TortoiseSVN for git. |
| 13:01.24 | offby1 | There's something like TortoiseSVN for _Mercurial_, but of course that doesn't help any |
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| 13:05.19 | eldenz | $ git clone git://android.git.kernel.org/projects; --> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
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| 13:08.26 | eldenz | hmkay, if i point it directly to a .git file it works ;) |
| 13:09.01 | offby1 | not surprisingly |
| 13:09.19 | tric | blau: just watch out for gc messages in logcat and check for t-manager existence after that ;) |
| 13:09.32 | eldenz | (i shall read some git intro tonight) |
| 13:10.58 | blau | tric: just did, and it does seem to die after garbage collection |
| 13:11.13 | blau | guess i need a service to keep it alive :( |
| 13:11.20 | blau | there goes the battery |
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| 13:11.23 | eldenz | offby1, it's just that the header on http://android.git.kernel.org says to clone a complete tree you could just submit the *path* |
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| 13:15.34 | blau | tric: should finalize() be called though by the gc? |
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| 13:18.46 | tric | blau: hmm, finalize() of what? of the listener? maybe. but just write a service that only holds a reference. |
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| 13:20.08 | blau | of the listener |
| 13:20.26 | mikey| | hmmm |
| 13:20.31 | blau | because it doesnt seem to be, but im 99% sure its garbage collection now |
| 13:21.09 | mikey| | im launching another class with startActivityForResult, but my on ActivityResult doesnt get called |
| 13:21.24 | blau | tric: thanks for the help, talking it out is always good for me |
| 13:21.44 | blau | i came to the check LogCat conclusion about 5 seconds before I saw you say it lol |
| 13:22.02 | blau | mikey: is onactivityresult spelled right? |
| 13:22.22 | mikey| | >.<, silly typo |
| 13:23.01 | blau | it wa sa type? |
| 13:23.03 | mikey| | but it's still not doing what i wanted, I want to launch my prefs screen, get a callback when it finishes so I can reload the prefs. |
| 13:23.03 | blau | typo |
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| 13:23.10 | mikey| | any idea how i can do that? |
| 13:23.22 | blau | whats it not doing? |
| 13:23.39 | mikey| | as soon as I launch the prefs screen, it calls onActivityResult |
| 13:23.48 | mikey| | I want it to wait until the prefs is closed |
| 13:24.25 | blau | oh, hmm |
| 13:24.30 | blau | is it a preferencesactivity? |
| 13:24.31 | mikey| | I followed the example here: http://code.google.com/android/kb/commontasks.html |
| 13:24.36 | mikey| | "Returning a Result from a Screen" |
| 13:24.39 | mikey| | yeah |
| 13:25.19 | blau | hmm |
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| 13:27.36 | mikey| | I have this in my manifest: android:launchMode="singleInstance", would that make a difference? |
| 13:28.45 | blau | i don tthink so |
| 13:29.24 | mikey| | I suppose I could send a message via a handler when prefs.onDestroy is called :/ |
| 13:29.31 | pohamir | so is there anyway to turn on ipv4 forwarding on in the G1? is the kernel even built with support? |
| 13:29.48 | mikey| | connectbot can do forwarding iirc |
| 13:30.25 | pohamir | uh, not what i am looking for |
| 13:30.44 | infernix | pohamir: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444004 |
| 13:30.47 | infernix | you need root, though |
| 13:30.50 | pohamir | infernix: thanks |
| 13:30.51 | sparkle | pohamir: sure |
| 13:31.15 | offby1 | eldenz: I guess the word "path" is ambiguous. It would have helped if that header had an example. |
| 13:31.16 | sparkle | you need root access of course |
| 13:31.58 | pohamir | okay sounds good |
| 13:33.04 | blau | mikey: you could do that but theres gotta be some silly mistake not making it work as expected |
| 13:34.52 | pohamir | herm infernix sparkle, was more looking towards mobile network usage instead of wifi :\ but better then nothing |
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| 13:37.29 | blau | made a service wheeee |
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| 13:38.58 | sparkle | pohamir: what kind of mobile usage? |
| 13:39.53 | pohamir | as in the cell networks instead of wifi |
| 13:40.20 | pohamir | or did i misread that thread |
| 13:41.20 | sparkle | that is using ip forwarding to share an edge or 3g connection over an ad hoc 802.11 network |
| 13:41.28 | pohamir | okay |
| 13:41.31 | pohamir | i read it wrong |
| 13:41.36 | sparkle | there are also some directions for sharing over bluetooth |
| 13:41.40 | sparkle | but there are still some speed issues there |
| 13:41.53 | infernix | pohamir: it behaves as an access point, and gives you access to your 2G/3G line over that |
| 13:42.07 | pohamir | perfect |
| 13:42.07 | infernix | or if not access point, then ad-hoc wifi |
| 13:42.12 | sparkle | nods |
| 13:42.22 | pohamir | that was exactly what i was looking for |
| 13:42.22 | sparkle | i don't know if anyone's got wpa_supplicant to encrypt yet |
| 13:42.40 | sparkle | but other than that it's fine |
| 13:43.13 | pohamir | on a differnt note (as in not connected to the last topic), any vpn clients for android yet? |
| 13:43.35 | pohamir | pptp or openvpn, preferably |
| 13:44.13 | pohamir | :] |
| 13:44.39 | sparkle | there was some work done in that direction, i'm trying to remember by whom |
| 13:45.22 | sparkle | someone almost had something working |
| 13:45.43 | sparkle | i just run a script that auto-reconnects an ssh session to another box with port forwarding |
| 13:45.52 | sparkle | it seems to work pretty well |
| 13:46.27 | pohamir | thanks for your help sparkle also infernix |
| 13:46.29 | blau | looks like the service is the way to go! |
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| 13:51.42 | mpardo | is there an android equivalent of Audio.CaptureThread? |
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| 14:12.20 | tric | blau: about your question: But |
| 14:12.23 | tric | what concerns do I need to have about services dieing? |
| 14:12.35 | tric | services wont be killed by zygote. |
| 14:12.51 | tric | thats the idea of a service. |
| 14:14.55 | jbq_ | processes that host services do get killed by the kernel when the memory is necessary. |
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| 14:17.23 | DJTachyon | ugh, 125KB/s pipe + XP Remote Desktop + Port 23 + VM Workstation + Kubuntu + Console = Annoying |
| 14:18.13 | DJTachyon | anything i type in the kubuntu konsole while running in vm ware on an xp machine over remote desktop i get multiple keystrokes when i hit a letter |
| 14:19.11 | DJTachyon | who's problem do you think that is? :P |
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| 14:26.35 | vol | DJTachyon: that's fun isn't it : ( |
| 14:26.59 | vol | really wants to just repartition his work machine |
| 14:27.12 | vol | my dev time would FLY if I could do that. |
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| 14:28.42 | blau | grr at sendtextmssage not sending to emails |
| 14:28.55 | Disconnect | can do whatever he wants to his work box :) beauty of a tiny .com |
| 14:30.01 | blau | i bet you cant make love to it |
| 14:31.21 | DJTachyon | well im remote'd in to home |
| 14:31.51 | DJTachyon | bah ..wait i drag and dropped an RPM to the kubuntu desktop and that isnt /Desktop ? |
| 14:31.53 | blau | what are your favorite apps for android |
| 14:32.09 | DJTachyon | Solitare ;) |
| 14:32.29 | DJTachyon | AndNav |
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| 14:32.34 | DJTachyon | (when it is finished) |
| 14:32.58 | sparkle | connectbot :) |
| 14:33.13 | vol | DJTachyon: mind letting me know how the beta of andnav 2 is? |
| 14:34.15 | DJTachyon | actually i didnt get it sent out last night .. i was just looking into that |
| 14:34.43 | Disconnect | twitdroid. k-9. |
| 14:34.49 | Disconnect | browser, except for eating my storage. |
| 14:35.37 | sparkle | nods |
| 14:35.57 | tauno | finished adding navigation to my app - it could have been much easier if google just provided the API for managing directions/routes |
| 14:36.01 | DJTachyon | heh he responded personally to me on his forums .. but didnt send it out .. he told me to drop him a message if i want it |
| 14:36.13 | DJTachyon | tauno .. navigation? |
| 14:36.29 | tauno | err.. I mean.. directions :P |
| 14:36.29 | DJTachyon | not turn by turn i hope ;) |
| 14:36.31 | sparkle | handycalc has me pleasantly surprised |
| 14:36.40 | tauno | turn by turn but not realtime :) |
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| 14:37.16 | tauno | I understood that this is not forbidden (; |
| 14:37.19 | blau | you guys were supposed to say that my apps are the best |
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| 14:39.24 | infernix | hmm, just noticed "merge calls", can i do a 3 way conversation on a G1? |
| 14:40.27 | sparkle | sure |
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| 14:40.40 | blau | yup |
| 14:40.44 | sparkle | most any gsm handset in the last decade can do it |
| 14:41.10 | Disconnect | sparkle: s/gsm// |
| 14:41.33 | sparkle | Disconnect: i work for a prepay cellco, i know how much schlock there is in cdmaland :) |
| 14:41.56 | sparkle | but gsm supported it natively from the beginning |
| 14:42.47 | sparkle | we don't even let our users do call forwarding :p |
| 14:43.35 | Disconnect | wow. you could be billing double minutes for calls that don't even go over radio.. why not? |
| 14:44.28 | sparkle | because it's a prepay - most of our customers are drug pushers, prostitutes and the like :p |
| 14:44.40 | sparkle | and they abuse call forwarding like you would not believe |
| 14:44.59 | blau | lol |
| 14:45.12 | blau | they should just sign up for grandcentral |
| 14:45.39 | sparkle | shrugs |
| 14:45.43 | tauno | wait - you guys pay something for callforwarding? huh.. |
| 14:45.55 | blau | tmobile charges for call forwarding |
| 14:46.02 | tauno | awww.. |
| 14:46.04 | blau | most other us carriers just take mintutes |
| 14:46.31 | Disconnect | blau: i just pay 2x minutes (as if it was going to my phone and dialing out again) |
| 14:46.41 | Disconnect | which is still dumb as fsck but.. |
| 14:46.56 | tauno | they don't take anything here.. it's completely free for you and the one who calls, pays the usual stuff.. nothing more.. it's like an usual phone call |
| 14:47.35 | Disconnect | i think its free to do something like that visual vm app where it forwards unanswered calls to a different handler. but standard forwarding is 2x minutes |
| 14:48.02 | Disconnect | so if you are missing with asterisk you want to switch people to calling the pbx number and have that do the (free) forwarding, not the other way around. even if the cell is always the first # rung |
| 14:48.22 | sparkle | tauno: "caller pays" isn't the general rule in the usa where cell phones are concerned |
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| 14:48.41 | sparkle | i kind of wish that it was |
| 14:48.55 | Disconnect | its kinda neat that you get to bill twice for sms's tho. (sender and receiver) |
| 14:48.59 | tauno | sparkle, can you explain it a little more? :) |
| 14:49.04 | sparkle | well like |
| 14:49.24 | sparkle | i'm not sure where you are, but i know in many parts of europe, calls to cell phone numbers cost more for the caller |
| 14:49.48 | sparkle | here it's all on the receiver's end |
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| 14:50.44 | Disconnect | 99.% of the (residential) landlines are flat-unlimited calling, and most business lines pay about 9 cents per outgoing call (flat minutes). so there is no price difference between calling a cell and calling a landline |
| 14:51.04 | tauno | I'm also in a small country in europe and here only the one who initiates the call pays (the same goes for landline calls and sms/mms) |
| 14:51.09 | Disconnect | its all paid by the receiver (and landline long distance is billed, although thats getting cheaper since most cellphone plans come with free long distance) |
| 14:51.18 | sparkle | well, flat unlimited for local calls anyway |
| 14:51.49 | sparkle | long distance can be structured a lot of different ways |
| 14:52.04 | sparkle | nods |
| 14:52.23 | sparkle | i would love it if senders got charged more to call my cell |
| 14:52.28 | sparkle | it might ring less often |
| 14:52.30 | tauno | ..and here almost nobody has a landline anymore - basically only some companies use it "just in case" :) |
| 14:53.18 | tauno | everyone has a cell phone and you pay when you want to call somebody - if you only want to receive calls/SMS, then it's totally free for you |
| 14:53.57 | tauno | I can't imagine if I would have to pay something so I can receive a call.. |
| 14:54.03 | sparkle | sounds like paradise... |
| 14:54.29 | tauno | I mean.. it's absurd - how do I actually know if I want to receive the call and it's not just someone who accidentally dialed the wrong number or stuff? |
| 14:54.38 | sparkle | nods |
| 14:54.44 | sparkle | it's absurd, but so is airline ticket pricing |
| 14:55.01 | sparkle | mobile phone rate plans in general are absurd |
| 14:55.07 | tauno | sparkle, huh? |
| 14:55.09 | sparkle | finely tuned exercises to trip people up |
| 14:55.34 | sparkle | well, say i have a basic plan that covers...500 minutes of airtime per month |
| 14:55.37 | sparkle | or something like that |
| 14:55.45 | Disconnect | how often do you get calls that are wrong number? i get at most 1 a month. and they never take even a full minute to deal with. |
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| 14:56.10 | sparkle | that costs you maybe $35/mo. if you bought 1000 minutes per month it might go up to 55/mo or so |
| 14:56.24 | sparkle | but if you bought the $35/mo plan and then went through 1000 minutes that month, you might be out over $200 |
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| 14:56.45 | sparkle | it's a strange system |
| 14:56.55 | Dialekt | SPLOINK! |
| 14:57.01 | tauno | Disconnect, yeah.. true.. but I still get maybe once per month a call from my bank and they try to convince me how great their new deal is... and this call goes on for like 5-10 minutes :P |
| 14:57.15 | tauno | but you're right.. it's not that much |
| 14:57.20 | sparkle | nods |
| 14:57.35 | vol | tauno: say "this phone call ends in 15 seconds. We can end it politely, or abruptly." |
| 14:57.39 | Dialekt | tryin splinkin on it! |
| 14:57.45 | tauno | vol, lol :) |
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| 14:57.54 | bwr | anybody know of a VOIP over Wifi solution for the g1 yet? :) |
| 14:58.00 | Disconnect | tauno: thats illegal in the us. no sales calls to cellphones |
| 14:58.21 | vol | Disconnect: I'm pretty sure that if you have an existing relationship to the company and that's the contact number you gave, you might get away with it |
| 14:58.23 | tauno | Disconnect, interesting.. |
| 14:58.28 | sparkle | nods |
| 14:58.33 | vol | no cold calls to cell numbers, that's for certain |
| 14:58.34 | Disconnect | vol: not if you tell them its a cell |
| 14:58.45 | vol | hmm. |
| 14:58.59 | vol | wasn't aware, though I certainly don't get any legitimate cold calls to my phone |
| 14:59.03 | sparkle | bwr: soon :) |
| 14:59.05 | vol | curses the stupid car warrenty scam calls |
| 14:59.26 | sparkle | this is one reason i want a good blacklist app |
| 14:59.38 | bwr | sparkle: sweet, are there work in progess projects going on that I can watch? |
| 14:59.38 | sparkle | everyone not on the list gets routed straight to voicemail |
| 14:59.51 | bwr | sparkle: yea, that would be sweet |
| 14:59.54 | Disconnect | they can call for specific "maintentence" style calls (eg account overdrawn, we're raising/lowering limits, contract expiring, whatever) but they can't make straight sales calls. (no automated dialers) |
| 15:00.38 | blau | is there anyway to hang up on a callprogramatically? |
| 15:01.30 | blau | boo |
| 15:01.30 | blau | Hanging up incoming call programmaticaly is currently impossible. |
| 15:01.51 | blau | i suppose I could silence the phone if its a non known number |
| 15:02.02 | blau | but that would need to be done quickly |
| 15:02.43 | mikey| | is there any backing up software for g1? |
| 15:02.44 | sparkle | nods |
| 15:03.07 | blau | where are the logs for this channel |
| 15:03.14 | Dougie187 | ~logs |
| 15:03.15 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 15:03.25 | Disconnect | mikey|: no. its not secure to let you save your data. |
| 15:03.45 | tauno | anyhow.. we don't have landlines here anymore (well I have a landline number but It comes free with my IPTV/Internet thingie and I don't have an actual phone connected to it.. the same goes for everybody that I know.. honestly speaking - I don't know of anybody who has an actual landline phone) - so imagine the chaos that happens every time some cell network goes down for a few minutes/hours ;) |
| 15:03.52 | mikey| | not sure how you mean Disconnect ? |
| 15:04.16 | vol | yes, the total chaos of not having to deal with people on the phone |
| 15:04.20 | vol | what a horrid nightmare |
| 15:04.38 | Disconnect | mikey|: backing up and restoring require allowing the backup app access to data from other apps. thats not "secure" according to the asinine poorly thought out security policy |
| 15:05.10 | mikey| | hmm...my 2nd g1 replacement :/ dont wanna customize it all again |
| 15:05.21 | Disconnect | root it and back up stuff you like from the commandline |
| 15:05.28 | sparkle | nods |
| 15:05.51 | mikey| | im on rc30, what ever the non rootable is |
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| 15:06.13 | Disconnect | then call tmobile and ask them to help you save your settings and sms's and popmail and stuff. |
| 15:06.21 | blau | is there a way to find a conact with a phone number |
| 15:06.25 | Disconnect | (wow i didn't think about pop mail until now. ..) |
| 15:06.34 | blau | like say i have 17327567362, can i check a contact for that number? |
| 15:06.57 | Disconnect | mikey|: there is no way to do it but the more people call and bitch the more likely it'll get flagged to be investigated above the support level |
| 15:07.39 | sparkle | mm |
| 15:07.44 | sparkle | hey i have a weird bug in the dialer |
| 15:07.47 | sparkle | anyone want to hear it? |
| 15:07.51 | tauno | sure |
| 15:07.59 | sparkle | ok, i normally don't broadcast caller id |
| 15:08.19 | sparkle | on my personal phone, which is what the g1 is now for me |
| 15:08.22 | sparkle | but |
| 15:08.33 | sparkle | i "whitelist" contacts by prefixing their numbers with *31# |
| 15:08.47 | sparkle | which is the gsm code for allowing id just for that call |
| 15:09.03 | sparkle | if i manually open up contacts, go to the contact and dial it, it works |
| 15:09.21 | sparkle | if i just hit redial afterwards, or dial from the call log screen, it strips the *31# |
| 15:09.29 | sparkle | anycut also always strips it |
| 15:09.31 | sparkle | it's annoying :p |
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| 15:11.18 | vol | I suspect that's intentional? |
| 15:11.43 | vol | also, how do you not broadcast caller id |
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| 15:12.13 | sparkle | i find it hard to believe that it's intentional, given that the first call is ok, and a redial gives different behavior |
| 15:12.39 | sparkle | menu / settings / call settings / additional call settings / caller id |
| 15:12.56 | vol | hmm |
| 15:13.37 | mikey| | "Cannot instantiate the type ContentResolver", any idea why this pops up? |
| 15:13.52 | mikey| | the constructer is ContentResolver(Context context) |
| 15:14.02 | mikey| | im calling it with "this" |
| 15:17.17 | mikey| | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:25.33 | blau | can someone decipher this Hey can you make a email program so that its kinda like the I'm interface so that we click on the one we wanna open and the main thing is the ability to delete emails I have yet figured out how to get them out of my trash can |
| 15:25.39 | weilawei | im having huge problems with my messaging app. its very very slow, always hangs... anyone know what to do? |
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| 15:25.56 | Disconnect | blau: he wants k-9. and more weed. |
| 15:26.09 | Disconnect | weilawei: too many sms's cause it to do that. :( |
| 15:26.35 | weilawei | okay but i text a LOT... |
| 15:26.42 | weilawei | so do i have to clear them? |
| 15:27.10 | blau | yeah, but even after clearing them performance still sucks, although it wont cause the wait to pop up |
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| 15:27.44 | weilawei | this blows...i dont want to reset my phone to fix it either |
| 15:28.12 | Disconnect | i wonder if sqlite maint (optimize table or similar) might help |
| 15:28.13 | blau | itll just come back anyway |
| 15:28.56 | blau | popularity calculation seems to be retarded |
| 15:29.07 | mikey| | anyone here worked with Cursors? |
| 15:29.47 | blau | sql? |
| 15:29.56 | blau | yes |
| 15:30.30 | mikey| | im trying to retrieve a list of bookmarks |
| 15:30.31 | vol | I curse a lot |
| 15:30.37 | vol | does that help? |
| 15:30.45 | mikey| | the method returns a cursor but I dont know howto access the bookmarks |
| 15:31.00 | mikey| | http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/provider/Browser.html#getAllBookmarks(android.content.ContentResolver) |
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| 15:31.26 | blau | did you do cursor.movetofirst? |
| 15:31.49 | mikey| | trying it with it now |
| 15:31.54 | vol | do getColumnNames to figure out what is where there |
| 15:31.55 | mikey| | nope, still crashed |
| 15:32.03 | mikey| | column names shows _id and url |
| 15:32.11 | mikey| | but im confused about how to access it |
| 15:32.23 | blau | getcount? |
| 15:33.16 | mikey| | getCount shows 13, so I tried t.append(bm.getString(10));, says "get field slot from row 0 col 10 failed" |
| 15:33.16 | vol | while(cursor.moveToNext()) myUrls.add(cursor.getString(1)); |
| 15:33.33 | vol | mikey|: you have it backwards |
| 15:33.37 | vol | that's 13 rows, not columns : ) |
| 15:33.42 | vol | you have 2 columns, _id and url |
| 15:33.51 | vol | actually, I'm not sure if _id is built in |
| 15:33.57 | vol | regardless |
| 15:34.18 | vol | you need to iterate over the rows and perform getString on the url column |
| 15:34.27 | vol | actually, what would be safest |
| 15:34.36 | vol | int colIx = cursor.getColumnIndex("url"); |
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| 15:34.53 | vol | while(cursor.moveToNext()) { myUrls.add(cursor.getString(colIx)); } |
| 15:35.39 | vol | mm, that will skip the first row, make it a do-while? |
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| 15:36.00 | vol | use getPosition to get your row # |
| 15:36.14 | blau | movetonext works fine if you dont do a movetofirst |
| 15:36.53 | vol | oh, does it start you before row 1? |
| 15:36.58 | vol | er, the first row |
| 15:37.15 | vol | it HAS been a while : ) |
| 15:37.54 | blau | crap |
| 15:38.00 | blau | i worked on this awesom sql and lost it somewhere |
| 15:40.07 | DJTachyon | ugh i havent worked on my app since sdk 0.9 |
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| 15:40.35 | DJTachyon | the xml editor is nice, but how do you set the text field on a button |
| 15:40.40 | DJTachyon | i dont see the property |
| 15:41.09 | DJTachyon | oh there it is :P |
| 15:41.22 | DJTachyon | faceslaps |
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| 15:42.08 | blau | lol |
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| 15:43.11 | mikey| | vol: that worked perfectly, thanks! |
| 15:43.30 | vol | you're welcome : ) |
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| 15:43.46 | mikey| | thats 1 part of the backup complete |
| 15:43.52 | mikey| | backup app * |
| 15:44.28 | Disconnect | its gonna require root :( |
| 15:45.21 | mikey| | we'll see lol |
| 15:45.49 | Disconnect | you can't shareuserid phone unless you have google signing keys |
| 15:46.08 | mikey| | im curious how the browser stores the bookmarks, the content provider shows only 2 fields, _id and url, but when editing the bookmark, it stores the name somewhere |
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| 15:51.43 | tauno | http://code.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/polylinealgorithm.html - "An encoded level value of 3 in this case would ensure that a point appears in all zoom level" why so? the table shows it's only visible in levels 15-18 |
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| 15:55.50 | tauno | or what am I missing here.. |
| 15:55.54 | unix_lappy | is anyone working on a google reader app for Android? |
| 15:56.27 | eldenz | unix_lappy, for auto notification of new items? |
| 15:56.42 | eldenz | the mobile view i very useable imo |
| 15:56.50 | eldenz | usable |
| 15:57.06 | unix_lappy | eldenz: no, that functionality has been available for a long time. |
| 15:57.28 | unix_lappy | I'm talking about an local Google Reader app for android. |
| 15:57.37 | Disconnect | i'd love to see it not randomly display the page, then reload (marking expanded articles as read in the process) |
| 15:57.39 | Disconnect | that'd be awesome |
| 15:57.52 | Leeds | yes, that would be nice |
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| 15:58.32 | Leeds | I'm still not sure if I prefer the mobile view or the 'iphone' view |
| 15:58.42 | eldenz | i'd like to see the real contents instead of the google-stripped version |
| 15:59.04 | Leeds | that can be annoying - particularly when it gives 404 instead of displaying |
| 15:59.35 | anno^da_ | Is it possible that Android is sending some kind of SMS to T-Mobile (or tries too) I'm getting 60 SMS from my provider (unlocked G1) that the phone was not able to send some special sms to an unknown number. But I'm not sending any SMS. And the ones I'm sending are ok and get their way to the receiver. |
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| 16:00.10 | vol | could be something you're running |
| 16:00.28 | eldenz | leeds, didn't know that there is an iphone view :o i guess you are referring to google.com/reader/m? |
| 16:00.39 | Leeds | no, google.com/reader/i |
| 16:01.02 | Disconnect | eldenz: there are 2 mobile reader versions. the wap-style antique text one and the iphone/g1/javascript one |
| 16:01.16 | Leeds | anno^da_: unlikely... not noticed anything like that on my unlocked G1 |
| 16:01.25 | eldenz | ah, that is the one that displays automatically for me if i enter the normal url in android browser, i like it |
| 16:01.49 | Leeds | yeah, although in some ways the old-fashioned one is still better |
| 16:02.37 | Disconnect | Leeds: what ways? i can't stand it (used it for a while on my e90 before the iphone ver was released) |
| 16:02.49 | Disconnect | i accept that it might have been a poor interaction between e90 browsing methods and the site tho |
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| 16:05.30 | Leeds | I used it for a long time on my Treo... if you've got a reasonably low-latency connection, the one-item-per-page model can work well |
| 16:06.03 | Leeds | I don't like the reflowing it does on the posh version when things like banner ads appear - I end up tapping the wrong thing too often because it's still rendering the item |
| 16:07.21 | unix_lappy | heh, well at least you dont have to use a Treo anymore. |
| 16:07.26 | unix_lappy | (assuming your G1 is fixed) |
| 16:08.12 | Disconnect | i really need to port an adblocking proxy over. |
| 16:08.23 | Disconnect | (to native bionic, screw that java crap) |
| 16:08.24 | anno^da_ | Leeds: Thank you for your response. After every restart of the phone I get new messages and after that every hour. I'm getting to 100 received SMS today. :P |
| 16:08.46 | Leeds | my G1 is good, thanks :-) |
| 16:08.52 | Leeds | anno^da_: that's bad... |
| 16:09.31 | unix_lappy | most carriers have SMS blocking utilities setup. |
| 16:09.40 | unix_lappy | (except for T-Mobile iirc |
| 16:09.50 | vol | anno^da_: you really ought to call tmobile support and see if they know anything about that |
| 16:09.55 | vol | at the very least ask them to not try and charge you for this |
| 16:10.11 | vol | again, check what apps you have installed, see if any try and send sms/mms |
| 16:10.29 | sparkle | Disconnect: the internet junkbuster is fairly light :) |
| 16:10.42 | Disconnect | yah |
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| 16:12.31 | sparkle | want to hear something scary? |
| 16:12.36 | Leeds | erm, I think anno^da_ isn't using t-mob |
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| 16:18.41 | anno^da_ | Right the sms started incoming right after I activated the phone :) |
| 16:19.06 | anno^da_ | I'm using not T-Mobile. I'm using a prepaid provider here over in Germany. :-) |
| 16:19.45 | anno^da_ | And everything is working fine now except the huge number of SMS messages. |
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| 16:20.10 | unix_lappy | has anyone actually consistently run out of room for apps and such on their G1's? |
| 16:20.15 | anno^da_ | Let me look at Logcat if I can see some SMS sending going on. |
| 16:20.33 | anno^da_ | unix_lappy: Yeah after one day of usage. (trying out all the stuff in the market) |
| 16:21.00 | anno^da_ | The storage is my only criticism at the moment. |
| 16:21.15 | sparkle | anno^da_: are they going to an sms shortcode? |
| 16:21.19 | unix_lappy | well i wont be trying out ALL the apps in the market. |
| 16:21.23 | unix_lappy | i'm talking about normal usage. |
| 16:21.29 | zhobbs | yeah, the storage is weak |
| 16:21.34 | sparkle | if you're using rc30 outside of the usa, you may be blasting out myfaves pings |
| 16:21.37 | anno^da_ | sparkle: Well I cant see the number it is going too. |
| 16:21.50 | sparkle | you may want to use...rc8 i think it is |
| 16:22.14 | anno^da_ | unix_lappy: Well at the moment we wont run out of space. But lets wait for the big number of games when selling paid apps is allowed. |
| 16:22.23 | anno^da_ | I bet we will run out of space very very fast. |
| 16:22.52 | unix_lappy | anno^da_: yea I suspect there is a plan to alleviate that shortcoming... |
| 16:23.13 | anno^da_ | sparkle: I will look at it in the logcat right now. |
| 16:23.39 | unix_lappy | and anything more than casual gaming on the phone is asinine anyway. |
| 16:23.50 | anno^da_ | unix_lappy: That would be great. I'm just being feared of apps runing not that fast from the sd card. |
| 16:24.02 | sparkle | anno^da_: my sdcard is faster than the internal flash |
| 16:24.08 | anno^da_ | ok. :-) |
| 16:24.14 | anno^da_ | Haven't testedt that out. |
| 16:24.27 | sparkle | that's not to say it's very fast |
| 16:24.29 | sparkle | :-/ |
| 16:24.34 | anno^da_ | By the way which SD cards would you recommend I'm going to buy one in the next days. |
| 16:25.06 | sparkle | i would get a class 6 or above 8GB card |
| 16:25.08 | unix_lappy | the way i see it is, i could either buy a G1+8GB microSD+netbook or get an iPhone. |
| 16:25.12 | sparkle | i have a class 6 A-data |
| 16:25.16 | unix_lappy | it'll work out to the same cost after 2 years ;-) |
| 16:25.18 | Disconnect | unix_lappy: get an iphone |
| 16:25.33 | sparkle | it's noticably faster than the class 4 kingston |
| 16:25.51 | eldenz | what class is the new 16G from sandisk? |
| 16:25.52 | Disconnect | unix_lappy: i run out of space on an almost daily basis since everything caches to /data (ahem google) |
| 16:25.58 | sparkle | eldenz: slower i think |
| 16:26.03 | anno^da_ | Has someone recognized that it takes much much longer to get a GPS fix when the keyboard is open? My app gets the GPS location after 5 secs when I close the keyboard but when I have it open it takes minutes. |
| 16:26.16 | unix_lappy | Disconnect: how many apps from market? |
| 16:26.27 | sparkle | but i'm not sure |
| 16:26.54 | Disconnect | not an unreasonable amount, but browser + streetview + market takes up 15+ megs (total) when they get rolling |
| 16:27.19 | luok | anybody ever have to wait like 10 seconds for the home screen to come up? |
| 16:27.19 | mpardo | Is there a way to process incoming audio in real time? or do i need to chunk it out into files and process it that way? |
| 16:27.22 | Death_Syn | my 4gb microsd has only run out of space when I filled it with movies |
| 16:27.28 | unix_lappy | define:unreasonable. |
| 16:27.32 | anno^da_ | Would it be so expensive to get more inside the G1. (built in) |
| 16:27.34 | eldenz | luok, yeah i have that sometimes... |
| 16:27.45 | Death_Syn | i'mma flip to an 8gb or bigger soon |
| 16:28.10 | sparkle | anno^da_: i suspect the next android handset will have a lot more internal flash |
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| 16:28.17 | luok | arg i hate process of finding stable subset of apps |
| 16:28.24 | luok | that don't kill performace |
| 16:28.26 | eldenz | luok, iirc it happened mostly after leaving the browser.. |
| 16:28.29 | sparkle | there are some bandaid fixes that could certainly be done to use a portion of the sdcard for apps |
| 16:28.36 | sparkle | it just makes things...less "clean" |
| 16:29.01 | luok | eldenz: doh! |
| 16:29.12 | unix_lappy | Disconnect: most people dont have more than 5-10 apps from the appstore that they use "regularly" |
| 16:29.34 | unix_lappy | (on the iphone) |
| 16:29.42 | anno^da_ | sparkle: Well thats right but why the hell did they decide to save money on such an important detail. I dont really understand it. My old Palm device has more storage. |
| 16:30.04 | Disconnect | unix_lappy: but they do have dozens installed. you're comparing apples and oranges (no pun intended) |
| 16:31.11 | eldenz | sparkle, seems like it's Class 2 :( (=at least 2MB/s) oO have to hdparm that tonight.. 2MB/s would suck |
| 16:31.17 | sparkle | yeah |
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| 16:31.42 | unix_lappy | Disconnect: dozens is more than 3 screens worth of apps. |
| 16:31.48 | eldenz | should've researched a bit more before i blindly bought one.. but i'm a space junkie :x |
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| 16:32.30 | Disconnect | unix_lappy: they also can install/uninstall without losing data.. |
| 16:32.34 | tech9iner | any keyword hints on finding what the seemingly random numeric filename scheme is by g1's camera please. no clarity on google here. thanks |
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| 16:33.46 | Disconnect | just asked 2 coworkers, one has about 25 (5 regularly used) and one has 29.. |
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| 16:35.23 | wastrel | 25 what now? |
| 16:35.51 | anno^da_ | Disconnect: But the most are used to have a lot of space. And now they should save space. Sounds a bit weird. (whats the cost of a 2GB internal storage) For sure we can manage with the 256MB but I dont get the reason why it has to be that small. Is it more energy efficient? |
| 16:36.11 | wastrel | i seem to be constantly running out of space it's very annoying |
| 16:36.48 | wastrel | i think it's the gmail app |
| 16:36.51 | wastrel | i wish it would use the sd card |
| 16:37.58 | wastrel | do deleted apps leave zombie data in flash? |
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| 16:38.19 | unix_lappy | mail is stored to internal flash? |
| 16:38.30 | wastrel | i dunno |
| 16:38.49 | wastrel | but i haven't installed new software and got the "low on space" notification |
| 16:40.42 | wastrel | do location-aware apps work when gps is off? |
| 16:40.51 | wastrel | are there really people who leave GPS on ? |
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| 16:41.35 | ITechJunkie | wastrel: I leave gps on... but to answer you other question, if i'm not mistaken the g1 can use a wireless connection to get the general area of where you are. |
| 16:41.39 | wastrel | i have 15 apps installed |
| 16:41.55 | wastrel | ITechJunkie: do you get like 4 hours of battery life? |
| 16:42.04 | ITechJunkie | wastrel: nope, it lasts all day |
| 16:42.10 | wastrel | weird |
| 16:42.17 | jsharkey | tech9iner: i think we found earlier that the media player thumbnails use unix timestamps on the sdcard, maybe the photos do the same? |
| 16:42.29 | jsharkey | *for the numerical filenames |
| 16:42.42 | wastrel | mine has good battery life when i have decent cell signal, crappy when i have poor signal |
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| 16:42.54 | wastrel | and gps just sucks it down almost visibly |
| 16:44.52 | tech9iner | jsharkey; thanks muchly mate. unix timestamp is fresh keyword fodder indeed.. |
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| 16:45.25 | jsharkey | tech9iner: does it appear to match though? |
| 16:45.30 | jsharkey | digs out sdcard |
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| 16:46.36 | jsharkey | tech9iner: yep it looks like any photos taken match System.currentTimeMillis() |
| 16:47.13 | sparkle | hmm |
| 16:47.27 | sparkle | [147311.251366] init: Failed to bind socket 'zygote': No such file or directory |
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| 16:47.43 | tech9iner | jsharkey; tis appreciated lad. your time. |
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| 16:48.31 | jsharkey | tech9iner: you should consider using the ContentProvider instead of looking at raw file names for the pictures tho |
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| 16:49.10 | tech9iner | jsharkey; lol.. more keyword fodder for this g1 infant ;] |
| 16:49.33 | jsharkey | tech9iner: are you trying to do something specific? |
| 16:50.39 | florz | I'm not sure whether this is the right channel for the question, but let's see ... suppose I have a g1 with the keyboard-accessible root shell that hasn't been "google-activated" yet - any chance to get the wlan up and running blindly so as to have a closer look via telnet not quite as blindly? |
| 16:51.26 | tech9iner | jsharkey; pix are huge part of my business here. not unusual when assessing clients' fleet to take 5-40 pix of 50-100 city buses for ie and then use them for proposals/quotes. hence my questions. 7 yrs on tux and never once heard 'unix timestamps'; much less know how to parse them. |
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| 16:52.19 | tech9iner | would prefer more standard options in g1's camera on filenaming schemes &/or 'series' choices |
| 16:52.47 | tech9iner | confident in time OSS developers will address this |
| 16:53.31 | tech9iner | any exploits for rooting rc30 yet mates please? |
| 16:53.33 | jsharkey | tech9iner: its just the milliseoconds since the epoch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time |
| 16:53.56 | florz | s/milli// |
| 16:54.19 | andyross | FWIW, lots of the camera problems (dog slow autofocus, abnormally long exposure/accumulation times leading to blur and saturation) are below the level of the camera application and can't be fixed without (presumably) some docs from Qualcomm. It's just generally awful, sadly. |
| 16:54.54 | offby1 | andyross: I only just tuned in to this discussion, but I'll say: yes, the camera is a big disappointment |
| 16:54.59 | offby1 | it's so sluggish it's not worth using |
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| 16:55.12 | offby1 | I wish they hadn't included it at all, and lowered the phone's price a bit instead |
| 16:55.20 | andyross | It works OK in midday sunlight. Indoors, yeah: I have yet to take a picture worth saving. |
| 16:55.55 | offby1 | Is it really doing autofocus? I assumed it was fixed-focus. (I have a cheap fixed-focus digital camera that works surprisingly well) |
| 16:56.11 | Disconnect | offby1: you can hear it focus |
| 16:56.25 | jsharkey | are there many cell phones out there with better cameras? ive had a few nokias that have been worse for taking indoor pix |
| 16:56.31 | offby1 | I can see it do _something_ that _looks_ like focusing but I figured I was misunderstanding |
| 16:56.58 | tech9iner | ugh.. verizons dsl wifi is adding more salt than pepper to me hair here jsharkey ;].. last line from you: <jsharkey> tech9iner: its just the milliseoconds since the epoch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time |
| 16:57.03 | andyross | Can you? I assumed it was a DSP thing and not an actual moving lens. But regardless, "autofocus" is part of the API that lives in the hardware layer below the open source release. And it's ... reallly ... amazingly ... slow ... |
| 16:57.10 | jsharkey | offby1: similar to most digcams, the picture button has a half-down mode that triggers a focus |
| 16:57.11 | tech9iner | jsharkey; miss any thing please? |
| 16:57.26 | jsharkey | tech9iner: nope that was the last i said :) |
| 16:57.32 | tech9iner | coolness tx |
| 16:57.45 | andyross | And you can't turn it off. It autofocuses when you press the (first level of) the shutter button, and your picture snaps sometimes 4-5 seconds later. |
| 16:57.45 | offby1 | jsharkey: huh, that means it's mechanically more complex than I'd expected. It really has a little motor to move the lens in and out? |
| 16:57.59 | offby1 | yep, 4-5 seconds sounds about right. |
| 16:58.03 | offby1 | Useless. |
| 16:58.28 | tech9iner | cant wait for cable modem replacement of dsl verizon setup few wks.. verizon cellular favorite.. home dsl?.. sucketh |
| 16:58.42 | jsharkey | tech9iner: no fios? :P |
| 16:58.48 | offby1 | sometimes I use the camera to view existing pictures ... then I cannot figure out how to get it out of the "view-pictures" mode and back into the "take a picture" mode. |
| 16:58.53 | andyross | The saddest thing is that camera phones have been a 100% solved problem for what, 6 years now? It's not like Qualcomm or HTC is blazing any new ground here... |
| 16:59.22 | tech9iner | offby1; simply press the camera button briefly & it returns to pic ready state mate |
| 16:59.26 | jsharkey | andyross: there have only been a handful that do the autofocusing tho |
| 16:59.41 | tech9iner | offby1; pretty standard dig cam behavior actually |
| 17:00.06 | offby1 | tech9iner: thought I'd already tried that, but let's try again. |
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| 17:00.32 | tech9iner | ie kodaks configured to show last pic preview for few sex.. press camera's button briefly & it pops back to shoot mode |
| 17:01.17 | jsharkey | but yea tech9iner if your writing an Android native app, i would use a ContentProvider to get picture info instead of trying to scrape the raw files on the sdcard |
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| 17:01.27 | tech9iner | offby1; also note.. if one is in no hurry.. way to activate camera sans its desktop icons?.. press & hold camera button down 3-5 sex.. wuallah.. shoot mode ready ;] |
| 17:01.40 | offby1 | tech9iner: pressing the camera button didn't help, but pressing the "back arrow" button did. |
| 17:01.42 | jsharkey | if a desktop app that looks at the sdcard, then i can understand |
| 17:03.01 | tech9iner | laughs @ jsharkey 's kindly offered info inferring this gui dependent would ever ever write a script.. lmao.. much less develop software.. ;]].. right brained to extreme creative type here mates.. no logical programmer aptitude atoll |
| 17:03.21 | tech9iner | offby1; not sure wtf your experience so diff than mine mate.. |
| 17:03.23 | andyross | Programming isn't creative? |
| 17:04.12 | tech9iner | andyross; from a logical mindset of course.. but does not fit the generic term via arts.. |
| 17:04.19 | jbq | sometimes saying "that's a very creative solution" isn't a compliment, especially during an interview ;-) |
| 17:04.29 | andyross | Heh, touche |
| 17:05.17 | tech9iner | programmers have better brain type balance including logical left & creative right.. not in this video brain here |
| 17:05.43 | tech9iner | lol j b q |
| 17:06.07 | tech9iner | offby1; again i take sometimes hundreds of pix in a single day w my g1 here.. |
| 17:06.33 | offby1 | gosh |
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| 17:07.23 | andyross | Given the level of reliance, have you considered using, heh, a camera to take those pictures? :) |
| 17:07.27 | tech9iner | has already planned on getting a much brighter led flashlight for his dawn/dusk/nightime pix with g1 though.. necessary for g1's autofocus is confirmed here |
| 17:07.53 | tech9iner | andyross; no not one single time.. ?? roflmfao.. |
| 17:08.48 | tech9iner | andyross; the idea is to NOT have to lug camera & laptop & phone/pda round to 3-15 client locations daily mate.. one of the list of reasons i chose the 3megapixal camera g1 ;] |
| 17:09.08 | tech9iner | something t9 has been doing for 2 yrs now already.. |
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| 17:10.20 | tech9iner | climbing up the steps on regrigerated truck boxes & trailers is much simpler w the g1 in its hip holster vs camera strap tween teeth ;] |
| 17:11.02 | mikey| | wow, thats annoying, the contacts content provider didnt work on the emulator but it worked fine on my real phone |
| 17:11.08 | mikey| | spent ages wander wtf the problem is |
| 17:11.13 | mikey| | s/wander/wandering |
| 17:11.28 | offby1 | it's a "pseudo-emulator", then, I guess |
| 17:13.08 | unix_lappy | Disconnect: you have an iPhone as well no? |
| 17:13.31 | Disconnect | no. used to, got a 1st gen when it came out. hacked it, unlocked it, sold it to a guy in canadia |
| 17:13.49 | unix_lappy | wish you had bought a 3G? |
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| 17:13.58 | Disconnect | not at all |
| 17:14.36 | Disconnect | can't stand it. its a crappy phone, a mediocre web browser and a crappy music player (I need hw buttons for musc, and for it not to cause my speakers to hum all the time) |
| 17:14.46 | Disconnect | decent video player |
| 17:16.55 | Chainfire | slaps DarkriftX around a bit with a large trout |
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| 17:16.59 | Chainfire | you around? |
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| 17:18.18 | mikey| | o.o the normalized phone number is just written backward from the inputted number |
| 17:18.29 | jasta | Disconnect: your speakers "hum"? are you sure that your setup is properly shielded? |
| 17:20.22 | Disconnect | jasta: i'm sure i don't care particularly. http://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+speaker+noise .. also, you may recall that it was "compatible" with previous accessories. except for not only causing but transmitting that hum/crackle through any analog audio connector (doh) including docking ones. |
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| 17:21.34 | tmzt | hello, anyone with X1, HD or similar MSM6x00A based device? We are working on a way to gather the information needed to make android work. Please join #htc-linux if you want to test this. |
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| 17:21.43 | Chainfire | finally got my G1... rooted and preventing updates, TY :) |
| 17:22.10 | Chainfire | tmzt> dont you mean MSM7xxxx? |
| 17:22.23 | tmzt | Chainfire: only A versions |
| 17:22.24 | RyeBrye | tmzt - do you know much about HTC phones? Any idea which ones use an Elan touchscreen? |
| 17:22.31 | tmzt | Chainfire: it needs usb host |
| 17:22.32 | Chainfire | (HD is 7201A, not 6201A, IIRC) |
| 17:22.44 | florz | Are there any actions one should avoid in order to not accidentally update the firmware on an RC29 G1? Or is the firmware update always explicitly dependent on the user's acknowlegdement/request? |
| 17:22.49 | tmzt | Chainfire: oh, yes 7xxxA |
| 17:22.58 | Chainfire | tmzt> ill have an HD next week |
| 17:23.02 | tmzt | RyeBrye: sorry, no idea on that |
| 17:23.09 | Chainfire | im already bored with the G1, now its unpacked :P |
| 17:23.23 | florz | or just in general: how does the update work? |
| 17:23.27 | Disconnect | florz: in theory it asks. in practice it might not ask forever (so far it seems to) and tons of users have accidentally upgraded |
| 17:23.36 | jasta | Disconnect: hmm, i dont have an iphone personally, but i have found lots of my existing phones have produced such a noise through low quality car steroes and home steroes |
| 17:23.40 | Chainfire | florz get root, rename otacerts.zip |
| 17:23.57 | jasta | because, obviously, phones produce lots of RF interference. |
| 17:24.05 | Disconnect | jasta: iphone g1 was significantly worse than most others, for whatever reason. |
| 17:24.07 | RyeBrye | I thought someone said in there yesterday that the only planned use of a forced "upgrade" was a carrier to brick the phone remotely in case it was reported stolen |
| 17:24.09 | jasta | and so an improperly shielded speaker setup would definitely pick tht up |
| 17:24.16 | Chainfire | i saw this superuser app on market... only works on pre-RC30, I assume ? |
| 17:24.28 | florz | Disconnect: "accidentally" as in "didn't read what the phone said" or as in "it was installed without asking the user"? =:-) |
| 17:24.43 | RyeBrye | "jbq: FWIW, the forced-update mode is designed for remote bricking. If you call the carrier telling them that your phone was stolen, that's a mechanism to inactivate the phone remotely." |
| 17:24.44 | jasta | Disconnect: well, it might be a deficient design if they put the RF unit too close to their own improperly shielded aux output. |
| 17:25.00 | Disconnect | accidentally as in "I unlocked it and it saw a spurious input" or "I was typing and it popped up and accepted my input" |
| 17:25.22 | florz | Chainfire: that's the ca certs that are used for verifying update signatures, I suppose? |
| 17:25.38 | RyeBrye | Chainfire - yes, only pre-RC30 or RC30's that are modified |
| 17:25.52 | RyeBrye | Chainfire - actually... to be correct - only modified versions of any phone |
| 17:25.57 | sparkle | woo |
| 17:25.59 | sparkle | nfs works |
| 17:26.00 | sparkle | laughs |
| 17:26.08 | Chainfire | ah ok |
| 17:26.29 | Chainfire | how do i found out which RC im running anyways (just unboxed and rooted successfully, so pre RC-30...) |
| 17:26.55 | jasta | Chainfire: its in the settings app, hunt around |
| 17:26.55 | jbq | settings, about phone, device info, all the way at the bottom. |
| 17:28.01 | Chainfire | thx |
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| 17:30.19 | Chainfire | hmm RC19 |
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| 17:34.45 | mikey| | what else would you expect to find in a back up for android, contacts, bookmarks, ?? |
| 17:34.53 | mikey| | backup software * |
| 17:35.12 | zhobbs | contacts are already backed up |
| 17:35.12 | andyross | rsync of the /data partition? |
| 17:35.19 | mikey| | zhobbs: where? |
| 17:35.23 | mikey| | andyross: lol |
| 17:35.24 | xsdg | mikey|: they're synced |
| 17:35.29 | xsdg | mikey|: like email |
| 17:35.32 | mikey| | ah |
| 17:35.38 | mikey| | alright, but what else? |
| 17:35.49 | mikey| | i havent got anything too important on this phone atm |
| 17:35.55 | jt436 | zhobbs: hey, sorry I missed your messages yesterday |
| 17:36.06 | Disconnect | sms's |
| 17:36.15 | xsdg | Disconnect: bah; beat me to the punch :o) |
| 17:36.33 | Disconnect | prefs |
| 17:36.34 | zhobbs | jt436: that's cool :) |
| 17:37.13 | zhobbs | jt436: does that guitar hero app use open gl? |
| 17:37.23 | jt436 | zhobbs: no |
| 17:37.50 | mikey| | hmm, is it me or is there no way to access sms with a provider? http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/provider/package-summary.html |
| 17:38.16 | xsdg | mikey|: by design, undoubtedly |
| 17:38.29 | mikey| | there is a read/write sms permission |
| 17:38.33 | mikey| | shrugs |
| 17:38.47 | xsdg | aah, dunno then |
| 17:40.11 | Chainfire | is there a website to view the market on my pc? |
| 17:40.42 | anno^da_ | Which IM app (ICQ and XMPP) is recommended ? (NO Gtalk) |
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| 17:41.49 | xsdg | anno^da_: what do you mean "recommended"? |
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| 17:44.27 | jasta | anno^da_: they all charge you SMS rates :\ |
| 17:45.38 | xsdg | jasta: eh? |
| 17:46.15 | jasta | xsdg: every protocol in the IM app except GTalk is eithered implemented using SMS, or bills as it. |
| 17:46.47 | jasta | so without an unlimited text messaging plan, you may be surprised by your next bill :) |
| 17:46.51 | xsdg | jasta: the IM app includes neither ICQ nor XMPP |
| 17:47.01 | jasta | it includes AIM, Yahoo, and MSN chat. |
| 17:47.05 | jasta | all of which bill as SMS |
| 17:47.13 | xsdg | jasta: reread the question, especially the bit in parens |
| 17:48.04 | jasta | ahh well, nevermind then |
| 17:48.58 | jasta | though honestly i doubt i trust any third party to implement a persistent IM client without using SMS |
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| 17:49.50 | anno^da_ | xsdg: well an application that is recommended by the users. |
| 17:50.03 | anno^da_ | Since the built in apps are not really what I would like. |
| 17:50.18 | anno^da_ | A multi messenger would be nice but except Meemo I havent found one. |
| 17:51.03 | xsdg | jasta: well, yeah |
| 17:51.52 | anno^da_ | Is it really that difficult to built one? On the desktop I can choose from a variety of multi messengers. |
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| 17:53.18 | mikey| | what would be the best way to store all the system prefs as a backup? |
| 17:53.35 | mikey| | can we create our own db on the sdcard? |
| 17:54.11 | xsdg | mikey|: keep in mind that the sd card has no security, whatsoever |
| 17:54.27 | xsdg | mikey|: an app might accidentally or maliciously flip some bits or modify the DB some other way |
| 17:54.48 | anno^da_ | jasta: what are you working on at the moment? |
| 17:54.51 | xsdg | (of course, you can use encryption) |
| 17:54.55 | mikey| | Im sure I could work around that xsdg |
| 17:55.17 | mikey| | but does android let us do make our own dbs on the sdcard? |
| 17:56.41 | jasta | anno^da_: Five still. |
| 17:56.44 | xsdg | I believe so, though I don't really see what you can do if you aren't doing enryption before the bits hit the disk. I guess you could checksum in memory, then checksum again when you're reading the bits back or something |
| 17:57.21 | anno^da_ | jasta: Ah. Making good progress? :-) |
| 17:58.04 | mikey| | some interesting options listed here that i havent found a way to access |
| 17:58.38 | mikey| | logging_id, use_google_mail and android_id |
| 18:00.41 | mikey| | :/ cant find anything for making a db on the sd card |
| 18:01.17 | jasta | anno^da_: yes, definitely. quickly approaching a stable release |
| 18:02.02 | anno^da_ | a great to hear that. :-) Let us know when it is done. |
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| 18:18.28 | jasta | hey dougie |
| 18:18.44 | Dougie187 | Hey jasta |
| 18:18.46 | Dougie187 | hows it going? |
| 18:19.08 | jasta | tired, as usual :) |
| 18:19.17 | DubLo7 | The nearest T-Mobile is 300 miles away from me. Is there any where to buy an unlocked G1? |
| 18:19.22 | Dougie187 | thats too bad |
| 18:19.27 | Dougie187 | too much l4d? |
| 18:20.50 | jasta | nah, i just never feel rested |
| 18:20.59 | Dougie187 | you should get a new mattress |
| 18:20.59 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:21.50 | jasta | i just hate my job is all :) |
| 18:22.00 | Dougie187 | you looking for a new one yet? |
| 18:22.06 | Dougie187 | or are you waiting until five is out? |
| 18:22.20 | jasta | yeah i have a phone interview with t-mobile in a couple of hours |
| 18:23.14 | Dougie187 | thats pretty sweet |
| 18:23.17 | Dougie187 | what department? |
| 18:23.26 | Dougie187 | hopefully not sales. |
| 18:23.27 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:23.31 | jasta | not sure, those are the details im getting today. |
| 18:23.42 | vol | DubLo7: ebay |
| 18:23.44 | jasta | id be doing android client app dev |
| 18:24.06 | vol | oh cool |
| 18:24.34 | Dougie187 | that would be pretty sweet |
| 18:26.14 | jasta | yeah wouldnt be a bad gig i dont think. local too |
| 18:26.22 | jasta | though not as convenient as, say, Google Fremont ;) |
| 18:27.00 | vol | have you applied for a job at elgoog? |
| 18:27.11 | jasta | no, im not really interested in that at the moment |
| 18:27.17 | vol | I'd figure with all the time you've spent in this channel yelling and complaining about what fuckups they are, they'd give you a job just to shut you up : ) |
| 18:27.38 | Dougie187 | hah |
| 18:27.55 | jasta | i'm searching for the sort of rare tech job where i'm not asked to work 14 hour days and weekends. i'm doubting that can be found at google :) |
| 18:28.39 | DarkriftX | Chainfire: you need to install the modified rc30 :S |
| 18:28.54 | DarkriftX | that root bug is bad. flash the modified recovery then flash the modified rc30.v1.2 |
| 18:29.12 | Chainfire | yah will do |
| 18:29.18 | Chainfire | im not actually gonna use the device though |
| 18:29.22 | Chainfire | its just for testing purposes. |
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| 18:29.24 | Chainfire | :) |
| 18:29.49 | DarkriftX | if you plan on typing on it, id want to be on rc30 |
| 18:30.00 | DarkriftX | anything you type goes to a root terminal |
| 18:30.23 | jasta | DarkriftX: just type enter, cat, enter |
| 18:30.35 | jasta | when you first boot |
| 18:30.41 | DarkriftX | wouldnt that cause other issues? |
| 18:30.49 | Decavolt | mine never did that, even before rc30 |
| 18:30.50 | DarkriftX | speed/battery? |
| 18:30.55 | sparkle | DarkriftX: no. |
| 18:31.00 | jasta | DarkriftX: uhh, why would it? |
| 18:31.03 | sparkle | it's not a bad idea to update |
| 18:31.08 | DarkriftX | couldnt that just read everything? |
| 18:31.09 | sparkle | but that'd work |
| 18:31.12 | DarkriftX | never typed cat by itself |
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| 18:31.57 | Chainfire | what does it do ? |
| 18:32.01 | vol | By the by, does anyone have a rooted g1 they feel like selling? |
| 18:32.11 | sparkle | maybe vol |
| 18:32.21 | Chainfire | what price you offering? :) |
| 18:32.24 | sparkle | either that or i need to return it |
| 18:32.30 | sparkle | basically brand new out of the box |
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| 18:32.56 | vol | sparkle: srsly? And not broken or anything? |
| 18:33.31 | vol | Chainfire: you want "cat > /dev/null" more likely |
| 18:33.33 | sparkle | well the keys are a tiny bit lower on the left side of the kb than on my other handset |
| 18:33.37 | vol | it will redirect your input to dev null |
| 18:33.43 | DarkriftX | vol cannot do > or/'s |
| 18:33.48 | vol | orly? |
| 18:33.51 | vol | I thought it caught EVERYTHING |
| 18:33.55 | DarkriftX | something blocks them from what i heard |
| 18:34.04 | sparkle | no modifiers |
| 18:34.06 | DarkriftX | rm -R / wont work |
| 18:34.10 | vol | boo |
| 18:34.13 | DarkriftX | i dont remember why though |
| 18:34.16 | JesusFreke | yeah, basically the alt key doesn't work |
| 18:34.19 | vol | sparkle: have you already rooted it? |
| 18:34.26 | sparkle | yeah |
| 18:34.26 | JesusFreke | so anything you have to press alt to type... can't be typed |
| 18:34.50 | sparkle | hums "alternate reality" |
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| 18:35.51 | anno^da_ | JesusFreke: Can I update from the RC30 modified to RC8 modified without problems? (I need to get rid of the MyFavs app which sends SMS messages all the time) |
| 18:36.28 | sparkle | anno^da_: so long as you have the modified recovery image flashed |
| 18:36.33 | sparkle | you should be able to go back and forth |
| 18:36.40 | Impossible | sparkle, i agree |
| 18:37.02 | anno^da_ | I have the modded recovery image flashed. |
| 18:37.12 | anno^da_ | (the testkeys thing :) ) |
| 18:37.15 | Damm | anno^da_, btw, disabling the myfavs app does not stop the text messages |
| 18:37.28 | Damm | your device will still receive them when it boots |
| 18:37.48 | anno^da_ | So RC8 wont help me ? |
| 18:37.51 | DarkriftX | do you still get charged for them if you dont open them? |
| 18:37.55 | Damm | take an non t-mobile handset, put your sim in it... and you'll get the text messages |
| 18:38.02 | Damm | DarkriftX, you don't get charged for them at all |
| 18:38.05 | xsdg | anno^da_: I don't believe you're charged for MyFaves; I might be wrong, though |
| 18:38.14 | DarkriftX | oh, someone said they were getting charge like crazy for them |
| 18:38.21 | DarkriftX | and thats why tehy unrooted their phone :( |
| 18:38.21 | Damm | "system" text messages are never charged |
| 18:38.35 | anno^da_ | Well I dont get charged but I get 100 SMS per day by my carrier because of MyFavs sending sms that can not bet sent |
| 18:38.36 | Chainfire | whats up with that... is my device sending text messages without me knowing ? |
| 18:38.38 | Damm | if they're getting charged for them, you call T-Mobile and make them fix it. |
| 18:38.43 | DarkriftX | someone needs to say that in the xda-devs rc8 thread |
| 18:38.55 | DarkriftX | no Chainfire |
| 18:38.58 | Damm | anno^da_, is your device sending out textmessages? |
| 18:39.22 | Damm | it shouldn't send any out, it should receive a "MyFaves" OTA... and then respond to it |
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| 18:39.26 | Damm | it should never initiate the connection |
| 18:39.33 | anno^da_ | Damm: Well it seems so. I'm getting SMS from my carrier (auto generated) that some SMS could not be sent. |
| 18:39.34 | Damm | unless they re-wrote the myfaves behavior |
| 18:39.45 | Damm | anno^da_, adb uninstall Myfaves? |
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| 18:40.00 | kennyyu | it's taken already half of the day but my android building process is still at work... is it normal? |
| 18:40.05 | DarkriftX | doesnt that cause issues with your contacts? |
| 18:40.27 | anno^da_ | Well thats what I fear I dont want to have any interference with other apps. |
| 18:40.44 | anno^da_ | (got 5 SMS again right now :P) |
| 18:41.44 | anno^da_ | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444114 |
| 18:41.45 | RyeBrye | Damm - Myfaves ues SMS to communicate with T-mobile |
| 18:41.49 | anno^da_ | this is the behaviour |
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| 18:42.26 | kennyyu | may i know how long does it take usually to build android completely? |
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| 18:42.44 | DarkriftX | kennyyu: took me about an hour |
| 18:42.52 | Disconnect | kennyyu: on my old dec alpha 16/32, about 10 months so foar. |
| 18:42.53 | Disconnect | far |
| 18:43.01 | blau | http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=914 grrr |
| 18:43.09 | kennyyu | then it's very strange in my case.......... |
| 18:43.18 | sparkle | it took 2 hours to build afs, but i did it on the handset :) |
| 18:43.33 | DarkriftX | lol |
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| 18:43.48 | GF|yoshi | hey all |
| 18:43.50 | RyeBrye | sparkle - using nfs, or a really big SD card? |
| 18:44.31 | sparkle | RyeBrye: 8gb sd card |
| 18:44.32 | kennyyu | i'm actually doing it on my Ubuntu (running on Virtual PC)... but already 6-7 hours. not kidding... |
| 18:44.43 | sparkle | midway through i thought about doing it over nfs |
| 18:44.44 | sparkle | but |
| 18:44.45 | sparkle | meh |
| 18:45.04 | sparkle | if anyone needs kernel modules for nfs client & server btw, lemme know |
| 18:45.09 | sparkle | they build straight out of the tree |
| 18:45.15 | GF|yoshi | think anyone can help me with zxing |
| 18:45.32 | GF|yoshi | or atleast how to make it so core.jar is added into my apk |
| 18:47.46 | blau | if its included in the build path i think it's automatically loaded into your apk |
| 18:48.00 | blau | i could be wrong |
| 18:48.29 | GF|yoshi | yea eclipse has a nice learning curve |
| 18:48.41 | Damm | RyeBrye, right, however when i was in the internals of T-Mobile... it was initiated from T-Mobile, not the handheld. |
| 18:49.13 | Damm | anno^da_, uninstalling MyFaves should be the easy answer. |
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| 18:49.30 | Damm | anno^da_, no need to do anything amazing, however if you wanna toss on RC30+jf 1.2 go for it |
| 18:49.34 | DarkriftX | might want to makea backup of the apk just incase |
| 18:49.36 | Damm | and then take out the myfaves |
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| 18:49.57 | Damm | DarkriftX, I imagine there's a reference to the apk somewhere in the startup files also |
| 18:50.25 | GF|yoshi | Has anyone here messed with zxing |
| 18:50.35 | GF|yoshi | that can help me a bit to understand what i need to do |
| 18:51.55 | kennyyu | sorry may i ask something stupid: i've finally successfully built it but i don't know how to start it? |
| 18:51.57 | xsdg | Damm, DarkriftX: careful; ISTR that MyFaves is somehow tied to how contacts are stored |
| 18:52.02 | xsdg | anno^da_: ^^^ also |
| 18:52.09 | DarkriftX | thats what i heard also |
| 18:52.49 | RyeBrye | the UK version doesn't have MyFaves, does it? |
| 18:53.01 | Damm | RyeBrye, something similar? |
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| 18:53.23 | Damm | yes |
| 18:53.27 | Damm | they do have MyFaves in the UK |
| 18:53.31 | DJTachyon | is there a border-type attribute to linear layout? |
| 18:53.31 | Damm | http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/price-plans/pay-monthly/myfaves/plans/ |
| 18:53.45 | Damm | so going to RC8 won't solve anno^da_'s issue... |
| 18:53.57 | DJTachyon | GF|Yoshi .. wanna see something cool? |
| 18:54.36 | DarkriftX | needs to head off to work |
| 18:54.37 | DarkriftX | later all |
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| 18:54.39 | DJTachyon | http://www.djtachyon.com/android/TestQRContact.png .. scan that with the "Barcode Scanner" (zxing) app |
| 18:55.15 | GF|yoshi | DJ i so would if i could get my app to run |
| 18:55.15 | blau | anyone been keeping up with my apps? |
| 18:55.21 | GF|yoshi | it will run when barcode scanner is installed |
| 18:55.24 | GF|yoshi | but not without it |
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| 18:55.29 | DJTachyon | o_O |
| 18:55.30 | tech9iner | so androidites; any apps to control or offer choices of the file naming scheme g1's camera uses please? |
| 18:55.52 | DJTachyon | doubt it |
| 18:56.44 | GF|yoshi | nice DJ |
| 18:56.49 | Damm | xsdg, myfaves isn't in the opensource version correct? |
| 18:56.57 | xsdg | Damm: correct |
| 18:57.02 | Damm | xsdg, so why not just load the opensource contacts.apk and remove myfaves.apk |
| 18:57.10 | GF|yoshi | nice |
| 18:57.11 | Damm | and then you should be myfaveless |
| 18:57.15 | tech9iner | unix timestamp isnt the pref here due my exhaustive use of the camera in my business |
| 18:58.23 | GF|yoshi | So does anyone know why my app will work when the barcode scanner app is installed |
| 18:58.34 | xsdg | Damm: Does the open-source stuff include contacts, gmail, and all that stuff? |
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| 18:59.37 | Disconnect | nope |
| 18:59.40 | Disconnect | well yes and no |
| 18:59.59 | Disconnect | if you looked at the source tree (conveniently available via gitweb) you'll see whats in there and what isn't |
| 19:00.12 | xsdg | tech9iner: I'm pretty sure there isn't currently |
| 19:00.43 | xsdg | anyway, I'm off. see ya |
| 19:00.52 | DJTachyon | so do you need to use tables to get borders and can put borders around layouts? |
| 19:01.51 | DJTachyon | anybody? |
| 19:03.17 | DJTachyon | oh cell borders are not visible in tablelayout either |
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| 19:06.06 | blau | working on a utility to dump your text messages to sd card |
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| 19:13.01 | d0nets | will google docs be free forever? |
| 19:13.21 | d0nets | he said it wont be, but i think he lies |
| 19:13.25 | kennyyu | d0nets: i think so |
| 19:16.06 | Damm | xsdg, no idea... doing a repo sync to see |
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| 19:18.25 | mikey| | well, the backup app is running, now i need a way to encrypt the data |
| 19:18.41 | mikey| | anyone recommend any method for password encrypting the file? |
| 19:19.41 | vol | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encryption |
| 19:19.44 | vol | pick one : P |
| 19:19.45 | spikebike | heh |
| 19:20.22 | vol | better yet find an encryption cypher that's already implemented in java |
| 19:21.18 | spikebike | even better one already on the g1 |
| 19:21.31 | spikebike | poke around in the g1's ssl libraries |
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| 19:25.00 | jt436 | mikey|: write your own, if you use something already in existence and well know its easier for people to decode it. unless you really don't care |
| 19:25.43 | jbailey | mikey|: ROT26 is *always* the answer. |
| 19:25.57 | mikey| | is that ecryptable and decryptable with a password? |
| 19:26.18 | fadden | jt436: somewhere, an NSA agent got a big smile |
| 19:26.48 | jbailey | mikey|: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROT13 =) |
| 19:26.58 | mikey| | "The algorithm provides no real cryptographic security and should never be used for such. " |
| 19:26.59 | mikey| | lol |
| 19:27.03 | vol | s/smile/hardon/ |
| 19:27.16 | blount | you're better off randomizing the letter mapping |
| 19:27.17 | fadden | vol: that was my original thought, but I decided to keep it G-rated. :-) |
| 19:27.20 | blount | that's what the nsa uses |
| 19:27.25 | jt436 | I had to go through the process recently due to copyright issues for music |
| 19:27.27 | vol | jt436: you don't really understand encryption, do you? |
| 19:27.43 | vol | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.05 | vol | go read yourself some schneier :P |
| 19:28.46 | jt436 | vol: its not some random code, you are more than welcome to have a crack one its out ;) |
| 19:28.47 | jbq | vol: though of course any security based on a private key is fundamentally based on obscurity, technically... |
| 19:29.12 | fadden | Yes, but at least the degree of obscurity is quantifiable. :-) |
| 19:29.18 | jbq | Yes |
| 19:29.40 | jbailey | jbq: Err, no. Usually security through obscurity refers to the algorithm rather than the keys. =) |
| 19:29.43 | tech9iner | hmmm. just had something surprise me in my gmail via g1. had a new account activation link; 'Please visit the link below to confirm your registration. To do so, Click here. or copy and paste the link below to your web browser' in email i clicked & loaded into g1 browser. it appeared to propogate the hash in the link but clicking the forum's 'activate' button in browser failed over and over. |
| 19:30.01 | jbq | jbailey: I know :) |
| 19:30.17 | tech9iner | so opened just now in laptop and wtf? worked as expected. seems some bits n bytes need to be improved in g1 default web browser |
| 19:30.25 | jbq | jbailey: though arguably in that case the algorithm is at least part of the key. |
| 19:30.26 | vol | yeah, the browser has some minor issues |
| 19:30.30 | jbq | anyway, semantics, semantics... |
| 19:30.32 | vol | <3 opera beta |
| 19:30.36 | vol | speaking of which |
| 19:30.38 | jbailey | jbq: Sure. =) |
| 19:30.48 | vol | fadden: can you tell whoever made the gmail app that it'd be SWELL if I could attach more than pictures? |
| 19:31.01 | jbailey | vol: Magazines have issues. =) Software has bugs. People have "problems" |
| 19:31.07 | Damm | vol, i'm sure that will get addressed in time. |
| 19:31.15 | vol | and/or if it already exists, to maike it easier to figure out how to do so |
| 19:31.25 | tech9iner | vol; has opera even had vision enough to catch up with ffx and finally developed FAYT yet ? |
| 19:31.35 | vol | FAYT? |
| 19:31.37 | fadden | vol: I think it's safe to say they're aware of that particular request. |
| 19:31.44 | tech9iner | Find As You Type |
| 19:31.46 | vol | fart at your teeth? |
| 19:31.53 | tech9iner | cute |
| 19:31.56 | vol | oh |
| 19:32.02 | vol | who cares about find as you type :\ |
| 19:32.15 | meyou | is there any normal reason my sd card would get dismounted aside from manually dismounting it from the settings? |
| 19:32.15 | Disconnect | tech9iner: fyi unclickable links are generally caused by the 'format for this screen' in the settings |
| 19:32.19 | Disconnect | disbale that and it'll work |
| 19:32.22 | vol | besides, saying opera doesn't have vision is pretty funny, since they innovated things like "tabs" and "using mouse gestures" |
| 19:32.23 | tech9iner | just a few million ppl round the globe vol lmao |
| 19:32.29 | Disconnect | mint.com is terrible that way |
| 19:33.05 | vol | meyou: popping it out? |
| 19:33.25 | tech9iner | vol; wasnt intended as you assumed as a put down on opera.. mea culpa it reads that way mate.. was more about my penchant for FAYT feature which saves one huge clicks & time when browsing / researching via websites |
| 19:33.32 | eldenz | can anybody tell me what the 'Window animation' is supposed to do in DroidSans Tweak Lite? (or the xda forum release) |
| 19:34.04 | vol | I've honestly never found find as you type to be that useful. Kind of interesting, and produces bizarre partial results which can be hilarious, but eh. |
| 19:34.10 | vol | also, bandwidth intensive. |
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| 19:34.26 | tech9iner | Disconnect; thanks muchly for the fyi.. ill look into that. |
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| 19:35.07 | eldenz | hm, i'm blind. probably the fadein :p |
| 19:35.38 | abatrour | anyone here got android running on the neo freerunner? |
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| 19:37.10 | tech9iner | vol; ? bandwidth intensive? useful? heh.. fayt = website researching @ speed of light sans scrolling and looking or loading lotsa little inconsistent & often poorly mapped letter buttons for site links. similar to clicking / mousing being upto 6x slower pc input than pure keyboard operations.. time killer & highly inefficient way of finding links or even specific words on sites. |
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| 19:37.52 | tech9iner | steps off his soapbox.. ;] |
| 19:38.06 | tech9iner | too two much said already t9 |
| 19:38.39 | vol | really have no idea how you're using it as a research aid. Are you typing a few letters and hoping to see something you like come out? |
| 19:39.08 | vol | In AudioManager, which stream should I use for the volume of Media I play in my app? STREAM_MUSIC? |
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| 19:42.08 | zhobbs | vol: yeah |
| 19:43.36 | tech9iner | vol; eh.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAYT http://www.mozilla.org/access/type-ahead/ advantages are well documented. if you were a web researcher you would know ;]] |
| 19:43.44 | vol | I don't even know what "web researcher" means. |
| 19:43.58 | tech9iner | lmao.. enough said then |
| 19:44.00 | tech9iner | ciao 4 now vol and thanks for input.. |
| 19:44.15 | vol | ok gl hf being on the bleeding edge of your parents basement? |
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| 19:45.25 | mikey| | I have android:debuggable set in my manifest, but the app just sits there waiting for the debugger :/ |
| 19:45.37 | grey- | I missed the first part of the conversation... but android does have find as you type for when you're using the google search bar at least... |
| 19:45.47 | vol | grey-: opera |
| 19:45.52 | grey- | opera? |
| 19:45.58 | grey- | doesn't have it? |
| 19:46.04 | mikey| | any ideas why? |
| 19:46.04 | vol | opera's put out a beta version of their browser |
| 19:46.07 | vol | and I do <3 me some opera |
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| 19:46.17 | grey- | vol: yeah, I haven't downloaded it yet. |
| 19:46.25 | vol | mikey|: kill eclipse, restart adb, restart eclipse |
| 19:46.31 | vol | sometimes eclipse goes brain dead on me like that |
| 19:46.39 | vol | s/eclipse/adb |
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| 19:47.38 | vol | and then if you restart adb while eclipse is still up, sometimes eclipse gets confused and needs arestart |
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| 19:52.50 | marix | howdy yall |
| 19:54.44 | vol | hi |
| 19:55.36 | marix | anything new in the android world? |
| 19:57.46 | vol | everything is new |
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| 19:58.20 | Delvien | anyone notice the screen sags a little when its slid out on the g1? |
| 19:59.36 | luok | Delvien: mine appears slightly crooked when looking at the row of number buttons |
| 20:00.02 | Delvien | luok the build quality seems poor |
| 20:01.22 | luok | its certainly the best htc i've used |
| 20:01.24 | luok | but thats not saying a lot |
| 20:01.27 | Delvien | ima take off the casing on the lcd and tighten things up |
| 20:01.51 | luok | i hate how it creaks whenever i try to hit menu button and inveitably end up pushing on screen |
| 20:02.33 | Delvien | me too thought about oiling it a little |
| 20:03.06 | marix | Im not sure how to resolve the issues though, from an engineering perspective it appears taht the form factor might just be prone to such things |
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| 20:04.35 | Delvien | marix long bar with a spring mech all the way across |
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| 20:04.53 | Delvien | maris or telekenesis |
| 20:05.10 | mpardo | does anyone know how to parse frequency of a frame in a 3gp audio file? |
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| 20:05.52 | mpardo | i found gain in ringroid src, but i don't know the relation or 3gp specs |
| 20:06.05 | marix | i thought 3gp was only a continer |
| 20:06.09 | marix | container even |
| 20:06.24 | mpardo | for amr? |
| 20:07.26 | marix | i know w/ 3gp video, the audio can be encoded in several formats |
| 20:08.12 | marix | but perhaps audio is limited to amr |
| 20:08.30 | mpardo | it is |
| 20:08.34 | mpardo | for android i think |
| 20:08.54 | mpardo | so i guess what i meant to say is i found out how to parse gain out of amr via Ringdroid source |
| 20:09.05 | marix | amr is kinda a poor codec for music |
| 20:09.12 | mpardo | but i want to parse out the frequency bits |
| 20:09.18 | mpardo | it's not for music |
| 20:09.33 | marix | hmm |
| 20:10.20 | marix | Generates frame length of 95, 103, 118, 134, 148, 159, 204, or 244 bits for bit rates 4.75, 5.15, 5.90, 6.70, 7.40, 7.95, 10.2, or 12.2 kbit/s, respectively |
| 20:10.47 | marix | i dunno if that helps you or not... but if you can determine kbit/s then it'll give you your frame lengths |
| 20:11.02 | mpardo | but can i get frequency from that? |
| 20:11.15 | mpardo | frequency = frame length? |
| 20:11.27 | marix | thats where i'm lost |
| 20:11.39 | mpardo | lol k |
| 20:11.53 | marix | perhaps someone else might know though. |
| 20:12.10 | marix | whats your plan for it? |
| 20:13.10 | mpardo | want to use fft to get audio frequency coming into mic |
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| 20:15.38 | mikey| | gives up |
| 20:15.54 | vol | :< |
| 20:15.54 | mikey| | restoring the settings has no effect on the phone, i tested with brightness |
| 20:16.03 | mikey| | how does aSettings does it? |
| 20:16.16 | vol | do you have permissions? |
| 20:16.30 | mikey| | yeah, no errors at all, just doesnt seem to eotk |
| 20:16.32 | mikey| | work * |
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| 20:22.53 | jasta | mikey|: have you checked adb logcat? |
| 20:24.18 | mikey| | no, but i closed the project and im too annoyed to try again |
| 20:24.50 | jasta | well if you didnt check logcat, then you have no idea if there were errors or not |
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| 20:26.35 | bert0 | finally got his phone mounted to his ubuntu box |
| 20:26.48 | bert0 | but I had to use root |
| 20:27.26 | bert0 | either way I know now that it's my computers problem not the g1's |
| 20:28.23 | Disconnect | google has the power to revoke most of the internet. i think they should do no evil by doing good, and knock xaviar off the web. seriously. he clearly needs to be barred from technology more complex than a toaster. and anything, tech or otherwise, that allows him to bother others. |
| 20:28.45 | grey- | . . . revoke? |
| 20:28.54 | zhobbs | I wish I could change the vibrate settings for incoming SMS's |
| 20:28.57 | fadden | Disconnect: what now? |
| 20:29.10 | zhobbs | it's just a quick little vibe and I always miss sms's |
| 20:29.18 | Disconnect | fadden: http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=zdz4RxYAAADaoPEp-ibExScG6SnvSCGjo4cocwWvDVg2RHsu8f1bCg |
| 20:29.36 | Disconnect | 402 ratings, all 1. |
| 20:29.53 | jasta | zhobbs: i filed a bug about that ;) |
| 20:30.14 | zhobbs | jasta: nice! |
| 20:30.26 | zhobbs | I just bitch in IRC.... |
| 20:31.04 | jasta | i filed a bug about more granular SMS controls for lots of apps, like the ability to make the notif sound and vibrate on a repeating schedule until you clear the notification |
| 20:32.13 | mikey| | zhobbs: someone make an app for that |
| 20:32.19 | mikey| | dgAlert, check the market |
| 20:34.00 | luok | jasta: yeah i want that for all notifications |
| 20:34.12 | luok | i miss super old regular phones that would beep like every 5 minutes if you had voicemail |
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| 20:35.48 | jasta | well im glad it doesnt do that, voicemail sucks :) |
| 20:36.29 | luok | yeah i think whats really need is just a notifier app that lets you set up repeating alerts for whatever types of notification you want |
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| 20:36.42 | mikey| | sighs |
| 20:36.52 | mikey| | this scrollview still doesnt move all the way to the bottom |
| 20:37.55 | bert0 | I while google is at it they should knock whoever made Klaxon alarm clock off the web too. I over slept again today |
| 20:38.32 | luok | hehe i had issues with the built in alarm clock as well |
| 20:38.44 | luok | and alarm bell seems to appear and disappear at random on status bar |
| 20:40.35 | bert0 | It's a really good program if you are into software that doesn't function properly. |
| 20:40.57 | bert0 | </rant> |
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| 20:52.54 | marix_g`1 | is their an x86 compatible build of android out? |
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| 20:55.22 | zhobbs | marix_g`1: it's not too hard to get the VM running, but it's hard to run android phone apps with it |
| 20:56.20 | marix_g`1 | i recently got ahold of a sony ux (looks like a giant g1 really...) and thought it would be rad to get android running on it |
| 20:56.37 | marix_g`1 | but if app support is nonexistant then i don't see much of a point. |
| 21:02.32 | Damm | android is pretty much arm, if you can get it to compile on x86 then great |
| 21:02.56 | Damm | you would of course have to modify the code to support your sony ux |
| 21:04.05 | RyeBrye | the cool thing is - if you do get it ported and running on your sony UX - (assuming you get dalvik to compile and such) - almost all the apps that are out there will run on it just fine (which is the reason they use the vm in the first place) |
| 21:05.34 | Lenolium | So, I'm still sad that there isn't any real irc client for android yet. So I have a question: I spotted some things in some of the network stuff that made it look like you could bind a connection to a cell vs. wifi connection, is that true or was I just hopefully reading? |
| 21:07.13 | jasta | Lenolium: in future versions you will probably be able to. in the current version, no. wifi disables all cellular connections. |
| 21:08.00 | Lenolium | jasta: And doesn't the wifi get disabled when you turn the screen off? |
| 21:08.13 | jasta | after some time, yes. then cell connections are renabled |
| 21:08.15 | jasta | reenabled* |
| 21:08.23 | jasta | so applications must tolerate being disconnected abruptly. |
| 21:08.37 | streeter | I don't understand that design decision |
| 21:08.53 | jasta | the wifi radio is expensive. |
| 21:08.53 | Lenolium | AKA, if you are running IRC, go through a bouncer. |
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| 21:09.06 | Damm | streeter, so you don't leave wifi on and suckup your battery? |
| 21:09.08 | jasta | Lenolium: yes, but you would want that in either case: no connection on a phone is stable |
| 21:09.19 | Damm | ideally if the screen is 'off' you are not using your phone |
| 21:09.22 | mikey| | how is it done in the android files that when the usb is connected, it shows debug messages, otherwise not? |
| 21:09.25 | jasta | EDGE and 3G also disconnect more often than you'd realize |
| 21:09.40 | fadden | Damm: stuff happens in the background (mail push, incoming IM) |
| 21:09.41 | Lenolium | I totally understand shutting off wifi, I just wish I could get a connection dedicated on the cell network. |
| 21:09.46 | jasta | mikey|: what? |
| 21:10.14 | mikey| | jasta: when im connected with my usb cable, i see all sorts of debug messages from android apps |
| 21:10.20 | luok | hm how does connectbot do it |
| 21:10.26 | mikey| | i assume they are only shown when a usb is connected? |
| 21:10.34 | Lenolium | Because the cell network drops every once in a while, but it seems to be a more stable connection that some of my friends ircing on comcast. |
| 21:10.35 | jasta | no, they are recorded always. |
| 21:10.41 | mikey| | heh |
| 21:10.50 | jasta | to a circular buffer in userspace (i think, maybe the kernel) |
| 21:10.51 | Damm | fadden, right, some stuff. |
| 21:10.56 | Lenolium | luok: connectbot doesn't let the screen shutdown. :) |
| 21:10.56 | Damm | fadden, not very reliably also fwiw |
| 21:10.58 | mikey| | i thought one of the good practises of developing for android is to remove log messages? |
| 21:11.06 | Damm | fadden, like SMS sometimes won't come until my screen wakes up |
| 21:11.06 | jasta | Lenolium: that is because it holds a wake lock |
| 21:11.08 | fadden | Log messages are written to /dev/log/*; each log channel has a 64KB buffer |
| 21:11.08 | mikey| | or have them inside a condition |
| 21:11.14 | luok | Lenolium: ah |
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| 21:11.59 | mikey| | a day has never felt so long, woke up at 8:30am today |
| 21:12.01 | fadden | mikey|: flooding the log with messages is bad because it'll reduce your performance and push failures out of the circular buffer |
| 21:12.05 | mikey| | usually wake up at 11ish |
| 21:12.35 | mikey| | fadden, i know, thats why i asked if the android apps only show the messages when a usb is connected (and debugging is on) |
| 21:13.05 | fadden | mikey|: disconnect USB, do some stuff, reconnect USB, then "adb logcat" and see if the new stuff is there. |
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| 21:13.58 | fadden | You can "adb shell getprop adb.connected", but I don't think anything checks that. |
| 21:14.50 | zhobbs | You can create a Log class and only log when debugging or something |
| 21:15.05 | zhobbs | (that's what I do) |
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| 21:15.30 | fadden | You want to make it a compile-time conditional, like "if (DEBUGGING) { Log.i("blah", whatever); }". |
| 21:15.40 | fadden | That way, if you turn debugging off, the log code goes away entirely. |
| 21:16.15 | fadden | (DEBUGGING would be a static final boolean) |
| 21:16.16 | zhobbs | yeah, I just have a Log class that has the v(..), e(...), etc...and just replaced all the imports to point to my Log class |
| 21:16.33 | zhobbs | and a flag like fadden says |
| 21:17.02 | fadden | zhobbs: you want to wrap the Log.x() call. Otherwise, stuff like "Log.i(TAG, "this " + str + " that")" still performs the StringBuilder concatenation. |
| 21:19.44 | zhobbs | I have a method like Log.i(String tag, String msg) { if (DEBUG) android.util.Log.i(tag,msg); } |
| 21:19.49 | marix_g`1 | concatenation, thats a fun word. |
| 21:19.59 | zhobbs | I don't really follow what you mean about the concatenation |
| 21:20.29 | fadden | zhobbs: in Java, if you write a Log call like I have above, javac generates the StringBuilder calls required to create a single String object from the three separate strings. |
| 21:20.57 | fadden | So your replacement Log.i won't actually output the log, but the call site still has to create a single String argument to pass in as the "msg" arg. |
| 21:21.24 | fadden | If you do this in a performance-critical loop, turning off debug messages won't buy you as much as you'd expect. |
| 21:22.07 | zhobbs | ok, now I see |
| 21:22.35 | fadden | It's annoying -- I want a C-style "#ifdef DEBUG" wrapper that just makes it all go away. (We have this in the native stuff for the Log.v equivalent.) |
| 21:23.10 | zhobbs | I don't think I log so much that building those Strings is a performance problem |
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| 21:23.18 | zhobbs | but it's interesting to think about |
| 21:23.42 | fadden | If you do it in a UI loop, you're generating objects, and moving around in your UI will cause a GC. (This is the sort of thing the platform people fret about.) |
| 21:24.09 | fadden | They're temporary objects, so a generational GC would take most of the sting out of it, but we don't have that yet. |
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| 21:25.31 | mpardo | does anyone know anything about amr audio codec parsing? |
| 21:27.32 | bert0 | Could it be possible to install apache on a g1? |
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| 21:28.03 | Disconnect | bert0: with root, anything is possible |
| 21:28.15 | Disconnect | without, um... no. well.. kinda. but mostly no. |
| 21:28.34 | bert0 | well luckily thats no problem |
| 21:29.22 | jasta | Disconnect: anything is possible provided a substantial commitment of time of course :) |
| 21:29.47 | bert0 | time is one thing I have plenty of these days |
| 21:29.56 | mpardo | can MediaRecorder encode mp3? |
| 21:31.11 | marix_g`1 | is their a guitar tuner app out somewhere or did i just imagine that... |
| 21:31.33 | meyou | there's that one that's supposed to help you learn musioc |
| 21:31.38 | meyou | haven't seen a guitar tuner yet |
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| 21:32.02 | mpardo | there's guitar chords |
| 21:32.07 | bert0 | I am adding a guitar tuner app to my wish list too |
| 21:32.10 | marix_g`1 | i think thats it |
| 21:32.16 | mpardo | meyou, i'm making guitar tuner right nwo |
| 21:32.18 | mpardo | now* |
| 21:32.29 | mpardo | that's why i've got bizarre questions lol |
| 21:32.32 | marix_g`1 | or trying to anyway :-/ |
| 21:32.36 | mpardo | exactly |
| 21:32.47 | mreimer | Are threads known to be stable? |
| 21:32.54 | meyou | nice |
| 21:32.57 | fadden | mreimer: in what way? |
| 21:33.11 | mreimer | fadden: I'm having a problem on a very fast armv5 device (you've helped me with these segfaults) |
| 21:33.14 | bert0 | mpardo, thanks for making it |
| 21:33.15 | mpardo | i've got everything except parsing frequency out of amr |
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| 21:33.33 | mreimer | fadden: we're seeing memory get overwritten |
| 21:33.47 | fadden | mreimer: threads are Linux threads, sync primitives are based on futexes, should be stable on a single-core CPU |
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| 21:35.53 | mreimer | fadden: what do you mean by "Linux threads"? I thought Android rolled its own minimal threads in bionic |
| 21:36.34 | fadden | mreimer: I mean the pthread calls in bionic end up in Linux clone(), same as other Linux systems |
| 21:36.42 | mreimer | fadden: gotcha |
| 21:37.07 | fadden | There is always a possibility of weirdness in our pthread implementation. |
| 21:37.27 | marix_g`1 | mpardo, does the sdk have any speech recognition? |
| 21:37.55 | fadden | I spent a fun few days chasing down a rare bug in the recursive mutex code. |
| 21:38.08 | fadden | But on the whole it gets exercised pretty well by the existing system, and has held up. |
| 21:38.17 | mreimer | fadden: this device has a 200 MHz memory bus, and the cpu runs at 816 MHz, so I wonder if it's better at exposing race conditions |
| 21:38.39 | sparkle | mreimer: nice. |
| 21:38.51 | mreimer | sparkle: yeah, on a VGA screen |
| 21:38.54 | fadden | mreimer: if you'd like to send me one I'll take a look at it. :-) |
| 21:39.05 | sparkle | the g1 is heavily memory bandwidth limited as far as i can tell |
| 21:39.07 | mreimer | fadden: I'll ask |
| 21:39.20 | mreimer | sparkle: this thing flies, even without hardware acceleration |
| 21:39.44 | marix_g`1 | sparkle, whats teh speed of the memory bus? |
| 21:39.53 | sparkle | hold |
| 21:39.55 | sparkle | i did an lmbench |
| 21:40.36 | fadden | mreimer: the simulator (not emulator) runs full speed on desktop x86, and has done a fair job as a race-condition generator, but it's using glibc rather than bionic. |
| 21:40.49 | sparkle | if i can find it :p |
| 21:40.53 | mreimer | fadden: we've tracked this particular crash down to frameworks/base/core/jni/android_util_AssetManager.cpp:1332 block->setTo(a->getBuffer(true)... |
| 21:40.56 | sparkle | mem bandwidth tops out at 120MB/s |
| 21:41.02 | marix_g`1 | :( |
| 21:41.31 | sparkle | 11ns to l1, 230-300ns for sequential access outside of that, 800+ns latency for random access :p |
| 21:41.45 | mreimer | fadden: if we break that statement down and assign a->getBuffer's result to a local variable, the crash goes away |
| 21:42.21 | fadden | mreimer: what compiler? the provided gcc toolchain? |
| 21:42.40 | mreimer | fadden: yep. we're guessing that's because the stack gets rearranged enough to avoid getting overwritten |
| 21:42.42 | andyross | That sounds a lot more like a compiler bug (or code generation interaction with missing volatile, etc...). |
| 21:42.51 | mreimer | fadden: this is with a 2.6.26 kernel |
| 21:43.18 | mreimer | fadden: we built Android on a 64-bit machine. Might that cause weird problems? |
| 21:43.22 | mreimer | am building on 32-bit now |
| 21:43.42 | fadden | mreimer: shouldn't affect the output of the cross-compiler |
| 21:43.43 | mreimer | fadden: "yep" meaning yes, using the prebuilt toolchain in the open-source drop |
| 21:44.39 | fadden | mreimer: you good with ARM code? Might be useful to arm-eabi-dump -d the android_util_AssetManager.o both ways |
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| 21:45.17 | mreimer | fadden: I've done some arm disassembly and hand-patching |
| 21:45.31 | RyeBrye | mreimer - what device is this you are playing with? |
| 21:46.18 | mreimer | RyeBrye: http://www.sdgsystems.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&Itemid=51 |
| 21:47.36 | mreimer | RyeBrye: it's a very well designed device, especially compared to others I've seen |
| 21:47.52 | luok | haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1dDyUqQudk |
| 21:47.58 | RyeBrye | It'd had better be - for $1600 to $2k :) |
| 21:48.07 | fadden | mreimer: anyway, the actual contents of the function in "known good" vs. "known crash" might be interesting. |
| 21:48.08 | mreimer | indeed |
| 21:48.21 | marix_g`1 | eldang, thats a beast of a "phone" |
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| 21:48.34 | famast1 | what is the simplest way (in xml) to set the background of a layout (like linearLayout) to a gradient |
| 21:48.35 | RyeBrye | it doesn't have a phone radio does it? |
| 21:48.45 | mreimer | fadden: thanks, I'll check into it |
| 21:48.48 | fadden | I beat my head against an ARM generation bug a couple years back, but it's been pretty solid since. |
| 21:48.57 | mreimer | RyeBrye: you can get gsm and I think cdma |
| 21:49.32 | User135 | Any way to switch my imei from my razor to my g1? |
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| 21:49.37 | marix_g`1 | god damn it queen is awesome. |
| 21:49.50 | mreimer | fadden: should 2.6.26 be adequate? |
| 21:50.15 | mreimer | I noticed a shared mmap patch for armv5 go in after 2.6.26 |
| 21:50.23 | RyeBrye | the G1's are running on 2.6.25 right now |
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| 21:50.38 | mreimer | RyeBrye: I guess that answers that |
| 21:51.22 | RyeBrye | The latest work on the android-msm kernel seems to be happening in the 2.6.27 branch, but there aren't any public releases |
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| 21:53.20 | fadden | mreimer: FWIW, I tried the change you described ("const void* buf = a->getBuffer(true);" then call buf) and the output of arm-eabi-objdump -d was the same. |
| 21:53.30 | fadden | (which is what I was expecting) |
| 21:53.41 | fadden | So something is up. |
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| 21:56.26 | marix_g`1 | mreimer, you're gonna take a video of android underwater right? |
| 21:57.03 | mreimer | marix_g`1: that'd be cool! |
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| 21:58.36 | meyou | is there some technical reason the android can't record video? |
| 21:58.36 | marix_g`1 | so, after running w/ the accelerometer changing screen orientation app i can see why the scrapped it... |
| 21:58.46 | meyou | it seems like this function could be added via an app |
| 21:58.55 | marix_g`1 | google doesn't want to 1 up the iphone? |
| 21:59.03 | meyou | lol |
| 21:59.05 | meyou | lies |
| 21:59.34 | marix_g`1 | given how poorly the still camera app works i wonder if maybe it just wasnt ready |
| 21:59.45 | marix_g`1 | because, man does that app suck balls |
| 21:59.55 | meyou | yeah the 5+ second shutter delay can be tiresome |
| 22:00.06 | marix_g`1 | the startup time is horrid aswell |
| 22:00.07 | unix_lappy | the application or the user should decide whether the orientation should change, NOT the OS. |
| 22:00.48 | RyeBrye | In the case of the mail program, it does - it wont rotate even if the auto rotate is turned on |
| 22:00.49 | mreimer | fadden: my coworker says the following patch makes the crash go away (though we run into trouble down the line: "Bad XML..."): http://pastebin.com/mf94341f |
| 22:01.06 | mreimer | fadden: the "take two" case doesn't get hit |
| 22:01.25 | unix_lappy | howdy RyeBrye |
| 22:01.27 | mreimer | fadden: but if he makes 'p' static, the crash returns |
| 22:01.37 | luok | marix_g`1: does orientation changing not work well? |
| 22:02.09 | fadden | mreimer: making 'p' static is going to be very bad if two threads are running. |
| 22:02.32 | mreimer | fadden: good point. this is system_server btw, with 15 threads going |
| 22:02.34 | fadden | mreimer: the LOGE turns into a system call which can cause the scheduler to switch threads |
| 22:02.44 | mreimer | ah |
| 22:03.46 | mreimer | fadden: do you have a pthreads stress tester for Android/bionic? |
| 22:03.56 | fadden | mreimer: yes, it's called "system_server". :-) |
| 22:04.04 | mreimer | :-) |
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| 22:04.51 | fadden | You said "take two" doesn't get hit. So it's failing out in getBuffer()? |
| 22:05.18 | fadden | Or just that p is non-nil? |
| 22:05.57 | fadden | Might be useful to check the contents of the buffer that "p" points to. |
| 22:06.46 | mreimer | fadden: "I put code in ensureAlignment that indicates it is not returning null, but setTo fails because it was passed a null pointer." |
| 22:07.52 | mreimer | fadden: so somehow in a short span of instructions the value gets overwritten as NULL |
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| 22:08.45 | fadden | mreimer: that suggests that a register is getting trampled, which seems unlikely |
| 22:08.52 | fadden | (barring gcc hosage) |
| 22:09.50 | mreimer | fadden: I doubt it's gcc hosage, since we're using the same compiler (prebuilt/linux-x86/tools...) on the same arch (armv5) |
| 22:10.23 | mreimer | fadden: coworker's here now, nick aric |
| 22:10.23 | fadden | mreimer: if you suspect mmap() may be an issue, you can increase kReadVsMapThreshold or tweak frameworks/base/libs/utils/Asset.cpp:_FileAsset::getBuffer to always read into a heap buffer instead of memory-mapping the file. |
| 22:10.41 | mreimer | fadden: ah, good idea |
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| 22:14.18 | raidfive | similar to findViewById, is it possible to set a view by id? |
| 22:15.28 | mikey| | i need a way to do at also :o |
| 22:15.40 | mikey| | jump to a window with a specific tag (if that is what you mean) |
| 22:17.17 | fadden | mreimer: you're not, say, booting this over NFS are you? |
| 22:17.41 | mreimer | fadden: no, yaffs2 on NAND flash, using the mainline pxa3xx_nand driver with a fix |
| 22:18.06 | mreimer | fadden: I even tried adding flush_cache_all() in the driver's read_buf() and write_buf() |
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| 22:25.13 | bgupta | Ok.. screwed up situation... |
| 22:26.23 | sparkle | best kind |
| 22:26.31 | bgupta | I accidentally somehow confirmed the update.. but I removed the battery within a few seconds... |
| 22:26.53 | sparkle | ok... |
| 22:26.54 | bgupta | now every time I try and power up it tries to start the update.. |
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| 22:27.04 | bgupta | is there any way to recover? |
| 22:27.07 | sparkle | hmmm |
| 22:27.26 | sparkle | i think there was a post on the xda board about this |
| 22:27.29 | bgupta | Or am I basically stuck with having to upgrade and hope they jailbreak b30 |
| 22:27.48 | sparkle | someone had the same thing happen |
| 22:27.50 | sparkle | they were able to get out |
| 22:27.54 | bgupta | ok... |
| 22:28.01 | sparkle | can you get into recovery mode? |
| 22:28.09 | bgupta | NOt sure how |
| 22:28.22 | jbq | recovery = boot with the home key pressed. |
| 22:28.35 | bgupta | I haven't had time to do a lot of diggin and playing which is why I am having this issue.. gonna try that |
| 22:28.36 | sparkle | nods |
| 22:29.13 | sparkle | so it has an original recovery image |
| 22:29.19 | bgupta | same situation... |
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| 22:29.26 | jbq | be aware that you're playing with fire here. If the update actually starts and you pull the battery half-way through, it's not quite clear which state you'll be in and how you'll be able to recover. |
| 22:29.41 | sparkle | nods |
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| 22:29.55 | bgupta | no recovery console. |
| 22:29.57 | sparkle | it's under warranty :) |
| 22:30.18 | bgupta | hmmm... yeah, but I will prolly get a new one, with b30, yeah? |
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| 22:30.40 | bgupta | Freaking annoying, it's worse than iPhone. |
| 22:30.45 | sparkle | yeah |
| 22:30.47 | sparkle | heh |
| 22:31.17 | sparkle | though it's pretty cool once you thrash it into shape |
| 22:32.01 | jbq | bgupta: sorry that we implemented a mechanism that allow to fix e.g. major security holes in the browser (like in RC30) even if you're not at a computer. |
| 22:32.35 | sparkle | nods |
| 22:32.46 | bgupta | I don't mind the fact that's it's cabable of doing it, it's that it's so intrusive... |
| 22:32.55 | sparkle | jbq, i have my g1 up as an afs cell now :) |
| 22:33.10 | jbq | (being a bit facetious here, and I understand that it's not exactly what you wanted in this situation, but it's a fairly valuable feature) |
| 22:33.26 | bgupta | I agree OTA updates are a holy grail |
| 22:33.30 | sparkle | sometimes you just have to take technology where it wasn't supposed to go |
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| 22:34.14 | bgupta | but.. I have been waiting for a hackable linux/unix phone for ages... and with all the Open advertasing Google was spinning I assumed this would be the device. |
| 22:34.28 | bgupta | Ala the the Linksys router of cellphones |
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| 22:34.59 | jbq | *nod* |
| 22:35.16 | Disconnect | bgupta: shoulda gotten a moko. its hackable (although it's qualifications as a cellphone are dubious) |
| 22:35.26 | bgupta | moko is garbage |
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| 22:37.02 | Disconnect | wait'll you get farther into android. ;) |
| 22:37.35 | bgupta | That was a bit harsh... but it's definately not ready for any sort of productive use |
| 22:38.37 | bgupta | Sparkle: What's the deal, trying to find the xda article. |
| 22:38.41 | Disconnect | is still waiting for a one-line email fix |
| 22:38.45 | Lenolium | The only thing I want in the G1 is real teathering support. |
| 22:38.59 | Disconnect | Lenolium: got root? |
| 22:39.11 | bgupta | Still carry a Treo 800w to use as a WiFi hotspot |
| 22:39.20 | sparkle | bgupta, i'll try to find it when i make it back to my desk |
| 22:39.24 | jbq | It's really sad that the CPU in the OpenMoko devices only implements ARMv4T while Android requires ARMv5TE. That's an unfortunate mismatch. |
| 22:39.33 | Disconnect | needs to hash out some speed problems (not gonna happen today..) but bt pan tethering is available |
| 22:39.37 | bgupta | Android will get there, but not via Java apps |
| 22:39.47 | bgupta | thanks sparkle.. |
| 22:40.08 | Lenolium | Disconnect: I upgraded too quickly. So no root for me. |
| 22:40.19 | bgupta | Damn I gotta run out with laptop to usergroup meeting... gonna send you my email via private |
| 22:40.38 | Disconnect | Lenolium: then (once i get a new version submitted) you can help by submitting useful comments to my patches in garrit. |
| 22:41.01 | Lenolium | Disconnect: I would be happy to. |
| 22:41.03 | Disconnect | and hoping tmob does a full 180 in their attitudes about tethering. and releases some usability patches someday. |
| 22:41.08 | spikebike | jpq seems like 99% of the magic is either in the linux kernel, or the android userspace |
| 22:41.15 | spikebike | jpg so they just need to port dex |
| 22:41.20 | spikebike | er dalvik |
| 22:41.52 | mikey| | are there any images of the images that ship with the sdk by default? |
| 22:41.58 | mikey| | like for menu bar, etc |
| 22:42.21 | fadden | spikebike: dalvik changes were pretty minimal (can't use ldrd/strd, need to bx rather than just move to PC) |
| 22:42.39 | Disconnect | thought it was somewhat ridiculous that android wants to run 'everywhere' but requires ASM hacking and cpu support rather than working with a higher-level abstractions that .. you know.. run everywhere.. |
| 22:42.43 | jbq | spikebike: if 99% of the change is split between kernel an user-space, I wonder where the last 1% went ;-) |
| 22:42.53 | Disconnect | jbq: mandelbrot app |
| 22:42.59 | spikebike | heh |
| 22:43.18 | jbq | Anything that's written in C should require no additional work. It's the assembly stuff that needs some attention. |
| 22:43.30 | spikebike | Just seems like you take any linux kernel (which openmoku has) port dalvik and the hard part is the screen resolution and lack of keyboard |
| 22:43.53 | Disconnect | totally unrelated, but i wanna go home. :) anyone here want to peek at my mod-rewrite disaster? |
| 22:44.08 | Disconnect | #apache is alternately silent and intro-to-computers :( |
| 22:44.20 | Lenolium | Disconnect: Having inspired a number of mod_rewrite disasters, I'll help you out there. |
| 22:44.53 | jbq | spikebike: the 3 areas I'm aware of are primarily libc, dalvik, and pixelflinger. I don't know how OpenGL and skia are affected. |
| 22:45.04 | Disconnect | Lenolium: cool :) http://pastebin.ca/1275371 .. trying to use mod-rewrite to resolve the directory index (BAR-index.htm in this case) and redirect to the completed url (www.foo.com/stuff/BAR-index.htm) it acts like it is firing, but doesn't change the url |
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| 22:46.05 | jbq | spikebike: on the kernel side, you still need a kernel that has all the openmoko drivers and all the android drivers. The work has been done already, and it's not related to differences in the instruction set. |
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| 22:46.53 | mikey|| | it works! |
| 22:47.04 | sparkle | yay! |
| 22:47.07 | sparkle | what? |
| 22:47.14 | mikey|| | irc app |
| 22:47.21 | sparkle | oh cool |
| 22:47.35 | Disconnect | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.49 | mikey| | go ahead |
| 22:48.18 | mikey| | Disconnect: get my pm? |
| 22:49.00 | Lenolium | mikey|: Can I have a look as well? |
| 22:49.17 | Disconnect | yah pm worked |
| 22:49.48 | mikey| | Lenolium: still a few bugs to sort out :) |
| 22:49.52 | mikey| | soon, very soon |
| 22:50.41 | mikey| | one more coursework then im free to work on this until january |
| 22:50.45 | DJTachyon | well .. looks like my company is flying me out to san fran this tomorrow morning |
| 22:50.54 | DJTachyon | never been to cali ;) |
| 22:51.09 | Disconnect | DJTachyon: how long will you be there? |
| 22:51.32 | jbq | DJTachyon: where are you flying from? |
| 22:51.51 | DJTachyon | somewhere between thurs-fri and thurs-sun |
| 22:51.52 | Disconnect | Lenolium: any suggestions on that config? |
| 22:51.56 | DJTachyon | from Newark |
| 22:52.20 | DJTachyon | gonna be a long flight .. :P |
| 22:52.39 | jbq | DJTachyon: you might find the weather slightly different at this time of the year (a bit warmer here). |
| 22:52.43 | Lenolium | Disconnect: Did you see the updated post I fired back? |
| 22:52.50 | DJTachyon | actually going to Benicia |
| 22:53.03 | DJTachyon | so i have an hour drive after I get to SF |
| 22:53.10 | jbq | amusingly, there's a "newark" city in the bay area. |
| 22:53.16 | DJTachyon | lol |
| 22:53.21 | Disconnect | yah but the host is the same. we're turning www.foo.com/stuff/ into www.foo.com/stuff/FOO-index.htm (where FOO-index.htm comes from DirectoryIndex) |
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| 22:54.02 | DJTachyon | welp should be fun ... too bad I couldnt take the company jet |
| 22:54.03 | DJTachyon | :) |
| 22:54.04 | Disconnect | so we want www.foo.com/stuff/FOO-index.htm to pass through but www.foo.com/stuff/ to trip (the passthrough version, which is the same rewritecond but no !, works fine. and this whole mess was ok in apache1.3) |
| 22:54.37 | DJTachyon | i have taken a company Aerostar to long island from jersey though :P .. the view of NYC is awesome |
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| 22:55.29 | fadden | Disconnect: (older topic) you are free to use the "portable" interpreter on your ARMv4T device. |
| 22:55.42 | DJTachyon | here is a crappy video from my Moto Q landing in the Aerostar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn50Q4WJRk0 |
| 22:56.33 | luok | DJTachyon: lol i thought you meant ford aerostar |
| 22:56.40 | DJTachyon | everybody does ;) |
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| 22:59.03 | DJTachyon | uh oh .. everybody is probably looking at my other videos now :0 |
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| 23:00.13 | Disconnect | they're on youtube. if you want them private, leave them at home.. |
| 23:00.45 | DJTachyon | hehe they are awesome .. i dont care ;) |
| 23:00.56 | DJTachyon | apart from the horrible audio on a couple of them |
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| 23:02.06 | tethridge | I'm at work, but I'm wondering why there is a clip named "cock in your mouth" when I view your clip about a airplane landing |
| 23:02.13 | tethridge | I can't touch that one |
| 23:02.16 | DJTachyon | o_O |
| 23:02.39 | fadden | tethridge: no doubt it's about the old circus geeks |
| 23:02.57 | DJTachyon | is confuzzled... |
| 23:02.58 | an_dev | does anybody know anything about HTMLViewer app in android source code? |
| 23:03.35 | fadden | (originally, a "geek" was somebody who bit the head off of a live chicken) |
| 23:03.49 | DJTachyon | what does that make Ozzy? |
| 23:03.58 | Disconnect | an underachiever |
| 23:04.02 | fadden | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geek |
| 23:04.07 | DJTachyon | hehehe |
| 23:04.18 | DJTachyon | anyway .. ill be IRC'ing from my phone in cali by tomorrow morning |
| 23:04.23 | DJTachyon | i gotta get packin .. |
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| 23:08.55 | bmk789 | can any phones other than the G1 run android natively? |
| 23:12.36 | Lenolium | bmk789: I think there are some that can run it via hacks |
| 23:12.52 | mikey| | cant freerunner or something do it? |
| 23:13.21 | bmk789 | Lenolium, ive seen a few with windows mobile use some app to launch android on top of it but that doesnt run the same does it? |
| 23:13.24 | mikey| | btw, this is strange, my app can still update the screen even when it's not in focus |
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| 23:14.53 | Lenolium | bmk789: Well, from what I understand, those run as if they were running with the full power of the system, so it's like they were native, but how much of the phone it actually supports, who knows. |
| 23:15.34 | bmk789 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.00 | bmk789 | thanks |
| 23:18.54 | mikey| | http://androidirc.net/ |
| 23:18.56 | mikey| | nn |
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| 23:26.00 | blau | mikey is that urs? |
| 23:27.50 | unix_lappy | heh, according to mikey| it looks tmobile gave him an 8GB sd card to go along with his free android phone ;-P |
| 23:28.12 | blau | free phone? |
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| 23:38.35 | Lieutenant | DUDE |
| 23:38.38 | Lieutenant | mikey! |
| 23:38.58 | Lieutenant | make it where u can SLIDE the channel windows left to right to switch between them |
| 23:39.00 | Lieutenant | AND |
| 23:39.05 | Lieutenant | here is another great suggestion |
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| 23:40.02 | Lieutenant | make it where u can TOGGLE between servers by swiping the screen UPWARDS (so the new server window comes from the bottem) when you are viewing live text. |
| 23:40.19 | ttuttle | Lieutenant: How do you scroll? |
| 23:40.21 | Lieutenant | bitch aint here. |
| 23:40.24 | ttuttle | Lieutenant: ... |
| 23:40.39 | Lieutenant | no, u have to be viewing LIVE text (already at the bottem so u cant scroll down anymore) |
| 23:40.57 | Lieutenant | so just swipe a large portion of the screen upwards, and it'll go to the next server |
| 23:41.08 | eldenz | so if you were scrolling up to read stuff and scroll back down... you accidently toggle server? :) |
| 23:41.13 | Lieutenant | no dude. |
| 23:41.19 | Lieutenant | u have to START at the bottem |
| 23:41.54 | eldenz | one could also use different areas to detect scrolls, like connectbot does |
| 23:42.14 | Lieutenant | yeah, but still, my idea works perfectly also. your idea is great too |
| 23:42.42 | eldenz | i don't take any credit though ;) |
| 23:43.07 | Lieutenant | word. i want mikey to come online so i can tell him my suggestions :( |
| 23:43.56 | Lieutenant | and i want the beat |
| 23:43.57 | Lieutenant | beta |
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| 23:52.13 | foonixx | Hey. Does anyone know a way to temporarily at run-time prevent an activity from being restarted when the orientation is changed? I have some async network operations going on, and flipping orientation while they're running makes weird things happen. I know I can always force a certain activity to have a constant orientation, but I just need to temporarily twiddle this behavior. |
| 23:53.08 | jbq | Your problem is probably that this async network operation isn't async enough from the activity lifecycle. |
| 23:53.54 | foonixx | jbq: How do you mean? I don't follow. |
| 23:54.15 | andyross | Stopping an activity doesn't terminate the process. There's no reason you can't leave the operation running. Or am I misunderstanding? |
| 23:54.36 | jbq | I think that the real answer should be "don't mess with your network stuff when the activity changes". |
| 23:55.08 | foonixx | Well, the async operation modifies some views when it completes. If the activity gets destroyed and then recreated, the completion handler guy ends up modifying views in the now defunct activity. |
| 23:55.54 | jbq | sounds like you'll be fine if you fix that specific problem. |
| 23:58.14 | andyross | foonixx: what you have there is a MVC design violation. :) |
| 23:58.16 | foonixx | jbq: Yes, that's a good point. I could keep a static reference to the most recently created instance of the activity, and modify the correct views that way. Is that following best practices, though? It feels dirty. |
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| 23:59.39 | andyross | Probably better to have a (ahem) "controller" object somewhere responsible for arbitrating which application state changes (call it the "model", just because) should apply to which current views are active. |
