| 00:00.32 | kRutOn | yeah, I'm going to add in a system color palette changer as well |
| 00:00.45 | ddock | I'm a green or amber man myself. But as long as I'm not staring into a 100 watt white background I'm good. :) |
| 00:00.46 | kRutOn | Because a lot of people have strong preferences |
| 00:01.05 | KNY | man, cmd.exe is the worst |
| 00:01.22 | KNY | I think that's my least-favorite part of Windows |
| 00:01.38 | ddock | heheh |
| 00:01.56 | KNY | yeah, laugh it up, chuckles |
| 00:02.10 | KNY | I'm too lazy to install cygwin on this machine |
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| 00:05.59 | ivantis | im using connect bot on the emu right now, awesome! |
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| 00:07.39 | ivantis | whats control? |
| 00:08.17 | Damm | escape is 2 taps on the trackball |
| 00:08.21 | Damm | control is 1 tap on the trackball |
| 00:08.22 | Damm | afaik |
| 00:08.26 | Damm | otherwise read the README |
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| 00:13.10 | savid | Hi, I'm wanting my app to be able to toggle certain phone settings. Where might I find some code examples that show how to do this? |
| 00:14.11 | Damm | savid, i'll tell you a secret... #android-dev is a channel where they talk about development... this is only general chitchat |
| 00:14.15 | Damm | don't pass it on |
| 00:14.19 | KNY | Damm, he cross-posted anyway |
| 00:14.26 | savid | Damm, gotcha, thx |
| 00:14.28 | Damm | KNY, ahh i'm not in there. |
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| 00:14.39 | Damm | but i think that's covered in the SDK docs tbh |
| 00:15.03 | savid | KNY, heh, busted. yeah I asked here and then realized there might be a dev chan. |
| 00:16.07 | KNY | I'm pretty sure that is in the docs. If not, isn't AnyCut OSS? |
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| 00:29.28 | snadge | is there a double adaptor that allows you to charge your g1, and have an audio output at the same time? |
| 00:31.44 | Fredbo | the wing came with one, so yes there is one |
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| 00:34.13 | bgupta_ | Hey anyone have any clue how to find out if your dev phone order went through? |
| 00:35.03 | bparker06 | check your credit card/bank statement? :P |
| 00:35.17 | bgupta_ | hmmm.. |
| 00:35.24 | bparker06 | I was already charged for mine, but haven't gotten it yet |
| 00:35.32 | Gary|tp | snadge: Search for HTC Y adapter. |
| 00:35.33 | bparker06 | and the website says I haven't ordered anything. |
| 00:35.33 | bparker06 | just that a dev phone is in my cart. |
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| 00:44.00 | snadge | ok the Y cable allows you to use headphones and still say charge at the same time.. but, what if you want to use your headset, and charge the phone at the same time.. would it not need to be a dual usb adaptor or something? does that even exist? |
| 00:44.37 | snadge | or would you use bluetooth with that.. having its own problems, like having to have a self powered headset and use more power by having bluetooth enabled |
| 00:44.56 | ttuttle | is planning to solve that problem with Bluetooth once A2DP is supported. |
| 00:46.19 | bgupta_ | lok for 3 in 1 11 pin connecter |
| 00:46.21 | bgupta_ | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Android_FAQ#Q:_Can_I_get_an_adapter_that_lets_me_listen_to_the_G1.2C_while_still_charging_it.3F |
| 00:46.21 | Damm | ttuttle, A2DP only requires the proper modules right? |
| 00:46.21 | Gary|tp | "ok the Y cable allows you to use headphones and still say charge at the same time.. but, what if you want to use your headset, and charge the phone at the same time.." |
| 00:46.23 | Gary|tp | Those are the EXACT same things, snadge... |
| 00:46.49 | Damm | or is there more lacking with the bluetooth on the G1 |
| 00:46.54 | ttuttle | Damm: Uh, it requires a bit more than that, like framework support. |
| 00:47.14 | Damm | ttuttle, oh right... but that's a start |
| 00:47.36 | ttuttle | Damm: 90% of the work is likely ironing out bugs and problems with particular uses of the API or particular headsets. |
| 00:48.20 | Damm | ttuttle, you'd think with Bluetooth being a "Standard" it would be just reading the specs and bam... but we all know the truth on that. |
| 00:48.49 | ttuttle | Damm: Heh. |
| 00:48.49 | ttuttle | Damm: Yeah. |
| 00:48.56 | ttuttle | Damm: I mena it's better to have to support quirks of a device than to have to support an *entirely* new device. |
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| 00:49.49 | bgupta_ | ttutle: You guys working on support for a BT or USB keyboards? (Thinking USB host needs to be implemented first for USB keyboards) |
| 00:49.52 | snadge | to charge and use the standard headset, you'd need 2 usb ports.. one for the charger, one for your headset.. with the 3 in 1 convertor, you could also plug the audio out into your car stereo :P |
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| 00:55.48 | SanMehat | back |
| 00:56.20 | SanMehat | Damm: you wouldn't believe the huge exception tables for bluetooth devices... per vendor.. *and* per device |
| 00:56.29 | SanMehat | isssscrazyyyyy i tell ya |
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| 00:56.43 | Damm | SanMehat, I would. |
| 00:56.58 | oinkboink | hi |
| 00:56.59 | Damm | It's why I'm debating dumping my headset and trying to find one that works better with my G1 |
| 00:57.19 | Damm | I have the 2nd revision of the Jawbone headset (BT) and the volume on it is horrid |
| 00:57.29 | Damm | sometimes it works flawlessly and other times it fails.. miserably |
| 00:57.44 | Damm | and i'm talking hangup, and dial again |
| 01:00.15 | oinkboink | i want to draw about 32 fields which are should be able to change theyre look if pressed and tell me if they where pressed...what widget i could use for that? |
| 01:01.13 | zhobbs | Google Chrome is still Windows only?!? |
| 01:01.29 | Gary|tp | why does my g1 occasionally turn the screen on |
| 01:01.33 | Gary|tp | with nothing happening |
| 01:01.38 | Gary|tp | it's kinda annoying. |
| 01:04.56 | snadge | has anyone tried the g1 car mounting kit on amazon? |
| 01:05.12 | snadge | http://www.amazon.com/Windshield-Holder-Suction-T-mobile-Smartphone/dp/B000IO60XO/ref=pd_sim_a_8 |
| 01:05.58 | snadge | or the leather case for that matter.. i've got one of those plastic ones, and they're okay.. but it conflicts with car mounting thing |
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| 01:25.13 | SanMehat | haha |
| 01:25.31 | Acidulous | Anyone know if there is going to be a progress bar or something added so that Android doesn't try to force close the messaging application when deleting a large thread? |
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| 01:26.10 | jbq | Personally, I'd prefer to see the issue really fixed (i.e. do the deletion in the background) |
| 01:27.51 | Acidulous | That would work as well |
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| 01:28.49 | jbq | (amusingly, in order to display a progress bar, you'd have to fix the real problem first, because the progress bar wouldn't animate while the app is blocked). |
| 01:28.58 | Acidulous | lol |
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| 01:31.48 | geist | jbq: what are you on palmos or something? |
| 01:32.02 | jbq | geist: well, of course :) |
| 01:32.30 | Leeds | palmos++ |
| 01:32.58 | Leeds | wonders what the chances are that Palm's announcement at CES is that they're going Android |
| 01:33.17 | geist | shuts up |
| 01:33.35 | Damm | Leeds, wouldn't that pretty much destroy all credibility of palm? |
| 01:33.47 | Damm | I realize Palm and PalmOS splitup |
| 01:34.02 | Damm | but that's like Microsoft selling Android phones and Linux servers |
| 01:34.04 | Leeds | they have credibility? |
| 01:34.15 | Damm | with some idiots yes |
| 01:34.17 | Damm | not you clearly |
| 01:34.21 | Versed | Palm is a self destructing company. |
| 01:34.29 | geist | dog, we got street cred |
| 01:34.46 | geist | turns away and cries |
| 01:34.47 | Versed | they had it, they had a great OS for its day. and ya know what, they didn't do shit with it. |
| 01:34.52 | Leeds | a Treo running Android could be a great device |
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| 01:35.38 | AttackingHobo | . |
| 01:35.49 | Leeds | Palm have been talking about their 'next-gen' Linux-based platform for *years*... Access have released both PalmOS 6 and ALP without anyone ever shipping hardware |
| 01:36.17 | snadge | i want to see a task manager for android ;) |
| 01:36.30 | Leeds | no reason why the next-gen PalmOS shouldn't be Android with a Palm layer |
| 01:36.35 | snadge | we're not even trusted to close our own programs if we want to.. i dont get it |
| 01:37.03 | snadge | i dont understand why half the programs dont even have the option to quit/exit |
| 01:38.03 | Leeds | *no* program should have the option to quit/exit, AIUI |
| 01:38.20 | taaz | the android site needs a tech note about the theory of why android does not, in general, need a program manager or file manager |
| 01:39.09 | Leeds | incidentally, Palm appear to have just posted a competition on their blog... using an xkcd cartoon! |
| 01:39.29 | geist | oh? |
| 01:39.42 | geist | whereat? |
| 01:39.50 | Leeds | http://blog.palm.com/palm/2008/12/celebrate-with-palm-in-las-vegas.html |
| 01:39.50 | geist | i didn't know we even had a blog |
| 01:40.01 | Leeds | ah, you actually are @palm? :-) |
| 01:40.13 | Damm | geist, because you don't blog on it? |
| 01:40.13 | geist | yeah |
| 01:40.20 | geist | oh i'm sure that's marketing |
| 01:41.01 | Leeds | geist: so if you're here, that means Palm is doing Android, right? |
| 01:41.34 | geist | maybe it's because i have worked pretty closely with about half the android team |
| 01:41.44 | geist | Be, danger, etc |
| 01:41.53 | geist | I have a G1 as well |
| 01:41.58 | snadge | Leeds: okay.. so if i manually start say 20 programs, none of which have the option to exit.. what happens to the phones memory? |
| 01:42.15 | Leeds | Palm was very cool up until the decision was made to bend over and get ass-raped by MS |
| 01:42.23 | geist | nods |
| 01:42.33 | snadge | the phones memory infinitely expands proportional to the amount of programs you have running? i still dont get it :P |
| 01:42.40 | geist | i've been here about a year, and i can tell you it's a *very* different company than before |
| 01:42.50 | geist | someone hit a big red Reset Button |
| 01:42.58 | Damm | honestly I remember the Treo 600 and 650 |
| 01:43.07 | Damm | PalmOS has lived forever and a day |
| 01:43.08 | Leeds | snadge: you only have a small number of apps running interactively at any one time... the others get messages from the OS telling them to save their state and shut down - or go to absolutely minimal resource usage |
| 01:43.16 | Leeds | geist: in a good way or a bad way? |
| 01:43.24 | geist | a good way, or i wouldn't be here |
| 01:43.30 | Leeds | cool |
| 01:43.41 | Damm | the problem is they need to re-find their niche, and that's hard with the way the market is now |
| 01:43.43 | snadge | Leeds: but a badly designed app coudl ignore the os telling them to save state and shut down |
| 01:43.55 | snadge | and it could even decide to increase resource usage :P |
| 01:43.56 | geist | Damm: yeah tell me about it |
| 01:43.58 | Damm | I mean you have Winmo, Android, Blackberry as your smartphones |
| 01:44.06 | Leeds | snadge: sooner or later it'll get killed by the OS (actually the Android runtime stuff) |
| 01:44.16 | Leeds | it's a managed system |
| 01:44.25 | Damm | to bring back PalmOS you'd need to give it something that none of them offer |
| 01:44.30 | snadge | right but in the meantime.. i can log in with adb, and kill the process manually ;) |
| 01:44.33 | Damm | and opening up PalmOS's source wouldn't help |
| 01:44.58 | Damm | some of the things Palm has done over the years are just /palm |
| 01:45.01 | Damm | so sad |
| 01:45.10 | Damm | remember the PDA with a Hard Drive? |
| 01:45.11 | Versed | it is sad. |
| 01:45.18 | geist | you dont have to tell me that. the place is litered with dumb stuff |
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| 01:45.30 | Leeds | geist: well, for what it's worth... I got an SE phone to replace my 680 when it died earlier this year... I replaced that with a G1 about a month ago, even though I'm still paying for the SE one... if there's a real Palm Linux phone coming, I've got the money right here, even if it's my third phone in a year |
| 01:45.33 | geist | all us new folks have a pretty cynical attitude about it |
| 01:45.48 | Leeds | particularly if it's a Palm Android phone ;-) |
| 01:45.59 | geist | most of mgmt and upper engineer is ex-Apple. me included |
| 01:46.24 | Leeds | geist: I thought a lot of the engineers at Palm were ex-Apple from day one? |
| 01:46.40 | geist | what, like 10 years ago? irrelevant |
| 01:46.55 | geist | i mean recent ex-apple |
| 01:47.00 | geist | post iphone |
| 01:47.03 | snadge | actually i cant figure out the process name |
| 01:47.16 | Leeds | irrelevant maybe, but not uninteresting... there's always been a relationship |
| 01:47.35 | geist | there's a similar relationship with a lot of stuff out here in the bay |
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| 01:47.42 | geist | lots of android folks are ex apple too |
| 01:47.49 | Versed | weren't they part of US Robotics and 3Comm? |
| 01:47.51 | geist | essentially everyone has worked at apple at least once around here |
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| 01:47.56 | jbq | hasn't |
| 01:47.59 | jbq | :) |
| 01:48.13 | Leeds | which is one of the reasons why MS being out of the valley is important |
| 01:48.34 | Leeds | I only worked for two bay area companies - neither were Apple (or Palm) :-) |
| 01:48.54 | geist | lots of Danger was ex-apple too |
| 01:49.02 | geist | and half of them are at android now |
| 01:49.07 | geist | mixing in with the ex Be folks |
| 01:49.14 | geist | which was very tied to apple, of course |
| 01:49.19 | Versed | they couldn't stomach being part of MSFT? |
| 01:49.37 | geist | not sure too many folks have bailed since MSFT |
| 01:49.55 | geist | well, they have, but not sure many of them are at android |
| 01:50.11 | geist | since that was all 2nd or 3rd gen dangerites by that point |
| 01:51.31 | bgupta_ | Versed: Remember that one of the cofounders of Anroid Inc. was the cofounder of Danger.. (Andy Rubin). |
| 01:51.35 | Damm | working for microsoft isn't all that. |
| 01:51.44 | geist | i'd hate it for sure |
| 01:51.45 | Damm | and interviewing with microsoft is *yawn* |
| 01:51.50 | Damm | <-- Seattle |
| 01:52.05 | Damm | It's rough finding non Windows jobs up here depending on the market |
| 01:52.05 | geist | that'd be the only reason i'd work there, if i wanted to live in seattle real badly |
| 01:52.06 | Versed | Damn all kidding aside, I heard they are good to work for |
| 01:52.20 | jasta | Damm: pssh, that's not true. |
| 01:52.26 | geist | trouble is they sound like they're big company in all the ways i hate big company |
| 01:52.31 | jasta | Damm: Amazon, for starters |
| 01:52.41 | geist | i cant stand process, layers of management |
| 01:52.48 | Damm | geist, there's more then Microsoft up here, lots of small companies who think big... and a few big ones |
| 01:52.55 | geist | that's why i'm not at apple anymore |
| 01:52.56 | Damm | jasta, I can't stand Amazon... |
| 01:52.58 | geist | and palm is already pushing it |
| 01:53.10 | jasta | T-Mobile's headquarters is here too |
| 01:53.12 | solca | how can one change de dafault system wallpaper in the Android source code ? |
| 01:53.13 | geist | gimme a 20 person company any day |
| 01:53.14 | Damm | jasta, yep |
| 01:53.20 | Damm | if you want to work for T-Mobile |
| 01:53.26 | Damm | geist, i'm at a 20 person company |
| 01:53.32 | jasta | a bunch of my friends work for a company called Isilon doing Samba and FreeBSD hacking |
| 01:53.37 | Damm | pay is dotcom era |
| 01:53.38 | jasta | Damm: why wouldn't you? |
| 01:53.40 | geist | pines for the days at Be |
| 01:53.46 | geist | that was some fun stuff |
| 01:53.54 | jbq | it was, yeah. |
| 01:53.56 | Damm | it's nice to see 80k as a sysadmin |
| 01:53.57 | Versed | jasta you're in Bonn? |
| 01:54.05 | jbq | (or maybe we were just younger) |
| 01:54.05 | jasta | where? |
| 01:54.06 | Damm | usually you don't see that until sr. sysadmin |
| 01:54.11 | Nafai | I had a friend that used to work at Isilon |
| 01:54.18 | Versed | TMO's hq |
| 01:54.20 | jasta | really? who, i bet i know him if it was recent |
| 01:54.35 | jasta | Versed: bonn? tmobiles in bellevue, wa. |
| 01:54.44 | snadge | i wonder why i cant get mms messaging to work with my g1 :P |
| 01:55.21 | Damm | snadge, the fact that T-Mobile is using a special MMSC for the G1 should speak for itself. |
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| 01:55.55 | snadge | Damm: I have apparently added the mms settings for my provider, to the apn settings in my phone.. and deleted all t-mobile apns.. should this matter? |
| 01:56.04 | Damm | jasta, people call T-mobile's HQ lots of weird things... I don't know why. |
| 01:56.15 | Damm | snadge, no idea, don't have an unlocked G1 |
| 01:56.23 | geist | so anyone with a dev phone able to use the AIM messaging on non tmo networks? |
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| 01:56.31 | Damm | I haven't the foggiest on how the APN menu actually works on the G1. |
| 01:56.40 | jasta | Damm: like? |
| 01:56.46 | Damm | geist, well the AIM on the G1 uses SMS right afaik |
| 01:57.07 | Damm | jasta, Bonn, and someone called it something really awkward that I don't recall the name of. |
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| 01:57.12 | geist | not as far as i know |
| 01:57.13 | Damm | earlier |
| 01:57.23 | geist | i think it just wants to talk to some server run by tmo |
| 01:57.26 | snadge | i had to flash my tmo g1, that i got from Manhattan NY.. with the UK TC5-RC8 from from JF.. because my provider (Optus Australia) were billing me 35 cents every minute or so, because of the MyFaves sms problem |
| 01:57.29 | Damm | geist, afaik it is... using something village |
| 01:57.33 | Damm | as their provider for MSN and Yahoo |
| 01:57.37 | geist | good lord, what a piece of crap |
| 01:57.41 | Damm | my memory is failing |
| 01:57.50 | geist | either way, it dont work on non tmo networks |
| 01:57.55 | Damm | nope |
| 01:57.57 | Acidulous | geist: if it works like all their other phones, it uses text messages, thats how they offer plans with aim but no data access |
| 01:58.00 | geist | that's the #1 fail for me on android |
| 01:58.10 | geist | well, except for the sidekicks |
| 01:58.12 | Damm | it's nto android |
| 01:58.14 | geist | where we did AIM for reals |
| 01:58.15 | Damm | it's t-mobile |
| 01:58.17 | Damm | it's G1. |
| 01:58.23 | geist | yeah, it's android not having the balls to stand up to tmo |
| 01:58.26 | geist | or HTC, someone |
| 01:58.33 | Damm | nah it's just like any other phone |
| 01:58.44 | Damm | T-Mobile does what they want, removes what they want. |
| 01:58.56 | snadge | ok so let me get this straight.. MMS on non t-mobile networks, on the G1.. simply will not work? |
| 01:59.00 | Damm | it's not profitable for HTC to sell an Unlocked phone and let you do whatever. |
| 01:59.01 | Fredbo | ummmm but google is selling an unlocked phone |
| 01:59.03 | Fredbo | to developers |
| 01:59.05 | geist | right |
| 01:59.16 | geist | you have to stand up to them and draw the line sometimes |
| 01:59.18 | Damm | Fredbo, right, but they are not expecting to sell 1.6million + |
| 01:59.20 | geist | it's give and take |
| 01:59.36 | geist | you should have seen the crap they tried to cram down our throats at danger |
| 01:59.39 | Damm | unlike the G1 they are trying to shove down everyones throats at a T-Mobile store. |
| 01:59.42 | Versed | snadge, I can't send an mms from my g1 to my bold, or any other phone, but can the the other way |
| 01:59.46 | geist | and we came up with a pretty good compromise |
| 01:59.52 | geist | and at least had a great AIM experience |
| 01:59.53 | Versed | I called tmo, they said its a problem with att. |
| 02:00.02 | Versed | well, doubt it. |
| 02:00.07 | Damm | snadge, if it makes you feel better MMS on the G1 doesn't work very well. |
| 02:00.16 | Damm | I've only gotten it to work once out of 8x |
| 02:00.22 | Damm | and the receiver was a G1. |
| 02:00.27 | geist | it isn't ATT, it's that you can't auth with their wireless village from non tmo network |
| 02:00.28 | Fredbo | thats the way of the mobile phone business... in order to get sales volume, they have it tied to a contract with a carrier, in which case it will be locked to that carrier |
| 02:00.34 | geist | presumably because they configured it that way |
| 02:00.45 | Versed | geist, its odd. |
| 02:00.55 | Damm | geist, well wirelessvillage is in the same situation... they are a provider |
| 02:00.59 | Damm | they bend over for T-Mobile |
| 02:01.05 | geist | yeah |
| 02:01.41 | Damm | It's safe to say that Americans lost their way along time ago |
| 02:01.48 | Damm | atleast IMO |
| 02:01.53 | geist | well hey now |
| 02:01.58 | geist | that's a pretty big leap there man |
| 02:02.03 | Damm | tiz why I refuse to buy Bluray |
| 02:02.09 | Damm | geist, not really... |
| 02:02.33 | geist | at least we appreciate a real keyboard, not that T9 crap |
| 02:02.34 | Damm | geist, if you advertise it long enough on tv... and tell people rebooting 80x a day is normal... they will eventually believe it is normal |
| 02:02.38 | Damm | until someone changes their mind |
| 02:02.39 | swetland | of course even though the included aim client is using that wireless village junk (yuck), nothing prevents third parties from making a better (proxied, please!) IM client |
| 02:03.00 | Damm | swetland, I thought it was SMS + wireless village |
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| 02:03.01 | geist | yeah, surprised no one has done it yet |
| 02:03.08 | swetland | sms is not used as a transport |
| 02:03.12 | geist | i guess cause it works well enough for the vast majority of users on tmo's network |
| 02:03.18 | Damm | wow then wireless village sucks |
| 02:03.30 | geist | yeah, it's just running through their network for the hey of it |
| 02:03.33 | Damm | i think I got AIM to work on wifi once. |
| 02:03.42 | Damm | but it barely worked |
| 02:03.44 | geist | yeah, acutally forgot to mention that. it works over wifi |
| 02:03.48 | swetland | I don't know the details of the tmo/wirelessvillage relationship, but I do know that sms is not involved |
| 02:03.49 | Damm | needless to say AIM doesn't work well |
| 02:04.03 | geist | of course gtalk works. why would you use anything else? |
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| 02:04.13 | Damm | geist, I use Maverick for Google talk |
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| 02:04.22 | swetland | geist: I'd like a hiptop-quality aim client to talk with people who use aim |
| 02:04.23 | geist | the G1 has finally dragged me kicking and screaming into using gmail, may as well switch me to gtalk |
| 02:04.26 | Damm | much cleaner. |
| 02:04.31 | Damm | atleast imo |
| 02:05.06 | swetland | is it proxied at all? the google client does a reasonable job of smoothing out burps in the device data connectivity instead of having you logout/login constantly |
| 02:05.22 | swetland | though maybe depending on your coverage, that's less of an issue |
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| 02:05.45 | geist | yeah, that's the key. you really need something to smooth it out |
| 02:05.45 | swetland | on hiptop it was always a pretty huge advantage that the aim client was proxied so it could ride out short (couple minutes or so) data disconnects |
| 02:06.23 | snadge | what does the MNC and MCC values mean in the APN setup page? |
| 02:06.51 | swetland | those are the numbers that identify the network |
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| 02:07.09 | Fredbo | oh, has anyone else noticed a bug with the gtalk client, where sometimes if you get several messages in a row, they will notify at the top, then when you open the client only the last one shows up |
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| 02:07.15 | swetland | I don't know what the acronyms are for offhand (gsm technobabble of some sort) |
| 02:07.30 | snadge | are they necessary? im trying my best to get mms working.. it _should_ work, i can find people talking about getting it working with other providers.. but no real useful information |
| 02:07.51 | Acidulous | snadge: what provider are you trying to get it working on? |
| 02:08.19 | snadge | Optus Australia, prepaid.. i have the settings from them in a pdf file, that are specific to HTC Dream.. but its still an "unsupported phone" |
| 02:09.25 | snadge | i sent a test mms to myself.. it hasnt arrived, just disappeared |
| 02:10.29 | bpadalino | into the aether |
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| 02:11.16 | snadge | now i know why the iphone didnt bother with mms support, its obviously too much effort for something which is crap anyway |
| 02:11.43 | Acidulous | from what I can tell: MMSC = http://mmsc.optus.com.au:8002, MMS proxy = 61.88.190.10 MMS port = 8070 |
| 02:11.51 | Acidulous | that's all I can find for MMS on that network |
| 02:12.06 | snadge | yeah.. i put those settings in.. epic fail :P |
| 02:12.22 | Acidulous | You have WiFi on? |
| 02:12.36 | snadge | no.. just 3g access at the moment |
| 02:12.40 | Acidulous | hmm |
| 02:12.42 | snadge | internet works fine, thank god ;) |
| 02:13.06 | snadge | should i be able to ping the mms proxy, or even connect to mmsc.optus.com.au port 8002? because i cant.. |
| 02:13.20 | snadge | maybe optus have just switched it off ;) |
| 02:14.54 | Acidulous | do you have the MCC and MCN specified? |
| 02:15.09 | snadge | they're auto detected.. i looked them up on the net |
| 02:15.24 | snadge | 505 02 for optus australia, which is what its set to |
| 02:15.27 | Leeds | MNC and MCC are nothing to do with MMS, AFAIK |
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| 02:15.56 | snadge | i have my internet and mms apns as seperate definitions.. it looks as though you can combine them into one APN, although im not sure if this is recommended/supported |
| 02:16.03 | Leeds | aren't they the GSM network identifiers - one giving country, one giving network? |
| 02:16.19 | snadge | i deleted all the other t-mobile ones |
| 02:17.36 | Leeds | good idea |
| 02:18.53 | KNY | is there a way to make the phone auto-roam on voice (but not on data)? |
| 02:19.25 | KNY | when I visit the girlfriend's family I have to keep manually switching to AT&T because they're far out in the boonies |
| 02:19.27 | KNY | and it's really annoying |
| 02:21.07 | snadge | i just wish there was more enthusiasm for the g1.. it seems to be limited to hacker linux nerd types |
| 02:21.27 | jasta | i havent found that at all |
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| 02:21.42 | KNY | yeah, what rock do you live under, snadge? |
| 02:21.44 | jasta | i know quite a few surprising people who eneded up buying them |
| 02:21.56 | snadge | i saw a kid with a g1 at disneyworld.. i nearly fell over.. hes like, yeah, i got the g1 |
| 02:22.02 | snadge | internally im thinking.. why |
| 02:22.08 | KNY | I don't know anyone that's actually bought one because I don't know anyone on t-mobile, but people are psyched on mine |
| 02:22.30 | snadge | apparently this kid just buys a new phone whenever one is available |
| 02:22.31 | Acidulous | Same here... I know quite a few people who you could go as far as saying they shouldn't be trusted with a computer who bought the G1 |
| 02:23.20 | Versed | KNY I was talking to the chick who runs the local corp tmo store, she said outside of initial sales, their biggest seller of higher end phones are blackberry and the new behold. |
| 02:23.23 | snadge | i went to great lengths and sacrifice to get mine.. because im a huge linux fan, im a linux sysadmin for a living.. and it excited me that this is the first real consumer oriented phone that runs linuxxx |
| 02:23.44 | Versed | the behold is nice for a semi-smartphone. |
| 02:23.45 | KNY | snadge, should have gotten the ADP1 |
| 02:24.00 | Acidulous | I don't know how the behold did so well... from what I've heard its actually a really horrible phone |
| 02:24.20 | snadge | if i knew about the ADP1 at the time i bought my unlocked g1 .. i would have waited for sure |
| 02:24.40 | snadge | as it is, im having to use dodgey recovery image and flash the UK rom.. just so i dont get violated by international sms charges |
| 02:24.50 | Versed | could be just her store too. |
| 02:25.18 | KNY | Acidulous, since when has that stopped a phone from being popular? |
| 02:25.21 | KNY | look at the Razr |
| 02:25.25 | snadge | for which im told.. "thats what you get for using the wrong phone in the wrong country on the wrong provider" .. im sorry, i didnt know that phones were vendor and country locked |
| 02:25.35 | Acidulous | very good point |
| 02:25.38 | Versed | I don't think the behold is bad. |
| 02:25.53 | Versed | its aimed at a different user, thats all. |
| 02:26.10 | Acidulous | I can't say myself how the behold is, i've never touched it myself, that's just what I've heard about it |
| 02:26.22 | snadge | i have a siemens SK65, which i used all around the world.. australia, UK, and USA.. absolutely no problems |
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| 02:44.13 | Disconnect | btw hackbod gets all the win points for the week for "I want a pony." |
| 02:46.07 | KNY | man I hate when people call when I'm in the middle of stepping through something in the debugger |
| 02:51.10 | KNY | can't they see I'm busy? |
| 02:51.10 | Disconnect | lol |
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| 03:35.28 | wastrel | but since that's not on the card it's going to eat your RAM |
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