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| 17:14.16 | unix_lappy | RyeBrye: tried just using the gtalk client proper? |
| 17:14.19 | RyeBrye | I mean - Gmail sniffing the user agent and sending down the page? |
| 17:14.35 | RyeBrye | unix_lappy: to send to SMS? no, I haven't yet |
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| 17:16.42 | d0netsFN | ryebrye |
| 17:16.49 | d0netsFN | didnt you have a list of symlinks ? |
| 17:16.59 | d0netsFN | is there a way to have it auto root and do the symlinks on restart |
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| 17:17.07 | unix_lappy | RyeBrye: send recieve. |
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| 17:31.31 | skyred | Is this a support channel or dev channel for android? |
| 17:31.49 | snappy | Both I believe. |
| 17:32.03 | jasta | skyred: it is both, but a more specialized dev channel also exists at #android-dev |
| 17:32.13 | skyred | it seems to be quite here |
| 17:32.27 | jasta | its not usually |
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| 17:33.18 | skyred | has anyone gotten their dev 1 yet? |
| 17:33.36 | jasta | not that i know of |
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| 17:34.04 | brocktice | skyred, still no shipping info for me |
| 17:34.09 | brocktice | It's now day 4 |
| 17:34.33 | skyred | brocktice, r u outside US? |
| 17:34.39 | brocktice | skyred, no |
| 17:34.42 | brocktice | In the States |
| 17:35.33 | jbq | There are reports on the mailing lists that some people got them. |
| 17:35.38 | skyred | i was hoping I can get dev 1 before next Tuesday android meetup in NYC |
| 17:35.44 | brocktice | jbq, what what what? |
| 17:35.52 | brocktice | Well who knows, maybe it will show up today |
| 17:36.00 | brocktice | Their shipping info system seems to be a bit out of whack |
| 17:36.19 | BlindOracle | brocktice: I assume they'll send an email when it has shipped? |
| 17:36.22 | skyred | In Google's words, It's BETA |
| 17:36.26 | brocktice | I'm just hoping mine comes before I leave town for xmas. |
| 17:36.29 | brocktice | BlindOracle, Supposed to. |
| 17:36.39 | brocktice | And the track order page is supposed to show something once it ships. |
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| 17:37.08 | eggy | I'd like a devphone. I can't afford one atm though :( |
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| 17:38.12 | jbq | brocktice: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/266ce8994900f7f4 |
| 17:38.26 | brocktice | jbq, thanks I was just searching the list |
| 17:38.26 | jbq | Check post by "hoesing" |
| 17:38.30 | brocktice | hadn't found it yet |
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| 17:38.58 | brocktice | I didn't pay for overnight so probably I'll get it next week. |
| 17:39.00 | brocktice | Thanks jbq |
| 17:39.04 | skyred | So, when people submit their applications to the market, do they submit complied files or source code? |
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| 17:39.19 | jbq | skyred: compiled and packaged. |
| 17:40.24 | skyred | has anyone tried reverse compiled some application ? |
| 17:40.40 | brocktice | jbq, can you tell my why, say, youtube won't install on the emulator? |
| 17:40.45 | brocktice | What is error -11? |
| 17:41.16 | jbq | brocktice: I have no precise idea. My guess is that the emulator doesn't have the libraries that youtube depends on. |
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| 17:41.37 | skyred | or decompile |
| 17:41.38 | brocktice | jbq, Oh okay. |
| 17:41.51 | brocktice | It's not some hook that prevents installation or anything like that. |
| 17:42.12 | brocktice | ( I suppose I could always check the source ) |
| 17:42.37 | jbq | brocktice: I'm not sure, to be honest. |
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| 17:42.56 | skyred | jbq, do you know if the "scanning barcodes" function is open sourced? |
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| 17:43.21 | jbq | skyred: that's not part of android. http://code.google.com/p/zxing/ |
| 17:43.30 | brocktice | that app is great |
| 17:43.45 | Damm | brocktice, permission denied is 11 |
| 17:43.51 | Damm | i hink |
| 17:43.54 | brocktice | Damm, thanks |
| 17:44.01 | Damm | i'm used to 11 being permission denied atleast with mysql |
| 17:44.07 | brocktice | shrugs |
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| 17:44.58 | skyred | jbq, so did Shopsavvy use the Zebra Crossing? |
| 17:45.03 | BlindOracle | can the camera on the g1 do video? |
| 17:45.11 | andyross | No. Sigh. |
| 17:45.15 | jbq | skyred: I think that several projects used that library. |
| 17:45.16 | DJTachyon | not yet |
| 17:45.20 | jbq | I'm not sure, though. |
| 17:45.28 | BlindOracle | andyross: hardware limitation or software limitation? ...just curious |
| 17:45.58 | skyred | jbq, is there another android apps having barcode scanning feature? |
| 17:45.59 | DJTachyon | software according to google blogs |
| 17:46.12 | jbq | skyred: not as part of the android core. |
| 17:46.28 | BlindOracle | andyross, DJTachyon: So that could change in future releases of android? |
| 17:46.32 | andyross | Unclear. The current thinking seems to be that the binary blob (Qualcomm's?) implementing the driver is the culprit, but I haven't directly investigated. Clearly a robust video encoder is going to need DSP access too, and that's not documented either. |
| 17:46.46 | BlindOracle | ouch |
| 17:46.47 | skyred | jbq, right, i meant third party apps submitted through market |
| 17:46.47 | BlindOracle | k |
| 17:47.16 | DJTachyon | my app needs direct audio dsp access ;) |
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| 17:48.07 | andyross | Well, I dunno how "clearly". I'm sure there's some codec out there that can encode well on a 384MHz ARM11 at 20Hz or so. There were PCs doing this when they were about the same speed. But other phones almost exclusively use hardware assist for video. |
| 17:48.56 | andyross | DJTachyon: the audio stuff is reasonably well exposed by the existing APIs, at least for mixing. |
| 17:49.16 | DJTachyon | C APIs? |
| 17:49.49 | DJTachyon | or the java apis? |
| 17:49.54 | andyross | C++, yeah. There's an "audio flinger" server that does IPC to user process to pull shared memory buffers for mixing. Take a look at AudioTrack. |
| 17:49.56 | BlindOracle | andyross: and is linux's aio exposed/available/supported via this kernel? |
| 17:50.10 | DJTachyon | yeah i was talking to SanMehat about it ;) |
| 17:50.39 | DarkriftX | i think video support is one of the major things missing in the "iphone killer" :( |
| 17:50.42 | BlindOracle | flinger doesn't support positional audio IIRC - right? |
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| 17:50.45 | andyross | I haven't checked, but I don't see why it wouldn't be. It's a nice, recent kernel, and there's nothing about aio that requires driver support (although it tends to work better in the face of stuff like disks with seek penalties) |
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| 17:51.16 | andyross | Pretty sure I only saw left/right panning and global volume. But I'm hardly the expert. |
| 17:51.21 | BlindOracle | would like to get ACE compiling for it |
| 17:51.32 | DJTachyon | i initially just need a java call for playback speed for my app .. but of course it could just grow from there |
| 17:51.45 | d0netsFN | http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/7#comment-5 |
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| 17:52.33 | BlindOracle | If you don't know what ACE is - http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/ACE-overview.html |
| 17:53.02 | Disconnect | lol. "I know i violated the marketplace ToS but its really nazi of you to remove my app!!" |
| 17:53.07 | d0netsFN | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Replace_Recovery_Partition |
| 17:53.09 | d0netsFN | so i have to do that? |
| 17:53.14 | d0netsFN | do* |
| 17:53.20 | d0netsFN | to do the previous link? |
| 17:53.25 | BlindOracle | Disconnect: lol |
| 17:54.24 | mrjoepink | lol |
| 17:54.26 | mrjoepink | nazi |
| 17:54.26 | DarkriftX | d0netsFN: yes |
| 17:54.27 | mrjoepink | HAHA |
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| 17:54.44 | DJTachyon | so .. are there any google android dev positions in manhatten? :) |
| 17:55.17 | andyross | Or how about where I live, in Oregon? |
| 17:55.28 | andyross | sorry, Oregoon. Ack. Try to make a typo and failed :( |
| 17:55.28 | JesusFreke | woohoo. I just got mine :D |
| 17:55.36 | danfuzz | (note: they don't let you live there until you learn to spell the name right</snark>) |
| 17:55.50 | DJTachyon | jesusFreke: no you didn't, it is just a model |
| 17:55.52 | andyross | watches his magnificent joke sneer at him as it flies out the window... |
| 17:56.17 | JesusFreke | I dunno.. it must be a pretty convincing model :D |
| 17:56.20 | DJTachyon | we have all accepted oregon as the retarded uncle of the US |
| 17:56.27 | JesusFreke | ogles the back cover |
| 17:56.52 | brocktice | JesusFreke, Did you ever get a shipping email? |
| 17:56.59 | JesusFreke | nope. lol |
| 17:57.09 | brocktice | overnight? |
| 17:57.31 | jsharkey | DJTachyon: aww benice to oregon, at least they have full-service gas stations |
| 17:57.50 | JesusFreke | nope. just the free fedex shipping |
| 17:58.05 | brocktice | Maybe there's hope I'll get it this week yet. |
| 17:58.15 | brocktice | JesusFreke, Does it make toast? |
| 17:58.24 | JesusFreke | *pop*. eats toast |
| 17:58.30 | brocktice | O_o |
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| 17:58.45 | brocktice | can't wait :) |
| 17:58.47 | DJTachyon | jsharkey ... |
| 17:59.00 | DJTachyon | I live in NJ .. it's illegal to pump your own gas ;) |
| 17:59.08 | kirberich_ | JesusFreke, so you got the phone, but no mail that it was shipped? |
| 17:59.11 | danfuzz | yep, nj and oregon both |
| 17:59.12 | kirberich_ | did the tracking work? |
| 17:59.23 | DJTachyon | so ... |
| 17:59.28 | DJTachyon | moons jsharkey |
| 17:59.29 | DJTachyon | :P |
| 17:59.29 | jsharkey | DJTachyon: see, then youll feel right at home ;) |
| 17:59.38 | danfuzz | freaks me out whenever i drive through/in them |
| 17:59.51 | DJTachyon | actually i was born on Bainbridge Island, WA .. so I wasn't far .. |
| 18:00.17 | danfuzz | gf's parents live in nj, so i'm there with some regularity |
| 18:00.23 | brocktice | DJTachyon, Must have been a beautiful place to grow up. |
| 18:00.31 | brocktice | <3s the San Juans |
| 18:01.08 | mmarker | debates trying to brick his phone |
| 18:01.19 | DJTachyon | was there til I was 6 .. then dallas, tx .. then lincoln, ne .. then updates NY for college :P |
| 18:01.22 | DJTachyon | been all over |
| 18:01.27 | SanMehat | jsharkey: yo |
| 18:01.28 | danfuzz | prefers his phone fully operational, fwiw |
| 18:01.34 | DJTachyon | s/updates/upstate |
| 18:01.36 | DJTachyon | .. :P |
| 18:01.52 | andyross | Gotta say that (outside the unfortunate gas pumping policies) I have nothing but good stuff to say about Portland. Not as busy as the bay area (lived in the east bay for 5 years), and just generally more pleasant than Boston (grew up there) |
| 18:02.10 | JesusFreke | what gas pumping policies? |
| 18:02.11 | jsharkey | SanMehat: mornin :) sounds like im catching lunch on campus today |
| 18:02.18 | SanMehat | jsharkey: nice |
| 18:02.24 | kirberich_ | JesusFreke, please throw me a bone here, I'm going crazy with apprehension. Did the tracking site ever say something else then "you haven't ordered anything yet"? |
| 18:02.34 | JesusFreke | nope |
| 18:02.43 | andyross | As mentioned, it's illegal to pump your own gas here. Which is nice enough, but inevitably means huge lines and needless waiting when you're in a rush. |
| 18:02.48 | JesusFreke | you can track by reference with your brightstar order number on fedex though |
| 18:02.55 | JesusFreke | at least it worked for me |
| 18:02.58 | kirberich_ | ah, awesome |
| 18:03.01 | kirberich_ | thanks a lot |
| 18:03.05 | brocktice | JesusFreke, ooh |
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| 18:03.55 | JesusFreke | what, no root access via adb shell? :D |
| 18:03.59 | JesusFreke | *boggle* |
| 18:04.19 | JesusFreke | ah, it's got su out of the box though |
| 18:05.04 | brocktice | aah excellent, my phone should arrive tomorrow |
| 18:05.11 | brocktice | it's in Chicago. |
| 18:05.34 | DJTachyon | hopefully the illinois gov doesnt steal it |
| 18:05.47 | JesusFreke | you know their envious |
| 18:05.49 | brocktice | DJTachyon, what? |
| 18:05.49 | JesusFreke | they're |
| 18:06.22 | mmarker | brocktice isn't a Senate candidate |
| 18:06.50 | DJTachyon | hehe |
| 18:06.59 | brocktice | Guess I'm out of the loop on the US news |
| 18:07.16 | brocktice | ah found it |
| 18:07.18 | DJTachyon | brocktice: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=illinois+governor&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1278986701&sa=X&oi=news_result&resnum=1&ct=more-results&cd=1 |
| 18:07.18 | brocktice | thanks google |
| 18:07.28 | mmarker | oh you should. its funny reading... |
| 18:07.29 | DJTachyon | only 11K news hits on google news :P |
| 18:07.37 | mmarker | Scary funny. |
| 18:07.54 | mmarker | And a whole new level of stupid. |
| 18:08.26 | DJTachyon | apparently you have a 48% chance of going to jail if you commit murder and a 50% chance of going to jail if you have been one of the last 8 governers of illinois |
| 18:08.56 | Dougie1871 | seems like you are better off killing someone. |
| 18:09.34 | DJTachyon | indeed ... |
| 18:10.30 | DJTachyon | oh hey andyross .. |
| 18:10.46 | DJTachyon | did you check out my App UI? :P ... |
| 18:11.01 | andyross | Um, no. Should I have? |
| 18:11.19 | mmarker | And the first time in a while, if I recall, no sex was involved in an IL gov scandal. Times must be tough if all you want is cash. |
| 18:11.23 | DJTachyon | it was just related to our conversation |
| 18:11.36 | DJTachyon | http://www.djtachyon.com/android/AndroidDJ3.jpg |
| 18:11.59 | DJTachyon | ;) |
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| 18:13.12 | jsharkey | DJTachyon: bigger touch targets make for happier users :) |
| 18:13.46 | jasta | i was just about to say hehe |
| 18:14.23 | jsharkey | the progress bars are hard enough to touch by themselves, and are about the smallest things in the ui framework |
| 18:14.55 | DJTachyon | yeah .. im working on condensing and resizing stuff |
| 18:15.32 | kirberich_ | JesusFreke, thanks again, I'm happy now, my phone is in philadelphia right now :) |
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| 18:16.16 | mmarker | hmm, sell my g1 for a dev phone or not... |
| 18:16.31 | DJTachyon | good question .. |
| 18:16.57 | Disconnect | mmarker: ..not. just install the new bootloader and be happy. |
| 18:17.47 | JesusFreke | np kirb :) |
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| 18:18.45 | Disconnect | ok its officially the end of the platform and we should all go to #maemo. there is a legitimate question about using ProLog under android. |
| 18:19.34 | DJTachyon | o_O |
| 18:19.45 | DJTachyon | Get some smalltalk up in here |
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| 18:19.55 | Disconnect | ..the problem is, he's serious |
| 18:20.05 | DJTachyon | ... |
| 18:20.41 | Dougie1871 | you looking for some smalltalk? |
| 18:20.47 | Dougie1871 | im good at that. |
| 18:20.50 | Dougie1871 | thats why i hang out here. |
| 18:21.05 | xsdg | DJTachyon: uhh... in case you didn't notice, your descenders are cut off in that screenshot |
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| 18:21.47 | dual | Is it technically possible to run Android on SE P1 (ARM9 processor, I believe)? |
| 18:21.59 | Disconnect | anything is possible with enough work. |
| 18:22.25 | Dougie1871 | They might port it eventually though, because SE is not part of the OHA |
| 18:22.30 | xsdg | dual: don't quote me, but I think I remember the minimum instruction set being ARMv4T or something |
| 18:22.47 | DJTachyon | xsdg: oh? |
| 18:22.48 | jbq | currently ARMv5TE. There's some work to make it run on ARMv4T. |
| 18:22.53 | dual | Disconnect: I saw they've got to run it on a HTC Touch today. |
| 18:23.00 | xsdg | points at jbq |
| 18:23.19 | Dougie1871 | btw i meant now instead of not. |
| 18:23.20 | Disconnect | istr SE joined in the anouncement last week |
| 18:23.23 | Disconnect | yah |
| 18:23.26 | andyross | ARM9 (the core) is ARMv5TE (the ISA) already though. Have to go all the way back to ARM7TDMI to find an ARMv4 part. |
| 18:23.40 | jbq | ARM9TDMI is v4T |
| 18:24.06 | andyross | has to go look that up, he's was all but certain about this... |
| 18:24.22 | fadden | Wikipedia has a nice chart. |
| 18:24.30 | dual | The UIQ thing from SE totally sucks, so Android instead would be fantastic |
| 18:24.44 | jbq | more specifically, the 920T core is ARM9TDMI, ARMv4T. |
| 18:24.50 | mmarker | It is. ARM arch names and versions mess with my brain |
| 18:25.26 | Damm | mmarker, that's intel for you |
| 18:25.34 | dual | What knowledge would one need to be able to port/get it to work on an ARM9 device? |
| 18:25.50 | dual | Assembly and such low-level stuff? |
| 18:25.51 | andyross | Not Intel's fault. They sold their ARM stuff, even. |
| 18:26.14 | fadden | Marvell now, right? |
| 18:26.20 | jbq | dual: the hard part about porting isn't the CPU, it's the drivers. |
| 18:26.22 | Nafai | fadden: I think that's right |
| 18:26.33 | andyross | Yeah, although I think XScales are still coming out of Intel fabs on contract. |
| 18:26.36 | mmarker | Damn: blame the Brits, actually |
| 18:26.38 | xsdg | DJTachyon: a "descender" is a piece of text that goes below the baseline |
| 18:26.45 | xsdg | DJTachyon: look at your "p"s on the buttons |
| 18:27.03 | mmarker | We need to toss more tea into the harbor. |
| 18:27.11 | dual | jbq: I wouldn't care too much if I couldn't call or SMS, I would just like to try it ;) |
| 18:27.13 | xsdg | DJTachyon: ftr, bits that extend upward are called "ascenders" (for instantce, in "d" and "b") |
| 18:31.59 | DJTachyon | oh sure .. yeah i noticed that ;) |
| 18:32.11 | DJTachyon | well i got rid of the extra title on the top for more room |
| 18:32.27 | DJTachyon | an made the buttons bigger .. the sliders too |
| 18:32.34 | DJTachyon | brb |
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| 18:43.22 | Damm | andyross, yes but intel named it initially... what Marvell does is usually just following the leader. |
| 18:45.02 | andyross | No, the ARM9/ARM11 core names and ARMv[45]... architecture names come from ARM Ltd.; what Intel owned was the XScale core itself, which was a licensed ARM implementation (that was originally called StrongARM, and done by DEC before they handed it over in a patent settlement in the 90's) |
| 18:45.37 | RyeBrye | I wonder if anyone has considered porting android to a digital camera |
| 18:45.47 | RyeBrye | not because it would be functional |
| 18:45.49 | Death_Syn | RyeBrye: you know, that could be a sweet ui for a camera |
| 18:45.51 | Dougie1871 | im already like 95% done with it. |
| 18:46.39 | RyeBrye | You'd obviously have to write a ton of code to get the actual camera functions to work |
| 18:46.47 | Dougie1871 | of course. |
| 18:48.11 | RyeBrye | Dougie1871: are you seriously working on it? |
| 18:48.16 | Dougie1871 | no. |
| 18:48.19 | RyeBrye | ok |
| 18:48.22 | RyeBrye | just checking :) |
| 18:48.30 | Dougie1871 | i don't actually work on anything. |
| 18:48.53 | Dougie1871 | it is a neat idea though. |
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| 18:52.02 | RyeBrye | Canon cameras will run code from the SD card - that's how CHDK works to hack them without reflashing the camera's main flash, would be funny to play around with |
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| 18:53.44 | Tarelerulz | So is there any program that let the g1 record video ? app store or hack of some sort |
| 18:54.08 | RyeBrye | There will be soon I'm sure - a bunch of video encoding related stuff is being checked into the msm 2.6.27 kernel tree |
| 18:54.09 | DJTachyon | hmm if you force the seekbar layout height to make it bigger, the little knob graphic doesnt grow .. but the clickable part does .. so it is functional, just not pretty |
| 18:55.17 | DJTachyon | tarelerulz: not yet |
| 18:56.08 | Sembiance | so... |
| 18:56.18 | Sembiance | I get excited about thinking about coding for the android. |
| 18:56.24 | Tarelerulz | Well, I hope they do put video recorder or something really cool. it been so open just make the feature only limted by what people are willing to make |
| 18:56.43 | Disconnect | Sembiance: take some personal time if you need. |
| 18:56.46 | Sembiance | but I'm not excited about coding something in specific, some app or game. Anyone have any suggestions on something cool to make to push me over the edge and started? |
| 18:57.04 | RyeBrye | Sembiance: Here's an idea I want to write but I'm too busy to get started - should be simple enough |
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| 18:57.13 | DJTachyon | time machine |
| 18:57.15 | DJTachyon | ? |
| 18:57.44 | Sembiance | I was thinking of a missile command clone. |
| 18:57.48 | Disconnect | Tarelerulz: most of the feature-limit part is what teh goog is/can put into the platform and hardware drivers (although remember, its a platform not a device. thats why all the g1 specific stuff comes from htc and tmo..wait, what? its from google too? i'm so confused...) |
| 18:57.58 | Sembiance | I was also thinking about some sort of game where you have to 'paint' the screen with your finger or something, to proceed |
| 18:58.12 | RyeBrye | Sembiance: I want an app that will respond to an incoming SMS and if I send it a message with a keyword (perhaps a PIN) like "whereareyou 11111" - it will turn the speaker to max volume and play loud chirping noises every 30 seconds until it is either texted to turn off - or until a user presses a button "I found you" |
| 18:58.14 | Tarelerulz | sembicnce , a cool would be one that would let you listen to say music in one ear and the other ear listen to phone calls. |
| 18:58.21 | Disconnect | RyeBrye: lol |
| 18:58.26 | Disconnect | lose things? |
| 18:58.33 | RyeBrye | Sembiance: The obvious use case would be - you leave your phone somewhere and it's on vibrate.. and it's a bitch to find phones that are set on vibrate |
| 18:58.35 | RyeBrye | :) |
| 18:59.03 | RyeBrye | I haven't lost the G1. It's kind of hard to - it's always in one of 3 places... In the charger downstairs by my computer, or in the charger upstairs, or in my hands being transfered between chargers |
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| 18:59.15 | DJTachyon | haha |
| 18:59.18 | Sembiance | RyeBrye: hrm... so a 'locate' me sort of feature. |
| 18:59.21 | Disconnect | lol |
| 18:59.22 | Sembiance | RyeBrye: interesting... |
| 18:59.36 | DJTachyon | god i need a car charger |
| 18:59.38 | RyeBrye | Sembiance: PinTail does locate and sends back GPS - but that's not really helpful if the phone is lost |
| 18:59.46 | Sembiance | Tarelerulz: Is that a joke? the listen in one ear to music, the other a phone call? :) |
| 18:59.51 | DJTachyon | anybody found a decent car cradle/charger yet? |
| 19:00.13 | Disconnect | DJTachyon: blackberry chargers work great. cheap chargers, not so much (at least with the splitters) cuz they upset the music app. a LOT. |
| 19:00.16 | brocktice | how about finger-based graffiti support? |
| 19:00.17 | jsharkey | Tarelerulz: thats an awesome idea =D |
| 19:00.53 | brocktice | who needs an on-screen keyboard? |
| 19:01.03 | RyeBrye | Sembiance: the other use case woudl be if I'm in a store and my wife needs to get ahold of me - if there were a special PIN that she could type in (like a 911 mode) where it would turn the phone all the way up and start shaking like a crazy bitch that would be helpful too... For the most part - it's good to have phones silenced - but in the rare case of actual drop-dead emergencies it woudl be nice for that kind of feature |
| 19:01.22 | DJTachyon | blackberry chargers are the right current rating? |
| 19:01.33 | DJTachyon | and they provide a jack for the headset? |
| 19:01.38 | brocktice | RyeBrye, ever use callfilter on palm? |
| 19:01.46 | RyeBrye | brocktice: no, I haven't |
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| 19:02.04 | Tarelerulz | I was not being funny. just thought it might be an interesting feature . To toy with something not seen in any other phone. It is wacky ,but they should do somethign that is really different |
| 19:02.24 | brocktice | RyeBrye, total whitelist/blacklist/custom alert control by time, caller, day of week, etc. |
| 19:02.50 | brocktice | Locale does something similar but it's not as sophisticated an it has all of the location overhead |
| 19:03.33 | RyeBrye | I can't wait for Sony Ericcson to put out an android phone - if they make their proprietary apps as good as they made the ones for their symbian phones, it will be a sweet phone |
| 19:04.07 | RyeBrye | Their dialer was like a personal secretary... you miss a call and it prompts you "would you like to schedule a time to call them back?" and stuff like that - and it did it in a way that wasn't at all annoying |
| 19:04.17 | brocktice | Oh wow |
| 19:04.37 | Tarelerulz | sony and google might be good paring . They are both about innovation . They did a lof of first ,but stuff that did not catch on . |
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| 19:05.09 | brocktice | Tarelerulz, Maybe because all of their computers with the 'first features' had really buggy windows drivers? |
| 19:06.06 | Disconnect | please, please, someone @google.com .. take xaviar aside and tell him to stfu. or just ban him from the lists. or SOMETHING.. |
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| 19:06.22 | jbq | Disconnect: +1 |
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| 19:08.07 | Tarelerulz | brocktice, I just see a lot google could really do . It been as open as it is I could see a lot of cool things . I would love to see a media center action. That to be would be kill app |
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| 19:08.39 | brocktice | Tarelerulz, Sure, I was more referring to Sony. |
| 19:09.51 | Tarelerulz | brocktice, what you think of songs and google coming out with a phone ? I like both of them . |
| 19:10.25 | brocktice | shrugs |
| 19:10.34 | brocktice | I've never had a sony phone |
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| 19:12.18 | Tarelerulz | brocktice , never had sony phone. I just want something the ipod and iphone could never be for linux haha. I want something I can use with my linux box . the fact it dont' need software to transfer songs and movies |
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| 19:18.06 | marix | tarelerulz, sony will be too busy introducing some new proprietary media to make a decent android phone. |
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| 19:20.31 | michaelnovakjr_ | i don't trust sony |
| 19:21.00 | blau-MikeDG | ugh |
| 19:21.14 | blau-MikeDG | i wrote in my release notes that you should disable notifications in the messgaing app |
| 19:21.18 | blau-MikeDG | and everyone ignored it |
| 19:24.42 | Damm | blau-MikeDG, you expect people to read? |
| 19:25.48 | blau-MikeDG | noone likes my latest release |
| 19:25.49 | blau-MikeDG | bah |
| 19:26.14 | Tarelerulz | If you could say record video on the g1 could a g3 network support video phone calls ? |
| 19:27.13 | Disconnect | it does in europe |
| 19:28.20 | Tarelerulz | Discnnect , what phone does video phone calls? if you know |
| 19:28.45 | Disconnect | e90 for one |
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| 19:33.27 | DJTachyon | there is this better everybody: http://www.djtachyon.com/android/AndroidDJ4.jpg |
| 19:33.28 | DJTachyon | :P |
| 19:33.43 | DJTachyon | oops .. didnt notice the capture thing |
| 19:34.19 | jsharkey | =O tahoma! |
| 19:34.33 | DJTachyon | o_O |
| 19:34.45 | jsharkey | you windows user :P |
| 19:34.51 | DJTachyon | shhh! |
| 19:34.55 | DJTachyon | im using gimp! |
| 19:34.56 | DJTachyon | :P |
| 19:35.09 | jsharkey | okay, your forgiven :) |
| 19:35.25 | jsharkey | its a bummer the slider drawable doesnt strech |
| 19:35.33 | blau-MikeDG | omg my next app is groundbreaking! |
| 19:35.37 | DJTachyon | yeah .. at least it is functional |
| 19:35.42 | jsharkey | i would leave the draggable bars their default height, but those bigger buttons are good |
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| 19:35.57 | jsharkey | might consider overriding the touch behavior of the progress bar |
| 19:36.10 | jsharkey | so that it doesnt "jump" to a location, but behaves like those buttons |
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| 19:36.26 | DJTachyon | why? i need them to be able to jump |
| 19:36.34 | jsharkey | oh hmm |
| 19:36.38 | DJTachyon | its like moving a vinyl needle ;) |
| 19:36.59 | jsharkey | DJTachyon: do you have a device? |
| 19:37.03 | DJTachyon | just like the bump fw/bw is pushing the vinyl a little forward or backwards .. |
| 19:37.08 | DJTachyon | yeah I have an RC30 G1 |
| 19:37.11 | jsharkey | ah cool |
| 19:37.20 | Tarelerulz | DJTachyon, that is an interesting idea . that is the kind of stuff I would like to download when I get g1 |
| 19:37.27 | DJTachyon | =/ .. had an RC18, |
| 19:37.35 | DJTachyon | :) |
| 19:37.40 | jsharkey | to get more accurate finger control, might consider putting things in landscape mode? |
| 19:38.01 | DJTachyon | force it? or give it the option? |
| 19:38.05 | jsharkey | hmm idk |
| 19:38.21 | jsharkey | portrait seems a bit thin for seek control |
| 19:38.29 | jsharkey | has never been a dj before |
| 19:38.30 | DJTachyon | yeah ... hmm |
| 19:38.33 | DJTachyon | :P |
| 19:38.37 | jsharkey | wheres the xfader? :P |
| 19:40.09 | DJTachyon | this is solely made to replace a turntable |
| 19:40.09 | jsharkey | oh ic |
| 19:40.09 | DJTachyon | the java audio API doesnt support mixing, speed, or anything yet |
| 19:40.09 | DJTachyon | so first step ;) |
| 19:41.31 | blau-MikeDG | dj: why not multiple levels of seek control |
| 19:41.59 | blau-MikeDG | 3 levels! a past on top then a middle one which is "now" and then future on the bottom |
| 19:42.17 | blau-MikeDG | now could be seeking over a short interval, maybe like 20 seconds, so its easier to jump a small amount |
| 19:42.48 | DJTachyon | hmm .. or just radio switches to change the sensativity |
| 19:42.56 | blau-MikeDG | so youd have 3 seek bars stacked |
| 19:43.03 | blau-MikeDG | i think a radio button is a bad idea |
| 19:43.22 | Disconnect | wow. woot checker keeps getting worse and worse. now is locked up my phone. |
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| 19:43.56 | Disconnect | ahhaa and as usual the app killer is gonna kill everything else. details in market? sure. |
| 19:43.57 | JesusFreke | there's an android woot checker app? |
| 19:44.03 | JesusFreke | or are you using a browser one? |
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| 19:44.36 | Disconnect | and when i go to ap.com (from their package name) its some unrelated company. |
| 19:44.41 | BlindOracle | ...././.-../.-../--- |
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| 19:44.51 | Disconnect | sure would be nice if teh goog took a TINY bit of oversight into their marketplace... |
| 19:45.28 | hubar | question, how do I choose a digit (0-9) when I am listening to my voice mail? |
| 19:46.49 | Disconnect | use the keyboard |
| 19:47.43 | JesusFreke | disconnect: www.thecrayonbox.org |
| 19:47.48 | hubar | hmm, How do I get the phone onto speaker? |
| 19:47.50 | Disconnect | yah see that |
| 19:47.56 | hubar | I mean the louder voice. |
| 19:48.07 | BlindOracle | hubar: the g1 has speaker phone feature? |
| 19:48.44 | hubar | BlindOracle: How do I switch them? |
| 19:48.57 | JesusFreke | rofl. "I am a blind deaf mute with no arms and an inability to Google Search – Whats Woot?" |
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| 19:52.29 | marix | jesusfreke, i'd like to donate to your cause. |
| 19:53.02 | Damm | what isn't JF's cause? |
| 19:53.16 | Damm | he reminds me of the old Winmo 5 hackers ... who have moved on |
| 19:53.16 | marix | i guess a guy with no legs... |
| 19:53.35 | Damm | but can JF hack the legs on? |
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| 20:03.00 | fadden | BlindOracle: what's with the morse code? |
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| 20:05.34 | DJTachyon | hmmm .. gain control may be good too |
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| 20:06.05 | Nafai | hubar: You want to know how to turn on the speaker phone? |
| 20:06.55 | hubar | Nafai: I figued that out already. :) Thanks |
| 20:06.57 | Nafai | hubar: While in a call, hit menu and then hit speaker. 3rd button from the right on the bottom row |
| 20:07.00 | Nafai | Oh :) |
| 20:08.38 | hubar | hmm, I am trying to figure out how to send SMS from gmail interface... |
| 20:10.00 | blau-MikeDG | number@tmomail.net? |
| 20:10.05 | blau-MikeDG | or something else? |
| 20:10.13 | Damm | number@tmomail.net |
| 20:10.22 | Damm | it's either SMS or MMS depending on the size |
| 20:11.00 | Nafai | hubar: Are you talking about the new feature that was added to the gmail web interface? |
| 20:11.12 | hubar | Nafai: Yes |
| 20:11.22 | hubar | It was just added today. |
| 20:11.43 | hubar | You need to turn it on though |
| 20:11.53 | hubar | from lab |
| 20:12.11 | DJTachyon | Okay .. how about this guys: http://www.djtachyon.com/android/AndroidDJ5.jpg |
| 20:13.17 | DJTachyon | i still dont know why the 9-patch background is forcing such a big pad at the bottom of the sub-layouts .. but it doesnt look too bad |
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| 20:17.55 | squeakypants | hey |
| 20:18.00 | DJTachyon | o/ |
| 20:18.21 | squeakypants | i'm using a lib that requires java.awt.Dimension... is there a workaround for this? |
| 20:18.33 | squeakypants | is awt open source by any chance? :P |
| 20:18.59 | JesusFreke | I believe nearly all of the java framework is open source |
| 20:19.31 | squeakypants | hmm |
| 20:19.54 | squeakypants | what is it in the java sdk? |
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| 20:20.14 | JesusFreke | I don't recall offhand |
| 20:20.23 | mmarker | you can also look at gnu classpath |
| 20:20.26 | squeakypants | hmm |
| 20:20.29 | squeakypants | mmarker: eh? |
| 20:20.38 | JesusFreke | http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/ |
| 20:20.51 | snappy | I want to extend the tutorial note application to be able to share notes (like you can do with images taken by a camera or in the photo viewer). Would I do this by using an intent? |
| 20:20.54 | mmarker | google "gnu classpath" be warned, though, down that path leads madness |
| 20:21.03 | squeakypants | jesusfreke: ooh thanks |
| 20:21.05 | JesusFreke | not sure if that's it. just the first link I found :p |
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| 20:21.24 | squeakypants | mmarker: mmk :P if jesusfreke's link doesn't work i'll try that |
| 20:21.25 | squeakypants | thanks |
| 20:21.57 | mmarker | you may want it anyway. The madness will occur no matter which way you go. |
| 20:22.16 | squeakypants | hate...java... |
| 20:22.40 | mmarker | I've been trying to get 3rd party J2SE code working with android. It isn't easy. |
| 20:23.09 | jbq | Ah, the joy of disk images under MacOS. Mine just corrupted itself beyond repair. That's gonna take a few hours to put back together. |
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| 20:24.47 | squeakypants | oooh |
| 20:24.51 | squeakypants | it's in rt.jar! |
| 20:24.52 | squeakypants | :) |
| 20:25.49 | squeakypants | it worked!!! |
| 20:26.12 | mmarker | Just wait. compile does not mean work. |
| 20:28.06 | fadden | Compiling against rt.jar does not help much if you're running code on the device. |
| 20:28.52 | blau-MikeDG | dgBlue Battery! |
| 20:29.20 | DJTachyon | anybody know how to implement OrientationListener |
| 20:29.21 | DJTachyon | ? |
| 20:29.39 | brocktice | blau-MikeDG, Whatsit do? |
| 20:30.25 | brocktice | Also, how much speed do you use that you churn out apps this fast? |
| 20:32.04 | DJTachyon | heheh .. All values are in micro-Tesla (uT) and measure the ambient magnetic field in the X, Y and -Z axis. |
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| 20:32.31 | squeakypants | heh this is getting complicated :P |
| 20:33.02 | blau-MikeDG | brock: enables/disables bluetooth based on call status |
| 20:33.05 | brocktice | I've not had much luck with the compass |
| 20:33.10 | brocktice | It likes to stick |
| 20:33.17 | brocktice | Probably I have too many electronics in my house. |
| 20:33.19 | blau-MikeDG | when you dial it turns on, and turns off when you hang up, when the phone starts ringing it turns on too |
| 20:33.20 | squeakypants | i'm trying to combine Camera with PushBufferStream (jmf) |
| 20:33.30 | brocktice | blau-MikeDG, *nice* |
| 20:33.31 | DJTachyon | yeah .. is there a listener for just sliding out the screen? |
| 20:33.40 | brocktice | Why does the device not do that already? |
| 20:33.43 | brocktice | (optionally) |
| 20:33.59 | brocktice | Is it fast enough for a headset? |
| 20:34.13 | blau-MikeDG | for my garmin it is |
| 20:34.24 | brocktice | garmin makes headsets? |
| 20:34.30 | blau-MikeDG | my gps has bluetooth |
| 20:34.40 | blau-MikeDG | ill try my headset later and see how it goes |
| 20:34.54 | blau-MikeDG | i gotta roll |
| 20:34.57 | DJTachyon | ugh i either want to assign seperate views on the state of the orientation or make a listener to change a layout property on an orientation chagne .. it cant be that hard |
| 20:34.57 | blau-MikeDG | ttyl |
| 20:35.06 | blau-MikeDG | brock: mail me if you want a beta of it , vinblau@gmail.com |
| 20:35.15 | brocktice | blau-MikeDG, k thanks |
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| 20:40.47 | DJTachyon | so who wants to make me happy and help me get started on this code? :P |
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| 20:46.24 | jasta | DJTachyon: no one, apparently :) |
| 20:46.28 | DJTachyon | indeed |
| 20:46.31 | Disconnect | DJTachyon: super.OnCreate(bundle); |
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| 20:46.37 | DJTachyon | :P |
| 20:46.51 | DJTachyon | ill give you a bundle |
| 20:46.54 | Disconnect | thats bsd licensed tho, so you need to put me in the copyrights file and in the 'about' banner |
| 20:47.09 | DJTachyon | and a splash screen? |
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| 20:47.13 | Disconnect | if it has one |
| 20:47.16 | DJTachyon | :P |
| 20:47.47 | DJTachyon | i just need an orientation listener or somehow to change xml layout based on the slider orientation |
| 20:48.22 | DJTachyon | its been 3 years since i coded Object Oriented .. |
| 20:48.41 | DJTachyon | and i need to get a few hours experiance until it comes back to me |
| 20:48.50 | jasta | the slider orientation? |
| 20:48.56 | jasta | you mean the keyboard? |
| 20:49.04 | DJTachyon | yeah like a listener for landscape/portrait |
| 20:49.30 | jasta | you dont need a listener to know when android changes your orientation. its default behaviour will be to destroy and recreate. |
| 20:49.51 | DJTachyon | but i need to change a layouts orientation property |
| 20:49.53 | Disconnect | so in oncreate, just run my code and then check orientation before you pick a view |
| 20:50.04 | DJTachyon | http://www.djtachyon.com/android/AndroidDJ5.jpg |
| 20:50.05 | jasta | Disconnect: no, that happens automatically for you |
| 20:50.38 | jasta | DJTachyon: what you want, i think, is to use res/layout-land/ and res/layout-port/ |
| 20:50.47 | jasta | putting your layout files there will cause android to automagically adjust them |
| 20:51.03 | DJTachyon | so i have to copy-paste the xml? |
| 20:51.27 | Disconnect | if the xml doesn't change then it'll be magic and you can ignore the orientation |
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| 20:52.02 | DJTachyon | it does change .. i need to move the media windows to the right of the control windows instead of below |
| 20:52.13 | DJTachyon | switching the parent linearlayout from vertical to horizontal |
| 20:52.37 | DJTachyon | like my screenshot shows |
| 20:53.09 | Disconnect | then thats 2 xml files |
| 20:53.15 | DJTachyon | i figured |
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| 20:53.51 | DJTachyon | [15:50:47] <jasta> DJTachyon: what you want, i think, is to use res/layout-land/ and res/layout-port/ |
| 20:53.55 | DJTachyon | that was the missing info :P |
| 20:56.08 | DJTachyon | waste of space imo ... |
| 20:56.42 | DJTachyon | interesting .. that works perfect |
| 20:56.44 | DJTachyon | thanks |
| 20:58.43 | DJTachyon | next is to copy all the media player stuff over .. |
| 21:04.14 | BlindOracle | is the prebuilt compiler preferred over the Sourcery_G++_Lite compiler? Either have preference? |
| 21:04.21 | BlindOracle | prebuilt = prebuilt/linux-x86/toolchain/arm-eabi-4.2.1 |
| 21:04.43 | BlindOracle | The only difference I see is the Sourcery compiler is 4.3.2 |
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| 21:06.06 | jasta | BlindOracle: you can download the source for that toolchain and build it yourself as well |
| 21:06.30 | jasta | not sure if thats relevant to you or not |
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| 21:09.25 | BlindOracle | jasta: thanks. I was just curious if one compiler was officially preferred over the other, and if so, why. |
| 21:09.50 | Disconnect | compilers aren't officially supported, remember? |
| 21:10.11 | BlindOracle | err...was supposed to read "unofficially" |
| 21:10.32 | BlindOracle | on phone - split attention |
| 21:10.37 | jasta | BlindOracle: i truthfully don't know. i'm sure they would prefer that you use the toolchain they provide to ensure compatibility. otherwise, i doubt they car.e |
| 21:12.39 | fadden | You can use any compiler you like. If it doesn't work, you get to keep the broken pieces. |
| 21:12.53 | Disconnect | ..you're gonna keep the working pieces? thats not very nice. :( |
| 21:13.20 | BlindOracle | fadden: lol...wow...very gracious of you. |
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| 21:16.07 | jbq | Our facilities are already working at capacity with internal production equipped to recycle broken object files coming from the outside. |
| 21:16.20 | jbq | uh, that didn't make sense |
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| 21:16.37 | fadden | Write it in French, then run it through babelfish. |
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| 21:17.15 | jasta | speaking of, how do you make an accented e on Android? |
| 21:17.43 | jbq | either alt-e e (for acute), or long-press e (and pick the one you want) |
| 21:18.15 | DJTachyon | ugh i think i have to drive into manhatten tonight |
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| 21:21.29 | jsharkey | yay back from lunch |
| 21:21.47 | tomgibara | It's just taken me over an hour to perform the simplest possible rebasing in git. |
| 21:21.50 | tomgibara | I really need to learn more about git. |
| 21:21.59 | jbq | jsharkey: glad to hear that you survived lunch :) |
| 21:22.04 | tomgibara | Where is it documented that the origin for repo is "korg"? |
| 21:22.35 | jbq | tomgibara: it's in the manifest. |
| 21:23.15 | tomgibara | The file you initially point repo to? does that get copied locally? |
| 21:23.25 | jbq | yes, check .repo/manifest.xm |
| 21:23.27 | jbq | xml |
| 21:23.37 | jsharkey | jbq: did i see you around the office somewhere? i was poking around and found my desk :) |
| 21:23.53 | DJTachyon | there now i can show off my non-functional android app :P |
| 21:23.56 | DJTachyon | it's on my phone |
| 21:24.07 | jbq | I haven't quite left my desk today, busy busy busy. |
| 21:24.10 | DJTachyon | but you can drag sliders around and stuff :P |
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| 21:24.56 | tomgibara | jbq: thanks, I'd say that needs documenting, but no-one else seems to be having any problems? :) |
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| 21:25.16 | jbq | actually, repo is pretty well documented. |
| 21:25.18 | kex_ | where are the images in the wallpaper gallery stored, and can the set of them be changed? |
| 21:25.49 | jbq | tomgibara: you can start here: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=tools/repo.git;a=blob;f=docs/manifest-format.txt;h=562e66e2fe8d73d3cd310d6ae1e0aa2e94517035;hb=HEAD |
| 21:25.59 | tomgibara | jbq: Yes, even with my meagre knowledge of git, I've bumbled along okay. |
| 21:26.02 | brocktice | kex_, it's in the Launcher code |
| 21:26.49 | jbq | (and asking repo-discuss usually yields answers quickly - Shawn knows what he's talking about) |
| 21:26.49 | kex_ | ack, so no luck changing it if you're stuck on official rc30? |
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| 21:27.20 | brocktice | kex_, yeah until the new root exploit comes out :) |
| 21:27.20 | kex_ | =) |
| 21:27.20 | brocktice | or rather, the reversion exploit |
| 21:27.28 | kex_ | ok, thanks =) |
| 21:27.39 | brocktice | Looks like the files are in the drawable area |
| 21:28.10 | brocktice | ah yes here they are |
| 21:28.10 | brocktice | jpegs |
| 21:28.10 | brocktice | packages/apps/Launcher/res/drawable |
| 21:28.24 | brocktice | Who's dale chihuly? |
| 21:28.47 | brocktice | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.31 | DJTachyon | i learnded a lots todays |
| 21:29.57 | Tarelerulz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.04 | DJTachyon | 9-patches, layout-port/land .. |
| 21:30.20 | DJTachyon | the idea? It is a DJ application.. I mix music .. |
| 21:30.30 | DJTachyon | :P |
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| 21:30.56 | DJTachyon | unfortunately, with the current version of Android, it won't work ;) |
| 21:31.10 | ivantis | my G1 shipping news: UPS has it, scheduled to arrive tomorrow |
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| 21:31.15 | ivantis | its in a city 2.5 hours away from me |
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| 21:31.24 | ivantis | they couldnt deliver it today? |
| 21:31.31 | brocktice | ivantis, I hate it when that happens |
| 21:31.44 | squeakypants | ummmm |
| 21:31.47 | brocktice | Considering that they can't be bothered to ring my doorbell, I can't say I'm surprised |
| 21:31.49 | ivantis | i got my new phone number |
| 21:31.53 | squeakypants | okay, this has been happening quite often |
| 21:32.01 | brocktice | hm? |
| 21:32.08 | squeakypants | i'll try to compile, it'll freeze for awhile |
| 21:32.11 | squeakypants | then i'll get this error: |
| 21:32.16 | vol | patns too squeaky |
| 21:32.21 | vol | *pants |
| 21:32.29 | squeakypants | http://dpaste.com/98272/ |
| 21:32.47 | DJTachyon | alrighty guys .. im out for the night .. have a good one |
| 21:32.52 | brocktice | later |
| 21:32.58 | tethridge | I saw the video of android on a htc touch phone. Is that the latest code from HEAD that has the new onscreen keyboard code? |
| 21:33.06 | vol | well, that's interesting. |
| 21:33.20 | vol | squeakypants: redownload the sdk? |
| 21:33.22 | ido-- | still nothing to do with RC30 stock ? |
| 21:33.25 | brocktice | tethridge, I think they added that for that project |
| 21:33.33 | squeakypants | vol: hmm |
| 21:33.42 | squeakypants | also the eclipse plugin? |
| 21:34.06 | vol | I don't know |
| 21:34.33 | ivantis | great, my new phone number spells "7-A-PENIS" |
| 21:35.01 | vol | ahahaha |
| 21:35.02 | vol | what |
| 21:35.14 | brocktice | ivantis, hahahaha |
| 21:35.26 | squeakypants | hehehe |
| 21:35.31 | brocktice | could have been shorter, so be thankful |
| 21:35.39 | vol | could have been 4-a-penis |
| 21:35.43 | ivantis | http://www.phonespell.org/combo.cgi?n=YOUR-NUMBER |
| 21:35.46 | ivantis | dude |
| 21:35.49 | ivantis | that would suck |
| 21:37.19 | Disconnect | friend had "DAS-OK-HO" |
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| 21:37.38 | ivantis | or 727-DOGS for mine |
| 21:37.45 | vol | heh |
| 21:37.51 | vol | my work number is a-jawa-08 |
| 21:37.51 | Disconnect | ok how do i manually recreate odex? |
| 21:38.42 | Disconnect | has no browser :( |
| 21:39.43 | ivantis | i wish my last ones were 4826, ***-IVAN |
| 21:39.50 | ivantis | or IVA-NTIS |
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| 21:40.15 | ivantis | 482-6847 |
| 21:40.23 | ido-- | mine spells gild satan |
| 21:40.57 | ido-- | or I-Ike-satan |
| 21:41.15 | squeakypants | umm wtf |
| 21:41.29 | squeakypants | i think maybe it's my eclipse |
| 21:41.40 | squeakypants | i tried updating the plugin and it froze and out of memory'd again |
| 21:41.48 | vol | yeah |
| 21:41.50 | JesusFreke | Disconnect: with dexopt |
| 21:41.52 | vol | try removing the plugin |
| 21:41.57 | vol | also, what version of eclipse are you using |
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| 21:43.37 | squeakypants | is there a way to find out w/o opening it? :P |
| 21:43.37 | squeakypants | aha |
| 21:43.37 | squeakypants | 3.4.0 |
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| 21:43.43 | fadden | Disconnect, JesusFreke: do not run dexopt by hand |
| 21:45.10 | JesusFreke | really? |
| 21:45.10 | Disconnect | yah it was a perms issue. if a system app is missing odex dalvik can't generate it by hand (perms on /data/dalvik-cache) |
| 21:45.10 | fadden | It should be invoked by the package manager when the system starts. |
| 21:45.10 | fadden | On production builds, the "odex" files live next to the "apk" files, rather than having stuff generated into /data/dalvik-cache. |
| 21:45.10 | Disconnect | identical files? |
| 21:45.10 | fadden | The "apk" files don't have a classes.dex, which means there's no way to generate anything. |
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| 21:45.18 | ivantis | t-mobile ships from texas? |
| 21:45.24 | ivantis | maybe thats closest to me |
| 21:46.03 | ivantis | its possible i would get pre-rc30? |
| 21:46.18 | fadden | In theory, anything missing (or that has a stale) optimized DEX will have it regenerated when the system boots and the package manager scans everything. |
| 21:46.40 | fadden | So if you replaced a "system app", you'd need to replace the APK with something that has a classes.dex and remove the odex that was sitting next to it. |
| 21:46.49 | fadden | (requires root, remounted /system partition, etc) |
| 21:46.51 | Disconnect | yah |
| 21:47.08 | ionstorm | Does the G1 work with bluetooth stereo earbuds? |
| 21:47.08 | Disconnect | not sure what was broken but its happy enough now. had to chmod /data/dalvik-cache :/ |
| 21:47.24 | fadden | Engineering builds don't have ".odex" files -- we just dexopt everything into /data/dalvik-cache on first boot. Takes a while, and soaks up about 20MB of /data. |
| 21:47.32 | ivantis | i mean, they cant have sold all of the pre-rc30s already, or just thrown them all away |
| 21:47.38 | ionstorm | i heard the bluetooth sucks |
| 21:47.39 | ionstorm | wanna get someone a gift |
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| 21:48.44 | squeakypants | check out my emu's wallpaper :) http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k142/squeakyp/g1wallpaper.jpg |
| 21:49.11 | ivantis | it would be cool if you could move the phone, literally, and then it would move the desktop thing |
| 21:50.02 | sparkle | that would be really annoying :p |
| 21:50.02 | ivantis | if you had it on a certain mode |
| 21:50.02 | squeakypants | yeah but it'd be a cool gimmick for the first time |
| 21:50.02 | squeakypants | like compass mode ;) |
| 21:50.02 | fadden | ivantis: you could also tilt it left and right and have the screen slide |
| 21:50.08 | ivantis | or like if it had panorama mode |
| 21:50.13 | jsharkey | ivantis: rumor has it that is somehwere in the code, just turned off right now |
| 21:50.16 | ivantis | that would be awesome |
| 21:50.18 | jsharkey | shaking to change desktops |
| 21:50.36 | ivantis | what is that game on it, where you roll a marble around? |
| 21:50.46 | squeakypants | there's many |
| 21:50.47 | ivantis | using something like that to display panorama pictures |
| 21:50.48 | squeakypants | marble madness? |
| 21:50.52 | zhobbs | ivantis: amazed |
| 21:50.59 | squeakypants | oh is there one for android? |
| 21:51.11 | ivantis | ya |
| 21:51.30 | ivantis | marble madness is a fun game tho |
| 21:51.30 | ivantis | never actually gotten past level 3 |
| 21:51.35 | squeakypants | cool |
| 21:51.38 | ivantis | without cheating |
| 21:52.03 | squeakypants | i'm gonna get a g1 in a couple weeks |
| 21:52.03 | ivantis | infinite time |
| 21:52.03 | squeakypants | unless there's a better option? :P |
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| 21:52.10 | ivantis | mine is in the mail! i better get it tomorrow like UPS says |
| 21:52.30 | squeakypants | cool |
| 21:52.34 | squeakypants | heh... i feel like i'm gonna regret getting one |
| 21:52.35 | squeakypants | idk google's always so awesome, but android feels so incomplete |
| 21:53.12 | squeakypants | and the fact that you can't compile to it using anything but java (and java apps don't work on it natively either) |
| 21:53.44 | ivantis | yeah |
| 21:54.03 | ivantis | why no C++? |
| 21:54.05 | bgupta_ | Thinks that now that Googlw Labs has a "Tasks" We need some network aware ToDo list apps for andoid. |
| 21:54.05 | squeakypants | i'm wondering though |
| 21:54.10 | bgupta_ | lot's of typos in that last sentence |
| 21:54.14 | squeakypants | they made a java bytecode -> dalvik bytecode compiler |
| 21:54.22 | squeakypants | could they make like |
| 21:54.23 | marix | squeakypants, like all things google... its in beta :) |
| 21:54.29 | squeakypants | MIPS -> dalvik bytecode? |
| 21:54.40 | anno^da_ | Someone from Google here? Is there really now Broadcast sent for an incoming call? |
| 21:55.05 | squeakypants | it'd be awesome if we could compile libs to dalvik, then code the i/o in java |
| 21:55.16 | blount | it'd be fast, too! |
| 21:56.15 | squeakypants | yeah |
| 21:56.16 | vol | that sounds like a very odd tool. |
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| 21:56.22 | squeakypants | vol: why? |
| 21:56.30 | squeakypants | c++ -> MIPS -> dalvik |
| 21:56.40 | squeakypants | or really |
| 21:56.46 | squeakypants | anything -> MIPS -> dalvik |
| 21:56.58 | blount | thow in pascal somewhere too and you've got a plan |
| 21:57.00 | vol | make me a c++ -> java converter. |
| 21:57.11 | squeakypants | vol: there's a couple out there already |
| 21:57.16 | squeakypants | but they don't convert to bytecode |
| 21:57.19 | vol | yes, but I mean right now. |
| 21:57.22 | squeakypants | they convert to source code |
| 21:57.49 | squeakypants | so you can't use em as libraries or anything |
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| 21:58.24 | squeakypants | and it's really complicated to get it working (slowly) and i'd be near impossible to get working on android |
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| 21:59.25 | blount | squeakypants: get a dev fone. then you can write and run all the native code you want |
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| 21:59.41 | squeakypants | blount: that doesn't help me when releasing apps |
| 22:00.01 | blount | yup |
| 22:00.04 | squeakypants | the only way to write native code for android is to get it into the repo |
| 22:00.24 | tomgibara | Is there anyway to get a RandomAccessFile over an asset? |
| 22:00.26 | squeakypants | which won't happen unless it's a necessary OS function |
| 22:00.33 | squeakypants | so something like VLC won't get in :P |
| 22:00.34 | tomgibara | I feel it should be possible, but the framework API doesn't seem allow it. |
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| 22:01.33 | squeakypants | so yeah... i know it'll never work, but i'm gettin close to finishing a video recorder :P |
| 22:02.25 | Damm | blurry videos |
| 22:02.27 | Damm | rock on |
| 22:02.31 | mikey| | meh |
| 22:02.38 | mikey| | java regex fails |
| 22:02.53 | ivantis | man this is so cool! |
| 22:02.59 | ivantis | im using maps on the emulator |
| 22:03.06 | vol | heh |
| 22:03.06 | ivantis | my city is street-viewed |
| 22:03.11 | vol | java regex is a little "funny" |
| 22:03.18 | vol | which is to say the docs are wrong : ( |
| 22:03.21 | ivantis | i cant wait until tomorrow after school |
| 22:03.33 | ivantis | my G1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 22:05.25 | squeakypants | ivantis: have fun :) |
| 22:06.16 | ivantis | anyone else here street-viewed? |
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| 22:12.12 | vol | yes |
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| 22:17.59 | ddock | Has anyone gotten framebuffer X11 to run on G1 yet? Or used the fb at all? |
| 22:18.22 | uncleD | does anybody know easier way to debug JNI code in eclipse? |
| 22:18.59 | jasta | ddock: android uses the framebuffer |
| 22:19.25 | jasta | uncleD: you should talk to vol, i know that he has done a lot of work debugging JNI code (though not in eclipse AFAIK) |
| 22:20.00 | ddock | can't you kill android? |
| 22:20.12 | jasta | ddock: pardon? |
| 22:20.33 | ddock | stop the android graphical environment and run barebone *nix with framebuffer X11? |
| 22:20.59 | jasta | uhh, no, i believe we are a long ways away from such a thing |
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| 22:21.53 | ddock | why? I was running Debian, with full X11 binaries. There doesn't seem to be anything exotic about the framebuffer device, is there? |
| 22:22.40 | jasta | no. |
| 22:22.52 | jasta | i wrote a VNC server for it a while back hehe |
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| 22:23.29 | ddock | cool. I'd love to use that, did you make it public? |
| 22:23.58 | anno^da_ | Is there a possibility to keep a service alive all the time. The service is doing nothing except waiting for incoming calls with a listener. I know that I should use a BroadcastReceiver for such cases. Bu there is no Brodcast sent for that Action. |
| 22:24.16 | vol | anno^da_: yes, absolutely |
| 22:24.23 | anno^da_ | So I have to rely on my service. |
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| 22:24.44 | anno^da_ | vol: What is the right way to do that. I have fired up my service from the UI with startService(..) |
| 22:24.56 | vol | anno^da_: yes. Then just disconnect. |
| 22:25.00 | vol | There is a flag, I forget which |
| 22:25.08 | vol | which allows services to run even if there is nothing bound to them |
| 22:25.40 | anno^da_ | Ok I'm searching for that now. |
| 22:25.53 | anno^da_ | Is the flag set in the startService method? |
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| 22:26.21 | ddock | jasta: so why do you think fb X11 is so far off? |
| 22:26.54 | jasta | ddock: as a usable phone platform? |
| 22:26.56 | uncleD | may be this could help...http://www.kineteksystems.com/white-papers/mixedjavaandc.html |
| 22:27.13 | ddock | no, as a toy. :) I didn't say it might be practical... |
| 22:27.30 | ddock | Although VLC or framebuffer mplayer would be very useful at this point. |
| 22:27.36 | ivantis | oh man oh man oh man |
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| 22:27.49 | ivantis | maybe i should skip school tomorrow just to get my phone |
| 22:27.52 | ivantis | right when it comes |
| 22:28.02 | ddock | Although as a usable phone platform, the old Companion project did a ton of work for the ipaq way back when. |
| 22:30.32 | ddock | forgets if the project was called companion....Familiar and Intimate rather, at handhelds.org. I made good use of GPE and Opie over years. |
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| 22:32.37 | BlindOracle | if you curious, if appears the Sourcery compiler is more complete than the prebuilt compiler. For example, iosfwd is missing from the prebuilt |
| 22:32.56 | ivantis | what happens if i call my phone before i have gotten it? |
| 22:33.10 | BlindOracle | ivantis: time paradox? |
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| 22:33.23 | ivantis | i got an email with the new number |
| 22:33.34 | jasta | ivantis: who cares? |
| 22:33.36 | ivantis | i just called and it said leave a message |
| 22:33.53 | ivantis | maybe i will and listen to it when i get my phone |
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| 22:38.33 | ddock | why don't you post your new number so we can ALL leave messages ;) |
| 22:39.19 | cmang | Howdy. Dumb question... I just got the SDK and I'm in OSX. Do I need to use Eclipse IDe for Java EE Developers, or Eclipse IDE for Java Developers? (at http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/) |
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| 22:41.09 | ivantis | uh no |
| 22:41.13 | ivantis | why would i do that? |
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| 22:42.45 | vol | cmang: For Java Developers |
| 22:42.49 | vol | not the JEE version |
| 22:42.56 | vol | if in doubt, get eclipse "classic" |
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| 22:43.21 | cmang | vol: Thank you. |
| 22:44.34 | vol | you're welcome |
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| 22:57.10 | ivantis | should i? |
| 22:57.21 | ivantis | stay home from school tomorrow to sign for my G1? |
| 22:57.27 | ivantis | my dad might not be awake |
| 22:57.32 | ivantis | and that would suck |
| 22:58.01 | vol | :\ |
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| 22:58.29 | ivantis | but i think i have a quiz or test in geometry tomorrow |
| 22:59.03 | ivantis | what should i do? |
| 22:59.12 | vol | ivantis: go to school, pick it up from the UPS depot at 5 |
| 22:59.22 | ivantis | UPS depot? |
| 22:59.28 | SanMehat | vol: but what if he gets to the UPS depot and its still on the truck? that sucks |
| 22:59.29 | vol | when it's out for delivery and comes back |
| 22:59.35 | vol | yeah, that always sucks |
| 22:59.37 | SanMehat | you end up waiting around for hours |
| 23:00.18 | SanMehat | and then who knows... its friday.. if you miss it... you wont see it till monday |
| 23:00.32 | BlindOracle | any idea if the sourcery compiler supports the -mandroid compiler flag? |
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| 23:00.53 | vol | mandroid |
| 23:00.55 | vol | hot ;D |
| 23:01.03 | vol | (no idea) |
| 23:02.04 | ddock | fun - I got a remote xterm running on my G1. time to apt-get firefox... :) |
| 23:02.19 | BlindOracle | was reading some of the gcc mailing lists for ongoing android platform support |
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| 23:02.58 | BlindOracle | ddock: xterm client is running on g1? Displaying on desktop? |
| 23:03.16 | jasta | i bet thats SOOOO fast ;) |
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| 23:04.29 | ddock | yeah. I did the debian side-by-side, installed ssh, apt-get xterm, and ssh -X my.phone.ip |
| 23:04.58 | ivantis | phone from google or t-mobile? |
| 23:04.59 | ddock | gez, the debian puritans are still calling "firefox" as "iceweasel"? |
| 23:05.05 | ddock | t-mobile G1 phone. |
| 23:05.14 | ivantis | pre-rc30? |
| 23:05.24 | ddock | hacked rc-30 |
| 23:05.40 | ivantis | i need to be shown how to do this |
| 23:05.42 | BlindOracle | nice sshd is running on g1 |
| 23:05.49 | ivantis | i want X11 on my G1 |
| 23:06.20 | ivantis | whats this debian side-by-side? |
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| 23:06.35 | ddock | http://www.saurik.com/id/10 |
| 23:06.36 | sparkle | ivantis: you can almost kinda do it |
| 23:06.42 | sparkle | Xvnc runs |
| 23:06.49 | sparkle | and there's a semi-functional android vnc viewer |
| 23:06.52 | sparkle | you can just point it at localhost |
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| 23:07.10 | ddock | sparkle: neat idea! :) |
| 23:07.36 | kRutOn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.17 | vol | absolutely should not be. Can you pastebin an example? |
| 23:10.04 | ivantis | is there a way to run X11 on the G1 without that debian thing? |
| 23:10.23 | SanMehat | ivantis: so are you skippin your geo test tomorrow or what? inquiring minds want to know |
| 23:10.36 | ivantis | nah |
| 23:10.40 | ivantis | ill go to school |
| 23:10.58 | ivantis | then to UPS if it was unsigned at my house |
| 23:12.29 | zhobbs | geometry/trigonometry is sweet |
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| 23:13.04 | ddock | types "firefox" <enter> ... waiting.... :) |
| 23:13.34 | ivantis | there are a bunch of UPS stores in my city |
| 23:13.43 | bpadalino | why secant get the loan? because tangent wouldn't cosine! |
| 23:13.43 | ivantis | i need one that is "UPS depot"? |
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| 23:14.40 | ddock | wants to laugh, but is strangely reluctant... what a whacky tangent! |
| 23:14.56 | sparkle | ivantis: it depends on what you mean by "run X" |
| 23:15.11 | ivantis | like being able to run xterm |
| 23:15.11 | unix_lappy | think i might have a defective battery. |
| 23:15.42 | unix_lappy | i can go from 100 to 84 in less than half an hour with nothing but 3g on and checking mail once during that period. |
| 23:15.59 | sparkle | run xterm, or display xterm? |
| 23:16.14 | joakime | http://www.jcraft.com/wiredx/index.html has a 100% java X server impl that could probably be ported to android. |
| 23:16.19 | ddock | ahah! I have achieved a firefox windows remotely from my phone! |
| 23:16.34 | sparkle | joakime: you wouldn't want to do it that way |
| 23:16.34 | Versed | I heard, not sure its true that the htc charger isn't all that good and people have had better results using a blackberry charger. |
| 23:16.36 | ddock | hears the opening to 2001...bong bong bong |
| 23:16.39 | Versed | I thnk I might try it. |
| 23:16.42 | sparkle | due to the way that android apps can be restarted at the whim of the OS |
| 23:16.45 | ivantis | display xterm |
| 23:17.01 | sparkle | something that supports reconnect like vnc would probably be a lot more transparent |
| 23:17.03 | kRutOn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.21 | kRutOn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:18.27 | ddock | browses the web in Firefox on G1... not recommended for the impatient, but a great time.. :) |
| 23:21.02 | ddock | Does init spawn app_process? My firefox baby is memory hungry...must kill... |
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| 23:23.35 | ddock | quietly types 'apt-get remove iceweasel'... |
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| 23:31.21 | unix_lappy | Versed: yea i have a curve charger here, though it's rated at less than the G1 charger. |
| 23:31.46 | Versed | did you hear about that? |
| 23:32.09 | Versed | I have a bold, probably the same charger. |
| 23:32.28 | Versed | maybe it deep cycles (or whatever its called) better then the htc one? |
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| 23:42.51 | unix_lappy | Versed: no idea, dont think i should have to worry about that sort of stuff honestly. |
| 23:43.08 | Versed | yeah |
| 23:43.15 | Versed | but, gonna try it nevertheless. |
| 23:44.13 | Lieutenant | is this a good deal? |
| 23:44.14 | Lieutenant | http://pubmx.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=4399 |
| 23:45.39 | kRutOn | whee, put 256 color support into ConnectBot |
| 23:45.41 | kRutOn | http://the-b.org/~kenny/temp/cb-256-test.png |
| 23:45.52 | ivantis | what kind of moron is running UPS? |
| 23:45.57 | ivantis | they passed my city! |
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| 23:47.20 | ddock | nice work. connectbot is a great app. |
| 23:56.09 | KNY | ddock, make sure to donate if you like the app |
| 23:56.12 | KNY | I do, and did |
| 23:56.20 | ddock | I just did actually. :) |
| 23:56.31 | ddock | very worthy of it. |
| 23:56.51 | KNY | definitely |
| 23:59.06 | kRutOn | I'm not sure if anyone uses 256 color terminal, but it was fun. |
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| 23:59.34 | KNY | white-on-black for life |
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